**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 13 02:59:58 2011
Jan 13 05:04:22 <mugen-> ssssshhhhhhhhhh
Jan 13 05:06:48 <CTLAdvance> you shhhhh
Jan 13 05:07:03 <mugen-> :p
Jan 13 05:07:13 <mugen-> what's everyone doing?
Jan 13 05:08:04 <CTLAdvance> developing for othwer platforms?
Jan 13 05:08:32 <CTLAdvance> joking of course
Jan 13 05:08:44 <mugen-> i kinda figured that's what was actually happening
Jan 13 05:20:19 <mattsmcnulty> there are other platforms?
Jan 13 05:21:06 <bpadalino> haven't you heard? symbian is quite the rival
Jan 13 05:21:59 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, that's who we mainly target
Jan 13 05:22:24 <mattsmcnulty> who's coming to barcelona?
Jan 13 05:22:30 <bpadalino> lumberjacks and webos mix very well
Jan 13 05:22:41 <bpadalino> no spain for me .. though i hear there's lot of olive trees there
Jan 13 05:22:56 <mattsmcnulty> it'll be fun!
Jan 13 05:23:08 <mattsmcnulty> only days after 2/9 too
Jan 13 05:23:16 <bpadalino> it will be i am sure there will be a lot of buzz around the hp/palm booth
Jan 13 05:23:35 <bpadalino> are you excited for barcelona ?
Jan 13 05:23:53 <mattsmcnulty> mostly, though I have to speak, and that means tons of prep
Jan 13 05:24:13 <bpadalino> speak in an english accent for giggles
Jan 13 05:24:18 <bpadalino> and to confuse your critics
Jan 13 05:24:25 <mattsmcnulty> I don't have critics!
Jan 13 05:24:47 <SineOt> I'll be your critic!
Jan 13 05:25:39 <mattsmcnulty> well I said "um" way too much in NYC, but that was because tech difficulties ate my notes and it took a few min for me to get back on my feet
Jan 13 05:26:15 <bpadalino> yeah, i agree .. "um" is terrible to say over and over again .. put your hands in the "power triangle" position as often as you can as well
Jan 13 05:26:25 <SineOt> mix it up, say "like" and "sort of" and "you know" instead!
Jan 13 05:26:29 <mattsmcnulty> ha.,what's that, dare I ask
Jan 13 05:26:44 <mattsmcnulty> sineot: but that would be sooo california
Jan 13 05:27:18 <SineOt> all I can think of when I hear "power triangle" is a three point stance like you were about to shoot someone
Jan 13 05:27:24 <SineOt> shoot someone... with information. pew pew
Jan 13 05:27:46 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: you put your hands together with the tingertips all touching especially the thumbs .. try to make it look like a triangle/pyramid type of thing .. like you're an evil billionaire about to sink an entire civilization
Jan 13 05:27:57 <mattsmcnulty> ahh
Jan 13 05:28:42 <mugen-> lol
Jan 13 05:29:03 <mugen-> tingertips
Jan 13 05:29:10 <mugen-> gogo gadget typo
Jan 13 05:29:13 <bpadalino> :(
Jan 13 05:29:15 <mugen-> :D
Jan 13 05:29:20 <SineOt> I think better than the "power triangle" would be the "power evil cat pet"
Jan 13 05:29:26 <mattsmcnulty> anyone been to barcelona before?
Jan 13 05:29:28 <mugen-> oh xkcd... gogo gadget lesbians
Jan 13 05:29:31 <bpadalino> why must you make tun of my tingertips
Jan 13 05:29:35 <mugen-> lol
Jan 13 05:29:44 * mugen- shrugs
Jan 13 05:29:48 <mugen-> sorry...
Jan 13 05:29:50 <mugen-> :(
Jan 13 05:30:00 <SineOt> hey mugen-, you know what makes xkcd better? goatkcd
Jan 13 05:30:09 * mugen- looks
Jan 13 05:30:10 <SineOt> (don't google that unless you really want to know)
Jan 13 05:30:18 * mugen- not looks
Jan 13 05:30:29 * mugen- is still curious damnit
Jan 13 05:30:59 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: well - either way .. enjoy spain .. should hopefully be fun in feb ..
Jan 13 05:31:15 <mattsmcnulty> yeah, not as much fun as summer though
Jan 13 05:31:24 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: are you just giving a talk, or are you doing product demos as well ?
Jan 13 05:31:50 <mattsmcnulty> we have that developer day at app world thing
Jan 13 05:32:08 <mattsmcnulty> I may or may not be talking or demoing newly announced things
Jan 13 05:32:32 <SineOt> may you or may you not be talking about enyo being open to the EAP folks? :p
Jan 13 05:32:38 <bpadalino> depends on how good the wine is ?
Jan 13 05:33:00 <SineOt> man if you're in spain they've got some awesome wines
Jan 13 05:33:02 <mattsmcnulty> sineot: perhaps.
Jan 13 05:33:24 <mattsmcnulty> I love me some txakolina white wines. mmmm basques
Jan 13 05:33:31 <bpadalino> they sure like some spicy wines
Jan 13 05:34:30 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: is work fulfilling for you ?
Jan 13 05:34:45 <SineOt> bpadalino: "depends on how good the wine is" lol
Jan 13 05:34:47 <mattsmcnulty> of course, otherwise I would not be here
Jan 13 05:35:50 <bpadalino> did you think this is where you would be in your career 5 years ago ?
Jan 13 05:35:56 <mattsmcnulty> lord no
Jan 13 05:36:09 <mattsmcnulty> I watched CES with everyone else two years ago, from the outside
Jan 13 05:36:16 <bpadalino> you expected more millions ?
Jan 13 05:36:19 <bpadalino> oh, i see
Jan 13 05:36:22 <mattsmcnulty> ha
Jan 13 05:36:33 <bpadalino> :)
Jan 13 05:36:36 <mattsmcnulty> no, just the palm opp and ares and whatnot kind of came out of left field
Jan 13 05:36:49 <mattsmcnulty> I was a startup guy almost exclusively
Jan 13 05:37:18 <mugen-> is it sexist that i think only hot girls should cosplay... and even then, only cosplay slutty characters?
Jan 13 05:37:19 <mugen-> :(
Jan 13 05:37:35 <SineOt> if you have to ask: yes
Jan 13 05:37:38 <SineOt> (the answer is yes)
Jan 13 05:37:40 <mattsmcnulty> wtf is cosplay
Jan 13 05:37:49 <mugen-> lol
Jan 13 05:37:51 <bpadalino> furries
Jan 13 05:37:56 <mattsmcnulty> ha
Jan 13 05:38:41 <SineOt> no man furries are a whole 'nother level of cosplay :I
Jan 13 05:39:03 <mugen-> yeah... that's just creepy
Jan 13 05:39:27 <mattsmcnulty> yes, furries are creepy. but women dressed up as fantasy characters are aok?
Jan 13 05:39:39 <mugen-> uh huh
Jan 13 05:39:41 <mugen-> mmmm tifa
Jan 13 05:39:45 <SineOt> although Man Faye probably counts as an entire level of cosplay by himself
Jan 13 05:40:01 <mattsmcnulty> of course the whole girls thing was never really my thing, so you lost me early on
Jan 13 05:40:06 <mugen-> i would totally ask my woman to dress up in a tifa outfit... if i thought i could get away with it :P
Jan 13 05:40:07 <mattsmcnulty> :-o
Jan 13 05:41:19 * SineOt makes mugen- google "Man Faye cosplay"
Jan 13 05:41:31 <mugen-> ugh... i was already there dude.
Jan 13 05:41:35 <mugen-> i wish i hadn't been
Jan 13 05:42:20 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: what was the most enticing part of the palm opportunity for you ?
Jan 13 05:42:51 <mattsmcnulty> bpadalino: originally, being able to work on tools without having to figure out how to make a business model out of it
Jan 13 05:42:57 <mattsmcnulty> obviously now I do a lot more than tools
Jan 13 05:43:24 <SineOt> heh, does that mean you actually figure out how to make a business model out of it now? :[
Jan 13 05:43:37 <mattsmcnulty> oh god no. eclipse killed that for everyone
Jan 13 05:43:45 <mattsmcnulty> you guys see their orion announcement, btw?
Jan 13 05:43:46 <bpadalino> so doing it because it's interesting and you have a vision ..
Jan 13 05:43:51 <mattsmcnulty> yes
Jan 13 05:43:58 <bpadalino> that does sound fun
Jan 13 05:44:01 <bpadalino> orion link ?
Jan 13 05:44:19 <mattsmcnulty> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2011/01/11/introducing-orion/
Jan 13 05:44:26 <bpadalino> thanks
Jan 13 05:44:43 <bpadalino> ah, browser based ide .. sounds familia
Jan 13 05:44:43 <bpadalino> r
Jan 13 05:44:45 <mattsmcnulty> I met with mike about orion monday. we've been talking since I announced Ares over a year ago
Jan 13 05:45:12 <mattsmcnulty> great guy - definitely understands the future of tools and almost single-handedly is moving eclipse in that direction
Jan 13 05:45:46 <SineOt> if it means that Eclipse won't do dumb stuff on OSX any more, then all the better!
Jan 13 05:45:49 <mattsmcnulty> right now basically all they have is a text editor. sort of an alternative to skywriter/bespin
Jan 13 05:46:12 <mattsmcnulty> without the server piece, though moz seems disinterested in that part anyway
Jan 13 05:46:13 <bpadalino> itseems skywriter/bespin has been turned into cloud9ide and ACE
Jan 13 05:46:15 <SineOt> nothing breaks your workflow more than a modal dialog that puts itself behind every other window and steals focus so you can't actually get to it
Jan 13 05:46:23 <mattsmcnulty> nope, cloud9 is different
Jan 13 05:46:26 <bpadalino> really ?
Jan 13 05:46:26 <mattsmcnulty> met with those guys last month
Jan 13 05:46:36 <mattsmcnulty> great group of guys
Jan 13 05:46:51 <mattsmcnulty> see - this is one of the fun things about my job. everyone wants to meet
Jan 13 05:47:21 <bpadalino> meeting sounds good ..
Jan 13 05:48:08 <bpadalino> i liked the idea of browser based editing .. i think the reason being that the browser has a very well defined set of ways to handle UI .. so the UI part comes without you having to redo a lot of the basics ..
Jan 13 05:48:31 <mattsmcnulty> well bespin decided to remake the wheel
Jan 13 05:48:35 <SineOt> what I liked the most about using Ares was that you could pretty much use it anywhere without much issue
Jan 13 05:48:42 <bpadalino> using canvas? yeah
Jan 13 05:48:46 <mattsmcnulty> ben and dion, though I love em, were bizarre on that front
Jan 13 05:48:58 <mattsmcnulty> sineot: just wait until enyo-enabled ares
Jan 13 05:49:10 <bpadalino> was it something to do with monospaced fonts ?
Jan 13 05:49:21 <SineOt> mattsmcnulty: will I be able to code on my phone? haha
Jan 13 05:49:40 <mattsmcnulty> drag and drop is hard on touch interfaces
Jan 13 05:50:04 <bpadalino> i can't wait for easier in-browser "emulation" .. i believe enyo will bring that as well ?
Jan 13 05:50:11 <bpadalino> "just run it in chrome" type of thing ?
Jan 13 05:50:26 <mattsmcnulty> sure, though once you need services and things it becomes trickier
Jan 13 05:50:30 <mattsmcnulty> we have mock services and such
Jan 13 05:50:35 <bpadalino> sure
Jan 13 05:50:37 <SineOt> just make it a gesture, two finger tap to drag/drop
Jan 13 05:50:50 <mattsmcnulty> heh
Jan 13 05:51:18 <SineOt> I mean hey if a Macbook track pad can do 11 finger gestures...
Jan 13 05:51:29 <mattsmcnulty> heh
Jan 13 05:51:29 <bpadalino> the pre can handle 11 fingers too!
Jan 13 05:51:36 <mattsmcnulty> pretty sure the pre can not
Jan 13 05:51:44 <SineOt> 'course by that point you're left trying to figure out where the 11th finger comes from
Jan 13 05:51:50 <bpadalino> it can
Jan 13 05:51:59 <mattsmcnulty> I mean there is nothing preventing it, but you'd need tiny fingers and the touchpanel needs to be able to discriminate
Jan 13 05:52:00 <bpadalino> ask your hardware guys or bust out the hardware test
Jan 13 05:52:11 <mattsmcnulty> oh, I am involved in the hardware side too
Jan 13 05:52:23 <bpadalino> oh, then you should know it can distinguish 11 points!
Jan 13 05:52:29 <mattsmcnulty> sure, but not really
Jan 13 05:52:37 <mattsmcnulty> if you have fingers where 11 could fit
Jan 13 05:52:56 <bpadalino> it was difficult trying to do the test alone, i'll tell you that
Jan 13 05:53:04 <SineOt> honestly any gesture with more than four fingers is just stupid and pointless
Jan 13 05:53:27 <bpadalino> we call a 6 finger gesture the "west virginian"
Jan 13 05:54:11 <mattsmcnulty> obviously the number of discrete fingers being sensed close together becomes more important if one were to imagine a virtual keyboard situation
Jan 13 05:54:49 <bpadalino> of which, i like the vkb on my pre2 - it works out pretty decently
Jan 13 05:54:59 <mattsmcnulty> some internals one?
Jan 13 05:55:11 <bpadalino> no, modified lunaconf
Jan 13 05:55:15 <SineOt> no, the "forgot to take it out of the shipping ROM" one
Jan 13 05:55:17 <mattsmcnulty> oh that thing
Jan 13 05:55:26 <bpadalino> yeah - it works pretty OK
Jan 13 05:55:47 <bpadalino> the slow swipe up to expose it is decent too
Jan 13 05:56:00 <mattsmcnulty> that's just the mustache gesture
Jan 13 05:56:06 <SineOt> yeah, but the wave > vkb
Jan 13 05:56:13 <SineOt> love me some wave
Jan 13 05:56:14 <bpadalino> i never cared for the wave
Jan 13 05:56:15 <mattsmcnulty> do you ever use the wave?
Jan 13 05:56:22 <SineOt> all the time
Jan 13 05:56:24 <mattsmcnulty> I mostly forget it exists
Jan 13 05:56:30 <bpadalino> i never even pushed the middle button on my pre
Jan 13 05:56:44 <SineOt> I pretty much do all of my app launching from the wave
Jan 13 05:56:51 <bpadalino> i sped up my HID animations too - i thought the blinkin lights were too slow when i did the back gestures
Jan 13 05:57:07 <mattsmcnulty> the timings are somewhat fun
Jan 13 05:57:25 <SineOt> it's like if you're going to have to tap the center button to get out of a maximized card and then tap a launch bar icon... why not just save the time and sweep upwards
Jan 13 05:57:34 <bpadalino> do you do market research to figure out what "feels right" - or just what you engineers enjoy ?
Jan 13 05:57:58 <SineOt> and have all the buttons magically float under your thumb
Jan 13 05:58:16 <mattsmcnulty> user research is a big part of everything
Jan 13 05:58:20 <halfhalo> theres GOOOOOLD in them thar hills!
Jan 13 05:59:51 <mugen-> i use the wave all the time too
Jan 13 05:59:56 <mugen-> it's awesomesauce
Jan 13 05:59:57 <bpadalino> interesting
Jan 13 06:00:12 <mugen-> so much better than having to go home all the time
Jan 13 06:00:41 <mugen-> and i'm not sure how much i'm going to like the slow swipe up for vkb... that just seems like something that's going to go wrong
Jan 13 06:00:55 <mugen-> people will get  with how slow "slow" is
Jan 13 06:00:55 <bpadalino> it seems to work out fine for me (so far)
Jan 13 06:01:06 <mugen-> frustrated was supposed to be in there
Jan 13 06:01:17 <mattsmcnulty> calling up a vkb manually seems hackish
Jan 13 06:01:21 * halfhalo goes insane
Jan 13 06:01:37 * mugen- gives halfhalo some antipsychotics
Jan 13 06:01:50 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: well, there is an ambiguity when you  have a physical keyboard ..
Jan 13 06:01:58 <mattsmcnulty> sure
Jan 13 06:02:01 <mugen-> yea
Jan 13 06:13:38 <mattsmcnulty> ok, bed time. night fellas
Jan 13 06:13:59 <SineOt> night
Jan 13 11:00:07 <hotdp> Anyone who knows Sencha Touch?
Jan 13 12:08:57 <hotdp> anyone know jsonp?
Jan 13 12:10:31 <fahhem> its just json in a callback, no?
Jan 13 12:12:44 <hotdp> maybe
Jan 13 12:12:48 <hotdp> i don't understand
Jan 13 12:12:58 <hotdp> i would like to know why to use it
Jan 13 12:13:57 <fahhem> basically, if some ajax call to /ajax returned "{}", then the jsonp version would be to /ajax?jsonp=jsoncb1234 and it would return 'jsoncb1234("{}");'
Jan 13 12:14:21 <hotdp> aha
Jan 13 12:14:31 <fahhem> you'd have to look up reasons to use it, i read them a long time ago
Jan 13 12:14:33 <hotdp> the "problem" is that i am trying to get Secnha touch to work
Jan 13 12:14:38 <hotdp> i have a JSON feed
Jan 13 12:14:47 <hotdp> but i can only get it to work with jsonp :S
Jan 13 12:15:10 <fahhem> so you just need to provide a function to be called by that jsonp callback
Jan 13 12:15:49 <fahhem> so if you do /ajax?jsonp=jsoncb1234, then run "jsoncb1234 = function (json){ something with json};" before you run the ajax call
Jan 13 12:16:04 <hotdp> do you know Sencha? :D
Jan 13 12:16:08 <fahhem> so whatever you wanted to do with that json before, just do it within that function
Jan 13 12:16:15 <fahhem> heard of it, was gonna look it up
Jan 13 12:16:40 <fahhem> oh right, the non-WebOS-friendly PhoneGap
Jan 13 12:16:49 <fahhem> are you working with Sencha?
Jan 13 12:28:30 <hotdp> yes i am
Jan 13 12:28:40 <hotdp> And it says that json can not be used
Jan 13 12:29:01 <hotdp> "As it turns out when returning JSON across domains you need to actually return JSONP in order to get call backs working."
Jan 13 12:29:14 <hotdp> But why can i use JSON in webOS then?
Jan 13 12:29:16 <fahhem> ah, then that's why they use jsonp :)
Jan 13 12:29:52 <fahhem> in WebOS, your application has a domain as well, that com.hotdp.etc.etc portion of sources.json
Jan 13 12:30:13 <fahhem> i'm pretty sure that's what determines cross-domain in webOS
Jan 13 12:30:23 <fahhem> though i've never seen that written anywhere
Jan 13 12:30:26 <hotdp> i miss webos
Jan 13 12:30:47 <fahhem> oh, i thought you were trying to get Sencha to work on webOS
Jan 13 12:30:50 <hotdp> Now i have to find out how to make MCV make my JSON to JSONP
Jan 13 12:30:54 <hotdp> No
Jan 13 12:31:02 <hotdp> its a request IN sencha
Jan 13 12:41:48 <hotdp> dxamn jsonp
Jan 13 13:19:53 <raghuk> morning guys
Jan 13 13:20:59 <hotdp> mornings
Jan 13 13:37:33 <raghuk> hotdp: hi
Jan 13 13:38:18 <raghuk> hotdp: yesterday i went through links u gave and tried to achieve hybrid app
Jan 13 13:39:07 <raghuk> hotdp: registration of handler function is falling .. any idea ?
Jan 13 13:39:57 <hotdp> wIrc?
Jan 13 13:40:15 <raghuk> hotdp: yea
Jan 13 13:40:17 <hotdp> I think you talked to rod about it
Jan 13 13:41:11 <raghuk> hotdp: ooh
Jan 13 13:41:16 <hotdp> ;)
Jan 13 13:41:49 <raghuk> hotdp: u have any idea on hybrid app?
Jan 13 13:42:43 <hotdp> Nope have never made one
Jan 13 13:42:51 <hotdp> i would look in the source good if i should
Jan 13 13:43:07 <raghuk> hotdp: :(
Jan 13 13:43:47 <raghuk> hotdp: any resources u think .. i can look on this ?
Jan 13 13:48:06 <hotdp> what do you mean by  resources ?
Jan 13 13:48:17 <hotdp> have you seen the hyprid stuff from dev day?
Jan 13 13:51:54 <raghuk> hotdp: nope
Jan 13 13:52:06 <hotdp> do that for a start
Jan 13 13:52:57 <raghuk> hotdp: i have only read documentation on palm developer site
Jan 13 13:54:24 <raghuk> hotdp: remember now ... the video is not working
Jan 13 14:34:00 <hotdp> woot?
Jan 13 14:34:06 <hotdp> the youtube video is not working?
Jan 13 14:35:30 <RagingMind> so there are colorful touchstone covers for the pixi but not the pre?  :(
Jan 13 14:36:22 <hotdp> nope
Jan 13 14:46:30 <funkatron> the Pre is for Serious Business
Jan 13 14:47:53 <hotdp> jep :D
Jan 13 14:47:56 <hotdp> like me ;)
Jan 13 14:50:59 * Loudergood needs to get his gf a pre plus now....
Jan 13 14:52:03 <Loudergood> lent her my pre2 for the duration of her att contract (one more month) because her shitty samsung was dropping calls left and right
Jan 13 14:53:24 <funkatron> yeesh
Jan 13 14:53:29 <funkatron> what kind of samsung?
Jan 13 14:53:43 <Loudergood> some crappy feature phone
Jan 13 14:54:12 * hotdp do not like samsung
Jan 13 14:55:26 <Loudergood> ah, the propel
Jan 13 16:25:58 <maik> so 9 Feb, that's exciting eh?
Jan 13 16:38:34 <sugardave> maik: maybe
Jan 13 16:38:42 <sugardave> I'm starting to feel a little jaded
Jan 13 16:39:00 <maik> i've got a glimmer of hope in the back of my mind somewhere that hasn't quite been put out
Jan 13 16:39:16 <maik> but i agree, they need to get their shit together and wow the crap out of us
Jan 13 16:39:21 <sugardave> enyo early access would help me at this point
Jan 13 16:39:26 <maik> heh
Jan 13 16:41:19 <maik> hmm, sprint has a new Evo Shift coming which has a slider and smaller screen
Jan 13 16:57:47 <LoneStar99> what happened Feb (?
Jan 13 16:57:51 <LoneStar99> feb 9th?
Jan 13 17:05:45 <maik> LoneStar99: HP is hosting an event to announce new devices
Jan 13 17:06:23 <teemu> Sounds awesome.
Jan 13 17:06:28 <teemu> Where are they holding it?
Jan 13 17:07:14 <maik> Fort Mason Center in San Francisco
Jan 13 17:07:23 <maik> http://www.precentral.net/hp-hold-webos-event-february-9-%E2%80%9Cthink-big-think-small-think-beyond-%E2%80%9D
Jan 13 17:07:54 <maik> sugardave: are you going to add voice sampling to your music app now?
Jan 13 17:12:11 <sugardave> maik: I don't have one :P
Jan 13 17:12:19 <sugardave> I think that's dawm
Jan 13 17:12:24 <maik> wait, that.. oh
Jan 13 17:12:27 <maik> derp
Jan 13 17:12:48 <sugardave> I hope he does, though :D
Jan 13 17:12:58 * maik too
Jan 13 17:13:28 * sugardave will use GWB's famous "smoke 'em out" soundbite.
Jan 13 17:21:02 <haeffb> tibfib has a music app
Jan 13 17:21:19 <sugardave> koto?
Jan 13 17:21:27 <haeffb> hey sugardave. still all sugary and davey ?
Jan 13 17:21:29 <sugardave> I have an old beta of that somewhere
Jan 13 17:21:31 <haeffb> koto
Jan 13 17:21:36 <sugardave> so far, so good for 2011
Jan 13 17:21:45 * haeffb home with a bad cold today
Jan 13 17:22:01 <sugardave> maik: if it's not dawm it's pandora, maybe....I can't keep everything straight with everyone
Jan 13 17:22:04 <sugardave> haeffb: suck
Jan 13 17:22:24 <sugardave> I tried to quit smoking the other day...not working out too well yet
Jan 13 17:22:29 <maik> mmkay
Jan 13 17:22:48 <sugardave> no it's codeslaw
Jan 13 17:22:51 <sugardave> damn
Jan 13 17:23:15 * haeffb quit smoking about 20 years ago
Jan 13 17:23:17 <sugardave> haeffb: doing any apps?
Jan 13 17:23:37 <haeffb> nah. need to finish a bunch of updates to done, myles, & noted, but lack motivation
Jan 13 17:23:47 <sugardave> yeah, I am familiar with that
Jan 13 17:24:00 <sugardave> I have an upgrade project for a client, but I'm looking for reasons to not start
Jan 13 17:24:04 <haeffb> been working on the tcr website
Jan 13 17:24:39 <haeffb> got it moved to a new host & upgraded to latest verson of the CMS
Jan 13 17:24:51 <haeffb> http://www.tigercountryrealty.com/index.html
Jan 13 17:24:59 <sugardave> oh right, after the backup fiasco?
Jan 13 17:25:39 <sugardave> haeffb: looks good, but you are not up there
Jan 13 17:26:20 <haeffb> yeah. turns out that the backup fiasco was all my fault, but still...
Jan 13 17:26:30 <sugardave> hahaha, ooops
Jan 13 17:27:09 <sugardave> haeffb: what are you using for CMS?
Jan 13 17:27:22 <haeffb> http://open-realty.org
Jan 13 17:28:00 <sugardave> neat
Jan 13 17:28:53 <haeffb> but it's not really open anymore.
Jan 13 17:30:19 <sugardave> I started looking at Drupal 7 for a new site idea, but they don't have enough of some of the modules I like to use ported over yet
Jan 13 17:30:22 <sugardave> so, it's back to 6
Jan 13 17:31:50 <haeffb> I need to do something with http://haeffb.com now.
Jan 13 17:32:21 <haeffb> since I had been using it for testing the tcr stuff
Jan 13 17:33:03 <LoneStar99> Oh Feb 9th, I was thinking Jan 9th...
Jan 13 17:35:28 <haeffb> oops. hadn't reviewed/approved comment posts on tcs site since early december.
Jan 13 17:38:48 * haeffb thinking about posting some of my favorite recipes on haeffb.com
Jan 13 17:39:09 <sugardave> ribeyes and beer
Jan 13 17:39:13 <sugardave> can't go wrong
Jan 13 17:49:39 <halfhalo> uggg... js strikes again
Jan 13 18:01:30 * haeffb going on a #freetonymitchell retweet rampage
Jan 13 18:02:40 <teemu> ggrh. With PhoneGap, how does one detect when all has been loaded? Does mojo offer something for this?
Jan 13 18:24:14 <semprance> teemu: activate method?
Jan 13 18:33:35 <teemu> semprance: d'uh. Of course. Thank you for pointing it out.
Jan 13 18:34:17 <sugardave> teemu: there's also aboutToActivate (or readyToActivate, one of those) that is run in front of activate
Jan 13 18:37:30 <teemu> Yea I settled to aboutToActivate
Jan 13 18:49:06 <MetaView> chuqui ?
Jan 13 18:49:11 <MetaView> https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_appsubmission&view=applist doesn't work here
Jan 13 18:50:24 <semprance> infinite redirect..
Jan 13 18:50:33 <MetaView> yes
Jan 13 18:50:46 <MetaView> but I see, it's already reported inthe forum
Jan 13 18:52:18 <chuqui> MetaView: you rang?
Jan 13 18:52:43 <MetaView> No, only knocking
Jan 13 18:52:52 <chuqui> MetaView:  who's there?
Jan 13 18:53:09 <MetaView> I wanted to cry about my unableness to access the MyApps page in the dev center
Jan 13 18:55:23 <MetaView> ok, bbl, kids need some attention
Jan 13 18:56:16 <funkatron> "kids"
Jan 13 18:57:04 <funkatron> http://gim.ie/ach
Jan 13 19:19:23 * halfhalo giggles as his regex node module starts taking over the world
Jan 13 19:22:44 * haeffb finds google's captcha images unreadable.
Jan 13 19:23:35 <halfhalo> that means your a bot!
Jan 13 19:23:49 * halfhalo is mad at this bug like issue he is having with his module
Jan 13 19:23:57 <haeffb> your a bot
Jan 13 19:24:02 <halfhalo> true
Jan 13 19:27:46 <halfhalo> damn
Jan 13 19:27:51 <halfhalo> have to do it the harder way
Jan 13 19:28:14 <halfhalo> can't just go .or("blah") for this part of the regex
Jan 13 19:36:15 * halfhalo throws his hands up in the air in sucess!
Jan 13 19:36:40 <halfhalo> mah regex: regex.construct("commit <%[]commit%>").then("\\n").if("Author: <%[s]author%>\\n").or("Merge: <%[]commitone%>\\s<%[]committwo%>\\nAuthor: <%[s]author%>\\n").if("Date:\\s\\s\\s<%[s]date%>").if("\\n\\n").if("<%[n]message%>").if("\\n\\n").or("\\n").if(" <%[n]changes%>\\n$").or("").call("home").match(entry)
Jan 13 19:37:33 <MetaView> re
Jan 13 19:37:47 <MetaView> funkatron: nice idea :)
Jan 13 20:51:09 <scooter314> anyone excited for feb. 9?
Jan 13 20:53:44 <Loudergood> oh yes
Jan 13 20:55:14 <scooter314> so 2.0 coming to other devices in the spring?
Jan 13 20:55:47 <Loudergood> I certainly hope so
Jan 13 20:56:25 <Loudergood> hopefully it's not spread out over 6 months like 1.4.5 was
Jan 13 20:59:17 <rwhitby> scooter314: "in the coming months" is the last official word
Jan 13 21:00:41 <scooter314> that's what I have heard too.  wanted to see if there was any recent inside word.
Jan 13 21:03:24 <mugen-> RIM WebWorks SDK.... are you kidding me? :P
Jan 13 21:04:41 <oil> yeah, they were all "mugen will get a kick out of this, send out the press release"
Jan 13 21:05:05 <mugen-> i knew it!
Jan 13 21:06:12 <dohtem> have you seen their career url?
Jan 13 21:06:21 <dohtem> http://rim.job or something
Jan 13 21:06:52 <rwhitby> rim.jobs
Jan 13 21:06:58 <dohtem> http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/13/rim-looks-to-attract-new-talent-with-rim-jobs/
Jan 13 21:07:00 <dohtem> yeah
Jan 13 21:07:14 <oil> AWESOME
Jan 13 21:07:23 <oil> best.url.ever
Jan 13 21:09:34 <dohtem> I imagine someone has that on their business card too
Jan 13 21:09:56 <oil> even better
Jan 13 21:10:36 <Loudergood> email?
Jan 13 21:11:12 <dawm> http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/12/exclusive-apple-will-remove-home-button-on-next-ipad-and-iphone-photo-booth-and-ilife-coming/
Jan 13 21:11:14 <dawm> soo
Jan 13 21:11:23 <dawm> their just stealing out gesture area ?
Jan 13 21:12:32 * dohtem restrains his inner grammer nazi
Jan 13 21:12:41 <dawm> sorry
Jan 13 21:12:45 <dohtem> :)
Jan 13 21:12:49 <dawm> theres a straw in my way
Jan 13 21:13:00 <dawm> rather theirs a straw in my way
Jan 13 21:13:01 <dawm> :)
Jan 13 21:17:53 <oil> the fact its taken the competition this long to steal webos' great ideas
Jan 13 21:17:57 <oil> is shocking
Jan 13 21:18:26 <dohtem> they poached the talent too :(
Jan 13 21:19:17 <mugen-> yea
Jan 13 21:19:52 * oil goes back to work
Jan 13 21:21:49 <mugen-> NO OIL
Jan 13 21:21:52 <mugen-> don't do it!
Jan 13 21:21:57 <mugen-> hang out with ussssssssssss
Jan 13 21:50:56 * mugen- watches the hillbillie teen jerkoff smoke weed in street outside his house.
Jan 13 21:51:40 <mugen-> seriously, whatever happened to being discreet about that stuff...
Jan 13 21:55:31 <destinal> mugen-: do you live in southern california?
Jan 13 21:55:50 <mugen-> az
Jan 13 21:55:56 <mugen-> so cal i could understand
Jan 13 21:56:11 <mugen-> hell... i lived in canada for a while. but this is rediculous
Jan 13 21:56:29 <destinal> this is a really cool video about designing in useability in smartphone apps.  it's specifically about android but most of the content applies to any smartphone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk2oLp4X07I
Jan 13 21:56:40 <mugen-> not to mention the penalties here are as they are in NV which is super strict
Jan 13 22:15:21 <mugen-> thx for the link btw destinal
Jan 13 22:40:53 <m0ngr31> Hey guys, i'm having problems with my day 1 pre
Jan 13 22:42:24 <m0ngr31> for the last week or two it has kept going into "offline" mode. all it says is "phone offline" in the top left of the screen
Jan 13 22:42:38 <m0ngr31> anyone know what i could try before I doctor it tonight?
Jan 13 23:02:57 <destinal> m0ngr31: haven't heard of that one.  doctoring it to a new version may help, however, especially since it flashes modem firmware
Jan 13 23:04:11 <m0ngr31> destinal: yeah, i figured it was my best bet. going to take a while to transfer everything and restore it all
Jan 13 23:42:41 <dohtem> I've got a label in my view menu, is there a way to set it to always take up the maximum space available (thereby making my menu use up the whole width of the screen regardless of orientation)?
Jan 13 23:45:42 <sugardave> dohtem: that trick with putting in blank items around the one?
Jan 13 23:46:26 <dohtem> Im not aware of that
Jan 13 23:46:40 <sugardave> it's how you center things in the menu, iirc
Jan 13 23:46:51 <sugardave> and it should fill the space appropriately, I think
Jan 13 23:47:34 <dohtem> do you have a link?
Jan 13 23:47:44 <sugardave> wait is this the one at the top or the bottom?
Jan 13 23:47:49 <dohtem> top
Jan 13 23:47:52 <sugardave> I think I'm thinking of command menus
Jan 13 23:47:57 <sugardave> but might work for view, too
Jan 13 23:47:59 <dohtem> viewMenu is top, commandMenu is bootm
Jan 13 23:48:05 <sugardave> I've never actually used a view menu
Jan 13 23:48:12 <sugardave> yeah, let me see if I can find the example
Jan 13 23:48:15 <dohtem> thanks
Jan 13 23:49:30 <haeffb> you can set a width for a view menu, iirc
Jan 13 23:50:14 <dohtem> haeffb: but then it's off when I rotate.
Jan 13 23:50:31 <dohtem> and the Pre & Pixi have different screensizes
Jan 13 23:50:49 <sugardave> dohtem: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1683
Jan 13 23:50:56 <sugardave> find the View Menu section
Jan 13 23:51:09 <haeffb> dohtem: yes, but you can re-set the width when it rotates
Jan 13 23:51:21 <haeffb> you can't say "always fill up the screen"
Jan 13 23:51:32 <Tibfib> dohtem: {}, {label: .... }, {}
Jan 13 23:51:49 <haeffb> Tibfib: that centers, but doesn't make it take the full width
Jan 13 23:51:54 <sugardave> yeah, what Tibfib said, use blank objects instead of ones with icon/label/etc
Jan 13 23:52:05 <sugardave> haeffb: it doesn't?
Jan 13 23:52:06 <sugardave> :(
Jan 13 23:52:07 <Tibfib> then why would you need to center if you have it full width?
Jan 13 23:52:24 <dohtem> I have a label and an icon
Jan 13 23:52:30 <haeffb> view/command menu's only take as much width as needed to display the label/icon
Jan 13 23:52:38 <dohtem> I just need the label to max out everytime
Jan 13 23:52:38 <Tibfib> oh, that's true
Jan 13 23:52:40 <haeffb> unless you explicitly set the width
Jan 13 23:52:49 <Tibfib> forgot about that
Jan 13 23:52:58 <sugardave> set width: 100%
Jan 13 23:53:04 <Tibfib> yeah, try that
Jan 13 23:53:09 <Tibfib> or do the view menu by hand
Jan 13 23:53:10 <dohtem> it takes percentages?
Jan 13 23:53:17 <sugardave> sure!
Jan 13 23:53:22 <Tibfib> <div class='palm-header'>Blah blah blah</div>
Jan 13 23:53:29 <Tibfib> you could look up the code for the icon
Jan 13 23:54:16 <SineOt> yeah the SDK comes with all the CSS and makes it a lot easier to tear things apart
Jan 13 23:54:17 <sugardave> rwhitby: jeeze, I've been not watching the news and I just saw the Australia floods
Jan 13 23:54:18 <Tibfib> hmm, does google have a patent on "omnibox"
Jan 13 23:54:25 <Tibfib> ?
Jan 13 23:54:29 <rwhitby> sugardave: yeah, they are pretty bad
Jan 13 23:54:40 <sugardave> rwhitby: is that the area you live in?
Jan 13 23:54:41 <Tibfib> rwhitby: they near you?
Jan 13 23:54:57 <rwhitby> no, south australia is not affected (yet)
Jan 13 23:55:04 <Tibfib> that's good
Jan 13 23:55:10 <Tibfib> not the yet part
Jan 13 23:55:20 <sugardave> rwhitby: stay dry
Jan 13 23:55:40 <dohtem> and safe
Jan 13 23:57:05 <rick-home> http://vielmetti.typepad.com/vacuum/2011/01/australia-flood-map-january-10-2011.html
Jan 13 23:57:25 <rwhitby> I lived in Toowoomba when I was in primary school
Jan 13 23:58:03 <rick-home> rwhitby  is at the bottom part of the map just to the right of that big bay that cuts into the south shore.  As you can see, the flooding is in the north-east.
Jan 13 23:59:07 <rwhitby> I'm also a far bit above sea or river level at my house
Jan 13 23:59:08 <sugardave> rwhitby's position has been compromised
Jan 13 23:59:13 <rwhitby> s/far/fair/
Jan 13 23:59:14 <sugardave> way to go
Jan 13 23:59:39 <rwhitby> sugardave: heh, you've still got a 1000km radius with those directions
Jan 13 23:59:48 <rick-home> Unless I mis-read my maps, the flooding is about 1 thousand miles away from rwhitby
Jan 14 00:00:27 <rwhitby> rick-home: see the red snaking to the south-west?  the mouth of that river system is in SA
Jan 14 00:01:16 <rick-home> another flood map from google...   http://goo.gl/maps/crpQ
Jan 14 00:01:53 <rick-home> rwhitby  ahhh-- thanks for that clarification.  What river is that?
Jan 14 00:02:29 <rwhitby> Murray
Jan 14 00:02:59 <rwhitby> "The River Murray Basin of 1,057,000 square kilometres is about one-seventh of the total area of Australia and comprises three-quarters of New South Wales, over one-half of Victoria, a small portion of South Australia, and an area of Queensland greater than the total area of Victoria."
Jan 14 00:03:07 <rick-home> well, if you had to ask an American to name an Au river, that would be the only one any of us would have a chance to come up with.
Jan 14 00:03:35 <rwhitby> e.g. the river murray basin is 1.5 times larger than Texas
Jan 14 00:03:35 * haeffb would say the River Koala
Jan 14 00:03:53 <haeffb> and/or Muddy Creek
Jan 14 00:04:02 <scooter314> anyone have specific settings for govnah using uberkernel on a pixi that doesn't cause ui lag?  or do you need to mess with sched params?
Jan 14 00:04:05 <sugardave> Ayers River would have been my best guess
Jan 14 00:04:37 <rick-home> but the Murry is well east of Adelaid, and has a range of hiss between you and it....   unless, again, I can't read maps...  which has happend before.
Jan 14 00:05:00 <rwhitby> rick-home: correct
Jan 14 00:05:23 <rwhitby> rick-home: hence why I am not concerned for my own home
Jan 14 00:05:31 <rick-home> right.
Jan 14 00:05:47 <rwhitby> we were camping on the river murray over new years :)
Jan 14 00:05:53 <rick-home> and if I am seeing correctly, in SA, the Nurray has "rather a lot" of dams along it.
Jan 14 00:06:01 <rwhitby> well, by a lake right next to the murray
Jan 14 00:06:53 <rick-home> ok, zooming in, LOTS of ox-bow lakes where the river has swerved this way and that across the flat.
Jan 14 00:07:07 <rwhitby> rick-home: http://www.murrayriver.com.au/about-the-murray/locks-weirs-dams-barrages/
Jan 14 00:07:28 <bpadalino> oh neat, devs can attend the feb 9th thing .. just got an invite in the emails
Jan 14 00:08:04 <dohtem> whoa! Did anyone else get a magical email?
Jan 14 00:08:14 <dohtem> bpadalino: beat me to it
Jan 14 00:08:16 <SineOt> yes
Jan 14 00:08:31 <bpadalino> i don't like to beat people! :(
Jan 14 00:09:01 <rick-home> Good lord rwhitby  Just was looking at the "braided" river paths through the Murray River National Park.  That's river is as odd as everything ELSE about AU.  :-)  Once again, geography contributes to and effects national character.  :)
Jan 14 00:10:44 <dawm> dohtem, i just got it
Jan 14 00:10:47 <rwhitby> Re: the floods: "Three-quarters of the state of Queensland has been declared a disaster zone - an area larger than Texas and California combined."
Jan 14 00:10:54 * dohtem has abandoned his viewMenu
Jan 14 00:11:09 <dohtem> the command menu isnt so bad :)
Jan 14 00:11:42 <dawm> hrm theres a good chance i could possibly make it out there heh, id have to ask for a favor at work
Jan 14 00:12:13 <dohtem> its at 7pm too
Jan 14 00:12:23 * SineOt is definitely going to try to get out there.
Jan 14 00:12:37 <sugardave> rwhitby: yeah, the clips they were showing on the local news looked pretty bad
Jan 14 00:12:55 <dawm> i wonder how far the airport is
Jan 14 00:13:06 <dohtem> SFO?
Jan 14 00:13:12 <rick-home> dawm  which airport?
Jan 14 00:13:23 <rick-home> and SFO area mass transit works fine.
Jan 14 00:13:34 <rick-home> But I just can NOT afford to go, I wish I could.
Jan 14 00:14:17 * rwhitby starts a #SendRodToFebNineDay hashtag ...
Jan 14 00:14:29 <sugardave> we're talking about it, but I don't know if we can make it/justify it
Jan 14 00:14:42 <dawm> i could fly standby out there right after my shift is done at work and then i'd have 3 days to make it back, i'd just have to figure out all the details
Jan 14 00:14:49 <sugardave> (wife wants to go to this time)
Jan 14 00:15:00 <dawm> its 13miles from SFO
Jan 14 00:15:02 <sugardave> "UI tester"
Jan 14 00:15:18 <rick-home> flying to SF for apress conference seems somewhat beyond the pale.
Jan 14 00:15:18 <dohtem> is that your wife's unofficial title?
Jan 14 00:15:20 <rick-home> But....
Jan 14 00:15:22 <dohtem> sugardave: ^
Jan 14 00:15:29 <sugardave> dohtem: right now it is :D
Jan 14 00:15:56 <dohtem> heh
Jan 14 00:15:58 <dawm> i work at the airport ;p
Jan 14 00:16:16 <dawm> hopping a flight (if theres available room) wouldnt be too hard
Jan 14 00:16:27 <sugardave> dawm: for an airline?
Jan 14 00:16:34 <dohtem> dawm is the TSA
Jan 14 00:16:38 <dawm> i work for a company contracted by an airline
Jan 14 00:16:40 <SineOt> I'd probably just drive. My GF and I have wanted to go up there for a while now and this is a good reason to go :p
Jan 14 00:16:47 <rwhitby> I wonder if there will be freebies.  Perhaps some Pre 2's they need to get rid of ...
Jan 14 00:17:15 <dohtem> Jon Rubinstein will be there too.  Awesome.
Jan 14 00:17:18 <haeffb> Hmmm...Feb 9 event is open to developers...
Jan 14 00:17:20 * rick-home has a pre2 that no one has figured out how to make happy on sprint yet, and so it's merely a dev machine.
Jan 14 00:18:02 <haeffb> CTLAdvance has figured out how to make them work on sprint
Jan 14 00:18:06 <rick-home> has everyone recieved an invite email except me?  ???  :-(
Jan 14 00:18:07 <haeffb> or so he says
Jan 14 00:18:09 * rick-home sad
Jan 14 00:18:21 <sugardave> rick-home: I had to hit 'refresh' to get mine
Jan 14 00:18:22 * haeffb received two emails
Jan 14 00:18:29 <haeffb> one for each dev account
Jan 14 00:18:29 <rick-home> CTLAdvance  has not published a procedure that I have seen.
Jan 14 00:18:29 <rwhitby> rick-home: I haven't.
Jan 14 00:18:44 <dgathright> Here's the link in the email: https://secure1.regsvc.com/registration/?TYPE=E&ID=6&LC=&PIN=&REF=&dbGUID=9A3C79FD-7BAA-4866-BFBD-E1385AA7935C&sssdmh=dm13.267466
Jan 14 00:19:02 <dawm> wow i'd have to leave pretty early on the 9th. either arrive in SFO at 12:30 or at 7:17pm. heh
Jan 14 00:19:05 <dgathright> (for those who can't wait)
Jan 14 00:19:35 * rwhitby registers as dgathright
Jan 14 00:19:48 <dohtem> everytime I hangout with Palm, I drink beer.
Jan 14 00:19:55 <dohtem> well only once so far
Jan 14 00:20:08 <rwhitby> hey, is this the press event, or a separate event afterwards?
Jan 14 00:20:24 <rick-home> hmmmmm
Jan 14 00:20:37 <SineOt> separate event afterwards from what I can tell
Jan 14 00:20:38 <haeffb> 7pm-9:30pm
Jan 14 00:20:56 <SineOt> Press Event, then later in the day, hang out with the developers and probably show off/talk about the new stuff from the press event earlier in the day
Jan 14 00:21:05 <SineOt> is how it sounds
Jan 14 00:21:22 <rick-home> 30,000 sq feet,  120m x 25m  capacity up to 3000 people.
Jan 14 00:21:36 <haeffb> "space is limited"
Jan 14 00:21:47 <rick-home> hmmmm  weird.
Jan 14 00:21:48 <dawm> Please join Jon Rubinstein and the HP webOS Engineering and Developer Relations teams for a special presentation and developer community reception.
Jan 14 00:22:01 <rwhitby> yeah, sounds like an after-event
Jan 14 00:22:06 <dgathright> AND FREE PALMPADS!
Jan 14 00:22:14 <dgathright> ok, that was a lie
Jan 14 00:22:26 <dgathright> I'd fly up if there were palmPads to be had
Jan 14 00:22:44 <dawm> hrm im gonna try and make this. since i missed out on both devdays, even if its bunk ive never been to cali ;p
Jan 14 00:23:14 <SineOt> dawm: yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I missed two dev days, this seems cool, and it's in my home state! :V
Jan 14 00:23:31 <dawm> you should like pick me up at the airport ;p
Jan 14 00:23:37 <dohtem> SineOt: for shame :)
Jan 14 00:24:23 <rwhitby> I doubt there will be any freebies of the new devices.  Pre 2 would be the most you could hope for.
Jan 14 00:24:40 <SineOt> if you're going for freebies that's kind of lame :p
Jan 14 00:24:40 <rwhitby> and that would be marginal likelihood I'd say
Jan 14 00:24:55 <rwhitby> nothing wrong with freebies :)
Jan 14 00:25:09 * rwhitby flew to NYC for the freebies
Jan 14 00:25:16 <SineOt> more just wrong with going to an event only in the hopes of getting freebies :p
Jan 14 00:25:36 <SineOt> Anyways, yeah... Looking at it the official press event is at 10 AM
Jan 14 00:25:52 <dohtem> page error'd when I hit submit
Jan 14 00:25:58 <dohtem> anyone else get through?
Jan 14 00:26:08 <dgathright> If I were anywhere close to SF I'd be there in a heartbeat, but it's a little hard to justify a few hundred $ and a vacation day for a 2 hour event
Jan 14 00:27:02 <dgathright> So yes, freebies would be required. :)
Jan 14 00:27:58 <oil> free palmpad?
Jan 14 00:28:26 <SineOt> free foooooood
Jan 14 00:28:34 <dgathright> I'd even be happy with a discounted palmPad.
Jan 14 00:28:50 <rwhitby> there's no chance they will say "hey, we're announcing the palmpad, and we've already made enough of them to give them away to you guys"
Jan 14 00:29:10 <rwhitby> (since if that was the case they would have announced them last year)
Jan 14 00:30:18 <SineOt> HP's Todd Bradley inferred that they had a tablet ready to launch at CES, but decided to do their own event though
Jan 14 00:30:26 <dohtem> rwhitby: "here are some foleos we found in the back.  Anyone want some?!"
Jan 14 00:30:35 <rwhitby> SineOt: ready to announce, I would expect.
Jan 14 00:30:36 <rick-home> yep,  and it's a MINIMUM of a $250 ticket for me, PLUS two days of work, PLUS a hotel in SF.
Jan 14 00:30:56 <rick-home> but they want dev's so that they can show the press that there IS a dedicated dev community.
Jan 14 00:30:59 <rwhitby> dohtem: now *that*'s possible
Jan 14 00:31:23 <rwhitby> rick-home: yeah, very good point.
Jan 14 00:32:04 <dohtem> rick-home: and to appease us for making us wait
Jan 14 00:33:08 <dawm> id just be sleeping in the gate area/traveling all day, leave detroit at 735 arrive in SFO at 1230, then catch a flight back at 1030 and arrive here at 1115(the next day)
Jan 14 00:33:10 <rick-home> Right, but a pavilion full of dedicated webos dev's drinking HP's free booze and sucking up the chance to play with the new toys would be a great thing for the press to report...
Jan 14 00:33:13 <rwhitby> Hmm - possible 2.0 SDK release and/or Enyo early access release?
Jan 14 00:33:34 <rick-home> that would be good and possible, since they need that in order to support this new ecology of devices.
Jan 14 00:33:53 <destinal> rick-home: I'll be attending
Jan 14 00:33:57 <rwhitby> And maybe 2.0 for legacy devices
Jan 14 00:34:04 <SineOt> rwhitby: though to be fair, if they were going to give anything away, I'm sure they could manage to find a few hundred at most of product X to give away
Jan 14 00:34:33 <SineOt> doubly so for a product that was ready to debut last week and launch in Q1 2011 like they've said previously :p
Jan 14 00:34:39 <rick-home> If you listened to the Video from CNBC on the front page of precentral, it becomes clear that this is going to be a WEBOS centric announcement.  And webos-centric devs will be very important
Jan 14 00:34:52 <rwhitby> SineOt: no way they can give away product X at the launch announcement
Jan 14 00:35:21 <semprance> rwhitby: "_rev must be specified for existing objects"
Jan 14 00:35:44 <oil> if its got wireless, its gotta go through FCC before people can use it, no?
Jan 14 00:35:48 <semprance> But the chatthread restored fine after deleting _rev
Jan 14 00:36:22 <SineOt> oil: yeah, but there's sneaky ways around that
Jan 14 00:37:29 <rwhitby> it's a simple matter of inventory economics
Jan 14 00:37:38 <destinal> I kind of doubt that this is the sort of event where they'll be giving away lots of devices, but I could be wrong
Jan 14 00:37:45 <rwhitby> it's simply not economical to give away the first batch of a new product to developers.
Jan 14 00:38:08 <rwhitby> giving away Pre 2's would be a possibility, but not product X
Jan 14 00:38:39 <dgathright> personally, I'm more excited about Product Y.
Jan 14 00:38:47 <dgathright> :)
Jan 14 00:39:03 <bpadalino> rwhitby: maybe it's a "thank you"?  giving away 250 of something they hope to sell hundreds of thousands of isn't too bad for people who actively develop for the platform
Jan 14 00:39:44 <SineOt> oil: the FCC will actively hide/protect devices for up to 45 days from the date that certification is granted
Jan 14 00:39:53 <oil> ah
Jan 14 00:39:55 <dgathright> Precentral post - http://www.precentral.net/palm-invites-developers-another-feb-9th-event
Jan 14 00:39:58 <rwhitby> bpadalino: if you knew that the 250 were the developers who had highest ROI, then possibly, but not for a self-selecting audience
Jan 14 00:40:38 <SineOt> and parts of devices can be requested to be hidden/protected indefinitely
Jan 14 00:42:13 <rwhitby> bpadalino: first devices on product launch are *very* carefully controlled as to who gets them, simply from a PR control point of view.
Jan 14 00:42:31 <rwhitby> there's no way they'll give product X to 250 random elements
Jan 14 00:42:58 <bpadalino> they aren't 100% random
Jan 14 00:43:13 <bpadalino> sample selection went out to registered developers at least ..
Jan 14 00:43:27 <bpadalino> not sure what their selection criteria was .. or which list it was - but it wasn't quite random
Jan 14 00:43:29 <rwhitby> bpadalino: their reaction to the device and expressions to the press are random and uncontrolled
Jan 14 00:43:43 <rwhitby> No way that HP PR would allow that to happen
Jan 14 00:44:06 <rwhitby> This is a multi-billion dollar company, with millions of dollars spent on PR people alone.
Jan 14 00:45:16 <bpadalino> i think it's possible they could announce and give away something in the same night .. possibly with conditions associated with it ..
Jan 14 00:45:21 <bpadalino> but i think it's entirely possible
Jan 14 00:45:45 <SineOt> oil: actually reading it I think you can request any length of time for confidentiality as long as the FCC deems it "reasonable" under their clauses
Jan 14 00:46:16 <SineOt> under stuff like "disclosure of the information could result in substantial competitive harm," etc
Jan 14 00:46:32 <dgathright> Hmm... r/t flight is $150.
Jan 14 00:48:15 * destinal lucked out, is in San Francisco on business that week anyway.
Jan 14 00:49:39 * oil hopes destinal gets on wIRC and lets us know whats up
Jan 14 00:50:08 <destinal> oil: and have to put up with running wIRC?  you've got to be crazy.. :P
Jan 14 00:50:21 <rick-home> destinal  take nook....
Jan 14 00:50:36 <oil> lol
Jan 14 00:51:04 <destinal> oil: yeah I'll definitely be online from there  and I'll have pre and nookcolor.   maybe sprint pre2 by then rather than regular pre
Jan 14 00:51:11 <rick-home> better thann taking an ipad.....
Jan 14 00:51:23 <destinal> rick-home: ^
Jan 14 00:51:49 <rick-home> sprint pre2 running ft talking to nook color....
Jan 14 00:52:06 <destinal> rick-home: yes, most likely exactly that
Jan 14 00:52:22 * destinal will need to build a battery pack :)
Jan 14 00:52:32 <rick-home> directions on the wiki.
Jan 14 00:52:42 <rick-home> but it's about as dead-simple as anything is possible to be.
Jan 14 00:53:27 <destinal> yeah, cells in series attached to a load is the first circuit diagram most people read, right? :)
Jan 14 01:00:24 <dgathright> OMG! Apple is removing the home button and instead opting for gestures.  That's like, so... revolutionary!
Jan 14 01:02:29 <SineOt> five finger home gesture!
Jan 14 01:02:33 <SineOt> so much easier than one button
Jan 14 01:03:30 <fahhem> it's going to be named the high-five gesture
Jan 14 01:03:48 <fahhem> or the broken-screen gesture if high-fives are given too energetically
Jan 14 01:04:11 <dgathright> Pretty soon Apple is going to remove all i/o from their devices (those get in the way of user experience ya know) and you'll just have a small, black box to stare at.  But it'll be sooooo shiny and people will be jealous of how cool you are.
Jan 14 01:04:16 * fahhem will write the high-five app where you're rewarded for high-fiving your ipad the hardest
Jan 14 01:04:40 <dgathright> then for version 2, they'll bevel the edges and give you the option of a ... wait for it ... white version!
Jan 14 01:05:19 <dgathright> Speaking of... how does everyone like their white iPhone 4? Oh wait, that's right...
Jan 14 01:39:30 <SineOt> mugen-: woohoo, Boxee says that they're depreciating the HTTP API and implementing the JSONRPC
Jan 14 01:40:39 <Loudergood> gg
Jan 14 01:41:21 <SineOt> My plan is working great then. P:
Jan 14 01:41:25 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 14 01:41:30 <dohtem> heh
Jan 14 01:41:40 <SineOt> Squish Remote for XBMC gets JSONRPC, super easy backports to Boxee
Jan 14 01:48:34 * SineOt sheds a single tear. :'3
Jan 14 01:48:42 <SineOt> "Thank you for submitting your app to Palm. Your app has entered our automated submission flow and will be available to install on compatible devices within 2 hours from now."
Jan 14 02:02:40 <Tibfib> there's too many people trying to get other people to pay for them to go to the dev event on feb9
Jan 14 02:03:16 <halfhalo> I would go if it wasn't in the middle of the damn week
Jan 14 02:04:33 <destinal> Tibfib: I was lucky enough to be in SF on training anyway and had no plans for the evening.
Jan 14 02:04:40 <Tibfib> whoa nice!
Jan 14 02:04:50 <Tibfib> halfhalo: if I was in CA....
Jan 14 02:05:04 * halfhalo would drive up if it was on a weekend
Jan 14 02:05:20 <Tibfib> what is feb9? tues ?
Jan 14 02:05:26 <Tibfib> weds
Jan 14 02:05:27 <dohtem> wed, iirc
Jan 14 02:05:36 <halfhalo> wed
Jan 14 02:05:50 <Tibfib> hmm
Jan 14 02:36:57 <dohtem> ^?
Jan 14 02:47:45 <CTLAdvance> was someone asking about the pre 2 earlier
Jan 14 02:47:52 <CTLAdvance> and looking for me
Jan 14 02:49:08 <rwhitby> CTLAdvance: I sorted it
Jan 14 02:49:14 <rwhitby> (re sprint pre 2)
Jan 14 02:51:46 <haeffb> CTLAdvance: rick-home wants a sprint pre 2
Jan 14 02:53:46 <SineOt> Yay. :9 http://www.ruddersquish.com/
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