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Jan 14 03:17:52 <mattsmcnulty> so who is coming on the 9th?
Jan 14 03:17:59 <halfhalo> not me!
Jan 14 03:19:45 <mattsmcnulty> boo, why not?
Jan 14 03:19:51 <halfhalo> School
Jan 14 03:20:13 <halfhalo> if it was on a weekend, then I maybe could
Jan 14 03:21:02 <mattsmcnulty> ahh
Jan 14 03:21:26 <mattsmcnulty> but it is early in the semester! you can make up for it later
Jan 14 03:22:22 <halfhalo> meh
Jan 14 03:27:20 <SineOt> I'm going to try to
Jan 14 03:27:39 <mattsmcnulty> cool
Jan 14 03:27:42 * rwhitby will not be able to make it
Jan 14 03:28:09 * Tibfib neither
Jan 14 03:28:30 * halfhalo votes live stream
Jan 14 03:28:35 <Tibfib> but that's not a surprise.. not like I've gone to anything before.
Jan 14 03:28:44 <rwhitby> halfhalo: PR doesn't allow live stream
Jan 14 03:29:01 <halfhalo> awwwwwww
Jan 14 03:29:10 * Tibfib would be in school anyway
Jan 14 03:30:55 <mattsmcnulty> it's better not to have a live stream, so if I screw up the rest of the world wont see
Jan 14 03:31:10 <Tibfib> hehe
Jan 14 03:31:32 <Tibfib> you could practice in front of us if you want...set up a ustream...
Jan 14 03:31:46 <mattsmcnulty> ha
Jan 14 03:32:55 <SineOt> weird, can anyone with like, App Scoop or Preware set up with the beta feed check "Squish Remote for Boxee" for me?
Jan 14 03:33:19 <dohtem> NO!
Jan 14 03:33:22 <dohtem> j/k
Jan 14 03:33:45 <SineOt> the RSS feed lists 0.9.8 but the Catalog still has 0.9.7
Jan 14 03:38:10 * halfhalo does a jig
Jan 14 03:39:23 <funkatron> man, why do I always get invited to shit in San Francisco when I really cannot go
Jan 14 03:39:29 <funkatron> LIFE IS HARD
Jan 14 03:39:42 <halfhalo> INORIT
Jan 14 03:39:44 <mattsmcnulty> oh comeon funkatron! you have to come
Jan 14 03:40:08 <funkatron> if you guys pay my flight, then I'll come.
Jan 14 03:40:12 <funkatron> I'd love to be there!
Jan 14 03:40:27 <funkatron> but I'll be getting back from a week trip to NYC just a couple days before
Jan 14 03:40:50 <funkatron> you should probably skype me in
Jan 14 03:41:09 * halfhalo wants to be skypeified
Jan 14 03:41:16 <funkatron> "hey guys, it's that jackass who keeps giving away his app for free!"
Jan 14 03:41:22 <mattsmcnulty> ha
Jan 14 03:41:51 <funkatron> you need to use some of that HP money tho
Jan 14 03:41:52 <rwhitby> funkatron: yeah, you should be paying Palm for hosting your app without any commission ;)
Jan 14 03:42:03 <funkatron> rwhitby: good point!
Jan 14 03:42:40 <rwhitby> they'll probably hit you with the drinks bill if you turn up
Jan 14 03:42:44 <funkatron> hah
Jan 14 03:42:49 <funkatron> I rarely drink, too
Jan 14 03:42:51 <mattsmcnulty> we are using that HP money!
Jan 14 03:42:58 <mattsmcnulty> what do you think we've been doing? ;-)
Jan 14 03:43:00 <funkatron> hahah
Jan 14 03:43:03 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 14 03:43:09 <funkatron> I dunno mattsmcnulty, no one will tell me 8D
Jan 14 03:43:13 <rwhitby> mattsmcnulty: no, on beer, not on software and palmpads
Jan 14 03:43:19 <mattsmcnulty> you'll see on the 9th
Jan 14 03:43:26 <funkatron> c'mon
Jan 14 03:43:26 <funkatron> '
Jan 14 03:43:29 <funkatron> gimme the enyo
Jan 14 03:43:34 <halfhalo> pwease?
Jan 14 03:43:37 <funkatron> just a taste
Jan 14 03:43:40 <mattsmcnulty> hee
Jan 14 03:43:43 <mattsmcnulty> enyo's coming
Jan 14 03:43:51 <funkatron> let a brother get a taste
Jan 14 03:43:51 <rwhitby> "in the coming months"
Jan 14 03:44:00 <mattsmcnulty> heh
Jan 14 03:44:17 <funkatron> shoulda called it yayo
Jan 14 03:44:18 <mattsmcnulty> it's really hard to say a date for something like a framework
Jan 14 03:44:23 <funkatron> yeah, no doubt
Jan 14 03:44:31 <funkatron> I just honestly want to start porting to it
Jan 14 03:44:49 <funkatron> like, I'm wondering how Mojo will adapt to the diff resolutions
Jan 14 03:44:59 <funkatron> assuming there are new resolutions.
Jan 14 03:45:01 <mattsmcnulty> heh
Jan 14 03:45:02 <funkatron> ...
Jan 14 03:45:17 <rwhitby> funkatron: no, the PalmPad is going to be the same res as the Pixi
Jan 14 03:45:27 <rwhitby> just really big pixels
Jan 14 03:45:30 <funkatron> that would make for some cool pixel art
Jan 14 03:45:36 <funkatron> like REALLY sharply defined pixels
Jan 14 03:45:42 <dohtem`> rwhitby: But all blown up so the pixels are 1 inch square
Jan 14 03:45:53 <funkatron> like 20 ppi
Jan 14 03:45:55 <mattsmcnulty> heh
Jan 14 03:46:38 <funkatron> actually it will have a vector display
Jan 14 03:46:38 <funkatron> http://robztamods.webs.com/Vectrex.jpg
Jan 14 03:46:48 <funkatron> shit, I would buy that
Jan 14 03:46:52 <rwhitby> ooh - vector webOS
Jan 14 03:46:54 <mattsmcnulty> mojo doesn't really adapt
Jan 14 03:46:58 <mattsmcnulty> some widgets deal with larger screens ok
Jan 14 03:47:01 <mattsmcnulty> some dont
Jan 14 03:47:08 <mattsmcnulty> it's a tricky problem really
Jan 14 03:47:16 <funkatron> mattsmcnulty: right. hence my conundrum and wanting the yayo.
Jan 14 03:47:18 <funkatron> Enyo.
Jan 14 03:47:22 <halfhalo> face
Jan 14 03:47:46 <funkatron> possibly sadder: I remember when you could buy a Vectrex in stores.
Jan 14 03:50:28 <qacat> question on a patch: what happened to the patch to shut off the 802.11 when the phone is idle?
Jan 14 03:50:40 <qacat> anybody remember the name?
Jan 14 03:51:03 <dohtem`> SineOt: 0.9.7 in the catalog
Jan 14 03:51:41 <funkatron> anyway mattsmcnulty, I'm super excited about both the hardware and new tools I'm sure you have coming
Jan 14 03:51:58 <mattsmcnulty> wanna come move here and help put them out?
Jan 14 03:52:06 <funkatron> ....
Jan 14 03:52:13 <funkatron> tempting, but I like living here a lot 8D
Jan 14 03:52:17 <mattsmcnulty> seriously. I desperately need new people
Jan 14 03:52:18 <funkatron> and so does the fam 8)
Jan 14 03:52:22 <mattsmcnulty> aren't you in baltimore or dc or something?
Jan 14 03:52:30 <funkatron> Lafayette, IN
Jan 14 03:52:42 <mattsmcnulty> oh, a flyover state
Jan 14 03:52:45 <mattsmcnulty> :-P
Jan 14 03:52:58 <funkatron> hahaha
Jan 14 03:53:04 <funkatron> myep
Jan 14 03:53:08 <halfhalo> hmm... job offers via irc.  THAT will end well
Jan 14 03:54:17 <funkatron> hah, it's not the first time
Jan 14 03:55:24 * halfhalo goes to play with his super duper node regex module
Jan 14 03:56:57 <halfhalo> because being able to just write normal strings and convert them to regex automagically is awesome
Jan 14 03:57:11 <funkatron> that's coolio
Jan 14 03:57:14 <funkatron> I think?
Jan 14 03:57:18 <halfhalo> yes
Jan 14 03:57:18 <funkatron> example?
Jan 14 03:57:55 <halfhalo>  regex.construct("commit <%[]commit%>").then("\\n").if ("Author: <%[s]author%>").then("\\n").if ("Date:\\s\\s\\s<%[s]date%>").then("\\n\\n").if ("<%[n]message%>").if ("\\n\\n$").call("home");
Jan 14 03:58:06 <funkatron> oh interesting
Jan 14 03:58:20 <bpadalino> wow
Jan 14 03:58:23 <halfhalo> there is also .or, .last, .first, .either
Jan 14 03:58:36 <halfhalo> and .ignore
Jan 14 03:59:15 <bpadalino> how do you use it in practice ?
Jan 14 03:59:23 <halfhalo> and it returns an object with the results and the fieldnames (ie commit as a key for <%[]commit%>)
Jan 14 03:59:39 <halfhalo> That IS from a use case
Jan 14 03:59:59 <halfhalo> regex is a master object that contains a bunch of clients
Jan 14 04:00:47 <halfhalo> regex.construct returns a client allowing me to chain client commands until call, which either takes a callback function or home which causes it to return the value on match
Jan 14 04:01:19 <destinal> does anyone get like one corner get creaky under the touchstone back after a while?  didn't used to be this way...
Jan 14 04:01:45 <halfhalo> I can call the subobjects match myself, but usually call the master objects match method which runs through the list of subobjects
Jan 14 04:02:17 <SineOt> dohtem: uh oh
Jan 14 04:03:33 <SineOt> what in the world is going on :C
Jan 14 04:03:48 <halfhalo> internally each subobject can have one or more built regex string that is created from .if and the like, with a super special case for .or which forks the internal regex strings
Jan 14 04:05:07 <halfhalo> I could theoretically take these three strings and make them into one using or, but that because a really really really convoluted string: http://pastebin.com/R2DCKhr5
Jan 14 04:06:48 * halfhalo knows its hard to explain
Jan 14 04:06:48 <funkatron> I'm out fellers. night!
Jan 14 04:07:23 <bpadalino> http://xkcd.com/208/
Jan 14 04:08:12 <halfhalo> :p
Jan 14 04:08:18 <bpadalino> :)
Jan 14 04:09:44 <halfhalo> Hell, I would much rather read the long ass function chain than read a short regex string
Jan 14 04:10:28 <halfhalo> and it lets me define a match group that gets thrown out, and mass match newlines
Jan 14 04:11:55 <halfhalo> tempted to add the ability to save multiple catches to an array
Jan 14 04:12:26 <Tibfib> would it be bad for performance to include jquery? anyone tried it?
Jan 14 04:12:27 <halfhalo> and/or add an .each function
Jan 14 04:14:05 <Tibfib> shmeh, going to bed tomorrow. Will have to run tests tomorrow
Jan 14 04:14:08 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 14 04:14:16 <Tibfib> going to bed. will have to run tests tomorrow*
Jan 14 04:14:23 <Tibfib> night everyone
Jan 14 04:14:28 <halfhalo> nn
Jan 14 04:20:12 <dohtem> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1952356 <- google beatbox
Jan 14 04:25:25 <SineOt> anyone ever changed the name of their app in appinfo.json between catalog updates? :Q
Jan 14 04:25:32 <dohtem> I have
Jan 14 04:25:47 <SineOt> Had any problems with it?
Jan 14 04:26:01 <dohtem> you also have to change it on the web when you submit the updated ipk
Jan 14 04:26:13 <dohtem> but no, there were no problems
Jan 14 04:26:29 <SineOt> Yeah, did that too
Jan 14 04:27:02 <SineOt> No idea why the feeds/portal are showing 0.9.8 but the catalog only shows 0.9.7
Jan 14 04:33:43 <Roy-Pre101> Who all is heading to SF on the 9th?
Jan 14 04:34:06 <halfhalo> not me
Jan 14 04:37:02 * dohtem is planning to
Jan 14 04:37:02 <Roy-Pre101> halfhalo: All travelled out?
Jan 14 04:37:45 <halfhalo> schools
Jan 14 04:39:45 <halfhalo> https://github.com/halfhalo/node-regexify hehehe
Jan 14 04:40:54 <dohtem> who knew bad reviews from a beta app would follow your app into the official catalog.  :(
Jan 14 04:41:02 <halfhalo> lulz
Jan 14 04:51:04 <destinal> dohtem: that sounds like a bug
Jan 14 04:51:12 <destinal> in the catalog process
Jan 14 04:51:32 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Jan 14 04:51:42 <CTLAdvance> I can fly out and back for 300 on southwest
Jan 14 04:51:55 <CTLAdvance> I wonder if it will be worth it
Jan 14 04:52:13 <dohtem> destinal: is that not supposed to happen or is it normal?
Jan 14 04:52:28 <rwhitby> dohtem: same appid ?
Jan 14 04:52:32 <dohtem> yeah
Jan 14 04:52:34 <dohtem> same app
Jan 14 04:52:41 <rwhitby> to be expected then
Jan 14 04:52:47 <rwhitby> appid is the key
Jan 14 04:53:11 <destinal> rwhitby: so moral of the story, use .beta. or something in your app id while in beta, so that you change the id when publishing to catalog
Jan 14 04:53:15 <destinal> i suppose
Jan 14 04:53:20 <rwhitby> yep, same for homebrew
Jan 14 04:53:28 <dohtem> gah!
Jan 14 04:53:32 <dohtem> wish I knew
Jan 14 04:53:59 <dohtem> (first submission)
Jan 14 05:01:23 * dohtem is off to watch Human Target reruns
Jan 14 05:39:27 <CTLAdvance> ok im registered for feb 9th, not sure if ill make it there though :/
Jan 14 06:15:04 <CTLAdvance> The question now, is how do I justify a 500 dollar 24 hour trip
Jan 14 06:15:09 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Jan 14 06:15:19 <halfhalo> drugs
Jan 14 06:15:57 <CTLAdvance> drugs?
Jan 14 06:16:07 <CTLAdvance> hmm
Jan 14 06:31:31 <oil> who needs justification?
Jan 14 06:38:04 <rick-home> those of us with wives....
Jan 14 06:39:09 <oil> AH
Jan 14 06:39:14 <oil> makes perfect sense now
Jan 14 06:39:15 <oil> haha
Jan 14 06:50:18 <rick-home> she who must be obeyed said "No" then she further explained "are you out of your mind?"  at which point the final argument was "You didn't wipe down the kitchen counters."
Jan 14 06:56:46 <oil> lol
Jan 14 06:57:03 <oil> but at least you took out the trash!
Jan 14 06:57:36 <torchie-nook> You guys get the email?
Jan 14 06:57:44 <torchie-nook> Mad hype for feb 9 lol
Jan 14 06:58:50 <halfhalo> email shmemail
Jan 14 06:58:56 * oil hopes they use the "palmpad" name
Jan 14 07:02:20 <teemu> HP Palm Pad
Jan 14 07:02:29 <teemu> HPPP, that's simple
Jan 14 07:03:03 <oil> its much better then "MYTE" or whatever those others were
Jan 14 07:04:10 <teemu> The Pad would be.. quite hmm. what's the word I'm looking for..
Jan 14 07:06:03 <halfhalo> paddy
Jan 14 07:06:25 <teemu> :)
Jan 14 07:12:39 <halfhalo> lalalalala
Jan 14 07:14:53 <teemu> That's not a good name
Jan 14 07:15:43 <teemu> I wonder if they'll have some dev program for the pad, too. I'd buy that one instead of Pre 2.
Jan 14 07:19:30 <teemu> Morning hotdp
Jan 14 07:21:59 <hotdp> Morning teemu
Jan 14 07:22:20 <mugen-> Palm Pilot.... Palm... Pilot...
Jan 14 07:22:49 <hotdp> ?
Jan 14 07:23:20 <mugen-> just putting my 2c in before i go to bed :)
Jan 14 07:24:13 <hotdp> :P
Jan 14 07:24:53 <mugen-> how's the weather over in denmark?
Jan 14 07:25:13 <hotdp> rainy and the snow is smelding
Jan 14 07:25:33 <mugen-> mmmm smelding snow
Jan 14 07:25:46 <mugen-> pretty cold, eh?
Jan 14 07:28:51 <hotdp> is plus today :D
Jan 14 07:28:57 <hotdp> but it has been very cold
Jan 14 07:29:02 <hotdp> what about your place?
Jan 14 07:29:02 <oil> LUCKY
Jan 14 07:30:52 <oil> the drive to work this morning was like ice-skatin
Jan 14 07:31:09 <oil> saw 4 cars pile up
Jan 14 07:31:09 <hotdp> been there done that
Jan 14 07:31:10 <oil> lol
Jan 14 07:31:11 <mugen-> it was nice today in the desert...
Jan 14 07:31:25 <mugen-> thinking about going to cali for some snowboarding :D
Jan 14 07:31:26 * halfhalo has normal socal weather again
Jan 14 07:32:00 <mugen-> san diego socal?
Jan 14 07:33:10 <halfhalo> LA ftw
Jan 14 07:33:43 <mugen-> ugh LA
Jan 14 07:34:00 <mugen-> only place on the planet with standstill traffic on the i10 at 3:00am
Jan 14 07:35:02 <mugen-> wait... what kind of abnormal weather? rain?
Jan 14 07:35:15 <halfhalo> yes
Jan 14 07:35:29 * hotdp wonder why he did not get an invite to Palm
Jan 14 07:35:30 <mugen-> yay we're getting rain! :D
Jan 14 07:35:41 <halfhalo> it was a while ago
Jan 14 07:35:48 <halfhalo> and I have been i veeegas
Jan 14 07:36:18 <mugen-> get any good down time in?
Jan 14 07:37:56 <halfhalo> meh
Jan 14 07:37:58 <halfhalo> not really
Jan 14 07:38:19 <mugen-> heh.... i'm sorry
Jan 14 07:39:08 <halfhalo> it was ces, it was awesome
Jan 14 07:39:17 * teemu will live Vegas in less than 6 weeks, hopefully earlier
Jan 14 07:39:22 <teemu> live = move
Jan 14 07:39:31 <mugen-> from where?
Jan 14 07:39:56 <teemu> From damn snowy Finland
Jan 14 07:40:06 <mugen-> whoa
Jan 14 07:40:10 <mugen-> go you!
Jan 14 07:40:18 <mugen-> desert living rules :D
Jan 14 07:40:41 <teemu> And buffets. Don't know about you guys but I love those..
Jan 14 07:40:58 <mugen-> invest in a pool and bbq for the summer and large hot tub for the ladies in the winter :D
Jan 14 07:41:04 <teemu> :)
Jan 14 07:41:26 <mugen-> and keep that refridgemerator STACKED! XD
Jan 14 07:41:28 <teemu> I have a wife so it just for the lady for me
Jan 14 07:41:57 <mugen-> well that's good... congrats man
Jan 14 07:42:05 <mugen-> that's one hell of a change of climate
Jan 14 07:42:17 <mugen-> you'll love it
Jan 14 07:42:56 <mugen-> i'm zZzZing... night gang
Jan 14 07:43:02 <teemu> sleep tight
Jan 14 07:44:12 <hotdp> teemu, are you moving?
Jan 14 07:44:34 <teemu> hotdp: yes
Jan 14 07:45:03 <hotdp> wow cool!
Jan 14 07:45:05 <hotdp> tell more?
Jan 14 07:46:17 <teemu> There's really nothing else to tell :) I'm just moving.
Jan 14 07:46:55 <hotdp> to vegas?
Jan 14 07:47:01 <teemu> yep
Jan 14 07:47:07 <hotdp> from finland?
Jan 14 07:48:38 <hotdp> it sounds like a "big" thing
Jan 14 07:49:04 <teemu> It is, a good thing :)
Jan 14 08:41:32 <rbredow> Hey guys. I'm having the most trouble just trying to get *any* sound to play with the HTML5 audio objects. Do you see anything obviously wrong with this? http://webos.pastebin.com/YrPzQ21a
Jan 14 08:42:19 <rbredow> I've got to be missing something obvious...but I'm not seeing any errors and there's simply no sound.
Jan 14 09:00:29 <venefyxatu> rbredow: without any knowledge on the subject, the only guess I can take is that Mojo.appPath does not end with a slash
Jan 14 09:00:49 <rbredow> yes...checked that. Trying some other (simpler) examples to see what's going on here. Odd.
Jan 14 09:22:35 <rbredow> Well, that took too long to figure out. It turns out if you provide a sound effect at the wrong sampling rate, it silently ignores you.
Jan 14 09:22:40 <rbredow> 44,100 is your friend. Argh.
Jan 14 09:22:55 <hotdp> :)
Jan 14 09:25:34 <rbredow> Oh, and 16 bit. Picky picky.
Jan 14 09:25:44 <rbredow> This is one time I can't blame the docs though. It's right there.
Jan 14 09:25:49 <rbredow> Good night all.
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Jan 14 13:46:34 <linuxman410> got my palm pre plus yesterday and love it
Jan 14 13:49:35 <Loudergood> got preware installed on it yet? ;)
Jan 14 13:51:51 <linuxman410> not yet does it have to be hooked to a computer to install preware
Jan 14 13:52:05 <Loudergood> that it does
Jan 14 13:52:31 <linuxman410> can i install from a linux box
Jan 14 13:53:46 <Loudergood> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Jan 14 14:11:25 <linuxman410> it says i am running 1.45 is that lastest palm upgrade
Jan 14 14:19:18 <Loudergood> yup
Jan 14 14:19:32 <Loudergood> 2.0 hasn't been released for anything but the pre2 yet
Jan 14 14:19:50 <linuxman410> oh ok thanks
Jan 14 15:05:08 <HattCzech_work> good morning, all
Jan 14 15:09:46 <CTLAdvance> morning
Jan 14 15:25:49 <CTLAdvance> have you seen this
Jan 14 15:25:54 <CTLAdvance> http://rim.jobs
Jan 14 15:26:15 <CTLAdvance> this is unbelievable... corp fail
Jan 14 15:28:32 <Rick_work> morning
Jan 14 15:30:04 <CTLAdvance> morning Ricj
Jan 14 15:30:06 <CTLAdvance> Rick
Jan 14 15:30:35 <CTLAdvance> I guess the  folks in waterloo are nothing but a bunch of rimjobs
Jan 14 15:30:51 <CTLAdvance> http://rim.jobs
Jan 14 15:30:58 <CTLAdvance> oy
Jan 14 15:31:08 <CTLAdvance> Rick_work were you looking for me yesterday
Jan 14 15:31:28 <Rick_work> CTLAdvance  I was sort of....
Jan 14 15:31:40 <Rick_work> CTLAdvance  I think I got what I needed tho.
Jan 14 15:31:49 <CTLAdvance> Great
Jan 14 15:32:07 <CTLAdvance> You can also find a post that may or may not exist in EA forums
Jan 14 15:32:17 * halfhalo yawns and then falls off his chair and falls asleep
Jan 14 15:32:25 <CTLAdvance> explains what you need for that
Jan 14 15:33:15 <CTLAdvance> The only drawback is not with Sprint itself, but mainly the profile as their servers are just that picky.
Jan 14 15:33:23 <CTLAdvance> make sure to create a new one for now
Jan 14 15:33:32 <CTLAdvance> palm servers
Jan 14 15:33:40 <CTLAdvance> so you cant get angry birds
Jan 14 16:01:23 <halfhalo> mmmm... angry birds
Jan 14 16:18:05 <RagingMind> I've played angry birds before, wasn't all that impressed
Jan 14 16:20:04 <MetaView> hm
Jan 14 16:20:09 <MetaView> is quite funny
Jan 14 16:37:13 <CTLAdvance> We need to make an app called angry pigs
Jan 14 16:37:24 <CTLAdvance> and have them launch slop at birds nests
Jan 14 16:44:18 <Rick_work> CTLAdvance  that's a really good idea.
Jan 14 16:44:58 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jan 14 16:45:02 <Rick_work> Bucket.  One pig kicks in slop.  Other pig pulls bucket back.  Slop hits birds flying in air in "clever" formations.
Jan 14 16:45:32 <CTLAdvance> lets take this a step further
Jan 14 16:45:36 <CTLAdvance> multiplayer
Jan 14 16:45:45 <CTLAdvance> someone is playing as birds with eggs
Jan 14 16:45:51 <CTLAdvance> some one is pig with slow
Jan 14 16:45:54 <CTLAdvance> chaos ensues
Jan 14 16:45:58 <Rick_work> Hmmm....
Jan 14 16:46:04 <CTLAdvance> pig with slop
Jan 14 16:46:11 <Rick_work> multi-player.  Birds have eggs in nest.
Jan 14 16:46:26 <Rick_work> Pigs have boards and bricks and stones and have to build forts.
Jan 14 16:46:39 <Rick_work> Birds attack pigs trying to steal eggs.
Jan 14 16:46:54 <Rick_work> Pigs try to get eggs back to fort taking advantage of terrain fixtures....
Jan 14 16:46:57 <Rick_work> features
Jan 14 16:51:59 <semprance> you should be a spokesman for rovio
Jan 14 16:52:43 <CTLAdvance> forget rovio
Jan 14 16:52:53 <CTLAdvance> we need to hijack this idea and get bunji involved
Jan 14 16:53:06 <CTLAdvance> this would be a perfect fit for the Halo codebase
Jan 14 16:53:52 <CTLAdvance> launch this on PS3 with games hosting 256 players
Jan 14 16:54:04 <CTLAdvance> 128 pigs, 128 birds
Jan 14 16:54:14 <CTLAdvance> BOOM
Jan 14 16:54:48 <CTLAdvance> pigs get a shoulder fire weapon called the Slomper
Jan 14 17:14:23 <JenP> hi all
Jan 14 18:39:55 <bmidgley> what is the buzz about the february event? tablet?
Jan 14 18:44:02 <Rick_work> The buzz is that HP says it will be a substantial announcement that goes beyond mere hardware.  hardware alone isn't enough to push hp into the spotlight here.  There's lots of cool tablets.  HP has to do more than just tab...
Jan 14 18:45:29 <fahhem> there has to be tablets, but I think there are going to be announcements about webOS touching everything HP makes
Jan 14 18:46:22 <Rick_work> exactly.  There have to be tablets,  here have to be handhelds, there must and will be printers, there probably will be kiosk type apps running webos on large monitors...
Jan 14 18:46:35 <fahhem> it will probably be on the next gen of printers, or at least the printers will include webOS-specific functionality where any webOS device will be able to print to known, online printers or maybe to nearby printers
Jan 14 18:47:13 <destinal> think big, think small, think beyond.     (big = tablets)  (small=phones) (beyond = ?? -- webOS doing more than we've seen before I imagine)
Jan 14 18:47:32 * halfhalo is waiting for his webos toaster
Jan 14 18:47:38 <fahhem> i'm just gonna go and look under all the chairs i can :)
Jan 14 18:48:01 <fahhem> halfhalo: just wait
Jan 14 18:48:13 <destinal> Rick_work: I don't know if printers is really all that big a deal at this point
Jan 14 18:49:05 <fahhem> destinal:  it'll increase the usage of webOS, allowing certain printer-usable apps to expand into millions more devices
Jan 14 18:49:14 <semprance> you from the UK? They're pushing printers alot here
Jan 14 18:49:37 <destinal> fahhem: yeah, but really it's just a way for HP to improve its on-printer software, people don't buy printers for the OS they run
Jan 14 18:50:08 <fahhem> true, but HP already knows that people use the new stuff in the OS
Jan 14 18:50:30 <fahhem> so if they can play a game of angry birds while waiting for their 20 pages to finish, they will
Jan 14 18:51:13 <fahhem> i've fiddled with my dumb-printer before, pressing buttons to see if my printer will let me dynamically change things (it didn't)
Jan 14 18:51:26 <bmidgley> it'll be interesting to see which of these devices we can write software for
Jan 14 18:51:56 * halfhalo goes back to his crazily awesome regex
Jan 14 18:51:57 <destinal> fahhem: I highly doubt there'll be an app catalog that supports installing angry birds on your printer.   that's just silly.  now, with homebrew stuff, maybe\
Jan 14 18:52:52 <fahhem> why not?
Jan 14 18:53:25 <fahhem> these days, printers are coming with built-in wifi, bluetooth, etc, everything a phone has
Jan 14 18:53:50 <fahhem> as long as the app doesn't require accelerometers (shaking your printer sounds like a bad idea) then it can run on a printer too
Jan 14 18:53:51 <halfhalo> hehehe....
Jan 14 18:54:02 <fahhem> its like putting your phone in a big dock that can also print
Jan 14 18:54:10 <destinal> fahhem: yes, but companies making these products model the user experience of a device and don't support putting junk on them that doesn't make sense.   so out of the box, you won't be installing music and movie players or games on your printer
Jan 14 18:54:30 <fahhem> it could also be that if you put your pre/pixi in a special touchstone-like dock in your printer, it can gain the capabilities of a printer
Jan 14 18:55:47 <semprance> if the printers are wifi enabled there would be no need for a touchstone, just a webos app on your device
Jan 14 18:56:16 <destinal> exactly, you'll be able to send jobs to your printer from your handheld anywhere or manage them if there's an app
Jan 14 18:57:17 <fahhem> yeah, but the initial pairing is simplified by a touchstone-like base
Jan 14 18:57:57 <destinal> fahhem: they may do adhoc wifi and have some kind of onetouch setup for those who don't have an existing wifi network I guess
Jan 14 18:58:06 <fahhem> though, come to think of it, there isn't a data-connection available in the touchstone, so i'm not sure how pairing would be helped
Jan 14 18:59:21 <fahhem> yeah, that initial pairing seems like it will be problematic for users unless they're pressing buttons on both devices
Jan 14 18:59:34 <destinal> honestly the only thing webos benefits a printer is using standardized interfaces and programming environments, anywhere HP needs embedded linux, using webos means using something everyone can already just know
Jan 14 18:59:35 <fahhem> anyway, getting way into the printers issue, we'll know in <4 weeks
Jan 14 19:01:13 <destinal> and I imagine developing and testing UI's for printers is much easier in webos than other places so they get some synergy benefits
Jan 14 19:05:41 <fahhem> is it just my phone, or do alarms that are off change themselves to random times in the day?
Jan 14 19:07:07 <Loudergood> yeah that's not normal
Jan 14 19:18:51 <HattCzech_work> fahhem: mine has been doing that as well (with the alarms)
Jan 14 19:19:30 <fahhem> phew
Jan 14 19:19:36 <fahhem> pre+ verizon?
Jan 14 19:19:45 <HattCzech_work> pre- on sprint
Jan 14 19:19:46 <fahhem> Loudergood: what device?
Jan 14 19:20:08 <HattCzech_work> it has removed them once or twice before as well
Jan 14 19:20:08 <fahhem> HattCzech_work: any alarm app patches?
Jan 14 19:20:18 <fahhem> oh, i've never lost an alarm
Jan 14 19:20:21 <HattCzech_work> that was annoying when i didn't wake up to go to work
Jan 14 19:20:33 <HattCzech_work> i think i have the go to alarms screen
Jan 14 19:20:36 <fahhem> oh, it deleted alarms that were on?
Jan 14 19:20:41 <HattCzech_work> (instead of clock)
Jan 14 19:20:43 <HattCzech_work> yeah
Jan 14 19:20:43 <fahhem> i have that patch too
Jan 14 19:20:51 <HattCzech_work> i need to just wipe out my device
Jan 14 19:21:09 <fahhem> but i've only gotten alarms that were off to be changed, nothing touching the ones that were on
Jan 14 19:21:28 <fahhem> thank god, otherwise i would have to get a new phone
Jan 14 19:23:08 <fahhem> ShadeS: your internet looks like it works only a few seconds at a time
Jan 14 19:35:06 <dgathright> Regarding earlier discussion about what "think beyond" refers to.  I've always been convinced HP wants to use webOS on everything in the home.  Computers & printers to refrigerators & toasters. The toaster part isn't too exciting, but what is exciting is everything that came before the decision of "Well shit, we have it in everything else, may as well throw it on a toaster."
Jan 14 19:35:54 <dgathright> HP has long been obsessed with the "Smart Home" idea.  webOS is their ticket.   http://www.hpsmarthome.com/
Jan 14 19:36:14 <dgathright> That's just my theory at least. :)
Jan 14 19:54:27 <Loudergood> fahhem: vzw pre plus
Jan 14 19:55:54 <Loudergood> granted I don't use a lot of alarms, and I still insist on using my alarm clock from the 1980s
Jan 14 20:12:54 <dohtem> Display advertising or charge for an app?  Anyone want to weigh in on pros and cons?
Jan 14 20:20:44 <fahhem> dohtem: ads are long-term
Jan 14 20:20:55 <Robdor> dohtem: When given the choice I would always prefer to pay for an app to not have ads.
Jan 14 20:21:12 <fahhem> so they might pay out over long periods of time, while paying is only once per install but much more
Jan 14 20:21:34 <fahhem> you can provide both options (a 'free' version with ads, and a 'pro' without)
Jan 14 20:21:53 <fahhem> but if an app has a server-side cost to it, ads might make more sense
Jan 14 20:22:04 <Robdor> That's true
Jan 14 20:22:10 <fahhem> though i'm planning on making a service for recurring charges
Jan 14 20:22:22 <dohtem> hmm..
Jan 14 20:26:03 <dohtem> Plus, arent free apps available in more markets?
Jan 14 20:26:52 <SineOt> Yes
Jan 14 20:27:25 <SineOt> But I'm fairly sure that with the right bit of finagling with the distribution channels you could theoretically make a "Free Pro" version available to markets without paid access
Jan 14 21:02:10 <CTLAdvance> for the record I just recently bought an HP Officejet Pro 8500A Plus printer
Jan 14 21:02:20 <CTLAdvance> it has a 4 inch screen
Jan 14 21:02:43 <CTLAdvance> wow that was delayed
Jan 14 21:02:55 <CTLAdvance> talk about 2 hours
Jan 14 21:02:56 <CTLAdvance> fail
Jan 14 21:03:00 <Loudergood> lol
Jan 14 21:03:22 <Loudergood> you going to start complaining if it doesn't get a webos doctor soon? ;)
Jan 14 21:03:24 <oil> all aboard the failboat
Jan 14 21:03:30 <CTLAdvance> lol
Jan 14 21:03:37 <SineOt> toot toot
Jan 14 21:03:43 <CTLAdvance> no I expect to have to buy another one when they launch webOS
Jan 14 21:03:49 <CTLAdvance> i doubt there will be a rom update
Jan 14 21:03:58 <fahhem> chugga chugga chugga
Jan 14 21:04:02 <CTLAdvance> which means I need something to destroy it
Jan 14 21:04:13 * dohtem hands CTLAdvance a baseball bat
Jan 14 21:04:15 <Loudergood> inkjet right?
Jan 14 21:04:27 <Loudergood> just watch office space for inspiration
Jan 14 21:05:14 <CTLAdvance> yes
Jan 14 21:05:17 <CTLAdvance> correction
Jan 14 21:05:49 <SineOt> for the record, printers are worthless to me now unless they have wireless
Jan 14 21:05:59 <Loudergood> ++
Jan 14 21:06:06 <CTLAdvance> need something to go wrong with it so wife approves
Jan 14 21:06:20 <CTLAdvance> this is built in bgn
Jan 14 21:06:26 <SineOt> nice
Jan 14 21:06:55 <SineOt> also for the record, printers are awesome when places like Office Max or Staples or whatever do their recycle sales :p
Jan 14 21:07:03 <CTLAdvance> But its seems to get more distance from the black ink cartrige then my lasers did
Jan 14 21:07:10 <CTLAdvance> so long as you dont print pics
Jan 14 21:07:18 <Loudergood> inkjet, just leave it off for a month straight. the heads will jam
Jan 14 21:07:30 <dohtem> haha
Jan 14 21:07:34 <SineOt> 50$ off for returning a dead printer + ~18$ for returning the ink cartridges, then 100$ rebate? hellllll yes
Jan 14 21:07:51 <halfhalo> OH GOD THE PRINTERS ARE ATTACKING!!!
Jan 14 21:08:06 <dohtem> SEND REINFORCEMENTS
Jan 14 21:08:34 <SineOt> hello Brother 2171W for 39$ :Q
Jan 14 21:09:13 <CTLAdvance> ah had a brother 2170w and smashed it with my boot
Jan 14 21:09:22 <CTLAdvance> wifi connection and setup was garbage
Jan 14 21:09:33 <CTLAdvance> Thank god my new one has a 4" touch screen
Jan 14 21:09:43 <CTLAdvance> I hope the new ones get better apps
Jan 14 21:09:49 <SineOt> eh, didn't have much issue with this
Jan 14 21:09:52 <CTLAdvance> which I expect they wikll
Jan 14 21:10:08 <SineOt> other one is a Epson Workforce 610 or something all in one. Setup on that was so stupid easy
Jan 14 21:10:12 <CTLAdvance> worked fine until I needed to get it on my N network
Jan 14 21:10:13 <dohtem> SineOt: It's be cheaper to get a new one that to replace the toner
Jan 14 21:10:25 <SineOt> OSX found it automatically and set everything up, including wireless scanning @_@
Jan 14 21:10:26 <Loudergood> wifi setup on my samsung was rough...initially it connected to the open wireless across the street automatically
Jan 14 21:10:57 <CTLAdvance> SineOT if my printer connected to the wifi, then I could have hooked it up
Jan 14 21:11:16 <CTLAdvance> couldnt get it on the new network, was fine for a year, took 30 seconds to have it up and running
Jan 14 21:12:03 <CTLAdvance> brother requires you to use the BRAdmin software, which is crap if you cant even get it on the network
Jan 14 21:12:06 <CTLAdvance> oh well
Jan 14 21:12:12 <CTLAdvance> new hp is nice
Jan 14 21:12:46 <halfhalo> my hp wireless photosmart makes me mad
Jan 14 21:12:58 <CTLAdvance> yeah I went with officejet
Jan 14 21:13:08 <oil> printing makes me sad
Jan 14 21:13:28 <halfhalo> I have an older laserjet, but thats waaayyyy out in the other side of the house
Jan 14 21:13:50 <CTLAdvance> do you have the one with the android tab
Jan 14 21:13:51 <oil> oh no, walking across the house
Jan 14 21:13:51 <CTLAdvance> ?
Jan 14 21:13:56 <dohtem> LaserJet?  Those indestructable printers from the 90s?
Jan 14 21:14:00 <oil> he'll have to get another one
Jan 14 21:14:02 <oil> a closer one
Jan 14 21:14:16 <CTLAdvance> if he coats his floors in OIL he can slide
Jan 14 21:14:17 * halfhalo has a wireless one in his room
Jan 14 21:14:19 <CTLAdvance> all the way over
Jan 14 21:14:45 <CTLAdvance> if he coats his room floor in oil he can slide around his room
Jan 14 21:15:05 <halfhalo> but it makes me mad because to tie it to a network iyou have to connect via usb which requires 110MB in drivers
Jan 14 21:15:45 <oil> yay, drivers
Jan 14 21:18:23 <CTLAdvance> and whats wrong with drivers? to lazy to download them
Jan 14 21:20:29 <oil> nothing is wrong with drivers
Jan 14 21:20:38 <oil> whats wrong, is when its 100+mb in size
Jan 14 21:20:42 <oil> when it doesnt need to be
Jan 14 21:23:08 <dohtem> http://designdare.com/how-to-buy-an-iphone-at-the-worst-possible-ti  - lol
Jan 14 21:24:02 <CTLAdvance> I agree
Jan 14 21:31:03 <b0bben_> is it feb 9th yet?!?
Jan 14 21:31:06 <b0bben_> ;)
Jan 14 21:31:11 <b0bben_> zup all
Jan 14 21:31:18 <dohtem> hey b0bben_
Jan 14 21:32:07 <b0bben_> do you mind if i do a quick survey?
Jan 14 21:32:18 <b0bben_> how many of you watch video on your webos phones?
Jan 14 21:33:09 <Tibfib> youtube or otherwise?
Jan 14 21:33:48 <b0bben_> both, i guess
Jan 14 21:34:20 <Tibfib> occassionally watch youtube.. never watch movies on usb.. not enough space
Jan 14 21:34:36 <b0bben_> let me rephrase: how many here would watch a feature film on your phones, if you could
Jan 14 21:34:45 * halfhalo watches movies on his epic because it plays EVERYTHING
Jan 14 21:34:46 * Tibfib would
Jan 14 21:34:55 <dohtem> screens too small, and phone gets too warm
Jan 14 21:35:14 <dohtem> but yeah, in a bind I would
Jan 14 21:35:20 <Tibfib> I've never tried watching a video.. but I think I would
Jan 14 21:35:30 * halfhalo also has a zunehd as a fallback
Jan 14 21:35:35 <SineOt> if I'm watching a movie... I tend to watch it on my netbook
Jan 14 21:35:44 <SineOt> because the screen is big enough that both me and my gf can see it
Jan 14 21:38:31 * halfhalo is trying to find the best system for templating in node
Jan 14 21:38:52 <Tibfib> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg11glsBW4Y
Jan 14 21:41:26 <SineOt> Do people really have that poor of peripheral vision that they can't tell where they're walking?
Jan 14 21:41:54 <SineOt> I mean like bumps in the sidewalk from a tree where it's only like a half inch, yeah, I've caught myself on them before but a FOUNTAIN?
Jan 14 21:42:09 <Tibfib> haha
Jan 14 21:42:43 <SineOt> how do you miss something like that
Jan 14 21:42:55 <SineOt> it's like what, 15 feet wide and a foot something tall?
Jan 14 21:42:58 <Rick_work> if you're thinking about something else, and your eyes are directed inward, you can walk into a wall.
Jan 14 21:43:01 <Rick_work> I've DONE that.
Jan 14 21:43:09 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 14 21:43:25 <Tibfib> I jumped into a fountain when I was like 6. I thought it was empty
Jan 14 21:43:31 <SineOt> when you say directed inward all I can think of is watching the backs of your eyelids lol
Jan 14 21:44:19 <Tibfib> heh I know it's possible. Just funny when it happens :)
Jan 14 21:44:28 <Rick_work> you really don't get so absorbed in your thoughts that you don't SEE anything? Happens to me all the time.  I will be at my desk, and someone will walk in, and sometimes they will have to touch my shoulder to bring me up out of wherever I was.
Jan 14 21:44:47 <Tibfib> not usually
Jan 14 21:45:03 <Rick_work> huh.
Jan 14 21:45:08 <dgathright> halfhalo: have you checked out Mustache?
Jan 14 21:45:47 <dgathright> seems to be the most popular Node.js templating library.
Jan 14 21:45:51 <halfhalo> not what I want
Jan 14 21:46:01 <dawm> bad ass
Jan 14 21:46:03 <SineOt> even when texting and like, REALLY texting, etc, I still catch stuff in my peripheral vision before I hit it
Jan 14 21:46:03 <dawm> http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/01/500x_generation-v-dodge-viper-logo2.jpg
Jan 14 21:46:03 <Rick_work> I build -very- complex data structures in my mind sometimes looking for the flaw.  Rotating them, looking at the way the links hook up.  Pick it up by this node and see if it tangles, etc.
Jan 14 21:46:06 <dawm> new viper logo
Jan 14 21:46:15 <halfhalo> Aiming for something like erb from ruby
Jan 14 21:46:36 <SineOt> the exception being sidewalk lifts from trees since they're small enough that I can't pick them up prior to catching my foot on them
Jan 14 21:46:45 <halfhalo> thinking I'm going to use https://github.com/graphnode/node-template and then mix in my own stuff
Jan 14 21:46:47 <SineOt> well, I don't get THAT absorbed in thoughts. At least not while walking
Jan 14 21:46:52 <SineOt> that kind of stuff gets the shower
Jan 14 21:47:00 <Tibfib> heh yeah. shower and bed
Jan 14 21:47:30 <SineOt> I try not to think in bed, because anything I come up with ends up leaking out my ears and disappears
Jan 14 21:47:51 * Tibfib has come up with the best app ideas while falling asleep
Jan 14 21:47:59 <Tibfib> well like features in my apps
Jan 14 21:48:33 <Tibfib> hmm, anyone download the phnx app?
Jan 14 21:49:21 <halfhalo> or just try to completely roll my own
Jan 14 21:49:50 <dgathright> halfhalo: Not familiar with erb (just looked it up though).  You could try writing your own library using a heredoc hack. https://github.com/drgath/cornify/blob/master/lib/cornify.js =P
Jan 14 21:50:13 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 14 21:50:37 <dgathright> unicorns ftw
Jan 14 21:50:38 <Tibfib> it's kind of silly that a dev copied wp7
Jan 14 21:51:15 <SineOt> Tibfib: link?
Jan 14 21:51:26 <halfhalo> It would be really easy to make something that replaced stuff in html with stuff from an object, but I want to embed functions as well
Jan 14 21:51:27 <Tibfib> http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/index.php?packageid=com.prettyappmachine.phnx.beta
Jan 14 21:51:53 <MetaView> Tibfib: I did
Jan 14 21:52:00 <Tibfib> MetaView: thoughts?
Jan 14 21:52:14 <MetaView> well, not my twitter client
Jan 14 21:52:26 <MetaView> but nice UI in general
Jan 14 21:52:31 <MetaView> fast
Jan 14 21:52:32 <Tibfib> I like the popup for viewing details..
Jan 14 21:52:34 <b0bben_> alright, thx for the survey ppl, guess Plex client for webos is nothing to put my time on
Jan 14 21:52:36 <Tibfib> viewing a tweet
Jan 14 21:52:38 <MetaView> popup?
Jan 14 21:52:51 <MetaView> well, that's quite standard or?
Jan 14 21:53:06 <Tibfib> most apps have a submenu popup or launch a scene
Jan 14 21:53:12 <MetaView> right
Jan 14 21:53:15 <Tibfib> this pops up a dashboard style thing
Jan 14 21:53:26 <MetaView> this is more like a dialog
Jan 14 21:53:33 <Tibfib> err, that's what I meant
Jan 14 21:53:48 <MetaView> but it still jumps the timeline
Jan 14 21:53:51 <Tibfib> no profiel view it seems
Jan 14 21:54:01 <MetaView> not much functions implemented
Jan 14 21:54:11 <Tibfib> shmeh, looking forward to trying out carbon
Jan 14 21:54:39 <MetaView> I'm sure I need to write my own
Jan 14 21:54:53 <SineOt> b0bben_: if you're going to make a Plex client, surveying on people watching TV shows, etc would probably be a better question
Jan 14 21:55:02 <SineOt> I don't watch movies, but I do stream TV sometimes :p
Jan 14 21:55:09 <b0bben_> ok
Jan 14 21:55:12 <SineOt> one of them is 23 minutes, the other is 2 hours
Jan 14 21:55:37 <Tibfib> MetaView: please don't. we have enough
Jan 14 21:56:10 <Tibfib> there are too many good devs making twitter clients.. we need OTHER good apps
Jan 14 21:56:10 <MetaView> but none I like to use
Jan 14 21:56:57 <MetaView> At the moment I'm happy with 2TwitMe in Classic, but with 2.0, when Classic stops working, I need one which don't move the timeline, which shows a real timestamp on tweets
Jan 14 21:56:59 * SineOt writes an ANTITWITTER client, requires you to type more than 140 characters, posts bits randomly of what you type to Facebook, rest of the content posts to the casual encounters board on Craigslist
Jan 14 21:57:18 <MetaView> and maybe even has buttons to go from tweet to tweet
Jan 14 21:57:46 <MetaView> Tibfib: I wrote a lot of other apps already
Jan 14 21:58:00 <Tibfib> hehe, good idea SineOt
Jan 14 21:59:13 <SineOt> maybe I'll actually code something today
Jan 14 21:59:37 * Tibfib is about to
Jan 14 21:59:42 <Tibfib> adding a just type search inside koto
Jan 14 21:59:59 <Tibfib> bbiab
Jan 14 22:32:33 <Tibfib> lol http://w3fools.com/
Jan 14 22:34:38 <Tibfib> a
Jan 14 22:34:54 <Tibfib> a lot of the things are really picky and not a big deal. Somethings are kind of bad..
Jan 14 22:43:10 <Tibfib> eh. the js stuff is worse than html
Jan 14 22:49:20 * Tibfib unbookmarks w3schools and bookmarks mozilla docs
Jan 14 22:49:57 <dohtem> Tibfib: the mozilla javascript docs are amazing
Jan 14 22:50:05 <Tibfib> yeah, never used em before lol
Jan 14 22:50:14 <Tibfib> well a couple times in searches but not much
Jan 14 22:54:04 <Tibfib> nice! http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=10734
Jan 14 22:55:52 <dohtem> http://www.webosworld.com/2011/01/14/are-webos-its-apps-too-elegant-to-be-intuitive/  -- pretty good read
Jan 14 22:56:28 <dohtem> Tibfib: I noticed it the other day too
Jan 14 22:57:22 <SineOt> I have a feeling that "the scrolling button bar at the bottom of Bad Kitty’s screen" doesn't have any visual cues that you can actually scroll it
Jan 14 22:58:58 <Tibfib> it doesn't
Jan 14 22:59:05 * Tibfib just found out you could do that too
Jan 14 22:59:49 <SineOt> then that hardly counts as "elegant" :/
Jan 14 23:00:27 <SineOt> it counts as "useless fluff over function!"
Jan 14 23:01:03 <dohtem> see, this is why my apps are simple.  Not because I am a talentless hack or anything!
Jan 14 23:01:14 * dohtem eyes ground 
Jan 14 23:02:15 <Tibfib> hmm, so in koto you can do a swipe up on the album art to go to a "card view" of album art..   how could I let users know? A popup on first use?
Jan 14 23:02:37 <SineOt> hey, anyone here made their own widgets before? I thought about making a snap index display widget but have no idea where to start
Jan 14 23:02:46 * Tibfib has made his own
Jan 14 23:02:58 <Tibfib> snap index display ?
Jan 14 23:03:14 <rwhitby> Tibfib: based on all the webos-internals app splash screens, no-one reads pop-ups on first use
Jan 14 23:03:41 <Tibfib> rwhitby: what do you mean?
Jan 14 23:04:31 <SineOt> yeah, where your scroller has a snap set up... and it displays what index you're on within the scroller
Jan 14 23:04:37 <rwhitby> "How do I search in Preware" is a common question, and it is explicitly answered in the splash screen, on which we explicitly delay the appearance of the "Continue" button for 5 seconds to make people read it.
Jan 14 23:04:39 <SineOt> mostly only useful for horizontal scrollers
Jan 14 23:04:45 <Tibfib> rwhitby: gotcha
Jan 14 23:05:17 <Tibfib> SineOt: umm, that's not really worth a widget unless you are going to do something fancy with it
Jan 14 23:05:46 <SineOt> Tibfib: what else would you call something stupid simply that can get copy pasted in to someone's app easily?
Jan 14 23:06:22 <Tibfib> hm ?
Jan 14 23:06:56 <SineOt> Widget just sounded like a good name to reference it by :p
Jan 14 23:07:34 <Tibfib> I'm still confused by your question
Jan 14 23:09:17 <SineOt> "Bit of code that is easy to copy paste for other people to use and set up" = ???
Jan 14 23:09:25 <SineOt> I thought setting it up as a widget would be fine
Jan 14 23:10:41 <Tibfib> oh, you could do a widget I guess. But it would be harder.. since it is listening to the scroller widget
Jan 14 23:11:15 <SineOt> Hmm.
Jan 14 23:11:52 <Tibfib> you just need the listener function to get the index, then a function to update the counter...
Jan 14 23:12:11 <Tibfib> which could still be in the same function
Jan 14 23:13:04 <SineOt> Which is basically what I have now. I just don't know if it'd be useful to anyone else. :p
Jan 14 23:13:21 <SineOt> The scroller is really, really, really stupid. Doesn't have an event for on snap
Jan 14 23:13:58 <Tibfib> you cou
Jan 14 23:14:21 <Tibfib> ld add it to webos101.com under the scroller widget
Jan 14 23:14:38 <SineOt> what I do is start a short timer (like 400ms) that fires on snap end, then calculates the index, and updates the display off that
Jan 14 23:15:25 <Tibfib> paste ittt
Jan 14 23:15:36 <Tibfib> to webos101.com!
Jan 14 23:15:44 <SineOt> let me make it clean and not ugggglyyyyy
Jan 14 23:16:24 <Tibfib> I'm about to make a custom widget that makes other custom widgets
Jan 14 23:16:50 <SineOt> Could you make a custom widget that makes custom widgets that make other custom widgets?
Jan 14 23:16:59 <Tibfib> if I was good enough
Jan 14 23:17:51 <dohtem> a Y Combinator for widgets!
Jan 14 23:18:01 <SineOt> but first, nap
Jan 14 23:21:42 <leiru> hi
Jan 14 23:21:59 <leiru> i found a quite silly bug in developer center.
Jan 14 23:22:29 <leiru> they not let change me my emailadress. lol?!
Jan 14 23:22:47 <leiru> <- did not receive a mail for feb 09
Jan 14 23:23:06 <leiru> so i wanted to change, i assume, my mailbox was full @ this time
Jan 14 23:28:22 <semprance> leiru: http://j.mp/gK1rmR
Jan 14 23:53:13 <leiru> semprance: thx, but i just want to change my email now. *gnah*
Jan 14 23:53:52 <leiru> new box has much more space.
Jan 14 23:56:10 <dohtem> email PDC
Jan 15 00:03:30 <Tibfib> can you do var blah = switch(anothervar){case "d" ....  ret
Jan 15 00:03:53 <Tibfib> var blah = switch(anothervar){case "d" ....  return "hi" break; }; or so?
Jan 15 00:05:35 <bpadalino> var blah = anothervar == "d" ? "hi" : anothervar == "e" ? "ho!" : "i have no idea" ;
Jan 15 00:06:13 <Tibfib> yeah, afraid of that
Jan 15 00:06:15 <Tibfib> thanks
Jan 15 00:21:53 <linuxman410> i have been trying to do the webdoctor has been downloading all day still not done
Jan 15 00:25:36 <linuxman410> been trying to install preware but webdoctor has been downloading all day still at 46 percent does phone have to be hooked up while it is downloading
Jan 15 00:26:34 <Tibfib> linuxman410: #webos-internals
Jan 15 00:26:49 <linuxman410> i am there
Jan 15 00:26:57 <Tibfib> and that's not normal.. and I don't think you need to be plugged in
Jan 15 00:43:11 <Tibfib> can apps using the "jo" framework or other frameworks use the app menu?
Jan 15 00:48:36 <linuxman410> how do i put my phone in development mode
Jan 15 00:50:02 <Tibfib> http://install.preware.org
Jan 15 00:57:17 <linuxman410> i follow instructions blue arrow is there but nothing else but install button
Jan 15 00:57:53 <linuxman410> what do i do now
Jan 15 01:00:06 <Tibfib> ask in #webos-internals, that's what it's for
Jan 15 01:00:08 <linuxman410> if nothing is there how do i install preware
Jan 15 01:00:56 <Tibfib> linuxman410: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install step 5
Jan 15 01:01:15 <rwhitby> linuxman410: the support forum for WebOS Quick Install is at http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-14-a.html
Jan 15 01:01:35 <rwhitby> alternatively, you can use one of the other installation methods.
Jan 15 01:02:53 * halfhalo misses the days of a minimum intelligence level for irc
Jan 15 01:07:38 <linuxman410> tried the standalone mode does not even download
Jan 15 01:08:03 * halfhalo just downloaded it
Jan 15 01:09:28 <linuxman410> i click on standalone and it says not found
Jan 15 01:09:51 <halfhalo> whats the url
Jan 15 01:10:23 <linuxman410> http://get.preware.org/PrewareInstaller-1.1.0.jar
Jan 15 01:11:06 <halfhalo> where did you get that url from?
Jan 15 01:11:46 <halfhalo> its pointing to an old version, should be http://get.preware.org/PrewareInstaller-1.5.0.jar
Jan 15 01:11:46 <linuxman410> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install here
Jan 15 01:13:01 * rwhitby updates the wiki page to not point to specific versions, at the risk of people saying "I can't find PrewareInstaller-X.Y.Z.jar in that area" ...
Jan 15 01:13:25 <Tibfib> the stand alone downloader is not available for linux. (according to the wiki)
Jan 15 01:13:26 * halfhalo noticed... he was trying to do the same
Jan 15 01:14:08 <linuxman410> i am on a mac right now
Jan 15 01:14:17 <Tibfib> I thought you only used linux?
Jan 15 01:14:35 <linuxman410> this is my wife's computer
Jan 15 01:14:40 <Tibfib> hah, just messing with you :)
Jan 15 01:15:20 * rwhitby wonders why that says "Mac and PC", since "PC" is not an operating system
Jan 15 01:20:08 <destinal> rwhitby: mac isn't either.
Jan 15 01:20:41 <destinal> rwhitby: and I'd argue a mac is just a specific type of PC
Jan 15 01:20:56 <rwhitby> indeed
Jan 15 01:21:08 <linuxman410> my updates say mac has newer version of java could that be stopping it cause it not installed
Jan 15 01:21:09 <linuxman410> my mac says it has a java update could that stop it from installing
Jan 15 01:22:10 * halfhalo still will call them mac and pc because people know the difference
Jan 15 01:27:49 <linuxman410> the java is already 1.6 on this mac
Jan 15 02:08:07 <linuxman410> tried to run without virtual box it says i need virtual box
Jan 15 02:08:31 <SineOt> What did you try to run? The SDK?
Jan 15 02:08:38 <SineOt> If you have the SDK it's a .pkg isn't it?
Jan 15 02:08:39 <linuxman410> yes
Jan 15 02:08:58 <SineOt> If all else fails: http://www.charlessoft.com/
Jan 15 02:09:01 <SineOt> Pacifist it
Jan 15 02:09:25 <linuxman410> it installed 2 programs on the mac palm inspector and palm emulator
Jan 15 02:10:25 <SineOt> Those, naturally, require the full thing.
Jan 15 02:10:38 <SineOt> [17:51] destinal: linuxman410: install sdk,    download the preware ipk,   from command line cd to wherever the ipk is and     palm-install preware*ipk
Jan 15 02:11:06 <SineOt> Fire up terminal, cd to the folder with the Preware IPK in it, run palm-install <preware.ipk goes here>
Jan 15 02:12:54 <SineOt> hey mattsmcnulty
Jan 15 02:13:02 <mattsmcnulty> hola
Jan 15 02:13:41 * SineOt not so subtly mentions that the scroller widget, if it exists in Enyo, really should have an "onSnap" event. :p
Jan 15 02:13:55 <mattsmcnulty> onsnap?
Jan 15 02:14:10 <SineOt> Event that fires after it's snapped to its snapIndex item.
Jan 15 02:14:11 * halfhalo wants an ohsnap
Jan 15 02:14:15 <SineOt> Since I can't find one!
Jan 15 02:14:17 <mattsmcnulty> ah
Jan 15 02:14:21 <mattsmcnulty> ok
Jan 15 02:14:26 <mattsmcnulty> will add it to the list
Jan 15 02:14:46 <SineOt> There's scroll end, but that fires before it's snapped, so you end up with like... 240 pixels over, even though your scroller just snapped to 320 pixels
Jan 15 02:15:07 * Tibfib wants it too
Jan 15 02:15:12 <SineOt> mattsmcnulty: <3
Jan 15 02:15:15 <Tibfib> and an "endScroll" event
Jan 15 02:15:22 <Tibfib> that would be awesome too
Jan 15 02:15:30 <halfhalo> what about a printmoney event?
Jan 15 02:15:39 * dgathright just wants Enyo, period. :)
Jan 15 02:15:40 <Tibfib> that too!
Jan 15 02:15:40 <mattsmcnulty> I just IM'd Scott requesting it
Jan 15 02:15:54 <mattsmcnulty> so what are you trying to do when the scroll reaches the end, or snaps
Jan 15 02:16:28 <Tibfib> if you have an indicator of what the snap index is you have to rig it to check after the end of a scroll
Jan 15 02:17:05 * oil does it this way
Jan 15 02:17:13 <mattsmcnulty> it wont be that hard to essentially "subclass" the scroller to to whatever you want, just fyi
Jan 15 02:17:28 <Tibfib> that's true. but a method would be nicer-er
Jan 15 02:17:39 <mattsmcnulty> yup, just saying, enyo makes stuff like this pretty easy
Jan 15 02:17:52 <Tibfib> sweet
Jan 15 02:18:32 <linuxman410> where do i get preware.ipk
Jan 15 02:20:52 <oil> for pre? http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/
Jan 15 02:21:13 <dgathright> Fact: Chuck Norris created Enyo is his own image.
Jan 15 02:21:23 <oil> lol
Jan 15 02:21:26 <dgathright> Fact: Enyo apps actually code themselves
Jan 15 02:21:36 <mattsmcnulty> heh
Jan 15 02:22:06 <mattsmcnulty> it is just a js framework. has some neat things, but mostly forms the basis for a lot to come, with a solid foundation
Jan 15 02:22:07 <dgathright> Fact: Enyo is actually short for "En yo face Apple!"
Jan 15 02:22:17 * oil can't wait to see more about enyo
Jan 15 02:22:51 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: when was it decided to ditch mojo and go with enyo ?
Jan 15 02:22:53 <mattsmcnulty> oil: then come to MWC or the feb 9 events ;-)
Jan 15 02:22:54 <linuxman410> do i need version 1.5
Jan 15 02:23:02 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: enyo will have replacements for app menus and dashboards and banners? correct?
Jan 15 02:23:05 <oil> aww
Jan 15 02:23:10 <dgathright> mattsmcnulty: LIES!  Enyo is the Alpha and Omega.  The beginning and the end.  Nothing comes after Enyo.  It is perfect.
Jan 15 02:23:19 <mattsmcnulty> bpadalino: a few seconds after I took over the framework team
Jan 15 02:23:23 <bpadalino> wow!
Jan 15 02:23:31 <oil> lol
Jan 15 02:23:33 <bpadalino> you have some pretty harsh hatred for mojo ?
Jan 15 02:23:36 * dgathright hopes he isn't hyping it up to much
Jan 15 02:23:43 <mattsmcnulty> Tibfib: yes, everything mojo did enyo also has to do
Jan 15 02:23:51 <Tibfib> good!
Jan 15 02:24:02 <Tibfib> can jo apps have app menus?
Jan 15 02:24:03 <mattsmcnulty> I don't hate mojo - it was an incredible achievement
Jan 15 02:25:08 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: on a somewhat related note, is jquery mobile anywhere on your radar that you work with much or not really ?
Jan 15 02:25:08 <mattsmcnulty> my team has a lot of prior js framework experience, so we had made up our minds about mojo pretty early on
Jan 15 02:25:29 <mattsmcnulty> jqtouch you mean?
Jan 15 02:25:31 <dgathright> what frameworks?
Jan 15 02:25:39 <mattsmcnulty> dgathright: dojo
Jan 15 02:25:40 <dgathright> public ones?
Jan 15 02:25:48 <mattsmcnulty> we're all dojo guys
Jan 15 02:25:48 <dgathright> ah
Jan 15 02:26:10 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: sure - if that's what it's called .. http://jquerymobile.com/ ?
Jan 15 02:26:28 <dgathright> Dojo is cool.  Peter Higgins is da man.
Jan 15 02:27:06 <mattsmcnulty> jqtouch is fine and all. it is my experience that adapting desktop browser frameworks for mobile leads to compromises
Jan 15 02:27:15 <SineOt> mattsmcnulty: I'm trying to update a little bauble thing that shows what index you're currently on, since I'm using a side to side scroller that's a full screen width wide
Jan 15 02:27:17 <mattsmcnulty> mobile devices have far more limitations
Jan 15 02:27:32 <SineOt> basically iPhone home screen style dots updating as you swipe side to side
Jan 15 02:27:58 <mattsmcnulty> it isn't just about jettisoning IE support, etc. you have to actually really pay attention to what types of core javascript constructs are slower or faster
Jan 15 02:28:03 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: so you feel it's probably a bit much for a fluid mobile experience ?
Jan 15 02:28:18 <mattsmcnulty> I don't really have an opinion on jquery
Jan 15 02:28:24 <mattsmcnulty> I haven't used it enough
Jan 15 02:28:42 <mattsmcnulty> we want other frameworks to work well on webOS, but for best experience use enyo
Jan 15 02:28:56 <dgathright> Fact: Enyo does not support try/catch because it does not generate errors.  Errors automatically fix themselves.
Jan 15 02:29:14 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: are you in charge of the team doing the node.js work as well ?
Jan 15 02:29:19 <mattsmcnulty> yes
Jan 15 02:29:29 <mattsmcnulty> essentially everything js
Jan 15 02:30:05 <bpadalino> do you feel you'll be able to keep up with the breakneck speed that node.js is being developed ?
Jan 15 02:30:29 <mattsmcnulty> yes
Jan 15 02:30:40 <Tibfib> nice
Jan 15 02:30:41 <mattsmcnulty> we're in pretty close contact with them
Jan 15 02:30:54 <dgathright> Fact: Douglas Crockford once told JSLint to generate the perfect app.  53 ms later it produced Enyo.
Jan 15 02:31:16 <dgathright> (don't mind me, I'm just amusing myself)
Jan 15 02:31:26 <bpadalino> have you thought about using npm as well for third party modules - or have a way for third party modules to be included with apps themselves ?
Jan 15 02:32:01 <SineOt> I'm fairly sure they've said no to npm, and I'm also fairly sure you can bundle a Node module with your app without much issue. How to do that though I have no idea!
Jan 15 02:32:38 <dgathright> FYI, How to NPM on webOS. http://derekville.net/2010/installing-npm-on-webos/
Jan 15 02:32:45 <mattsmcnulty> enyo has a pretty extensive packaging concept
Jan 15 02:32:52 * halfhalo lulz at some of the comments in ares
Jan 15 02:33:10 <dgathright> and yeah, NPM for webOS doesn't quite make sense IMO.  All the modules should already be bundled with the app at distribution.
Jan 15 02:33:25 <mattsmcnulty> enyo is really about app UI, node is about "server" stuff. while they can share a lot, end up having a lot of differences as a result
Jan 15 02:33:31 * halfhalo may have part of a bridge between the npm repo and preware done
Jan 15 02:33:41 <mattsmcnulty> halfhalo: what comments?
Jan 15 02:33:46 <mattsmcnulty> we can be pretty funny at times
Jan 15 02:33:55 <Tibfib> heh
Jan 15 02:33:56 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: this is probably not your area, but the github account, while a nice idea, always seems stagnant .. is there any talk about actually having that be more useful overall .. or does it just sit in the background?
Jan 15 02:34:19 <halfhalo>  http://get.preware.org/PrewareInstaller-1.5.0.jar
Jan 15 02:34:22 <halfhalo> dammit
Jan 15 02:34:25 <halfhalo> wrong paste
Jan 15 02:34:26 <mattsmcnulty> I believe that was a ben and dion thing, so I am not sure. devrel handles most of that
Jan 15 02:34:48 <mattsmcnulty> I do the sdk and tools and stuff, but the rest of the dev-facing stuff is them
Jan 15 02:34:58 <halfhalo>  /*jslint evil: true */
Jan 15 02:35:07 <mattsmcnulty> ha, is that in there?
Jan 15 02:35:10 <dgathright> Fact: Enyo does not come with comments, because the code even makes sense to non-programmers.
Jan 15 02:35:13 <ajay> howdy!
Jan 15 02:35:16 <halfhalo> in more than one file
Jan 15 02:35:20 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 15 02:35:20 <mattsmcnulty> funny
Jan 15 02:35:47 * Tibfib is excited for enyo
Jan 15 02:35:50 <mattsmcnulty> I was expecting a /*FIXME: WTF?*/
Jan 15 02:35:55 <ajay> so, is it just me, or is anyone else wondering if the VzPre2 delay is related to a possible radio change?
Jan 15 02:36:09 <Tibfib> lol
Jan 15 02:36:14 <bpadalino> evil is an option to allow eval it seems
Jan 15 02:36:36 <SineOt> ajay: I think it's more just VZW being VZW
Jan 15 02:36:38 * halfhalo doesn't use it
Jan 15 02:36:47 <Tibfib> I've noticed some funny comments in the stock apps and framework
Jan 15 02:37:00 <mattsmcnulty> what is the logic behind the idea that a radio change would be occurring?
Jan 15 02:37:04 <ajay> SineOt: Was the + way delayed then?
Jan 15 02:37:29 <SineOt> ajay: no, but at that point VZW hadn't had a Palm device in ages and was going in all "YEAH! COOL! AWESOME!"
Jan 15 02:37:31 * halfhalo was looking for the applet that talks to novacom
Jan 15 02:37:43 <ajay> mattsmcnulty: mainly timing..
Jan 15 02:37:48 <mattsmcnulty> halfhalo: what?
Jan 15 02:38:03 <halfhalo> long story that shall wait until after tv show!
Jan 15 02:38:03 <Tibfib> ajay: palm isn't known for hustling
Jan 15 02:38:16 <SineOt> ajay: and I don't think they're all "YEAH! COOL! AWESOME!" now, so it wouldn't surprise me to see foot dragging on VZW's part while they pimp the iPhone and LTE
Jan 15 02:38:25 <Tibfib> well. At least we don't "feel" the hustling :)
Jan 15 02:38:32 <ajay> Tibfib: true..
Jan 15 02:39:02 <ajay> SineOt: haha.. maybe.. it would help rumor-mongering if we had the ability to know who was creating the delay, or how
Jan 15 02:39:03 <ajay> :)
Jan 15 02:39:19 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: does it feel like a glacial pace inside of hp/palm .. or does it feel like you're moving faster than lightning ?
Jan 15 02:39:26 * SineOt puts a few bottle caps and a bit of string on VZW.
Jan 15 02:39:45 <SineOt> Because really, think about it. Pre 2... Or iPhone 4... Or LTE. Which one is going to get the most attention, and which the least?
Jan 15 02:39:50 <mattsmcnulty> in general in my career it has never felt like we are moving any slower than the fastest possible speed
Jan 15 02:39:59 <ajay> SineOt: does Verizon have limited resources? I never thought so.. ;^)
Jan 15 02:40:09 <mattsmcnulty> business requirements dictate all possible speed
Jan 15 02:40:13 <bpadalino> mattsmcnulty: interesting way you put it
Jan 15 02:40:24 <SineOt> Everything has limited resources, some of the limits are just higher than they are for other companies
Jan 15 02:40:34 <Loudergood> ajay: especially since they jettisoned all their rural landlines
Jan 15 02:41:26 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: is the HP aquisition "done"? or are you still getting HP people up to pace and such?
Jan 15 02:41:41 <mattsmcnulty> not sure what you mean
Jan 15 02:41:50 <Tibfib> acquisition. :)
Jan 15 02:42:15 <SineOt> Does it feel like two companies working in the same building, or one cohesive unit is what he's getting at I think
Jan 15 02:42:21 <Tibfib> yeah
Jan 15 02:42:26 <Tibfib> better way to ask it
Jan 15 02:43:11 <ajay> this Palm employee told me how, pretty much HP's first move in Palm was to get rid of the thursday keg.
Jan 15 02:43:14 <ajay> Mass exodus followed
Jan 15 02:43:32 <bpadalino> thursday keg ?
Jan 15 02:43:33 <oil> lol
Jan 15 02:43:37 <mattsmcnulty> huh, I was unaware we had a thursday keg. that would have been nice
Jan 15 02:43:44 <Tibfib> LOL
Jan 15 02:43:52 <Tibfib> oops. wasn't supposed to be capsed
Jan 15 02:44:05 * Tibfib leans on his keyboard way tooo much
Jan 15 02:44:05 <ajay> mattsmcnulty: is that not true?  That was an HP employee that told me, i didn't verify with any palm employees
Jan 15 02:44:40 <mattsmcnulty> not sure how to answer your questions. webos wasn't something hp was doing before so it isn't like there was this big merging of teams. but there is a lot of integration. dont think I can really say any more than that
Jan 15 02:44:51 <mattsmcnulty> ajay: I can't answer random rumors
Jan 15 02:45:09 <mattsmcnulty> I can tell you we had no thursday keg, at least anywhere near my org
Jan 15 02:45:19 <bpadalino> integration sounds good .. nice and squiggly
Jan 15 02:45:37 <ajay> weird
Jan 15 02:45:50 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: sounds good
Jan 15 02:46:36 * dgathright has a thursday keg everyday of the week
Jan 15 02:46:43 <bpadalino> ∫hp dpalm
Jan 15 02:47:19 <gkatsev> what does that equal?
Jan 15 02:47:24 <bpadalino> we'll see on feb 9th
Jan 15 02:47:36 <gkatsev> heh
Jan 15 02:47:38 <ajay> haha
Jan 15 02:47:38 <bpadalino> :)
Jan 15 02:47:51 * oil needs to get a job where they have thursday keg
Jan 15 02:47:52 <gkatsev> bpadalino: that deserves a tweet.
Jan 15 02:47:57 <bpadalino> go for it
Jan 15 02:48:42 <gkatsev> http://twitter.com/#!/akumu/status/26107232886194176
Jan 15 02:49:20 <bpadalino> tells me it doesn't exist!
Jan 15 02:49:57 <ajay> damn, I'm usually _so_ obsessed with removing Amazon MP3 and others from my device, but just realized that amazon has free songs avail! wow..
Jan 15 02:50:20 <dgathright> I'm out.  have a good weekend everyone
Jan 15 02:50:47 <gkatsev> haha, link fail
Jan 15 02:51:00 <gkatsev> http://twitter.com/#!/gkatsev/status/26107232886194176 that should be better
Jan 15 02:51:10 <bpadalino> excellent
Jan 15 02:51:17 <gkatsev> I changed my username today
Jan 15 02:51:29 <bpadalino> that'll happen
Jan 15 02:51:53 <gkatsev> anyway, i bbl, gf is here
Jan 15 02:54:45 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: is prototype still included in enyo? or can you not say until feb?
Jan 15 02:55:01 <mattsmcnulty> prototype isn't even in mojo anymore in webos 2
Jan 15 02:55:11 <mattsmcnulty> so no, it isn't
Jan 15 02:55:18 <Tibfib> oh really?
Jan 15 02:55:30 <mattsmcnulty> there is no underlying framework in enyo - enyo has a core and then a widget set on top of it
Jan 15 02:55:32 <Tibfib> hmm. I use lots of protoype methods in my apps, they seem to work
Jan 15 02:55:47 <mattsmcnulty> you are still using the mojo version from previously
Jan 15 02:56:10 <mattsmcnulty> there is a mojo 2 in webos 2, but it is just a mild update, and gets rid of prototype in favor of underscore
Jan 15 02:56:10 <ajay> what's prototype
Jan 15 02:56:19 <Tibfib> oh gotcha
Jan 15 02:56:24 <Tibfib> so it won't affect anything
Jan 15 02:56:39 <mattsmcnulty> nope
Jan 15 02:58:16 <mattsmcnulty> Tibfib: what app(s) are yours in the catalog
Jan 15 02:58:38 <Tibfib> umm, just Countdown Puzzles. but I've been working on mojo messenger and Koto Player
Jan 15 02:58:48 <mattsmcnulty> cool. was just curious
Jan 15 02:59:56 * SineOt can't wait for Node proper to hit for everyone, because it means UDP broadcast and TCP sockets and so much fancy stuff.
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