**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 16 02:59:58 2011 Jan 16 03:33:20 Hey. I am a n00b at this whole developing thing. And I am trying to figure out why my "helloWorld" app isn't behaving properly. I am trying the inspector but it is telling me that there is no such file or directory. Here is what it says: palm-inspector: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.38: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jan 16 03:37:33 Help? Jan 16 03:37:50 destinal? Jan 16 03:38:01 Minchkin: ? Jan 16 03:51:34 inspector doesn't work very well, don't worry about it Jan 16 03:53:03 Tibfib: 64-bit? Jan 16 03:53:31 destinal: I have 64 bit.. but I don't think the inspector works very well anywhere Jan 16 03:54:01 well the libs shouldn't be not found, you may have to find / install them Jan 16 03:54:15 Tibfib: if you have 64 bit you need to install the ia32 libs Jan 16 03:54:27 That's what I was wondering if Minchkin had done Jan 16 03:54:32 oh, gotcha. mine would launch, I don't remember installing those libs. Jan 16 03:55:28 But I am using ubuntu... What? Jan 16 03:55:51 Minchkin: 64 bit or 32 bit ubuntu? Jan 16 03:55:58 ohh. I'm kind of out of it. Jan 16 03:56:20 * Tibfib has only installed the sdk on windows Jan 16 03:56:58 Minchkin: honestly, you shouldn't worry about getting the inspector to work.. If other things don't work too, then I would worry.. Jan 16 03:57:55 I followed the instructions letter-by-letter. But the app still isn't running in the emulator Jan 16 03:58:18 And that is why I am worried Jan 16 03:59:22 I don't know if it is 32 or 64. I have no clue how to run aroun on Ubuntu. Got it a month ago Jan 16 04:00:30 okay, that's something to worry about Jan 16 04:07:50 * oil never uses the inspector :/ Jan 16 04:08:00 lies Jan 16 04:09:57 * halfhalo is confusing himself with node Jan 16 04:12:06 * halfhalo wants to just write html but he got jade working and thats new fancyness Jan 16 04:15:06 halfhalo! are you home? Jan 16 04:15:16 mebe Jan 16 04:15:32 hah. Jan 16 04:21:51 Yeah. That IS something to worry about. And that is why I am bugging the otherwise solitary #webOS channel Jan 16 04:25:17 http://twitter.com/#!/IngloriousApps/status/26492567579271168 - ouch! Jan 16 04:25:28 yeah, no kidding Jan 16 04:25:52 I hope koto does better than that Jan 16 04:26:04 what happen! Jan 16 04:26:16 * torchie link Jan 16 04:26:51 just type > play song is definately nice Jan 16 04:28:12 I think I have a decent product, just afraid the market is too small Jan 16 04:28:23 What is it? Jan 16 04:28:32 http://www.kotoplayer.com/ Jan 16 04:28:37 but being there as it grows++ Jan 16 04:28:52 yeah, that's what I'm hoping Jan 16 04:29:28 then again, you'll have to rewrite in enyo for tablet Jan 16 04:29:39 sigh Jan 16 04:29:46 :/ Jan 16 04:29:54 heh Jan 16 04:30:02 are you plannin on selling it? Jan 16 04:30:06 Minchkin: yep Jan 16 04:30:08 $200.00 Jan 16 04:30:20 actually, $1337 Jan 16 04:30:28 LOL! Jan 16 04:30:32 5 buyers and he'll be doing better than bad kitty Jan 16 04:30:53 no kidding. "I AM RICH Music Player" Jan 16 04:31:23 I wonder how well those "hot sexy girlz" apps sell Jan 16 04:31:35 porn always sells good Jan 16 04:31:45 * dohtem is in the wrong business Jan 16 04:31:48 THat is, after all the PURPOSE of the internet. Jan 16 04:31:57 yeah Jan 16 04:32:12 everything else was just on accident Jan 16 04:32:18 nodndo Jan 16 04:33:37 lol Jan 16 04:35:05 Tibfib: http://www.kotoplayer.com/screenshots/koto_1.png <- whats the down arrow for next to the track titles? Jan 16 04:35:25 a popup for more options Jan 16 04:35:25 What are the arrows on the right for? Jan 16 04:35:47 Oh. Lol Sorry. Didn't read dohtems question Jan 16 04:35:48 LOL Jan 16 04:35:58 to "play next", "play last", "add to playlist", or "favorite" Jan 16 04:35:59 great minds :) Jan 16 04:36:03 lol Jan 16 04:36:13 I like the way the app looks Jan 16 04:36:35 Unicorns better shit rainbows on Feb 9th. Jan 16 04:36:36 How much were you planning on selling it for? Jan 16 04:36:44 http://www.kotoplayer.com/screenshots/koto_11.png and http://www.kotoplayer.com/screenshots/koto_12.png are new and not on the site Jan 16 04:36:46 I hope so Jan 16 04:36:49 rainbow ice cream .. and everyone wants a bowl Jan 16 04:36:51 Minchkin: undecided Jan 16 04:37:02 dohtem: ++ Jan 16 04:37:13 What increments do they offer? Jan 16 04:37:32 unicorns? Jan 16 04:37:43 unicorns pooping DOUBLE rainbows. Jan 16 04:38:29 Tibfib: how long did this take you? Jan 16 04:38:37 started oct sometime Jan 16 04:38:58 hmm, earliest ipk I have is oct 30th Jan 16 04:39:12 I liked Music Remix. But it was buggy as hell... Jan 16 04:39:29 * Tibfib always liked NaNplayer more Jan 16 04:39:52 I may pay a buck for this (i am poor. :( So I have only bought one app) Jan 16 04:39:58 Palm hired that guy, right? Jan 16 04:40:02 yep Jan 16 04:40:07 What guy? Jan 16 04:40:07 nice Jan 16 04:40:12 Minchkin: probably going to charge more than a buck Jan 16 04:40:19 AWW!!!!!!!!!! Jan 16 04:40:27 if I/you remember, I'll send you a promo code Jan 16 04:40:35 heh Jan 16 04:40:35 (when they are available) Jan 16 04:40:35 ok Jan 16 04:40:50 and how did you come up with the name 'Koto'? Jan 16 04:40:54 Quickly! This looks really nice. Jan 16 04:41:02 never got to try nanplayer Jan 16 04:41:16 honestly.. I google music words. found a site with a dictionary of music words. koto was there Jan 16 04:41:24 it's a japanese instrument Jan 16 04:41:30 googled* Jan 16 04:41:54 ah... Jan 16 04:42:06 had trouble finding a name.. I had to resort to google :) Jan 16 04:42:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koto_%28musical_instrument%29 Jan 16 04:42:34 ^ heh, the sample audio sounds like something from old samurai movies Jan 16 04:43:20 heh it does Jan 16 04:43:55 Minchkin: forgot.. Koto will be open source so you can just compile it and use it Jan 16 04:44:18 won't get updates automagically, but better than nothing Jan 16 04:44:23 compile it, call it Koto+, profit! Jan 16 04:44:32 lol Jan 16 04:44:42 koto pro Jan 16 04:44:43 sad thing is someone will too Jan 16 04:45:09 that's okay, no one will be capable of updating it better than me. My code is kinda crazy :) Jan 16 04:47:17 Ooo... Yeah. See. I have been working on coding for only like, 2 days... So, if I were to crack it open, I would probably screw it up without even touching it.... Jan 16 04:50:03 soo... I am using Ares... And I would like to know how to connect things to make them work... Like, if I have a button, and someone taps it, it makes a progress bar begin to count down, and when it hits zero something else happens... So on and so forth. Jan 16 04:50:31 haven't used ares much, so not sure :/ Jan 16 04:50:38 :/ Jan 16 04:51:03 in pure mojo, you'd have the event listener call a mojo method of the other widget Jan 16 04:55:28 See... That is what I mean. My head said nothing but "whaaa???" for about three seconds. Jan 16 04:57:41 I could use the debug console in Ares to figure out why my HelloWorld app isn't working, right? Jan 16 05:01:01 probably Jan 16 05:04:34 Ok. So now I got it to work, it says this: Jan 16 05:04:38 Warning: indicated new content, but not active., palmInitFramework347:2527 Jan 16 05:04:38 com.mystuff.hello Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ) (app/assistants/first-assistant.js:55) Jan 16 05:04:38 com.mystuff.hello Warning: The scene assistant 'FirstAssistant' is not defined. Did you remember to include it in sources.json?, palmInitFramework347:2527 Jan 16 05:04:38 com.mystuff.hello Error: The scene 'first' could not be pushed because an exception occurred., palmInitFramework347:2527 Jan 16 05:04:38 com.mystuff.hello Error: Error: require Failed: The scene assistant 'FirstAssistant' is not defined. Did you remember to include it in sources.json?, line object, file undefined, palmInitFramework347:2527 Jan 16 05:05:45 you have a ) on line 55 you don't need Jan 16 05:06:08 that's what I'd guess Jan 16 05:06:22 Is that the ONLY thing wrong? Jan 16 05:06:27 Lets find out Jan 16 05:06:34 I"m betting "no" Jan 16 05:06:39 ;) Jan 16 05:06:56 I'll put 40 down on "no" Jan 16 05:07:41 want Enyo :( Jan 16 05:08:53 self induced coma for about a month should fix that Jan 16 05:09:22 * sugardave sugardave shakes his fists. Jan 16 05:09:24 doh Jan 16 05:09:30 * sugardave forgets how to use IRC. Jan 16 05:09:47 Lol Jan 16 05:10:01 lol Jan 16 05:10:03 Okay, so now I get this error. SWEET! I get 40 bucks! Jan 16 05:10:06 com.mystuff.hello Error: An exception occurred in the 'first' scene's setup() method., palmInitFramework347:2527 Jan 16 05:10:06 com.mystuff.hello Error: Error: Cannot read property 'controller' of object, line undefined, file undefined, palmInitFramework347:2527 Jan 16 05:10:22 pastebin your junk Jan 16 05:10:28 ? Jan 16 05:10:31 code Jan 16 05:10:35 tricky, somewhere you are calling this.controller, I bet and this has been lost Jan 16 05:10:42 yep Jan 16 05:10:52 paste it so we can help :) webos.pastebin.com Jan 16 05:11:39 All of it for the launch? Jan 16 05:12:04 umm, probably Jan 16 05:12:08 the first scene Jan 16 05:14:11 http://webos.pastebin.com/zsds4Kwm Jan 16 05:15:56 Minchkin: he means to paste the contents of your javascript in the first scene Jan 16 05:16:44 Oh. Ok. Give me a sec Jan 16 05:17:41 There. What have I messed up? Jan 16 05:17:55 new pastebin link? Jan 16 05:18:16 http://webos.pastebin.com/D4RtG0YZ Jan 16 05:18:34 Sorry, thought you could refresh. Lol Jan 16 05:18:46 no problem, but that still isn't correct :D Jan 16 05:19:08 I don't use Ares, but there is a something.js file, like first-scene.js or something Jan 16 05:19:14 that's what we need to see Jan 16 05:19:29 That is what I posted. Jan 16 05:19:41 :s that is HTML Jan 16 05:19:41 Oh. Javascript? Jan 16 05:19:44 yeah Jan 16 05:20:42 http://webos.pastebin.com/HX76yXL3 Jan 16 05:20:54 Give it to me straight, doc. Jan 16 05:20:56 :/ Jan 16 05:22:53 http://webos.pastebin.com/gduLNmLn Jan 16 05:23:25 your listener is all funny. that should be fixed Jan 16 05:23:53 Ok. So that this is a learning experience, what was wrong with it? Jan 16 05:24:20 you had a 9 instead of a ( and you forgot a closing parantheses Jan 16 05:24:24 definitely a typo on line 54 of the paste Jan 16 05:24:26 yeah, that Jan 16 05:24:37 so it was blah(dog, cat; Jan 16 05:24:42 instead of blah(dog, cat) Jan 16 05:25:35 Minchkin: parantheses and brackets need to always be closed Jan 16 05:26:19 Oops Jan 16 05:26:40 Yeah, I guess I lied when I said I followed it character for character. Jan 16 05:26:49 Lol. Thanks guys! Jan 16 05:26:55 it happens ;) Jan 16 05:27:04 heh, no worries Jan 16 05:28:11 On to harder tutorials! And I will pay more attention! Jan 16 05:32:40 destinal: where are you located? america ? Jan 16 05:33:13 Tibfib: indeed, in Colorado Jan 16 05:33:26 heh, you have a strange sleeping schedule :P Jan 16 05:33:46 ooo, I like Colorado Jan 16 05:33:51 and by colorado, he means thats the name of the moonbase he is at Jan 16 05:34:00 heh Jan 16 05:34:07 * Tibfib wants to retire in colorado Jan 16 05:34:14 Tibfib: I was on earlier, you remember :) this client still thought it was asleep though Jan 16 05:34:24 since I haven't touched this computer all day Jan 16 05:34:33 my uncle has a cabin in Gunnison National Forest, it is freaking awesome Jan 16 05:34:42 sugardave: nice Jan 16 05:34:57 oh, that makes sense Jan 16 05:35:03 sugardave: noice Jan 16 05:48:01 crap. there are a ton of people on facebook with the same name as the inactive twitter account whose username I want Jan 16 05:48:53 messaging the person via facebook is not an option. Jan 16 05:49:15 whats the name? Jan 16 05:49:19 Ok, another question. Jan 16 05:49:23 Nilda Molina Jan 16 05:49:53 it could be this one. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000587995300 Jan 16 05:50:09 or this one http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1013271948 Jan 16 05:50:14 or 20 others Jan 16 05:50:43 Okay, so I am doing the "Add Buttons" tutorial and I am editing the first-assistant.js Jan 16 05:51:02 Does it matter where I place the edits? Jan 16 05:51:34 depends on what you are doiing... Jan 16 05:51:49 why do you want that name? Jan 16 05:51:51 Adding a Subtract and Clear buttons Jan 16 05:51:55 Lo Jan 16 05:51:56 ll Jan 16 05:52:17 oil: because people are already metioning @kotoplayer rather than the correct @koto_player account Jan 16 05:52:29 oh Jan 16 05:52:30 lol Jan 16 05:52:36 yep. Jan 16 05:52:42 back to webos.pastebin.com? Jan 16 05:52:52 Minchkin: the javascript or html edits? Jan 16 05:52:58 Javascript Jan 16 05:53:18 what part are you wondering where it goes? Jan 16 05:53:28 Adding the buttons Jan 16 05:53:56 what PART of adding the buttons? the setup? the listeners? Jan 16 05:54:35 So I wrote in the FirstAssistant.prototype.handleA section Jan 16 05:54:48 But I just added it to the end of the script Jan 16 05:54:57 I didn't find it. Jan 16 05:55:11 and then place it into the spot Jan 16 05:55:23 sigh, my app icons suck :( Jan 16 05:55:49 Says? Jan 16 05:56:18 You? Well, you could get a second opinion on it. Jan 16 05:59:15 dell venue pro seems kinda nice Jan 16 06:00:05 Tibfib, would it matter if I left them there? Jan 16 06:00:48 oh, yeah, place for function like that don't really matter Jan 16 06:01:06 Ok Jan 16 06:01:08 Cool Jan 16 06:29:21 YAY! I ****ed something else up AGAIN! Jan 16 06:29:31 :) Jan 16 06:30:56 Ok, so I got and unexpected token. How do I go about finding it? Jan 16 06:31:47 did it give you a line number? check there first.. then just check out your code.. pasting it in jslint.com might help.. Jan 16 06:32:10 okay.. I'm going to bed. night all Jan 16 06:33:16 Oops. Line 54 again. Must have used the old file Jan 16 06:37:10 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'get' of object (app.assistants.first-assistant.js:75) What does it mean,"get"? Jan 16 06:51:37 Help? Jan 16 07:01:36 well, what does line 75 say? Jan 16 07:03:56 this.controller.stopListening(this.controller.get('ButtonSubtract"), Mojo.Event.tap,this.handleA.bind(this)); Jan 16 07:29:04 Minchkin: if you use this.controller.stopListening, the first argument should just be the string of the id, so this.controller.stopListening('ButtonSubtract', ...); Jan 16 07:31:40 Ok, what is the difference? (noob) Jan 16 07:32:31 you can either use Mojo.Event.stopListening, which takes an element (i.e. this.controller.get(elementID)) while this.controller.listen taks just the id, elementID Jan 16 07:34:54 Oh. Ok, so I changed it to reflect your changes, but I still get the same error Jan 16 07:35:53 well, basically your error is saything that the object you are executing the get method on is undefined...usually that's this.controller. Most of the time that means 'this' has been lost somehow Jan 16 07:36:35 I'm going to have to hit the bed, though, sorry :S Jan 16 07:39:01 Its ok. I will bug someone tomorrow too. Jan 16 11:22:40 giood morning Jan 16 15:31:27 sugardave: never knew the diff between this.controller.listen and Mojo.Event.listen hah Jan 16 15:34:28 morning Jan 16 15:36:43 destinal-work: morning! Jan 16 18:29:47 feb 9th palm will announce whatever they have and the next day the iphone goes on sale at Verizon taking all media spotlight. Jan 16 18:31:16 bad timing Jan 16 18:32:08 i am not sure they had a choice seeing how they announced their event before apple/vzw announced the release of the iphone on their network Jan 16 18:32:13 how would you have done it ? Jan 16 18:33:12 bomb threat Jan 16 18:34:24 still an option! Jan 16 18:34:57 i know they didn't know. it seems to be a coincidence but not a good one for Palm. Jan 16 18:36:09 eh, it is what it is .. hp has said they are in for the long haul Jan 16 18:37:35 it will be a long uphill battle. i hope they can overcome the obsticles Jan 16 18:40:11 i think hp/palm has the ability to make it good .. the UI and UX are very good (when not sluggish) .. the programming model is being simplified with enyo .. and they are going to release the new system for even their old phones (pixi may be out, but i hope they release 2.0 for pixi) .. Jan 16 18:40:45 my biggest gripe with smartphone makers nowadays is the lack of commitment for support for the length of the contract you sign when purchasing the device Jan 16 18:43:14 there hasn't even been a single leak about a new phone. I wonder how they managed to keep it such a secret. Jan 16 18:43:24 a leak would have been good though. create some buzz Jan 16 18:44:57 and take away the thunder ? Jan 16 18:46:12 what thunder? Jan 16 18:47:06 new device specs/form factor Jan 16 18:47:08 i am sure palm is losign more customers than gaining at this point Jan 16 18:48:01 but leaking information on upcoming devices won't gain them any share.. Jan 16 18:48:07 what is the value add for them to leak stuff ? Jan 16 18:48:28 create buzz. tech blogs post about it etc Jan 16 18:48:43 ... but that doesn't get them customers, does it ? Jan 16 18:48:51 or retain customers Jan 16 18:48:54 it gets people talking Jan 16 18:49:11 people that are switching might hold out a bit Jan 16 18:50:01 i doubt it Jan 16 18:50:33 probably. the pre is a hard phone to hold on to at this point Jan 16 18:51:10 it hasn't been out for 24 months .. is the original motorola droid a hard phone to hold onto? Jan 16 18:51:32 not sure but the Pre is extrememly slow Jan 16 18:51:52 slow and hardware problems. two major problems with it Jan 16 18:52:18 build quality problems, i'd say digital hardware wise, it's fine Jan 16 18:52:28 i've had mine and the wife phone replaced so many times. got tired of it Jan 16 18:53:03 i agree webos is, currently, a niche platform Jan 16 18:55:01 the hardware is what killed it if you ask me Jan 16 18:55:24 better hardware that wasn't so slow and webos would have been in a much better spot Jan 16 18:56:53 i don't know what you want me to say here Jan 16 18:57:36 it isn't dead, hp has said they are making an investment in it, there is an event on feb 9th .. Jan 16 18:57:41 i doubt it will be a funeral Jan 16 20:00:24 I am using eclipse webos plugin Jan 16 20:00:55 every time i make a change to one of the js files i get an error: "save failed. Compilation unit name must end with .java, or one of the registered java-like extensions" Jan 16 20:00:58 what gives??? Jan 16 20:37:00 the specs are good Jan 16 20:37:10 battery's pretty weak but the life is long for somthing with 1150mah Jan 16 20:37:14 but the god damn chassis Jan 16 20:38:01 I've never owned any device I've had to go through 3 of in less than a year Jan 16 20:40:19 torchie: You're holding it wrong Jan 16 20:40:24 probably Jan 16 20:41:21 :) Jan 16 20:41:23 I just hope/wish/want HP comes out with something gameboy-level durable in slate form Jan 16 21:11:56 haha gameboy level of durability...god if nintendo ever makes a phone.... Jan 16 21:12:30 it would be purple, underpowered, and sell millions Jan 16 21:13:39 and you could drive a truck over it, and the battery would last forever Jan 16 21:14:26 yup Jan 16 21:25:07 and you could trust it even after getting it as a handmedown 10 years after its release Jan 16 21:25:34 bought a gameboy color used from the swap shop in 2010 Jan 16 21:25:38 runs tetris perfectly Jan 16 21:26:23 heh Jan 16 21:26:32 i still have my original gameboy and the gameboy game genie Jan 16 21:26:34 like, nintendo needs to get into enterprise and professional products Jan 16 21:26:40 as well as a atomic purple gb color Jan 16 21:26:44 meanwhile most of these phones, while they're making leaps and bounds in design and power, are disposable Jan 16 21:26:50 and a DS XL i never use Jan 16 21:26:50 atomic purple was the JAM Jan 16 21:26:55 buy pokemon Jan 16 21:26:58 and you'll use it forever Jan 16 21:27:12 ive got a flash cart ;p Jan 16 21:27:41 heh I had one Jan 16 21:27:46 R4 with a 2gb microsd Jan 16 21:27:57 worst idea ever, I just played every game ever made and then got bored Jan 16 21:28:03 i have an acekard2i w/ 8gb micro Jan 16 21:28:06 same Jan 16 21:28:16 on a side note, DSorganize has Jan 16 21:28:21 such amazing music functionality Jan 16 21:28:42 like why does the nintendo DS kick so much ass at playing flac and ogg and chiptune files Jan 16 21:33:45 bpadalino: I see our resident ray of sunshine visited again last night :) Jan 16 21:34:24 :) Jan 16 21:35:34 might as well just throw out all the pre's and delete the webos repositories now Jan 16 21:37:50 deihmos? Jan 16 21:37:53 it's amazing how much the carrier-driven upgrade cycle makes the average consumer think that a fully operational and useful piece of electronic equipment that meets all your needs perfectly is suddenly worthless, simply because you're due for an upgrade and are therefore "forced" to take the time to absorb shiny new marketing. Jan 16 21:38:07 wonder what that guy thinks of my old volvo.. ;) Jan 16 21:38:28 * halfhalo misses his 850 Jan 16 21:38:43 I wonder if the phone upgrade brain-washing has any impact on the divorce rate in the US Jan 16 21:38:52 heh, I've been thinking I might like to upgrade to an 850 ;) Jan 16 21:38:54 lol Jan 16 21:39:09 well, after a few years you gotta get yourself a newer model Jan 16 21:39:40 rwhitby: well, vehicle leasing is on the rise in the US and is very popular to begin with Jan 16 21:39:54 heh, I'm still shocked by people that replace their laptops every two years.. Jan 16 21:40:10 I've personally never had a carrier contract with any upgrade conditions, so I've always chosen phones based on functionality and need and cost of change, rather than advertising and phone envy. Jan 16 21:40:23 bpadalino: is it time for phone leasing? not that the model we have is particularly different from that... Jan 16 21:41:36 I also suspect that if people in the US kept their phones for more than a year, the proponents of the view that you own the hardware rather than the carrier owning it might have more success in changing public attitudes towards jailbreaking. Jan 16 21:42:04 i hope not .. that would be terrible .. throwaway electronics are too abundant as it is .. high quality electronics seem to be pretty few and far between Jan 16 21:42:13 oh, that was for Loudergood Jan 16 21:43:05 quite possibly re: owning the hardware .. Jan 16 21:43:21 rwhitby: I don't think that would make a difference since most phones that are sold are still locked to a carrier Jan 16 21:44:07 halfhalo: well, if people kept phones longer than 1 year, the carrier pricing might have to change as a result. Jan 16 21:44:11 in sprint, verizions case they won't let other non sprint/vzw phones on their respective network, and tmobile and att have differing 3g bands Jan 16 21:44:33 * rwhitby bbl Jan 16 21:44:34 man, I've had this phone for 19 months...the one before that, 24 months Jan 16 21:44:44 change is bad :P Jan 16 21:45:06 I tend to get a new phone every 12 months on average Jan 16 21:48:09 well Jan 16 21:48:16 I don't completely choose based on advertising Jan 16 21:48:22 but phone envy is a very important factor Jan 16 21:48:27 very very VERY Jan 16 21:48:47 i think phone envy is an important factor for a very small subset of people Jan 16 21:50:37 I pretty much just looked at the right time and saw the Pre had released while I was in London, then I started reading about webOS and thought "that sounds really cool" and decided to replace my Treo when I got back home Jan 16 21:50:41 i usually keep my phones at least 2 years. would have kept the pre if it didn't keep having problems, wasn't so slow, keyboard so cramped and flat to ache the finger tips plus more Jan 16 21:51:01 when I first saw the pre it was like "that's the phone I've always wanted" Jan 16 21:51:08 * oil had a lg vx6000 flip phone for like 5 years Jan 16 21:51:14 thing was a TANK Jan 16 21:51:36 and now that I have it it's like "except for the chassis" Jan 16 21:51:49 think the phone I had the longest was this nokia candybar, my first cellphone Jan 16 21:52:11 http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3/dp/B0009VXAM0 Ps3 $40 Jan 16 21:52:14 the lg was the phone after the nokia candybar that everyone gets Jan 16 21:52:15 haha Jan 16 21:52:19 lol Jan 16 21:52:28 after my nokia candybar I got this samsung flip phone Jan 16 21:52:37 blew my mind Jan 16 21:52:39 OMG IT HAS A CAMERA Jan 16 21:52:53 yeah Jan 16 21:53:02 and sprint gave me a one month internet trial Jan 16 21:53:04 i remember i could hack the lg featurephone quite a bit Jan 16 21:53:06 OMG IT HAS THE INTERNET... sort of Jan 16 21:53:18 making my own ringtones from mp3s, backgrounds and getting them onto the phone for use Jan 16 21:53:20 it was cool Jan 16 21:53:25 who is selling these brand new playstation 3s for $40 Jan 16 21:53:27 what is the catch Jan 16 21:53:46 lets see... I went from a nokia brick to one of the first lg cameraphones to the one of the first sammy vcast phones to the lg voyager (free tethering ftw) to the pre to the plus to the epic Jan 16 21:53:46 "out of stock" Jan 16 21:53:49 fuckin TARGET Jan 16 21:53:51 sold out Jan 16 21:53:54 now that's a catch Jan 16 21:54:05 Not in stock; order now and we'll deliver when available. Jan 16 21:54:17 yeah, you're not going to get it for $40 Jan 16 21:54:35 nokia -> samsung flip -> centro -> treo pro -> pre -> pre -> pre -> pre Jan 16 21:54:52 pre is only my 3rd phone Jan 16 21:54:57 i already have a ps3 slim Jan 16 21:54:57 hey, found a psp and gameboy pocket in a backpack im throwing out Jan 16 21:54:59 ;p Jan 16 21:55:02 like i said, flip phone FOREVER Jan 16 21:55:09 it was hield together with superglue Jan 16 21:55:53 how's the pixi in terms of durability Jan 16 21:56:05 probably better then the pre Jan 16 21:56:08 due to no sliding parts Jan 16 21:56:11 definitely better than the pre at least Jan 16 21:56:14 but god no wifi Jan 16 21:56:21 or anything Jan 16 21:56:23 haha Jan 16 21:56:23 but i've never used one for more then dev Jan 16 21:56:27 Trade In This Video Game Item for $111.50 Jan 16 21:56:28 oil: what happens if I order that PS3 for $39 then, Target says "oops, here's your money back"? Jan 16 21:56:30 hahahahahahahaha the gameboy has power Jan 16 21:56:38 so if i buy it and trade it back in.. i get money back ;P Jan 16 21:56:41 why couldn't the pixi just be the pre without a slider Jan 16 21:56:44 they probably dont even take the money Jan 16 21:56:51 until its ready to be sent out Jan 16 21:56:55 sugardave, they wont charge until its shipped Jan 16 21:56:55 at which point it costs more Jan 16 21:56:58 and your order is canceled Jan 16 21:57:02 ah Jan 16 21:57:05