**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 21 02:59:57 2011 Jan 21 03:23:48 I'm seeing reference to truecrypt on the release notes for uberkernel...is there a port I can use? Jan 21 03:26:33 mugen: good. you? Jan 21 03:29:01 haeffb: have you ran into any issues with garbage collection? Jan 21 03:29:31 no, they come once a week. Jan 21 03:29:34 bada bing! Jan 21 03:29:50 like what? Jan 21 03:30:00 lol Jan 21 03:30:20 I'm just trying to figure out why every once in a while koto goes crazy. Jan 21 03:30:27 I think something is happening to the audio obj Jan 21 03:38:27 yeah, I haven't used audio... Jan 21 03:41:48 shmeh, I give up for the night Jan 21 03:41:55 goodnight everyone Jan 21 04:00:01 http://arts.nationalpost.com/2011/01/16/andrew-garfield-as-spider-man-steve-murrays-photo-dissection/ -- I didn't know there was a spidey reboot Jan 21 04:01:51 yeah Jan 21 04:10:35 yeah Jan 21 04:10:38 which is dumb Jan 21 04:10:45 it's not even that old Jan 21 04:13:05 then again Jan 21 04:13:14 I too think about remaking movies a very short period after I see them Jan 21 04:13:19 like man that could have been like 10 times better Jan 21 04:52:49 the movies with Tobey Maguire was a reboot, i thought Jan 21 05:23:49 yeah Jan 21 05:23:55 well now it's time to reboot the reboot Jan 21 05:24:12 tobey maguire spiderman's kinda old Jan 21 05:24:29 the first one was 2001 Jan 21 05:24:58 I dunno, rebooting something only 10 years later is kind of lame. Jan 21 05:25:02 well Jan 21 05:25:08 batman and robin came out in 1997 Jan 21 05:25:16 lol Jan 21 05:25:23 the dark knight came out in 2008 Jan 21 05:25:24 and it was only like Jan 21 05:25:29 the best superhero movie ever Jan 21 05:25:33 but batman and robin was horrible Jan 21 05:25:35 Batman and Robin tanked hardcore Jan 21 05:25:41 spiderman 3 was horrible too Jan 21 05:25:44 not spawned a trilogy Jan 21 05:26:01 Spawn is what they should reboot Jan 21 05:26:14 I'm waiting for the live action pokemon movie Jan 21 05:26:27 heh Jan 21 05:27:33 alright so I did some math and Jan 21 05:27:53 if I'm to get my money's worth in bananas from the cafeteria Jan 21 05:27:59 I'll need to get 11 pounds of bananas Jan 21 05:28:11 that is a lot of bananas Jan 21 05:28:42 I could get some cheeseburgers too but there's little research on cheeseburger's effect on serotonin reuptake Jan 21 05:40:51 what's this about serotonin reuptake? Jan 21 05:43:43 the dark knight was not the best superhero movie ever :P Jan 21 05:43:56 * mugen- puts his foot down Jan 21 05:48:38 ok Jan 21 05:48:40 hey mugen- Jan 21 05:48:44 the incredibles was pretty sweet Jan 21 05:48:57 heya sine Jan 21 05:49:11 the incredibles was awesome Jan 21 05:49:20 ...but i'm truly biashed Jan 21 05:49:25 i hated the dark knight Jan 21 05:49:25 * halfhalo sues Jan 21 05:49:30 :P Jan 21 05:49:36 * torchie RAGE Jan 21 05:49:39 * mugen- kicks Jan 21 05:49:59 well i hated the mona lisa Jan 21 05:50:04 * halfhalo hates linux right now Jan 21 05:50:09 citizen kane was pretty lame too Jan 21 05:50:18 rooooooosebuddddddd Jan 21 05:53:16 that's all good torchie, but it still doesn't change the fact the dark knight sucked my ass Jan 21 05:53:19 * mugen- ducks Jan 21 05:53:32 `lsusb Jan 21 05:53:37 dammit Jan 21 05:53:39 wrong kb Jan 21 05:53:47 halo, what're you having issues with? Jan 21 05:54:07 mounting a ramdisk formatted img file Jan 21 05:58:58 ic Jan 21 06:00:38 yeah Jan 21 06:00:57 and its either made with some random fs that my system can't understand, or black magic Jan 21 06:02:53 i got money on black magic Jan 21 06:03:48 how much does the dev coupon knock off the Pre2 price? Jan 21 06:03:52 oh, doesn't help this is for a windows only tool, so I can't just boot into linux and see if it talks to it properly Jan 21 06:06:13 dohtem, $0 :P i'm still waiting for mine and it's been more than a month Jan 21 06:06:46 halo, what the hell is it??? Jan 21 06:07:02 mugen-: HP hates you! Jan 21 06:07:08 they do :( Jan 21 06:07:26 ...but it would knock off $200 i thought Jan 21 06:08:48 its an embedded linux frigger Jan 21 06:09:42 with a windows only tool Jan 21 06:09:45 that's neat Jan 21 06:13:43 http://www.precentral.net/app-preview-carbon-beta -- whoa, Carbon looks pretty good. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 21 07:52:16 2011 Jan 21 08:20:23 -pre?? Jan 21 08:21:32 pre 2 Jan 21 08:27:47 rwhitby-pre: are you confident that most patches will be updated in time for the v2.0 launch (which might be happening quite soon on sprint)? Jan 21 09:49:33 hi guys ... is webOS 2.0 will be released on Feb 09? Jan 21 09:50:10 and will they support hybrid apps from then on? Jan 21 09:50:37 hmm Jan 21 09:50:51 Who do you want to answer that? Jan 21 09:51:26 anyone who knows answer .. or have an idea ;) Jan 21 09:53:40 hotdp: what u think? Jan 21 09:53:59 I think you will not get the answer before it happens or someone leaks information Jan 21 09:54:11 so all you can get here is hopes and guesses _) Jan 21 09:57:24 i assume they will announce 2.0 Jan 21 10:01:53 hmmm ... anyone knwon agenda of Feb 9th meet? Jan 21 10:02:25 anyone know agenda of Feb 9th meet? Jan 21 10:05:18 i think it is out there Jan 21 10:06:34 is it? let me check Jan 21 10:06:46 but not in detail Jan 21 10:07:00 that will be a suprise Jan 21 10:08:19 i don't think they will publish an agenda :) Jan 21 10:08:40 swisstomcat there is an "overview" no details Jan 21 10:11:24 *but Jan 21 10:35:24 * hotdp feels like "hack" is the new buzzword Jan 21 12:30:23 hey guys, anybody still here? Jan 21 12:30:30 polishing up my webos app now Jan 21 12:30:32 yer Jan 21 12:33:57 hotdp! Jan 21 12:34:05 what's the best practice for global variable? Jan 21 12:34:12 just place them inside a class? Jan 21 12:34:17 hehe Jan 21 12:34:28 i m refactoring my shitty code that i wrote before Jan 21 12:34:31 it depends on how global you want it Jan 21 12:34:50 well, to be accessed by every assistant Jan 21 12:35:05 So VERY global Jan 21 12:35:05 my app before is using all local variables, so i m thinking about using global this time Jan 21 12:35:21 yah Jan 21 12:35:32 should i just put everything in stageassistant and call it? Jan 21 12:35:36 If its kind of uniq you can place it outside Jan 21 12:35:46 have many var is it? Jan 21 12:35:57 a lot Jan 21 12:36:03 hmm Jan 21 12:36:06 mostly webservice names Jan 21 12:36:13 and you uses them on different scenes? Jan 21 12:36:38 yah Jan 21 12:37:22 i m just wondering if i should make a globalassistant or just keep them in stageassistant Jan 21 12:37:35 hmm Jan 21 12:38:03 You could create e object Jan 21 12:38:04 that's my first question, second question is where are the preferences? Jan 21 12:38:09 then you only had one var Jan 21 12:38:09 user preferences i can store inside the app Jan 21 12:38:14 and then just change properties Jan 21 12:38:28 i think i m just gona create a global.js Jan 21 12:38:37 do you mean the pref "button" ? Jan 21 12:38:47 under menu? Jan 21 12:39:25 no, like i m storing some user info such as userId Jan 21 12:39:38 I've been getting it from webservices so far because webos consume them at very fast speed Jan 21 12:39:49 but i m wondering if i can just store it so this way users are not worried offline -_- Jan 21 12:39:51 DB or cookies? Jan 21 12:40:09 well, neither, just some variables i can store Jan 21 12:40:10 i use cookies for stuff like ID ect Jan 21 12:40:16 ok Jan 21 12:40:21 yes you store them IN the cookie Jan 21 12:40:27 you don't eat the cookie ;) Jan 21 12:40:32 can cookie be accessed from other apps? Jan 21 12:40:37 nope Jan 21 12:40:47 does it have an expire date? Jan 21 12:40:54 var MyApp = {} Jan 21 12:40:56 only if you want Jan 21 12:41:00 and then store your stuff in there Jan 21 12:41:10 MyApp.mydata="foo"; Jan 21 12:41:13 ok, thanks Jan 21 12:41:23 is that persitiant swisstomcat ? Jan 21 12:41:31 persistant how? Jan 21 12:41:40 when you close the app Jan 21 12:41:44 hi swiss Jan 21 12:41:47 nope Jan 21 12:41:48 will it still be there nect time you open? Jan 21 12:41:53 Then it is no go Jan 21 12:41:54 no, of course not Jan 21 12:42:02 he is asking how to store informatino Jan 21 12:42:09 oh Jan 21 12:42:12 persistent Jan 21 12:42:14 cookies Jan 21 12:42:15 yesh Jan 21 12:42:17 depot Jan 21 12:42:20 as i said Jan 21 12:42:20 websql Jan 21 12:42:24 as i said Jan 21 12:42:26 ;) Jan 21 12:42:32 i misunderstand the question then Jan 21 12:42:41 he had 3 Jan 21 12:42:54 oh Jan 21 12:43:01 i read the one with "global variables" Jan 21 12:43:03 andi think you answered the first Jan 21 12:43:06 yer Jan 21 12:44:27 swiss Jan 21 12:44:37 so what's the best way of storing global variable? Jan 21 12:44:45 omg Jan 21 12:44:52 was my answer not good? :S Jan 21 12:45:05 well, trying to get a second opinion =P Jan 21 12:45:20 gl hf Jan 21 12:45:20 storing everything in GlobalAssistant() Jan 21 12:45:28 just var x = 1; Jan 21 12:45:37 and then GlobalAssistant.x Jan 21 12:46:45 nyceane http://tinyurl.com/6gnaoxy Jan 21 12:47:44 i m pretty awesome at javascript -_- Jan 21 12:47:48 http://www.ipickupsports.com Jan 21 12:47:54 i did all the javascript there Jan 21 12:48:03 in fact the page like a map, that's it Jan 21 12:53:35 doesn't work =( Jan 21 13:18:16 got it Jan 21 13:46:00 like i said Jan 21 13:46:08 var myData= {} Jan 21 13:46:14 myData.data1='foo'; Jan 21 15:33:30 Finally, Duke Nukem Forever is gonna launch Jan 21 15:33:41 after 13 years Jan 21 15:42:51 May 3rd! Wow Jan 21 15:44:02 demo video @ http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/duke-nukem-forever-gets-a-release-date/11044 Jan 21 15:47:27 dgathright: in other news hell is freezing over May 3. Somehow something's gotta happen, it can't ever be released. Jan 21 15:47:33 or the world will end Jan 21 15:47:51 haha Jan 21 15:48:13 pigs will fly Jan 21 15:49:33 is Pandora out too? the handheld gaming console I mean Jan 21 15:49:49 Which happens first, Palm releases a tablet, or Duke Nukem Forever is released? =D Jan 21 15:57:35 no, its company a works on game they want to be perfect for 13 years Jan 21 15:58:00 company b buys out company a Jan 21 15:58:01 and releases game because of its name people will buy it Jan 21 15:58:12 weather its good or not Jan 21 16:01:53 dgathright: personal pet peeve. in threaded comments where replies are clearly indented UNDER the message being replied to, why are people doing stupid twitter @JoeBlow blah blah blah . .. like, YEAH, we know you were replying to him because your reply is actually UNDER the message you're replying to and indented. Duh.. Jan 21 16:03:15 twitter is an atrocity Jan 21 16:04:18 lol Jan 21 16:04:24 tell us how you really feel about it Jan 21 16:06:07 * oil bbl work Jan 21 16:06:09 oil: ok. It's a huge step backward in terms of public messaging and seems to be creating terrible habits like the one above and creating the need for tinyurl like hacks that severely harm the usefulness of links and create a serious threat of link rot if any of these services were to go down someday Jan 21 16:06:29 oil: oh, you weren't serious, probably. :P Jan 21 16:07:12 lol oil... yeah, if they ever make another duke, will probably be done in 1 year and be 100X better than this one. Jan 21 16:07:33 especially since it wont be based on Unreal 2.5 Jan 21 16:07:56 CTLAdvance: what I like about this is that they make fun of themselves at least a few times in the video about how late the game it Jan 21 16:07:58 is Jan 21 16:08:11 yeah Jan 21 16:08:11 even if it wasn Jan 21 16:08:29 err even if it wasn't the new devs fault they'll take the hit for it and make it funny Jan 21 16:08:46 its also reaally the only game with this kind of demeaner, or swagger Jan 21 16:08:56 alot of weight is carried on duke nukem Jan 21 16:09:07 no matter how the game actually is Jan 21 16:09:30 I suspect if they launch this now, well see a much better version launch in 2 years Jan 21 16:10:08 something built on better tech, activision is known to beat its titles with a stick Jan 21 16:11:33 I guess I must not be up on the newest games because I thought the graphics looked really good Jan 21 16:17:14 bbl Jan 21 16:44:12 Music default just got scary on me :o Jan 21 17:11:34 Hi all Jan 21 18:40:48 whoot Jan 21 18:42:36 Android has some 43 proprietary java source code files which you cant legally distribute Jan 21 18:43:05 I think oracle is going to break the android3 Jan 21 18:44:30 paging mr. boatright, white courtesy phone. Jan 21 18:46:17 CTLAdvance: you're talking about the "google experience" devices as opposed to the Android Open Source Project? Jan 21 18:47:07 I believe so yes Jan 21 18:47:18 rick-home: ping Jan 21 18:50:00 Googles Android OS, and anything that is involved with it I assume could be shut down Jan 21 19:35:15 evening Jan 21 19:37:29 nah Jan 21 19:37:34 Google will just settle Jan 21 19:37:50 pay Oracle a royalty on devices or something Jan 21 19:39:35 hey funkatron Jan 21 19:39:41 suppa Jan 21 19:39:47 got farther with that webos-specific css for jo? Jan 21 19:40:04 not really. I got, as usual, pulled onto other stuff Jan 21 19:40:12 i know that Jan 21 19:40:26 Jo still is cool tho. Jan 21 19:40:30 i'm working on a jquery mobile tutorial Jan 21 19:40:32 yeah, it is Jan 21 19:43:15 i also did a quick project with the bb webworks sdk .. seems easy Jan 21 19:43:23 but haven't looked deeper into it Jan 21 19:44:13 funkatron - I guess that goes as far as Oracle wants Jan 21 19:44:24 though they would be happy with a few billion Jan 21 19:44:32 yep Jan 21 19:44:58 right. I can't see Oracle shutting down the whole Android industry out of spit Jan 21 19:45:00 spite Jan 21 19:45:17 enough to put it in the same boat as WP7, a nice cost per device Jan 21 19:45:19 Ellison is a vindictive guy, but there's too much upside to earning a royalty on every device Jan 21 19:45:32 yep Jan 21 19:45:39 that could be. it could definitely affect the appeal to manufacturers Jan 21 19:46:06 they already have to cover support costs themselves now... so will be interesting to see how this plays out Jan 21 19:47:19 very interesting read indeed Jan 21 19:47:20 http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-evidence-supports-oracles-case.html Jan 21 20:28:54 * halfhalo yawns Jan 21 20:29:28 everyone is waiting for feb. 9th Jan 21 20:30:08 * Loudergood wakes up Jan 21 20:30:16 did someone say feb 9th?!?! Jan 21 20:30:27 oh it's still january... Jan 21 20:30:31 * Loudergood goes back to sleep Jan 21 20:31:57 poor HP Jan 21 20:31:57 hmm Jan 21 20:31:57 http://www.quora.com/What-is-HPs-Palm-division-planning-to-introduce-on-Feb-9-2011/answer/Robert-Scoble-1 Jan 21 20:31:57 interesting answer Jan 21 20:32:03 several phones Jan 21 20:33:05 they've said in the past several phones were in the works Jan 21 20:33:10 not much of a surprise Jan 21 20:33:22 unfortunately the Engadget source says the devices are nothing spectacular :( Jan 21 20:33:26 yeah Jan 21 20:33:28 so i heard Jan 21 20:34:03 then again it's likely to be more spectacular than my Pre- Jan 21 20:34:45 http://goo.gl/lsHFT - BAM! Jan 21 20:34:52 hey everyone Jan 21 20:35:55 better than the pre2? Jan 21 20:35:59 bigger screen would be nice Jan 21 20:36:21 http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/01/21/san.francisco.muni.transit.system.gets.games/ -- San Francisco gets all the cool stuff :( Jan 21 20:40:49 hello friends! Jan 21 20:41:05 Howdy Jan 21 20:41:54 dohtem: that's AWESOME Jan 21 20:41:55 :D Jan 21 20:41:59 hey dpivs Jan 21 20:45:50 don't take that tablet mockup too seriously Jan 21 20:47:58 also scoble talks a lot of shit Jan 21 20:51:47 he apparently sat down with an HP VP Jan 21 20:52:02 we'll see Jan 21 20:52:04 soon enough Jan 21 20:52:13 I bet he saw some stuff Jan 21 20:52:26 I just think his opinion is irrelevant Jan 21 20:53:03 it's a good sign that there will be more than tablets Jan 21 21:00:18 hopefully they dont ipaq the phone line and make hardware that is viewed as only ok Jan 21 21:00:33 yeah Jan 21 21:00:59 hiyo Jan 21 21:01:03 infact I hope the ipaq name and line is burried and never comes back Jan 21 21:01:07 they destroyed it Jan 21 21:03:56 in a fire Jan 21 21:04:01 holy crap this Pre 2 is so much nicer Jan 21 21:04:14 yeah, it is Jan 21 21:04:15 haha Jan 21 21:04:18 glass screen+ Jan 21 21:04:37 yup Jan 21 21:04:40 oooh pre 2 Jan 21 21:04:51 the pre2 is what the pre plus should have been (at that time) Jan 21 21:05:21 depressing having a Pre2 that I don't ever use cause it won't run on Sprint. Jan 21 21:05:25 though, no 4x4 launcher patch makes me cry Jan 21 21:05:30 i've given up waiting for the coupon, i think if they sent it to me today i'd hesitate since feb 9th is right around the corner. Jan 21 21:14:50 that sucks Jan 21 21:15:50 dgathright - the pre2 will run on sprint Jan 21 21:16:03 Pre 2 is nice, but nothing spectacular Jan 21 21:16:28 it lets me check emails without freezing Jan 21 21:16:49 They really need to stop supporting the Pre- Jan 21 21:16:51 eek, i'd like that. email on the sprint pre is so frustrating. second to google maps. Jan 21 21:16:54 maybe when they get new hardware Jan 21 21:17:27 anything on the sprint pre after 1.3.x is horrible Jan 21 21:17:37 CTLAdvance: Last update I saw a few weeks ago was that there were still some issues w/ the comboard swap. Is it all resolved at this point? Jan 21 21:17:39 it should have stayed at 1.2.1 or prior Jan 21 21:17:50 i haven't had any problems with 1.4.5 Jan 21 21:17:56 There are no functional issues with the device Jan 21 21:18:08 only profile issues Jan 21 21:19:04 lol maik, you must not be up on new devices outside of webOS then ;) Jan 21 21:19:15 well, depending on what is announced 2/9, maybe I'll look into doing that swap. Been holding off on my Pre to Pre Plus swap for a while, figure I'll do one of them next month. Jan 21 21:19:22 though I wouldnt call them problems Jan 21 21:19:32 like my wife's Evo that keeps changing her location to random european countries and royally screwing up her schedule? Jan 21 21:20:00 Android blows. Just sayin. Jan 21 21:20:04 srsly Jan 21 21:20:05 bah thats android, but at least the evo screws up with such smoothness, and not all eh uh oh der uh gee Jan 21 21:20:08 what was I doing Jan 21 21:20:20 every time i touch her Evo i get pissed off because of the interface is so jacked compared to webOS Jan 21 21:20:29 jacked? Jan 21 21:20:36 unintuitive, if that suits you Jan 21 21:20:47 Ill agree to that Jan 21 21:20:56 (i hate android btw) Jan 21 21:21:10 But at least it lets you build out a nice working flow Jan 21 21:21:26 though Jan 21 21:21:27 Android is just Windows in my mind. Just good enough to sell bazillions of phones, but not really competitive with the quality alternatives. Jan 21 21:21:53 what do you mean like windows Jan 21 21:22:48 Microsoft does just enough with Windows just to keep it dominant. That's all. Jan 21 21:23:03 and thats all they need Jan 21 21:23:30 Android is still much more powerful and robust compared to webOS, even though the OS is garbage Jan 21 21:23:30 Is their goal to sell a billion copies, or to make the best operating system on the planet? The former. Jan 21 21:23:42 Same with Android. Jan 21 21:23:50 its actually both, but they do so as needed Jan 21 21:24:19 android goal is to deliver ads to users, eventually they will be served in the OS Jan 21 21:24:44 which means they need to get it in the hands of tons of people Jan 21 21:25:36 I just hope we get some awesome devices come feb9th Jan 21 21:25:42 if we dont, that wont be a good thing Jan 21 21:26:36 ya, i imagine the form factors will be there, just hope the specs/features are up to snuff Jan 21 21:26:47 I agree Jan 21 21:26:48 any word if sprint is getting anything? Jan 21 21:27:03 I havent seen anything yet Jan 21 21:27:16 It wouldnt surprise me if they get a wimax phone/tab Jan 21 21:27:56 I do think sprint is going to launch the playbook on Feb 7th Jan 21 21:28:02 weak Jan 21 21:28:04 weeeeeaaaak Jan 21 21:28:09 They already confirmed a wimax playbook Jan 21 21:28:17 its actually pretty slick Jan 21 21:28:22 unless you need bbm Jan 21 21:28:37 yeah the latest video shows it running baby butt smooth but Jan 21 21:28:39 it's still Jan 21 21:28:44 the blackberry playbook Jan 21 21:28:45 baby Jan 21 21:28:47 butt Jan 21 21:28:48 smooth Jan 21 21:28:55 JALB Jan 21 21:29:18 Just Another Linux Build Jan 21 21:29:25 that runs BABY BUTT SMOOTH Jan 21 21:29:28 oy Jan 21 21:29:35 isn't playbook like Jan 21 21:29:42 QNX except coated in a thick layer of adobe bullshit Jan 21 21:29:46 QNX Jan 21 21:30:06 no I dont think its all adobe, it supports lots of adobe though Jan 21 21:30:09 and webdev Jan 21 21:30:30 really not good if they plan to bring that to market compared to webOS Jan 21 21:30:37 yeah Jan 21 21:30:55 I imagine they're going to make some significant UI changes if to webos for tablets Jan 21 21:31:07 Though, multitasking is really a moot point to most users Jan 21 21:31:18 I hope so Jan 21 21:31:30 they need to bring something unique Jan 21 21:32:54 a tablet that runs webos Jan 21 21:32:57 that's unique enough! Jan 21 21:34:40 I see some extreme similarities between them, not sure thats good enough Jan 21 21:34:46 well have to see how it plays out Jan 21 21:36:16 yeah that's the issue, two tablets with cards would be like "wut" Jan 21 21:37:55 evening all Jan 21 21:38:12 we're still psyched about feb 9? or did that pass? ;) Jan 21 21:38:13 hello Jan 21 21:38:38 were optimistic Jan 21 21:38:51 except for the blind fanboys Jan 21 21:38:54 ;) Jan 21 21:38:55 b0bben: Nah, no one is excited here. No one at all. Jan 21 21:39:01 bb unfortunately has a larger following, and because their playbook is so slick, webOS is going to have a hard time coming into the market, especially so late Jan 21 21:39:22 me neither ;) Jan 21 21:39:29 but, because their latest version does a lot of things like webOS, it may be a decent alternative if/when the webOS ship sinks Jan 21 21:40:27 yeah, unfortunately Jan 21 21:42:14 the needs to tether with a phone playbook? I don't see that taking off Jan 21 21:51:04 Loudergood: lots of tablets have no 3g or LTE built in Jan 21 21:51:37 loudergood Jan 21 21:51:42 you dont need to tether it Jan 21 21:51:45