**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 23 02:59:57 2011 Jan 23 03:05:43 i have been using android for the past 3 months. nothing about it sucks to me. Jan 23 03:07:08 honesltly didn't realize how much webos was lacking until i switched Jan 23 03:09:17 Deihmos: anything besides document editor? Jan 23 03:09:33 Here's an oddball question: scroller, horizontal-snap, landscape orientation! Jan 23 03:09:50 Anyone run into the weird "disco break down" jiggle? Jan 23 03:10:53 disco break down? Jan 23 03:11:31 so many things Jan 23 03:12:03 it just kind of... Jiggles. Bounces, then tries to snap, then bounces again. Jan 23 03:14:13 sounds exciting Jan 23 03:14:54 Yeah it's weird Jan 23 03:22:31 * SineOt tries to learn... LIST WIDGETS. Jan 23 03:25:37 Deihmos: ah, well, if any of them are fixable by introduction of 3rd party apps or homebrew patches we can make things better for those still using webos.. Jan 23 03:25:48 but it helps to know what from someone who uses other platforms Jan 23 03:26:00 I've been using android for about a month Jan 23 03:26:26 i say the first step is to kill appible Jan 23 03:26:27 with fire Jan 23 03:26:43 I've used Android off and on, and really... Even if it has stuff webOS doesn't have, I still like webOS for day to day use Jan 23 03:27:11 webos actually has some thought in its interface design Jan 23 03:27:33 1.x chops balls in framerate though Jan 23 03:29:47 let's see: voice dialing, abundance of official and useful apps, youtube, google maps, very fast Jan 23 03:30:09 webos is also missing durable hardware Jan 23 03:30:18 that to Jan 23 03:30:28 devices that come with a battery over 1150mah Jan 23 03:30:31 my pre broke for the last time. volume button keep sticking Jan 23 03:30:38 slate candybar phones Jan 23 03:30:44 I'm on my fourth Jan 23 03:31:10 also microphone and camera related applications Jan 23 03:31:14 bluetooth remote Jan 23 03:31:16 well, that will hopefully change come the 9th, since there's apparently going to be multiple devices announced Jan 23 03:31:19 skype Jan 23 03:31:35 Deihmos: I saw something mentioned that Pre2s on Rogers in Canada got an OTA update that added voice dialing (!!!) Jan 23 03:31:35 people been saying that will change for a while now Jan 23 03:31:47 I hope they're announced to be released before march Jan 23 03:32:13 my bet is they will be in consumer hands before march .. of 2017 .. at the latest... the absolute latest Jan 23 03:32:38 life moves fast don't miss a thing Jan 23 03:32:48 on sprint Jan 23 03:33:04 that's from the Palm ads Jan 23 03:33:31 because a well designed user interface, a vertically integrated operating system, a device you don't have to root, jailbreak, custom rom etc. are hard things to give up Jan 23 03:33:52 patience is definitely a virtue Jan 23 03:34:28 yeah, if you're going to go "but people have been saying it'll change for a while now" as a negative, at least wait until after the 9th when the new hardware gets announced Jan 23 03:34:44 but when my dream phone breaks for the fourth time and every app I see others using is "oh... well I don't have that" and my speakers are blown Jan 23 03:34:45 June will make 2 years since i got the pre. first thing i launched was docs to go. it said editing will be available soon. Jan 23 03:34:46 since there's supposed to be at least 2-3 phones and a tablet from what rumors have bubbled up Jan 23 03:35:11 one of which is Broadway which from my thoughts, will be a pretty awesome device :p Jan 23 03:35:32 you can't blame shitty features of an app that palm didn't develop on palm/webos .. that's just silly Jan 23 03:36:15 and the app catalog is filled with appible appible appible, Jan 23 03:36:18 so why else the app catalog is so lagging? they don't support hybrid apps. whose fault is that Jan 23 03:36:43 and brighthouse labs, Jan 23 03:36:50 i would say at least 99% of the catalog is pure garbage Jan 23 03:36:52 and "100 pushups" Jan 23 03:36:54 hybrids are in 2.0 Jan 23 03:37:18 can't you say that about any of the phone app stores/marketplaces ? Jan 23 03:37:26 "99% are amateurish and pure garbage" Jan 23 03:38:08 and the pdf reader crashes at random, Jan 23 03:39:49 and sprint can't get off of that droid cock, Jan 23 03:40:20 can you blame them Jan 23 03:40:32 thwy can't push a 2 year old pre Jan 23 03:40:41 yeah, they managed to land the Evo 4G which for a long time was like... THE killer bit of hardware Jan 23 03:40:41 i'm glad ios and android are out there Jan 23 03:40:53 I can't blame them Jan 23 03:40:58 they'll ride that as long as they possibly can Jan 23 03:40:58 because android Jan 23 03:41:04 however misanthropic Jan 23 03:41:07 the pre is 18 months old from the time it was buyable Jan 23 03:41:11 benefits Jan 23 03:41:14 the carriers. Jan 23 03:41:17 the manufacturers. Jan 23 03:41:24 it's not for people Jan 23 03:41:33 it also has the aps peole want to use Jan 23 03:41:38 kindle etc Jan 23 03:41:39 who benefit the most from android? Jan 23 03:41:49 motorola, verizon, and sprint Jan 23 03:41:53 anything that draws subscribers benefits the carriers though, regardless of what it runs Jan 23 03:42:36 and now that motorola has benefit from the crispy stock goodness Jan 23 03:42:42 they'll shove motoblur in your face Jan 23 03:43:06 and what can you do Jan 23 03:43:09 take it and take it hard Jan 23 03:43:22 and hope for the next nexus Jan 23 03:43:31 or just run a custom rom on it Jan 23 03:43:36 like most everyone does Jan 23 03:43:51 great solution Jan 23 03:44:11 let's root and jailbreak and custom rom until the cows come home Jan 23 03:48:21 and at the end of the day Jan 23 03:48:26 it's all just windows mobile 6 again Jan 23 03:48:30 * halfhalo sues Jan 23 03:48:32 except with kinetic scrolling Jan 23 03:50:13 and java! Jan 23 03:50:18 oh yes Jan 23 03:50:21 so much java it hurts Jan 23 03:50:29 the majority of customers don't care what version of an os they use as long as it does what they want Jan 23 03:52:30 so make calls and text and possibly do email ? Jan 23 03:52:42 yay majority Jan 23 03:58:50 including running apps they want. that was the major problem i had on webos Jan 23 04:01:26 webos isn't for everyone .. neither is ios or android Jan 23 04:03:08 wondering if none of them are for me, because they're all on my nerves Jan 23 04:03:50 if you're looking for perfection, i doubt you'll find it .. Jan 23 04:03:58 heh, we can only hope they progress to a state like pc hardware where you can install what you want, on what you want Jan 23 04:04:03 if you're looking for some core fundamentals you like .. that may be a better alignment Jan 23 04:04:11 torchie: i hear you Jan 23 04:04:58 Loudergood: it's probably gonna happen, and android'll be the new windows Jan 23 04:05:36 i have the pleasure of deciding on a work phone, kind of agonizing Jan 23 04:05:44 yeah, android already has the "tons of custom crap installed by the manufacturer" disease Jan 23 04:06:53 where a dominant marketshare and the majority manufacturers backing it lead it to become the "de-facto standard" operating system, and once again we are trapped in a system of legacy support, driver problems, etc Jan 23 04:07:12 mobile virtualization or porting to every device, so you can boot android on iphone and other fun combos Jan 23 04:07:21 iphone already boots android Jan 23 04:07:31 sounds wasteful and inefficient Jan 23 04:07:50 I can't wait for "that one app" Jan 23 04:07:52 but in phone form Jan 23 04:09:03 good evening Jan 23 04:11:01 Okay, JSON question: you refer to a value like, json.item, right? what if item has a space in the name? :B Jan 23 04:11:28 something["name with space"] i think is the same thing ? Jan 23 04:12:37 Yeah it's confusing, this JSON is like way nested... Info > General info > Items and I want to get Items Jan 23 04:12:40 * SineOt goes to read up Jan 23 04:14:32 I had trouble with something like that. when theres arrays in objects, accessing them from my list template became a problem Jan 23 04:15:16 what form factor was broadway again? Jan 23 04:15:41 Pixi-esque small form factor slider, non-removable battery Jan 23 04:15:52 that's Jan 23 04:15:53 long, diagonal, times square in the center? Jan 23 04:16:09 there were other possible models right? Jan 23 04:16:14 yes Jan 23 04:16:23 is a candybar slate with removable battery in the works Jan 23 04:16:43 Mantaray, Stringray, Windsor, Broadway, Roadrunnner were all found in the SFR 2.0 doctor Jan 23 04:16:50 like a snickers power bar ? Jan 23 04:17:26 I'd love a snickers power bar Jan 23 04:17:30 So given there's still 3 unknown devices and there's a virtual keyboard, I'd bet on there being a candybar slate Jan 23 04:19:10 HP has said stuff about launching the "smallest smartphone ever" and I have a feeling that it's Broadway Jan 23 04:19:54 which has been described as a "tiny keyboardless Pre" but I have a feeling that it's just got a really thin slider Jan 23 04:20:02 since the captured logs back that up Jan 23 04:20:15 what sensible design could a slider with no keyboard be Jan 23 04:20:26 two LCD's Jan 23 04:20:27 PSP Phone :V Jan 23 04:20:42 an LCD and a notepad for writing Jan 23 04:20:49 by keyboardless I meant more like, they thought it was a slate device Jan 23 04:20:52 not a slider Jan 23 04:20:58 be a good contrast to all those people who want to hold tablets to their heads Jan 23 04:21:13 I said sensible Jan 23 04:21:37 3.7's my sweet spot, 3.5 if it's iphone aspect ratio Jan 23 04:21:50 a slide out window so you can see what's going on behind the slide out part Jan 23 04:22:02 a slide out camera so you can only take shots with the phone open Jan 23 04:22:26 a slide out stylus so you can make accurate taps on the resistive screen Jan 23 04:22:38 or maybe just a slide out nothing Jan 23 04:22:40 a straight up Jan 23 04:22:42 slide out Jan 23 04:22:42 make it a rotating slider so noone can complain about the oreo effect Jan 23 04:22:43 nothing. Jan 23 04:22:47 a slide out LCD that only runs a virtual keyboard Jan 23 04:22:48 nah it's a slide out drawer Jan 23 04:22:52 so you can hide your weed in it Jan 23 04:25:14 a slide out phone so you can make phone calls while you make phone calls Jan 23 04:25:25 very xzibit of you Jan 23 04:25:31 yo dawg Jan 23 04:25:49 anyways after 4 pres I've been traumatized and have trust issues and will never be able to get close Jan 23 04:25:52 to another slider Jan 23 04:26:17 and that is why Pixi > Pre Jan 23 04:26:39 (and the Pre should really just scare you off of curved sliders which was a dumb choice tbh) Jan 23 04:27:03 a moving part is a breaking part Jan 23 04:27:11 screw sliders and screw buttons Jan 23 04:27:39 so you prefer virtual buttons that all break if the touchscreen breaks ? Jan 23 04:30:37 that over an immutable cheese grater on the front of the device that steals screen real estate and is eaily susceptible to dust and water damage Jan 23 04:31:37 I wait what Jan 23 04:31:45 steals screen real estate? Jan 23 04:32:49 on a candybar, a smaller screen is needed to keep the phone at a reasonable length while still having a physical keyboard Jan 23 04:35:09 a slide out physical keyboard remedies this, but makes the phone much less durable than if it was a candybar physical because now there's a bigass moving part -- a hinge -- and no matter how much you strengthen that mechanism it's still less durable than if such a mechanism didn't exist Jan 23 04:36:39 you can make a mechanism which lasts hundreds of thousands of presses, tho Jan 23 04:36:55 oh dang there's another thing Jan 23 04:37:00 a button is a mechanism too Jan 23 04:37:29 you do realize that dragging your finger across a screen wears it out too Jan 23 04:37:45 more than if I pressed the button? Jan 23 04:37:55 depends on the material Jan 23 04:38:24 build a phone to model m keyboard standards.. Jan 23 04:39:08 clickity clackity Jan 23 04:39:58 in an ideal world where switches and springs never ever break, however, most buttons separate from the touch surface are still a liability because of their immutability Jan 23 04:40:49 actually now it would be possible to make a 100% sealed phone Jan 23 04:41:02 which could be resolved by putting individual e-ink screens under every key in the case of the samsung alias 2, or individual oled screens under every key in the case of the optimus maximus Jan 23 04:41:23 but at that point, if the keys are gonna change why not just use one big screen Jan 23 04:41:38 oled loses its brightness over time Jan 23 04:42:06 i think you're arguing personal preference at that point - tactile feedback Jan 23 04:42:14 as much as I love tactile feedback Jan 23 04:43:07 you could put a bumpy-film over the bottom of the screen for tactile feedback and using only one screen Jan 23 04:43:11 and as fast as I blaze on a device with it whether by thumb or by both hands Jan 23 04:43:29 I don't feel that it's worth buttons Jan 23 04:43:51 have you ever tried using a device with a malfunctioning touchscreen ? Jan 23 04:43:56 I sure have Jan 23 04:44:03 how much did you hate your life? Jan 23 04:44:12 my pre's ts driver sometimes hiccups Jan 23 04:44:27 yeah capacitance issues can be a pain Jan 23 04:44:32 i get taps in places totally irrelevant to where i just swiped Jan 23 04:44:36 I didn't hate my life but I was reminded of using devices with a malfunctioning button Jan 23 04:45:16 can i launch an app using the terminal Jan 23 04:45:58 but then I cleaned the touchscreen off Jan 23 04:46:02 and kept going Jan 23 04:46:57 s2i: yeah Jan 23 04:47:10 it's palm-launch something Jan 23 04:48:02 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\\\"id\\\":\\\"com.app.domain\\\"} Jan 23 04:48:28 what do i replace id with Jan 23 04:48:31 that's for launching from the terminal on the phone Jan 23 04:48:46 ok Jan 23 04:48:49 you don't replace id, you replace "com.app.domain" with the app's "com...." info Jan 23 04:48:56 oh lol ok Jan 23 04:49:04 so for facebook, it's com.palm.facebook (i think) Jan 23 04:49:15 ok. thanks Jan 23 04:49:29 did you want that or from an attached computer? Jan 23 04:49:45 its attached to my computer thruough usb Jan 23 04:50:07 using WOSQI's terminal feature Jan 23 04:50:13 there's an easier way to do all of it through the computer Jan 23 04:50:21 using palm-install and palm-launch utils from the SDK Jan 23 04:50:46 never bothered to poke around the sdk :P lemme see if i find them Jan 23 04:51:11 yeah, way way easier Jan 23 04:51:16 i just see palm emulator and inspector Jan 23 04:51:34 and all the refrence codes. nothing like palm-launch in thre Jan 23 04:51:46 if you install the sdk, they're on your path Jan 23 04:51:58 ok Jan 23 04:52:16 eh, i'll stick with the command line for now Jan 23 04:52:29 yeah, these are commandline for your computer Jan 23 04:52:40 the luna-send I sent you was for the commandline on your phone Jan 23 04:52:58 computer is easier, I only used that because I needed to do some dev without the cable Jan 23 04:53:35 oh Jan 23 05:00:27 wow Jan 23 05:00:35 palm-launch is cool :) Jan 23 05:01:17 you know what Jan 23 05:01:33 maybe I don't have to switch to android for a nice mobile japanese dictionary Jan 23 05:01:53 http://iphone.jisho.org POWER OF THE WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEB Jan 23 05:02:05 in the palm of my HAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDS Jan 23 05:02:48 lol Jan 23 05:03:04 cant wait for webos 2.0 to be released on pixi Jan 23 05:03:10 yeah I'm hype for it on pre Jan 23 05:03:22 I'm hoping for the same touch response it seems to have on the pre 2 Jan 23 05:03:27 arent people already getting it on the pre Jan 23 05:03:35 nah that was a trap Jan 23 05:03:39 bump in the night Jan 23 05:03:40 etc Jan 23 05:03:45 lol Jan 23 05:03:52 i see Jan 23 05:03:59 which sucks because I read that at like 4 AM that night and got so hype Jan 23 05:04:02 and refreshed a lot Jan 23 05:04:41 same here. i hit the update icon for a whole hour thinking hopefully it could be on the pixi too. Jan 23 05:05:02 i did notice mobile hotspot 1.1.4 tho Jan 23 05:07:42 im looking so anxiously for a flashlight app for the pixi. pre users have all the benefits from the camera. Jan 23 05:09:03 ? Jan 23 05:09:10 what about LED torch? Jan 23 05:09:23 Pixi operates the flash differently, so none of the Pre ones work Jan 23 05:09:27 and the keep light on while camera app is running patch Jan 23 05:09:28 ah Jan 23 05:09:29 don't think it ever got figured out Jan 23 05:09:30 I see Jan 23 05:09:37 pixi's starting to look less attractive >:( Jan 23 05:09:56 a non-slider, but at such a price! Jan 23 05:10:49 i'm curious, if i create an app that allows other apps to charge one-time and recurring fees, do i have to give 30% to hp? Jan 23 05:11:34 torchie: yes. the LED torch Jan 23 05:12:31 What is better to code in? Windows or Ubuntu? Jan 23 05:13:51 iirc, the reason why the pixi dosent have a torch light is because the API isnt released? Jan 23 05:14:25 The API isn't for the Pre either Jan 23 05:14:30 it's just that you can touch a file to turn it on Jan 23 05:14:38 oh Jan 23 05:14:39 but no one has figured out what file you need to touch on the Pixi to do it Jan 23 05:14:53 and the file you use on the Pre won't do it on the Pixi Jan 23 05:15:16 i see. i hope someone figures it out. im willing to donate to get it done Jan 23 05:15:45 I wouldn't know where to look, but I'll give it a shot Jan 23 05:16:03 that would be great Jan 23 05:16:26 I'm not at a computer right now, but what is the root folder that the Pre's is located in? Jan 23 05:17:58 wouldnt the root folder be / ? Jan 23 05:18:02 SineOt: there's an API for touching files or is it homebrew only? Jan 23 05:18:58 I'm talking, what is the folder that you mod to get the Pre's LED to work? Jan 23 05:19:08 I dunno Jan 23 05:19:28 My guess is the Pixi's will be in the same folder (under a different name) but idk Jan 23 05:20:03 I'm hoping the API will be released with 2.0 Jan 23 05:20:07 it's part of sysfs i believe Jan 23 05:20:14 man, this is confusing as hell Jan 23 05:20:22 no idea how to access this bit of JSON info Jan 23 05:20:32 on the i2c bus most likely Jan 23 05:20:49 I use Internalz or the Nova Browser that comes with the SDK Jan 23 05:22:00 is there a way to see what files are being used when an app is running and what files it calls upon Jan 23 05:22:07 like a debugger Jan 23 05:22:33 probably Jan 23 05:22:42 All I know of is a longer. But idk about the debugger. I'll check Jan 23 05:23:18 if there is such a thing, you could possibly find the file :) Jan 23 05:24:21 When you search for "debug" in Preware, it comes up with "Lumberjack" also try Imposta Jan 23 05:28:51 If someone can tell me the file that it changes, I have a pixi in front of me that I can change the root folders/view root folders of Jan 23 05:29:35 SineOt: what's the JSON? Jan 23 05:29:40 one second Jan 23 05:30:29 Okay, basically they encode an array called info, which contains another array called "General details" which then holds stuff like age, height, etc Jan 23 05:30:36 And the space in General Details is throwing me way off Jan 23 05:31:22 What are you talking about? I'm lost lol are we trying to get into the LED on the Pixi? Jan 23 05:31:24 yeah, you can't do dot access anymore Jan 23 05:31:33 ugh, what a horrible night :\ Jan 23 05:31:36 how's everyone doing? Jan 23 05:31:43 Good Jan 23 05:31:43 PatrickC: we're talking about some json, not the pixi Jan 23 05:31:49 lol PatrickC im willing to cooperate with you on the LED Jan 23 05:31:57 yeah, and I can't get the json["key"] to work either Jan 23 05:32:01 SineOt: what's wrong with jsondata['info']['General Details'] ? Jan 23 05:32:12 whoa, you can chain them like that? Jan 23 05:32:20 sine, yeah :) Jan 23 05:32:24 yeah, each access returns what you wanted Jan 23 05:32:26 that's the beauty of JSON Jan 23 05:32:53 well, it's just like any other []-accessed data structure Jan 23 05:33:13 even C arrays (multi-dimensional) handle chained [] Jan 23 05:33:31 Ok, well, I can't find where the Pre's file is that they change (as I'm on my Pre now, with no computer nearby) so if someone can tell me what is changed on the Pre, I can look at similar files on the pixi Jan 23 05:33:39 oh man, awesome Jan 23 05:33:53 I had no idea, I've never really used arrays before so this is like... the heavens parting Jan 23 05:34:42 i've seen some APIs where if you didn't chain them it would be horrendous to get what you wanted Jan 23 05:35:00 i see. i'll see what i can find and report back my findings to you Jan 23 05:35:13 jsondata['data']['items'][0]['details']['name'], etc Jan 23 05:36:13 oh man fahhem you are like, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Jan 23 05:36:20 that works fine and I had no idea you could even DO that Jan 23 05:38:05 lol Jan 23 05:38:29 learning things is awesome Jan 23 05:38:34 :) Jan 23 05:39:01 haha, it is Jan 23 05:39:08 is this still for the xbmc/boxee app? Jan 23 05:39:22 nah, something else. Jan 23 05:39:30 Trying to learn more about AJAX, JSON, and the list widget. Jan 23 05:40:26 * halfhalo is messing with embedded linux stuff Jan 23 05:42:33 is anybody here any good with graph theory algorithms? Jan 23 05:42:58 i'm not very good, but i have a graph problem i want to solve but i can't describe it well enough for google Jan 23 05:43:08 or it hasn't been directly solved Jan 23 05:43:58 i have a graph of undirected, weighted edges and I want to find k subgraphs with the heaviest total weight Jan 23 05:44:22 hmm... my brother in law is a stats major, i can hook you two up if you have skype Jan 23 05:45:33 i have a skype account, not skype the app right now Jan 23 05:46:00 i think i just found something so lemme test that out first before i install more bloatware Jan 23 05:46:22 let me know... i'll get him online for you if need be Jan 23 05:51:30 fahhem: i've got him on sms... he'll jump on skype if you need him Jan 23 05:54:44 it's cool, thanks though Jan 23 05:54:47 sorry to bother you/him Jan 23 05:55:47 np... no need to be sorry :P he's a geek like us and always willing to help Jan 23 05:55:59 I'm still looking for the Pixi LED access files Jan 23 06:01:27 I'm going to bed, enough linux coding for me for one night :) Jan 23 06:01:33 Night everyone Jan 23 07:32:16 hello Jan 23 07:33:23 i have a flickHandler function to watch for event velocity Jan 23 07:33:52 but for some odd reason this code still is running and pushes old scene redraws when i flick after popping a new scene Jan 23 07:34:17 I tried doing Event.stop(event); Jan 23 07:34:24 afterwards but that doesn't seem to do the trick Jan 23 07:36:58 weird disconnect Jan 23 07:37:31 has anyone run into a problem like this as well Jan 23 07:43:56 sounds like you're not stopping the event listener in the right place Jan 23 07:45:30 hi Jan 23 07:48:31 yeah i'm doing it during clean up Jan 23 07:50:58 Mojo.Event.stopListening(this.controller.document, Mojo.Event.flick, this.flickHandler); Jan 23 07:51:20 perhaps its the lateness but this looks fine to me Jan 23 10:59:49 hello Jan 23 11:51:26 hello Jan 23 12:38:29 afternoon Jan 23 14:44:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYoCVDTAw7c Jan 23 14:44:18 animalmemory app walkthrough video Jan 23 16:37:20 now watching: animal memory on youtube.... Jan 23 17:00:03 someone wants 4 bucks for an xbmc remote. ridiculous Jan 23 17:03:49 anyone know what file is used on the pre to activate the camera LED Jan 23 17:04:15 it's somewhere on the i2c bus in the sysfs Jan 23 17:04:30 ok Jan 23 17:04:51 think it would be the same location as the pixi Jan 23 17:04:54 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ledservice.git;a=blob;f=LEDService.java;h=38f95aa9a6d92245f4f99f4deafa475563ccf29a;hb=84207b66a0e1716a89c680b80e96ed6260ddf7e7 - see how that one looks at sys/bus/i2c/devices/3-0032/leds:core_navi_left/brightness ? Jan 23 17:05:16 yea, has wha im looking for Jan 23 17:05:19 what* Jan 23 17:05:19 that's the center LED Jan 23 17:05:38 look around that area Jan 23 17:05:38 the gesture area? Jan 23 17:05:44 oh ok Jan 23 17:08:51 im trying to get the file that is used for the camera LED on the pixi Jan 23 17:12:10 i realize that - have a poke around and see what you can figure out Jan 23 17:12:43 yeah im doing that Jan 23 17:12:54 alternatively you can look through the pixi kernel patch and see where it's controlled and see if it has a sysfs entry Jan 23 17:14:06 will need some assisance with that. if someone can help me out and get it working, i'll make a small donation :) Jan 23 17:28:12 think of this as an opportunity to learn something new Jan 23 17:29:22 yep, cant learn without a teacher tho Jan 23 17:33:09 Anyone use instapaper? Jan 23 19:26:24 hmm..that was an unpleasent surprise bill Jan 23 19:26:52 anyone know a good way to turn off data on a pre2? Jan 23 19:27:36 isnt there any options in ##DATA# Jan 23 19:28:33 it's a setting in the phone Jan 23 19:28:40 phone app Jan 23 19:28:43 yer Jan 23 19:29:02 oh damn Jan 23 19:29:21 thought my gf's account had data shut off Jan 23 19:29:24 did you run it without data plan? Jan 23 19:29:32 oh yes Jan 23 19:29:47 oh well, probably expensive Jan 23 19:29:50 only about $60 in extra charges from background traffic Jan 23 19:29:56 oops Jan 23 19:30:33 her phone had been acting weird(lots of dropped calls) so I lent it to her for the last month of her contract Jan 23 19:39:39 Loudergood: AT&T? Jan 23 19:43:04 haha yes Jan 23 19:43:26 I doubt it was overloaded towers though Jan 23 19:43:46 because there would be weird noises first and then poof Jan 23 21:46:01 s2i: flash on pixi is controlled through telephony API, not a filesystem file Jan 23 21:54:17 rwhitby: so its impossible for a flashlight be on the on pixi till the telephony api is released? Jan 23 21:55:51 or someone reverse engineers it Jan 23 21:56:37 sounds highly unlikly someone will take time to do that Jan 23 21:57:47 is the flashlight on pixi different from pre? Jan 23 22:03:09 MetaView_: yea. i guess so since none of the pre patches work on it. Jan 23 22:06:11 ok Jan 23 23:01:28 hey guys Jan 23 23:01:35 my submenu is not dismissing Jan 23 23:35:33 nyceane: check your handlecommand Jan 23 23:52:22 I just rerouted it to another dialog Jan 23 23:59:28 Hello Jan 23 23:59:46 Its been a long while since I used IRC :) Jan 24 00:00:41 Is there any special rules before I ask for some possible guidence? Jan 24 00:01:37 other than honor thy NDA? Jan 24 00:02:23 ok, may I ask what is "thy NDA"? Jan 24 00:02:36 Hi Loudergood Jan 24 00:02:48 it's for people who are involved in the early access program Jan 24 00:02:50 it was set in June Jan 24 00:03:06 not much happened in webos world since then. actually nothing happened Jan 24 00:03:18