**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 24 02:59:58 2011 Jan 24 03:16:03 Super secret app preview! https://twitter.com/ruddersquish/status/29376482908315648 :Q Jan 24 03:26:15 sooo. what's the proper way to give a filter field a value? Jan 24 03:27:05 I made a custom filterfield and had the 'setText' method 'exposed' but it doesn't work well. it sets the text and sends the filter but the next keypress clears out what I set it too. Jan 24 03:28:43 hey guys Jan 24 03:28:44 Mojo.Event.webViewUrlChanged Jan 24 03:28:50 I can't seem to listen to that event Jan 24 03:46:46 Hows everyone doing? What are we talking about? Jan 24 03:49:47 Anyone want to work on getting into the Pixi LED? Jan 24 03:50:04 hmm Jan 24 03:50:07 decided to take the pre back up. decent portable devive but typing on it is really painful now Jan 24 03:50:07 having problems with Mojo.Event.webViewUrlChanged Jan 24 03:50:16 the listner is not working Jan 24 03:50:45 renegaid, what were you using? Jan 24 03:51:08 epic 4g Jan 24 03:51:38 Did you like it? What made you leave/come back to webos? Jan 24 03:52:09 guys... Jan 24 03:52:12 Mojo.Event.listen($('webview'), Mojo.Event.webViewUrlChanged, this.fbURLChanged.bind(this)); Jan 24 03:52:16 what am i doing wrong here? Jan 24 03:52:56 I'm not back. just decided to turn on the pre again. phone isn't activated Jan 24 03:53:24 I left because the device blows and there are no apps Jan 24 03:53:41 had it replaced too many times Jan 24 03:54:22 renegaid, did you download pickup sports on epic 4g? Jan 24 03:54:29 i've never tested it on that phone yet Jan 24 03:54:42 never heard of it Jan 24 03:54:54 Well, we can just hope for a Pre2/Pre3 on sprint, I'm stuck with a Sprint Pixi :/ Jan 24 03:55:05 the phone is impressive though Jan 24 03:55:39 The Epic, I like android, but I'm going to wait it out with WebOS Jan 24 03:55:58 that's just one problem. the other major problem is no apps Jan 24 03:56:21 oh life has occurred in my absence.. ;^) Jan 24 03:56:31 wish I remember what I was wondering about.. Jan 24 03:56:56 though I do wish the contact app could see 'contacts' with the same email address and auto-link them together. Jan 24 03:57:07 this keep a person's gmail separate from their gtalk is.. redic Jan 24 03:57:09 guys Jan 24 03:57:17 i'd really love som ehelp on this =| Jan 24 03:57:23 on what? Jan 24 04:00:32 if it is about the webview thing, then i have no clue, im not much of a javascript developer.. i use ares most the time.... Jan 24 04:02:33 Mojo.Event.webViewUrlChanged Jan 24 04:02:37 why is this shit not working? Jan 24 04:04:09 hey folks, anyone here running Preware on webOS 2.0.1 on a Pre2? Jan 24 04:04:20 I don't know how to do much javascript coding. Have you asked the forums? Jan 24 04:04:30 funkatron: yeah i am running it on my pre2 Jan 24 04:04:41 I know some people that are runnin it on a Pre2 Jan 24 04:04:53 I'm having issues with it hanging on "Checking Service Access" Jan 24 04:05:12 gonna restart now Jan 24 04:05:39 funkatron: should be working fine Jan 24 04:05:58 i had an issue once where the service didn't get installed but preware installed just fine .. i reinstalled and it was OK Jan 24 04:05:59 rwhitby: yeah, lemme give it a reboot here and see how it foes Jan 24 04:06:01 it was a very strange situation Jan 24 04:06:03 goes Jan 24 04:06:47 so who wants to help with Spaz themes? I need CSS PROS. Jan 24 04:07:31 * rwhitby points to oil_pre Jan 24 04:07:49 oil_pre: my FOSS brother Jan 24 04:07:51 I've copied all my css code from his, without understanding any of it. Jan 24 04:08:08 this thing needs to reboot faster Jan 24 04:08:19 doesn't it have an SSD in it? ubuntu reboots in like 10s Jan 24 04:08:22 pre2 should reboot in about 60 second Jan 24 04:08:23 s Jan 24 04:08:24 dumb Jan 24 04:08:46 theme? Jan 24 04:09:24 oil_pre: I put theme switching into the latest spaz build I put up. it's just swapping CSS files. pretty straightforward Jan 24 04:09:56 nice Jan 24 04:10:13 rwhitby said there was a patch to make the pre do 101PALM, 102... photo naming but i don't see it.. anyone know where? I can't seem to find it anywhere (preware or online) Jan 24 04:10:19 aaaaaah my face is on fire :C Jan 24 04:10:39 are the stock apps any better in 2.0 Jan 24 04:11:08 they are mostly the same renegaid Jan 24 04:11:08 oil_pre: just add it here: https://github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos/blob/master/app/views/themes.js and put a css file in stylesheets/ Jan 24 04:11:49 yeah I don't think the stock apps are going to get major changes until after Enyo lands (which might be soon) Jan 24 04:11:53 probably bigger changes to them in the future with the switch to enyo Jan 24 04:12:03 * ajay can't seem to wait for the pre2 on Vz.. :( Jan 24 04:12:25 so why the big jump from 1.4 to 2 if barely anything changed Jan 24 04:12:50 total luna rewrite Jan 24 04:12:52 a bunch of shit changed Jan 24 04:12:55 nodejs services Jan 24 04:13:00 etc Jan 24 04:13:08 just, those core apps didn't much Jan 24 04:13:11 new native launcher Jan 24 04:13:20 yeah, the launcher is way way way faster Jan 24 04:13:22 more monkeys Jan 24 04:13:24 and just type is a lot better Jan 24 04:13:29 omg Jan 24 04:13:38 just type is way better Jan 24 04:13:40 a lot more features Jan 24 04:13:43 as if version numbers are determined on the amount of feature changes anyway ... Jan 24 04:13:46 and the auto correction system is lightyears ahead Jan 24 04:13:53 rwhitby: true Jan 24 04:13:54 marketing drives version numbers, not engineering. Jan 24 04:14:20 right - if it were up to the engineers, it would be webOS 3000 Jan 24 04:14:45 bpadalino: or webOS 0.99.456.23.145 Jan 24 04:14:54 indeed Jan 24 04:14:59 okay, deleting Preware and reinstalling is making it work mucho better Jan 24 04:15:01 yay Jan 24 04:15:06 yay Jan 24 04:15:24 oh, if you guys wanna try the new Spaz build, it's up here: http://getspaz.com/builds/webos/ Jan 24 04:15:27 lol Jan 24 04:15:44 I would TOTALLY love to put in more themes. I'm swamped with work and I don't think I'll be able to do anything for a few weeks Jan 24 04:16:43 spaz! Jan 24 04:17:04 * halfhalo has spaz's some times Jan 24 04:17:07 or if someone would just file down the rough edges on the Clean theme that would be awesome Jan 24 04:17:08 * ajay wants to be open source when he grows up Jan 24 04:17:12 spazzes Jan 24 04:17:36 * SineOt wants to be a firetruck! Jan 24 04:18:16 203 has the themes? Jan 24 04:18:40 yes Jan 24 04:18:46 go nuts Jan 24 04:19:00 if you say so.... Jan 24 04:19:06 * halfhalo goes insane Jan 24 04:20:11 okay Jan 24 04:20:12 haha Jan 24 04:20:23 halfhalo wasn't already there? Jan 24 04:20:27 :) Jan 24 04:20:33 I wonder why there's not a patch to rename videos in the same way Jan 24 04:20:34 so Preware said "there's a new version of me" in updates Jan 24 04:20:45 and I told it to install it Jan 24 04:21:03 now it's hanging on "Checking device type" again Jan 24 04:21:44 theres always room for more insane! Jan 24 04:21:46 haha Jan 24 04:21:52 is there a log I should look at? Jan 24 04:25:53 funkatron: weird. Does a reboot fix it? Jan 24 04:25:59 doing that now Jan 24 04:26:26 open lumberjack and trace messages for preware and dbus for ipkgservice before you run it again Jan 24 04:27:49 reboot seems to have fixed it Jan 24 04:28:03 thanks tho. I'll know to look there if that's what I run into Jan 24 04:28:34 hanging on checking device type either means the service wasn't running, or the service was hung still processing a previous request Jan 24 04:28:41 *nodnod* Jan 24 04:28:52 Whenever it hangs at that screen, I just reboot and it fixes everything. Jan 24 04:29:01 Who all is going to Feb 9th event? Jan 24 04:29:10 wish I could! Jan 24 04:29:14 I'm trying to! Jan 24 04:29:17 there probably are some corner cases lurking around preware updating itself and getting the service restarting properly Jan 24 04:29:19 Probably will. We'll see. Jan 24 04:29:42 Rwhitby: are you going to Feb9th? Jan 24 04:30:01 rwhitby: Oh, if you update Preware and a patch at the same time... It never does the Luna restart. Jan 24 04:30:19 SineOt: yeah, like that. Jan 24 04:30:54 PatrickC: 8000+ miles is a bit far for a press event and reception Jan 24 04:31:14 ohh i forgot that you were in another contry... lol Jan 24 04:31:24 I live in tennessee.. but its still far.. Jan 24 04:31:52 * SineOt lives a total of like... 400 miles. Has friends up there in the Bay Area, so free rooms. P: Jan 24 04:32:37 SineOt: lol i wish i had friends up there to stay with, i have family in LA Jan 24 04:32:58 * SineOt knows a ton of people up there. XD Jan 24 04:33:05 lol Jan 24 04:33:08 i'm up here Jan 24 04:33:22 so ur going? Jan 24 04:33:30 Tryin' to yeah. Jan 24 04:33:49 i'm a bart ride away (subway) Jan 24 04:35:07 fahhem, it mist be nice... lol Jan 24 04:35:44 Rapid transit dreams Jan 24 04:36:10 San Francisco to Oakland, Fremont Jan 24 04:36:16 Yeah just think, some day... There will be a rapid train from Socal to Norcal. Jan 24 04:36:20 but NOT TO SAN JOSE Jan 24 04:36:33 yeah then I can go see my WOMAN more regularly Jan 24 04:36:46 i m very close to write up the fb connect for webos Jan 24 04:36:51 you do need some server redirect tho =| Jan 24 04:37:05 but its ok, not a problem, i m at the final part of it Jan 24 04:37:16 anybody want to contribute when i m done? fbconnect for webos Jan 24 04:37:32 contribute what? Jan 24 04:37:40 what will "fbconnect" do? Jan 24 04:37:46 Yeah, what's it do? Jan 24 04:38:08 DoS's facebook with http requests Jan 24 04:38:21 Runs as a background service Jan 24 04:39:08 ok, well im very nubish when it comes to this kind of stuff, what does that do that the current fb app doesnt? Jan 24 04:39:10 chat? Jan 24 04:39:45 i'm gonna guess that it allows other apps to use the facebook api more directly instead of requesting a server to do the api comms Jan 24 04:40:58 aren't we getting better api's with 2.0 supposidly? Jan 24 04:42:03 anybody else seeing the bug for download numbers on Palm's site? Jan 24 04:42:10 nothing like that afaik Jan 24 04:42:39 ok Jan 24 04:42:41 just checking Jan 24 04:42:48 funkatron: pull to refresh, yay Jan 24 04:42:54 yeah Jan 24 04:43:01 I hope it's decently workable Jan 24 04:43:08 I'm not 100% happy with it but it's okay Jan 24 04:43:23 whats ok? im lost lol Jan 24 04:43:41 well if he wants me to answer he needs to wait a second Jan 24 04:44:04 Ok, I'll wait lol Jan 24 04:44:19 PatrickC: Pull to refresh in Spaz Jan 24 04:44:41 Like I said, I'm still very new to Webos coding, I don't have a lot of time to devote to coding with school and all. Jan 24 04:44:44 man, wasn't verizon selling these touchstones for like $2? Jan 24 04:44:50 HP wants $50 Jan 24 04:45:02 but, "No Payments + No Interest if paid in full in 6 months with Bill Me Later" Jan 24 04:45:03 heh Jan 24 04:45:26 They were selling the Pixi backs for $6 and free overnight shipping for a while Jan 24 04:45:58 PatrickC: I'm plannin to go to feb9 Jan 24 04:46:31 Sweet Jan 24 04:46:42 I hope that they do a live video coverage Jan 24 04:47:39 live 3d coverage in quadHD Jan 24 04:48:46 I wish lol Jan 24 04:49:10 I'm sure anyone who could manage to get to the feb9th event could find a place to stay.. couchsurfing, other webOS cats, or there was someone on the dev forums looking for others to share a hotel room Jan 24 04:49:38 okay folks, I'm goin to bed Jan 24 04:49:58 has anyone tried to work on a patch to rename the camera's .mp4 output (on creation)? Jan 24 04:50:12 I'm sure if I could go, I could find somewhere to stay, but with school, I don't have the money to fly half way across the contry for a 1 day event Jan 24 04:50:28 PatrickC: based on previous discussions with Palm PR, there will never ever be live video coverage of such an event Jan 24 04:50:41 I knoq that there is a patch to rename all video metadata Jan 24 04:51:10 audi! Jan 24 04:51:20 Ok, I didn't see that anywhere, and on the forums, they are all saying they hope they'll do a live vid coverage Jan 24 04:51:28 PatrickC: totally.. seems like there should be a devday coming up within a quarter Jan 24 04:51:40 lots of people hope for things that will never come to pass ;) Jan 24 04:51:41 rwhitby: never say never! (I mean, "never" is a looooooong time!) Jan 24 04:52:04 PatrickC: it was not a public statement, but was also not a confidential statement Jan 24 04:52:25 Ohh ok, lol thanks rod Jan 24 04:52:33 and was in the context of a live video stream from a devday event Jan 24 04:53:18 I haven't watched those videos yet, I'm going to try and watch them over the next few days Jan 24 04:53:22 nothin wrong with hopin/prayin, "it's what they're askin!" Jan 24 04:53:46 if you look at it from the point of view of the PR people running the event, there is no way you want an on-stage error to be immediately broadcast without the chance to fix it before broadcast Jan 24 04:54:18 Apple can do it. ;p Jan 24 04:54:23 with that logic, there's no reason to even have live events Jan 24 04:54:29 Then you do a 5 min delay Jan 24 04:54:53 SineOt: with rhetoric like that, seems like palm is always hopin/plannin to be a lesser than.. Jan 24 04:54:57 SineOt: and you've seen the fall-out when something does go wrong with their live events Jan 24 04:55:00 there's no chance for success with 'traditional' thinking Jan 24 04:55:14 is that why apple is failling so? I was wondering.. Jan 24 04:55:17 (also note that I am not speaking on behalf of Palm here) Jan 24 04:55:56 ajay: yeah, whether or not the press event is streamed live is definitely going to affect the long-term success of webOS ... Jan 24 04:55:57 understood.. but Palm's behaviors are .. frustrating.. Jan 24 04:55:59 I dunno, the most I've seen recently has been people making jokes about the Wifi getting backed up from the ton of people live blogging :p Jan 24 04:56:16 it's the pattern of behavior, not the feb9th event event in particular Jan 24 04:56:40 ajay: you mean like the traditional behaviour of calling out Engadget on the tablet leaks? Jan 24 04:56:41 If you're going to guffaw something so badly that it would have fall-out, then you need to better vet your presenters regardless of live streaming or not Jan 24 04:56:51 rwhitby: That was the BEST thing they have ever done! Jan 24 04:57:13 ajay: not really a pattern then, hey? ;) Jan 24 04:57:14 I didn't really look at it as 'calling out,' more like, being cheeky Jan 24 04:57:50 rwhitby: maybe they're going to change, but that's like "the exception that proves the rule" Jan 24 04:59:06 Is wIRC working in 2.0 for anyone else? It worked find yesterday for me, but then stopped working tonight Jan 24 04:59:32 I think the reactions to most of the behaviours of any company is mostly determined by the preconceived mental positions of those reacting. Jan 24 05:00:16 so then would it be "couldn't give a shit" for most companies? :p Jan 24 05:00:41 SineOt: indeed it is. when was the last time you reacted to a proctor and gamble press release? Jan 24 05:01:04 "Great new washing powder announced!" Jan 24 05:01:06 haha Jan 24 05:01:39 Oh, plenty of people react to products, maybe even moreso than to tech companies new products Jan 24 05:01:52 "Meh, Proctor and Gamble hasn't released any good washing powder since iWash 1.4.5, and I don't expect them to overtake Dynamo any time soon!" Jan 24 05:02:06 yeah, with a P&G product, you get inundated with ads about it Jan 24 05:02:50 Seriously, if hPalm advertised a quarter of a percent as P&G then the entire dynamic might just shift.. Jan 24 05:03:08 (and also had their products available in a portion of as many countries as P&G) Jan 24 05:03:12 ajay: they have to have something to advertise first ... Jan 24 05:03:21 rwhitby: I'll take that bet Jan 24 05:03:24 but then again, P&G don't hold press events to unveil new stuff either Jan 24 05:03:44 HP sells stuff in over 138 countries. Just not webOS devices (yet) Jan 24 05:04:02 I was only talking about Palm. Jan 24 05:04:27 Hopefully HPalm != [x=# of countries Palm devices are sold in] Jan 24 05:04:50 I think that 2.0 and the PalmPad will definitely help Palm out Jan 24 05:05:15 I spoke to the author of ntop the other day, he saw my phone, and was curious about it, but ..! it's not available in his country, so all that leaves is android Jan 24 05:05:58 * ajay was thinking of hitting up MacWorld this week, but .. (was so weak last year) Jan 24 05:06:58 Yeah, it's too bad. Jan 24 05:07:36 which is better to code with? ubuntu or Windows? Jan 24 05:07:57 Depends on what tools you want to use. Jan 24 05:08:05 I was thinking of turning my XP machine into a dual-boot XP-Ubuntu machine Jan 24 05:08:18 what does Ubuntu have that XP doesnt? Jan 24 05:08:45 doing PDK dev in Linux can be slightly a pain.. (I haven't done it in XP, but assume it's better since palm has tools avail) Jan 24 05:08:47 Uh... Hm. Jan 24 05:09:29 Patrick_C: Moral superiority Jan 24 05:09:30 isn't all the Palm stuff available on Linux? Jan 24 05:09:56 nope Jan 24 05:10:03 there's an SDK, but no PDK goodness.. Jan 24 05:10:09 if I'm gonna run ubuntu, do I do it in a VBox or dual boot Jan 24 05:10:33 can't you use a VBox and run XP inside Ubuntu? Jan 24 05:10:33 best machine for webOS dev is a mac I suspect, cause it has everything native, and can also easily run both windows and linux Jan 24 05:10:37 depends what you want to do Jan 24 05:10:56 well, I want a mac, but not for the price tag... Jan 24 05:11:03 Patrick_C: Build one! :) Jan 24 05:11:11 Yeah, or build one :p Jan 24 05:11:21 I've been playing with my friend's hackintosh Jan 24 05:11:23 how do I build a Mac without violating the EULA? Jan 24 05:11:41 You violate the EULA. Jan 24 05:11:48 You can't make an omelet without cracking a few egs Jan 24 05:12:01 s/cracking/breaking/ s/egs/eggs/ Jan 24 05:12:14 get a cheap mac mini ? Jan 24 05:12:15 SineOt: you're a developer right, and don't like people pirating your apps? Jan 24 05:12:15 lol, well the only reason I would is to develop an app for my old church for iOS Jan 24 05:12:28 Who said anything about Piracy? Jan 24 05:12:46 it's all just not complying with licenses ... Jan 24 05:13:04 yeah, who said anything about piracy? Jan 24 05:13:12 I was looking into the mac mini, but those are still kinda steep... I wish I could run it in a VBox :/ Jan 24 05:13:33 breaking EULAs, breaking copyright, .... what's the difference from the point of view of the law? Jan 24 05:13:38 Patrick_C: Isn't that possible? Jan 24 05:13:53 there is something to be said for "spirit of the law" vs "letter of the law" Jan 24 05:14:00 my old church doesn't want me to break the EULA to make the app, they would rather but one Jan 24 05:14:07 ajay: that's the argument the pirates use too ... Jan 24 05:14:13 it is, if I want to break the EULA Jan 24 05:14:42 ah, yes, the "buying and installing on non-Apple branded hardware" versus the "I just downloaded everything and won't pay a dime for it" :p Jan 24 05:14:43 rwhitby: haha, they can use it, doesn't mean they believe it in anyway! Jan 24 05:14:57 rwhitby: Would you jailbreak an iPhone if you owned it? Jan 24 05:15:01 s/it/one Jan 24 05:15:06 SineOt: yep, both are just shades of grey on the slippery slope Jan 24 05:15:12 jailbreaking is legal now Jan 24 05:15:23 just not the piracy apps Jan 24 05:15:24 Patrick_C: not according to rwhitby Jan 24 05:15:30 's definition Jan 24 05:16:00 yeah, a 99% grey and a 1% grey Jan 24 05:16:01 actually, scratch that whole sentence, we're not talking about legality, i don't think Jan 24 05:16:10 i wonder if you can get away with just running darwin to do the PDK stuff since its all commandline anyway Jan 24 05:16:19 huh! Jan 24 05:16:21 it voids you're warranty, but it isn't illegal now Jan 24 05:16:48 bpadalino: don't see why you couldn't, unless it touched something outside of Darwin Jan 24 05:17:02 my point was that jailbreaking [assumingly] breaks the EULA Jan 24 05:17:13 SineOt: dunno about the palm tools, but maybe the installer! :) Jan 24 05:17:21 ajay: who decides whether an EULA-breaker's idea of the "spirit of the law" is any more or less valid than a pirate's idea of "spirit of the law" ? Jan 24 05:17:41 You could strip the files out from the .pkg pretty easy though and just manually install them, though Jan 24 05:18:11 rwhitby: it's pretty obvious that app pirates are just running software without paying for it. Jan 24 05:18:19 once you've started down that slope, you can't really be so hypocritical to pass judgement on those who are just a little bit further along the slope, can you? Jan 24 05:18:27 I don't want to eliminate any moral legitimacy to their claims (I mean, think of what RMS would say) Jan 24 05:19:02 what would RMS would say? he'd eat something off his feet in front of a full conference hall :B Jan 24 05:19:05 but to jailbreak an iPhone, run 1 copy of MacOS on your hardware after paying for a license.. these are a _far_ stretch Jan 24 05:19:07 ajay: it's pretty obvious that hackintoshers are just running subsidised software without paying the hardware tax ... (mirroring your statement) Jan 24 05:19:14 if I made an iphone app in windows, how would I package it? (I know, wrong irc channel, but while we are on the subject) Jan 24 05:19:34 rwhitby: hmm.. hw tax.. interesting concept.. Jan 24 05:19:50 and now there's an upcoming "app tax" Jan 24 05:20:02 ajay: well, you know if MacOSX was meant to run on any hardware, it would be priced higher. Jan 24 05:20:16 I don't get impression that MacOS costs a lot less than Windows Jan 24 05:20:33 it is Jan 24 05:20:35 much Jan 24 05:20:42 MacOS is a lot better then windows Jan 24 05:20:48 so one might ask how avoidance of hw tax payment is any different from the pirates avoidance of sw payment? Jan 24 05:20:52 maybe MacOS's real subsidy is from the open source cmty Jan 24 05:21:21 Patrick_C: that's not related to the debate at hand.. Jan 24 05:22:10 ajay: note that I don't actually hold these moral platitudes, but just like to argue them now and again to keep my debating skills sharp ;) Jan 24 05:22:24 * ajay is not a fan of devil's advocates Jan 24 05:23:06 * halfhalo is a fan of crumb donuts Jan 24 05:23:13 and buying software Jan 24 05:23:27 but I do believe that if people are breaking a contract for their own convenience, then they should just man up and admit that's why they're doing it Jan 24 05:23:32 I still question the premise of "hardware tax".. pretty sure MacOS costs similarly to windows Jan 24 05:24:06 ajay: nope. Jan 24 05:24:13 halfhalo: Let's do the math Jan 24 05:24:20 yeah, about. 179 I think right now for the "full" Mac Box version of 10.6 Jan 24 05:24:37 And the 29$ "upgrade" (it's seriously the same version :I ) of 10.6 Jan 24 05:24:42 I got a family pack for less than that Jan 24 05:25:03 $49 for family pack "upgrade" Jan 24 05:25:20 169 for the Mac Box Set Jan 24 05:25:53 SineOt: Damnit! Thanks for looking that up before me. Now hitting the appropriate link on apple's page gives me a 404 Jan 24 05:26:08 they're stopping me from corroborating your version! Jan 24 05:26:15 yeah probably because the Box Set was a really stupid idea from the get go Jan 24 05:27:19 So if MacOS costs similarly to windows, and windows runs on a SHIT-ton of hardware, then MacOS is WAY overpriced. QED Jan 24 05:27:19 how much does win 7 pro cost Jan 24 05:27:36 $148 Jan 24 05:27:41 retail Jan 24 05:27:58 not oem Jan 24 05:29:02 * ajay wonders if he'll go to hell for visiting microsoft.com Jan 24 05:29:19 Why Pro not Home? Jan 24 05:30:04 ajay: alternatively, windows could be way underpriced Jan 24 05:30:10 since there is no multi level macos, it makes senses to compare the win version with the same feature set Jan 24 05:30:21 $199 and $299 Jan 24 05:30:27 ajay: or both could be way overpriced or way underpriced Jan 24 05:30:27 rwhitby: Fair enough Jan 24 05:30:56 brb Jan 24 05:30:57 they seem to be priced competitively for the market Jan 24 05:31:02 MacOSX server is $499 Jan 24 05:31:08 bpadalino: as most things tend to be :) Jan 24 05:31:22 rwhitby: i hear something like the market tends to sort those things out Jan 24 05:31:40 bpadalino: amazing this new fangled market technology Jan 24 05:31:52 bpadalino: I wonder how they priced things in the olden days? Jan 24 05:31:55 is there a win7server? win7Ultimate is $319 Jan 24 05:32:09 rwhitby: goats and your first born ? Jan 24 05:32:15 rwhitby: So that may, again, undercut the hw tax argument Jan 24 05:33:09 * ajay is super-excited about twilio.. NO charge to port your number to them, and they're super-interesting! Jan 24 05:33:29 ajay: ah, but it doesn't undercut the advertising argument Jan 24 05:33:37 ? Jan 24 05:34:03 ajay: if you run macosx on something other than a mac, then you haven't done your bit to advertise the glorious apple religion, so therefore you should have paid more Jan 24 05:34:10 If you want the MacOS experience, and/or the best, then you run apple HW, agreed Jan 24 05:34:39 ajay: and the clouding the true pure jobs message tax argument as well Jan 24 05:36:43 rwhitby: re apple religion, i don't think that really relates to this discussion. the clouding sentence, i didn't follow Jan 24 05:37:50 ajay: the argument is that the seller of an OS expects to recoup costs based not just on the piece of software alone, but on the overall effect on the cost and revenue from the whole ecosysttem Jan 24 05:37:57 e.g. consoles and games Jan 24 05:38:21 rwhitby: well, now they can have an app tax, so they'll be fine. :) Jan 24 05:38:28 so you can't use one piece of the ecosystem against an EULA and hold some moral position that it doesn't affect the company selling that item. Jan 24 05:39:02 since the EULA is there specifically to make sure that the ecosystem recoups the costs overall Jan 24 05:39:29 rwhitby: hmm, yeah i can see that logic holding water Jan 24 05:41:04 But EULA's are so.. disgusting, that I shant be one to tell anyone they should follow one Jan 24 05:41:16 hm, now I wonder if there was a EULA with my Pre.. Jan 24 05:41:26 ajay: yep Jan 24 05:41:28 i guess there was, wonder what it was.. who knows if I've broken it already Jan 24 05:41:30 indeed there is Jan 24 05:41:36 first button you press after you choose language Jan 24 05:41:39 oh yeah when i activated, that's right Jan 24 05:41:45 fahhem: assuming you don't meta-doctor first Jan 24 05:41:57 oooooooooooooooooooooo Jan 24 05:42:07 and you can meta-doctor without clicking any EULA, since .jar's can be unzipped Jan 24 05:42:35 I sold someone a Pre activation-bypassed.. i guess that's major eula avoidance (does that equate to breakage?) Jan 24 05:43:48 how does using the activation bypass break eula? palm gives that to u Jan 24 05:44:04 i'm telling mom! Jan 24 05:44:07 s/mom/Palm/ Jan 24 05:45:49 * ajay just sees an email that missed his inbox: "IRS or PCI: You decide" Jan 24 05:46:23 implication: avoid paying taxes, donate to a non-profit.. that could be considered dangerous rhetoric too. maybe worse than (gasp!) jailbreaking an iphone Jan 24 05:47:06 huh, using pandora on the web is such a different experience than using it on the phone.. (first day webbin it) Jan 24 05:47:46 Slacker > Pandora Jan 24 05:48:08 EULA < Righteousness Jan 24 05:48:09 s Jan 24 05:49:46 * ajay feels like he's advertising for Palm by renaming his pix from CIMG to PRE_ and uppin 'em to flickr Jan 24 05:51:26 is it just me or does mode switcher not support brightness unlinked? gah Jan 24 05:53:30 regularly scheduled saving? nice! now if i could choose which archive to restore, or at least not have it auto-delete older archives Jan 24 05:55:43 ajay: patches welcome ;) Jan 24 05:55:46 * ajay is surprised that people have asked "is that a Pre?" and nobody asking "iPhone" this whole year! Jan 24 05:55:55 rwhitby: speaking of..! Jan 24 05:56:06 how'd my code read? Lesse if I can try it.. Jan 24 05:56:39 err, your code, repackaged. :) Jan 24 05:58:34 aww shit i can't ssh into my device until I fix this, might as well.. Jan 24 05:58:45 ajay: my df returns three lines, two of which have 'var' in them which matches the grep Jan 24 05:59:38 ajay: and if your free space in /var drops below 64M, wont the upstart script suddenly stop mounting /opt for you Jan 24 06:00:08 (I don't think checking free space in /var is a good way to distinguish those who have used meta-doctor to increase the size of the /var partition) Jan 24 06:00:48 uhh Jan 24 06:01:07 * ajay hides Jan 24 06:02:08 rwhitby: Wait, how can df /var return 3 lines? Jan 24 06:02:30 root@palm-webos-device:/# df /var Jan 24 06:02:31 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Jan 24 06:02:31 /dev/mapper/store-var Jan 24 06:02:32 253920 68444 185476 27% /var Jan 24 06:03:28 oh yes, you are right, me too, but the result works Jan 24 06:03:57 I mean, the first line gets lost in the grep, and the second has nothing for awk to print Jan 24 06:04:22 but granted that checking available on upstart is problematic. Jan 24 06:04:28 can be Jan 24 06:04:58 I was thinking a du /var might be more instructive Jan 24 06:05:12 but really, why check in upstart AND postinst? Jan 24 06:06:19 why would your choice of where to mount /var from depend upon the instantaneous free space in /var at that point in time? Jan 24 06:06:26 really the problem I face with the new optware is that my /var/opt > 64MB, so I could very directly just address that issue Jan 24 06:08:18 err, take back my statement about checking, replace with: check if optware.ext3 exists. if not, and if /var/opt doesn't exist, then exit Jan 24 06:08:50 i shouldn't have reused the postinst logic there, fair enough, was trying to minimize changes to your code :) Jan 24 06:09:09 I'm lost in all the talk lol, night Jan 24 06:09:19 yeah maybe this'd be better in #webOS-i Jan 24 06:09:32 lol Jan 24 06:09:52 Patrick_C: lo siento! if you get me an eyePhone then you can watch the feb9th event! Jan 24 06:10:08 * ajay apologies for the obscure futurama reference :) Jan 24 06:10:31 not very obscure Jan 24 06:10:33 I'm going to try and learn "C" coding soon! (joy 'o joy, another language to learn lol) Jan 24 06:10:50 ajay: lol Jan 24 06:11:48 how do you all make it do whatever it does (on my screen, the entire message is lit up, what is that? lol Jan 24 06:12:12 ? Jan 24 06:12:50 " Patrick_C: lo siento! if you get me an eyePhone then you can watch the feb9th event!" is completely highlighted on my screen Jan 24 06:12:51 Patrick_C: if you're referring to my futurama comment, I prefaced my comment with /me Jan 24 06:13:28 oh, maybe just because i put your full nick in the beginning of the line? in BitchX when you're typing to me your nick turns from grey to yellow Jan 24 06:14:03 either way, i'm not doing anything, your chat client is :) Jan 24 06:14:21 I'm using wIRC Jan 24 06:14:31 yeah, just put "Patrick_C" anywhere in the line and it highlights in your client :) Jan 24 06:15:00 "ajay" so like this lol Jan 24 06:15:44 ok, I have to go to bed... night Jan 24 06:15:47 in my client it only works at the beginning of the line, possibly with a : Jan 24 06:15:59 doh Jan 24 07:25:28 * ajay can do extended ascii easier on his pre than computer.. hmm, something seems backwards here! Jan 24 08:44:55 huh, my dev pre seems to have a much stronger wifi signal than my vz pre+, in the same location. odd.. Jan 24 08:45:17 Are you holding it right ? ;) Jan 24 08:48:19 well, the Verizon pre I grip at the wifi antenna, the att pre I grip at the cell radio Jan 24 08:48:31 that was like an internet meme for a second! Jan 24 08:48:32 hehehe Jan 24 08:54:22 changed the flashing startup "Palm" into brittany spears with and w/o top (fade-in/out) Jan 24 09:01:00 ttfn! Jan 24 09:02:29 * ajay changed his chrome to make opera make money everytime he searches in it.. boo-yeah! haha.. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 24 11:22:50 2011 Jan 24 11:48:13 hi guys Jan 24 11:48:29 anyone working with webOS 2.0? Jan 24 13:24:59 morning Jan 24 13:25:45 afternoon Jan 24 13:25:58 lol. timezones. Jan 24 13:27:23 wirc is cool. Jan 24 13:28:09 :) Jan 24 13:30:33 :3 Jan 24 13:31:20 wirc + pixi over clock + pandora = dream phonw Jan 24 13:31:21 phone* Jan 24 13:32:09 hehe Jan 24 13:32:17 what about battery ? Jan 24 13:33:00 * s2i_palm is away: school. Jan 24 15:18:14 morning people :D Jan 24 15:59:50 good morning all Jan 24 16:01:04 morning Jan 24 16:01:19 ugggg Jan 24 16:01:27 to early... Jan 24 16:21:28 whoa, big uptick on one of my apps Jan 24 16:21:39 I sense a glitch Jan 24 16:40:22 a disortion in the force Jan 24 16:40:41 if not, then that's awesome :D Jan 24 16:41:13 i also saw an increase in sales Jan 24 16:41:26 here comes the man to ask! Jan 24 16:41:37 but i also got registrations so the increase seems legit Jan 24 16:41:48 (or parts of them) Jan 24 16:43:57 morning chuqui: any comments on the big increase of sales in the last days? Jan 24 16:44:03 are we talking about the increase in sales on the Palm site? Jan 24 16:44:09 I'm not tracking anything in this app, so I can't determine if they're legit or not Jan 24 16:44:31 but a 10% total increase is well out of the norm for me Jan 24 16:45:48 swisstomcat: morning! Jan 24 16:46:09 interesting .. i see nova-barleywine and 2.1 sdk in my logs :) Jan 24 16:46:13 morning chuqui Jan 24 16:46:32 what logs? Jan 24 16:46:43 no idea on the sales. maybe we're actually selling units again. Jan 24 16:46:51 chuqui: woohoo Jan 24 16:46:58 swisstomcat: that's the current early access release. not that I said that. Jan 24 16:47:14 oh Jan 24 16:47:27 patrickc: app installation tracking Jan 24 16:47:44 Chuqui: lol, I hope we get paid for the increased numbers, and its not a bug Jan 24 16:47:47 oh ok Jan 24 16:48:04 PatrickC: bugs? Us? Never. Jan 24 16:48:19 I know, that's what I thought Jan 24 16:48:41 chuqui: some saw huge increases .. might be a bug ... i saw a modest increase and also registrations (so these seem legit) Jan 24 16:49:02 chuqui: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=10865 Jan 24 16:50:48 swisstomcat: thanks. I'll take a look. there might be some reconciliation going, but if so, they didnt' tell me. which is unprecedented. Jan 24 16:50:50 (heh) Jan 24 16:51:02 heh .. more surprises, huh? :) Jan 24 16:51:28 chuqui: don't you just love surprises? :) Jan 24 16:51:32 there's only one "surprise" I'm waiting for at the moment Jan 24 16:52:12 I think we are all waiting for that one sugardave Jan 24 16:52:15 i'm waiting for global device and app catalog availability Jan 24 16:52:26 (paid apps that is) Jan 24 16:52:29 among other stuff Jan 24 16:53:01 I'll ask about this, just to see if I can find out what's happening. Jan 24 16:53:10 I'm awaiting 2.0 to release Jan 24 16:53:15 ok thanks chuq Jan 24 16:53:15 I like good suprises. Jan 24 16:55:32 I like surprises to be all like *boom* ENYO FACE! Jan 24 16:56:19 sugardave: I like those too. :) Jan 24 17:02:40 * PatrickC will be back in a few Jan 24 17:06:31 doesn't seem to be a reconciliation. they're looking at it. Jan 24 17:08:14 maybe HP gave out app coupons to their people Jan 24 17:12:22 chuqui: portal shows 433 sales, i only have 399 (probably less) registrations .. something seems off Jan 24 17:12:54 swisstomcat: my gut is telling me there's an issue, but I'll let engineering evaluate. Jan 24 17:13:05 yeah Jan 24 17:13:27 as you see from the thread, many devs are seeing it Jan 24 17:13:42 damn reality Jan 24 17:14:06 be prepared for the flood of app sales after feb 9th :) Jan 24 17:14:26 haha Jan 24 17:14:31 I'm prepared Jan 24 17:14:35 FOR NOTHING Jan 24 17:18:01 http://www.precentral.net/topaz-specs-exclusive-details Jan 24 17:19:52 ooo, what's an eCompass? Jan 24 17:22:10 eh specs are meh Jan 24 17:22:16 need to see it in action Jan 24 17:22:25 though, if price is right Jan 24 17:23:00 this is last year's model, no? Jan 24 17:23:43 yeah, maybe specs have changed a bit Jan 24 17:23:43 OMFG EXCLUSIVE Jan 24 17:25:46 Hows it going? Jan 24 17:25:51 im back btw Jan 24 17:27:05 nothing new Jan 24 17:27:06 except Jan 24 17:27:07 http://www.precentral.net/topaz-specs-exclusive-details Jan 24 17:28:54 well, it looks nice.. Jan 24 17:29:41 it will be fast (if those are the real specs) Jan 24 17:30:57 I wonder how hp plans to sell a slate with no apps. can't sell a slate with no kindle Jan 24 17:31:09 whayt did i miss? Jan 24 17:31:24 omg, no slates will be sold Jan 24 17:31:26 at all Jan 24 17:31:34 GIVE UP, HP! Jan 24 17:31:54 sugardave: tell me! Jan 24 17:32:05 hotdp: GIVE UP! Jan 24 17:32:07 NOW Jan 24 17:32:15 :( Jan 24 17:32:23 hotdp: http://www.precentral.net/topaz-specs-exclusive-details Jan 24 17:32:24 no love here today Jan 24 17:32:29 thanks swisstomcat§ Jan 24 17:32:48 don't give up. get some apps that people want to use instead of all that junk Jan 24 17:33:01 * PatrickC will have to take a short break for school right now :( Jan 24 17:33:53 renegaid - I agree Jan 24 17:34:13 They should be throwing money at big software houses Jan 24 17:35:27 windows 7 has been out just a few months and already has kindle. webos around for almost 2 yearrs and nothing Jan 24 17:36:27 didn't you already focus your "Palm sucks because they don't have ____ apps" on the IRC/chat systems? Jan 24 17:36:38 Aren't they developing a kindle app for Webos 2.0? Jan 24 17:36:46 * PatrickC will be just lurking Jan 24 17:37:10 that's a really small list if you sit down and think about it. beyond kindle and rdp there's not much left Jan 24 17:37:18 sugardave didnt you already focus your blatant fanboyism by ignoring all constructive comments.... Jan 24 17:37:19 yeah Jan 24 17:37:28 and I have a nook, so I just need a epub app, not a kindle one Jan 24 17:38:55 hopefully with more devices coming we will get some more interest in the market Jan 24 17:39:07 loudergood: not much left? Jan 24 17:39:11 CTLAdvance: it's not so much fanboyism as it is trying to get prepped for the next "Palm sucks because _________" wave Jan 24 17:39:21 bah Jan 24 17:39:27 consider the source Jan 24 17:39:33 there are like two online banking apps Jan 24 17:40:03 Its not our fault the dont bring the awesome.... Jan 24 17:40:21 we dont even have enyo yet, except for their specific launch partners they are trying to get setup Jan 24 17:40:24 it's your fault that YOU don't bring the awesome :P Jan 24 17:40:37 heh Jan 24 17:40:39 CTLAdvance: if only we knew who they were Jan 24 17:40:42 sound slike renegaid could be the next billionaire app developer Jan 24 17:40:45 he's got all the answers Jan 24 17:41:43 I do wish they kept the styling of the HP W7 Slate Jan 24 17:41:46 metal band and all Jan 24 17:42:17 so can we preorder these from HP directly or what> Jan 24 17:42:37 "soon" I expect *eyeroll* Jan 24 17:44:12 eh -- "HP is also making space for carrier customization as well." Jan 24 17:44:27 there goes the whole thing right there Jan 24 17:46:43 The question now becomes will they launch before the ipad2 Jan 24 17:47:07 whoo... snapfish Jan 24 17:49:45 wasnt sling supposed to be a day 1 launch partner with the pre -? Jan 24 17:50:08 * PatrickC time for lunch! :) Jan 24 18:16:54 wow... you two need to hug and make up :P Jan 24 18:17:27 :P Jan 24 18:19:37 min erfaring er Jan 24 18:19:42 spiegelau = kvalitet Jan 24 18:19:55 har 30 glas og ingen har fejl Jan 24 18:25:03 you crazy danes Jan 24 18:30:36 are we excited about Topaz? Jan 24 18:32:06 do you get excited by meh? Jan 24 18:32:16 haeffb_pre, that depends, is there a way I can get a free one? Jan 24 18:34:22 I do get excited by meh Jan 24 18:42:13 although i'm not sure I classify it as "meh" Jan 24 18:44:18 I'm pretty meh about tablets in general at this point Jan 24 18:44:58 i want to have babies with an ipad Jan 24 18:47:05 I just don't see them as that useful for inputting anything (also known as getting work done) Jan 24 18:47:42 why would you want to work on an ipad? Jan 24 18:47:59 that's like complaining an xbox360 doesn't run word, therefore it's a useless product :P Jan 24 18:47:59 the keyboard is pretty good Jan 24 18:48:00 for light work Jan 24 18:48:02 why would I want to get anything done? Jan 24 18:48:26 mugen-: ok then, the graphics chip is way underpowered in that case Jan 24 18:48:29 music, video, web Jan 24 18:48:54 exactly, it's a consumption device Jan 24 18:48:57 it's underpowered? Jan 24 18:49:06 compared to what? Jan 24 18:49:12 compared to an xbox360 :P Jan 24 18:49:41 and it's too big to be a nintendo DS Jan 24 18:51:07 peefect travel companion Jan 24 18:51:15 perfect, too Jan 24 18:55:01 mm doesnt look like it will come to sprint Jan 24 18:55:33 or not now anyway Jan 24 18:55:41 oh well Jan 24 18:55:58 freetether Jan 24 18:56:31 bah, last I checked my sprint pre 2 doesnt have wimax Jan 24 18:56:52 its a software update Jan 24 18:56:52 though, I guess niether does my town/city Jan 24 18:56:52 it doesn't? Jan 24 18:57:14 but thats besides the point Jan 24 19:09:02 chuqui: it's disappointing that it appears Palm and Sprint are no longer "in a relationship" Jan 24 19:09:50 "its complicated" Jan 24 19:11:00 yeah, that blows mightily Jan 24 19:17:38 Yeah, I just hope that they have something coming Jan 24 19:19:52 did they ever fill that job...sprint account manager...or whatever? Jan 24 19:23:28 hey guys, im back :) Jan 24 19:24:29 HEY Jan 24 19:24:35 whats up? Jan 24 19:25:01 do any of the LED flashlight apps work in 2.0? Jan 24 19:36:21 so, no one wants to talk? Jan 24 19:38:13 I'll talk. just vany answer the question... Jan 24 19:38:19 cant Jan 24 19:39:32 ok, what is the best language beside javascript to know to code for webos? Jan 24 19:39:47 i have some simple apps that i used ares to make, but they arnt that good Jan 24 19:39:59 Is the LED flashlight bright enough? Jan 24 19:40:23 I'm assuming it's a white screen with sleep disabled Jan 24 19:40:34 wow thios screen will make one big flashlight screen app Jan 24 19:40:35 :) Jan 24 19:40:55 the led can go up to 200 (whatever light is measured in lol) Jan 24 19:41:08 javascript for mojo or enyo apps Jan 24 19:41:12 it was very bright on my origanal pre plus with 1.4.5 and on m sprint pre Jan 24 19:41:18 C for PDK apps? Jan 24 19:41:30 well, i would love to do enyo, but we dont have that yet.. lol Jan 24 19:41:33 PatrickC: Oh, the camera's LED flash? Jan 24 19:41:38 yea Jan 24 19:41:57 my bad. I thought it was the screen you were lighting up Jan 24 19:42:34 nope, the led Jan 24 20:16:21 boo! Jan 24 20:46:13 eh! Jan 24 20:46:35 * ajay gahs, how to save expiring airline miles! Jan 24 20:48:46 is that a question? Jan 24 20:49:28 no, just a frustration Jan 24 20:49:52 you can use them for magazine subscriptions or donate them to charity and maybe get a tax deduction (at least you can on United) Jan 24 20:50:03 i find the best way to answer my questions is to say them out loud, which is often confusing to those around me.. i assumed i was talking to an empty channel.. :) Jan 24 20:50:14 oh a magazine sub i hadn't thought of.. Jan 24 20:50:32 or use them for an upgrade if you are flying soon Jan 24 20:50:33 (which is funny, because i read someone suggesting that when searching for my question online, haha..) Jan 24 20:51:00 looks like United also lets you use them for hotels or rental cars Jan 24 20:51:39 hmm UNited also lets you outright buy stuff with them Jan 24 20:56:07 I think Chuqui is actually fudge from the forums Jan 24 20:56:32 nope. I spell better. Jan 24 20:56:40 lol Jan 24 20:56:42 uh huh Jan 24 20:56:44 I like fudge Jan 24 20:56:57 not if your trying to fudge a leak ;) Jan 24 20:57:26 I KNOW NOTHING! Jan 24 20:57:43 lol Jan 24 20:57:57 funkatron: Manuel! Jan 24 20:58:03 ?? Jan 24 20:58:05 mirc was beeping. fudge is my nick on another irc :3 Jan 24 20:58:09 lol Jan 24 20:58:09 * Louder|laptop wonders if this is just going to get worse and worse as we get closer to 2/9 Jan 24 21:00:58 whats gonna happen on 2/9 Jan 24 21:00:59 ok time to release my topaz facts Jan 24 21:01:04 as fudgePacker Jan 24 21:01:57 ok... now I have to make time again for app dev... damn! Jan 24 21:02:05 large screen it is Jan 24 21:03:44 * dohtem is in a NyQuil haze Jan 24 21:04:19 screw drugs... cough syrup is enough Jan 24 21:15:12 is it Tablet time yet... Jan 24 21:15:27 ugh its only 1/24 Jan 24 21:29:25 haha Jan 24 21:31:48 now we need some super-phone leaks Jan 24 21:32:48 hey, anybody using firefox? Jan 24 21:34:32 among others, yes Jan 24 21:34:34 I'm using firefox 4 Jan 24 21:35:14 ff4b9 Jan 24 21:35:24 same Jan 24 21:41:51 night everyone Jan 24 21:47:56 waitin for that ff4 release.. Jan 24 21:48:25 I saw the LeWeb interview with the Chair of Mozilla, she was sayin FF4 is bringin the chrome-speed Jan 24 21:48:35 the betas are pretty nice Jan 24 21:48:52 they just rolled out the hardware acceleration Jan 24 21:49:48 ah almost time for class Jan 24 21:50:04 this is going to suck... 330-740 on mondays.. Jan 24 21:50:17 the 330-450 one was canceled this week thankfully Jan 24 21:50:33 if you have time for school, you have time to make themes Jan 24 21:50:44 lol Jan 24 21:50:44 * Tibfib uses chrome Jan 24 21:51:02 I am a horrible student, so I barely have time for anything Jan 24 21:51:05 later Jan 24 21:54:09 hey Jan 24 21:54:17 anybody else have mac + firefox? Jan 24 21:59:10 yes nyceane Jan 24 21:59:12 sup Jan 24 22:17:19 Draecos, can you check out something for me? Jan 24 22:17:24 http://www.ipickupsports.com Jan 24 22:17:31 can you click on any marker and see what pops up? Jan 24 22:23:34 HEY GUYS!!! Jan 24 22:23:41 I GOT FACEBOOK CONNECT TO WORK ON WEBOS!!! Jan 24 22:23:43 OMG OMG OMG!!! Jan 24 22:23:47 OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG Jan 24 22:23:48 !!! Jan 24 22:23:51 askldfjaskfj apfas fasd fja!!! Jan 24 22:23:53 I am awesome Jan 24 22:24:00 @chuqui!! Jan 24 22:24:19 nyceane: hey! Jan 24 22:24:31 I got FB Connect to work on WebOS! Jan 24 22:26:13 I'll be open sourcing it soon Jan 24 22:26:29 let me just clean up my code =D Jan 24 22:26:41 lol Jan 24 22:27:02 well, I needed it but couldn't find it =| Jan 24 22:27:07 so I decided to write it myself =D Jan 24 22:27:27 I've been refactoring my Pickup Sports like no other lol Jan 24 22:27:58 hey chuqui, can you feature my app Pickup Sports after this revision? Jan 24 22:28:08 thats hooked up with FB Connect =D Jan 24 22:28:29 I've been working super hard on it lol Jan 24 22:28:51 send me an email. another group does the features. I can forward the request to them. Jan 24 22:28:52 android wants to feature one of my other app I built for my full time job Jan 24 22:29:14 thanks chuqui, it's not in the market yet, I m trying to get it done next week Jan 24 22:29:23 chuqui: are you guys doing any sort of promotion for 2.0 apps? Jan 24 22:29:30 (featuring stuff) Jan 24 22:29:52 i still got fix my app for 2.0 jeez Jan 24 22:29:57 Tibfib: not sure what the details are, but I'd bet something will happen. Jan 24 22:30:05 sweet, I want in if so :) Jan 24 22:36:26 chuqui: BTW, I'm also seeing massively increased sales Jan 24 22:37:45 rwhitby: that's been found to be a bug. they're working on a fix. Jan 24 22:37:47 chuqui: according to the data that My WebOS Apps gets from the developer.palm.com account site, in the last three days, Preware Homebrew Documentation sold 1000 copies, which is more than in the first week that it was released, and is 100 times more than the usual single-figure sales per day. Jan 24 22:38:08 aw, bummer. I was hoping it was real :) Jan 24 22:39:58 rwhitby: so was I. Jan 24 22:46:45 chuqui, any idea how far hp will take webos? Jan 24 22:47:38 I'm really encouraged by what they see as the possibilities. Jan 24 22:47:54 anyone ever had problems with webos where it would switch back to EVDO when it's connected to wifi Jan 24 22:48:31 I find my pixi doing that some times when the screen is off Jan 24 22:52:43 chuqui: will NDA end on Feb 9th? Jan 24 22:53:15 we haven't said anything about that. if we did, it'd be under ND Jan 24 22:53:17 NDA Jan 24 22:53:54 :( Jan 24 23:58:18 can anyone help me edit the pixi speaker patch Jan 25 00:26:12 s2i: I've not seen your EVDO/wifi bug Jan 25 00:26:30 what kind of editing do you want to do on that speaker patch? Jan 25 00:27:05 I only have issues with the wifi on campus..it stops responding to my laptop and my pre together Jan 25 00:27:34 I wonder if I can make more wifi profiles... Jan 25 00:51:15 Is it possible to embed fonts in an app? Jan 25 01:06:55 hello webos community! :) Jan 25 01:07:09 hello PatrickC_Pixi Jan 25 01:07:24 hows it going? Jan 25 01:07:36 what's the current convorsation about? Jan 25 01:07:54 (the logs never work for me to look up things :p ) Jan 25 01:08:12 what logs do you use Jan 25 01:08:16 nothing happenin' at the moment. Jan 25 01:08:43 the ones that are linked to in the description Jan 25 01:08:47 ok cool Jan 25 01:31:05 dohtem: no, sadly... I really wish there was though Jan 25 01:31:45 Ah, thanks. I thought I was going nuts. I spent an hour messing with it Jan 25 01:32:10 yeah there's no @font-face support at all Jan 25 01:32:13 messing with what? lol Jan 25 01:32:21 hay SineOt Jan 25 01:32:31 Which is way butts Jan 25 01:32:56 hey PatrickC_Pixi Jan 25 01:33:15 hows it goin? Jan 25 01:33:20 what are you working on? Jan 25 01:38:22 Speedometer app, maybe redoing the buttons on Squish Remote Jan 25 01:39:31 cool, iust a speedometer, or is it like GPS Dashboard? Jan 25 01:41:07 nice..I could check that against my 20 year old speedo Jan 25 01:41:35 * Loudergood has mounted a touchstone just to the right of the ignition key in his car Jan 25 01:42:15 It's a GPS based speedometer that has a special "HUD" mode where the reflection from the display shines on the windshield. Jan 25 01:42:31 Of course, I expect a zero star review from someone trying to use it during the day. :p Jan 25 01:44:56 lol, if you need beta testers... I know someone (wink wink) lol Jan 25 01:46:38 * PatrickC_Pixi thinks that palm should sell touchstone kits for cars made just for SineOt's speedometer app :) Jan 25 01:47:44 I just bought some double sided mounting squares Jan 25 01:48:07 the come in clusters of four in the package and that's just about the right size for a touchstone Jan 25 01:48:22 stuck it on a nice shiny plastic spot and there it sits Jan 25 01:49:07 cool. but I still like my idea lok Jan 25 01:49:58 PatrickC_Pixi: http://gizmodo.com/5402693/diy-palm-touchstone-car-mount-death-to-all-cables - you can DIY Jan 25 01:50:55 I still need to hide my cable Jan 25 01:51:01 hey guys Jan 25 01:51:05 how do i parse long in webos? Jan 25 01:51:26 and yes, the touchstone magnet can handle frostheaves Jan 25 01:59:10 either the coding team @palm hasn't fixed the problem in the "My Apps" section, or my app sold a ton in the past 2 days Jan 25 02:06:05 PatrickC_Pixi: What app? :o Jan 25 02:06:46 you mean, what of my app? Jan 25 02:06:52 it's "Fog Horn" Jan 25 02:19:58 "The Playbook will offer battery life better or equal to the iPad" *Shows off device that reports it has 4 hours left on a 94% charge* :V Jan 25 02:56:29 hey guys Jan 25 02:56:35 how do i suspend my thread for few seconds? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 25 02:59:57 2011