**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 25 02:59:57 2011
Jan 25 03:25:42 <SineOt> hey mugen-
Jan 25 03:26:01 <mugen-> hey sine!
Jan 25 03:26:28 <mugen-> how's it going?
Jan 25 03:30:40 <nyceane> i m fucking awesome!
Jan 25 03:31:59 <s2i> lol
Jan 25 03:32:07 <s2i> first time i've seen someone curse on here
Jan 25 03:33:12 <dohtem> nyceane: Im waiting for your fb connect code :p
Jan 25 03:33:22 <mugen-> LOL
Jan 25 03:33:39 <mugen-> nyceane, what if i told you that i had fb code YEARS ago
Jan 25 03:33:44 <mugen-> huh!? WHAT NOW? :D
Jan 25 03:34:22 <dohtem> I want teh enyos!
Jan 25 03:34:55 <mugen-> hehe
Jan 25 03:35:08 <mugen-> nyceane, i'm jk man... i saw how happy you were earlier :)
Jan 25 03:42:40 <nyceane> my facebook connect works now =D
Jan 25 03:42:53 <nyceane> let me do a sample app, anybody feel like donating money? =D
Jan 25 03:44:42 <dohtem> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jVzVYPsQMU  -- just now saw this...
Jan 25 03:47:53 <nyceane> You can use Google Analytics to track traffic to your regular website that comes from high-end mobile devices like iPhones, Android devices, and the Palm Pre. All traffic from high-end mobile devices can be viewed by device or carrier under the 'Visitors' section in the 'Mobile' tab of your Analytics account, or in the 'Mobile advanced' section.
Jan 25 03:47:59 <nyceane> anybody figured it otut?
Jan 25 03:50:17 <s2i> nyceane: make a flash light using the camera LED on the pixi and i'll donate :P
Jan 25 03:50:31 <s2i> highly impossible tho :3
Jan 25 03:51:20 <bpadalino> is highly impossible different from impossible ?
Jan 25 03:51:47 <s2i> some say the impossible is possible
Jan 25 03:51:54 <s2i> im putting more emphasis on impossible :3
Jan 25 03:58:22 <nyceane> hey
Jan 25 03:58:26 <nyceane> anybody figured out GA for WebOS?
Jan 25 04:06:35 <rwhitby> making a flash light using the camera LED on the pixi is certainly not impossible
Jan 25 04:07:41 <PatrickC> hello webos community
Jan 25 04:08:09 <SineOt> hi
Jan 25 04:08:26 <PatrickC> hay SineOt
Jan 25 04:08:45 <PatrickC> Eclipse decided to not respond...
Jan 25 04:08:53 <SineOt> It does that. A lot.
Jan 25 04:09:09 <PatrickC> I'm in the middle of making an Android app! lol
Jan 25 04:09:47 <SineOt> Sounds... Fun? P:
Jan 25 04:10:12 <PatrickC> lol, i dont like Java, i prefer HTML or Javascript... :)
Jan 25 04:10:43 <bpadalino> they all serve their own purposes
Jan 25 04:11:10 <PatrickC> eclipse is not responding again...
Jan 25 04:11:14 <PatrickC> this is getting annoying
Jan 25 04:11:33 <PatrickC> i know that they all serve their own purposes.. cant they just be easier to learn?! lol
Jan 25 04:12:10 <bpadalino> using eclipse is probably making the experience much worse .. try just a text editor instead of a full ide ?
Jan 25 04:12:41 <PatrickC> well, they use eclipse for the tutorials on developer.android.com
Jan 25 04:12:47 <PatrickC> so im just using what they use
Jan 25 04:13:18 <PatrickC> i would use a text editor (NoteTab) but then i would have to build all the files from scratch (and thats no fun.. lol)
Jan 25 04:13:40 <bpadalino> javac *.java usually works pretty well for small projects
Jan 25 04:14:48 <PatrickC> u mean from the command prompt (windows)
Jan 25 04:15:25 <halfhalo> theres your problem
Jan 25 04:15:37 <PatrickC> what, windows? lol
Jan 25 04:15:42 <halfhalo> yes
Jan 25 04:15:49 <PatrickC> im thinking about making it a dual-boot machine with ubuntu
Jan 25 04:15:54 <PatrickC> but not certain yet
Jan 25 04:17:25 <SineOt> It's easy to do, really.
Jan 25 04:17:32 <PatrickC> stupid eclipse! lol
Jan 25 04:17:39 <SineOt> And yeah, Eclipse is bad.
Jan 25 04:18:03 <PatrickC> i know it is, but i cant boot from USB, so I cant use the "Try It" feature (my DVD drive is sooo slow)
Jan 25 04:18:18 <PatrickC> well, is there another replacement for eclipse, beside a text editor
Jan 25 04:18:48 <bpadalino> there's emacs .. that's like an operating system
Jan 25 04:19:00 <bpadalino> or vim - that's a way of life
Jan 25 04:19:36 <PatrickC> lol, whats vim (googling it now) and same with emccs
Jan 25 04:19:40 <PatrickC> emacs**
Jan 25 04:20:14 <bpadalino> they're text editors that have been around for quite a long time
Jan 25 04:20:40 <SineOt> ugh ugh ugh why would you recommend those :C
Jan 25 04:20:46 <bpadalino> do you really giggle this much in real life?
Jan 25 04:20:56 <PatrickC> im currently using NoteTab
Jan 25 04:21:33 <bpadalino> SineOt: i think vim is pretty decent .. rwhitby seems to like emacs (but i hear he has an 11th finger somewhere so he can do all the key combinations)
Jan 25 04:21:53 <PatrickC> bpadalino: lol
Jan 25 04:22:15 <SineOt> I've not used VIM, but I know that emacs is a way terrible recommendation for a lot of people :C
Jan 25 04:23:06 <dpivs> hello friends!
Jan 25 04:23:31 <bpadalino> if you can't learn an editor, how are you supposed to learn a programming language?
Jan 25 04:23:34 <PatrickC> hello
Jan 25 04:24:16 <SineOt> by learning the language, not learning a language all while trying to fight with a text editor!
Jan 25 04:24:49 <bpadalino> Notepad++ works well then
Jan 25 04:25:03 <dpivs> i learned the html on notepad ~sigh~
Jan 25 04:25:05 * Tibfib loves notepad++
Jan 25 04:25:40 <bpadalino> TextMate is pretty good on OSX
Jan 25 04:25:51 <PatrickC> im not on osx :(
Jan 25 04:26:00 <PatrickC> i want to be, but dont have the money
Jan 25 04:26:20 <SineOt> Pick up a previous generation Mini. :p
Jan 25 04:27:01 <PatrickC> they are still out of my price range (currently set at about $50)
Jan 25 04:27:02 <bpadalino> SineOt: you should try out vim.. once you understand command mode and editing mode ..
Jan 25 04:27:08 <bpadalino> you're good
Jan 25 04:28:31 <SineOt> I might at some point, but right now... Almost everything I do is met nicely by my IDE :p
Jan 25 04:29:13 <dohtem> what IDE do you use?
Jan 25 04:29:14 <PatrickC> what IDE? eclipse?
Jan 25 04:29:33 <SineOt> Espresso
Jan 25 04:30:07 <SineOt> http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ < really nice with webOS.sugar, the webOS plugin
Jan 25 04:30:28 <PatrickC> ok, well i was going to ask if webos had a plugin.. but u answered lol
Jan 25 04:31:02 <SineOt> It also really helps that one of the devs for Espresso does webOS development, so webOS.sugar is pretty well built.
Jan 25 04:31:15 <dpivs> i use coda
Jan 25 04:31:57 <Tibfib> there was a textmate clone for windows.. e ?
Jan 25 04:32:09 <Tibfib> http://www.e-texteditor.com/
Jan 25 04:32:13 <PatrickC> well, esspresso is out the window for me (as im on windows :( )
Jan 25 04:32:16 <SineOt> Yeah, I looked at that too... But ended up with Espresso, since I had a friend who transferred me his license.
Jan 25 04:32:26 * dohtem loves Notepad++
Jan 25 04:32:32 <Tibfib> the webOS extension should work in e
Jan 25 04:32:38 <Tibfib> dohtem: props :)
Jan 25 04:32:52 <PatrickC> coda is out the window too :(
Jan 25 04:32:58 <PatrickC> i might try notepad++
Jan 25 04:33:00 <bpadalino> e just crashed too much for me to be useful .. i bought a license and now i never use it
Jan 25 04:33:32 <Tibfib> I demoed it out, but just couldn't part from notepad++
Jan 25 04:33:48 <SineOt> Yeah, I've heard lots of stuff about Notepad++ being nice.
Jan 25 04:33:48 <PatrickC> e-text editor, i dont like things that cost money :D
Jan 25 04:33:58 <SineOt> dpivs: what do you think of Coda?
Jan 25 04:34:01 <halfhalo> well then
Jan 25 04:34:11 <dpivs> i love it like a fat boy love cake.
Jan 25 04:34:21 <dpivs> i like it a lot, hehe.
Jan 25 04:34:33 <PatrickC> dpivs: lol
Jan 25 04:34:40 <dpivs> although i think most if not all of my coworkers are big textmate fans.
Jan 25 04:35:08 <bpadalino> tm is nice .. and allan is a really nice guy
Jan 25 04:35:10 <PatrickC> textmate: again, another osx editor! lol
Jan 25 04:35:19 <PatrickC> which should i install first
Jan 25 04:35:22 <dohtem> time for a hackintosh
Jan 25 04:35:24 <PatrickC> notepas++ or vim
Jan 25 04:35:28 <dohtem> I want to try all these editors
Jan 25 04:35:31 <bpadalino> go with notepad++ ..
Jan 25 04:35:33 <bpadalino> vim is too advanced
Jan 25 04:35:39 <PatrickC> ok
Jan 25 04:36:10 <PatrickC> i dont feel like violating the EULA (we had a discussion on this, i think it was, last night...) lol
Jan 25 04:36:16 <PatrickC> for hackintosh
Jan 25 04:36:19 <dohtem> bpadalino: vim is pretty awesome when you know your way around
Jan 25 04:36:25 <bpadalino> dohtem: i agree
Jan 25 04:37:09 <dpivs> yeah vim is cool.
Jan 25 04:37:16 <Loudergood> heh, yeah I use vim or kate
Jan 25 04:37:27 <dpivs> you get street cred if you're good at vim.
Jan 25 04:37:35 <Loudergood> or notepad++ if I'm in windows
Jan 25 04:37:38 <SineOt> what kind of streets are those
Jan 25 04:37:41 <Loudergood> I wouldn't say I'm good at vim
Jan 25 04:38:07 <dpivs> SineOt, quiet and clean ones where the trash gets picked up frequently.
Jan 25 04:38:26 <PatrickC> notepad++ has a lot of plugins
Jan 25 04:38:33 <SineOt> those exist? lol
Jan 25 04:38:40 * PatrickC brb
Jan 25 04:38:53 <dpivs> haha, one can dream.
Jan 25 04:39:23 * dohtem is rewatching this enyo presentation
Jan 25 04:40:50 <mugen-> violating a EULA for osx?
Jan 25 04:41:08 <mugen-> that's dumb :P just make sure you buy osx and do with it whatever the hell you want
Jan 25 04:42:21 <dohtem> thats what that company psystar thought
Jan 25 04:43:09 <mugen-> they were reselling
Jan 25 04:43:12 <mugen-> that's different
Jan 25 04:43:14 <dpivs> yeah, but psystar was trying to sell their hackintoshes.  if someone buys os x and hackintoshes it who at apple's going to know or care?
Jan 25 04:43:27 <SineOt> yeah, the case never got to the point where the legality of Apple's EULA was in question
Jan 25 04:43:41 <SineOt> since it got canned with Psystar selling copies of OSX being a violation
Jan 25 04:43:51 <mugen-> yeah...
Jan 25 04:43:51 <SineOt> not the EULA clause saying you can only install on Apple hardware
Jan 25 04:45:56 <SineOt> and even then EULA legality depends on what court you bring it up in! :U
Jan 25 04:46:49 <PatrickC> lol
Jan 25 04:50:36 <PatrickC> i really like the layout of notepad++
Jan 25 04:50:53 <PatrickC> im going to uninstall NoteTab and give Notepad++ a good chance! lol
Jan 25 04:55:03 * PatrickC really likes notepad++ :)
Jan 25 04:55:05 <PatrickC> thanks
Jan 25 04:57:11 * PatrickC is done with eclipse for the night
Jan 25 05:00:19 <dpivs> hey anyone check out these 'mobile expressionist' vids on the palm dev site?
Jan 25 05:02:50 <PatrickC> i havent
Jan 25 05:03:21 <dpivs> they're pretty cool, go take a looksee, developer.palm.com
Jan 25 05:03:57 <dpivs> they interview the guys who made the paratrooper game and the guy who made flickr mundo ( and mywebosapps i think)
Jan 25 05:04:06 <dpivs> and a game company, i can't remember their name
Jan 25 05:04:40 <dohtem> yeah, i cant wait for them to add more
Jan 25 05:04:53 <dohtem> glu mobile was the company
Jan 25 05:05:03 <dpivs> ah, yeah glu mobile, thanks dohtem.
Jan 25 05:05:48 * PatrickC thinks its time to write that app review that he has been putting off :)
Jan 25 05:27:30 <SineOt> Anyone got some awesome RSS feeds?
Jan 25 05:28:35 <dpivs> just a general rss feed?
Jan 25 05:29:05 <SineOt> Any subject, any update schedule, prerequisite is just that it's AWESOME.
Jan 25 05:29:35 <dpivs> you might already have this one, feed://www.xkcd.com/rss.xml
Jan 25 05:30:20 <SineOt> goatkcd.com is better :Q
Jan 25 05:38:18 * PatrickC is probably done with the review now. will put finishing touches on it tomorrow, and then post it
Jan 25 05:38:34 * PatrickC says don't forget to check out http://www.howsmyapp.com/
Jan 25 05:44:45 <PatrickC> night webos
Jan 25 13:57:14 <doohan> ello all
Jan 25 13:57:30 <doohan> Don't suppose there's been any word on webos 2.0 for orignal pres has there?
Jan 25 14:01:57 <fprimex> doohan: nothing official, I don't think, but:
Jan 25 14:01:58 <fprimex> http://www.precentral.net/palm-posts-webos-2-0-backup-documentation-sprint-pre
Jan 25 14:02:27 <doohan> I'm on o2 in the uk, and since they'r enot shipping the pre anymore I'm guessing they won't be providing updates either
Jan 25 14:03:09 <doohan> I'd hope I was wrong about that though :)
Jan 25 16:15:08 <hotdp> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/how-microsoft-plans-to-market-against-the-ipad/8513 lol
Jan 25 19:03:07 <SineOtter> You know what's crazy? NASA is planning a "future mission" to the Moon with a robot that can be controlled from Earth and broadcast near live video... Something the Russians did in the 1960s! D:>
Jan 25 19:08:11 <SineOtter> Also, this is kind of funny: The Palmpad name got rejected by the USPTO because it's "too similar" to the trademarks of... Get this... Palm and Palm webOS. That's really sad.
Jan 25 19:08:28 <SineOtter> Does the USPTO not realize that HP now holds the rights to those trademarks? :B
Jan 25 19:08:42 <swisstomcat> hah
Jan 25 19:11:41 <radiofreejohn> SineOtter: just because it was done before doesn't mean it can't be done better now, Re Lunakhod. We have much better robots now :)
Jan 25 19:11:55 <radiofreejohn> a lot of science is like programming, iterative design and production :)
Jan 25 19:12:38 <SineOtter> well of course :]
Jan 25 19:14:11 <SineOtter> I don't know how I feel abotu some of these possible tablet names :p
Jan 25 19:14:54 <dkirker> You are supposed to feel excited and amazed!!!!!!
Jan 25 19:14:56 <radiofreejohn> i still think the ipad sounds like a digital tampon, but oh well
Jan 25 19:15:09 <radiofreejohn> dkirker: I'll be excited when they fix the keyboard :)
Jan 25 19:15:18 <dkirker> hehe
Jan 25 19:15:19 <radiofreejohn> but all the same I will probably sell my iPad for one
Jan 25 19:15:39 <dkirker> I can't wait until the Feb 9th event! I am so excited!
Jan 25 19:15:41 <SineOtter> I'll be excited and amazed if they launch it with the Topaz name! which is better than Touchcanvas or Touchslate or Duopad!
Jan 25 19:15:49 <radiofreejohn> dkirker: chances are the devices won't land until at least March
Jan 25 19:15:58 <SineOtter> The hardware sounds awesome, it's just that the names are ABYSMAL
Jan 25 19:16:09 <radiofreejohn> SineOtter: Agreed, completely, the synergy of calling it a Palm** something is lost on me
Jan 25 19:16:12 <radiofreejohn> Topaz sounds much nicer
Jan 25 19:16:14 <radiofreejohn> and Opal
Jan 25 19:16:19 <dkirker> not likely. I think an announcement before the launch is logical.
Jan 25 19:16:43 <radiofreejohn> dkirker: they can't release devices on Feb 9th because devs don't have any SDK on hand :P
Jan 25 19:16:50 <radiofreejohn> then again maybe they are out to preferred developers
Jan 25 19:16:59 <dkirker> maybe
Jan 25 19:17:00 <radiofreejohn> which would put several decent apps out for it at release, but I doubt it
Jan 25 19:17:10 <SineOtter> who knows
Jan 25 19:17:15 <radiofreejohn> they need to hit the ground running and without a shitload of good apps it won't gain immediate traction
Jan 25 19:17:23 <radiofreejohn> and they have the iPad 2 to contend with come March/April
Jan 25 19:17:32 <SineOtter> I think if Palm/HP played their cards right they could give them out at the dev event :p
Jan 25 19:17:49 <swisstomcat> that'd be cool
Jan 25 19:17:58 <swisstomcat> together with the enyo beta
Jan 25 19:18:06 <SineOtter> it sounds like they had it ready to announce at CES, but didn't
Jan 25 19:18:07 <radiofreejohn> they tend to give out devices, sure, but these are not pos Pre- devices :)
Jan 25 19:18:26 <SineOtter> and if they've been on top of their FCC filings, it can get cleared the same day
Jan 25 19:18:41 <SineOtter> (see: Verizon iPhone getting FCC certification like 2 hours after the announcement event)
Jan 25 19:18:43 <radiofreejohn> if they were giving out at the dev event, i'd consider driving up there :)
Jan 25 19:18:47 <radiofreejohn> or if I knew someone to carpool with
Jan 25 19:19:14 <SineOtter> where you at, radiofreejohn?
Jan 25 19:19:17 <radiofreejohn> san diego
Jan 25 19:19:32 <SineOtter> I think there's a few Socal devs trying to put together a carpool
Jan 25 19:19:35 <dkirker> I am forcing myself to go to the dev event because I stupidly didn't got to the Sunnyvale Dev Day last summer...
Jan 25 19:19:46 <radiofreejohn> cool, maybe i'll check the forum
Jan 25 19:20:19 <SineOtter> yeah, dkirker, I missed the first dev event and didn't go to New York, and I promised myself I'd go to the next event in California... Which happens to be this one
Jan 25 19:20:29 <radiofreejohn> i went to the node.js event
Jan 25 19:20:31 <SineOtter> we're going to make a mini vacation out of it anyways
Jan 25 19:20:39 <SineOtter> otherwise I'd be down for carpooling
Jan 25 19:20:49 <radiofreejohn> i would make a vacation out of it but i've already hit up SF twice in the past few months :)
Jan 25 19:21:04 <SineOtter> I've never been to SF, haha
Jan 25 19:21:09 <radiofreejohn> it's a lot of fun
Jan 25 19:21:20 <SineOtter> Thanks to Fuel I'm pretty sure I can ALMOST make it on just one tank of gas
Jan 25 19:21:24 <radiofreejohn> I made the rounds though, hit up Yosemite, Monterey bay etc...
Jan 25 19:21:33 <dkirker> SineOtter: :o Never been to SF?!?!?!?!?!!!
Jan 25 19:21:43 <SineOtter> well no, rather, I've been once
Jan 25 19:21:46 <SineOtter> when I was like 6
Jan 25 19:21:54 <SineOtter> and we landed at SFO and drove to Stockton
Jan 25 19:21:59 <dkirker> Oooooo! SF is so much fun!
Jan 25 19:22:00 <SineOtter> so I remember next to nothing of it
Jan 25 19:22:07 <SineOtter> haha well yeah, I bet!
Jan 25 19:22:11 <SineOtter> I'd love to live up there
Jan 25 19:22:18 <dkirker> I am excited that I am moving to the South Bay so that I can go to SF frequently.
Jan 25 19:22:36 <SineOtter> Yeah, we're probably going to crash at a friends place in Santa Clara
Jan 25 19:22:38 <radiofreejohn> it's a great city
Jan 25 19:22:44 <radiofreejohn> so much good food
Jan 25 19:22:50 <SineOtter> and make a day trip out to Berkley to visit another friend of mine
Jan 25 19:22:52 <dkirker> and very diverse, too
Jan 25 19:22:54 <radiofreejohn> I wonder how anyone gets work done there
Jan 25 19:23:11 <radiofreejohn> I guess because it's not super beautiful outside :)
Jan 25 19:23:16 <radiofreejohn> you are either inside working or out eating/being social
Jan 25 19:23:26 <SineOtter> haha yeah basically!
Jan 25 19:33:11 <oilsworkn> so i got bored at work
Jan 25 19:33:18 <SineOtter> yeah?
Jan 25 19:33:21 <halfhalo> happens to me alot
Jan 25 19:33:22 <oilsworkn> and compiled data about my support emails
Jan 25 19:33:38 <oilsworkn> for my first catalog app
Jan 25 19:34:20 <oilsworkn> http://i56.tinypic.com/np110i.png
Jan 25 19:34:47 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 25 19:34:55 <halfhalo> this is why I don;t do support!
Jan 25 19:35:21 <dkirker> HAHA! "Unprovoked insults"
Jan 25 19:36:39 <HattCzech_work> i need to categorize my support e-mails
Jan 25 19:36:53 <oilsworkn> haha
Jan 25 19:36:55 <HattCzech_work> i think 75% would be "detailed in the faq"
Jan 25 19:37:10 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 25 19:37:19 <SineOtter> yeah I got a like 1 star review on my Boxee Remote because someone "doesn't know what it does"
Jan 25 19:37:19 <oilsworkn> i lumped those into "actual questions/feedback"
Jan 25 19:38:33 <SineOtter> ahaha, you actually had that many people just sending completely blank messages with only the sent from my <device> in it?
Jan 25 19:38:53 <nyceane> ello guys
Jan 25 19:38:57 <nyceane> my body is so tired =(
Jan 25 19:39:00 * halfhalo loves how all his regex is like 5 lines right now
Jan 25 19:39:19 <nyceane> I went to workout yesterday and I barely have strength to type today =_=
Jan 25 19:39:37 <oilsworkn> finger crunches?
Jan 25 19:39:55 <nyceane> just tired, i m working in a cafe
Jan 25 19:40:28 <nyceane> and this chick next to me had her cleavage out the whole time
Jan 25 19:40:43 <nyceane> I can't even concentrate, all I want to do is just keep staring at it =|
Jan 25 19:40:44 <nyceane> wtf
Jan 25 19:41:30 <SineOtter> :I
Jan 25 19:41:37 <oilsworkn> it could be worse
Jan 25 19:41:48 <oilsworkn> it could be a LOT worse
Jan 25 19:41:52 <swisstomcat> heh
Jan 25 19:41:56 <nyceane> it could be better too
Jan 25 19:42:01 <SineOtter> yeah, you could be DEAAAAAAAAAAAD
Jan 25 19:42:04 <nyceane> she can invite me to her hotel and it would be a lot better
Jan 25 19:42:27 <nyceane> those double D cleavage....
Jan 25 19:42:28 <nyceane> =|
Jan 25 19:43:00 <Mousey> link?
Jan 25 19:43:12 <nyceane> errr, she was sitting next to me, no links =|
Jan 25 19:43:25 <swisstomcat> pics or it didn't happen
Jan 25 19:43:25 <Mousey> then it didn't happn!
Jan 25 19:43:27 <nyceane> I can't go up and say "hey can i take a picture of your stuff?"
Jan 25 19:43:37 <Mousey> oh, but yes you can!
Jan 25 19:43:51 <oilsworkn> haha
Jan 25 19:43:55 <nyceane> lol
Jan 25 19:43:59 <nyceane> I wish =|
Jan 25 19:44:00 <Mousey> she's flaunting it like that, being asked to have her picture taken is but a formality!
Jan 25 19:44:28 <nyceane> duno, i havn't had sex for a while, if i get too close I might lose myself =|
Jan 25 19:44:34 <oilsworkn> LOL
Jan 25 19:44:38 <Mousey> i'll give you my Universal Girl Advice(tm) that works for anyone
Jan 25 19:45:00 <swisstomcat> what channel is this again?
Jan 25 19:45:01 <Mousey> no matter how hot or stacked or smart or attractive a woman is.. somebody somewhere is sick of her sh!t
Jan 25 19:45:20 <nyceane> that is true, i am sick of my girlfriend
Jan 25 19:45:25 <Mousey> just keep that in mind when taking your camera out and speaking with her, she won't be intimidating ;)
Jan 25 19:45:41 <halfhalo> oh, hey, regex fallthrough FAIL
Jan 25 19:45:49 <nyceane> lol
Jan 25 19:46:15 <nyceane> ok, now shes gone, i can go back to business
Jan 25 19:46:20 <nyceane> ajax request
Jan 25 19:46:28 <nyceane> if i request get html/javascript on a page
Jan 25 19:46:34 <nyceane> does the page load everything?
Jan 25 19:47:02 <SineOtter> what do you mean? like if you do an ajax request for a page, will it pull everything?
Jan 25 19:47:13 <nyceane> yah
Jan 25 19:47:17 <oilsworkn> yes
Jan 25 19:47:21 <oilsworkn> well
Jan 25 19:47:22 <oilsworkn> the html
Jan 25 19:47:29 <oilsworkn> whatever is in the document
Jan 25 19:47:33 <nyceane> does the javascript on the page gets hit?
Jan 25 19:47:37 <nyceane> some javascript
Jan 25 19:47:46 <nyceane> I'll open source this part later
Jan 25 19:47:47 <oilsworkn> i think prototype strips the js unless you tell it otherwise?
Jan 25 19:48:00 <oilsworkn> i could be wrong
Jan 25 19:49:45 <nyceane>                 contentType: 'text/html',
Jan 25 19:49:45 <nyceane> contentType: 'text/html',
Jan 25 19:50:20 <nyceane> text/javascript
Jan 25 19:50:27 <nyceane> application/javascript
Jan 25 19:50:30 <nyceane> which one should i use?
Jan 25 19:52:41 <oilsworkn> nyceane: idk :/
Jan 25 19:52:45 * oilsworkn goes to lunch, bbl
Jan 25 19:52:52 <nyceane> ah man wtf
Jan 25 19:52:56 <nyceane> lol
Jan 25 19:53:36 <SineOtter> I think text/html would work? Not sure though
Jan 25 19:53:58 <nyceane> also, its an empty page
Jan 25 19:54:04 <nyceane> only javascript is thee
Jan 25 19:55:35 <SineOtter> oh
Jan 25 19:55:46 <SineOtter> hm, so you want to pull the JS and run it?
Jan 25 19:57:37 <Loudergood> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc1341/4_Content-Type.html
Jan 25 19:57:47 <Loudergood> I think you want text/javascript
Jan 25 19:59:30 <Loudergood> looks like application/javascript is the future though
Jan 25 19:59:57 <nyceane> ok
Jan 25 19:59:59 <nyceane> thanks
Jan 25 20:00:22 <Loudergood> apparently IE8 or uglier doesn't like a/j
Jan 25 20:01:42 <dohtem> Hello
Jan 25 20:02:09 <SineOtter> hey dohtem
Jan 25 20:02:34 <dohtem> anyone planning to attend Google I/O?
Jan 25 20:06:39 <SineOtter> not really no
Jan 25 20:07:12 <hotdp> nopes
Jan 25 20:07:25 <hotdp> Google != Palm/HP
Jan 25 20:07:44 <dohtem> :)
Jan 25 20:14:42 <SineOtter> Has anyone really used the Mojo.Animation APIs?
Jan 25 20:15:10 <nyceane> hey, how do i find about package version #?
Jan 25 20:16:01 <SineOtter> what do you mean? like, what changed or what the number is?
Jan 25 20:16:05 <nyceane> yah
Jan 25 20:16:12 <nyceane> like this.mojo.versionnumber
Jan 25 20:16:14 <nyceane> or something
Jan 25 20:16:53 <nyceane> this. ipkginfo
Jan 25 20:16:55 <nyceane> or something...
Jan 25 20:17:02 <SineOtter> Hm! Good question!
Jan 25 20:17:10 <nyceane> its for my help support email
Jan 25 20:17:18 <nyceane> changing it on every update just seems weird
Jan 25 20:18:45 <SineOtter> Oooh, so that the email includes what version they're running?
Jan 25 20:18:58 <destinal> hotdp: lots of lessons to be learned from google even from webos developers
Jan 25 20:19:09 <destinal> err even FOR webos developers
Jan 25 20:19:18 <nyceane> SineOtter, yah
Jan 25 20:19:36 <nyceane> I'd like to know their software version number as well as webos number
Jan 25 20:19:43 <nyceane> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1550&Itemid=284
Jan 25 20:19:50 <nyceane> i m looking at the documentation right now
Jan 25 20:19:55 <nyceane> dont seem to find any
Jan 25 20:20:21 <nyceane> metaview might know
Jan 25 20:20:23 <nyceane> hey metaview
Jan 25 20:20:52 <MetaView> hi
Jan 25 20:20:55 <swisstomcat> Mojo.appInfo.version;
Jan 25 20:20:57 <MetaView> I know nothing
Jan 25 20:20:58 <MetaView> :)
Jan 25 20:21:10 <swisstomcat> sein name ist hase und er weiss von nichts
Jan 25 20:21:15 <SineOtter> well, that api you linked is for getting the device id :p
Jan 25 20:21:17 <nyceane> thanks!
Jan 25 20:21:35 <SineOtter> does appInfo expose the contents of appInfo.json?
Jan 25 20:22:18 <nyceane> nice =D
Jan 25 20:22:22 <nyceane> yes
Jan 25 20:22:28 <nyceane> swisstomcat, thanks
Jan 25 20:22:46 <nyceane> what about webos version #?
Jan 25 20:23:22 <swisstomcat> Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.platformVersion
Jan 25 20:23:34 <nyceane> thanks! that's all i need
Jan 25 20:23:43 <nyceane> i m gona release the facebook connect code this weekend
Jan 25 20:23:46 <SineOtter> Although I don't know if I'd trust that one 100%, just as an aside :p
Jan 25 20:23:48 <nyceane> as well as google analytics
Jan 25 20:23:53 <SineOtter> what does the facebook connect code do?
Jan 25 20:24:00 <MetaView> which app?
Jan 25 20:24:22 <nyceane> pickup sports
Jan 25 20:24:33 <nyceane> dont download it right now, making a huge upgrade
Jan 25 20:25:04 <MetaView> no, I hate sports :)
Jan 25 20:25:17 <nyceane> ok
Jan 25 20:25:27 <nyceane> one last question guys
Jan 25 20:25:27 <nyceane> "Dear Paschar Team:\n\n\nWebOS Version:" + Mojo.Environment.DeviceInfo.platformVersion
Jan 25 20:25:34 <nyceane> somehow the \n doesn't really do anything
Jan 25 20:25:37 <MetaView> still wondering how to recognize a x-launch error from PDK
Jan 25 20:25:49 <MetaView> <br>
Jan 25 20:25:55 <MetaView> it's HTML
Jan 25 20:26:05 <Workenhaven> <br />
Jan 25 20:26:07 <Workenhaven> please
Jan 25 20:26:17 <SineOtter> yeah, be proper with your breaks!
Jan 25 20:26:26 <nyceane> nice =D
Jan 25 20:26:38 <nyceane> ok, just need to polish up now, all the functonality is done now =D
Jan 25 20:26:38 <MetaView> well, it works the other way too
Jan 25 20:26:43 <MetaView> that's what's count...
Jan 25 20:26:49 <MetaView> :)
Jan 25 20:27:40 <SineOtter> Yeah, but there's "it works" and "It'll continue to work"
Jan 25 20:28:18 <nyceane> lol
Jan 25 20:28:57 <MetaView> but <br> is still valid html code
Jan 25 20:29:01 <SineOtter> I really wish that webOS could handle better than baseline@L3 for h264
Jan 25 20:29:05 <nyceane> I used <br />
Jan 25 20:29:14 <MetaView> and needs to be supported for backward compatibility...
Jan 25 20:29:18 <nyceane> ok, this is how I figured out how to use google analytics
Jan 25 20:29:27 <nyceane> anybody wana hear and see if they can make some changes on it?
Jan 25 20:29:42 <nyceane> so I make a get request to the page that's tracking it
Jan 25 20:29:44 <nyceane> that's it
Jan 25 20:31:21 <nyceane> is that a good idea? lol
Jan 25 20:32:13 <SineOtter> I suppose! I don't see why it owuldn't be
Jan 25 20:32:35 <nyceane> well, i have to see if it works yet
Jan 25 20:33:43 <SineOtter> Wow... If I just buy my books through my Nook, it's like 60% cheaper than the ebooks through O'reilly. o_o
Jan 25 20:34:07 <SineOtter> I wonder if BN ever changed the DRM on NookBooks... Because it was kind of stupidly simple to break. Although that might have been the point.
Jan 25 20:34:35 <ajay> oh my left this logged in again! my word.. maybe there's an autoaway function somewhere..
Jan 25 20:37:11 <SineOtter> hey ajay
Jan 25 20:43:25 <nyceane> ok, i just made bunch of ajax request on my emulator
Jan 25 20:43:31 <nyceane> lets see if google analytics picks it up
Jan 25 20:43:42 <nyceane> if I do a webview, it would suck pretty bad because it would drain all  the resources
Jan 25 20:43:43 <nyceane> =|
Jan 25 20:43:59 <SineOtter> Whatcha mean?
Jan 25 20:44:11 <nyceane> so what i m doing is place google analytic code inside webpage
Jan 25 20:44:27 <nyceane> and I am just doing an ajax request to load that page
Jan 25 20:44:42 <nyceane> this way I can track webos events with google analytics
Jan 25 20:45:12 <MetaView> is the ajax request parsing the js?
Jan 25 20:45:18 <ajay> haha i got this scrollback buffer to go back to the disc of EULAs I thought finished, and saw a mention of vim! (woot! which of course is installed on my pre.. :)
Jan 25 20:45:23 <MetaView> or following links of hte page?
Jan 25 20:45:34 <nyceane> contentType: 'text/javascript'
Jan 25 20:45:36 <nyceane> does that work?
Jan 25 20:45:43 <MetaView> no
Jan 25 20:45:50 <nyceane> what should i do then?
Jan 25 20:46:00 <nyceane> new Ajax.Request(this.GOOGLEANALYTICS + action + '/', {
Jan 25 20:46:00 <nyceane> 					method: 'get',
Jan 25 20:46:00 <nyceane> 					contentType: 'text/javascript'
Jan 25 20:46:00 <nyceane> 				});
Jan 25 20:46:03 <MetaView> ajax request is just a downloader, it doesn't interpret js, or?
Jan 25 20:46:18 <nyceane> how do i load it? =|
Jan 25 20:46:31 <ajay> dkirker yeah me too, feel stupid about not hitting last year's dev day!
Jan 25 20:46:37 <nyceane> create a dynamic invisible webview?
Jan 25 20:46:43 <ajay> SineOtter: nice, I live pretty close to santa clara! ya'll driving or transitting around for feb9?
Jan 25 20:46:46 <nyceane> that would cost too much resources
Jan 25 20:47:05 <MetaView> you could track in wireshark what it is reporting to google and copy this
Jan 25 20:47:20 <ajay> dohtem: i think it'd be fun to check google i/o.. is reg open? it'd be fun to get more devices to play with at least.. ;^)
Jan 25 20:47:28 * ajay completes x many hours of channel reading.. ;^)
Jan 25 20:47:29 <nyceane> MetaView, what do you mean?
Jan 25 20:47:33 <swisstomcat> what are you trying to do, nyceane?
Jan 25 20:47:47 <MetaView> he#s tryingto speak with google analytics
Jan 25 20:47:52 <swisstomcat> why?
Jan 25 20:47:54 <nyceane> swisstomcat, google analytic my webos app
Jan 25 20:48:04 <SineOtter> ajay: we'll be driving up there, and actually staying in Santa Clara with a friend of mine :D
Jan 25 20:48:05 <swisstomcat> what for?
Jan 25 20:48:15 <SineOtter> at least that's the plan at the moment
Jan 25 20:48:19 <MetaView> I would use wireshark to see what kind of request it is sending to google, on the desktop
Jan 25 20:48:20 <nyceane> swiss, I have GA running on the app from all the other platforms
Jan 25 20:48:23 <SineOtter> need to figure out gas mileage and costs for that
Jan 25 20:48:44 <MetaView> then i would add this request  as ajax request
Jan 25 20:48:44 <nyceane> metaview, or i can just run an invisible webview
Jan 25 20:48:53 <MetaView> just for some stats?
Jan 25 20:48:55 <nyceane> ga.js changes constantly
Jan 25 20:49:08 <MetaView> which aren't even fully legal in Germany?
Jan 25 20:49:09 <nyceane> i did research entire day yesterday
Jan 25 20:49:50 <SineOtter> couldn't you download ga.js each launch and update a source file in your app?
Jan 25 20:50:01 <SineOtter> or something
Jan 25 20:50:28 <ajay> SineOtter: Yeah I saw that, I Was wondering if ya'll would be using transit or driving to/from SF, maybe we could carpool!
Jan 25 20:50:54 <SineOtter> well, haha, after we get up there the friend I'm staying with is going to... Probably going to carpool with him
Jan 25 20:51:09 <SineOtter> and my gf wants to check out all the MASSIVE book stores by the Mason Center
Jan 25 20:51:23 <nyceane> SineOtter, that is not recommanded, also ga.js is pretty complex structure, I doubt i have time to go through all of it
Jan 25 20:51:41 <nyceane> SineOtter, besides, google is not paying me to do it, I just want some quick and dirty way of getting this done
Jan 25 20:51:52 <nyceane> I m really thinking about loading a webview if ajax request doesn't do
Jan 25 20:52:00 <SineOtter> well of course they're not paying you to do it :p
Jan 25 20:52:28 <nyceane> ga.js is not part of google's open source project
Jan 25 20:52:43 <nyceane> so.. =|
Jan 25 20:52:56 <MetaView> instead of given us the wrong sales numbers, they start to give us no numbers today :)
Jan 25 20:53:31 <ajay> SineOtter: yeah makes sense.. I was thinking of taking transit up there, but if afterparties go later than midnight I won't be able to transit home, and might be able to use a ride 1-way (home) in which case.. :)
Jan 25 20:54:08 <SineOtter> hah, never really thought that there might be "after parties" :p
Jan 25 20:54:31 * ajay doesn't remember if he registered for a MacWorld expo-only pass
Jan 25 20:56:19 <nyceane> hey MetaView
Jan 25 20:56:35 <nyceane> even if I set my MIME type to application/javascript for ajax request
Jan 25 20:56:42 <nyceane> it still wouldnt run the javascript on the page?
Jan 25 20:56:51 <MetaView> even then I doubt it will parse your JS
Jan 25 20:56:59 <MetaView> why should it?
Jan 25 20:57:07 <ajay> SineOtter: I didn't initially either, but WOR or PC was saying something about it, and I was all "yeah, why wouldn't there be!)
Jan 25 20:57:18 <nyceane> because there could be some dynamic data on the page created by javascript
Jan 25 20:57:22 <nyceane> which happens all the time these days
Jan 25 20:57:55 <MetaView> right, but you rather want to have the raw source
Jan 25 20:58:01 <MetaView> it's not a browser
Jan 25 20:58:44 <MetaView> but you can easily test it
Jan 25 20:58:50 <nyceane> alright, how do i dynamically create a webview?
Jan 25 20:59:03 <nyceane> i know, i've been testing it, but ga is like 1 to 2 hours in delay
Jan 25 20:59:06 <MetaView> request seom short js snippet
Jan 25 20:59:23 <MetaView> and see what you get
Jan 25 21:00:13 <MetaView> ok, I'm off, g'night
Jan 25 21:00:47 <nyceane> the problem is that doesn't allow dynamically creating a webview widget and dynamically altering the DOM.
Jan 25 21:00:47 <nyceane> thanks metaview
Jan 25 21:00:52 <nyceane> http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2315&start=0
Jan 25 21:01:02 <nyceane> sigh, can't create webview dynamically
Jan 25 21:01:17 * ajay needs 'just type' in ubuntu
Jan 25 21:02:57 <SineOtter> 10.10 Netbook does that ;x
Jan 25 21:04:17 <sugardave> nyceane: there is an example of dynamic webview creation on webos101
Jan 25 21:07:15 <nyceane> let me take a look, and also i have to destroy it to save memory
Jan 25 21:07:56 <sugardave> I'm pretty sure you can just remove it from the DOM and delete the vars
Jan 25 21:08:05 <nyceane> that's not dynamic, you still need <div id="target"></div>
Jan 25 21:08:28 <nyceane> yah, but since this is a tracker
Jan 25 21:08:59 <sugardave> um, it is dynamically adding the webview to the scene after setup
Jan 25 21:09:06 <sugardave> you can pick any div you can grab an duse that
Jan 25 21:09:37 <nyceane> hmm, ok, next question, how do i destroy it?
Jan 25 21:09:43 <nyceane> send it back to memory
Jan 25 21:09:50 <sugardave> remove it from the DOM and delete the vars you used
Jan 25 21:09:54 <nyceane> so this way the webview isn't open anymore
Jan 25 21:11:19 <sugardave> delet(var) flags var for the next gc
Jan 25 21:12:58 <nyceane> this.controller.get('webview').remove()
Jan 25 21:12:59 <nyceane> ?
Jan 25 21:15:06 <sugardave> var element = this.controller.get(webviewId); element.parentNode.removeChild(element);
Jan 25 21:15:17 <sugardave> or something like that
Jan 25 21:15:28 <sugardave> element.up().removeChild(element);
Jan 25 21:15:30 <sugardave> etcv.
Jan 25 21:15:46 <nyceane> ok
Jan 25 21:15:48 <nyceane> let me try that
Jan 25 21:15:58 <nyceane> the documetation really sucks
Jan 25 21:16:04 <nyceane> i've been browsing all over it
Jan 25 21:17:53 <SineOtter> yeah the documentation is really lacking in a lot of ways it's kind of sad
Jan 25 21:17:59 <SineOtter> but hopefully it's better when Enyo comes out
Jan 25 21:18:40 <nyceane> done =D
Jan 25 21:18:53 <nyceane> let me see in few hours whether this hits google analytics
Jan 25 21:20:52 <nyceane> thanks sugarDave and SineOtter
Jan 25 21:21:05 <SineOtter> haha, I've barely done anything :x
Jan 25 21:25:48 <nyceane> you sat here =)
Jan 25 21:25:48 <nyceane> so
Jan 25 21:30:21 <dkirker> 'afternoon lemketron
Jan 25 21:35:32 <dkirker> hiya oilsworkn!
Jan 25 21:35:43 <oilsworkn> hey
Jan 25 21:36:05 <SineOtter> how was lunch?
Jan 25 21:36:15 <oilsworkn> delicious
Jan 25 21:41:50 <rsanchez1> hello
Jan 25 21:42:03 <dkirker> hi rsanchez1
Jan 25 21:42:10 <CTLAdvance> hey dkirker
Jan 25 21:42:15 <dkirker> hi CTLAdvance!
Jan 25 21:42:27 <rsanchez1> I'm trying to position an element in the bottom-right of a card, but am having no luck
Jan 25 21:42:32 <rsanchez1> maybe someone here knows a way
Jan 25 21:43:18 <rsanchez1> I set its attributes to this: {position: absolute; bottom: 0; right: 0;}
Jan 25 21:43:36 <rsanchez1> but it seems to think that the card's top border is the bottom edge
Jan 25 21:43:44 <haeffb_pre> bottom: 0px; float: rigtht;
Jan 25 21:43:52 <haeffb_pre> ?
Jan 25 21:44:04 <rsanchez1> if I give the bottom property a negative value, then I can see the element
Jan 25 21:44:08 <CTLAdvance> could also do
Jan 25 21:44:08 <SineOtter> rsanchez1: try fixed?
Jan 25 21:44:18 <SineOtter> I've used fixed before without issue
Jan 25 21:44:27 <CTLAdvance> bottom:0px; right:0px;
Jan 25 21:44:33 <rsanchez1> hmm, I'll try fixed
Jan 25 21:44:39 <CTLAdvance> ah you have it
Jan 25 21:44:39 * haeffb_pre just guesses at CSS
Jan 25 21:44:57 <rsanchez1> oh hey, fixed works
Jan 25 21:45:05 <rsanchez1> thanks!
Jan 25 21:45:24 <rsanchez1> absolute works in browsers, so I assumed it would work on webOS as well
Jan 25 21:45:39 <CTLAdvance> yoh have something screwy going on, a negative bottom shouldnt show anything
Jan 25 21:45:48 <SineOtter> Yeah, I've noticed that there's a few weird little things with how the webOS viewport is set up
Jan 25 21:45:54 <CTLAdvance> yeah, absolute works fine for me, what version are you on, maybe there is a bug
Jan 25 21:45:59 <rsanchez1> 1.4.5
Jan 25 21:46:03 <CTLAdvance> oh
Jan 25 21:46:05 <CTLAdvance> really
Jan 25 21:46:09 <rsanchez1> basically I'm just trying to overlay a button over a canvas
Jan 25 21:46:12 <CTLAdvance> yep
Jan 25 21:46:15 <SineOtter> like how the viewport, even on a Pixi... Will get treated as being 320x480 when it comes to some things
Jan 25 21:46:17 <SineOtter> which is really weird
Jan 25 21:46:23 <SineOtter> and -really- confusing
Jan 25 21:46:50 <rsanchez1> that's weird
Jan 25 21:46:52 <SineOtter> then again no one in their right mind should be taking the body tag and performing a -100% scale transform on it... c_c;;;
Jan 25 21:49:09 <oilsworkn> why not?
Jan 25 21:49:35 <SineOtter> well, that was my line of thinking too!
Jan 25 21:49:37 <SineOtter> but it does weird things
Jan 25 21:49:42 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 25 21:49:49 <SineOtter> like flip the application menu upside down!
Jan 25 21:50:37 <rsanchez1> wow, that's trippy
Jan 25 21:52:37 <SineOtter> hah, did you just try it?
Jan 25 21:54:27 <oilsworkn> playing with appmenu styles is fun
Jan 25 21:54:41 <rsanchez1> I'm gonna try it
Jan 25 21:55:02 <rsanchez1> what property do you set for that?
Jan 25 21:55:16 <oilsworkn> i dont remember
Jan 25 21:55:30 <oilsworkn> i think i just looked for the image in teh sdk, then looked for that image in the styles
Jan 25 21:55:35 <oilsworkn> and then created my own
Jan 25 21:56:03 * SineOtter has been doing fullscreen apps lately, so hasn't really fiddled with the appmenu at all
Jan 25 21:56:34 <oilsworkn> appmenu is so important though
Jan 25 21:56:44 <SineOtter> not if you've got a landscape full screen app!
Jan 25 21:57:01 <oilsworkn> what is said app?
Jan 25 21:57:44 <SineOtter> It's a seeeeeeeecret
Jan 25 21:57:53 <SineOtter> but this shows how I'm laying out the preferences scene http://twitpic.com/3svsc4
Jan 25 21:57:57 <SineOtter> to account for the landscape aspect
Jan 25 21:58:25 <dohtem> holy colors batman!
Jan 25 21:59:30 <SineOtter> HOT DOG STAND
Jan 25 22:03:42 <dgathright> Is it 2/9 yet?
Jan 25 22:03:51 <dkirker> dgathright: I wish :(
Jan 25 22:06:28 * oilsworkn REALLY hopes those colors are just for developing
Jan 25 22:10:12 <dohtem> oilsworkn: Do not question The Otter.
Jan 25 22:10:28 <SineOtter> oilsworkn: yes, just for developing :p looks a lot better now
Jan 25 22:10:46 <oilsworkn> oh, i'll question the otterpants all i want :)
Jan 25 22:11:44 <SineOtter> thbbbt
Jan 25 22:12:01 * SineOtter makes a terrible fish theme for webos
Jan 25 22:17:55 <rwhitby> dgathright: 2nd of September is months away ...
Jan 25 22:18:56 <oilsworkn> haha
Jan 25 22:19:08 <dgathright> rwhitby: The blood rushing to your head from standing upside down all the time must be clouding your thinking. :)
Jan 25 22:19:11 <oilsworkn> with no year, is 2/9 really backwards?
Jan 25 22:23:34 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: not backwards, just ambiguous
Jan 25 22:24:02 <rwhitby> neither 2/9 or 9/2 is better than the other, both are equally ambiguous without a year
Jan 25 22:24:04 <oilsworkn> like you didn't know he meant november 9th and not september 2nd?
Jan 25 22:24:46 <SineOtter> wait, where'd november come from :o
Jan 25 22:24:57 <rwhitby> SineOtter: 9+2=11
Jan 25 22:25:02 <oilsworkn> i mean February
Jan 25 22:25:03 <oilsworkn> lol
Jan 25 22:25:07 <SineOtter> you add dates now? :[
Jan 25 22:25:09 <oilsworkn> fail :/
Jan 25 22:25:13 <dohtem> hehe
Jan 25 22:25:34 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: so, Impostah cookies ...
Jan 25 22:25:44 <oilsworkn> yeah, the data is htmlcharacter'd
Jan 25 22:25:53 <oilsworkn> well, it only worked on my 145 device the first time
Jan 25 22:25:58 <oilsworkn> now the spinner never stops
Jan 25 22:26:02 <oilsworkn> and the log fills with json errors
Jan 25 22:28:42 <oilsworkn> wait, not htmlspecialchar
Jan 25 22:28:53 <oilsworkn> whatever its called where a space is %20 etc
Jan 25 22:29:07 <oilsworkn> instead of being a json object which can be explored, its impossible to read
Jan 25 22:29:11 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: right - I was hoping you'd know how to easily decode that in JS
Jan 25 22:29:39 <oilsworkn> i dont think there is a function, probably need to create one
Jan 25 22:29:44 <oilsworkn> with a big list
Jan 25 22:35:11 <oilsworkn> ah, thanks google
Jan 25 22:35:29 <oilsworkn> rwhitby: decodeURI()
Jan 25 22:36:20 <rwhitby> So it's pretty funny that Engadget have only just found out about Dieter and Lisa :)
Jan 25 22:37:00 <oilsworkn> i saw the mention, but couldn't find the article
Jan 25 22:37:18 <rwhitby> yeah, neither could I - perhaps it was a private communication.
Jan 25 22:37:27 <oilsworkn> not like we didn't deduce as much at devdays :)
Jan 25 22:37:49 <rwhitby> Well, I had breakfast in Times Square with them, and they were like an old married couple :)
Jan 25 22:40:27 <oilsworkn> anyways, in impostah
Jan 25 22:40:43 <oilsworkn> probably want to decode those fields and evalJSON() before sending it to the item view
Jan 25 22:41:10 <oilsworkn> so it can properly browse them
Jan 25 22:50:05 <rwhitby> feel free to do your magic - I'm out all day for Australia Day celebrations
Jan 25 22:52:02 <oilsworkn> its basically
Jan 25 22:52:13 <oilsworkn> obj.field = decodeURI(obj.field).evalJSON();
Jan 25 22:52:18 <oilsworkn> before passing obj to the item
Jan 25 22:52:22 <oilsworkn> to the item scene*
Jan 25 22:52:51 <oilsworkn> but yeah, ill get to it this evening if i remember
Jan 25 22:53:01 <oilsworkn> have a fun australia day
Jan 25 23:08:25 <dgathright> rwhitby: What did Engadget say about those two?
Jan 25 23:09:48 <rwhitby> oilsworkn: ok, there's a post from Dieter on P|C entitled "Quick Disclosure / Ethics statement", and it says that it was mentioned in the latest Engadget podcast in good humour.
Jan 25 23:09:51 <rwhitby> dgathright: ^^
Jan 25 23:10:22 <oilsworkn> ah
Jan 25 23:10:57 <dgathright> http://forums.precentral.net/treocentral-com-precentral-net/273635-quick-disclosure-ethics-statement.html
Jan 25 23:12:55 <dkirker> Interesting, and cool!
Jan 25 23:13:51 <dgathright> I asked them about it when I hung out with em a few weeks ago.  They said that sure, it's sometimes complicated, but they don't let it get in the way.  She certainly holds things from him, and he always relies on sources other than her.
Jan 25 23:20:46 <pandora--> hey what's the name of the UI stuff that palm was working on to kind of replace the current model?
Jan 25 23:20:54 <pandora--> i forget what that was
Jan 25 23:20:57 <dkirker> Enyo
Jan 25 23:21:04 <dkirker> ?
Jan 25 23:21:31 <oilsworkn> enyo
Jan 25 23:21:32 <pandora--> ah yeah
Jan 25 23:21:34 <pandora--> thx
Jan 25 23:21:47 * oilsworkn hopes its in the next leak :)
Jan 25 23:22:12 <SineOt> Psh, there was a bit about it in the Tablet UI leak!
Jan 25 23:22:30 <oilsworkn> i saw
Jan 25 23:23:44 <SineOt> pops up flying everywhere!
Jan 25 23:24:05 <SineOt> I wonder if you can change the location of a pop up in code... And therefore make things fly away from your fingers when you go to tap them
Jan 25 23:26:03 <oilsworkn> we can only hope
Jan 25 23:26:15 <oilsworkn> though, being js/html/css, you can probably do whatever you damn well please
Jan 26 00:00:38 * oilsworkn goes home
Jan 26 00:34:11 <dohtem> A dev's rant about bad reviews - http://majicjungle.com/blog/472/
Jan 26 00:38:10 <dkirker> interesting
Jan 26 00:39:34 <Loudergood> so 10-20% of people are self important idiots? I'm surprised it's so low..
Jan 26 00:39:45 <SineOt> Well, no ;3
Jan 26 00:39:54 <SineOt> It's only that 10-20% of them bothered to write emails!
Jan 26 00:40:07 <Loudergood> yeah
Jan 26 00:40:16 <dohtem> I'm surprised it bother the dev that much.  I mean it sucks but I would brush it off.... I think
Jan 26 00:40:25 <dohtem> bothered*
Jan 26 00:40:33 <dkirker> I have heard some horror stories...
Jan 26 00:40:37 <Loudergood> clearly a dev who has never done phone support ;)
Jan 26 00:41:41 <SineOt> I dunno, you take someone who already has some issues (not saying he does, just that I can relate) and some of those bad reviews might -really- get to you
Jan 26 00:42:44 <dohtem> but users are generally idiots
Jan 26 00:43:07 <dohtem> "won't download. zero stars"
Jan 26 00:43:14 <SineOt> it doesn't help either, that for some reason I think 0/1 star reviews are given higher weights
Jan 26 00:43:32 <SineOt> at least it seems to be on webOS which is REALLY stupid
Jan 26 00:43:49 <Loudergood> be nice if you could flag them "user is stupid, pls ignore"
Jan 26 00:44:19 <SineOt> I've got 4 5 star reviews, 3 4 stars reviews, and 1 1 star review which is, I quote: "I don't know wat it's for"
Jan 26 00:44:26 <SineOt> and it somehow averages that out to 4.1 stars
Jan 26 00:44:27 <dohtem> lmao
Jan 26 00:44:50 * PatrickC_Pre will be lurking
Jan 26 00:45:04 <PatrickC_Pre> hello webos!
Jan 26 00:45:21 <dkirker> hello PatrickC_Pre
Jan 26 00:45:23 <dkirker> !
Jan 26 00:45:35 <SineOt> But yeah, I really wish there was a way to flag reviews for well, review I guess.
Jan 26 00:45:40 <PatrickC_Pre> how's it going?
Jan 26 00:45:45 <SineOt> Because it's obvious that "I don't know wat it's for" isn't a valid review.
Jan 26 00:46:03 <PatrickC_Pre> or "doesn't install" ect
Jan 26 00:46:13 <PatrickC_Pre> I hate getting those reviews
Jan 26 00:46:14 <SineOt> And on that note, it shouldn't drag the average rating down so low!
Jan 26 00:46:26 <PatrickC_Pre> yea
Jan 26 00:47:02 <PatrickC_Pre> brb
Jan 26 00:47:06 <dohtem> SineOt: or a way for other reviewers to vote reviews up or down.  And the most useful are carry more weight
Jan 26 00:47:52 <SineOt> yeah
Jan 26 00:48:03 <SineOt> I think as it is they're just doing a raw mean average of all the reviews
Jan 26 00:48:24 <oil> the jerk:normal person ratio may still be off to make voting on reviews work
Jan 26 00:48:50 <oil> but it might be better in the end
Jan 26 00:48:56 <oil> because jerks are more lazy
Jan 26 00:49:15 <SineOt> eh, I think if they just weighted things so that a one star review won't drop the scores a ton when the rest are all 4-5 stars, and vice versa
Jan 26 00:49:26 <PatrickC_Pre> wait... what's this whole convo about?
Jan 26 00:49:28 <SineOt> so a 5 star review won't drag an app that's all 1-2 stars up
Jan 26 00:49:30 <SineOt> would solve a lot of problems
Jan 26 00:49:36 <SineOt> PatrickC_Pre: ratings on the App Catalog
Jan 26 00:49:40 <dohtem> SineOt: Some 1 star reviews are valid
Jan 26 00:49:43 <dkirker> A revolution!
Jan 26 00:49:45 <PatrickC_Pre> ok. that's what I thot
Jan 26 00:49:48 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 26 00:49:52 <dohtem> It's the knee jerk reactions I dont like.
Jan 26 00:49:53 <SineOt> some are, but some are completely off the wall
Jan 26 00:50:05 <SineOt> like "I don't know wat it's for"
Jan 26 00:50:11 <dohtem> heh
Jan 26 00:50:13 <oil> 0 stars wont download
Jan 26 00:50:15 <SineOt> that's not my fault, nor a fault of my program :<
Jan 26 00:50:16 <oil> because thats the apps fault
Jan 26 00:50:41 <PatrickC_Pre> or "it doesn't work" or "I like a different app better"
Jan 26 00:51:01 <SineOt> I like a different app better is one of the few reviews that I'd say COULD be a valid one
Jan 26 00:51:01 <PatrickC_Pre> is anyone seeing the download numbers fixed?
Jan 26 00:51:05 <SineOt> if they actually backed that up
Jan 26 00:51:20 <PatrickC_Pre> well... yea
Jan 26 00:51:59 <SineOt> "this sucks app Y is better" = TERRIBLE NOOOOOOOOOOO, "this sucks, app Y does A, B, C better and [costs less|runs faster|gives free kittens via mail order]" = yeah okay that's kind of valid
Jan 26 00:52:15 <dohtem> http://twitter.com/#!/jsnell/status/29976874738262016 <- SineOt
Jan 26 00:52:38 * PatrickC_Pre wishes his pre had a virtual kb, as preware can't fix that :(
Jan 26 00:53:04 <gharbad> virtual keyboard on pre2 is rather nice
Jan 26 00:53:29 <gharbad> though i probably shouldn't rub it in >_>
Jan 26 00:53:44 <PatrickC_Pre> it keeps crashing mine... :/
Jan 26 00:53:55 <PatrickC_Pre> so I removed it....
Jan 26 00:54:01 <dohtem> there's a virtual keyboard??
Jan 26 00:54:10 <PatrickC_Pre> lol, yea.
Jan 26 00:54:23 <PatrickC_Pre> btw. nice link for twitter
Jan 26 00:54:25 <oil> funkatron: i noticed the theme didn't save for the next launch in spaz203
Jan 26 00:54:27 <gharbad> did you do anything special to make it crash things?  or just sort of.. happened?
Jan 26 00:54:47 <funkatron> oil: yeah, probably a tiny bug on my part in saving the pref
Jan 26 00:54:51 <PatrickC_Pre> just sorta happens.... whenever I tried to use it..
Jan 26 00:55:02 <SineOt> dohtem: to be fair, you can still write a TERRIBLE app in 8 months
Jan 26 00:55:23 <radiofreejohn> SineOt: haha
Jan 26 00:55:58 <SineOt> length of time for creation is a really poor indicator of end quality </nitpick>
Jan 26 00:57:18 <SineOt> oh man I just loaded up ReadTheFuckingHIG and I am already frowning :C
Jan 26 00:58:24 <PatrickC_Pre> SineOt: what's that? lol
Jan 26 00:58:45 <SineOt> http://readthefuckinghig.tumblr.com/ < really poorly designed stuff that somehow ends up in the Mac App Store
Jan 26 00:59:15 <PatrickC_Pre> lol.. well, I don't have a mac/hackintosh
Jan 26 00:59:26 <SineOt> like someone whole sale copying the UI for Tweetie/Twitter for Mac for a -BIBLE APP- then using directly ripped iPhone icons in the UI.
Jan 26 00:59:29 <PatrickC_Pre> so I really can't download it anyway :(
Jan 26 00:59:31 <SineOt> That's just bad. :(
Jan 26 00:59:42 <SineOt> Oh it's just screenshots showing them off.
Jan 26 00:59:54 <PatrickC_Pre> oh ok. I mite look.
Jan 26 01:00:03 <Loudergood> LDS scriptures...man those mormons just pump out apps
Jan 26 01:00:10 <dohtem> haha
Jan 26 01:00:17 <PatrickC_Pre> have any of you all visited howsmyapp.com ? just wondering...
Jan 26 01:00:28 <PatrickC_Pre> Loudergood: lol
Jan 26 01:00:37 <Loudergood> most of the webos book apps the other day were from a group from BYU
Jan 26 01:01:08 <Loudergood> we should come up with a word for these, like crapps
Jan 26 01:01:26 <PatrickC_Pre> lol, I like that idea :D
Jan 26 01:01:43 <dkirker> haha, oh wow... that is ridiculous, and embarrassing
Jan 26 01:01:54 <PatrickC_Pre> what is?
Jan 26 01:02:11 * PatrickC_Pre is going to lurk, needs to finish biology :(
Jan 26 01:02:25 <SineOt> dkirker: what is?
Jan 26 01:02:34 <dkirker> SineOt: The link to that LDS app
Jan 26 01:03:15 <SineOt> yeah the UI just so doesn't work at all
Jan 26 01:03:28 <SineOt> and it's really dumb that the Mac App store is curated but somehow they let that in with the iPhone icons
Jan 26 01:03:53 <SineOt> when they blocked ConvertBot or something for having an icon "too similar" to the iPhone clock icon
Jan 26 01:04:53 <SineOt> and even this bothers me and it honestly shouldn't be hailed as something nice: http://littlebigdetails.com/post/2922618704/offcial-twitter-app-for-iphone-dragging-down-the
Jan 26 01:05:18 <SineOt> don't hail mystery features that have zero indication that it's even possible to do! :C
Jan 26 01:06:06 <dkirker> that sounds like a useless feature, and a confusing one at that
Jan 26 01:06:15 <Loudergood> yeah
Jan 26 01:06:26 <dkirker> If you are going to do that, just display the tweet
Jan 26 01:06:31 <Loudergood> one where users go "how did I do this and how do I get rid of it?"
Jan 26 01:06:34 <SineOt> yeah, that's my line of thinking
Jan 26 01:06:46 <SineOt> there's no indication you can do that, and no real reason why it shouldn't be there from the start :/
Jan 26 01:07:00 <Loudergood> like intel putting in a keyboard shortcut in their drivers to rotate the display
Jan 26 01:07:15 <Loudergood> I've never seen that used other than by accident
Jan 26 01:07:16 <dkirker> BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! http://readthefuckinghig.tumblr.com/post/2729340714/its-like-the-office-ribbon-ui-tripped-and-hit-its
Jan 26 01:10:35 <dkirker> I think that I am going to use lilac all over my apps now :D
Jan 26 01:11:15 <SineOt> :C
Jan 26 01:11:32 <SineOt> The thing that's funny is that with some of them, you have to very actively go out of your way to mess up the UI that bad
Jan 26 01:11:59 <funkatron> sometimes people think something is a good idea when it is really not.
Jan 26 01:12:39 <dkirker> icon themes like this make me cry: http://readthefuckinghig.tumblr.com/post/2798274017/release-tracker-is-a-mish-mash-of-randomly
Jan 26 01:12:53 <funkatron> that's awesome
Jan 26 01:13:41 <Loudergood> Ironically I don't find that blog to be very usable
Jan 26 01:14:06 <dkirker> no, just good for a laugh
Jan 26 01:14:27 <SineOt> pretty sure it's a stock tumblr theme, so you can blame tumblr for that one
Jan 26 01:15:13 <Loudergood> no, then you blame the guy who'se using the stock tumblr theme ;)
Jan 26 01:15:25 <SineOt> this one though? oh boy http://a1.phobos.apple.com/us/r1000/029/Purple/52/67/21/mzl.bqocngui.800x500-75.jpg
Jan 26 01:15:47 <dkirker> HAHA
Jan 26 01:16:07 <Loudergood> it looks like KDE
Jan 26 01:16:17 <dohtem> lmao
Jan 26 01:17:44 <funkatron> that is a sweet tag cloud
Jan 26 01:17:56 <SineOt> I know right
Jan 26 01:18:29 <SineOt> I mean I just love that for some reason they've gone and built their own custom UI widgets for basically everything
Jan 26 01:18:37 <SineOt> for no real gain
Jan 26 01:19:17 <funkatron> I say that about webOS apps! 8D
Jan 26 01:19:38 <dkirker> I so want to go off on how the close window button in the MacOS X "App Store" app is horrible being vertically aligned to center...
Jan 26 01:19:58 <funkatron> I still haven't opened the app store
Jan 26 01:21:05 <SineOt> I opened it to get a few things, namely Twitter for Mac and Textual
Jan 26 01:21:33 <SineOt> but all you have to do, really, is accept this: If the iTunes team touches it, expect an idiotic UI element SOMEWHERE in the app
Jan 26 01:22:07 <SineOt> I mean just look at the iTunes mini player and how it's green pill does stuff COMPLETELY different than any other green pill on the system
Jan 26 01:22:27 <SineOt> I want to call the green pill "maximize" but that's not really what it does and "bigger-izer" sounds stupid
Jan 26 01:23:49 <dkirker> haha
Jan 26 01:24:08 <funkatron> "zoom" is the term, I believe
Jan 26 01:26:12 <SineOt> yeah, that thing
Jan 26 01:26:33 <SineOt> then again, I'm terrible and rethemed those buttons a long time ago because I got tired of Aqua :x
Jan 26 01:28:29 <s2i> I'm having trouble saving contacts
Jan 26 01:28:52 <s2i> every time i hit done, it says "This contact could not be saved"
Jan 26 01:31:10 <PatrickC_Pre> s2i: make sure that there is a little icon next to the name
Jan 26 01:32:24 <s2i> oh lol. i just rebooted. will try when its finished booting
Jan 26 01:32:31 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Jan 26 01:32:49 <PatrickC_Pre> that happened to me all the time before I figured that out :x
Jan 26 01:33:19 <dohtem> http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/01/thinking-about-february-9-and-beyond.html  -- they tease us so...
Jan 26 01:33:42 <s2i> lol
Jan 26 01:33:54 <PatrickC_Pre> can't wait! lol
Jan 26 01:34:05 <PatrickC_Pre> hope 2.0 comes out then :)
Jan 26 01:34:21 <s2i> 2.0 has been released to some pre's i hear
Jan 26 01:34:31 <PatrickC_Pre> that's just a rumor
Jan 26 01:34:37 <oil> pre2s
Jan 26 01:34:39 * PatrickC_Pre will be lurking
Jan 26 01:34:42 <s2i> lol
Jan 26 01:34:53 <s2i> no first gen pre's too
Jan 26 01:35:00 <s2i> i remember seeing it
Jan 26 01:35:01 <PatrickC_Pre> yea, there have 2.0 but not exhibition
Jan 26 01:35:12 <PatrickC_Pre> its a rumor about the first gen pre
Jan 26 01:35:20 <PatrickC_Pre> its not confirmed
Jan 26 01:35:55 * oil can make an app named Exhibition with an icon and put it on my 145 pre
Jan 26 01:36:47 <PatrickC_Pre> oil: you should, and make the UI look like what it is (if we know) and make a just type bar (inactive) at the top of you're screen (using a theme)
Jan 26 01:39:21 <s2i> you were right PatrickC_Pre
Jan 26 01:39:23 <halfhalo> moooo
Jan 26 01:39:32 <PatrickC_Pre> hay halfhalo
Jan 26 01:39:40 <PatrickC_Pre> right about what? lol
Jan 26 01:39:49 <s2i> the contacts thing
Jan 26 01:39:55 <halfhalo> I hate my class schedule
Jan 26 01:39:59 * PatrickC_Pre brb got to study for biology
Jan 26 01:40:04 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Jan 26 01:40:38 <halfhalo> freaking at school all freaking day on tuesdays
Jan 26 01:40:58 <halfhalo> literally.  from 8am to 9pm.  for two damn classes
Jan 26 01:41:14 <PatrickC_Pre> sounds like fun? what major?
Jan 26 01:41:15 <oil> wow
Jan 26 01:41:29 <dawm__> i gotta see about catching a flight for the 9th
Jan 26 01:41:49 <halfhalo> comp sci.  but 8am class is calc and 6-9pm class is bio
Jan 26 01:42:13 <dawm__> been on vac for like a week, gotta work tomorrow then off another 3 days. definitely need to confirm the details tomorrow
Jan 26 01:42:14 * halfhalo sleeps at work during the break
Jan 26 01:42:32 <PatrickC_Pre> bio... I'm in high school bio right now :)
Jan 26 01:42:38 <halfhalo> bah
Jan 26 01:43:47 <halfhalo> stupid bio lab
Jan 26 01:44:10 <halfhalo> I wanna go play with my new node toy already
Jan 26 01:44:35 <halfhalo> api for cloud system
Jan 26 01:44:43 <halfhalo> :p
Jan 26 01:45:12 * halfhalo has gone crazy again
Jan 26 01:45:55 <halfhalo> ohohoh shinypenny
Jan 26 01:48:39 * SineOt has moved up to using -8- virtual desktops. D:
Jan 26 01:51:04 <PatrickC_Pre> SineOr: what ones? lol
Jan 26 01:51:36 <PatrickC_Pre> halfhalo: what api? does it allow you to access what cloud system..
Jan 26 01:51:42 <SineOt> Spaces, the built in OSX ones
Jan 26 01:51:52 <halfhalo> real men stack real destops
Jan 26 01:52:09 <halfhalo> its a custom api for eucalyptus
Jan 26 01:52:18 <SineOt> I've got a Mini Mini Stack, does that count :T
Jan 26 01:52:24 <PatrickC_Pre> you said you are using 8 Virtual desktops... lol, what systems.
Jan 26 01:52:34 <SineOt> not those desktops
Jan 26 01:53:00 <PatrickC_Pre> ohhh ok.
Jan 26 01:53:01 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 26 01:54:16 <PatrickC_Pre> quiz time!
Jan 26 01:54:26 <PatrickC_Pre> how do you pronounce "OS X"?
Jan 26 01:54:50 <halfhalo> crap
Jan 26 01:54:52 <oil> ohesex
Jan 26 01:54:59 <PatrickC_Pre> oil: nope
Jan 26 01:55:12 <Loudergood> awsex
Jan 26 01:55:30 <oil> so you asked me how i pronounced it, then when i told you how i pronounce it, you said no?
Jan 26 01:55:45 <oil> that is indeed how i pronounce it
Jan 26 01:55:50 <PatrickC_Pre> if you use the speak part of OS X it will tell you "OS Ten"
Jan 26 01:56:04 <PatrickC_Pre> ok, I ment how are you suppose to pronounce it lol
Jan 26 01:56:07 <bpadalino> wikipedia says ten .. but we can change that pretty easily - hold on
Jan 26 01:56:13 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 26 01:56:18 <SineOt> I don't pronounce it, I just say 10.X P:
Jan 26 01:56:24 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 26 01:56:28 <SineOt> Or just call it by the ''name'
Jan 26 01:56:36 <oil> Liger?
Jan 26 01:56:45 <SineOt> Snow Leopard, Tiger, etc... 10.6, 10.4, etc
Jan 26 01:56:50 <dohtem> Those guys are going to run out of cats soon
Jan 26 01:57:27 <SineOt> They'll end up with OS11 - Smilodon :Q
Jan 26 01:58:21 <Loudergood> 11.2 Housecat
Jan 26 01:58:31 <dohtem> lol
Jan 26 01:59:08 <PatrickC_Pre> how bout we play a game?
Jan 26 01:59:17 <oil> idk, you'll change the rules
Jan 26 01:59:28 <PatrickC_Pre> what's the worst/best OS out there for mobile/desktop platforms
Jan 26 01:59:29 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 26 01:59:36 <dohtem> lets brainstorm app ideas!
Jan 26 01:59:41 <PatrickC_Pre> that one is hard to change the rules on.
Jan 26 02:00:00 <dohtem> PatrickC_Pre: That's easy.  BeOS.
Jan 26 02:00:03 <PatrickC_Pre> ok, lets make a Bible app!!! (wait, there's already 100 of those....)
Jan 26 02:00:37 <bpadalino> BeOS has a lot of nerdy supporters .. that's for sure
Jan 26 02:00:42 <bpadalino> i've never used BeOS
Jan 26 02:01:14 <SineOt> For desktop, that's easy
Jan 26 02:01:14 <PatrickC_Pre> wait, on wikipedia it said they never had a stable release! that's my kind of OS!! lol
Jan 26 02:01:16 <SineOt> ReactOS :I
Jan 26 02:01:18 <PatrickC_Pre> just kidding
Jan 26 02:01:31 <oil> did reactOS get stable?
Jan 26 02:01:43 <dohtem> bpadalino: I installed it one time, played around with it for a week or so.  This was before Palm acquired them.
Jan 26 02:02:26 <SineOt> no
Jan 26 02:03:27 <PatrickC_Pre> lol, I'm learning about all kinds of new OS's :)
Jan 26 02:03:57 <bpadalino> i heard the responsiveness of the OS was really good for BeOS
Jan 26 02:04:09 <s2i> i wish there was a game like tap tap revenge for webos
Jan 26 02:04:21 <bpadalino> s2i, you can feel free to try to make one
Jan 26 02:04:38 <s2i> lol i dont know how to code :3. im just good with suggestions
Jan 26 02:04:55 <PatrickC_Pre> learn how to code. use Ares
Jan 26 02:05:19 <PatrickC_Pre> I didn't know how to code till about 4 months ago
Jan 26 02:05:21 <bpadalino> you can come up with screen mock ups and requirements/use cases .. better defined way of usage helps the people who may have spare cycles to code
Jan 26 02:05:51 <dohtem> sounds like those guys that used to send game ideas to Sega in the 90s
Jan 26 02:06:01 <s2i> i'll give it a try tomorrow after school
Jan 26 02:06:16 <bpadalino> state of the union for those in the US
Jan 26 02:06:23 <PatrickC_Pre> I loved Sega! Sega was awesome
Jan 26 02:06:58 <dgathright> <computeryVoice>saaaaaay gaaaaaaa</computeryVoice>
Jan 26 02:07:08 <s2i> i broke my genesis
Jan 26 02:07:32 <PatrickC_Pre> I broke my 3 genesis, then got an original again (more sturdy)
Jan 26 02:07:52 <PatrickC_Pre> the N64 was awesome too!
Jan 26 02:07:58 * dohtem still has fond memories of Shinobi
Jan 26 02:08:04 <dohtem> and Columns!
Jan 26 02:08:21 <dgathright> Sonic!
Jan 26 02:08:22 * PatrickC_Pre loved Sonic for Sega!
Jan 26 02:08:26 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Jan 26 02:08:32 <dgathright> Mortal Kombat!
Jan 26 02:08:34 <PatrickC_Pre> the classics
Jan 26 02:08:37 <dohtem> dgathright: and stupid tails... never keeping up
Jan 26 02:08:42 <dgathright> haha
Jan 26 02:08:50 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 26 02:09:11 <s2i> anyone know any games that run on the pixi
Jan 26 02:09:18 <s2i> im getting tired of nfs
Jan 26 02:09:23 <PatrickC_Pre> Angry Birds
Jan 26 02:09:31 <s2i> got it
Jan 26 02:09:32 <PatrickC_Pre> I bought it for my Pixi
Jan 26 02:09:34 <dgathright> "Oh, look, Tails ran off a cliff again, now he's helicoptering back up"
Jan 26 02:09:42 <dohtem> remember, when you put the controller down, Sonic would turn to the screen and tap his foot impatiently.
Jan 26 02:09:47 <PatrickC_Pre> can't think of many others
Jan 26 02:09:57 <PatrickC_Pre> yea, I loved that lol
Jan 26 02:10:11 <PatrickC_Pre> there's nothing like the oldies
Jan 26 02:10:25 * PatrickC_Pre really has to take this test... but doesn't want to :/
Jan 26 02:11:43 <dgathright> What's funny is that video games still cost the exact same amount they did 20 years ago.  $50.
Jan 26 02:11:55 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 26 02:12:30 <PatrickC_Pre> computers have gone down in price (my parents paid over $1200 for one a while ago) :)
Jan 26 02:12:44 <dohtem> dgathright: at least you can save and even pause cut scenes now
Jan 26 02:13:04 <SineOt> Yeah, but don't forget to adjust for 20 years of inflation ;p
Jan 26 02:13:10 <dgathright> I remember my parents paying $3000 for computers when I was a kid.  Now I wouldn't spend more than $300 on one.
Jan 26 02:13:12 <PatrickC_Pre> and play online with life-like graphics
Jan 26 02:13:26 <PatrickC_Pre> yea
Jan 26 02:13:58 <s2i> just as a warning, nsfw
Jan 26 02:14:00 <s2i> http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e1/Macuser.jpg
Jan 26 02:14:12 <s2i> just thought i'd share to the rest of the community
Jan 26 02:14:17 <dohtem> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/MK_character_select.png  -- memories!
Jan 26 02:14:53 <PatrickC_Pre> s2i: what the heck? lol
Jan 26 02:15:23 <dohtem> s2i: it's it's NSFW, its NSF #webos
Jan 26 02:15:31 <dohtem> if *
Jan 26 02:16:23 <dawm__> hrm
Jan 26 02:16:23 <s2i> lol
Jan 26 02:16:27 <s2i> k
Jan 26 02:16:36 <dawm__> that free trip to SF includes a 2night/3day hotel ..
Jan 26 02:17:02 <PatrickC_Pre> what free trip to SF lol
Jan 26 02:17:19 <dawm__> http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/01/thinking-about-february-9-and-beyond.html
Jan 26 02:17:39 <SineOt> and 250$
Jan 26 02:19:23 <PatrickC_Pre> sounds like fun.. but I have school :/
Jan 26 02:20:31 <dohtem> Education or Super Device?
Jan 26 02:20:36 <dohtem> your choice
Jan 26 02:20:40 <dohtem> :)
Jan 26 02:21:10 <PatrickC_Pre> super device... but I don't think my parents would like waking up to a note saying
Jan 26 02:21:33 <PatrickC_Pre> "Dear mom/dad, I'm gone to SF for the next few days with Palm. be back soon!"
Jan 26 02:21:35 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 26 02:21:56 <PatrickC_Pre> high school stinks lol
Jan 26 02:21:59 <Loudergood> just talk up the developer part of the event ;)
Jan 26 02:22:34 <PatrickC_Pre> lol.. I don't think they'll care. I'm behind (partially cause of developing.......) :p
Jan 26 02:35:08 * PatrickC_Pre brb
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