**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 28 02:59:56 2011 Jan 28 03:03:30 Huh, cool site: http://mediaqueri.es/ Jan 28 03:03:40 Media Queries are pretty awesome Jan 28 03:03:58 (And probably a large part of what powers Enyo!) Jan 28 03:16:54 to the few that bought those stickers, they will be going out in tomorrow mail :) Jan 28 03:24:31 and for those that missed it -> http://www.ST1CK3RS.com/webos/ Jan 28 03:25:12 dawm: did you get trademark permission? Jan 28 04:26:26 how's everyone tonight? Jan 28 04:26:51 twas 12 days and 14 hours before feb 9, and not a creature was stirring, except for wiped framework directors Jan 28 04:27:01 heh Jan 28 04:27:44 I should be taking notes for my memoirs too Jan 28 04:32:25 lol Jan 28 04:41:18 hay guys Jan 28 04:41:20 anyone get shut out of the dev event feb 9 who wanted to go? it's jam packed Jan 28 04:41:36 so I can't really do anything, but I hope everyone here RSVP'd that wanted to go Jan 28 04:41:51 I would have liked to go, but don't have the money/time to go :/ Jan 28 04:42:03 and way to up the pressure on those who are speaking that night, whomever they may be ;-) Jan 28 04:42:21 * oil bets mattsmcnulty Jan 28 04:42:40 I dunno, according to the developer newsletter today it is Ruby and dev relations :-/ Jan 28 04:42:57 * PatrickC_Pre thinks oil is right Jan 28 04:43:06 so either I got a transfer I don't know about, or I can go to bed Jan 28 04:43:28 sleep is for the weak Jan 28 04:43:31 indeed Jan 28 04:43:53 actually sleep hasn't been in short supply. non-working and non-sleeping hours are what have been in short supply Jan 28 04:43:53 who needs sleep? 5 hour energy!!! Jan 28 04:44:06 my dog now acts surprised when I take him for walks or throw a toy Jan 28 04:44:10 mattsmcnulty: living to work for now it seems ? Jan 28 04:44:22 hopefully you get to work to live in the near future Jan 28 04:44:34 we'll see Jan 28 04:44:49 I know too much to be able to fool myself into thinking that Jan 28 04:45:33 eh, it's just silly stuff in the end, isn't it? Jan 28 04:45:46 no need to kill yourself over it Jan 28 04:45:57 no, it's the most important stuff ever! if you dont think that you quit a long time ago ;-) Jan 28 04:47:27 i must have quit my job the day after i started :( Jan 28 04:47:43 y? Jan 28 04:48:28 oh, prior jobs I never felt that way, but I had never worked 1/4 this hard previously Jan 28 04:48:42 wow - so you really, really believe in this .. impressive Jan 28 04:48:56 do you think this is the most inspired you've felt? Jan 28 04:49:18 what's you're job? Jan 28 04:49:20 the prospect of having tens of millions of people use your stuff is pretty cool. that's the motivation. the daily nonsense keeps any inspiration in check Jan 28 04:50:10 PatrickC_Pre: my job or mattsmcnulty? Jan 28 04:50:32 lots of people using your stuff sure sounds pretty cool .. until you read the reviews and everyone's got an opinion why it's terrible Jan 28 04:50:34 matts Jan 28 04:50:36 I write wobble words. we are doing a big announcement on feb 9 too Jan 28 04:50:55 mattsmcnulty -- absolutely. That's what keeps many of us going on the webOS projects. Jan 28 04:50:57 mattsmcnulty: I made it into the event! Looking forward to it, too! I'm just sad that I a lot of people that were at Palm when I interned there will not likely be at the event. :( I was hoping to see a lot of familiar faces. Jan 28 04:51:02 bpadalino: yeah, that's why Preware is so awesome - no reviews of the apps in it ;) Jan 28 04:51:14 eh, reviews are good and all, but then you see random people using a pre on the train Jan 28 04:51:20 rwhitby: yet PHD does pretty well! Jan 28 04:51:43 bpadalino: that's cause it doesn't have very much functionality to be bad at ;) Jan 28 04:51:45 PatrickC_Pre - I am the director of webOS platform for HP Jan 28 04:51:48 touche Jan 28 04:52:08 mattsmcnulty: do you get one of those directors chairs with the clapboards and everything ? Jan 28 04:52:13 a little eyepiece to look through Jan 28 04:52:22 awesome Jan 28 04:52:33 "Move that pixel a little to the left. Cut!" Jan 28 04:52:37 unfortunately no, just a fairly low-rent task chair and a title that sends lots of exec recruiters my way Jan 28 04:53:04 mattsmcnulty and by golly you do a HELL of a job. Jan 28 04:53:15 PatrickC_Pre: every week or two I hop on here and everyone tries to get me to reveal stuff and we banter for a while Jan 28 04:53:23 thanks rick Jan 28 04:53:23 lol Jan 28 04:53:32 * sugardave shuns mattsmcnulty. Jan 28 04:53:40 lol Jan 28 04:53:43 * sugardave tries reverse psychology. Jan 28 04:53:43 What? Us? Try to get you to tell us when you are going to release a public beta of enyo? Jan 28 04:53:52 We wouldn't do that. Jan 28 04:53:56 it wouldn't be POLITE Jan 28 04:54:01 only every week? we need to step it up Jan 28 04:54:04 I'm sure engadget will let everyone know before I even know Jan 28 04:54:17 point Jan 28 04:54:29 * rwhitby is wondering which news site is going to get the next hand-out Jan 28 04:54:35 lol, engadgt knows everything before palm Jan 28 04:54:41 oh, oh, oh let it me mine! Jan 28 04:56:36 I'd say I'll hop on after the feb 9 evening event but I plan on being blackout drunk by that point Jan 28 04:56:47 need to be so hung over I sleep to barcelona the next day ;-) Jan 28 04:57:00 if they have wifi on that flight I'll be on Jan 28 04:57:06 haha Jan 28 04:57:16 drunk IRCing :P Jan 28 04:57:20 in-flight wifi FTW Jan 28 04:57:23 hung over IRCing Jan 28 04:57:42 unless you are still drunk while hung over. :| Jan 28 04:57:47 true Jan 28 04:57:54 international in-flight wifi is hard to come by though Jan 28 04:57:58 luckily the flight isn't until 2pm Jan 28 04:58:22 yeah, I doubt it. besides, the time diff is such that I basically have to take sleeping pills the second I get on board Jan 28 04:58:28 ah, I guess you've got west to east coast possibilities for wifi Jan 28 04:58:32 see, if you had to fly out of lax you would have to be there today.... Jan 28 04:58:34 though barcelona goes to sleep at like 6am so it isn't as much as you think Jan 28 04:58:44 nah, I am flying here to frankfurt non-stop Jan 28 04:58:52 I wanted one long leg for sleep Jan 28 04:58:56 good call Jan 28 04:58:58 east coast cuts it up too evenly Jan 28 05:02:19 I hear everyone dresses up for developer events in europe Jan 28 05:02:28 like I should plan on wearing a tie Jan 28 05:02:39 which reminds me: must buy tie Jan 28 05:03:11 matt: lol Jan 28 05:03:29 I have ties, though none I have purchased or worn in 6 years. Jan 28 05:03:43 which is shockingly true. brother's wedding was the last time Jan 28 05:04:18 matt's dog: please stop playing loud music and typing on the computer. I am going to have my head buried in the sofa cushions while you consider this proposal Jan 28 05:04:36 haha Jan 28 05:04:49 my dog just bites me Jan 28 05:05:04 good dog Jan 28 05:05:09 I'm always just on my phone Jan 28 05:05:30 hard to multitask writing stuff while on the phone Jan 28 05:06:17 well, my computer doesn't have internet (unless I USB tether, as it doesn't have wifi either!) Jan 28 05:06:24 I need a new computer :p Jan 28 05:06:24 long international flights sound terrible .. i have no idea how rwhitby did it .. Jan 28 05:06:43 did rwhitby do it regularly or something? Jan 28 05:06:45 worst i ever did was CHI to BAA Jan 28 05:06:51 and that was pretty terrible for me Jan 28 05:06:58 I did sydney to SF this time last year Jan 28 05:07:14 but a xanax and an ambien and the ride is fairly blurry. I think it took about an hour Jan 28 05:07:38 lol Jan 28 05:07:39 mattsmcnulty: I do AU to US once or twice a year, and to JP 2 or 3. Jan 28 05:07:57 it's all about the pills Jan 28 05:08:03 AU is a dinner, a movie, and a snooze away from the US. Jan 28 05:08:19 first/business class, or coach all the way ? Jan 28 05:08:19 because some companies have arcane rules around who qualifies for business class travel. Jan 28 05:08:50 I'd answer that question if it didn't make me cry Jan 28 05:09:05 i can make some inferences from your tears Jan 28 05:09:20 bpadalino: engineering never qualifies for business in big companies Jan 28 05:09:31 I fly business home for xmas if it isn't that bad, and flying 6000 miles for work to actually present somehow forces me on economy Jan 28 05:09:51 I'm flying star alliance so I have status at least Jan 28 05:10:09 so "economy plus", window, plus aforementioned xanax/ambien Jan 28 05:10:11 you should tell @philmckinney to pick you up in the corporate jet Jan 28 05:10:24 lol Jan 28 05:10:33 lol Jan 28 05:10:37 actually, I need someone to tell me HP's travel policy - I am still covered by Palm's Jan 28 05:10:50 you should get all the US companies to bundle their people together for the trip and get a charter.... Jan 28 05:10:53 something tells me Phil is going biz. I dont think he's at MWC though Jan 28 05:11:08 bpadalino: phil told me that he has 3 people who's full time job it is to arrange his travel Jan 28 05:11:21 I am going early though - never been to spain, so rather than leave sat I am leaving thurs and getting a couple days in bcn first Jan 28 05:11:31 rwhitby: that's a lot of people just to handle travel Jan 28 05:11:40 I've never actually met phil in person. just talked on the phone once. I missed him in NYC even Jan 28 05:11:45 bpadalino: he does a lot of speaking world-wide Jan 28 05:12:06 if I were CTO I would have no economy problem, even at palm Jan 28 05:12:10 bpadalino he said that when he is away from the office, someone is manning the desk at home 24 hours a day because he talks to people in a lot of time zones. Jan 28 05:12:33 i suppose when you do business in 138 countries .. you need to have that whole-world view Jan 28 05:12:36 wow Jan 28 05:12:48 time really is relative for him it seems Jan 28 05:12:49 or a time machine Jan 28 05:13:01 So, if he needs last minute travel changes, as he did coming to NYC, he calls home and the travel is arranged as he walks across the airport.... Jan 28 05:13:27 we have corporate travel that can do stuff like that. it's not that crazy expensive even Jan 28 05:13:32 most big companies do Jan 28 05:14:05 you guys checked out hipmunk.com, speaking of travel? truly awesome innovation in an industry with none in 10 years Jan 28 05:14:46 The largest my company has ever been, in 1999 at the height of trying to fulfill our y2K commitments was 10 people. :-) now, we're back down to a much more managable 4. Jan 28 05:15:05 * halfhalo is not planning to go anywhere until next january and is saving up for that Jan 28 05:15:10 you know how many employees HP has? Jan 28 05:15:21 lol y2k Jan 28 05:15:32 42000! Jan 28 05:15:42 320,000 or so Jan 28 05:15:47 oh, damn Jan 28 05:15:50 wow Jan 28 05:15:52 because dammit, 2 months after my 21st birthday in vegas will be crazy Jan 28 05:15:57 200k from EDS I think Jan 28 05:16:07 vegas is crazy no matter when Jan 28 05:16:08 hipmunk is neat Jan 28 05:16:11 thanks Jan 28 05:16:13 mattsmcnulty I had not seen hipmunk. That is a VERY NEAT THING Jan 28 05:16:14 hipmunk is awesome Jan 28 05:16:15 thank you Jan 28 05:16:21 gotta watch out for 2038! Jan 28 05:16:21 you are welcome Jan 28 05:16:37 haha, sort by agony - i like this site even better Jan 28 05:16:39 they manage to show you like 10 pieces of info on each flight Jan 28 05:16:49 and even the time diff at the top Jan 28 05:16:59 I haven't the foggiest idea how they make money, if they do Jan 28 05:17:04 sort by agony tho. Thats MAGNIFICENT Jan 28 05:17:07 but it sure is neat. I hope the patented the crap out of it Jan 28 05:17:26 the only problem with it is that it lacks southwest. Jan 28 05:17:56 I am a snob. never flown southwest. I like having status and assigned seats and lounges and such Jan 28 05:18:06 mattsmcnulty: yeah.. this year was meh since I stayed at a crap hotel Jan 28 05:18:09 and I primarily fly cross-country or to hawaii, so southwest is kind of awful for that Jan 28 05:18:25 oh, hawaii airlines first class is the BOMB Jan 28 05:18:39 my customers are not-for-profit charitable organizations. I've never flown ANYTHING but the absolute cheapest seat available from where I am to where I am going. Jan 28 05:18:54 next to the bathroom? Jan 28 05:19:05 I worked at non-profits for 7 years until HP bought us Jan 28 05:19:08 that's the best spot! lol Jan 28 05:19:12 not a profit to be found Jan 28 05:19:16 thats usually what I do, but this last time i did first class Jan 28 05:19:18 haha Jan 28 05:19:18 lol Jan 28 05:19:23 good one Jan 28 05:19:26 lol Jan 28 05:19:31 must be a popular joke in silicon valley Jan 28 05:19:31 startup after startup, enterprise software, etc Jan 28 05:19:37 actually, it is one of my fav jokes Jan 28 05:19:46 there are always people at parties in SF who work for non-profits Jan 28 05:19:53 I've used it a ton Jan 28 05:20:09 HP ruined the streak Jan 28 05:20:11 Oh, it's a good joke. Mine is "My verical market is mental retardation." Jan 28 05:20:42 It's literally true of course, the agencies we write software for care for mentally retarded adults, but it sounds a LOT funnier the other way. Jan 28 05:21:10 if they are non-profits how could you effectively rob them during the y2k scare Jan 28 05:21:35 We write payroll software. Jan 28 05:21:58 Trust me. We were able to scare and effectively rob them plenty Jan 28 05:22:04 excellent Jan 28 05:22:10 gotta get yours Jan 28 05:22:17 we dropped exactly 2 customers nationally during a REQUIRED version update in 1999. Jan 28 05:22:53 and picked up about a dozen from other vendors who were not nearly as good at terrifying their customers Jan 28 05:23:19 rick are you coming on the 9th? Jan 28 05:23:36 I wish Matt, but I can't justify flying from Kansas for an evening event. Jan 28 05:24:02 mattsmcnulty: destinal and jhojho are representing WebOS Internals on the 9th Jan 28 05:24:05 those of you who are coming, um, come on the early side Jan 28 05:24:07 If there was some well defined REASON for me to be there, something I needed to do, for example at PALM the day before or something... but for an evening? Naaaa Jan 28 05:24:09 it's FULL Jan 28 05:24:22 and you want a good seat Jan 28 05:24:24 mattsmcnulty: all 100 seats filled up?! Jan 28 05:24:27 ha Jan 28 05:24:47 I tried hard to get a customer to pay for a day or two of on-site support before or after. No go. Jan 28 05:25:00 I have not seen the venue yet, though I may have gone to a comedy show there a few years ago if it is the same place Jan 28 05:25:01 at least the DJ will have an audience to play to Jan 28 05:25:22 Venue page says capacity 2K Jan 28 05:25:29 which I did not remember until just now Jan 28 05:25:37 I am pretty sure that capacity is wrong Jan 28 05:25:45 or for some different setup Jan 28 05:26:12 maybe if they are in the "tables and dinner" setup instead of the "herd them in like cattle" setup Jan 28 05:26:41 because I only have to put new phones and keys to pontiacs under like 1500 chairs before I get to run around shouting and YOU get a new pre and YOU get a new pre Jan 28 05:26:46 and a pontiac Jan 28 05:27:09 well, they ARE pontiacs Jan 28 05:27:09 actually I have no idea of the size, but it is <2k Jan 28 05:27:10 getting rid of some old Aztek's ? Jan 28 05:27:19 I saw an aztek the other day Jan 28 05:27:24 I'm kind of a car design buff Jan 28 05:27:26 your eyes didn't bleed out? Jan 28 05:27:33 so I am always fascinated to see who is driving them Jan 28 05:27:50 the aztek is probably the best cast part in breaking bad on AMC Jan 28 05:28:05 * rwhitby bbl Jan 28 05:28:17 i just like the 30 rock when they try to make a new microwave, and they end up making a pontiac aztek Jan 28 05:28:25 I remember when the aztek was a concept car and everyone was like "wow, that's weird and ugly", then as a real car it was 20x worse Jan 28 05:28:36 yes, I love 30 rock. that was an awesome storyline Jan 28 05:28:52 so hilarious Jan 28 05:29:23 anyone going to the morning event on the 9th? Jan 28 05:29:28 There is somone near me who drives not just an Aztek, but a BRIGHT YELLOW one Jan 28 05:29:49 I think they only came in ugly or obnoxious colors Jan 28 05:29:55 or the car made the colors ugly and obnoxious too Jan 28 05:31:06 reminds me of the big lebowski when the dude is talking about the color of his stolen car .. with some rust color Jan 28 05:31:37 so can I just say I am one of only two people I know who just totally dont get coen brothers movies Jan 28 05:31:48 and I dated the other one for 6 years Jan 28 05:32:04 you didn't like the big lebowski ? Jan 28 05:32:07 nope Jan 28 05:32:11 nor fargo Jan 28 05:32:13 wow Jan 28 05:32:25 I find they end weirdly. Jan 28 05:32:31 unsatisfying Jan 28 05:32:34 oh yeah .. the ending.. Jan 28 05:32:47 like no country for old men - i actually zoned out for the end .. Jan 28 05:32:51 exacly Jan 28 05:32:52 so i missed what happened Jan 28 05:32:58 that was what I was thinking when I wrote that Jan 28 05:33:01 no country for old men Jan 28 05:33:12 and fargo. I felt like everything you thought would happen happened Jan 28 05:33:28 everything you thought would happen in fargo, happened Jan 28 05:33:29 there were moments. that your friend out there in the wood chipper? but nothing interesting Jan 28 05:33:52 burn after reading is like that too i guess .. that was a pretty quirky one Jan 28 05:34:08 I started and then did not finish that one Jan 28 05:34:23 you didn't miss much - but brad pitt was hilarious in t Jan 28 05:34:25 in it Jan 28 05:34:40 about as hilarious as he was in inglorious basterds Jan 28 05:34:51 ok so that movie was just weird Jan 28 05:34:58 really weird Jan 28 05:35:03 historically accurate Jan 28 05:35:09 oh definitely Jan 28 05:35:35 i actually thought it was a good reflection on the audience.. Jan 28 05:36:03 Brad Pitt's southern accent in IB was the most "off" thing about the movie IMO Jan 28 05:36:22 when they're showing the nazis laughing and cheering for the killing of the allies .. Jan 28 05:36:25 he tried hard but just doesn't get it right Jan 28 05:36:39 his italian was spot on ,tho Jan 28 05:36:41 you must admit Jan 28 05:36:43 I downloaded 127 hours and kings speech to watch when my brain gets full this weekend Jan 28 05:36:47 bpadalino: lol Jan 28 05:36:53 I'm goin to bed lol Jan 28 05:36:56 nite Jan 28 05:36:58 nite Jan 28 05:36:58 mattsmcnulty: kings speech was good .. seeing 127 hours this weekend Jan 28 05:37:15 if you haven't seen black swan, i recommend seeing that .. but the ending will be frustrating most likelu Jan 28 05:37:16 i love james franco Jan 28 05:37:30 portman was a great job being just crazy Jan 28 05:37:49 black swan is this weird movie - I saw many references to it before I knew wtf it was, and that threw me Jan 28 05:37:59 to the point I have no idea if I will see it, but I love portman Jan 28 05:38:02 she's amazing Jan 28 05:38:22 and tends to make great movies, star wars prequels excepted Jan 28 05:38:30 she does a good job .. though, i must admit, the actress in true grit did spectacular Jan 28 05:38:50 oh, two of my favorite things - westerns *and* coen brothers Jan 28 05:39:35 yeah yeah yeah .. it's got some good humorous moments Jan 28 05:39:48 matt damon almost bites his tongue off Jan 28 05:40:09 did you see The Town? Jan 28 05:40:15 i didn't Jan 28 05:40:23 it's pretty great for what it is Jan 28 05:40:58 i have to see the fighter and 127 hours sometime this weekend Jan 28 05:41:16 I got despicable me in 3d blu ray I need to watch too Jan 28 05:41:29 next month i'll see all the oscar nominated shorts when they show at the local theater Jan 28 05:43:56 I'm an animation snob. If it's not pixar, I automatically think it will be bad. Jan 28 05:44:14 i kind of liked how to train your dragon Jan 28 05:44:21 I hear despicable me was decent, and it is one of the rare 3d movies available Jan 28 05:45:48 yeah, was good Jan 28 05:46:02 how to train your dragon was also supposed to be pretty good Jan 28 05:46:10 toy story 3 was in my mind the best of the 3 Jan 28 05:46:14 toy stories Jan 28 05:46:20 maybe the best pixar movie ever Jan 28 05:46:27 wow, profound statement Jan 28 05:46:32 never saw it Jan 28 05:46:39 yeah, I loved Lotso Jan 28 05:47:42 dead poets society is on tv .. another one i like Jan 28 05:48:40 you know what one of my favorite things is? when stupid web apps for annoying HR tasks don't work in most modern browsers on the mac, AND are super slow Jan 28 05:48:52 so I can hate a task I would normally hate to a degree not thought possible Jan 28 05:49:10 lol Jan 28 05:49:21 oh, tron got nominated for musac Jan 28 05:49:22 similarly, i hate when the same web apps don't work in lynx Jan 28 05:49:42 I get pissed when I cannot use Mosaic... Jan 28 05:49:54 daft punk v. trent reznor .. amusing to see who wins that one! Jan 28 05:50:00 I mean I am on my foleo of course Jan 28 05:50:10 and this damn "google docs" site is not working Jan 28 05:50:12 haha! Jan 28 05:50:13 ok, I kid Jan 28 05:50:29 I should pull mine out right now :P Jan 28 05:50:50 i thought that usually costs an extra $20 ? Jan 28 05:51:05 some precentral forum member got one for christmas. he must have a truly awesome brother to get a christmas present like that Jan 28 05:51:16 eww, P|C Jan 28 05:53:31 mattsmcnulty: so come early to the evening event on the 9th? Do I need to lug my laptop out there? Jan 28 05:54:10 dunno, are you going to run a live blog so you can chronicle my every word to the masses? Jan 28 05:54:29 I wouldn't bring a laptop. The evening event is mostly a party Jan 28 05:54:30 head mounted HD cameras Jan 28 05:54:44 ah, I'll have to shower then Jan 28 05:55:13 yes, shower please. As I said it will be crowded Jan 28 05:55:18 hehe Jan 28 05:58:02 how will he mark his territory then ? Jan 28 05:58:16 I didn't say don't drink anything Jan 28 06:00:24 but then all his pheromones will be all washed off Jan 28 06:01:53 ok, I finished my work for the day, finally. so while this has been fun, there's a beer and a parks and recreation with my name on it, followed by blissful sleep Jan 28 06:01:59 been fun tonight Jan 28 06:02:02 night Jan 28 06:02:07 night Jan 28 06:04:02 For fans of Jackie Chan - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m09yP1KV9Ys Jan 28 07:25:59 morning Jan 28 10:30:33 what is the default user when I tap-start an App? I mean - can I start my app as that user with the terminal, too? Jan 28 14:03:49 quiet day Jan 28 14:04:26 hi Jan 28 14:04:30 I had a question Jan 28 14:04:38 what is the default user when I tap-start an App? I mean - can I start my app as that user with the terminal, too? Jan 28 14:05:08 you can use palm-launch Jan 28 14:05:16 ah Jan 28 14:05:27 do I get a console for output then? Jan 28 14:05:52 what output are you looking for? Jan 28 14:05:56 printf Jan 28 14:06:57 are we talking about a PDK app or SDK? Jan 28 14:07:02 PDK Jan 28 14:07:05 sorry Jan 28 14:07:06 ah Jan 28 14:07:22 sorry, haven't used the pdk yet Jan 28 14:07:27 ok, np Jan 28 14:07:42 i guess you could try tail -f /var/log/messages Jan 28 14:07:55 if you ssh into the emulator or novacom into the device Jan 28 16:20:29 bbl Jan 28 16:38:45 nyone see a doctor for the pre 2 anywhere yet? 2.1 Jan 28 17:17:09 hey ppl Jan 28 17:21:21 he was too fast Jan 28 17:21:27 good morning chuqui Jan 28 17:21:30 TGIF Jan 28 17:21:37 morning! Jan 28 17:27:29 KittyHello: you just run the binary from terminal or better yet novaterm or ssh. Jan 28 17:27:32 oh nm he's gone Jan 28 17:48:01 :) Jan 28 17:51:18 wth are you smiling about? Jan 28 17:51:59 nothing Jan 28 17:52:09 that's a good thing Jan 28 17:52:18 bah, quitting smoking SUCKS Jan 28 17:52:21 it SUCKS Jan 28 17:52:41 you quitter Jan 28 17:52:42 haha Jan 28 17:52:45 heh Jan 28 17:55:16 well good for you Jan 28 17:55:21 how long have you been without a cig? Jan 28 17:55:37 ~60 hours Jan 28 17:56:02 no nicotine replacements either this time Jan 28 17:56:18 if I can make it through the weekend, I think it will get better Jan 28 18:08:20 chuqui: ping Jan 28 18:08:42 CTLAdvance: ow. that hurt. Jan 28 18:09:27 sorry, didnt mean to ping your eyeball... was aiming for your arm Jan 28 18:10:03 how are you doing today Jan 28 18:10:45 doing okay. writing a long beast for the forum. Jan 28 18:11:04 oh i see Jan 28 18:12:13 is there a plan for pre2 doctors? Jan 28 18:12:37 it seems some people are getting updates Jan 28 18:13:17 * CTLAdvance wonders what kind of beast chuqui is writing Jan 28 18:13:36 * CTLAdvance hopes its awesome Jan 28 18:15:27 CTLAdvance: no new info on the doctors. a few folks got some non-final updates they shouldn't have (oops), that's it. Jan 28 18:15:34 it's about marketing. Jan 28 18:17:06 and pizzazz .. don't forget pizzazz Jan 28 18:22:03 So, hp wants to sit at the cool kids table... Chuqi, are you ready to sit at the cool kids table? Jan 28 18:22:20 haha Jan 28 18:25:31 whats the real use of the Just Type feature Jan 28 18:25:50 isn't that already in webos 1.4.5 Jan 28 18:26:17 just dosent have that little widget on the desktop Jan 28 18:27:09 rick-work: I've never sat at a cool kid's table. what's it like? Jan 28 18:27:41 I just saw the picture for that on precentral. :D Jan 28 18:27:41 I have no idea. You've met me Chuqi. You know full well that I've -never- been cool. Jan 28 18:29:14 rick-work: the cool kids wear hipster scarves and uggs in the summer! Jan 28 18:31:45 you cant just walk in and get accepted at the cool kids table.... sheesh Jan 28 18:44:52 yes you can CTL Jan 28 18:45:00 heya sine! :) Jan 28 18:45:00 mugenx! Jan 28 18:45:04 there you are :] Jan 28 18:47:02 yeah, been kinda busy the last couple days. how you doing? Jan 28 18:47:23 Alright Jan 28 18:47:29 You still lookin' for input? Jan 28 18:48:01 yup! it'll have to be a little later though, if that's cool Jan 28 18:49:47 Fine by me! Jan 28 18:50:04 I'm getting ready to push a new build of Squish Remote... I think you'll like it :3 Jan 28 18:50:17 http://cl.ly/1a3z081A422z2Z16052S < check it out Jan 28 18:54:29 okay, essay done https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=54041#p54041 Jan 28 18:56:35 hey chuqui Jan 28 18:56:43 SineOt: ho! Jan 28 18:58:03 yay for driving way to fast! Jan 28 19:00:02 "One of my apps, Vocab Builder, had been downloaded about 10,800 times, with 12 sales." I don't know, maybe it's just me... But I don't think I'd be blaming the market for that. I'd probably be blaming the app. :x Jan 28 19:06:33 there are lots of variables to the market. Jan 28 19:06:53 of course Jan 28 19:07:17 but a 0.1% sales rate seems like something that has far more to do with the app offerings than the market itself Jan 28 19:07:18 and it's a new market. we're still figuring all of this out. Jan 28 19:07:59 that is low, IMHO. and perhaps part of it is it's a niche item, too. maybe something people just don't need very much, but felt like doing some tire kicking. Jan 28 19:08:36 this all assumes that pricing change/meta-update could be relied upon to be done on a certain day Jan 28 19:08:39 yeah, I'm waiting for the battery to charge on my Pre then I was going to go check out the app Jan 28 19:09:55 I don't know if this holds true for the actual catalog, or just the beta one, but I did notice that Palm is using an automated system now to push (some) updates that should go live within 2 hours Jan 28 19:10:18 but not when it doesn't Jan 28 19:10:46 it only started saying that like, two weeks ago, so P: Jan 28 19:12:08 The two beta feed updates I've submitted since it changed over to that have gone live in about an hour or so Jan 28 19:13:33 sugardave: yes, it does. Jan 28 19:13:48 sugardave: and I've actually had that discussion around here recently. among others. Jan 28 19:14:14 SineOt: they're working to streamline and improve the push process. Jan 28 19:14:58 yeah, I've noticed :3 and I'm glad for it too Jan 28 19:15:11 BTW: I have an app where I not even have 1% Jan 28 19:15:15 0.1% Jan 28 19:15:24 I pushed an update that had a bug in it, requested rejection of the update, and the entire process took about 9 days to get sorted out :/ Jan 28 19:15:30 scheduled updates + download vouchers = awesome Jan 28 19:15:40 After the rejected update got pushed anyways! :B Jan 28 19:15:50 So the new automated beta feed pusher is a godsend Jan 28 19:15:50 SineOt: ah, never request reject Jan 28 19:15:54 never Jan 28 19:16:05 rejection is evil Jan 28 19:16:17 yeah, I've learned that now Jan 28 19:18:20 one app I have has 162000 dl as free and just 394 as paid Jan 28 19:18:35 what app, MetaView? Jan 28 19:18:48 but that's 0.25% Jan 28 19:18:54 Match This! Jan 28 19:19:06 I guess the free app is good enough for anyone :) Jan 28 19:21:45 chuqui: the settled payments are now put later into the system, right? Jan 28 19:22:17 in former time I could check at 8PM local time for the updates, now I have to wait until tomorrow morning to see the numbers Jan 28 19:22:19 we process them in batches and then as they settle get put in, so yheah. Jan 28 19:22:28 it's since the bug from last weekend Jan 28 19:23:26 and submitting a beta update takes hours for the web page to come back Jan 28 19:23:36 ok, not hours, but 10 minutes Jan 28 19:46:03 hrm got a problem with a for-loop, am i blind? Jan 28 19:46:57 line 9: if i just let give out the length (needed for a for loop in this loop), the loop end when i gets 1 Jan 28 19:47:00 http://pastebin.com/ztTBMRx7 Jan 28 20:24:35 PuffTheMagic: egaudet`: anyone around? Jan 28 20:25:55 "send to my phone" from the palm website either doesn't work or takes over an hour :( Jan 28 20:26:08 leiru: do you have an example of a the json response object? Jan 28 20:26:45 ya Jan 28 20:27:35 PuffTheMagic: I had a strange problem with freeTether Jan 28 20:27:55 what it is Jan 28 20:28:01 Could be the Pre itself, though, I guess... Jan 28 20:28:36 Lost internet so I needed to tether. did wifi tether to my Mac and I had my PC VM running. the VM is set to bridged mode and both the mac and PC were getting the same IP address from DHCP. Jan 28 20:30:27 Roy-Pre101, sounds like a bug in palms mini dhcp server thingy Jan 28 20:30:36 dohtem: yes. mom Jan 28 20:30:58 Mmmm Jan 28 20:31:03 they arent using dnsmasq any more Jan 28 20:34:36 leiru: wanna paste that? Jan 28 20:36:47 i messaged you Jan 28 20:37:06 dohtem Jan 28 20:37:11 PuffTheMagic: Alrighty, thnks. Jan 28 20:39:30 dohtem, that decal is with the rest of em ready for the mailman to pick em up. Jan 28 20:39:56 that's quick. thanks man. I'll take pics when they arrive Jan 28 20:40:37 yeah got the email this morning before i left for work, didnt have time to get it ready, so i had to hurry when i got home cause usually the mail man has already came and gone Jan 28 20:43:38 how do you get that new 4sq badge :homemade hero.. Jan 28 21:20:00 hay guys Jan 28 21:26:34 hi Jan 28 21:27:36 how's it goin? Jan 28 21:28:04 fine ! thx and you ? Jan 28 21:28:56 anyone know why a gps app come to the location service screen only at the first start ? Jan 28 21:29:11 I'm good Jan 28 21:29:18 what app? what all is it doing? Jan 28 21:29:39 i mean all gps tracker Jan 28 21:30:08 what is it doin? Jan 28 21:30:57 if you disable the auto location every gps app ask at the first start Jan 28 21:31:03 ok ? Jan 28 21:31:18 well, you told it not to auto locate, Jan 28 21:31:28 so it news you're permission to locate u Jan 28 21:32:31 is there a time stamp for your answer in webos or something ? Jan 28 21:33:05 what do you mean? Jan 28 21:33:20 ok Jan 28 21:33:38 start a tracker app with dissable auto location Jan 28 21:33:39 what time stamp? Jan 28 21:33:44 oh ok Jan 28 21:34:05 the app ask you if you will get gps data Jan 28 21:34:12 you say yes Jan 28 21:34:13 ok Jan 28 21:34:17 I have to go instal one real quick Jan 28 21:34:23 cool Jan 28 21:35:03 mapping tool or send my location for Jan 28 21:35:10 gotta power up Preware Jan 28 21:35:34 yap Jan 28 21:36:22 start the app and say yes for location service Jan 28 21:36:35 shut down the app Jan 28 21:36:41 start again Jan 28 21:37:11 he will no ask you if you agree with location service Jan 28 21:37:19 why ? Jan 28 21:37:43 where must be a log file for your answer or somewhat Jan 28 21:37:59 it asked me all 3 times I started Jan 28 21:38:05 the first I said yea Jan 28 21:38:12 ups Jan 28 21:38:16 145 Jan 28 21:38:16 closed, re-opened. it asked again Jan 28 21:38:39 I'll have to try it on 145 later.. I don't have one with me right now Jan 28 21:38:54 iam on 145 Jan 28 21:39:04 ok. Il check in a bit Jan 28 21:39:10 and let you know Jan 28 21:39:16 cool i stay for a while Jan 28 21:39:17 what's you're email? Jan 28 21:39:33 powerasm1@web.de Jan 28 21:39:45 it could be tonight/tomorrow before I get back to a 145 device Jan 28 21:39:53 np Jan 28 21:40:01 thx big thx Jan 28 21:40:17 are u engineer or developer Jan 28 21:40:29 or booth ? Jan 28 21:40:48 a little of both Jan 28 21:41:00 I just emailed you. let me know if you get it Jan 28 21:41:14 wait i look Jan 28 21:41:19 are you using a home-brew app that's doin this? Jan 28 21:41:20 ok Jan 28 21:42:02 Mr Campxxxx all fine here Jan 28 21:42:20 good Jan 28 21:42:42 are you using a Home-Brew app that is doing this? Jan 28 21:43:28 'afternoon #webos :) Jan 28 21:43:33 hi Jan 28 21:43:41 hay Jan 28 21:44:30 i write my own tracker (homebrew) but the error comes with all apps ( error ? maybe not) Jan 28 21:44:34 hello hello Jan 28 21:45:38 awaiting webos 2 and the new devices Jan 28 21:46:06 * PatrickC_Pre can't wait for the Pre3 for Sprint!! (hint hint if anyone from Palm is here lol) Jan 28 21:46:37 pre3 ?? any links or so ? Jan 28 21:47:00 maybe with dualcore i hope Jan 28 21:47:03 not yet ;( Jan 28 21:47:07 one can hope! Jan 28 21:47:08 grrrr Jan 28 21:47:20 join the EAP if you're not already Jan 28 21:47:29 eap ? Jan 28 21:47:33 maybe they'll get a special treatment :) Jan 28 21:47:39 Early Access Program Jan 28 21:47:55 german have no sprint Jan 28 21:48:05 its for Palm Jan 28 21:48:13 ah ok Jan 28 21:48:38 have a look into Jan 28 21:48:45 well, well, does the pre browser support iframe? Jan 28 21:48:51 doesn't look like... Jan 28 21:49:12 what's iframe? lol Jan 28 21:50:07 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=2107 Jan 28 21:50:12 well, I need to display some data from server 1 on a web page on server 2 Jan 28 21:50:12 there ya go Jan 28 21:50:32 eh? Jan 28 21:50:42 already over my head lol Jan 28 21:50:59 did you try it on 2.0? Jan 28 21:51:13 you ask me? Jan 28 21:51:21 no, it shall also work in 1.4.5 Jan 28 21:51:42 will webos 2 come to the palm pre ? Jan 28 21:52:04 yes it will marmor Jan 28 21:52:24 great !! serious ? Jan 28 21:52:53 marmor: email pdc@palm.com and ask for Early Access Jan 28 21:53:13 if you are a developer (and I think you are. right?) Jan 28 21:53:37 right game developer Jan 28 21:54:03 ok. email and ask for Early Access Jan 28 21:54:14 have the link Jan 28 21:54:18 thx Jan 28 21:55:26 np Jan 28 21:56:43 what abaout the pirete rate for payed apps ? Jan 28 21:56:52 is it high? Jan 28 21:57:02 i mean prirate rate Jan 28 21:57:14 i hope no Jan 28 21:57:19 I haven't had any pirate my apps so far Jan 28 21:57:27 (as far as I know) Jan 28 21:57:34 lol yas Jan 28 21:57:42 I have 2 apps out that I charge for Jan 28 21:57:58 fog horn ?? Jan 28 21:58:01 Fog Horn/Just a Flashlight Plus Jan 28 21:58:03 yep Jan 28 21:58:13 how'd you know? Jan 28 21:58:21 your email ? Jan 28 21:58:27 oh lol Jan 28 21:58:30 yeeea :) Jan 28 21:58:31 hihi Jan 28 21:59:18 do you have any apps out? Jan 28 21:59:23 i must pay 50 € for one app or for all of my apps to put it in the store Jan 28 21:59:43 not yet Jan 28 21:59:56 and also paying for free apps ? Jan 28 21:59:56 what? its not like that in the S Jan 28 22:00:03 US I mean Jan 28 22:00:11 ok 50 $ i mean Jan 28 22:00:15 you have to pay to put apps in the store? Jan 28 22:00:43 well some rumors here iam new whats why i ask Jan 28 22:01:05 what country are you from? Jan 28 22:01:10 germany Jan 28 22:01:18 you ? Jan 28 22:01:23 I'll ask someone real quick Jan 28 22:01:26 USA Jan 28 22:01:45 your name sounds french Jan 28 22:01:52 its italian Jan 28 22:02:00 ah Jan 28 22:02:03 ok Jan 28 22:02:09 yep Jan 28 22:02:11 you dont have to pay anymore iirc Jan 28 22:02:26 thanks halfhalo :) Jan 28 22:02:58 halfhalo, what's you're first name? (if you don't mind me asking.. :) ) Jan 28 22:03:09 is there a link ? Jan 28 22:03:45 give me a sec and I'll look Jan 28 22:03:50 fine Jan 28 22:04:46 I think I found one (I didn't mean to sound harsh in that last post srry :) Jan 28 22:05:03 lemme double check this link is what I think it is Jan 28 22:05:41 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_ajaxregister&view=register&myaccounts Jan 28 22:08:28 hmm, what's the best way to have a js obj of functions... like Class.Create... new ObjFunctions();... obj = {blah: function(){}} ? Jan 28 22:08:47 last one is what I do Jan 28 22:09:09 that's what I've been doing.. just curious is if there is a "proper" way Jan 28 22:09:57 google doesn't like me right now :/ Jan 28 22:10:01 brb Jan 28 22:10:12 will Prototype still be around when Enyo replaces Mojo? Jan 28 22:10:48 nope Jan 28 22:10:57 really? Jan 28 22:11:19 or rather.. prototype is included in mojo. it is not included in enyo Jan 28 22:11:44 you dont have to use it now with mojo anywho Jan 28 22:12:38 I have gotten pretty fond of Prototype's String functions. Jan 28 22:12:44 would suck to lose those Jan 28 22:12:49 yeah me too Jan 28 23:02:22 The application has been temporarily blacklisted how to remove it from the blacklist ?? can anyone help ?? Jan 29 01:06:34 email chuq Jan 29 02:08:37 Android Honeycomb event on Feb 2nd. P: Jan 29 02:11:25 hp started a trend Jan 29 02:21:56 I feel like hp started an ambush Jan 29 02:22:34 An ambush on what? :o Jan 29 02:23:00 "we have an event in february!" Jan 29 02:23:00 cue verizon iphone, honeycomb tablets, android event Jan 29 02:35:30 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12291529 Jan 29 02:37:18 Him stating that he wants to ship devices weeks after announcements, and the whole bit about them having things ready to show at CES... Yeah, I think they could have them launching REALLY soon after the 9th. Jan 29 02:37:48 3/14 ::facepalm:: Jan 29 02:38:55 Loudergood: hm? Jan 29 02:39:22 in that article Jan 29 02:39:30 yeah, what about it Jan 29 02:39:40 Then, on 14 March, we will get the big unveiling, Mr Apotheker's "secret answer" and "vision of what HP is capable of in the future... the starting point". Jan 29 02:39:59 anyone know the twitter or IRC handle for SemicolonApps? Jan 29 02:40:48 http://twitter.com/semicolonapps ? Jan 29 02:40:57 heh, yeah :) Jan 29 02:41:20 I dunno, reading that and other commentary on it, it sounds more like the 14th event will be like... "This is how we have HP Palm stuff, this is how it fits into everything" Jan 29 02:41:31 eg printer announcements Jan 29 02:42:05 Mainly based on y'know, "It will be his big chance to convince investors and customers that he can pull together the hugely diversified HP, that its very sprawl is actually a "basis of strength"." **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 29 02:59:56 2011