**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 30 02:59:57 2011 Jan 30 03:00:01 which part is which? Jan 30 03:00:47 html/css/js is the front end .. audio generation is the back end done in c Jan 30 03:00:59 i think wirc is a hybrid app .. look at the source code for that ? Jan 30 03:01:46 in the meantime, you can write all your C code and test it on a desktop PC if you want .. Jan 30 03:02:05 as well as the javascript? Jan 30 03:02:27 nah, that will have to be done in the emulator and/or on device Jan 30 03:03:13 that wirc looks like it's in java... Jan 30 03:03:18 not javascript Jan 30 03:03:29 it's a javascript front end and a C++ backend, not java Jan 30 03:04:40 http://wirc.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/core/ is where I am looking Jan 30 03:05:31 heh, another wIRC Jan 30 03:05:42 yeah wrong project, hah Jan 30 03:06:21 shades: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary Jan 30 03:06:22 this is the right project Jan 30 03:06:27 sorry, i guess i should have been more specific with the url .. my bad :( Jan 30 03:07:02 heya sine :D Jan 30 03:07:21 hey mugen[dsktp]! Jan 30 03:07:59 how's your weekend treating you? Jan 30 03:09:15 thanks Jan 30 03:09:20 so far so good :] Jan 30 03:09:45 SineOt: i'm new to git.. how do I view the source? Jan 30 03:10:40 click tree Jan 30 03:10:45 you'll have to pull it from the git repo... If you can work SVN, I'm sure you can work git Jan 30 03:11:09 I've never had to work an svn/cvs system before Jan 30 03:11:16 i don't code by day trade Jan 30 03:11:19 this is a good time to start Jan 30 03:11:22 never too late to start Jan 30 03:11:22 ah Jan 30 03:11:26 are you on Windows? Jan 30 03:11:34 revision control is something good to learn Jan 30 03:11:39 i use all three operating systems Jan 30 03:11:45 *3 major ones Jan 30 03:11:52 webos, freebsd and solaris ? Jan 30 03:11:53 I prefer to use linux but I am in windows right now Jan 30 03:11:58 :) Jan 30 03:12:02 macosx/linux/windows Jan 30 03:12:04 much easier on linux Jan 30 03:12:06 oh, those Jan 30 03:12:13 shades: https://github.com/brotherbard/gitx < I can speak for OSX at the least! Jan 30 03:12:14 i could fire up a shell right now though Jan 30 03:12:21 gitx is good, yeah Jan 30 03:12:35 lol bpadalino... webos, fBSD and solaris... i like that :D Jan 30 03:12:37 especially that version Jan 30 03:12:57 they SHOULD be the three major os'es Jan 30 03:13:16 maybe freebsd, definitely not solaris Jan 30 03:13:47 No, the 3 should be webOS, OSX, and uh wellllllllllllll BOXEE BOX OS :U Jan 30 03:13:48 oh cmon... even with all it's issues, solaris should be grandfathered in Jan 30 03:13:53 hehe Jan 30 03:14:05 SineOt: i want my boxee updates damnit! Jan 30 03:14:09 debian...there's something nice about their obsession with gpl style free Jan 30 03:14:10 oracle should burn Jan 30 03:14:18 lol Jan 30 03:14:22 oracle Jan 30 03:14:23 yeah it's redonk that it's taking this long to get it going for homebrew systems! Jan 30 03:14:29 yeah, they touched the sun Jan 30 03:14:38 anyway Jan 30 03:14:40 Loudergood: if by nice you mean an awesome source of laughs then yes! Jan 30 03:14:45 ICEWEASEL! Jan 30 03:14:50 what code is resposible for linking the c & js? Jan 30 03:15:07 does webos support js audio? Jan 30 03:15:24 shades, there is a wirc plugin object in javascript Jan 30 03:16:00 mattsmcnulty: hey matt, how do you guys do regression testing for the javascript engine that is built with webos ? Jan 30 03:16:12 it Jan 30 03:16:17 evening mattsmcnulty Jan 30 03:16:18 it is v8 from google Jan 30 03:16:25 so not sure, but it is pretty well tested Jan 30 03:16:30 mattsmcnulty: but do you run any tests to make sure it didn't get fubar during a build ? Jan 30 03:16:46 'lo mattsmcnulty Jan 30 03:16:50 sure, but I am not involved so I don't know any details Jan 30 03:16:52 shades: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob;f=app/models/wircPlugin.js;h=4cf80f2334eab7c8280b73b81817f57eb8b19abf;hb=6bcd4dd5ac57141e868ee99fe2f3b3cf3e171001 - that code Jan 30 03:16:55 gotcha Jan 30 03:17:15 mattsmcnulty: i guess rwhitby has seen some inconsistencies as well as the 1password folks :( Jan 30 03:17:30 what inconsistencies? Jan 30 03:17:44 bpadalino: no comments? ;( Jan 30 03:17:46 sha1 algorithm doesn't return the same result every time i guess ? Jan 30 03:17:48 a JS sha1 implementation returns different values seemingly at random Jan 30 03:17:54 shades: it's open source, what do you expect ? Jan 30 03:18:07 some documentation Jan 30 03:18:12 lol Jan 30 03:18:22 mattsmcnulty: webosinternals twitter has some info i guess Jan 30 03:18:36 shades: you can have all the documentation you write:) Jan 30 03:18:44 OH NOES! weendoze encountered un unexpected error! Jan 30 03:18:45 mattsmcnulty: and apparently Adora is poking "the nerds" about it Jan 30 03:18:48 there was an issue we discovered where regex replacement would sometimes return a null value, like 8 times per 100,000, that was in shipping v8 for several versions until we found it Jan 30 03:18:55 * mugen[dsktp] passes out Jan 30 03:18:57 webkit/v8 team is likely Jan 30 03:20:07 shades: feel free to write a "Howto Hybrid" article for everyone if you like Jan 30 03:21:12 i'm not that schooled yet Jan 30 03:21:26 shades, you can always learn .. and then teach others Jan 30 03:21:47 so uh i'm still confused how the js interacts with the c Jan 30 03:22:04 shades: see the wircPlugin.js file? Jan 30 03:22:07 the js input variables for the synth are going to be a handful but primarily an x and y axis type thing Jan 30 03:22:19 it makes an object that is the executable .. Jan 30 03:22:47 the executable is run .. and then you can perform calls on the object Jan 30 03:22:56 maybe you should get the back-end stuff first .. Jan 30 03:23:05 make your tones Jan 30 03:23:15 then worry about the rest at a later date Jan 30 03:24:44 this.pluginObj = window.document.createElement("object"); ok.. Jan 30 03:26:06 the backend can be c or c++? Jan 30 03:26:32 any executable i believe Jan 30 03:28:27 cool. Jan 30 03:47:52 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2157157 -- this cant be good :( Jan 30 03:49:39 the neat thing is, while it does indeed suck, anyone who had the repo checked out should be able to re-push it and life will be normal again Jan 30 03:50:57 funkatron! Jan 30 03:51:10 hola Jan 30 03:51:28 the clean theme on Spaz, did you use just CSS to change the command menu? Jan 30 03:51:34 yes Jan 30 03:51:40 the themes are just CSS files Jan 30 03:51:58 well, and you can put in images they use and crap, but it's just css Jan 30 03:52:31 HINT I need help finishing the Clean theme HINT Jan 30 03:53:03 heh Jan 30 03:53:21 I just am super busy. if the clean theme gets done, I can finish it Jan 30 03:53:23 and push it out Jan 30 03:53:42 thats all thats left for the next release? Jan 30 03:53:52 yes Jan 30 03:54:08 won't be a big one. just pull to refresh and the theme switching stuff Jan 30 03:54:55 * DougReeder waves hello Jan 30 03:55:07 hey DougReeder Jan 30 03:55:43 hello DougReeder Jan 30 03:56:17 http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/ < ahaha, cool. Shows what Google has figured out about you Jan 30 03:56:25 Have you been following the firestorm on the node.js google group re promises, futures, etc.? Jan 30 03:56:54 ooh, firestorm ? Jan 30 03:57:41 is this the nodejs-dev group or something else ? Jan 30 03:57:50 Someone said he couldn't stand the continuation-passing-style (CPS) of coding, and asked what the alternatives were. Jan 30 03:58:22 Nah, the ordinary group: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs Jan 30 03:59:30 what is the thread topic? Jan 30 04:00:23 http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/c334947643c80968/bf71566aaf0f69cd?lnk=gst&q=continuation#bf71566aaf0f69cd is the main thread Jan 30 04:00:39 ah, thanks Jan 30 04:01:10 wow, 111 responses ?? Jan 30 04:01:17 When it was dying down, someone posted that he had actually implemented fibers: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/4db373ac0d8b18c/308c3cf1b3a2e7a3?lnk=gst&q=fibers#308c3cf1b3a2e7a3 Jan 30 04:03:22 node-fibers ? Jan 30 04:04:17 interesting Jan 30 04:04:49 It's intriguing, but I'm not planning to follow up. Threaded code is too easy to get wrong. Jan 30 04:06:15 well, it depends on how you program it .. right? if only one thread writes to a specific variable, then it seems you have a decent model Jan 30 04:07:42 Oh, it's far more complicated than that: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2006/EECS-2006-1.html Jan 30 04:09:33 determinism is the name of the game Jan 30 04:09:46 hey, is there a Mojo method to open the app menu programatically? Jan 30 04:11:11 "Methods Jan 30 04:11:12 The app menu does not have any methods." But I'm sure there's an unsupported way to do it. Jan 30 04:11:40 Get the app menu object, see if it has a .mojo property with any functions. Jan 30 04:15:00 right Jan 30 04:36:34 this.$.appMenu.open(); works in enyo when you have an app menu kind in your app def ;-) Jan 30 04:36:54 * DougReeder snorts Jan 30 04:37:26 Enyo is crap. Jan 30 04:37:41 mattsmcnulty: pls with the url to enyo and documentation kthxbye :) Jan 30 04:38:01 you'll have it in early 2011 Jan 30 04:38:16 not a valid url :( Jan 30 04:38:17 but it is early in 2011 :p Jan 30 04:38:35 indeed it is. thank god for vague dates Jan 30 04:39:14 haha Jan 30 04:39:16 he he he, mattsmcnulty: do you count a middle of 2011, or not? Jan 30 04:39:42 I dunno, that is a good question. I think in order to cut out the middle you'd have to shift to "first half of 2011" kind of like with the pre launch Jan 30 04:39:45 At leas we're promised new devices "weeks, not months" after the Feb. announcement. Jan 30 04:40:25 if you ignore quotes like that you'll be less disappointed Jan 30 04:40:52 no comment Jan 30 04:41:00 webos would give anyone a drinking problem if they hung on to every quote like that Jan 30 04:41:19 I think that's at least the 4th or 5th way it would Jan 30 04:41:34 was Mojo the first? Jan 30 04:42:08 depends on whether you have to develop it or apps on it, though I am not sure which is worse Jan 30 04:44:01 okay, so 4 month blocks then Jan 30 04:44:04 do you do most of your development in-browser now with enyo, or do you still use on-device/emulator mostly ? Jan 30 04:44:12 mattsmcnulty: you have until april then ;3 Jan 30 04:44:28 Business Insider asserts four challenges for HP and webOS: http://www.businessinsider.com/will-hp-webos-get-knocked-out-before-entering-the-fight-2011-1 Jan 30 04:44:48 lately we are all device, but it's mostly perf stuff at the moment Jan 30 04:45:22 mattsmcnulty: What app(s) do you develop? Jan 30 04:45:25 neat Jan 30 04:45:33 lol Jan 30 04:45:41 I don't develop squat. I sit in meetings and talk Jan 30 04:46:20 Are you with Palm? Jan 30 04:46:26 yes Jan 30 04:46:44 Ok. Mind if I talk your ear off for a second? Jan 30 04:46:48 mattssmcnulty , I see you are an employed engineer, then. :-S Jan 30 04:46:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsZX2dJW5Ss Jan 30 04:48:03 being gainfully employed is overrated .. Jan 30 04:48:04 Going to do it anyway Jan 30 04:48:08 like mattsmcnulty said - meetings and talks Jan 30 04:53:47 mattssmcnulty , I posted an article on UI design for tablets: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=92&t=10952 Got anything to add to that? Jan 30 04:57:46 looong articles Jan 30 04:58:31 I can't really comment on anything for devices that may or may not exist unfortunately Jan 30 04:58:35 You can't summarize good UI design in a few paragraph. Well, you can, but it's only a summary. Jan 30 04:58:36 hit me up in 2 weeks Jan 30 04:59:30 * DougReeder shrugs. HP/Palm has announced there will be tablet support. Good UI design is largely independant of device details. Jan 30 05:00:42 DougReeder: so what are some of your ideas for gesturing ? you feel it's not right ? Jan 30 05:00:54 I comment on anything, it ends up in a blog post Jan 30 05:01:11 mattsmcnulty: haha, here's a question you may be able to comment on: since you joined Palm, do you think that build quality concerns have become more important? Jan 30 05:01:24 * SineOt is on like his third Pixi touchstone back after they all PEELED Jan 30 05:01:43 see, I make a comment on that and it is "Palm confirms build quality issues" Jan 30 05:01:44 We need consistency. Jan 30 05:01:52 you'll note how careful I am on here Jan 30 05:02:04 it's actually a fun challenge Jan 30 05:02:11 I can answer like 10% of what people ask me Jan 30 05:02:12 mattsmcnulty: what is your opinion on coffee at night ? Jan 30 05:02:28 well I would not want to imply that we are staying up late writing code meaning we are late Jan 30 05:02:29 ;-) Jan 30 05:02:37 I don't know that two-finger jump scroll is the best idea, but it is consistent and my beta-testers like it. Jan 30 05:03:09 The leaked 2-finger gesture was sideways, IIRC, which wouldn't conflict. Jan 30 05:03:50 I realized while writing the article that forward means "undo back" most of the time. Jan 30 05:03:57 hah, to be fair through mattsmcnulty my Pixi covers confirm build quality issues XD Jan 30 05:04:46 * SineOt is trying to find something that falls in that 10% Jan 30 05:05:02 mattsmcnulty: how's the quality of the food at the Palm Cafeteria? XD Jan 30 05:05:13 Aparantly, you can do a two-finger flick on iOS with your fingers together, which would be nicer. Jan 30 05:05:37 I tend not to eat there as it is in a different building, plus I spend 40-50% of my time at the SF office Jan 30 05:06:46 "Palm confirms that mattsmcnulty normally doesn't eat at the Palm Cafeteria!" Jan 30 05:06:53 i wonder how many jobs openings there are for underdesk executive relaxation specialist at HP/Palm right now before the feb 9 announcement Jan 30 05:07:02 mattsmcnulty , you might consider adding "forward means "undo back" most of the time" to the docs. Jan 30 05:07:49 mattsmcnulty: what's the weather like this time of the year? Jan 30 05:08:29 Until yesterday quite gorgeous. Unseasonably warm - about 5-10 degrees above normal, so in the 60s every day Jan 30 05:08:37 last two days have been foggy, bit of rain today, around 60 Jan 30 05:08:56 hot Jan 30 05:08:57 that sucks, but still sounds nice overall Jan 30 05:09:29 I've never been to SF so I'm looking forward to checking out the weather Jan 30 05:10:07 when people come to SF they think it is perfect. Jan 30 05:10:17 once you are here a while it is cold in the city Jan 30 05:10:20 hot for the winter at least Jan 30 05:10:21 sunnyvale is warmer Jan 30 05:10:32 surrounded by 50-60 degree water year-round Jan 30 05:10:46 when i visited, i made the mistake of wearing shorts and a tshirt in the 85 degree part .. Jan 30 05:10:53 so 68-70 is the warmest average monthly, 56 or so is the coolest Jan 30 05:10:59 then took a ferry in to 65 and windy Jan 30 05:11:13 yeah, and it can shift from 70 to 55 and misting in a matter of 20 minutes Jan 30 05:11:15 luckily a friend was able to bring my hoodie before i had to buy a new one Jan 30 05:11:15 yeah when I went to Ottawa I was like, "This is perfect!" Jan 30 05:11:18 everyone brings layers everywhere Jan 30 05:11:24 but thinking about it, the winters hit like -25 Jan 30 05:11:27 and I'd hate thhat Jan 30 05:11:31 i learned that quite early on Jan 30 05:11:43 well hey, good to know Jan 30 05:11:46 in fact, i made a comment to the person i was with about a woman in a black trenchcoat in 85 degree weather Jan 30 05:11:57 egg was on my face that evening Jan 30 05:12:22 hehe Jan 30 05:12:25 you get really used to this temp Jan 30 05:12:42 so 74 feels really hot and 55 feels freezing and everyone wears knit caps and gloves Jan 30 05:12:52 I don't have heat or AC in my condo Jan 30 05:12:53 amusing Jan 30 05:13:03 nuts Jan 30 05:13:21 no real need. you need AC like 10 days a year, but almost always is cool enough at night to sleep even on those days Jan 30 05:13:55 heat I could use on 10 days, but in the winter my place gets more sun due to southern exposure and stays pretty warm, plus it is a box in a large box so only have one exposed wall Jan 30 05:14:00 interesting Jan 30 05:14:34 almost no one in SF has AC, most have heat though, esp houses or more exposed places Jan 30 05:14:44 upstate new york requires both .. summer gets way too humid and hot Jan 30 05:15:01 i do remember the days being nice on the coast driving up from SF -> Seattle a few years ago Jan 30 05:15:10 I live in one of the warmer neighborhoods, and we have lots of micro-climates Jan 30 05:15:14 Is console.log officially supported? Jan 30 05:15:20 I grew up in upstate NY Jan 30 05:15:26 go back there every few months Jan 30 05:15:32 oh where about ? Jan 30 05:15:35 woodstock Jan 30 05:15:44 neat - syracuse for me, and live in rochester Jan 30 05:16:26 many relatives, some in syracuse, a few more in rochester, most centered around a tiny town south of rochester, east of buffalo, called java (but pronounced wrong - jay-va) Jan 30 05:17:03 they do that here, mispronouncing words .. we have a town chili pronounced chai-lie Jan 30 05:17:39 never been to java.. neat tho Jan 30 05:17:49 single stoplight, which just blinks amber Jan 30 05:18:04 that is tiny Jan 30 05:18:10 very, very tiny Jan 30 05:18:11 how many people? Jan 30 05:18:39 so when they say "Go to the light" .. it really is .. Jan 30 05:18:40 the light Jan 30 05:19:09 whoa, weird .. new google maps thing? Jan 30 05:19:10 oh I dont know how many people. It's farm country so small, and a huge % are likely related to me, or used to be Jan 30 05:19:27 woodstock is even tiny - like 3k Jan 30 05:20:17 heh Jan 30 05:20:27 we used to drive through Independence and it's WAY tiny Jan 30 05:20:30 like 500 people Jan 30 05:20:46 Java is close to that small Jan 30 05:21:19 church, car dealer (uncle), bar (another uncle), highway dept for county (was grandfather for like 40 years) and that's about it Jan 30 05:22:13 heh Jan 30 05:23:27 that does sound pretty tiny Jan 30 05:24:35 I'd just go up with the fam once a year or so, and that stopped when I was 12-13 or so when the grandparents were pretty much gone on that side, so it's been ages for me Jan 30 05:26:44 Arrrrgh, why does it have to be so hard to get Ubuntu on this machine? I have a stack of old CD's that don't seem to write correctly and this machine doesn't want to boot to the USB stick. :/ Jan 30 05:27:51 what kind of OSX is this ubuntu you speak of? Jan 30 05:28:49 My wife is tired of windows on her laptop. Jan 30 05:29:06 if you get your wife to use ubuntu I am impressed. Jan 30 05:29:22 just boot her to a login: prompt Jan 30 05:29:22 Is she really tired of it? Or is it you that's tired of it for her? Jan 30 05:29:26 She asked. I may give up soon and just put win 7 on it. Jan 30 05:29:31 Oh, she's tired. Jan 30 05:29:41 I have a win7 laptop I need to set up Jan 30 05:30:08 setup for what ? Jan 30 05:30:12 I only run Windows 7. Jan 30 05:30:17 And Windows XP Jan 30 05:30:29 there are some rules around public presentations and what hardware they are on ;-) Jan 30 05:30:57 i have an old windows 2000 beta tester polo shirt from a long, long time ago Jan 30 05:33:56 anyone around / sober? Jan 30 05:34:23 cCoder: Is that important? Jan 30 05:34:28 heh Jan 30 05:34:35 depends on the person, i guess Jan 30 05:34:49 i'm a new webos dev Jan 30 05:35:08 i'm here to ask more experienced people about what dev software they use Jan 30 05:35:28 Komodo Edit Jan 30 05:35:34 mattsmcnulty recommends Ares. Jan 30 05:35:41 Eclipse. Jan 30 05:35:43 i'm used to vs with intellisense and immediate error detection Jan 30 05:35:45 heh Jan 30 05:35:52 i have all of those open right now Jan 30 05:35:54 I use Komodo for my editor Jan 30 05:35:55 trying to decide Jan 30 05:36:03 You can use VS if you want. Jan 30 05:36:09 incredibly hard to create intellisense with javascript Jan 30 05:36:10 Notepad.exe. Jan 30 05:36:34 Editor is less important than unit testing tools. Jan 30 05:36:42 apparently vs2010 'pseudoexecutes' javascript code to determine type info Jan 30 05:36:56 textmate is nice .. i am going to try sublime text since it is on both windows and osx now .. at least in beta form Jan 30 05:37:21 even exectuting js doesnt help a ton since it isn't strongly typed Jan 30 05:37:27 Jasmine is probably the best TDD framework. Jan 30 05:37:33 tdd? Jan 30 05:37:43 dont tell the pivotal guys that - I like them more humble Jan 30 05:37:49 Test driven Development. The modern way to code. Jan 30 05:37:55 ah Jan 30 05:38:09 DougReeder: is there a difference between TDD and BDD - or do they mean the same thing ? Jan 30 05:38:10 the way to code if you make mistakes. the perfect among us dont need it Jan 30 05:38:16 Alas, if you don't have good tools, you can't do it. UI stuff is not well supported for webOS. Jan 30 05:38:40 TDD and BDD use the same tools, it's a matter of emphasis. Jan 30 05:38:58 i see Jan 30 05:39:01 Mostly a matter of what you have in mind when writing test cases. Jan 30 05:39:46 i still can't get into most dynamic languages :( Jan 30 05:39:52 Well, it's not like there's more than two choices for Mojo apps. Multiple choices for node, not sure which is best there. Jan 30 05:40:42 ... but Jasmine can be used both for Mojo and node, so that's a win. Jan 30 05:40:57 what's a node app? Jan 30 05:41:10 jasmine works in enyo too Jan 30 05:41:19 http://nodejs.org/ Jan 30 05:41:24 That's good to hear. Jan 30 05:41:51 oh yeah Jan 30 05:42:11 dougreeder: do you actually use jasmine on a regular basis? Jan 30 05:42:36 No, actually, since I wrote most of my tests for Mojo.Test, before Jasmine was available. :-( Jan 30 05:42:51 But if you're just starting out, go with Jasmine. Jan 30 05:43:55 i'm under the gun for a partially-functional prototype. how much time does jasmine add to development Jan 30 05:44:23 And if you don't have a favorite version control system, learn git. I don't think it's any better than Subversion, but more webOS people use it. Jan 30 05:44:30 TDD saves you time. Jan 30 05:44:46 But, yeah, it takes some time to learn. Jan 30 05:44:51 an attractive prospect Jan 30 05:44:53 Well, if you're under the gun I'm not sure learning a new tool is the right time to do that. However, I agree with Doug that TDD saves time. Jan 30 05:45:10 Wow, that sentence is painful. Jan 30 05:45:12 If you can't write the tests before the code, don't bother. Jan 30 05:45:17 yeah, deadline was last month Jan 30 05:45:26 i'm working basically when i'm not sleeping Jan 30 05:45:44 cCoder: Been there, done that. Jan 30 05:45:47 The question is, how many weeks do you have left? Jan 30 05:45:49 (more than once) Jan 30 05:45:53 heh Jan 30 05:46:03 it's about 6 hours left every day i ask Jan 30 05:47:57 Big question: are you developing for webOS 2.x only? Jan 30 05:48:20 If you need it to work under 1.x and 2.x, you need unit tests. Jan 30 05:49:38 No other way to be certain it works the same under both versions. Jan 30 05:50:09 just 2.0 Jan 30 05:50:17 Burning yet one more CD to try again. Jan 30 05:53:02 It shouldn't be this hard. Jan 30 06:10:00 JenP: Howdy! Jan 30 06:10:09 HI!!! Jan 30 06:18:19 So, I need to come up with a small project for my next programming article. Anyone have something they'd like to see explored? Jan 30 06:18:46 hmm...I've been so out of touch. I need to catch up on what's new Jan 30 06:18:51 Roy-Pre101: Time tracking? IDK Jan 30 06:19:17 Advanced gestures, maybe? Forward gesture, two-finger swipe, etc. Jan 30 06:19:28 yeah, that'd be cool Jan 30 06:19:55 ... tap and hold Jan 30 06:20:48 Maybe shortcut keys, and how to emulate them without a menu item. Jan 30 06:21:01 I'm trying to write a cross-platform article and I'll be using PhoneGap. Jan 30 06:21:14 I'd like to touch on some common themes for app development. Jan 30 06:21:23 What's the lowest common denominator for PhoneGap? Jan 30 06:21:27 Also, go out and buy Smart Developer magazine. :) Jan 30 06:23:44 I prefer dumb developer digest Jan 30 06:25:22 Yeah, but they weren't looking for writers. Jan 30 06:57:56 wow generating sound is proving to be a lil more difficult than I thought.. Jan 30 06:58:47 still can't get it right, huh ? Jan 30 06:59:53 This is cool: http://diyphotography.net/make-lighting-painting-circles-with-light Jan 30 07:02:18 shades: emulator or device? Jan 30 07:13:50 either Jan 30 07:13:58 i was told i should do a c backend and js front end for the gui Jan 30 07:14:11 but i'm having a hard time figuring out what to do in c++ to get sound out put to work.. Jan 30 07:14:29 Are you using the SDL mixer? Jan 30 07:14:33 Are you making a game? Jan 30 07:14:55 Hybrid apps are a bit tricky still, depending on what you want to do. Jan 30 07:15:45 Doc_Lee: not quite a game Jan 30 07:16:05 a software synth Jan 30 07:16:18 that takes an x and y axis value from the touchscreen Jan 30 07:17:43 Ah, yeah. You'll need to use C++ Jan 30 07:17:52 Night Ma... Jan 30 07:18:02 tt. Jan 30 07:18:05 yeah.. how exactly would I go about doing that? Jan 30 07:18:27 Beats me. I'm not into the hybrid app/PDK thing Jan 30 07:18:42 shades: Take a look at the SDL mixer examples. It works just like it does on a desktop, more or less. Jan 30 07:18:43 I could do it in Qt in about 5 minutes though Jan 30 07:29:25 oh Jan 30 07:43:11 shades: it isn't that difficult .. have you written C before ? Jan 30 07:45:22 yes Jan 30 07:45:26 c++ Jan 30 07:46:03 now there's a man's language Jan 30 07:49:24 shades: i blatantly ripped off the code from this page: http://www.kekkai.org/roger/sdl/mixer/ Jan 30 07:49:47 only thing i had to modify was to add an SDL_PauseAudio(0) i believe Jan 30 07:49:50 then once I do the c++ I need ot merge it with js some how? Jan 30 07:50:27 nope - don't even need to do that .. Jan 30 07:50:35 wait... what? Jan 30 07:50:37 go on Jan 30 07:50:56 i meant you didn;t need to add the PauseAudio(0) call .. Jan 30 07:51:06 yes, you do need to merge it with js .. but jesus man, one step at a time Jan 30 07:51:17 you know encapsulation, right ? Jan 30 07:51:34 make your oscillators .. test them .. make sure they work Jan 30 07:51:36 barely a little bit Jan 30 07:51:44 setup a nice api on how to query them and set them Jan 30 07:51:50 just on a regular windows or linux system? Jan 30 07:51:52 worry about the other stuff later Jan 30 07:51:53 sure Jan 30 07:51:58 what about addressing the sound device? Jan 30 07:52:04 what about it ? Jan 30 07:52:08 write your samples to it Jan 30 07:52:30 I was hoping to use maths to generate the samples Jan 30 07:52:35 so I don't ahve to store a .wav Jan 30 07:52:48 yeah, i get it Jan 30 07:53:16 nothing stops you from just writing your own samples you generate Jan 30 07:55:03 i never worked with sound in c++ though 8 / Jan 30 08:04:52 wow, all you see are obstacles isn't it ? Jan 30 08:05:39 You can test on a PC of some variet.y Jan 30 08:05:53 But you'll want to compile a simple PDK app (non-hybrid). Jan 30 08:05:56 To test Jan 30 08:05:58 no Jan 30 08:06:12 I don't see them as obstacles Jan 30 08:06:27 I see them as things I must get done first before I can get my idea into fruition Jan 30 08:06:31 Argh… Has anyone played "And Yet it Moves"? Jan 30 08:06:37 sure you do .. you really just want a lot of handholding i think .. Jan 30 08:07:16 once I get my first c++ program compiled on the pre I think I'll be fine from there on out... Jan 30 08:07:22 http://webos.pastebin.com/ymRWN7yb Jan 30 08:07:26 creates tones Jan 30 08:08:12 bpadalino: Nice. Can I (or you) throw that up on webOS101.com? Jan 30 08:08:18 do it Jan 30 08:08:35 the samples are probably wrong .. but it makes noise using math and no files .. Jan 30 08:09:33 shades: http://www.libsdl.org/docs/html/sdlopenaudio.html - has all the info for what things mean what, and http://www.libsdl.org/docs/html/sdlaudiospec.html has all the audio spec information Jan 30 08:11:36 http://webos101.com/SDL_Audio Jan 30 08:14:17 neat Jan 30 08:15:40 Just watched the video for "And Yet it Moves" -- it does look cool! Jan 30 08:15:41 < bpadalino> nope - don't even need to do that .. Jan 30 08:15:49 you mean the c++ will run natively on the device? Jan 30 08:16:02 shades: i was referring to the pause call with that statement .. Jan 30 08:16:08 but yes, c++ will run natively on the device .. Jan 30 08:16:22 that's what the PDK allows you to do . Jan 30 08:16:36 but all the mojo gui stuff is js Jan 30 08:16:39 hybrid apps allow you to run this in the background while something else does the front end Jan 30 08:16:51 yeah, don't concern yourself with that Jan 30 08:17:00 can you point me towards a tutorial on basic hybrid apps? Jan 30 08:17:03 no Jan 30 08:17:12 finish your peas first Jan 30 08:17:18 then you can have dessert Jan 30 08:17:39 alright so you're saying the best way to go about this is to test it natively on my windows or linux box and then... ? Jan 30 08:18:06 yes, write the SDL first on a normal PC .. in parallel, compile it and run it on a device .. Jan 30 08:18:13 make sure you get the hardware settings correct Jan 30 08:18:51 then provide hooks to change things on the fly via a keyboard input or something .. Jan 30 08:19:00 flesh out that api Jan 30 08:19:15 * DougReeder waves goodnight Jan 30 08:19:21 then you have a noise making back end that doesn't matter what the front end is .. Jan 30 08:19:31 write an openGL front end .. write a hybrid app .. Jan 30 08:19:34 whatever - it doesn't matter Jan 30 08:19:36 night DougReeder Jan 30 08:19:39 god why can't i sleep? Jan 30 08:22:16 bpadalino: the internet Jan 30 08:22:21 it's true Jan 30 08:22:29 someone is wrong on it .. and i NEED to fix that Jan 30 08:24:29 is it weird to have single song repeat on for an h our ? Jan 30 08:25:03 not if it's zappa Jan 30 08:25:08 hah Jan 30 08:25:11 that's like 2 plays Jan 30 08:25:19 nice Jan 30 08:25:25 shades: You can always just do your GUI in SDL. Jan 30 08:27:52 fact Jan 30 08:29:30 * dohtem is watching Egypt go nuts Jan 30 08:29:52 pretty intense, that's or sure Jan 30 08:29:58 s/or/for/ Jan 30 08:30:48 yeah, its like they want Enyo too Jan 30 08:30:53 j/k Jan 30 08:31:28 i wonder what the egyptian hams are up to Jan 30 08:32:42 i knew some people here were trying to CQ them Jan 30 08:33:45 they may be hiding Jan 30 08:33:52 meaning, antenna are down Jan 30 08:34:05 *antennae Jan 30 08:34:10 possibly Jan 30 08:34:27 you know what i would do if i were egyptian Jan 30 08:34:44 commit suicide, because there's no internet Jan 30 08:34:50 put your antenna in the pyramids? Jan 30 08:34:52 oh .. Jan 30 08:35:07 it isn't that bad - you get to play with tear gas instead Jan 30 08:51:05 back later. Jan 30 09:07:11 hay guys Jan 30 09:07:34 hay is for horses Jan 30 09:07:40 I know Jan 30 09:08:01 how many of you all here like running electrical? lol Jan 30 09:08:12 what Jan 30 09:08:42 I have been running electrical for lights/outlets for the past like 8 hours Jan 30 09:08:58 its fun/not fun at the same time haha Jan 30 09:09:09 oooooooh Jan 30 09:09:15 yeah it's meh Jan 30 09:09:19 lol Jan 30 09:09:30 I rewired a pool pump and that was such a pain Jan 30 09:09:59 especially since it was gauged MASSIVE, since it was like... 240v three phase and would kill a dude Jan 30 09:10:35 try running about 150-200 ft of cable through floor beams on a latter! Jan 30 09:10:51 we aren't running that heavy gauge Jan 30 10:36:18 hi Jan 30 15:42:34 hm Jan 30 15:43:26 am picking up again on WebOS developer after an initial interest few months back. Is a US Income Tax form, etc. still required for non-US developers signing up on the Developer Program (this was the case few months, from what I recall). Jan 30 15:51:06 why can't chrome fullscreen html5 vids Jan 30 15:57:05 can any of the browsers do that? Jan 30 16:10:28 iuno Jan 30 16:10:41 dont think safari does Jan 30 16:10:48 is it some kind of licensing/moneygrubbing thing? Jan 30 16:11:12 like oh users can't play html5 videos full screen in the browser because Jan 30 16:11:13 because Jan 30 16:11:17 shareholders wouldn't like that Jan 30 16:31:19 I just read discussion posts / blog posts dating back to 2009 regarding concerns from developers over the source of webos app being available to the user who knows how to examine the contents of the app. Was there any progress on the obfuscation, etc side post that? Jan 30 16:31:33 nope Jan 30 16:33:49 isn't that ... umm... going to discourage a lot of existing app developers not used to sharing their code, from porting their apps to WebOS? Jan 30 16:34:09 ? Jan 30 16:34:42 It hasn't so far Jan 30 16:35:40 woot! Got spaz to keep track of scroll positions when swapping timelines. https://github.com/Tibfib/spaz-webos/tree/tibfib Jan 30 16:35:57 torchie: discussing abt source of webos app being relatively easily available to end users. Jan 30 16:37:02 web developers especially are quite used to that Jan 30 16:37:40 I don't see why js obfuscation methods wouldn't work on webos if you were so inclined to use them Jan 30 16:37:57 word Jan 30 16:38:19 so microphone api is available in webos 2.0? Jan 30 16:38:21 what of camera Jan 30 16:38:21 also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453063 Jan 30 16:38:32 torchie: aren't you in early access? Jan 30 16:38:47 so apparently full screen video works in some version of firefox now Jan 30 16:39:35 "security issues" Jan 30 16:39:39 Tibfib: nop Jan 30 16:39:45 or am i Jan 30 16:39:53 oh, wellll I have no idea Jan 30 16:41:10 hopefully we wont have to do this tapdancing much longer Jan 30 16:41:32 tapdancing? Jan 30 16:42:54 around 2.0 and NDA issues Jan 30 16:43:16 well then we'll have enyooo stuff Jan 30 16:43:45 oh I have no doubt that there will be new things to tiptoe around Jan 30 17:02:38 hello all Jan 30 18:07:26 Tibfib, are you the dev of Spaz? Jan 30 18:07:42 * funkatron waits for his answer Jan 30 18:07:42 nope, that's funkatron. I just help out every once in a while Jan 30 18:07:47 lol Jan 30 18:07:52 hehe ok Jan 30 18:07:52 8) Jan 30 18:08:02 Tibfib is a dev of Spaz Jan 30 18:08:17 you've prolly been told before but you do realise that Spaz is a bit of a insult word here in the UK? Jan 30 18:08:33 so kinda unfortunate a name :P Jan 30 18:08:40 http://help.getspaz.com/kb/general-25/whats-with-the-apps-name-its-really-offensive Jan 30 18:08:47 aha Jan 30 18:09:12 haha Jan 30 18:09:42 nice, didnt know the origin of the name Jan 30 18:10:02 i think its quite funny, just an unfortunate name :) Jan 30 18:10:09 so is "The Gimp" Jan 30 18:10:12 or "Git" Jan 30 18:10:16 true true Jan 30 18:10:54 every couple months for the last 4 years someone asks me "did you know…" 8D Jan 30 18:10:55 but if I called someone a git or a gimp its less offensive than "Spaz" Jan 30 18:11:00 hehe Jan 30 18:11:11 maybe where you live. Sorry! Jan 30 18:11:21 im sure hence why i said you've prolly been told before Jan 30 18:11:28 mmmm Jan 30 18:11:32 no need to apologise mate I think itsfunny Jan 30 18:11:42 just been meaning to ask for ages Jan 30 18:11:45 and in the UK people eat "pork faggots" Jan 30 18:11:48 so ya know. Jan 30 18:11:57 yep :) Jan 30 18:11:58 no worries Jan 30 18:12:09 and faggot means the same here as well :) Jan 30 18:12:28 yeah, more recently Jan 30 18:13:12 so I wouldn't call it unfortunate. Jan 30 18:13:20 people used to be more hostile about it towards me Jan 30 18:13:26 but meh Jan 30 18:13:32 serious? Jan 30 18:13:35 oooh yeah Jan 30 18:13:39 crazy Jan 30 18:13:49 id be a bit "ffs chill out" Jan 30 18:13:59 one guy told me he hoped I had a child who has cerebral palsy so I know what it's like Jan 30 18:14:10 but we british get a bit wanky like that Jan 30 18:14:21 thats just immature mate Jan 30 18:14:57 was he british? Jan 30 18:15:22 or rather english? Jan 30 18:15:33 cant count the scots and welsh for no reason Jan 30 18:15:36 THEY'RE ALL THE SAME Jan 30 18:15:39 actually I don't know Jan 30 18:15:47 he didn't mention Jan 30 18:16:15 no worries, beggers belief some of the things we come out with over here. Jan 30 18:16:17 yeah, I mean, I get it, but it's confusing that they can't sort out how it doesn't mean the same thing outside their own culture Jan 30 18:16:18 alas! Jan 30 18:16:37 its called tunnel vision Jan 30 18:16:51 ja indeed Jan 30 18:17:40 like I found out the other day from my american sister in law that a 'fanny' in the US is actually your ass Jan 30 18:17:55 where as its a word for female gentialial over here Jan 30 18:18:02 yep Jan 30 18:18:07 and it's quite tame here Jan 30 18:18:11 i just thought it was funny Jan 30 18:18:12 so we have "fanny packs" Jan 30 18:18:23 yer thats where the story came from Jan 30 18:18:25 right Jan 30 18:18:35 "you keep them in a bag?" Jan 30 18:18:36 she had been telling my mother in law that she should get a fanny pack Jan 30 18:18:37 anyway Jan 30 18:18:38 hahah Jan 30 18:18:49 good lord Jan 30 18:19:04 apparently the mil was looking a bit awkward when it was just normal convo for my sil Jan 30 18:19:18 i just lol'd Jan 30 18:19:27 hahah yes Jan 30 18:19:36 crimson-faced and all that Jan 30 18:19:41 indeed Jan 30 18:19:46 okay, right, I need to get some lunch with the wife Jan 30 18:19:52 laters dude Jan 30 18:20:07 audi! Jan 30 20:02:06 hi Jan 30 20:02:46 i Jan 30 20:02:48 hi, even Jan 30 20:03:39 is where a way to give my pre a real network name such lik "blah blub" for showings as hostname in a ip scanner Jan 30 21:23:15 funkatron: in the light theme, the placement of the spinner on the send button is kinda off. Jan 30 21:23:57 looks okay here in 2.0.4 Jan 30 21:24:13 it was way off in 2.0.3 Jan 30 21:25:04 ah, looks like I'm still on 2.0.4 Jan 30 21:25:17 still on 2.0.3? Jan 30 21:25:18 2.0.3* Jan 30 21:25:23 I literally just uploaded 2.0.4 Jan 30 21:25:27 did you see the post? Jan 30 21:25:32 yeah, I'll grab it. Jan 30 21:25:35 word Jan 30 21:34:17 ah, another "Spaz looks communist so you need to change the logo" complaint Jan 30 21:34:33 funkatron: lol Jan 30 21:34:47 maybe you choose an apple. Jan 30 21:34:49 haha Jan 30 21:34:53 hah Jan 30 21:36:03 btw, who's face is that in the silhouette? Jan 30 21:40:28 clay aiken Jan 30 21:42:29 spinner looks perfect in 2.0.4 Jan 30 21:50:05 yay Jan 30 22:09:59 spaz supports open source communism Jan 30 22:10:27 5~ Jan 30 22:11:49 http://gim.ie/arn Jan 30 22:12:22 signing off! Jan 30 23:44:36 anyone heard these rumors that sprint might be getting the iPhone? Jan 30 23:47:47 I wouldn't be surprised to see it everywhere soon Jan 30 23:50:37 Yeah. Jan 30 23:55:05 I wonder who will offer a prepaid version first...probably tmobile Jan 30 23:58:16 Eh, Sprint I can see Jan 30 23:58:28 since you'd be able to use the Verizon one without many changes Jan 31 00:00:03 it's speculated to be announced at their 7 feb event, but they're saying they're doing an "industry first" and that the "impossible is possible" Jan 31 00:00:13 lol Jan 31 00:00:27 but vzw is hitting the CDMA iPhone, so that's out. unless they're doing a 4G/WiMax iPhone Jan 31 00:00:30 they're going to turn on 4g nationwide all at once Jan 31 00:00:44 "this big red button" Jan 31 00:00:45 lol, that would be badass if the infrastructure supported it Jan 31 00:00:48 right Jan 31 00:01:57 Loudergood: AT&T had a prepaid version when the iPhone first came out. I personally may have mistyped my social security number to avoid a contract.. ;) Jan 31 00:02:10 lol Jan 31 00:02:38 prepaid data is horribad unfortunately Jan 31 00:02:52 how so? Jan 31 00:03:00 $$$$ Jan 31 00:03:09 unless you get tmobile coverage that is Jan 31 00:03:09 heh, well this was unlimited, bundled Jan 31 00:03:17 with AT&T iphone back then Jan 31 00:03:35 damn nice Jan 31 00:03:42 I realize ATT doesn't do that any more but yeah, it was pretty sweer Jan 31 00:03:44 sweet Jan 31 00:04:03 I get 1200/1200/50MB now for $30 so I can't really complain Jan 31 00:04:22 would like to be able to add a GB or two for $10 though Jan 31 00:06:32 is anyone else not really impressed by this http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/01/first-look-honeycombs-new-apis-support-tablet-friendly-android-apps.ars Jan 31 00:06:57 Loudergood: the amazing thing was the iphone was purchased without a contract back then, and activated. so I still got an original iphone at the post-price-drop price of $299 (had been $499 for the 4gb version on initial release) Jan 31 00:07:24 wow Jan 31 00:07:31 the people activating where their credit was good got on a contract, the ones with unverifiable credit got no contract, prepaid Jan 31 00:08:52 no deals that good anymore. well, Palm's developer discount on unlocked pre2 is.. Jan 31 00:09:35 Loudergood: there's nothing really amazing there Jan 31 00:09:44 which is kind of sad Jan 31 00:10:13 that's what I mean, it was kind of a small list of stuff they absolutely needed to have Jan 31 00:10:32 I do think it's cool that the modders already have it running on the nook color though Jan 31 00:10:38 that thing just took off Jan 31 00:11:19 good quality, cheap, not locked down. pretty amazing combination when you get all three Jan 31 00:11:26 yup Jan 31 00:11:52 I think the leaked document of webOS tablet stuff was more impressive than this Honeycomb stuff Jan 31 00:12:04 well, more like lazily locked down, at least compared to webos Jan 31 00:12:26 Loudergood: the hardware's not locked down at all, in that it boots off SD card or USB Jan 31 00:12:40 i really, sincerely, hope that Sprint gets a good webOS device come 9 feb :/ Jan 31 00:12:40 ah true Jan 31 00:13:05 they really need it to be on multiple carriers I think Jan 31 00:14:11 Yeah, I hope that every carrier gets a good webOS device Jan 31 00:14:40 I just really, really want to see the Broadway! It's going to be way creative if the rumors are right abou tit Jan 31 00:15:18 that's true Jan 31 00:15:38 super small slider, non removable battery... Jan 31 00:31:46 hrm Jan 31 00:31:58 Nova-Bourbon Jan 31 00:32:42 Finding more stuff in logs, dawm|laptop? Jan 31 00:33:01 yeh same palm ip as before Jan 31 00:33:17 cept this is my old log setup so i have no informations heh Jan 31 00:33:20 device: Device Jan 31 00:33:54 i did see 2.0.1 Pre on sprint tho Jan 31 00:34:00 oooh Jan 31 00:34:02 not sure if pre1 or pre2 tho Jan 31 00:34:16 so there's Nova-Barleywine, Nova-Blowfish, and Nova-Bourbon Jan 31 00:34:47 theres alot more heh Jan 31 00:34:49 Nova-Main Jan 31 00:35:01 odd thing is tho, this 'Sprint' 2.0.1 pre has a cingular ip Jan 31 00:35:19 Weird Jan 31 00:35:49 Yeah, I'm looking at my Metrix stuff and all I have is 2 hits for "Nova-Barleywine" Jan 31 00:35:53 Nova-Babelfish, HP webOS Nova-Barleywine Jan 31 00:36:18 Man, how many versions are there? D: Jan 31 00:36:25 no idea Jan 31 00:36:31 Bourbon is the newest ive seen tho Jan 31 00:36:35 Yeah Jan 31 00:36:43 oh yeah Jan 31 00:36:49 i need the src for your simfinger Jan 31 00:36:58 cause its too big on my macbook Jan 31 00:37:01 Oh, sure. ZIP file fine? Jan 31 00:37:08 i cant even get to the window bar Jan 31 00:37:10 yah Jan 31 00:37:25 i just wanna remove the unneeded whitespace Jan 31 00:37:36 im sure that would save like 200px height atleast Jan 31 00:38:52 is there a mod for the messaging notification icon so it says the number unread conversations Jan 31 00:39:13 like ios? Jan 31 00:39:15 i dunno Jan 31 00:39:18 yeah Jan 31 00:39:29 well not on the messaging icon itself Jan 31 00:39:44 like the small bubble that sits on the lower right hand corner Jan 31 00:39:54 when you have an undread message Jan 31 00:39:57 for the notification. yah Jan 31 00:40:08 dont think so Jan 31 00:41:02 dawm|laptop: here, http://cl.ly/263m461F0P1n0s0T1o45 Jan 31 00:41:17 Do what you want, then save it as iPhoneFrame.png I think Jan 31 00:41:22 you can just drop it into SimFinger.app Jan 31 00:41:42 ok i totally forgot to even look inside Jan 31 00:43:17 hehe Jan 31 00:44:23 nah didnt work Jan 31 00:44:30 it tries to tile Jan 31 00:44:40 hm Jan 31 00:44:42 really? Jan 31 00:44:53 yerp Jan 31 00:45:09 thats all you changed? just the image? Jan 31 00:45:10 Grab the source off Github Jan 31 00:45:11 yup Jan 31 00:45:13 i know i have the src somewhere Jan 31 00:46:24 anyone familiar with: http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Modern-Approach-2nd/dp/0393979504/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1296264097&sr=8-3 Jan 31 00:47:42 C# is pretty easy Jan 31 00:50:33 that's pure C Jan 31 00:50:43 SineOt: you know even tho im a noob at c (obj c), i could prolly get this working like it should and make it move the palm emu into position (like it does with the iphone sim) Jan 31 00:51:03 that'd be awesome Jan 31 00:51:05 RagingMind: that's a lot of money for a C book. Jan 31 00:51:16 I just changed the graphics because really, that's about all I know how to do :B Jan 31 00:51:16 lemme see what i can do heh Jan 31 00:54:49 nope not as simple as i thought, ill just comment out the prompt ('cannot find iOS simulator') Jan 31 01:33:39 whats the key combo for the emulator to rotate? Jan 31 01:35:40 nvm Jan 31 01:43:38 hey SineOt, i got it to move the emulator window ;D Jan 31 01:44:06 i could make this work for the pixi too Jan 31 01:44:31 oh cool! Jan 31 01:47:01 stupd thing still doesnt fit on my screen heh Jan 31 01:55:34 how big is your screen? :p Jan 31 01:57:05 size queen Jan 31 02:00:32 maxd Jan 31 02:00:50 1280x800.. Jan 31 02:06:30 nice Jan 31 02:06:34 it locks the emu Jan 31 02:06:40 rather locks its window position Jan 31 02:07:03 cant move the emu window when simfinger is open Jan 31 02:07:48 WOOT, just used undo on my pre 2 for the first time naturally. brilliant. Jan 31 02:10:22 undo? Jan 31 02:10:28 meta tap + z Jan 31 02:10:33 works great Jan 31 02:10:37 ah yes Jan 31 02:12:25 SineOt: it works and all, but id really like to add Pixi support :P I removed all the iCrap already, just need to make a Pixi 'Frame' and plug it in the code Jan 31 02:13:02 cool Jan 31 02:13:09 yeah, I could try to make a Pixi frame Jan 31 02:13:33 ive got it somewhere Jan 31 02:15:06 webos-devices.zip Jan 31 02:15:07 erm Jan 31 02:15:17 http://uploads.biocandy.com/data/webos-devices.zip Jan 31 02:26:21 can someone help me out with this, im lost at the last box where it says "Then follow the instructions in the README under Quick Start, but basically: " Jan 31 02:26:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/HamachiVPN Jan 31 02:27:01 how do i do ./install Jan 31 02:28:37 it says ./install: not found **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 31 02:59:57 2011