**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 02 02:59:58 2011 Feb 02 03:00:05 I just sent him Feb 02 03:01:13 are you kidding... derek said carbon needed a music player remix style preferences scene? that's the worst ui ever two radio buttons filling full width each Feb 02 03:02:15 don't get me wrong.. there are great things in music player remix, but it's pref scene is not one of them. Feb 02 03:02:33 * SineOt goes to check out the MPR pref scene! Feb 02 03:02:53 * haeffb waits for SineOt to report back Feb 02 03:02:55 popup would be much better Feb 02 03:03:39 I've been experimenting with weird preferences scenes lately. Feb 02 03:04:52 ok since this aint working.. ill work on it tomorrow . off to bed Feb 02 03:06:07 Oh, yeah, this thing. Yeah it's not very well thought out to say the least. Feb 02 03:08:13 What I've got right now is a set up where it's almost WP7 style... You can see the next set of preferences off to the side and can swipe over to it. Feb 02 03:08:27 that's sweet! Feb 02 03:09:12 yeah the horizontal snap scrollers are woefully underused Feb 02 03:09:35 yeah they are Feb 02 03:10:28 it's even padded, so the set you're looking at right then is always centered Feb 02 03:11:39 wtf is carbon? Feb 02 03:12:43 your worst nightmare! Feb 02 03:14:03 hahaha Feb 02 03:14:17 * haeffb would like to use a horizontal scroller, but it would interefere with swipe to delete in my lists... Feb 02 03:14:37 would it, haeffb? Feb 02 03:14:54 actually I think it's a twitter client? so, yeah. Feb 02 03:14:59 wouldn't it? Feb 02 03:15:13 I know you can do horizontal/vertical scrollers together without the two interfering with each other Feb 02 03:15:14 funkatron: indeed it is a twitter client .. Feb 02 03:15:28 so I imagine that swipe to delete wouldn't have much problem... But I haven't tried it Feb 02 03:15:33 yeah, but how can you tell swipe to delete in a list from a horizontal scroll? Feb 02 03:15:37 I think it would depend on what they were swiping on Feb 02 03:15:53 actually, yeah, it should work fine Feb 02 03:15:55 maybe a swipe across a view menu or something like that Feb 02 03:16:07 if I swipe over a toggle widget, it won't trip the scroller Feb 02 03:16:10 two finger swipe versus single finger swipe Feb 02 03:16:14 so I'd imagine that a list widget would operate much the same Feb 02 03:16:15 funkatron: carbon is irrelevant, cause it separates timeline and mentions Feb 02 03:16:46 swipe on a list picker widget: scrolls, swipe on a toggle: toggles Feb 02 03:18:01 rwhitby: and it doesn't have a koto theme ;) Feb 02 03:18:37 haeffb: horizontal scrollers aren't great with swipe to delete Feb 02 03:18:58 I just don't get how people can keep track of a conversation when they have their own tweets, replies and mentions spread across two or three screens with no chronological association Feb 02 03:19:23 by using the conversation views? :p Feb 02 03:19:41 that's not the same SineOt Feb 02 03:19:54 yeah I love unified timeline in spaz. Feb 02 03:24:52 SineOt: conversation views don't include mentions Feb 02 03:28:22 e.g. I tweet "foo is great". someone else says "Hey, @webosinternals thinks foo is great, but I think @webosinternals is an idiot". someone replies to them with "No, @webosinternals is awesome. Just ask caj". That should all be in one sequence of messages chronologically ordered. Feb 02 03:41:19 hmm, what to do with the account panel: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-menu-panel.png ? Feb 02 03:41:44 I'd go with your color scheme Feb 02 03:42:01 you may need to make some images to replace what are used in dreadnaught Feb 02 03:43:56 rwhitby: Holy crap that is a giant cyclone headin your way. Feb 02 03:51:03 dgathright: well, heading towards the other side of the country from me :) Feb 02 03:51:26 well that's good Feb 02 03:51:45 well, for you at least. sucks for everyone over there. :) Feb 02 03:52:40 they're used to cyclones up that end of the country. I used to live up where in my early high school years Feb 02 03:52:59 rwhitby: it would be really nice if twitter had been *designed* around doing threading like that, everything to do it now is basically just hacks Feb 02 03:53:14 destinal: yup Feb 02 03:53:38 but I agree if I used twitter I'd absolutely want to see it that way. spaz does that? Feb 02 03:53:52 it has a unified timeline Feb 02 03:55:14 arguably twitter's being abused to do things it wasn't intended to do, re conversations, though. it's core use in the first place was supposed to be to answer "what are you doing right now", rather than conversation Feb 02 03:55:44 and IMO "what are you doing right now" is a silly question for me to constantly put tiny blurbs up for Feb 02 03:56:24 I've been using twitter for > 4 years now. It always was defined by how you use it, not what someone thought you should use it for Feb 02 03:56:27 hah, if twitter was actually used to answer "what are you doing right now?" I would never use it. Feb 02 03:56:53 funkatron: true, but a lot of the design and functionality of a tool flows from its intended use case Feb 02 03:57:07 thus lack of threading and other proper features for conversation Feb 02 03:57:34 kinda. I think the path has been much more complex and less intentional than you think, but nevertheless. Feb 02 03:57:44 I don't think I've ever said what I am doing right now on Twitter Feb 02 03:58:11 Usually I say "hey, I think you should know this" Feb 02 03:58:37 it was intended to be microblogging on your status, which I agree is silly. now it's like a massive bulletin board Feb 02 03:58:42 but less organized Feb 02 03:58:59 but it still sucks in many of the same ways :) Feb 02 03:59:10 (as it did originally) Feb 02 03:59:11 it's twitter - it's large enough that it creates its own definition Feb 02 04:00:50 beeeyotches Feb 02 04:01:41 I still think to "tweet" a message sounds indescribably lame (unless you actually are a bird) Feb 02 04:02:02 we are not birds Feb 02 04:02:12 and I fucking hate clients with bird names Feb 02 04:02:31 and "tw" names Feb 02 04:02:40 *punches everything* Feb 02 04:02:47 hehe Feb 02 04:07:14 hah Feb 02 04:08:04 * haeffb is drinking cognac and watching snow. Feb 02 04:08:16 oops, that was supposed to go on twitter Feb 02 04:08:23 or facebook. Feb 02 04:08:37 or said on the phone to my mom. Feb 02 04:09:10 who is really the *only* person who *might* be interested in what I'm doing right now. Feb 02 04:09:17 lol Feb 02 04:10:06 hey all Feb 02 04:10:13 does anyone here use Ares? Feb 02 04:10:25 I use the debugger Feb 02 04:10:29 and if so, are random total interface failures normal Feb 02 04:10:48 funkatron: is there any class/id differentiator for the two account lists? Feb 02 04:10:56 I don't think there is Feb 02 04:11:32 I may add one then Feb 02 04:13:10 well Feb 02 04:13:23 if you make markup changes, they have to be ported to all themes Feb 02 04:13:26 keep that in mind Feb 02 04:13:45 unless you add a class to one and use that Feb 02 04:13:48 that could work 8D Feb 02 04:14:21 yeah, I'd just add a class Feb 02 04:14:22 lol Feb 02 04:14:33 word Feb 02 04:22:18 funkatron: hah, whoopss. it's wrapped with palm-menu-panel-wrapper... Feb 02 04:22:26 there ya go Feb 02 04:29:58 * dkirker grumbles, walks into the corner and pouts Feb 02 04:30:25 dirka dirka! what's up? Feb 02 04:31:35 the pjproject changed the sound API and I cannot use the sound driver source file that I wanted to. :( Feb 02 04:31:38 funkatron: do you have the spaz logo used in the splash screen alone? Feb 02 04:31:46 yes Feb 02 04:31:51 can you email it? Feb 02 04:31:54 sure Feb 02 04:35:59 funkatron: got it, thanks Feb 02 04:36:05 awesome Feb 02 05:43:48 GAH!!!!! I was soooo close... :'( Feb 02 05:45:56 porque? Feb 02 05:47:11 phew. goodnight everyone Feb 02 05:47:19 I am trying to get audio support in moVox to work. It is soooo close.... Feb 02 05:47:29 dkirker: good luck Feb 02 05:47:34 thanks! Feb 02 05:47:38 good night Tibfib Feb 02 06:35:19 so Feb 02 06:35:26 looks like i have to get a phone soon guys Feb 02 06:35:29 9th is to far away Feb 02 07:14:10 dear god i need to stop Feb 02 07:14:29 damn case of the internets Feb 02 13:20:05 what is the top bar patch of choice these days? Feb 02 13:24:51 How to install a pre-app on my palm pre2? Feb 02 13:32:18 from the app catalog? Feb 02 14:37:36 Trying to package the simple pdk app, But it's showing the following error: Parse error in package.properties, unknown file "simple" Feb 02 14:52:59 morning fo,lks Feb 02 14:56:13 * haeffb stuck at home. Can't find my driveway... Feb 02 14:57:21 buried under 42" snow drifts from the snowpocalypse Feb 02 14:57:58 damn Feb 02 14:58:14 like 40 degress in south texas Feb 02 14:58:43 i only have san diego type clothing... Feb 02 14:59:49 very windy out Feb 02 15:01:01 haeffb: whoa! we only got like 6inches max Feb 02 15:01:10 been along time, finally gonna get to do some webos coding like in a week Feb 02 15:01:25 I don't know how much we got, but the drifts are crazy. Feb 02 15:02:13 the only thing 42" inches around here LCD TVs Feb 02 15:04:48 will find out today if palm sent me a free palm pre+ Feb 02 15:05:17 been away since october Feb 02 15:23:37 hey, I never got my free Pre+ Feb 02 15:24:38 will find out today if i got one or not Feb 02 15:25:49 * haeffb sends an email to Palm Feb 02 15:26:00 maybe they've run out and will send me a new tablet instead... Feb 02 15:27:06 awesome Feb 02 15:27:08 =) Feb 02 15:27:16 me too Feb 02 15:27:51 when is announcement of new products? feb 9th? Feb 02 15:34:58 breakfast time, chat a litttle later Feb 02 15:37:14 hmmm, http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz_2011-02-02_093356.png or http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/spaz-mentions-dms-1.png Feb 02 16:07:55 here's my driveway this morning: http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/20110202Blizzard#5569124276795235858 Feb 02 16:11:40 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs020.snc6/167068_10150094680448114_807138113_5990853_1376410_n.jpg Feb 02 16:11:53 yeah it's still coming down here Feb 02 16:18:58 that is one hell of a parking job... Feb 02 16:19:11 sugardave: got a tractor? Feb 02 16:19:30 no, what did I miss? Feb 02 16:19:34 that's true...we could fit at least 3 times the cars in the lot here if we could pull that off Feb 02 16:19:49 another angle http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs248.snc6/179658_126479244086904_120392064695622_158273_6762534_n.jpg Feb 02 16:20:05 whoa Feb 02 16:20:06 http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/20110202Blizzard#5569124276795235858 Feb 02 16:20:37 haeffb: is that your place? Feb 02 16:20:48 yeah, my driveway under 3' drifts Feb 02 16:20:53 nice :) Feb 02 16:21:02 think I'll just stay home today Feb 02 16:21:03 not a bit of wintry precipitation here at all Feb 02 16:21:12 but the power keeps going out Feb 02 16:21:28 Its sunny here Feb 02 16:21:39 its snowy here Feb 02 16:21:46 haeffb: I agree, stay home Feb 02 16:21:47 sunny here, too Feb 02 16:22:00 sunny and 15 degrees Feb 02 16:22:06 snowy here still Feb 02 16:22:20 snowy and 9 here lol Feb 02 16:22:47 did oil ever get that combo textField/listSelector working? Feb 02 16:23:03 unknown Feb 02 16:23:23 so, what's up? Feb 02 16:24:46 watching this week's episode of "Shameless" Feb 02 16:25:03 Lol Feb 02 16:25:08 anyone try to get into the Pixi's LED lately? Feb 02 16:25:20 sounds like fun lol Feb 02 16:26:16 * sugardave started watching Babylon 5 last weekend. Feb 02 16:26:21 I'm a little behind Feb 02 16:26:43 I have all of Caprica on DVR - haven't watched any yet Feb 02 16:27:54 good man sugardave Feb 02 16:28:28 good sugar dave man Feb 02 16:28:46 *thumbs up* Feb 02 16:29:26 oh hell, what if Puxatawney Phil can't get out of the hole? what does that mean? Feb 02 16:30:01 I have to learn objective see :'( Feb 02 16:30:32 stupid auto correct! 'ol, I ment objective c :'( Feb 02 16:38:44 anyone here know C or Objective-C? Feb 02 17:08:41 this is stupid Feb 02 17:09:25 we didn't have "rolling blackouts" any other year when the temperature got to below 20...no, only now that we have "more efficient, remotely monitored" electric meters does this shit happen Feb 02 17:09:32 I want my old meter back, bitches Feb 02 17:10:24 probably because every idiot went to walmart and bought all kinds of electric heat gizmos Feb 02 17:10:43 still can't believe you guys would have more load from that than summer A/C Feb 02 17:10:51 it's a state-wide pandemic Feb 02 17:10:55 no shit Feb 02 17:12:01 its all the new electric cars :p Feb 02 17:12:25 don't remember if i asked this yesterday Feb 02 17:12:35 can i get app catalog on sdk/emualtor .. i have preware on there Feb 02 17:13:55 chuqui: you have mail Feb 02 17:14:07 no, app catalog cannot be used on emu (as far as I know) Feb 02 17:16:23 sugardave lost power again? Feb 02 17:17:51 haeffb: maybe, maybe not. Feb 02 17:18:38 ;o Feb 02 17:20:06 7 days! Feb 02 17:20:12 7!!!!!! Feb 02 17:20:16 se7en!!! Feb 02 17:20:17 YOU'RE A TORCH! Feb 02 17:20:20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Feb 02 17:20:24 7 DAYS Feb 02 17:20:30 11 HOURS Feb 02 17:20:31 40 MINUTES Feb 02 17:20:37 AND 28 SECONDS UNTIL YOU DIIIIIIIIIIE Feb 02 17:20:38 zomg Feb 02 17:20:42 you're going down FOOTBALL HEAD Feb 02 17:21:11 lol hey arnold Feb 02 17:21:50 Hay ARNOLD!!! that show was awesome! lol Feb 02 17:21:53 7 days until what Feb 02 17:22:04 until new phones on Sprint! Feb 02 17:22:04 oh we can preorder our verizon iphones? Feb 02 17:22:19 new webos phone on sprint please come the hell on Feb 02 17:22:22 I'm getting testy Feb 02 17:22:29 lol, well see new devices on sprint when hell freezes over Feb 02 17:22:53 * CTLAdvance hopes his last statement is incorrect Feb 02 17:23:27 * haeffb going out to shovel snow again Feb 02 17:23:58 * PatrickC_Pre hopes that happens soon :) Feb 02 17:24:35 Torchie - hows your nookcolor Feb 02 17:25:50 does app catalog have an ipk ? Feb 02 17:25:53 is it wrong that I want one even though I'd have almost no use for it Feb 02 17:27:04 I don't think the catalog has an ipk Feb 02 17:32:06 PatrickC_Pre how do i get it for the sdk/emulator ? Feb 02 17:32:30 I don't think there is app catalog access for the emu Feb 02 17:33:38 loudergood Feb 02 17:33:42 what are you talking about Feb 02 17:33:51 nookcolor? Feb 02 17:33:55 yeah Feb 02 17:34:00 Yeah, same here Feb 02 17:34:16 between my nook eink, my phone, and my laptop.... Feb 02 17:34:18 Loudergood: I bought one to develop stuff on and I found out I had more use for it than I though Feb 02 17:34:19 I would use it to read, its pretty nice at 250, and now they have honeycomb running on it Feb 02 17:34:20 t Feb 02 17:35:02 though we wouldnt need a nookcolor if we had any real support for webOS from B&N and Kindle Feb 02 17:35:05 amazon*] Feb 02 17:35:28 yeah, I would like that Feb 02 17:35:43 CTLAdvance: we'll see what happens when tablets come out, they've got to have something Feb 02 17:36:06 I would hope so Feb 02 17:36:23 that's most of the short list of specific branded stuff that people whine about not having Feb 02 17:36:32 Yep Feb 02 17:37:19 CTLAdvance: and I use nookcolor more like a tablet than a reader most of the time Feb 02 17:37:34 Thats why I was thinking about getting one Feb 02 17:37:47 destinal did you open it up for basic android use? Feb 02 17:37:55 Seems to run pretty smooth Feb 02 17:38:17 CTLAdvance: yeah I've been involved with the NC root stuff from more or less the start of it Feb 02 17:38:32 great Feb 02 17:38:45 Is there a stock rom image incase you want to go back to basic nook> Feb 02 17:38:46 ? Feb 02 17:38:59 or the stock setup Feb 02 17:39:06 CTLAdvance: yeah Feb 02 17:39:52 at 249 its a very tempting tablet Feb 02 17:40:16 * halfhalo prefers the archos 70 himself Feb 02 17:40:23 CTLAdvance: solid hardware build also Feb 02 17:40:37 furthermore, nothing else in its price range has an IPS screen afaik Feb 02 17:41:20 if they had just released it as an android tablet it wouldn't have sold methinks Feb 02 17:41:49 nook color is the gift that keeps on giving Feb 02 17:41:51 halfhalo: what? it's probably the best android tablet for the price out there, it would have sold, but they don't make much profit on it selling it this cheap Feb 02 17:42:25 they're selling it as a reader to sell ebooks Feb 02 17:42:44 I run rooted and buy nookbooks anyway Feb 02 17:42:56 which puts me in a somewhat compromising situation when I move over to a real tablet Feb 02 17:42:56 well, when you hear "android tablet from bn" you just sorta go "eh", but when you hear "ereader from bn" you go "interesting..." Feb 02 17:43:21 destinal: I'm not saying its not an andoid tablet, I'm saying it was not really marketed as one Feb 02 17:43:26 I hope webOS has a unified solution for every reading format Feb 02 17:43:42 nook color's got a sweet library app built in that auto-indexes your pdfs, epubs, etc Feb 02 17:43:46 not really...nookbooks are just epubs with adobedrm Feb 02 17:43:55 yeah except how do you get the epubs Feb 02 17:43:57 torchie: there are regular B&N store apps for other tablets, hopefully there'll be one for webos. if not, you can just strip the DRM and load the epub Feb 02 17:44:37 eh thats when we get a good epub reader for webOS Feb 02 17:44:41 there's stuff out there that can be found with a google search, I haven' Feb 02 17:44:46 maybe I'll just make it Feb 02 17:44:46 go here http://my.barnesandnoble.com/ebooks/ebookslibrary.html Feb 02 17:44:56 and I'll call it "Library" Feb 02 17:45:01 login, click download Feb 02 17:45:02 the unified solution for all your reading needs Feb 02 17:45:19 eh Feb 02 17:45:19 heh :) should be possible to do a good ebook reader in a hybrid app Feb 02 17:45:20 epubs, pdfs, web bookmarks etc all in one place Feb 02 17:45:25 then ill make "Bookstore" Feb 02 17:45:27 maybe even in mojo Feb 02 17:45:28 bookmarks etc Feb 02 17:45:34 only $42.99 in the app catalog Feb 02 17:45:40 lol yeah Feb 02 17:45:41 CTLAdvance: heres an idea Feb 02 17:45:42 what if Feb 02 17:45:48 we just took every book from project gutenberg Feb 02 17:45:56 and spammed the app catalog with each one in app form Feb 02 17:45:59 and made a 99cent app Feb 02 17:46:02 yes Feb 02 17:46:04 lol Feb 02 17:46:04 I like it Feb 02 17:46:15 wait Feb 02 17:46:16 what if Feb 02 17:46:45 we get publishers to allow us to sell their books in individual page form for .99 cents and make a page per pook app model and spam the catalog Feb 02 17:47:02 I just have to say Feb 02 17:47:03 only if you make sure the publishers are really unscrupulous sounding ones Feb 02 17:47:08 BRILLIANT Feb 02 17:47:12 who publish nothing but HOW TO MAXIMIZE YOUR SMALL BUSINESS books Feb 02 17:47:28 anyway I gotta rush to the print lab, write a sorry excuse for a second draft Feb 02 17:47:33 rush to the laundromat Feb 02 17:47:41 then bring a bag full of clothes into English Feb 02 17:47:47 BRILLIANT Feb 02 18:31:08 whew. Only about 12 hours worth of shoveling left to be able to leave my driveway Feb 02 18:31:40 \o/ hotdp!!! Feb 02 18:36:06 EY haeffb!! Feb 02 18:36:10 How is it snowing? Feb 02 18:38:54 not snowing anymore. sun is shinging on the 3' drifts in my driveway Feb 02 18:41:26 :) Feb 02 18:42:23 my driveway this morning: http://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/20110202Blizzard#5569124276795235858 Feb 02 18:43:15 this is ridiculous Feb 02 18:43:25 can't get the jeep out of the garage Feb 02 18:43:26 lol Feb 02 18:43:30 8-10 minutes of power every 2 hours? Feb 02 18:43:30 nice Feb 02 18:43:33 un-fucking-acceptable Feb 02 18:43:38 sugardave has power back! Feb 02 18:43:44 is the nuclear power failing? Feb 02 18:43:47 for a few seconds Feb 02 18:43:48 sugardave: switch electricity providers Feb 02 18:44:11 learn2generate Feb 02 18:44:39 yeah, I need a generator apparently...yet it is 26 degrees here, and I've seen it be 12 or less and we never had rolling statewide blackouts before Feb 02 18:44:46 build a giant windmill in your back yard Feb 02 18:45:02 and from April to October, 8 billion Texans are running their A/C at 67 degrees Feb 02 18:45:03 with fire! Feb 02 18:45:06 no blackouts then, either Feb 02 18:45:28 so I gotta ask myself, "Self, what is different now?" Feb 02 18:45:39 and the answer is smart meters Feb 02 18:45:44 all us northerners are sucking up your volts Feb 02 18:45:48 apparently Feb 02 18:46:18 I say screw you guys, Texas electicity for Texans! Feb 02 18:52:53 Has there been any word on DB8? Searching for docs on developer.palm.com and google don't turn up much Feb 02 18:56:13 is DB8 even out yet? Feb 02 18:56:41 it's on my Pre 2 Feb 02 18:57:20 omg, we're approaching 30 minutes of uninterrupted power Feb 02 18:57:24 I'm scared and confused Feb 02 19:02:36 lol Feb 02 19:04:53 hmm its looking more and more like the pre2 will be launched on 2/9 Feb 02 19:04:57 pre2 on verizon Feb 02 19:07:53 and sugardaves power is gone Feb 02 19:09:45 So that's what I'm trying to find out, if DB8 is in webos 2 or not, I don't have a pre2 to check, and I'm not in the EAP Feb 02 19:10:12 all I could find on palm.com was the announcment from may and some forum posts from midyear Feb 02 19:10:34 is the only way to get webos2 docs to be in the EAP? Feb 02 19:10:43 yes Feb 02 19:11:24 ok, well I applied, we'll see if I get accepted Feb 02 19:11:36 thanks Feb 02 19:16:34 :s Feb 02 19:17:31 * halfhalo-pre gives sugardave a cookie to calm him down Feb 02 19:45:33 kinofcain: well, you could download the pre2 doctor also and poke around Feb 02 19:47:55 haeffb: i did the "better list selector" Feb 02 19:47:59 and its got a text field in it Feb 02 19:48:02 but not like a combo box Feb 02 19:49:33 where can I see it Feb 02 19:50:15 impostah Feb 02 19:50:33 the scenes with large list selectors, pop one open and type Feb 02 19:50:42 downloading Feb 02 19:56:38 nice Feb 02 19:59:04 yeah, works pretty good if you've got a big listselector Feb 02 20:00:31 wouldn't be hard to make that into a combo box Feb 02 20:02:02 if thats what you needed Feb 02 20:07:11 What I want is a way to enter multiple tags and allow the user to either type in a tag or select from a list of existing ones Feb 02 20:08:28 which is slightly more complicated Feb 02 20:09:21 IS IT 2/9 YET?!?!? Feb 02 20:09:34 NO! Feb 02 20:09:37 :( Feb 02 20:09:55 dgathright: 1 week exactly Feb 02 20:10:00 it might be in Australia. They're a little ahead of us... Feb 02 20:13:07 not that far Feb 02 20:14:56 yeah, well, it still sucks that they get to hear about the new stuff before we do. Feb 02 20:16:18 This time next week, we'll ceremoniously burn our Pres and Pixis! Feb 02 20:17:23 I am thinking that the Pre 2 on verizon will be the first new device to launch Feb 02 20:17:41 probably soon after the event Feb 02 20:34:47 haha, Elance says I can be an 'HTML5 Expert' Feb 02 21:43:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM Feb 02 21:43:50 haha Feb 02 21:46:11 "tracer t" Feb 02 21:46:12 omg Feb 02 21:46:18 I weep for the future Feb 02 21:47:42 haeffb__, dgathright: It's isn't 2/9 in Australia for another 7 months ... Feb 02 21:47:51 haha Feb 02 21:48:52 *rimshot* Feb 02 21:48:57 hmm Feb 02 21:49:21 anyone mmind pming me something about early devolpment .. if your on there or registerd can you pm me ? Feb 02 21:49:36 Or, wait, maybe in Australia it is *tohsmir* =P Feb 02 21:51:48 macman_: people in the NDA club can't talk about being in the NDA club Feb 02 21:54:18 its like fightclub Feb 02 21:54:32 dont talk about fightclub Feb 02 21:55:01 * dgathright wants to watch that movie now Feb 02 21:56:26 hey dawm: what was it you picked up in Metrix logs? There was two new ones, yeah? Something wine related and another Feb 02 21:56:47 know what they do at developer events? Feb 02 21:56:48 make soap! Feb 02 21:57:04 It's getting hard to keep track of! Nova-Barleywine, Nova-Blowfish, Nova-Catfish... Feb 02 21:57:13 Man I love making soap do we get to pick our own scents :B Feb 02 21:58:50 no Feb 02 21:58:58 its all "essence of programmer" Feb 02 21:59:08 sweat + frustration Feb 02 21:59:16 with a hint of cheetos Feb 02 21:59:17 the new fragrance from Calvin Klein Feb 02 22:00:12 I think I just threw up a little in my mouth! :B Feb 02 22:03:04 thats how you know its good Feb 02 22:04:50 bacon Feb 02 22:04:54 at christmas Feb 02 22:05:54 bacon wrapped deep fried turducken Feb 02 22:06:32 mmm Feb 02 22:06:59 sineot: this is almost as bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xc5wIpUenQ Feb 02 22:06:59 If you can stuff that in a lamb, count me in! Feb 02 22:07:33 heh, dgathright: I thought for a second that it'd be the video of RMS eating stuff off his feet Feb 02 22:07:37 those guys are hilarious Feb 02 22:08:26 sonofabitch! I want to eat that Feb 02 22:09:03 heh, they have a bottle of vodka on the table Feb 02 22:09:29 most of this makes me want to die, but man, that glaze with Dr. Pepper actually sounds not that bad! Feb 02 22:11:10 the rest of it though makes me want to go climb in a hole and die :C Feb 02 22:19:29 http://www.businessinsider.com/chicago-snow-picture-2011-2 - <- Snow pic Feb 02 22:32:33 man, that's creepy Feb 02 22:33:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niEIuwLCCiQ&feature=player_embedded# Feb 02 22:33:43 nose stand ;D Feb 02 22:34:05 i wonder if they were able to get out of the car with it like that Feb 02 22:34:51 heh, that's what happens when you have an accident and noone can move Feb 02 22:36:11 w Feb 02 22:36:54 You are in room with exits to the east and north. Feb 02 22:37:35 Thank you for placing your order with Intel AppUp(SM) Center -- we appreciate your business! Feb 02 22:37:53 Item(s): Price Feb 02 22:37:55 # Angry Birds Feb 02 22:37:55 Free Feb 02 22:38:10 too bad the stupid intel appup client doesnt work Feb 02 22:38:12 nice...I'm thinking of getting it on the PS3 Feb 02 22:38:59 i thought about it.. but i already have it on the pre and ipod. not gonna pay for it a 3rd time Feb 02 22:43:25 Hahaha Feb 02 22:43:33 http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs040.snc6/167050_495701930167_7613480167_6590873_7052126_n.jpg Feb 02 22:43:41 caption "This isn't the Apocalypse, it's Chicago right now" Feb 02 22:59:50 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs897.ash1/180579_1735540022176_1048858191_2032542_939701_n.jpg Feb 02 23:00:03 did not enjoy shoveling all that snow from my driveway.. stupid br0ked snowblower Feb 02 23:24:49 SineOt: i dont remmber Feb 02 23:24:51 lemme look Feb 02 23:25:45 Ah. Yeah I think there's like 5 versions now floating around? Feb 02 23:25:49 Nova-Bourbon Feb 02 23:29:20 So Nova-Barleywine, Nova-Bourbon... Then Nova-Blowfish and Nova-Catfish? Feb 02 23:29:25 Wonder why the two lines of codenames. Feb 02 23:29:53 Also: Calling it now in that teaser video: Broadway! Pixi replacement slider! :Q Feb 02 23:30:19 havent seen catfish yet Feb 02 23:30:37 Oh, and Nova-Babelfish. Feb 02 23:30:42 The developer for Voogle caught that one. Feb 02 23:31:06 So 3 fish based codenames, and two alcohol based codenames. Feb 02 23:31:58 * SineOt guesses that Fish versions are Tablet/Enyo, alcohol are Phone. Feb 02 23:31:59 soo.. that metrix viewer app no longer appears to work Feb 02 23:32:09 The developer for it pulled it. Feb 02 23:32:20 well i have it installed heh and its not working Feb 02 23:33:50 why did he pull it? Feb 02 23:36:44 weird D: Feb 02 23:44:01 ugh Feb 02 23:44:14 im not getting js errors with the 2.0 sdk Feb 02 23:44:28 app doesnt halt, it just doesnt do whatever that function is erroring on Feb 02 23:50:35 im so stupid sometimes Feb 02 23:50:48 randomstring generator = making tweet testing so much easier Feb 02 23:53:44 The 9th can't come soon enough :p Feb 02 23:55:51 hey chuq Feb 02 23:56:06 @chuqui, ping Feb 03 00:18:55 SineOt: that would line up with Stingray / Mantaray which may be Topaz and Opal. Gems -> fish ? Feb 03 00:19:38 Yeah, possibly... What gets confusing is why they'd have -two- internal code names for the tablets, you know? Feb 03 00:19:49 Not that it's impossible, just seems odd. Feb 03 00:20:04 the Gem names never really lined up with the way palm did internal codenames. Feb 03 00:22:03 How did they do codenames? Feb 03 00:22:10 SineOt: what two internal code names do they have for the tablets? Feb 03 00:22:16 (other than topaz and opal) Feb 03 00:22:22 ugh sometimes ajax pisses me off Feb 03 00:22:27 All I've really followed are... Castle, Roadrunner, and Pixie (ugh) Feb 03 00:22:36 Broadway Feb 03 00:22:57 rwhitby: Stingray/Mantaray would be a pair, and I've thought that they'd be the tablets for a while now Feb 03 00:23:00 well, castle roadrunner and pixie are all publicly known codenames for phones Feb 03 00:23:09 Coming in with a smaller (7) and larger (10) designs Feb 03 00:23:21 SineOt: on what basis did you think that? Feb 03 00:23:21 yeah, I was just going off publicly known ones Feb 03 00:23:59 Of the codenames pulled from the SFR doctors, you had Broadway, Windsor, Roadrunner (known now to be the Pre2), Stingray, and Mantaray. Feb 03 00:24:09 * rwhitby doesn't remember any leaks indicating what stingray/mantaray actually are Feb 03 00:24:25 Given the two names having such a similarity, I conjectured that they'd be two closely related devices Feb 03 00:24:38 Like a tablet where the only major external differences were screensizes P: Feb 03 00:24:59 rwhitby: no, but it seems like a reasonable guess that Opal / Topaz may be Stingray / Mantaray especially with the fish internal OS codenames Feb 03 00:25:18 Which then lines up with what's leaked about the Topaz and Opal devices. Similar naming schemes, both gems, mapping to a pair of tablet devices Feb 03 00:25:23 ugh its like this function calls before the ajax request spits back the data.. Feb 03 00:25:51 And webOS has two distinct code bases right now, named off alcohols and then the other off of fish Feb 03 00:26:57 there's only two webOS code names I know of that are actually mapped to versions are Nova-Albacore being 1.4 and another which is an alcohol based codename Feb 03 00:26:58 ah, but http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/684/3982 ties them together Feb 03 00:27:22 yeah, but now you've got Nova-Bourbon floating around :p Feb 03 00:27:32 Along with Catfish and Babelfish and Blowfish Feb 03 00:27:42 babel is way way old Feb 03 00:27:42 oh, where's nova-bourbon reported? Feb 03 00:27:51 rwhitby: one of my logs Feb 03 00:27:54 dawm|laptop caught it Feb 03 00:27:57 dawm|laptop: what specs? Feb 03 00:27:57 was most recently 1/31 Feb 03 00:28:06 Babel may be way old but it still falls in with the naming scheme Feb 03 00:28:09 same as all the rest, nothing new to report other than the webos version Feb 03 00:28:16 says its a pre Feb 03 00:28:20 but on that same palm ip Feb 03 00:30:27 Perhaps people are confusing device codename and software codenames ... Feb 03 00:30:39 indeed Feb 03 00:31:05 Nova-* = software Feb 03 00:31:24 Oh, software codenames to me are just saying that there's probably two branches right now... One without Enyo and one with Feb 03 00:31:54 The Stingray/Mantaray being tablets conjecture was just simply based on the two being so closely related as animals then making sense with it being a pair of similar devices :p Feb 03 00:32:19 ugh wish i could get this working right.. sending a tweet and i want it to send back the ajax return output but it appears even with a callback the data isnt there when im trying to access it Feb 03 00:32:24 surely that conjecture is no longer held after the latest tablet leaks though Feb 03 00:32:52 no, it's obvious that HP at the least is internally referring to them as Topaz and Opal Feb 03 00:33:19 but if it means that the devices now have two codenames, one of them an older Palm internal, and a newer gem based HP Palm internal, I'm not sure about Feb 03 00:33:21 One would hope that tablets are not the only things announced on Feb 9 Feb 03 00:33:51 rwhitby: judging from the movie on the HP site, it looks like we have a new slider Feb 03 00:33:55 I'm fairly sure that the thing in the teaser video is a phone, and probably Broadway at that, so I don't think it'll be just tablets Feb 03 00:34:08 A straight slider at that Feb 03 00:34:31 I think the large static image is the tablet, though Feb 03 00:39:06 duh Feb 03 00:39:09 its so thin Feb 03 00:42:19 sugardave you around can i pm ? Feb 03 00:44:59 what the heck.. Feb 03 00:45:14 oh man.. im being stupid Feb 03 00:46:41 Pre central seems to think the white dots thing is a dock connector of some sort Feb 03 00:49:21 it looks like a dock port, but it also looks like it moves Feb 03 00:49:34 unless thats to help align it in the dock Feb 03 00:49:46 what the heck.. now twitter is giving me the wrong data Feb 03 00:49:54 wrong tweet id's Feb 03 00:51:37 yay fixed Feb 03 00:51:49 its id_str to the tweet, wonder what id is for Feb 03 00:51:50 was it your fault, or twitter's fault? Feb 03 00:52:00 both Feb 03 00:52:04 bad naming on their part Feb 03 00:52:10 not reading docs on mine Feb 03 00:53:05 hrm it appears they dont list what the return values are Feb 03 00:57:07 will there be an updat to webos 2 eventually ? Feb 03 00:57:22 yup Feb 03 00:57:22 eventually Feb 03 00:57:28 no idea when that will be though Feb 03 00:57:52 hey guys Feb 03 00:57:59 anybody here? Feb 03 00:58:09 yup Feb 03 00:58:15 Tibfib: this lib has changed a lot ;P Feb 03 00:58:29 guys, can you pm me your info? Feb 03 00:58:42 for the interview with a major tech magazine for WebOS Feb 03 00:58:48 if you guys wana be interviewed Feb 03 00:58:49 im removing the stupid limits i put on it, tweet() now supports anything from the tweet api Feb 03 00:59:09 verbal interview? Feb 03 00:59:12 i hate phonecalls Feb 03 01:00:10 errr, email interview Feb 03 01:00:18 well, anybody else interested? Feb 03 01:00:35 they mostly want to know about why WebOS havn't take off and what we think about the tablet Feb 03 01:01:15 heh Feb 03 01:01:18 what magazine? Feb 03 01:01:46 its a sekret Feb 03 01:02:09 now to make sure follow works Feb 03 01:02:55 anybody else? Feb 03 01:03:31 i can think of a few people that should, but i think their idling Feb 03 01:06:54 "Why WebOS hasn't taken off" is a pretty loaded question from a magazine. Feb 03 01:07:44 right before they announce stuff that will hopefully take it off Feb 03 01:07:54 whats preferred? cookie.put({}); or cookie.put(''); to clear a cookie Feb 03 01:11:52 * rwhitby points to http://img.youtube.com/vi/G3iUH79ok8A/0.jpg <- five dots. coincidence? I think not. Feb 03 01:12:12 we're looking a sneak peek of the webOS toaster. no doubt about it. Feb 03 01:15:26 * oil has all sorts of doubts Feb 03 01:15:35 hm? Feb 03 01:17:02 * halfhalo would buy it Feb 03 01:19:33 heh Feb 03 01:20:31 this lib only does authorization, publishing of tweets, and follow, but maybe others will add more Feb 03 01:22:08 rwhitby will surely use it for "twittah" Feb 03 01:22:24 where can i find info on licenses.. Feb 03 01:22:36 like what would be the best and whatnot Feb 03 01:22:39 Wikipedia? Feb 03 01:22:39 i need to pick one Feb 03 01:22:51 dawm|laptop: http://opensource.org/ Feb 03 01:24:11 isnt there one where i pick my options and it tells me whats best? heh i like to do things the easy way Feb 03 01:24:58 lol Feb 03 01:25:55 Could always just MIT it :p Feb 03 01:30:51 WHAT ARE THOSE 5 DOTS?! Feb 03 01:31:16 toasting progress indicator. clearly. Feb 03 01:31:25 yah Feb 03 01:32:09 It's the connector port for the new Palm Teledildonics Suite. Feb 03 01:32:13 dawm|laptop: the key question is whether or not you want others to be able to take your code and include it in closed source programs, so that you never see or benefit from any modifications or improvements they may make. Feb 03 01:32:45 yeh id like to see all improvements Feb 03 01:32:47 if you want closed source programs to be able to use it, choose MIT. If not, choose GPL. Feb 03 01:33:29 SineOt just wanted to bring up teledildonics Feb 03 01:33:31 i wrote this initially for myself but its good enough to be out there in the public so it can be better Feb 03 01:34:21 brb Feb 03 01:35:47 It's always a good time to bring up teledildonics. :I Feb 03 01:36:08 lol Feb 03 01:38:23 hahaha ;_; Feb 03 01:38:35 XML teledildonics protocol Feb 03 01:39:12 J-OFF, the JSON-based teledildonics protocol Feb 03 01:39:15 looks like the grip on the vibrate toggle switch Feb 03 01:39:33 * dohtem has to stop watching this damn vid Feb 03 01:42:20 haha, dohtem :] Feb 03 01:42:23 it's a good vid! Feb 03 01:42:38 I'm like 99.9% sure that the device featured is Broadway. Feb 03 01:52:36 I dont see a flash on the camera Feb 03 01:52:55 5 little flashes! Feb 03 01:53:27 I'd happily forgo the flash for autofocus + backlit CCD or whatever that fanciness is. Feb 03 01:54:46 and macro shots! Feb 03 02:15:14 lol, nice vid Feb 03 02:22:32 that black and white thing is totally a toggle, I'm guessing volume Feb 03 02:22:47 it is in a channel.. Feb 03 02:22:53 and they look like grooves Feb 03 02:23:15 come on Tibfib, think beyond! Feb 03 02:23:27 lol Feb 03 02:23:34 I hope they aren't connectors.. seemless with backcover ftw Feb 03 02:24:30 lol, seamless* Feb 03 02:25:21 Pssst there is no back cover, non-removable battery ftw Feb 03 02:25:46 non-removable FTL! Feb 03 02:26:47 dangit, I can't figure out what the white/black thing is.. Feb 03 02:27:02 smaller, lighter devices ftw Feb 03 02:27:05 SineOt: already figured it out Feb 03 02:27:18 It could be a volume switch, that moves and clicks in place with each notch.. Feb 03 02:27:25 oil: figured out what? Feb 03 02:27:29 what its for Feb 03 02:27:35 what is it for? Feb 03 02:27:42 and it is for? Feb 03 02:27:44 It's the connector port for the new Palm Teledildonics Suite. Feb 03 02:28:00 noo Feb 03 02:28:14 maybe.. hah Feb 03 02:28:17 I can't figure it out Feb 03 02:29:12 precentral says pretty matter-of-factly that its a dock connector Feb 03 02:30:49 what do they know!!~!!! Feb 03 02:31:22 ello Feb 03 02:31:58 hrmm. No clue anymore Feb 03 02:32:02 I just don't see a dock connector :p Feb 03 02:32:13 it's a toasting progress indicator Feb 03 02:32:28 unless it's a thing to let you do data over touchstone too :V Feb 03 02:32:55 yeah, it might be a wireless connector Feb 03 02:33:07 I think it's a switch of some kind.. hah. Feb 03 02:34:36 people say the preview looks like this: http://media.precentral.net/resources/images/000/017/375/original/bhughes719.jpg ... I don't think so Feb 03 02:35:40 Tibfib: which is funny, because that's basically a Pre based Pixi Feb 03 02:35:46 which is what Broadway is supposed to be :p Feb 03 02:36:11 I hope it has a portrait keyboard Feb 03 02:38:07 It will ;o Feb 03 02:38:14 Hey mattsmcnulty Feb 03 02:38:20 hola Feb 03 02:38:38 * halfhalo hides the goods Feb 03 02:38:43 MAH COOKIES Feb 03 02:39:32 * halfhalo went crazy in his comp arch class Feb 03 02:40:13 mattsmcnulty: when you do lunch, since you don't eat at the Palm HQ... you do sushi normally? Feb 03 02:40:29 I normally have to actually skip lunch in sunnyvale Feb 03 02:40:59 boo, that's bad .. lunch makes for more productive workers Feb 03 02:41:07 mattsmcnulty doesn't DO lunch. mattsmcnulty is too busy envisioning the future of webOS and sharing that vision with his bevy of bright young things. Feb 03 02:41:15 do you just drink instead? XD Feb 03 02:41:19 I wish Feb 03 02:41:27 drinking is for after about 9pm on the 9th Feb 03 02:41:33 lol Feb 03 02:41:38 lol Feb 03 02:41:40 we need another countdown website Feb 03 02:41:42 unfortunately for most others it will be about 1pm Feb 03 02:41:49 my alcohol/fish theory: destroyed Feb 03 02:42:04 mattsmcnulty is too busy chasing memory leaks and pluggin silly bugs before a frantic releasee date coming far too soon. Feb 03 02:42:16 no mem leaks Feb 03 02:42:17 but not soon enough! Feb 03 02:42:29 mattsmcnulty doesn't want the guys on the big stage up front to be using a fake demo software. Feb 03 02:42:33 * halfhalo is actually excited about it for once Feb 03 02:42:44 dang. I think everyone is excited :) Feb 03 02:42:52 mattsmcnulty is unfortunately *on* the big stage a bit too much Feb 03 02:43:09 mattsmcnulty if that's true, then I will sing your praises for a long time. No memory leaks! Yippee. Feb 03 02:43:18 wtf.. Feb 03 02:43:27 no more global event listeners = no mem leaks Feb 03 02:43:32 win Feb 03 02:43:34 unfollow aint working, but its the same as follow.. arg Feb 03 02:43:39 mattsmcnulty is on stage so much that mattsmcnulty talks in third person? :3 Feb 03 02:43:50 nah, he is just my alter ego Feb 03 02:43:59 actually, I am only on stage in the evening Feb 03 02:44:05 mattsmcnulty has to prepare his ego to fill the space in Spain. Feb 03 02:44:10 though I am really on stage all morning too, just not personally Feb 03 02:44:21 Spain has good wine for that I hear, rick-work Feb 03 02:44:33 oh oh oh a LEAK -- someone email dieter. Matt is only on stage in the evening!!! Feb 03 02:44:41 OH NOES Feb 03 02:44:59 I'm the developer dude, not the demo new products dude Feb 03 02:45:03 no big shocker there Feb 03 02:45:16 who's the demo new products dude? Feb 03 02:45:20 RUBY! Feb 03 02:45:31 * Tibfib guesses Feb 03 02:45:50 I would say ruby is likely a safe bet for product intros Feb 03 02:46:09 yeah, he's done all the previous ones.. Feb 03 02:46:15 what about for the webos toaster we saw teased today? Feb 03 02:46:22 maybe a strategic partner with pilsbury ? Feb 03 02:46:25 * oil thought the "they said no, you can't call it that" part of matts talk at devdays was good Feb 03 02:46:30 can you comment?? Feb 03 02:46:35 that wasn't a toaster - that was a 4-door microwave with wheels Feb 03 02:46:50 haha, the aztek! yes Feb 03 02:46:52 we've reinvented the pontiac aztek Feb 03 02:46:56 lol Feb 03 02:47:05 * halfhalo goes home Feb 03 02:47:19 oil: hah, I enjoyed that part Feb 03 02:48:09 hp has been super smart with their marketing. been making good decisions lately Feb 03 02:48:20 to what are you referring? Feb 03 02:48:27 "Think again" from engadget, this teaser vid Feb 03 02:48:30 is it too much hype ? Feb 03 02:48:39 it may be.. but it's pretty smart Feb 03 02:48:39 just leave everyone disappointed ? Feb 03 02:49:00 whats the prefered way to deleta a cookie? Feb 03 02:49:06 cookie.put(); ? Feb 03 02:49:14 cookie.DELETEYOSELF() Feb 03 02:49:18 isn't there a clear or delete or something? Feb 03 02:49:19 tibfib, this twitter lib has been overhauled :D Feb 03 02:49:36 oh we'll have a fun chat 2/10 Feb 03 02:49:37 dawm|laptop: nice, I may update to it :) Feb 03 02:49:43 haha Feb 03 02:49:49 mattsmcnulty: looking forward to it Feb 03 02:49:52 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1856 Feb 03 02:49:54 .remove() Feb 03 02:50:11 if only my flight to BCN had wifi Feb 03 02:50:32 yeah, in-flight wifi is awesome Feb 03 02:50:53 it does not appear to - I just looked up the plane on seatguru Feb 03 02:51:10 love that site Feb 03 02:51:17 Tibfib: its pretty much the same, just redone properly, you can now specify all the allowable parameters for tweets, and follow/unfollow Feb 03 02:51:25 mattsmcnulty: do you hand carry or ship the demo units to spain ? Feb 03 02:51:25 redid all the function outputs too Feb 03 02:51:32 sample app works as it should ;P Feb 03 02:51:52 except i need new api keys for it Feb 03 02:51:56 demo units of what? I carry my pre2 with me Feb 03 02:52:07 unannounced things do not exist Feb 03 02:52:13 nice try though Feb 03 02:52:23 what about pre2's with newer software on them ? Feb 03 02:52:35 things that do not exist therefore... ARE ALREADY IN SPAIN Feb 03 02:52:38 "mattsmcnulty confirms webos is still currently being developed!" Feb 03 02:52:46 haha Feb 03 02:53:09 mattsmcnulty can neither confirm nor deny that there are as yet unfinished future versions of webOS Feb 03 02:53:17 i know when we put on customer demos, we always ship out pelican cases fedex overnight Feb 03 02:53:31 well of course he can't! They are moving to android! Feb 03 02:53:42 can't the pelican's just fly there themselves? Feb 03 02:53:43 ewww Feb 03 02:54:04 i wish, it would save a crapton in shipping fees Feb 03 02:54:25 we once shipped out a spectrum analyzer and logic analyzer with a whole set of radios just to debug out in the field .. asinine Feb 03 02:59:12 goodnight everyone Feb 03 02:59:18 night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 03 02:59:57 2011