**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 03 02:59:57 2011 Feb 03 03:03:14 anyone got a snipplet for doing something on a textbox when enter is pressed? Feb 03 03:03:51 isn't it just enterSubmits: true on your model? or something, can't remember off the top of my head Feb 03 03:05:46 oh i dont use the textbox widget Feb 03 03:06:14 "doing something on a textbox when enter is pressed" threw me off :p Feb 03 03:06:22 SineOt, dawm, did he contact you yet? Feb 03 03:06:41 Haven't heard anything, so no Feb 03 03:06:53 hopefully he won't take me out of context =| Feb 03 03:07:00 lol Feb 03 03:07:14 I dont think he'll publish it until next wednesday, HP's event Feb 03 03:07:44 no not yet Feb 03 03:08:04 err lemme double check something Feb 03 03:08:51 nvm thought i gave you a invalid email Feb 03 03:09:18 I thought that too, haha Feb 03 03:09:25 anyhooo.. off to bed, ill do the dosomething() on enter tomorrow and i think then ill be able to put this on github Feb 03 03:09:52 oh yah.. gotta make docs too meh.. Feb 03 03:10:16 well, we'll see, this time i made sure I didn't say anything "stupid" Feb 03 03:12:02 what, did you say something stupid last time? XD Feb 03 03:12:09 yah =| Feb 03 03:12:51 'lo crew Feb 03 03:13:00 hey mugen[dsktp] Feb 03 03:13:32 hey sine :D Feb 03 03:14:08 how's the wind box doing? still live and kicking? Feb 03 03:14:52 yup yup Feb 03 03:15:05 set up Dropbox so all my app preferences migrate between the two over the cloud Feb 03 03:15:53 yeah, that's awesome :) Feb 03 03:17:50 black and yellow ... black and yellow ... black and yellow Feb 03 03:18:58 bbiab... need to meet my sis. Feb 03 03:50:53 hello friends! Feb 03 03:58:37 'evening #webos Feb 03 03:59:05 hi dirker Feb 03 03:59:17 errt, sorry, dkirker Feb 03 03:59:28 hi dpivs! Feb 03 04:03:46 the dac in the pre minus is nice Feb 03 04:04:13 I'm hype to see what the next device sounds like when audio quality is an advertised feature Feb 03 04:11:15 i too am quite hyped Feb 03 04:21:54 also new video wat Feb 03 04:22:21 slightly scared Feb 03 04:22:24 looks plastic Feb 03 04:26:04 i like the feel of metal in the hand, that's for sure .. and for some reason rubberized plastic with metal feels good to me .. like handles of pots and pans i have - weird Feb 03 04:27:25 looks like soft touch rubber Feb 03 04:27:33 in which case: yeeeehaw Feb 03 04:31:51 yeah, soft touch rubber .. that has a good feel to it Feb 03 04:34:58 mmmm Feb 03 04:35:00 rubber Feb 03 04:47:14 what if it's magnesium Feb 03 04:47:16 that'd be awesome Feb 03 04:47:23 just Feb 03 04:47:36 christ get a 3.5+ inch slate on sprint please Feb 03 04:48:01 and make it never break ever Feb 03 04:48:03 ;-; Feb 03 04:48:35 and maybe not take 20 seconds to start the camera when there are strange, non-camera shy birds in the distance Feb 03 04:49:02 so I don't look like an idiot standing there fiddling with my phone in the middle of the sidewalk Feb 03 04:50:45 or try to take a picture and it sits there and my friend just tells me to take a picture with her kin instead Feb 03 04:52:17 you know someone with a kin? Feb 03 04:52:32 yeah a kin ONEm Feb 03 04:52:43 lol Feb 03 04:52:47 they actually aren't bad Feb 03 04:53:17 I was trying to recommend her a featurephone on verizon but they were all bollocks and she eventually went with the kin Feb 03 04:53:22 and well Feb 03 04:53:40 the music player is better than the pre's Feb 03 04:53:45 and she compared the two Feb 03 04:53:56 "your phone feels like its about to break" Feb 03 04:54:00 "also I don't like the keyboard" Feb 03 04:54:41 also what now the camera starts in like 2 seconds Feb 03 04:54:44 consistency!! Feb 03 04:55:32 and now it's taking like 10 seconds Feb 03 04:55:57 straight up just didn't do anything Feb 03 04:56:04 starts in like a second on my pre2 Feb 03 04:56:16 now the camera app just doesn't open Feb 03 04:56:24 lol Feb 03 04:56:28 there we go, 8 seconds Feb 03 04:56:31 * torchie ajfoiwejoawigh Feb 03 04:56:52 is the pre2 pretty much a pre but fixed Feb 03 04:58:03 essentially yeah Feb 03 04:59:27 how are the uptime Feb 03 04:59:28 s Feb 03 05:03:06 SAY WHAT Feb 03 05:03:09 tiny card view is gone Feb 03 05:03:10 wat Feb 03 05:03:27 tiny card view is gone Feb 03 05:03:51 so is 99% of launcher patching Feb 03 05:04:17 why would they get rid of tiny card view Feb 03 05:04:17 :( Feb 03 05:04:22 yeah, but most of it got replicated in real features Feb 03 05:04:34 I just hope a hide quick launch bar patch comes out Feb 03 05:06:19 the pre2 boots in about 60 seconds .. i hope they worked on it a bit more so it powers on from cold a bit quicker Feb 03 05:07:12 how's the scrolling Feb 03 05:07:21 in? Feb 03 05:07:26 2.0 on pre2 Feb 03 05:07:52 it's hard to be completely sure of the speed/smoothness in youtube videos Feb 03 05:08:20 smooth like butter Feb 03 05:08:36 the physics/kinetics are a little different from the 1.4.5 build, tho Feb 03 05:08:55 like butter butter? Feb 03 05:09:05 hmm, like bounce etc? Feb 03 05:09:19 yeah, and heft of the toss/scroll Feb 03 05:09:59 bpadalino: to be honest though how often do you cold boot a smartphone Feb 03 05:10:15 SineOt: if the battery doesn't last me, i guess once a day? Feb 03 05:10:15 only when you dont have time to wait for it :) Feb 03 05:10:51 bpadalino: ahh, true Feb 03 05:10:57 uptime improvements would be great but also Feb 03 05:11:04 I can't remember the last time I let my battery die... Creative use of Mode Switcher :] Feb 03 05:11:24 it's a pain when switching from pre to pre Feb 03 05:14:16 does 2.0 start up app services on startup (for things like twitter, facebook etc)? Feb 03 05:15:10 the speaker on pre2 sounds nice in videos Feb 03 05:17:05 i believe so .. i've rebooted my phone and come back to see some facebook alert on it i believe Feb 03 05:17:12 hotttttt Feb 03 05:21:30 omg weather window is awesome Feb 03 05:21:53 http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=selectPhone&phoneId=5129&path=bundles -- touchstone bundle on sale Feb 03 05:24:09 gonna miss tiny cards Feb 03 05:49:39 man, I'm really liking what I'm seeing on PlC Feb 03 05:52:19 what you seeing Feb 03 05:52:26 * torchie gogogo Feb 03 05:52:37 all the vids posted by HPalm Feb 03 05:52:39 lol Feb 03 05:52:55 oh shoot more video Feb 03 05:52:56 whwaaa Feb 03 05:52:59 gogogo check it out lol Feb 03 05:53:19 yea, the new devices look awesome! Feb 03 05:53:20 thought there was only the one from the Teaser site Feb 03 05:53:22 where is everyone seeing this "dock connector" in the teaser vids Feb 03 05:53:23 can't wait! Feb 03 05:53:36 there was another one, SineOt Feb 03 05:53:46 oh god not a slider Feb 03 05:53:48 A;IFJAOW;IEJGAOWIJG Feb 03 05:53:50 I believe there was to Feb 03 05:54:01 well... Two versions of that video, one with the camera lens, one without Feb 03 05:54:02 two* lol Feb 03 05:54:11 torchie: it's a straight slider, not curved, so... Feb 03 05:54:18 which could mean 2 devices Feb 03 05:54:22 moving part is a breaking part Feb 03 05:54:34 it could be a horizontal slider or battery door Feb 03 05:54:49 or a vertical slider Feb 03 05:55:05 torchie: it's a toasting progress indicator, not a dock connector Feb 03 05:55:08 or a combo slider/batt door Feb 03 05:55:13 toasting progress? Feb 03 05:55:32 I was thinking the same thing torchie Feb 03 05:55:34 http://bit.ly/hGMfZd vs http://bit.ly/guNO2h - coincidence? I think not. Feb 03 05:55:41 like a sort of nfc thing? Feb 03 05:55:46 from everything I've heard, it's a straight slider, non-removable battery, and way thin Feb 03 05:56:29 was hoping for a flat candybar with large non-removable Feb 03 05:56:44 I hope it has a removable battery... that is the main way I shut down my Pixi! (as it stops responding alot!) lol Feb 03 05:57:04 lol Feb 03 05:57:09 the slider and thin part I'm fine with :) Feb 03 05:57:37 you really should do the mute toggle shut downs :p Feb 03 05:57:39 thin yes, slider not so much Feb 03 05:57:41 dunno why people think it's a phone - it's obviously a webOS toaster Feb 03 05:57:51 it's a refrigerator man Feb 03 05:58:01 the original Pixi's are really none responsive even with overclockinga Feb 03 05:58:02 you can tell by the cold-holes Feb 03 05:58:12 nd sometimes even the mute toggle don't work Feb 03 05:58:18 its a microwave Feb 03 05:58:37 iphones/pads don't have removable batteries but do just fine when they freeze so this solution'll probably be similar Feb 03 05:59:02 how do you reset an iphone/touch/pad when it freezes? Feb 03 05:59:11 I haven't figured that out... Feb 03 05:59:13 lol Feb 03 05:59:18 hold power Feb 03 05:59:26 same as a mac Feb 03 05:59:30 but what if that don't work Feb 03 05:59:47 cause on my pixi, that don't work half the time Feb 03 05:59:51 then your device is way more busted than just freezing, good job :C Feb 03 06:00:01 lol Feb 03 06:00:09 PatrickC_Pre: are you doing the power-mute wiggle? Feb 03 06:00:39 yes, and most the time it powers it down, and restarts it Feb 03 06:00:58 but after 10 min in the Luna cycle, I pull batt to start again Feb 03 06:01:09 then only 10 more min before its back up Feb 03 06:01:19 oh shit Feb 03 06:01:27 that's what happens most the time :p Feb 03 06:01:32 http://www.palm.com/us/company/events/ Feb 03 06:01:43 one time, I left it booting for 2 hrs and it didn't boot!!! lol Feb 03 06:01:53 got a new phone that day :p Feb 03 06:01:59 yeah uh, then your device is way more busted than just freezing Feb 03 06:02:02 good job? :C Feb 03 06:03:01 I have a new one waiting for me at sprint Feb 03 06:03:27 I don't think the 225+ apps I have on it could have anything to do with it :p Feb 03 06:03:37 plus all the stock apps Feb 03 06:04:06 that is quite a bit of apps Feb 03 06:04:13 yeaaaaah Feb 03 06:04:22 this will be like my 6th or 7th Pixi.. Feb 03 06:04:28 well if this thing just absolutely has to be a slider Feb 03 06:04:31 just HAS to be Feb 03 06:04:34 it better be like Feb 03 06:04:37 venue pro hueg Feb 03 06:04:42 I only use like 20 of them lol Feb 03 06:04:42 and made of diamonds Feb 03 06:04:50 so pixis break often too? Feb 03 06:04:55 I like the slider Feb 03 06:05:07 HP is such a tease Feb 03 06:05:16 well, mine does, I haven't seen anyone with as many problems as I have lol Feb 03 06:05:25 I don't want sliding anything anymore ever Feb 03 06:05:38 yea, they need to give EAP people more info..... lol Feb 03 06:05:53 i agree with torchie .. after having this slider, i don't think i am a huge fan Feb 03 06:05:55 man what in the world do you do to those poor things Feb 03 06:06:10 I like sliding, but I want on-screen keyboard Feb 03 06:06:11 native Feb 03 06:06:11 I've had sliders before, and straight ones almost always work a ton better than what's in the Pre Feb 03 06:06:18 yeah ? Feb 03 06:06:22 the Pre's curved slider is just asking for problems Feb 03 06:06:27 and it's not just the fact that the pre's breaks all the time that I don't like Feb 03 06:06:59 but it was a good idea to start Feb 03 06:07:01 i haven't had the slider break on mine .. some loseness in the pre2 .. Feb 03 06:07:10 it's the OS' dependence on using multiple hands with a physical keyboard that I don't like Feb 03 06:07:11 looseness rather Feb 03 06:07:12 for a small company like palm Feb 03 06:07:16 it's only having a keyboard in one language that I don't like Feb 03 06:07:24 yeah, great IDEA, but in execution it kind of like... Falls flat Feb 03 06:07:28 it's the phone flipping and swerving around if I try to type something on a table that I don't like Feb 03 06:07:38 it's the relative unresponsiveness compared to a software keyboard that I don't like Feb 03 06:07:50 i can live with a software keyboard Feb 03 06:07:55 what I do like Feb 03 06:08:06 and, actually, i kinda like the virtual keyboard on the pre2 Feb 03 06:08:10 is being able to type without looking while I skate around campus Feb 03 06:08:13 which is frankly Feb 03 06:08:14 not worth it Feb 03 06:08:15 I like the software keyboard, cause I wear gloves a lot in the winter Feb 03 06:08:46 so the touch-keyboard wouldn't work for me then lol Feb 03 06:08:53 i find myself typing something, then closing, then typing something, then closing .. so it's a back and forth for me Feb 03 06:09:12 yea, same here Feb 03 06:09:15 use a frozen sausage like those asians did with the iphone Feb 03 06:09:27 wow.... lol Feb 03 06:09:27 lol Feb 03 06:09:39 http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/12/frozen-sausage-as-iphone-stylus/ Feb 03 06:09:48 or you can get those dots gloves Feb 03 06:09:51 oh yeah that's another thing, the constant sliding back and forth Feb 03 06:09:51 I just use finger-less gloves Feb 03 06:10:19 I just live someplace where you don't need gloves 8T Feb 03 06:10:23 boooooooyaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Feb 03 06:10:27 boom. Feb 03 06:10:46 work keeps me where it's cold and i get all 4 seasons Feb 03 06:11:17 I'm just happy I'm not in Chicago right now Feb 03 06:11:27 they got TONS of snow! Feb 03 06:11:30 come to florida, where it's summer year-round and the road just outside of this campus is 12 lanes wide Feb 03 06:11:44 man I am so moving to miami after I graduate Feb 03 06:12:04 I used to live in FL for 14 years Feb 03 06:12:38 wow, the dots gloves are only $20, I thought they were like $80 Feb 03 06:13:22 what campus? Feb 03 06:13:40 univ of central florida, orlando Feb 03 06:13:51 orlando. disney :) Feb 03 06:13:54 universal Feb 03 06:14:02 disney and universal are pretty far from here lol Feb 03 06:14:20 lol, well same part of the state :) Feb 03 06:14:22 I guess not as far as they are from fort lauderdale though Feb 03 06:14:23 lol Feb 03 06:14:39 or jacksonville Feb 03 06:14:40 though lately we've been trying to find things to do that don't involve citywalk and downtown disney Feb 03 06:14:57 daytona Feb 03 06:15:03 SineOt: :P so do I... but it's still cold ass hell Feb 03 06:15:03 daytona v. cocoa Feb 03 06:15:15 as* Feb 03 06:15:29 daytona spedway Feb 03 06:15:37 you know what I do like about vertical slider Feb 03 06:15:41 feelin cool as fuck when I take out my phone Feb 03 06:15:47 lol Feb 03 06:15:58 and not having to press a button at the top to turn it on Feb 03 06:16:05 yep Feb 03 06:16:15 boom, action time. Feb 03 06:16:20 though that could be fixed if the new devices had a face button that unlocked regardless of position :d Feb 03 06:16:23 BOOM ACTION TIME Feb 03 06:16:29 I have it installed alrady in hope of the day Feb 03 06:16:33 and having the BEST multi-taking interface known to man! Feb 03 06:16:37 action time? Feb 03 06:16:47 the best anything interface known to man Feb 03 06:16:56 lol Feb 03 06:16:59 friend with a droid's like Feb 03 06:17:03 STOP MULTITASKING SO HARD Feb 03 06:17:15 tell him to get a pre Feb 03 06:17:31 he's got his head really far up android's butt Feb 03 06:17:33 do you break out in hammer time and tell him... can't touch this? Feb 03 06:17:42 while you flick cards around Feb 03 06:17:48 moto droid with custom roms overclocking etc Feb 03 06:17:50 mugen lol Feb 03 06:17:58 :D Feb 03 06:18:20 haven't they made a droid boot webos? Feb 03 06:18:31 and it's hard for me to recommend the pre to anyone ever when it broke 4 times on me and doesn't have features features feature creep Feb 03 06:18:35 i was doing a job for a fresh'n'easy today, and the manager was trying to tell me that he had a friend that was working on an iphone 7 in singapore? Feb 03 06:18:43 i almost lol'ed in his face Feb 03 06:19:16 torchie, first gen droid? Feb 03 06:19:19 yeah Feb 03 06:19:23 megh Feb 03 06:19:25 meh Feb 03 06:19:32 iphone 7? they can't get the 5 out yet! let alone the 7! lol Feb 03 06:19:35 dunno, back when I first saw the droid I was liek OMG NO COMPROMISE Feb 03 06:19:38 lol Feb 03 06:19:52 2gen is so much better Feb 03 06:19:56 wow an android phone with a big screen, a hardware keyboard, and a HEADPHONE JACK WHAT Feb 03 06:19:56 yup Feb 03 06:19:59 SO MUCH better Feb 03 06:20:01 night and day Feb 03 06:20:03 is it really Feb 03 06:20:11 I'd kind of rather the X than the 2 Feb 03 06:20:13 if i were going to get a droid, it would definately be a d2 Feb 03 06:20:18 I kinds like the Evo Feb 03 06:20:26 eh the evo is kind of like Feb 03 06:20:29 snapdragon Feb 03 06:20:31 evo is a sprint device tho :X Feb 03 06:20:32 65k screen Feb 03 06:20:37 the Evo is way, way too big Feb 03 06:20:42 I like sprint Feb 03 06:20:43 that's what she said Feb 03 06:20:56 what about the Evo Shift? Feb 03 06:20:58 I can deal with any size since the smartphone is the only device I carry now Feb 03 06:21:00 * mugen[dsktp] names his junk the EVO Feb 03 06:21:19 ...wait. Feb 03 06:21:28 the Evo Shift has a hardware kb Feb 03 06:21:30 what Feb 03 06:21:37 nothing Feb 03 06:21:40 lol Feb 03 06:21:45 my junk is so HUGE it needs a kickstand but dies after a few hours Feb 03 06:21:51 i haven't actually played with an EVO yet Feb 03 06:21:55 apparently droid x and dell streak battery life are paradoxically amazing Feb 03 06:21:55 4.3 inches :V Feb 03 06:22:05 not the Shift Feb 03 06:22:07 my friend switched from a pre to evo so I got some time with it Feb 03 06:22:13 but when i ask people if that's an EVO they get all sorts of excited... Feb 03 06:22:23 "dude it's soooooooo badass..." Feb 03 06:22:25 I've played with the EVO in store... 4G is stupid fast, but the device is just like, comically large Feb 03 06:22:34 yea Feb 03 06:22:39 eh I don't see it as that much of a problem Feb 03 06:22:45 would rather a thin 3.7 inch though Feb 03 06:22:48 except wimax isn't available in phx.. Feb 03 06:22:54 or AZ for that matter... Feb 03 06:23:03 or anywhere important in the US Feb 03 06:23:06 It's available here! :9 Feb 03 06:23:14 its in nashvile Feb 03 06:23:22 ANYWHERE that matters guys :P Feb 03 06:23:23 cmon! Feb 03 06:23:27 * mugen[dsktp] ducks Feb 03 06:23:44 its in jacksonvile and ft myers (I think) Feb 03 06:23:45 I see it as a problem because while it'd be nice to have a sort of "one device to rule them all" that does everything, for me the point of having a smartphone is so that I can have one device that can go everywhere with me Feb 03 06:23:58 yeah Feb 03 06:24:00 if that means I miss out on screen size, or something, then oh well Feb 03 06:24:10 yea Feb 03 06:24:17 i really have my heart set on a vze iphone Feb 03 06:24:19 vzw... Feb 03 06:24:26 i feel dirty :( Feb 03 06:24:26 vzw iphone looks like Feb 03 06:24:27 alright Feb 03 06:24:30 what.... not the Pre2? Feb 03 06:24:33 DUDE Feb 03 06:24:38 ugh... don't even talk to me Feb 03 06:24:43 i've been WAITING Feb 03 06:24:54 CC in hand ready to go Feb 03 06:24:55 well.. wait till the 9th Feb 03 06:24:56 man don't go iPhone 4 this late in the product cycle Feb 03 06:25:01 i know i know Feb 03 06:25:05 yeah I've got my card with 600bux ready to buy Feb 03 06:25:06 anything Feb 03 06:25:07 palm Feb 03 06:25:08 makes Feb 03 06:25:13 yup Feb 03 06:25:16 god i hope Feb 03 06:25:17 the new one will be out by the summer probably Feb 03 06:25:18 lol Feb 03 06:25:27 the $75 (soon to be $150 in march) upgrade credit helps too Feb 03 06:25:33 they come out with 1 a year Feb 03 06:25:47 there's a total of like what, 4 months? between now and the next iPhone 4G/iPhone5 Feb 03 06:25:53 only problem is coming out before the iphone is sort of setting up to be overshadowed by the iphone Feb 03 06:25:54 * mugen[dsktp] crosses anything on his body that will cross Feb 03 06:26:03 man my mom's centro is on its third year Feb 03 06:26:07 every June they do an iPhone event Feb 03 06:26:10 like clockwork Feb 03 06:26:10 SineOt: but not on my network :( Feb 03 06:26:22 oh, and Evo Shift http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_Shift_4G?wasRedirected=true Feb 03 06:26:29 ooooo Feb 03 06:26:30 I'd say it's a safe bet that -every- network will get the next iPhone Feb 03 06:26:32 wasRedirected Feb 03 06:26:33 its a 3.6 in touchscren Feb 03 06:26:35 you badass! Feb 03 06:26:40 yep Feb 03 06:26:53 yeah I have the feeling iphone's gonna have circuitry for every network soon Feb 03 06:26:55 in one device Feb 03 06:26:58 ...maybe. Feb 03 06:27:01 google rulz! lol Feb 03 06:27:19 Quallcom is working on radios that will do that, but even then... You'd probably still need different antennas Feb 03 06:27:25 oh man... onForce.com has saved my unemployed arse Feb 03 06:27:29 well, once its on vzw, its only a matter of time before someone cracks it onto sprint Feb 03 06:27:37 that'd be awesome and, if apple stops being a dick, would warrant the purchase of an iphone 5 Feb 03 06:27:48 apple's not a dick :( Feb 03 06:27:52 i love their gear Feb 03 06:27:56 apple makes amazing gear Feb 03 06:27:56 eh, not really. Sprint won't activate stuff that doesn't have their name on it Feb 03 06:27:59 but they're also kind of dicks Feb 03 06:28:02 I just want to be able to install OS X in windows Feb 03 06:28:18 patrick why "in windows"? Feb 03 06:28:18 without violating the EULA Feb 03 06:28:21 google's not a dick but in most cases, screw android Feb 03 06:28:21 * mugen[dsktp] sighs Feb 03 06:28:34 then how is there a Pre2 on sprint Feb 03 06:28:35 palm is the combination of (almost) great stuff and not being a dick Feb 03 06:28:44 which warrants being kicked out of the market apparently Feb 03 06:28:48 cause I don't have the $1000 for a mac Feb 03 06:28:48 yep Feb 03 06:28:59 but I could get a boot disk Feb 03 06:29:07 * mugen[dsktp] coughs **hackintosh** COUGHS Feb 03 06:29:08 PatrickC_Pre: because people took the Sprint activated comms board out of a Sprint Pre and stuffed it in a Pre2 Feb 03 06:29:20 ok Feb 03 06:29:22 the radio is coming out of a Sprint branded/activated device Feb 03 06:29:23 hackintosh is a waste Feb 03 06:29:33 but hackintosh violates the Eula Feb 03 06:29:36 I dunno, my Wind U100 is pretty awesome now :p Feb 03 06:29:40 uh huh Feb 03 06:29:49 my vostro is pretty badass too Feb 03 06:29:57 Sleeps instantly... Faster than Linux or Windows 7 ever did which is kind of sad :I Feb 03 06:29:58 osx software is built to osx hardware, if you're gonna shove it on something it wasn't designed for you might as well hit up windows or linux Feb 03 06:30:04 let me guess.. hackintosh? Feb 03 06:30:25 i don't really consider mine a true "hackintosh" Feb 03 06:30:29 i installed from bought media Feb 03 06:30:40 i can do anything a regular mac user can do Feb 03 06:30:41 but you can't code for ios on windows or linus Feb 03 06:30:52 but you violated the EULA Feb 03 06:30:59 heh Feb 03 06:31:02 maybe? Feb 03 06:31:04 :P Feb 03 06:31:10 do you break the speed limit? Feb 03 06:31:15 even 1mph over? Feb 03 06:31:21 nope, I don't drive :) Feb 03 06:31:25 sure, and I'm man enough to admit it. Feb 03 06:31:35 lol Feb 03 06:31:39 have you read the EULA? Feb 03 06:31:42 yes, i broke the EULA... Feb 03 06:31:44 yea Feb 03 06:31:47 BUT Feb 03 06:31:56 apple has received more of my money because i did Feb 03 06:32:04 i am a revenue stream to them Feb 03 06:32:07 ah, but they lost on the hardware sale Feb 03 06:32:13 and they lost on the ecosystem lock-in Feb 03 06:32:16 I'm doing the app for a church, so I don't want there to be any chance of getting in trouble with the law Feb 03 06:32:25 and they lost on the free hardware advertising Feb 03 06:32:47 so it's better to have nothing than something? Feb 03 06:32:48 so they're probably down because of the hackintosh in the larger scheme of things. Feb 03 06:32:59 i could understand the piracy aspect Feb 03 06:33:09 this rolls down into the "is a sale that would never have been made a lost sale" debate :p Feb 03 06:33:17 but i'm going to buy apple products... and when i can afford it, they'll see my money for hardware too Feb 03 06:33:29 SineOt: exactly Feb 03 06:33:52 * SineOt types that sitting here on his Mac Mini :p Feb 03 06:34:10 i don't see why i should be punished because i could afford the software and had the smarts to figure out how to get it installed on my system Feb 03 06:34:41 anyways... Feb 03 06:34:41 it's not your decision to make. you didn't write the software, so you don't get to decide the EULA. Feb 03 06:34:53 lol Feb 03 06:35:02 haha Feb 03 06:35:08 there's no god-given right of humanity to run apple software Feb 03 06:35:22 it's not an amendment to the constitution like the guns thing. Feb 03 06:35:37 yeah... but i wasn't provided a EULA when i bought the software Feb 03 06:35:43 and they wouldn't take a return Feb 03 06:36:02 where'd you buy it? Feb 03 06:36:10 apple store in scottsdale Feb 03 06:36:23 and they don't take returns.. wow Feb 03 06:36:36 opened software... nope Feb 03 06:36:46 I like apple, but microsoft is so much more.... nice lol Feb 03 06:36:56 hehe Feb 03 06:37:01 oh, opened. yea no-one takes open stuff back Feb 03 06:37:49 and click through EULAs are still iffy depending on the court you're in on if they're actually enforceable or not :p Feb 03 06:38:46 it just boils down to ethics Feb 03 06:38:56 but, on the off chance that my court will enforce it (which they probably will, cause that's my luck :p) I don't want to get the church in any legal trouble Feb 03 06:39:09 church? Feb 03 06:39:24 mugen[dsktp]: ethics is just a decision about which laws you're going to break and which you are not. Feb 03 06:39:28 I would be making the app in iOS for a church Feb 03 06:39:41 rwhitby: hence my speed limit question Feb 03 06:40:16 mugen[dsktp]: indeed. my personal ethics would probably included running a hackintosh too, but I don't try and state that I'm not breaking a contract in doing so. Feb 03 06:40:19 Here, you can be in a 45 zone, going 50, and get passed by an SUV with only one passenger in it. :p Feb 03 06:40:21 * oil j-walks Feb 03 06:40:33 i never said i wasn't breaking any contracts Feb 03 06:40:38 * mugen[dsktp] scrolls Feb 03 06:40:56 * SineOt parks for 2.5 hours in a 2 hour zone! Feb 03 06:41:03 * halfhalo would most likely be the guy in the suv Feb 03 06:41:18 * PatrickC_Pre needs to go to bed. its almost 1am and has to get up for school later Feb 03 06:41:24 lol halfhalo Feb 03 06:41:27 * SineOt parks in No Student Parking lots even though he's a student! Feb 03 06:41:32 haha halo Feb 03 06:41:32 OMG! Feb 03 06:41:39 * oil calls campus police! Feb 03 06:41:44 hay oil Feb 03 06:41:47 * mugen[dsktp] beats up oil Feb 03 06:41:54 aw Feb 03 06:42:04 awe :( i'm sorry Feb 03 06:42:14 * PatrickC_Pre calls an ambulance for oil Feb 03 06:42:16 * mugen[dsktp] gives oil a rough jab in the arm? Feb 03 06:42:16 Hah, campus police doing anything :C Feb 03 06:42:23 * halfhalo goes 80 over speedbumps Feb 03 06:42:29 lol Feb 03 06:42:30 mugen[dsktp]: not attacking you directly. just commenting generally on people who say that there's nothing wrong with making a hackintosh, instead of saying that they've chosen to break the EULA to run a hackintosh. Feb 03 06:42:33 They're sitting on a massive cash cow just waiting to be milked! Feb 03 06:42:33 that makes I fun Feb 03 06:42:34 you mean they wont stop mugen from beating me up? Feb 03 06:42:49 3-4 cars go through the left turn RIGHT in front of the school on red :B Feb 03 06:43:35 rwhitby: naw, i don't take any offense... and there is a huge community of pirates that do nothing for the case. but if i got in trouble, i would take my lumps and the responsibility for what i've done Feb 03 06:44:02 * oil sends jobs an email Feb 03 06:44:14 * mugen[dsktp] receives a c'n'd Feb 03 06:44:19 oil: jobs runs a hackintosh Feb 03 06:44:23 lol Feb 03 06:44:27 at least you'll take responsibility when jobs emails you back Feb 03 06:44:33 lol rwhitby Feb 03 06:44:42 i'd feel blessed if jobs emailed me Feb 03 06:44:55 even about this? lol Feb 03 06:44:56 even in poor health... he singles me out Feb 03 06:44:58 * oil spoofs an email to mugen Feb 03 06:45:02 lol Feb 03 06:45:07 lol Feb 03 06:45:12 I'd send his email to the spam folder Feb 03 06:45:17 awe Feb 03 06:45:18 you'll know its real from the "- sent from my iPhone" at the end Feb 03 06:45:18 * halfhalo did something shocking Feb 03 06:45:19 poor jobs Feb 03 06:45:34 * PatrickC_Pre wonders what halo did Feb 03 06:45:39 or "- sent from the mother iPhone" Feb 03 06:45:43 * halfhalo paid for vmware workstation for pc Feb 03 06:45:52 lol Feb 03 06:45:55 haha Feb 03 06:45:55 mugen[dsktp]: BTW, I'm typing this on a MBP :) Feb 03 06:45:58 vmware is better then the free virtualbox? Feb 03 06:46:10 rwhitby: i hate you :`( Feb 03 06:46:10 yes Feb 03 06:46:14 I think virtualbox is nice Feb 03 06:46:15 howso? Feb 03 06:46:16 oil: for host-access networking with static IP's yes. Feb 03 06:46:21 ah Feb 03 06:46:23 oil: for everything else, no. Feb 03 06:46:29 an email from Steve Jobs would be easy to fake Feb 03 06:46:32 unity Feb 03 06:46:36 yea Feb 03 06:46:38 "Deal with it. -Steve -Sent from my iPhone" Feb 03 06:46:44 I freaking love unity Feb 03 06:46:51 yep Feb 03 06:46:52 yeah Feb 03 06:46:53 vbox has a mode for free-standing windows Feb 03 06:47:03 go virtualization! :D Feb 03 06:47:20 * rwhitby runs ubuntu and windows on the MBP too Feb 03 06:47:29 XP or 7? Feb 03 06:47:30 and violating EULAs (jk) Feb 03 06:47:33 * rwhitby runs vbox and vmware on it at the same time Feb 03 06:47:34 lol Feb 03 06:47:38 free-standing windows? Feb 03 06:47:39 definatly 7 Feb 03 06:47:49 right rwhitby Feb 03 06:47:50 oil, so you don't have the native UI desktop Feb 03 06:47:54 http://img251.imageshack.us/i/unityj.jpg/ Feb 03 06:48:06 oil, it's just the window from operating system X in your host OS Feb 03 06:48:19 it's called "Seamless Mode" in virtualbo Feb 03 06:48:26 * oil googles Feb 03 06:48:37 yeah, unity is badass Feb 03 06:48:57 mugen[dsktp]: XP actually, since that's all I had a license for :) Feb 03 06:49:06 lol Feb 03 06:49:12 (a legit license, BTW) Feb 03 06:49:15 * halfhalo has many many win7 keys Feb 03 06:49:15 rwhitby: yeah, that's how i roll too... Feb 03 06:49:21 halo, you have enough windows open? Feb 03 06:49:27 halo, astalavista.box.sk? :P Feb 03 06:49:29 technet ftw Feb 03 06:49:47 10 keys of every win7, vista, and xp version Feb 03 06:49:51 yea Feb 03 06:49:53 mugen[dsktp]: 2.8GHz i7, 8GB RAM, 500GB SSD, 15" matte ftw. Feb 03 06:49:57 plus servers too, right? Feb 03 06:50:08 x64 I presume halo? Feb 03 06:50:10 rwhitby: ...yeah, still hating :( Feb 03 06:50:23 i really really REALLY want an i5/i7 MBP :( Feb 03 06:50:36 * PatrickC_Pre thinks how to steal rwhitby's mbp Feb 03 06:50:39 x64 and 32bit are interchangeable in 7/vista Feb 03 06:51:14 how much RAM you got? Feb 03 06:51:15 * mugen[dsktp] runs windows 3.11 on a C2D w/8GB of ram Feb 03 06:51:17 So now I have a 2.8GHz C2d, 8GB, 512GB 5400rpm, 15" gloss to sell. Feb 03 06:51:27 WFW baby! Feb 03 06:51:40 windows 3.11? Feb 03 06:51:45 rwhitby: how much?? Feb 03 06:51:52 PatrickC_Pre: how old are you? Feb 03 06:51:53 * PatrickC_Pre googles Feb 03 06:51:55 mugen[dsktp]: $2K Feb 03 06:51:55 OMG Feb 03 06:51:57 15 lol Feb 03 06:51:58 * mugen[dsktp] feels old Feb 03 06:52:04 god damn Feb 03 06:52:09 * halfhalo needs to find an office 2010 pro plus iso Feb 03 06:52:34 halo, x64 or x86? Feb 03 06:53:20 x64 Feb 03 06:53:35 theoretically there is one on the small desktop, but i havent looked Feb 03 06:53:48 one what? Feb 03 06:53:59 wait... i don't think i have pro plus Feb 03 06:54:14 oh, too bad its a little funky Feb 03 06:54:22 x64 iso Feb 03 06:54:51 halo, you could always grab the trial and upgrade? Feb 03 06:55:00 not sure... never tried Feb 03 06:55:23 eh.. maybe Feb 03 06:55:29 * PatrickC_Pre really needs to go to bed now, but doesn't want to :) Feb 03 06:55:31 I still have my keys, but not the iso's Feb 03 06:55:47 what happened to the disks? Feb 03 06:56:07 technet is download only Feb 03 06:56:24 pay-for or free? lol Feb 03 06:56:54 249 a year Feb 03 06:57:25 ok, so at least its not pirating Feb 03 06:57:30 PatrickC_Pre: how fast was your first internet connection you can remember? Feb 03 06:57:54 2meg? Feb 03 06:57:55 idk Feb 03 06:58:14 we have always had comcast high-speed Feb 03 06:58:28 ever play the original doom? Feb 03 06:58:40 not that I know of Feb 03 06:59:03 oh man that's nutty Feb 03 06:59:35 what? lol Feb 03 07:00:01 man my first internet connection was a crappy 14k modem hooked up to our PowerMac 7100 Feb 03 07:00:14 i remember freaking out cause i had to tweak my 4MB of ram in dos to run it... that's after the 6 hours it took to download the demo @ 4x1.44MB Feb 03 07:00:22 * oil makes dialup sound with his mouth Feb 03 07:00:36 then and only then, my machine was only capable of running at low quality... Feb 03 07:00:41 * mugen[dsktp] kicks his 486SX Feb 03 07:00:55 * SineOt missed that crapfest by a few years, thankfully. P: Feb 03 07:01:02 lol Feb 03 07:01:06 lol Feb 03 07:01:10 tweaking extended and conv memory in MSDOS Feb 03 07:01:28 creaking crazy ass boot disks to squeeze as much memory out of that 4MB as possible Feb 03 07:01:38 lol Feb 03 07:01:53 dear god... someone else chime in here Feb 03 07:02:03 i can't be the only one Feb 03 07:02:31 I'm from the late 20 century, and I really like the 21 century better:) Feb 03 07:02:34 ....someone put me out to the pasture Feb 03 07:03:13 i remember my dad beat my ass because i installed a copy of winNT 3.1 on his work computer Feb 03 07:03:18 and it fudged everything up Feb 03 07:03:30 he was PISSED... and NT back then SUCKED Feb 03 07:03:33 hah Feb 03 07:04:00 i remember paying $80USD/mb ram Feb 03 07:04:34 mugen[dsktp]: Sinclair ZX81 Feb 03 07:04:37 wow Feb 03 07:04:42 yay! Feb 03 07:04:42 * halfhalo has had a computer for as long as he has remembers Feb 03 07:04:51 I just paid 90$ for 8GB ram. Hah. :C Feb 03 07:04:53 i'm NOT alone! Feb 03 07:05:10 mugen[dsktp]: with 16Kb ram pack, and hand-crafted stabiliser Feb 03 07:05:41 * PatrickC_Pre remembers winNT Feb 03 07:05:42 * halfhalo totally has a new mobo coming wiht a craptop of amd cpu's... what should he do with it? Feb 03 07:05:59 i can't remember what the name of the system was... but it ran off cassette tapes Feb 03 07:06:02 I had an old computer when I was like 4 Feb 03 07:06:04 it was my first computer Feb 03 07:06:11 that's awesome! Feb 03 07:06:19 you had to play the cassette tape for like 5 minutes for the game to load Feb 03 07:06:24 anyone here ever code punchcards? Feb 03 07:06:38 mugen[dsktp]: Commodore? Feb 03 07:06:40 games-on-casette Feb 03 07:06:43 get your old crappy computers out of my #webos Feb 03 07:06:50 sounds like fun lol Feb 03 07:06:52 mugen[dsktp]: yeah, zx81 was cassette, and the screen flashed as the game loaded cause the screen RAM did double duty and the tape load area Feb 03 07:07:04 s/and the/as the/ Feb 03 07:07:17 lol Feb 03 07:07:27 yeah, i don't think it was a sinclair tho Feb 03 07:07:29 * mugen[dsktp] googles Feb 03 07:07:41 (the one i had at least) Feb 03 07:07:46 in those days you could pirate games literally over-the-air with a microphone and another cassette player Feb 03 07:07:54 lol, yup Feb 03 07:07:59 oh god Feb 03 07:08:09 PatrickC_Pre: you've never used a casette tape, huh? :P Feb 03 07:08:24 * PatrickC_Pre needs to find a better battery for his pre to use with touchstone Feb 03 07:08:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroBee was my second computer Feb 03 07:08:33 I still use cassettes Feb 03 07:08:37 sometimes lol Feb 03 07:08:59 fiew Feb 03 07:09:19 All 66mhz of power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_7100 Feb 03 07:09:31 I still use cassettes all the time... Since my truck doesn't have a CD player Feb 03 07:09:40 my oldest computer memory is playing this submarine math learning game with my sister Feb 03 07:10:19 SineOt: i was in love with the power macs back in the day Feb 03 07:10:30 my oldest memory is playing SlyFox (and something before that, just forgot the name) Feb 03 07:10:37 They were cool, but man... Crap boxes. Feb 03 07:10:38 they were all over schools and i was jealous cause we had a crappy 80386 Feb 03 07:11:13 * PatrickC_Pre is going to bed, night Feb 03 07:11:15 oh man... old school games... Doom, Heretic, In Pursuit of Greed Feb 03 07:11:21 later patrick :) Feb 03 07:11:27 We had it decked out with 128mb of RAM, and a 1024x768 montior. Was cool, but after a year or two, you just kind of got fed up with it Feb 03 07:11:30 or at least I did :p Feb 03 07:11:51 yeah, but that's also back when macs didn't have any games really Feb 03 07:12:00 just oTrail and a buncha educational games Feb 03 07:12:08 !!! Feb 03 07:12:10 MARATHON Feb 03 07:12:21 MARATHON! Feb 03 07:12:26 omg yes Feb 03 07:12:57 and that falcon game... or some sort of neat 3d flight simulator Feb 03 07:13:06 F/A 18 Falcon? Feb 03 07:13:16 i'm pretty sure that was it Feb 03 07:13:28 I used to play the level where you got permission to drop nuclear weapons over and over. :p Feb 03 07:13:34 YES!! Feb 03 07:13:36 XD Feb 03 07:13:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Neptune_(video_game) Feb 03 07:13:43 oh shit, thats it Feb 03 07:13:47 And then I'd drop them on your home base, or the city over there, or just kind of wherever. Feb 03 07:14:09 lol oil Feb 03 07:15:11 awe... what happened to my youth :( Feb 03 07:15:13 i want it back Feb 03 07:15:20 youth sucked Feb 03 07:15:31 no way Feb 03 07:15:38 can't go where you want or do what you want Feb 03 07:15:41 bedtime? Feb 03 07:15:42 wow Feb 03 07:15:44 no thanks Feb 03 07:15:45 lol Feb 03 07:15:47 oil: if you think youth sucked, wait till you get past 40 :) Feb 03 07:15:58 LOL Feb 03 07:16:02 ill be all "get off mah lawn!" Feb 03 07:16:09 oil, and i don't mean like 10-12 or something dude Feb 03 07:16:15 i mean 16-18 Feb 03 07:16:30 LOL Feb 03 07:16:30 oil: "make your twitter client do unified timeline" Feb 03 07:16:52 you mean your client, "twittah"? Feb 03 07:17:13 * mugen[dsktp] throws a gang sign Feb 03 07:17:17 oil: I had an idea for another -ah app today Feb 03 07:17:23 i dont want to hear it Feb 03 07:17:23 lol Feb 03 07:17:29 twittur Feb 03 07:17:30 gotta get away from the -ah's Feb 03 07:17:30 lol Feb 03 07:17:38 I remember the name, but I forget now what the app does Feb 03 07:17:43 haha Feb 03 07:17:45 lol Feb 03 07:17:53 IRCah Feb 03 07:17:54 so its like impostah, where it does EVERYTHING? Feb 03 07:17:54 oil: now I'm going to port grindr to webOS and call it ButtFuckah Feb 03 07:17:55 greatest... app.... EVAR! Feb 03 07:17:56 the name is the important part though Feb 03 07:18:14 agreed Feb 03 07:18:26 you got a name... you got money in the bank as far as i'm concerned Feb 03 07:18:32 ah, that's it. an app that shows signal strength for all the wifi ap's nearby. Seekah Feb 03 07:18:40 lol Feb 03 07:19:18 * halfhalo would actually use that Feb 03 07:19:18 doesnt the built-in app do that? Feb 03 07:19:27 i want a social network called Deez... so i can say "hey dude, look me up on deez..." and they'll be all "deez, what?" Feb 03 07:19:27 (by way of little lines in the icon) Feb 03 07:19:47 yeah, but this would would have awesome Govnah graphs Feb 03 07:20:03 my ssid is "Let your dog inside it barks outside all night long" Feb 03 07:20:10 LOL Feb 03 07:20:31 I should jot down a lot of the SSIDs I see Feb 03 07:20:37 there's some pretty insane ones Feb 03 07:20:40 or "Free Wifi" Feb 03 07:20:41 really? Feb 03 07:20:48 put locked down Feb 03 07:20:53 but* Feb 03 07:20:53 oil, freeWiFi then redirect http Feb 03 07:21:14 redirect to a cam on their house Feb 03 07:21:26 so they get all creeped out and paranoid Feb 03 07:21:29 nah, Free Wifi, then feed it through a paywall + squid proxy that turns all the images backwards and mirrors text on the page Feb 03 07:21:37 lol Feb 03 07:21:45 oil: dude said yes Feb 03 07:21:50 dude? Feb 03 07:21:54 yes Feb 03 07:21:55 crosstalk dude Feb 03 07:21:56 dude Feb 03 07:21:58 oh Feb 03 07:22:04 check your inbox Feb 03 07:22:08 the dude obliges Feb 03 07:22:31 * rwhitby now has something to reverse engineer on the bus home Feb 03 07:22:49 oh god for a second there I had Big Lebowski/There Will Be Blood crossovers going on in my mind Feb 03 07:22:54 what a trip that movie would be Feb 03 07:22:55 though, being a 3rd party solution Feb 03 07:22:59 lol Feb 03 07:23:07 means, not everyone with a pre will be able to do it Feb 03 07:24:25 or, will have it, and be setup Feb 03 07:25:24 hopefully he isn't planning to charge for it Feb 03 07:25:31 or that population will be even smaller Feb 03 07:27:04 * rwhitby bbiab (bus) Feb 03 07:33:31 bus, eh? Feb 03 07:33:39 we dont have those areound here... Feb 03 07:35:47 really? Feb 03 07:39:12 * halfhalo lives near LA Feb 03 07:53:12 oil: it's a hybrid Feb 03 07:53:31 yeah Feb 03 07:54:43 well, it has to be :) Feb 03 07:54:50 unless it was using a server Feb 03 08:06:50 oil: it uses TFTP for file transfer Feb 03 08:07:19 looks pretty well coded **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 03 08:26:13 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 03 08:30:17 2011 Feb 03 09:25:15 Adora: your early? Feb 03 09:25:30 or late Feb 03 11:14:30 hey everyone Feb 03 11:14:41 i got a palm pre 2 Feb 03 11:15:18 for myself and i am facing an issue that it is nt showing the name of the contacts that are saved on my SIM Feb 03 11:15:41 So can anyone help me out with this prob Feb 03 11:28:11 yatharth; try Palm support chat Feb 03 11:32:38 hotdp which is the channel for that? Feb 03 11:32:53 no channel Feb 03 11:33:09 where are you from ? Feb 03 11:33:27 india Feb 03 11:33:35 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/pre2/unlocked/solutions/article/43473_en.html Feb 03 11:34:06 also i m trying to package the sample PDK application Feb 03 11:34:39 but it is showing some parse error Feb 03 12:20:54 I have a RadioButton with 5 choices which wraps onto 2 lines in an ugly way. I'd rather have it make each button narrower. I can't find a way to do that in Ares, and I can't figure out what kind of CSS I would need to do it. Ideas? Feb 03 12:35:56 i am tryng to package the sample application for PDK but i am getting PARSE ERROR Feb 03 12:36:12 So can anyone please help me out with dis? Feb 03 12:47:58 yatharth: no reason to repeat Feb 03 13:22:14 Two vbox panels side by side. Within each panel the first element is a Header. Looks as I expect in Ares but in the emulator the right panel's Header extends across the entire width of the screen (going outside of its own panel). Is this some special feature of Header? What I want is a header for each column. Feb 03 15:31:45 * haeffb likes the idea of new webOS devices on Sprint http://www.precentral.net/new-palm-devices-headed-sprint Feb 03 15:32:00 * haeffb still stuck at home today Feb 03 15:34:32 still not out of your driveway? Feb 03 15:36:16 flamethrower sovles all problems Feb 03 15:37:59 interesting... 4g just set off my radar detector on the x band Feb 03 15:38:07 nope, waiting for a tractor to get here... Feb 03 15:38:30 I spent yesterday shoveling about 1/10th of it. My back hurts! :) Feb 03 15:38:53 flamethrower is broken, waiting for spare parts Feb 03 15:39:12 ouch... those get pricey Feb 03 15:39:44 no worries, my Palm app payments will cover it. Feb 03 15:39:56 unless by pricey, you mean more than $27. Feb 03 15:40:34 28 Feb 03 15:40:45 drat. Feb 03 15:41:08 * halfhalo likes this vm strategy Feb 03 15:41:32 explain how vm will help me get out of the driveway...? Feb 03 15:41:51 you virtualize a helicoptor Feb 03 15:42:14 i like the flamethrower idea halo Feb 03 15:42:24 very macho Feb 03 15:42:43 ...like, hey bitches... watch me destroy the snow and your lawns Feb 03 15:42:45 * halfhalo is happy with his new vmware setup on windows Feb 03 15:44:26 until you realize that the flamethrower really isnt usefull against the snow.... because it requires to much fuel... which pushes it out of haeffb budget Feb 03 15:45:06 no, I have two 1000 gallon tanks of flamethrower fuel. Just nee a replacement nozzle. Feb 03 15:45:14 colman camp fuel! (it doubles as jet fuel if needed) Feb 03 15:47:42 flame throwers are not effective against snow Feb 03 15:49:32 unless you get the flames under the snow it just burns on top of it, melting very slowly. a torch is more effective Feb 03 15:50:30 case and point... very macho. big flame, lotsa noise but in the end doesn't really do anything Feb 03 15:53:41 wahahahahaha http://img204.imageshack.us/i/linuxc.jpg/ Feb 03 15:53:42 now, if you head on down to your nearest tractor supply, you can get a diesel powered snow melting machine, which you can use your tractor to fill full of snow Feb 03 15:53:47 in 1979 (or maybe '78) the area I live in hit a local record for snow fall... it was over 30 feet. We know how to deal with snow ;) Feb 03 15:54:50 * halfhalo lives in socal. no snow here! Feb 03 15:57:28 * CTLAdvance hopes that palm launches a device with a 4.3 Feb 03 15:57:57 * CTLAdvance thinks that that is crap, it should come with a 5 inch screen Feb 03 18:17:08 gah freaking auhiuadfgibuhasdkjbadsfg Feb 03 18:17:11 this is bull Feb 03 18:32:15 lol motorola is selling their foleo for 500 cash Feb 03 18:32:52 the atrix stuff? Feb 03 18:41:58 yes Feb 03 18:42:06 its damn cool Feb 03 18:42:13 * halfhalo played with it at ces Feb 03 18:42:40 to bad it runs android Feb 03 18:43:50 not when docked Feb 03 18:44:01 its running some embedded linux setup Feb 03 18:44:18 yes I saw that Feb 03 18:44:27 very interesting Feb 03 18:44:37 yup Feb 03 18:53:12 Wow, of all the companies to finally take some kind of logical stance on mobile bandwidth usage... It's Verizon. :I Feb 03 18:53:19 mugen[dsktp]! Feb 03 18:56:11 ugh.. I was hoping there'd be people chatting it up in here to cure my boredom :( Feb 03 18:56:12 oh hey mugen|palm :] Feb 03 18:56:25 yay! Feb 03 18:56:30 sup? :D Feb 03 18:56:55 I'm sitting in a car on a job site waiting for fedex to deliver a package Feb 03 18:57:11 * mugen|palm grumbles Feb 03 18:57:12 haha, that sounds terrible. You've at least got a radio, yeah? Feb 03 18:57:23 uhh Feb 03 18:57:30 no :( Feb 03 18:57:45 and I've not put sny music on my palm Feb 03 18:57:56 * mugen|palm fails hard Feb 03 18:58:14 it's a car without a radio? :C Feb 03 18:58:44 yes... I car pooled with my brother in law Feb 03 18:58:53 it was stolen a month back Feb 03 18:59:23 boo Feb 03 18:59:32 was it a nice radio or something? Feb 03 19:00:14 * SineOt has the crap box stock Delco radio in his truck... Cassette and AM/FM, that's it! XD Feb 03 19:00:21 it was decent... had all amped mids. amp wasyoinked too Feb 03 19:00:33 hehe Feb 03 19:00:40 Doesn't even have noise reduction options for the cassette Feb 03 19:01:14 I found music :D Feb 03 19:01:30 yay! Feb 03 19:01:36 Slacker Radio > Pandora by the way :p Feb 03 19:01:40 I had the tron legacy soundtrack on here I remembered Feb 03 19:02:01 those radio services frusterate me :( Feb 03 19:02:25 heh, why? Feb 03 19:02:30 I always need a specific song that I can't get when I want Feb 03 19:02:35 hehe Feb 03 19:02:41 yeah that always bugged me with Pandora Feb 03 19:02:55 but at least with Slacker Pro you get a LOT of control over what plays on your custom stations Feb 03 19:03:38 you weren't following me??? Feb 03 19:03:46 * mugen|palm gasps Feb 03 19:04:08 I was! Then I moved all the "Palm Peeps" to the rudderSQUISH account! Feb 03 19:04:20 You've transcended the "Palm Peeps" moniker so hush :p Feb 03 19:04:36 woo! :D Feb 03 19:05:38 so what else is going on? Feb 03 19:05:56 you doing anything fun? Feb 03 19:06:01 Not much, killing some time in Starbucks between classes... Enjoying my hackintosh :p Feb 03 19:06:36 you got wifi working?? Feb 03 19:06:48 Yup! Not the best solution, but it works. Feb 03 19:07:12 Realtek actually built an OSX app because so many people were building hackintoshes with their wifi cards and asking about support, haha Feb 03 19:07:20 is it that kinda hacked up solution you told me about before? Feb 03 19:07:29 I'd still like to replace it though, so that it's native AirPort supported Feb 03 19:07:40 yeah kind of but it's not that bad now that I spent the time to figure out how it works Feb 03 19:07:40 that's awesome :D Feb 03 19:07:51 swet Feb 03 19:07:54 really poorly laid out but it makes sense in some kind of hacky, weird, KIRF logic Feb 03 19:07:55 sweet* Feb 03 19:08:05 lol Feb 03 19:08:52 omfg fedex... you have no excuse for this. it's not snowing in either irvine or phoenix... so you can't blame the weather Feb 03 19:10:27 haha... Feb 03 19:10:41 Yeah, it's lame. Fedex and UPS always make us like the LAST stop on their route Feb 03 19:10:59 if it's not next day, it's not unusual to get a package at like 6:30PM sometimes Feb 03 19:11:23 priority overnight is the am delivery service tho, right?? Feb 03 19:11:46 jesus... 1830 is late as hell Feb 03 19:12:26 no, am delivery is different from what I know Feb 03 19:12:42 next day stuff tends to get there like 1:30-2:30PM Feb 03 19:13:02 * mugen|palm growls Feb 03 19:13:16 then again, at least they aren't DHL :p Feb 03 19:13:37 hehe Feb 03 19:13:49 I bought a 21" Viewsonic LCD, real nice... And the DHL guy, even though it was supposed to get a signature for it... Signed for it himself and then left it on the curb Feb 03 19:13:56 he didn't even bother bringing it up to the door Feb 03 19:14:09 LOL Feb 03 19:14:18 hey can anyone tell me how can i run a PDK app on plam pre device Feb 03 19:14:51 yatharth your back! Feb 03 19:14:52 compile it and install it? Feb 03 19:14:58 with the same quastion! Feb 03 19:15:03 lol Feb 03 19:15:17 omg Feb 03 19:15:24 mugen|palm its not working Feb 03 19:15:34 mugen|palm: you use Gmail/Google Apps? Feb 03 19:15:43 hotdp yup still the same unanswered questtion Feb 03 19:16:01 yatharth, yeah... I'm not really a pdk guy. sorry :( Feb 03 19:16:04 "its not working" - what isn't, what's it doing? Feb 03 19:16:22 mugen|palm hmmm Feb 03 19:16:39 sine, gmail yeah... haven't used apps in a while. what's up? Feb 03 19:16:53 Sparrow Mail is freaking AWESOME Feb 03 19:16:56 SineOt when i click on it ,nothing is happening Feb 03 19:17:05 is it dumping anything to logs? Feb 03 19:17:35 * mugen|palm looks Feb 03 19:17:55 http://sparrowmailapp.com/ Feb 03 19:19:01 that looks sweet!! I'll have to give it a peep when I get home Feb 03 19:20:03 ello Feb 03 19:20:10 howdy Feb 03 19:20:29 SineOt how can i check logs on the palm pre? Feb 03 19:20:45 with the same plam log command Feb 03 19:20:58 hey guys Feb 03 19:21:05 anybody wana test out my update in the app catalog? Feb 03 19:21:08 com.pascharllc.pickupsports Feb 03 19:21:17 i have facebook connected implmented in there Feb 03 19:23:11 sparrow is pretty cool Feb 03 19:24:39 yeah Feb 03 19:25:04 I might buy it when it hits the App Store... I use Notify right now but Sparrow is a bit nicer over all Feb 03 19:26:34 * mugen[palm] watches birds fly by... Feb 03 19:28:06 That bored, huh? :p Feb 03 19:29:34 ugh you have NO idea Feb 03 19:30:17 I'd go to SB or something but I've already had a million shots of espresso this morn Feb 03 19:31:21 hehehe Feb 03 19:31:34 when my gf worked there she used to take 8 shots of espresso over ice Feb 03 19:34:11 verizon is selling a touchstone, car power supply, and case for 15 overnight shipping Feb 03 19:34:43 link Feb 03 19:35:37 im not posting a link to vzw's wbsite Feb 03 19:36:54 why? Feb 03 19:37:21 lol Feb 03 19:37:45 http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2633365 Feb 03 19:37:47 happy Feb 03 19:38:23 not really :P but thank you! Feb 03 19:56:33 just fyi that car power supply does work with the touchstone ;) Feb 03 20:01:50 how do I change the title on the error dialog? Feb 03 20:18:38 hmm, anybody wana check out my new updated webos app? =D Feb 03 20:19:03 * dkirker 's attention is caught Feb 03 20:19:20 dkirker, Feb 03 20:19:21 dkirker, "Pickup Sports" Feb 03 20:19:39 It is in the app catalog? Feb 03 20:20:38 oo, interesting Feb 03 21:55:07 why do all the best desktop apps have to be for mac :/ Feb 03 21:55:27 well that's probably not true.. just seems like it Feb 03 21:55:41 And anyone have the link for the tablet teaser vid? Feb 03 21:55:54 Tibfib: you could always just put OSX on your PC :) Feb 03 21:56:11 hmm, I kind like windows Feb 03 21:56:13 7 Feb 03 21:56:24 http://www.palm.com/us/company/events/ Feb 03 21:56:39 dohtem: I keep getting the smartphone teaser Feb 03 21:57:07 i think thats all there is Feb 03 21:57:07 cache? Feb 03 21:57:17 Tibfib: the first screen that comes up is the tablet Feb 03 21:57:21 ohhh... http://www.precentral.net/palm-shows-tablet-outline-one-more-tease#comments it's just an outline Feb 03 21:57:24 but it's on the screen for a second only Feb 03 21:57:30 gotcha Feb 03 21:57:31 before you hit play Feb 03 22:00:14 sigh.. beta-testers that download and play with the app and never report back are disappointing. :/ Feb 03 22:00:59 * dohtem reported back :) Feb 03 22:01:34 haha Feb 03 22:07:37 Tibfib: Did you send me a beta? Feb 03 22:07:47 I don't think so Feb 03 22:08:01 Well, that's why you didn 't get any feedback! Feb 03 22:08:09 hah, do you have a pre2? Feb 03 22:09:24 Pshaw, do I have a Pre 2? Feb 03 22:09:25 I have gotten feedback, just not from a few peeps I've sent koto to Feb 03 22:09:27 I have a Pre 2. Feb 03 22:11:09 Tibfib: I thought you were referring to the spaz beta Feb 03 22:11:15 bummer Feb 03 22:11:19 no hah Feb 03 22:14:56 this is pretty nifty - http://www.letscrate.com/ Feb 03 22:16:02 btw, some awesome app testers: @wusaint and @webosdealer Feb 03 22:22:40 Tibfib: is the new Spaz theme in git somewhere so I can build and install it on my device? Feb 03 22:22:52 rwhitby: Howdy Rod Feb 03 22:23:00 rwhitby: on mine, lemme find it Feb 03 22:23:05 g'day Roy-Pre101 Feb 03 22:23:16 rwhitby: https://github.com/Tibfib/spaz-webos/tree/tibfib Feb 03 22:23:25 I need to redoctor my dev day pre 2. Anything I need to know before I run metadoctor on it? Feb 03 22:23:35 rwhitby: that also has 2 finger scroll Feb 03 22:23:53 Tibfib: I have to get my own key? Feb 03 22:24:18 I can post an .ipk somewhere for you guys Feb 03 22:24:28 dohtem: if you install OVER the previous version of spaz it will work Feb 03 22:24:44 since updates don't remove files, the auth file from the normal spaz will still be there Feb 03 22:24:49 ah Feb 03 22:27:44 Roy-Pre101: should be straight forward I guess Feb 03 22:40:43 for date.getDay() 0 will always be sunday, right? Feb 03 22:41:16 I assume so... but it would be lame if it adapted for different locales.. Feb 03 22:51:22 I WON AN IPHONE!!!! 10000000TH VISITOR!!!! Feb 03 22:57:57 ? Feb 03 23:00:50 dohtem: clicked on developer homepage of filecoaster: http://www.precentral.net/filecoaster Feb 03 23:01:22 go check i tout and see if it works =D Feb 03 23:02:16 Tibfib: heh, so fileCoaster really is abandonware now Feb 03 23:02:17 Tibfib: annoying javascript popups galore! Feb 03 23:02:47 rwhitby: I guess soo. just noticed it was mega closed source. lame Feb 03 23:03:14 yes, that was an "interesting" choice by the developer Feb 03 23:03:49 glad homebrew went a different path :) Feb 03 23:04:47 doctor, doctor, gimme the pre2 file already. Feb 03 23:24:18 anyone got a good snipplet for detecting enter on a textbox? also im not using the textbox widget Feb 03 23:26:07 http://webos101.com/TextField#Detecting_Enter_Key should have it Feb 03 23:27:46 yah found it Feb 03 23:28:04 whats the opposite of addEventListener? Feb 03 23:29:52 removeEventListener Feb 03 23:30:47 yes Feb 03 23:36:37 hi Adora! Feb 03 23:37:16 yeah that snipplet aint workn Feb 03 23:43:46 dawm|laptop: well check the parentElement.id Feb 03 23:43:58 yeah thats what was making it not work Feb 03 23:44:04 i just needed event.srcElement.id Feb 03 23:44:25 sweet Feb 03 23:45:59 kinda Feb 03 23:46:08 its not calling my function that i need now Feb 03 23:50:28 well it might be, but its definitely doing my log calls before and after the function call, and its inside a try/catch and its not catching anything.. Feb 03 23:57:06 woo got it Feb 03 23:57:18 apparently needed event.stop() and event.stopPropigation() Feb 03 23:57:28 heh, what were you trying to do dawm|laptop? Feb 03 23:57:44 catch enter on a specific text field Feb 03 23:57:52 so it would "submit" Feb 03 23:57:57 rather than tab Feb 03 23:58:17 yeah, text fields do weird things and need event.stop() and event.stopPropigation() for a lot of things, it's kind of dumb :/ Feb 03 23:58:29 and im not using widgetized textfields Feb 03 23:58:36 all working now Feb 03 23:58:36 ;D Feb 03 23:59:05 now to send off an email to twitter for api keys for this library sample Feb 03 23:59:23 well yeah, but even the widgetized one does some down right retarded stuff Feb 04 00:01:38 hrm Feb 04 00:01:49 how can i name this, they wont let me include the word twitter in the app name Feb 04 00:01:57 it was xTwitter Library for webOS Feb 04 00:02:04 xTwit? Feb 04 00:02:34 Library for the Prevention of webOS Fail Whales? Feb 04 00:06:31 guys, can anybody help out testing my app? Feb 04 00:06:39 It just got updated in the market today Feb 04 00:06:40 sure, what's up? Feb 04 00:06:45 "Pickup Sports" Feb 04 00:06:50 can you guys test if facebook connect works? Feb 04 00:06:58 and just navigate around =| Feb 04 00:07:35 brb Feb 04 00:08:45 went with xTwit Sample for webOS Feb 04 00:10:57 xTwit sounds good Feb 04 00:11:10 rather lacking in fail whales though! Feb 04 00:14:23 nyceane: if you cancel a facebook connect request, it dumps you to a really ugly error screen that just dumps some code Feb 04 00:20:34 there xAuth requested for the sample app Feb 04 00:20:46 time to work on documentation.. oh joy! Feb 04 00:31:11 SineOt =| Feb 04 00:31:18 I'll fix that on next update Feb 04 00:31:23 SineOt, that's just url of the page Feb 04 00:31:41 I just got my new HP Envy 17 from Dell Feb 04 00:31:50 and this beast looks better than my mac book lol Feb 04 00:31:56 too bad i m not a pc user Feb 04 00:32:03 but I can still use this for developmetn Feb 04 00:32:25 wait what, you got an HP from Dell? :p Feb 04 00:34:33 slap linux on it Feb 04 00:34:33 err from Palm Feb 04 00:34:35 =P Feb 04 00:34:36 sorry Feb 04 00:34:41 I have a mac, dont need linux Feb 04 00:34:45 I hate linux =_= Feb 04 00:34:53 other than few hacking software I can't get on PC and windows Feb 04 00:34:59 I prefer not having linux at all Feb 04 00:50:25 who wants to write the docs for this? Feb 04 00:50:47 I'll help, sure! Feb 04 00:53:03 im gonna post this up on github as is then, the sample app works as it should, its well commented, and the code is pretty well understandable Feb 04 00:53:18 er no i gotta wait for twitter to email me back Feb 04 00:58:03 haha Feb 04 00:58:03 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs072.snc3/13966_699565862496_25521734_39398822_2969986_n.jpg Feb 04 01:15:50 * oil makes "oil's pyramid of app making awesomeness" Feb 04 01:16:30 * SineOt makes "Sine's Pyramid of App Awesomeness." It's flat. All it says is "DON'T SUCK" in big red letters. Feb 04 01:16:44 argh… I can't get the Pre 2 to be recognized by the webOS doctor. Feb 04 01:16:50 aw Feb 04 01:16:58 it should work with the drivers in the pre2 doc Feb 04 01:17:01 that it installs Feb 04 01:17:43 The Pre 2 is at the insert sim screen. Feb 04 01:17:52 http://www.youngandreckless.com/post/blog-cool/the_comeback_of_beavis_and_butthead Feb 04 01:17:54 Don't think that should keep it from installing Feb 04 01:18:25 you try the vol-up-plug-in-usb-click-next thing? Feb 04 01:18:41 Trying that one now. Feb 04 01:18:41 Yeah, pretty sure the doctors will only locate it if you've got it in the USB recovery mode Feb 04 01:18:43 haha Feb 04 01:18:45 'And, with the return of "Beavis And Butt-head" on MTV, the question remains if music videos will also be coming back to the network.' Feb 04 01:19:18 That was the trick. Feb 04 01:19:23 * oil cheers Feb 04 01:19:43 MTV playing music videos... Like that'll ever happen. Feb 04 01:20:52 Paladia has taken that over and does it better than MTV ever did, although their HD feed bugs me Feb 04 01:21:02 there's a 1 pixel wide white bar on the left side :B Feb 04 01:21:30 GAH Feb 04 01:21:49 you sure its not your tv? Feb 04 01:21:55 yup Feb 04 01:21:56 hey guys Feb 04 01:21:59 that's the only channel that does it Feb 04 01:22:03 anybody in EAP? Feb 04 01:22:06 * oil bets its user error Feb 04 01:22:19 everyone always breaks the first rule of EAP Feb 04 01:22:37 dont steal the cookies? Feb 04 01:22:59 ok, second rule Feb 04 01:23:07 the first rule of EAP is to drink all the kool aid Feb 04 01:23:09 no double parking? Feb 04 01:25:28 well no wonder people break the rules, nobody knows them Feb 04 01:26:20 * halfhalo is debating swapping his q6600 out for an amd mobo+cpu Feb 04 01:34:13 * oil is debating swapping his halfhalo for a full one Feb 04 01:36:14 oil: Re pyramid of app making awesomeness. The foundation is probably to actually have made an app, right? Feb 04 01:36:23 lol Feb 04 01:36:40 no, the foundation is an awesome idea Feb 04 01:36:48 because without that the prettiest and fastest app is crap Feb 04 01:36:59 not if your an iphone dev! Feb 04 01:44:44 ok, so hp just gave me the hp envy 17 Feb 04 01:44:50 i just installed some microsoft essential stuff Feb 04 01:44:54 and now the computer wouldnt even boto Feb 04 01:44:55 wtf Feb 04 01:44:58 lol Feb 04 01:45:10 halfhalo will help, he is laptop dude Feb 04 01:45:12 what ms stuff? Feb 04 01:45:25 heh, first mistake: installing microsoft stuff Feb 04 01:54:18 sooo why doesn't this work? http://webos.pastebin.com/U7YjSKVG Feb 04 01:56:04 the first thing to do when getting a new laptop is to wipe it and start fresh :p Feb 04 01:56:16 halfhalo: I'm going to assume Microsoft Security Essentials Feb 04 01:57:45 I'm going to guess live essentials Feb 04 01:57:54 security essentials is actually useful Feb 04 02:02:37 SineOt: +1 for wiping Feb 04 02:07:11 gotta get all their preloaded garbage off it Feb 04 02:07:27 yup Feb 04 02:07:52 I even do that with macs to get rid of the Garageband and billion printer drivers :p Feb 04 02:08:17 SineOt: I did that just recently Feb 04 02:09:18 Garageband loops and stuff take up like 12GBs now or something stupid Feb 04 02:10:12 'lo crew Feb 04 02:10:17 one thing I can't figure out though... Is why my 1.6ghz Atom hackintosh boots faster than my 2.16 C2D Mini sometimes. Feb 04 02:11:07 Those two shouldn't even be in the same league Feb 04 02:12:02 storage? Feb 04 02:13:12 500GB 7200rpm versus a 120GB 5400rpm. Feb 04 02:14:56 this is weird... new mouse is to good Feb 04 02:15:07 What mouse? Feb 04 02:15:18 G700 Feb 04 02:15:21 * SineOt uses that weird Microsoft Natural Mouse 6000 :p Feb 04 02:15:46 * halfhalo just replaced an old, worn G7 with no pads Feb 04 02:15:46 th Feb 04 02:15:46 e n Feb 04 02:15:47 e Feb 04 02:15:57 Awesome looking mouse Feb 04 02:15:59 the new one glides to well Feb 04 02:16:23 it's a gaming mouse, you're supposed to be whipping it around on a 38x24" mouse pad! Feb 04 02:16:41 Used to no pads on the mouse.... aka no slidyness Feb 04 02:17:23 * halfhalo is sucking at bad company 2 due to it Feb 04 02:17:52 Get a bigger mouse pad + turn your mouse sensitivity way down, start flinging that thing around like a mad man :I Feb 04 02:18:06 o.O Feb 04 02:18:07 * halfhalo doesnt use a mousepad and the sensitivity is super low.... Feb 04 02:38:35 Tibfib: what doesn't work? Feb 04 02:39:05 http://webos.pastebin.com/U7YjSKVG I set an alarm with an id param. it fires with a different id. but the fired id is the same no matter what Feb 04 02:40:42 lol sineot, found a bug in tower Feb 04 02:40:50 it doesnt like directories that have a space Feb 04 02:40:52 haeffb_: makes absolutely no sense Feb 04 02:41:13 I'm going to try storing the alarm as a string.. Feb 04 02:41:53 the id* Feb 04 02:45:49 weird: http://gizmodo.com/5750864/is-this-ufo-caught-by-multiple-cameras-a-real-alien-spaceship Feb 04 02:46:17 o i c Feb 04 02:47:10 haeffb_: what do you see? the mess up? or the problem? Feb 04 02:47:26 the problem. no idea the cause. Feb 04 02:47:53 yeah, doesn't make sense :/ Feb 04 02:50:46 Tibfib: I got it installed Feb 04 02:50:52 nice Feb 04 02:51:27 It doesn't do anything! Feb 04 02:51:42 Because I don't have any songs on the phone... Feb 04 02:53:53 well that is a problem Feb 04 02:54:18 Add To Playlist doesn't seem to work… Could be because I don't have any songs but it says 'Select a playlist' and lets me type in stuff but it never goes away. Feb 04 02:54:44 hmm, what are you trying to add? Feb 04 02:55:03 Also, what's the .. Open Source License? Feb 04 02:55:05 I would assume it's because you are trying to save a crappy array or something Feb 04 02:55:12 Roy-Pre101: haven't decided yet Feb 04 02:55:21 I went into the Playlists Feb 04 02:55:27 Tapped the arrow and chose 'add to playlist' Feb 04 02:55:44 shmeh, I need to put in a buffer for no songs Feb 04 02:55:46 For the auto playlists. Feb 04 02:55:57 Probably shouldn't be able to add them to playlists anyhow. Feb 04 02:56:09 probably not Feb 04 02:56:18 * Tibfib removes Feb 04 02:57:03 What the heck does scrobbing mean anyhow? Feb 04 02:57:28 what are you refering to? Feb 04 02:57:44 scrobbling, I meant Feb 04 02:57:47 last.fm? Feb 04 02:57:52 yeah Feb 04 02:57:53 or songs? Feb 04 02:57:56 Scrobbling services.. Feb 04 02:58:13 Tibfib: probably won't change anything, but try /launch rather than /open for your applicationManager uri Feb 04 02:58:27 Roy-Pre101: not a huge user of last.fm.. so not great at answering that. It's like pandora, and you scrobble the songs so it makes the seleciton better Feb 04 02:58:35 haeffb_: not a bad idea Feb 04 02:59:03 Pfft, grey-sym-u doesn't do USB mode on the pre 2? Feb 04 02:59:08 that and maybe using a string... dunno. Feb 04 02:59:42 oooh… helps to plug in the cable. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 04 02:59:57 2011