**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 02:59:56 2011 Feb 07 03:27:33 hay SineOt! Feb 07 03:27:39 hey hey Feb 07 03:27:52 how's it goin? Feb 07 03:35:50 packers suck Feb 07 03:36:33 goin' good Feb 07 03:36:43 watching Community, then maybe some uh... other... shows... cough Feb 07 03:36:53 Josef_B: i take that to mean the packers won? Feb 07 03:36:54 lol Feb 07 03:37:03 yea lol Feb 07 03:37:40 oh shoot still havent seen community Feb 07 03:45:08 the D&D episode is amazing Feb 07 03:46:16 ;o Feb 07 03:46:26 but of course, every episode is amazing ;) Feb 07 03:47:02 yeah Feb 07 03:50:46 what was the final score? Feb 07 03:50:49 whats a good twitter app Feb 07 03:50:52 spaz or twee ? Feb 07 03:51:05 both! Feb 07 03:51:10 twee's a bit slower though Feb 07 03:51:12 I like Tweet personally, but PHNX and Carbon are both cool Feb 07 03:51:16 lately I've been trying the carbon beta Feb 07 03:51:16 er, Tweed Feb 07 03:51:17 idk, I don't twitter (yet) Feb 07 03:51:29 but I have no idea how to see another person's tweets from their profile in Carbon Feb 07 03:51:34 PatrickC_Pre your not missing much its not for the faint of heart Feb 07 03:51:34 woof.... the xoom is launching at 800 Feb 07 03:51:37 eh Feb 07 03:51:41 fail? Feb 07 03:51:57 woof? Feb 07 03:51:58 my pre keeps transferring data what the hell is it doing right now Feb 07 03:52:19 email Feb 07 03:52:21 lol Feb 07 03:52:21 torchie: oh thats just me, downloading all your data, muahahaha!! :) Feb 07 03:52:24 can you guys give me some good external links for palm pre stuff Feb 07 03:52:26 o nose! Feb 07 03:52:27 or irc Feb 07 03:52:28 :o) Feb 07 03:52:28 I was taken back by seeing that price tag, I woofed Feb 07 03:52:29 precenteral.net etc .. Feb 07 03:52:32 hehe Feb 07 03:52:50 nite all Feb 07 03:54:00 woof Feb 07 03:54:12 800 and you can't use the Wifi without buying a month of Verizon data :B Feb 07 03:54:42 everything pre ? Feb 07 03:54:43 what else Feb 07 03:54:51 webosinternals Feb 07 03:55:04 oil like rss feeds and stuff Feb 07 03:55:18 http://www.webos-internals.org Feb 07 03:55:26 its got boatloads of info Feb 07 03:55:26 @webosinternals Feb 07 03:55:43 is precenteral.net the main place ? Feb 07 03:56:14 Josef_B: BTW, the Preware Homebrew Documentation app has a good list of sites and forums in it's Help page ;) Feb 07 03:57:06 rwhitby im gonna have to get it when i get my pre Feb 07 03:57:52 lol Feb 07 03:59:08 webosroundup? Feb 07 04:03:30 webosworld Feb 07 04:38:02 blah, why does css have to be the bane of my existence? Feb 07 05:04:07 So who all is going to the thing on the 9th? Feb 07 05:13:53 If I was able to rebuild gstreamer to play vorbis via command line would I be able to stream vorbis with ampache and listen to them? Feb 07 05:14:08 (with the ampache app) Feb 07 05:14:18 Since afaik it doesn't use the media indexer. Feb 07 05:28:41 I just don't want to go through all the trouble if it's not going to work. Feb 07 07:23:44 hey Adora Feb 07 07:51:34 morning Feb 07 07:57:36 'morning swisstomcat Feb 07 11:13:10 hi. How can I get an camera image with the PDK? Feb 07 11:40:46 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2049#UsingCamera Feb 07 11:48:06 I don't know how to do that. Can you assisst? Feb 07 11:48:18 I have zero knowledge about JavaScript Feb 07 11:53:19 omg Feb 07 11:53:55 can you cal javascript code from a PDK app? Feb 07 11:54:27 kittyhello: you would need to create a hybrid app .. where the gui is js/html/css and you have a pdk-plugin Feb 07 11:54:48 but they are not allowed in the AppCatalog, yet? Feb 07 12:20:01 is the webos 2.x already released? Feb 07 12:20:15 yes, on the Pre 2. Feb 07 12:20:21 ah Feb 07 12:20:26 and for the older devices? Feb 07 12:20:29 hit the Kitty! Feb 07 12:20:36 said Jehova! Feb 07 12:20:43 :-) Feb 07 12:20:49 promised for the older ones... Feb 07 12:21:01 KittyHello: no, not for any devices other than the Pre 2. Feb 07 12:21:07 ok, I see Feb 07 12:21:15 "in the coming months" is still the official word Feb 07 12:21:39 ok, fine. Feb 07 12:22:04 we'll probably know more on feb. 9th Feb 07 12:22:43 * rwhitby bbt Feb 07 12:33:38 rwhitby i have tasted a lot of good wines from your country, good stuff :) Feb 07 15:27:56 will the emulator work with PDK apps? Feb 07 15:28:26 not sure Feb 07 15:28:33 i thought so Feb 07 15:58:46 I think no re: pdk + emulator, but I'm not sure Feb 07 15:59:32 i thought you could test in the emulator Feb 07 15:59:38 probably depending on the libraries Feb 07 15:59:43 (e.g opengl) Feb 07 16:00:01 hmmm, maybe :) Feb 07 16:13:44 bbl Feb 07 16:51:06 good news Feb 07 16:51:14 http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?cntry_code=us&tracknumber_list=477129964282&language=english Feb 07 16:57:00 omap5 just announced, http://multivu.prnewswire.com/mnr/texasinstruments/39161/ Feb 07 17:09:02 lamawithonel is that good or not ? im a n00b to web0s Feb 07 17:09:54 who else got a pixi from 1saleaday? Feb 07 17:10:24 Josef_B: yes, that's good Feb 07 17:10:39 a lot of firsts Feb 07 17:11:27 first A15 chip announced, first I've seen a Cortex-M core mixed with a Cortex-A, first USB3 integration... etc.. etc... Feb 07 17:11:56 no hardware yet, but this is the first any chip maker has announced anything concrete as far as specs Feb 07 17:12:36 TI is also one of, if not the, biggest of ARM's partners Feb 07 17:12:50 the Pre was based on the OMAP3 Feb 07 17:21:57 OMFG WHERE IS MY PRE Feb 07 17:22:06 its been stuck at this new sort facitly for 1 day Feb 07 17:22:07 lol Feb 07 17:22:13 i can actually drive over there and get it Feb 07 17:29:49 lol Feb 07 17:30:07 i spent 2 months waiting for something to be shipped to me from a company that was a 3 hour drive away Feb 07 17:30:09 :P Feb 07 17:30:58 what was it? Feb 07 17:31:07 handgun Feb 07 17:31:42 which was why i couldn't drive and get it Feb 07 17:33:11 uhh Feb 07 17:33:14 hvor state`? Feb 07 17:33:20 And what do you need it for? Feb 07 17:33:55 hvor? Feb 07 17:34:32 hvor? Feb 07 17:34:41 [12:28] hvor state`? Feb 07 17:34:43 hvor! Feb 07 17:35:16 you said it Feb 07 17:35:20 i'm asking wtf it means Feb 07 17:43:42 lol hvor is "where" in danish Feb 07 17:43:44 sorry Feb 07 17:43:48 What state Feb 07 17:44:09 georgia Feb 07 17:44:57 ARGH... Feb 07 17:45:09 Location services were working in Safari. Feb 07 17:45:21 hmm, i think there is a memory leak with the memo app Feb 07 17:45:23 Now trying to get my location doesn't work at all in Safari or Google Chrome. Feb 07 17:45:37 if i leave a sticky note up for a couple of hours, my phone starts having serious issues Feb 07 17:45:48 but if i open the note, write to it, and close it, i can do that 100 times a day just fine Feb 07 17:46:41 Workenhaven: is it for defindeing your house? :D Feb 07 17:46:51 no Feb 07 17:47:05 it's for making my pants heavier Feb 07 17:47:21 USA is crazy Feb 07 17:47:55 it's pretty sane here considering the country is filled with every single other country's rejects Feb 07 17:48:20 just wait till the second war of northern agression, THEN it will be crazy Feb 07 17:48:49 Han shot first! Feb 07 17:49:04 lol, i love how that's a starcraft2 cheatcode Feb 07 18:11:46 afternoon Feb 07 18:26:12 CTLAdvance im pissed Feb 07 18:26:15 why Feb 07 18:26:24 so i see my package in sacrament/rancho cordova .. its like 20 mins away Feb 07 18:26:32 fedex won't ship it tomorrow cuase that is the due date Feb 07 18:26:33 lol Feb 07 18:26:35 lazy bastards Feb 07 18:26:44 lol Feb 07 18:26:49 its just siting there .. they called from fedex.com to that facitly and they won't deliver it Feb 07 18:27:01 Why dont you go and get it Feb 07 18:27:07 dunno Feb 07 18:27:21 call them back and see if you can pick it up for the facility Feb 07 18:27:23 wife dosen't want to drive out there cuase it will come tomorrow Feb 07 18:27:35 You cant drive out there? Feb 07 18:27:42 i can Feb 07 18:27:45 waste of gas though Feb 07 18:27:47 i will just wait Feb 07 18:27:51 i have the emulator to play with Feb 07 18:27:52 lol Feb 07 18:28:20 ok Feb 07 18:28:36 umm... Feb 07 18:28:37 ok Feb 07 18:28:49 on a real pre Feb 07 18:29:10 if you have folders in your email / lables etc .. do those update or do you have to manually go to them and update them Feb 07 18:29:20 my gmail account has lables up the apps .. i have rules for everything Feb 07 18:44:14 hey Feb 07 18:44:19 is there an adblocker program for the pre? Feb 07 18:48:20 Not for apps, for the browser there is Feb 07 18:48:27 its a patch Feb 07 18:51:46 I GOT MY PRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Feb 07 18:51:47 W00T Feb 07 18:53:45 hmmm, anyone know a good proxy application for Windows Feb 07 18:54:11 as it takes forever to load Feb 07 18:56:34 what takes forever Feb 07 18:56:56 the OS? Feb 07 18:57:08 boo Feb 07 18:57:10 t Feb 07 18:57:44 Most of that time is Luna starting Feb 07 18:58:07 can i use my old sim card ? Feb 07 18:58:11 Yeah the Pre and Pixi are worse then blackberry on start up Feb 07 18:58:23 Pre2 is better Feb 07 18:58:26 but still bad Feb 07 19:00:57 wierd Feb 07 19:01:06 i have to activate it and the webiste won't let me put the full iemi Feb 07 19:07:10 ahh Feb 07 19:07:22 so nothing to install to get rid of the apps in my pandora app? Feb 07 19:15:38 omfg bastards Feb 07 19:15:51 they made me give up my $15 unlimated plan to get a $25 2 gib plan Feb 07 19:15:54 i protested Feb 07 19:16:04 but they siad that plan i had was onl for non smarthpones Feb 07 19:21:26 is it feb 9th yet?? Feb 07 19:25:59 this palm video is gay Feb 07 19:26:05 i seen it lots of times on youtube Feb 07 19:30:14 Yeah, actually it is a pretty happy video. Feb 07 19:50:57 hey guys, I had a quick question Feb 07 19:51:20 if I have a drag event on a canvas, how can I prevent a tap event from being triggered when I lift my finger off the screen? Feb 07 20:00:51 from what I can tell, either the dragEnd event will be triggered, or the tap event will be triggered Feb 07 20:09:13 I hear the drag events are sort of hit-and-miss...you could always have a tap handler anyway, and just have it do nothing if certain conditions are true (you have a flag set when a drag begins, for instance) Feb 07 20:13:02 * Josef_B is loving his pre Feb 07 20:13:37 I see, so I guess it's some sort of bug then Feb 07 20:13:59 I'll have a flag set for now, seems like the quickest fix Feb 07 20:14:12 thanks Feb 07 20:16:03 wow Feb 07 20:16:06 so many smudges Feb 07 20:16:12 i think my finger is covering the camera Feb 07 20:16:15 is that bad or good ? Feb 07 20:23:29 bad Feb 07 20:40:24 somebody help me put my pre down .. i keep grabbing it :D Feb 07 20:40:45 i need plastic or a cover or something to protect the camera Feb 07 20:43:09 lol Feb 07 20:43:30 haha Feb 07 20:44:05 what ? Feb 07 20:45:25 something to cover the camera Feb 07 20:45:42 a monkey Feb 07 20:45:44 lol Feb 07 20:45:49 i don't want it smudging Feb 07 20:45:51 the lens thing Feb 07 20:46:23 'afternoon Adora! Feb 07 20:47:11 caring about smudges on your shiny device is a good way to go insane Feb 07 20:47:41 lol Feb 07 20:47:47 how do i add people to a text im writing Feb 07 20:48:31 Have you tryed to look at the manual? Feb 07 20:48:44 fuck Feb 07 20:48:47 my kid keeps falling Feb 07 20:48:51 he is trying to walk Feb 07 20:49:01 im upstairs working and i just keep hearing clunk Feb 07 20:49:04 and screaming Feb 07 20:49:07 the manual....interesting.... Feb 07 20:49:15 there all telling me to not trip Feb 07 20:49:34 hard wood floors? Feb 07 20:49:38 im downloading pdf for user guide Feb 07 20:49:45 CTLAdvance we have a long capret on it Feb 07 20:49:47 the floor is wood Feb 07 20:49:49 but still Feb 07 20:49:55 i know its hurting him Feb 07 20:50:02 i already can see my self hitting my head Feb 07 20:50:07 and he jus lays there Feb 07 20:50:07 kids are resilient and short Feb 07 20:50:18 they don't fall real far Feb 07 20:50:20 well hes got to learn Feb 07 20:51:07 lol Feb 07 20:51:11 well Feb 07 20:51:15 he isn't getting watched Feb 07 20:51:19 my wife and her family live with us Feb 07 20:51:25 they are always worried about cleaning Feb 07 20:51:41 i can come down stairs and there is on something and boom he falls and evveryone rushes to him Feb 07 20:55:25 gotta teach him how to run before walking! Feb 07 20:55:55 if you have a scene called main (main-assistant.js), is it normal behavior for the main-assistant to get called in a multistage app? Feb 07 20:56:06 yes Feb 07 20:56:13 that is a default name Feb 07 20:56:36 interesting, I was wondering why two cards kept popping up Feb 07 20:57:16 yes? Feb 07 20:57:21 no Feb 07 20:57:28 what is sugardave smoking? Feb 07 20:57:33 I remember this Feb 07 20:57:43 last time i saw him it was cigerates i think Feb 07 20:57:44 this program is going slowly Feb 07 20:57:47 main is not special Feb 07 20:57:52 if you have a scene named main and nothing else, in the absence of a stage assistant, it will launch Feb 07 20:58:06 hmmm Feb 07 20:58:16 he's doing multi-stage though Feb 07 20:58:19 what am I thinking of, then? Feb 07 20:58:21 so he wants an app-assistant Feb 07 20:58:24 stage-assistant? Feb 07 20:58:32 well, I'm using createStageWithCallback and the callback I'm using pushes scene "main", so main gets called automatically when the app loads, then the callback creates a new card with scene main Feb 07 20:58:41 afaik those are the only two "special" assistants Feb 07 20:58:56 multistage can be done with both stage and app, but app assistant has more abilities to work with the system, dashboards etc Feb 07 20:59:09 bryanroth: you want an app-assistant Feb 07 20:59:15 yeah, I'm just using an app-assistant minus the stage-assistant Feb 07 20:59:20 which createstagewithcallback on handlelaunch Feb 07 20:59:51 oil: that's what I'm doing Feb 07 20:59:52 okay, now you're going to make me hunt it down Feb 07 20:59:54 are you missing, noWindow: true in your appinfo? Feb 07 21:00:37 oil: yep Feb 07 21:00:42 oil: lol, that did it Feb 07 21:00:44 well there ya go :) Feb 07 21:00:55 never heard of the noWindow attribute Feb 07 21:01:05 its needed for multi-stage apps Feb 07 21:01:09 or you get that first blank stage Feb 07 21:01:14 do'h Feb 07 21:01:29 oil: thanks a lot Feb 07 21:01:31 * Josef_B just learned how to cut/copy / paste / highlight Feb 07 21:01:32 np Feb 07 21:02:00 oh good, now I can stop looking :D Feb 07 21:02:07 haha Feb 07 21:02:15 * oil still wants to know wtf sugardave was talkin about Feb 07 21:02:21 but I swear, I remember something about scenes named "main" Feb 07 21:02:38 the only thing i know about scenes named main, is thats what i name my main scene in all my apps :) Feb 07 21:02:45 heh Feb 07 21:06:00 nice Feb 07 21:06:14 transunion offers a free credit report if your disputing something Feb 07 21:06:25 altho i already have my report from a few months back ;p Feb 07 21:07:49 oaky, so when you make a new stage controller, it has a property kDefaultSceneName which is main....I think that if you just call pushScene() with no args from the stage controller, it will push "main" Feb 07 21:08:05 sounds like you made that up Feb 07 21:08:14 I'm looking at the code Feb 07 21:08:16 lols Feb 07 21:08:47 who pushes a scene without specifying the scene they want pushed? Feb 07 21:08:54 noobs Feb 07 21:09:42 -_- Feb 07 21:10:09 well, my work here is done Feb 07 21:10:11 helped someone Feb 07 21:10:15 made fun of sugardave Feb 07 21:10:16 what else is there? Feb 07 21:10:22 :) Feb 07 21:10:27 wow Feb 07 21:10:32 hahaha Feb 07 21:10:33 im scared to stay on 3g or edge Feb 07 21:10:49 i had to switch from my unlimited $15 to $25 2 gig Feb 07 21:10:58 they told me the $15 was for a non smartphone Feb 07 21:10:59 0_o Feb 07 21:11:03 eh, 2 gigs Feb 07 21:12:17 is quite a bit Feb 07 21:12:24 naw Feb 07 21:12:26 im always online Feb 07 21:12:28 twitter etc Feb 07 21:12:31 witch reminds me Feb 07 21:12:34 i only think i've gone over 2 gigs a couple times Feb 07 21:12:36 i need to download facebook and spaz Feb 07 21:12:49 * oil goes back to work Feb 07 21:14:10 yeah I think 2 gigs is a lot for a smartphone Feb 07 21:14:28 yea Feb 07 21:14:32 but i can't chance going over Feb 07 21:14:35 0_o Feb 07 21:14:39 that would be crazy Feb 07 21:14:41 I don't do any heavy downloading too often, and when I do, it has to be on wifi or I'll go crazy waiting for the download Feb 07 21:14:55 which is better, listen/stopListening in setup/cleanup or activate/deactivate? Feb 07 21:15:08 activate/deactivate Feb 07 21:15:37 depends on the thing you're listening to Feb 07 21:15:41 you have to call them there, otherwise the scene won't be listening to those events if you pop back to it, for example via the back gesture Feb 07 21:15:55 scene listeners/element listeners, probably better to do activate/deactivate Feb 07 21:15:57 at least for the activate part Feb 07 21:16:34 yeah, just have seen mixed usage of where listeners are initialized Feb 07 21:16:36 @Josef_B, if you have preware installed, there's this nice homebrew app that lets you track your data usage over wifi and 3G Feb 07 21:16:49 but if you need to listen for things in a scene even if that scene isn't necessarily on top of the stack, then you probably need to do setup/cleanup style Feb 07 21:16:51 It's called Netstat Feb 07 21:17:27 It lets me see that I've downloaded 1.99GB of data over wifi, but only 203MB over 3G Feb 07 21:17:32 sugardave: true Feb 07 21:19:49 ok guys what else do i need Feb 07 21:19:54 i will tell you what i have installed so far ok Feb 07 21:20:11 i have preware installed / uberkernel / govna .. im at setspeed 600 Feb 07 21:20:14 6000* Feb 07 21:20:56 and netstat now Feb 07 21:25:13 haha Feb 07 21:25:23 wow wirc is crazy Feb 07 21:25:49 hay guys Feb 07 21:25:57 whos going to the event on wednesday? Feb 07 21:26:04 dang that means I have to type on this thing Feb 07 21:26:10 sup PatrickC_Home Feb 07 21:26:13 i got my pre PatrickC_Home :D Feb 07 21:26:17 hay Josef Feb 07 21:26:18 awesome! Feb 07 21:26:25 I'm typing on it Feb 07 21:26:41 hay joe_b, lol, what, u mean people are actually on? lol Feb 07 21:26:49 anyone going to the event? Feb 07 21:26:50 wow, a keyocera phone with a 4.7 inch folding screen so it fits in your pocket Feb 07 21:26:53 that could be interesting Feb 07 21:26:59 PatrickC_Home joe_b is me Josef_B Feb 07 21:27:04 where did you see that? Feb 07 21:27:06 er kyocera Feb 07 21:27:07 ohh lol Feb 07 21:27:08 where's my bluetooth eye piece Feb 07 21:27:09 ok Feb 07 21:27:18 and futuristic input device? ;) Feb 07 21:27:26 damin card view just popped up Feb 07 21:27:36 you got a pre2? Feb 07 21:27:46 in russia, you pop up in card view Feb 07 21:27:56 I have a sprint pre 2 Feb 07 21:27:59 where is my targeting reticule Feb 07 21:28:01 nop remember I need a phone now for emergency Feb 07 21:28:02 oh, and where is my car that drives itself Feb 07 21:28:07 I mean my surveryor's mark Feb 07 21:28:11 I'm on pre plus Feb 07 21:28:24 joe_b in the time it took to get your pre, you could have had a pre2 Feb 07 21:28:32 oh, i thought you said stacks lol Feb 07 21:28:39 yea oh well ;-) Feb 07 21:28:40 with 2.0 Feb 07 21:28:46 lol Feb 07 21:28:47 I'm lovin it Feb 07 21:28:56 youll love 2.0 if you like 1.4.5 Feb 07 21:29:04 2.0 mmmmmmm Feb 07 21:29:07 smooooooth Feb 07 21:29:08 i know! Feb 07 21:29:12 it is awesome! Feb 07 21:29:14 yea saw some youtube vids Feb 07 21:29:20 now if only it was on a sprint slate device Feb 07 21:29:24 2.0 on pre2 is smooth Feb 07 21:29:27 feb9feb9feb9feb9feb9feb9feb9feb9feb9feb9 Feb 07 21:29:44 omg I'm smearing the shit out of my pre the back part Feb 07 21:29:47 * sugardave steals torchie's MAC address. Feb 07 21:29:47 if you cant make it, my site is gonig to do a live blogging from the event Feb 07 21:29:50 oh wait... Feb 07 21:29:52 * torchie dies Feb 07 21:30:20 http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com Feb 07 21:30:26 wait what? Feb 07 21:30:39 first of all my hand is to big Feb 07 21:30:44 im covering the camera Feb 07 21:30:49 then im smearing the back part Feb 07 21:30:50 lol Feb 07 21:30:58 if you're not ap hotographer then don't worry about it Feb 07 21:30:58 i see major finger prints Feb 07 21:31:05 if you are, you should hyave a dedicated SLR ;) Feb 07 21:31:08