**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 08 02:59:57 2011 Feb 08 03:35:03 hi all! Feb 08 03:35:41 hi JenP! Feb 08 03:35:53 hi PatrickC_Home Feb 08 03:36:05 g'day JenP Feb 08 03:36:17 hi rwhitby Feb 08 03:36:18 hows it goin Feb 08 03:36:20 How are things? Feb 08 03:37:05 good Feb 08 03:37:08 JenP: good. Did you see that Preware Homebrew Documentation app is now #1 in the paid apps section in the app catalog? Feb 08 03:37:16 wishing 2.0 was out Feb 08 03:37:16 OMG no! Feb 08 03:37:20 no way! Feb 08 03:37:22 Congrats Feb 08 03:37:25 awesome! Feb 08 03:37:38 wait till you see his new boat! :) Feb 08 03:37:40 not by revenue, unfortunately, but by whatever algorithm Palm uses to rate apps :) Feb 08 03:37:43 and i love the new layout of webOSQI Feb 08 03:37:54 hi oil! Feb 08 03:37:58 hey Feb 08 03:38:05 what boat? lol Feb 08 03:38:20 PatrickC_Home_: yeah, oil worked really hard on that new WOSQI version Feb 08 03:38:35 * oil had nothing to do with it Feb 08 03:38:44 wow, Preware Homebrew Documentation is at the top of the list for hottest apps! Feb 08 03:38:48 oil: nice job! 4.0! Feb 08 03:38:54 :/ Feb 08 03:38:59 * PatrickC_Home_ wishes his app was in that spot :) Feb 08 03:39:19 Congrats everyone at canuck coding! rwhitby, oil, PuffTheMagic! :) Feb 08 03:39:38 i like how it tells you the build :) Feb 08 03:39:39 Tibfib_away: sweet, and good job to you on coding up Phnx and Carbon. Feb 08 03:40:00 never knew my pixi was Nove-Sprint-Pixi Feb 08 03:40:03 rwhitby: thanks man! Feb 08 03:40:09 i mean Nove-Sprint-Pixie* Feb 08 03:40:23 Tibfib: you've done so well on those twitter apps that you should try your hand out on a media player app some time in the future ... Feb 08 03:40:39 :/ I dunno about that. Kinda boring Feb 08 03:40:43 whats the best way to publicize you app for free? Feb 08 03:41:01 PatrickC_Home_: start an open source development group and run it for 2 years Feb 08 03:41:09 lol Feb 08 03:41:09 only if Tibfib would make one with a unified timeline Feb 08 03:41:12 lol Feb 08 03:41:24 oil: that's for squares Feb 08 03:41:37 yeah, only idiots want a unified timeline Feb 08 03:41:42 * PatrickC_Home_ tries to figure out how to start an open source development group, thinks about who he wants in it Feb 08 03:41:43 squares with BOATS! Feb 08 03:41:49 rod, oil, want in? lol Feb 08 03:42:01 PatrickC_Home_: I'm in oil's one already Feb 08 03:42:06 lol Feb 08 03:42:07 i know lol Feb 08 03:42:48 oh, and rwhitby. can i use pictures that are on PreCentral's site if i link back to P|C? Feb 08 03:43:09 i have my own tech blog, and the pix on there are sometimes better then the ones i can find Feb 08 03:43:14 PatrickC_Home_: you should ask PreCentral that. I have no idea what their copyright/attribution policy is. Feb 08 03:43:26 just whatever you do, hotlink the images Feb 08 03:44:26 rwhitby: so oil's the founder of Canuck Coding? not Jason? Feb 08 03:44:34 ah, i thought u were pretty much P|C lol Feb 08 03:44:38 Tibfib: who's Jason? Feb 08 03:44:50 didn't he make preware? Feb 08 03:44:56 PatrickC_Home_: Dieter works for me, yeah. Feb 08 03:45:03 * oil is so confused Feb 08 03:45:21 * PatrickC_Home_ is also confused Feb 08 03:45:35 * Tibfib should get back to carbon development Feb 08 03:45:46 basically, the only thing thats been said that wasn't a lie, is how many boats rwhitby has bought with PHD sales Feb 08 03:45:59 lol Feb 08 03:46:02 * rwhitby is on a horse Feb 08 03:46:09 lol Feb 08 03:47:36 so i guess teh ". You may not republish, distribute, prepare derivative works, or otherwise use the content other than as explicitly permitted herein." means i cant use the content on my site? Feb 08 03:47:50 usually, yes. Feb 08 03:47:57 lol Feb 08 03:48:26 man Feb 08 03:48:28 lol Feb 08 03:48:36 thats what i thought :/ Feb 08 03:48:40 to be fair though, i've seen images on precentral with engadget watermark Feb 08 03:48:49 and engadget probably has the same thing in their terms somewhere Feb 08 03:49:21 ok, well who would i contact at P|C to ask the question? Feb 08 03:49:29 they have a contact form on their website Feb 08 03:49:30 dieter Feb 08 03:49:38 ok Feb 08 03:49:41 looking it up now Feb 08 03:49:42 thanks Feb 08 03:49:50 I'll give him some time off so he can answer you. Feb 08 03:50:38 he isnt paid to answer work related emails? Feb 08 03:50:42 that sucks Feb 08 03:51:36 ok, thanks lol Feb 08 03:54:01 ok, support form submitted Feb 08 03:54:11 * PatrickC_Home_ waites by computer for reply Feb 08 03:54:26 anyone on here get one of the 100 fre Pre2's? Feb 08 03:55:29 * oil got 4 Feb 08 03:55:39 * PatrickC_Home_ wants some :) Feb 08 03:55:47 * oil actually got 0 Feb 08 03:56:20 * PatrickC_Home_ has like 3 palm profiles, and got none :( Feb 08 03:58:12 * PatrickC_Home_ wishes that the iPhone wouldnt launch for like 2 months :/ Feb 08 03:58:14 brb Feb 08 04:08:27 the 100 of them went out to people who, from what it sounds like, had requested coupons and either got lost in the system or ended up not buying Feb 08 04:09:42 lame Feb 08 04:09:52 well it's awesome for them, just lame I spent the money Feb 08 04:10:08 it was vaguely worded Feb 08 04:10:21 but I don't think it's a like, "just ask and you'll get one" type of dealie Feb 08 04:10:24 did you get one? Feb 08 04:10:27 no Feb 08 04:10:32 never requested the coupon Feb 08 04:10:35 how'd you find out? Feb 08 04:11:32 "The phones are going out on a first-come, first-serve basis to webOS developers that have expressed “interest” in getting a developer device (we’re guessing that means you signed up for developer phone notification or code request but haven’t yet bought one)." Feb 08 04:12:00 oh, p|c? Feb 08 04:13:31 yet there is on link to a palm page on the subject, nor indication of where the information came from Feb 08 04:13:38 s/is on/is no/ Feb 08 04:17:40 I hope they gave one to a square enix developer. Feb 08 04:19:13 'night everyone Feb 08 04:20:59 got my response from Dieter Feb 08 04:21:12 rick-work: bet you're loving this. congrats. Feb 08 04:21:45 loving what? lol Feb 08 04:22:35 g2g talk to youall later Feb 08 04:27:55 haeffb__! Hiya! Feb 08 04:28:11 JenP!!! Feb 08 04:28:21 hey stranger. what's new? Feb 08 04:28:32 sitting in a condo in Panama City Beach, FL Feb 08 04:28:34 you? Feb 08 04:28:57 not much. Feb 08 04:29:16 what should rick-work be loving? Feb 08 04:31:59 KU 103 MU 86 Feb 08 04:32:12 lol ahhhhh now i understand Feb 08 04:32:34 22:07:28> Congrats everyone at canuck coding! rwhitby, oil, PuffTheMagic! :) Feb 08 04:32:40 ^^ is this a joke? Feb 08 04:32:45 his team beat my team like a red-headed stepchild. (not that there's anything wrong with being a red-headed stepchild) Feb 08 04:33:00 lol Feb 08 04:33:01 PuffTheMagic: look at the surrounding context Feb 08 04:33:03 hi PuffTheMagic Feb 08 04:33:23 what up Feb 08 04:33:38 I'm trying to log out of spaz Feb 08 04:33:59 joe_b: good luck Feb 08 04:34:08 I went to prefrences ... I clickef on my account name and nothing Feb 08 04:34:20 oh so it's not just me Feb 08 04:34:26 ;-) Feb 08 04:35:08 is twee better ? Feb 08 04:38:47 spaz is the only one with a unified timeline allowing you to temporally associate replies and mentions with the tweets to which they are related. Feb 08 04:39:12 why do you want to log out, curiously? Feb 08 04:45:10 just cause ? Feb 08 04:47:49 yeah, I don't trust that Spaz guy in the icon either ... Feb 08 05:15:27 the icon always feels like old russian war propaganda Feb 08 05:15:31 maybe that was on purpose Feb 08 05:15:32 haha Feb 08 06:12:29 I want to start on some patches, and want to look at the layout of current patches. but can't figure out how to look at the guts of current patches. any help? Feb 08 06:30:54 never mind. found what I neded Feb 08 06:30:55 thanks Feb 08 06:33:59 glad we could help! Feb 08 06:34:05 we're a helpful bunch Feb 08 06:35:06 I know! Feb 08 06:35:40 actually, I asked on the #webos-internals channel, and they gave me a link I needed :p Feb 08 06:36:49 ah good Feb 08 06:44:21 yep Feb 08 06:46:36 nite Feb 08 07:30:22 morning Feb 08 07:35:49 Moin! Feb 08 07:37:56 moin Feb 08 07:47:17 morning Feb 08 07:47:47 morning Feb 08 08:22:02 'morning swisstomcat Feb 08 08:23:23 morning Feb 08 08:40:02 howdy Feb 08 08:40:57 what's good? Feb 08 08:42:00 are you part OSX? sounds dangerous Feb 08 08:43:40 did you guys already have a riveting discussion of JoshT's theory that the slim phone would dock into the tablet? sure would explain those dots.. Feb 08 08:44:45 that'd be coo Feb 08 08:44:47 cool Feb 08 08:45:27 damn i never expressed proper 'interest' in a pre2.. but still, i want a Red Pre2 Feb 08 08:45:43 hmm Feb 08 08:45:57 what would the "good" thing be for docking? Feb 08 08:46:35 anybody here driving up on wed morn? Feb 08 08:46:36 use the tablet as a bigger screen of your phone Feb 08 08:47:18 hm Feb 08 08:47:20 swisstomcat: and i think its as simple as that.. :) Feb 08 08:47:38 but if the pad can run the same applications` Feb 08 08:47:51 and you can pick the phone remotly on the taplet Feb 08 08:48:07 what program from the phone do i wonna run? Feb 08 08:48:27 i mean there is that problem that you can't have a profile signed into 2 devices, so this would solve that, and provide internet for the tablet w/o wifi hotspot Feb 08 08:48:56 i think this will be changed so you can login into 2 accounts Feb 08 08:49:01 *devices Feb 08 08:49:11 i wonder if the tiny phone would charge off the tablet Feb 08 08:49:17 but having a phone "stick out" of the tablet is not very practical :S Feb 08 08:49:38 who said it would have to "stick out"? :) Feb 08 08:49:53 what else`? Feb 08 08:49:58 stick in Feb 08 08:50:03 remotly connected = cool Feb 08 08:50:24 I dont think so Feb 08 08:50:36 that will make the tablet bigger Feb 08 08:50:44 and only some phones will "fit" in the tablet Feb 08 08:51:35 hotdp: that's the thing, only the new, skinny phone with the special connector will "fit" Feb 08 08:51:55 just wait Feb 08 08:51:57 until tomorrow Feb 08 08:52:00 :) Feb 08 08:52:06 then we will know Feb 08 08:52:11 ajay but what about a new device with 5" screen Feb 08 08:52:15 swisstomcat: talk about a killjoy Feb 08 08:52:22 ;^) Feb 08 08:52:47 hotdp: yeah i'm just thinking about the uber-tiny phone going with the tablet, it's semi-brilliant. Feb 08 08:53:03 so a bundle? :D Feb 08 08:53:18 for any bigger devices.. no idea. stick out? remote connect? i dunno.. its true it would be a little weird to have 2 ways to connect to the tablet Feb 08 08:53:21 * hotdp starts up the app to see how many hours until releases Feb 08 08:53:36 hotdp: that's what i'm hopin'll be given out on wed! :) Feb 08 08:53:41 the remotly connection is like 99% for sure i think Feb 08 08:53:59 bah Feb 08 08:54:03 1 day 9 hours :S Feb 08 08:54:40 hotdp: remote connection for sure, if nothing else than for internet.. Feb 08 08:54:59 i think they can share alot Feb 08 08:55:04 take the phone on the tablet Feb 08 08:56:01 what if! you throw the phone at the tablet, and it just absorbs it.. and when you're done, you hit eject, and your phone just materializes in your hand! Feb 08 08:56:09 that's it. that's how they're going to do it. think beyond! Feb 08 08:56:16 hehe Feb 08 08:56:44 man, you'd almost think I was working for Palm to come up with that. Feb 08 08:57:47 but no worries, no NDAs broken here! Feb 08 08:57:58 :P Feb 08 08:58:32 i wonder what it takes to become a tech journalist.. Feb 08 08:58:49 * ajay kicks himself for lollygagging when google I/O reg was occurring.. i want toys! Feb 08 08:59:10 too expensive anyway Feb 08 08:59:21 california is half a world away Feb 08 08:59:24 haha Feb 08 08:59:34 no it's not.. :) Feb 08 08:59:41 jk Feb 08 08:59:52 for me it is Feb 08 08:59:54 will you euros be hitting up MWC? Feb 08 08:59:56 9 hours time difference Feb 08 09:00:04 yeah, i'll be at MWC Feb 08 09:00:23 is it pretty cheap/easy to get to Spain? (Barcelona iirc?) Feb 08 09:00:39 yeah Feb 08 09:00:42 200 euros Feb 08 09:01:02 and i'm using airbnb instead of a hotel .. $58 for 2 nights Feb 08 09:01:25 gVoice advanced search operators are hot! https://www.google.com/support/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146756 Feb 08 09:01:54 swisstomcat: 200 euros to get to spain? more than i was expecting you to say.. i thought travelling within europe was super-cheap Feb 08 09:02:15 ajay Feb 08 09:02:17 (like $10 flights btwn france+UK? and other routes too iirc) Feb 08 09:02:18 its cheaper in USA Feb 08 09:02:26 price/distance Feb 08 09:02:29 never heard of $10 flights Feb 08 09:02:30 then eu Feb 08 09:02:33 maybe ryanair? Feb 08 09:02:43 huh.. ok Feb 08 09:02:53 train? in the US train is about the same as plane (which i think is stupid) Feb 08 09:03:23 train is twice as expensive :/ Feb 08 09:03:25 the cheapest tickets i have seen is about 100 euro but then there is "no" tickets so you have to buy more expencive once Feb 08 09:03:28 to barcelona Feb 08 09:03:45 oh damn Feb 08 09:03:52 twice? eek.. Feb 08 09:03:57 "no" tickets? you mean, sold out? Feb 08 09:04:08 i mean that there is maybe 10 tickets Feb 08 09:04:18 but they use it to say "hey we have cheap tickets" Feb 08 09:04:34 yeah Feb 08 09:04:41 so people call, and then they dont have anymore so they have to buy other ones Feb 08 09:05:58 huh Feb 08 09:25:38 * ajay is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] Feb 08 09:26:20 hmm that doesn't feel as fun/good of an idea as i thought.. (autoaway at 10 mins..:) k guess it's night time then! Feb 08 09:26:20 * ajay is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 0 min 42 secs Feb 08 09:26:26 ttfn.. Feb 08 15:26:51 is this the last "no Enyo Early Access" day? Feb 08 15:27:46 i hope so! Feb 08 15:27:57 i have a webos hackday on thursday Feb 08 15:28:09 I saw that, but it is too far away :P Feb 08 15:28:22 hope to try enyo then Feb 08 15:28:34 so, reordering or deleting items in a list does not update the model. Feb 08 15:28:46 sucky suck suck Feb 08 15:28:46 let me check Feb 08 15:28:59 haeffb_: we had this discussion before Feb 08 15:29:07 I thought it did, but you guys said "no" Feb 08 15:29:13 that was back when I still was coding. Feb 08 15:29:17 haha Feb 08 15:29:22 perhaps the event contains a reordered model? Feb 08 15:29:27 it does Feb 08 15:29:32 I know it Feb 08 15:29:34 but it definitely doesn't change the original model Feb 08 15:29:34 it has to Feb 08 15:30:04 that's pretty dumb Feb 08 15:30:07 haeffb: yeah, i have to update the model manually Feb 08 15:30:38 reorder: Feb 08 15:30:39 this.myListModel.items.splice(event.fromIndex, 1); Feb 08 15:30:39 this.myListModel.items.splice(event.toIndex, 0, event.item); Feb 08 15:30:50 delete: Feb 08 15:30:51 this.myListModel.items.splice(this.myListModel.items.indexOf(event.item), 1); Feb 08 15:31:27 now dammit, I know I saw an updated model property somewhere in an event Feb 08 15:31:30 but it has been a long time Feb 08 15:32:02 hi Adora. We've just concluded that lists are pretty dumb. Feb 08 15:32:59 Adora: any comment on today being the last "no Enyo Early Access" day? Feb 08 15:33:28 *crickets* Feb 08 15:33:43 your silence....it tells me more than you think :P Feb 08 15:33:48 they're all busy reharsing tomorrows event Feb 08 15:38:06 the event contains the original model as well Feb 08 15:39:26 fine Feb 08 15:39:37 I must have hallucinated it Feb 08 15:43:36 pot and coding don't match ;) Feb 08 15:43:41 lies Feb 08 15:45:55 delete: Feb 08 15:45:58 this.editNoteListModel.items.splice(event.index, 1); Feb 08 15:46:31 no need for indexOf, which is gonna slow things down Feb 08 15:46:53 and not be available when HPalm removes Prototype Feb 08 15:53:12 what up Feb 08 15:54:47 guys I'm in mail right and I habe many folders / lables ... non of them show my unread messages ... there a way to setup my email/gmail to display all of trhem as unread ? Feb 08 15:55:33 no idea joe_b Feb 08 15:55:34 where just talking about labs not the inbox Feb 08 15:55:39 ugh Feb 08 15:56:09 k I'm gonna ask in the other chan Feb 08 15:58:44 it's almost like it's better to have no lables and have just an inox Feb 08 15:59:03 inbox even Feb 08 16:03:31 Mooo Feb 08 16:04:09 I can't get this advanced guesture swpe down Feb 08 16:04:43 instead of cards I wanna swype to left and get the next app that's open Feb 08 16:04:48 The full swipe? Feb 08 16:05:18 yea you turn it on Feb 08 16:05:55 under screen lock Feb 08 16:06:26 called switch applications Feb 08 16:06:31 Yeah... Just do a full swipe acros the gesgure area Feb 08 16:07:32 ok I need to get on the computer bbs Feb 08 16:13:03 hello Feb 08 16:13:55 I am having some problem in a code of webos Feb 08 16:14:22 go ahead Feb 08 16:14:27 me might be able to help :) Feb 08 16:14:59 me.swisstomcat Feb 08 16:15:13 reminds me of work :o Feb 08 16:15:17 Hi Feb 08 16:15:56 lies .. and statistics Feb 08 16:16:52 #include "SDL.h" #include "PDL.h" SDL_Surface *Surface; // Screen surface int main(int argc, char** argv) { // Initialize the SDL library with the Video subsystem SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO | SDL_INIT_NOPARACHUTE); // start the PDL library PDL_Init(0); // Set the video mode to full screen SDL_VIDEO Surface = SDL_SetVideoMode(320, 480, 0, SDL_FULLSCREEN); // Event descriptor SDL_E Feb 08 16:17:04 sorry Feb 08 16:17:23 http://www.webos101.com/PDK_OpenGL_ES_1.1_Tutorial_1 Feb 08 16:17:33 this a=is atutorial Feb 08 16:18:47 while linking it in visual c++ it gives the errorerror LNK1561: entry point must be defined Feb 08 16:19:28 wish i could help, but i've never used visual for C Feb 08 16:23:01 doesnot matter it gives the same eror in all c compilers Feb 08 16:25:30 archit_: sorry, I only do javascript Feb 08 16:35:33 well i've never had a linking error Feb 08 16:35:36 :P Feb 08 17:23:57 hmm Feb 08 17:24:09 anyone else alive trying to solve this gamil issue on my pre Feb 08 17:24:14 basically i have 20 folders/lables Feb 08 17:24:29 none of them are showing the undread messages .. yet if i go to gmail.com they are there Feb 08 17:24:34 i just set the option to go back 1 month Feb 08 17:24:38 anyone else have the same issue ? Feb 08 17:37:47 yep Feb 08 18:11:01 hay guys Feb 08 18:15:14 yo Feb 08 18:15:18 i have a delima Feb 08 18:15:25 looks like the pre only monitors the inbox and not my lables Feb 08 18:15:27 0_o Feb 08 18:15:28 whats up? Feb 08 18:15:45 you have to manually check each lable Feb 08 18:16:00 yea but Feb 08 18:16:04 all my emails are rulees Feb 08 18:16:06 ever email almost Feb 08 18:16:06 but what? lol Feb 08 18:16:35 u mean they all go to a lable and not the inbox? Feb 08 18:16:40 yes Feb 08 18:16:51 not shure i can help there Feb 08 18:16:56 * PatrickC_Home scratches head Feb 08 18:18:22 how abou you Feb 08 18:18:26 how do you have your email setup ? Feb 08 18:23:37 hay sorry Josef Feb 08 18:23:46 computer froze up and shut everything down :/ Feb 08 18:24:52 yea Feb 08 18:24:54 i have lables and filters Feb 08 18:24:59 my filters are like this Feb 08 18:25:16 just /msg me Feb 08 18:25:16 mark anything from patrick_home / move from inbox and it goes to the patrick label Feb 08 18:25:33 brb, i have to go do something Feb 08 18:25:34 i wonder if i should uncheck move from inbox Feb 08 18:25:36 srry :) Feb 08 18:25:41 probably Feb 08 18:25:46 then everything should go to the inbox Feb 08 18:25:48 ou have filters in your gmail ? Feb 08 18:26:02 i have lables, but not filters Feb 08 18:26:07 aw Feb 08 18:26:11 so manually move everything ? Feb 08 18:26:39 yep Feb 08 18:26:47 its actually easier that way :) Feb 08 18:26:53 i actually have 5 more minutes Feb 08 18:27:52 how do u like the pre other then that? Feb 08 18:28:05 oh, and i looked it up, and i have 293 apps :) Feb 08 18:28:54 lol Feb 08 18:29:09 yea one being Angry Birds :) Feb 08 18:29:14 the best game ever! Feb 08 18:29:15 lol Feb 08 18:29:38 * Josef_B removes his filters Feb 08 18:29:39 0_o Feb 08 18:29:45 it should work now Feb 08 18:29:58 just log onto gmail.com every once in a while and put everything where it goes Feb 08 18:30:00 thats what i do Feb 08 18:30:45 * PatrickC_Home is thinking about trying to use Blender Feb 08 18:32:02 * PatrickC_Home also needs a new computer... any donations :) Feb 08 18:58:50 hey, dawm: question! you were the one cutting those webOS Developer stickers, yeah? Feb 08 19:49:04 the video interface used to look like this? Feb 08 19:49:05 http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/palm-pre/review/sshots/gsmarena_206.jpg Feb 08 19:49:53 isnt that what it looks like now? Feb 08 19:50:16 lol thats what i was thinking Feb 08 19:51:09 it's different now, solid bar across the bottom Feb 08 19:51:25 well that shows how much video i watch on my pre Feb 08 19:51:46 i just play downloaded utube videos Feb 08 19:51:48 lol Feb 08 19:53:00 yeah it used to look better Feb 08 19:53:05 I watch a fair amount of youtube Feb 08 19:53:10 I don't know, I like the new one personally Feb 08 19:53:12 it's cleaner Feb 08 19:53:18 not so much downloaded videos since I have no room for them Feb 08 19:53:50 man I hope the sprint hp kickasseron 3 comes with a high-memory variation Feb 08 19:53:58 the only time i use youtube on my phone, is "i saw this video earlier you've got to check it out" search for it, hand them phone Feb 08 19:54:10 yeah that's usually how it goes Feb 08 19:54:12 rarely am i finding new youtube content in the app Feb 08 19:54:15 or if I want to hear a song I don't have Feb 08 19:54:21 or watch some faves Feb 08 19:56:47 i use it for the songs i dont have Feb 08 20:03:59 feb9feb9feb9feb9feb9 Feb 08 20:04:27 r u going torchie? Feb 08 20:04:31 I am going Feb 08 20:04:33 to get on my computer Feb 08 20:04:35 and watch a live blog Feb 08 20:04:44 awesome! Feb 08 20:04:44 what live blog? Feb 08 20:04:47 mine? :) Feb 08 20:04:51 * torchie shrug Feb 08 20:05:01 is there a stream Feb 08 20:05:06 probably the engadget one, since it's probably going to be the live blog of the press event :T Feb 08 20:05:29 mine is only going to be the live blog of the developer even Feb 08 20:05:33 event** Feb 08 20:05:45 is anyone going to do video streaming? Feb 08 20:06:29 yeah I'm thinkin engadget Feb 08 20:06:41 I don't think they can Feb 08 20:06:52 but if it's anything like the previous things Engadget has done Feb 08 20:06:56 i wish they could Feb 08 20:07:04 there will be pictures interspersed with the text content Feb 08 20:07:24 not enough bandwidth in most cases Feb 08 20:07:28 well, i have one of my writers going to live blog it via twitter for me Feb 08 20:08:03 http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com rocks! Feb 08 20:08:15 I mean lol, Apple will not let you do video from their events and they've had issues with the wifi bandwidth getting tanked from everyone trying to twitter/liveblog it Feb 08 20:08:28 so if Twitter can kill things you can bet that video streaming would Feb 08 20:08:45 yea Feb 08 20:08:53 it should be a fun one Feb 08 20:09:01 but we arent expecting 100,000 people like apple :p Feb 08 20:09:27 is hp allowing video? Feb 08 20:09:55 HP isn't Feb 08 20:09:58 a thing I like about only-apple having video of their keynotes is that there's always one definitive, high quality keynote video Feb 08 20:10:00 we are not allowed to video i beieve Feb 08 20:10:09 I know they've said no video no audio of the developer event Feb 08 20:10:17 so I can imagine that it's similar for the press one Feb 08 20:10:24 instead of a bunch of crappy ones where people are shooting from their sprint pres Feb 08 20:10:29 hmm Feb 08 20:10:30 i wish it was like the dev day in NYC Feb 08 20:10:51 what time is the press event? Feb 08 20:11:01 make sure to check out this topic at the dev center :) Feb 08 20:11:01 https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=11117 Feb 08 20:11:07 im not sure Feb 08 20:11:14 press event is at 10 AM PST Feb 08 20:11:26 probably going to run an hour Feb 08 20:11:51 and the dev event is at 7PM PST? Feb 08 20:11:56 yes Feb 08 20:11:57 wow, big gap..... Feb 08 20:12:15 dev event runs from 7:00-7:30 with a reception afterwards from 7:30-9:30 Feb 08 20:12:31 :( Feb 08 20:12:42 * PatrickC_Home wishes he could go.. :'( Feb 08 20:12:43 So how many hours from start to finish? Feb 08 20:13:16 for what? Feb 08 20:13:42 yeah that is a huge gap Feb 08 20:13:46 odd Feb 08 20:13:50 7:30 PM? Feb 08 20:13:55 from event start to finish Feb 08 20:13:55 they could do something with that space Feb 08 20:13:57 oh wait Feb 08 20:14:03 press is 10 AM ok Feb 08 20:14:06 like give out PalmPads :) Feb 08 20:14:12 i need to calculate when it fnishes my time Feb 08 20:14:23 so 2½ hour = Feb 08 20:14:25 so I get to see all of this... Feb 08 20:14:28 ...20 mins before english Feb 08 20:14:29 Press is 10AM, Dev is 7PM Feb 08 20:14:39 hotdp: use Google! Feb 08 20:14:46 it's a huge gap but, eh! Feb 08 20:14:48 wooot Feb 08 20:14:55 then i will sleep :( Feb 08 20:15:02 Press stuff gets done all clean and clinical, gets out to the press early in the day Feb 08 20:15:07 i say, give out PalmPads to all the deveopers that cant be there :) Feb 08 20:15:15 press stuff says the important things Feb 08 20:15:16 SPRINT Feb 08 20:15:18 NEW PHONE Feb 08 20:15:34 Developers get to smooze and mingle to their hearts content at what basically sounds like a post launch cocktail party~ Feb 08 20:15:37 because for god's sake, kyocera echo ain't shit Feb 08 20:15:54 til they tell us it's a tmo exclusive and we all scream Feb 08 20:16:32 that wouldn't be too bad if the 'rents have any plans to switch to tmo Feb 08 20:16:35 nah, we'd scream if they announced everything was a US Cellular exclusive Feb 08 20:16:43 just hoping I don't end up on metro Feb 08 20:16:48 since they don't have... Feb 08 20:16:51 ...phones Feb 08 20:17:09 hmm i have not seeen anything on engadget about a live blog? Feb 08 20:17:12 will they be there? Feb 08 20:17:18 they' Feb 08 20:17:23 ve said in the past that they will be Feb 08 20:17:25 arstechnica is going to live blog Feb 08 20:17:39 when the invites first went out Feb 08 20:29:53 lol metro Feb 08 20:29:58 torchie you in california ? Feb 08 20:36:46 I'm just going to let all of you keep me apprised here in the chat Feb 08 20:37:45 awww yissssss. http://cl.ly/2v233R2w1t1d292w0t3k < best wallpaper ever Feb 08 20:38:55 sine, really? lol Feb 08 20:39:08 * oil assumes SineOt is a woman now Feb 08 20:39:23 only on the inside Feb 08 20:39:49 yes Feb 08 20:40:00 yes really Feb 08 20:40:39 * oil thought sineot was a dude Feb 08 20:40:44 hi Feb 08 20:40:55 though, such assumptions are usually 90% right when it comes to the internets Feb 08 20:41:13 * sugardave would put money on it. Feb 08 20:41:40 uh-oh Feb 08 20:41:50 now we've offended him/her Feb 08 20:41:52 it wasnt me this time Feb 08 20:41:53 * oil didnt mean to offend her Feb 08 20:41:55 lol Feb 08 20:42:40 anyone else a woman? Feb 08 20:42:56 xD Feb 08 20:43:08 http://twitter.com/#!/joshmarinacci/status/35071513208029184 Feb 08 20:43:37 aw Feb 08 20:44:20 sugardave needs to /nick sugardonna? Feb 08 20:44:34 only girl name i could think of that started with a d Feb 08 20:44:38 hahaha Feb 08 20:44:41 Dana Feb 08 20:44:42 sugardiane Feb 08 20:44:43 Daphne Feb 08 20:44:47 ok showoff Feb 08 20:44:50 heez Feb 08 20:44:50 lol Feb 08 20:44:54 heh Feb 08 20:44:56 jeez* Feb 08 20:45:28 no, my femal alter ego would be... Feb 08 20:47:02 that was harsh guys :P Feb 08 20:47:46 i staye outta that one :) Feb 08 20:51:01 should change the channel title to #webOS: Unofficial discussion & highly judgmental" Feb 08 20:51:43 yea, that was a little mean EvaDragus Feb 08 20:51:46 lol Feb 08 20:52:41 :/ Feb 08 20:54:23 man, i hope sine is ok....... :-/ Feb 08 20:55:25 * oil blames sugardave/EvaDragus Feb 08 20:55:35 wow, i thought sine would have come back on by now...... Feb 08 20:55:56 morning Feb 08 20:56:07 oil, u had some say. i was afk during that.... lol Feb 08 20:56:14 so i couldnt have been a part if i wanted to Feb 08 20:56:19 morning rwhitby! Feb 08 20:56:55 well, afternoon for me, its 3PM here Feb 08 20:57:15 is palm event really in 4.5 hours like http://www.palm.com/us/company/events/ is telling me? Feb 08 20:57:36 rwhitby: I doubt it Feb 08 20:57:42 i have 22:03:00 Feb 08 20:57:53 rwhitby: your timezone breaks it Feb 08 20:57:56 heh, timezone fail by HP/Palm Feb 08 20:57:58 you must be from the future :D Feb 08 20:58:00 i have 21 hrs Feb 08 20:58:18 rwhitby: they're probably using that bugged convertDate method :P Feb 08 20:58:20 at least it doesn't think its 7 months away :) Feb 08 21:00:10 weird...I don't think it's right for me either..lol Feb 08 21:00:22 * oil is pst Feb 08 21:00:30 it says 23:01:01 for me Feb 08 21:00:41 20 hours would be noon tomorrow, and I'm EST Feb 08 21:00:46 ok...weird Feb 08 21:01:03 so that part is right...but I thought it was at 10am pst? Feb 08 21:01:09 it lines up for noon tomorrow for me Feb 08 21:01:20 is that for the press event, or the dev event? Feb 08 21:01:37 press im sure Feb 08 21:02:19 it looks like it lines up for 11AM for me.... Feb 08 21:02:45 has palm ever had a working countdown? Feb 08 21:02:51 the hotapps one was broken too Feb 08 21:02:51 haha Feb 08 21:07:03 13:53 here Feb 08 21:08:14 where is SineOt? man Feb 08 21:08:22 i hope hes not too mad... Feb 08 21:08:53 she'll be fine Feb 08 21:09:01 ok Eva Feb 08 21:09:16 really dave? >:\ Feb 08 21:09:45 maybe? Feb 08 21:09:59 its not dave, its eva Feb 08 21:10:14 perhaps it's all a coincidence and SineOt's connection went down Feb 08 21:10:21 probably Feb 08 21:10:25 * oil goes back to works Feb 08 21:10:58 brb Feb 08 21:11:33 why does the current teaser video - Palm_BlackOnBlackTeaser2.mov - show no camera, but Palm_BlackOnBlackTeaser1.mov does? Feb 08 21:12:14 one is probably a tablet, and the other a phone? Feb 08 21:12:46 Just noticed in the teaser site's meta tag, Feb 08 21:12:46 I think you can stop marketing the Centro, Tungsten, & Zire any day now Palm. Feb 08 21:13:31 PatrickC_Home: its the same video though, just missing camera in one Feb 08 21:13:49 dgathright: PalmOS for life! Feb 08 21:14:20 no way dgathright... i'm totally convinced they'll revive the Palm Pilot brand Feb 08 21:14:29 it's iconic Feb 08 21:14:53 * krushia wants a Treo 9000 Feb 08 21:14:57 i have a palm pilot Feb 08 21:15:03 i used to have 3 Feb 08 21:15:11 EVERYONE and they're mother had a palm pilot Feb 08 21:15:14 or a treo Feb 08 21:15:15 for some, but not for most. I couldn't think "new & cool" if I heard Palm Pilot. Feb 08 21:15:16 or a clie Feb 08 21:15:24 * dgathright had a Pilot Feb 08 21:15:26 brb Feb 08 21:15:29 I have one that says 'US Robotics' on it Feb 08 21:15:40 * krushia thinks of "EPIC MOTHER OF ALL SMARTPHONES" when he hears Treo Feb 08 21:16:10 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/teaser/Palm_BlackOnBlackTeaser2.mov vs http://palm.cdnetworks.net/teaser/Palm_BlackOnBlackTeaser1.mov Feb 08 21:16:24 i imagine i'm not the first to notice that Feb 08 21:17:41 * mugen[dsktp] scratches his head Feb 08 21:18:05 weird, why are the sprite images for the counter upside down & backwards? http://www.palm.com/assets/images/timer/digit-sprites.png Feb 08 21:18:07 is it me Feb 08 21:18:14 or did i not see a point to that .mov Feb 08 21:18:51 Josef_B: you know you're in #webOS right? Feb 08 21:19:26 k Feb 08 21:19:28 ? Feb 08 21:19:37 link no workie for me Feb 08 21:19:53 mugen[dsktp] dev chan yes i know Feb 08 21:19:57 just checking Feb 08 21:20:11 as you were Feb 08 21:20:14 well, i dont have quicktime on this computer :/ Feb 08 21:20:21 and im not installing it lol Feb 08 21:20:26 VLC? Feb 08 21:20:39 VLC? whats that? lol Feb 08 21:20:55 :( Feb 08 21:20:55 damn son Feb 08 21:20:57 lol Feb 08 21:21:06 lol Feb 08 21:21:11 well, im 15 :) Feb 08 21:21:20 google it, d/l it, enjoy it :D Feb 08 21:21:36 googled it Feb 08 21:21:39 seeing what it is Feb 08 21:21:42 then going to download it Feb 08 21:21:42 ...and never again use a shotty media player that requires millions of codecs Feb 08 21:21:44 PatrickC_Home: so it's not too late for you. www.videolan.org Feb 08 21:21:46 then going to enjoy it Feb 08 21:21:53 mugen[dsktp]: CCCP Feb 08 21:22:13 dohtem: ...sup? Feb 08 21:22:22 well, i dont really use a media player, but when i do, its either the crappy WMP or the even more crappy iTunes Feb 08 21:22:29 CCCP has every codec you will ever need. Feb 08 21:22:34 oh Feb 08 21:22:50 well yeah... but why not just use a free media player that rox no matter what Feb 08 21:23:18 wow, VLC supports BE OS Feb 08 21:23:19 um...for what it's worth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCCP Feb 08 21:23:23 just saying Feb 08 21:23:39 lol maik Feb 08 21:24:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Community_Codec_Pack#Notable_formats_not_natively_supported Feb 08 21:25:07 quicktime and real are on that list Feb 08 21:25:38 if you need those formats, you are watching 2g1c type stuff Feb 08 21:25:44 j/k :) Feb 08 21:26:20 of course vlc may also be illegal in the US anyway Feb 08 21:26:28 haha Feb 08 21:26:54 since they include the decss stuff in the recent versions Feb 08 21:27:07 y would it be illegal? lol Feb 08 21:27:22 should i even install it???? lol Feb 08 21:27:28 DMCA Feb 08 21:27:55 they're way less cool than the YMCA Feb 08 21:29:30 video codecs are such a legal mess that noone dares break out the lawyers Feb 08 21:29:57 im trying to find out if it is legal in the us Feb 08 21:29:58 PatrickC_Home: you might as well... they already know you browsed the website Feb 08 21:30:04 lol Feb 08 21:30:09 you're totally eff'ed Feb 08 21:30:26 yeah, go for broke Feb 08 21:30:44 you might as well take after that kid from washington and steal a plane and fly to the bahamas Feb 08 21:31:44 definately Feb 08 21:31:58 i mean, you really have no other choice Feb 08 21:32:18 * Loudergood begins pondering the legality of suggesting such things to a minor.. Feb 08 21:32:33 best not to dwell on such things Feb 08 21:32:50 * Loudergood begins looking for his own plane Feb 08 21:32:57 lol Feb 08 21:33:31 Is libdvdcss legal? The use and distribution of the libdvdcss library is controversial in some signatories countries of the WIPO Copyright Treaty, and the corresponding European Union Copyright Directive (EUCD) within the EU. For instance, the United States of America, it is implemented through the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). Feb 08 21:36:05 if it wasn't confusing, they would just come out and say "Yes" Feb 08 21:36:47 but then there is Feb 08 21:36:48 We assume it violates USA DMCA law. But libdvdcss hasn't been declared illegal anywhere. Feb 08 21:38:28 Howdy everyone! Feb 08 21:38:39 hay Feb 08 21:38:47 morning Tibfib, only 4h to go to the palm announcement! Feb 08 21:39:17 awesome! Feb 08 21:39:18 brb Feb 08 21:39:30 rwhitby: dang! stinking australian's being in the future. Let us know what happens! Feb 08 21:39:44 Tibfib: I'll be sure to tell you all about it Feb 08 21:39:56 if they were live streaming it that is Feb 08 21:40:25 rwhitby: well I'm sure it'll be all over twitter Feb 08 21:40:43 yeah, I'll tell you what you're going to tweet tomorrow. Feb 08 21:42:41 This is awesome. It's snowing pretty good here so I may not have school tomorrow Feb 08 21:42:48 which means I get to watch the live blog Feb 08 21:43:25 * rwhitby bbl Feb 08 21:46:57 :( http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=11104 Feb 08 21:47:08 I posted the right solution. got ignored. :/ Feb 08 21:49:06 I wouldn't say that, looks like he replied to you with his next attempt at fixing it Feb 08 21:49:58 http://www.precentral.net/palm-giving-100-developers-free-pre-2 -- Anyone get in on this? Feb 08 21:50:32 Loudergood: yeah, true... Feb 08 21:51:10 be neat if the forums had a reputation system though Feb 08 21:53:08 pilot would be a cool name for the refresh Feb 08 21:53:23 on a side note, I just had an idea Feb 08 21:53:49 what if there were a modification to the default webos video player like mac Perian Feb 08 21:54:07 where you don't have to get an alternative player but format support is expanded Feb 08 21:55:23 you mean just modify the back end? Feb 08 21:55:28 yeah Feb 08 21:55:35 * Loudergood has no idea what mac Perian is Feb 08 21:55:55 perian changes the backend so that Quicktime supports pretty much whatever VLC supports Feb 08 21:56:26 was it vlc or mplayer that's been built? Feb 08 21:56:55 by the chinese guy that gave no source Feb 08 21:58:21 torchie: mplayer is coming Feb 08 21:58:46 :o Feb 08 21:59:54 exactly/similarly to your idea Feb 08 22:00:01 :O Feb 08 22:00:04 hotttttt Feb 08 22:04:54 I should probably start hacking on drpodder to add the feature I want.. Feb 08 22:05:03 open source ftw! Feb 08 22:12:21 does carbon give notifications Feb 08 22:12:45 evening everyone Feb 08 22:13:42 anyone know if pre central is down Feb 08 22:14:35 yes Feb 08 22:14:50 "You don't have access here." Feb 08 22:14:52 yes it is? Feb 08 22:14:54 awwwaahw Feb 08 22:14:56 yep Feb 08 22:15:13 torchie - should I buy the look color Feb 08 22:15:22 nook Feb 08 22:15:24 is that a pair of kaleidoscope binoculars Feb 08 22:15:31 look, color! Feb 08 22:15:31 I wish Feb 08 22:15:37 what time is the event tomorrow? 10 or 11 pst? Feb 08 22:15:42 10 pst Feb 08 22:15:46 nook color's pretty sweet Feb 08 22:15:53 hmm, wonder why http://www.precentral.net/hp-palm-thinkbeyond-liveblog says 11 Feb 08 22:15:55 I'd argue it's one hell of a value Feb 08 22:15:58 get the nook eink ;) Feb 08 22:16:24 nook eink would be cool if they weren't phasing out 3G :( Feb 08 22:16:39 eink ereaders are cool when they come with free internet everywhere all the time Feb 08 22:16:47 yeah got the wife 3G Feb 08 22:17:07 I'm debating between the same or color Feb 08 22:17:14 I've been happy with the wifi, but I don't bring it with me very much Feb 08 22:17:20 nook color saved my ass on a history test today Feb 08 22:17:30 browsing on eink is kind of slow and painful Feb 08 22:17:37 it's nice to have in my bag when I'm not carrying around my 5 pound laptop Feb 08 22:17:54 soultion: get a lighter laptop :) Feb 08 22:18:15 well the macbook pro 13" is 4 pounds Feb 08 22:18:29 torchie: has your apple internship started? Feb 08 22:18:33 I guess I'll get it if not for reading for android dev Feb 08 22:18:36 get the air, and send me the pro :) Feb 08 22:18:36 :( Feb 08 22:18:39 yeah I've finally got enough battery life now that I can forgo carrying the power cord Feb 08 22:19:37 then I'll get a webos tab for webos dev Feb 08 22:19:49 anyone use phone gap? Feb 08 22:19:58 Tibfib: my paid apple combined IRC promotion/internship job you mean? Feb 08 22:20:05 heil jobs Feb 08 22:20:31 in the last week my BF ordered both a Pixi and a Nook Color. he already has an iPhone (that I"m expected to be tech support for) so this should get interesting Feb 08 22:20:43 ;o Feb 08 22:21:43 torchie: yeah that one Feb 08 22:23:08 yeah they're paying me to extoll the virtues of having to connect to pc to use your device Feb 08 22:23:55 lol Feb 08 22:26:10 hello everyone Feb 08 22:27:56 ok bought the nookcolor Feb 08 22:28:08 what for? :) Feb 08 22:28:27 lol Feb 08 22:28:30 HattCzech_work: howdy Feb 08 22:28:42 hey Tibfib Feb 08 22:29:02 I thought it would look nice on my desk Feb 08 22:29:04 CTLAdvance: for hacking purposes? Feb 08 22:29:21 putting android on it/ Feb 08 22:29:22 book reading and android dev Feb 08 22:29:27 that's cool Feb 08 22:29:46 honeycomb Feb 08 22:29:50 i like the kindle a bit more, but obviously less development opportunities there Feb 08 22:30:30 well more for using phonegap across webos and android, ios etc Feb 08 22:30:35 i'm curious about the 100 phones that palm is giving away Feb 08 22:30:50 not a bad idea, CTLAdvance Feb 08 22:30:57 will get a webos tab I assume if I can flip the cost Feb 08 22:31:23 at 250 honeycomb, and wife only is ok Feb 08 22:31:23 wifi Feb 08 22:31:47 yeah, i want to see what all is coming out tomorrow Feb 08 22:31:49 pretether is good now Feb 08 22:31:54 or freetether Feb 08 22:31:55 it is indeed Feb 08 22:32:08 although i now have issues using my phone as a usb device Feb 08 22:32:17 I'd like to use nook color for android dev but I'm not sure if the device is right for honeycomb testing Feb 08 22:32:35 given its screen resolution Feb 08 22:32:49 anyone else had the usb issue? Feb 08 22:34:04 fuck my life Feb 08 22:34:11 why? Feb 08 22:34:12 I never seem to set the right time of day for the alarm Feb 08 22:34:31 was supposed to ring at 4:10 for the shoes in the washing machine today Feb 08 22:34:36 it is now 5:33 Feb 08 22:34:40 go to alarm Feb 08 22:34:43 it is set for 4:10 AM Feb 08 22:34:45 hmmm, that's no bueno Feb 08 22:34:48 I should switch to 24 hour clock Feb 08 22:34:51 ahhh, suck Feb 08 22:34:56 that's what i do Feb 08 22:35:08 (people think i'm weird for doing that) Feb 08 22:35:16 and for doing the date as yyyy-mm-dd Feb 08 22:35:20 I hope the 2.0 sdk is released tomorrow Feb 08 22:35:32 i hope lots of things are released tomorrow Feb 08 22:35:36 is it possible to change the lockscreen on a pre .. not the pattern or the color .. as in change it completely ? Feb 08 22:35:39 Tibfib: I hope the Enyo docs are awesome :) Feb 08 22:35:40 im looking for patches atm Feb 08 22:35:41 nothing Feb 08 22:35:50 * Tibfib wants to post the Koto source for others to hack on Feb 08 22:35:56 dohtem: heh, me too Feb 08 22:36:03 Josef_B: not that i am aware of Feb 08 22:36:24 Tibfib: webos101 is going to need to be redone too Feb 08 22:36:29 sigh Feb 08 22:36:34 haha Feb 08 22:36:42 hopefully the docs are a WIKI Feb 08 22:36:54 7dang Feb 08 22:37:01 s/7dang/dang Feb 08 22:37:02 hopefully 2.0 allows more flexibility Feb 08 22:38:36 i need to look over the whole contact information section when they ACTUALLY update stuff Feb 08 22:39:04 webos101 -> webos202 Feb 08 22:39:09 lol Feb 08 22:39:12 it should Feb 08 22:39:54 * dohtem is getting excited Feb 08 22:40:32 * PatrickC_Home is installing VLC Feb 08 22:40:33 I hope I can sell Koto tomorrow. It's ready Feb 08 22:40:42 whats Koto? Feb 08 22:40:45 lol Feb 08 22:41:04 http://kotoplayer.com Feb 08 22:41:06 Tibfib: where are you going to put the source? github or git.webos-internals.org ? Feb 08 22:41:14 oh good point Feb 08 22:41:22 Tibfib: What price point did you decide on? Feb 08 22:41:31 dohtem: $2.99 most likely Feb 08 22:41:44 why cant u release it now? Feb 08 22:41:52 2.0 only Feb 08 22:42:05 well, there are other 2.0 only apps out Feb 08 22:42:10 Voice Memos for webOS Feb 08 22:42:25 I will do that if I can't sell it tomorrow Feb 08 22:43:04 need a beta team? :) Feb 08 22:43:12 like a beta testing team.. lol Feb 08 22:43:13 rwhitby: hmm, what would you recommend? I want it to be easy for people to contribute Feb 08 22:43:21 PatrickC_Home: got enough, thanks though! Feb 08 22:43:29 lol ok Feb 08 22:43:44 Tibfib: I'd suggest github then, but you're welcome to host it on git.webos-internals.org if you choose. Feb 08 22:44:15 Awesome, thanks. I'll let you know Feb 08 22:44:40 +1 for github Feb 08 22:44:57 then I can watch and track changes Feb 08 22:45:12 brb Feb 08 22:45:18 sounds good Feb 08 22:45:45 yeah, I've been considering whether we should move stuff from git.webos-internals.org to github ... Feb 08 22:46:24 wait, if u post the source, then can people not re-create the app, and have it for free? Feb 08 22:46:32 im still new to coding lol Feb 08 22:46:45 yes they can Feb 08 22:47:00 but then why r u posting the source> Feb 08 22:47:10 PatrickC_Home: Tibfib has no business savvy. Feb 08 22:47:11 lol Feb 08 22:47:16 :) Feb 08 22:47:16 lol Feb 08 22:47:29 PatrickC_Home: you should just google why open source Feb 08 22:47:36 and find POSITIVE articles Feb 08 22:47:56 PatrickC_Home: open source is not incompatible with making money Feb 08 22:47:57 heh Feb 08 22:48:00 the only reason i would post my source, is to get help from people that actually know what they are doing :) Feb 08 22:48:45 i might do some open source, just to get some help Feb 08 22:48:55 if they want my app that bad, then they can have it :) Feb 08 22:49:07 most of my code is already on the forums :p Feb 08 22:49:08 brb Feb 08 22:49:24 * PatrickC_Home thinks its time for some DINNER! oh yea! :) Feb 08 22:49:31 I'd like to load some DVDs onto my palm. What's a good format to transcode down to? Feb 08 22:49:41 mp4? Feb 08 22:49:53 that is what my utube video's are saved in when i download them Feb 08 22:49:53 Is that... concise? Feb 08 22:50:12 so anyway .. being a n00b to webos .. im collecting lots of sites for my reading Feb 08 22:50:24 i noticed mypre.com dosent get a lot of attenion correct ? Feb 08 22:50:35 and isn't mp4 just a container? Presumably I should be choosing a video and audio codec. Feb 08 22:50:47 http://awesomeapps.weebly.com and http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com should be at the top of the list :) Feb 08 22:50:58 i dont know a lot about codec Feb 08 22:50:59 * Tibfib has never heard of mypre.com Feb 08 22:51:02 Josef_B: are you looking for stuff on webOS development or just general fan news? Feb 08 22:51:11 * PatrickC_Home neither have i Feb 08 22:51:17 brb dinner time Feb 08 22:51:20 dohtem everything .. blogs / news / websites / everything .. stuff i can look at Feb 08 22:52:54 PreCentral is good enough. I also like webosroundup.com. I think thats it really Feb 08 22:53:45 webosworld.com Feb 08 22:54:02 anyone tried that crosstalk app ? Feb 08 22:58:08 nope Feb 08 22:58:21 I want a wifi app installer... just sayin Feb 08 23:00:16 I bet palm is crazy happy there haven't been any more leaks. And since the response by hp ("Think Again"), the tablet leaks aren't as significant (at least in my mind) Feb 08 23:01:31 yeah, they pretty much confirmed multiple times that tablets would be coming Feb 08 23:02:10 not to mention all the palm employees seem to be giddy in here and on twitter Feb 08 23:02:27 yeah. tomorrow should be good Feb 08 23:02:48 #thinkbeyond starts at 10am PST, right? Feb 08 23:03:05 yes Feb 08 23:08:32 I just read that somebody backed out of the developer announcement meeting tomorrow and that a slot was made available. Is it still? Feb 08 23:09:13 noooo clue Feb 08 23:09:52 There is someone from the palm dev relations team here, right? Feb 08 23:10:14 I don't think so Feb 08 23:10:30 email or forums is probably your best bet Feb 08 23:10:31 Ah. Thanks. Feb 08 23:11:03 I got the IRC info from the palm dev relations team website :-p Feb 08 23:11:09 there's a specific address for event planning. email that address. Feb 08 23:11:32 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379621,00.asp -- Speculation on tomorrow's announcement Feb 08 23:11:42 richip: dev relations hangs out in here every once in a while. Feb 08 23:12:09 dev relations don't handle the event planning though Feb 08 23:12:30 good point Feb 08 23:13:39 Thanks. I'll try to find the right "channel". Going to be tough to get a flight now, though Feb 08 23:14:32 best so far Feb 08 23:14:33 http://www.precentral.net/palm-hero-working-date Feb 08 23:24:29 http://www.precentral.net/pixi-overclock-900mhz-possible-and-coming-soon Feb 08 23:24:33 900mhz? Feb 08 23:25:19 fudge_: no Feb 08 23:25:45 lol i thought so Feb 08 23:26:03 i got hyped when i saw 900 but thought it was too good to be true :P Feb 08 23:28:41 any more overclocks coming for the pixi? Feb 08 23:29:39 no Feb 08 23:30:20 k Feb 08 23:34:32 'afternoon #webos! Feb 08 23:35:11 Will anybody that is going to the Palm event tomorrow evening be commuting up from the South Bay by Cal Train? Feb 08 23:36:45 stupid twitter Feb 08 23:37:29 man Feb 08 23:37:32 asked for xauth for my sample app for my library, and they gave me 1weeks worth of access.. guess ill release it without the keys and in order to test it out you'll just have to apply for access on your own Feb 08 23:37:35 i thought the touchstone would come with my pre Feb 08 23:37:40 i think only sprint does that Feb 08 23:37:42 SineOt: yes i made stickers Feb 08 23:37:48 mine didnt come with one Feb 08 23:37:52 i bought mine Feb 08 23:38:04 dawm|laptop: what would it cost to get a one off custom? :o Feb 08 23:38:20 Josef_B: none of them do, on any carrier, unless it's part of a special limited time bundle Feb 08 23:38:21 depends on dimensions really Feb 08 23:38:45 but Pre+/Pre2 both come with the Touchstone -back- stock, so it's not an extra purchase Feb 08 23:38:54 I dunno, maybe 4x4? Feb 08 23:40:53 shoot me an email -> info@st1ck3rs.com Feb 08 23:40:56 so i dont forget Feb 08 23:42:37 hah, well-I will once I actually have a design done Feb 08 23:42:45 until then I don't really know what the final size will be Feb 08 23:42:56 k Feb 08 23:43:09 currently i have pink, blue, black, white, silver (metallic) and red Feb 08 23:43:27 would probably do it in either blue or white Feb 08 23:45:21 dawm|laptop: mind if I bug you for a custom sticker as well? Feb 08 23:45:29 I'm glad to see even Nokia's CEO is admitting to how terrible the company has been for the last few years :p Feb 08 23:45:36 email info@st1ck3rs.com :) Feb 08 23:45:44 that way i can get back to you Feb 08 23:45:58 "We thought MeeGo would be a platform for winning high-end smartphones. However, at this rate, by the end of 2011, we might have only one MeeGo product in the market." Feb 08 23:48:26 At this rate, MeeGo and by proxy Maemo have only shipped on a total of I think 4 devices... Even though having been in development for 6 years. Feb 08 23:49:04 yeah it's not moved very quickly Feb 08 23:49:25 * Mousey is convinced meego/maemo has been marketed all wrongly Feb 08 23:49:52 Marketing them wrongly implies that they ever got marketed at all Feb 08 23:52:58 MeeGo isn't that bad as a tablet interface, I don't think, from the time that I played with it on my netbook. Feb 08 23:53:07 dawm|laptop: Ok. I will. Thanks! Feb 08 23:53:31 But it still had a ton of issues. OSX on my netbook runs better and with fewer problems than MeeGo did, and they advertise that the Wind U100 is a "tested platform" Feb 08 23:54:04 ok so i released my xAuth/OAuth twitter library Feb 08 23:54:25 http://bit.ly/eCfU3t Feb 08 23:55:57 dawm|laptop: the "library" folder doesn't contain a sources.json, is that on purpose? Feb 08 23:56:14 sure Feb 08 23:56:25 i can add one if ya want Feb 08 23:56:37 but the sample app explains pretty much everything Feb 08 23:56:44 I would if I were you... Feb 08 23:56:53 oh doh, i think the sample app still does random tweets Feb 08 23:57:18 lol Feb 08 23:57:25 hah yah it does ;p Feb 08 23:58:16 dawm|laptop: haha, I always grin when I see line 71-73 in apps https://github.com/dawm/xTwitter/blob/master/sampleApplication/src/app/assistants/main-assistant.js :) Feb 08 23:58:33 with the comment I added Feb 08 23:58:41 SO Feb 08 23:58:47 gotta respect the source :P Feb 08 23:58:52 i just did a rookie move on the phone app Feb 08 23:58:56 direct copy paste Feb 08 23:59:05 dawm|laptop: hah, it's supposed to be used. that's why it is on webos101! Feb 08 23:59:11 i mistook the red key for the pound key Feb 08 23:59:13 click! Feb 08 23:59:17 the sources.json Feb 08 23:59:21 I noticed carbon did it too. direct copy and paste Feb 08 23:59:23 just include the library files? Feb 08 23:59:32 yeah Feb 08 23:59:34 k Feb 08 23:59:41 just have comments... add this to your sources.json at Feb 08 23:59:43 bbl Feb 09 00:00:44 comments are not allowed in json :P Feb 09 00:00:50 it breaks 2.0 Feb 09 00:03:33 Tibfib: added :) Feb 09 00:16:54 rwhitby: thanks for pointing me to github, never thought i'd use it. but now i am :P Feb 09 00:21:14 dawm: well yeahhh... It's supposed to be a snippet Feb 09 00:22:32 i figured id leave it since its a demo app Feb 09 00:22:39 makes sense if they know why its there Feb 09 00:22:53 cause it doesnt look like its a real function Feb 09 00:23:51 how is xAuth different from OAuth? Feb 09 00:23:57 you should be able to plug in your key/secret and the sample app should work just dandy Feb 09 00:24:00 its still oauth Feb 09 00:24:21 its just an added thing twitter came up with to bypass the whole webpage/pin thing Feb 09 00:24:29 geared toward mobile apps Feb 09 00:24:39 gotcja Feb 09 00:24:43 gotcha* Feb 09 00:25:11 xAuth provides a way for desktop and mobile applications to exchange a username and password for an OAuth access token. Once the access token is retrieved, xAuth-enabled developers should dispose of the login and password corresponding to the user. Feb 09 00:25:19 shelly dropped her pixi in the ocean today. No pixi's available through Asurion, so she's getting a Pre... Feb 09 00:25:36 basically its an express lane to oauth access token Feb 09 00:26:01 all the user supplies is username/pass Feb 09 00:26:24 no getting sent to a twitter webpage, clicking a button, then using a pin or what have you Feb 09 00:29:04 http://www.reynoldsftw.com/2010/03/using-xauth-an-alternate-oauth-from-twitter/ -- some Googling got me here, great explanation Feb 09 00:29:19 there is an xauth thats similar to oauth Feb 09 00:29:30 but twitters xauth is just oauth+xtra Feb 09 00:33:10 guys Feb 09 00:33:17 i noticed some of you are just in this chan Feb 09 00:33:19 so i will ask here Feb 09 00:33:23 what are you reommendations on theems Feb 09 00:33:30 i found some nice ones on webos quick install Feb 09 00:33:40 * EvaDragus doesn't use themes. Feb 09 00:34:16 k Feb 09 00:35:01 hey dohtem great find, i added it to the readme Feb 09 00:35:23 np Feb 09 00:35:46 between that link and your explanation, I finally get it Feb 09 00:37:08 my sample app has a auth scene that looks pretty much like the twitter auth website, not required but included it for the piece of mind of the user Feb 09 00:39:32 * haeffb_ found it curious that Asurion has no Sprint Pixi's but they do have Pre's Feb 09 00:39:39 oh yah? Feb 09 00:39:46 mine really could use a replacing Feb 09 00:39:57 just didnt want them to give me a droid Feb 09 00:40:18 wife's pixi took a swim today & they're shipping a Pre overnight Feb 09 00:40:30 nice Feb 09 00:40:33 protip: cell phones & salt water are not a good mix. Feb 09 00:40:56 nice, but for $7/month plus $100...not really a bargain. Feb 09 00:41:19 bbl Feb 09 01:38:37 wow... I suppose this isn't too rare, but I started coding and forgot that I had bought a sandwich to eat. Two hours later, I am eating... Feb 09 01:38:58 I guess this is what happens when you try to prepare for a big event.. Feb 09 01:44:09 lol Feb 09 01:44:14 i sorta did that last night Feb 09 01:44:32 put some pretzels in a bowl and forgot it on top of the fridge Feb 09 01:45:28 I blame my laptop. It was hiding the sandwich. Feb 09 01:52:29 odd.. firefox stopped accepting drag&drop.. ill try restarting Feb 09 01:53:24 meh, its ff, what do you expect? Feb 09 01:53:26 nvm Feb 09 01:53:29 yah i know Feb 09 01:53:37 should be renamed to memoryhog Feb 09 02:05:39 * halfhalo is going to be bored in class today... Feb 09 02:07:07 really hope theres a spot in first class open tomorrow so i can get bumped up ;P Feb 09 02:12:24 Adora: we see you... Feb 09 02:25:34 just 15:36 left until the big show, and 24:36 left to the big dev event Feb 09 02:26:11 woo Feb 09 02:26:28 that's a large amount of time between events Feb 09 02:26:39 have to get the press smell out Feb 09 02:26:50 j/k they are at the evening event too Feb 09 02:27:11 mattsmcnulty: do you have pre-press event routine you do ? Feb 09 02:27:20 lol Feb 09 02:27:37 yes. I practice and pack for barcelona Feb 09 02:28:36 they gotta change their wardrobe Feb 09 02:29:13 sounds like a good routine Feb 09 02:29:20 * rwhitby leaks a screenshot: http://bit.ly/webos-voip-client Feb 09 02:29:38 sweet Feb 09 02:29:49 mattsmcnulty: re your question yesterday, no I won't be at Feb9 Feb 09 02:29:57 that's too bad Feb 09 02:30:06 mattsmcnulty: but am hoping to get a slot at OSCON later in the year Feb 09 02:40:00 * halfhalo will be watching engadget like a hawk tomorrow Feb 09 02:41:00 with my credit card ready, of course Feb 09 02:43:14 how much are you willing to spend ? Feb 09 02:44:41 ok Feb 09 02:45:20 you mean after you spend $799 plus a month of verizon on your xoom you mean? Feb 09 02:45:31 so do alarms just not Feb 09 02:45:32 ring Feb 09 02:45:36 on the same day you set them Feb 09 02:45:37 or what Feb 09 02:45:57 I set an alarm for the dryer to ring 40 minutes later Feb 09 02:46:19 and was listening to music from the phone the whole time... Feb 09 02:46:31 not on koto ... Feb 09 02:47:01 oh wait nvm Feb 09 02:47:01 it waw Feb 09 02:47:02 s off Feb 09 02:47:18 when alarms are off, you are correct - they do not ring Feb 09 02:47:51 brilliant! Feb 09 02:50:10 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/02/09/0037210/CouchOne-Membase-Merge-Form-NoSQL-Powerhouse - interesting Feb 09 02:52:42 I like sql Feb 09 02:54:44 hey mattsmcnulty Feb 09 02:54:52 hello Feb 09 02:54:55 you looking forward to tomorrow, heh? Feb 09 02:55:10 I am very much looking forward to tomorrow at around 7:35pm Feb 09 02:55:28 lol Feb 09 02:55:28 planning on running over then? ;p Feb 09 02:55:40 mattsmcnulty: best of luck to you and everyone at palm tomorrow Feb 09 02:55:44 thanks Feb 09 02:56:05 kick names and take ass Feb 09 02:58:38 and chew bubblegum Feb 09 02:58:54 and pick up chicks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 09 02:59:57 2011