**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 09 02:59:57 2011 Feb 09 03:02:31 * halfhalo is debating what to get for dinner in... 2 hours Feb 09 03:02:38 burritos Feb 09 03:02:53 Thats what I was thinking Feb 09 03:03:05 but there is also an innout across the street from taco bell Feb 09 03:03:13 hmmm Feb 09 03:03:16 In 'n Out Feb 09 03:03:21 although I wouldn't really call taco bell food... but I like it Feb 09 03:03:31 no chipotle ? Feb 09 03:03:49 thats on the other side of campus and I will be dammed if I want to wait in that line Feb 09 03:03:57 although that sounds like lunch tomorrow Feb 09 03:04:12 oh the lines are pretty long, huh ? Feb 09 03:04:30 its across the street from a university Feb 09 03:05:27 * halfhalo goes to make fun of people on forums behind their back Feb 09 03:05:48 I mean... moderate! Feb 09 03:07:19 anyone watching the palmcast? anyone's super laggy? Feb 09 03:07:31 * halfhalo isn't since he is in class Feb 09 03:10:55 unwatchable :( Feb 09 03:11:22 Tibfib: working fine here across the pacific Feb 09 03:11:31 hmm, lemme see if someone is hogging the wifis Feb 09 03:12:53 i hate developer websites that dont have links to the app cat Feb 09 03:13:04 looks like my internet just sucks Feb 09 03:13:36 Adora: we should do PalmCast chat in here, for the select few ;) Feb 09 03:13:44 word Feb 09 03:13:56 I still say it's a toasting progress indicator Feb 09 03:14:09 * halfhalo would buy it Feb 09 03:14:57 Adora: are you in the room? Feb 09 03:15:19 yeah, devrel just rolled in like a bunch of rockstars Feb 09 03:15:29 rockstars! Feb 09 03:15:38 Uns uns uns. Feb 09 03:15:53 ah, that was the reference to the people in the back who can't answer the question Feb 09 03:16:13 bieberphone Feb 09 03:16:31 Palm Beaver? Feb 09 03:17:04 I want to see unlocked versions too. Feb 09 03:17:13 ooh ill get the jetsetter badge ;D Feb 09 03:17:42 unlocked toasters are the only way to go Feb 09 03:19:45 wow, audience participation on the palmcast Feb 09 03:21:11 the chat is like a mile a minute Feb 09 03:21:23 yeah, it's unusable Feb 09 03:22:21 My Pre2 never freezes Feb 09 03:22:42 always toasty? Feb 09 03:22:47 more evidence for a webOS toaster tomorrow Feb 09 03:23:00 Adora: nice scream Feb 09 03:23:04 HAHA Feb 09 03:23:11 rwhitby: stfu =] Feb 09 03:23:13 are you guys actually at the podcast ? Feb 09 03:23:20 yeah, really here Feb 09 03:23:21 * oil is listening Feb 09 03:23:21 i heard them clapping for people in the back Feb 09 03:23:31 picture should be hitting the twitters in a minute Feb 09 03:23:39 * halfhalo wants a recording of it Feb 09 03:24:20 * Adora sticks her fingers in her ears every time they say the L-word Feb 09 03:25:24 locomotive? Feb 09 03:25:29 lol Feb 09 03:26:16 Lozenge? Feb 09 03:26:35 Lasagna! Feb 09 03:26:55 heckling by Adora :) Feb 09 03:27:02 XD Feb 09 03:27:23 I might have just come from the bar.... Feb 09 03:27:31 little bit excited Feb 09 03:28:02 ...about everything I don't know =] Feb 09 03:28:02 haha Feb 09 03:29:24 Adora: ask Derek about unified timelines in Twitter ... ;) Feb 09 03:29:50 HEY! don't you go dissin' Preware's attractiveness! Feb 09 03:29:58 lol Feb 09 03:31:47 too many backchannels, I'm not paying any attention to what Dieter and Derek are saying Feb 09 03:31:57 lol Feb 09 03:32:01 they called preware ugly Feb 09 03:32:08 what? Feb 09 03:32:09 srsly? Feb 09 03:32:12 haha Feb 09 03:32:19 Dieter's so getting cut off Feb 09 03:32:23 he doesn't even know Feb 09 03:32:37 when i said they, i meant derek Feb 09 03:32:44 :) Feb 09 03:35:12 Adora: say g'day to Josh for me - he won't see it in the chat Feb 09 03:37:38 rwhitby: will do Feb 09 03:38:02 Adora: BTW, I put in a proposal for OSCON in Portland Feb 09 03:38:21 Adora: and I'm synced up with Greg on it Feb 09 03:38:24 * oil is driving range from portland Feb 09 03:38:28 ROCK Feb 09 03:38:31 could get there in an afternoon Feb 09 03:40:07 PGBU Central Feb 09 03:40:18 stumptown coffee and voodoo donuts Feb 09 03:40:35 http://flic.kr/p/9gMnN6 is a small room Feb 09 03:43:45 hello friends! Feb 09 03:44:31 meow Feb 09 03:44:52 Shortest. PalmCast. Ever. Feb 09 03:45:33 probably due to crowd Feb 09 03:46:52 mehhh i learned nothing from it Feb 09 03:47:00 do you normally? Feb 09 03:47:33 hehe now that i think of it no not really Feb 09 03:47:40 heh Feb 09 03:47:57 * rwhitby only attends them to spruik Feb 09 03:48:37 * oil googles weird australian word Feb 09 03:48:56 * Tibfib waits for oil to tell us what it means Feb 09 03:49:00 promote Feb 09 03:49:09 Australia promote: to promote goods, services, or a cause by addressing people in a public place ( humorous ) Feb 09 03:49:11 yeah i looked it up too Feb 09 03:49:19 promote with humor Feb 09 03:49:21 lol Feb 09 03:49:22 lol Feb 09 03:49:29 * Tibfib gives oil a cookie Feb 09 03:49:39 * oil waits for fedex to show up with it Feb 09 03:49:54 haha Feb 09 03:49:57 * Tibfib accidentally eats cookie Feb 09 03:50:04 actually, time for dinner Feb 09 03:50:21 using dinnah, rwhitbys resturaunt locator app Feb 09 03:50:27 xD Feb 09 03:52:30 oil: no, it's called Tuckah Feb 09 03:56:30 http://blog.paschar.com/post/2011/02/08/Facebook-Connect-SDK-for-WebOS.aspx Feb 09 03:56:30 =) Feb 09 03:56:54 anybody? Feb 09 04:01:34 torchie Feb 09 04:01:42 nyceane Feb 09 04:01:46 should you be sharing your app id and secret? Feb 09 04:03:40 dohtem: I wonder how the iPhone apps do it? I wonder if they hard code their id and secret in there too Feb 09 04:04:28 dohtem: heh I didn't see the screenshot though, if that's a real id and secret that's even worse than embedding it into an app Feb 09 04:07:12 hm? what's up? Feb 09 04:08:23 dohtem, where am i sharing my secret? Feb 09 04:08:30 appid can be found just by going to the iste Feb 09 04:08:36 i dont think i m sharing my secret anywhere.. am i? Feb 09 04:08:44 http://blog.paschar.com/image.axd?picture=2011%2f2%2fwebos_facebook_app_page.png Feb 09 04:08:44 oh crap Feb 09 04:08:52 yeah, your screenshot has your app secret Feb 09 04:09:07 whoops Feb 09 04:10:16 lol Feb 09 04:10:30 ok, just changed it Feb 09 04:12:13 do you guys like it? Feb 09 04:12:36 hey, SineOts back Feb 09 04:12:52 yes Feb 09 04:13:15 my gift for palm before their event =D Feb 09 04:15:36 https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1872&Itemid=244#.activate does this not work for dashboards? Feb 09 04:15:57 well, ttyl =) Feb 09 04:16:02 gota go Feb 09 04:16:20 whoops, didn't test it right... lemme see if it actually works Feb 09 04:16:54 * halfhalo yawns Feb 09 04:17:53 Dangit. Feb 09 04:17:56 doesn't look like it works Feb 09 04:17:59 shoooot Feb 09 04:18:07 Tibfib: yeah, i dont think it works Feb 09 04:18:19 its just open or closed Feb 09 04:18:29 lame sauce. now how to do my alarms... Feb 09 04:18:43 maybe a popup with three options.. snooze, dismiss, continue? Feb 09 04:18:48 what are you trying to do with activate? Feb 09 04:18:49 continue launches dashboard of songs.. Feb 09 04:18:56 oil: fake a dashboard as a popup Feb 09 04:19:50 the two have very different uses Feb 09 04:20:41 * halfhalo keeps mum Feb 09 04:27:27 whoosh! Feb 09 04:27:38 haha Feb 09 04:33:14 hey guys! Feb 09 04:33:36 they kicked me out of cafe Feb 09 04:36:20 tris Feb 09 04:36:24 where is SFBA? Feb 09 04:42:02 =| Feb 09 04:42:05 no one here? Feb 09 04:45:14 * oil is Feb 09 04:45:33 i m bored... after creating this =| Feb 09 04:45:41 I m wondering what else I should blog about Feb 09 04:45:55 and I am having a hard time raising $7,500 =| Feb 09 04:46:05 without that money I can't attend TED2012 =( Feb 09 04:47:31 Hello, how do we request to be an alpha tester for Linphone Feb 09 04:47:48 what is Linphone? Feb 09 04:47:50 rwhitby: will pm you Feb 09 04:48:05 ok thanks Feb 09 04:48:11 mamouton: who's your SIP provider? Feb 09 04:48:37 sipgate gizmo5 and let me find the other one Feb 09 04:52:12 Just came back from a JavaScript meetup group happy hour, and naturally the topic of webOS comes up, so I start to explain the platform to them and they love the concept. Why the hell can't HP/Palm sell this to web devs? Hopefully that starts to change tomorrow. Feb 09 04:54:33 mamouton: any webOS version from 1.4.0 onwards Feb 09 04:56:51 dgathright: Ben and Dion did a lot of that. Trying to show web devs how easy it was to develop for webOS. Feb 09 04:57:22 marketing probably wont let them say "webos is basically a browser, your app is a tab" Feb 09 04:57:45 "dont think ios webapps though, they get deep access to the hardware" Feb 09 04:57:50 that should sell any web dev Feb 09 04:58:10 people hear webapps and think they suck because of apple Feb 09 04:58:25 sigh Feb 09 04:58:39 thats how i feel about it anyways :) Feb 09 04:58:55 yeah, and if I wasn't already sold on the platform before seeing them talk, I would have been at that time. It just seems like everytime I talk to web devs they get really excited about the platform. An "OMG I had no idea!" revelation. Feb 09 05:00:03 ;o Feb 09 05:02:24 i think indie devs have pretty much championed this platform more than anything Feb 09 05:03:44 what if tomorrow hp just says "we are gona drop WebOS" Feb 09 05:03:45 =( Feb 09 05:03:58 when i got the pre, it was because i didn't want apple/att evilness, android felt unfinished Feb 09 05:03:59 damn Feb 09 05:04:04 worst announcement ever :( Feb 09 05:04:10 and that i could write js and have it run on my phone was just awesome Feb 09 05:04:26 hp gets on stage Feb 09 05:04:31 I got my Pre cause I heard oil was developing for webOS ... Feb 09 05:04:37 haha Feb 09 05:04:40 "we are leaving the mobile space" Feb 09 05:04:46 ... Feb 09 05:04:55 "...and going into OUTER SPACE" Feb 09 05:04:56 any alarms experts in the chat this evening? Feb 09 05:04:57 WEBOS Feb 09 05:04:59 actually rwhitby, i think our first contact was disagreement Feb 09 05:05:00 now on Feb 09 05:05:01 SPACESHIPS Feb 09 05:05:19 oil: never Feb 09 05:05:24 yeah Feb 09 05:05:28 in the secret pc dev forum Feb 09 05:05:30 oil: you're confusing me with PuffTheMagic Feb 09 05:05:48 haha Feb 09 05:05:52 when there was just pc web-interface for finding homebrew Feb 09 05:05:55 heh, I got interested in webOS because they dropped the fee to join the developer program. Feb 09 05:06:02 * dohtem is a cheapskate Feb 09 05:06:08 and i was like "im going to code this into my app so i can tell my users there are updates" Feb 09 05:06:21 and you're like "no, on-device installers are the wins" Feb 09 05:06:34 and like telling me i shouldnt do it Feb 09 05:06:36 lol Feb 09 05:06:48 actually, it started when it was first a yahoo group before hte forum Feb 09 05:06:55 ah, yeah. see, I was right ;) Feb 09 05:07:04 lol Feb 09 05:07:22 except that then filecoaster and quick install came out and were like "no, we're not going to list apps that have updates for them" Feb 09 05:07:36 and i was in the position of "if you want it done right, do it yourself" Feb 09 05:07:38 :) Feb 09 05:07:57 there was an update to fileCoaster just the other day Feb 09 05:08:03 so i hit up rick and was like "where can i help on this preware project" Feb 09 05:08:14 and hes like "anywhere, we just got design docs, no code" Feb 09 05:08:18 lol Feb 09 05:08:23 i saw that haha Feb 09 05:08:43 and then you realised that no-one in WebOS Internals knew anything about Javascript Feb 09 05:08:44 "this preware project" huh Feb 09 05:08:57 haha Feb 09 05:09:04 this was in early 09? Feb 09 05:09:06 no, the service was there, in java Feb 09 05:09:10 and you've been regretting that decision ever since ... Feb 09 05:09:17 and there were 2 different javascript front ends Feb 09 05:09:26 both just a single scene with buttons doing nothing Feb 09 05:09:37 EvaDragus: wat up? Feb 09 05:09:45 oil: as I said, no-one knew anything about JavaScript ;) Feb 09 05:09:53 haha Feb 09 05:10:44 I think it's fair to say that there are at least 4 people who can say "without me, Preware would have never got off the ground" Feb 09 05:10:51 haha Feb 09 05:11:01 brb Feb 09 05:11:04 heh, thanks for all the awesome work guys Feb 09 05:11:07 I can say it. Wouldn't be true, but that rarely stops me. Feb 09 05:11:09 :D Feb 09 05:15:00 rwhitby, ? Feb 09 05:16:29 haeffb_: so, can you just pass a Date object to the at/in of the alarm service request or does it have to be that specific string as in the docs? Feb 09 05:16:42 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1584&Itemid=20 Feb 09 05:16:42 PuffTheMagic: you do any SIP stuff? Feb 09 05:17:03 far as I know it has to be that string format Feb 09 05:17:12 which is kinda dumb. like lists. Feb 09 05:17:18 yeah, that is dumb Feb 09 05:17:39 I haven't looked at the code, though. Feb 09 05:17:52 so, then, how do you tell if it's euro or US date formatting Feb 09 05:17:54 erg Feb 09 05:17:56 yes, it has to be that string format. Can you believe MM/DD/YYYY in an API that is used globally? Feb 09 05:18:15 rwhitby: yeah, that is dumb, too Feb 09 05:18:27 wait, the event is 10am tomorrow? Feb 09 05:19:27 it says 6pm on mine wtf Feb 09 05:20:40 nyceane: it happened a couple of hours ago in my timezone Feb 09 05:20:56 too bad rwhitby is under NDA. Feb 09 05:21:13 no, I can tell you about it. Feb 09 05:21:24 ??????????? Feb 09 05:21:31 but you're interacting with the electrons that I typed yesterday Feb 09 05:21:52 frickin' time travel stuff always leaves me confused. Feb 09 05:21:52 internet is hella slow in au Feb 09 05:22:09 - Each registered guest must collect their badge in person upon check-in at the event by providing government-issued photo ID. Collecting badges on behalf of a colleague is not permitted. Feb 09 05:22:11 the stuff I'm typing now won't reach you until your tomorrow Feb 09 05:22:13 it's usually a good idea to avoid time travel if you can Feb 09 05:22:17 Thank you for registering for the HP webOS developer presentation and reception this Wednesday evening, February 9. The response from our community has been tremendous and we are especially excited to introduce all of you to our extended HP family. Feb 09 05:22:26 I thought it was evening... Feb 09 05:22:31 nyceane: dev event vs press event Feb 09 05:22:33 they have a day event that I don't know about it? Feb 09 05:22:35 oooh Feb 09 05:22:45 press event during the day and dev event at night? Feb 09 05:22:48 only special people get invited to the press evnet Feb 09 05:22:54 dev event is the party Feb 09 05:22:59 I thought I was special =( Feb 09 05:23:04 lol Feb 09 05:23:26 I run a tech blog! Feb 09 05:23:27 hey! Feb 09 05:23:30 they have a special bus for the press event too Feb 09 05:23:38 * haeffb_ crosses fingers that Sprint is still in. Feb 09 05:23:53 please please please sprint Feb 09 05:24:01 my Pre - battery is starting to not hold a charge very well...Sprint needs a new webOS phone Feb 09 05:24:10 I'm on my fourth pre Feb 09 05:24:19 batterys $4 on amazon Feb 09 05:24:23 EvaDragus: you could buy a new battery for about $4 Feb 09 05:24:28 and this one's got a blown speaker and scratched to hell everything ever Feb 09 05:24:44 rwhitby: well, I could...but I'd rather a new phone :D Feb 09 05:24:48 I can send you a battery with a pink water strip Feb 09 05:25:02 I also have a Plus and a 2 to snake a battery from Feb 09 05:25:04 this really sucks hell, i need to make my tech blog so popular that I get invited to press events too Feb 09 05:25:06 strangely, the phone strip is still white... Feb 09 05:25:19 did RoyPre101 get in? Feb 09 05:25:23 ...but the phone is completely hosed and the battery is still good. Feb 09 05:25:24 he runs webos101 Feb 09 05:25:29 nah, he's not special enough Feb 09 05:25:34 damn... Feb 09 05:25:37 =| Feb 09 05:25:38 =( Feb 09 05:25:42 (actually, he did I think) Feb 09 05:26:28 you guys wana know what's so funny? I applied for a press pass for Google I/O Feb 09 05:26:45 this is the response I got Feb 09 05:26:45 Thank you for contacting us about press registration for Google I/O 2011. Unfortunately, we have a very limited number of press passes this year and we are not able to accommodate every request. While general registration is now sold out, you will still be able to participate virtually as we plan to live stream keynotes as well as some of the sessions. Be sure to check the Google I/O website for more information as we get closer to May 10. Feb 09 05:27:01 lol Feb 09 05:37:41 rwhitby, on occasion Feb 09 06:16:19 OMG ITS ALREADY 9 FEB ON THE EAST COAST Feb 09 06:44:36 * halfhalo left his laptop charger at work.... crap Feb 09 06:44:56 Time to macguyver it Feb 09 06:45:12 at least.... i home its at work Feb 09 06:45:31 Eh, I have another touchy one I'm using Feb 09 07:36:22 Hi Feb 09 07:36:53 I am ready to test SIP on my pre. How can I become a alpha tester? Feb 09 07:43:46 howdy Feb 09 07:44:52 anyone here drivin up to the WOR event tmrw morn? Feb 09 07:51:37 linuxq: what sip provider are you using? Feb 09 08:42:27 Hi, anyone here, who can get me on the "linphone alpha test" ? Feb 09 08:43:03 rwhitby-pre can Feb 09 08:43:05 I have sip servers at home and at the office and would love to test it. Feb 09 08:43:41 thanks oil. He tweeted to ask for it in the chat. Feb 09 08:43:55 linuxq: #webos-internals Feb 09 08:44:06 but if you say his name it beeps and alerts him to you :) Feb 09 08:44:22 * ajay_ oh nanana, whats my name, whats mah name Feb 09 08:44:24 like if you go into the bathroom and turn off the lights and stare in the mirror and say "rod whitby" 3 times Feb 09 08:44:31 he will appear behind you Feb 09 08:44:40 * ajay_ is NOT going to try that Feb 09 08:44:43 I hope not Feb 09 08:44:47 haha Feb 09 08:45:05 :) ok, haven`t used irc a lot - thank Feb 09 08:45:09 holy crap i think it worked! he appeared! Feb 09 08:45:41 aaarrgh!! Feb 09 08:46:11 don't ever do that again! Feb 09 08:47:48 like that southpark episode Feb 09 08:47:56 where they keep doing it to biggie smalls Feb 09 08:48:17 and he was getting pissed off because he couldnt get to satans birthday party because he keept getting zapped into kids bathrooms Feb 09 08:48:24 Thanks & bye. I will join #webos-internals Feb 09 09:15:45 good night/morning sleepyheads! Feb 09 13:01:42 waitin' Feb 09 13:15:59 afternoon Feb 09 13:21:31 waitin' Feb 09 13:49:01 zzzZZZZZ Feb 09 14:09:34 the two countdown timers i've seen for todays event are both wrong in my browser .. the precentral countdown is saying the event is at 2pm eastern.. and the one at palm.com is saying 12noon .. :( Feb 09 14:09:47 neither of them could get it right with 1pm eastern countdown time Feb 09 14:11:25 i've heard that the event starts at 10am but information won't be available until it's over at 12noon Feb 09 14:11:28 who knows Feb 09 14:20:44 what does the counter at palm.com show for you ? Feb 09 14:20:59 5:40 left Feb 09 14:21:26 blablubb: does that align up with the correct time for the announcement ? Feb 09 14:21:59 in germany its 9pm then Feb 09 14:22:06 precentral says 7pm Feb 09 14:22:17 sorry, silly question - of course it doesn't .. Feb 09 14:22:31 * haeffb__ wonders if I plug the salt-water laden pixi in to USB if I can get files off it... Feb 09 14:22:44 perhaps they will publish the information officially 2 hours later Feb 09 14:22:49 haeffb__: did you let it dry completely ? Feb 09 14:22:55 4:38 left Feb 09 14:23:17 yeah, it's dry. but the salt has effed things up Feb 09 14:23:35 that'll do it :( Feb 09 14:23:59 crack it open and try to get rid of all the salt deposits ? Feb 09 14:32:05 I think it's beyond that point. Feb 09 14:32:16 what's the method for forcing USB mode? Feb 09 14:32:37 ok Feb 09 14:32:45 rubbing alcohol and hydrogen peroxide Feb 09 14:32:49 70:30 Feb 09 14:32:59 use cuetips Feb 09 14:36:50 whoa. it's booting... Feb 09 14:38:59 btw, the answer is power + volume up Feb 09 14:42:40 yay! copying data to pc. Feb 09 14:46:33 3 more hours Feb 09 15:04:49 Hello everyone, I am a current Pre- owner, but my company (who subsidizes my cell phone) is moving to Verizon and mandating iPhones. Needless to say I am extremely disappointed. Tomorrow my Sprint Pre will no longer receive service. I know I can keep using my Pre with Wifi, but is there a way to continue to get updates like 2.0 without a cellular provider? Feb 09 15:06:43 beerhead500: Not sure. You might need to get dev doctors for that. Maybe sign up for the dev program Feb 09 15:11:39 Thanks for the quick response funkatron. I haven't had to Doctor my phone in a while, but as I understand it, once Doctored to 2.0 I would be prompted to sign in again. Without being able to add a Wifi location, this probably wouldn't work. Feb 09 15:12:00 there are ways to bypass activation Feb 09 15:12:10 I think there are even instructions on the palm dev site Feb 09 15:12:30 It would try and register to my Palm Profile using the cell data connection. Feb 09 15:13:11 i wish there were ways to swap SIM card without a device wipe Feb 09 15:14:10 Will check it out now. Feb 09 15:17:52 Found it: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 Thanks funkatron... Looks like if I go this route, I can never get into my Palm Profile, so all my purchased apps will be gone. Feb 09 15:18:04 probably, yeah 8D Feb 09 15:18:06 err 8( Feb 09 15:18:23 you might be able to back them up in advance Feb 09 15:18:37 using the preware backup thingy. I think you'd have to ask smarter people than me Feb 09 15:30:44 Ideally, I was thinking it would work like this. Backup with Preware, I can also connect to the root and do a full device backup, then follow the Patch webOS Bypassing Activation http://bit.ly/936QL Feb 09 15:32:17 why would you have to activate again after a doctor? Feb 09 15:32:27 just sign on to your profile again (over wifi) Feb 09 15:32:35 i have a cdma-phone here in europe Feb 09 15:32:41 using it over wifi all the time Feb 09 15:32:44 Can anyone verify that those Bypassing Activation instructions from webOSInternals are still accurate Feb 09 15:32:45 including a doctor Feb 09 15:33:41 Oh, so I can just backup, doctor using the 2.0 ROM, and sign-in via Wifi to my Palm Profile Feb 09 15:34:03 i think so Feb 09 15:34:41 i initially activated my phone in the us Feb 09 15:36:00 Well that is great news, a lot easier. Makes having to switch to the iPhone easier transition. I pleaded with people at work, showing the multitasking,OTA, never having to tether to sync contacts Feb 09 15:36:09 *OTA updates Feb 09 15:36:19 it just works so much better Feb 09 15:36:57 Oh well, thanks for the help funkatron and swisstomcat. This community rocks and I am not leaving Feb 09 15:37:10 watch todays announcement Feb 09 15:37:17 see what's in store for hp/palm Feb 09 15:37:45 hmm, hold on Feb 09 15:37:48 Yea, I have the Events countdown clock app running Feb 09 15:38:10 beerhead500: you have to doctor with webos-internals metadoctor .. because you can't switch on wifi at the time of profile-signin Feb 09 15:38:12 the PDK - what music formats are supported with SDL_mixer? Feb 09 15:38:53 This one? Feb 09 15:38:55 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Feb 09 15:38:59 exactly Feb 09 15:39:55 metaawesome Feb 09 15:40:09 Not a problem. Thanks. Side note, I am sure people are aware but the Super Device Countdown app says ~ 2:21 and the Palm site says 4:20 Feb 09 15:40:24 yeah Feb 09 15:40:37 the palm countdown clock seems to be based on 12noon Feb 09 15:40:41 2 hours after the event Feb 09 15:40:48 smooth Feb 09 15:42:40 Maybe the stuff they introduce will be going on sale later today, then? Feb 09 15:44:11 morning adora Feb 09 15:44:22 goooooooooooooood morning =] Feb 09 15:44:43 what's all the hubbub about this #thinkbeyond thing? Feb 09 15:44:56 I dunno, dude Feb 09 15:45:10 i have to prepare for my webOS hackday tomorrow, you know Feb 09 15:45:51 http://blog.liip.ch/archive/2011/01/21/webos-hackday-at-liip.html Feb 09 15:45:52 Adora: can you provide any additional information about the 100 pre2's that are being given out? Feb 09 15:47:02 i'm going to need my own hackday to update my apps Feb 09 15:47:16 which i should have already started a while ago :/ Feb 09 15:47:17 join me, there are spaces available Feb 09 15:47:29 and palm provided some developer devices :) Feb 09 15:47:38 where is it? Feb 09 15:47:41 zurich Feb 09 15:47:42 just meet up online? Feb 09 15:47:51 if you can get me a flight there, i'm in :) Feb 09 15:47:54 hehe Feb 09 15:48:16 i wanted to get a flight to cali for today, but wed doesn't work well for me getting there and back while having to work Feb 09 15:48:24 swisstomcat you've got a dev model of the new pre? Feb 09 15:48:53 Adora: i guess my real question is: can i trade up my pre+ for a pre2? Feb 09 15:49:00 New Pre? Aside from the Pre2, you mean? Feb 09 15:49:26 workenhaven: i wish Feb 09 15:49:33 ah, well you're in luck Feb 09 15:49:39 i was going to mug you for it if you did Feb 09 15:52:45 Adora: Work mandating I get an iPhone 4 because they have the official SalesForce app, still keeping my Pre- for my personal device without cellular contract Feb 09 15:59:13 good morning Feb 09 16:00:00 2 hours Feb 09 16:15:02 will we hear about HP consumer electronics stores today? Feb 09 16:15:17 has anyone seen one yet? Feb 09 16:18:22 omg omg omg omg omg Feb 09 16:18:53 ping funkatron Feb 09 16:19:03 hello sir Feb 09 16:19:17 PULL REQ OR STFU Feb 09 16:19:20 hehe Feb 09 16:19:23 mom Feb 09 16:19:29 hahaha Feb 09 16:20:49 funkatron: with no phonegap btw Feb 09 16:20:52 and no mojo Feb 09 16:21:07 excellent Feb 09 16:21:08 BOOM Feb 09 16:21:33 the jQMobile CSS just needs some webOS love Feb 09 16:21:49 yeah Feb 09 16:21:52 the fonts look odd Feb 09 16:22:13 it's still alpha, but I bet somebody needs to step up and work on that Feb 09 16:22:14 and it needs one change in the jquery mobile source Feb 09 16:22:44 gimme a pull req and I'll look at it. maybe submit back to jqmob Feb 09 16:22:51 working on it Feb 09 16:24:48 guys Feb 09 16:24:56 whats the link to live blog for today ? Feb 09 16:26:36 ot it Feb 09 16:26:38 its in 3 hours Feb 09 16:26:53 awesome swisstomcat, thanks! Feb 09 16:26:54 does palm live blog or is it gizmodo or something ? Feb 09 16:27:05 several folks are liveblogging Feb 09 16:27:10 engadget, ars, I know are Feb 09 16:27:31 precentral and webosroundup are doing it, probably Feb 09 16:27:52 funkatron: pull request sent Feb 09 16:27:57 try it out Feb 09 16:28:14 got it Feb 09 16:28:15 thx Feb 09 16:28:59 need to talk to palm again about that basetagtest function in jquery mobile Feb 09 16:29:10 i guess they were busy with other stuff Feb 09 16:30:18 swisstomcat: can you explain that patch there? I added a note about it in the pull req Feb 09 16:30:34 it would be cool if you type it up. maybe I can get it into jqmo or bitch at palm about it Feb 09 16:30:48 palm is aware (unwiredben and dave balmer) Feb 09 16:30:59 they supplied the patch Feb 09 16:31:15 let me find the reference thread in the forum Feb 09 16:31:23 everyone excited about the announcement ? Feb 09 16:31:29 what announcement? Feb 09 16:31:30 oh they did? Feb 09 16:31:38 then we need to get on them about it Feb 09 16:31:43 (jqmo team that is) Feb 09 16:32:31 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=53115#p53115 Feb 09 16:32:55 joe_b: well, we are excited that there will be an announcement, we can't yet be excited about the announcement itself as it is still over an hour away Feb 09 16:33:17 gkatsev: details, details Feb 09 16:34:26 or do you mean the 'touchpad' that precentral just overheard? Feb 09 16:35:36 EvaDragus: but #literalnet is fun Feb 09 16:35:50 wow, precentral is getting hammered Feb 09 16:36:41 bbl Feb 09 16:37:40 why does the counter say 8 hours if the presentation is in 2 hours Feb 09 16:37:41 * EvaDragus performs some karmic repair. Feb 09 16:38:43 they need some timezone help Feb 09 16:41:58 whats a good homebrew battery / calebration app so i can get the most of my battery or see whats upw ith ti Feb 09 16:42:13 currently i have drbattery installed and i have to wait till it dies down farther to calibrate Feb 09 16:42:23 howdy folks Feb 09 16:42:56 http://pr0n.fea.st/palm-countdown.png Feb 09 16:43:11 will there be a live video feed for the WebOS event today? Feb 09 16:43:54 LoneStar99: I believe that rwhitby tweeted that there isn't and that he is glad because otherwise, he'd feel compelled to wake up at 4:30am to watch it Feb 09 16:44:15 krushia: maybe it's our european counterparts? Feb 09 16:44:31 wait, that still doesn't make sense Feb 09 16:45:22 looks like some browsers use local time, others use utc Feb 09 16:45:32 lol Feb 09 16:45:35 you guys aren't homebrew Feb 09 16:52:06 OH FUCK Feb 09 16:52:08 THERES BEEN A LEAK Feb 09 16:52:37 call the plumber? Feb 09 16:52:57 "Robert Scoble seems to have let loose a bit of information as well, confirming that a 10-inch slate is indeed on the docket, as well as "the smallest little phone" he has ever seen. And before you think that's a positive attribute, he also mentions it being too small to be taken seriously, and definitely not as "a competitor for the iPhone or Android."" Feb 09 16:53:17 dun dun dun Feb 09 16:53:36 the teen phone Feb 09 16:53:43 The HP Veer from Precentral Feb 09 16:53:48 *on Precentral Feb 09 16:53:50 GSM Feb 09 16:53:54 give me that big 10-inch Feb 09 16:53:57 er Feb 09 16:54:18 hopefully T-Mobile since they have been webOS-less Feb 09 16:54:46 yeah, Sprint can pass on the teen-y phone Feb 09 16:54:50 http://bit.ly/gU0Ecj Feb 09 16:55:19 This has been said already but Precentral is getting freaking hammered!!! Feb 09 16:55:58 please sprint just have the good one Feb 09 16:56:03 if there's more than two phones anyway Feb 09 16:56:08 more than one* Feb 09 16:56:30 something's on precentral? Feb 09 16:57:08 I think it is almost a guarnetee that the Pre 3 in http://bit.ly/gU0Ecj is Sprint, but would be cooler if they made it avaiable to Verizon too Feb 09 16:57:20 why can I not find that hp page? Feb 09 16:59:03 pre... Feb 09 16:59:05 ...3? Feb 09 16:59:11 mine will not show that section of the 'Deals & Offers' tab Feb 09 16:59:12 wtf? Feb 09 16:59:16 i dunno about this Feb 09 16:59:24 Pre cubed Feb 09 16:59:39 hopefully not the same form factor as the original pre Feb 09 17:00:22 I just got there Feb 09 17:00:32 go to HP.com home office Feb 09 17:00:42 is hp.com getting slammed to hell too Feb 09 17:00:55 1 hr! Feb 09 17:00:57 and hover over the deals & offers tab Feb 09 17:01:01 I see it Feb 09 17:01:06 I did that :( Feb 09 17:01:07 * dohtem will not read the leaks Feb 09 17:01:26 I'm wondering if the leaks are all part of a clever ruse Feb 09 17:02:12 However if you click on the link to that deal, there isn't anything.... yet Feb 09 17:02:32 http://www.shopping.hp.com/deals/offerstab Feb 09 17:02:36 I am saddened by this Feb 09 17:02:56 at least theres a t mobile phone Feb 09 17:02:57 still no Feb 09 17:02:59 wtf? Feb 09 17:03:01 but it's not the phone Feb 09 17:03:12 wierd, well it isnt' anything but that picture from Precentral Feb 09 17:03:21 k Feb 09 17:04:59 Offer Stab? Feb 09 17:05:13 im gettin scarred Feb 09 17:05:21 Can't believe the phone is a pre 3 Feb 09 17:06:20 HA, now Precentral is down shortly, community on crack Feb 09 17:06:22 why would they still call it the pre Feb 09 17:06:25 funkatron: plus, if you act now, you get a second BONUS stab at no additional charge (an additional service charge will be applied) Feb 09 17:06:39 stabbity! Feb 09 17:09:43 hey, #webos, what's new? Feb 09 17:09:55 leaks and rumors, as usual Feb 09 17:10:04 lol Feb 09 17:10:09 but only 1 hr in advance of actual facts Feb 09 17:10:22 * Josef_B has 2 computers Feb 09 17:10:30 1 computer is just for the announcement and has irc on it Feb 09 17:10:40 haeffb__: the Veer, the Pre cubed, and the TouchPad Feb 09 17:11:02 Pre 3 ftw! Feb 09 17:11:04 hopefully those actual facts wreck the hell out of the leaks Feb 09 17:11:04 hello all Feb 09 17:11:18 anyone know if there is a vido feed for todays webos event? Feb 09 17:11:21 pre 3 better be amazing if they're still gonna go with calling it the pre Feb 09 17:11:25 as long as it's cdma and i can pick it up soon, i'm happy Feb 09 17:11:32 HattCzech_work: agreed Feb 09 17:11:34 torchie i think there just doing liveblogging Feb 09 17:11:39 better than my pre- Feb 09 17:11:46 yeah hopefully better than pre- Feb 09 17:11:53 I guess palm really believes in the pre line. Feb 09 17:11:55 My Pre- is still better than the iPhone 4 IMO Feb 09 17:11:55 ya think? :P Feb 09 17:12:06 my upgrade money is burning a hole in my pocket Feb 09 17:12:09 'course with the overclocking Feb 09 17:12:10 I don't want another pre though Feb 09 17:12:11 did anyone ever get a free dev palm pre plus from the promotion? Feb 09 17:12:11 and my pre- is dying Feb 09 17:12:16 pre-, better than iphone 4? Feb 09 17:12:31 hmmmm.... Veer tiny smartphone paired with a 10" tablet. Not a bad combination. Feb 09 17:12:55 I'm starting to wonder about the benefits of this "tiny" fixation... Feb 09 17:12:57 Sure, I don't have too much lag switching between CarbonwebOS and email, and txts and websites Feb 09 17:13:09 haeffb__: that's an interesting point that I didn't consider Feb 09 17:13:10 hmmm Feb 09 17:13:32 veer provides 4G, tablet provides output. Feb 09 17:13:38 wow if they're planning to ship these today Feb 09 17:13:41 fantastic! Feb 09 17:14:00 and webos 2.1 for the old devices?? Feb 09 17:14:02 rats, my tablet fund is depleted Feb 09 17:14:07 beerhead500: mine is still a bit laggy at times Feb 09 17:14:16 i still like it more than the iphone, but i'd like it a bit snappier Feb 09 17:17:36 Trust me, I am getting a iPhone 4 tomorrow. I will take Pre - laggy over, reading email ->double click iphone home button -> click link from twitter -> maybe launch website from link??? Basically take away true multitasking I hate the iPhone or iOS already Feb 09 17:18:14 beerhead500 wow Feb 09 17:18:17 plus having to plug iPhone in to sync contacts. That is so 3 years ago :p Feb 09 17:18:17 beerhead500 such passion Feb 09 17:18:18 :D Feb 09 17:18:27 * haeffb__ "checking for updates" Feb 09 17:18:32 yeah plugging in is like Feb 09 17:18:33 bull Feb 09 17:18:41 "Application updates are now available" :( Feb 09 17:18:46 I'd like for this new device to be like Feb 09 17:18:48 iphone smooth though Feb 09 17:19:00 OTA updates Feb 09 17:19:18 torchie but palm multitasking into i0s and it will be over :D everyone will get i0s device then Feb 09 17:19:47 I could go on, but I think Precentral's Pre2 review said how the scrolling was smoother and the device was noticably quicker Feb 09 17:19:51 iOS'll need more (and paradoxically, less) than that to win me over Feb 09 17:19:59 it was and it was Feb 09 17:20:00 was it iphone smooth Feb 09 17:20:11 haeffb__: looking for 2.0? Feb 09 17:20:18 yep, not there yet Feb 09 17:20:31 So Pre 3 should be even quicker than that!! Also, you don't need top of the line specs (Android) if you mobile OS is worth a damn Feb 09 17:20:43 any Pre 3 specs yet? Feb 09 17:20:46 not yet Feb 09 17:20:55 give it 45min or so ;) Feb 09 17:20:55 i7 Quad core? Feb 09 17:20:57 youg guys see this Feb 09 17:20:59 hahaha Feb 09 17:21:00 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/webos-based-veer-pre-3-and-touchpad-leaked-on-hps-site-likely/ Feb 09 17:21:04 yeah iphone had smooth as fuck operation in 2007 Feb 09 17:21:05 the picture has a tablet Feb 09 17:21:09 HattCzech_work: for 2.1 Feb 09 17:21:19 android didn't get that until samsung tore the OS a new one for galaxy S Feb 09 17:21:26 arctic-ice: well, anything over 1.4.5 ;) Feb 09 17:21:37 and then you hold up the more powerful Optimus 2X next to it and it chops and lags Feb 09 17:21:45 god please don't make me switch to android Feb 09 17:23:21 wor live blog: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/hp-think-beyond-live-blog/ Feb 09 17:24:04 I could never buy another pre. Cramped keyboard and tiny screen. Need something easier on the eyes. At least 4" screen Feb 09 17:24:33 I did get used to the smaller size. but, I would like a nice 4" monster. Feb 09 17:24:35 phone, that is. Feb 09 17:24:51 torchie: I guess my point is I will take Pre- with OTA updates, True Multitasking, Awesomely Unobtrusive notifications, Synergy syncing contacts without plugging in, awesome homebrew community over iPhone with smooth scrolling Feb 09 17:25:11 Oh I forgot Flash too Feb 09 17:25:16 Ill take apps over no apps Feb 09 17:25:31 ooooooooh the excitement Feb 09 17:26:10 are there live conference video? Feb 09 17:26:13 I can't seem to find it Feb 09 17:26:19 gah! engadget made it way too hard to find a link to their liveblog coverage Feb 09 17:26:21 there aren't, I dont think Feb 09 17:26:24 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/live-from-hp-palms-think-beyond-webos-event/ Feb 09 17:26:30 I hope this thing has a front facing camera and gyroscope Feb 09 17:26:40 nyceane: follow live blogs Feb 09 17:27:03 starts in 30? Feb 09 17:27:18 gkatsev, I want to see the speak Feb 09 17:27:19 Hyyyyyyype Feb 09 17:27:20 apps will come. HPalm has been great. Feb 09 17:27:23 not just =| Feb 09 17:27:26 not just live blog Feb 09 17:27:39 Sometimes i wonder Feb 09 17:27:42 nyceane: the video should be posted later on today, probably. Feb 09 17:27:56 i wonder if they're going to announce when us loyal sprint Pre folks will get webos2.0 Feb 09 17:28:09 pandora--: "soon" Feb 09 17:28:10 My university is coming out with apps for its radio station on ios and android Feb 09 17:28:19 soon isn't enough Feb 09 17:28:26 I know :( Feb 09 17:28:28 android 2.2 is on shelves /now/ Feb 09 17:28:32 Oh I also forgot getting 10's of gigs of cloud storage later today, without having to pay $80/year for Mobile me Feb 09 17:28:33 And i wonder if webos well get that level of entrenchment in app support Feb 09 17:28:43 bbiab Feb 09 17:28:44 pandora--: only one some devices, lol Feb 09 17:28:53 anyone there at the event? Feb 09 17:29:06 gkatsev: at least i have that option Feb 09 17:29:07 Cloud storage of what, tasks? Feb 09 17:29:21 lol =| Feb 09 17:29:36 without live video stream, it's really gona suck =| Feb 09 17:29:39 pandora--: i guess. I did switch to android for my main device a few months ago for various reasons. Feb 09 17:30:07 i'm pretty stuck in the contract with sprint Feb 09 17:30:12 can't upgrade for a while Feb 09 17:30:21 even though i'm on Pre #5 Feb 09 17:30:23 yeah, I got the evo from a friend for cheap Feb 09 17:30:26 piece of shit Feb 09 17:30:29 "veer" really? isn't that like "swerve?" Feb 09 17:30:35 i love the pre, but that's shit Feb 09 17:30:38 I have 75 upgrade credit soon to be 150 Feb 09 17:30:43 is it like what teenagers do while texting on this thing and driving? Feb 09 17:30:44 And cash in bank Feb 09 17:31:09 That was the rumor, cloud storage for your music, pictures, videos sharing between devices is my uninformed guess Feb 09 17:31:12 how many upgrade credits should i have if i haven't used any since i started ~2 years ago on sprint? Feb 09 17:31:21 Im sad that hp isn't gonna acknowledge my upgrade credit when i buy a phone from their site... Feb 09 17:31:35 codeslaw: after 1 year, 75, 2+ years 150 Feb 09 17:31:39 why would you need cloud storage for tasks, they are already sent to the cloud Feb 09 17:31:44 credits = dollars? Feb 09 17:31:47 How does buying sprint phones subsidized from not-sprint work Feb 09 17:31:56 When you're already on contract? Feb 09 17:31:58 28 minutes Feb 09 17:32:07 codeslaw: yes. Feb 09 17:32:31 that's it? isn't 150 basically a quarter of a new phone? Feb 09 17:32:51 codeslaw: well, basically, after 2 years, you pay fully subsidized price. Feb 09 17:32:53 I've got extra cash too Feb 09 17:33:13 i see Feb 09 17:33:14 beerhead500: been year that for a while now Feb 09 17:33:36 How does this usually work, can i use the upgrade credit when renewing contract? Feb 09 17:33:41 torchie-nook: I will take some extra cash Feb 09 17:33:49 Lol Feb 09 17:34:14 torchie-nook: the upgrade credit is only when getting a new phone Feb 09 17:35:00 http://twitpic.com/3y1mcg Feb 09 17:35:27 Pre3?? Feb 09 17:35:33 marss: Unfortunately, that is why work is mandating an iPhone for me tomorrow. They claim I need the "Official" SalesForce App so since they switched to VZ today, my iPhone4 (not allowed to wait for the iPhone 5) is being overnighted. Free is free, what can I say. Feb 09 17:35:35 Getting a new phone while renewing contract? Feb 09 17:39:14 Oh, i made it on front page of pre central today =D Feb 09 17:40:07 for what Feb 09 17:40:26 wot wot Feb 09 17:40:27 http://www.precentral.net/facebook-connect-webos-open-sourced-app-ready Feb 09 17:40:32 precentral is dead Feb 09 17:40:38 ya its crashing like mad Feb 09 17:41:09 =( Feb 09 17:41:10 it was barely loading for me an hour ago, so... yeah Feb 09 17:41:24 just use engadget's live blog or webosroundup's liveblog Feb 09 17:41:35 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/live-from-hp-palms-think-beyond-webos-event/ and http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/hp-think-beyond-live-blog/ Feb 09 17:42:30 gkatsev: hmm, is that really the building? from the outside it looks like an old fire station.. Feb 09 17:43:10 yeah that's what I thought too Feb 09 17:43:13 looks sketchy Feb 09 17:43:19 destinal-work: no clue. I'm on the east coast Feb 09 17:43:19 hey, can anybody download my app and give me some testing result Feb 09 17:43:20 destinal-work: it's part of the SF piers Feb 09 17:43:27 average people stuck on loading view for 45 seconds Feb 09 17:43:30 =| Feb 09 17:43:30 a lot of events are held there Feb 09 17:43:33 from google analytics Feb 09 17:43:52 nyceane, app for what? Feb 09 17:43:56 I like how pre 3 is coming out two months from pre 2 Feb 09 17:44:48 i want Feb 09 17:44:49 to know Feb 09 17:44:51 RagingMind, are you in United States? Feb 09 17:44:54 about the pre3 Feb 09 17:45:06 * krushia patiently awaits for news of treo 9000 Feb 09 17:45:13 who else is going to their developer event tonight? Feb 09 17:45:14 but i ONLY want to know why its the damn super phone i've been waiting for Feb 09 17:45:43 nyceane, though there are lots of jokes about my area being part of canada, I am in fact located in the US Feb 09 17:45:56 yeah Feb 09 17:46:09 RagingMind, can you download "Pickup Sports" and tell me if it works? Feb 09 17:46:13 I'm getting this butterfly feeling like the pre3 is just gonna make me mad Feb 09 17:46:20 it's just from google analytics it shows people getting stuck on loading page Feb 09 17:46:26 any info on foleo2 leak yet? Feb 09 17:46:32 torchie: probably, unfortunately Feb 09 17:47:13 oh goodie... it's free :) Feb 09 17:47:23 14 minutes Feb 09 17:47:25 asdfasdgiojgwoijg Feb 09 17:47:56 palm is off by 2 hours on their website Feb 09 17:48:11 what what? Feb 09 17:48:12 yeah dunno what's up with the website Feb 09 17:48:15 kinda weird Feb 09 17:48:17 ...or wait Feb 09 17:48:18 oh cool Feb 09 17:48:19 kinda Feb 09 17:48:20 this is crazy hype Feb 09 17:48:21 ... Feb 09 17:48:22 planned. Feb 09 17:48:22 gkatsev: that's when you can buy the phones and tablet... Feb 09 17:48:30 is there a liveblog/webcast? Feb 09 17:48:31 what if they announce something now and then they announce something then Feb 09 17:48:32 haeffb: oh, that makes sense then Feb 09 17:48:34 they're SO SCREWED if they don't live up to their own hype on this Feb 09 17:48:36 or the thing that haeffb said Feb 09 17:48:39 * haeffb hopes Feb 09 17:48:41 they better hype hella hard Feb 09 17:48:42 nyceane, I've entered a name, looked for something, and it seems to have loded a page with location and time stuff Feb 09 17:48:42 seriously Feb 09 17:48:44 maik: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/live-from-hp-palms-think-beyond-webos-event/ or http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/hp-think-beyond-live-blog/ Feb 09 17:48:51 haeffb: lol, you don't know? Feb 09 17:48:55 sweet thanks Feb 09 17:49:02 hell no... ha Feb 09 17:49:05 http://www.precentral.net/hp-palm-thinkbeyond-liveblog Feb 09 17:49:05 RagingMind, so you weren't stuck on the loading page Feb 09 17:49:14 basically a circle and tell you it's loading Feb 09 17:49:22 haeffb: heh. good wishing though Feb 09 17:49:28 I didn't tap the facebook thing if that makes a difference, but I don't seem to be stuck at all Feb 09 17:49:28 rick-work: isn't precentral dead? Feb 09 17:49:37 ugh cant stand the wait Feb 09 17:49:37 gogole analytics for webos still doesn't work the way I want it to work =| Feb 09 17:49:39 gonna get tacos Feb 09 17:49:48 and run honeycomb Feb 09 17:49:55 * halfhalo is only going to be able to get one device..... sadness Feb 09 17:49:59 oh, so the two hour clock on the site is probably set for after the keynote then Feb 09 17:50:02 hmmm =| Feb 09 17:50:30 yeah, precentral is completely dead Feb 09 17:50:35 maik, yesterday the site was broken because it used your local time instead of PST Feb 09 17:50:41 heh Feb 09 17:50:42 HP webOS Event delayed 2 hours Feb 09 17:50:46 and my iPhone is getting like 1 download a day =| Feb 09 17:50:49 just kidding Feb 09 17:51:07 6 people hitting account creation page from GA Feb 09 17:51:08 =| Feb 09 17:51:26 * krushia looks at his treo 650, with its swappable sim and sd cards, bluetooth obex file transfer, epic battery life, and applications that do things Feb 09 17:51:41 if we can just get all of those things Feb 09 17:51:43 in the pre 3 Feb 09 17:51:44 party Feb 09 17:51:49 indeed Feb 09 17:51:52 beerhead500: damn you Feb 09 17:51:56 too many occasions where friends ask me to bluetooth transfer them a ringtone Feb 09 17:52:03 and I'm just like SORRY MY PHONE DOESN'T DO THAT Feb 09 17:52:14 and they're all like YOU'RE A TORCH! Feb 09 17:52:18 lol Feb 09 17:53:04 "HEY BRO CHECK OUT THIS SWEET FEATURE ON MY PALM" -- "Sorry bro, sometimes it's really slow and it... oh there it go... wait nevermind. Gimme 10 minutes to reboot" Feb 09 17:53:32 "i can't see back here, I'm gonna need to run the LED torch app" Feb 09 17:53:34 loading Feb 09 17:53:35 loading Feb 09 17:53:37 loading Feb 09 17:53:40 dont worry bro I got it Feb 09 17:53:41 IPHONE 4 Feb 09 17:54:09 hey can you tell mr. xyz on skype about this Feb 09 17:54:13 I dont have skype Feb 09 17:54:14 ASDFIJAOISGJOWIJ Feb 09 17:54:37 heh Feb 09 17:54:47 Oh dude what song is this? Check your phone Feb 09 17:54:52 Sorry man, don't have that app Feb 09 17:55:05 wait, what app? Feb 09 17:55:09 hey lets go geocaching Feb 09 17:55:10 shazam Feb 09 17:55:16 god Feb 09 17:55:19 NO SHAZAM Feb 09 17:55:27 never heard of it... Feb 09 17:55:32 it's a major one Feb 09 17:55:39 oh hmm Feb 09 17:55:40 it takes a live stream of whatever audio you are listening to Feb 09 17:55:42 hear a song and don't know what it is? Feb 09 17:55:45 hold your phone up to it Feb 09 17:55:46 bam Feb 09 17:55:48 you get the name of the song Feb 09 17:55:52 do they have an API? :) Feb 09 17:55:55 and analyzes and gets the song form a database Feb 09 17:55:56 it needs like Feb 09 17:55:56 maik: no Feb 09 17:55:57 is it all done locally? Feb 09 17:55:59 microphone api or something Feb 09 17:55:59 bah Feb 09 17:56:03 check out the UCF radio station app! now available on... Feb 09 17:56:04 ah yes Feb 09 17:56:08 iphone, android, and ipad! Feb 09 17:56:11 * torchie oh. Feb 09 17:56:19 in fact, some guy wrote an open-source version of their app, and got SUED by shazam for patent infringement Feb 09 17:56:23 no, it needs data connection to work Feb 09 17:56:29 they have a complete lockdown on their technique for matching audio Feb 09 17:56:36 but its the ONLY FUCKING WAY to do it Feb 09 17:56:39 software patents are horseshit Feb 09 17:56:41 check out the app! check out the app! Feb 09 17:56:47 gkatsev: the web countdown was always comparing your time to noon local time, which was just silly Feb 09 17:56:51 so shazam is really goddamn acurate? Feb 09 17:56:55 and only shazam? Feb 09 17:57:04 its not that accurate actually Feb 09 17:57:05 now available on the App Store? Feb 09 17:57:07 oh Feb 09 17:57:09 lots of false positives Feb 09 17:57:24 well I'm just going to do some augmented reality here Feb 09 17:57:31 destinal-work: but noon local time for me was an hour ago Feb 09 17:57:35 maybe chat on facebook through the official app Feb 09 17:57:35 err, about to start? Feb 09 17:57:36 but, they will sue anyone else who writes a similar app Feb 09 17:57:52 morning Feb 09 17:57:55 torchie: there is also midomi and another one that just went 100% free Feb 09 17:58:04 is precentral getting slaughtered by the traffic, or just my crappy connection? Feb 09 17:58:05 midomi? Feb 09 17:58:06 rwhitby: weren't you not going to wake up at an ungodly hour? Feb 09 17:58:17 BeeksElectric, I think so Feb 09 17:58:25 rwhitby up at the middle of the dark. Feb 09 17:58:25 not surprising Feb 09 17:58:38 rwhitby: before 4:30 AM, that's dedication Feb 09 18:00:41 what's the over/under on web-os 2/2.1/2.whatever going out to Pres today? Feb 09 18:00:42 epic letdown in 60seconds #thinkbeyond Feb 09 18:00:44 ONE MINUTE Feb 09 18:00:48 UNTIL Feb 09 18:00:50 APOCALYPSE Feb 09 18:00:50 :P Feb 09 18:01:06 torchie: supposedly, soundhound has a better algorithm. If anything, soundhound is now 100% free with unlimited tagging Feb 09 18:01:07 Pre 3! Feb 09 18:01:08 webOcalypSe Feb 09 18:01:14 hopefully it beats the pants off of everything Feb 09 18:01:17 torchie: http://www.soundhound.com/ Feb 09 18:01:17 is there a soundhound app for webos? Feb 09 18:01:35 free version of soundhound Feb 09 18:01:40 now available on iOS and android Feb 09 18:01:45 * torchie dies. Feb 09 18:01:52 torchie: no, mic api was only recently added. Feb 09 18:01:58 * maik pats torchie Feb 09 18:02:02 soon, sir, soon. Feb 09 18:02:06 on the blog now Feb 09 18:02:16 * torchie goes off and reads a QR code Feb 09 18:02:22 gkatsev: hybrid apps shouldn't need mic API btw Feb 09 18:02:23 * maik points, laughs Feb 09 18:02:29 and precentral is completely down Feb 09 18:02:43 destinal-work: yeah, but soundhound has to listen to the song Feb 09 18:02:49 COME ONNNNNNNNN Feb 09 18:02:51 did anybody catch the engdaget podcast where they were making up rumors about dieter Feb 09 18:02:59 t'was hysterical Feb 09 18:03:05 heh Feb 09 18:03:12 gkatsev: that could be done in a hybrid app. Feb 09 18:03:18 in 1.4.5 Feb 09 18:03:27 destinal-work: oh, it could? Feb 09 18:03:36 I must've totally missed that. Feb 09 18:03:41 i'm assuming they just take a profile of the clip and zip it off to a server for processing, ya? Feb 09 18:03:47 precentral is not completely down they're just overloaded but if you had their liveblog open before they overloaded, the liveblog is running fine Feb 09 18:04:06 rick-work: it's using cover-it-live, right? Feb 09 18:04:11 yep Feb 09 18:04:13 gkatsev: it's not as much an official API as that pulseaudio and alsa are just there. it's linux.. Feb 09 18:04:17 and THAT is running fine Feb 09 18:04:27 destinal-work: heh, ok. makes sense. Feb 09 18:04:40 this MIGHT work http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=71e5c84ee8/height=750/width=550 Feb 09 18:05:04 Louder|laptop: that works Feb 09 18:05:17 is precentral also overloaded for you? Feb 09 18:05:36 i'm going to go get a hamburger from the pub across the street Feb 09 18:05:36 works here too Feb 09 18:05:38 when i get back Feb 09 18:05:41 hotdp: it's overloaded for everyone but Louder|laptop just posted direct link to the coveritlive Feb 09 18:05:42 there better be GLORY Feb 09 18:05:46 http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=71e5c84ee8 Feb 09 18:05:47 oh Feb 09 18:05:49 F5 F5 F5 Feb 09 18:05:53 you saw it Louder|laptop :D Feb 09 18:05:53 heh Feb 09 18:05:54 go to the webosroundup liveblog Feb 09 18:06:00 dieter just said in the live blog that they're stripping the front page there to maximize bandwidth for the liveblog Feb 09 18:06:06 i'm engadgeting right now Feb 09 18:06:10 they're likely getting slammed atm Feb 09 18:06:29 whoa what is this coveritlive Feb 09 18:06:46 engadget is always beter on live blogs Feb 09 18:06:47 that's what precentral is using to liveblog Feb 09 18:06:49 so many pictures Feb 09 18:07:02 also, webosroundup Feb 09 18:07:05 that's what's embedded in their page Feb 09 18:07:08 Was just having a dream about the #thinkbeyond event, then woke up, looked at the clock, 10am on the dot. Feb 09 18:07:18 all my local papers use it during elections, it's great Feb 09 18:07:46 where do you live Feb 09 18:08:05 heh, Vermont Feb 09 18:08:10 so there's really only two Feb 09 18:08:46 according to engadget Feb 09 18:08:51 so much lcd soundsystem Feb 09 18:09:11 dgathright: lol Feb 09 18:10:06 OMG GET ON WITH IT Feb 09 18:10:09 I currently have three liveblogs and IRC open - information overload Feb 09 18:10:14 heh Feb 09 18:10:26 BeeksElectric, same here Feb 09 18:10:28 BeeksElectric: which liveblog is the best Feb 09 18:10:48 HP says they will have the replay at 2 http://h30261.www3.hp.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=71087&p=irol-EventDetails&EventId=3734054 Feb 09 18:11:01 so if you wanna pretend you are there check that link out Feb 09 18:11:15 its show time! Feb 09 18:11:19 and remember to skip the first 10 minutes... sheesh Feb 09 18:11:23 guessing 2pm PST Feb 09 18:11:24 yeah engadget is saying that HP has a full professional camera crew there Feb 09 18:11:32 ooh a printer Feb 09 18:11:47 webos printer? Feb 09 18:11:50 this auto refresh sucks Feb 09 18:11:53 mayhaps Feb 09 18:11:53 F' yea, also there is a slew of Professional looking Toasters Feb 09 18:11:57 can't wait Feb 09 18:11:59 hah Feb 09 18:12:16 oh man, I can't wait to get my webOS printer Feb 09 18:12:20 I wanted a webos fridge that tells me when I'm running low on something Feb 09 18:12:28 is Roy Pre 101 there? Feb 09 18:12:29 or when something is going bad Feb 09 18:12:31 lol provided wifi died, as expected Feb 09 18:12:35 webOS TV Feb 09 18:12:44 hehe, WiFi on site is a failboat, reminds me of the Dev Day wifi Feb 09 18:12:53 oh jeez Feb 09 18:12:56 late at night... drunk... playing angry birds on the refrigerator... Feb 09 18:12:57 that was horrible Feb 09 18:12:59 roy pre101 is liveblogging on his site Feb 09 18:13:00 but when you have 600+ devices fighting for the same limited spectrum, to be expected Feb 09 18:13:02 my twitter account is exploding, wonder what is going on. Ohhh webOS FTW Feb 09 18:13:33 I was really hoping that palm got with the program and offered a more appealing phone to the masses. Feb 09 18:13:33 ASDOFJASODIFJAOSDIFJASOIDFJ Feb 09 18:13:43 that's supposedly the Veer Feb 09 18:13:48 but the veer is tiny Feb 09 18:13:49 my question is, when is the Pre4 going to be announced to provide everything the pre3 is lacking Feb 09 18:13:50 itty bitty phone Feb 09 18:14:09 I just want a big screen slate lol Feb 09 18:14:39 but most mainstreamers don't want a giant slate, they want something tiny they can fit in their hipster tight jean pockets Feb 09 18:14:44 I had a feeling it was going to be another pre Feb 09 18:14:47 hence the Veer Feb 09 18:15:03 webosroundup have like 10 people there... Feb 09 18:15:08 the iphone 4 does a damn good job of fitting in hipster tight jean pockets and it has a pretty sizeable screen Feb 09 18:15:09 the fact that tehy are sticking with the Pre line is good Feb 09 18:15:12 is it? Feb 09 18:15:13 I hope Sprint passed on the Pre 2 to get a first launch on Pre 3 Feb 09 18:15:27 BeeksElectric: +1 Feb 09 18:15:27 consumer perception of the pre isn't particularly fantastic Feb 09 18:15:28 having a bunch of phones called galaxy and xoom and droid sounds stupid Feb 09 18:15:31 and gimmicky Feb 09 18:15:44 as opposed to pre and veer Feb 09 18:15:49 iterations on a single line is going to add the luxury appeal Feb 09 18:16:08 let's hope so Feb 09 18:16:08 is precentral down? Feb 09 18:16:14 Also lots of people from the Palm developer community. Here's hoping the event pays off their patience. Feb 09 18:16:15 overloaded Feb 09 18:16:23 what is the memo from the nokia CEO that everyone is talking about? Feb 09 18:16:25 * dohtem jumps to Engadget Feb 09 18:16:28 the first response I've gotten to "I got a pre!" was "eww that thing is so fragile" Feb 09 18:16:48 and hell in a handbasket she was right Feb 09 18:16:56 LIGHTS Feb 09 18:16:59 WHAT Feb 09 18:17:00 ALL OF THE LIGHTS Feb 09 18:17:02 omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg Feb 09 18:17:05 LLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSS Feb 09 18:17:05 CAMERAS Feb 09 18:17:07 ACTIONS Feb 09 18:17:09 WAAAAAAAA Feb 09 18:17:14 w00t Feb 09 18:17:18 asdlkjasdlkjaf Feb 09 18:17:19 OH SHIT Feb 09 18:17:20 TODD BRADLEY Feb 09 18:17:21 MY DAWG Feb 09 18:17:25 dohtem, precentral is using this http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=71e5c84ee8 Feb 09 18:17:26 i knew him Feb 09 18:17:32 dammit dammit Feb 09 18:17:41 why does my english class have to be in 15 minutes Feb 09 18:17:44 I'm thinking of just not going Feb 09 18:17:46 I hope Phil shows up, he was an awesome total nerd at the dev day, for an exec he totally get it Feb 09 18:17:52 nah i kid Feb 09 18:17:57 or DO I Feb 09 18:18:01 *gets Feb 09 18:18:03 OH SH Feb 09 18:18:05 giant pre Feb 09 18:18:07 dunno about this Feb 09 18:18:18 "first time you drove an electric car" never did Feb 09 18:18:28 1971. Feb 09 18:18:34 It's online!! - http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/215348-215348-64929-314903-215384-3544496.html Feb 09 18:18:48 haha Feb 09 18:18:55 envy 14 wut Feb 09 18:18:57 lol dohtem Feb 09 18:19:05 luls Feb 09 18:19:06 * hotdp wants an ipaq Feb 09 18:19:20 they're mentioning this phone in the same breath as the hp envy Feb 09 18:19:22 good sign right? Feb 09 18:19:49 it's funny they're showing laptops first Feb 09 18:19:50 as the rock would say .. For the millions and millions watching Feb 09 18:20:05 its like the opening band, nobody is there to see it, but it gets the crowd warmed up Feb 09 18:20:30 man what the hell are they about to do Feb 09 18:20:33 they're not messing around Feb 09 18:20:35 lol Feb 09 18:20:43 how much they gonna waffle before they actually say something of interest Feb 09 18:20:45 "Look, we're Apple." Feb 09 18:20:51 dohtem: DAMN YOU!! Feb 09 18:21:12 yeah, if only they'd started in a garage.. Feb 09 18:21:44 lol @ the engadget liveblog Feb 09 18:21:48 "120 computers per minute"...is it me or is that not very interesting Feb 09 18:21:49 a bunch of shots of bradley Feb 09 18:21:49 no internet S: Feb 09 18:21:52 in front of NUMBERS Feb 09 18:21:59 120 computers a minute Feb 09 18:22:02 that's 2 computers a second Feb 09 18:22:03 bitch. Feb 09 18:22:18 I'm sure every other major computer maker does that Feb 09 18:22:31 well there's your proof that HP is a major computer maker Feb 09 18:22:35 it's interesting to press people Feb 09 18:22:43 I didn't need proof of that, that's obvious, lol Feb 09 18:23:01 Largest IT manufacturer in the world. Duh. Feb 09 18:23:20 ha -- garage Feb 09 18:23:25 Boopop they have to market there laptops first 0_o .. its like apple coming out and impressing you with there numbers .. then they get to the meaty part of what everyone has been waiting for Feb 09 18:23:28 Weren't they saying they wanted to be considered as "cool" as Apple Feb 09 18:23:52 english class in 7 mins Feb 09 18:23:53 the USA today reporters need this stuff Feb 09 18:23:55 palm pre has such a negative stigma behind it. I can't believe they used the name again Feb 09 18:24:04 torchie: fuck it Feb 09 18:24:08 torchie - skip english class. You already speak english Feb 09 18:24:14 lol Feb 09 18:24:23 hahaha Feb 09 18:24:39 lol Feb 09 18:24:56 marss: thats what im worried about Feb 09 18:25:07 you know what'd be funny Feb 09 18:25:13 if they just did the laptop and sales fluff and then ended the show Feb 09 18:25:18 no Feb 09 18:25:20 So...they want a device that talks to everything Feb 09 18:25:21 die torchie Feb 09 18:25:34 we make AWESOME laptops Feb 09 18:25:38 that's all we wanted to say really Feb 09 18:25:40 SHOWS OVER Feb 09 18:25:47 lol Feb 09 18:25:53 They make TERRIBLE printer software Feb 09 18:25:55 =( Feb 09 18:25:57 I would throw my laptop across the room Feb 09 18:25:58 In my experience anyway Feb 09 18:26:03 is anyone in here at the event? Feb 09 18:26:32 Printers are like cell phone carriers, everyone has one, and everyone hates theirs. Feb 09 18:26:32 in spirit Feb 09 18:26:50 I don't know a single person that's like "OMG, I loooooooove my printer" Feb 09 18:26:57 JON!!! Feb 09 18:26:58 Ruby Feb 09 18:27:00 no sex in printers Feb 09 18:27:01 what Feb 09 18:27:02 dgathright: I like my mobile phone provider Feb 09 18:27:02 WHAT Feb 09 18:27:04 RUBENSTEIN Feb 09 18:27:08 * haeffb loves my printer Feb 09 18:27:09 dgathright, I LOOOOOVE my printer :) Feb 09 18:27:20 I liked my mobile phone provider until they had nothing but slider android phones Feb 09 18:27:20 if my printer ran on webOS and didn't freaking suck, i would love it Feb 09 18:27:22 you can love your printer, just don't LOOOOOVE your printer Feb 09 18:27:43 if a printer ran webOS and didn't freaking suck, it still wouldn't be that interesting being that it's a printer Feb 09 18:27:44 I know people that love their printers Feb 09 18:27:50 none of them own HP printers though Feb 09 18:27:51 =/ Feb 09 18:28:01 coveritlive.com is faster then engadget ... engadget isn't updating fast enough Feb 09 18:28:12 yeah but engadget I can read on my phone Feb 09 18:28:24 c'mon, show us the superdevice(s) already! Feb 09 18:28:25 I definitely think HP will struggle to be considered "cool" like Apple Feb 09 18:28:44 for a start Apple have been wooing their disciples for decades Feb 09 18:28:46 yeah that's what most people who try to be "cool" like apple do Feb 09 18:29:14 big yahoo icon... small google one. I approve of that graphic Feb 09 18:29:25 lol, yes. I do too Feb 09 18:29:29 these are Feb 09 18:29:31 quite a few pres Feb 09 18:29:32 on screen Feb 09 18:29:41 They could have at least used a new screenshot of Y! Mail Feb 09 18:29:41 my printer is a Samsung Feb 09 18:29:56 huh this works great on my pre Feb 09 18:29:59 engadget mobile Feb 09 18:30:02 time to go to class jesus shit Feb 09 18:30:22 coveritlive works well on the pre too Feb 09 18:30:25 "delivered hundreds of improvements in OTA Updates" Feb 09 18:30:34 Haven't delivered webOS 2.0 yet though! Feb 09 18:30:41 "We are the champion!" Feb 09 18:30:43 hahaha Feb 09 18:30:45 To people without a pre2 anyway :( Feb 09 18:31:09 I wonder if they will announce kindle. How can you sell apad with no kindle Feb 09 18:31:11 So they're talking about os 2.1 Feb 09 18:31:20 does that mean they're about to say I can download it now? xD Feb 09 18:31:23 Pre2 pre-order vzw tomorrow Feb 09 18:31:34 ooh I don't think windowsmobile7 beats ios Feb 09 18:31:38 that was an unfair result Feb 09 18:31:47 I only bought my Pre last summer so I don't care about new releases Feb 09 18:31:56 yeah, who the hell voted WinMo over iOS? Feb 09 18:32:06 A: Microsoftees Feb 09 18:32:17 lol Feb 09 18:32:18 people with severe brain damage Feb 09 18:32:22 hp would like to think ios doesn't even make the final round Feb 09 18:32:26 new phone! Feb 09 18:32:32 dgathright: A lot of the WP7 commenters hadn't even heard of webOS; I think that speaks volumes. Feb 09 18:32:32 hp veer Feb 09 18:32:35 no pics yet Feb 09 18:32:40 winmo != windows 7 phone series Feb 09 18:32:48 man, it looks like they are gonna push snapfish Feb 09 18:32:52 holy crap Feb 09 18:32:54 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/palmtb0065.jpg Feb 09 18:33:05 this is awesome Feb 09 18:33:10 quarter for scale please? Feb 09 18:33:10 like seriously Feb 09 18:33:14 I think I already have that phone Feb 09 18:33:18 heh Feb 09 18:33:23 no scale lol Feb 09 18:33:24 it just needs the hp sticker Feb 09 18:33:39 Wow that is tiny Feb 09 18:33:43 damn.. Feb 09 18:33:44 wow veer really is pre mini Feb 09 18:33:56 scale would help mind Feb 09 18:33:58 why do they insist on tiny phones? Feb 09 18:34:06 RIP pixi Feb 09 18:34:07 practically looks the same as a a normal pre Feb 09 18:34:10 pixi rez Feb 09 18:34:35 Why do they insist on making everything look like a pre :S Feb 09 18:34:44 thats pretty good for pixi users - more phones with this screensize Feb 09 18:34:47 lets see how many developers remember to account for smaller than Pre screen sizes Feb 09 18:34:50 b/c the Pre's form factor is awesome Feb 09 18:34:57 wait Feb 09 18:34:59 its waider Feb 09 18:35:10 pixi/pre are 320px wide, no? Feb 09 18:35:27 yeah Feb 09 18:35:40 livestream said its 360 Feb 09 18:35:40 Pre 3!? Feb 09 18:35:41 pre3 ? Feb 09 18:35:43 veer? is it a phone? Feb 09 18:35:44 ^ Feb 09 18:35:45 lol Feb 09 18:35:50 sorry Feb 09 18:35:52 meant the pre 3 bit Feb 09 18:35:59 10:34AM "Meet the Pre 3." Cheers! Feb 09 18:35:59 and that someone groaned xD Feb 09 18:36:30 HD Camera? Whoa Feb 09 18:36:34 HSPA == CDMA? Feb 09 18:36:36 wth? Feb 09 18:36:37 I don't understand how they released the pre2 not long ago, and now we have a pre3 already Feb 09 18:36:40 why? Feb 09 18:36:46 pre3 ? pre2 Feb 09 18:36:48 >* Feb 09 18:36:53 it would rock to have hp be first with bluetooth4 Feb 09 18:36:55 oh i think veer is replacing pixi Feb 09 18:36:58 too bad Feb 09 18:36:58 holy shit Feb 09 18:36:59 1.4GHz Feb 09 18:37:04 haha Feb 09 18:37:06 dam Feb 09 18:37:16 Summer? Frack Feb 09 18:37:19 whats the point of the pre2 then ? Feb 09 18:37:27 yeah no one even sold it Feb 09 18:37:33 I just mean...it seems odd how close they were released together Feb 09 18:37:48 why would you get a 2 if you can get a 3 Feb 09 18:37:57 And I think the wider audience would pay more attention if they changed the form factor once in a while Feb 09 18:38:00 mixed things up a bit Feb 09 18:38:01 well, you can't even buy a pre2 in the US Feb 09 18:38:09 is the pre 2 released yet? Feb 09 18:38:21 summer omg Feb 09 18:38:28 okay - no new phones so far, available NOW - so i hope for webOS release today!! Feb 09 18:38:35 Boopop: Apple hasn't changed the iPhone form factor. That seems to be working out well for them. Feb 09 18:38:35 ^ Feb 09 18:38:39 wow look at that pre 3 stacked up to the veer Feb 09 18:38:44 dgathright: Fair point. Feb 09 18:38:52 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/palmtb0098.jpg if you haven't seen it Feb 09 18:38:54 Tablet coming! Feb 09 18:38:59 Cool! Also great news: You can program the WebOS devices with BASIC now: http://www.glbasic.com?main.php?size=news Feb 09 18:39:01 well, touchpad isnt that bad of a name Feb 09 18:39:14 not as good as palmpad though Feb 09 18:39:28 http://www.glbasic.com?main.php?site=news - typo Feb 09 18:39:30 wow Feb 09 18:39:33 touchpad is gourgeious Feb 09 18:39:47 bet they won't say the price :( Feb 09 18:39:52 Who wants to buy my iPad? Feb 09 18:40:12 I'd be tempted to get one if the price was right...I don't like the iPad and the Android tablet market is...fractured Feb 09 18:40:32 Boopop how is android market fractured ? Feb 09 18:40:39 note - tablet Feb 09 18:40:40 1.3 mp webcam? fail Feb 09 18:40:40 s/market/tablet Feb 09 18:40:56 c'mon, we don't need a 10mp camera, but 1.3 is horrible Feb 09 18:40:58 I remember reading that all the different manufacturers had to have their own app market Feb 09 18:41:13 unless that's changed with the later versions of Android? Feb 09 18:41:29 the tablet looks swwet! Feb 09 18:41:33 sweet Feb 09 18:41:58 higher res and better camera would be nice :/ Feb 09 18:42:00 LoneStar99 i love there wallpaper :D Feb 09 18:42:05 slower than the phone...does that mean an earlier release? Feb 09 18:42:16 they JUST announced it and its not fancy enough for ya? Feb 09 18:42:18 lol Feb 09 18:42:32 hahahaha Feb 09 18:42:43 dual core processor Feb 09 18:42:46 on pad Feb 09 18:42:50 is what I heard earlier Feb 09 18:42:55 yes Feb 09 18:42:56 so it's not technically slower Feb 09 18:42:57 yeah Feb 09 18:42:58 lol that's right Feb 09 18:43:00 looks like they won't announce webOS 2.X release for older phones today =( Feb 09 18:43:06 they had an opportunity earlier Feb 09 18:43:12 I was just hoping they're going to actually release something Feb 09 18:43:17 I'm not getting any of dieter's pics anymore Feb 09 18:43:24 are they gona annouce tablet developer challege? Feb 09 18:43:25 lol Feb 09 18:43:27 =D Feb 09 18:43:42 messaging app looks nice Feb 09 18:43:45 keyboard looks simlar to ipad Feb 09 18:43:45 combined profile...nifty Feb 09 18:43:49 This better be available soon. Feb 09 18:43:53 Josef_B: for starters, Android is fractured since devices often can't be upgraded past the os they ship with Feb 09 18:44:12 bmidgley true .. unless you find a rom that has the updated os / firmware Feb 09 18:44:16 engadget has given up on typing Feb 09 18:44:30 nothing wrong with device porn Feb 09 18:44:31 bmidgley, android have OTA upgrade Feb 09 18:44:35 words get in the way Feb 09 18:44:35 hmmm... vpn with pptp or not? Feb 09 18:44:48 thats it - available NOW (hopefully) Feb 09 18:44:50 do any phones do 802.11n? Feb 09 18:45:00 "Touchpad at Work" Who'd use a tablet device at an office job Feb 09 18:45:01 lol Feb 09 18:45:07 phones are the only thing keeping my network on b/g Feb 09 18:45:08 another question, will they have blue tooth keyboard like iPads? Feb 09 18:45:11 wow i think apple does this on purpose .. this touchpad rocks .. but then there gonna blow us away with ipad2 Feb 09 18:45:12 lol Feb 09 18:45:13 oh, nvm lol Feb 09 18:45:22 that email app looks a lot like the enyo demo at devdays.. Feb 09 18:45:54 wtf pre3 already Feb 09 18:46:06 yah Feb 09 18:46:13 nycaene, if you look at the numbers, ios and webos soundly beat android on having most users on the latest os Feb 09 18:46:14 i think pre 2 is the vista of webos Feb 09 18:46:15 lol Feb 09 18:46:19 duh... enyo email demo had to be how they were working on the pad Feb 09 18:46:22 There's your keyboard Feb 09 18:46:24 it's no longer palm pre tho Feb 09 18:46:27 it's hp pre Feb 09 18:46:28 it doesn't matter if people "can" hack an upgrade or if the carrier "can" upgrade ota Feb 09 18:46:28 It's like HyperApple Feb 09 18:46:31 rick-work: sure Feb 09 18:46:31 omg i want to stop and watch the video later Feb 09 18:46:35 but i can't stop Feb 09 18:46:43 nyceane i gave up on vista the first 3 days i had it Feb 09 18:46:57 bah, this covertitlive thing is starting to suck Feb 09 18:46:57 i used my pre 2 for about an hour Feb 09 18:47:00 :/ Feb 09 18:47:24 nyceane: lol you might be right --> vista --> pre2 Feb 09 18:47:24 Josef_B: Closest I got to using Vista was dual boot with with XP, only ever booted Vista for shits xD Feb 09 18:48:20 ok the stand is pretty decent Feb 09 18:48:51 I like the new touch stone auto syncs everything lol Feb 09 18:49:20 O.O Feb 09 18:49:26 did it just sync his text? Feb 09 18:49:45 apparently Feb 09 18:49:54 and he can use it to do calls too Feb 09 18:49:56 O.o Feb 09 18:50:00 hp needs to twist amazon's arm and give us a kindle app Feb 09 18:50:01 holy crap. Feb 09 18:50:10 I'm sure it will happen soon Feb 09 18:50:19 this was the hardware the OS needed to get up on it's feet Feb 09 18:50:34 Sad, the UI still says "Just type..." instead of "Boom action time" Feb 09 18:50:50 We can fix that Feb 09 18:50:59 haha Feb 09 18:51:10 twist barnes and noble too Feb 09 18:51:19 this palm event is overload Feb 09 18:51:19 ooohhh doc'ed pre and sms and phone calls on the pad. Feb 09 18:51:20 notifications at top now...hmmm Feb 09 18:51:21 neat Feb 09 18:51:21 im just getting used to my palm pre plus 0_o Feb 09 18:51:31 three live blog windows going.... Feb 09 18:51:43 plus irc. I'm really glad I have two monitors Feb 09 18:51:43 want.... Feb 09 18:51:52 But I dunno which I want yet Feb 09 18:52:26 like the fact that notification have been moved to the top. knew the bottom wouldn't work well at a tablet-scale. Feb 09 18:52:43 ya, growl-style is excellent though Feb 09 18:52:50 it's hard to see how the ui plays out in screenshots Feb 09 18:53:02 the pre was probably one of my fav phones, it was jsut gimped memory wise Feb 09 18:53:31 dual core 1.2GHz! Feb 09 18:53:34 Am I the only one who rarely upgrades phones and the pre was my first smartphone? xD Feb 09 18:53:43 Well, was and is Feb 09 18:53:58 i rarely upgrade phones Feb 09 18:54:07 but the treo was my first smartphone Feb 09 18:54:10 mikedg: I'd have to say "and OS-wise too". webOS 1.* is nice, but far from a final product. the Java subsystem really killed performance. Feb 09 18:54:11 I spent £170 on my pre Feb 09 18:54:13 Boopop: I had a treo 755p before the pre that was my first smartphone Feb 09 18:54:24 and the pre turned out to not be a treo upgrade Feb 09 18:54:27 I don't intend to spend £200+ on a new phohne any time soon Feb 09 18:55:58 with the tablet would have netflix Feb 09 18:56:00 So who thinks we're gonna get any news on wOS 2.1 on old hardware?...I'm having my doubt Feb 09 18:56:02 doubts* Feb 09 18:57:36 Boopop: if we hear anything, it will probably be during the dev part Feb 09 18:57:44 imo Feb 09 18:58:01 is there any talk about software yet? Feb 09 18:58:08 There was a little Feb 09 18:58:10 Orithma: yes Feb 09 18:58:13 it will run webos Feb 09 18:58:20 and there will be a webbrowser Feb 09 18:58:22 they were bigging up how webOS beat others in that bowl thing or whatever it was Feb 09 18:58:35 hmmm Feb 09 18:59:02 they did show the netflix logo once lol Feb 09 18:59:24 i'm totally stoked all these devices are coming out... but these are the things they've needed to put out to stay alive Feb 09 18:59:32 i'm not seeing anything "beyond" yet Feb 09 18:59:33 not to be mean Feb 09 18:59:44 i think palm copied the ipad sorr .. thats just me Feb 09 18:59:46 I'd have to agree with you there Orithma Feb 09 18:59:47 they really ahouldn't wait till summer Feb 09 19:00:08 It's good but it doesn't seem like anything that's beyond what Android or iOS could do Feb 09 19:00:13 none of it's REALLY original Feb 09 19:00:22 josef: they just made all of it better Feb 09 19:00:23 Maybe that's just me Feb 09 19:00:25 and if they want to capture market share, they're going to need speed to market and some newer software offering to update their image Feb 09 19:00:29 not just a rebrand to HP Feb 09 19:00:30 contradude very very true Feb 09 19:01:01 Josef_B: no one copied an ipad... you can't Feb 09 19:01:01 they took everything everyone else was doing, did it better, and used synergy to drive it Feb 09 19:01:06 and will actually get software updates Feb 09 19:01:08 honestly, it's going to be a beastly tab Feb 09 19:01:08 it's a tablet Feb 09 19:01:27 but software man Feb 09 19:01:29 software Feb 09 19:01:31 besides, how could it copy the ipad if it has flash Feb 09 19:01:34 ? Feb 09 19:01:40 ^ ha xD Feb 09 19:01:49 i don't want flash Feb 09 19:01:51 the hardware is there, and they're going to push it global Feb 09 19:01:58 http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/ Feb 09 19:02:00 I like how Apple decides that their users shouldn't want Flash Feb 09 19:02:06 good for you, orithma. the internet for the moment runs on it Feb 09 19:02:08 let the users decide whether they want flash or not Feb 09 19:02:16 contradude: no it doesn't Feb 09 19:02:24 resizable virtual keyboard, that's cool Feb 09 19:02:28 yup Feb 09 19:02:42 hmmm Feb 09 19:02:54 where's the usual suspects... i'm surprised torchie isn't going off Feb 09 19:03:00 it does sort of seem like the phones are an afterthought :/ which maybe it's because they spent a lot of time refining webOS for a tablet, but i dunno Feb 09 19:03:05 he went to class Feb 09 19:03:07 Orithma: I get what you're saying and I agree. It's just nice to be able to look at websites without having them reformatted for ipad Feb 09 19:03:08 sorry off the topic .. i can't belive i just thought of the rocks quotes Feb 09 19:03:08 poor guy Feb 09 19:03:08 wait... he did earlier :D Feb 09 19:03:17 It dosent matter what your name is Feb 09 19:03:34 How long is this thing by the way? Feb 09 19:03:34 maik, exactly... Feb 09 19:03:39 finally, integration with hp printers in the photo app Feb 09 19:03:39 :-) Feb 09 19:03:44 and why only TWO phones again!? Feb 09 19:03:54 "A-GPS (3G models only)" from the tech specs page... means wifi versions, yay! Feb 09 19:03:58 can the brand not produce more than TWO phones at a time? :P Feb 09 19:04:13 how many does apple make? Feb 09 19:04:23 different. Feb 09 19:04:28 that many printers must mean cups Feb 09 19:04:30 Orithma: Can you think of any other company that also develops their own OS as well as phones that releases more than 2 at a time? Feb 09 19:04:34 "wireless printing to almost all of the devices we've shipped over the last few years" !? Feb 09 19:04:45 everyone is missing my point Feb 09 19:04:50 if you're a company that's in a slump Feb 09 19:05:01 dump all over the market? Feb 09 19:05:03 and going to get your community to "think beyond" Feb 09 19:05:20 you need to break out the mold Feb 09 19:05:20 that's the GM strategy Feb 09 19:05:26 I knew they couldn't have a pad without kindle Feb 09 19:05:33 Orithma: I'd say if you're a company in a slump, you put real focus into a few select products and make sure they're as close to perfect as possible, rather than release 10 different half baked products Feb 09 19:06:22 i don't know... Feb 09 19:06:36 i think the Veer is good... new name, smaller form factor Feb 09 19:06:37 only one camera right? Feb 09 19:06:52 probably Feb 09 19:07:00 i don't know if "tiny Pre" was the way to go, but time will tell Feb 09 19:07:22 apple just makes it thinner, you still have lots of screen real estate Feb 09 19:07:23 i'll still hold on to my guns... they need a new OS announcement Feb 09 19:07:24 oooh Kindle app Feb 09 19:07:26 ^ Feb 09 19:07:33 i want to know what's coming down the pipes god damnit Feb 09 19:07:37 the veer is for girls with tiny purses Feb 09 19:07:50 heh, I broke the Kindle news before anyone else :) Feb 09 19:07:57 lol yes Feb 09 19:08:03 * dgathright appluads Feb 09 19:08:11 yay kindle! Feb 09 19:08:23 summer release SUCKS Feb 09 19:08:27 yeah that was painful Feb 09 19:08:31 * EvaDragus is ready to buy today. Feb 09 19:08:32 nice, about time re kindle Feb 09 19:08:45 phones should get it too Feb 09 19:09:07 summer fucking release Feb 09 19:09:13 video calls. Cool Feb 09 19:09:20 I hate page turn animations... I just want the new text to appear or slide in Feb 09 19:09:22 it happens though Feb 09 19:09:33 the hardware to make this possible just came available Feb 09 19:09:39 they have to start making them en masse Feb 09 19:09:57 The pre 3 looks decent. What the pre 1 should have been Feb 09 19:09:58 and I can't get Iron or FF to submit the stupid "notify me" form at palm.com now Feb 09 19:10:02 wtf? Feb 09 19:10:23 I guess nothing for sprint Feb 09 19:10:38 marss: pre 1 was the best hardware available at release Feb 09 19:10:42 minus the camera Feb 09 19:10:54 It was mad slow at release Feb 09 19:11:03 that was the software Feb 09 19:11:05 marss: that's because webos is heavy Feb 09 19:11:10 i liked the pre camera Feb 09 19:11:12 way moreso than iOS Feb 09 19:11:14 webos 2.0 on my sprint pre was quite a bit faster Feb 09 19:11:45 Releasing something slow killed it for many Feb 09 19:11:47 How have people managed to get webOS 2.0 on normal pres anyway? from what I hear it's just shear luck Feb 09 19:11:58 http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/ Feb 09 19:12:25 oi Feb 09 19:12:28 think beyond Feb 09 19:12:33 oh this summer Feb 09 19:12:41 good bye, i will have bought my $800 xoom by then Feb 09 19:12:48 destinal-work: were you able to submit that form? Feb 09 19:12:58 lol Feb 09 19:12:59 you have to be in some sort of secret squirrel uber secret un mentionable pre-release program, and if you were, them you might be able to get doctors which put webso2 on sprint pres. Or perhaps not. How would I know? Feb 09 19:13:40 i want this touchpad Feb 09 19:13:46 and the pre3 Feb 09 19:13:56 am I the only one bored by tvee and pre3? I thought something mega would come out :( Feb 09 19:14:05 I'm okay with my pre+ I just want that touchpad Feb 09 19:14:10 rick-work: Was asking contradude who said he had webos 2.0 on an original pre :P Feb 09 19:14:12 i must admit, i wasn't much of a fan of the webos tablet... but now that i read about it i think i'd use it Feb 09 19:14:13 thomaschaaf: mega? Feb 09 19:14:17 mega like what? Feb 09 19:14:22 this is exactly what we expected Feb 09 19:14:27 new design.. Feb 09 19:14:29 first Feb 09 19:14:30 Is the Pre2 ever going to see the light of day in the US? Feb 09 19:14:38 I kinda sorta do boopop Feb 09 19:14:47 who wants a pre2 with the pre3 there Feb 09 19:14:50 it owns the pre2 Feb 09 19:14:51 dgathright: they said Pre2 will ship tomorrow from VZW Feb 09 19:14:52 i think Feb 09 19:14:56 by an order of magnitude Feb 09 19:14:59 dgathright: Pre 2 on vzw pre-order tomorrow Feb 09 19:15:08 contradude: Was it proper official webOS 2 or the hacked thing I read about? or whatever it was Feb 09 19:15:08 EvaDragus: can't submit the form, no Feb 09 19:15:08 Ah, missed that part Feb 09 19:15:12 ah preorder Feb 09 19:15:18 destinal-work: yay, it's not just me :D Feb 09 19:15:18 heh, pre...order Feb 09 19:15:18 it was the leaked one Feb 09 19:15:23 still a little buggy Feb 09 19:15:27 but much better Feb 09 19:15:28 EvaDragus: actually wait it finally went through Feb 09 19:15:29 Ahh right Feb 09 19:15:32 erg Feb 09 19:15:37 I went back because of no uberkernel Feb 09 19:15:37 thomaschaaf, earlier they said pre2 available on verzion pre order tomorrow... I think Feb 09 19:15:39 wifi touchpad in the summer Feb 09 19:15:40 all we need now is web0s 2.0 to hit all the existing pre/pixi +/- so people can make hybrid apps for all Feb 09 19:15:44 Thanks for signing up. You'll receive the latest news about HP TouchPad, Veer and Pre3. Feb 09 19:15:51 oops, dgathright ^ Feb 09 19:15:52 krushia: yeah Feb 09 19:15:55 "NOTHING IS AVAILABLE sooner than Spring " Feb 09 19:16:06 destinal-work: yeah, just got that...now did it register the one where I didn't chekc the spam me box or when I did... Feb 09 19:16:06 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre3/index.html Feb 09 19:16:07 Hope that doesn't include the new vers of the OS =/ Feb 09 19:16:39 * krushia personally has a few hybrid apps he's been holding back Feb 09 19:17:12 This is typical Palm, amazing products, but 6 months out. By that time, so many competitors will have had a chance to replicate. Feb 09 19:17:21 yep Feb 09 19:17:24 iphone 5 Feb 09 19:17:28 so what about the whole "devices will ship within weeks" Feb 09 19:17:30 17 android devices Feb 09 19:17:45 so, is it now time to get super-pissed that YET AGAIN THERE IS NO FUCKING SPRINT DEVICE? Feb 09 19:17:45 i mean come on Feb 09 19:17:48 maik: They will ship within weeks...just a lot of weeks =/ Feb 09 19:17:52 :( Feb 09 19:18:04 wait, no sprint? Feb 09 19:18:15 * halfhalo looked up sprints ETF due to that Feb 09 19:18:18 haven't seen a single mention of CDMA except maybe the Veer? Feb 09 19:18:21 which blows Feb 09 19:18:29 quickoffice alone will be a huge push. who wants a smartphone that can't edit a spreadsheet? Feb 09 19:18:43 didn't they say Pre3 is going to do CDMA RevA world? Feb 09 19:18:46 Any people from the UK here? Feb 09 19:18:56 maik: yeah, both evdo rev a and gsm Feb 09 19:19:00 ya Feb 09 19:19:02 see? Feb 09 19:19:03 did google maps get an upgrade? Feb 09 19:19:12 * maik calms EvaDragus and halfhalo Feb 09 19:19:14 http://www.palm.com/us/assets/images/products/phones/pre3/overview-notifications.png Feb 09 19:19:33 * halfhalo has been planning to leave sprint for a while due to lack of service at his house Feb 09 19:19:37 maik: doens't mean sprint is getting it, thouhg, I do hope so Feb 09 19:19:47 Yea Google maps is super slow Feb 09 19:19:48 halfhalo: did you call sprint up for a free femtocell? Feb 09 19:19:52 let's keep our fingers crossed Feb 09 19:20:11 Sprint gave me a free airave for service Feb 09 19:20:17 maik: is that EVDO rev A world === CDMA? Feb 09 19:20:22 yeah, airrave == femtocell Feb 09 19:20:32 EvaDragus: EVDO is CDMA, yes Feb 09 19:20:37 okay, thanks :D Feb 09 19:20:44 EvaDragus: evdo == cdma == US only, for the most part Feb 09 19:20:52 right Feb 09 19:21:00 gkatsev: I did a while ago and they said no, but I also get not so great service at work Feb 09 19:21:08 I really want to go to tmo Feb 09 19:21:43 i don't want to leave Sprint, but if they don't get any webOS devices i'm going to feel the need to have to Feb 09 19:22:05 if they dont get pre3 Feb 09 19:22:08 * oil WILL be leaving Feb 09 19:22:09 halfhalo: call them up and say you want to cancel account because of terrible service. Try to get escalated to a manager. You should get a free airrave then Feb 09 19:22:12 maik: well, sounds like I was jumpy...but who knows WHEN? Feb 09 19:22:15 I would hate to leave sprints PRICING Feb 09 19:22:19 Jeez. Feb 09 19:22:21 halfhalo: not that I'm saying you should stay for sprint Feb 09 19:22:33 i really wonder if on all this new hotness... if google maps will actually be updated Feb 09 19:22:40 rick-work: if i go verizon, i can get a discount because the company i work for has a business account or whatever with them Feb 09 19:22:42 gkatsev: I'm going to yell at my cousin next time I see here (she works for sprint) Feb 09 19:22:46 i haven't compared pricing, are Sprint the cheapest? Feb 09 19:22:49 google maps on android is light years from what webos has seen so far Feb 09 19:22:50 halfhalo: lol, that works too Feb 09 19:23:19 Yeah, if vzw gets the stuff, I'll most likely end up going back to them (since I can go on a family plan again and my other cousin works for them) Feb 09 19:23:19 considering i moved to sprint from uscellular FOR the pre, moving to verizon for the pre3 isn't a big step :) Feb 09 19:23:24 though, sprint now costs the same as the rest, except you stil get more for the same price Feb 09 19:24:31 lets see =| Feb 09 19:25:43 oh, apparently I can has att discounts Feb 09 19:26:01 but no cheeseburger? Feb 09 19:26:13 Not until lunch Feb 09 19:26:16 lol Feb 09 19:26:46 moving to att would a) double my cell phone bill and b) result in a massively horrible lower level of coverage. Feb 09 19:27:19 att is about the same price, but Signal at my house/work Feb 09 19:27:23 thats my prob with sprint Feb 09 19:27:28 doesn't work for shit Feb 09 19:27:29 But TMo is by far the best around here Feb 09 19:27:33 so no announcements about pricing or carriers ? Feb 09 19:27:33 i need to go to verizon Feb 09 19:27:47 finally Feb 09 19:27:48 back Feb 09 19:27:49 from english Feb 09 19:27:51 what happened Feb 09 19:27:55 tmo is the best somewhere? Feb 09 19:27:57 veer, pre3, tablet Feb 09 19:28:01 oil: SoCal Feb 09 19:28:02 where is this mythical place? Feb 09 19:28:04 lol Feb 09 19:28:05 pre3 is 1.4GHz Feb 09 19:28:12 tablet is dual core 1.2GHz Feb 09 19:28:20 pre3 has 5mp cam and front-facing cam Feb 09 19:28:22 get ready to make all your apps work on more resolutions Feb 09 19:28:28 att has esseentially zero signal at work, at home, and at most shopping areas here, and price is -not- the same Feb 09 19:28:28 webos on tablet looks SEXY Feb 09 19:28:30 http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/webos-hp-palm-developers/ Feb 09 19:28:33 SineOt Feb 09 19:28:33 veer is 360px wide, and pre3 is 400px Feb 09 19:28:43 Clearly coverage is better in the UK than the US! but then the US is a lot bigger ofc xD Feb 09 19:28:43 Veer is a mini-Pre Feb 09 19:29:00 is it the same resolution? Feb 09 19:29:14 torchie: sadly not, same as pixi res others have said Feb 09 19:29:17 ugh Feb 09 19:29:19 fragmentation! Feb 09 19:29:19 so nothing is available soon? Feb 09 19:29:21 dieterbohn: Be Back shortly.... Feb 09 19:29:22 ahhh Feb 09 19:29:24 pre and pixi are 320px wide Feb 09 19:29:27 this summer Feb 09 19:29:32 I dunno about that thing Feb 09 19:29:35 the veer Feb 09 19:29:51 gonna go buy a pizza Feb 09 19:29:53 ciao for now Feb 09 19:30:00 do we still need to register with nickserv? Feb 09 19:30:08 pizza sounds more exciting than Beats by dr.dre Feb 09 19:30:09 no, we can see you :) Feb 09 19:30:14 lies Feb 09 19:30:14 CTLAdvance-pre2 when you get your pre2 ? Feb 09 19:30:14 torchie: fragmentation? it's *web* os Feb 09 19:30:14 i have no idea what that is Feb 09 19:30:18 Boopop --- england and scotland and wales put together are smaller than kansas. Feb 09 19:30:20 afyernoon everyone Feb 09 19:30:20 FRAGMENTAAAAATION Feb 09 19:30:21 anyway Feb 09 19:30:22 or morning Feb 09 19:30:24 pre3 ooh Feb 09 19:30:27 slider Feb 09 19:30:27 weird that the beats guy mentioned Apple Feb 09 19:30:28 :( Feb 09 19:30:33 torchie: resolution independence should be what it's all about Feb 09 19:30:35 slideeeeeer Feb 09 19:30:40 like, did you not get this list of words you aren't allowed to say? Feb 09 19:30:41 CTLAdvance-pre2 your pre2 is obsolete lol :D Feb 09 19:30:44 rick-work: I have looked at a world map you know, I do know the size difference :P Feb 09 19:30:44 pre 2 since 12/24 Feb 09 19:30:46 destinal yeah Feb 09 19:30:54 but what of the aspect ratio Feb 09 19:31:03 ooh, zing re: Dell audio Feb 09 19:31:19 so Feb 09 19:31:21 i so so so badly want to know if pre3 will have a useful google maps and voice search Feb 09 19:31:22 3.6 inch hmmmmmmmmmmmm Feb 09 19:31:24 PLEASE. Feb 09 19:31:27 torchie: eh, the web works on lots of aspect ratios Feb 09 19:31:27 whats up with palm.com/us .. there is still a counter Feb 09 19:31:30 lol,I have it now though don't need to wait till summer Feb 09 19:31:35 yeah palm'll have to rock the maps Feb 09 19:31:35 Boopop yeah, but then, there's the second part. in that big area, we gots less than 2 million peoples. :-) So there isn't very many cell towers. Feb 09 19:31:45 Josef_B: it's counting down to 12pm local time I tihnk, but it may be buggy Feb 09 19:31:48 TORCHIE Feb 09 19:31:53 ...so? Feb 09 19:31:55 :D Feb 09 19:32:03 FRONT FACING CAMERA Feb 09 19:32:06 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH Feb 09 19:32:11 yeah there's some good stuff Feb 09 19:32:18 CTLAdvance-pre2: you too... what're your thoughts Feb 09 19:32:32 world phone Feb 09 19:32:35 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH Feb 09 19:32:40 but.. what about the core features/services? maps? navigation? voice? Feb 09 19:32:46 available this summer Feb 09 19:32:47 ... Feb 09 19:32:50 stuff that android has been doing for how long? Feb 09 19:32:51 there it goes Feb 09 19:32:52 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Feb 09 19:32:52 please please Feb 09 19:32:58 http://www.palm.com/us/ < -- check it Feb 09 19:33:03 it has everything now Feb 09 19:33:04 lol Feb 09 19:33:08 ugh why 3.6... and this summer Feb 09 19:33:09 summer? Feb 09 19:33:11 SUMMER? Feb 09 19:33:11 no more counter Feb 09 19:33:20 though pad looks great Feb 09 19:33:20 yes, it's stupid Feb 09 19:33:20 why were there things on the hp.com store website Feb 09 19:33:24 you think he's gonna get in trouble for saying "Apple has been working with us on it and they're great." Feb 09 19:33:25 and this thing is coming out in the summer Feb 09 19:33:25 wait is not Feb 09 19:33:28 why is no one more upset about software Feb 09 19:33:30 lol Feb 09 19:33:36 when we're going to friggin Feb 09 19:33:39 torchie in coming months Feb 09 19:33:39 asdfas Feb 09 19:33:40 what's wrong with the software? Feb 09 19:33:43 mugen[dsktp]: yeah Feb 09 19:33:44 the iphone 5 is coming out in the coming months Feb 09 19:33:59 dave, nothings wrong... I just want to know what the future of webOS looks like Feb 09 19:34:09 the OS is great, the app/software that you get is pretty crap compared to competition Feb 09 19:34:12 2.0 has been around for a minute now, and i want to know what's in the oven Feb 09 19:34:12 8gb or 16gb Feb 09 19:34:14 D: Feb 09 19:34:27 so let me confirm: no pricing or carrier info and we are supposed to be excited ? Feb 09 19:34:38 heh Feb 09 19:34:40 yeah, there's that too Feb 09 19:34:43 they'll tack that on at the end probably Feb 09 19:34:43 did you not see the device porn? Feb 09 19:34:45 hopefully Feb 09 19:34:45 is it even done yet? Feb 09 19:34:46 techcrunch until summer Feb 09 19:34:53 it's not over yet? Feb 09 19:35:05 massive amounts of wonderful device porn Feb 09 19:35:12 the price needs to be lower than the ipad or competing devices or they are done already Feb 09 19:35:14 imo Feb 09 19:35:14 if they pull a motorola like with the xoom... i'm going to go ballistic Feb 09 19:35:16 mmmm porn Feb 09 19:35:18 I'm betting the entire HP group on hand heard the word apple in a positive light and made a mental note to give him hell later ;) Feb 09 19:35:19 mmm, dev porn Feb 09 19:35:21 errr, device pron, ^_^ Feb 09 19:35:22 touchpad looks pretty hot Feb 09 19:35:23 er Feb 09 19:35:31 I dunno about the pre 3 Feb 09 19:35:59 effing HP Feb 09 19:36:02 so we need some veer wristwatches Feb 09 19:36:08 Pre2 never comes out to the public Feb 09 19:36:09 lol Feb 09 19:36:09 deliciousmorsel: ? Feb 09 19:36:14 haha Feb 09 19:36:15 deliciousmorsel: tomorrow :P Feb 09 19:36:17 * EvaDragus will be getting a Pre 3 IF it gets to Sprint. Feb 09 19:36:18 and i get one to do testing on Feb 09 19:36:20 and for nothing Feb 09 19:36:21 that's because pre2 was a waste of time Feb 09 19:36:26 "twice the memory of the pre 2" Feb 09 19:36:30 pandora--: no kidding Feb 09 19:36:31 you mean... 1 GB? Feb 09 19:36:34 LOL Feb 09 19:36:40 math is good. Feb 09 19:36:40 I like dual core Feb 09 19:36:45 yes Feb 09 19:36:47 webos won't lag finally Feb 09 19:36:51 heh Feb 09 19:36:58 if I were eligible for upgrade I'd probably get a pre2 on verizon tomorrow Feb 09 19:37:10 google maps will still take 30 seconds to load before tellin you that you need an internet connection though Feb 09 19:37:13 well pre2 was apparently smooth Feb 09 19:37:13 HA! Feb 09 19:37:19 I'll never know, since I'll never see one in person Feb 09 19:37:22 yeah, i'm doing a pre2 if it actually comes out Feb 09 19:37:26 all this money burning a hole in my pocket Feb 09 19:37:34 droid X? Feb 09 19:37:35 better not be no freaking $200 Feb 09 19:37:35 :P Feb 09 19:37:37 upgrade money doubling in a month Feb 09 19:37:40 and the pre 3 Feb 09 19:37:41 mugen[dsktp], they said pre2 on verizon preorder tomorrow Feb 09 19:37:41 comes out Feb 09 19:37:44 this summer. Feb 09 19:37:49 Now that I know nothing is coming out on Sprint anytime soon. Time to build a FrankenPre Feb 09 19:37:50 RagingMind: price? Feb 09 19:37:52 the question now, can des get this hardware early,and where is enyo Feb 09 19:37:56 this is gonna be the treo pro situation all over again isnt it Feb 09 19:38:05 CTLAdvance-pre2: EXACTLY! Software! Feb 09 19:38:18 where is enyo indeed Feb 09 19:38:25 mugen[dsktp], I didn't see that in the engadget notes :( Feb 09 19:38:30 tonight? Feb 09 19:38:38 it's "after the first of the year"...where is the enyo early access signup? Feb 09 19:39:09 we can't all be lucky with apps that generate millions of downloads, if that happens to be the barrier to entry Feb 09 19:39:21 EvaDragus: wait for the dev event tonight Feb 09 19:39:27 "new webOS development framework being shown tonight " Feb 09 19:39:28 EvaDragus: believe it or not, its still after the first of the year Feb 09 19:39:33 untill its not this year anymore :) Feb 09 19:39:34 so more Enyo demos Feb 09 19:39:37 whyyyy pre3 whyyyyy Feb 09 19:39:42 lol Feb 09 19:39:46 guessing we'll find out a release date tonight Feb 09 19:39:52 oil: it's goingto be after the first of this year for the rest of time Feb 09 19:40:00 are there any videos of the PalmPad in use? Feb 09 19:40:01 lol Feb 09 19:40:08 why pre 3 without a 4 inch screen... Feb 09 19:40:12 all "after the first of the year" means is that we promise it won't come out before that ;) Feb 09 19:40:18 hehe Feb 09 19:40:19 hp isn't allowing anyone to do video Feb 09 19:40:21 3.6 is pretty good Feb 09 19:40:22 but Feb 09 19:40:25 WHY 8 GB Feb 09 19:40:36 Louder|laptop: hmmm Feb 09 19:40:38 mugen: Guessing video of today's event will be posted later today, that has lots of demos. Feb 09 19:40:40 there just straight up shouldn't be an 8GB variant in this day and age Feb 09 19:40:42 * EvaDragus hopes you guys are right about tonight, then. Feb 09 19:40:55 kk Feb 09 19:41:03 one of the bloggers said that HP has a pro camera crew working for the event Feb 09 19:41:05 3.6 is .7 less than 4.3.... OIL Feb 09 19:41:22 who wants a dinner plate in their pocket? Feb 09 19:41:23 not me Feb 09 19:41:28 so I'd assume we get HD video this afternoon Feb 09 19:41:46 I"m fine with the physical size of the Pre screen Feb 09 19:41:48 wonder if these things were ios smooth Feb 09 19:41:53 I'm no longer fine with the size of the screen Feb 09 19:41:54 the Veer is pretty tiny, though Feb 09 19:42:01 I feel like the veer just shouldn't exist Feb 09 19:42:08 wtf Feb 09 19:42:15 yeah, noone wants a small phone..ever Feb 09 19:42:17 if any of them should it's the veer Feb 09 19:42:21 bah Feb 09 19:42:24 torchie it has its place. My wife HATES the size of the pre. She wants a LITTLE phone Feb 09 19:42:25 except if you are a girl Feb 09 19:42:30 sarcasm ;) Feb 09 19:42:31 hahaha Feb 09 19:42:40 then they can put the efforts from that into giving the pre3 16gb minimum and coming out on time Feb 09 19:42:40 i always thought the pre was little Feb 09 19:42:41 EvaDragus: wants one then Feb 09 19:42:50 the pre isn't already preposterously tiny? Feb 09 19:42:52 I will have to see what it looks like Feb 09 19:42:56 in person Feb 09 19:42:58 it's smaller then the centro Feb 09 19:43:04 so what're you saying about girls that do want a pre formfactor? Feb 09 19:43:07 kinda manish? Feb 09 19:43:15 haha Feb 09 19:43:15 the pre is the same size as my last two phones mostly Feb 09 19:43:17 torchie: Dropping the Veer doesn't in any way mean the Pre3 comes out any sooner. Feb 09 19:43:18 i dont think your wife wants a smartphone then Feb 09 19:43:33 it means they'd be more focused at least dgathright Feb 09 19:43:33 mikedg she SAYS she does. Feb 09 19:43:44 oil its called a holster Feb 09 19:43:52 palm already tried the "lady who likes her phone to be cute and small" market Feb 09 19:43:56 well glad I got the look color for now Feb 09 19:43:57 nook Feb 09 19:43:58 remember how it turned out? Feb 09 19:44:01 a few months out likely means that they're already going through that carrier approval process Feb 09 19:44:02 holster, LOL Feb 09 19:44:04 shoot me now Feb 09 19:44:05 that market is noise Feb 09 19:44:10 will get palmpad when it drops Feb 09 19:44:12 i have pockets to carry my phone Feb 09 19:44:15 already carry something in a holster. Doen't want a second holster. Feb 09 19:44:15 i dont need a tool belt Feb 09 19:44:16 yeah holster is comedy Feb 09 19:44:17 I'll being you Feb 09 19:44:20 bing Feb 09 19:44:28 Dan spell check Feb 09 19:44:29 holster makes you look like a tool lol Feb 09 19:44:31 ugh Feb 09 19:44:34 it does Feb 09 19:44:44 torchie: That still doesn't mean it comes out any sooner. Feb 09 19:44:48 * oil points and laughs at CTLAdvance-pre2 for suggesting it Feb 09 19:44:49 if I'm going to holster I might as well go fanny pack and carry a tablet Feb 09 19:44:56 well then HP's got a problem on its hands Feb 09 19:45:06 and some dead weight with the veer Feb 09 19:45:19 that depends highly on the price Feb 09 19:45:32 if the veer is cheap it could be a good move Feb 09 19:45:33 I'm going to convert a hands-free harmonica holder so I can carry my TouchPad around right in front of my face Feb 09 19:45:36 torchie, I know people that would like something the size of the veer Feb 09 19:45:45 haha Feb 09 19:45:51 there were people that liked something the size of the pixi too Feb 09 19:46:14 I'd kinda be happy with the veer Feb 09 19:46:18 kinda Feb 09 19:46:19 and man was the pixi a game changer Feb 09 19:46:36 torchie pixi made money Feb 09 19:47:10 pixi would have been so much more popular I think, if sprint hadn't lobotomized it by pulling wifi out Feb 09 19:47:11 not every device is a game changer. Every device contributes to an ecosystem. Not everyone who SHOULD have a smartphone needs a mini-tab 4" beastoid. Feb 09 19:47:13 well at least the veer doesn't have a "girly" name now Feb 09 19:47:18 it's the pixi, only with the hardware to make it not suck. Feb 09 19:47:19 haha Feb 09 19:47:26 when the Pre3 drops, it will be coming up against the iPhone 5. Feb 09 19:47:27 4" is ridiculous Feb 09 19:47:35 but so is smaller than 3" Feb 09 19:47:46 iphone 5: we swear it won't drop calls or have its back shatter Feb 09 19:47:55 haha Feb 09 19:47:59 *shatter randomly Feb 09 19:48:03 dohtem: well pre3 is targeted at the kind of freedom and multitasking people want but apple won't give you Feb 09 19:48:07 hehe Feb 09 19:48:11 yeah my coworker has a droid checkbook, I mean X..damn that thing is huge.. Feb 09 19:48:21 when the pre drops, it will be coming up against the iphone 3GS. Feb 09 19:48:21 shame this tablet doesn't have a transflective screen or something Feb 09 19:48:34 and putting the focus on both business and personal use is smart Feb 09 19:48:34 iphone 3GS: we swear it won't drop calls or have its front shatter Feb 09 19:48:38 destinal-work: sales say people dont give a damn about "freedom" Feb 09 19:48:48 if they can really get corporate accounts interested it could be a big deal Feb 09 19:48:49 Boopop no screen specs yet, and all the devices you're seeing are pre-release. Feb 09 19:49:15 sigh. Wait another 6 months for a new phone. sigh. Feb 09 19:49:21 pretty much Feb 09 19:49:22 :/ Feb 09 19:49:28 eh and yet 4.3 inch screens outsell smaller ones in the flagship category Feb 09 19:49:35 it may be big Feb 09 19:49:46 dohtem: I'm willing to bet in the next year, pre will get a reputation for flexibility / capability that even android doesn't have and far beyond iphone Feb 09 19:49:47 4.0 would be better than 4.3 at least Feb 09 19:49:48 but that's why I have big pockets Feb 09 19:49:52 I'm quite happy with the size of my pre's screen Feb 09 19:50:04 Resolution could be improved ofc Feb 09 19:50:16 eh 5 would be the threshold Feb 09 19:51:21 how many partner demos are they going to go through? Feb 09 19:51:42 kindle for webos huh Feb 09 19:51:50 dgathright: heh Feb 09 19:51:53 well it is cloud based so they'd have to hook up with partner after partner Feb 09 19:51:54 dgathright: how was beer.js? Feb 09 19:52:05 * torchie sigh Feb 09 19:52:07 release data Feb 09 19:52:08 date Feb 09 19:52:24 lol Chief Digital Officer. I wonder if it hurt being quantized.. Feb 09 19:52:36 any information about the 2.0 update for pre- Feb 09 19:52:36 I'd prefer to stay an analog officer Feb 09 19:52:45 not yet torchie ='( Feb 09 19:52:54 pandora--: Fun. Good turnout. Good beer. :) Feb 09 19:52:58 phew Feb 09 19:52:59 I could attempt to have that tie me over until the pre3 comes out Feb 09 19:53:03 $50 Verizon Pixi Plus has shipped from 1saleaday Feb 09 19:53:24 dgathright: i allmmmmooost went, i was actually in SM last night Feb 09 19:53:28 engadget quit updating Feb 09 19:53:33 boooo for not coming Feb 09 19:53:36 hah Feb 09 19:53:38 yeah Feb 09 19:53:52 i just went home and got a burrito instead Feb 09 19:53:53 :P Feb 09 19:53:55 hah the thing where you tap the phone against another one to transfer state happened after all Feb 09 19:54:01 I had this odd feeling they were gonna definitely do that Feb 09 19:54:26 price prediction for the TouchPad? Would be thrilled with $500. Gotta be cheap to gain marketshare. Feb 09 19:54:47 no more OMAP it seems :( Feb 09 19:55:04 torchie: yup, sadly :( Feb 09 19:55:11 BEATS BY DR DRE TECHNOLOGY Feb 09 19:55:22 dgathright: Anymore than £300 and I def won't be buying it I'd say Feb 09 19:55:35 where's the Palm Dre ? Feb 09 19:55:52 i just want a new phone :( Feb 09 19:55:54 err HP now, sorry, no more Palm Feb 09 19:56:19 * oil has a mental image of dr. dre designing the chip infront of a computer Feb 09 19:56:22 haha Feb 09 19:56:31 Whoa Feb 09 19:56:34 webOS on a PC? hawt Feb 09 19:56:35 webOS to PCs :S Feb 09 19:56:36 webOS to PC...i dunno Feb 09 19:56:41 That's...odd Feb 09 19:56:58 don't they already have a touch screen all in one? Feb 09 19:57:04 webOS on PC is called.... a web browser. :) Feb 09 19:57:08 lol Feb 09 19:57:25 but a shiny webbrowser! Feb 09 19:57:26 dgathright: did they say webos on PC? Feb 09 19:57:28 I really don't think webOS would work well on a PC without a touch screen Feb 09 19:57:40 yeah destinal-work Feb 09 19:57:45 technically that's linux on the desktop, slashdot will go nuts Feb 09 19:57:50 webos on pc = fail webos skin on wind would be good Feb 09 19:57:55 win7 Feb 09 19:58:11 microsoft has that locked Feb 09 19:58:16 webos skin on win7 would be dumb Feb 09 19:58:21 CTLAdvance-pre2: actually with a touchscreen a native webos layer could be decent Feb 09 19:58:21 webos APP in every new HP PC to allow that touch to transfer thing from your phone/tab to your laptop Feb 09 19:58:24 that would be cool Feb 09 19:58:37 Yeah Feb 09 19:58:39 I hope the precentral guys have a chance to ask them about webOS 2.1 on old devices Feb 09 19:58:41 I'm a chromeos notebook pilot user Feb 09 19:58:51 PCs often have a pre-boot environment that can do some basic stuff, might as well be webos Feb 09 19:58:52 I would take a WebOS book any day of the week overit Feb 09 19:58:55 but it's not a big draw Feb 09 19:59:16 does anyone actually like Feb 09 19:59:16 no, but it would be cool to make the preboot environment actually useful Feb 09 19:59:19 use that preboot environment Feb 09 19:59:28 it just seems like a thing to have and not to actually use Feb 09 19:59:28 I do occasionally Feb 09 19:59:41 if I just need to check something superfast Feb 09 19:59:42 since it's not like Feb 09 19:59:46 the main OS Feb 09 19:59:50 but don't want to have to sign in Feb 09 19:59:59 and wait for all programs to boot Feb 09 20:00:02 how often do you reboot Feb 09 20:00:07 I want the phone to do something like the atrix does but with preboot stuffs Feb 09 20:00:17 wow its over Feb 09 20:00:18 lol Feb 09 20:00:27 webos on pcs what Feb 09 20:00:31 wait what Feb 09 20:00:32 over? Feb 09 20:00:39 looked like it Feb 09 20:00:42 I'm still seeing stuff Feb 09 20:00:43 dunno Feb 09 20:00:45 the most advanced Feb 09 20:00:48 cloud technology in le universe Feb 09 20:00:58 oh i looked over briefly Feb 09 20:01:03 then cloud is kinda shitty description Feb 09 20:01:05 NEBULA Feb 09 20:01:16 i store my info in the nebula Feb 09 20:01:18 wtf carriers!? Feb 09 20:01:19 nothing was mentioned about webos2.x on Pre Feb 09 20:01:22 damnit Feb 09 20:01:23 it's a space time nebula too... Feb 09 20:01:27 mugen[dsktp]: how about "the ether" Feb 09 20:01:34 yisssss! Feb 09 20:01:36 server in a cold dark room with deafening fan sounds Feb 09 20:01:49 haha Feb 09 20:01:52 not it you stop the fans! Feb 09 20:02:22 http://www.smartphoneexperts.com/sites/smartphoneexperts.com/files/liveblog/precentral-2328.JPG -- haha Jon in the 70s Feb 09 20:02:28 lol Feb 09 20:02:40 I like "everybody on" Feb 09 20:02:57 * halfhalo wants it all now Feb 09 20:03:15 yeah really Feb 09 20:03:24 halfhalo: Too bad. You'll have to wait 6 months. Ahh.... the life of a webOS fanboy Feb 09 20:03:25 I'm not sure what to think about this Feb 09 20:03:32 I mean it's awesome but it's not like Feb 09 20:03:34 happening right now Feb 09 20:03:36 dgathright: Not with a crowbar! Feb 09 20:03:44 no announcement of 2.x on pre- :( Feb 09 20:04:03 can webos 2 be ported to our devices .. like android .. some people had early 2.1 or 2.3 and they made custom roms .. does palm do that at all ? Feb 09 20:04:07 pre3 coming out in "summer" with a possible overshadow by iphone once again Feb 09 20:04:40 josef_b: They said 2.0 would work on Pre1 devices, but we've never heard any definitive plans for it. *sigh* Feb 09 20:04:47 i thought hp would have learned from the first pre Feb 09 20:04:50 that's unfortunate Feb 09 20:05:01 :/ Feb 09 20:05:13 I had really thought that they were going to ship today Feb 09 20:05:17 Is a Pre1 a sprint Pre? Feb 09 20:05:19 that would be nice Feb 09 20:05:27 webos2 mos def runs on pre plus Feb 09 20:05:28 funkatron: yeah Feb 09 20:05:34 shipping today would be like O SH Feb 09 20:05:38 COMEBACK MADE Feb 09 20:05:47 NO MENTION OF PRICE !!!!! AARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHh Feb 09 20:05:47 exactly Feb 09 20:05:48 but this is a 4 to 6 month void of nothing webOS Feb 09 20:06:00 and upon release, this thing has 8GB internal... Feb 09 20:06:04 *SIIIGHHHHH* Feb 09 20:06:05 no price, no carriers, how freaking frustrating Feb 09 20:06:12 no release date Feb 09 20:06:17 this is mobile world congress 2009 Feb 09 20:06:18 maik: MWC maybe? Feb 09 20:06:21 but slightly better Feb 09 20:06:34 even if it was just "we haven't finalized our carriers yet" Feb 09 20:06:37 would be better than this shit Feb 09 20:06:55 I'm just hearing "this thing isn't going to be on sprint or t-mobile" Feb 09 20:07:15 so... Feb 09 20:07:21 1.4.5 is still what I have Feb 09 20:07:26 gonna be like that. Feb 09 20:07:32 gah. Feb 09 20:07:43 buy a new phone Feb 09 20:07:49 heh Feb 09 20:07:49 droid x Feb 09 20:07:57 fuck a droid :/ Feb 09 20:08:04 what, iphone 4? Feb 09 20:08:10 * maik vomits Feb 09 20:08:32 I'm really feeling the treo pro situation again Feb 09 20:08:33 Are there any writeups on the Sprint comboard swaps to upgrade a Pre1 to 2? Feb 09 20:08:40 oh boy, palm's announcing a new phone and it's awesome! Feb 09 20:08:49 oh no, my centro broke Feb 09 20:08:53 palm doesn't have a release date Feb 09 20:09:16 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/pre3/HP_Pre3_Web.mov Feb 09 20:09:17 i'm certainly not waiting until summer to shell out a few hundred bucks to end up with a horribly outdated version of google maps Feb 09 20:09:20 I attempt to go for 3 months with a broken screened centro Feb 09 20:09:23 Whoa, still rocking the Centro? Feb 09 20:09:30 get treo pro, kicking and screaming Feb 09 20:09:44 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/touchpad/HP_TouchPad_Web.mov Feb 09 20:09:47 if you havet seenthem Feb 09 20:10:15 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/veer/HP_Veer_Web.mov Feb 09 20:10:56 so was that it on the event, or is there coming more? Feb 09 20:11:09 my pre feels like it'll break any second but at least it still kind of almost works Feb 09 20:11:12 there's a developer event tonight Feb 09 20:11:28 meet/greet/partay! Feb 09 20:11:30 the lack of new slate-form-factor androids on sprint is all that's stopping me from pulling the trigger too early Feb 09 20:11:40 tonight... meaning in a couple of hours? Feb 09 20:11:46 ... Feb 09 20:11:59 lol, just realized the fact that the Pre3, a phone, will shoot HD, and the TouchPad, a tablet, will have a 1.3 MP camera. Bummed about that. Feb 09 20:12:10 joetweeply: exactly 6 hours from now Feb 09 20:12:11 boo palm for having this event on a wednesday! Feb 09 20:12:14 i wanted to go Feb 09 20:12:15 I'm a bit concerned about the lack of back facing Feb 09 20:12:24 mid-week does not work if you're not in cali Feb 09 20:12:35 on the tablet? it's not a form factor people use for taking pictures Feb 09 20:12:39 oh noes... 3am in the morning Feb 09 20:12:57 I mean, I guess it's possible, but hardly something you keep in your pocket Feb 09 20:13:01 hope then they'll finally say something about the webos 2.0 coming to current devices Feb 09 20:13:06 amen Feb 09 20:13:35 it was announced for last year... this is already insane Feb 09 20:13:47 it's not a form factor you use for taking pictures until every device coming out to compete with it comes out with a back facing camera Feb 09 20:13:47 even out in the market, but not out for developers? that's just plain mean Feb 09 20:14:07 what 9" tablets have back-facing cameras? Feb 09 20:14:23 Some may, I just am not aware of them Feb 09 20:14:25 ridiculous ones Feb 09 20:14:28 also I'd use it to take pictures because sometimes, I'd be taking pictures of something I've read in the physical world with my phone Feb 09 20:14:32 I need one for my e-ink nook Feb 09 20:14:41 but the phone is a small screen to read such a thing Feb 09 20:14:43 Apple: Strike while the iron is hot. HP: Heat the iron, then let it cool for 6-7 months, then gently caress it. Feb 09 20:14:53 keep in mind that you may not be the average consumer, fwiw Feb 09 20:15:03 i dont think anyone here is Feb 09 20:15:10 right Feb 09 20:15:12 true... Feb 09 20:15:13 well first Feb 09 20:15:16 9.7 rounds up to 10 Feb 09 20:15:18 and second Feb 09 20:15:20 motorola xoom Feb 09 20:15:21 march Feb 09 20:15:24 Doens't matter, should have had the products ready to ship Feb 09 20:15:26 toshiba tablet Feb 09 20:15:27 fuck the xoom Feb 09 20:15:29 it'd be good to get that guy chatting it up though. Feb 09 20:15:47 and by that guy I mean the one that's always running around bragging about his new hardware Feb 09 20:15:50 fuck the xoom indeed except for the part where it's already part of a huge ecosystem and has a superbowl commercial and is shipping immediately Feb 09 20:15:56 when will the Touchpad go on sale? Feb 09 20:15:57 ugh... cmon carrier list and prices Feb 09 20:16:00 in the meantime, I bet Rim delivers the Playbook and the iPad 2 both will ship before the TouchPad Feb 09 20:16:01 I'm sure you all know one of him Feb 09 20:16:15 okay, if that's a key need for you, I guess buy a Xoom? Feb 09 20:16:22 if you have the money :P Feb 09 20:16:24 both of those will indeed ship first, yes Feb 09 20:16:28 I mean, use the device that works for you Feb 09 20:16:31 it's almost double the cost of the ipad Feb 09 20:16:40 oh god that just may be the case -- everyone's tablets being released before touchpad... Feb 09 20:17:12 Here is a note/question, I thought I read somewhere that the keyboard for the Touchpad actually wraps around the device Feb 09 20:17:24 So you can kind of carry them together Feb 09 20:17:29 What's the diff on the form factor between the Pre2 & 3? The front looks exactly the same. Is it thinner? Feb 09 20:17:31 like a sleeve Feb 09 20:17:37 the pre 3 has a bigger screen Feb 09 20:17:39 thinner Feb 09 20:17:46 bigger keyboard Feb 09 20:17:46 ah, yeah, thinner, and bigger screen Feb 09 20:17:47 does the pre3 have a camera flash? Feb 09 20:17:53 it better Feb 09 20:17:57 and double the resoultion, yes to camera flash Feb 09 20:18:08 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre3/index.html Feb 09 20:18:10 dohtem: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre3/index.html Feb 09 20:18:32 thanks Feb 09 20:18:40 aww, no gyroscope? Feb 09 20:18:45 NO GYROSCOPE? Feb 09 20:18:47 a;dfijs;aoiwefja;oweij;aoiejwf;aoefijw Feb 09 20:18:51 lol Feb 09 20:19:16 torchie: with accelerometer and compass, what can't you do? Feb 09 20:19:17 and I hope we devs have access to that compass Feb 09 20:19:26 play gun range Feb 09 20:19:30 Pre 2 320x480 resolution HVGA display ---- Pre 3 3.58-inch multitouch screen with a vibrant 24-bit color, 480x800 resolution WVGA display Feb 09 20:19:47 Pre3 is .9 mm thinner, so not much. but it is a bit taller and wider. Feb 09 20:19:56 or compete with a phone that came out last year Feb 09 20:19:59 so it will seem thinner Feb 09 20:20:07 destinal-work: games/apps that react to roll/pitch/yaw Feb 09 20:20:08 destinal-work torchie: with accelerometer and compass, what can't you do? --- Gyrate???? :P Feb 09 20:20:32 those games annoy the shit out of me Feb 09 20:20:44 the gyro tends to work better for it, tho Feb 09 20:20:45 I think between the two you can figure out the orientation of the device Feb 09 20:20:51 gun range is like Feb 09 20:20:52 amazing ok Feb 09 20:20:53 more precise and shizzle Feb 09 20:20:55 yeah, but the gyro is actually really important Feb 09 20:21:01 and they still don't have one Feb 09 20:21:06 Pre3 has n wireless Pre 2 has g Feb 09 20:21:07 and 8GB. Feb 09 20:21:15 you know which way it's pointing on the earth and what gravity is doing Feb 09 20:21:18 Pre 3 is a world phone Feb 09 20:21:24 it's a precision modifier to GPS and wayfinding Feb 09 20:21:28 rotation can be tracked Feb 09 20:21:30 world phone in what sense Feb 09 20:21:52 Pre 3 has autofocus Feb 09 20:21:57 whoo at least it has that Feb 09 20:21:59 why doesn't it have bt 3 or 4? :/ why don't any phones have that? Feb 09 20:22:06 sweet jesus. finally Feb 09 20:22:13 barcode scanning Feb 09 20:22:17 barcode scanning whaaat Feb 09 20:22:25 because BT 1 and 2 is adequate and no one cares about the other versions Feb 09 20:22:25 is hp's event still going Feb 09 20:22:38 torchie: with autofocus Feb 09 20:22:40 where is it going? Feb 09 20:22:49 oh Feb 09 20:22:52 there isn't an app yet? Feb 09 20:23:34 pixi has a larger battery than veer Feb 09 20:23:39 funkatron: but it would be nice to have the newest tech :) Feb 09 20:23:50 and not removable? Feb 09 20:23:52 Two version -- HSPA+ and EVDO Rev A world phone -- 8GB or 16GB. RAM is the same as Pre 2. Feb 09 20:23:53 torchie: think the "event" is over Feb 09 20:23:55 From Engadget Feb 09 20:23:57 argh why did they bother with the veer Feb 09 20:24:13 ...no headphone jack? Feb 09 20:24:17 Think they are saying it is a World Phone in either 8 or 16 GB's Feb 09 20:24:41 yes headphone jack Feb 09 20:24:46 I think the Veer is aimed at enterprise markets Feb 09 20:24:59 lol Feb 09 20:25:02 which enterprise markets Feb 09 20:25:18 10.6mm headphone jack??? Feb 09 20:25:19 that means businesses Feb 09 20:25:37 lol lama Feb 09 20:25:37 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/veer/index.html#techspecs Feb 09 20:25:39 "Android is perfect. webOS is dead" Go tell him what's up. http://scobleizer.com/2011/02/09/preview-of-hp-launch-today-smartphone-so-small-it-is-cool/#comment-143538105 Feb 09 20:25:42 Worlds first 10.6mm headphone jack.... Just kidding Feb 09 20:25:43 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/hp-pre-3-first-hands-on/ Feb 09 20:25:47 ^ vid Feb 09 20:26:01 video yet? Feb 09 20:26:02 nice =) Feb 09 20:26:09 who's going to HP developer event tonight? Feb 09 20:26:14 webOS ain't dead Feb 09 20:26:21 they've got something resembling an ecosystem Feb 09 20:26:33 but I don't think I can attend this party Feb 09 20:26:36 businesses buy phones for their employees, but don't want to be too ostentatious Feb 09 20:26:41 same goes for parents Feb 09 20:26:55 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/hp-touchpad-first-hands-on/ Feb 09 20:26:58 Thouchpad handson Feb 09 20:27:09 the phone aimed at enterprise markets Feb 09 20:27:13 they usually call those blackberries Feb 09 20:27:26 hp better apply their enterprise chops hard Feb 09 20:27:31 webOS is really dominating Endgadget today Feb 09 20:27:35 way to go HP Feb 09 20:27:59 topolsky loves webOS Feb 09 20:28:03 no cdma veer?! :( Feb 09 20:28:09 HP is the largest enterprise technology company in the world Feb 09 20:28:16 in the WORLD Feb 09 20:28:29 there's a lot of space wasted on the pre 3 keyboard Feb 09 20:29:03 to be honest, I'm supprised we didn't hear more about the Cisco vpn features of 2.0 Feb 09 20:29:05 pre3, larger screen, more space Feb 09 20:29:11 STILL 3x3?!?! Feb 09 20:29:14 :( Feb 09 20:30:01 man the pre3 looks hot Feb 09 20:30:05 nyceane: you going? Feb 09 20:30:07 yeah Feb 09 20:30:10 * oil wants Feb 09 20:30:10 dohtem, yah Feb 09 20:30:16 * oil wants on sprint Feb 09 20:30:17 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/hp-pre-3-first-hands-on/ Feb 09 20:30:17 * dohtem is too Feb 09 20:30:19 same Feb 09 20:30:22 which is good Feb 09 20:30:23 * torchie wants on sprint this month Feb 09 20:30:23 :( Feb 09 20:30:26 because summer is when my 2 years is up Feb 09 20:30:30 lol Feb 09 20:30:33 my years are up in march Feb 09 20:30:37 which might just mean Feb 09 20:30:40 any video of the TouchPad up yet? Feb 09 20:30:41 some ol bullshit Feb 09 20:30:59 is it me or does the pre3 look less smooth than the pre 2 Feb 09 20:31:22 you can def tell a size diff with the pre3 Feb 09 20:31:26 which I like Feb 09 20:31:30 yup Feb 09 20:31:35 who else is going? Feb 09 20:32:01 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/palm-pre-2-vs-hp-pre-3-whats-changed/ Feb 09 20:32:25 nyceane: i don't think anyone else is in the cali area Feb 09 20:32:28 i'd go if i could Feb 09 20:32:48 likewise... Feb 09 20:32:56 the pre3 site has images of a pre2 for the multitasking and just type demos Feb 09 20:33:01 inconsistency Feb 09 20:33:08 i still don't get why the webos2 sdk is not out yet ALTHOUGH the thing is already in the market Feb 09 20:33:17 Pre3 has a tiny back speaker Feb 09 20:33:27 oh boy Feb 09 20:33:52 because it probably got rushed to market Feb 09 20:34:07 but it's incredibly easy to get into the 2.0 SDK program Feb 09 20:34:10 but its not on market yet xD Feb 09 20:34:13 because they're probably working on the documentation part of the new os Feb 09 20:34:26 isn't it on market in frogland? Feb 09 20:34:27 or at least i hope they are Feb 09 20:34:37 * oil moves to frogland Feb 09 20:34:50 frogland is just south of me Feb 09 20:34:55 * funkatron dances around with his Pre2 Feb 09 20:35:21 * HattCzech_work wants to now skip the pre2 as a dev device and move straight to the touchpad Feb 09 20:35:28 yeah Feb 09 20:35:37 yeah Feb 09 20:35:39 I can dig that Feb 09 20:35:48 I should probably keep my mouth mostly shit Feb 09 20:35:49 really I'm not that interested in developing for phones Feb 09 20:35:50 shut Feb 09 20:35:50 heh Feb 09 20:35:52 I'm hot for tablets Feb 09 20:35:53 and then get my pre3 for tinkering and phone Feb 09 20:36:03 well, you thought the wait till feb9th was bad, now you gotta wait for it to actually come out Feb 09 20:36:12 oil: how true Feb 09 20:36:14 and sad :( Feb 09 20:36:16 question all .. when webos 2.0 is ready for palm pres and palm pre pluss how would we know .. would it be announced or will there just but an OTA update ? Feb 09 20:36:16 ugh Feb 09 20:36:21 mobile world congress 09 Feb 09 20:36:25 I can't stand this wait Feb 09 20:36:40 torchie: freeze yourself in the bathtub Feb 09 20:36:44 lol Feb 09 20:36:45 we'll wake you when its time Feb 09 20:37:02 oil that for me ? Feb 09 20:37:04 lol Feb 09 20:37:10 phone's important since it's kind of like, grafted to me Feb 09 20:37:29 no, i was messing with torchie Feb 09 20:37:30 tablets important since I want to dev for tablets Feb 09 20:37:36 Josef_B: just follow @webosinternals on Twitter and you'll find out when it happens Feb 09 20:37:43 k Feb 09 20:37:55 yea rwhitby im following them .. i can't now cause im calibratring my battery Feb 09 20:37:56 0_o Feb 09 20:38:03 is it summer yet? Feb 09 20:38:06 yes Feb 09 20:38:16 \o/ Feb 09 20:39:09 once again rwhitby has us beat, it IS summer 2011 down there... ;) Feb 09 20:39:58 he is always in the future Feb 09 20:40:03 its already thursday Feb 09 20:40:10 * halfhalo gets the time machine Feb 09 20:40:39 time machine, you mean a qantas flight? Feb 09 20:40:42 it is also already tommorow for rwhitby Feb 09 20:42:03 wonder what hp's release schedule for these is gonna be like Feb 09 20:42:44 SPRINT, SPRINT, SPRINT!!!! now, dammit! Feb 09 20:42:50 ya :( Feb 09 20:42:56 very little once a year like apples, or constant barrage like nokia Feb 09 20:43:04 * oil gets behind haeffb with his pitchfork ready to riot Feb 09 20:43:08 SPRINT Feb 09 20:43:09 NOW Feb 09 20:43:13 would be a fantastic schedule Feb 09 20:43:23 torchies & pitchforks! Feb 09 20:43:27 lol Feb 09 20:43:35 no wimax version of pre3, so no sprint. Feb 09 20:43:36 veer screen size is almost same as pixi Feb 09 20:43:40 as it stands now though Feb 09 20:43:46 I think I may go epic 4g Feb 09 20:43:50 haeffb veer is a slider-pixi Feb 09 20:43:52 dont forge the tar&feathers Feb 09 20:43:52 evdo rev a? Feb 09 20:43:55 rick-work: no LTE version either though Feb 09 20:43:59 so by your logic, no VZW Feb 09 20:44:17 unless nokia's announcement turns into some sort of magical february sprint meego release Feb 09 20:44:38 meego, how about lamego AMIRITE!? Feb 09 20:44:39 sprint symbian3 would be nice Feb 09 20:44:44 torchie: didn't nokia just cancel their meego phone? Feb 09 20:44:54 it seems like they are Feb 09 20:44:57 symbian3 what Feb 09 20:45:06 nice one maik Feb 09 20:45:07 also meego was sort of my last-defense-against-android-and-iOS Feb 09 20:45:17 ya! /me high fives some random jock Feb 09 20:45:19 even though it's another one of those fruitless "no-phone" projects so far it seems Feb 09 20:46:19 seriously what is HP doing between now and june Feb 09 20:46:37 torchie: yeah, well, we can still port meego to palm devices if and when it materializes in a useful form Feb 09 20:46:38 naptime Feb 09 20:46:39 negotiating with Sprint, I hope. Feb 09 20:46:53 negotiating to get something on SPRINT NOW Feb 09 20:46:55 i hope Feb 09 20:46:57 and by negotiating, I mean in the GoodFellas sense of negotiating. Feb 09 20:47:01 maybe they'll do it right Feb 09 20:47:07 make em an offer they can't refuse Feb 09 20:47:13 "Here's what you're gonna do, Sprint..." Feb 09 20:47:19 they pretty much BITCH I BOUGHT THE AIRLINE'd this whole thing until they straight up said they don't have a reasonable release date Feb 09 20:47:25 and get the new SDK into devs hands BEFORE the device hits shelves with no apps Feb 09 20:47:36 ok that's a pretty decent idea actually Feb 09 20:47:45 what are developers gonna test on though Feb 09 20:47:46 haha Feb 09 20:47:49 whats all this talk about webos 2.0 not coming to old devices anymore? Feb 09 20:47:50 emu Feb 09 20:47:51 emulators? Feb 09 20:47:54 get prototypes into dev's hands for testing. Feb 09 20:48:00 yeah Feb 09 20:48:00 it still mentions it at http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre-family.html Feb 09 20:48:04 does the emulator do well enough to replace actual hardware Feb 09 20:48:04 prototypes that work on sprint Feb 09 20:48:05 haha Feb 09 20:48:08 though that might be unlinked page now Feb 09 20:49:05 wonder how bad the epic 4g's battery life is Feb 09 20:49:57 bad Feb 09 20:50:00 epic 4g Feb 09 20:50:03 worst battery life ever Feb 09 20:50:06 but compared to what Feb 09 20:50:13 the evo 4g Feb 09 20:50:19 oh hell, they didn't even mention that did they Feb 09 20:50:23 which used to have the worst ever until the epic 4g Feb 09 20:50:29 yaeh they didn't even mention battery life Feb 09 20:50:37 great :/ Feb 09 20:50:42 I was hoping they'd announce that the phone just lasts three days of heavy usage Feb 09 20:50:48 you know, BIBTA it Feb 09 20:50:58 yeah it only weighs 5lbs Feb 09 20:51:22 hey if it keeps that form factor and weighs 5 pounds and lasts an entire crazy weekend Feb 09 20:51:23 I'm game Feb 09 20:51:45 I thought the galaxy S phones were supposed to have good battery life or something Feb 09 20:52:14 what if they felt sorry for all pre owers (current) and where like .. if you have a device that starts with palm pre palm pix .. we will let you trade it in for a hp pre :D Feb 09 20:52:39 we want our name branded on our customers! Feb 09 20:52:42 why does this new Pre only show 5061 apps in catalog? Feb 09 20:52:51 profile came from pixi... Feb 09 20:53:02 no angry birds, etc. Feb 09 20:53:29 maybe devs will scramble to get their apps in catalog before pre3 release Feb 09 20:53:37 and that'll end with apps in catalog for pre- Feb 09 20:54:45 rwhitby: are there issues with changing a profile from pixi to pre? Feb 09 20:55:27 ah. need to update webos version. Feb 09 20:55:54 shipped with 1.4.1.1 Feb 09 20:55:58 heh Feb 09 20:55:59 IS IT FEB 9TH YET?!? Feb 09 20:56:05 no Feb 09 20:56:06 ;) Feb 09 20:56:08 not for another 365 days Feb 09 20:56:09 nope, it's Feb 10 here Feb 09 20:56:17 gah, i missed it! Feb 09 20:56:41 so, is there a video online somewhere yet? Feb 09 20:57:28 there's a reference to a video here: http://h30261.www3.hp.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=71087&p=irol-EventDetails&EventId=3734054 Feb 09 20:57:35 not sure if that's where it's going to be posted or if it's just info Feb 09 20:58:21 It will be on Palm youtube later today Feb 09 20:58:34 "*Replay available after 2pm, February 9th, 2011" Feb 09 20:59:47 OMG it's like it's christmas on engadget, only better!! Feb 09 21:00:01 while the pre3 and veer both seem to still be locked at 3 apps across in the launcher Feb 09 21:00:07 at least the tablet has more then 3 across Feb 09 21:00:24 this is why we have patches Feb 09 21:03:56 can't patch that now Feb 09 21:04:10 * oil crys in corner Feb 09 21:05:23 until we replace the new launcher with the old one ;) Feb 09 21:05:53 let me know when you get that done :) Feb 09 21:06:25 I'll need to get my pre2 back first...haha Feb 09 21:06:38 where did you send it> Feb 09 21:06:47 rwhitby launcher in 2.x is unpatchable? Feb 09 21:06:50 aaaawwwwww Feb 09 21:07:09 icon layout is in C++ code Feb 09 21:07:20 you can tell from the symbols in the executable Feb 09 21:07:23 should have been in meta-data somewhere Feb 09 21:07:26 darn Feb 09 21:07:34 lent it to my gf for a few days while her ATT contract runs out Feb 09 21:07:35 is the video up yet? Feb 09 21:07:48 since her phone was failing Feb 09 21:07:49 video of this morning will not be up any time soon. Feb 09 21:07:56 and she was going to drop AT&T Feb 09 21:08:04 ...sigh Feb 09 21:08:09 bits and pieces will be released for example at the event in spain, so they're not webcasting this Feb 09 21:08:19 rick-work: "in the coming months" Feb 09 21:08:33 DirtyPanda: HP said 2pm Feb 09 21:09:13 thanks i really wanna see Feb 09 21:09:14 rick-work, I thought that was the evening event in that case Feb 09 21:10:15 ahhh it's TONIGHTS event that won't be posted. Feb 09 21:10:37 they're not even going to allow cameras Feb 09 21:10:59 they openly admitted they wont be able to stop text blogging though Feb 09 21:11:20 there's cameras and there's cameras. Feb 09 21:11:40 okay. The Pre3 sounds just about perfect to me. If on Sprint & now. Feb 09 21:11:42 there's no way they can screen all cameras.... Feb 09 21:12:07 is sprint like, good? Feb 09 21:12:15 man Feb 09 21:12:15 that's very true, I think they just mean that the policy will be "no photos" Feb 09 21:12:18 yeah Feb 09 21:12:20 pre 3 Feb 09 21:12:21 sprint Feb 09 21:12:22 when i get some money im gonna get the touchtone charger Feb 09 21:12:22 now Feb 09 21:12:28 funkatron: ive never had a problem with sprint Feb 09 21:12:32 i already have a touchtone back for my pre .. (came with it) Feb 09 21:12:34 sprint is like, cheap & the only major carrier available to me Feb 09 21:12:34 i want them on sprint please Feb 09 21:12:42 funkatron, I'm tens of miles away from the nearest sprint tower.. Feb 09 21:12:47 right Feb 09 21:12:55 sprint's reception is great Feb 09 21:13:00 problem is that sprint is Feb 09 21:13:03 android, android, and android Feb 09 21:13:14 which is great if you're starting to hate android less Feb 09 21:13:26 * maik is not Feb 09 21:13:30 but not great if you want a high end slate that isn't a year old Feb 09 21:13:38 Loudergood I can see TWO sprint towers out of my office window Feb 09 21:13:55 sprint's like WE HAVE THE GALAXY S! except with a slide out keyboard so you can break it faster Feb 09 21:14:07 right, I'm just saying if you like to roam a lot ;) Feb 09 21:14:09 spring alwys has the best phones whenever i go to there site .. like right now .. wtf is a keyochera echo Feb 09 21:14:17 kyocera echo is bullshit Feb 09 21:14:21 lol Feb 09 21:14:34 the only way you're getting away with that form factor is if you design the entire operating system yourself Feb 09 21:14:35 and even then Feb 09 21:14:38 it's the wrong form factor Feb 09 21:14:45 THE wrong form factor. Feb 09 21:14:46 haha i saw that yesterday on there site... pretty lame Feb 09 21:15:06 combine that ridiculous hinge with kyocera's build quality, and yo have something not worth buying Feb 09 21:17:09 haha Feb 09 21:17:17 did you see that youtube comment about the keyocera echo Feb 09 21:17:25 Now you can video-call your girlfriend and watch porn at the same time! Feb 09 21:17:28 lol Feb 09 21:17:54 I wonder if the OS is aware of the fact that there's more than one screen at all Feb 09 21:18:01 I know android on the nook isn't Feb 09 21:18:04 no way in heck it isn't Feb 09 21:18:07 no way in heck it is* Feb 09 21:18:51 haha thats awesome. should have been listed as a key feature Feb 09 21:21:41 1.4.5 "install now" Feb 09 21:22:55 damn, seems like a long time since I've done this. Feb 09 21:25:05 BOOM Feb 09 21:26:02 action time? Feb 09 21:29:05 allot of people in here today Feb 09 21:29:24 O' Feb 09 21:29:31 er Feb 09 21:31:33 wierd .. just checking my p's and q's im trying to register my device on palm.com / hp.com just so im regisred but it won't take my registeration / serial anything .. is it becuase i purchased it from ATT ? Feb 09 21:33:01 I have a Pre- & Pixi- that I can test Linphone on! Feb 09 21:33:33 whoops, wrong channel Feb 09 21:34:02 i know whats wrong Feb 09 21:34:03 lol Feb 09 21:34:07 i already setup a palm profile Feb 09 21:34:25 dang. touchpad looks hot Feb 09 21:34:35 doesn't seem as smooth as expected Feb 09 21:34:38 reading liveblog Feb 09 21:34:43 * Tibfib hasn't gotten to anything else yet Feb 09 21:35:19 dang I want the touchpad.. dang dang dang Feb 09 21:36:34 DANG. Feb 09 21:36:39 * Tibfib will try to stop now Feb 09 21:36:59 Tibfib: :D Feb 09 21:37:18 Tibfib liveblog ? Feb 09 21:37:21 i want one of each of the devices we saw Feb 09 21:37:22 precentral.net Feb 09 21:37:25 oh Feb 09 21:37:39 * Tibfib really wants pre3 too! Feb 09 21:37:45 but touchpad more Feb 09 21:37:54 (so far.. haven't gottent to pre3 in liveblog yet..) Feb 09 21:38:21 what's the hashtag to join webosinternal room? Feb 09 21:38:32 #webos-internals Feb 09 21:38:47 ahh!! the will Feb 09 21:40:04 so up Feb 09 21:40:10 pre 3 + touchpad === WIN Feb 09 21:40:25 it would be a win if i could buy them Feb 09 21:40:32 bah! Feb 09 21:40:39 in 6 months, they might not be winners anymore Feb 09 21:40:42 that's all i'm saying Feb 09 21:40:48 pre3 looks badass and i want one Feb 09 21:40:50 but i can't have one Feb 09 21:40:55 * Tibfib is still getting it in 6 months Feb 09 21:42:52 and pumped on beats audio... big music listener here Feb 09 21:44:04 what exactly IS beats audio Feb 09 21:44:50 audiophile bullshit Feb 09 21:44:54 just means it has good quality Feb 09 21:45:03 it's like putting green lines on your cd or some shit Feb 09 21:46:12 24 bit music Feb 09 21:47:03 so Beats Audio™ is just 24bit audio? Feb 09 21:47:07 yeah... it's only worth it to have quality ram and processors... Feb 09 21:47:08 is a streaming service Feb 09 21:47:16 anything else, it's okay if you have crap Feb 09 21:47:34 as an iPad user: I cannot wait for "summer" Feb 09 21:48:59 I don't have an iPad and I can't wait for "summer" either...so, Sept. 20, then? Feb 09 21:49:11 seriously i just want to use the damn devices Feb 09 21:49:34 i'm up for a new device, end of contract Feb 09 21:50:00 and i also want to be able to release my freaking app Feb 09 21:50:05 my contract ends June 16 or so Feb 09 21:50:29 and there's no guarantee that Sprint suddenly grew the ability to get a clue...so no promise of the Pre 3 there yet Feb 09 21:52:38 Sprint needs to declare the Pre 3 somewhat quickly Feb 09 21:52:46 just so that no one gets cold feet Feb 09 21:52:51 just sayin' Feb 09 21:53:48 pre 3 Feb 09 21:53:49 sprint Feb 09 21:53:50 now Feb 09 21:53:53 yeah, well wake me up when that happens so I can breathe again Feb 09 21:54:05 #disconnect Feb 09 21:54:15 is beats audio actually like Feb 09 21:54:16 good Feb 09 21:54:20 they'll dick around and play the coy "we don't comment on future devices" game Feb 09 21:54:20 stupid webchat :-P Feb 09 21:54:21 because the epic 4g has a wolfson DAC Feb 09 21:56:06 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/hp-veer-first-hands-on/ They use google maps here.. is it updated? Feb 09 21:57:38 Tibfib: will koto work on the veer? :) Feb 09 21:57:47 teh screen size Feb 09 21:57:50 lol Feb 09 21:58:10 it will Feb 09 22:00:12 hahaha Feb 09 22:00:33 enyo Feb 09 22:00:35 enyo Feb 09 22:00:37 enyo Feb 09 22:00:51 NOOO gesture area on touchpad! Feb 09 22:01:41 really? I missed that one Feb 09 22:01:45 that's weird Feb 09 22:01:55 Google maps needs an overhaul. Looks like the same version Feb 09 22:02:08 lame Feb 09 22:02:12 Tibfib: it has the nofication led thing at the bottom Feb 09 22:02:15 but no gesture? Feb 09 22:02:19 apparently not Feb 09 22:02:31 at least the guy demoing it thinks so http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/hp-touchpad-first-hands-on/ Feb 09 22:02:36 how do you go back? Feb 09 22:02:41 panels remove that need? Feb 09 22:04:22 i was wondering about the whole gesture thing on the touchpad Feb 09 22:04:32 like would they have one on all sides? Feb 09 22:07:50 the heck no update what? Feb 09 22:08:24 how stupid another decision is that again? Feb 09 22:09:00 :( Feb 09 22:09:10 cookie Feb 09 22:13:37 this is just mad... i mean come on.. first it was end of 10 .. then a couple of months.. just to hear that they are not doing it? Feb 09 22:14:41 HattCzech_work: but the engadget live blog talks about the gesture area Feb 09 22:14:46 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/live-from-hp-palms-think-beyond-webos-event/?sort=oldest&refresh=0 Feb 09 22:14:49 10:53 Feb 09 22:15:19 its there Feb 09 22:15:45 yeah.. do you use it to back swipe? Feb 09 22:16:01 joetweeply: I agree, it's more than a little stupid Feb 09 22:16:28 yeah Feb 09 22:16:34 at least now I know what to do with ANY news I ever hear from Palm/HP....add some insane amount of time to it, like 1+ years Feb 09 22:16:36 they promised it.... now they broke it.... Feb 09 22:16:38 gesture area has all of the defaults i would assume Feb 09 22:16:45 forward, back, and switch between apps Feb 09 22:16:58 they will never be able to reach out to apple with this attitude Feb 09 22:17:06 lying dunkheads Feb 09 22:20:05 what is any promise of hp ever worth now Feb 09 22:20:35 http://www.precentral.net/no-major-webos-ota-updates-pre-pre-plus-pixi-pixi-plus Feb 09 22:20:37 bogus Feb 09 22:21:24 weell that sucks Feb 09 22:21:51 so much hope for nothing Feb 09 22:22:38 soooo....epig 4g in my future...? Feb 09 22:22:41 epic Feb 09 22:23:11 epic = better hardware, inferior software Feb 09 22:23:18 * oil waits for pre3 Feb 09 22:23:36 another six months? Feb 09 22:23:40 * rdean waits to see if pre3 will be available on Sprint Feb 09 22:23:44 you do? after all these letdowns? Feb 09 22:24:18 still want webos Feb 09 22:24:25 and still want a new device Feb 09 22:24:30 * halfhalo can't stand android Feb 09 22:24:36 what letdown? what were *you* expecting? Feb 09 22:25:02 if i bought an ios device, it would feel like im selling my soul Feb 09 22:25:36 welp Feb 09 22:25:47 the ride was fun but todays anti announcement is the end for me Feb 09 22:25:51 yeah... all these let downs and i still want webOS Feb 09 22:25:54 goodbye Feb 09 22:25:58 beat me more PLEASE! Feb 09 22:26:01 hello all Feb 09 22:26:21 lol Feb 09 22:26:29 he'll be back Feb 09 22:26:59 why the gloom? Feb 09 22:27:21 people are pissy about the no 2.0 ota thing Feb 09 22:27:33 what kinda issues did tmo and palm have? Feb 09 22:27:39 no 2.x OTA, six months for a new device Feb 09 22:27:42 rdean: i was expecting what they promised Feb 09 22:27:49 " to see that T-Mobile and Palm had made up" Feb 09 22:28:17 Orithma: whatever the issue, Palm hasn't had a webOS device on Tmo Feb 09 22:28:37 yeah, i know... just curious as to what that run-in was Feb 09 22:28:47 ugh Feb 09 22:28:59 why am I so bummed out after today's announcements? Feb 09 22:29:05 lol Feb 09 22:29:16 because you can't have anything now Feb 09 22:29:28 because after all the fireworks fall to the ground, you're left with the realization that we were lied to again and we have to wait some more Feb 09 22:29:38 haha Feb 09 22:29:40 no Pre3 on Sprint...I may stop using cell phones. Feb 09 22:29:41 well said dave Feb 09 22:30:00 heh Feb 09 22:30:29 Maybe it's that I wish I could actually be working on apps for this shit rather than watching Time magazine get to push their stuff Feb 09 22:30:31 EvaDragus: very true Feb 09 22:30:33 still better than most androids. some are stuck on 1.6, others 2.3, etc Feb 09 22:30:41 funkatron: that too Feb 09 22:30:54 Big_biff: actually, not many are on 1.6 anymore Feb 09 22:30:56 and I don't give a shit about pushing stuff, exactly. I just want a bit of hardware to work on Feb 09 22:31:04 ...but i understand your point Feb 09 22:31:14 Big_biff: what's the difference? some webOS are stuck on 1.4.5, some are 2.1, some will be 3.0 Feb 09 22:31:31 lol Feb 09 22:31:35 I'm leery of doing much work atm because I don't really know when it will come out, and what it will do Feb 09 22:31:36 give me enyo and I'll be happy to shut up for a few months while I play with that, but Sprint needs to step up and state whether they will carry the Pre 3 or not Feb 09 22:31:39 exactly the thing funkatron... as a developer i just can't work properly on great apps Feb 09 22:31:57 emulators don't really cut it Feb 09 22:32:18 i'll laugh if all HP actually gets done is fragmenting the shit outta their brand like Google did to android Feb 09 22:32:26 erg Feb 09 22:32:28 AND it takes a year or two Feb 09 22:32:35 "...in coming months" Feb 09 22:32:44 i;ve been putting off finishing my app until today for the announcement Feb 09 22:32:54 but i dont really feel like finishing it yet Feb 09 22:33:00 all the spirit of the "no fragmentation, all devices will have one version" ... broken to bones Feb 09 22:33:16 yup Feb 09 22:33:54 the dev event is soon, isn't it? Feb 09 22:33:59 6pm EST? Feb 09 22:34:45 6:45PST Feb 09 22:34:46 I think so Feb 09 22:34:56 Big_biff: what's the difference? some webOS are stuck on 1.4.5, some are 2.1, some will be 3.0 Feb 09 22:34:59 3 hours from now right? Feb 09 22:35:53 the funny thing is that HP doesn't realized that for their devices to sell well… the apps need to rock… like the ones on the iphone do Feb 09 22:36:19 they need to have edu dev's making apps for WebOS….so college kids want them Feb 09 22:36:30 they need to game dev's making apps Feb 09 22:36:44 but they are seriously failing on getting dev's to come to their platform Feb 09 22:37:35 i can't make proper apps with the current sdk Feb 09 22:37:46 i was so hoping for webos 2.0... but screw that Feb 09 22:37:51 i think i'll switch to apple Feb 09 22:38:17 at least when you develop for Apple, you can be confident you'll make money since there are 100m devices out there Feb 09 22:38:25 hahahha Feb 09 22:38:26 the amount of webos devices out there are shrinking Feb 09 22:38:34 not growing Feb 09 22:38:48 http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2010/06/full-analysis-of-iphone-economics-its-bad-news-and-then-it-gets-worse.html Feb 09 22:39:09 "The development of the typical app cost $35,000 and the median paid app earns $682 dollars per year after Apple took its cut. " Feb 09 22:39:25 not that you should believe anything you read, but… Feb 09 22:39:25 my point deliciousmorsel Feb 09 22:39:56 thats if you pay someone else to develop it Feb 09 22:40:02 well i'll definitely make more on iphone than i made with my apps on webos... 100 dollars really? Feb 09 22:40:11 Adora: not happy today. Feb 09 22:40:19 no one is happy Feb 09 22:40:24 I suppose if your time is worth nothing to you… 8) Feb 09 22:40:40 I'm happy....I could be happier, though. Feb 09 22:40:42 time is only worth opportunity Feb 09 22:40:58 I have no idea what that means Feb 09 22:41:09 * Orithma wonders if HP will give him palm.com Feb 09 22:41:18 ...since they won't need it and all Feb 09 22:41:22 so if i can make $100 an hour doing contract work Feb 09 22:41:26 there's not a lot to be happy about Feb 09 22:41:29 or i could make an app in 18 hours that makes me x Feb 09 22:41:44 opportunity costs Feb 09 22:41:52 only the dev event can save my mood now with an announcement that enyo early access is open Feb 09 22:42:01 exactly Feb 09 22:42:08 oh yeah EvaDragus Feb 09 22:42:19 but i don't expect good things... they lie all the time Feb 09 22:42:33 it will be like "yeah... enyo will be out in the next couple of months" Feb 09 22:42:35 however let me just say this Feb 09 22:42:36 an outside observer would be tempted to agree 100% on that Feb 09 22:42:44 i wrote an iphone app in 5 hours 2 years ago Feb 09 22:42:55 its grossed over $12k in ad revenue (its a free app) Feb 09 22:43:02 and it still continues to gross over $250 a month Feb 09 22:43:18 * contradude ducks behind a table Feb 09 22:43:30 i also wrote Feeds … took me like probably 60-80 hours Feb 09 22:43:30 see... that's what i'm talking about Feb 09 22:43:33 hasn't made $12k Feb 09 22:43:43 and the free version of feeds Feb 09 22:43:51 only makes about $2 a month Feb 09 22:43:52 from ads Feb 09 22:44:31 it all comes down to scale Feb 09 22:44:41 if they push the new devices on all carriers Feb 09 22:44:56 should be a massive boost extremely quickly to the number of users Feb 09 22:45:24 not if they aren't basically free devices Feb 09 22:45:27 it all started pretty bad already... no paid apps for long time Feb 09 22:45:30 just letdowns... Feb 09 22:45:33 just lies Feb 09 22:45:44 only people in this chan would buy a $200 Pre3 over an iPhone4 Feb 09 22:45:49 in all the statistics webos doesn't even get an own column Feb 09 22:45:52 assuming its $200 Feb 09 22:46:24 if they had an option to exchange your current phone with the new pre3, this would be the last option i'd take Feb 09 22:46:29 anything else ... no way Feb 09 22:46:45 webos is great, but without proper handling it will suck... Feb 09 22:47:03 it is great i agree Feb 09 22:47:13 apple doesn't buy developers devices Feb 09 22:47:15 but android does Feb 09 22:47:20 so does win7 Feb 09 22:47:22 joetweeply: they're basically handing you next gen internals Feb 09 22:47:25 at least well known ones Feb 09 22:47:29 it would bankrupt them Feb 09 22:47:54 that's the problem... it won't Feb 09 22:48:36 bankrupt HP? Feb 09 22:48:46 good luck with that Feb 09 22:49:14 they should make webos open source... Feb 09 22:49:21 no? Feb 09 22:51:46 hello from backstage Feb 09 22:51:55 hey mattsmcnulty Feb 09 22:51:56 hello backstager Feb 09 22:52:05 mattsmcnulty: so, who's getting sacked for leaking the no-OTA ? Feb 09 22:52:25 until I see a press release, I don't comment Feb 09 22:52:47 understandably, a catastrophe for PR today. Feb 09 22:52:58 LOL Feb 09 22:53:11 mattsmcnulty: BTW, your stuff looked awesome :) Feb 09 22:53:16 thanks Feb 09 22:53:35 yupyup Feb 09 22:53:51 more to come Feb 09 22:54:00 too bad we don't get to learn how to use it any time "soon" Feb 09 22:54:02 3 hours to the dev event right? Feb 09 22:54:09 maybe after the first of next year Feb 09 22:54:17 * EvaDragus is bitter. "Can you tell?" Feb 09 22:54:18 nah, enyo will come this fall Feb 09 22:54:22 and by this I mean 2014 of course Feb 09 22:54:29 haha Feb 09 22:54:30 mattsmcnulty: yeah, looking forward to the liveblogging for tonight. feel free to send me your slides to proof read for you ;) Feb 09 22:54:59 this is one of those presos where the slides don't tell you too much Feb 09 22:55:11 that's not too funny or untrue given the current track record of HPalm Feb 09 22:55:16 so I was making jokes about how I wanted no brown m&ms in my dressing room to the production guys Feb 09 22:55:26 and they said their favorite was jim carrey back in the day Feb 09 22:55:45 said he would put stuff in his rider that he had a pet iguana he would travel with, who needed a gourmet iguana chef Feb 09 22:55:49 when he has no iguana Feb 09 22:55:59 and people would go running around hiring chefs for iguanas Feb 09 22:56:05 lol Feb 09 22:56:07 hey, fall is still "after the first of the year" Feb 09 22:56:14 :) Feb 09 22:56:18 mattsmcnulty, if I sign over my first born can I get a webOS 2 doctor for my pre+? Feb 09 22:56:26 * rwhitby wonders what this "fall" thing is ;) Feb 09 22:56:33 lol Feb 09 22:56:36 yeah, but that argument is pretty disingenuous AND makes it look like you are a con artist out to intentionally mislead people Feb 09 22:56:51 RagingMind: I'd just hold still and wait for some more info Feb 09 22:56:53 rwhitby: before the end of this year Feb 09 22:57:07 gotta run Feb 09 22:57:20 he probably felt bombarded Feb 09 22:57:27 probably Feb 09 22:57:34 he comes in here knowing that will happen. Feb 09 22:57:40 I think he likes to know he has fans. Feb 09 22:57:42 * RagingMind is holding still, but venting helps Feb 09 22:58:19 Why does hp/palm keep screwing us???! Feb 09 22:58:29 though I hope he didn't take my comment too negatively... oops Feb 09 22:58:31 guys Feb 09 22:58:41 lets give them until the dev thing tonight Feb 09 22:58:44 I want to get really mad Feb 09 22:58:47 agreed Feb 09 22:58:51 its ok Feb 09 22:58:56 maybe they'll let me return my Pre2? Feb 09 22:59:01 or exchange it for a pre3? Feb 09 22:59:01 because I've invested time energy and money into the platform Feb 09 22:59:12 i think we all have Feb 09 22:59:28 i have had my pre since launch day Feb 09 22:59:41 if they offer a trade-in program, i'll wait :) Feb 09 22:59:46 been promised flash for 2 years!! Feb 09 22:59:46 here Feb 09 22:59:47 lets all just chill till tongiht Feb 09 22:59:52 's to hoping ;) Feb 09 22:59:52 have a cold one Feb 09 22:59:53 Did you guys tune in to our live coverage? Feb 09 23:00:01 and wait Feb 09 23:00:03 yes Feb 09 23:00:17 contradude: I already have enough history that I don't really need to wait until tonight to be pissed Feb 09 23:00:25 roy-pre101: I did, and I'M FURIOUS Feb 09 23:00:46 it could be someone who is uninformed Feb 09 23:00:48 Im supprised my phone hasn't received an ota update causing it to burst in flames while laughing at me Feb 09 23:00:50 I certainly don't need to wait until tonight to make predictions that we won't be getting Enyo early access anytime "soon" either Feb 09 23:00:52 wait until the official release Feb 09 23:01:18 someone will bring this up during the dev session Feb 09 23:01:25 lets see what they say Feb 09 23:01:29 funkatron: About what? Feb 09 23:01:34 history can be our only indicator at this point...and history of HPalm delivering is really, really abysmal Feb 09 23:01:41 roy-pre101: I dunno, but I'M MAD Feb 09 23:01:58 That's cool. Feb 09 23:02:11 ya know, every time I get mad at Palm's dev support, I go and look at the stuff for the playbook Feb 09 23:02:17 eww. Feb 09 23:02:22 You know, if you're mad at this point, you may be making a serious mistake. Feb 09 23:02:41 webOS on PC's will be HUGE for developers. Feb 09 23:02:44 Consider this... HP laid out everything you need to know to tell if you should stay the course with webOS at this point. Feb 09 23:02:49 Yes Roy Feb 09 23:03:03 consider this. Remember the "tap to transfer" between the tablet and the phone... Feb 09 23:03:18 Remember that HP said that you had ONE profile for all your devices? Feb 09 23:03:31 now, consider that HP sells 2 laptops a second.... Feb 09 23:03:36 rick-work: I'm mostly mad at the timeframe, I'm impatient and been waiting "too long" already...my "soon" is obviously WAY different than their "soon" Feb 09 23:03:49 and also remember that this is all "coming" in the "summer" Feb 09 23:03:51 and that soon, every laptop will come with a webOS embedded in the OS on the laptop Feb 09 23:04:05 EvaDragus: Be glad it's a bit of delay. Do developers have Enyo yet? Feb 09 23:04:10 HattCzech_work: Summer doesn't end until Sept 20-22 Feb 09 23:04:15 and that eventually, the printers will also have webOS interfaces on them with tap to transfer. Feb 09 23:04:20 roy-pre101: and there's the other thing I"m mad about Feb 09 23:04:23 moreso than the waiting Feb 09 23:04:25 I hope that devs get paid for an extra copy of each app when it goes onto a new device :) Feb 09 23:04:26 hahaha, an even better point Feb 09 23:04:40 and remember that HP SHUT DOWN the media device / set-top-box group and transfered them whole-hog to webOS. Feb 09 23:04:50 man im pissed .. i haven\t used my pre all day .. im been using this dr battery trying to re-calibrate .. it stopped once and i had to redo the whole thing Feb 09 23:04:55 today is not a good day Feb 09 23:04:58 i don't have much faith in these timeframes anymore been lied to to much Feb 09 23:05:10 Josef_B: just buy a new battery for $4 on amazon Feb 09 23:05:13 now Josef_B has something to be mad about. Feb 09 23:05:18 RAGE! Feb 09 23:05:26 so, assume that in a year or two, there is this ecology of set top box, laptop, desktop, tablets, phones, all running webOS, all able to pass stuff back and forth, and all able to interact in real time. Feb 09 23:05:30 I love lamp Feb 09 23:05:31 rwhitby i just got this phone 3 days ago lol .. im just trying to find the best way to save battery Feb 09 23:05:37 oops Feb 09 23:05:44 rwhitby that was for you Feb 09 23:05:44 I love Chair Feb 09 23:05:45 there will be literally MILLIONS of webOS users. Feb 09 23:05:51 and the market will be ginormous Feb 09 23:05:56 Josef_B: what you're doing is not the way to achieve your goal. Feb 09 23:06:06 hmm Feb 09 23:06:11 what should i be doing rwhitby ? Feb 09 23:06:33 turn off facebook and the radios Feb 09 23:06:55 i use wifi now and i have my 3g to 2g .. i used a patch to get it to 2g Feb 09 23:07:03 make email check less often if you have it enabeld Feb 09 23:07:08 i have it on 15 mins Feb 09 23:08:08 my Pre Plus for AT&T isn't gonna get webos 2.0? Feb 09 23:08:20 unless you doctor it. Feb 09 23:08:23 not ota Feb 09 23:08:31 we need something to develop with... Feb 09 23:08:34 in the comming months bah! Feb 09 23:08:40 so is there an openly available doctor? Feb 09 23:08:49 deliciousmorsel patience. Feb 09 23:08:58 so i assume no Feb 09 23:09:38 whats up with egypt Feb 09 23:09:40 lol Feb 09 23:09:48 ive been patient for 2 years my patiencs has run dry... Feb 09 23:10:21 bleg im not even spelling propely :( Feb 09 23:10:54 has that keynote been posted anywhere? Feb 09 23:11:19 not yet Feb 09 23:11:52 so hp never said that we won't get webos2 Feb 09 23:11:57 just that we wont get webos2 OTA Feb 09 23:12:07 just want to make sure i get my facts straight Feb 09 23:12:08 exactly Feb 09 23:12:12 yeah it's OTA only. doctors will probably come out. Feb 09 23:12:13 k cool Feb 09 23:12:17 still more waiting!!! im anoyed Feb 09 23:12:20 and even that is not official yet Feb 09 23:13:22 So pre 2 and 3 announced in a few months timeframe Feb 09 23:13:35 Does pre 3 have on screen keyboard Feb 09 23:13:44 OMG ITZ NOT AVALABLE TODAY! MUST HAS NAO! Feb 09 23:13:54 :-P Feb 09 23:14:10 why can't the palm 3 have a six core processor Feb 09 23:14:11 ? Feb 09 23:14:26 lol I can't keep it up Feb 09 23:14:27 the specs arent bad the time frame is Feb 09 23:14:30 Does it have on screen keypad Feb 09 23:14:34 engadget comments are hillarious Feb 09 23:14:37 the hardware is fing Feb 09 23:14:38 fine Feb 09 23:14:57 marss: it's in the OS somewhere Feb 09 23:14:57 U don't even know what carrier or anything Feb 09 23:14:58 probably Feb 09 23:15:09 I see Feb 09 23:15:10 the wanting to have devices shipping in "weeks" but then making it months and saying that months are made of weeks....well, that's just lame Feb 09 23:15:13 well, something with CDMA Feb 09 23:15:15 and something with GSM Feb 09 23:15:44 contradude: Palm 3 is available on e-Bay now: http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Palm-III-3com-PDA-2-MB-RAM-16-MHz-Parts-Repair-/150557810189?pt=PDA_s_Pocket_PC_s&hash=item230df1de0d Feb 09 23:15:48 I hope it does. Now all it need is some apps and better gogle maps and I might get it if it comes to sprint Feb 09 23:16:00 hahahahahaahhaha Feb 09 23:16:01 WIN Feb 09 23:16:39 anone tried the evo? it's looking more appealing to me today Feb 09 23:16:49 evo has a worse battery life than the pre Feb 09 23:16:54 its hard to imagine … but its true Feb 09 23:16:57 rdean: lol Feb 09 23:17:08 rdean: I already have one of those in my drawer Feb 09 23:17:22 evo is glitzy but has bad battery life and a clunky interface Feb 09 23:17:42 yeah Feb 09 23:17:47 I would get the epic over the evo Feb 09 23:17:47 I think android is like a sports car that's been bodged together from 3 different manufacturers Feb 09 23:17:52 IMO the pre3 doesn't need standout mind-blowingly good hardware. It just needs to be competitive. The OS is the mind-blower Feb 09 23:17:54 and the parts left the original colors Feb 09 23:17:58 darn... Feb 09 23:18:01 and the epic 4g apparently has worse battery life than the evo Feb 09 23:18:02 :( Feb 09 23:18:16 I have one lasts me the day Feb 09 23:18:18 what about the kyocera thing? Feb 09 23:18:22 you know you want it Feb 09 23:18:23 That's completely false Feb 09 23:18:35 oh word? Feb 09 23:18:38 If I use the pre it dies within an hr Feb 09 23:18:46 I got that stat from the anandtech review Feb 09 23:18:46 i havent fond specs on the kyocera dual screen Feb 09 23:18:49 how about a Kin? Feb 09 23:18:54 kyocera has 1ghz second gen snapdragon Feb 09 23:18:55 I should say 1.5 hours Feb 09 23:19:05 marss: I'm running with a 1 ghz overclock, I get at least two hours of hard use out Feb 09 23:19:06 doesn't make it any less shitty Feb 09 23:19:22 I remember reading somewhere that the captivate lasted a really long time Feb 09 23:19:33 but then I also hear captivate doesn't last Feb 09 23:19:36 so I don' tknow what to expect anymore Feb 09 23:19:43 I'd like to expect the pre 3 to come to sprint immediately Feb 09 23:19:52 or a slate android newer than the evo Feb 09 23:19:53 they will Feb 09 23:19:59 they will what Feb 09 23:20:01 they'd have to truly be idiots to skip again Feb 09 23:20:07 video is up Feb 09 23:20:11 hp just tweeted Youtube location http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnjwG7Z8AM8 Feb 09 23:20:13 skip what Feb 09 23:20:13 especially without the iphone Feb 09 23:20:16 well Feb 09 23:20:22 all the release says is "summer" Feb 09 23:20:27 so they're probably screwing this up really hard again Feb 09 23:20:43 I like the pre 3. A portrait keyboard is best. Trouble is the lack of apps Feb 09 23:21:07 I was really hoping for a slate Feb 09 23:21:14 not neccisarily from a marketing standpoint palm has failed bad it's not wrong of sprint to stay away Feb 09 23:21:28 They should add that to the line up Feb 09 23:21:41 tune in for developer coverage tonight Feb 09 23:21:52 will there be coverage? Feb 09 23:22:01 HP hasn't failed yet though Feb 09 23:22:04 roy-pre101: nice job on the live blog Feb 09 23:22:14 I'm wondering how deep the enterprise features on these things will run Feb 09 23:22:26 Yea you can't blame sprint. Customer satisfaction wasn't all that great with thebfirst pre Feb 09 23:22:28 their close with todays anouncemts i was expecting products in the comming weeks Feb 09 23:22:37 marss: I can blame Sprint Feb 09 23:22:41 and a nice update for my pre Feb 09 23:23:01 scared of the durability of pre 3 Feb 09 23:23:04 roy-pre101: looking forward to your developer-view of the coverage tonight Feb 09 23:23:04 I blame HP/Palm/Sprint Feb 09 23:23:14 I don't used why they would bother supporting the old pre Feb 09 23:23:29 I wonder how many are still out there activated Feb 09 23:23:30 I refuse to get excited about tonight's presentation Feb 09 23:23:32 mine is activated Feb 09 23:23:44 I have two within 3 feet of me activated Feb 09 23:23:49 I have 8 Feb 09 23:23:50 so CRAP. no 2.0 for older devies? Feb 09 23:23:55 Tibfib: not OTA Feb 09 23:24:03 so much for "no fragmentation" Feb 09 23:24:04 sucks for my 2.0 only app Feb 09 23:24:07 I have two home inactivated Feb 09 23:24:08 an update would hold me over till the new devices but i have to wait for that update Feb 09 23:24:13 I wonder if it will be similar to the blackberry method Feb 09 23:24:17 3 devices. 1 activated Feb 09 23:24:22 That was disappointing, but I was glad to see another increment on the pre form-factor (along the lines of iPhone 2 to iPhone 3gs) Feb 09 23:24:32 yeah there's too many resolutions Feb 09 23:24:32 uhh... Feb 09 23:24:33 haeffb: Thanks. rwhitby: It should be good! Feb 09 23:24:38 iphone 3gs? Feb 09 23:24:43 wait what Feb 09 23:24:45 no Feb 09 23:24:46 no 2.0 for older devices? Feb 09 23:24:57 no, no over the air update Feb 09 23:25:12 and that's not confirmed yet Feb 09 23:25:16 could be FUD Feb 09 23:25:22 i hope so Feb 09 23:25:22 if I was apple today Feb 09 23:25:26 I would spread FUD Feb 09 23:25:30 as hard as possible Feb 09 23:25:34 why Feb 09 23:25:42 big press release Feb 09 23:25:47 everyones thinking about it Feb 09 23:25:52 and then a huge outcry Feb 09 23:26:02 all the current customers are screwed Feb 09 23:26:09 a million pissed off users Feb 09 23:26:13 bad press Feb 09 23:26:25 and all it cost was... absolutely nothing. Feb 09 23:26:36 does anyone stare at there pre and see how beatiful it is ? Feb 09 23:26:37 not saying it was Feb 09 23:26:38 my gut feeling is that the no-OTA leak is valid Feb 09 23:26:45 Dieter reported it. He would not report FUD today. Feb 09 23:26:45 it may be Feb 09 23:26:46 meh Feb 09 23:26:47 i probably do cause im a n00b to web0s Feb 09 23:26:53 i dont think they should support the old devices Feb 09 23:26:53 and it's sad because it's HP/Palm's fault that I can easily believe that Feb 09 23:26:59 i dont care just realized Feb 09 23:27:01 on with the new Feb 09 23:27:07 cause they take soo long to do anything at HP Feb 09 23:27:10 its a godsend Feb 09 23:27:14 that they stop on something Feb 09 23:27:20 rwhitby: I understand that. is this a 100% sure thing? Feb 09 23:27:24 Could the reason for the no OTA update be because Sprint isn't on board? Wouldn't the update actually have to come from them? Feb 09 23:27:33 deliciousmorsel: then they should have made that the message from the beginning, not the exact opposite Feb 09 23:27:36 contradude: no, there is no official word, as stated in the article Feb 09 23:27:39 no 2.0 ota seriously screwed up 2.0 only mojo apps :( Feb 09 23:27:57 Tibfib: :( Feb 09 23:27:58 OTA updates come from Palm, not Sprint, but Sprint may need to give approval for Sprint devices. Feb 09 23:28:02 rwhitby: Thank you. I'll keep my cautious stance until at least the dev event. Feb 09 23:28:32 touchpad doesn't seem particularly smooth Feb 09 23:28:34 rwhitby: Right. That's pretty much what I meant. It's the Verizon webOS 1.4 situation (or whatever version # that was) Feb 09 23:28:36 Well screww it.. I'm submitting koto to the catalo now Feb 09 23:28:40 if it was a sprint issue, then palm would probably have pushed the update to verizon and AT&T instead Feb 09 23:28:43 torchie: what vid are you basing that off? Feb 09 23:28:44 any clues on if the camera in the pre3 will be able to focus on bar codes? Feb 09 23:28:50 in card view Feb 09 23:28:55 tibfib: youtube Feb 09 23:28:55 cxreg: it's autofocus Feb 09 23:28:57 link Feb 09 23:28:58 so I would say yes Feb 09 23:29:02 LINK Feb 09 23:29:08 holy crap i'm excited Feb 09 23:29:10 contradude: True Feb 09 23:29:15 maik: ++++++ Feb 09 23:29:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnjwG7Z8AM8#t=32m15s Feb 09 23:29:27 wha time is the dev event yall are talking about Feb 09 23:29:28 a trusted source says he heard sprint will get Pre3 "soonish" Feb 09 23:29:34 "soonish" like "summer?" Feb 09 23:29:42 * EvaDragus kills maik dead. Feb 09 23:29:42 it's already summer here Feb 09 23:29:47 contradude: right, good call Feb 09 23:29:52 we were suppose to have flash with version 1.45 Feb 09 23:29:55 torchie: I didn't know it was on youtube yett... gotta watch it all :) Feb 09 23:29:58 EvaDragus: :) Feb 09 23:29:59 * haeffb revives maik Feb 09 23:30:02 are they gonna blow our minds by saying it's coming in summer and releasing it in february Feb 09 23:30:12 torchie: that's what i would take from that, but no idea Feb 09 23:30:17 that would be freaking awesome if they did that Feb 09 23:30:19 because that's what I expect after "THINK YOU SAW THE LATEST ON ENGADGET? WE BOUGHT THE AIRLINE" Feb 09 23:30:20 torchie: I don't think the OS is quite ready.. it's getting there Feb 09 23:30:23 NOT Feb 09 23:30:24 GOING Feb 09 23:30:25 TO Feb 09 23:30:26 HAPPEN Feb 09 23:30:29 heh Feb 09 23:30:32 WITHOUT Feb 09 23:30:34 FREE Feb 09 23:30:35 CAKE Feb 09 23:30:40 :-P Feb 09 23:30:43 heh Feb 09 23:30:57 Quick, everyone mail HP a cake Feb 09 23:31:00 I'll bake red velvet Feb 09 23:31:08 join #html5 Feb 09 23:31:12 oops Feb 09 23:31:12 armadillo cake Feb 09 23:31:16 maik: how trusted and how sourcey? Feb 09 23:31:16 lol Feb 09 23:31:25 to the contrary HP should be sending me cake... Feb 09 23:31:33 maybe I'll just hit up the epic 4g and cry until pre 4 Feb 09 23:31:34 lol Feb 09 23:31:36 f cake, pie man.. pie Feb 09 23:31:39 LIES!!! Feb 09 23:31:40 very trusted, but it's very 3rd party Feb 09 23:31:40 epic 4g Feb 09 23:31:54 why a hardware keyboard why Feb 09 23:31:56 isn't that still waiting on the newest update? Feb 09 23:32:05 torchie: so you can actually type stuff Feb 09 23:32:06 because touchscreen keyboards am teh sux Feb 09 23:32:13 my friend was complaining about that like 4 weeks ago Feb 09 23:32:35 I can actually type on a touchscreen KEYBOARD Feb 09 23:32:38 keyboard* Feb 09 23:33:15 I have the epic. Touchscreen is fine. Landscape keyboards make little sense Feb 09 23:33:27 landscape is wide as hell Feb 09 23:33:30 I HATE landscape keyboards Feb 09 23:33:34 totally annoying Feb 09 23:33:35 very uncomfortable Feb 09 23:33:42 I HATE touchscreen keyboards Feb 09 23:33:43 portrait hardware sliders are fail Feb 09 23:34:02 as uncomfortable as not receiving an webos update today? Feb 09 23:34:06 I barely use it but comes in handy sometimes. I prefer a device with a keyboard Feb 09 23:34:18 a keyboard would be nice if I was like Feb 09 23:34:18 portrait hardware keyboards are the best Feb 09 23:34:20 emulating DOS games Feb 09 23:34:22 Best one sprint had at the time Feb 09 23:34:25 heh Feb 09 23:34:38 I just wish sprint's galaxy s had the same specs but without the keyboard Feb 09 23:34:45 my only experience with a touchscreen keyboard on a phone was the HTC Touch with WinMo Feb 09 23:34:49 lol, ruby said "My buddy Josh said ..." Feb 09 23:34:49 captivate's still my favorite, even with the sideloading issue Feb 09 23:34:50 torchie: break it off Feb 09 23:34:54 :( Feb 09 23:34:54 refering to josh topolsky Feb 09 23:34:56 * torchie dies Feb 09 23:34:57 and holy shit, that made me want to kill someone every single time it popped up Feb 09 23:35:10 wait Feb 09 23:35:15 the htc touch from like Feb 09 23:35:17 20 years ago? Feb 09 23:35:23 maik: same, except Touch diamond Feb 09 23:35:27 lol inorite Feb 09 23:35:29 ah diamond Feb 09 23:35:35 don't those have like, tiny resistive screens Feb 09 23:35:38 and, well... Feb 09 23:35:39 ...winmo Feb 09 23:35:43 yes and yes Feb 09 23:35:50 WM6 *shudder* Feb 09 23:36:12 and OMG SO MUCH TOTALLY AWESOMER THAN WM6 ITS WM6.5! ITS COMPLETELY REBUILT! Feb 09 23:36:20 looks exactly the same and still sucks Feb 09 23:36:25 windows phone 7 is pretty hot at least Feb 09 23:36:32 except for the not let you do anything-ness part Feb 09 23:36:34 it looks nice, i've never used it though Feb 09 23:36:39 heh Feb 09 23:36:44 I got to try out an HD7 and my friend's LG quantum Feb 09 23:36:48 they're Feb 09 23:36:50 "microsoft is the rich kid who lets everyone hang out at his house as long they do what they're told" Feb 09 23:36:50 preposterously smooth Feb 09 23:36:54 Style over substance... clearly Microsoft is taking cues from Apple. Feb 09 23:37:02 "apple is like the kid who's too good really hang out with anyone else, but everyone wants to hang out with him... then he acts like he's the underdog when someone challenges him" Feb 09 23:37:08 wheres the substance? Feb 09 23:37:10 "Google is the the 20 something who wins the lottery and sets out to do what he always said he would and "not become like other rich guys" but then ends up doing that anyways" Feb 09 23:37:45 lol yeah Feb 09 23:39:12 anyone notice that on sprints site it says adobe flash was made avaliable in webos version 1.4.0? Feb 09 23:39:13 maik: Evidence is Larry Page's latest purchase, a 193 foot super-yacht. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/google_page_has_yacht_to_smile_about_yb6Fse2nDJZeDtHcTVVIPJ Feb 09 23:39:26 heh, <3 Google Feb 09 23:40:09 angry: Yeah, we were supposed to have Flash in february. That's february 2010 btw. Feb 09 23:40:26 And... as an owner of a Pre Plus and Pre2 in .au, I'm somewhat underwhelmed by the latest news. Feb 09 23:40:31 i know :( Feb 09 23:41:18 yeah Feb 09 23:41:51 I don't see any use for flash at all Feb 09 23:42:12 Flash isn't useless, but I've not no real love of it on a device that small. Feb 09 23:42:16 heh, any linux user could tell you don't trust adobe when it comes to flash...palm missed that apparently Feb 09 23:42:18 er, got no. Feb 09 23:42:32 * dgathright thinks all the anger just a ploy from the dev community to scare HP into giving away free phones at the event tonight. Feb 09 23:42:35 no one is going to use html 5 for copyright videos no drm Feb 09 23:43:23 omg rage!!!!! no ota updates!!! RAGE!!!! Feb 09 23:43:28 * Loudergood expects a small riot and all the prototypes disappearing Feb 09 23:43:32 * Hendikins sets his Pre+ to English - Pseudoland. Feb 09 23:43:39 RAGE!!!! Feb 09 23:43:41 really a short event..it's weird Feb 09 23:43:58 the one earlier? Feb 09 23:44:00 fml sad panda Feb 09 23:44:04 or the dev one? Feb 09 23:44:06 no the dev one Feb 09 23:44:31 what the itinerary saying about it? Feb 09 23:44:42 just reinforcing dev day last year? Feb 09 23:44:45 angry: Netflix wants to go to