**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 11 02:59:57 2011 Feb 11 03:12:27 mmm... pumpkin cheesecake ben & jerrys Feb 11 03:12:38 I has it. Feb 11 03:12:52 Valentines day is coming up soon. need some webos lovin' Feb 11 03:12:55 nomnomnom? Feb 11 03:13:07 dumbledore: Umm… use a condom? Feb 11 03:13:16 :3 Feb 11 03:13:32 roy-pre101: exactly. only half a pint though. saving the other half for later Feb 11 03:13:36 i'd rahter not get semen between the keyboard Feb 11 03:13:44 O.o Feb 11 03:13:50 so yes, i ugess i could use one. Feb 11 03:13:59 dumbledore: tmi. Feb 11 03:14:02 lol Feb 11 03:14:10 what about a washable keyboard? Feb 11 03:14:17 lol talk about phone sex... Feb 11 03:14:25 I'm good Feb 11 03:14:26 interesting conversation. Feb 11 03:14:28 tmu Feb 11 03:14:32 *tmi Feb 11 03:14:34 not a bad idea. contradude Feb 11 03:15:05 could make good money off of that if someone were to invent a washable keyboard for the pixi/pre Feb 11 03:15:23 what about a washable pre? Feb 11 03:15:32 uber pro Feb 11 03:15:33 aka waterproof Feb 11 03:15:47 lol using the pre while in the shower Feb 11 03:16:03 that would literally make it invinceable to everything except fire Feb 11 03:16:19 SineOt: http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/03/3 animal beer.JPG Feb 11 03:16:45 if it wasn't for the slider the veer would be easy to seal Feb 11 03:17:18 wouldn't they still throw on a removeable backing like the pixi does Feb 11 03:17:28 lol epoxy it sealed and use virtual keyboard Feb 11 03:17:30 :-P Feb 11 03:17:31 nope, it's closed Feb 11 03:17:37 non-removable battery Feb 11 03:17:43 awesome Feb 11 03:18:21 dohtem: So -that's- who drinks bud light! Feb 11 03:18:36 is that the squirrel beer? Feb 11 03:18:37 lol Feb 11 03:18:42 lolwut Feb 11 03:19:40 they made the worlds strongest beer Feb 11 03:19:52 and stuck it in a taxidermied squirrel Feb 11 03:20:03 top of bottle comes out opened mouth Feb 11 03:20:03 someone should make carbonated vodka :3 Feb 11 03:20:11 palm needs to revamp the app webpages Feb 11 03:20:13 don't know if I could drink that Feb 11 03:20:16 they are suckish Feb 11 03:20:32 it's not event he weekend and we are off topic :D Feb 11 03:20:39 they will, after pre3 is out Feb 11 03:21:24 dohtem: that dude is my bro~ Feb 11 03:22:20 Good evening all Feb 11 03:27:48 can we ban mattykinsx from precentral? that guy is the biggest troll I have ever seen Feb 11 03:28:23 comment after comment of useless, shaky logic Feb 11 03:28:34 if you ignore them they go away Feb 11 03:28:45 oil: We should be so lucky. Feb 11 03:28:57 it works on halfhalo Feb 11 03:29:07 been ignoring him for 6 month Feb 11 03:29:08 haha Feb 11 03:29:09 lies Feb 11 03:29:12 he's still here Feb 11 03:29:37 halfhalo: lol Feb 11 03:31:38 must be busy on freenode Feb 11 03:31:44 was that a netsplit? Feb 11 03:31:52 a small one Feb 11 03:32:50 dang. how long does the initial submission take for the web feed? Feb 11 03:32:56 so I'm guessing by the silence there's no way to get him bounced Feb 11 03:33:48 depends, should only be about 2 hours I think Feb 11 03:35:23 contradude: i dont think anyone here has the power to ban someone from precentral, lol Feb 11 03:35:34 and banning trolls only makes them want to troll more Feb 11 03:35:38 I'm aware of that Feb 11 03:35:40 you should know Feb 11 03:35:44 then you're just in a ban-off Feb 11 03:36:57 if you do it repeatedly and remove all posts the account has and put something hilarious in the spot and tell everyone to ignore the troll they just go away Feb 11 03:37:14 it worked well when I was a mod for ambrosia softwares forums Feb 11 03:37:50 I had fun banning them. they got mad because no one knew what they said Feb 11 03:37:59 * halfhalo just bans people out of the blue on the forums he is a mod on Feb 11 03:38:06 LOL Feb 11 03:38:25 when it's obvious they're just trolling, they need to go Feb 11 03:38:52 I'm not saying anyone with an opposing opinion needs to, just the stooges Feb 11 03:45:47 BAZING Feb 11 03:48:30 I need to stop reading the forums. 3 trolls are trying their hardest to ruin the community Feb 11 03:49:04 everyones becoming a troll. Feb 11 03:49:14 not like these 3 Feb 11 03:49:44 they're just trying to inflame everyone and the rampant fanboyism is painful Feb 11 03:50:10 why can't they just eat their free hotpockets in mom's basement in peace? Feb 11 03:50:48 she kicked them out. Feb 11 03:50:55 lol Feb 11 03:55:58 btw I'm geeksquadkid on the forums xD Feb 11 03:56:27 lol I'm contradude Feb 11 03:56:40 * halfhalo is many people Feb 11 03:56:46 I was an agent last year btw Feb 11 03:56:58 lol. it told me my nick was taken. an agent? lol Feb 11 03:57:28 for geeksquad :-P Feb 11 03:57:37 oh lol xD Feb 11 03:58:00 work for a university's IT department now Feb 11 03:58:01 can anyone confirm that the battery on the Pre3 is removable? Feb 11 03:58:29 all batteries are removable. just depends on how hard you have to try :-P Feb 11 03:58:35 researching now Feb 11 03:59:19 they won't hire me lol Feb 11 03:59:21 I've been looking and cannot find anything about it other than the fact that they don't explicitely mention anything to the contrary Feb 11 03:59:46 I Believe they are. do NOT quote me. lol. Feb 11 04:01:34 lol palm pre sprint and epic 4g have something in common Feb 11 04:01:44 lack of updates lol Feb 11 04:01:46 crap battery Feb 11 04:01:51 Davide-NYC: I think dieter said it is.. but it's a pain in teh butt Feb 11 04:01:51 * halfhalo has both Feb 11 04:01:55 to get the cover off Feb 11 04:02:21 Tibfib: where did Dieter say that? Feb 11 04:02:28 on twitter I think Feb 11 04:02:28 Hey guys, gotta quick question Feb 11 04:02:33 webos-internals asked him Feb 11 04:02:40 IIRC, could be making this all up Feb 11 04:02:54 well...where do you put the sim card? ;) Feb 11 04:02:57 lemketron: something is awesome. jsyk Feb 11 04:03:04 Loudergood: boom, there we go Feb 11 04:03:16 heythe epic battery lasts a hell of a lot longer than the pre Feb 11 04:03:21 loudergood: trashcan Feb 11 04:03:24 of course now I'm wondering where the sim card goes on the veer Feb 11 04:03:42 If I try and download a theme on the precentral website, I click on the theme or whatever, and then it says please register or log in to download, and I know for a fact I'm logged in, but it won't show me the download link.. Any ideas? Feb 11 04:03:47 it's magnetic and attaches to the side Feb 11 04:04:02 like the headphone jack :-P Feb 11 04:04:14 DylanDutcher: use preware to install themes? Feb 11 04:04:36 naw contradude you tap it against the phone Feb 11 04:04:46 I was just gonna download it from the site and then put it on there using the quick install thing Feb 11 04:04:55 lol that would actually be amazing jarid Feb 11 04:05:10 Tibfib: I'm twitter-handicapped. Is the info on this page? http://twitter.com/backlon Feb 11 04:05:13 rub it on the HP logo Feb 11 04:05:21 if so I don't understand it Feb 11 04:05:23 lol Feb 11 04:05:34 http://twitter.com/#!/backlon/status/35501090094972929 Feb 11 04:05:55 Thank you! Feb 11 04:06:01 I think he's talking about a pre3 Feb 11 04:06:05 confirming now Feb 11 04:06:50 must be. veer non removable. Feb 11 04:07:04 Davide-NYC: yes he is talking about pre3 Feb 11 04:08:45 It's a necessary feature for me so I thank you for the info. Feb 11 04:09:20 yep! no prob Feb 11 04:09:30 would mini a smaller pre just be called "re" ? Feb 11 04:09:56 now I can play Feb 11 04:11:27 The battery on the Pre3 is a bit difficult to remove but entirely possible without tools. Feb 11 04:11:28 Davide-NYC: I have had conflicting reports on that question Feb 11 04:11:46 roy-pre101: is it like a pixi case? Feb 11 04:11:53 rwhitby: Similar. Feb 11 04:12:13 Rod, you're killing me. How do we generate a definitive answer on that question? Feb 11 04:12:14 I didn't try removing the case myself but I did watch someone do it right in front of me. Feb 11 04:12:27 Fingernail along the side. Feb 11 04:12:33 Davide-NYC: there's your answer. Feb 11 04:12:44 Whew! Feb 11 04:12:53 1350 mAh battery. Feb 11 04:13:00 IIRC. Feb 11 04:13:24 Well, I would be buying aftermarket giant batteries immediately. Feb 11 04:13:38 roy-pre101: can you think back, throughout the whole presentation, demo time and developer event, did anyone see a Veer or Pre 3 actually make a phone call? Feb 11 04:13:39 heh. Feb 11 04:14:26 OH NOES Feb 11 04:14:28 hmm… I can't be positive but someone HP folks seemed to be using them as their phones. Feb 11 04:14:29 it can't make calls! Feb 11 04:14:33 err, some Feb 11 04:14:37 battery is 1230 Feb 11 04:14:56 Didn't Ruinstein call in, then they "switched" to video mode? Feb 11 04:15:05 *doh* Rubinstein Feb 11 04:15:10 Davide-NYC: you never saw that Ruby was actually using Feb 11 04:15:15 s/that/what/ Feb 11 04:15:19 Yes, I /think/ it was a Pre3 he called on but I couldn't see him. Feb 11 04:15:26 So I didn't mention that. Feb 11 04:15:34 right Feb 11 04:15:52 * Davide-NYC Ph just gimme that damned phone already! Feb 11 04:16:30 roy-pre101: did you get a chance to use the keyboard? Feb 11 04:17:57 roy-pre101: If so did it feel solid Feb 11 04:18:12 On the Pre3? Yes, nice big keys. Feb 11 04:18:25 There should be a video of me using the Pre3 on webosroundup soon. Feb 11 04:18:54 sweett Feb 11 04:19:02 roypre: awesome! Feb 11 04:20:53 Both the new phones are really much nicer than you think they are. Feb 11 04:21:04 (I can read your minds) Feb 11 04:21:20 veer is the only one idk about I'm PSYCHED for the pre 3 Feb 11 04:21:41 it's EXACTLY what I wanted announced. Feb 11 04:22:24 heh, I keep thinking of them as different sized pres and forgetting that it's more likely that they're built more solidly like a pre2 Feb 11 04:23:45 I'm just worried about the sprint deal. I can't switch to bed red or big blue haha Feb 11 04:24:13 *big red* Feb 11 04:24:26 You would actually switch carriers for a webos phone Feb 11 04:25:02 funkatron: dude. Feb 11 04:25:13 dude? Feb 11 04:25:14 8D Feb 11 04:25:15 I doubt sprint is interested in webos at this point Feb 11 04:25:37 hey roy-pre101, I wanna be on the podcast again sometime to yell about stuff Feb 11 04:25:39 I said I can't lol Feb 11 04:26:00 funkatron: Man, I dunno if our listeners can handle that! Feb 11 04:26:05 BOOM Feb 11 04:26:29 Lemme see what our schedule looks like and ask the others. Feb 11 04:26:32 you should let me so I may grace them with my beautiful face. Feb 11 04:26:46 roy-pre101: oil and I never got to go on the devcast Feb 11 04:26:56 Yeah, what's up with the devcast? Feb 11 04:27:05 funkatron: That's the one you should come on. Feb 11 04:27:29 marss: no but I would be willing to comm board swap a pre2 and use that Feb 11 04:27:37 I heard lots of developers are jumping ship. Why exactly? Feb 11 04:27:38 on sprint Feb 11 04:27:39 we could have an open source devcast extravaganze Feb 11 04:27:41 yeah we should do that Feb 11 04:28:00 marss: people like to talk shit. I wouldn't believe that jazz. Feb 11 04:28:13 I'm jumping ship Feb 11 04:28:22 * Tibfib will jump ship Feb 11 04:28:24 ah, well, that's it then! Feb 11 04:28:33 Can't be jazz. Weboa hasn't been saying much for a while now Feb 11 04:28:41 Gonna jump from this crappy Pre 2 to a sweet Pre 3. Feb 11 04:28:55 hmmm, wonder whether I should get touchpad with data :/ Feb 11 04:29:00 * funkatron takes a dump on his pre2 Feb 11 04:29:12 rwhitby: heh, your pre2 has barely lost that new phone smell and you're already calling it crappy? :P Feb 11 04:29:18 Tibfib: no just tether that shiz Feb 11 04:29:29 JaridKG: haha, brilliant Feb 11 04:30:00 only hope it's not on a carrier with a non-unlimited data plan Feb 11 04:30:06 (pre3) Feb 11 04:30:09 rwhitby: when you do you should sell or give that pre 2 away :D I will gladly take it :P Feb 11 04:30:13 Yeah, really. Feb 11 04:30:13 I'll probably acquire the next WebOS device to be officially released in Australia with paid apps available... so my next phone will probably be running Android. :P Feb 11 04:30:26 destinal-home: actually, it's not the Pre 2, it's the crappy software on it. Like Spaz Feb 11 04:30:39 and Preware Feb 11 04:30:51 hehe Feb 11 04:30:53 POSes Feb 11 04:31:00 oi! Feb 11 04:31:02 not enough animation Feb 11 04:31:06 lol Feb 11 04:31:22 destinal-home: neither has anywhere near enough bling Feb 11 04:31:31 http://twitpic.com/3whmja Feb 11 04:31:33 rwhitby ^ too Feb 11 04:31:42 needs more blinky text Feb 11 04:32:01 does webkit support Feb 11 04:32:08 I think it does Feb 11 04:32:13 it does
Feb 11 04:33:00 I used to actually hexedit netscape to break the blink tag back in the day when people thought it made your site just awesome Feb 11 04:33:03 animated gifs and marquee please Feb 11 04:33:10 Time to board that plane. Feb 11 04:33:22 roy-pre101: have a good flight Feb 11 04:33:24 Later folks Feb 11 04:33:37 cya roy-pre101 Feb 11 04:33:39 be safe Feb 11 04:33:44 +1 Feb 11 04:33:53 peace Feb 11 04:34:22 Probability we'll see Veer or Pre3 on Tmobile? Both have HSPA+ models coming, and Tmo has much better HSPA+ than ATT does.. Feb 11 04:35:07 agreed. and pre 3 won't go sprint. new device this fall/winter no keyboard I'm calling it. Feb 11 04:35:50 I will kill you Feb 11 04:35:54 What frequency does T Mobile use for HSPA+ in the US? Feb 11 04:36:11 sugardave: me? Feb 11 04:36:14 If it isn't 850, 900, 1900 or 2100, I can't see them picking the device up. Feb 11 04:36:16 yes Feb 11 04:36:24 promise? Feb 11 04:36:48 if I don't get a Pre3 on Sprint "this summer" I will hunt you down and make you the example Feb 11 04:37:09 RAGE Feb 11 04:37:12 awesome! Feb 11 04:38:19 Hendikens: 1700/2100 MHz Feb 11 04:38:37 so 2100 matches. Feb 11 04:38:39 ctbeiser: I'll be surprised if there is a 1700 capable Pre3. Feb 11 04:39:01 2100 is primarily Europe/ROW. Feb 11 04:39:35 have faith young padawan Feb 11 04:40:00 Hendikins: I woulda agreed, but they're making chipsets these days that support more and more frequencies. It's not that hard to make a version that supports a different band, I don't think. Feb 11 04:40:33 ctbeiser: It can be done. The question is more whether it is worth it for a single carrier in a single country. Feb 11 04:41:38 Hendikins: I've never seen Palm having issues with making devices for single carriers in single countries before, and it's a pretty small tweak, no? Feb 11 04:42:05 s/palm/hp/ Feb 11 04:42:09 thats the issue Feb 11 04:42:31 I wouldn't call yet another radio a trivial tweak. The most likely scenario is quad band 850/900/1900/2100. Feb 11 04:42:52 (Or a continuation of the current 850/1900 or 900/2100 nonsense) Feb 11 04:43:19 pretty small tweak = significant RF design + additional certification Feb 11 04:43:32 just make it support everything, then build it into a toaster. problem solved. lol Feb 11 04:44:16 * Hendikins ' devices are on an 850/2100 network. Fortunately the 2100 doesn't matter all that much... Feb 11 04:44:21 a toaster with modular rf waffles Feb 11 04:45:04 exactly. and that does my laundry. is that too much to ask? come on Hpalm. Feb 11 04:45:30 Hendikins: Is 850/1900 seriously used by anyone other than ATT though? Feb 11 04:45:59 ctbeiser: 1900 probably not. 850 is used outside of AT&T though (the largest 3G network in Australia is 850 for example) Feb 11 04:46:52 didn't obama free up signal in the us or something (saw something on engadget) Feb 11 04:47:22 Hendikins: Also, I think that the ATT Pre Plus is only dual band, no? Feb 11 04:48:50 ctbeiser: Pre Plus and Pre 2 are both dual band, but you'll find many current handsets nowadays are quad band (including the iPhone4). Feb 11 04:49:44 Hendikins: Well, I'm hoping on a Tmobile launch regardless. I feel like the Veer is the kind of phone that Tmobile would go for, if that makes sense. Feb 11 04:50:22 ctbeiser: I'm not in the USA, so I can't comment on market demographics. 1700 just doesn't seem to fit from where I stand though. Feb 11 04:50:33 howdy boys and girls Feb 11 04:50:39 for webos fans couldn't it be hacked or w.e. Feb 11 04:51:20 ctbeiser: That being said, my country doesn't even exist as far as WebOS device releases are concerned, so I can't really talk. Feb 11 04:51:30 Hendikins: I'm pretty sure that they're not going for a 2+ for the Veer though, that'd probably add bulk. Feb 11 04:51:53 Hendikins: where you from? Feb 11 04:52:20 JaridKG: Australia. Feb 11 04:52:35 Pentaband please. All modes, all bands. Make the phone huge and give us a single SKU Feb 11 04:52:46 Hendikins: Err, they're not going to go for 3 or more bands. Being on Tmobile, I may as well not exist as far as webOS devices are concerned either, at this point. Feb 11 04:53:28 Hendikins: sweet I suposidly have family there. from when the British sent their criminals there lol. I decend from thieves who stole a boat to America from england. Feb 11 04:53:36 One can dream. How about just a pentaband GSM HSPA+. Forget all flavors of 4G for the moment. Feb 11 04:53:40 'night Feb 11 04:54:35 There is no way I would pay sprint 10.00 extra for a non 4g phone Feb 11 04:55:07 marss: same. if I'm getting charged 120 more a year I sure as hell better get 4G Feb 11 04:55:42 ctbeiser: They're going to have a hard time getting people to take the Pre3 seriously as a world phone if it doesn't have a quad band HSPA+ radio. Feb 11 04:56:08 JaridKG: My HSPA+ is probably faster than your wimax :P Feb 11 04:56:30 Hendikins: Are they going to push it as a world phone? Feb 11 04:56:45 ctbeiser: Are they pushing it to the business market? Feb 11 04:57:14 Hendikins: Are they pushing it seriously to anyone at all right now? Feb 11 04:57:35 ctbeiser: Touche at this point. Until I see it selling, it is still vapourware. Feb 11 04:58:03 Hendrikins: yeah well well I got webos phones... kinda... maybe..... yeah... Feb 11 04:59:14 Out of interest, what sort of speeds can wimax achieve in the field? I've seen up to 21 down/3.5 up with a dual carrier HSPA+ device in real world conditions (Sierra AirCard 312U). Feb 11 04:59:42 can the pre plus be used without sim card? some links on google mention tapping top right, but that didn't work for me Feb 11 05:00:30 yeah wimax isn't great but better than 3G... wish sprint jumped on the LTE bandwaggon.. Feb 11 05:01:14 wiimax works great for me. very fast for a [hone Feb 11 05:01:44 still slower and more buggy than LTE last I heard Feb 11 05:02:01 I'm actually curious about some numbers. Feb 11 05:02:07 7 Feb 11 05:02:08 14 Feb 11 05:02:15 6 .. that's a curious obe Feb 11 05:02:16 one Feb 11 05:02:23 Have people seen it do 5 megabits down in the field? 10? 20? Feb 11 05:02:57 it doesn't cover my area. my friends only get it an hourish away from where I live Feb 11 05:03:43 I'm pretty much stuck with my current carrier, on account of the alternatives varying from worse to essentially unusable. Feb 11 05:05:15 sucks lol Feb 11 05:05:57 The main issue with my carrier is that you pay for it. They don't really compete on price. Then again, they don't really need to. Feb 11 05:06:52 I feel ya. Feb 11 05:07:05 Want to have good coverage, phone calls that don't drop out often if at all, and fast data? Then you use Telstra or you give up your quality of service. Feb 11 05:08:07 Oddly enough, Telstra was the last carrier to supply a Palm handset in Australia - namely the Treo Pro. Feb 11 05:08:44 here it's like this. Want great service and to get raped choose verizon. want slightly worse service and a softer rapeing choose ATT. want worse service and the softest rapeing possible choose sprint/tmobile. Feb 11 05:09:28 Over here, Telstra is the quality option, Optus is the in between option, and 3/Vodafone are the bottom feeders. Feb 11 05:09:31 JaridKG, don't anything about that. i get almost 10megs on it Feb 11 05:10:03 Deihmos: what? lol Feb 11 05:11:55 I'm just waiting for GSM-R to become operational here. Then I won't be able to use a Pre as a work phone any more. Feb 11 05:12:19 if there's a more appropriate place for my question, i wouldn't mind a pointer Feb 11 05:14:40 Hendikins: GSM-R? Feb 11 05:15:02 i get almost 10Mb on wiimax Feb 11 05:15:39 undrwater: do you mean to just use it on wifi? you can do that Feb 11 05:16:05 rwhitby: GSM for Railway. My employer is rolling it out, and they'll eventually move us to GSM-R handsets. Feb 11 05:16:10 undrwater: but if you want to activate it or something on wifi, you'll probably need to create your own doctor with meta-doctor Feb 11 05:16:41 undrwater: and the best place to learn/talk about that is in #webos-internals and at webos-internals.org Feb 11 05:16:50 And I can be pretty certain there will never be a GSM-R Pre. Feb 11 05:17:01 sugardave: thanks...i just want to be able to use it on wifi Feb 11 05:17:25 and i will head over to #webos-internals Feb 11 05:17:28 undrwater: so you should just tap and drag down from the upper right to turn wifi on Feb 11 05:17:42 and then pick an ap to connect to Feb 11 05:17:43 OK...i missed the drag down :) Feb 11 05:17:49 :) Feb 11 05:17:51 thank you Feb 11 05:17:52 np Feb 11 05:18:22 and lurk here :) Feb 11 05:18:40 both channels are chock full of goodness Feb 11 05:20:31 rwhitby: Rail Corporation New South Wales and Department of Transport Victoria are both rolling out GSM-R, I'm employed by the former. ARTC uses Telstra 850. It is likely that future rail comms equipment will be GSM-R + UMTS 850. Feb 11 05:22:48 (Staff phones are currently on Telstra 850, hence using a Pre) Feb 11 05:29:08 there we go finally it lets m switch lol Feb 11 05:32:21 * Hendikins pokes around at software version vNova-Barleywine on the phone with the work SIM in it. Feb 11 05:33:10 it's not that amazing. I tried it for two days and doctored back. Feb 11 05:33:42 I don't need a work phone for 5 weeks, so I figure I might as well look. Feb 11 05:34:08 Ideally I'd like both my handsets to run the same OS, but clearly that isn't going to be allowed. Feb 11 05:35:08 lol well it COULD happen. Feb 11 05:36:00 Ideally I'd also be able to have ROW 2.x firmware on the AT&T Pre Plus. Feb 11 05:39:30 Okay, I'm going to join in on the webOS poo poo parade Feb 11 05:39:39 Veer as GSM only? Whhyyyyyyyyyyy Feb 11 05:39:57 if it's cheap off contract, I'm picking one up Feb 11 05:40:02 * Tibfib doubts it Feb 11 05:40:05 but hey, if Feb 11 05:40:37 SineOt: Because on a global scale, CDMA doesn't matter? Feb 11 05:41:23 Hendikins: Ah yeah, a global phone for a platform with a really poorly handled global app catalog! XD Feb 11 05:41:32 it all makes sense now P: Feb 11 05:42:57 SineOt: Seriously though... how many carriers worldwide still use CDMA? Feb 11 05:43:10 China is a big one. Feb 11 05:43:32 But yeah, GSM ftw. Feb 11 05:43:49 The number of carriers would be a handful at best. Feb 11 05:44:11 How many carriers in the US use it? One of them is the largest, and the other takes third Feb 11 05:44:24 It's enough that they're doing the Pre3 as a CDMA device though Feb 11 05:44:25 meh, as if usage in the US matters ... Feb 11 05:44:27 There is a whole wide world outside of the USA though. Feb 11 05:45:03 I know there is, Hendikins, I'm not saying that there isn't Feb 11 05:45:24 See if they can move GSM inventory. If they can, you might have a chance of CDMA inventory. Feb 11 05:46:05 Although CDMA is somewhat of a dead end anyway. Feb 11 05:47:39 SineOt: It may also be the case they they simply can't fit the required circuitry and antenna for CDMA in that package *shrug*. Feb 11 05:48:03 if they dont release on sprint, i quit Feb 11 05:48:18 * halfhalo watches oil quit Feb 11 05:48:21 oil: canuck coding will miss you Feb 11 05:48:23 lol Feb 11 05:48:47 if oil quits, then I will quit Feb 11 05:49:13 haha Feb 11 05:49:28 (I'll be forced to, cause I didn't learn Mojo, so I can't unlearn it before I learn Enyo) Feb 11 05:49:46 CDMA may be a dead end in Europe, etc, but Verizon still has 105 million subscribers in the US, and Sprint has another 56 million Feb 11 05:50:16 look at that, there is bunches of us! Feb 11 05:50:32 thats because we cool Feb 11 05:50:44 * rwhitby cools a beer Feb 11 05:51:03 SineOt: Was CDMA ever used in Europe in the first place? Feb 11 05:51:16 Don't know Feb 11 05:51:47 It was used in Australia for a few years in between AMPS and nationwide UMTS 850. Feb 11 05:55:06 gah, have a pre plus that's lost it's mind. think i want to try doctoring before i RMA Feb 11 05:55:31 then do it Feb 11 05:55:46 downloading now Feb 11 05:55:49 cxreg: doctor is always a good idea Feb 11 05:57:06 i've been using eg "ssh root@pre dd if=/dev/mapper/store-media > media" to get backups Feb 11 05:57:17 does that seem reasonable or is there a better way? Feb 11 06:10:38 just submitted koto Feb 11 06:10:39 bam Feb 11 06:12:40 cxreg: I usually use tar to stream it over novacom Feb 11 06:13:03 cxreg: from a memboot of the recovery kernel and initramfs Feb 11 06:15:36 that sounds handy, is there a howto for the recovery kernel? Feb 11 06:16:49 cxreg: "make memboot backup" in the Meta-Doctor Feb 11 06:17:55 thanks, you rock Feb 11 06:27:31 damn rwhitby, you seriously make things too simple Feb 11 06:27:55 it's what I do Feb 11 06:28:36 :-) Feb 11 06:29:45 "UNLESS YOU ARE A MAKEFILE EXPERT" # god forbid Feb 11 06:29:57 lol Feb 11 06:30:37 does Meta-Doctor have any kind of restore functionality as well? Feb 11 06:34:41 nope Feb 11 06:34:58 but you can look at the commands and do the reverse tar Feb 11 06:35:11 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 06:38:10 YIKES. precentral forums are super negative Feb 11 06:38:38 they're always way negative Feb 11 06:38:41 I guess that's okay.. cleanhouse of new users with pre3 and such Feb 11 06:38:52 SineOt: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/274956-hp-developer-conference-epic-fail.html Feb 11 06:39:11 Boom: http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tibfib.app.koto Feb 11 06:39:56 boo, Pixi support Feb 11 06:40:17 to be fair, the announcement really was rather the bare minimum they could have gotten away with Feb 11 06:41:01 but i'm certainly interested anyway :) Feb 11 06:41:40 the dev event was weak for a dev event. it was a sweet "enyo" event Feb 11 06:42:12 gosh. the palm web pages for apps are awful Feb 11 06:43:48 There are very few decent webos apps imo Feb 11 06:44:23 hi Feb 11 06:44:23 marss: yes there are Feb 11 06:45:07 * Tibfib is bad at timing releases Feb 11 06:45:09 oh well Feb 11 06:45:18 2 years and the catalog lacks so much and looks like the wait is long from over Feb 11 06:45:25 time for bed Feb 11 06:45:28 goodnight everyone Feb 11 07:15:39 Hi all! I want to join the early developer program to get a closer look at Enyo, and I know I have to send an email to pdc@palm.com, but is there some kind of template of waht to say? Feb 11 07:15:54 No Feb 11 07:16:08 Just say you would like to have access to early development Feb 11 07:16:10 Ok :) thank Feb 11 07:16:15 *thanks Feb 11 07:16:19 then give it a cuple of days and you will have access Feb 11 07:35:02 morning Feb 11 07:35:23 hi Feb 11 07:48:15 morning swisstomcat Feb 11 07:50:31 morning hotdp Feb 11 08:01:23 I will hold back my webos 2.0 updates Feb 11 08:01:31 until new hardware Feb 11 08:01:51 because i might also need to rewrite them in the new framework Feb 11 08:01:56 some lame stuff happening Feb 11 08:09:43 well, so far so good with the doctoring Feb 11 08:09:45 man now it's waiting time for my early access membership Feb 11 08:09:56 not sure how i managed to destroy the os to such an extent Feb 11 10:03:40 anyone awake Feb 11 10:04:28 zzzzZZZZ Feb 11 10:09:37 yeryer Feb 11 10:10:56 anybody know about dr. battery on the pre2? Feb 11 10:13:28 nono Feb 11 10:13:48 what about it? Feb 11 10:21:01 * ajay_ is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] Feb 11 10:22:14 * ajay_ is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 1 min 13 secs Feb 11 10:22:35 if it's available.. i can't seem to find it, but i think the changelog on git said something about webOS 2.. Feb 11 10:26:52 yeah, i have it on my pre2 Feb 11 10:27:13 swisstomcat: oh yeah? hmm, k.. i can't seem to find it in preware, and i have testing on.. dr battery srv is there tho, which is weird... Feb 11 10:27:26 let me see which feed it's in Feb 11 10:28:41 webos internals Feb 11 10:28:47 whatever that means Feb 11 10:28:51 haha Feb 11 10:29:22 hi easelpeasel Feb 11 10:29:27 hi :-) Feb 11 10:29:37 regarding your post on preforum.de Feb 11 10:29:46 there's another hackday planned .. maybe in munich Feb 11 10:30:05 nice :-) Feb 11 10:31:28 swisstomcat: i def have webosinternals and testing.. hrmm.. Feb 11 10:31:56 both testing feeds? Feb 11 10:32:09 both? Feb 11 10:32:14 armv7 and all? Feb 11 10:32:58 well, i hope the next event will take place on weekend :-) Feb 11 10:33:05 probably Feb 11 10:33:23 this last hackday was a company event, so it had to be on a workday Feb 11 10:34:17 hm, not sure.. i have 2 in there, they might be the same.. these are the days when i wish preware did landscape, sinc ei can't see the whole URL Feb 11 10:34:19 jip Feb 11 10:34:58 oh flash 10.2 is released, i guess that means webOS 2 is ready to come out.. (with 10.1 :) Feb 11 10:38:39 is enyo out now? Feb 11 10:38:53 i think so Feb 11 10:39:04 joetweeply: I think chuq tweeted that it was.. Feb 11 10:39:18 hum... and i still don't have access :/ Feb 11 10:39:25 if not, it'll be 'in coming months' Feb 11 10:39:39 * ajay_ is shuddering now.. realizing that enyo'll have no gestures Feb 11 10:40:43 joetweeply: it takes some time. You could have signed up earlyer ;) Feb 11 10:40:53 coulda woulda Feb 11 10:43:06 * ajay_ needs a Vz Pre2.. debating what to do with the newfound GSM Pre2.. Feb 11 10:43:58 didn't tweet it yet Feb 11 10:43:59 so not out Feb 11 10:44:02 thought so :/ Feb 11 10:44:15 was said today... yesterday Feb 11 10:45:36 now i'm just sad Feb 11 10:46:02 he did tweet it Feb 11 10:46:07 @webosdev Feb 11 10:46:13 so it should be out Feb 11 10:46:56 i get really frustrated following his tweets which point to the dev forum.. they're useless to me if i'm not logged in, but how I am supposed to guess if a bit.ly URL will take me there?! gah! Feb 11 10:47:27 they work if you're logged in once Feb 11 10:50:46 yeah i think that was implicit in my statement, but wasn't my point.. Feb 11 10:59:41 wow.. craigslist congratulates me for having a phone authorization (which it forced me to do).. congratulates me.. but then won't let me post?! grr! Feb 11 11:10:02 * ajay_ is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] Feb 11 11:10:29 * ajay_ is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 0 min 27 secs Feb 11 11:21:01 * ajay_ is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] Feb 11 11:22:06 * ajay_ is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 1 min 5 secs Feb 11 11:22:31 * ajay_ thinks that HPalm NEEDS to release a 1.4.x/1.5 with fix for TMC errors. REQUIRED Feb 11 11:23:35 id rather have a webos device that can tell the time properly tbh Feb 11 11:23:55 mine just "loses" 20 minutes or so a day, even without network time enabled Feb 11 11:30:05 even without? Feb 11 11:30:27 yup Feb 11 11:30:29 sinon: you'd rather have a device that can tell time OVER fixing TMC? that's ridiculous Feb 11 11:30:32 i don't understand Feb 11 11:30:49 with network time enabled it shouldn't lose. Feb 11 11:30:54 with it.. that's just odd. Feb 11 11:30:57 it does ;) Feb 11 11:31:07 has done since i got the thing, when it first came out Feb 11 11:31:15 that's a problem that could be fixed though Feb 11 11:31:37 TMC, as Sprint users have informed me, can not Feb 11 11:31:41 surely TMC (too many cards, right?) is a RAM issue? Feb 11 11:31:55 no it's a Palm issue Feb 11 11:32:20 surely the device couldnt support an infinite number of cards open? Feb 11 11:32:38 yeah everyone is opening an infinite number of cards Feb 11 11:32:43 pilot error Feb 11 11:32:52 blame the user Feb 11 11:32:55 theyre assholes Feb 11 11:32:58 o_O Feb 11 11:33:05 NOT COOL Feb 11 11:33:29 what would you prefer? as many cards open as you want, and slower performance? Feb 11 11:33:37 or a limited number of cards, and "expected" performance? Feb 11 11:34:10 it doesn't matter on the number of cards, BRO Feb 11 11:36:54 This and build quality are definitely in the top 3 of the reasons why sprint isn't carrying Palm hardware anymore Feb 11 11:38:10 sprint cares how many cards you can have open? Feb 11 11:38:13 a support nightmare, it probably cost them BUCKETS of cash to deal with webOS devices.. (phone/store support, plus device replacement costs for the folks on their 11th (+/-) pre..) Feb 11 11:38:37 man you are beyond dumb Feb 11 11:38:42 sheesh Feb 11 11:38:58 * simonmaddox shrugs Feb 11 11:39:05 can't be awesome at everything, i guess Feb 11 11:39:53 People will complain to hell to sprint when they have 0 cards open and can't open a goddamned app.. if my support note above didn't answer your question, then yeah, no hope.. Feb 11 11:40:19 FYI, ive had my original pre since the UK launch a couple of years ago and ive never seen the TMC error Feb 11 11:40:32 o_O Feb 11 11:40:45 did someone just throw their toys out of the pram? Feb 11 14:08:04 good morning #webos Feb 11 14:08:31 haeffb: !! Feb 11 14:08:48 haeffb and mr martini! Feb 11 14:08:54 Bmyers!!! hotdp!!! \o/ Feb 11 14:09:05 morning haeffb, bmyers Feb 11 14:09:05 hotpd \o/ !! Feb 11 14:09:15 so how do you "oldtimers" feel now after the big day? Feb 11 14:09:17 and....peter.... Feb 11 14:09:35 i dunno what to make of things really.. Feb 11 14:09:39 sigh. wait another 6 months to *maybe* get a new phone... Feb 11 14:10:01 i do know that "Palm" is a thing of the past Feb 11 14:10:07 come on, I'm sure you'll be able to get a veer before then ;) Feb 11 14:10:15 too small Feb 11 14:10:20 not on Sprint Feb 11 14:10:46 what I'm thinking is, at least I'm not a maemo/meego developer.. Feb 11 14:11:09 Loudergood lol Feb 11 14:11:15 from the developer side - it sucks to have to start over. Feb 11 14:11:18 but mojo will die too! Feb 11 14:11:25 HEY HEY HEY Feb 11 14:11:40 OLDETYMERS Feb 11 14:11:54 sort of yes, but I don't see an emulator showing up to run meego apps on wp7 Feb 11 14:12:48 I am not sure why they're calling it an "emulator" but, yeah Feb 11 14:13:35 did anyone here go to SF? Feb 11 14:14:07 only because I don't have a better word for it Feb 11 14:14:11 roy-pre101 was there, but I don't think he's in Feb 11 14:14:24 Loudergood: nah, palm peeps are calling it that Feb 11 14:14:37 they don't have one either ;) Feb 11 14:14:59 nokida devs will have to start over again Feb 11 14:15:02 for the 3rd time Feb 11 14:15:03 it seems to emulate the phone formfactor more than anything Feb 11 14:15:05 welcome to the club Feb 11 14:15:09 yeah, symbian is gone Feb 11 14:15:23 at least we'll have a web-based environment Feb 11 14:15:33 and "just" a new framework Feb 11 14:15:41 hi Feb 11 14:15:44 hey, you could still write apps in Mojo if you package it with your app. I think. Feb 11 14:15:50 I mean, if you wanted. which I bet you don't Feb 11 14:16:19 I read on precetral that's possible to install webos on pc using an emulator image... Anyone knows how to do that? Feb 11 14:16:50 I would imagine it's complex Feb 11 14:16:58 i think it was posted in the precentral forum a while ago Feb 11 14:16:59 I mean, you could run it full-screeen in a vm Feb 11 14:17:41 I think the issue would be if the binaries are compatible with your architecture, first off Feb 11 14:17:42 funkatron: wow you started something in your blog Feb 11 14:17:51 link? Feb 11 14:18:02 swisstomcat: I'm a pretty big deal Feb 11 14:18:04 I tried to read it on my pre yesterday, then got distracted Feb 11 14:18:08 it doesn't seem to complicated.. I simply can't extract the vmdk image.. the architecture is x86 since runs on a computer Feb 11 14:18:11 it's a great read Feb 11 14:18:17 thanks man! Feb 11 14:18:22 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/245291-running-webos-pc-hardware.html Feb 11 14:18:30 link? Feb 11 14:18:36 and many valid points Feb 11 14:18:42 pipposanta2: well, that's true, the virtualbox stuff is compiled for x86, isn't it? Feb 11 14:18:54 funkatron: yeah, it's compiled for x86 Feb 11 14:18:57 so, assuming you have compatible hardware, yeah Feb 11 14:19:19 funkatron: there also some videos documenting the stuff Feb 11 14:19:25 cool Feb 11 14:19:56 I don't think webOS is a mouse-driven UI, so I hope they don't try to force it into that Feb 11 14:20:04 never mind, I googled instead Feb 11 14:20:23 Let Bing Google That For You Feb 11 14:20:49 funkatron: from what I understood there is still no way to control it via mouse.. only via keyboard Feb 11 14:20:59 right Feb 11 14:21:06 that sounds horrible 8D Feb 11 14:21:20 funkatron: yeah! Feb 11 14:21:52 anyway, I just don't think it's a good idea to shove the webOS UI (which is the coolest part about it, imho) into a mouse/keyboard model Feb 11 14:21:53 funkatron: do you know how could I create a bootable usb drive with web os on it? I tried to read the thread but without success... Feb 11 14:22:01 pipposanta2: no, I do not Feb 11 14:22:19 funkatron: ok Feb 11 14:22:34 I'm more of an "idea guy" 8D Feb 11 14:23:13 funkatron: ??? Feb 11 14:23:19 heheh Feb 11 14:23:27 funaktron: what do you mean? Feb 11 14:24:15 funkatron: what do you mean? Feb 11 14:24:22 I was joking Feb 11 14:24:27 I just don't know how to do it Feb 11 14:25:19 funkatron: I thought you already did it and you had the extracted image ready to send me... lol Feb 11 14:25:25 hah Feb 11 14:26:45 funkatron: I would like to install web os on this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O2_Joggler Feb 11 14:27:05 ummmm Feb 11 14:27:11 well, good luck with that 8D Feb 11 14:27:31 this is kinda funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9YqlmM8zw Feb 11 14:27:35 funkatron: thanks!!! I will need much luck!! Feb 11 14:27:42 pipposanta2 gl hf Feb 11 14:27:43 yeah, hey, if you do, awesome!! Feb 11 14:28:04 damn its a ugly device Feb 11 14:28:40 pipposanta2: good luck with the gpu support Feb 11 14:28:41 hotdp: I don't think so, it's capable of running android, ubuntu, jolicloud and many other os Feb 11 14:28:59 i did not talk about the specs, i talked about the LOOK Feb 11 14:29:05 and i think its ugly Feb 11 14:29:10 but thats just my "taste" Feb 11 14:29:16 yea Feb 11 14:29:17 it is ugly Feb 11 14:29:33 Loudergood: thanks, fortunately the o2 joggler community already had Feb 11 14:29:36 ... Feb 11 14:29:50 Loudergood: support for the gpu Feb 11 14:29:56 * Workenhaven wonders if you put a picture of hotdp on it if it would create some sort of infinite loop of uglyness Feb 11 14:30:00 :P Feb 11 14:30:33 a picture of hot dp? Feb 11 14:30:40 yeah I know it has not the best look.... Feb 11 14:30:41 it was a joke Feb 11 14:30:58 hot double pen..... Feb 11 14:31:01 ? Feb 11 14:31:03 I have some hot dp vids Feb 11 14:31:05 No Feb 11 14:31:13 Its hot DEEEP penetration not double Feb 11 14:31:22 lol, hotdp what does the dp stand for Feb 11 14:31:30 Deep Penetration Feb 11 14:31:31 lol Feb 11 14:31:35 oy Feb 11 14:31:41 pipposanta2: how's the battery life? Feb 11 14:31:44 you want the size in meters? Feb 11 14:32:03 fucking nick talk all the time Feb 11 14:32:12 and always the same people Feb 11 14:32:19 It hasn't a battery, it's always charged via ac Feb 11 14:33:01 ah I see Feb 11 14:36:12 CTLAdvance: why do you still have a pre as your profile? you seem to be pretty wp7 to me Feb 11 14:36:27 in meters???? Feb 11 14:36:31 I am still on and developing for WP7 Feb 11 14:36:35 using a pre2 Feb 11 14:36:50 I mean developing for webos Feb 11 14:37:28 I support multiple platforms now, I realised when HP bought palm and we didnt get any new devices for so long, I needed to be on multiple platforms Feb 11 14:37:53 "Bob" makes a very good point. I'm sooo glad that I didn't fly across the country to attend the event. Feb 11 14:38:16 so now were doing WP7, webOS and now were tinkering with android agaion Feb 11 14:41:35 I prob need to make the profile show multiple platforms I guess.... Feb 11 14:43:18 does wircd tab complete ? Feb 11 14:43:38 sup CTLAdvance Feb 11 14:43:43 hey joe Feb 11 14:44:27 Tibfib - also not having any new devices for years really hurts your base, otherwise I would still be a mindless fanboy. Feb 11 14:45:28 joe_pre - hows the pre+ treating you? Overclock it yet? Feb 11 14:45:45 woot 7 or 8 peeople have bought koto! Feb 11 14:46:05 nice Feb 11 14:46:16 $17 here I come! Feb 11 14:47:07 Tibfib - I cant see it in my marketplace Feb 11 14:47:18 it is in the web feed atm Feb 11 14:47:24 oh Feb 11 14:47:25 I submitted it there first, then to catalog Feb 11 14:47:35 http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.tibfib.app.koto Feb 11 14:48:11 nice disclaimer Feb 11 14:48:15 had to Feb 11 14:48:20 CTlAdvanced I'm lovin it ... the wierdiest thing is if I leave wifi on it dosent affect battery it helps it .. sound right ? Feb 11 14:48:21 can't specify 2.0 as min version :( Feb 11 14:48:38 joe_pre: if you have wifi in range it can help.. if you don't have wifi in range, it hurts Feb 11 14:48:58 joe_pre: tap the gesture area and the option key at the same time. Feb 11 14:49:30 now.. to keep going in mojo or move to enyo Feb 11 14:50:03 haeffb: for what does guesture and option do Feb 11 14:50:13 tab-complete Feb 11 14:50:19 in wirc Feb 11 14:50:20 oh Feb 11 14:50:49 haeffb: thanks Feb 11 14:52:47 joe_pre - Yes, 3G draws to much data, they did an excellent job optimizing the system for wifi... unless your out of range like tibfib said, you will want to shut it off Feb 11 14:52:56 3g draws to much power Feb 11 14:53:33 hey, what do you people use to sync music on OS X to your Pre? Feb 11 14:54:47 Tibfib - Thats a tough call, prob should start looking at enyo Feb 11 14:54:56 :( Feb 11 14:55:04 I think I'm going to do one more update in mojo Feb 11 14:55:06 then go enyo Feb 11 14:55:14 yeah, if I turn off 3g data when I'm not using it, it's a huge boon for battery life Feb 11 14:55:36 Loudergood: +1 Feb 11 14:55:49 enyo should run fine even on 1.4.5 Feb 11 14:55:57 https://build.phonegap.com/ Feb 11 14:55:59 considering my plan only gives me 50/MB I do that a lot Feb 11 14:56:01 speculating, of course. ahem. Feb 11 14:56:43 same great taste.. less filling.. Feb 11 14:58:53 lol. I can't work. I just want to keep refreshing the metrix data Feb 11 14:59:20 set up a script to send you an email every time it changes ;) Feb 11 14:59:21 hehe Feb 11 14:59:35 too bad i can't buy apps here Feb 11 15:01:38 lol Feb 11 15:04:34 wait, the enyo email app doesn't have threaded email? Feb 11 15:08:43 nope Feb 11 15:09:21 gaaaaaaaaaaaah Feb 11 15:09:29 dangit. that's too bad **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 11 15:15:53 2011 Feb 11 15:20:35 anyone know css? Feb 11 15:21:55 well before that net split I said.. Feb 11 15:21:57 anyone know css? Feb 11 15:24:02 Loudergood: do you use a patch to turn off 3g data ? I have a patch to use 2g or 3g Feb 11 15:24:10 hi Feb 11 15:24:46 toggle "G/3g Feb 11 15:25:22 MetaView: a patch correct ? Feb 11 15:32:05 hmm, it's kinda laggy here :/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzapp80Z9bg Feb 11 15:33:22 I assume it's because the software is so new Feb 11 15:43:49 veer is mega fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j308A6yCY2Y Feb 11 15:44:59 hmm how to reply: "@koto_player I hope this is not the sign of things(Pre minus getting shut out on app releases)" Feb 11 15:45:08 ".@JCardona71 I would love for pre minus users to be able to use #KotoPlayer. I got burned by @palm too." Feb 11 15:45:10 ? Feb 11 15:45:16 yeah :/ Feb 11 15:45:23 but nothing you can do about it, tibfib Feb 11 15:45:31 forward them to palm Feb 11 15:45:37 good idea Feb 11 15:45:49 it was their idea to nix 2.x on old devices Feb 11 15:46:03 ".@JCardona71 You should let @palm know you want 2.0, they chose not to let pre minus' get it" Feb 11 15:46:16 ".@JCardona71 You should let @palm know you want 2.0, they chose not to update the pre minus" Feb 11 15:46:42 sounds good Feb 11 15:46:47 what is koto-player? Feb 11 15:46:52 my music player Feb 11 15:47:07 is it better than the build-in and remix and ff? Feb 11 15:47:11 for 2.x only Feb 11 15:47:26 well imo :) Feb 11 15:47:35 way better than built in Feb 11 15:47:35 what is better? Feb 11 15:47:44 http://www.kotoplayer.com/ Feb 11 15:47:47 I'm quite fine with the build-in Feb 11 15:48:07 and http://www.kotoplayer.com/screenshots.html Feb 11 15:49:13 playlist is quite fine, lyrics too, I was thinking to make a patch for this in the build-in Feb 11 15:49:15 "A Veer with a landscape sliding keyboard would have been amazing. Super compact, super powerful, and perfect size keyboard." disagreeeee Feb 11 15:50:07 tibfib: too bad you'll have to rewrite it now with enyo Feb 11 15:50:11 lol Feb 11 15:50:14 no kidding :) Feb 11 15:50:36 swisstomcat: I'm not sure Feb 11 15:50:37 but it should be fine as a mojo app for phones for a while Feb 11 15:50:48 why to rewrite everything? Feb 11 15:51:00 how does mojo look like on the pad? Feb 11 15:51:08 mojo is not on the pad Feb 11 15:51:18 mojo is "emulated" on the pad Feb 11 15:51:29 because the pad doesn't have the gesture area Feb 11 15:51:35 mojo runs in a penalty box on the pad Feb 11 15:51:40 nooo Feb 11 15:51:45 how does it look like? Feb 11 15:51:49 and why the hell does the pad not have a gesture area Feb 11 15:51:54 haeffb: did you get my pm? Feb 11 15:51:57 last night? Feb 11 15:51:58 MetaView: don't know, haven't seen. Feb 11 15:52:08 because it is not comfortable to reach the bottom of the pad? Feb 11 15:52:11 hey sugardave Feb 11 15:52:15 afaik, and I'm speculating a bit, but mojo apps will run in a smallish window on the tablet Feb 11 15:52:16 hello Feb 11 15:52:33 funkatron: a small window on the pad would be ok for many things Feb 11 15:52:35 so they retain expected height/width Feb 11 15:52:35 sugardave: how do you feel about the post-mojo dev world? Feb 11 15:52:41 just like widgets on a desktop Feb 11 15:52:49 swisstomcat: still getting my feet wet....but I think I'm going to like it Feb 11 15:52:59 a little bit like iPhone apps on the iPad Feb 11 15:53:13 but, again, I'm making educated guesses Feb 11 15:53:33 funkatron: I would expect the same Feb 11 15:54:49 it will prob be a card with the arrows at the bottom Feb 11 15:54:54 and a pre sized window Feb 11 15:54:58 right Feb 11 15:55:38 haeffb: I wonder the same thing... I'm hoping they'll use the entire screen as a gesture area if you use your full hand or something, but... :p Feb 11 15:55:55 or four fingers or so Feb 11 15:56:11 thats kind of disappointting that there is no gesture area Feb 11 15:56:23 didnt catch that from the other day Feb 11 15:56:27 apparently that idea was thrown out Feb 11 15:56:30 at some point Feb 11 15:56:53 HP prob didnt want to manfab it Feb 11 15:56:54 as long as they don't go to the "back button" Feb 11 15:57:13 ummm Feb 11 15:57:20 you're gonna need to start putting back buttons into your apps Feb 11 15:57:27 guarantee it 8D Feb 11 15:57:34 blehh Feb 11 15:57:42 not necessarly Feb 11 15:57:43 the stack metaphor for scenes is gone in enyo.. so back gesture doesn't work as well Feb 11 15:57:52 haeffb: there are back buttons Feb 11 15:57:54 :( Feb 11 15:57:56 because we have more screen space we might not have scenes like before Feb 11 15:58:06 yeah, you may not need a back button in your app Feb 11 15:58:13 depending on the app of course Feb 11 15:58:13 but, if you need a "back" action… Feb 11 15:58:26 many people never got the back gesture Feb 11 15:58:27 a back shake? :D Feb 11 15:58:36 shake to go back Feb 11 15:58:37 haha Feb 11 15:58:40 go back! *shakeshakeshake* more! *shakeshakeshake* Feb 11 15:58:49 tap on the right side to go back Feb 11 15:58:56 tap on the left side to go forward Feb 11 15:59:11 tap or bang .. whatever you like Feb 11 15:59:52 but.... Feb 11 16:00:09 ...isn't the point to be able to run the app on phone, tab or PC? Feb 11 16:00:24 my phone needs stacks or something. Feb 11 16:00:26 Am I allowed to use SDL_CreateRGBSurface in SDL_CreateThread? Feb 11 16:00:36 i assume you can still use the gestures on the phone Feb 11 16:00:37 in a thread created with SDL_CreateThread Feb 11 16:00:41 MetaView: only on Thursdays Feb 11 16:00:45 oh Feb 11 16:00:47 dammit Feb 11 16:00:50 that was yesterday Feb 11 16:00:54 wait until next week Feb 11 16:01:03 "in the coming weeks" Feb 11 16:01:47 so, for instance, the email app with three panes... Feb 11 16:02:05 on the phone, you still need to move from pane to pane with back gestures... Feb 11 16:02:24 nope Feb 11 16:02:33 they have the little slider bar Feb 11 16:02:42 that reveals/hides the panes Feb 11 16:03:07 it'd be nifty if panes would be translated to scenes when on the phone Feb 11 16:04:18 i assume so Feb 11 16:04:39 hi sugardave Feb 11 16:04:40 venefyxatu: would be awesome Feb 11 16:04:46 BMYERS Feb 11 16:04:56 yup... that guy.. Feb 11 16:05:44 GEEKSQUADKID Feb 11 16:05:53 hmm what's the best javascript equivalent to Object.toJSON() ? Feb 11 16:05:54 sorry.. lol had to Feb 11 16:06:10 sugardave: read your blog posts... Feb 11 16:06:18 out loud? Feb 11 16:06:22 okay... Feb 11 16:06:43 mubarak has stepped down Feb 11 16:06:50 Tibfib: .stringify() ? Feb 11 16:06:57 haeffb: really? nice Feb 11 16:06:58 there we go Feb 11 16:07:09 haeffb: yay Feb 11 16:07:10 sugardave: to be honest i read them on the toilet.. Feb 11 16:07:17 please dont be offended.. Feb 11 16:07:24 hi@ll, anyone here who can help me trying out the sip client? Feb 11 16:07:35 anything worth reading is worth reading on the toilet Feb 11 16:07:45 I'm on the toilet right now Feb 11 16:07:54 Tibfib: amen brother Tibfib Feb 11 16:08:00 well, not really, but as far as you guys know, I could be Feb 11 16:08:25 For all you know I could be on a train. Feb 11 16:08:33 oh wait. I am >.< Feb 11 16:08:42 haeffb: yes, egypt is now "free". completely under military rule and marshall law Feb 11 16:08:43 or pulling a ... nevermind Feb 11 16:09:51 Bmyers: Lol'd Feb 11 16:10:14 now, who steps into the vacuum Feb 11 16:10:25 military Feb 11 16:10:36 but what about the appointed vp? Feb 11 16:10:47 he's looking for a job now too.. Feb 11 16:10:54 huh, fancy that Feb 11 16:10:54 CIA could use him.. Feb 11 16:11:22 CIA could use alot of things lol Feb 11 16:13:08 it is good to see that more ppl werent hurt in egypts revolt Feb 11 16:13:43 it just sucks people were hurt period. Feb 11 16:13:53 as far as I could see it was impressively peaceful from the protester's side Feb 11 16:15:30 asdlfkajsdf Feb 11 16:15:40 anyone fuck with enyo yet Feb 11 16:15:52 anyone used **** a bit and understand it? Feb 11 16:16:50 is it, at this point, just a UI framework Feb 11 16:17:01 or does it fix all my problems like file access Feb 11 16:17:03 and such Feb 11 16:17:11 codeslaw: watch the presentations Feb 11 16:17:14 that's the public info Feb 11 16:17:16 UI framework Feb 11 16:17:18 no. I don't have a company for tax purposes so they don't let me access developer crap even tho I have an account. go figure. Feb 11 16:17:18 where they at? Feb 11 16:17:31 youtube Feb 11 16:17:37 developer.palm.com should have links Feb 11 16:17:44 engadget. Feb 11 16:17:45 enyo is under NDA folks Feb 11 16:17:58 y Feb 11 16:17:59 ep Feb 11 16:18:07 yuppers Feb 11 16:18:14 we need to get this IRC under NDA Feb 11 16:18:15 geeksquadkid: you don't have an SSN? Feb 11 16:18:18 so we can talk about it Feb 11 16:18:26 95% of the people in here are in EA anyway Feb 11 16:18:28 it was proposed before Feb 11 16:18:28 codeslaw: YES we do Feb 11 16:18:39 everyone post Feb 11 16:18:57 bbl Feb 11 16:19:16 haeffb: I do. but I'm 19. and don't understand alot of it. a guy does my taxes I'm spoiled. lol. Feb 11 16:19:17 yes, NDA channel would be great Feb 11 16:19:43 you don't need a company. Just give them your name. Feb 11 16:19:44 as long as their is one I can still talk to you guys non NDA since I'm not :D Feb 11 16:20:12 haeftb: seriously? then shoot I'm gettin on that asap lol Feb 11 16:20:54 maybe need an SSN. Feb 11 16:20:57 geeksquadkid: yeah, that's what I did Feb 11 16:21:06 but if they ask for company name, just give your name again Feb 11 16:21:23 what about website lol. Feb 11 16:21:41 leave it blank? Feb 11 16:22:13 write www.google.de Feb 11 16:22:57 there. everyone post here. http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=10338 Feb 11 16:23:03 if you can't see it.. woops, bad link Feb 11 16:23:04 LOL Feb 11 16:23:15 GET IT TOGETHER Feb 11 16:23:23 geeksquadkid: make blogspot blog or wordpress Feb 11 16:23:38 HP to write the apps for "big-name" partners Feb 11 16:23:53 Tibfib: good idea! why didn't I think of that. Feb 11 16:26:10 sugardave, haeffb, codeslaw: you should post http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=10338 Feb 11 16:26:30 me? I'm switching to iPhone & iPad. Feb 11 16:26:39 why would I post? Feb 11 16:26:49 good point Feb 11 16:27:04 haeffb: what?! Feb 11 16:27:27 your taste for koolaid has improved? Feb 11 16:28:16 mmm koolai... wait Feb 11 16:28:19 NO Feb 11 16:28:25 i won't drink it Feb 11 16:28:40 but yes, i would love a gingerbread cookie thank you Feb 11 16:29:07 cookies? did someone say cookies? Feb 11 16:30:25 Come to the dark side. we has cookies! Feb 11 16:30:26 haeffb, sugardave: good men :) Feb 11 16:30:48 codeslaw: that means you suck Feb 11 16:30:52 :P Feb 11 16:30:53 nah Feb 11 16:31:05 i plan to dev for webos Feb 11 16:31:08 lol! Feb 11 16:31:12 but, i'm not waiting 6 months Feb 11 16:31:18 and doing nothing Feb 11 16:31:25 not nothing...learning Feb 11 16:31:37 learning is FUNdamental Feb 11 16:31:44 i'm gonna port paintr to enyo Feb 11 16:31:45 lol Feb 11 16:32:05 in the meantime, i want to start another x-platform app Feb 11 16:32:09 possibly in adobe air Feb 11 16:32:15 boo Feb 11 16:32:37 no boo Feb 11 16:32:40 yay Feb 11 16:32:45 oh god Feb 11 16:32:48 adobe air is the shiznight Feb 11 16:32:49 not AIR Feb 11 16:32:52 please Feb 11 16:32:58 have you ever built an air app? Feb 11 16:33:05 nope Feb 11 16:33:06 lol Feb 11 16:33:09 it's fantastic Feb 11 16:33:12 * funkatron blinks Feb 11 16:33:24 blah blah blah flash sucks blah blah, MAYBE Feb 11 16:33:25 funkatron: isn't spaz adobe air? Feb 11 16:33:28 yes, it is Feb 11 16:33:31 yeah Feb 11 16:33:32 hahahaha Feb 11 16:33:46 aaand it suck Feb 11 16:33:48 s Feb 11 16:33:54 what sucked? Feb 11 16:34:05 AIR. Feb 11 16:34:08 ... Feb 11 16:34:10 lol Feb 11 16:34:10 developer account registered. yesssss Feb 11 16:34:19 alright, we don't have to debate Feb 11 16:34:20 rwhitby-` you around? Feb 11 16:34:34 and it's all about visual basic motha truckas! Feb 11 16:34:46 hmm Feb 11 16:34:51 4 years with AIR. I have my opinions 8) Feb 11 16:35:40 well so it is Feb 11 16:35:59 i have about 8 years in flash but only 1 year in air Feb 11 16:36:11 geeksquadkid: now you have to send email to pdc@palm.com requesting early access Feb 11 16:36:28 back of the line, kid Feb 11 16:36:30 sweet thanks! Feb 11 16:36:31 funkatron: link to spaz so i can check it out? Feb 11 16:36:59 github.com/funkatron/spaz-desktop-air Feb 11 16:37:05 if you want the code Feb 11 16:37:10 getspaz.com for DLs Feb 11 16:37:51 It's really not like it's horrible Feb 11 16:38:14 so it's written in JS Feb 11 16:38:18 AIR could just be better. and it's not because Adobe chooses to make it not better (at least in the ways I think it should be) Feb 11 16:38:19 yes Feb 11 16:38:31 alright... well i've never written a JS air app Feb 11 16:38:42 like I said. Visual Basic ftw. Feb 11 16:39:00 my lover for AIR is based in my love for AS3, so I can imagine it being less so in JS Feb 11 16:39:48 ah, I prefer open standards and stuff Feb 11 16:39:58 but sure, it's a good option (and the only option) for desktop apps in AS3 Feb 11 16:40:19 indeed Feb 11 16:40:34 yeah i'm all JS/HTML, all the time Feb 11 16:40:49 much of the model code and utility stuff is shared between webOS and Desktop for spaz Feb 11 16:41:02 with this: https://github.com/funkatron/spazcore Feb 11 16:41:11 my full-time job is AS3 dev, so i have to mix it up regularly Feb 11 16:41:15 ya i was looking through spaz core Feb 11 16:41:17 makes sense Feb 11 16:41:19 oh I totally understand that Feb 11 16:41:40 funkatron: did you check out that minified v of spaz I sent? Feb 11 16:41:53 I thought it would help start up time, I don't think it did that much Feb 11 16:41:55 The left side of my phone is coming apart... ugh... the right side is rock solid but I can see like a cm of space between the top and botom half on the left. Feb 11 16:41:59 Tibfib: no I did not. I'm sorry. I should make a build script that minifies stuff Feb 11 16:42:07 Tibfib: was *everything* minified? Feb 11 16:42:12 all the js Feb 11 16:42:32 right Feb 11 16:42:41 separate files or concatentated? Feb 11 16:42:54 same files Feb 11 16:43:06 right Feb 11 16:43:11 I minified all the .js files with more than 100 lines Feb 11 16:43:15 or so Feb 11 16:43:15 right Feb 11 16:43:23 funkatron: just saved over em and packaged Feb 11 16:43:31 I guess we could try a bigtime minify and concatentation, but at this point… Feb 11 16:43:39 putting time into Mojo isn't something I'm excited about Feb 11 16:44:12 yeah :/ Feb 11 16:51:22 who is thinking about or jumping ship Feb 11 16:51:51 that was so 2 days ago Feb 11 16:52:00 i'm just gonna take this raft for a little tour of that cruiseliner about 2 clicks north Feb 11 16:52:03 i'll be back Feb 11 16:52:26 so i guess quickoffice isn't coming to old devices Feb 11 16:53:05 hellman: well. legally or illegally. lol. Feb 11 16:53:46 cause I have it as a doc viewer already.. yeah... Feb 11 16:53:47 picking up that htc phone sprint has tomorrow Feb 11 16:54:45 deuces dude. the 4G one? hope you got it in ur area. my friend picked one up and hates it. no 4G for miles. closest towers a mile away. Feb 11 16:54:52 hour away* Feb 11 16:55:09 hellman: what phone ? why you going to htc phone ? Feb 11 16:55:17 4G is in NY Feb 11 16:55:42 joe_pre: he's jumping ship. Feb 11 16:56:02 oh wow Feb 11 16:56:18 yeah but is it in your area. it's in caifornia. and closest to me is LA, an hour away. Feb 11 16:56:30 hellman: what happens if we do get webos 2x ? Feb 11 16:56:39 california* Feb 11 16:57:35 got class deuces guys Feb 11 16:57:52 what the hell does dueces mean Feb 11 16:58:07 two's in poker? Feb 11 16:58:12 well ya Feb 11 16:58:32 anyone here knows how to install web os on a pc? link: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/245291-running-webos-pc-hardware.html Feb 11 16:59:34 means crap Feb 11 16:59:36 caca Feb 11 16:59:37 sheet Feb 11 16:59:39 codeslaw: worse than that, connor lacombe keeps using "totes" in his twitter posts instead of "totally". it's driving me crazy. of course twitter is evil Feb 11 16:59:45 hellman 4G is in NYC it is not upstate Feb 11 16:59:54 which sucks Feb 11 17:00:00 you go out of the city, no 4G Feb 11 17:00:06 poor apple-knockers Feb 11 17:00:17 * sugardave learned that one at Dev Day. Feb 11 17:00:27 who is connor lacombe Feb 11 17:00:45 codeslaw: that voogle developer that HP talked about at the thinkbeyond event Feb 11 17:00:46 codeslaw: voogle dev Feb 11 17:00:47 sugardave: what is apple knockers ? Feb 11 17:00:50 i am in NYC Feb 11 17:00:51 ah Feb 11 17:00:58 i totes missed that Feb 11 17:01:04 it's in brooklyn and manhattan Feb 11 17:01:04 joe_pre: upstate NYers Feb 11 17:01:12 codeslaw: murder death kill! Feb 11 17:01:12 probably all the buroughs Feb 11 17:01:20 i keed i keed Feb 11 17:01:40 think i'm going to the sprint store during lunch Feb 11 17:01:40 Yep, I knock apples off trees, and make cider Feb 11 17:01:50 mm, maybe I need to forment the cider this year Feb 11 17:01:53 oooo Feb 11 17:02:07 evo or epic? Feb 11 17:02:15 oh you said htc Feb 11 17:02:27 epic is still at 2.1.... .... .... flagship fail Feb 11 17:02:29 like the htc swift or epic Feb 11 17:02:34 yep Feb 11 17:02:39 CTLAdvance: it's not real cider if not fermented, silly Feb 11 17:02:57 don't reqally care abotu android 2.2 2,3 or whatever. as logn as the phone does what i want Feb 11 17:03:19 yep Feb 11 17:03:30 but 2.1 wont, 2.1 is almost good, but still really bad Feb 11 17:03:33 so you should care Feb 11 17:03:35 CTLAdvance: also google apfelwein.. tasty stuff Feb 11 17:03:48 hellman: I just dumped my android for a pre + Feb 11 17:04:11 * CTLAdvance bings it Feb 11 17:04:14 ah apple wine Feb 11 17:04:14 webos > android Feb 11 17:04:17 destinal-work: German? Feb 11 17:04:24 I don't see why Feb 11 17:04:41 what motivated you to do such a thing? Feb 11 17:04:56 the OS kicks major ass Feb 11 17:05:05 You really think so Feb 11 17:05:08 I do Feb 11 17:05:11 2 years on the market Feb 11 17:05:18 I disagree Feb 11 17:05:19 MetaView: the style is, yeah. it's become popular with homebrewers lately (the beer kind) :) takes more time than beer to mature but really easy to brew up Feb 11 17:05:21 and? Feb 11 17:05:44 <-- apple-knocker Feb 11 17:05:50 been nothing but waiting for things to happen now things aint happening Feb 11 17:05:55 so newer/younger OS === better? I;m afraid I don't understand your logic Feb 11 17:05:56 hellman: are you just here to complain? Feb 11 17:05:58 destinal-work: just wonder you used the German word... Feb 11 17:06:13 no Feb 11 17:06:29 so why becasue webOS has been out 2 years it is not the best? Feb 11 17:06:30 hellman: multitasking on webos is the best ever I wan on android for a year Feb 11 17:06:41 oh, your an app counter Feb 11 17:06:42 I see Feb 11 17:06:47 you're* Feb 11 17:06:52 WebOS 1.4.5 isn't 2 years old Feb 11 17:06:52 I don't count apps Feb 11 17:06:53 my dad got an iPhone a few weeks ago. He didn't know he could "multi-task" until I showed him Feb 11 17:07:02 the fact is I don't have many useful apps Feb 11 17:07:03 late Feb 11 17:07:05 I doubt he's ever used it Feb 11 17:07:09 MetaView: I'm not, but the german word is more commonly used in a particular popular recipe Feb 11 17:07:14 so better to google Feb 11 17:07:15 ok Feb 11 17:07:30 hellman: try earworm on your pre Feb 11 17:07:41 What did Webos 1.4.5 bring exactly that was so ground breaking? video recording? Feb 11 17:08:14 yes Feb 11 17:08:21 for instance Feb 11 17:08:37 what brought android 2.2 ground breaking? Feb 11 17:08:53 i don't know but all i know is that there are tons of useful apps Feb 11 17:09:01 hm, is there any way to know when a TextField is tapped for editing and stops being edited? Feb 11 17:09:07 web apps as native apps...pretty differentiating from all the others Feb 11 17:09:11 plenty office suites Feb 11 17:09:13 hellman: I thought you weren't an app counter Feb 11 17:09:14 ? Feb 11 17:09:20 android has the absolutely highest percentage of garbage apps of any platform Feb 11 17:09:38 as in serious, "why would you think people want this" garbage Feb 11 17:09:43 and the Pre has no garbage apps? Feb 11 17:09:50 of course it does Feb 11 17:09:55 i'm taling percentages here Feb 11 17:09:57 talking* Feb 11 17:10:21 the useful app I actually found on pre was facebook and tweed Feb 11 17:10:40 hellman: still waiting for that "not only here to complain" stuff Feb 11 17:10:45 there are no banking apps Feb 11 17:10:45 11:05 < hellman> I don't count apps Feb 11 17:10:53 lulz Feb 11 17:10:59 no word processors Feb 11 17:11:07 scratch Feb 11 17:11:12 (kinda) Feb 11 17:11:15 its decent Feb 11 17:11:26 who the hell wants to wordprocess on their phone Feb 11 17:11:56 many do I am sure Feb 11 17:12:07 sometimes i need to make a quick edit Feb 11 17:12:29 change something in a spreadsheet Feb 11 17:12:31 there are editors Feb 11 17:12:33 comes in handy Feb 11 17:12:47 you can use docs2go in classic... Feb 11 17:13:32 not sure what that is Feb 11 17:13:37 The fact of the matter is that Android has more big names associated with it, and anything you want you can get for the most part. Maybe less than apple, but way more than webOS Feb 11 17:13:50 hopefully this summer that will change Feb 11 17:14:05 CTLAdvance, I said the same thing two years ago Feb 11 17:14:12 fine, we can agree that there is a dearth of apps on webOS, but that doesn't change the fact that I feel it is the superior OS Feb 11 17:14:34 The UI on webOS is superior, cards Feb 11 17:14:43 I don't understand how the platform failed so hard in getting apps Feb 11 17:14:48 thats about it, unless your one of the few % of people who care to access linux Feb 11 17:15:07 hellman === renegaid === rolsworth, time to update the list Feb 11 17:15:07 and lets not even get started on patching functionality that should be there Feb 11 17:15:13 anyways Feb 11 17:15:21 sugardave, ? Feb 11 17:15:38 I am here because of webOS UI... not so much for apps Feb 11 17:15:58 cool Feb 11 17:16:01 I am able to work using the browser, and email Feb 11 17:17:10 hellman, now that HP has the capital to run webOS properly, it should pickup this year into next Feb 11 17:17:33 no sense arguing about android vs webOS with fanboys liek sugardave Feb 11 17:17:40 :) Feb 11 17:17:41 I wonder if Sprint will even get a phone and it's not even 4G Feb 11 17:17:43 :P Feb 11 17:17:50 plus I have never seen android Feb 11 17:17:54 I can't imagine paying 10.00 extra for no 4G Feb 11 17:18:00 CTLAdvance: webos will be huge "in the coming years" Feb 11 17:18:05 hahaha Feb 11 17:18:06 if they didn't have that fee I wouldn't mind sticking with 3G Feb 11 17:18:07 sugardave: have you posted that list to webos101? Feb 11 17:18:09 destinal.. that was epic Feb 11 17:18:36 Tibfib: no, because I can't prove the new one, I know for a fact that renegaid === rolsworth Feb 11 17:18:44 I don't understand why Sprint added that fee Feb 11 17:18:59 sugardave: hah really? I thought they were just == Feb 11 17:19:15 === for sure Feb 11 17:19:17 sugardave - are these people with multiple aliases Feb 11 17:19:23 yes Feb 11 17:19:27 lol Feb 11 17:19:45 what loosers Feb 11 17:20:07 thoug seriously HP is investing resources and getting companies to sign on that never would have before. the kindle and citrix things are exciting Feb 11 17:20:57 chuqui! you should have someone approve Koto Player! Feb 11 17:21:05 destinal, how does that help the early adopters ? Feb 11 17:21:17 the thing is, we now have a slew of awesome options Feb 11 17:21:26 WebOS, IOS, android, and WP7 Feb 11 17:21:31 RIP MEEgo Feb 11 17:21:51 it must be tough to be a nokia fanboy today Feb 11 17:22:01 I wouldn't mind trying out WP7 but Sprint has none Feb 11 17:22:02 CTLAdvance: the oss project will continue but without muich in the way of resources from nokia, I wonder.. Feb 11 17:22:16 WP7 doesnt even have a public cdma stack right now Feb 11 17:23:20 nothing helps early adopters...there is no time machine to use and go back to make sure there are 100K apps in the catalog before the Pre - launch Feb 11 17:23:40 Tibfib: yell at @adora about that... if you yell at me, all I can do is yell at her by proxy Feb 11 17:24:20 chuqui: alrighty. I'll see if she pops in here sometime soon.. if not I'll bother her on twitter Feb 11 17:25:15 * sugardave wonders what oil is doing. Feb 11 17:25:16 hellman: well, HP is talking about a "path" and "making it right" .. but more practically I think the homebrew community will make 2.0 on pre/pre+ work Feb 11 17:26:23 any hope for the pixi ? Feb 11 17:26:27 unless of course HP starts doing even trades for pre to pre2, in that case by all means do that Feb 11 17:26:36 bbl Feb 11 17:26:50 I was more interested in a new device. Feb 11 17:27:09 I can understand why they left the Pre behind Feb 11 17:27:12 hellman: oh, you mean sprint? hmmm Feb 11 17:27:39 I like Webos. I like the email and calendar Feb 11 17:27:45 sprint is a problem Feb 11 17:27:46 bitches Feb 11 17:28:09 wouldn't mind sticking with it but i can't stand the Pre any longer Feb 11 17:28:44 sugardave: u got a case of the mondays? :( Feb 11 17:28:53 phone carriers should be commodity networks like internet service providers by now, but of course they've been fighting against that and trying to prevent you from just taking your device and connecting it to any network Feb 11 17:28:58 still fighting off the nictoine blues, I think Feb 11 17:29:10 quit? Feb 11 17:29:14 yessir Feb 11 17:29:17 15 days Feb 11 17:29:21 cold turkey Feb 11 17:29:24 i didnt see you as a quitter.. Feb 11 17:29:29 haha Feb 11 17:29:54 you've stuck with webos so long, i thought you just liked to punish yourself. Feb 11 17:29:59 heh Feb 11 17:30:19 i thought sprint was going to announcer something exciting at their conference. Feb 11 17:30:21 it's all going to be worth it when I "master" enyo Feb 11 17:30:44 i thought enyo was scrapped? webos 3.0 for tablets? Feb 11 17:31:19 Bmyers: not scrapped, it's what everything's going to be written for as opposed to mojo Feb 11 17:31:21 eventually Feb 11 17:31:22 you've been misinformed :P Feb 11 17:31:44 cant believe everything you read on the internets i guess Feb 11 17:32:27 Bmyers MOJO is being scrapped. Mojo apps will run on the tablet in a jail similar to classic running on the pre Feb 11 17:32:39 but the tablet, and eventually teh phones will be all enyo. Feb 11 17:32:45 and EVENTUALLY mojo goes away Feb 11 17:32:49 he knows ;) Feb 11 17:32:56 ok Feb 11 17:33:28 the big question is WHEN does Mojo go away? Feb 11 17:33:46 that's the day we should have the Mojo faithful gather together and have a symbolic burial Feb 11 17:33:46 Pre4 would be my guess Feb 11 17:34:09 I think Palm should plan it, too Feb 11 17:34:15 HPalm Feb 11 17:34:26 viking burial type bonfire would be fun Feb 11 17:34:52 i think i have a spare boat around for that Feb 11 18:03:01 hello from barcelona, where the time in my head is five quarters past 27 Feb 11 18:04:29 mattsmcnulty, hello from BFE, where the time is Lunch Feb 11 18:05:17 hi mattsmcnulty Feb 11 18:05:42 hola Feb 11 18:08:44 can some Ares person explain to me how this.$ relates in Mojo, generally speaking Feb 11 18:13:40 this.$ is the collection of components in whatever kind you are in. nothing to do with mojo. in the kind definition, or in ares the chrome definition, all of the immediate children are in the $ collection Feb 11 18:16:12 I see, so if I were using the scene metaphor, then this.$ would be all the dom elements + js objects defined in that scene? Feb 11 18:17:30 but in a kind, it's all the children/properties in the kind? Feb 11 18:25:30 not all of the children, just that kind's components, as listed right there in that same file Feb 11 18:25:39 it is the scope of the kind Feb 11 18:25:47 OMFG mattsmcnulty is in das haus Feb 11 18:26:06 mattsmcnulty: ah, kick ass Feb 11 18:26:07 you could do this.$.mychildcomponent.$.someproperty but then we would have to kill you as you would be breaking encapsulation Feb 11 18:26:15 heh Feb 11 18:26:27 muah ha ha Feb 11 18:26:37 I have question for mattsmcnulty sir Feb 11 18:26:44 mattsmcnulty is actually in das barcelona hotel Feb 11 18:26:55 HELLO FROM SPAINISH Feb 11 18:27:03 it's about 6:30 in Spain? Feb 11 18:27:12 ok, though I frankly fear about 10 different things you personally could ask me Feb 11 18:27:39 actually I posted this in forum, but I was having an issue with the paged virtuallist Feb 11 18:27:46 it is 7:26pm Feb 11 18:28:04 maybe I should just let you answer it there at your leisure Feb 11 18:28:11 * sugardave should have used RealTime. Feb 11 18:28:23 virtuallist is one of the things most likely to keep evolving as we've been changing it a lot as hw acceleration came online Feb 11 18:28:29 I'll direct the guys to the forum on that one Feb 11 18:28:29 right Feb 11 18:28:33 thanks homie Feb 11 18:29:01 I may just use a repeater, but for the mini app I'm making, the paged virtuallist example was really close Feb 11 18:29:10 so I just stole it. Feb 11 18:29:13 learning is for wimps Feb 11 18:30:05 more importantly: WILL ENYO RUN ON SYMBIAN Feb 11 18:30:23 or the PS3 browser? Feb 11 18:30:28 yes Feb 11 18:30:30 we need to know Feb 11 18:30:59 symbian? what's that? I thought they call it windows phone 7 now Feb 11 18:31:09 I heard they were going to port it to IE6 Feb 11 18:31:10 good q Feb 11 18:31:25 * funkatron crosses Meego off the list Feb 11 18:31:39 as did most of nokia engineering today Feb 11 18:31:49 netflix's html5 app runs in some kind of browser on ps3 Feb 11 18:32:26 I'm a little concerned about Qt after that deal.. Feb 11 18:32:26 no doubt. a real bummer Feb 11 18:32:31 yeah I would be too Feb 11 18:32:47 QT is a good product but nokia had a ton invested in it with the symbian platform Feb 11 18:33:11 with that gone, it lost a major commercial platform Feb 11 18:34:05 it's hard to imagine them adding WP7 support to it; MS has great tooling already Feb 11 18:34:37 so, uh, maybe Canonical can buy it? *shrug* Feb 11 18:34:55 I just feel bad for the nokia engineers Feb 11 18:35:00 oh yeah Feb 11 18:35:02 they're screwed Feb 11 18:35:21 if any of them are on here, know js, or webkit, operators are standing by Feb 11 18:35:30 anyone in software over there is fucked Feb 11 18:35:43 funkatron: scott can reproduce your bug, but only in safari interestingly Feb 11 18:35:47 he thinks Feb 11 18:35:54 hmmmmmm Feb 11 18:36:21 I *thought* I was seeing it on 2.0.1 device too Feb 11 18:36:31 lemme try it again Feb 11 18:36:43 he's still poking around Feb 11 18:37:34 * sugardave "gets" to go to the ballet tonight. Feb 11 18:37:41 yeah, same thing on device. no data appears on second search until I drag on the list Feb 11 18:37:50 but I'll let you guys fool with it Feb 11 18:39:02 sugardave: lucky! Feb 11 18:39:10 mattsmcnulty! Feb 11 18:39:30 Tibfib! Feb 11 18:39:37 ooh ballet Feb 11 18:39:42 howdy! ____ is very nice :) Feb 11 18:39:48 thanks Feb 11 18:39:53 I saw Black Swan. those ballerinas are *dirty* Feb 11 18:40:11 was nice to log on and see the comments - I just got to bcn so I was unable to see any reaction until about an hour ago Feb 11 18:40:17 this one is about some forest nymph trying to snatch some hapless lad, no doubt Feb 11 18:40:33 mattsmcnulty: we're hoping hp/palm can set up an early access irc channel Feb 11 18:40:38 that would be dope Feb 11 18:40:41 yes Feb 11 18:40:42 and git repos Feb 11 18:40:46 and a unicorn Feb 11 18:40:47 oooo Feb 11 18:40:48 and rainbows Feb 11 18:41:03 we'll get it out wider as soon as we can Feb 11 18:41:10 generally makes sense to ramp these things Feb 11 18:41:24 nah, you should go from 50 people to 100,000 Feb 11 18:42:04 totally works Feb 11 18:42:50 lol Feb 11 18:43:08 I need to get a bite. ttyl folks Feb 11 18:43:16 funkatron... not rainbows... double rainbows Feb 11 18:43:18 cya Feb 11 18:43:20 one diet coke and no red bull in the mini bar. what the hell Feb 11 18:43:28 spain sucks Feb 11 18:43:30 bbl Feb 11 18:46:27 mattsmcnulty: that is bullshit Feb 11 18:46:47 I bet they don't even have Dr. Pepper in the whole damned country! Feb 11 18:48:01 probably not but that doesn't bother me Feb 11 18:52:39 maybe there is weird spanish tv on Feb 11 18:55:29 omg, there does appear to be a CSI spain Feb 11 18:55:55 no, it is some csi ripoff dubbed Feb 11 18:56:05 hilariously, actually Feb 11 18:57:37 subtitled (spanish subtitles) new star trek movie. score Feb 11 18:58:32 sounds like someone is enjoying Barcelona Feb 11 18:58:55 oh, I walked around for a while, now trying to stay awake until the city wakes up again in a couple hours Feb 11 19:01:11 mattsmcnulty: you made engadget! http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/webos-enyo-framework-free-to-developers-today-brings-pixel-dens/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter :) Feb 11 19:01:23 yup Feb 11 19:01:43 evening Feb 11 19:02:49 evening its 11:00 in the morning (sarcasm) Feb 11 19:03:22 is webos the last hope for (somewhat) open-source mobile platform? Feb 11 19:03:55 gour: No I dont believe so. Eventually it will catch on. Feb 11 19:04:38 my hotel room is cool. it even has this little low drinking fountain right next to the toilet Feb 11 19:04:42 (I kid) Feb 11 19:04:45 hahaha Feb 11 19:05:21 Lol'd Feb 11 19:05:53 lol Feb 11 19:07:08 besides mojo (js), in which language(s) can one develop for webos? Feb 11 19:07:16 C Feb 11 19:07:46 C, C++ and another besides js I believe Feb 11 19:08:00 what about D? Feb 11 19:08:05 the fdk uses fortran Feb 11 19:09:47 "Applications for webOS are written in JavaScript, HTML and some other common Web technologies, which are handled by WebKit, as well as C and C++." Feb 11 19:09:55 aww. http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=10338&start=25 Feb 11 19:10:30 hmm Feb 11 19:10:44 does SDK run under freebsd? Feb 11 19:14:30 maybe? Feb 11 19:14:51 emulator needs x86, isn't freebsd powerpc? Feb 11 19:14:52 virtualbox 3-something Feb 11 19:15:05 oh really? Feb 11 19:15:09 I did not know that Feb 11 19:15:09 or is freebsd x86 too Feb 11 19:15:23 I used to know it Feb 11 19:15:38 i've found something - http://sysfault.org/dokuwiki/docs:webos Feb 11 19:16:23 pretty sure you can run BSD on almost anything now, like linux...at least cpu wise Feb 11 19:17:33 commodore 64? Feb 11 19:18:06 mattsmcnulty !!!! The more I look at the enyo download, the more I like it. Good job! Feb 11 19:18:14 thanks Feb 11 19:18:16 not sure...but debian has taken it on board, so I'm sure it'll get ported all over the place if it's not Feb 11 19:18:24 is there an "enyo ares" in the works? Feb 11 19:18:29 yes Feb 11 19:18:34 good Feb 11 19:19:00 due out some season of random choosing Feb 11 19:19:01 See See!! He -does- answer questions sometimes! Feb 11 19:19:11 I said that one on stage already Feb 11 19:19:13 gour: for hybrid apps you can run native code written in whatever language you want Feb 11 19:19:16 JUST NOT VERY WELL.... Feb 11 19:19:29 rimshot.wav Feb 11 19:21:01 destinal: well, i was hoping to write 'desktop-lite' app for meego using Qt(D)..but now we're not so sure about it Feb 11 19:21:32 destinal: what gui widgets are used then? Feb 11 19:22:35 gour: GUI's are done in javascript/html5/css typically but in hybrid apps can be pure SDL / opengl-es or a mix between the two Feb 11 19:22:47 gour: though the new webos 2.0 is actually built on Qt Feb 11 19:22:56 no apps use it directly at this point in 2.0 though Feb 11 19:23:09 sysmgr uses qt for cards and launcher Feb 11 19:23:10 I think UI's will still be web, SDL, or mix Feb 11 19:23:15 hybrid apps can mix.match Feb 11 19:23:25 mattsmcnulty: oh really? nice Feb 11 19:23:25 kindle and quickoffice demoed yesterday are hybrids Feb 11 19:23:53 interesting...what about webos-3? Feb 11 19:24:23 no difference Feb 11 19:26:24 thanks Feb 11 19:26:43 mattsmcnulty: what I had been wondering is how much Qt can be done directly in native apps, haven't heard anything about it yet. yeah, LunaSysMgr uses Qt to render / draw things but can a native app do that as well or is it still web and/or SDL in hybrids Feb 11 19:26:56 it's time to take a closer look at webos...it might evolve into something Feb 11 19:27:46 no, qt is not available in the pdk Feb 11 19:30:50 it is a glorious 75 degrees today with no wind and the sun shining. time for some unsafe driving! Feb 11 19:35:52 * halfhalo loads up a little less conversation on his car playhlist Feb 11 19:37:35 wircing while driving halfhalo? Feb 11 19:39:11 bah Feb 11 19:42:22 Tibfib: Koto got released? Feb 11 19:42:30 yeap! Feb 11 19:42:38 http://kotoplayer.com Feb 11 19:43:22 I can't update mine :P Feb 11 19:43:43 gotta pay sucka! Feb 11 19:43:47 hahaha Feb 11 19:43:50 lol Feb 11 19:44:01 sugardave: the preware feed will pretty stay up to date Feb 11 19:44:06 pretty much* Feb 11 19:44:23 bbiab Feb 11 19:47:26 * sugardave feels dumb. "Things are not clicking yet." Feb 11 19:50:35 whew funkatron is back Feb 11 19:50:59 everyone calm the fuck down Feb 11 19:51:00 I got this Feb 11 19:51:15 so funny funkatron story. When I was working at a prior gig and was in the dev program, I figured out pretty quickly that you could figure out who all was in the early access program because everyone's usernames were their corporate email addresses Feb 11 19:51:28 so I went through and figured em all out Feb 11 19:51:32 haha, right Feb 11 19:51:36 and we all thought funkatron was the best name eve Feb 11 19:51:37 r Feb 11 19:51:40 yay! Feb 11 19:51:41 thanks! Feb 11 19:52:05 it was more like "what the f--k is funkatron, but damn that's a cool name" Feb 11 19:52:13 haha Feb 11 19:52:16 I try Feb 11 19:54:41 cool: https://github.com/creationix/adventure Feb 11 19:55:17 I wonder if there are some open source text adventures I can repackage for a quick buck Feb 11 19:55:34 silly hippies and their hybrids taking up mah roads Feb 11 19:55:43 there are LOTS of them funkatron Feb 11 19:55:48 lots and lots and lots Feb 11 19:56:08 all your touchstone base are belong to us Feb 11 19:57:21 speaking of touchstone, the one for the touchpad is freakin' sexy as hell Feb 11 19:57:29 * halfhalo goes to find daytime court tv to watch Feb 11 19:57:40 first time I saw it was yesterday Feb 11 19:57:40 actually I should find an implementation of Dope Wars Feb 11 19:58:19 funkatron: I still have that on palm OS :) Feb 11 19:58:34 it was all about warfare incorporated on palmos Feb 11 19:58:38 didn't somebody already put that out for webOS? Feb 11 19:58:39 rts ftw Feb 11 19:59:11 I remember sitting in class with friends and screaming, "oh crap, the price of heroin just shot up!" Feb 11 19:59:16 haha Feb 11 19:59:20 * halfhalo did that once Feb 11 19:59:32 DopeWars ftw! Feb 11 20:00:24 oh, we could play PalmOS Dope Wars on webOS… BUT NOT ON 2.0 Feb 11 20:00:28 Score! Vanilla Ice Project! Feb 11 20:00:37 "uhh, we lost the disks" Feb 11 20:01:20 first you want 2.0 and cant get it, then you dont want it because it doesn't have classic. make up your minds! Feb 11 20:01:24 (just kidding) Feb 11 20:01:55 just dual-boot your phone Feb 11 20:02:12 "lemme boot into DR DOS so I can run Wing Commander" Feb 11 20:02:13 just carry multiple phones Feb 11 20:02:40 * halfhalo only has one phone pocket usually Feb 11 20:02:56 I have an iPhone 4 in my other pocket that I basically use once a week now Feb 11 20:02:58 no sim in it Feb 11 20:03:05 I was carrying a min 2 for a while, now just a veer Feb 11 20:03:41 OH AREN'T WE SPECIAL Feb 11 20:03:49 you are, yes Feb 11 20:03:52 will Touch-to-Share be open to devs? Feb 11 20:03:54 oh aren't we bitter Feb 11 20:03:56 hahah Feb 11 20:03:58 :-P Feb 11 20:04:11 I would like my cake and also the eating of it Feb 11 20:04:16 http://www.translationparty.com/#8716265 Feb 11 20:04:38 does the sprint website give anyone else an error when trying to buy a phone Feb 11 20:05:22 I hate sprints site Feb 11 20:05:37 nobody steal this idea. but I need to make a translation party for webOS Feb 11 20:05:40 this is a slam-dunk Feb 11 20:05:44 stolen! Feb 11 20:05:47 fuck Feb 11 20:06:10 THIS REQUIRES THE TABLET Feb 11 20:06:17 WOOOOOOO Feb 11 20:06:39 funkatron: Exhibition idea! Grab sentences from user's email, run them through translation party and display! Feb 11 20:06:48 oh that's a damn good idea too Feb 11 20:07:04 maybe HP/Palm's internal team will make it for me and give it to me Feb 11 20:07:07 I'm a pretty big deal Feb 11 20:07:15 keep thinking that Feb 11 20:07:19 like Katzenberg big Feb 11 20:07:23 heh Feb 11 20:07:30 "this is more important than netflix!" Feb 11 20:07:33 http://www.translationparty.com/#8716319 Feb 11 20:07:42 sorry, it says you wont be published Feb 11 20:07:48 shit. Feb 11 20:07:54 lol Feb 11 20:07:56 its like an oracle Feb 11 20:08:00 I tried like ten things Feb 11 20:08:48 mattsmcnulty: how's spain? Feb 11 20:09:14 like Mexico, but further away Feb 11 20:09:16 dark and a little chilly and I can't understand the accent compared to CA/latin american spanish so far Feb 11 20:10:41 allo creationix Feb 11 20:10:50 did someone mention adventure? Feb 11 20:11:11 It's a trap! Feb 11 20:11:58 yep Feb 11 20:12:15 funkatron: how's is going Feb 11 20:12:15 is it based on the text adv game? Feb 11 20:12:24 I'm breaking NDAs left and right Feb 11 20:12:55 I mentioned adventure :D Feb 11 20:13:02 sounds fun Feb 11 20:13:09 creationix: is it hosted somewhere? I dont want to set it up Feb 11 20:13:17 no, sorry Feb 11 20:13:25 :( Feb 11 20:18:04 dohtem: it's not hard to set yp Feb 11 20:18:12 I can throw up one if you want to play with it Feb 11 20:18:45 sure Feb 11 20:21:40 dohtem: I think it's here http://creationix.com:1234/ Feb 11 20:21:52 I can't see the port from my office firewall, but it should be up Feb 11 20:22:36 :) I see my logs moving... Feb 11 20:22:41 must be working Feb 11 20:22:52 cant connect Feb 11 20:24:17 I'm on it :) Feb 11 20:24:19 now I'm off Feb 11 20:25:09 bah, work's calling. bbl. Feb 11 20:26:49 it is working Feb 11 20:27:26 oh it was Feb 11 20:29:01 I put in some rocks Feb 11 20:29:57 hey destinal Feb 11 20:31:04 ok, I'm back, had some connection issues Feb 11 20:31:18 * halfhalo blames hp Feb 11 20:32:04 lol Feb 11 20:36:18 thoughts on enyo: bracket hell Feb 11 20:36:23 but, i like the paradigm Feb 11 20:36:28 its a lot like Flex Feb 11 20:36:39 nda much? Feb 11 20:36:44 FUCK Feb 11 20:36:56 nah i'm fine Feb 11 20:37:05 everything i said describes a slide they showed Feb 11 20:37:06 * oil wonders if sugardave is ready to teach him enyo Feb 11 20:37:14 which is on youtube Feb 11 20:37:25 * Tibfib wants in on session with sugardave Feb 11 20:37:29 yes, you can see the bracket hell on youtube :) Feb 11 20:38:13 codeslaw: as long as you indent well you'll be fine Feb 11 20:38:23 i'm a stickler about it Feb 11 20:40:25 you guys must be joking Feb 11 20:40:36 if you're relying on me, you're fucked Feb 11 20:41:21 ha Feb 11 20:41:30 lol Feb 11 20:41:49 * Tibfib wonders if we could get mattsmcnulty to do a q&a thing :) Feb 11 20:42:06 isnt that what I always do here> Feb 11 20:42:18 nda.. Feb 11 20:42:44 ah, yeah, can't really talk about what I didn't say weds - the forums have our attention though, more and more Feb 11 20:43:25 I just meant q&a on how things work Feb 11 20:43:44 not secret stuff :) Feb 11 20:44:07 technically early access is nda Feb 11 20:46:24 * Tibfib hasn't said anything.. Feb 11 20:46:42 err, how do i start this.. all it's got is index.html Feb 11 20:46:49 lol Feb 11 20:47:00 woops forgot about the sugardave teaching session. Feb 11 20:47:05 nyceane: nda yo Feb 11 20:47:34 hmm, nda on what? Feb 11 20:47:42 i m talking about mojo example Feb 11 20:47:45 ;P Feb 11 20:47:57 then package that baby up :) Feb 11 20:49:49 it's all about mojo Feb 11 20:53:51 all right - going to go check out this town. catch you all later on. Feb 11 20:54:00 have fun Feb 11 20:54:01 have fun Feb 11 20:54:04 ... Feb 11 20:54:05 jinx! Feb 11 20:54:07 thanks Feb 11 20:54:09 night Feb 11 20:55:32 can't wait till Enyo!!! Feb 11 20:55:33 asdjf aopfjsa p Feb 11 20:55:34 omg!! Feb 11 20:56:43 I just watched the videos Feb 11 20:56:45 they look awesome! Feb 11 20:59:03 :) Feb 11 20:59:12 does webos support third party UI themes? Feb 11 20:59:12 other than launcher ones that is Feb 11 20:59:38 no Feb 11 20:59:55 * creationix now works for mcnulty on the enyo team and it's awesome fun Feb 11 21:00:05 erg, I want to see the generated source.... Feb 11 21:00:13 update node NOW! :p Feb 11 21:00:47 well, does it need to be rooted in order to do anything meaningful on it? Feb 11 21:01:11 no? Feb 11 21:01:12 heh... rooting.. heheh Feb 11 21:01:14 joppu: there is no need to "root" Feb 11 21:01:20 devmode is plenty powerful Feb 11 21:01:56 well I kinda get the idea that the whole OS is a walled garden, is that correct? Feb 11 21:02:02 no Feb 11 21:02:14 it's walled garden in non-dev mode like any consumer device Feb 11 21:02:21 but once in dev mode you can do *anything* Feb 11 21:02:30 yeah. listen to creationix :) Feb 11 21:03:08 I was looking for an alternative platform since the nokia announcement :P Feb 11 21:03:08 some things are just easier to hack on than others Feb 11 21:03:15 most the system is implemented in js Feb 11 21:03:27 so simply changing the source on the device and rebooting is all it takes Feb 11 21:03:37 sometimes don't even need to reboot Feb 11 21:03:42 joppu this is a great platform, imo Feb 11 21:04:03 joppu: same here... and webOS seems promising. I think there's going to be quite a migration once the meego people get to know the webOS a bit better :) Feb 11 21:04:14 please spread the word Feb 11 21:04:19 the more the merrier Feb 11 21:04:55 I for one didn't even know webOS is as open as it is. I thought it was the same as iOS and Android. You guys don't make enough noise about it ;) Feb 11 21:04:57 I joined HP because I want WebOS to succeed. I'm a web developer by background Feb 11 21:06:38 still, such a shame for no 3rd party theme support, I could have done wonders :) Feb 11 21:06:43 hi, I'm a maemo/meego user, but since this morning I consider that HP has just taken the lead as far as open mobile devices go. so, what about that WebOS thing? how's the command line? Feb 11 21:07:00 uhsf: it's a standard root prompt in linux Feb 11 21:07:04 ah, I'm an idiot Feb 11 21:07:07 yupyup Feb 11 21:07:45 I can already see quite a bit of migration to here :D Feb 11 21:07:50 creationix: it's a pretty standard shell experience. most users never see it though Feb 11 21:08:04 err... I mean uhsf Feb 11 21:08:27 yeah, clearly for security reasons it's not visible to normal users Feb 11 21:08:30 I'm only disappointed in the USB port being 2.0 and not 3.0 on the TouchPad, and the res is kinda low, otherwise I would be really impressed, as long as it's below 400$ Feb 11 21:08:36 but developers have access to everything Feb 11 21:08:49 uhsf: I doubt it'll be that cheap Feb 11 21:09:17 seriously, a 1024x768 device can't be more than 400$ Feb 11 21:09:25 I see some talk about HP/Palm treating devs badly - not being good on promises and such... any comments? Of course you can't treat them worse than Nokia has today ;) Feb 11 21:09:25 Tibfib: how much are you willing to shell out? Feb 11 21:09:52 500-800 Feb 11 21:09:58 more if Koto sells well Feb 11 21:10:02 heh Feb 11 21:10:13 which isn't going to happen since normal users aren't getting 2.0! Feb 11 21:10:24 not yet Feb 11 21:10:29 so they say Feb 11 21:10:36 we will Feb 11 21:10:39 * halfhalo is going to shell out however much it is plus a pre3 Feb 11 21:10:39 there's a "plan" Feb 11 21:10:46 HP has a plan for you Feb 11 21:11:11 hah, $00. Feb 11 21:11:14 err $400 Feb 11 21:11:21 seriously, it's going to be much smoother from here on out, the merger slowed some things down, but that's done now Feb 11 21:11:22 ooo, I like $00 Feb 11 21:11:28 me too Feb 11 21:11:33 HP really wants webos to do well and they have the power to do it Feb 11 21:12:04 yup. they're gonna push it hard Feb 11 21:12:09 yeah, what halfhalo said Feb 11 21:12:21 push it. Feb 11 21:12:21 I'll be getting a touchpad no matter what pretty much Feb 11 21:12:23 and pre3 Feb 11 21:12:33 if it has the top 200 android and ios apps available at launch it'll roll over the ipad Feb 11 21:12:52 or at least get in a 3way pitched battle Feb 11 21:13:19 anybody know how long its taking to get in early access program now? Feb 11 21:13:41 it takes as as long as it takes for chuq to get you in Feb 11 21:13:59 translation: no clue Feb 11 21:14:18 boo Feb 11 21:15:08 morning Feb 11 21:15:47 tlynch: I imagine pretty quick unless he went to mwc with matt Feb 11 21:16:19 i registered on wednesday and havent heard anything yet Feb 11 21:16:32 i'm sure a ton of people registered wednesday also Feb 11 21:16:35 yeah Feb 11 21:16:40 he'll get to you Feb 11 21:16:45 just will take a while Feb 11 21:16:51 since there are so many Feb 11 21:16:51 so i was just wondering if anybody knew what the backlog looked like Feb 11 21:18:31 Tibfib: you Feb 11 21:18:46 me? Feb 11 21:18:48 any guess what could bethe price for pre3 & ver? Feb 11 21:18:50 *veer Feb 11 21:19:03 Tibfib: you were looking for me last night? Feb 11 21:19:09 $1 Feb 11 21:19:13 lol Feb 11 21:19:14 gour: unsubsidised, $600 Feb 11 21:19:24 holy crap Feb 11 21:19:28 that's pricy Feb 11 21:19:30 so, in the range of n900 Feb 11 21:19:35 not for unsubsidized.. Feb 11 21:19:40 sugardave: I'm talking the UK version. Feb 11 21:19:41 $300 subsidised phone? Feb 11 21:19:53 I'm sure not Feb 11 21:20:04 subsidised? it will depend on how much you bend over for your carriers. Feb 11 21:20:05 $200 subsidized Feb 11 21:20:09 I'm hoping $200 on sprint Feb 11 21:20:11 rwhitby: is that the "world phone" version or something? Feb 11 21:20:31 i did not have any palm device in my hand since old palm pilo which lasted for many years...what is the hardware quality of pre2? Feb 11 21:20:35 sugardave: that's what the Pre2 costs unlocked in the UK. Pre3 will be no different. Feb 11 21:20:35 rwhitby: I was going to ask about putting koto in your feed, but I'm going to wait until koto is in the catalog for a little bit Feb 11 21:20:39 gour: pretty nice Feb 11 21:20:40 ah Feb 11 21:21:01 rwhitby: it's a screwed up market but there's no discount in hooking up a non subsidised phone on sprint Feb 11 21:21:13 Tibfib: better than that korean-based company producing android phones? Feb 11 21:21:17 what's koto? Feb 11 21:21:26 creationix: my music player Feb 11 21:21:38 gour: haven't played much with latest android phones Feb 11 21:21:53 i see... Feb 11 21:21:56 contradude: right, that's how they keep your pants permanently down Feb 11 21:22:06 * gour is reading about 2.0 Feb 11 21:22:24 creationix: http://kotoplayer.com Feb 11 21:22:43 rwhitby: I know. I wish it was like europe here as far as cellphones Feb 11 21:23:04 2 year contracts aren't terrible Feb 11 21:23:25 those 3 year ones that they sell in canada are insane Feb 11 21:23:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Theme_Management_API hmmm... Feb 11 21:23:37 woot got my first review! Feb 11 21:23:50 is the preware like the cydia or community repo of webos? Feb 11 21:24:12 joppu: yes. ipkg.preware.org/feeds Feb 11 21:24:17 joppu: what's your background? Feb 11 21:24:28 umm... yeah, but it doesn't void your warranty to use it Feb 11 21:24:30 webos uses sqlite for db stuff? Feb 11 21:24:42 yes Feb 11 21:25:27 Tibfib: I've got my 1.4.5 device with me atm, I'll check it out later Feb 11 21:25:31 rwhitby: theme design mostly, also some web development, not real coding at all :P Feb 11 21:25:48 creationix: sweet, please do! :) Feb 11 21:25:58 doesn't preware have themeing? Feb 11 21:26:06 joppu: theming on webOS is still very primitive. basically just replacing OS files. Feb 11 21:26:19 joppu: prethemer.com is the central resource for that. Feb 11 21:26:39 Preware has their feed included (but not enabled by default) Feb 11 21:26:45 those are just launcher themes as far as I see Feb 11 21:26:56 some of them extend further Feb 11 21:27:21 lol http://twitter.com/#!/RichDunbar/status/36174040381005824 Feb 11 21:28:14 I'm not really interested in "hurr I replace the icons with something stolen from another OS and put something popular from google images as the wallpaper" Feb 11 21:28:18 guy replyed to a recommendation to get koto player and voice memoes saying save your money and get my free apps! (while mentioning both devs) Feb 11 21:29:00 joppu: technically it's pretty easy, you just change the css of the built-in framework, it's just not configurable from a user's point of view Feb 11 21:31:05 joppu: the path is open for someone to come and do theming "right" on webOS. At the moment, it's a second-class citizen in the ecosystem. Feb 11 21:31:33 so I'd have to basically wait for official support if HP decides to allow stuff to modify the look of their walled garden Feb 11 21:31:50 ugh, you make it sound so apple Feb 11 21:32:04 joppu: I see, you want the themes installable to normal users Feb 11 21:32:05 * gour is basically looking for nice phone with rich email experience & hardware keyboard, open-source friendly (we'll move to freebsd from linux soon) and decent developer platform to write desktop-lite app...hopefully webos might fill the need Feb 11 21:32:08 it's not the same way as apple treats it's homebrewers Feb 11 21:32:13 preware users can do some things like that Feb 11 21:32:32 and HP actually supports and homebrew community for webOS Feb 11 21:33:22 what creationix is correct, however there is little to no support in the base OS for theming, so you have to make intrusive changes via homebrew packages to achieve it Feb 11 21:33:50 such themes cannot be submitted to the official app catalog Feb 11 21:34:08 correct Feb 11 21:34:19 if i did not get any mail for the early access program .. i won't get any until monday, am i right? Feb 11 21:35:04 rwhitby: have you suggested adding themeing to the framework to my team? Feb 11 21:35:25 probably via the early access channels Feb 11 21:36:58 creationix: there was some initial discussion with Rahul Sood, but it never went anywhere. Feb 11 21:37:23 oh man, is it wish list time? Feb 11 21:37:33 lol Feb 11 21:38:45 holy crap, is this what the webos development is like? :D Feb 11 21:39:10 like what? Feb 11 21:39:12 joppu: what do you mean Feb 11 21:40:39 seems pretty open to be judging by the devs hanging out on IRC Feb 11 21:41:11 I wish I could hang out more Feb 11 21:41:22 but I'm often in #node.js too Feb 11 21:41:48 I lurk there, to no effect yet Feb 11 21:44:44 I think webOS is more open than android, even though technically it's proprietary. Feb 11 21:45:44 is the code obfuscated? Feb 11 21:45:49 nope Feb 11 21:45:53 eg. the javascript and css Feb 11 21:45:57 sometimes it's compacted to save space on the device Feb 11 21:46:06 but never obfuscated Feb 11 21:46:20 can't speak for third-party developers Feb 11 21:46:50 some third-party developers obfuscate, but not Palm. Feb 11 21:47:23 joppu: webOS is more "accessible" than any other mobile OS. Feb 11 21:47:42 Android (the open source project) is open, but the deployment of it on vendor phones is far from open or accessible. Feb 11 21:48:58 I really do love the maemo platform for being actually based on standard linux packages Feb 11 21:49:17 yes, except it's no longer supported by a vendor, right? Feb 11 21:49:28 too bad nokia really downplayed it, and now announced it will be downplaying meego also Feb 11 21:49:49 yep, it's practically abandoned Feb 11 21:50:20 the optware guys do standard linux stuff Feb 11 21:50:28 I like to install sftp server via optware Feb 11 21:50:33 there's the community seamless software update project though, and it has already partly materilized Feb 11 21:50:34 and then mount my phone via gnome Feb 11 21:52:24 creationix: optware guys is me too ;) Feb 11 21:52:49 nice Feb 11 21:52:54 heh Feb 11 21:53:07 http://optwarefind.nslu2-linux.org/ Feb 11 21:53:47 well, I started it. Now there are other guys who do most of the work of maintaining the base package repo, and I do the webos stuff. Feb 11 21:54:19 (it started in NSLU2-Linux.org, which I led before WebOS-Internals.org) Feb 11 21:55:54 rwhitby be crazy with that type of stuff (in a good way) Feb 11 21:59:43 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 22:00:55 but seriously, if you ever add that official theme support, count me in! :) Feb 11 22:01:50 HPalm is kaput, no OTA updates or official support for current WebOS devices bar Pre2 Feb 11 22:02:16 hi Feb 11 22:02:26 hi Feb 11 22:03:05 Ziomatrix: no way... thank GOD you showed up and cleared it all up for us Feb 11 22:03:07 ! Feb 11 22:03:14 However, I wouldn't be too quick to blame HP for this trouble. Its probably due to choice carriers, especially VZW, who don't want to see the EOLd Pre Plus cut into their Pre 2 sales. Feb 11 22:03:21 q. is it possible to dev an apps without having a webos device ? Feb 11 22:03:33 yep Feb 11 22:03:43 pssible but not as easy Feb 11 22:03:44 jetienne: absolutely!!! Feb 11 22:03:48 absolutely, the sdk includes an emulator Feb 11 22:04:00 jetienne it's not all that hard actually unless you're doing something weird. Feb 11 22:04:02 so i download and run the sdk and i can do it . Feb 11 22:04:03 Strange every time I tried to boot the emulator it crashed :( Feb 11 22:04:03 the emulator is VERY GOOD Feb 11 22:04:11 * sugardave says "no" just to be contrary. Feb 11 22:04:20 ok this sdk emulator is running on linux ? Feb 11 22:04:22 not as easy because you can't judge the speed in the emulator and how well your app will run Feb 11 22:04:35 http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/11/atandt-iphone-customers-go-grab-your-free-1000-minutes/ Feb 11 22:04:38 jetienne: it is basically a linux it runs in virtualbox Feb 11 22:04:53 sugardave: so i guess you mean yes Feb 11 22:04:55 thanks all Feb 11 22:04:59 are they going to update the emulator for the latest Virtualbox support? Feb 11 22:05:09 they're working on it Feb 11 22:05:10 Ziomatrix: I imagine so Feb 11 22:05:29 Steve Lemke says yes, but that things take time Feb 11 22:05:48 cause I couldn't get it working on a Windows 7 machine, its probably more to do with the older version it has to run off of. Feb 11 22:06:22 I run it off windows fine Feb 11 22:06:38 same win7 here Feb 11 22:06:40 I even tried compatibility mode to no avail, it just ends up stalling. Does the emulator usually take awhile to load? Feb 11 22:06:49 dont use vb 4.0 Feb 11 22:07:14 dawn: it only supports up to 3.2 correct? Its been awhile since I tried again. Feb 11 22:07:21 3.2.x something Feb 11 22:08:12 Oracle has just released VirtualBox 4.0, and it has changes to its API that cause it to fail with the current palm-emulator tool. Feb 11 22:08:14 * Tibfib is on 3.0.10 Feb 11 22:08:20 We recommend staying with the last 3.2.12 version for now. Feb 11 22:08:24 does anyone know if WebOS Internals is able to take on the gargantuan task of bring WebOS v2.0 to all current legacy devices? Feb 11 22:08:37 Ziomatrix: why don't you ask rwhitby Feb 11 22:09:02 * haeffb guesses they will try. Feb 11 22:09:09 Tibfib: thanks for the tip, I'm sure if they held a bounty many would be willing to cough up. Feb 11 22:09:14 it's haeffb Feb 11 22:09:27 lies Feb 11 22:12:06 * haeffb walked on the beach today. cold & windy makes me tired. Feb 11 22:14:02 haeffb: lol, I wouldn't want to be near the ocean during this season Feb 11 22:14:16 heh: https://gimmebar.com/view/4d55b42dab49797b5f000000 Feb 11 22:15:14 ouch Feb 11 22:15:29 wha? Feb 11 22:16:14 * rick-work is SO glad that it's nearly 30 degrees warmber today than yesterday, with temps near 50 predicted for the weekend. !!! Feb 11 22:16:26 Its a nice 75 here :p Feb 11 22:16:27 warmber? Feb 11 22:16:30 rick-work: +1 Feb 11 22:17:03 funkatron: another strangely worded website showcasing the "Pre" but stating WebOS 2.0 is installed on the Pre 2 and more devices in the coming months Feb 11 22:17:11 wamber as oooppoosseedd to coldber Feb 11 22:17:14 hehe Feb 11 22:20:56 ur face is warmber Feb 11 22:21:33 rick-work: That would be bad news here. We get tops near 50C on really bad days. Feb 11 22:31:07 Hendikins that WOULD be bad. But yesterday was -20C so, 40F warmer is MUCH NICER... It's almost 3c out there Feb 11 22:32:14 We've topped out at 43C so far this year Feb 11 22:33:58 Fairly mild to be honest, in a good summer we get 45+ Feb 11 22:35:17 I checked on the status of early access applications, they are being processed as fast as possible, there were lots of submissions after wednesday night Feb 11 22:41:02 Hendikins where are you? Feb 11 22:42:50 rick-work: Sydney, Australia Feb 11 22:44:37 And you know you're in a government job when... calling in sick is more effort than going to work. Feb 11 22:51:02 good one Hendikins ... gonna tell that to my wife Feb 11 22:51:42 joetweeply: The only reason I'm at work now is that calling in sick would be more effort (and I'm not on my deathbed) Feb 11 22:52:24 plenty of time to catch up with your reading stuff then Feb 11 22:53:47 Not really, I'm working a train here. I just catch snippets between stations. (I'm not a driver, otherwise I would call in sick) Feb 11 22:54:15 sounds a boring job Feb 11 22:54:41 somehow i thought nearly anyone in here is a programmer Feb 11 22:56:17 But the last 2 days were rostered off, and I go on annual leave tomorrow. With the chasing up of a medical certificate, screwing around getting my leave altered, going in to town to chase my timesheet... less effort to go to work. Feb 11 22:56:46 yeah i know that Feb 11 22:57:13 And boring is a good thing in this job - I deal with the public. Feb 11 23:00:17 * Hendikins disappears, 20 minutes turn time at terminus Feb 11 23:04:48 is creating a dashboard not good enough for an alarm? (with a sound of course) Feb 11 23:12:40 Tibfib: with a snooze? Feb 11 23:12:52 yeah Feb 11 23:13:08 the problem with a dashboard is that there isn't much room for controls Feb 11 23:13:26 yeah Feb 11 23:13:39 I wish you could specify a height for your dashboard Feb 11 23:14:06 haeffb: I need a "snooze" button.. what else? Feb 11 23:14:08 there's another option...can't remember the name...it's what Clock does. Feb 11 23:14:14 popup? Feb 11 23:14:23 "Clock" Feb 11 23:14:31 haeffb: that's what the stock alarm clock app does Feb 11 23:14:33 a popup Feb 11 23:14:42 it's like a dashboard, but you control the size Feb 11 23:14:47 or are you recommending a popup? Feb 11 23:14:49 oh Feb 11 23:14:59 haeffb: yeah, but it doesn't minimize to a dashboard Feb 11 23:15:01 which is what I want Feb 11 23:15:29 I could rig a dash to launch a popup on activate Feb 11 23:15:29 hmmmm...you'd have to control that within your stage? Feb 11 23:15:46 hmm? Feb 11 23:16:08 I just want to keep whatever I'm playing open while being able to use my phone Feb 11 23:16:54 rigging a popup would be annoying Feb 11 23:17:00 as a dev and user Feb 11 23:17:56 haeffb: all I need on a dashboard is a snooze button Feb 11 23:17:57 cant you have more than 1 dashboard per app? Feb 11 23:18:08 yeah, but that's even hackier Feb 11 23:18:13 i know the email app (if properly configured) can display multiple dashboards Feb 11 23:18:36 dawm: oh. should I have a new dash per alarm? Feb 11 23:18:49 I think I should Feb 11 23:18:51 much nicer Feb 11 23:21:26 haeffb: btw, just set two alarms at same time. both fired fine :/ Feb 11 23:27:39 woot. 20 downloads of koto Feb 11 23:28:04 I hope it gets into the catalog soon Feb 11 23:31:06 bbl everyone Feb 11 23:42:19 Tibfib: was the app already open? Feb 12 00:45:54 wow, this is cool... when I'm away people answer emulator questions for me. :-) Feb 12 01:11:36 what's up? Feb 12 01:24:43 lemketron: of course. Feb 12 01:25:37 some pics I took on the beach today, sized for Pre wallpaper: http://haeffb.com/pre-wallpapers/ Feb 12 01:26:30 hay haeffb Feb 12 01:26:43 hi PatrickC_Pre Feb 12 01:26:58 those are some awesome pix :) Feb 12 01:27:05 I've been meaning to tell you: Done and Noted have been in the catalog for a long time. Feb 12 01:27:17 the beta is just adding new features. Feb 12 01:27:23 thanks! Feb 12 01:27:32 Have you seen the review? Feb 12 01:27:35 lol Feb 12 01:28:32 yes, I did. Feb 12 01:28:45 I was trying to get some shots for wallpaper for the wife's Pre Feb 12 01:29:11 its called google. I use it all the time ;) lol Feb 12 01:29:18 what's Done? Feb 12 01:30:23 done is one of my other apps. Tasks app that syncs with Toodledo. Feb 12 01:30:37 http://www.tigercountrysoftware.com Feb 12 01:30:47 hi sugardave_pre Feb 12 01:30:55 waiting for the ballet to start Feb 12 01:31:02 hi hi Feb 12 01:31:06 working on http://haeffb.com Feb 12 01:31:19 don't have the mobile version working correctly yet, though. Feb 12 01:31:21 sugardave_pre: really? lol Feb 12 01:31:32 sugardave_pre is a ballerina Feb 12 01:32:11 I've been called worse Feb 12 01:32:15 I thot, so especially after the other day ;) Feb 12 01:32:42 haeffb, you starting a blog? Feb 12 01:33:50 not really, just wanted to get something up on my site. Feb 12 01:34:13 I gots me a blog (but you know that :p) Feb 12 01:34:18 yep Feb 12 01:34:26 if you start a blog, we can partner ;) Feb 12 01:34:35 I don't know what I'm going to do with it yet. Feb 12 01:34:36 build users who trust us lol Feb 12 01:34:53 the tiger country software is my site as well Feb 12 01:34:58 ahh Feb 12 01:35:15 I don't feel like buying a domain lol Feb 12 01:35:30 I already have those two Feb 12 01:35:39 * halfhalo has many Feb 12 01:35:39 and manage http://www.tigercountryrealty.com Feb 12 01:35:53 * haeffb looking for a wp theme... Feb 12 01:36:00 have too many domains I don't do much with Feb 12 01:36:31 like my theme? I can tell ya what it is if you want Feb 12 01:37:48 * oil went to http://sugardave.com/ expecting something different Feb 12 01:38:03 any new writers on here? (writers are always wanted by http://awesomeappreviews.wordpres.com) Feb 12 01:38:05 do i dare click Feb 12 01:38:05 right Feb 12 01:38:15 I clicked Feb 12 01:38:22 tapped* :3 Feb 12 01:38:28 good luck with that different thing Feb 12 01:38:29 oil, who was it you were picking on the other day? lol Feb 12 01:38:37 * oil doesnt pick on anyone Feb 12 01:38:43 except halfhalo Feb 12 01:38:57 mostly because he started the "blame oil" thing Feb 12 01:39:02 :) Feb 12 01:39:23 lol, it was you and dave... Feb 12 01:39:36 I forget who he (you said she) was :p Feb 12 01:40:37 it got quiet...... :/ lol Feb 12 01:41:07 it was sineOt Feb 12 01:41:15 ahhh yea Feb 12 01:41:26 now I remember that conversation.... lol Feb 12 01:41:38 I haven't heard from sine in a while Feb 12 01:42:17 who here wants a Pre3, Vere, and TouchPad?!?!?!?!?! Feb 12 01:42:30 * oil ? Feb 12 01:42:45 who doesn't? Feb 12 01:42:50 I like the new hardware :) Feb 12 01:42:58 it better launch on sprint! Feb 12 01:43:00 lol Feb 12 01:43:34 I can do without the Veer Feb 12 01:43:51 well, it looks nice (but small) Feb 12 01:43:57 but it has 2.0 Feb 12 01:44:17 something the general public won't have for a while :/ Feb 12 01:45:14 * oil will enjoy the time to procrastinate rewriting preware :) Feb 12 01:45:40 why rewrite preware? lol Feb 12 01:45:44 it works fine with 2.0 Feb 12 01:45:55 he's not rewriting it. He's procrastinating rewriting it. Feb 12 01:45:56 for me at least ;) Feb 12 01:46:02 haha Feb 12 01:46:14 I procrastinate everything Feb 12 01:46:17 I wonder how long this ballet is....I have some things I need to do later Feb 12 01:46:38 like pollish you're heels? Feb 12 01:46:41 lol jk Feb 12 01:47:01 PatrickC_Pre: an enyo rewrite would be perfect for the pre3/veer and touchpad Feb 12 01:47:09 + future devices Feb 12 01:47:14 that sounds fun :) Feb 12 01:47:29 go oil Feb 12 01:47:41 woo! Feb 12 01:47:59 dave said he's gonna help you too oil Feb 12 01:48:10 i fear 2.0, since developers will want to develop more stuff for 2.0 rather than 1.4.5... webos 1.x will soon be forgotten :( Feb 12 01:48:27 sure, I will "help" Feb 12 01:48:35 enyo is backwards compatible (I believe) Feb 12 01:48:45 dumbledore: yep Feb 12 01:48:54 so, if it is developed with enyo, it should work on 1.4.5 Feb 12 01:49:25 I need more patches on 2.0 Feb 12 01:49:49 I will be delaying new weOS projects for clients until Enyo is viable Feb 12 01:51:07 enyo looks promissing Feb 12 01:51:32 my verizon pixi is taunting me with its dust Feb 12 01:51:51 dumbledore: go to it. its calling you Feb 12 01:51:59 anyone wanna tell me how to overclock to 900mhz :3 Feb 12 01:52:12 lol nice one PatrickC_Pre Feb 12 01:52:13 mine is overclocked to 806 mhz Feb 12 01:52:48 yea same with my sprint one. i only crank it up to full mhz when im gaming :P Feb 12 01:53:13 you have a sprint and vzw pixi? lol Feb 12 01:53:43 you have a pre? Feb 12 01:54:04 i ment pixi Feb 12 01:54:11 lol yea i've got both Feb 12 01:54:23 you said pixi, I was asking if you had a pre lol Feb 12 01:54:33 oh no :P Feb 12 01:54:37 wish i had one Feb 12 01:54:47 I got a sprint pixi/vzw pre+ Feb 12 01:54:59 I gots me a dev device! yay lol Feb 12 01:55:04 lol Feb 12 01:55:20 i'm willing to fry my verizon one just for the sake of getting rid of it Feb 12 01:55:23 I can't wait for the next dev device event! Feb 12 01:55:36 lol, you're a sprint user? Feb 12 01:55:42 yep Feb 12 01:55:50 I can fry it for u Feb 12 01:56:07 !inb4 frying pan + oil :3 Feb 12 01:56:26 just put some oil on the stove, insert phone, and BAM, innstant fryed pixi! Feb 12 01:56:37 lol Feb 12 01:56:50 * oil wont fit in the stove Feb 12 01:56:51 oil's computer must be beeping right now Feb 12 01:56:54 its fried :) Feb 12 01:56:56 there he is Feb 12 01:56:56 lol Feb 12 01:57:30 didn't think of that :p Feb 12 01:57:40 :P Feb 12 01:57:59 could we add more symbols to the symbols tray Feb 12 01:58:36 via patch? Feb 12 01:58:48 lol anything Feb 12 01:59:04 probably Feb 12 01:59:05 it would be nice to see a heart or spades symbol in there Feb 12 01:59:25 the virtual keyboard egaudet made for 145 is based on the symbols tray Feb 12 01:59:57 VKB is kinda cramped for the pixi (since it already has a non-slider keyboard) Feb 12 02:01:36 yea, I took the VKB off the pixi Feb 12 02:02:04 did they announce a VKB for the Veer or Pre3? Feb 12 02:10:09 no Feb 12 02:11:14 l Feb 12 02:11:47 La Sylphide is about to begin.....shhh! Feb 12 02:14:10 * halfhalo dunnos why he got pinged Feb 12 02:15:51 though if I had to guess it would be due to oil Feb 12 02:16:02 nope Feb 12 02:16:28 oil was saying what a great bloke you are Feb 12 02:16:37 nope Feb 12 02:16:41 well I know THATS a lie Feb 12 02:16:45 haha Feb 12 02:17:10 it's true. and he said you're a bonzer webaws hacker too. Feb 12 02:17:36 now we need the server-side stuff halfhalo has been playing with for preware :) Feb 12 02:17:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonzer Feb 12 02:18:05 wikipedia called you dated rwhitby :) Feb 12 02:18:11 lol Feb 12 02:18:20 oil: I didn't say it, you did. Feb 12 02:18:38 ctrl+f bonzer Feb 12 02:18:42 must have missed it Feb 12 02:18:43 haha Feb 12 02:19:03 "bonzer" is a word that aussies use when they want to point out that the phrase was not being said by an actual Australian. Feb 12 02:19:04 i totally used that word then had to go look it up :) Feb 12 02:36:17 hi Feb 12 02:36:26 any version works with nokia phones? Feb 12 02:36:43 any version of what... Feb 12 02:36:54 webos Feb 12 02:36:54 ^what dumbledore said Feb 12 02:37:05 No. Webos works on webos phones. Feb 12 02:37:11 ^ Feb 12 02:37:13 bummer Feb 12 02:37:26 hardware designs, drivers, etc... Feb 12 02:37:37 ^ Feb 12 02:38:02 or the fact that webos is wholly owned by hp and not nokia.... I mean, that must play a part... right? Feb 12 02:38:17 not unless you port it :3 Feb 12 02:38:24 (without hp knowing) Feb 12 02:38:47 Or with them knowing. Didn't some guys port it to a Hero? Feb 12 02:39:01 yeah i was just getting to that :P Feb 12 02:39:10 but i dont believe that Feb 12 02:39:19 That they did it? Feb 12 02:39:23 yea Feb 12 02:39:38 proably somone just shooped a screenshot onto the hero's screen Feb 12 02:39:46 There was proof I believe. Crappy video that couldn't be faked. Feb 12 02:39:56 would love to see Feb 12 02:40:08 the port of webOS to the Hero was a fraud Feb 12 02:40:32 thought so :P Feb 12 02:40:53 they published a screenshot from a Pixi on Verizon and tried to make it out as the Sprint Pre version of webOS running on a Hero. Feb 12 02:41:15 I called them on it, and they were never seen again. Feb 12 02:41:36 lol Feb 12 02:41:45 Lol ok your no longer my hero rod :( jk Feb 12 02:41:56 rod is everyone's hero Feb 12 02:42:09 long live rod! Feb 12 02:42:31 rwhitby: could we add symbols to symbols tray Feb 12 02:46:43 dunno, ask egaudet Feb 12 02:46:52 jet lag stinks Feb 12 02:46:59 yup Feb 12 02:47:32 geeksquadkid: http://bit.ly/in-rod-we-trust Feb 12 02:47:43 they still love me Feb 12 02:47:52 omg 25 minute intermission?! Feb 12 02:48:04 UofM basketball? random Feb 12 02:48:08 rwhitby: LOL Feb 12 02:48:21 you really think HP is targeting apple? Feb 12 02:49:14 Yes. They are a competetor. Feb 12 02:49:35 those are just surveyor's marks Feb 12 02:57:05 gizmodo is a total fail here. not only is their new design crap, imo, but it defaults me to spanish Feb 12 02:57:07 I select english Feb 12 02:57:09 click on story Feb 12 02:57:12 get spanish version Feb 12 02:57:21 click on english within story, get sent back to english homepage Feb 12 02:57:22 repeat Feb 12 02:57:32 Hey Guys Feb 12 02:57:43 Epic failure. Feb 12 02:57:46 as any native I interacted with today will attest, my spanish is no bueno Feb 12 02:57:51 Do you think someone could hack WebOS 2.0 for Pixi and Plus Feb 12 02:58:01 it may have SOMETHING to do with the fact that you are, you know, in spain Feb 12 02:58:32 Sonny788: mattsmcnulty developed Enyo on a Sprint Pre, so anything is possible Feb 12 02:58:44 enyo's not the problem Feb 12 02:58:58 mattsmcnulty: how was the flight ? Feb 12 02:59:09 we just all sit in this special underground room and think up ways to mess with people. it's one of the perks Feb 12 02:59:10 right. that's why the Sprint Pre guys just need to wait for webOS 3.0, then all will be fine again. Feb 12 02:59:42 i want a Palm Phone ;( But if 2.0 not going be running on it then i can't get one Feb 12 02:59:48 flight was good. good friend used some miles to upgrade me to biz as a congrats for weds so I was pretty pleased **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 02:59:57 2011