**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 02:59:57 2011 Feb 12 03:00:01 mattsmcnulty: oh very nice! have you flown biz before ? Feb 12 03:00:25 yes, I take these united "ps" flights back and forth to NYC which have large biz sections that are easy to upgrade into Feb 12 03:00:27 Sonny788: you can buy the Pre 2 direct from HP Feb 12 03:00:38 but never internationally with completely flat beds, etc Feb 12 03:00:42 :( i wish i could buy i don't have the money yet Feb 12 03:00:47 mattsmcnulty: slick - did you sleep in the flat bed ? Feb 12 03:00:52 There selling Palm Plus on ebay for like $100 Feb 12 03:00:53 yes indeedy Feb 12 03:00:57 nice! Feb 12 03:01:16 pills helped Feb 12 03:01:16 Sonny788: just buy the ones with 2.0 Feb 12 03:01:22 as they generally do Feb 12 03:01:30 get a veer Feb 12 03:01:34 mattsmcnulty: excited for MWC? Feb 12 03:01:45 ^ what matts said Feb 12 03:01:49 I don't have the Money to buy Palm 3 or 2 There like $400 :( Feb 12 03:01:53 Sonny788: and to think my pre plus is 4 days old thinking I was gonna get webos 2x Feb 12 03:02:07 I hear MWC is like a zoo, so not really Feb 12 03:02:17 ok? Feb 12 03:02:28 mattsmcnulty: what will you be doing there? checking stuff out, or hawking wares? Feb 12 03:02:36 speaking tues Feb 12 03:02:43 more on enyo? Feb 12 03:02:48 The pre 2 is 99 on contract verizon Feb 12 03:02:52 bringing my apparent swagger to the old world Feb 12 03:03:02 kickin it old world Feb 12 03:03:03 I'm not looking for a Contract Feb 12 03:03:18 you may need some inquisition up in there, tho Feb 12 03:03:24 Sonny788: probably some dev Pre 2 devices on Ebay Feb 12 03:03:28 there's an app dev thing here, I am giving a talk, nothing that wasn't in weds really Feb 12 03:03:46 There selling Pre 2 on ebay for $300 Feb 12 03:03:57 bargain, I paid $650 for mine. Feb 12 03:03:58 maybe a Q&A session afterwards or some extra hands on hackery with some masters? Feb 12 03:04:01 But there selling Palm Pre Plus for $80 or so Feb 12 03:04:15 well, the homebrew community paid $650 for mine I should say ... Feb 12 03:05:11 such great fellas Feb 12 03:05:14 mattsmcnulty: sqlite is still avail in enyo? Feb 12 03:05:28 mattsmcnulty: between the pre3 and veer - what device do you personally enjoy playing around on? Feb 12 03:05:32 rwhitby: how hard is it to radio board swap from a sprint pre minus to the pre 2. No harder than plussing? Feb 12 03:05:48 haeffb: yes Feb 12 03:05:52 Sonny788: there's 'filez' available on the intertubes to run webOS 2.0 on a Pre Plus if you look hard enough Feb 12 03:05:58 bladalino: I prefer the veer Feb 12 03:06:10 act II is starting Feb 12 03:06:10 mattsmcnulty: pre3 a little big and unweildy ? Feb 12 03:06:11 geeksquadkid: dead simple. doesn't work without sekret files, but dead simple. Feb 12 03:06:28 it's fine, if I didn't have a tablet or 5 I would probably want it more Feb 12 03:06:38 it screams, gorgeous screen, nice to type on Feb 12 03:06:42 ok rwhitby Thanks Feb 12 03:06:44 I have a thing for the tiny tiny veer Feb 12 03:06:54 rwhitby: sekret files? So you don't just need the tokens etc? Feb 12 03:06:55 oh, right - the tablet .. keyboard isn't too tiny? Feb 12 03:06:55 this theme annoys me: http://haeffb.com/ Feb 12 03:07:09 nope, veer keyboard is fine. hard to believe I know Feb 12 03:07:13 geeksquadkid: you did say Sprint. Feb 12 03:07:18 just good engineering it seems Feb 12 03:07:55 rwhitby correct sprint Feb 12 03:07:58 rwhitby: say we found those files to run webos 2x on pre plus would you guys supoort us with tech issues or general questions ? Feb 12 03:08:16 I'm very good at googeling Feb 12 03:08:55 Palm Pre 2 $400 on ebay :( Feb 12 03:09:05 mattsmcnulty, you have a tablet or five... ((( JEALOUS ))) Feb 12 03:10:33 rwhitby: does having spront complicate matters? Feb 12 03:11:35 rwhitby: don't tell them our plan is really to have you solder pre2 parts into everyone's pres Feb 12 03:12:04 mattsmcnulty: no, I've outsourced that to the WebOS World guys. We just get a cut of the fee. Feb 12 03:12:07 diy Feb 12 03:12:23 WOW, Palm Pixi Plus $56.00 on ebay WOW Feb 12 03:12:38 mattsmcnulty: just send us the schematics - we'll figure it out from there Feb 12 03:12:59 heh Feb 12 03:13:54 New* Feb 12 03:14:10 ok, the mini bar bottle of johnny walker I downed 20 min ago is making me feel like I may be able to sleep. fingers crossed - ttyl Feb 12 03:14:56 Used Palm Pre Plus $55.00 on Ebay :) But :( Feb 12 03:14:59 palm pixi plus is $64 on amazon.com no contract for people who really want it Feb 12 03:15:07 :) Feb 12 03:15:21 I would rather make my own :( I trust myself Feb 12 03:16:31 What Palm Phone should i buy? Feb 12 03:16:37 Sonny788: I love referbished stuff I'm s cheapy .. my pre plus + was free from my carrier just had to resign 2 year contract Feb 12 03:17:00 ok Feb 12 03:18:18 Is the Pixi Plus really worth it Feb 12 03:18:38 buy pre + if you like slider keyboard Feb 12 03:18:54 Sonny78: what's the condition? Feb 12 03:19:13 The Pixi Plus is New on ebay Feb 12 03:19:23 $65.00 Feb 12 03:19:49 Sonny788: it's small if you didn't know Feb 12 03:20:01 Brand new Palm Pixi Plus $65.00 Is it worth it Feb 12 03:20:07 Yeah i no it Small Feb 12 03:20:57 But i never had/Used a Palm Phone i really really want one, I'm thinking about getting TouchPad once i buy my iPad 2 i was going buy one them Feb 12 03:21:08 I have a friend who loves his pixi. Feb 12 03:22:16 Is the Palm Pre Plus worth getting now that it not running newest WebOS and Palm i mean HP stop updating them (Like Software) Feb 12 03:23:02 It depends on what you want. I was gonna get the pixi. Feb 12 03:23:12 The price is right, but I'd say wait until they shoehorn an official 2.0 on there. Feb 12 03:23:42 If cost isn't an issue though, probably not. Feb 12 03:24:36 1. I'm not going be on AT&T or Verizon for Palm Plus Feb 12 03:24:46 I'm not getting it to TXT/Call Feb 12 03:26:18 I would Love a Pre 2 but Don't have $400 right now If i did i would buy a TouchPad Feb 12 03:27:26 Be back later (10 or 15mins) Feb 12 03:32:02 madness this week Feb 12 03:32:04 sheesh Feb 12 03:33:12 yes. Feb 12 03:33:26 what is good WebOS Feb 12 03:34:46 all webOS is good webOS Feb 12 03:37:59 That said, some webOS is better than some other webOS. Feb 12 03:40:17 I think the ballet is over Feb 12 03:42:13 some webOS is better than other webOS? is that like talking about the nature of different infinite sets? Feb 12 03:42:39 there may be an infinite number of integers, but there are infinitely more rational numbers Feb 12 03:43:23 Well, it works like this: There are a finite number of versions of webOS. Higher versions of webOS are better than lower numbers. Feb 12 03:43:35 my palm pre 1, is tougher than any nextel phone i have owned. Feb 12 03:43:55 some may argue that 1.4.5 isn't as good performance wise as some of the 1.3 builds Feb 12 03:44:52 svn co http://palm.developer.com/products/webos3.3/trunk Feb 12 03:45:14 oops Feb 12 03:45:16 my bad Feb 12 03:45:30 heh Feb 12 03:45:32 i thought it was the year 2021.. Feb 12 03:45:40 :D Feb 12 03:46:20 take it ease fellas, of course be seeing everyone in the future. Feb 12 03:47:02 * oc80z away (installing webos on toaster) Feb 12 03:48:10 Back :) Feb 12 03:48:19 I legit need to jump ship and make myself an Android toaster. Feb 12 03:48:21 Not kidding. Feb 12 03:48:23 So.. I'm new This WebOS Thing just to ask Feb 12 03:48:44 Is WebOS really that great? Feb 12 03:49:09 It depends on what you want. Feb 12 03:49:27 hmm, What stuff do you use your WebOS for? Feb 12 03:49:34 And What Palm Phones do you have? Feb 12 03:50:02 I've got an ATT Pre Plus that I'm using on Tmobile USA unlocked. Feb 12 03:50:21 ;) Feb 12 03:51:08 What Hackes can you do on a Palm Phone? I'm new this I'm coming from IOS LOL Feb 12 03:51:53 I don't get 3G internet, so it's mostly a combination PMP/camera/phone/texting/calendar device, but I also use it a lot for tasks, sometimes the news or notes, RSS feeds, but via the browser, checking stuff without having to get out my netbook. Feb 12 03:52:29 ok Feb 12 03:52:39 I have my iPad for that some times LOL Feb 12 03:53:02 It's a lot of what I'd do with an iPod Touch and a phone, but without a lot of the apps and with a ridaftulously good interface. Feb 12 03:53:17 ok Feb 12 03:53:35 I want a Palm Phone but i don't really need it Feb 12 03:54:02 The really nice thing about it is that you can just do things really quickly and neatly; I can type in a name from the home screen, and tap them, and start writing my text just like that. Feb 12 03:54:26 ok Feb 12 03:54:26 The main thing I hear from Android and Jesus Phone users who have a look at my Pres is that it is polished and intuitive. Feb 12 03:54:47 It looks good and is easy to figure out. Feb 12 03:54:59 And then there's just all these crazy details, like the way the phone rings in a rhythm of - - --- Feb 12 03:55:53 Am I the only one who loves that? Feb 12 03:56:04 Not the ring, the vibrate. Feb 12 03:57:11 I don't use my phone as a vibrator :P Feb 12 03:58:45 I've got a vibrate module out of a random Nokia, but that's a different story. Feb 12 04:02:34 Oh, and I love having the flashlight in the menu, from the Devicemenu Maxed Out Ultra patch. Feb 12 04:07:47 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Sprint-w-original-box-clean-ESN-/190501125038?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2c5ac07bae#ht_500wt_1019 That sound good Feb 12 04:07:55 Nice Palm Pre only $43 Feb 12 04:09:34 Hm... Feb 12 04:10:29 its a starting price for 6 days left? Feb 12 04:10:37 probably a week, listed it 2 hours ago Feb 12 04:10:51 Yeah but buy it now $43 Feb 12 04:12:46 Why People selling them so low? Feb 12 04:13:10 Like a Brand new Palm Pixi Plus $63.00 Why when there like $300 on the site? Feb 12 04:13:14 i don't get it Feb 12 04:15:34 ? Feb 12 04:19:21 Hey, Why are the Old Palm Phones so low now like Palm Pixi is $63 on Amazon Brand new and you get a Palm Pre Plus for like $80 now?? Why there so low? Feb 12 04:20:18 they've essentially been end-of-lifed Feb 12 04:20:34 Yeah it Sounds like it Feb 12 04:21:28 its a good price for a wifi-only web device imo Feb 12 04:21:28 Then why are people still buying them?? Feb 12 04:21:35 plus a hacky linux box Feb 12 04:21:37 ok Feb 12 04:21:58 leave it plugged in all the time, use it as a web server :> Feb 12 04:22:06 lol Feb 12 04:22:16 they're going to make beowulf clusters from old pre and pixi pluses Feb 12 04:22:24 just imagine the sheer computing power Feb 12 04:22:40 oh Feb 12 04:22:50 wifi doesn't work Feb 12 04:22:51 with Tomcat Feb 12 04:23:25 Sonny788: "They're cheap" would be a reason. Feb 12 04:23:47 We are working on alternative plans with AT&T and will be sharing details in the coming weeks. Feb 12 04:23:49 boo Feb 12 04:23:50 Yeah :( hmm idk if i should get a Palm Plus anymore Feb 12 04:24:47 Sonny788: Is it cheap and do you like what it does now? If so, why not? Feb 12 04:25:13 rwhitby you said if you look on interwebs there is prob stuff out there that has webos 2x running on pre + correct ? Feb 12 04:25:22 I like the Palm Plus Feb 12 04:25:41 hmm idk Feb 12 04:25:47 I may buy one idk Feb 12 04:28:57 Josef_B: They're releasing 2.0 for the O2 Pre Pluses, and I'm thinking it'll be possible to metadoctor it.. Feb 12 04:29:12 yea i see some stuff Feb 12 04:29:31 lot of youbue videso of webos 2 on pres Feb 12 04:29:37 WebOS 2.0 installed on Palm Pre PLUS O2 Germany Feb 12 04:30:34 Josef_B, if we get a 2.x doctor for a pre+ we can almost absolutely meta-doctor it to make a doctor for almost any carrier.... Feb 12 04:30:38 almost Feb 12 04:30:43 there are "tricky bits" Feb 12 04:30:55 and you MAY have to give up your original palm profile Feb 12 04:30:58 i heard sprint had it ? Feb 12 04:31:18 sprint never sold a + Feb 12 04:31:28 rick-away what you man give up palm profile ? Feb 12 04:31:47 You -might- lose access to your paid apps you've already bought. Feb 12 04:31:57 * Josef_B dosen't have paid apps Feb 12 04:32:03 then it wouldn't matter. Feb 12 04:32:13 anything to help the cause Feb 12 04:32:14 :D Feb 12 04:32:41 rick_away: Would it matter if they only released a doctor for Pre+s with QWERTZ keyboards? Feb 12 04:33:58 keyboard changeouts are already supported in meta-doctor Feb 12 04:43:41 rick-away can i pm ? Feb 12 04:43:57 hey Feb 12 04:43:58 http://www.poderpda.com/plataformas/actualiza-tu-palm-pre-gsm-a-webos-2-0/ Feb 12 04:44:03 yep Feb 12 04:44:11 Is that right Feb 12 04:44:18 that is what i wanted to pm him Feb 12 04:44:20 Palm Web OS 2.0 on Palm Pre Feb 12 04:45:26 Has anyone got Web OS 2.0 on there Palm Pre? Feb 12 04:45:43 Sonny788: Yep Feb 12 04:45:47 * Hendikins does. Feb 12 04:45:53 from the same place ? Feb 12 04:46:42 http://www.poderpda.com/plataformas/palm/webos-quick-install-v4-03-compatible-con-webos-2/ Feb 12 04:47:37 If zsoc is using nova-barleywine, then probably. Feb 12 04:47:43 (My Pre2 notwithstanding) Feb 12 04:47:46 I think i'm going get a Palm Pre Plus now because you get WebOS 2.0 :) Feb 12 04:47:54 Officially you don't. Feb 12 04:48:08 Yeah but with a Hack you can i no that Feb 12 04:48:09 I wouldn't buy a device on that basis. Feb 12 04:48:15 Si senior Feb 12 04:48:20 It only like $55.00 Feb 12 04:48:59 WOW, Flash in the browser!!! I never new that Feb 12 04:49:10 Can not access the applications through the App pays Catalog, to do this is to use Preware. :( :( Feb 12 04:49:17 We can not log on to our old profile Palm. ;( Feb 12 04:49:21 i don't pay for apps Feb 12 04:49:22 err Feb 12 04:49:30 i only download free apps sorry Feb 12 04:49:40 bogus Feb 12 04:49:54 Sonny788: You're in NSW? Had a hands on with a Pre+/Pre2? Feb 12 04:50:16 no? I'm in Vic and i never touch a Palm Phone Feb 12 04:51:56 Sonny788 lol i leard from emulator Feb 12 04:52:09 well it helped me learn how to navigate the real thing Feb 12 04:52:10 LOL Feb 12 04:52:34 so you don't have a Palm phone?? Feb 12 04:52:45 i do Feb 12 04:52:49 i've had it for 4 days Feb 12 04:52:50 I am a palm phone Feb 12 04:52:52 :D Feb 12 04:52:56 :) Feb 12 04:52:58 I run webos Feb 12 04:52:59 What Palm Feb 12 04:53:07 im on pre + Feb 12 04:53:13 :) running? Feb 12 04:53:22 1.4.5 Feb 12 04:53:28 im skeptic to run this 2.0 Feb 12 04:53:50 I'm going be buying my First Palm phone soon Feb 12 04:54:00 oh well Feb 12 04:54:02 I'm skeptic two about what Palm Brings Feb 12 04:54:03 thats what i do i take risk Feb 12 04:54:06 i will brb Feb 12 04:54:08 aw shit Feb 12 04:54:10 ok Feb 12 04:54:17 * haeffb just found a whole new document to read Feb 12 04:54:27 oh? Feb 12 04:54:30 lies Feb 12 04:54:36 that I'd missed yesterday. Should demystify some things. Feb 12 04:54:42 lol Feb 12 04:54:44 Hmm i think i made my mind up Feb 12 04:54:47 im gonna test that 2.0 Feb 12 04:54:48 its like magic Feb 12 04:54:49 :D Feb 12 04:54:55 Sonny788: FYI, Palm knows if you're running a beta you're not authorized to have. I'd consider that.. Feb 12 04:54:55 :) Feb 12 04:54:58 Let me no how it goes Feb 12 04:55:11 o ok :( Feb 12 04:55:13 this is sorta like a "Conceptual Document" Feb 12 04:55:13 yep Feb 12 04:55:21 sigh. Feb 12 04:55:51 What should i do Keep 1.4.5 or 2.0? Feb 12 04:55:54 sugardave: ping Feb 12 04:56:00 * Josef_B is running webosdoctor Feb 12 04:56:10 * haeffb is running webosnurse Feb 12 04:56:58 oil, what do you think of this theme: http://haeffb.com Feb 12 04:57:02 Sonny788: if it were me I'd wait until a working frankendoctor is out that lets you run 2.0.1 on pre (and no I don't know when that would be) Feb 12 04:57:20 s'ok Feb 12 04:57:20 ok Thanks Feb 12 04:57:50 http://www.poderpda.com/plataformas/palm/webos-quick-install-v4-03-compatible-con-webos-2/ ?? Feb 12 04:58:06 webos 2 is on the pre2 Feb 12 04:58:12 so Feb 12 04:58:17 quick install now works with pre2 Feb 12 04:58:17 im taking one for the team don't worry Feb 12 04:58:23 im running the webosdoctor 2 Feb 12 04:58:28 im at 12% Feb 12 04:58:48 haeffb: pong Feb 12 04:58:48 uh-oh Feb 12 04:58:52 sup? Feb 12 04:59:08 did you see matts confirm sqlite? Feb 12 04:59:21 no, it's there? Feb 12 04:59:38 I know it's in 2.0 :) Feb 12 04:59:39 yeah. I'm assuming just part of webOS, not the framework. Feb 12 04:59:47 yeah Feb 12 04:59:50 cool Feb 12 05:00:44 yeah, its html5 database Feb 12 05:00:58 afaik it works in safari and chrome Feb 12 05:01:10 probably firefox, too Feb 12 05:01:10 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/274461-webos-quick-install-v4-03-a.html hmm that looks cool Feb 12 05:01:14 I'm watching Motorhead Lemmy play that bass like it's a freaking guitar **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 05:01:48 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 05:02:14 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 05:02:53 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 12 05:03:33 2011 Feb 12 05:03:49 too late Feb 12 05:03:54 dammit Feb 12 05:04:56 :) i now want a Palm pre Plus :) :) Feb 12 05:05:50 you want a Pre 2 Feb 12 05:06:01 no Palm Plus i can't get Pre 2 Feb 12 05:06:12 can't or won't? Feb 12 05:06:25 Can't Feb 12 05:06:42 But that makes you want it less? Feb 12 05:07:28 No i want a Palm Pre Plus i can't get a Pre 2 there to much :( But i can get a Palm Pre Plus :) Feb 12 05:08:28 The Pre Plus, is, dollar for dollar, the best value that is available anywhere at this point. Feb 12 05:09:05 ok Feb 12 05:10:25 Josef_B: How WebOS 2.0 going did it install? Feb 12 05:15:27 Wait, are you guys discussing installing leaked extra secret software? Feb 12 05:16:19 Sonny788 .. i had to go do something so i unplugged it .. i was in the middle of doing something on another computer so i will probably wait a lil Feb 12 05:16:21 sorry :P Feb 12 05:16:29 ok Feb 12 05:17:18 Sonny788, Josef_B: I would recommend that you not discuss illegally obtained material in this channel which is publicly logged and monitored by Palm. Feb 12 05:17:43 o ok Feb 12 05:17:52 rwhitby yes that is why i made the statement above to Sonny788 Feb 12 05:18:08 yeah Feb 12 05:19:04 so in other news if i want to start making apps and have no programing experience Feb 12 05:19:08 do i start with html or java ? Feb 12 05:19:18 for gods sake don't mess with java Feb 12 05:19:18 *javascript Feb 12 05:19:23 java is a dead-end Feb 12 05:19:27 javascript is fine Feb 12 05:19:27 yeah, the script Feb 12 05:19:42 while javascript includes "java" in its name, they're nothing alike Feb 12 05:19:46 is javascript easier then html ? Feb 12 05:19:51 you need three things Josef_B html, javascript, and css. Feb 12 05:19:53 no Feb 12 05:19:59 html is markup Feb 12 05:20:03 javascript is code Feb 12 05:20:18 Josef_B, they're two sides of the coin. HTML is "put this box here, over there say "FROG" Feb 12 05:20:34 css is "The box is blue" and "Frog is bold and underlined" Feb 12 05:20:39 well Feb 12 05:20:51 Javascript is "when your mouse goes over the box, turn the word frog green. Feb 12 05:21:13 rick-home: thats a very good explanation, haha Feb 12 05:21:13 three parts Feb 12 05:21:14 since i work fro home i want to start now so eventually i can make an app or something so i can really do what i want .. be on the computer all the time and my wife won't say anything cause it will be my income Feb 12 05:21:15 :D Feb 12 05:22:40 Josef_B, -- http://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp Feb 12 05:22:45 Guys could help me pick what one i should buy Feb 12 05:22:46 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270704832915&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_2753wt_1004 Feb 12 05:22:54 Should i get that one only really good one on ebay Feb 12 05:23:08 or craigslist Feb 12 05:23:29 Yeah i have look i never ever use craigslist before Feb 12 05:23:37 Sonny788 if you really want a pre now .. look for the buy now on ebay or craigslist Feb 12 05:23:55 Yeah that what i'm doing Feb 12 05:24:08 sonny, that's a fair price Feb 12 05:24:27 Josef_B, the w3schools tutorials are about as good as anything. Feb 12 05:24:41 Josef_B, have you ever done ANY programming or coding at all of any kind? Feb 12 05:24:49 nope Feb 12 05:24:57 i did a hello world at ITT way back when Feb 12 05:24:58 lol Feb 12 05:25:06 oh dear. Feb 12 05:25:08 includes / ifs else they call confuse me Feb 12 05:25:44 What the hell http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/mob/2133085914.html Feb 12 05:26:07 $200 for a Pre when i can get a Palm pre Plus for $150 Feb 12 05:26:21 pre with extended batt Feb 12 05:26:43 the extended batt is about $60. Feb 12 05:26:47 that extended battery is ugly :( Feb 12 05:26:51 o Feb 12 05:26:53 it's still overpriced Feb 12 05:26:55 its so fat haha Feb 12 05:27:01 yep and no touchstone Feb 12 05:27:17 Josef_B, tell me you're kidding about the if/else thing Feb 12 05:27:19 http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl/ele/2180392796.html Feb 12 05:27:28 Does that look like a Palm Pixi to me Feb 12 05:27:46 lol Feb 12 05:27:51 no its not Feb 12 05:28:00 LOL Feb 12 05:28:03 I want an announcement from HP about that mythical path to 2.* soon... so I can start to think about getting the VZW pre2 Feb 12 05:28:40 rick-home should i juse leave the app programming to the pros and just be an average consumer ? Feb 12 05:29:06 Done, No good Palm Plus or Pixi on Craigslist back ebay Feb 12 05:29:19 that is very not a pixi Feb 12 05:29:28 lol Feb 12 05:29:43 My guess is that the path to 2.x involves a choice between a very cheap Pre 2 and a discount on a Veer or a Pre3. Feb 12 05:30:25 http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_Price=..80%40c&LH_BIN=1&LH_PrefLoc=2&LH_ItemCondition=2&_trkparms=65%253A15%257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&rt=nc&_nkw=Palm+Pre+plus&_dmpt=PDA_Accessories&_mPrRngCbx=1&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=16&_sc=1 Feb 12 05:30:28 * RagingMind is still hoping that the BF likes his pixi, even if it's just as an MP3 player with email Feb 12 05:30:38 Anyone see any good Palm's? Feb 12 05:30:44 Josef_B, here's the thing. IF you can't follow and if/then logic THEN you are not capable of writing a program OTHERWISE you might be capable. Feb 12 05:31:05 +1 Feb 12 05:31:09 lol Feb 12 05:31:09 haha Feb 12 05:31:10 it's not ELSE? Feb 12 05:31:12 Sonny watch ebay for a week. Feb 12 05:31:18 i noticed the if and then in there Feb 12 05:31:21 RagingMind, it depends on the language. Feb 12 05:31:27 I have been watching it all the time Feb 12 05:31:27 boo... Feb 12 05:31:36 Sonny788, ok. Feb 12 05:31:39 I prefer 'else' Feb 12 05:31:50 RagingMind, so do most language designers Feb 12 05:32:14 RagingMind, -- mostly because it's shorter to type Feb 12 05:32:15 I like BUTIFTHATSNOTTHECASE Feb 12 05:32:23 just from having to say/type it out, "else" is much shorter for the same meaning Feb 12 05:32:25 elsif makes me made Feb 12 05:32:41 Sonny788: What network are you on? Feb 12 05:32:57 I won't be using it for a network it does not matter Feb 12 05:33:02 * rick-home likes case statements. Feb 12 05:33:23 Sonny788, then get the $60 one Feb 12 05:33:40 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270704832915&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_2753wt_1004 Feb 12 05:33:42 You mean that one Feb 12 05:33:48 Look for a bad ESN Feb 12 05:33:58 good point Ctbeiser Feb 12 05:34:24 Sonny -- you don't want a pre- do you? Feb 12 05:34:31 What is a Bad ESN i no it does let you use it on a network but what really does it don't do Feb 12 05:34:53 rick-home: No I would like a Pre Plus plz Feb 12 05:35:02 bad esn means that the phone is still attached to an account on a carrier and can not be added to a current account on a carrier Feb 12 05:35:15 ok Feb 12 05:35:18 Thank you Feb 12 05:35:19 Sonny788: if you just want a wifi pre or want to flash it to cricket, it's fine Feb 12 05:35:20 Or that it's been stolen or something. Feb 12 05:35:57 Hmm, Feb 12 05:36:13 Ctbeiser: stolen, damaged or lost and replaced without being shipped back, or just the account ended in bad standing Feb 12 05:36:50 Hmm, So a bad ESN is good if your not going use it for a network right Feb 12 05:36:58 yup Feb 12 05:37:05 hmm :) Feb 12 05:38:37 Just to ask, Is it easy to change the Palm Plus back? Feb 12 05:38:58 There is a Palm Plus on ebay for $60 but the Back is scratches up Feb 12 05:39:17 Is it easy change the Back case? Feb 12 05:40:21 Sorry ask guys Feb 12 05:41:17 Sonny788, that's super easy Feb 12 05:41:26 Thank you Feb 12 05:41:30 just look on amazon/ebay/other for a touchstone cover Feb 12 05:41:36 So ask this stuff i'm new to Palm Feb 12 05:41:42 that's just the backplate over the battery Feb 12 05:41:43 http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Pre-Touchstone-Back-Cover/dp/B002CZQ2JY/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1297488657&sr=8-11 Feb 12 05:41:48 hmm Thank you Feb 12 05:42:16 http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/ZrRlktjVhNIYOVI2.medium Feb 12 05:42:17 Sonny788, yup that would be the item to replace a scratched back plate Feb 12 05:42:21 WOW, It is easy Feb 12 05:42:37 It never that easy on a iPhone LOL Feb 12 05:43:00 the shiny backplate in that picture is because it's an original pre that doesn't have the touchstone cover Feb 12 05:43:36 o ok Feb 12 05:44:39 I may buy this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270704832915&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_2753wt_1004 Feb 12 05:44:56 Then i just buy a brand new Case for the back then it look new :) Feb 12 05:45:17 Sonny788, if that one is in good condition it's a good buy Feb 12 05:45:26 :) Feb 12 05:45:40 but with the pre... something you might not see in a photo is the slider and if it's starting to fail Feb 12 05:45:58 Thank YOU around one for you help it nice see people helping someone new who coming to WebOS Feb 12 05:46:23 it's in my nature Feb 12 05:46:32 :) Feb 12 05:46:44 Before i buy anything i'm coming here ask you guys :) Feb 12 05:46:52 Josef_B, you still here? Feb 12 05:46:59 rick-home yes Feb 12 05:47:10 Josef_B, see private message Feb 12 05:49:13 Hmm, Anyone no if it would be easy install http://cgi.ebay.com/PALM-PRE-PLUS-LCD-DIGITIZER-FACEPLATE-DISPLAY-AT-T-/370483449958?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item564288d066#ht_1065wt_771 Feb 12 05:49:51 No, it wouldn't be. Feb 12 05:49:58 ok Thanks Feb 12 05:53:13 phone isn't being seen by webosdoctor Feb 12 05:53:14 any ideas ? Feb 12 05:55:43 yes Feb 12 05:55:56 i got it Feb 12 05:56:00 Josef_B, go to webos-internals.org and read the instructions there about howto run the doctor Feb 12 05:56:00 volume button up Feb 12 05:56:15 * halfhalo always has idea's... usually involving fire Feb 12 05:56:18 yea .. didn't work i had to go to recovery Feb 12 05:58:15 Sonny788: You might consider trying out the webOS emulator before dropping change on a device Feb 12 05:58:25 Yeah, i have it Feb 12 06:07:06 Is the App Store Good on Web OS? Feb 12 06:08:00 Sonny788 its called app catalog Feb 12 06:08:08 Sonny788 lets just say its not a app store or a andorid market Feb 12 06:08:30 Sonny788 install preware when you get it Feb 12 06:08:38 Patch it up :D Feb 12 06:09:16 Sonny788 multiasking alone and universial search .. if webos was advertised right it would probably take over .. true multitasking is so awesome in webos Feb 12 06:09:19 patches make my Prē usable Feb 12 06:09:34 Oh, you just had to go and stick in the long e, didn't you? Feb 12 06:09:55 w00t 1.4.5 :D Feb 12 06:10:21 Thanks Feb 12 06:11:20 wow, alert() is damn handy Feb 12 06:12:01 Sonny788 what device are you coming from again ? Feb 12 06:12:11 iPhone Feb 12 06:12:18 aw then Feb 12 06:12:38 I still use my iPhone all the time it just something for me play around with Feb 12 06:12:39 your gonna have to get used to the keyboard and the app catalog .. thats about it Feb 12 06:12:50 Thanks Feb 12 06:12:55 Sonny788 i think the palm pre will outshine your iphone Feb 12 06:13:10 lol ok Feb 12 06:19:22 * sugardave needs to come up with a better component organization scheme. Feb 12 06:21:22 Josef_B: is this what you were talking about before http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2171/wosqi4.png Feb 12 06:21:51 zomg wosqi mentioned :p Feb 12 06:29:14 JayCanuck: is wifi installing coming anytime soon? Feb 12 06:29:47 ssh support is planned and extension of connection options was planned with 4.0's re-write :) Feb 12 06:30:17 so it's already there? or it's coming soon? Feb 12 06:31:01 it's coming, but the current code is designed to it can be added relatively easily Feb 12 06:31:07 sweet Feb 12 06:31:14 that'll be awesome Feb 12 06:32:18 night everyone Feb 12 06:32:26 g'nite tibfib Feb 12 06:35:29 JayCanuck, the wosqi 4 screenshot is very cool. Feb 12 06:37:14 :) Feb 12 06:41:18 question .. i think webos-inernals is sleep .. does webosdoctor remove your internal storage or just the operating system ? Feb 12 06:41:40 sometimes Feb 12 06:41:54 i can't find something Feb 12 06:41:56 I believe usually, it doesn't though Feb 12 06:42:14 though apps get removed (or at least for me they do) Feb 12 06:42:28 most updates dont Feb 12 06:42:32 yea but its not brining back anything Feb 12 06:42:36 but updates like 135 did Feb 12 06:42:43 restore application data is 0 Feb 12 06:43:22 no govnah or anythin Feb 12 06:43:27 just redownload ? Feb 12 06:44:00 homebrew apps aren't restored by the Palm Backup restoration Feb 12 06:44:01 yep Feb 12 06:44:11 save/restore does a somewhat ok job Feb 12 06:44:16 JayCanuck not using palm backup Feb 12 06:44:16 using save/restore Feb 12 06:44:20 aw ok Feb 12 06:44:28 well, palm backup only saves catalog apps Feb 12 06:44:30 and all your cookies Feb 12 06:44:35 even those for non-catalog apps Feb 12 06:44:40 (its been my experience anyways) Feb 12 06:44:55 and preware doesn't save catalog apps Feb 12 06:45:01 its a 2-piece system for total backup :) Feb 12 06:54:00 How much do you guys think the TouchPad we be i no Palm has not said how much but how much you guys think Feb 12 06:54:24 there are way to many much's in that sentence Feb 12 06:54:26 I was thinking about $600 what about you Feb 12 06:54:27 AUD$1K Feb 12 06:54:49 LOL Feb 12 06:55:27 How much do you guys think the TouchPad will be? Feb 12 06:56:01 $600-$700 US Feb 12 06:56:18 :) Feb 12 06:56:23 Sonny788: I'm deadly serious - that is how much it will cost here if it is ever released here. Feb 12 06:57:03 :) Yeah in US Feb 12 06:57:27 Does anyone no what Month it may come out? Feb 12 06:57:43 march Feb 12 06:57:47 2012 Feb 12 06:58:01 WHAT?? 2012 no ;( :( i want one now Feb 12 06:58:12 tough Feb 12 06:58:22 if you dont get your hopes up you wont be disappointed :) Feb 12 06:58:28 Why Palm i mean HP Feb 12 06:58:37 ill be pleasantly surprised when its before march 2012 Feb 12 06:58:49 I was going buy it with my iPad 2 :) Feb 12 06:59:45 You'll need two iPad 2's to buy a TouchPad Feb 12 07:00:04 lol Feb 12 07:00:23 No i was going buy a iPad 2 then if the Palm out i buy that at the same time Feb 12 07:00:28 I keep calling it an iFad. I blame Futurama. Feb 12 07:00:42 with the iEye? Feb 12 07:01:00 I think it was eyePhone? Feb 12 07:01:04 right Feb 12 07:01:06 that was it Feb 12 07:01:15 as soon as i typed iEye i knew it was wrong :) Feb 12 07:01:20 The iFad was a later episode. Feb 12 07:01:24 iEye captain Feb 12 07:02:59 http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/02/11/hp-touchpad-699-in-june/ Feb 12 07:03:06 There saying $700 in June Feb 12 07:03:09 :) that more like it Feb 12 07:03:42 Yep, advertising revenue funded tech blog sites are always right. Feb 12 07:04:05 lol Feb 12 07:04:10 LOL Feb 12 07:04:11 well, to be fair Feb 12 07:04:14 june was on the first page Feb 12 07:04:18 and 700 on the second Feb 12 07:04:38 I hope it does come out in June :) :) Feb 12 07:05:02 I hope for... pie Feb 12 07:05:04 JayCanuck: let me know when you upload the last one and I'll start pushing them through. Feb 12 07:05:17 will do :) Feb 12 07:06:36 yeah, webos2 needs more patches then just "boom action time" :) Feb 12 07:07:56 ooo Feb 12 07:08:33 should I not submit patches that use the un-released SysToolsMgr and FileMgr? Feb 12 07:09:08 I'll skip them for now Feb 12 07:09:18 probably best not to release something thats unusable Feb 12 07:09:32 both services are node-rewrites? Feb 12 07:09:50 yea Feb 12 07:09:54 nice Feb 12 07:10:54 weeeee node! Feb 12 07:11:08 node is awesome Feb 12 07:11:18 * halfhalo is using it for the pp rewrite Feb 12 07:11:25 pp? Feb 12 07:11:30 patches portal Feb 12 07:11:33 ah Feb 12 07:11:36 sweet! :) Feb 12 07:13:43 * halfhalo currently is working on the templating system Feb 12 07:14:40 lol Feb 12 07:15:40 * halfhalo added a bit since oil last saw it Feb 12 07:15:56 moving forward is good Feb 12 07:17:13 meh, not needed Feb 12 07:23:29 * halfhalo is done coding for the night Feb 12 07:26:17 hi all whats the best kernal ? warthog? Feb 12 07:27:02 * halfhalo has popcorn Feb 12 07:27:42 is popcorn a kernal? Feb 12 07:27:45 lol Feb 12 07:27:53 guess it starts as oone Feb 12 07:28:50 popcorn is more kernal than kernel Feb 12 07:29:43 rwitby I noticed your name on several things I have added to my phone...much appreciated Feb 12 07:30:28 rwhitby is the man Feb 12 07:30:57 oil I also I have seen you in forums giving answers to those in need Feb 12 07:31:04 me? never Feb 12 07:31:07 hehe Feb 12 07:31:08 oil is the woman Feb 12 07:31:12 aw Feb 12 07:31:17 now give me my danged answers Feb 12 07:31:26 * hlfhlo|away lulz Feb 12 07:31:27 the answer is SPK Feb 12 07:31:29 F14 is the best kernel Feb 12 07:31:33 xD Feb 12 07:31:44 oh, yeah, I forgot about SPK. Feb 12 07:31:48 lol Feb 12 07:31:55 SPK is the best kernel. Just ask Caj. Feb 12 07:31:58 spk or f14 Feb 12 07:32:05 I got a pixi Feb 12 07:32:08 * hlfhlo|away laughs Feb 12 07:32:10 spk is a joke Feb 12 07:32:18 now I sound like im a woman havin a pixi Feb 12 07:32:25 is there a f** kernel for pixi? Feb 12 07:32:32 thought only warthog was on pixi Feb 12 07:32:36 DJNomad: download the Preware Homebrew Documentation app from the official app catalog, and follow the overclocking instructions therein. Feb 12 07:32:51 :/ Feb 12 07:33:04 thing is I am without .99 to get it Feb 12 07:33:41 I got a pocket full of money and bottle full of norcos tho lol Feb 12 07:34:01 dont have a credit card and my paypal only has 60 c on it now Feb 12 07:34:18 you should fix that Feb 12 07:34:38 yeah I should but.. Feb 12 07:34:50 DJNomad: Install Preware, then Govnah, then UberKernel. Select the defaults for everything (including when Preware tells you to reboot). Then select a profile from Govnah. Feb 12 07:35:01 jobless except some odd computer work I get or odd jobs Feb 12 07:35:31 I got uberkernal but govnah didnt let me go over 60mhz Feb 12 07:35:41 600* Feb 12 07:36:03 UberKernel on Pixi goes to 804MHz. Feb 12 07:36:22 I got the uber first maybe that was the issue Feb 12 07:36:40 you didn't let Preware reboot when it advised you, that's the issue. Feb 12 07:36:49 oh Feb 12 07:37:22 kk I will preware uninstall both adn reinstall them following the prompts thistime lol Feb 12 07:37:46 anyone try out google os for pc yet ? Feb 12 07:37:50 its a joke Feb 12 07:38:10 I tried it earlier and nearly made me sick Feb 12 07:38:12 DJNomad: just reboot your phone. that is all. Feb 12 07:38:31 rebooting as of few mins ago Feb 12 07:39:04 started the reboot before I said I was going to reinstall all,as I know that usually fixes most issues Feb 12 07:40:09 welcome haeffb Feb 12 07:40:20 welcome dgathright Feb 12 07:40:27 you need to reboot to activate a new kernel Feb 12 07:40:31 welcome SineOt Feb 12 07:40:47 djnomad: yo Feb 12 07:41:18 SineOt: your name looks familiar..forums maybe? Feb 12 07:41:40 hey hey Feb 12 07:41:46 Possibly? I 'unno Feb 12 07:42:10 you make any apps? Feb 12 07:42:22 yup Feb 12 07:42:31 thats prolly it Feb 12 07:42:45 anyone see thereis going to be a web os tablet? Feb 12 07:42:47 Squish Remote for Boxee Feb 12 07:42:58 DJNomad: uh, yeah, of course :p Feb 12 07:43:11 DJNomad: orly? any other news from HP about new phones? Feb 12 07:43:17 I seen yesterday and I am super excited Feb 12 07:43:34 heh Feb 12 07:43:47 nah I am not really a great source of the latest Feb 12 07:44:00 just repeat things that get me excited lol Feb 12 07:44:40 I like the lash thing on webos 2.0 but unfortunately it dont look like pixi will be able to do it from what i read Feb 12 07:44:53 flash not lash Feb 12 07:45:19 nope, but that's Adobe's fault Feb 12 07:45:35 I despise adobe Feb 12 07:45:57 their pdf reader is rediculously overeight compared to foxit Feb 12 07:46:13 overweight* Feb 12 07:46:24 ArmV6 won't get Flash, ArmV7 will: So Pre, Pre+, Pre2, Pre3, Veer, TouchPad will get it, but no Pixi Feb 12 07:46:54 arm is he processor? Feb 12 07:47:03 yes Feb 12 07:47:26 I got the sprint pixi Feb 12 07:47:46 its sick how much better the other carriers versions are compared Feb 12 07:47:53 (no wifi) Feb 12 07:47:58 eh Feb 12 07:48:05 That's what I've got P: Feb 12 07:48:17 sprint pixi? Feb 12 07:49:25 yup Feb 12 07:49:34 rebooted and still stuck at 600mhz Feb 12 07:49:50 maybe I need to add the kernal after govnah ? Feb 12 07:50:05 uber was added 2 days ago govnah tonight Feb 12 07:50:17 no Feb 12 07:50:26 but if you didn't clean reboot it'll return to default Feb 12 07:50:41 you'll need to make a profile in Govnah if you're trying to actually overclock it Feb 12 07:51:03 I got one named nomad Feb 12 07:53:13 I go mine all messed up,added feed that are invalid so everytime I open preware get a bunch of errors,I might as well take it to the doctor Feb 12 07:53:36 is there a doctor that returns it to 1.45? Feb 12 07:53:56 only one I could find made it 1.3 or something like that Feb 12 07:55:48 er, yes. Go to the Palm site and enter your serial, you'll get the latest Feb 12 07:56:07 awesome thx Feb 12 07:57:21 there are links on webosinternals wiki Feb 12 07:57:24 search for "doctor versions" Feb 12 07:57:38 This month, I used... 1.4GB of 3G data! :V Feb 12 08:00:32 getting close sineot Feb 12 08:00:49 I done the triple start thing to try it out Feb 12 08:01:08 hadnt heard of it so figured I w ry it to get famliar with it Feb 12 08:01:29 triple start thing? Feb 12 08:01:49 hold power button and toggle the silent button 3 times Feb 12 08:01:56 what for? Feb 12 08:02:18 its listed in "getting your phone to work again" process Feb 12 08:02:54 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pixi/pixi/sprint/solutions/article/66394_en.html Feb 12 08:03:12 ah Feb 12 08:05:04 SineOt: http://i52.tinypic.com/xzh4p.png Feb 12 08:05:14 wonder what happened there Feb 12 08:05:29 * oil cant remember Feb 12 08:05:49 what D: Feb 12 08:06:05 thats my usage Feb 12 08:07:29 at the start of the diagram is it showing that you hit the "unlimited" mark nearly? Feb 12 08:07:34 how did you manage to use that much in a month? Feb 12 08:07:45 i think unlimited moves as it goes up Feb 12 08:08:18 I noticed on my comcast page that I have a limit of 300gig a month Feb 12 08:08:35 i think its when i stopped using pandora all the time in my car Feb 12 08:08:48 i wouldn't think it was that much Feb 12 08:09:36 I got the unlimited with sprint,I hope there isnt a actual limit Feb 12 08:10:17 my aunt got a usb dongle from att for her computer and after a month her overages made her cancel it Feb 12 08:10:23 i thought unlimited meant 5gb? Feb 12 08:10:33 att doesnt have unlmited tht I know of tho Feb 12 08:10:56 unlimited in theory should me without limits Feb 12 08:12:50 in my area (anderson,In) sprint has some service holes my aunt doesnt have with her att iphone but I am happy with my phone and service compared to her deal as a whole Feb 12 08:14:05 * oil googles Feb 12 08:14:06 http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/006995.html Feb 12 08:14:24 "And with that, Sprint is no longer the only provider to offer truly unlimited EVDO data. AT&T and Verizon Wireless have both had five-gigabyte caps in place for quite some time now and Sprint's previously-unlimited data plan at $60 per month was a downright steal." Feb 12 08:15:47 yeah, unlimited is just 5GB really Feb 12 08:17:04 I guess i will watch my usage on the sprint website Feb 12 08:17:22 is that even possible,I know you can your minutes Feb 12 08:17:38 thats where that screencap is from Feb 12 08:17:59 ahh i see hx Feb 12 08:18:07 thx* Feb 12 08:18:11 np Feb 12 08:20:11 wtf... $700 for a TouchPad Feb 12 08:20:13 ugh. Feb 12 08:20:36 hah, where did they announce pricing for it? Feb 12 08:20:56 rumors? Feb 12 08:21:25 i dont think they announced it Feb 12 08:21:57 their new strategy to simply write the big name apps for the other companies is a good move though Feb 12 08:22:01 yeah, they kept saying it was "unknown" and stuff Feb 12 08:22:03 yeah it is Feb 12 08:22:24 it breaks the whole "need users to get big names, need big names to get users" problem Feb 12 08:22:35 things have been a mix of like, awesome news and kind of crappy news Feb 12 08:22:51 lol Feb 12 08:22:56 the 2.0 OTA thing is pretty crappy, but that app development thing is awesome Feb 12 08:23:11 what else was crappy? Feb 12 08:23:11 although the worst of all of them... is the Veer being GSM only! FFFFFFF >:O Feb 12 08:23:21 date to release? Feb 12 08:23:30 i cant think of anything else Feb 12 08:23:54 well, yeah, date to release is kind of iffy and it's not exactly confidence building to see how ultra alpha the TouchPad is right now Feb 12 08:24:24 no pinch to zoom in the photo app, camera doesn't work, music app is non-existent Feb 12 08:25:13 they do got 6 months :) Feb 12 08:25:45 yeah, they do, hah Feb 12 08:26:10 nobody will buy a $700 touchpad Feb 12 08:26:19 least nobody in their right mind Feb 12 08:26:42 you can get a generic android one from ebay fr 70 bucks Feb 12 08:27:04 and you'll get something that's one step above a pile of shit Feb 12 08:27:11 true Feb 12 08:27:30 I would get at least a samsung one or something like that Feb 12 08:27:44 but they are only 130 or so i think Feb 12 08:27:44 rockin' a resistive touchscreen, no Android Market, slow processor Feb 12 08:27:51 yeah, on contract Feb 12 08:28:07 so you end up paying something closer to like 2300 by the end of everything Feb 12 08:28:22 ohh I havent looked into it real good obviously Feb 12 08:28:49 :) Feb 12 08:28:52 I dont want one cellulary connective Feb 12 08:28:54 if you buy it off contract it's closer to like, 700 Feb 12 08:29:08 well good luck with that, there's no Wifi Galaxy Tab Feb 12 08:29:17 cell bill is high enough as it is lol Feb 12 08:30:40 its looking as my pad dreams are gettign more like a nightmare Feb 12 08:30:45 yeah, if you buy it off contract/prepaid it's 599 Feb 12 08:30:53 and the Galaxy Tab isn't even that great of a tablet anyways Feb 12 08:31:05 what about the motorola one ? Feb 12 08:31:27 the Xoom? lol Feb 12 08:31:33 yep lol Feb 12 08:31:54 800 bucks, and you can't use the Wifi until you buy at least a month of Verizon Data Feb 12 08:32:07 one I read about lst night had a os unique to it Feb 12 08:32:45 not android,apple,or webos Feb 12 08:33:22 that really narrows it down :T Feb 12 08:33:33 something new Feb 12 08:33:42 hmm Feb 12 08:33:50 ah yeah that one! Feb 12 08:33:55 lol Feb 12 08:34:00 jerk Feb 12 08:34:06 * sugardave converts some debug methods. Feb 12 08:35:14 the site was saying in their opinion the web os tab was going to be the best,intheir opinion webos is way better than android Feb 12 08:41:58 "Rim Playbook" is the other one I was thinking of I believe Feb 12 08:42:11 rim is blackberry? Feb 12 08:42:15 yes Feb 12 08:42:39 the Playbook is pretty dumb, it's annoying that they still haven't said anything about battery life Feb 12 08:43:01 and the demo tablets they've shown off have been saying they'd be getting like... 4 and a half hours of life Feb 12 08:45:40 this site I am looking at now said the hp tab is rumored to launch in march with the wifi model Feb 12 08:46:08 it's not Feb 12 08:46:18 they're aiming for early Summer Feb 12 08:46:29 others I have read say summer Feb 12 08:48:06 they said summer at the developer event wednesday :p Feb 12 08:52:27 Hey Guys Feb 12 08:52:27 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonny788/5437687369/ Feb 12 08:52:51 Check out my Mac Desktop palm dekstop ;) Feb 12 08:53:01 lol Feb 12 08:56:08 looks good if thats your thing Feb 12 08:56:28 bland for my taste but it is clean and professional Feb 12 08:56:39 Thanks Feb 12 08:56:45 I still think my My Little Pony one is the best :T Feb 12 08:57:03 I do like how it looks like the window is sitting on a table Feb 12 08:58:02 do we have any image editing pros in the room? Feb 12 08:58:22 depends on what you define as pro Feb 12 08:58:30 I am about to go all in and learn either gimp or photoshop Feb 12 08:58:50 I been playin w gimp for years now and still get confused Feb 12 08:59:12 probably due in large part to GIMP being, well, confusing and generally terrible Feb 12 08:59:28 at times it wont let me paint something..acts like it has a shield on it or something Feb 12 08:59:31 gimp never makes sense to me Feb 12 08:59:38 but photoshop i've used for years Feb 12 08:59:55 GIMP is an example of open source gone wrong in a lot of cases Feb 12 09:00:02 so my best bet would be start using photoshop? Feb 12 09:00:17 Generally, yeah. Feb 12 09:00:36 Photoshop Elements is cheap and does 99% of what you'll need to do. Feb 12 09:01:07 does photoshop have "script fu" like stuff? example file>new.create.web banner Feb 12 09:01:57 then gimp has ten or more styles you can use like chrome,glow etc Feb 12 09:02:25 I should just gett photoshop and figure it out for myself I guess Feb 12 09:02:53 no Feb 12 09:03:05 be nearly impossible for me to explain correctly what I am wanting to do Feb 12 09:03:59 I am a web designer and I use gimp to make navigation buttons and top banners Feb 12 09:04:18 I am not a great web designer Feb 12 09:04:44 you can build your own macros Feb 12 09:05:18 very very beginner but have done a couple of professional paying jobs and many charitable ones for a couple Christian sites Feb 12 09:05:53 im not clear what "build your own macros" means Feb 12 09:07:09 mm, to say... Build a button. Feb 12 09:07:10 a macro in my mind is actions you create with imacros or other progs like that to take some cliccking out of websites Feb 12 09:07:17 ahh ok Feb 12 09:08:13 scenicseekers.com is a site I build last week Feb 12 09:09:00 it is by far fancy but the client wanted it bland like that cause her customers are generally 60 yr olds Feb 12 09:09:46 * SineOt put this together like two weeks ago... http://www.ruddersquish.com/ Feb 12 09:10:26 Showin' off my app Feb 12 09:10:32 Or at least one of them Feb 12 09:10:53 thats pretty nice Feb 12 09:11:14 one I showed took about 2 weeks also Feb 12 09:11:17 I've got a billion ideas for it do in Enyo Feb 12 09:11:25 :) Feb 12 09:12:17 I hadnt done any webdesign in a year and I went through many progs trying to get one that I was comfortable with Feb 12 09:12:27 what did you end up using? Feb 12 09:12:42 * oil always thinks a website with no css is where its at Feb 12 09:12:49 I ended up using microsoft web expressions Feb 12 09:12:53 4 Feb 12 09:12:56 just, however

etc looks is good enough Feb 12 09:13:13 lol, oil Feb 12 09:13:23

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just tossed all over the place Feb 12 09:13:33 * oil likes things to be simple and functional Feb 12 09:13:44 in the end I had issues with the text not lining up like it should on different computers Feb 12 09:14:05 yeah, probably looked awesome in ie though amirite? Feb 12 09:14:17 you can have simple and functional without falling back on the ancient

default styles :p Feb 12 09:14:26 haha Feb 12 09:15:07 ok, so maybe a little bit more Feb 12 09:15:09 with mine the customer used ie on wo computers and they was both different Feb 12 09:15:37 wo=two Feb 12 09:16:30 I ned to look into seeing if you can makke a page that detects resolution and adjust accordingly Feb 12 09:17:06 you can Feb 12 09:17:23 yeah Feb 12 09:17:31 by not declaring everything in absolutes Feb 12 09:17:46 reading this code has broken something deep in me ;_; Feb 12 09:18:29 Afternoon, ladies and gents. Feb 12 09:18:32 * TMStage waves Feb 12 09:18:36 and lots of tags Feb 12 09:18:48 haha Feb 12 09:18:49 hello Feb 12 09:19:06 Hey there! Feb 12 09:19:14 oic Feb 12 09:19:33 Was wondering, I don't suppose there'll be any Ares guys in here? Feb 12 09:20:16 make a table for lets say the bold trip name price having it center justified then a new tble for the trip info? Feb 12 09:20:19 * gour wonders if webOS is ready to accept all Meego refugees :-) Feb 12 09:20:32 Pft-ahahaha Feb 12 09:20:35 Anyways Feb 12 09:20:50 oil: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Feb 12 09:20:57 meego refugees?/ fnny play on words kinda Feb 12 09:21:20 I was wondering, since my coding isn't exactly up to scratch, could I get just a little bit of assistance to get me going in the right direction? Feb 12 09:21:50 I'd be more worried about the swarm of Symbian refugees... Although I'm glad that Nokia is finally admit that Symbian is a dead horse Feb 12 09:21:53 that is also on fire Feb 12 09:21:55 and sinking Feb 12 09:22:07 TMStage: ,I am a new person in this irc as of tonight and the people have been great to me Feb 12 09:22:17 nokia is dead...m$ trojan horse did it Feb 12 09:22:21 DJNomad: Oh, wonderful, I'm glad to hear it! Feb 12 09:22:35 haha Feb 12 09:22:36 yeah Feb 12 09:22:45 Nokia is dead because Nokia happened P: Feb 12 09:23:02 And to think, just a couple years ago, they were indomitable. Feb 12 09:23:07 I came in and seen names I seen on apps and highly respect them Feb 12 09:23:17 so, now it's good time to push webOS a little bit Feb 12 09:23:36 Definitely. Time's ripe. Feb 12 09:24:09 it would be cool if new phones could arrive earlier than summer Feb 12 09:24:17 yeah it would Feb 12 09:24:34 Yeah, I was a little disappointed in that. They said at the Dev event that it was to "give devs time to get ahead of the game" Feb 12 09:24:34 gour: well, veer is spring.. Feb 12 09:24:44 sad thing is that WP7 is better than Symbian^3 Feb 12 09:24:56 destinal: with pre3 and touchpad in summer? Feb 12 09:25:02 oil: correct Feb 12 09:25:02 or was pre3 sprint, too? Feb 12 09:25:04 wa Feb 12 09:25:08 aw* Feb 12 09:25:17 too bad it wont be on sprint Feb 12 09:25:21 when i read about contact syncing, m,$ exchange is often mentioned...how it does/should work for linux/freebsd users? Feb 12 09:25:40 Pre3 is CDMA/GSM but I don't think they said anything about carriers Feb 12 09:25:41 destinal: pre3 is 'bigger' guy, right? Feb 12 09:25:41 oil: yeah, I doubt it will be sprint, I think us sprint folks will have to stick with comm board swapped pre2's Feb 12 09:25:50 SineOt: With that loadout, I would imagine Verizon. Feb 12 09:25:51 gour: yes Feb 12 09:25:56 gour: m$ sounds really really stupid, just so you know :I Feb 12 09:25:59 * oil needs another sprint pre- to swap Feb 12 09:26:20 i managed to screw up my dev pre's evdo connection Feb 12 09:26:43 oil: Hey, you seem like a pretty knowledgable guy. Could you give me probably a minute or two of your time? Feb 12 09:26:46 oil: did you get ripped off by the person who sold you the "clean ESN" one not having removed it from his account? Feb 12 09:26:53 has anyone put a pixi plus network adapter in a sprint pixi ? Feb 12 09:27:00 DJNomad: yes Feb 12 09:27:03 TMStage: i saw your initial request about ares, unfortunately i don't use it Feb 12 09:27:05 DJNomad: many people Feb 12 09:27:06 I heard you could get wifi that way on it Feb 12 09:27:08 so i won't be terribly helpful Feb 12 09:27:20 oil: Oh okay. Ah well. Do you know if it's roughly the same coding? Feb 12 09:27:28 what do you mean? Feb 12 09:27:30 * TMStage isn't very experienced with Ares, as you can tell xD Feb 12 09:27:45 ares and writing mojo are pretty different Feb 12 09:27:46 oil: I mean, does Ares use a different code base than the normal SDK Feb 12 09:27:46 guess I will look for a pixi plus on ebay that is "broken" Feb 12 09:27:54 Oh, well, that's not good. :I Feb 12 09:28:22 and enyo is different yet Feb 12 09:28:24 but close to ares Feb 12 09:28:35 and i believe enyo will work with ares2 or whatever they got coming Feb 12 09:28:36 ares was easier to sart with for me (a beginner) Feb 12 09:28:46 Which reminds me, I keep neglecting to get into the early experience program Feb 12 09:28:54 Or whatever it's called Feb 12 09:28:55 I found just going in to Mojo was easier Feb 12 09:29:06 Ares will generate enyo code soon Feb 12 09:29:06 but I was going in completely cold, no JS knowledge Feb 12 09:29:51 brb Feb 12 09:29:53 SineOt: i agree...it's 'bad habit' from linux world :-( Feb 12 09:30:32 Which means ares can be used to basically write first class enyo apps (unlike the current state of ares which has helper javascript to build the DOM on the fly etc and works differently than typical SDK written code would) Feb 12 09:31:31 Well, I guess I might as well put my question out there, for anyone to answer, if they can: In Ares, how can one overlay a webpage onto a frame? I seem to be having issues with it. Granted, I have something like no JS experience, and I'm basically diving into the deep end, but any help is appreciated. Feb 12 09:33:11 ... Feb 12 09:33:22 And I basically answered my own question by spending the whole of twenty seconds in the forums. Feb 12 09:33:24 * TMStage headdesks. Feb 12 09:33:31 meego was potentially offering ability to use same qt codebase to have multi-platform app (we plan to use D for the desktop)...webOS is quite different paradigm if one shifts away from html5/JS? Feb 12 09:34:28 TMStage: you may want to get teamviewer and if someone has time and has teamviewer they can remote login to you and show you Feb 12 09:34:29 webos has qt support Feb 12 09:34:33 i dont know how maintained it is Feb 12 09:34:46 http://git.webos-internals.org/ Feb 12 09:34:48 DJNomad: Great idea. Thanks! Feb 12 09:34:51 see qt/ repos Feb 12 09:36:22 sorry to be off topic but google web os has a program you can sign up for and if chosen you get a netbook with their os installed to test and give them feedback Feb 12 09:36:26 http://goo.gl/ciShl Feb 12 09:36:36 theres the link for those interesed Feb 12 09:37:35 I learned abouut the prog today through our local "google fiber" facebook fanpage Feb 12 09:39:29 I instlled the google os on my inspiron 6000 and couldnt get wireless to work on it so I a not so much of a fan of their os right now Feb 12 09:39:53 basically the os is open suse Feb 12 09:40:32 I am more familiar with debian based linux than whatever suse is Feb 12 09:41:04 debian based would nearly auto install the drivers needed with a couple promts Feb 12 09:42:22 interesting post & comments - http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2011/02/you-can-make-difference.html Feb 12 09:44:01 DJNomad: lol one of the answers to "What do you use to listen to music most often" is "Dude with a guitar on the corner" Feb 12 09:45:12 lol,yeah I liked that also Feb 12 09:46:08 I done a complete hard drive install on my laptop and I got nowhere near a 10 second boot Feb 12 09:46:22 although my lappy is about 6 yr old Feb 12 09:46:44 but compared to those 12 inch ones it should be about on par Feb 12 09:48:54 oil: interestingly, LunaSysMgr in 2.0 is actually based on Qt Feb 12 09:49:10 no sign of how you could leverage that in apps though Feb 12 09:50:54 http://getchrome.eu/download.php there is the link to get a actual google os image if interested Feb 12 09:52:11 destinal: you seem knowledgable w linux,you have any idea how to get my broadcom wireless to work ? Feb 12 09:52:28 sorry for hijacking the topic Feb 12 09:52:48 DJNomad: what's the model number of the BCM card you're using? Feb 12 09:52:52 i'm sure nobody is REAL mad Feb 12 09:53:54 440x Feb 12 09:54:11 I believe at least Feb 12 09:54:59 the 4401 is a wireless 100bTX Feb 12 09:55:15 wire-less is what i meant Feb 12 09:55:18 lol Feb 12 09:55:22 ACK Feb 12 09:55:29 4401 is a wired. Feb 12 09:55:37 fuck me i can't type tonigh Feb 12 09:55:48 * Orithma gives up. Feb 12 09:57:11 http://goo.gl/ooOJX is my dell support drivers page Feb 12 09:57:39 DJNomad: http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/AeroKaizer/photos-temp-1jpg-1.jpg Hey, tell me what you think? It's just a WebView and a title, but it's still being worked on. How's the layout? Feb 12 09:57:39 440x is what everything inside me says it is Feb 12 09:58:24 ... can't you lspci in a terminal window? Feb 12 09:58:43 TMStage: that looks great to me Feb 12 09:58:54 DJNomad: Grazie. I'll keep at it Feb 12 09:59:20 Orithma: I am not even familiar with open suse enough to figure out how to get to a terminal Feb 12 09:59:43 heh Feb 12 10:00:42 well from the dell support page, you have either a intel 2915 or a 2200 Feb 12 10:00:49 not a bcm4401 Feb 12 10:00:52 I was able to find bw4 cutter in the sofware manager and it was suppose to help install windows drivers but downloading it was as far as I got with that,couldnt figure out where to go from therre lol Feb 12 10:01:14 you seriously can't find a terminal window? Feb 12 10:02:34 Orithma: yes after looking at it after you saying that the broadcom is the regular net adaptor Feb 12 10:03:16 I can throw the cd in and run it live if you have the time and want me to Feb 12 10:03:30 im running win 7 right now Feb 12 10:04:24 it's all good Feb 12 10:04:31 i'm hitting the sack Feb 12 10:04:49 im adhd,I am trying to overclock my pixi,remaster windows 7 via rtse7evlite and talking about google os at the same time lol Feb 12 10:04:54 kk night bro Feb 12 10:05:33 RTSe7verlite is a pretty amazing lil prog Feb 12 10:06:30 being able to slipstream your product number onto the install disk is reason enough to use it Feb 12 10:06:47 also you are able to make usb install disk from it Feb 12 10:06:58 tho microsoft has a tool for that also Feb 12 12:30:50 hi Feb 12 12:32:13 so any actual dev relations people about? Feb 12 13:35:07 hm.. does anybody could give an easy code sample on how to best "wait" for a service call back in a pdk application? Feb 12 13:46:16 Garfonso: I'm not a PDK guy, but if it's anything like SDK you don't "wait", you tell it what function you want it to run when it's done... Feb 12 13:48:28 yes sure. But that's not always what you want... Feb 12 13:49:16 I'll have to think about that again.. hm.. Feb 12 14:01:34 heh, would you pay 699 for a webos tab? Feb 12 14:04:45 that's quite a lot.. Feb 12 14:06:37 One of our sources has just provided us with new information surrounding the launch of the recently unveiled HP TouchPad. It’s been communicated to us that HP is (or was — it’s not clear if things have recently changed) planning on having the TouchPad in market before the end of June. We’ve also been told pricing should be $699; slightly less than Motorola’s $799 XOOM. How does June and $699 sound for an HP TouchPad? Feb 12 14:06:51 http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/11/hp-touchpad-planned-for-june-priced-at-699/ Feb 12 14:06:55 very interesting Feb 12 14:09:14 what about pre3/veer pricing? Feb 12 14:09:24 june sounds quite good.. but I'm still not sure if I really need a tablet at all (I also have a more or less unused notebook).. so $699 might be too much for me personally. I might considering getting a Veer then additionally to the pre3 which is a must have for me. ;) Feb 12 14:13:25 not sure on the phones but one will prob be 199 sub on contracr, verr prob 100-150 on contract Feb 12 14:13:50 unless they are agressive, veer could be 50 or even free Feb 12 14:14:31 today I would have paid $699. In June...who knows... Feb 12 14:15:06 i bought the nookcolor, and rooted it, takes 10 minutes Feb 12 14:15:21 for 250 it makes an awesome tab Feb 12 14:15:27 till june Feb 12 14:16:05 lappy wasnt happy with me though, it was sad i leave it on my desk now:/ Feb 12 14:17:49 * gour is interested for unlocked phone Feb 12 14:18:31 I need to get our office a few bags that can carry a work system and several tablets Feb 12 14:19:10 I figure well have one of each flavor going forward, Ipad, AndroidPad, Playbook and PalmPad Feb 12 14:19:59 for dev purposes Feb 12 14:20:02 :/ Feb 12 14:20:12 Playbook looks great, too. But I hope that touchpad will arrive over here earlier than Playbook.. ;) Feb 12 14:20:22 hehe Feb 12 14:20:23 Playbook is saying march Feb 12 14:20:28 so I doubt it will happen Feb 12 14:21:06 unless HP is like "ENYO face, we were just kidding about this whole wait till summer thing" and launches Feb 12 14:21:27 That's right.. Feb 12 14:21:35 see what I did there? Feb 12 14:21:47 hehe, yes. ;) Feb 12 14:22:49 If you ever need an android tab for dev purposes, I recommend android Feb 12 14:22:55 recommend nook color* Feb 12 14:22:59 cheap Feb 12 14:24:39 I'm still hoping for a Pre2 with germant (QWERTZ) keyboard layout.. that would allow me to better abuse my old pre for dev purposes. ;) Feb 12 14:26:06 in a few months I am sure you will get a Pre3 with the qwertz keyboard Feb 12 14:27:03 The magnetic hooks on the veer are interesting, I wonder if its really a space requirement, or just a way to get you to buy a special connector/cables to make up for its low end cost Feb 12 14:27:11 very interesting, cool though Feb 12 14:28:01 I'm still not so sure about it... especially about the earplug-connector... I fear that it will too easily disconnect. Feb 12 14:28:31 that would be a pain for people which are using the phone as mobile mp3player.. Feb 12 14:29:44 on the other hand it's a very cool idea and something you can show off a bit... touchstoune already makes some people jealous. Feb 12 14:30:26 maybe I'll get a veer later in the year for my girlfried, just to have a look at these connectors. ;) Feb 12 15:26:47 Adora: can you help me out with my app submission? I need the current one pushed or rejected (pushed preferably) so I can submit an update Feb 12 15:27:07 actually, either rejected or pushed works Feb 12 15:33:21 Tibfib its saturday Feb 12 15:33:31 i dont think they are working Feb 12 15:33:32 she's here though.. Feb 12 15:33:37 just in case Feb 12 15:33:40 lol Feb 12 15:34:19 hay Feb 12 15:51:56 anyone in here who can get me my early access access? Feb 12 15:52:58 for early access, email pdc@palm.com Feb 12 15:53:44 did that Feb 12 15:53:59 now waiting for any reaction Feb 12 16:01:03 joetweeply: i told you it would take some days Feb 12 16:01:03 Chuq (the person who answers those emails) is probably very busy right now Feb 12 16:01:06 chill Feb 12 16:01:19 he will probably email you back within a week Feb 12 16:01:33 why do you want access? just wonderin Feb 12 16:01:38 boy.. everybody is getting some sweet enyo hotness and i am left out Feb 12 16:02:17 joetweeply the release was said in dec in NYC Feb 12 16:02:30 you could have applied 3 month ago Feb 12 16:02:42 chill Feb 12 16:02:44 ya i know... Feb 12 16:04:26 how do you know that they even have it? Feb 12 16:05:57 that who has what? Feb 12 16:06:32 Early Access Program people have the Enyo Goodness Feb 12 16:06:47 it's said to be out for them Feb 12 16:06:56 chuqui said he'll release it on friday Feb 12 16:07:27 and interpreting the twitter webosdev feed right, it's out Feb 12 16:08:09 I believe it might be out for them, though even if I knew, I couldn't say Feb 12 16:08:32 i just wanna see it and try it out Feb 12 16:08:53 see if i still could make apps when not having any actual phone to test it with Feb 12 16:09:03 use the emulator Feb 12 16:09:10 it works wonders ;) Feb 12 16:10:48 i had that discussion already... without the actual device you could miss on some major bugs... plus some things like acceleration can just not be tested Feb 12 16:11:09 true Feb 12 16:12:41 i've asked (more than once now) about the developer program outside the US, I still haven;t got a response :( Feb 12 16:13:11 post on the forums Feb 12 16:13:14 at the moment, with me being on a contract till March next yea, I can't afford to pay full price for a device when it's £400 Feb 12 16:14:14 who did you email? Feb 12 16:14:15 i'll make it my next step, but it's not promising when my other requests for information go unanswered Feb 12 16:15:14 I tweeted the WebOS account, and and @richardkerris - the new developer relations guy Feb 12 16:15:20 but not even a "we'll get back to you" Feb 12 16:15:38 did you email pdc@palm.com? Feb 12 16:15:57 I think if you email him, he'll direct you to the right guy Feb 12 16:16:15 i think i did a while ago, i remember when it was announced that nodejs was going to be on the platform i wanted to find out Feb 12 16:16:50 i'll email again Feb 12 16:17:17 ok. don't get down, everyone is very busy right now ;) Feb 12 16:44:23 is there any restriction where to put an pdk app? currently I just scp it to /internal/media/test. Where do I have to put appinfo.json and so on? Into the same directory? Feb 12 16:45:32 how about packaging and using palm-install Garfonso? Feb 12 16:46:42 I didn't succeed in creating files that where accepted as package, yet. Feb 12 16:49:21 the scripts from the pdk samples just seem to upload the binary to /media/internal, too.. that's basically what I did until now. Feb 12 16:50:44 but the PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback function always returns an error "unable to dispatch service call". I thought that might be, because it's not really a webos application without the description files.. Feb 12 16:54:44 These phone specs are becoming beastly. Just saw the galaxy s 2. Why would you need a dual core in a phone at this point Feb 12 16:55:08 multitasking ;) Feb 12 16:57:50 webos beats any device as far as multitasking perid still Feb 12 16:58:33 so anyway im looking for a very reliable backup Feb 12 16:59:40 s3? dropbox? Feb 12 16:59:49 there are libs already both both for nodejs Feb 12 17:00:56 i did save/restore and that didn't work Feb 12 17:01:10 is the default backup ap that comes with the pre the best option Feb 12 17:01:51 the default backup works robust, but backs up only a few settings. Feb 12 17:03:06 what exaclty do you want to do? you could backup the /media/internal partition via usb.. Feb 12 17:03:10 i backed up everyting with save/restore from preware .. did a wipe for something diff .. reinstalled it and it didn't bring anything back Feb 12 17:03:21 Garfonso all my settings / patches Feb 12 17:04:32 i need a new name lol Feb 12 17:04:34 bbs Feb 12 17:04:38 did you wipe /media/internals also? That's where save/restore saves its "backups". It's not really a full backup in this case. Feb 12 17:05:56 wierd Feb 12 17:06:31 did you wipe /media/internals also? That's where save/restore saves its "backups". It's not really a full backup in this case. Feb 12 17:06:39 dunno Feb 12 17:06:44 Garfonso i just ran webosdoctor Feb 12 17:12:54 hmpf... I'm still not able get a callback to work.. What the hell am I doing wrong? Feb 12 17:15:07 what exactly are you missing after your wipe? I managed to have preware reinstall all my homebrew apps / patches, but it was not really straight forward. Feb 12 17:17:01 Garfonso lots of preware apps .. lots of memos etc many things Feb 12 17:17:08 Before the wipe (or before you run preware the first time after the wipe) one needs to save the preware settings with save/restore. Then you can install & run preware and open the installed package list. For some reason preware now "updates" the list, which will in fact delete it. Then you close preware and restore the preware settings using save/restore. If you now run preware again you can open the installed packagelist and let prew Feb 12 17:17:09 are install all your previously packages and apps. Feb 12 17:17:25 i reinstlled save/restore after i did a wipe with webosdoctor.. installed save/restore and it said resore applications 0 Feb 12 17:17:25 that's how I did it some times, now. Feb 12 17:17:44 my palm profile was wiped (i can't tell you how that happend) but it was wiped that was me being dumb Feb 12 17:17:48 yes, save/restore itself won't reinstall applications. Feb 12 17:17:50 does palm profile do all data stuff Feb 12 17:17:56 and save/restore does preware stuff ? Feb 12 17:19:00 save/restore basically "just" collects settings from all supported applications and saves it in /media/internal/saverestore Feb 12 17:19:20 so they will be lost, if the usb partition gets deleted and backups of the data could be done via usb, too. Feb 12 17:19:49 but it won't reinstall anything. For that you would need to install preware and restore the preware settings with save/restore, as I explained. Feb 12 17:20:33 the palm backup saves some settings.. that's your accounts for contacts/calendar, launcher settings and all appcatalog apps. Feb 12 17:32:12 hm.. ok.. I really did miss something. The documentation of PDL_ServiceCall should reflect that you need to call SDL_Init(SDL_VIDEO) and PDL_Init() before them... Feb 12 17:47:23 Garfonso if i had a preware patch on there that extended my launcher would palm backup save it ? Feb 12 17:50:21 good morning Feb 12 17:51:34 yto Feb 12 17:52:00 Josef_B: palm backup won't save the patch itself.. (for example the option to create additional pages will be gone if you added that via patch), but palm backup saves all your launcher pages no matter what... for me it currently saves seven pages without problems. Feb 12 17:52:09 Josef_B: I'm pretty sure the palm official backup utility will not back up non-official software Feb 12 17:54:46 anyone syncing there pre via caldav ? Feb 12 17:54:57 im looking at a precenteral forums that looks like a how to set it up Feb 12 17:56:03 nvm Feb 12 17:56:20 the fourm talks about setting up caldav on an apple device yet precentreal is for webos Feb 12 17:56:23 so awkward Feb 12 18:12:05 hi Feb 12 18:12:35 saw the "Any ex-meego developers looking for a new home?" tweet :) Feb 12 18:13:57 I'm a meego developer, now looking for new opportunities: http://zee-nix.blogspot.com/2011/02/futures.html Feb 12 18:14:12 me too :) Not ex-meego but disillusioned android dev and current nodejs developer :) Feb 12 18:14:53 also i saw QT has been ported to Android now :p Feb 12 18:15:40 ewwww Feb 12 18:15:43 node Feb 12 18:15:46 oh, wait Feb 12 18:16:45 * hlfhlo|away is waiting at the carwash for the currently empty infiniti to be washed Feb 12 18:17:10 which means.... fun time after! Feb 12 18:18:53 HAY GUYS HOW ARE THE THEMES COMING? Feb 12 18:19:22 excellently Feb 12 18:19:29 * dohtem lies Feb 12 18:22:02 woo, more theme guys Feb 12 18:22:41 lies and pies Feb 12 18:25:05 zeenix: are you completely done with meego? Feb 12 18:25:39 dohtem: as i wrote in that blog entry i linked, not yet Feb 12 18:25:53 dohtem: would really like to complete my current project Feb 12 18:26:01 not nice to leave things unfinished Feb 12 18:28:04 dohtem: why do you ask? Feb 12 18:28:41 so only one meego product for 2011? Feb 12 18:28:55 what's nokia doing between now and 2012 in the windows phone space Feb 12 18:29:04 coasting Feb 12 18:29:21 chiiiiiiiilllllll Feb 12 18:29:26 no wait NO TIME TO CHILL Feb 12 18:29:29 torchie: afaik, yes only 1 meego product Feb 12 18:29:34 mobile space moves at the speed of LIGHT Feb 12 18:29:37 that stinks. it was a cool platform Feb 12 18:29:40 yeah Feb 12 18:29:47 it's the only platform I like besides webos Feb 12 18:29:55 really stinks because tons of engineers are gonna get the boot Feb 12 18:30:39 being that it was open, yet vertically integrated and not based on a bastardized JVM but some sweet-ass native toolkits :) Feb 12 18:31:00 it really sucks since they already had a working platform strategy with Qt Feb 12 18:31:19 and now to completely ditch it Feb 12 18:31:40 What I don't understand was that Feb 12 18:31:47 maemo worked well from what I've seen Feb 12 18:31:53 n900 was pretty sweet Feb 12 18:32:05 why didn't they go full throttle with it asap? Feb 12 18:33:30 torchie: good question Feb 12 18:33:58 something i (and many maemo developers) have wondered about many times Feb 12 18:34:00 n900 was sweet to the point where I wanted it unlocked even though I was a year into my sprint contract lol Feb 12 18:34:05 since no mass market appeal or "apps" Feb 12 18:34:13 was there an app store? Feb 12 18:34:28 just with couple funny apps Feb 12 18:34:32 torchie: there were repositories Feb 12 18:34:42 with LOTs of apps Feb 12 18:34:44 that you could count with the fingers of 1 hand Feb 12 18:34:50 any way of taking those repositories and adding some mainstream appeal? Feb 12 18:35:01 but nothing really commercial/nokia-backed Feb 12 18:35:17 they were mostly ports Feb 12 18:35:22 torchie: sure, those repos are still there and managed by a nice community Feb 12 18:35:26 not really appealing to normal crowd Feb 12 18:35:41 some apps were pretty neat Feb 12 18:36:15 there was just a need to group it so that it was easy to find the good ones Feb 12 18:36:31 who wants ssh server or filesystem mounter on their mobile? (:P) Feb 12 18:36:59 oh yeah, QT Feb 12 18:37:19 what will Nokia do with it? they're not going to support WP7 with it (I am sure that was something MS demanded) Feb 12 18:37:32 the only "commercial" apps worth noticing were sygic navigator and joikuspot wireless hotspot Feb 12 18:38:32 I can't imagine QT meshing well with the wp7 api Feb 12 18:39:32 there will be no support for qt, only XNA, visual studio and silverlight (urgh...) Feb 12 18:39:45 ironically it probably would've worked better with WM6 Feb 12 18:40:10 is there any way at all to port an app written in C++ to wp7? Feb 12 18:42:12 * hlfhlo|away is bored Feb 12 18:43:30 anyone running themes on there pre ? Feb 12 18:43:41 Josef_B: what kind of themes/ Feb 12 18:43:49 megaman Feb 12 18:43:52 something Feb 12 18:44:00 http://www.precentral.net/webos-themes-by-total-downloads Feb 12 18:44:14 i tried to get the 8bit theme but it wasnt on preware :( Feb 12 18:57:43 i see a theme i want on precenteral .. it won't let me download or anything Feb 12 19:03:02 precentral themes are availible through preware Feb 12 19:06:49 when do sales reports and then payments come? Feb 12 19:06:53 for apps Feb 12 19:12:04 monthly Feb 12 19:12:06 or so Feb 12 19:12:09 pretty much Feb 12 19:14:34 http://funkatron.com/site/comments/spaz-webos-special-edition-plans/ Feb 12 19:14:58 funkatron: looking forward to it :) Feb 12 19:15:12 weeeeeoooooo Feb 12 19:16:33 so funkatron, what theme are YOU rocking on spaz? Feb 12 19:16:40 I use Clean mostly Feb 12 19:17:00 but I switch stuff often. I get tired of a look and will switch it up just so it feels fresh Feb 12 19:17:07 I can't decide between dreadnaught and koto :) Feb 12 19:18:02 they're both cool Feb 12 19:18:05 I love the koto blue Feb 12 19:18:56 yeah, it's a great color Feb 12 19:23:40 Any relations people handy? I'm trying to register a developer account and I'm being asked for my 'US Taxpayer ID Number' as a required field despite specifying my tax region as Canada... Feb 12 19:23:52 ...is '000 000 000' an acceptable answer? Feb 12 19:23:59 sounds good to me! Feb 12 19:24:46 Apropos: search the forums, I think that's come up before Feb 12 19:25:23 Thanks, I'll do that; though it *did* take all zeroes. :s Feb 12 19:28:14 funkatron you made spaz ? Feb 12 19:28:22 I did, with help from others 8 Feb 12 19:28:23 8) Feb 12 19:28:40 funkatron nice app :D never seen a twitter app so clean Feb 12 19:28:45 thanks! Feb 12 19:28:48 yep Feb 12 19:29:06 i would donate but i got 4 kids and a wife and i got this pre referbished (i love it) so im limited Feb 12 19:29:47 sure. do what you can. no donation too small 8D Feb 12 19:29:50 im so glad i use my google voice number for random stuff, totally cuts down on the bs sales calls for shit i obviously didnt want Feb 12 19:29:52 funkatron: wtf is this "spaz" thing? Feb 12 19:29:55 but compliemtns are good too Feb 12 19:29:57 =D Feb 12 19:29:59 Adora: it sucks Feb 12 19:30:31 http://spaz.spreadshirt.com/spaz-sucks-buttons-A4958407/customize/color/1 Feb 12 19:30:44 hahahaha Feb 12 19:31:01 Adora! are you working? Feb 12 19:31:03 yeah, I heard spaz won't run webOS 2.0 Feb 12 19:31:15 I will punch you in the mouth. Feb 12 19:31:29 Tibfib: ...kinda? Feb 12 19:31:35 god Feb 12 19:31:40 I just need my app to get approved or rejected Feb 12 19:31:46 webos 2.0 needs to come tom pre + so i can post from launcher :D Feb 12 19:32:36 Tibfib: yeah, was too tired to do reviews last night Feb 12 19:32:48 no worries :) Feb 12 19:32:49 I'll start on that after lunch Feb 12 19:32:59 sweet, thanks! Feb 12 19:34:10 hey Adora, any chance we could get the wallpaper that was on the devices at the event? Feb 12 19:34:26 hey, check out the thing I made: http://screencast.com/t/ULAmaVfEpJSW Feb 12 19:34:47 dawm: once I get the devices for myself, I'll see what I can do =] Feb 12 19:34:56 okie:) Feb 12 19:35:07 Adora is stuck on a Pre-! Feb 12 19:35:16 NO ONE WAS MORE FURIOUS Feb 12 19:35:25 +1 to wallpapers Feb 12 19:35:28 ;_; Feb 12 19:39:30 Hrm... There are a bunch of different answers as to what's a valid TIN; also of note is that the page is totally different upon navigating to it a second time. Feb 12 19:40:37 wow spaz for desktop Feb 12 19:40:42 * Josef_B installs Feb 12 19:42:51 spaz is your friend Feb 12 19:43:15 i remember that when i was an adobe air app Feb 12 19:43:22 it still is 8D Feb 12 19:43:36 ahh Feb 12 19:47:42 "I have programmed my Tivo at home" Feb 12 19:51:10 funkatron wierd i just intalled spaz desktop and can't see timeline Feb 12 19:51:11 any ideas ? Feb 12 19:51:23 did you try entering your account information? Feb 12 19:51:31 it said something about ustream Feb 12 19:51:32 I need a little more to go on than "it doesn't work" 8) Feb 12 19:51:35 i entered my twitter name Feb 12 19:52:00 I have no idea what that means, tbh. Feb 12 19:52:19 enable twitter user stream Feb 12 19:52:20 what is that ? Feb 12 19:52:31 it turns on the twitter streaming Feb 12 19:52:35 so you get instantaneous updates Feb 12 19:52:42 aw Feb 12 19:53:26 i hit my timeline and its blank Feb 12 19:53:33 i have refresh mark and view Feb 12 19:53:39 okay Feb 12 19:53:49 I still don't know if you set up your account. Feb 12 19:53:59 it doesn't magically know your username and password Feb 12 19:54:14 let me unregister my name and re-login with my twitter account Feb 12 19:55:10 ok i clicked on setup account .. im loggin in with username and password and clicking type twitter Feb 12 19:55:18 sure Feb 12 19:55:23 and hit "save" Feb 12 19:55:40 and close the window, and make sure you only have one account in there Feb 12 19:55:43 ok now it works Feb 12 19:55:46 cool Feb 12 19:55:54 so clean Feb 12 19:55:57 i love the interface Feb 12 19:56:06 danke! Feb 12 19:56:12 there are a couple more themes in there if you're curious Feb 12 19:56:48 sweet, koto is now veer ready Feb 12 20:02:13 ;o Feb 12 20:02:16 lol Feb 12 20:02:18 http://sale.images.woot.com/AncestryvtnDetail.png Feb 12 20:02:25 looks like Tron Alpha Feb 12 20:02:27 :P Feb 12 20:03:20 im waiting for the tweet that says Feb 12 20:03:34 web0S now ava for pre and pre +'s :D Feb 12 20:03:43 um Feb 12 20:03:46 they come with it :P Feb 12 20:04:39 Josef_B, you will be waiting a while Feb 12 20:04:47 stay calm Feb 12 20:04:49 weeks Feb 12 20:05:45 engadget podcast now talking about hp palm Feb 12 20:05:46 technically he will be waiting longer, cause no one is gonna tweet that since they all come with webOS, now if he stated a version, then possibly less of a wait time :P Feb 12 20:12:49 oh funkatron, you should probably mention bee rad in your blog post Feb 12 20:13:09 okay Feb 12 20:13:12 woops Feb 12 20:13:17 just say by will honey and bee rad Feb 12 20:14:07 done Feb 12 20:14:52 thanks Feb 12 20:17:58 whats engadget saying Feb 12 20:18:14 same thing everyone's saying Feb 12 20:18:34 the devices are awesome.. but it needs to come up sooner Feb 12 20:18:37 blah blah Feb 12 20:18:46 but they need to come out sooner* Feb 12 20:18:58 summer! Feb 12 20:19:21 also, rounded corners are getting removed Feb 12 20:19:26 http://www.engadget.com/photos/pre-3-hands-on-2-0/#3864844 Feb 12 20:20:36 didnt catch that. Feb 12 20:20:58 yeah Feb 12 20:22:24 heh, Pre 3 4G Feb 12 20:22:34 * Tibfib hopes not Feb 12 20:28:38 Elopcalypse Feb 12 20:28:42 rounded corners removed what Feb 12 20:29:19 awww Feb 12 20:29:22 those were awesome Feb 12 20:32:47 wtf is matthew mcnulty's twitter handle? Feb 12 20:33:29 http://twitter.com/#!/mattsmcnulty Feb 12 20:33:37 matts Feb 12 20:33:38 right Feb 12 20:40:28 did HP say how touch to share works? Does it use NFC? Feb 12 20:41:02 I don't think so Feb 12 20:41:08 to both questions Feb 12 20:46:36 who is dkdsgn on twitter ? Feb 12 20:47:11 touch to share is magic Feb 12 20:47:30 sugardave: HP pixie dust Feb 12 20:52:18 the veer frequencies listed for touch to share on the fcc filing are within the ISM/SRD frequency range that RFID stuff uses... Feb 12 20:52:27 omg, they have to grind up all the pixis! Feb 12 20:52:28 http://www.rfid-handbook.de/rfid/frequencies.html Feb 12 20:53:15 but I'm not sure how much that actually means Feb 12 20:54:18 so seriously Feb 12 20:54:41 can I get an OC kernel on my Pre2 Feb 12 20:54:42 ? Feb 12 20:58:10 funkatron: yeah Feb 12 20:58:25 basically I don't want to look it up Feb 12 20:59:01 lol Feb 12 20:59:03 wtf does inSender _mean_...input sender? the sender which I'm passing in? what is a "sender"....these are questions that make me angry Feb 12 20:59:18 I think it means the thing that sent the event Feb 12 20:59:27 the arguments? Feb 12 20:59:31 or triggered, rather Feb 12 20:59:47 you can call the argument poopflinger if you want Feb 12 20:59:48 so it wouldn't be an event Feb 12 20:59:53 it would be an element/thing Feb 12 21:00:00 I believe so Feb 12 21:00:09 it's the component that triggered the event Feb 12 21:00:25 but I just am copying shit from the examples at this point 8D Feb 12 21:00:28 too bad I don't know sed/awk, or I'd replace all inWhatever as poopFlinger Feb 12 21:01:53 Zinge: nice find Feb 12 21:03:02 sed 's/inWhatever/poopFlinger/g' Feb 12 21:03:18 heh Feb 12 21:04:54 dangit, how do you change the emulator's resolution again? Feb 12 21:05:00 magic Feb 12 21:05:10 * sugardave grinds up some more pixis. Feb 12 21:05:24 I can't do it BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE VIRTUALBOX 3 ANYMORE Feb 12 21:05:29 oil: ping Feb 12 21:05:31 Tibfib will have to make my images for me Feb 12 21:05:42 oh yeah? Feb 12 21:05:53 I had to install 4 for work Feb 12 21:06:18 funkatron: palm-emulator --resolutions 1024x786 Feb 12 21:06:38 yeah, I can't do that Feb 12 21:06:45 palm-emulator only works with VB3 Feb 12 21:06:53 err, that was for Tibfib Feb 12 21:06:58 dohtem: thanks Feb 12 21:07:04 oh right Feb 12 21:07:08 but yeah, funkatron, you are screwed Feb 12 21:07:09 tibfib, start building! Feb 12 21:07:22 I am screwed Feb 12 21:07:31 making pre3 emu image Feb 12 21:07:43 800x400? Feb 12 21:07:44 funkatron: building 4.0 images for you? Feb 12 21:07:49 tibfib, yeah Feb 12 21:07:51 480x800 Feb 12 21:07:53 lol Feb 12 21:07:55 you can build them on 3 and I can upgrade them Feb 12 21:08:02 funkatron: you'll be waiting a LONG time Feb 12 21:08:02 but I guess the apis changed for creation in 4 Feb 12 21:08:04 hahah Feb 12 21:08:19 funkatron: I can email the chaned resolutions to you and they'll work? Feb 12 21:08:29 * funkatron thinks about installing vbox in parallels on win7 and cries a little Feb 12 21:08:42 I don't know that it will Feb 12 21:08:43 ouch Feb 12 21:08:45 I have no idea honestly Feb 12 21:08:51 funkatron: I wouldn't think soo... Feb 12 21:08:57 the normal ones don't work do they? Feb 12 21:09:05 hm Feb 12 21:09:06 yep Feb 12 21:09:17 sorry I asked my question bad. do they work? Feb 12 21:09:37 normal ones… Feb 12 21:09:44 it's not that I can't do higher resolutions Feb 12 21:09:51 it's that I can't use the palm-emulator tool, basically Feb 12 21:09:55 oh Feb 12 21:09:59 hey, is asking twitter for xAuth access pretty straight forward? Feb 12 21:09:59 ::sigh:: Is it stupid that I can't decide if I want to bother looking at the new sdk stuff because I may just switch to re-learning java if my phone dies before they announce carriers? Feb 12 21:10:21 Enyo should work fine on other platforms. that's keeping me interested, Zinge Feb 12 21:10:52 dohtem: I think so. Just have to say why you're thinking that xAuth is better for your app than oAuth, since xAuth means you don't have to open a browser window to get it Feb 12 21:11:23 dohtem: yeah. basically, if you're doing a mobile app, they'll give you xauth access Feb 12 21:11:54 oauth delegating to a browser is a non-starter on almost all platforms Feb 12 21:11:54 hmm how do you exit full screen mode in virtual box >.< Feb 12 21:12:14 funkatron: good point, thanks Feb 12 21:12:15 I didn't pay attention the popup Feb 12 21:12:25 I got here by control alt delete.. lol Feb 12 21:12:39 host + home Feb 12 21:12:41 hmm...palm-emulator on linux appears to just be a bash script Feb 12 21:12:51 yeah it is Feb 12 21:12:53 host + f Feb 12 21:13:04 pfft Feb 12 21:13:13 i accdently deleted my virtual machine Feb 12 21:13:14 0_o Feb 12 21:13:16 * Josef_B has no sdk Feb 12 21:13:18 hwoops Feb 12 21:13:38 dawm: you want to tackle a Veer/Pre3/TouchPad version of SimFinger later? Feb 12 21:14:25 is there a way to bypass palm profile activation Feb 12 21:14:27 sure, shouldnt be hard but id need device frames Feb 12 21:14:33 or at least do it without being connected to the cell network Feb 12 21:14:57 yeah, I was going to make some later today Feb 12 21:14:57 touchpad is gonna be hard for me since the frame is gonna be larger than my display ;p Feb 12 21:15:06 hah Feb 12 21:15:40 thanks SineOt, funkatron. I'll email them Feb 12 21:16:18 but if you are making a twitter client dohtem, I will CRUSH YOU Feb 12 21:16:37 dohtem, its just an email you send them Feb 12 21:16:58 i got it with no issues awhile back, they gave me a 1 week access for xtwitter, apparently they didnt understand my request Feb 12 21:17:07 they said they gave me 1week access for testing the lib Feb 12 21:17:15 i needed perm access for the sample app Feb 12 21:17:24 derp Feb 12 21:17:56 Tibfib: pong Feb 12 21:18:04 nevermind! Feb 12 21:18:08 i could always reuse the access i have, but then id have to ask again for that app that key was intended for Feb 12 21:18:13 funkatron: spaz source Feb 12 21:18:17 oh man, Palmmmm nooooooo Feb 12 21:18:21 oil: thanks though :) Feb 12 21:18:26 they don't have a press shot of the Veer with the slider closed Feb 12 21:18:31 dohtem: I can just email you the auth_config.js file I use Feb 12 21:18:43 I just can't put it in the source repo Feb 12 21:18:49 I wanted to see about making a theme, thats why Feb 12 21:19:06 or just take it from the installed app Feb 12 21:20:00 ah, I'll do that Feb 12 21:27:52 so a good question: veer or pre 2? Feb 12 21:30:14 well, you can buy one of those now Feb 12 21:30:39 I have a pre 2 Feb 12 21:30:51 veer will be out soon ish though Feb 12 21:33:44 will it? Feb 12 21:33:46 WILL IT? Feb 12 21:34:18 I'll believe that when I see it. Feb 12 21:37:06 * Tibfib hopes so Feb 12 21:43:29 Harry Baals Feb 12 21:43:35 https://gimmebar.com/view/4d56fe6bab4979ce2e000006 Feb 12 21:45:13 lol Feb 12 21:46:10 Hairy Balls! Feb 12 21:46:23 harry tyvm Feb 12 22:06:20 yay. alarm clock can set times correctly and play the selected sound Feb 12 22:19:03 Tibfib: neat. Feb 12 22:24:02 * Josef_B stares at his pre before going back to work Feb 12 22:27:29 :o Feb 12 22:32:38 yay for windows! Feb 12 22:32:50 cinnamon buns for all of you involved! Feb 12 22:32:58 sry, wrong channel :) Feb 12 22:34:41 funkatron you around ? Feb 12 22:34:46 I am Feb 12 22:34:59 lies Feb 12 22:35:07 funkatron i think i jacked up my spaz / desktop verzion Feb 12 22:35:12 okay Feb 12 22:35:14 im exploring the buttons and i hit mark all Feb 12 22:35:18 okay Feb 12 22:35:19 i can't get back to my bubble view Feb 12 22:35:28 its all in mark all view Feb 12 22:35:31 I don't know that a "bubble view" is Feb 12 22:35:51 "mark all" marks all the messages in the timeline as read Feb 12 22:35:54 k Feb 12 22:35:58 you can't unmark them, if that's what you mean Feb 12 22:36:15 ok so my new messages should just show up normal now correct ? Feb 12 22:36:43 yep Feb 12 22:38:18 thanks Feb 12 22:39:16 helo Feb 12 22:39:23 hey it's adoraq Feb 12 22:39:26 Adora Feb 12 22:39:56 if i turn data off and keep wifi on will i get regular sms Feb 12 22:40:05 Nah Feb 12 22:43:37 funkatron before i did this mark all as read i didn't have that function and my timeline would just keep going Feb 12 22:43:46 now everytime everything just goes to mark as read Feb 12 22:43:51 anyway to go back to the way i had it Feb 12 22:44:07 I don't really understand what is happening. Feb 12 22:44:14 try recording a video with Jing. Feb 12 23:03:03 http://detroitneedsrobocop.com/ Feb 12 23:11:06 lol Feb 12 23:12:14 all started from a random tweet from some guy in MA Feb 12 23:23:09 that shit is so dope Feb 12 23:24:26 now that is some news that sounds more meaty Feb 12 23:27:15 Robocop runs dos! Feb 12 23:27:24 yay! Feb 12 23:30:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=562l4hKZp0I -- this looks slick Feb 12 23:32:21 wp7 Feb 12 23:32:50 so anyone know what the future of PDK apps will be on pre3? Feb 12 23:34:10 i don't think anything will change with those .. Feb 12 23:34:21 yeah, no reason for them to change Feb 12 23:34:34 so my pdk app will work on pre3 exactly the same? ... good to hear Feb 12 23:34:39 dohtem: that does look slick Feb 12 23:34:49 wonder for the hybrid apps Feb 12 23:35:03 yeah, that WP7 Metro UI aint bad Feb 12 23:44:02 i want my just type Feb 12 23:44:04 booo Feb 12 23:47:21 need help install sdk again Feb 12 23:47:24 i removed virtualbox Feb 12 23:47:31 sdk 1.4.5 Feb 12 23:47:34 and some other Feb 12 23:47:36 so install it again Feb 12 23:47:39 i installed virtualbox Feb 12 23:47:48 then installed sdk per palm site Feb 12 23:47:57 it wont launch Feb 12 23:48:03 was it 3.2 virtualbox? Feb 12 23:48:31 yes Feb 12 23:48:57 hmm Feb 12 23:50:31 the sdk is not creating virtual hard drives Feb 12 23:50:33 .vmk files Feb 12 23:50:33 3.2.1.2 i believe Feb 12 23:50:50 C:\Documents and Settings\lllk\.VirtualBox\HardDisks Feb 12 23:50:53 there is nothing there Feb 12 23:51:19 what is "not launching?" Feb 12 23:51:25 you want to run the Palm Emulator app Feb 12 23:51:31 and launch a VM from there Feb 12 23:51:35 what funkatron said Feb 12 23:51:43 oo i got it Feb 12 23:51:46 find the webos sdk folder and launch the emulator there Feb 12 23:51:53 i had to actually go to vmware it self / open it Feb 12 23:52:01 and delete the vmk files that it wasn't finding Feb 12 23:52:05 like actually remove them Feb 12 23:52:09 ummm Feb 12 23:52:10 then i just re-opened sdk Feb 12 23:52:13 and its finding it Feb 12 23:52:22 somehow you do everything the way it doesn't work 8D Feb 12 23:52:26 lol Feb 12 23:52:31 *hugs* Feb 12 23:52:34 w00t Feb 12 23:52:42 her comes my .vmdk Feb 12 23:52:47 s/her/here Feb 12 23:57:59 bbl Feb 12 23:58:11 mooo Feb 13 00:01:14 my pre feels so greasy Feb 13 00:02:37 speaking of oil Feb 13 00:02:46 :/ Feb 13 00:02:48 lol Feb 13 00:02:48 burn it! Feb 13 00:04:37 does your guys pre feel oily at times ? Feb 13 00:04:39 its so wierd Feb 13 00:05:16 * halfhalo dunnos Feb 13 00:06:08 * oil doesnt touch his phone when his hands are icky Feb 13 00:06:42 yeah that's usually a good rule Feb 13 00:06:54 well i did have something greazy Feb 13 00:07:00 i dried my hands very well Feb 13 00:07:04 they felt not greasy / oily Feb 13 00:07:10 but my pre feels oily Feb 13 00:08:23 heh Feb 13 00:09:12 uh oh. I keep getting the "time changed" event fired on my clock app which re sets the alarms Feb 13 00:09:56 which refires them Feb 13 00:10:49 what's up? Feb 13 00:11:11 sup PatrickC_Pre Feb 13 00:11:34 hay Josef_B! what's up? like the pre? Feb 13 00:11:47 lovin it Feb 13 00:11:57 mad at hp thought .. i think its a universal feeling Feb 13 00:11:58 lol Feb 13 00:12:10 what about the Pre3, Veer, TouchPad? Feb 13 00:12:15 nop Feb 13 00:12:16 they look awesome :) Feb 13 00:12:21 yea but its money Feb 13 00:12:25 you don't like it? lol Feb 13 00:12:32 no there aseome Feb 13 00:12:32 ahhh :) Feb 13 00:12:44 i just want my plus + to have a new os .. :D Feb 13 00:12:47 maybe they'll do a dev device program Feb 13 00:13:01 brb break Feb 13 00:13:03 they might do doctors Feb 13 00:13:05 ok Feb 13 00:25:18 it would be nice Feb 13 00:25:37 yep Feb 13 00:25:50 were you able to go to the Feb. 9th thing? Feb 13 00:25:56 Josef_B -- just stop. You'll get something eventually. For now, talking about it does not ge the folks working on it to hurry up Feb 13 00:26:19 rick-home im not trying to hurry it up Feb 13 00:26:27 nope. talking about how I'm actually making a SDK app is much more exciting! lol Feb 13 00:26:38 and failing at making it :/ Feb 13 00:26:39 PatrickC_Pre im gonna learn to code soon Feb 13 00:26:49 I can't figure out how to setup a button! Feb 13 00:26:59 Josef_B, use Ares Feb 13 00:27:20 http://ares.palm.com Feb 13 00:27:35 Josef_B: don't Feb 13 00:27:41 learn javascript and learn html Feb 13 00:27:43 and learn enyo Feb 13 00:27:47 don't bother with mojo Feb 13 00:27:55 well, ares will help some Feb 13 00:28:06 for someone who doesn't know anything Feb 13 00:28:07 yeah Feb 13 00:28:16 just for basic apps Feb 13 00:28:32 my wife liked the ideas of an app paying for itself Feb 13 00:28:38 she didn't make any comments Feb 13 00:28:39 :D Feb 13 00:28:43 all my apps are ares built Feb 13 00:28:50 but I'm working on a SDK app Feb 13 00:29:04 * Tibfib only uses sdk Feb 13 00:29:14 apps always pay for themselves (unless they suck ;) like mine) Feb 13 00:29:28 lol Feb 13 00:29:31 * PatrickC_Pre just started using SDK, but needs help... Feb 13 00:29:36 lol Feb 13 00:29:57 PatrickC_Pre: unless you've spent 4 months on them to find out legacy devices aren't getting 2.0. Feb 13 00:30:19 I have only sold like 27 copies since december... and my other one that only sold 15 since november... :/ Feb 13 00:30:32 but we are getting 3 new devices with 2.0+ :) Feb 13 00:30:37 PatrickC_Pre you did the fart thing right ? Feb 13 00:30:57 no, but I almost made one just so I could have one Feb 13 00:30:58 PatrickC_Pre: not until summer. Feb 13 00:31:01 I did the Fog Horn Feb 13 00:31:09 well, the Veer will be out spring Feb 13 00:31:22 and Pre2 will be out in like 1-2 weeks Feb 13 00:31:25 you guys should put 2.0 on your pres Feb 13 00:31:37 sadly, I don't expect a lot of sales for the veer or pre2. Feb 13 00:32:00 they might get some, and any sales is still money in the bank :) Feb 13 00:32:03 if the price is right the veer might do good Feb 13 00:32:11 price should be like 50$ Feb 13 00:32:16 I say no more then $50 Feb 13 00:32:18 yea Feb 13 00:32:28 and be on all cariers Feb 13 00:32:35 sprint included :) Feb 13 00:32:53 who r all these ppl here Feb 13 00:33:05 people :) Feb 13 00:33:10 most are developers Feb 13 00:33:14 or hackerd Feb 13 00:33:32 hackers** Feb 13 00:33:39 Well someone needs to hack an OC kernel on the leaked 2.0.1 rom for current pres Feb 13 00:34:00 you shouldn't have a leaked 2.0.1 rom :) Feb 13 00:34:07 why not :) Feb 13 00:34:11 brb Feb 13 00:34:12 PatrickC_Pre: true.. Feb 13 00:34:13 rick-home you around ? Feb 13 00:34:28 dude_man: there are overclocked kernels available for 2.0 Feb 13 00:34:32 afaik Feb 13 00:34:35 only for pre 2 Feb 13 00:34:39 not pre 1 Feb 13 00:35:06 dude_man: right. there is no kernel source code available for webOS 2.0 on anything other than the Pre 2. Feb 13 00:35:16 oh, nevermind then Feb 13 00:35:22 makes sense . Feb 13 00:35:43 kernel source code is usually released by Palm a couple of weeks after the webOS doctor is published Feb 13 00:35:47 if only HP woulod leak that too Feb 13 00:36:13 dude_man: since you have an illegal copy of webOS 2 for the Pre-, unfortunately you don't have the right to demand the source code from Palm. Feb 13 00:36:52 HP didn't leak it BTW, a "developer" (probably just a user) broke an NDA and illegally redistributed it. Feb 13 00:39:26 Well it was on an FTP site hosted by HP. It was there for weeks after it leaked. Feb 13 00:39:39 that was a private FTP Feb 13 00:39:43 only got taken down a day or 2 ago Feb 13 00:39:51 PatrickC_Pre you got your pre working with caldav ? Feb 13 00:39:51 the credentials to login was leaked Feb 13 00:40:11 i have mobile me calendar that i want to put on my pre Feb 13 00:40:30 caldav? lol Feb 13 00:40:34 or whatever Feb 13 00:40:43 if i can set it up as exchange it would be nice Feb 13 00:40:44 i doubt it Feb 13 00:40:52 what do you mean? lol Feb 13 00:41:01 you heard of me.com ? or mobile me ? Feb 13 00:41:08 yea Feb 13 00:41:16 i want to get my calendar to my pre from me.com Feb 13 00:41:26 yikes. don't try to "argue" with devs angry about enyo Feb 13 00:41:40 So it's bad for people to leak roms but HP can lie to us about releasing it? Feb 13 00:41:41 set it up in the calendar preferences Feb 13 00:41:52 TibFib, sounds like a personal experience? lol Feb 13 00:42:01 they didn't lie Feb 13 00:42:08 they serously thought they could Feb 13 00:42:09 on twitter Feb 13 00:42:21 but it became more difficult then they immagined Feb 13 00:42:26 dude_man -- there's a difference between lying and being wrong. Feb 13 00:42:31 there are many ways to lie. one is through omision Feb 13 00:42:46 how long have they known they would not release 2.0? Feb 13 00:42:55 yet they wait this long to tell us Feb 13 00:43:00 dude_man: one is a formal contract and NDA, which the developers signed. The other was a promise. Feb 13 00:43:10 One has legal weight. The other may or may not. Feb 13 00:43:11 dude_man: I think you're wrong. HP didn't decide until recently. Feb 13 00:43:19 dude_man as far as we can tell, the final decision was made in the last ten days. Feb 13 00:43:42 You're own personal feelings about it don't enter into the equation unfortunately. Feb 13 00:43:53 and no matter whether hp lied or NOT, I am an honorable man, and I don't break my legal agreements. Feb 13 00:43:57 dude_man, the person that leaked the Roms will probably has a hefty problem on their hands Feb 13 00:44:06 And in any case, I suspect it's your carrier that is preventing HP from releasing the updates. Feb 13 00:44:09 ok well I still think everyone should put 2.0 on their pre... I think HP wants us to. they just cant say that Feb 13 00:44:20 My grandmother taught me that when I sign a contract, it's a contract, and I have to keep my word. Feb 13 00:44:26 dude_man: what you think doesn't matter to the judge. Feb 13 00:44:41 Judge dred Feb 13 00:44:55 dude_man, they might still release doctors, its just not going OTA Feb 13 00:45:02 I want them to release it just as much as you do. That doesn't change the legalities of the situation. Feb 13 00:45:16 doubt it. They are talking about "making things right" not releasing the Drs Feb 13 00:45:31 "making things right" could include doctors Feb 13 00:45:35 dude_man -- seriously. Wait a few weeks. It's entirely possible that they will release enough code publicly that a meta-doctor can be created. But your being angry doesn't speed that up or make it more likely Feb 13 00:45:50 take a deep breath and calm down Feb 13 00:45:52 And breaking the law actually makes it less likely. Feb 13 00:46:00 right. MUCH less likely Feb 13 00:46:22 and breaking the NDA makes it harder for the Early Access Program members.. Feb 13 00:46:29 Our showing good faith makes it MORE likely that HP, a company which has supported open source and community efforts for YEARS will continue to do so Feb 13 00:46:35 won't then meta Dr in turn be illigal to creat? Feb 13 00:46:46 not if they release enough code for us to work with Feb 13 00:46:58 no, if you have the code, it is not illegal Feb 13 00:47:03 and HP's policy absolutely is that they try not to lock up the tools in the garage. Feb 13 00:47:09 but you have to obtain the code LEGALY Feb 13 00:47:20 dude_man: no. An end user can create a custom rom for their own use on their own webOS device, as long as they use legal inputs. It's illegal redistribution of those ROMs which is the problem. Feb 13 00:47:36 give us a chance to work with them to make that possible LEGALLY instead of making HP take protective steps because some idiot is breaking NDA contracts. Feb 13 00:48:06 ok do your thing I'm not stopping anyone Feb 13 00:48:15 and if they break NDA, then they might lock up ALL tools in the shed Feb 13 00:48:30 It's very hard for us to go sit with folks in HP and ask for favors when people are breaking contracts right and left Feb 13 00:48:50 I don't like how cozzy webos internals is getting with HP Feb 13 00:49:02 why not? Feb 13 00:49:06 it's like saying to a building owner... We want to make this sculpture out of rocks... when every idiot in the neighborhood insists on using the rocks to break out windows. Feb 13 00:49:16 dude_man: as if you have any idea of what the relationship really is Feb 13 00:49:19 when hackers decide they follow the rules of the corporations they are trying to hack... um what's the point Feb 13 00:49:30 wow.... Feb 13 00:49:33 just... wow Feb 13 00:49:42 anyone have banning capabilities? Feb 13 00:49:44 dude_man: actually, it's the rules of the countries the hackers live in, with their jobs and families, not the corporations. Feb 13 00:49:46 they are not "hacking" they are "patching" there is a difference Feb 13 00:50:05 OC kernel is more than a patch Feb 13 00:50:12 dude_man we're not following their rules. We're following the law. We're men in white hats. Good guys. Who have, as a result done cool things like custom kernels and such ENTIRELY LEGALLY Feb 13 00:50:24 OC Kernel is entirely legal Feb 13 00:50:30 based on entirely open material Feb 13 00:50:33 utterly legal Feb 13 00:50:44 you dont have to be a law breaker to be a hacker Feb 13 00:50:51 the hell you say! Feb 13 00:50:56 and the companies recognize the difference. Feb 13 00:51:00 there is nothing to hack on webos... that is one reason it's such a great system. ;) Feb 13 00:51:19 Garfonso depends on your definition of hack. There's nothing to jailbreak Feb 13 00:51:31 Garfonso: depends on your definition of hacking, which is different from "cracking" Feb 13 00:51:43 It's really frustrating loving webOS so much and then not being allowed to use the latest software while android gets update anfter update Feb 13 00:51:44 god why i cant i find the damn twitter test console on their friggen site Feb 13 00:51:54 i know when i didnt need it i kept clicking on links to it, now that i need it.. argh Feb 13 00:51:59 dude_man: go use Android then. Feb 13 00:52:02 * sugardave looks at Mind Master source. "I think I will start with a DIFFERENT app to convert." Feb 13 00:52:05 I did Feb 13 00:52:09 so what's the definition? Do you take the linux-definition and call compiling a custom kernel hacking? Feb 13 00:52:09 I dont like it lol Feb 13 00:52:31 dude_man: depends on what device you are on whether you will get an android update Feb 13 00:52:39 I want to be a hacker. How do I start? Feb 13 00:52:47 yeah but the rooters make custom roms Feb 13 00:52:48 make Feb 13 00:52:57 haeffb, first get an ax Feb 13 00:53:05 * halfhalo hasn't gotten an update for his epic 4g in months Feb 13 00:53:07 ok. just a minute... Feb 13 00:53:12 dude_man it's entirely possible to make custom "roms" legally Feb 13 00:53:16 first, go check that stock tank and make sure it's level Feb 13 00:53:18 Garfonso: "Hacking" is "an appropriate application of ingenuity" Feb 13 00:53:52 haeffb, then start swinging. you are now a "hacker" :) Feb 13 00:53:54 ok, got an ax. Feb 13 00:53:55 hehe Feb 13 00:54:11 oops Feb 13 00:54:14 now he quits.... Feb 13 00:54:16 cut the cable Feb 13 00:54:21 lol Feb 13 00:54:29 lol Feb 13 00:54:41 lol Feb 13 00:54:54 Some people can't handle being shown they're wrong. Feb 13 00:54:56 hay haeffb! Feb 13 00:55:06 oops. accidently hit my ethernet cable with the ax. Feb 13 00:55:06 rick-home, yep Feb 13 00:55:19 we thought that's what happened ;) Feb 13 00:55:24 "Don't confuse me with facts" Feb 13 00:55:31 hackers can f**k some s**t up! Feb 13 00:55:42 l33t h4k3r Feb 13 00:55:43 well, yes. :-) Feb 13 00:55:55 oh ghods. Let's us please pretty please not start that. Feb 13 00:55:59 be careful swinging that thing haeffb! don't hurt me! :) Feb 13 00:56:02 * halfhalo whistles Feb 13 00:56:11 I for myself mostly associate hacking to "using something in a way it wasn't meant to be used"... I'm not sure if that is what the "webos-hackers" are doing.. But maybe that's just me. Feb 13 00:56:14 * sugardave gets ready to kill. Feb 13 00:56:32 webos-hackers do that all the time. Feb 13 00:56:36 sugardave: don't mess with me, man. I gots an ax! Feb 13 00:56:44 foe! foe! foe! Feb 13 00:56:45 look at preware. Almost the definition of that Garfonso Feb 13 00:56:53 * haeffb is pretty sure I use Javascript in a way it wasn't meant to be used... Feb 13 00:56:59 FEAR! FIRE! FOE!!! Feb 13 00:57:14 Garfonso: WebOS Internals was intentionally not named "webos-hackers" Feb 13 00:57:17 There is no spoon Feb 13 00:57:19 * PatrickC_Pre needs to get ready for WAR!!! Feb 13 00:57:21 haeffb I've seen your javascript, and I have to concurr Feb 13 00:57:43 Your codding is weak sauce aaww shit son Feb 13 00:57:54 brb Feb 13 00:57:57 Garfonso: specifically because the meda-warped connotations that the definition you gave displays Feb 13 00:58:09 haeffb: only pretty sure? Feb 13 00:58:09 s/because/because of/ Feb 13 00:58:12 rwhitby: internals is much more fitting than hackers. Feb 13 00:58:15 oil: lol Feb 13 00:58:51 Garfonso: and possibly much easier for a company to donate a server to ... Feb 13 00:59:31 sure. ;) Feb 13 00:59:46 rick-home: I blame oil. He refuses to hold my hand. Feb 13 00:59:59 anyone know why I can;t load my palm profile on 2.0? Feb 13 01:00:07 * oil opens lmgtfy and gets ready Feb 13 01:00:18 lol oil Feb 13 01:01:02 dude_man yes. but we're not supposed to discuss it under the terms of the NDA. Which part of that did you not understand earlier? Feb 13 01:01:49 this channel is maintained, logged and reviewed by Palm. We do not want to lose our status with them, and get into legal trouble. Which part of THAT did you not understand. Feb 13 01:01:51 s/not supposed to/legally bound not to/ Feb 13 01:02:02 right -- what rwhitby said Feb 13 01:02:30 status schmatus. I prefer not to be jailed next time I visit the US. Feb 13 01:03:02 PatrickC_Pre: have you looked at http://www.webos101.com? Feb 13 01:03:08 that too. Or be sued. But hell, I want to keep my access to the developer stuff, and get paid for my webos programs Feb 13 01:03:12 visiting the us sometimes feels like going to jail, no matter if you did something wrong... ;) Feb 13 01:03:23 lol Feb 13 01:03:26 because it is! Feb 13 01:03:34 Garfonso: actually, it's leaving the US where you go through the TSA inquisition, not entering. Feb 13 01:03:43 woooo TSA! Feb 13 01:03:59 on entering, you only get strip searched if they have reasonable cause. Feb 13 01:04:08 like a funny accent Feb 13 01:04:20 or shoes Feb 13 01:04:30 oil: naw, the customs officers love the aussie accent. Feb 13 01:04:32 or shoes with a funny accent Feb 13 01:04:38 rwhitby: haha Feb 13 01:04:39 your accent doesn't have to be humerous, just heavy. Feb 13 01:04:49 like, you know, a pinstripe Feb 13 01:05:00 "oh, I love your country" is a common response I get. Feb 13 01:05:10 cool. Feb 13 01:05:22 you're sure to give em a "g'day mate!" when you walk up? Feb 13 01:05:29 yes Feb 13 01:05:44 or long beard Feb 13 01:06:01 oil: lest the mistake me for a German. Feb 13 01:06:07 s/the/they/ Feb 13 01:06:19 which is a bad thing? Feb 13 01:06:33 no, but has a different response than an Australian. Feb 13 01:06:37 being mistaken for a german is ALWAYS a bad thing. :-) Feb 13 01:06:44 lol Feb 13 01:06:46 nah, german is such a romantic language Feb 13 01:07:06 is it? Feb 13 01:07:10 but they cant watch any of the "angry hitler" meme videos Feb 13 01:07:24 because they understand what hitler is saying and the subtitles just confuse them Feb 13 01:07:31 I've had a French official address me in German once, based on looks alone. Pity I don't understand much German. Feb 13 01:07:40 haha Feb 13 01:07:45 hehe Feb 13 01:08:11 "Pardon, Je suis Australienne, Englaise s'il vous plait" Feb 13 01:08:11 any one here made a pre 2 run on sprint? Feb 13 01:08:31 CTLAdvance has Feb 13 01:08:41 just not giving up dude_man ??? Feb 13 01:08:48 dude_man: yep, you need NDA material to make it work. Feb 13 01:08:50 Is that illegal too? Feb 13 01:08:59 nope, it's perfectly legal Feb 13 01:09:05 it just needs NDA information Feb 13 01:09:05 is it illegal to buy a pre 2 as well? Feb 13 01:09:15 nope, that's perfectly legal too. Feb 13 01:09:18 am i connected ? Feb 13 01:09:22 !ping Feb 13 01:09:26 is this real life? Feb 13 01:09:26 Josef_B yes Feb 13 01:09:38 is this just fantasy? Feb 13 01:09:40 Tibfib: no, it's the internet. Feb 13 01:09:53 caught in a landslide.. Feb 13 01:09:55 what If I have a dream about webOS 2.0? Is palm's though police division gonna come have the the MIB death ray to erase my memory? Feb 13 01:10:02 thought Feb 13 01:10:04 oil: though escaped from reality Feb 13 01:10:05 * Tibfib thinks that's the next line Feb 13 01:10:12 btw are there any news about when webos 2.x sdks will get public? Feb 13 01:10:43 no one knows :( Feb 13 01:10:53 rwhitby mesed it up Feb 13 01:11:05 :( Feb 13 01:11:13 but, its open your eyes Feb 13 01:11:24 then, look up to the skies and see Feb 13 01:11:24 it's all rwhitby's fault for the angry tweets. :-) Feb 13 01:11:25 look up to the skies and seeeeeeeeee Feb 13 01:11:30 I'm just a poor boy Feb 13 01:11:37 I made a pre plus on sprint Feb 13 01:11:40 It was fun Feb 13 01:11:52 I'm a haxxor Feb 13 01:11:56 * Tibfib youtube's it Feb 13 01:12:01 http://www.lyricsfreak.com/q/queen/bohemian+rhapsody_20112599.html Feb 13 01:12:21 oil: Doh! Feb 13 01:12:30 What if I made a youtube video of my Pre 1 with webOS 2,0.1 on it?> would you guys watch it? Feb 13 01:12:31 haha, its ok Feb 13 01:12:39 everyone gets words wrong Feb 13 01:12:46 oil: actually Tibfib stuffed it first with the first line Feb 13 01:12:54 yeah, haha Feb 13 01:12:57 rwhitby: hah! I thought you were right Feb 13 01:13:11 technically, I was quoting the david on drugs video Feb 13 01:13:24 david after dentist* Feb 13 01:13:24 ah, so oil got it wrong first Feb 13 01:13:27 rick-home: does it require NDA info to do a comms board swap? Feb 13 01:13:33 no Feb 13 01:14:07 haeffb: but sprint Pre- board to Pre 2 won't work without NDA information Feb 13 01:14:30 bastards Feb 13 01:15:17 like, it may require a doctor that might not be publicly available? Feb 13 01:15:25 haeffb: you're a developer with ethics, just sign the NDA. Feb 13 01:15:26 there, https://github.com/Tibfib/Alarm-Clock up Feb 13 01:15:47 rwhitby: no, I'm a hacker now. Got an ax and everything. Feb 13 01:15:52 * oil peeks at Tibfibs code Feb 13 01:15:53 lol Feb 13 01:16:12 oil: not as neat as yours Feb 13 01:16:16 aw, mojo? still mojo? Feb 13 01:16:29 lol Feb 13 01:16:36 I like mojo Feb 13 01:16:39 ;) Feb 13 01:16:43 Tibfib: rewrite your alarm app in enyo. You have 15 minutes. Go. Feb 13 01:17:03 I'm making this app to make money while I wait to make money with koto Feb 13 01:17:12 haeffb: I'm bad at enyo :/ Feb 13 01:17:20 I don't even have it .. .. Feb 13 01:17:42 * haeffb is taking away your hacker ax Feb 13 01:17:47 :( Feb 13 01:17:49 how do you guys market your apps Feb 13 01:17:58 i agree, learning sucks Feb 13 01:18:06 it was much better when i could whip up an app in an hour Feb 13 01:18:12 I tell both my friends with Pre's. Feb 13 01:18:22 most conumers like me who dont code . open app catalog and look for an app .. in Tibfib caes i type in alarm and look for the pretiest one and what features it has Feb 13 01:18:53 i just tell rwhitby Feb 13 01:18:53 neither ever buys the app, though. Feb 13 01:18:56 oil: gotta be mojo - can't put enyo code on github yet Feb 13 01:19:05 haeffb if i had the money i would Feb 13 01:19:07 aw Feb 13 01:19:14 sell it at $.40 lol Feb 13 01:19:20 rwhitby: I can. I have an ax. Feb 13 01:19:26 Josef_B: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/alarm%20clock/clock-mockup.png mockup from a week ago Feb 13 01:19:37 Josef_B: start an open source project. works wonders for marketing your first app. Feb 13 01:19:38 Tibfib nice Feb 13 01:21:17 * Tibfib wishes he could post koto's source Feb 13 01:21:37 Mojo has so many nice things it does for you, like auto-centering text in the fixed header widget Feb 13 01:21:53 sugardave: dude, mojo sucks in comparison to enyo Feb 13 01:22:00 but I still know mojo better Feb 13 01:22:17 same Feb 13 01:22:49 * rwhitby doesn't know enyo, cause he hasn't found any code that oil has written in it yet Feb 13 01:22:58 dammit oil Feb 13 01:23:10 haven't you finished the Preware re-write yet? Feb 13 01:23:22 slacker Feb 13 01:23:46 :/ Feb 13 01:24:35 it would be nice to be doing something i love .. staring at a computer doing something and i rep the proceedes not where i work for a company hourly and give them all my money Feb 13 01:24:39 well Feb 13 01:24:42 they give me what they want Feb 13 01:25:08 anyone wanna help out in my alarm clock project? Feb 13 01:25:17 whats its goal? Feb 13 01:25:27 duplicate the built-in one? Feb 13 01:25:28 to rock the socks off any other alarm clock app Feb 13 01:25:30 why does it have a big clock at first if its for alarms? Feb 13 01:25:41 oil: it's a clock app Feb 13 01:25:44 I don't have a name yet Feb 13 01:25:50 * oil uses "go straight to alarms list" patch Feb 13 01:25:57 lol Feb 13 01:26:00 the big dumb clock is useless to me Feb 13 01:26:05 * rwhitby adds "go straight to setting alarm" patch Feb 13 01:26:26 rwhitby: duplicate and do more Feb 13 01:26:38 honestly I made it so I can have dashboards wake me up and not panels Feb 13 01:26:45 YAC? Feb 13 01:27:01 why dashboards and not panels? Feb 13 01:27:09 you can't keep listening to your music with a panel Feb 13 01:27:16 an alarm is an immediate action required type of thing Feb 13 01:27:19 its what popup was made for Feb 13 01:27:35 oil is that the open to alarm list thing you where talking about ? Feb 13 01:27:39 i see a patc in preware Feb 13 01:27:43 patch* Feb 13 01:27:47 yeah, i got it installed Feb 13 01:27:50 oil: that's not how I want to wake up Feb 13 01:27:56 From July 2010: The cookie name bug has been fixed in the version of the framework that's in our next big OS release. The fix didn't make the cut-off for 1.4.5. Feb 13 01:28:04 sigh Feb 13 01:28:13 hey Tibfib Feb 13 01:28:13 cookie name bug? Feb 13 01:28:18 * oil has never ran into such a problem Feb 13 01:28:19 oil: I want to keep listening to music while I read newsroom and spaz Feb 13 01:28:22 it would be nice if HP coulld fix the bugs in 1.4.5... Feb 13 01:28:25 yep Feb 13 01:28:37 er Feb 13 01:28:43 if you have multiple cookies that start with the same characters... Feb 13 01:28:50 dawm: howdy Feb 13 01:28:54 myCookie1, myCookie2 Feb 13 01:28:58 Tibfib, https://github.com/dawm/xTwitter/blob/master/README.md i updated the readme, do you think i missed anything? its WAY better than the one you initially got :P Feb 13 01:29:00 * oil does that Feb 13 01:29:04 sometimes webOS gets confused and loses one of them. Feb 13 01:29:11 * oil has NEVER had that Feb 13 01:29:16 * haeffb has Feb 13 01:29:21 it's very random Feb 13 01:29:38 * Tibfib started using completely different cookie names after that Feb 13 01:29:47 here's one thread: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5008 Feb 13 01:29:59 * haeffb started using Depot/SQLite Feb 13 01:30:11 screw cookies Feb 13 01:30:15 oh, where one is completely the beginning of another? Feb 13 01:30:20 * oil never does that Feb 13 01:30:32 like in wirc, its preferences, servers, server1, server2 Feb 13 01:30:47 servers, server1, server2 Feb 13 01:30:48 but never like foo, then fooBar Feb 13 01:31:06 hmm, I bet some users have had issues with server1, server2, servers Feb 13 01:31:06 any reports? Feb 13 01:31:12 never Feb 13 01:31:15 weird! Feb 13 01:31:16 but i ignore most users, so Feb 13 01:31:21 I think the serverX is sufficient Feb 13 01:31:22 lol Feb 13 01:31:35 lol Feb 13 01:32:21 bah, users Feb 13 01:32:31 * oil does most of his data storage the same way though Feb 13 01:32:31 dawm: docs look good! Feb 13 01:32:45 like in xbl app i think its friends, friend1, friend2, etc Feb 13 01:32:52 k good Feb 13 01:33:22 * halfhalo doesn't store datas Feb 13 01:33:37 dawm: you should have your tweet function check if the passed arg is an obj or a string.. if it's just a string then send{tweet: string}, if obj send the obj. Feb 13 01:33:51 i could do that Feb 13 01:33:57 right now it just passes everything Feb 13 01:34:03 fancy Feb 13 01:34:05 so you can use all the other parameters twitter offers Feb 13 01:34:19 dawm: yeah, but some people might just want to pass a string.. Feb 13 01:34:26 but checking would be a handy addition Feb 13 01:34:27 just an idea, up to you Feb 13 01:34:38 what if its a number? Feb 13 01:34:47 lol Feb 13 01:35:14 weirdest thing i found out Feb 13 01:35:32 when you unfollow someone, it spits back their user info and still has following: true Feb 13 01:35:33 oil: sucks for them Feb 13 01:35:35 that typeof(NaN) == 'number' ? Feb 13 01:36:16 if you unfollow them a 2nd time, it tells you you werent following them Feb 13 01:36:25 dawm -- yep Feb 13 01:36:39 dont know why they dont just set following: false when unfollowing Feb 13 01:36:43 so i can make preware make everyone follow me? Feb 13 01:36:44 xD Feb 13 01:36:45 dawm so you have to auto unfollow twice... Feb 13 01:37:06 well a successful unfollow returns the same data as a successful follow Feb 13 01:37:23 any other data means it failed Feb 13 01:38:51 since webos-internals is down .. im looking for a good dropbox alt Feb 13 01:39:01 im looking at dropboxify Feb 13 01:39:05 anyone else using it ? Feb 13 01:39:19 Josef_B: haven't tried it Feb 13 01:39:38 Tibfib what do you use for like a dropbox / share stuff over your computer / device Feb 13 01:39:39 I'm using dropboxify. Feb 13 01:39:46 Garfonso you like it ? Feb 13 01:39:48 I use dropbox on my pc Feb 13 01:39:51 i have, it's good enough and also your only choice right? Feb 13 01:39:54 never really needed it on y device Feb 13 01:40:00 yea but dropbox isn't in appcatalog Feb 13 01:40:09 Josef_B: why do you think webos-internals is down? Feb 13 01:40:11 It's quite useful from time to time, but you can only manualy download/upload things, at the moment. Feb 13 01:40:28 rwhitby not down not active .. Feb 13 01:40:33 rwhitby not chatting in #webos-internals Feb 13 01:40:51 its mostly the same people in the two channels... Feb 13 01:41:10 well, a recommendation for a good dropbox app is offtopic for a channel for discussion of webos internals Feb 13 01:41:28 unless we made one Feb 13 01:41:45 rwhitby bring up my next point .. since #webos is sdk and #webos-internals is internals what is the best place to talk about apps / off topic from original topic for each chan Feb 13 01:41:58 #webos-watercooler? Feb 13 01:42:01 #webos-watercooler Feb 13 01:42:03 #palm chan noboy ever talks Feb 13 01:42:33 I thought watercooler was changed...? Feb 13 01:42:44 #moble-watercooler or something Feb 13 01:43:08 or was that just another of those tricks you guys use to get rid of me? Feb 13 01:43:19 GAGA Feb 13 01:43:24 i just banned oil from #mobile-watercooler Feb 13 01:43:25 haha* Feb 13 01:43:27 sad Feb 13 01:43:31 * Josef_B is bored Feb 13 01:43:49 * Tibfib wins Feb 13 01:47:32 one thing i hate working from home is that my kids and wife have to be quiet while i take calls Feb 13 01:47:41 yet i hear them fighting all the time Feb 13 01:47:50 and risk customers saying .. so do you work from home Feb 13 01:48:16 :( Feb 13 01:48:22 what they'll be jealous? Feb 13 01:48:22 do you use a headset? Feb 13 01:48:42 yes i use a headset but i have 4 boys .. 9 7 5 7months Feb 13 01:48:43 very loud Feb 13 01:48:44 why is it a "risk" for them to know? Feb 13 01:48:45 0_o Feb 13 01:48:55 oil company dosen't want them to know Feb 13 01:49:06 thats kind of weirds Feb 13 01:49:10 yep Feb 13 01:49:11 need a throat mic Feb 13 01:49:25 get one of those robotic voice boxes Feb 13 01:49:45 get your wife and kids on the mic Feb 13 01:49:49 put them to work Feb 13 01:49:51 damn freeloaders Feb 13 01:49:57 cheap labor Feb 13 01:49:57 +1 Feb 13 01:50:06 slave labor? Feb 13 01:50:19 no! you are teaching them how to be responsible! Feb 13 01:50:38 do we have any info on whether Pre 2 will receive OS updates? Feb 13 01:50:40 bootstraps, I'm pulling them Feb 13 01:50:53 they just can't be working 40hour weeks or anything Feb 13 01:50:57 since they're children Feb 13 01:51:01 but they can still work Feb 13 01:51:03 lol Feb 13 01:51:26 i can't belive im following bruce sprinsting .. he never tweets Feb 13 01:51:27 shmeh. 40+ hours a week build character Feb 13 01:51:28 haeffb: no reason to think it won't Feb 13 01:51:38 if they're young enough, they probably can't count to 40 anyhow. Feb 13 01:51:46 haeffb: it hasn't been promised, so it's likely to happen ;) Feb 13 01:51:52 hahaha Feb 13 01:51:53 :) Feb 13 01:51:55 lol Feb 13 01:52:08 cue rimshot Feb 13 01:52:24 * rwhitby bbl - I'm here all week Feb 13 02:03:02 hay what's up? Feb 13 02:03:06 I was afk Feb 13 02:03:13 playing Nerf War! Feb 13 02:06:21 brb, Nerf War time baby!!!!!!! lol Feb 13 02:06:41 heh Feb 13 02:10:42 * Tibfib is bored Feb 13 02:10:54 bored?! Feb 13 02:11:30 something interesting is happening with my pre2 when i try to use aplay and arecord at the same time Feb 13 02:12:00 bpadalino: hmm ? Feb 13 02:12:32 i signed up for one of those credit card readers on https://squareup.com/ and i was trying to make it work on my pre2 Feb 13 02:13:23 i didn't think it was a fully passive device, but i tried swiping and looking for any bits toggling .. but nothing really happened .. Feb 13 02:13:28 just noise for the most part Feb 13 02:13:59 so i thought - hey, maybe it wants a tone or, if the audio is DC coupled, a DC bias on the L/R audio to give power .. Feb 13 02:14:05 to feed the mic input during a swipe Feb 13 02:14:28 so i have a program written in SDL which outputs a tone Feb 13 02:14:38 when i run that, and try to use arecord, it seems to timeout Feb 13 02:14:42 (arecord does) Feb 13 02:14:57 oh. don't know pdk stuff :) Feb 13 02:15:07 bpadalino: lost me at "aplay" Feb 13 02:15:14 :( Feb 13 02:19:16 wow today is lincols b-day Feb 13 02:19:56 the great emancipator Feb 13 02:23:19 * haeffb 's brain is being warped Feb 13 02:26:36 infinitely setting alarms is not a good idea Feb 13 02:26:51 ares log is still recovering Feb 13 02:27:35 i think i am losing my mind :( Feb 13 02:27:44 Tibfib, you use ares? Feb 13 02:27:50 nope Feb 13 02:27:56 bpadalino, I lost mine a long time ago :) Feb 13 02:27:58 just the ares log http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/ Feb 13 02:28:03 and debugger Feb 13 02:28:29 what Ares log do? lol Feb 13 02:28:39 is it like the one built into Ares? Feb 13 02:28:39 just shows the logs Feb 13 02:28:42 I think so Feb 13 02:28:43 i just had a looking-for-the-sunglasses-on-my-head moment :( Feb 13 02:29:09 I have had the "looking-for-phone-im-talking-on moment" lol Feb 13 02:29:14 :O Feb 13 02:29:23 yep Feb 13 02:29:36 I've had "looking for phone while listening to it in car" feeling Feb 13 02:29:54 and I'm only 15 (well, I will be in about 2 weeks :) ) Feb 13 02:30:04 I do that a lot with my iPod lol Feb 13 02:31:07 man, that was a good Nerf war! lol Feb 13 02:31:49 w00t im off work Feb 13 02:31:52 29 min OT Feb 13 02:32:03 im looking for a patch to change the dock at the bottom Feb 13 02:32:07 im in preware right now Feb 13 02:32:14 i only see 5x5 or 4x1 Feb 13 02:32:14 not a lot of those Feb 13 02:32:16 awesome! wanna send that extra moolah my way? lol Feb 13 02:32:35 disposable income? Feb 13 02:32:43 PatrickC_Pre: i tried to answer your question on dev forum... Feb 13 02:32:43 Tibfib lot of dock patches ? Feb 13 02:33:00 Josef_B: not a lot of patches on the dock Feb 13 02:33:06 haeffb, I saw that. I can't get the button set up lol Feb 13 02:33:09 there are a lot of launchers Feb 13 02:33:12 ...but I didn't know how muc of an answer you needed. Feb 13 02:33:16 much Feb 13 02:33:34 idk where to put all the code :p Feb 13 02:33:37 know what Feb 13 02:33:37 you have to do a this.controller.setupWidget(...) first Feb 13 02:33:41 there is no pont of that patch Feb 13 02:33:43 I have the code, just dunno where to put it Feb 13 02:33:54 why do you need contacts in the dock when you can use universal search Feb 13 02:33:56 0_o Feb 13 02:33:57 In your scene-assistant's setup() function Feb 13 02:34:02 but then what? I like ares better :) Feb 13 02:34:32 I tried that, copy-past from palms site, didn't work Feb 13 02:34:33 well...I'm not making you use straight mojo. :) Feb 13 02:34:34 late Feb 13 02:34:42 launched the app and nothin... Feb 13 02:34:42 pastebin what you have. Feb 13 02:35:04 can't do that ATM, not at computer that has data on it Feb 13 02:35:12 what's you're email? Feb 13 02:35:12 well. someday. Feb 13 02:35:26 I'll send you an email when I can pastebin it Feb 13 02:35:34 just ask in here...there's lots of people who will help. Feb 13 02:35:55 some will even be right. Feb 13 02:36:05 wow, some will be right?!?!?! Feb 13 02:36:10 when did this happen? lol Feb 13 02:36:15 O_o Feb 13 02:36:18 i've just discovered a huge (kinda) bug in webos Feb 13 02:36:28 what dumblebore? Feb 13 02:36:32 please tell Feb 13 02:36:35 I'm curious Feb 13 02:36:37 i cant recieve picture mail while on wifi Feb 13 02:36:44 what? Feb 13 02:36:52 wifi only? Feb 13 02:36:55 yeah Feb 13 02:36:56 I've never seen that Feb 13 02:37:00 isn't picturemail SMS? Feb 13 02:37:05 yea Feb 13 02:37:10 and data Feb 13 02:37:15 my friend sent me a pic like 2 hours ago (and i was connected to wifi) until i switched over to EVDO, then i immediately got it Feb 13 02:37:17 doesnt go over wifi Feb 13 02:37:23 I can't get mms unless I have data on Feb 13 02:37:36 apparently it uses data for pictures Feb 13 02:37:41 ... Feb 13 02:37:47 :3 Feb 13 02:37:53 I have a Pixi-, so I don't have wifi :'( Feb 13 02:38:01 I thought SMS was phone, not data Feb 13 02:38:03 sheesh. forgot about that Feb 13 02:38:11 sms is phone, mms is data Feb 13 02:38:11 SMS is, MMS isnt Feb 13 02:38:13 haeffb: pics is mms Feb 13 02:38:18 * Tibfib loses Feb 13 02:38:22 i upgraded the pixi- to a plus :3 Feb 13 02:38:24 FO EVA Feb 13 02:38:41 so is mms a combo or just data? Feb 13 02:38:49 but still, im sure even a verizon pixi would still expierence the same issue Feb 13 02:38:52 dumbledore, I havent.. I'm holding out for a new device! oh yeah Feb 13 02:38:56 sms, or mms wont send unless the device is registered to a carriers network Feb 13 02:39:01 afaik Feb 13 02:39:22 SMS sends while on wifi Feb 13 02:39:29 still is connected to sprint tho Feb 13 02:39:34 * haeffb doesn't use MMS. Scared I'll get a pic of Farve's junk. Feb 13 02:39:45 lol Feb 13 02:40:03 but im still kinda jelous my bros bb gets picture mail while on wifi :( Feb 13 02:40:26 shmeh Feb 13 02:40:28 dumbledore: just to be clear of the setup, you're saying that you still have cellular connectivity as well as wifi .. and you try to send an MMS, and it failt .. Feb 13 02:40:29 fails Feb 13 02:40:38 but when you switch to EVDO and turn off the wifi connection Feb 13 02:40:45 it sends or receives just fine ? Feb 13 02:40:48 yup Feb 13 02:40:53 interesting Feb 13 02:41:27 indeed. one of you may try it out for yourselves Feb 13 02:41:37 im sure it dosent matter if its a pre/pixi Feb 13 02:42:27 * haeffb isn't taking a chance on FarveJunk(tm) Feb 13 02:42:39 neat, i'll try it sometime Feb 13 02:42:39 lol take a picture of a spoon :P Feb 13 02:42:55 "there is no spoon" Feb 13 02:43:05 lol Feb 13 02:43:14 take a picture of darkness Feb 13 02:43:29 put your finger over the camera lens and send it to your pre/pixi via mms Feb 13 02:43:35 while on wifi* Feb 13 02:44:02 after all, a pic is a pic :3 Feb 13 02:46:01 dumbledore: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/227168-cant-send-mms-while-wi-fi.html - looks like there is a thread about this particular issue? Feb 13 02:48:04 i am guessing you're vzw ? Feb 13 02:48:13 nope. sprint pixi Feb 13 02:48:18 did the board swap Feb 13 02:48:18 interesting Feb 13 02:48:32 ... oh, i see Feb 13 02:49:12 yeah, this guy seems to have luck with sending mms over wifi on a sprint pre Feb 13 02:49:26 deilhmos - I can send and receive mms with wifi on and evdo off with sprint. I am almost sure this is a Verizon requirement so you need a data plan to send mms. That's just like them to do that and I have found a few posts in the verizon forum saying the same thing. Feb 13 02:50:50 from my naive understanding, i don't think MMS goes over wifi at all .. ever .. Feb 13 02:51:26 i believe what is happening, is that palm tries to route all data over wifi as long as it has wifi .. otherwise, it'll route over EVDO .. Feb 13 02:51:40 but, in the case of MMS, you need to send over EVDO all the time Feb 13 02:51:59 i see... Feb 13 02:52:19 in your case, what may be happening is the sprint configuration for the pixi does not have information for the EVDO exception since it never had another way of connectivity Feb 13 02:52:32 but that is all conjecture Feb 13 02:53:54 i see. i used metadoctor on the verizon doctor and flashed it onto my sprint pixi so it should have the propper configuration set there. but anywho, i hope palm is aware of it and fixes it sooner or later. wifi on sprint pixi is still kickass :3 Feb 13 02:54:34 you may want to try to look at the vzw and sprint configuration settings and see what the differences are between them .. Feb 13 02:54:47 Tibfib, your Will right? Feb 13 02:54:53 maybe there is an easy way to configure that data to always go over EVDO? Feb 13 02:54:59 dawm: yep, why do you ask? Feb 13 02:55:15 just giving credit where its due :P Feb 13 02:55:24 credit for what? Feb 13 02:55:29 nothing! Feb 13 02:55:34 maybe. hopefully everything is easily laid out and i can easily compare the two Feb 13 02:55:59 erg.. wtf Feb 13 02:56:25 oh, I see the commit Feb 13 02:56:27 my symlinks apparently arent working properly Feb 13 02:56:29 i wonder if sprint will ban me for poking around with their network :P (re-routing mms messages, etc...) Feb 13 02:56:42 thanks for credit.. although I wouldn't have cared if you didn't :) Feb 13 02:56:46 yeh the commit didnt apply changes inside the library directory Feb 13 02:58:28 dawm: nice, library is super easy to use Feb 13 02:58:38 so, if you're bored and want to read about my week in Panama City Beach (spoiler: nothing exciting happens)... http://haeffb.com/ Feb 13 02:58:54 and Tibfib, yes that is an elegant themes theme Feb 13 02:59:06 * halfhalo is making a form thingie for node Feb 13 02:59:22 lost me at "thingie" Feb 13 02:59:26 dang that elegant themes guy is good Feb 13 02:59:30 too much technical talk in here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 13 02:59:56 2011