**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 16 02:59:57 2011 Feb 16 03:00:07 but it would get done :) Feb 16 03:00:08 tell him you'll point him to the right individuals for $50 Feb 16 03:00:11 for free Feb 16 03:00:29 top men Feb 16 03:00:31 TOP Feb 16 03:00:32 men Feb 16 03:02:28 now its whineing about the sources.json again Feb 16 03:02:29 this guy wants to make $1000s at the blackjack table, it's a small price to pay Feb 16 03:02:51 PatrickC_Home: pro-tip: if you didn't change the sources.json, that isn't the problem Feb 16 03:03:09 i didnt change it, yet the log still complains Feb 16 03:03:11 lol Feb 16 03:03:29 that means you really broke something else so hard that it couldn't load the rest of sources.json Feb 16 03:04:22 it is really now happy Feb 16 03:04:30 now it wont push the support scene either... Feb 16 03:04:39 *not happy* Feb 16 03:04:45 is javascript case sensitive? example mojo.controller or Mojo.Controller Feb 16 03:04:55 Anivrom: case sensitive, yes Feb 16 03:05:06 very sensitive overall Feb 16 03:05:19 one tiny comma missing and the whole thing gets mad Feb 16 03:05:24 lol Feb 16 03:05:31 yea but jslint helps with that Feb 16 03:05:43 ahh yes JSLint Feb 16 03:06:28 JSONLint says that ths sources.json is valin Feb 16 03:06:29 #@!$ lists! AND THEIR MODELS. Feb 16 03:07:08 PatrickC_Home: that's because it is Feb 16 03:07:57 i konw Feb 16 03:08:00 just checking :) Feb 16 03:08:09 now time to check all 3 .js files Feb 16 03:08:20 Mojo.Controller.sceneController.modelChanged(this.cardsListModel) whats wrong with this? Feb 16 03:08:42 1 vaild .js file Feb 16 03:10:02 everything checks out Feb 16 03:10:05 time to try again Feb 16 03:10:40 it's still broken Feb 16 03:10:46 works Feb 16 03:10:49 yay Feb 16 03:11:04 woo! Feb 16 03:11:21 yep Feb 16 03:11:30 now time to get the button to open a website Feb 16 03:11:43 now, don't break it again! Feb 16 03:11:48 lol Feb 16 03:11:53 i wont (hopefully) Feb 16 03:12:19 IT PUSHED THE WEBSITE!!!!!!! Feb 16 03:12:24 now to get a list working Feb 16 03:12:35 no f'in way! Feb 16 03:12:41 im just making the bare bones of the app, as i dont have all the links that the app will lead to Feb 16 03:12:44 i know! Feb 16 03:12:49 i made something that worked! Feb 16 03:12:56 and it wasnt in ares! lol Feb 16 03:13:10 now, time to setup a list Feb 16 03:13:15 woohoo! Feb 16 03:13:28 yep, the list looks fun.. ;p; Feb 16 03:13:32 *lol* Feb 16 03:13:41 hmmm...good luck with lists! Feb 16 03:13:54 hi JenP !!! Feb 16 03:14:03 haeffb_pre!! Feb 16 03:14:07 hiya! Feb 16 03:14:31 hows life? Feb 16 03:14:51 good! yours? how was the vacation? Feb 16 03:15:06 hey JenP Feb 16 03:15:11 hi rod Feb 16 03:15:14 nice. cool but nice. Feb 16 03:15:36 some good seafood Feb 16 03:15:49 drank some beer Feb 16 03:15:54 relaxed Feb 16 03:15:59 nice Feb 16 03:16:05 sounds nice Feb 16 03:16:30 my scene is still empty :( Feb 16 03:16:40 well, im gonna call it a night for coding Feb 16 03:16:49 http://haeffb.com & read all 'bout it Feb 16 03:16:55 anyone want the code to play around with and make even better? lol Feb 16 03:19:33 well, im signing off the computer for the night Feb 16 03:19:37 ill be on the pre though Feb 16 03:19:53 bye Feb 16 03:20:09 nite PatrickC Feb 16 03:20:57 I'm still here haha :) Feb 16 03:21:05 lol Feb 16 03:23:32 haeffb_pre wanna make 15 bucks? Feb 16 03:23:46 I really dont wanna do this app anymore. lol Feb 16 03:25:28 I'll do it for $40 Feb 16 03:25:40 I'm only making 30 lol Feb 16 03:25:50 28.83 with exchange rate Feb 16 03:26:05 ya I know Feb 16 03:26:21 he pays me 30 $ you 10 Feb 16 03:26:39 screw that Feb 16 03:26:46 lol Feb 16 03:26:52 make your own sammich Feb 16 03:37:13 hi rboatright! Feb 16 03:59:02 hay Feb 16 04:05:39 anyone else on here sign up for the Free Pre2? Feb 16 04:06:07 huh? Feb 16 04:06:31 let me find the link Feb 16 04:07:10 I very seriously question your need for a Pre2 for development :p Feb 16 04:07:43 well, I am developing some apps that use 2.0 API's :) Feb 16 04:07:52 serously Feb 16 04:08:44 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/mojo-and-enyo-two-great-opportunities/ Feb 16 04:09:02 dadirtypanda, there ya go Feb 16 04:09:47 thx Feb 16 04:09:59 sine, were you the one making the Koto Player review? Feb 16 04:10:01 np Feb 16 04:10:15 yes Feb 16 04:11:02 how's it comin? Feb 16 04:11:20 I haven't started yet Feb 16 04:11:27 it's hard to review something if I haven't used it heavily :I Feb 16 04:11:28 so i guess the pre 2 can be considered the developer device? Feb 16 04:11:49 yes it can Feb 16 04:11:57 and yea, true dat SineOt Feb 16 04:13:48 oh, SineOt, we finally got Indexed by google! Feb 16 04:14:25 cool Feb 16 04:17:28 well, today was a very productive app day Feb 16 04:17:41 but not a productive skool day :p Feb 16 04:25:46 ://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/we-currently-have-no-future-hp-webos-equipment-scheduled-to-be-released-on-the-sprint-network-at-this-time-sigh/ Feb 16 04:35:19 nite Feb 16 04:55:50 grrr... that doesn't surprise me much about Sprint not carrying anything webOS Feb 16 04:56:59 Well that means my 13 years on that network is pretty much coming to an end. Feb 16 05:00:06 dgathright: It's amazing that a company like Sprint who wants to stand out doesn't want to jump at the chance of basically HP giving them a new smartphone on a Silver platter. They could even package it with the MyTouch. Feb 16 05:00:48 MyTouch? :p Feb 16 05:01:19 SineOt: I meant Touchpad, same bad connotation. Feb 16 05:01:31 hah Feb 16 05:01:33 It could be just as much Palm's decision as it is Sprint's. IMO, both probably blame each other for the perceived 'failure' of the Pre1 launch. Feb 16 05:01:56 I was going to say... Sprint would be doing some crazy stuff to bundle it with a Tmo Android handset! X3 Feb 16 05:02:54 the thing I'll miss most is the Sprint Developer APIs. Wonder if Verizon has any geolocation stuff like Sprint? Feb 16 05:02:59 dgathright: why would a phone manufacturer not offer a phone to a carrier to take. that's just silly. Feb 16 05:03:24 now, the price may not be right, but I doubt Palm has just forgotten to offer the new devices for Sprint to carry Feb 16 05:03:35 dgathright: hah! VZW cripples WebOS GPS. It's a known fact. Feb 16 05:04:18 Yeah, I'd imagine that Sprint, in their own special way, is wanting to go with high end Android sets Feb 16 05:04:30 things like the Evo, Epic, Echo Feb 16 05:04:39 not stuff like the Pre3 Feb 16 05:05:21 rwhitby: The politics of US carrier/manufacturer relationships is probably more complex than any of us can imagine. I'd imagine Palm will be going exclusive to Verizon then later to the other carriers for the near-future. Feb 16 05:05:25 SineOt: They seem to want 4G for the high end. They could offer the Pre3 as mid-range and for those that want convergence with other HP products. Feb 16 05:06:03 but why bother, Ziomatrix? They already have stuff like the Shift and... That samsung handset I can't really remember for the mid-range Feb 16 05:06:13 dgathright: I cannot imagine why HP would go exclusive with anyone, when they have tens of thousands of retail outlets. Feb 16 05:06:22 not to mention that Android gives them that bonus income source with Sprint ID or whatever it is Feb 16 05:06:46 Ziomatrix: The neat thing about the Sprint APIs is that it doesn't use the phone's GPS. They offer a RESTful API to get the latlong for any phone on the network (after they have opted in). Feb 16 05:07:36 rwhitby: I'd love for HP to not be exclusive, but that's just the way things go in the US for bigtime phones. Feb 16 05:07:43 HP has 88,000 retail outlets in 174 countries. Feb 16 05:07:50 dgathright: it explains why Sprint has the best mapping software among carriers across all platforms. Feb 16 05:08:27 Ziomatrix: http://developer.sprint.com/site/global/services/use_sprint/usesprint.jsp Feb 16 05:09:04 rwhitby: But you have to remember Verizon is big, almost Ma Bell big. When they work together with AT&T on lobbying it's basically like the good'ole days. Feb 16 05:10:29 with that API, I have 2.5 years of my latlong data, logged every 5 minutes that my phone is on. Feb 16 05:10:56 rwhitby: Ma Bell is old slang for the Bell Company that had a virtual monopoly over US Telecom for decades. Feb 16 05:11:19 yeah, I'm aware of your telecommunications history Feb 16 05:12:45 dgatheright: but yea, Sprint doesn't seem interested in WebOS anymore and would rather spend their budget wisely elsewhere. Feb 16 05:13:15 when is VZW's LTE network going to be nationwide? Not like 100% coverage, but just good enough coverage in the top-25 markets. Anyone know? Feb 16 05:13:41 dgatheright: Verizon is like Walmart in that they pit manufacturers against eachother knowing they can drive down the wholesale cost and get a sweeter deal. Feb 16 05:15:12 VZW vs Palm? Don't like those odds. VZW vs HP? Bring it on. Feb 16 05:15:37 same. hp has way more leverage that vzw in this case Feb 16 05:16:37 since hp could stop shipping their laptops with vzw modems in them easily Feb 16 05:16:54 (and vice versa.... gotta love those gobi chipsets) Feb 16 05:17:16 halfhalo: but that would hurt HP more then VZW Feb 16 05:17:40 not so much Feb 16 05:17:41 halfhalo: there's a reason why there's no WebOS 2 for Pre Pluses. Feb 16 05:17:49 Nah, people buying laptops don't care what carrier they come with Feb 16 05:18:50 What does VZW cost / month? Anyone a current subscriber for an unlimited plan? Feb 16 05:19:16 69+29 Feb 16 05:19:25 dgathright: I think it's approx $80 for 4G. Feb 16 05:20:00 SineOt: 29 is for the lowest data plan with a 50gb cap Feb 16 05:20:20 wow, you can get 1Gb/sec stationary and 100Mb/sec mobile on Verizon ? Feb 16 05:20:27 if you're pulling more than 50gb then I feel sorry for you Feb 16 05:21:33 SineOt: Many business users could for streaming presentation and remote access for CAD. Feb 16 05:21:49 LTE is GSM, right? Feb 16 05:21:55 yep Feb 16 05:22:17 yay, well that's a plus Feb 16 05:22:33 dgathright: but doesn't use a similar spectrum to CDMA? Feb 16 05:22:34 locked phones = teh suck Feb 16 05:23:07 Ziomatrix: carriers in the US seem to use whatever spectrum they like for whatever they like Feb 16 05:23:08 dgathright: VZW LTE sets are still gonna be locked somehow, I can feel it. Feb 16 05:23:30 t-mobile is the most open carrier in the us Feb 16 05:23:44 cause they have nothing else to offer, hah Feb 16 05:23:48 rwhitby: it seems to me LTE for VZW is going to remain exclusively data for a long while. Feb 16 05:24:15 good, that's the way it should be Feb 16 05:24:20 Ziomatrix: 2012 is when the first commercial lte voice devices are set to be released Feb 16 05:24:25 LTE is exclusively data - there are no voice circuits on LTE Feb 16 05:24:40 I think it was last week or so they placed the first "call" over it Feb 16 05:25:11 rwhitby: you think any carriers will adopt VOIP? Feb 16 05:25:16 Is it actual voice/phone, or just VOIP? Feb 16 05:25:31 LTE only has data packets, over which voice is carried Feb 16 05:25:45 it's VOIP Feb 16 05:25:45 VoLTE is what they're calling it Feb 16 05:25:46 I _think_ its voip... but its transparent to the user, which I like Feb 16 05:26:50 halfhalo: US carriers fear becoming common carriers or dumb pipes. Feb 16 05:33:02 I suppose I am a big boy and can finally get off my parents family plan, haha. Feb 16 05:33:47 dgathright: I wonder if MetroPCS will get the Pre3 or even Veer? Feb 16 05:35:42 has anyone ever successfully unlocked a CDMA WebOS device or is that taboo to chat about here? Feb 16 05:36:22 re Feb 16 05:36:33 hi? Feb 16 05:37:02 Ziomatrix: shy? ;^) Feb 16 05:37:51 Ziomatrix, I'm not sure how picky they are. a simple yes/no question of whether or not it has happened is just checking history, but I am sure a question of "how" or looking for pointers would not fly at all Feb 16 05:39:24 Zionmatrix: Even if you had an unlocked CDMA device, you likely won't be able to convince VZW or Sprint to activate it. Feb 16 05:39:50 unless you know someone Feb 16 05:39:57 or that Feb 16 05:40:08 and if you know someone, they let me in on it too. :) Feb 16 05:40:20 s/they/then Feb 16 05:40:34 in which case It's still a toss up on what device it is/if it's compatible with the system. Feb 16 05:40:41 RagingMind: I just read about hardware hacks to get Pre Pluses onto Sprint but I'm wondering if the ESN is cross compatible. Feb 16 05:41:24 RagingMind: thanks for the tip though. I shall stop now Feb 16 05:41:24 Ziomatrix: ESN is on the comms board which is transferred from the Pre- to the Pre+ Feb 16 05:41:26 dgathright: pretty sure verizon's policy is amenable to bringing unlocked CDMA devices on Feb 16 05:41:30 dgathright, you can go to the verizon website and register a new phone to your plan as long as it's not locked to something else Feb 16 05:41:38 Ziomatrix: the interface that Sprint sees does not change Feb 16 05:41:58 those hacks are to actually take the com board (kinda like the SIM card) from one Sprint phone and put it into any other compatible phone. Feb 16 05:42:47 so the most amazing thing just happened to me. I dropped my phone. Feb 16 05:42:50 though I'm still technically on an Alltel plan, so a lot of the options I"ve given are different than regular Verizon customers Feb 16 05:43:00 and the earpiece started working. :D Feb 16 05:43:02 *I'm Feb 16 05:43:09 rwhitby: MetroPCS claims they take most Verizon phones but can't guarantee all functions. I read Sprint sets are easier to unlock. Feb 16 05:43:18 ajay ragingmind: Ah, didn't know VZW was so open to that. I'm on Sprint and have never heard success stories of people getting VZW->Sprint phone activated. Figured it was the same vice-versa. Feb 16 05:43:48 geeksquadkid: wow I really wish that happened to my last pre :( Feb 16 05:43:53 dgathright: Verizon made several policies less regressive in '08.. month-to-month, outside devices.. Feb 16 05:44:26 torchie: I was pissed at first but after it restarted I called my voicemail and was like OMG Feb 16 05:44:39 I went into a sprint store to try to get them to fix my vz pre's power button, I told him it was just an a pre i wanted to activate.. he said i had to sign a 2-yr contract.. with my own device?! i was shocked.. guess i got to use to hearing what vz * tmobile allow.. Feb 16 05:44:48 the last phone I had on Alltel (the one I had during the transition) was actually a verizon phone that I'd bought off ebay that someone had unlocked and sold with an alltel firmware on it. I had no idea until I started checking serial numbers Feb 16 05:44:56 DONE Feb 16 05:44:58 and SENT Feb 16 05:45:02 w00t Feb 16 05:45:03 man I want to switch to a gsm carrier Feb 16 05:45:53 GSM in my area means 2G only Feb 16 05:45:54 torchie: why? Feb 16 05:46:22 sim cards Feb 16 05:46:32 ah Feb 16 05:46:42 you could get a smartphone without a data plan Feb 16 05:46:56 I assume Feb 16 05:46:56 ajay: I wonder if HP will offer the Pre3 CDMA without contract for a saner price like they did for the Pre2? Feb 16 05:47:40 * ajay doesn't really understand how to use twitter Feb 16 05:47:48 I'm out of the house, I imagine eventually I'm going to have to pay for my own cell plan — and I love smartphones too much Feb 16 05:48:18 Ziomatrix: it's unlikely, they seem to be vz's beezy lately, but i could be misreading the tea leaves Feb 16 05:48:36 do european gsm phones get 3G on t mobile USA? Feb 16 05:48:52 torchie: ironically no! Feb 16 05:49:02 at&t? Feb 16 05:49:07 nope Feb 16 05:49:12 as I said, US carriers choose non-standard frequencies for everything Feb 16 05:49:22 so euro gsms don't work on either us carrier's 3g? Feb 16 05:49:46 rwhitby: it's how the FCC has been selling spectrum in part. Feb 16 05:49:53 hmm Feb 16 05:50:21 gotta calculate the price of unlocked + cheap voice plan v. on-contract Feb 16 05:50:41 torchie: at least, i've been told the frequencies are different, which doesn't make any sense to me.. Feb 16 05:51:17 does the pre 2 use the same back/battery as the pre? Feb 16 05:51:36 basically, when building out the networks they used what they could purchase Feb 16 05:51:54 what was in use here is different than what was in use in Europe which was different than X, etc Feb 16 05:51:55 although all I'd trust to buy unlocked is moto defy Feb 16 05:55:15 goodnight all Feb 16 05:56:51 same Feb 16 05:57:06 like you plop down 500bux on this Feb 16 05:57:07 thing Feb 16 05:57:15 that's less durable than a nintendo Feb 16 06:00:29 Microsoft Buys Nokia for $0B. http://bit.ly/eVv3II Feb 16 06:03:05 out of curiosity: what's folks favorite google voice client and/or dialler app? Feb 16 06:05:34 I just realized the other day that I have gv set up and people call the number, but I have no way to call them back because I haven't bothered getting an app/dialer Feb 16 06:05:59 on here at least. or did you mean on any system? Feb 16 06:06:49 there seems to have been a lot.. p2googlevoice, dkgooglevoice, gdial pro.. and then non-google voice diallers about, like calling card ones, but i don't know much about most of these.. Feb 16 06:07:57 Zinge: there seems to have been a lot.. p2googlevoice, dkgooglevoice, gdial pro.. and then non-google voice diallers about, like calling card ones, but i don't know much about most of these.. Feb 16 06:09:19 hmmm.. I feel like I tried dk and gdial awhile back, but I don't have them on here anymore and don't really remember if I liked them. I'm not much help here, I'm afraid. Feb 16 06:09:56 * rwhitby is no help, since gvoice is only available in the US. Feb 16 06:10:02 Zinge: no worries.. was hoping someone else had thoughts, i know i'm not the only gv user.. ;) Feb 16 06:10:09 rwhitby: you shoulda signed up when you were here! :) Feb 16 06:10:24 ajay: I have an account. just can't use it outside of the US. Feb 16 06:10:38 I could do the whole proxy thing, but it's too much hassle for a dial tone Feb 16 06:10:47 yeah, no international texting anyways so it's moot Feb 16 06:10:57 rwhitby: so the dialling through gmail doesn't show up when you're logged in from abroad? Feb 16 06:11:21 correct Feb 16 06:11:55 hm, i guess i shoulda guessed, but damn, that's too bad.. i'd like to use it when i travel abroad.. Feb 16 06:22:04 http://www.scarleteen.com/article/boyfriend/does_your_relationship_need_a_checkup maybe i should post this when people post random hateballs, just tell them to do a thoughtful checkup! Feb 16 06:26:26 hello friends! Feb 16 06:26:29 pacbell? how .. quaint.. Feb 16 06:26:39 hello Feb 16 06:30:34 * ajay realized today he can't find the 'heart' symbol in the 'sym' menu.. eh? mirror, but no heart?? Feb 16 06:41:55 hello Feb 16 06:42:26 hi! Feb 16 06:42:36 I have a question regarding the webos versions, I tried to look it up on my own but I'm still confused Feb 16 06:43:18 what's your question? Feb 16 06:43:25 the current version working on the pre and pixi is webos 2.something and the one working on upcoming tablet is 3.0 right? Feb 16 06:44:02 i think only pre 2 can run webos 2 at the moment, but the touchpad is 3.0 Feb 16 06:44:10 hmmm ok Feb 16 06:44:13 everything else is running 1.4.5 Feb 16 06:44:14 and the mojo sdk Feb 16 06:44:29 ah ok Feb 16 06:44:51 and the mojo sdk is for developing for 1.4.5 and for 2.0? Feb 16 06:45:37 and enyo is for 3.0... Feb 16 06:46:06 enyo is meant for 2.0 Feb 16 06:46:08 and up Feb 16 06:46:38 mojo sdk i think is compatible with 2.0, and maybe 3.0, not 100% sure. Feb 16 06:48:18 its in 3.0 Feb 16 06:48:31 with a back button/etc at the bottom for navigation without a gesture Feb 16 06:48:33 I think they announced that it's compatible with 3, but will be run (on the touchpad running 3) in a smaller card with room for a gesture bar on screen since the touchpad doesn't have a gesture area. Feb 16 06:48:38 or something like that. Feb 16 06:49:00 what oil said :-) Feb 16 06:49:20 ok so lets say I want to learn programming for the webos Feb 16 06:49:22 yeah what oil said Feb 16 06:49:26 starting with 1.4.5 Feb 16 06:49:27 mojo Feb 16 06:49:38 isn't completely a waste of time right Feb 16 06:49:42 Right. Feb 16 06:49:46 ok thanks Feb 16 06:50:02 mojo's gonna be around for a bit Feb 16 06:50:09 but hp is pushing enyo as the future. Feb 16 06:50:14 so to sum it up phones are going to be mojo with mojo 2.0 sdk coming up soon and tablet is gonna be enyo 3.0. Feb 16 06:51:03 i don't think they're doing anything further with mojo, all the focus is going to enyo. Feb 16 06:51:28 hmmmm Feb 16 06:51:46 I don't remember if it's only 3.0 that supporting enyo, or if 2 will be getting enyo eventually but not at 2.0. Feb 16 06:52:38 hmmm ok thanks a lot Feb 16 06:53:10 if you want something that will run on devices now, use mojo. If you want to be using what will eventually be the default, but may not have any devices that can run it for several months if not more, use enyo. Feb 16 06:54:07 And if you want something that will work on every tangible device from now to the future... try crayons? :-) Feb 16 06:54:27 :) Feb 16 06:54:43 if you want something to work on everything make it web-based Feb 16 06:55:16 that way you won't have to go through any approval process Feb 16 06:55:24 I personally haven't been able to decide if I want to write more stuff in mojo, learn enyo, or just wait on everything till I know if I can even can a new webos phone. Feb 16 06:55:52 even buy* Feb 16 06:56:30 i'm just going enyo. 4 months is a long time though to build an app and have no one to sell it to. Feb 16 06:57:41 You can sell it to yourself over and over and over again. Think of the profit! Feb 16 06:57:53 omg i'll be a bazillionaire! Feb 16 06:57:54 But yes, that's one of the issues that people have been worried about. Feb 16 07:01:24 Goodnight all. Feb 16 07:30:02 morning Feb 16 07:35:15 morning Feb 16 07:35:46 hi Feb 16 08:18:38 anyone awake? Feb 16 08:19:01 nope Feb 16 08:19:11 bummer Feb 16 08:19:17 because i need help Feb 16 08:19:21 :( Feb 16 08:19:23 i am a c coder using mojo Feb 16 08:19:32 how do i EDIT a TEXT FILE Feb 16 08:19:36 you're a ccoder? I don't believe that for a minute! Feb 16 08:19:56 hehe Feb 16 08:19:57 i realize kids these days don't edit files, they use SQL calls Feb 16 08:20:05 ajay: that's how i roll, son Feb 16 08:20:18 here's my issue Feb 16 08:20:25 cCoder: I never would have guessed that you were a c coder, that's all I'm saying.. i'll leave this disc alone now tho.. ;^) Feb 16 08:20:51 there is an http upload function exposed by mojo that needs a filename as an input Feb 16 08:21:09 i need to create a file and upload it using this function Feb 16 08:21:12 cCoder: if you're asking how do you edit a text file on the device from Mojo, the answer is you cannot unless you use homebrew services. Feb 16 08:21:20 mother of god Feb 16 08:21:30 i was afraid that that was the answer Feb 16 08:21:56 in webOS 2.0, you can use javascript services to do it Feb 16 08:22:07 i've been reading docs for about 2 days, all the while saying 'there's no way they'd release this without text editing' Feb 16 08:22:09 really? Feb 16 08:22:09 but 99% of currently owned webOS devices will never run webOS 2.0 Feb 16 08:22:29 2.0 hardware is our target, actually Feb 16 08:22:38 there's no way to edit text files from mojo? It seems like there's multiple text-editing solutions, they're all DB-driven then? Feb 16 08:22:41 :/ Feb 16 08:23:21 ajay: so it seems. basically, one can retrieve the data, but not a filename for it, which is what the http function needs Feb 16 08:24:03 rwhitby: can you point me to the function docs? i feel like i have looked for it and didn't see it Feb 16 08:24:42 cCoder: you will need to apply for early access and sign an NDA to access webOS 2.0 documentation. yes, I'm not joking. Feb 16 08:25:03 * ajay /kicks Palm for their 2.0 SDK under NDA Feb 16 08:25:21 rwhitby: got that Feb 16 08:25:36 later folks! Feb 16 08:25:37 i wasn't sure if it was cool to discuss it here, but you went first Feb 16 08:26:01 it's not cool to discuss the contents of it Feb 16 08:26:02 ajay: peace out Feb 16 08:26:25 and you're not even allowed to say whether you're in it or not, so I can neither confirm nor deny that I am Feb 16 08:26:40 but the existence of it is public, as is the means to apply. Feb 16 08:27:36 in that case, the previous statement i made regarding 2.0 is a spontaneous work of speculative fiction Feb 16 08:27:43 heh Feb 16 08:27:53 lol Feb 16 08:28:20 cCoder: I don't believe they have sued anyone for saying they were in it :) Feb 16 08:28:39 that's reassuring Feb 16 08:29:00 new topic: 'how can hp alienate developers' Feb 16 08:29:22 replicate the last week continuously ? Feb 16 08:29:43 what was last week? Feb 16 08:30:25 the announcement that "legacy" devices (e.g. all webOS devices ever sold by a carrier) will never get a webOS 2.0 update Feb 16 08:30:46 wow, i missed that Feb 16 08:31:04 sounds like they're alienating consumers, too Feb 16 08:31:19 kindt of Feb 16 08:31:37 the thing is, i don't really have an idea of who the webOS user is Feb 16 08:31:38 My next app will not be Mojo because of that decision Feb 16 08:32:00 it may be that this is a wise architecture split at some level Feb 16 08:32:28 so PDK, or is there something other than that and mojo available? Feb 16 08:33:28 @ hotdp ^^^ Feb 16 08:34:26 hotdp: if your next app is not Mojo, you will not see significant sales of it for at least 6 months. Feb 16 08:34:41 cCoder: there is not Feb 16 08:35:11 well, from my name, you can tell that i'd rather be PDKing Feb 16 08:35:43 however, are the mojo interface widgets and stuff accessible from the PDK? Feb 16 08:36:06 rwhitby: i know about the sales, but they are not great anyway now... so enyo it will be. Feb 16 08:37:13 you're also betting on whether the Veer or Pre 3 will start with Enyo support, and how quickly it will be added lately. Remember how long 2.0 has taken to come to "legacy" devices Feb 16 08:37:45 you got a point Feb 16 09:07:03 hi guys Feb 16 09:07:09 hi Feb 16 09:07:13 another quick question Feb 16 09:07:14 hi Feb 16 09:07:23 can anyone get the enyo sdk Feb 16 09:07:29 with the early access thing Feb 16 09:07:36 or do you really have to be an established developer Feb 16 09:07:43 with published apps and so on Feb 16 09:07:43 ? Feb 16 09:09:01 rwhitby might nknow Feb 16 09:09:07 *know Feb 16 09:09:30 well last statement I remember is that anyone with a developer account can have it Feb 16 09:10:21 http://pdnblog.palm.com/2011/02/preview-enyo-with-sdk-early-access-program/ Feb 16 09:10:26 this link states... anyone can join Feb 16 09:11:31 ok thanks Feb 16 09:11:54 but application takes a while Feb 16 09:11:59 i'm still waiting Feb 16 09:12:24 yes Feb 16 09:12:29 that is correct Feb 16 09:12:40 emre, what will you do ? Feb 16 09:13:03 what a question... i bet he'll create quality enyo apps Feb 16 09:15:35 Are maybe leak and violaite the NDA since he might not be developer? Feb 16 09:15:38 *or Feb 16 09:15:46 * gour sent email due to not having option to choose 'croatia' as country in drop-down list, but no reply so far Feb 16 09:16:04 did you send to pdc? Feb 16 09:19:13 yep Feb 16 09:19:39 pdc at palm dot com Feb 16 09:22:29 oki Feb 16 09:22:37 give et some days Feb 16 09:22:50 he is busy with early access Feb 16 09:23:01 general development question: Why would one provide a patch (via preware) for spax? Since it's open source afaik, what's the deal with patching instead of contributing? Feb 16 09:23:15 I want to develop some apps for webos what else :) I think the "6 months before you can sell anything" is actually a good thing. iOS appstore and Android market are both full of apps. It might actually be a good idea to start developing now and have something to publish/sell in 6 months Feb 16 09:24:38 but I was confused about the sdk's available. I mean it looks like enyo will eventually be the sdk to develop for. Phones and tablets. So why not start with enyo directly. Feb 16 09:31:12 emre: roger Feb 16 09:31:23 i also think that it makes sense to start with enyo considering i'm looking to use veer/pre3 phone...otoh, we plan open-source app Feb 16 09:47:16 yeah.... the one good thing is that developers have plenty of time to make their apps Feb 16 09:47:56 joetweeply: i have developed for a while Feb 16 09:48:10 i have never had this 'plenty of time' to which you refer Feb 16 09:48:19 haha Feb 16 09:48:24 good point :D Feb 16 09:48:25 does hp call your boss or something? Feb 16 09:48:43 what do you mean? Feb 16 09:48:55 to get the 'plenty of time' Feb 16 09:49:09 an hp rep calls the boss and says 'LAY OFF BRO' Feb 16 09:50:24 don't you think 5-6 months is plenty of time to make at least one app? Feb 16 09:50:36 perhaps Feb 16 09:50:57 but once people get wind of the fact that there is enough time, more stuff gets added Feb 16 09:51:17 ah oh so you don't develop on your own? Feb 16 09:51:23 i do Feb 16 09:51:34 i have ~4 projects at the moment Feb 16 09:51:46 everyone wants revisions from the future, unfortunately Feb 16 09:53:00 i'm really excited about the documentation status and the possibilities for enyo Feb 16 09:54:33 it would be nice if enyo is here to stay so that one does not have to re-learn many frameworks Feb 16 09:57:51 haha Feb 16 09:57:56 i doubt that Feb 16 10:00:00 well actually i don't care too much about the learning... that i get pretty easily... but rewriting is not a nice thing... so i like the fact that mojo will stay in webos3 too Feb 16 10:00:34 rewrite makes better code Feb 16 10:02:00 sure that... it's just so silly Feb 16 10:08:47 i'm not full-fledged developer living from webOS development, so would like to carefully invest my free time to learn worthy things and not just jumping as monkey from one framework to the other...that was/is advantage of meego & qt Feb 16 10:09:12 gour: damn straight Feb 16 10:10:06 well i don't make a living developing apps... although i try to get money for further devices and start off developing on my own Feb 16 10:10:16 hoping to be able to make a living by that Feb 16 10:11:31 gl :) Feb 16 10:13:12 i'd not protest getting some money for further devices, but considering we need 3rd party C-lib which is dual-licensed (gplv2+ or prop.) i doubt i'd cash 750 CHF for a license hoping it would return by the sale Feb 16 10:30:30 hm i get a error E_ACCESDENIED when trying to start the emulator on win7 Feb 16 10:30:33 any idea? Feb 16 10:32:43 with only 1 'S'? Feb 16 10:36:13 lol of course not Feb 16 10:37:06 maybe run as admin? Feb 16 10:37:17 otherwise ask google Feb 16 10:37:24 that guy is really smart Feb 16 10:38:29 currently looking through google Feb 16 10:41:39 not so smart this time it seems Feb 16 10:49:26 hm no could not finhd anything Feb 16 10:50:29 did you reboot 3 times? Feb 16 10:55:46 reboot 3 times? Feb 16 10:56:25 what would a 2nd and 3rd reboot do that the first one didn't? Feb 16 10:56:43 it's a joke from an online comedy thing Feb 16 10:57:18 there's an IT guy that plays halo instead of working so he gives advice that makes people waste time Feb 16 10:58:07 http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/ Feb 16 10:58:17 maybe not safe for work, btw Feb 16 10:58:44 home office ;) Feb 16 10:59:07 yeah i think it's episode 1 Feb 16 11:35:47 lol Feb 16 12:26:23 does anyone know when ares will support enyo? Feb 16 12:26:40 ares barely supports mojo Feb 16 12:26:47 lol Feb 16 12:27:05 that's like asking a kid with cancer about when he's going to learn to pole-vault Feb 16 12:27:12 joetweeply i belive they will release it when the beta of enyo is ready Feb 16 12:27:22 cCoder: it is a good q Feb 16 12:27:29 okay so until then i have to code it by myself? Feb 16 12:27:30 heh Feb 16 12:27:34 because Ares IS the DK for enoy Feb 16 12:27:37 SDK Feb 16 12:27:55 take a look from dev days in NYC Feb 16 12:28:17 that's why i ask... because for making the views ares is just great Feb 16 12:28:45 Maybe there will be a import function Feb 16 12:29:28 but digg in, i don't think it is waste of time creating without Ares Feb 16 12:33:03 its sad that there is no german mobile service provider that sells the Pre2 Feb 16 12:33:16 and Pre3 is still month away Feb 16 12:33:23 tell me about it Feb 16 12:33:33 my last resort is this developer device program Feb 16 12:33:52 is sad you can not even buy any phone in denmark from palm Feb 16 12:33:57 developer device program? Feb 16 12:34:07 we can all complain but its not worth anything Feb 16 12:34:26 in germany you need to order from the UK store afaik Feb 16 12:34:28 zbenjamin: https://developer.palm.com/blog see here Feb 16 12:36:25 just write a mail to them and you could recive one for free? Feb 16 12:36:43 dunno.... i wrote a mail and now am waiting Feb 16 12:36:56 try it out Feb 16 12:37:05 hm yeah why not Feb 16 12:37:31 btw can you help me with my emulator problem? I always get a E_ACCESDENIED message when trying to start it Feb 16 12:37:38 win7 64bit Feb 16 12:37:50 virtualbox is installed Feb 16 12:37:58 java is there Feb 16 12:38:35 from virtualbox itself? Feb 16 12:38:46 hello guys Feb 16 12:38:47 no when i run the run_emulator.bat Feb 16 12:39:04 does anyone know a tutorial for complete newbies for developing with webos? Feb 16 12:39:38 uh.. then i can't help sorry.... i am developing on linux Feb 16 12:39:48 joetweeply: there is a PDK on linux? Feb 16 12:39:48 I am trying to develop a static list (which I'll fill dynamically later on) and since I can't really debug the javascript code it's very painful Feb 16 12:39:50 depends martinhacks Feb 16 12:40:14 so sdk... the o'reilly book on webos development was great Feb 16 12:40:32 zbenjamin: no... i develop my pdk apps on linux and then port it over on a xp machine Feb 16 12:40:39 I have it, but it's still a bit complicated to follow Feb 16 12:40:50 where are you stuck martinhacks? Feb 16 12:40:54 at least for me I mean the example they use (the news reader) Feb 16 12:41:05 I want to implement a static list Feb 16 12:41:19 you ever tried ares martinhacks? Feb 16 12:41:21 I define my model in my assistant and want to run the code Feb 16 12:41:28 nope not yet Feb 16 12:41:40 try that out... it's very easy and helps you a lot with the widgets Feb 16 12:41:42 but I refuse to use visual aids (hardcode java programmer here :D ) Feb 16 12:42:04 ok I'll give it a try, at least for the simple stuff Feb 16 12:42:06 thanks joetweeply Feb 16 12:42:29 you're welcome... just ask yourself what your goal is. do you want to learn it the hard way or do you want to accomplish something Feb 16 12:44:06 joetweeply: now you have to tell me how i can use my linux box to develop apps for WebOs ;) Feb 16 12:45:11 I want to learn the hard way Feb 16 12:45:21 easy... you install the emulator as described on the dev-page and go for it Feb 16 12:45:22 because I really want to get to know the sdk Feb 16 12:45:31 yeah done that Feb 16 12:45:42 but it kind of bothers me the inabillity to debug the code Feb 16 12:45:57 what i do is i prepare the view in ares, and when that's done, check everything out and put it into my notebook and do the rest Feb 16 12:46:14 well martinhacks i debug with palm.log.info ... and this works fine for me Feb 16 12:46:29 it is a bit tedious ... but coming from php you are used to it i guess Feb 16 12:47:14 well I guess I'm spoiled Feb 16 12:47:20 I'm used to debug from within eclipse Feb 16 12:47:27 if you wanna learn the hard way this is the only way Feb 16 12:47:43 oh i know that.. i ditched eclipse and use scite now Feb 16 12:48:03 joetweeply: ever thought about using the internals widk thing? Feb 16 12:48:25 well once... but as you don't get support for the official app catalog i never tried it out Feb 16 12:48:26 I think I'll stick to eclipse for now Feb 16 12:48:40 thanks again for your help joetweeply Feb 16 12:48:50 good luck on your way Feb 16 12:49:00 thank you, you too Feb 16 12:49:05 thx Feb 16 12:49:21 joetweeply: that means i can not put the apps into the store? Feb 16 12:49:55 actually i don't know, just assumed i guess because when it's not compiled with the pdk then there is no certainty Feb 16 12:50:30 i always try to use the official supported stuff to avoid any pitfalls Feb 16 12:50:46 yeah ;) Feb 16 12:51:09 put what in store? Feb 16 12:51:36 what do you mean? Feb 16 12:52:09 hotdp: apps written with the witk sdk Feb 16 12:52:20 joetweeply: email sent Feb 16 12:52:31 * zbenjamin joins joetweeply with waiting Feb 16 12:52:54 for the early access or for the device program? Feb 16 12:53:13 yep Feb 16 12:53:22 maybe i can use real hardware to port Feb 16 12:53:27 that would be much easier Feb 16 12:53:49 especially when i need to make the touchapi work ;) Feb 16 12:54:06 yeah i always recommend to test on real hardware Feb 16 12:54:41 is pre2 multitouch capable? Feb 16 12:54:51 pre already is Feb 16 12:55:09 nice, and can you get those events in c++? Feb 16 12:55:21 saw it in the reference yeah Feb 16 12:55:26 good ;) Feb 16 12:55:40 and that's actually the good part, you get to use standard sdl stuff Feb 16 12:56:03 the fingers are sdl-mouse-events Feb 16 12:56:06 yeah i saw it already Feb 16 12:56:09 ah cool Feb 16 12:56:15 the accellerometer is the sdl-joystick-event Feb 16 12:56:21 that nice Feb 16 12:56:33 no proprietary apis Feb 16 12:56:35 cool ;) Feb 16 12:56:56 that's actually why i don't get the no linux support thing Feb 16 12:57:02 since qt is already working on linux i just need to handle the gui part Feb 16 12:57:10 because i do develop my games on linux and then just compile it in the pdk on windows Feb 16 12:57:22 because of a gazillion distros developers could use Feb 16 12:57:52 means for me i need to write a sdl'ish qt on linux and just recompile it for webos then Feb 16 12:57:54 theoretically Feb 16 12:58:39 just try it out Feb 16 12:58:57 first i need to get the emulator working ;) Feb 16 13:02:19 can't help you with that... on ubuntu i never had any issues Feb 16 13:05:44 zbenjamin: port? Feb 16 13:08:04 hotdp: well to support the WebOS ui Feb 16 13:10:54 hotdp: or is there already a useable Qt for WebOs Feb 16 13:11:08 hi all Feb 16 13:11:58 hey Feb 16 13:13:46 is there a way to render the HTML of a UI in eclipse Feb 16 13:13:59 render? Feb 16 13:14:00 to see the result without having to deploy it on the meulator Feb 16 13:14:08 no Feb 16 13:14:13 that sucks ... Feb 16 13:14:20 in Ares you can see it Feb 16 13:14:33 yep but Ares is web based Feb 16 13:15:16 something like droiddraw would be usefull Feb 16 13:15:41 hmm Feb 16 13:15:44 i dont see the problem Feb 16 13:15:48 android gets droiddraw, winphone gets visual studio visual editor Feb 16 13:15:50 when the emulator is runing Feb 16 13:15:51 and webos ... Feb 16 13:16:00 it take like 2 sec to deploy in the emulator to test Feb 16 13:16:01 it's not a problem, it is just not efficient Feb 16 13:16:07 to deploy and see the result Feb 16 13:16:13 ahh Feb 16 13:16:19 you like the drag en drop? Feb 16 13:16:19 may be it's just me ;) Feb 16 13:16:30 don't like it but should be present Feb 16 13:16:32 dragdrop is for kids Feb 16 13:16:41 ;) Feb 16 13:16:51 I code assembly and kernel programming daily Feb 16 13:16:58 webos has ares qxn Feb 16 13:17:00 yet I think here drag and drop Feb 16 13:17:01 at work we dont use gui editors at all! Feb 16 13:17:06 is useful .. Feb 16 13:17:40 welcome melchiorsen_ Feb 16 13:17:47 thx Feb 16 13:17:49 joetweeply: yep hotdp mentioned that as well but it's web based Feb 16 13:18:09 where's the problem with that? Feb 16 13:18:51 i keep recommending to do the frontend stuff in ares, and the backend stuff then in your development environment of choice Feb 16 13:19:07 hmm joetweeply its not that good Feb 16 13:19:16 because the gui Ares renders if very different Feb 16 13:19:22 and hard to edit out of Ares Feb 16 13:19:39 joetweeply: I was actually thinking of starting doing that but was wondering if somehow a plugin or tool was available Feb 16 13:19:48 that's why i finish it in ares and never touch it outside Feb 16 13:20:21 well i know of noe qxn sorry Feb 16 13:20:48 thanks just needed to make sure ;) Feb 16 13:21:34 joetweeply: you tell me that you can create a gui and then dont neeed to edit it AT ALL later? Feb 16 13:21:48 i don't belive it, sorry Feb 16 13:22:32 do you develop for a living hotdp? Feb 16 13:22:47 yes Feb 16 13:22:59 web based development? Feb 16 13:23:12 yes Feb 16 13:23:14 if you have done the necessary requirements analysis it's doable Feb 16 13:23:15 at work i often get ready made interfaces that need deep functionality Feb 16 13:23:44 so the client never says "ohh i need a extra label there" Feb 16 13:23:49 yeah... that's mandatory.. you need a full feature requirements sheet Feb 16 13:24:21 well if these things happen, going back to ares is no problem. i did that once too, just put the project back up there and add the stuff Feb 16 13:24:22 in my world the requirements sheet ALWAYS changes.. if not for version 1.0 then for version 1.1 Feb 16 13:24:33 there will always come extra features and bug fixes Feb 16 13:25:19 what? Feb 16 13:25:30 you can not "import" projects in Ares Feb 16 13:25:38 only export Feb 16 13:26:33 sure you can Feb 16 13:26:35 i did it Feb 16 13:27:05 joetweeply: oreilly webos book is still relevant fro 2.x or 3.x...i guess not Feb 16 13:27:07 * hotdp opening ares for the first time in like 6 month Feb 16 13:27:29 gour1: the mojo stuff is Feb 16 13:27:54 joetweeply where is the "import" button? Feb 16 13:28:09 joetweeply: thanks..since we're starting, we'll wait for enyo and possibly some new book Feb 16 13:28:17 there hotdp ... click on the little button next to "please select folder" in the bottom left box Feb 16 13:28:22 so you can import your local project in Ares so you can change GUI stuff and then package and export again Feb 16 13:28:38 that's how i did it a while ago hotdp Feb 16 13:29:09 plz select folder? Feb 16 13:29:17 click on applications and then the button helps you out, or just drop the package in there... but this does not work all the time Feb 16 14:10:26 hi guys Feb 16 14:10:56 haters.hate() Feb 16 14:11:04 lol Feb 16 14:15:48 oh how i hate waiting Feb 16 14:16:50 joetweeply, what are you waiting for? Feb 16 14:17:29 oh right now for my early access ... or any answer of the qualified developer device program ... Feb 16 14:18:22 ah, ditto for early access Feb 16 14:18:45 or my car .. i need new beer Feb 16 14:18:56 heh, mmm beer Feb 16 14:19:29 as we all know... no decent coding without decent beer Feb 16 14:19:43 behind every good code lies a great developer who had good beer Feb 16 14:19:57 joetweeply i dont think my boss agree Feb 16 14:20:57 when it comes to mobile development, i'm my own boss Feb 16 14:21:09 hehe Feb 16 14:21:17 my work time development... well .. there is no heart in it ;) Feb 16 14:21:28 you need a new job then Feb 16 14:21:30 at least not my true heart Feb 16 14:21:40 no sense in working for something you don't believe in Feb 16 14:21:51 nah i'm actually fine with the job... great work/life balance... and pays the bills Feb 16 14:22:13 after work i become this second developer for webos... like the batman of mojo Feb 16 14:22:16 and hopefully enyo Feb 16 14:28:12 hehe Feb 16 14:28:30 enyo rockstar at night Feb 16 14:34:15 hell yeah Feb 16 14:34:55 i'm totally down with a first idea for my first enyo project... now just waiting for the mail to arrive Feb 16 14:44:08 yo Feb 16 16:40:40 what's up? Feb 16 16:42:26 up is what's not down Feb 16 16:42:51 true that Feb 16 16:43:02 how's it goin? Feb 16 16:46:20 do I want to work on apps, or do school.. to do school, or no to do school? that is the question Feb 16 16:47:12 bbl Feb 16 16:47:35 hi tmandry Feb 16 16:49:20 funkatron! hay Feb 16 16:49:31 hello Feb 16 16:50:09 what is the best way to take Emu screenshots? Feb 16 16:53:54 hi guys is there a way to use wrap elements in webos with the prototype object? Feb 16 16:55:27 PatrickC_Pre: what OS? Feb 16 16:55:46 XP Feb 16 16:56:06 I know how to do the default one Feb 16 16:56:08 that I'm not sure about Feb 16 16:56:26 but like you do on-device, like the "Alt Sym 'P'" Feb 16 16:56:32 where are those stored Feb 16 16:57:01 they are stored under Photos Feb 16 16:57:12 but I don't think you can take them under emu Feb 16 16:57:22 I'd use a windows screenshot tool Feb 16 16:57:23 ooo. I know now Feb 16 16:57:28 email them to me Feb 16 16:57:32 lol Feb 16 16:57:36 that too 8D Feb 16 16:58:07 martinhacks: what do you mean? Feb 16 16:58:07 lol shift + printscreen on windows xD Feb 16 16:58:09 if I can figure out the command :p Feb 16 16:58:30 but then I have to trim the screen to make it look nice :p Feb 16 16:58:48 but then you would have a picture lol Feb 16 16:58:55 you don't want to take the whole screen Feb 16 16:58:59 evening Feb 16 16:59:03 I'd just get a good screenshot tool for win Feb 16 16:59:06 ctrl-alt-prtscr == active window Feb 16 16:59:36 sugardave: have I ever told you how much I love you bahahaha Feb 16 16:59:57 * sugardave bows. Feb 16 17:00:28 sugardave, but that gives me the entire thing (with the bar on top to close the program) Feb 16 17:00:42 yep Feb 16 17:01:03 I usually paste it into gimp and crop it Feb 16 17:01:04 lol Feb 16 17:01:13 I use paint Feb 16 17:01:21 I don't really like gimp Feb 16 17:01:30 one question...i'm quite familiar what was the hardware quality of old palm pilot device as well as hp15c calc which is still alive, but my hp1100 printer died too soon and i now i own kyocera...so how does today palm/hp phones compare with e.g. iphones and/or samsung galaxy s models regard the hardware quality? Feb 16 17:01:51 heh, 600 for wifi only xoom... Feb 16 17:02:27 gour: I haven't had any of those phones, so I can't say Feb 16 17:02:28 I'm not sure an HP Palm phone has been released. the Pre2 really predates it Feb 16 17:02:40 that's what i think Feb 16 17:02:48 Pre2 still says Palm Feb 16 17:02:53 Veer will now I believe Feb 16 17:02:56 the Pre2 is nicer. it feels less junky than the Pre. it's not as good a build as the iPhone Feb 16 17:03:13 funkatron you have a pre2 ? Feb 16 17:03:15 Apple has great build quality Feb 16 17:03:22 what about androids, e.g samsubng, htc Feb 16 17:03:27 Josef_B: yes, and a Pre Plus, and an iPhone 3 & 4 Feb 16 17:03:31 nice Feb 16 17:03:36 funkatron is it a verizon pre2 ? Feb 16 17:03:41 no, it's a UTMS phone Feb 16 17:03:45 dang Feb 16 17:03:50 I'm hoping to get a dev pre2 :) Feb 16 17:03:55 I have a Sprint Pre 2 Feb 16 17:04:32 anyway, I don't know much about android phones, and there are like a trillion, so build quality will vary I'm sure Feb 16 17:04:33 gour, its build is not as solid as samsung or Moto phones, I would say on par or better than HTC Feb 16 17:04:39 no loose pieces I can tell Feb 16 17:04:54 anyone get an email from the dev program about the pre2 yet? Feb 16 17:05:03 funkatron: i was thinking about higher-end models of samsung etc. Feb 16 17:05:12 never used them, gour Feb 16 17:05:25 bionicRobot, waiting to get one back Feb 16 17:05:41 CTLAdvance: so, it means one is lucky to survive 24months with 'em? Feb 16 17:05:42 but I can compare them to the iPhones. nothing I've used is as good in terms of build quality Feb 16 17:06:03 gour: think if you don't toss them around and step on them and shit it'll be fine Feb 16 17:06:06 iphones also don't have a slider or keyboard. makes the build different. Feb 16 17:06:07 Pre2 WIll survive 24 months, Pre / - + wont imo Feb 16 17:06:11 but the original sprint pres failes a bunch Feb 16 17:06:33 hmm. I'm getting a sprint pre from my sister for development. Feb 16 17:06:36 hello Feb 16 17:06:56 failes? Feb 16 17:06:56 CTLAdvance what you mean pre + won't survive Feb 16 17:07:06 i think the Pre2 will be nice with the Gorilla Glass screen Feb 16 17:07:14 CTLAdvance they just need webOS 2x they should be fine Feb 16 17:07:15 thanks...anyone remmbers how old is 15C calc? keyboard is still great..."those were the days..." Feb 16 17:07:22 The Pre+ is just a Pre- with a little more storage Feb 16 17:07:36 Pre -/+ wont survive, you will need replacements Feb 16 17:07:42 mmm, more RAM Feb 16 17:07:51 well, RAM/Storage Feb 16 17:08:02 CTLAdvance if AT&T cam get me a pre2 that would be nice Feb 16 17:08:02 and missing ball in the center Feb 16 17:08:14 you can get a pre2 for 450 Feb 16 17:08:23 or 250 is ur lucky with the discount Feb 16 17:08:57 or free I'd they email you back. Feb 16 17:08:58 PatrickC_Home no money .. i have to find a pre2 somewhere or when ATT offers it cheap or whatever i can get it Feb 16 17:09:20 well, palm extended the free pre2's to all qualified developers Feb 16 17:09:27 Josef_B Feb 16 17:09:51 Get a developer Pre2 (free now for devs) and put your sim card in the pre 2 Feb 16 17:09:52 done Feb 16 17:09:58 my Pre - is 20 months today. Feb 16 17:10:00 They will send you an att one Feb 16 17:10:21 Josef_B, i will send u a link Feb 16 17:10:34 I was all excited to get a real webos device. then HP dropped that lttle bit of news Feb 16 17:10:47 http://m.precentral.net/hp-extends-free-developer-pre-2-program-all-qualified-developers Feb 16 17:10:52 I still have the doctors for 2.0 will they still work? Feb 16 17:11:06 bionicRobot - They will cause data loss Feb 16 17:11:07 bionic robot, what doctors Feb 16 17:11:28 the doctors from the developer ftp server Feb 16 17:11:35 Any of the old 2.0 doctors that do not exist if you use them will cause issues going forward, you should revert Feb 16 17:11:35 PatrickC_Home i don't kno whow to program remember ? Feb 16 17:11:42 those are NDA and not to be talked about here :) Feb 16 17:11:48 bionicrobot - we dont talk of those things here Feb 16 17:11:51 just trying to keep people out of trouble Feb 16 17:12:13 from the topic Feb 16 17:12:15 " Honor thy NDA! " Feb 16 17:12:17 sorry? I thought since they are all over the torrent sites by now, the cat was out the bag Feb 16 17:12:27 it is, but they are still NDA Feb 16 17:12:35 illegal copy proliferation doesn't make it okay Feb 16 17:12:45 Josef_B, use Ares, and visit the forums. Feb 16 17:12:57 i can help you with most the things you need help with in Ares Feb 16 17:13:02 hmm Feb 16 17:13:05 just no SDK help from me :) Feb 16 17:13:09 www.palm.ares.com Feb 16 17:13:14 no Feb 16 17:13:18 ares.palm.com Feb 16 17:13:26 and do the FlickrSearch app tutorial Feb 16 17:13:33 I laugh at the "cool"kids using the old version when there devices get corrupted and they loose data Feb 16 17:13:34 oh yea.. been a while since ive been there lol Feb 16 17:13:37 lol Feb 16 17:13:50 lol Feb 16 17:14:27 I had a launcher icon for 4sq on my Pre 2 that has disappeared as of the last app update. Feb 16 17:14:30 weird Feb 16 17:14:36 now it's just a blank space Feb 16 17:14:59 man, the webview app doesnt work :( Feb 16 17:15:00 lol I used the old one. lasted 2 days till I missed my real profile. Feb 16 17:15:00 time to log Feb 16 17:15:14 why r we talking about the NDA doctors? lol Feb 16 17:15:30 banana pantcakes? Feb 16 17:15:41 mmmm banana pancakes Feb 16 17:15:53 * geeksquadkid is learning to fly.... but he aint got wings... Feb 16 17:16:24 * PatrickC_Home is learning to code, but lost his brain yesterday thanks to sugardave Feb 16 17:16:32 * PatrickC_Home and all those log Feb 16 17:17:09 who here has been to Carls Jr. Feb 16 17:17:26 http://webos.pastebin.com/KHY5kLSM Feb 16 17:17:33 someone want to tell me what this means? Feb 16 17:17:34 thanks Feb 16 17:18:55 PatrickC_Home, is it like this? http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10771 Feb 16 17:19:00 those are just messages that are generated by the WebView Feb 16 17:22:01 bigbash, but i dont have a list Feb 16 17:22:14 what if they just gave pre2's to everyone with a pre Feb 16 17:22:18 now that would be nice Feb 16 17:22:24 that would be nice Feb 16 17:22:31 but i dont think thats going to happen :) Feb 16 17:22:44 nopw Feb 16 17:23:00 nope but hp/webos base would be happpy and devs would be happy right ? Feb 16 17:24:02 they would, but HP would have no money left to make new devices :) Feb 16 17:26:07 Pre2 is still an ourdated device now, it prob wont get the updates to match veer and pre3 Feb 16 17:28:31 how hard is it to configure git? Feb 16 17:28:45 i couldnt get it to work on my Win7 x64 machine Feb 16 17:28:51 try SmartGit Feb 16 17:29:01 * PatrickC_Home goes to google SmartGit Feb 16 17:30:25 Actually, since were all stuck at 1.4.5 for now, I wish they would give us a 1.4.5 build for the pre2 Feb 16 17:31:23 actually it would be cool if the virtualized the OS so we could load into some linux shell and then pick our versions, 1.4.5 and 2.0.1 or what ever future update Feb 16 17:31:29 for devs only Feb 16 17:31:42 load up a vm Feb 16 17:33:26 yeah. doubt they'll put the resources into it, but yeah. Feb 16 17:34:22 i agree, but it would be cool Feb 16 17:36:28 first call of the day im getting yelled at Feb 16 17:36:31 0_o Feb 16 17:36:48 wife? Feb 16 17:36:53 no im at work Feb 16 17:36:56 i work from home Feb 16 17:36:58 so? Feb 16 17:36:58 0_o Feb 16 17:37:02 its a customer yelling Feb 16 17:37:15 yell back? Feb 16 17:37:23 I'm here now Feb 16 17:37:24 and get fired Feb 16 17:37:25 yea right Feb 16 17:37:29 :) Feb 16 17:37:31 got disconnected Feb 16 17:37:34 lol Feb 16 17:38:15 * PatrickC_Pixi needs a more reliable way to get on the 'net Feb 16 17:40:00 do you know if it takes a long time to have access to the Beta SDK Program (Enyo) after we have accepted the term of the licence ? Feb 16 17:40:39 well, Chuq has a ton of requests coming in Feb 16 17:40:50 * sugardave looks beyond and sees LOTS of black magic. Feb 16 17:41:30 * PatrickC_Pixi looks beyond and sees a webOS PC sitting in his room Feb 16 17:41:54 * PatrickC_Pixi and a webOS toaster in his kitchen next to his webOS microwave and fridge Feb 16 17:43:38 as soon as the pre got connected to the computer, I accidentially turned it off :( Feb 16 17:43:56 r00kie Feb 16 17:44:22 PatrickC_Pixi> that's what I tought, I'll wait until Chuq could deal with my case Feb 16 17:44:55 yea, he is rediculasly buisy with enyo just being announced Feb 16 17:45:30 * PatrickC_Pixi is setting up smartgit Feb 16 17:48:29 oh man Feb 16 17:49:01 do I use the Non-Comercial license (only difference is no support) or the 30 day eval Comercial License Feb 16 17:52:35 solely for non-commercial purposes. A purpose is non-commercial only if it is in no manner primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation. Feb 16 17:52:46 so this means i can use it if i dont plan to make money off it? Feb 16 17:55:22 Since they ard doing away with the gesture area, all developers should build a 1/2 inch black bar at the bottom of our apps to simulate the old area, in protest of this removal... Feb 16 17:55:36 a virtual gesture area Feb 16 17:56:10 that would be cool Feb 16 17:56:47 I wonder what they would say if all of there 3rd party apps came with a gesture bar in response to this Feb 16 17:57:27 I doubt they would do anything, but if we openly distributed the code, and got most of the devs on board, it would be pretty interesting Feb 16 17:57:29 but you saw my coding experience :) Feb 16 17:57:39 i dont think i could code that if someone paied me lol Feb 16 17:57:53 The code could be written and openly dirtributed amongst everyone so its plop and drop Feb 16 17:58:15 maybe change a function or so to move to your propper scene Feb 16 17:59:51 I would assume they would need an on screen button if there is no gesture area, but i dont see a reason why they wouldnt have both Feb 16 17:59:54 that would be hilarious Feb 16 17:59:54 anyways Feb 16 18:00:22 make it where the faux-gesture area can be hidden/displayed at will Feb 16 18:00:50 why not just make it there all the time until they crack from all of the ugly being built into there 3rd party apps Feb 16 18:00:55 then well enable that option Feb 16 18:01:26 or make only 2.0 apps :) Feb 16 18:01:45 so there are no apps for the 1.4.5 phones anymore Feb 16 18:02:01 and they have to give into the 2.0 doctor distribution Feb 16 18:02:06 nah, make a faux gesture area simulator, which has little whit text "this wouldnt be here if the gesture bar was included on this device" Feb 16 18:02:17 haha Feb 16 18:02:23 is it safe to change my default root password or is the default recommended for dev/daily useage stuff ? Feb 16 18:02:33 so if they had 500 non partner, 3rd party apps and 95% of them all had this big black bar Feb 16 18:02:48 they would freak out Feb 16 18:05:27 * PatrickC_Pixi still installing SmartGit Feb 16 18:13:21 almost done setting up SmartGit Feb 16 18:13:46 DONE!! Yay Feb 16 18:13:48 lol Feb 16 18:37:24 my wife just watched the touchpad on youtube with me Feb 16 18:37:26 she was like wow Feb 16 18:37:37 im like yea you know you want a pre phone Feb 16 18:38:44 ANyone here use the Epic Feb 16 18:38:51 whats an epic ? Feb 16 18:38:52 4g on sprint Feb 16 18:39:03 Its an android slider Feb 16 18:39:11 nop Feb 16 18:39:44 well, smartgit is dumb lol Feb 16 18:39:47 bbl Feb 16 18:39:49 time for lunch Feb 16 19:08:26 Tibfib: ping Feb 16 19:32:51 howdy Feb 16 19:40:41 http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post/3330188156/pixelfari Feb 16 19:41:18 AproposTS: you are.. like a touchstone? ;^) Feb 16 19:54:31 Chanel increased Feb 16 20:02:38 hm, looks like the touchstone doesn't work plugged into USB? Feb 16 20:04:18 Nope Feb 16 20:04:32 USB barely has any juice Feb 16 20:08:23 That's kind of confusing.. touchstone charges slower than plugging cable in straight, but yet it needs more juice. Feb 16 20:08:35 sounds.. inefficient Feb 16 20:08:41 hmm Feb 16 20:08:46 it is Feb 16 20:08:51 i fell usb charge is the overall slowest? Feb 16 20:09:16 damn, apparently the most unattractive accessories on men are 1) Bluetooth headsets (Which i rarely wear) and 2) cell phone Holsters.. Feb 16 20:09:28 what? I love holsters! they're so practical+cool, how are they unattractive! Feb 16 20:15:31 someone is listening to yesterdays bol Feb 16 20:20:35 I hate holsters Feb 16 20:22:41 ajay_: inductive charging is significantly less efficient than plugging in a wire, involves much more energy loss Feb 16 20:23:14 though for our purposes still reasonable Feb 16 20:23:44 destinal-work: hm, then why am i using it? I hate inefficiency! Feb 16 20:24:17 anyone got an answer from devmarketing? Feb 16 20:24:19 hi Feb 16 20:24:22 ajay_: touchstone should still charge faster than USB to a PC I think Feb 16 20:25:22 the effective current to the device is 500ma (PC USB) 750ma (touchstone) 1a (palm wall charger) Feb 16 20:26:22 destinal-work: hmm.. interesting.. Feb 16 20:26:27 i wonder what my car charger is Feb 16 20:26:37 i tried running 'battery monitor' but the numbers jump around so much Feb 16 20:27:01 * ajay_ says macbook wheel, always a classic: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA :) Feb 16 20:28:25 I don't want fast charging, i want energy efficiency Feb 16 20:29:43 ajay_: reall? 10% less energy efficiency in charging isn't a big deal to me for the convenience of no cords Feb 16 20:30:15 touchstone discussion I take it? P: Feb 16 20:30:24 SineOt: yup Feb 16 20:32:08 ajay_: also btw I think you need 850ma or greater current capacity from your car charger. Feb 16 20:32:11 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/185907-touchstone-list-working-3rd-party-power-adapters.html Feb 16 20:32:45 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12477764 Feb 16 20:32:47 destinal-work: Oh.. I just realized that the car charger i have supports the touchstone, so clearly it's outputting more than my USB. Interesting. Feb 16 20:32:56 Yeah, the touchstone loves juice. Feb 16 20:32:56 dawm: we need context man! Feb 16 20:33:26 no Feb 16 20:33:27 Man, Git Tower finally announced pricing! :C Feb 16 20:33:33 59$ Feb 16 20:33:40 ew Feb 16 20:33:53 ajay_: USB charger spec can do up to 1000ma (1a) , usb on your PC, 500ma Feb 16 20:34:53 but there's a student discount for half off Feb 16 20:35:04 destinal-work: charger spec can do up to 1.8A! Feb 16 20:35:14 SineOt, Tower looks awesome! Feb 16 20:35:16 and so can USB on your PC but it's not required to support it Feb 16 20:35:24 Tower -is- awesome, I've been using it through beta Feb 16 20:37:17 oh damn no Nokia Plan B. eh Feb 16 20:43:47 So has anyone heard back from the devmarketing@palm.com account yet? Feb 16 20:44:04 SineOt: no :( Feb 16 20:44:18 I emailled them for dev coupons last week and haven't heard back from those emails either Feb 16 20:44:30 they're probably swamped Feb 16 20:44:30 anyone an idea who is "qualified" for hp and who not for getting a pre2? Feb 16 20:45:09 anybody interested in workin on working on a slydial port for webOS? Feb 16 20:45:23 leiru: as rwhitby has been saying, email them with why you want one. They'll make that decision. The only KNOWN factor is that you aren't qualified if you just sit and ask if you're qualified and never email :p Feb 16 20:45:28 err, rm one "workin on" frmo that sentence Feb 16 20:45:30 ajay_: slydial? Feb 16 20:46:17 SineOt: i wrote them a mail, few hours ago, but was asking for details about their progam :| Feb 16 20:46:34 SineOt: makes it easy to dial into someone's voicemail box, skipping the ringing/convo.. ;^) (avail in US-only, of course(?) Feb 16 20:46:56 I asked them for deets as well. I Assume it'll be the same as the free Pre+ Feb 16 20:47:08 anyone herd from the Palm people about the free pre2's? Feb 16 20:47:28 PatrickC_Home: I think that's what we're talking about :) Feb 16 20:47:30 oh, hmm. Cool Feb 16 20:47:33 * sugardave sighs. Feb 16 20:47:43 didnt see that :) Feb 16 20:47:46 ajay_: slydial seems pretty awesome Feb 16 20:47:56 I'd love to help with graphics and some coding :] Feb 16 20:48:03 SineOt: cool! Feb 16 20:48:09 should we have emailed the person who delt with us on the Pre+'s? Feb 16 20:48:22 PatrickC_Home, you should email who Palm tells you to email :p Feb 16 20:48:37 lol Feb 16 20:48:38 ok Feb 16 20:48:40 did that Feb 16 20:48:49 PatrickC_Home: ditto what SineOt said.. i mean, i did email the person who dealt with me on the Pre+, but i don't think that she's going to reply :) Feb 16 20:48:50 waiting for a box to come to my door ;) Feb 16 20:49:05 (again, last week i sent that email) Feb 16 20:49:06 was it Adora? Feb 16 20:49:13 close, Adela Feb 16 20:49:16 I should email her and tell her how my app development is coming along, hmm. Feb 16 20:49:23 ahh, i think i had Adora Feb 16 20:49:34 brb shower time :) Feb 16 20:49:40 interesting .. i wonder how different people got tasked to diff people :) Feb 16 20:49:45 just chat in the shower, np Feb 16 20:50:24 ajay_: a slydial app shouldn't be too hard I don't think Feb 16 20:50:35 famous last words Feb 16 20:50:41 yea, ill just bring in my Pre with the waterproof shower protector i got from the R&R team at Palm Feb 16 20:50:53 SineOt: I don't think so.. Feb 16 20:51:28 sugardave: all you'd basically need to is chain dial Feb 16 20:51:43 PatrickC_Home: you mean a ziploc bag? :p Feb 16 20:51:47 I really like one aspect of gDial pro over all other non-stock diallers i've used, it'd be nice if it was OSS'd Feb 16 20:52:12 SineOt: well, that's the easy way to do it, and i was going to crack into dkGoogleVoice to make it a slydialler Feb 16 20:52:38 I'm really hoping someone gets their hands on the Verizon webOS doctor soon Feb 16 20:52:44 keep forgetting my palm calendar's synced with my gmail / mac calendars Feb 16 20:52:50 because Skype is integrated into the stock dailer app Feb 16 20:52:52 SineOt: the better way would be to use their APIs, a la the official google voice app, no chain-dialling, etc Feb 16 20:52:56 and that API would be KILLER Feb 16 20:53:03 ajay_: do they have an API? Feb 16 20:53:21 SineOt: but it's making calls using minutes, so i don't really think you could extract anything Feb 16 20:54:06 SineOt: Well, they may not have a public API (hence the reason i emailled them), but they definitely have a methodology to remove the need for chain-dialling Feb 16 20:54:51 and, as a side-benefit (last I used the app), there weren't ads present either Feb 16 20:55:48 SineOt: Looks like Vz skype's going to do what the official google voice and slydial apps are doing, from what I can tell - making calls using a special phone number. Feb 16 20:56:09 omg my Palm Pixi+ has been shipped.. i almost forgot about that damned thing! Feb 16 20:56:28 i hope I can still sell it and profit! Feb 16 20:57:22 ajay_: I don't think the Verizon Skype app uses minutes... It's unlimited to other skype users Feb 16 20:57:45 SineOt: really? hmm.. i thought that was the 'gotcha' Feb 16 20:57:47 and with any modern phone being able to do VoIP, why bother doing POTS>VOIP if you can just do VOIP? Feb 16 20:58:40 pots: it's easier to get a good phone signal than a good (enough) data signal. I'm pretty sure their non-data phones have skype on them, is part of the reason i say this too Feb 16 20:59:20 Huh, I guess it does route over the voice network Feb 16 20:59:31 but somehow marks itself as being different so it doesn't use your plan minutes Feb 16 20:59:53 i started to read what uall have been talking about, and got confused :p Feb 16 21:00:04 i dont use Skype, so i dont need it Feb 16 21:00:58 SineOt: Yeah you're right.. but i don't quite get why they were so .. to do a deal Feb 16 21:01:21 i guess i better text skype and see.. ;^) Feb 16 21:02:31 Skype is awesome if only for the fact that I can make international calls and not get stabbed in the face Feb 16 21:02:45 same with international texts Feb 16 21:02:57 is anyone else seeing github down? Feb 16 21:04:42 i'm excited for several reasons.. skype.com/vzw == burn. but then it gives me a link to dl skype, but that just tells me how to setup skype on the pre2 Feb 16 21:06:28 what are these tools palm talks about that makes it easy to port iOS apps? Feb 16 21:07:01 hmm Feb 16 21:07:02 PatrickC_Home, it gave me the 500 error but it seems good now Feb 16 21:08:31 hey, do you guys have a good bit/screwdriver set you recommend for tiny hex screws like the Pre? Feb 16 21:09:08 i don't, but wouldn't the set depend on what else you wanted to do? Feb 16 21:10:25 I want to unscrew screws. Feb 16 21:10:36 haha Feb 16 21:10:46 don't lie to me. I know you have more malicious intents! Feb 16 21:10:49 hahah Feb 16 21:11:17 first, you're unscrewing screws.. before you know it, you've voided warranties! the slippery slope begins Feb 16 21:11:27 it's broken anyway 8D Feb 16 21:11:28 And then you are screwed Feb 16 21:11:34 *rimshot* Feb 16 21:12:00 although I should look into that Feb 16 21:12:02 funkatron: go to Fry's Feb 16 21:12:09 no Fry's locally, but yeah Feb 16 21:12:14 * ajay_ barfs a little in his mouth at mention of "Fry's" Feb 16 21:12:15 there's a kit by Boxer Feb 16 21:12:29 meh, Fry's is good in a pinch Feb 16 21:12:30 I got a nice one from lowes a while back Feb 16 21:12:31 that will have basically a billion tips including Torx tips Feb 16 21:12:36 cost like 4 bucks Feb 16 21:12:38 right Feb 16 21:16:30 $4?? what i want one! Feb 16 21:17:04 I decided to go through HP/Palm support Feb 16 21:17:13 horrible plan Feb 16 21:17:16 Adora, you stay quiet Feb 16 21:17:30 funkatron harbor freight Feb 16 21:17:44 ?? Feb 16 21:19:31 * sugardave just had an "I'm a complete dumb-ass" moment. Feb 16 21:19:42 moving on Feb 16 21:22:05 what'd you do, sugardave? :p Feb 16 21:24:21 hay Feb 16 21:24:37 so.. I'm back :) Feb 16 21:25:08 SineOt: made some things WAY too dificult Feb 16 21:25:20 (my usual trick) Feb 16 21:25:44 :] Feb 16 21:28:11 remind me, Android doesn't use X, correct? Feb 16 21:29:59 nope Feb 16 21:30:11 sounds right.. So only Meego uses X? strange Feb 16 21:30:37 successful consumer unix/unix-likes don't use X Feb 16 21:30:55 * ajay_ is pondering how difficult it could be for Alien Dalvik to port to webOS if they've got Meego Feb 16 21:31:30 i can't imagine why they chose meego as their first target, sounds like the most difficult path Feb 16 21:31:51 alien dalvik stay away Feb 16 21:32:02 "come again another day" Feb 16 21:32:05 android apps are for android Feb 16 21:32:16 a native a day keeps the doctor away Feb 16 21:33:04 we'll see.. if Palm updates google maps (better yet gets google Nav) that'll be a bit more appealing for me.. Feb 16 21:33:39 but in the meantime google Nav (and earth and maps), gmail and the gVoice clients on Android are on point. That's all I really want from android--those 3 apps Feb 16 21:34:34 then i'd be happy. I agree with SineOt, hopefully Palm is opening up their Dialler to external apps, but.. (I'm thinking no) Feb 16 21:35:54 I just want skype group chat and support from big dogs and niche dogs Feb 16 21:36:26 university's releasing mobile apps for some of their clubs/services Feb 16 21:36:28 torchie: Can I at least set your phone up so that when you get a txt it says "drooiiid"? Feb 16 21:36:33 and it's like "now on iphone, ipad AND android!" Feb 16 21:36:35 like that's all there is Feb 16 21:37:08 iPhone AND iPad? Wow! Who knows, one day it may even be available for the (more used?) device -- the iPod! Feb 16 21:37:15 lol Feb 16 21:37:57 that's pretty amazing, they coded for like 3 major platforms Feb 16 21:38:03 [not! :) ] Feb 16 21:38:36 howdy everyone Feb 16 21:38:39 howdy Feb 16 21:38:43 Oh, you know, they probably ported to meego first because it's the most open platform Feb 16 21:38:52 more like two major platforms Feb 16 21:39:06 the duopoly's settling in and must be stopped Feb 16 21:39:10 torchie: I said "not" :) Feb 16 21:39:20 it was interesting seeing the Vz CEO saying he didn't want a duopoly.. Feb 16 21:39:21 lol Feb 16 21:39:43 it's interesting how the carriers want more competition so that they can still play manufacturers against each other.. so even when we win, we lose? Feb 16 21:39:54 I think that's the end result of all of this Feb 16 21:40:00 maybe consumers are just Feb 16 21:40:02 destined to lose. Feb 16 21:40:32 we need our own cell phone company and devices Feb 16 21:40:46 oh c'mon P|C, 500? poo Feb 16 21:41:19 i was hoping that 4G would see the advent of VoIP providers, doesn't look like we're quite heading that way tho.. Feb 16 21:41:27 s/500/504 Feb 16 21:42:33 Feasability question: My old PalmOS treo had a cool app that allowed blocking calls matching certain number patterns. New to WebOS, but I want to code something similar (better) for WebOS. Can anyone tell me if the appropriate hooks exist to allow an app to preempt an incoming call based on CallerID or other channel-associated data? Feb 16 21:42:39 * Tibfib keeps getting annoying college letters Feb 16 21:42:49 If so, there's an EVEN COOLER app that I would like to write. Feb 16 21:43:39 hmm, that's funny that PalmOS has all these features still missing from webOS, and they make excuses on how it's not possible.. but it was possible before? Bogus Feb 16 21:44:09 still want month view in tasks Feb 16 21:44:36 there's a difference between "impossible" and "allowed in the app catalog" Feb 16 21:44:51 anything is possibleeee Feb 16 21:44:51 It is my understanding that WebOS 2.x has far more available to a dev than before, such as access to Microphone etc. Feb 16 21:45:01 sugardave: :-) Feb 16 21:45:09 kfife: more than likely what you describe would be limited to homebrew Feb 16 21:45:15 sure, i mean that they don't provide any APIs for it, so the way you do it may change from 1.4.5 to 2.0 to 2.1 to.. Feb 16 21:45:19 but I'd bet it is technically possible to do Feb 16 21:45:27 Fu¢|< Feb 16 21:45:58 is there anything other than a mic that 2.x offers (in terms of APIs?) camera? Feb 16 21:46:05 seems pretty limited to me Feb 16 21:46:09 we cant discuss that Feb 16 21:46:23 I was able to pair my bt keyboard to my pre2 Feb 16 21:47:01 ajay_: Sugardave: I thought about homebrew, but naturally it makes it less accessible to people. Feb 16 21:47:01 sugardave: sure.. but slightly diff than an API for devs Feb 16 21:47:07 how hard is it to make a sprint pre2? Feb 16 21:47:14 not hard Feb 16 21:47:16 PatrickC_Pixi: I saw it done on feb9th, looked easy! Feb 16 21:47:17 unpossible Feb 16 21:47:30 anyone here done it? Feb 16 21:47:37 I did it back in early jan, very easy Feb 16 21:47:39 I might make one Feb 16 21:47:39 works well Feb 16 21:47:43 I did Feb 16 21:47:44 > Feb 16 21:47:51 So the take home message is that there's none such API's to create a call-blocking application in the 2.x API's? Feb 16 21:48:06 kfife: you're not in early access i take it? Feb 16 21:48:13 kfife and ajay we couldnt confirm nor deny that even if they did exist which we cant say anyway Feb 16 21:48:20 Just signed up. Ain't heard back Feb 16 21:48:39 kfife: without access to a public 2.x SDK I couldn't say Feb 16 21:48:46 PatricC_Pixi - I made a pre2 Feb 16 21:48:48 CTLAdvance: There have been pieces of info put out, is what i'm getting at. not trying to break NDAs Feb 16 21:49:03 * ajay_ *shakes fist at Palm for still private 2.0 SDK* Feb 16 21:49:08 * ajay_ double fist for no Linux PDK Feb 16 21:49:11 just because they have been put out doesnt mean we can confirm them Feb 16 21:50:38 CTLAdvance: You can tell me. I won't tell anyone!. :-) If I blab it, you can have my Pee-Wee-Herman replica bicycle. Feb 16 21:50:46 ooo! Feb 16 21:50:51 ooo replica Feb 16 21:50:52 ajay_: one more fist for me for the no linux pdk thing Feb 16 21:50:56 is it full scale? Feb 16 21:51:11 CTLAdvance: double the size Feb 16 21:51:26 Even comes with the full length locking chain Feb 16 21:51:44 hmm... no no, I value my permissions to much Feb 16 21:51:50 troll someone else please Feb 16 21:51:59 It's right outside the office here. Looks like a big ball o' nickel-plate chain. Feb 16 21:52:12 :-) Feb 16 21:52:22 kfife: maybe email palm's dev email about it, maybe they'll get back to you faster than they did about the EA invite.. and then you can sneak in another EA invite ask :) Feb 16 21:52:43 CTLAdvance: you tease! Feb 16 21:52:47 anyone work with the money printing api yet? Sugardave? Feb 16 21:53:10 ajay_: Good idea. I wann'a know when they're going to get back to me about my discounted dev device. Feb 16 21:53:41 i don't use a money printing api. I enabled the bluetooth nfc function to act as a credit card pulling cash from your account Feb 16 21:54:27 Does WebOS have a call-dropping app like the AT&T iPhone? ...zing! Feb 16 21:54:42 oops app was supposed to be API Feb 16 21:54:49 call-dropping API Feb 16 21:54:50 zing? more like sting, its called the end button Feb 16 21:54:52 ooooo Feb 16 21:54:58 much "green"er Feb 16 21:55:37 CTLAdvance: you continue to participate even though you don't want this disc? even i'm getting mixed signals, and i'm just a fly on the wall Feb 16 21:55:47 :) Feb 16 21:55:58 what disc? Feb 16 21:55:59 kfife: ya know, "There's no App for that," as they say in the Palm commercials Feb 16 21:56:04 discussion of api Feb 16 21:56:16 oo, looks like Hpalm's looking to get meetups going again! Feb 16 21:56:20 we are discussing false api's Feb 16 21:56:24 I can neither confirm nor deny massive success using a money printing API Feb 16 21:56:36 ppht Feb 16 21:57:31 OK sugardave, thats kind of where I was at, but I cant confirm nor deny receiving an error message that I ran out of paper when paper was clearly loaded, maybe I forgot to call the CheckPaperStack() method Feb 16 21:58:20 * sugardave notes problems with his HP printer, as well. Feb 16 21:58:23 anyone here in the vicinity of Palm? Feb 16 21:58:30 oh admob, how I love your random cash deposits Feb 16 21:58:43 now THAT's a money-printing api Feb 16 21:58:48 money p-rinting API MUST function printer webOS Feb 16 21:59:00 s/printer/on printer/ Feb 16 21:59:00 sugardave: does it require a webOS printer? Feb 16 21:59:03 * CTLAdvance cusses out his HP OfficeJet Pro 8500 with eprint for not eprinting crap ... ARG!!! Feb 16 21:59:04 or toaster? Feb 16 22:00:00 ajay we cant confirm nor deny the existence of any webOS kitchen appliance Feb 16 22:00:07 thats under NDA right now Feb 16 22:01:46 CTLAdvance: um, you can't quite talk about the api without making it clear you have more info - what device actually does the printing - you've pretty much broken nda already Feb 16 22:02:34 I never said what device prints money, it could be a standard issue printing system Feb 16 22:02:54 doh Feb 16 22:04:02 I wish they'd either deny or confirm the existence of my developer device discount coupon Feb 16 22:04:43 kfife: they sound.. always-busy! Feb 16 22:05:19 everyone ready for the No Gesture Area app Protest> Feb 16 22:05:20 ? Feb 16 22:05:32 Has anyone _actually_ received one? Feb 16 22:05:54 I received a Pre2 Feb 16 22:06:33 They were generous enough to hook me up at the end of december.... (after I bombarded them with emails by mistake) Feb 16 22:06:57 CTLAdvance: heh, so bombarding is the best idea it seems Feb 16 22:07:01 ;) Feb 16 22:07:18 no bad idea, now Adora wont respond to my communicates... Feb 16 22:07:21 "by mistake" Feb 16 22:09:47 * Tibfib just added a "error" page on koto for those "silly" people who try to download it on 1.4.5 Feb 16 22:10:06 does it consist of "loln00b" Feb 16 22:10:08 ? Feb 16 22:10:21 I'm considering adding "I wouldn't go post a 0 star review if I were you, it will only show your lack of intelligence and inability to read" Feb 16 22:10:34 inability to read/illiteracy Feb 16 22:11:03 now we don't want to offend anyone ok? Feb 16 22:11:06 lol Feb 16 22:11:11 I'm just kidding Feb 16 22:11:13 I would never post that Feb 16 22:11:18 coward. Feb 16 22:11:22 :P Feb 16 22:11:23 :D Feb 16 22:11:42 it would have worked better BEFORE someone did it.. now that they have, it is kind of a personal attack Feb 16 22:11:54 ah yes Feb 16 22:12:04 really Feb 16 22:12:09 YES Feb 16 22:12:12 someone downloaded it even after your disclaimer? Feb 16 22:12:14 I love myapppbox.com Feb 16 22:12:20 http://www.myappbox.com/search/?q=koto+player Feb 16 22:12:21 ouy Feb 16 22:12:22 check out the review Feb 16 22:12:30 the guy left an email in another review! Feb 16 22:12:54 * Tibfib emails Feb 16 22:13:02 (politely of course) Feb 16 22:13:22 lol not only that but zero stars doesnt impact overall rating Feb 16 22:13:22 fail Feb 16 22:13:30 myappbox? I thought it wasn't updated.. like it's got a way-old FMR Feb 16 22:13:31 CTLAdvance: yes it does Feb 16 22:13:35 nope Feb 16 22:13:38 YES IT DOES Feb 16 22:13:41 I have a 4 star overall rating Feb 16 22:13:52 I only have three 5 star ratings and one 0 star Feb 16 22:13:52 app box says you have 5 Feb 16 22:14:02 CATALOG says I have 4 Feb 16 22:14:05 which is what matters Feb 16 22:14:18 hmm interesting Feb 16 22:14:30 Zero star reviews were not supposed to count Feb 16 22:14:35 I thought so too Feb 16 22:14:50 and you should have 3.75 so something must be up Feb 16 22:14:56 or slightly less than 4 full stars Feb 16 22:15:10 catalog doesn't have that many images Feb 16 22:15:19 it goes by halves I think Feb 16 22:15:27 ah ok yeah your prob right Feb 16 22:15:32 Adora: do you have any ideas? Feb 16 22:15:52 chuq might be able to make this go away Feb 16 22:15:54 email hi, Feb 16 22:15:56 him Feb 16 22:15:59 he won't Feb 16 22:16:14 he told inglorious apps they don't fit the policy for deletion Feb 16 22:16:22 heya sine Feb 16 22:16:31 which is utter crap considering it is palm's fault this situation happened Feb 16 22:17:05 what does chuq need to make go away? lol Feb 16 22:17:24 becareful he was enyo moms last night Feb 16 22:17:26 http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/review.png Feb 16 22:17:40 @ PatrickC_Pixi Feb 16 22:18:20 Tibfib: Hey I didn't buy it but please return my money too.. ;^) Feb 16 22:18:29 lol Feb 16 22:19:37 oh crap how do you delete a post in P|C (double post, gah!) Feb 16 22:19:42 lol Feb 16 22:19:48 wow, some people can't read Feb 16 22:19:49 oh found it, ignore Feb 16 22:20:59 I herd that the 0 star reviews don't affect the rating Feb 16 22:21:04 they DO Feb 16 22:21:09 why do I have a 4 star rating then? Feb 16 22:21:14 what? Feb 16 22:21:17 I only have 5 star ratings, and one 0 star rating Feb 16 22:21:23 wow Feb 16 22:21:26 that stinks Feb 16 22:21:26 if it didn't count, I would have a 5 star rating Feb 16 22:21:34 did you email chuq yet? Feb 16 22:21:50 not yet Feb 16 22:22:07 what email do you have for him? Feb 16 22:22:16 can Adora remove it? Feb 16 22:22:45 why did they say 0-star ratings shouldn't count? Feb 16 22:23:01 I'm lovin the pre browser Feb 16 22:23:08 because way back when before your time, they made us a statement that they wouldnt count Feb 16 22:23:24 I don't like it lol Feb 16 22:23:47 I mean, I don't like the browser :) Feb 16 22:23:52 I want Chrome or FF Feb 16 22:23:59 Opera would even be nice Feb 16 22:24:26 it's better then android browser hands down Feb 16 22:24:32 PatricC_Pixi - Opera is what I use in android Feb 16 22:24:33 yeah I wish prefox would've gone farther than nowhere Feb 16 22:24:36 android browser is bad Feb 16 22:24:44 I find posts on PC from A year ago talking about zero stars affecting their overall rating (that's feb18'10, so about exactly 1 year!) so don't know why a change is expected now Feb 16 22:24:48 opera has mobile down, it really does Feb 16 22:24:53 * ajay_ drools.. Opera.. Feb 16 22:24:57 someone needs to pick up on production of PreFox Feb 16 22:25:00 let's all bug Opera together! Feb 16 22:25:07 PatrickC_Pixi: Did he give up? Feb 16 22:25:15 ajay a precentral forum is not your best source of info... noob Feb 16 22:25:19 no, bug FF or Google Feb 16 22:25:34 ;) Feb 16 22:25:34 CTLAdvance: your illogic stuns Feb 16 22:25:41 heh Feb 16 22:25:49 he hast worked on in it a while. as far as I know Feb 16 22:25:51 so is this too mean? http://webos.pastebin.com/SHL0vZXc Feb 16 22:26:02 without looking at it, I say yes Feb 16 22:26:27 :) Feb 16 22:26:42 bah :P Feb 16 22:26:53 oy oy oy Feb 16 22:26:54 heh, I'd also mention that if he does have a 2.0 device(small odds there) that you'd like to help him find a solution Feb 16 22:27:00 trying to make this pango rendering work on osx Feb 16 22:27:16 Loudergood: good point Feb 16 22:27:20 maybe put "" around the clearly states Feb 16 22:27:40 but i wonder if he doesn't understand that description, hence the review, so might need alternate language Feb 16 22:27:46 it looks fine Feb 16 22:28:22 i mean, the stuff that is quoted Feb 16 22:28:44 there should be an IQ test to but a SMARTphone Feb 16 22:28:46 lol Feb 16 22:29:02 http://webos.pastebin.com/VuPwWAjv Feb 16 22:29:15 just added a line "If you have a Pre 2, I would be happy to help you get the app working." Feb 16 22:29:48 or a Prerelease Veer, Pre3, or Touchpad Feb 16 22:29:58 nah lol Feb 16 22:30:03 not adding that Feb 16 22:30:09 he'll just wonder what those are Feb 16 22:30:09 just supply me with where you got one, and I will be more then happy to help :) Feb 16 22:30:13 lok Feb 16 22:30:17 *lol* Feb 16 22:30:24 * Tibfib presses send Feb 16 22:30:29 lol Feb 16 22:30:43 * PatrickC_Pixi goes to look Feb 16 22:30:46 not there yet Feb 16 22:30:58 * geeksquadkid intercepts package Feb 16 22:31:11 TOUCHDOWN Feb 16 22:31:22 halfhalo: LOL Feb 16 22:32:52 lol Feb 16 22:33:12 wow Feb 16 22:33:40 Tibfib: how much is koto going to cost? Feb 16 22:33:50 it costs $2.99 Feb 16 22:33:52 it's out now Feb 16 22:34:16 I always feel like I'm using package managers wrong Feb 16 22:34:45 * PatrickC_Pixi goes and compiles Koto Player so he can say it doesn't work on 1.4.5 Feb 16 22:35:06 Tibfib, Koto player doesn't work Feb 16 22:35:14 can I have my money back? Feb 16 22:35:15 :) Feb 16 22:35:15 yes unless you don't got 2.0 Feb 16 22:35:26 PatrickC_Pixi: read the app description Feb 16 22:35:31 I got 2.0 Feb 16 22:35:31 koto player doesn't work on my centro Feb 16 22:35:31 LOL Feb 16 22:35:34 what the hell I want my money back Feb 16 22:36:14 it's not working on my iPhone6 Feb 16 22:36:18 I wonder if HP is making straight up webOS PCs to compete on the vertically integrated desktop front with apple Feb 16 22:36:24 shit would be hot Feb 16 22:36:28 wait, I wasn't supposte to say that Feb 16 22:36:31 torchie: paypal address? I will be offering a .33% refund Feb 16 22:36:35 oops, disreguard that :) Feb 16 22:36:43 not 33%, but .33%? Feb 16 22:36:48 correct Feb 16 22:36:56 of 3bux? Feb 16 22:37:00 correct Feb 16 22:37:01 that refund is some NOISE Feb 16 22:37:04 i want my money back! Feb 16 22:37:04 I want money Tibfib Feb 16 22:37:12 mmh vodka Feb 16 22:37:15 I'd like a refund on that refund Feb 16 22:37:16 please????? :) Feb 16 22:37:33 I love iOS6 Feb 16 22:37:58 wait, man Apple is going to kill me for releasing all this info :) Feb 16 22:38:02 iOS: iwth its power gestures Feb 16 22:38:07 pow pow power gestures Feb 16 22:38:28 PatrickC_Pixi: you must be wrong... the spelling changes to iOSVI Feb 16 22:38:44 i meant to write patrick: instead of iOS, but same diff :) Feb 16 22:38:44 oh yea Feb 16 22:38:57 tibfib: some guy actually was retarded enough to download the app anyways. wow. Feb 16 22:39:01 now we know that you have it too Feb 16 22:39:08 PatrickC_Pixi: I dunno, sometimes it feels like apple treats its devs better than everyone else.. Feb 16 22:39:09 now Apple will kill us botg Feb 16 22:39:16 geeksquadkid: sigh Feb 16 22:39:25 IaNaiD, of course Feb 16 22:39:27 they give beta to ALL developers Feb 16 22:39:47 yeah i should restrict that more Feb 16 22:39:50 Tibfib: did you refund him? lol Feb 16 22:39:53 PatrickC_Pixi: a beta which isn't so secretive either Feb 16 22:40:01 geeksquadkid: of course not Feb 16 22:40:01 true Feb 16 22:40:11 geeksquadkid: the description says no one will get a refund Feb 16 22:40:13 i do wonder why there's no refund mechanism in the appcat.. major appcat tweaks needed to.. Feb 16 22:40:22 yea dua joetweeply Feb 16 22:40:24 Tibfib: and there is no way to remove his review? Feb 16 22:40:37 only Chuq can do that Feb 16 22:40:39 chuq can, but he won;t Feb 16 22:40:41 Chuq has the Force Feb 16 22:40:58 LOL Feb 16 22:41:09 "chuq has the force" ltm ltm Feb 16 22:41:10 there are reports that he removed 0-star reviews, but the overall rating didn't change, so.. Feb 16 22:41:20 stop bothering chuck ... you can have him back as soon as i get my early access Feb 16 22:41:34 Tibfib: I suggest you write a review, in case people missed the desc, maybe they'd see your review Feb 16 22:41:34 Chuck? Feb 16 22:41:45 i've been pronouncing it wrong all this time Feb 16 22:41:47 I'll stop bothering "Chuck" I'll keep bothering "Chuq" Feb 16 22:42:03 heh.. i meant chuq Feb 16 22:42:11 lol Feb 16 22:42:12 stupid norris polluting my head Feb 16 22:42:13 ajay_: how have you been pronouncing it? Feb 16 22:42:25 I read it as "chook" Feb 16 22:42:28 one time chuq came face to face with a bear, he spit in chuqs face, and it hit his camera.... lets just say he broke the bear down into byte code... Feb 16 22:42:34 chuq == chuck Feb 16 22:42:37 Tibfib: like dohtem Feb 16 22:42:40 thus we gave him the name the Chunqer Feb 16 22:43:00 who is chuq o.o Feb 16 22:43:08 I'm with Tibfib "chuq==chuck" Feb 16 22:43:12 geeksquadkid: our father, who art in heaven Feb 16 22:43:14 chuq was enyo mom last night? Feb 16 22:43:24 ltm ltm Feb 16 22:43:40 Tibfib: How about adding, "for Pre 2 only" in the desc? Feb 16 22:43:44 CTLAdvance: you know, that was hilarious a few days ago Feb 16 22:43:49 dohtem: already there Feb 16 22:43:53 my bad Feb 16 22:43:59 tibfib - I need to beat it to death Feb 16 22:44:00 dohtem: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/review.png Feb 16 22:44:01 then ill stop Feb 16 22:44:08 CTLAdvance: consider it beaten Feb 16 22:44:17 dohtem' it says like 36 times only for pre 2 / webos 2.0 Feb 16 22:44:21 maybe 2.0 only in the name then Feb 16 22:44:26 oh its still alive mah brotha, it may not be funny but its still alive Feb 16 22:44:28 :/ Feb 16 22:44:34 sadly Feb 16 22:45:00 that just flows off the tongue "Koto player that only works on the pre 2 or webos 2.0" Feb 16 22:45:16 sounds great! Feb 16 22:45:19 "is not working in my device!" Feb 16 22:45:25 how bout "KotoPlayer2.0" Feb 16 22:45:39 hay, Koto Player broke my Pixi!!! Feb 16 22:45:43 I want my money back! Feb 16 22:45:43 LOL Feb 16 22:45:49 someone needs to leave a review pointing at the 0 star review Feb 16 22:45:57 Tibfib: I say screw it, you can only do so much. Feb 16 22:46:05 what are you an iliterate moron? Didnt you read the app text Feb 16 22:46:06 loser Feb 16 22:46:07 CTLAdvance: please do! Feb 16 22:46:18 I would. if it didn't cost me 3 dollars for an app I can't use. lol. Feb 16 22:46:21 lol Feb 16 22:46:23 haha Feb 16 22:46:28 remind me later Feb 16 22:46:30 dohtem: yeah.. now I'm just trying to figure out why it is affecting my overall rating Feb 16 22:46:31 gotta run for now Feb 16 22:46:43 CTLAdvance: I'd give you a promo code to do it Feb 16 22:46:52 bbl Feb 16 22:46:55 Promo codes have launched? Feb 16 22:46:58 no Feb 16 22:47:00 we are almost off the bus Feb 16 22:47:03 TibFib: are their edits to your top bar or is that just 2.0 with the date etc. Feb 16 22:47:14 geeksquadkid: I have patches Feb 16 22:47:16 wait, promo codes? Feb 16 22:47:22 me wanty some :) Feb 16 22:47:29 I would gladly do it if I didn't have to pay :P Feb 16 22:47:43 geeksquadkid: wouldn't everyone! Feb 16 22:47:47 no wonder we can't have nice things Feb 16 22:47:53 err, dont. It would turn the review section into youtube style comments Feb 16 22:47:56 Tibfib: I'll give you an app cat review after I get this review done if you want~ Feb 16 22:47:58 lol Feb 16 22:47:58 ajay_: this is true. Feb 16 22:48:12 SineOt: please do! I need all the reviews I can get Feb 16 22:48:14 ok bbl Feb 16 22:48:43 ok think this is about all the chat for one day.. ;^) Feb 16 22:49:05 * ajay_ is going to write to opera and alien dalvik about webOS versions.. you? Feb 16 22:49:33 I'm going to stab blindly at Google Voice to see just what can be done with the "api" Feb 16 22:49:45 SineOt: hot! Feb 16 22:49:49 It isn't really an api at all, IS IT STEEVE? Feb 16 22:49:58 * SineOt dons a hair helmet Feb 16 22:50:16 http://github.com/justquick/python-googlevoice ? Feb 16 22:51:00 also ruby http://github.com/kgautreaux/gvoice-ruby (Gem-available) Feb 16 22:52:18 SineOt: better yet? http://code.google.com/p/google-voice-java/ Feb 16 22:52:58 Tibfib: I hereby promise to write a full review when / if I can ever use it haha Feb 16 22:53:00 ahem, destinal ^ Feb 16 22:53:10 geeksquadkid: thanks! Feb 16 22:54:44 HTTP Client is an awesome app for playing with APIs, holy smokes <3 Feb 16 22:57:31 Oh. fron chuq: "zero star reviews with no text in the comments should now not be counted in the reviews or average. I'm still looking at things to see if it's calculating properly, but it should improve things in the catalog for a number of you." Feb 16 22:57:44 yay! Feb 16 22:58:21 Yay, tiny steps forward :3 Feb 16 22:58:28 I'd love to be able to respond to comments left though Feb 16 22:58:30 no, this is bad news :P Feb 16 22:58:49 chuq posted that in the forums a while ago.. re reading the "bad reviews" topic Feb 16 22:59:21 Oh. You mean it's still doing that, or? :B Feb 16 23:01:23 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=5815 pretty sure that review fits this category: "Complaints that aren't about the application" Feb 16 23:01:36 "We don't want the application to suffer when people complain about Palm, so we'll remove reviews that aren't about the app." Feb 16 23:02:14 I should create a app called Justin Bieber and watch the $ roll in. :) Feb 16 23:03:14 BieberFEVAH Feb 16 23:03:25 just installed IRC apps on my Pre+. Pretty cool! Feb 16 23:04:36 * OrithmaFelus isn't proud to be canadian at the moment. Feb 16 23:05:22 sugardave: back when I first came to the community, I remember someone posting a website that allowed you to browse a shit ton of APIs that websites published... You have any ideas what that site maybe, or what i'm on about? Feb 16 23:05:44 yeah, it's called the API directory I think Feb 16 23:05:55 http://www.programmableweb.com/apis/directory Feb 16 23:06:10 that one! Feb 16 23:06:15 * Tibfib was trying to find it Feb 16 23:06:24 awesome site Feb 16 23:06:32 Nice :D Feb 16 23:06:35 thanks! Feb 16 23:06:39 sweet! Feb 16 23:06:43 np Feb 16 23:07:00 Now if only Google Bookmarks made their API public. :( Feb 16 23:07:38 Apricot, a node.js module, should make scraping SUPER easy Feb 16 23:07:43 for stuff that doesn't have an API Feb 16 23:08:07 dkirker: I just Googled: Google Bookmarks API and the top link looked promising. Feb 16 23:08:29 scoinva: Yeah, I am looking at a couple of docs, even an Android project. Just nothing is official. Feb 16 23:08:39 heh, I'm a big fan of firefox sync myself Feb 16 23:08:51 pfft, firefox... :p Feb 16 23:08:53 it makes things a bit tough for me.. Feb 16 23:08:54 dkirker: that for webOS would be awesome Feb 16 23:08:56 dkirker: ah. gotcha. Feb 16 23:09:04 Tibfib: :D Feb 16 23:09:13 I might actually use my pre browser then Feb 16 23:09:19 well it's the username and password + encryption key system I like Feb 16 23:09:19 tibfib: I 2nd that. Feb 16 23:09:25 that and native read it later/instapaper usage Feb 16 23:09:33 bah, forget the built in web browser. Just use Universe. :D Feb 16 23:09:49 use Relego with it. :) Feb 16 23:10:18 dkirker: I'd love to beta test it Feb 16 23:10:32 Burn it in fire! Feb 16 23:11:07 Sure! Drop me an email to beta@openmobl.com. I'll let you know when I am ready to start doing betas (should be real soon here, depending on how much this move to the South Bay disrupts me). Feb 16 23:12:03 dkirker: sent Feb 16 23:12:17 oh no: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1357743/Cancer-stricken-Apple-boss-Steve-Jobs-just-weeks-live.html Feb 16 23:13:04 whatever Feb 16 23:13:19 "... supermarket tabloid the National Enquirer which suggests things are worse ..." Feb 16 23:13:39 when the national enquirer scoops _any_ major news outlet, color me impressed Feb 16 23:14:55 bbl Feb 16 23:15:20 wait wait... seriously? The DailyMail... Feb 16 23:15:31 "But today shocking new pictures were published in the supermarket tabloid the National Enquirer which suggests things are worse than Apple would have the world believe." Feb 16 23:15:48 bah, just one of the sites with info Feb 16 23:16:30 regardless. It sucks that his health is getting worse Feb 16 23:16:35 yeah Feb 16 23:16:37 oh totally Feb 16 23:16:56 don't know what's true.. but something is going on.. and probably not something good Feb 16 23:16:58 * pandora-- waves Feb 16 23:17:11 now, bbl Feb 16 23:20:11 Amazingly AAPL did decent today. Wonder if there will be a big sell-off tomorrow with the rumor. Feb 16 23:23:09 dgathright: what rumor? Feb 16 23:23:25 pandora--: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1357743/Cancer-stricken-Apple-boss-Steve-Jobs-just-weeks-live.html Feb 16 23:26:39 shit Feb 16 23:26:39 wow shit wow Feb 16 23:26:39 if steve goes, the stock will definitely choke a bit Feb 16 23:27:41 damn Feb 16 23:27:46 I am not 100% convinced. The Daily Mail is an online version of the National Enquirer... Feb 16 23:27:54 heh Feb 16 23:28:31 The last article I saw in a version of the National Enquirer was about Titanic survivors that were still alive and froze "in time" in a block of ice... Feb 16 23:28:55 The people that found them were not available to comment, or something like that... Feb 16 23:29:25 hay Feb 16 23:29:44 Watson appears to know little of girls and sports Feb 16 23:29:53 I'm shocked Feb 16 23:29:58 what? Feb 16 23:30:00 lol Feb 16 23:30:18 Even if Steve does go, Ives is probably going to take over Feb 16 23:30:22 and he knows what he's doing Feb 16 23:30:33 what? Feb 16 23:30:37 I'm lost..... Feb 16 23:30:41 The stock will choke, by the Apple brand is established and not going anywhere Feb 16 23:30:47 we talking about Apple? Feb 16 23:30:52 ... and watson Feb 16 23:30:57 apple and watson Feb 16 23:31:01 apparently Feb 16 23:31:13 i missed watson's performance so far Feb 16 23:31:13 cmon Patrick, you need to be able to multitask your convo's in one channel Feb 16 23:31:25 I wasn't signed in lol Feb 16 23:31:29 it always comes back to apple and IBM doesnt it? Feb 16 23:31:37 Pft, try multitasking across 4 networks and 12 channels Feb 16 23:32:06 wow Feb 16 23:32:11 sine is da bom Feb 16 23:32:11 4 networks..impressive Feb 16 23:32:26 I do 5289 networks at once Feb 16 23:32:27 Sine, Feb 16 23:32:39 Yes OrithmaFelus? Feb 16 23:32:45 lol... nm Feb 16 23:32:49 * OrithmaFelus had nothing Feb 16 23:33:04 * SineOt ponders... Maybe that's why nothing ever really gets done. Feb 16 23:33:19 ooooo Feb 16 23:33:34 sine, hows the review coming? Feb 16 23:33:41 hay Adora Feb 16 23:33:50 hihihi Feb 16 23:34:02 (about to jump on a conf call) Feb 16 23:34:08 yay crappy wifi!... Feb 16 23:34:11 hi Adora! Feb 16 23:34:13 perfect time to join IRC... Feb 16 23:35:03 Let's make Adora's computer make lots of "ping" noises! :P Feb 16 23:35:19 still in using the app mode :p Feb 16 23:35:20 when did Adora join? lol Feb 16 23:36:08 so how about that htc thunderbolt? Feb 16 23:36:12 mmm Feb 16 23:36:20 Pretty cool given it's got SVDO enabled Feb 16 23:36:41 SVDO? Feb 16 23:36:56 Voice over 1X data Feb 16 23:37:06 lets you do simultaneous voice/data Feb 16 23:37:07 ahh Feb 16 23:37:22 AT&T Feb 16 23:37:46 do you use a pixi? Feb 16 23:38:03 I has a pixi Feb 16 23:38:09 PatrickC_Pixi: no, Verizon Feb 16 23:38:24 the HTC Thunderbolt is a Verizon LTE device Feb 16 23:38:32 deliciousmorsel: I use a Pixi, yeah Feb 16 23:38:34 I like LTE, Feb 16 23:40:41 gnaaaaa all the waiting is making me drunk Feb 16 23:42:51 well... yeah and the vodka too Feb 16 23:51:46 * CTLAdvance ... ... ... Feb 16 23:52:21 if there could just be an atrix without the motorola part Feb 16 23:52:28 battery, battery everywhere Feb 16 23:53:16 500$ laptop dooooock Feb 16 23:53:33 whoever priced the laptop dock needs to be uh, talked very sternly to Feb 16 23:54:02 eh well the laptop dock is a useless stupid gimmick anyway Feb 16 23:54:11 the phone's reasonably priced Feb 16 23:54:23 and has 1930mah Feb 16 23:54:26 * torchie drool Feb 16 23:55:12 if it ran stock gingerbread, it'd be perfect Feb 16 23:57:06 damn wiimax is so fast. why no webos wiimax love? Feb 17 00:00:01 LTE? Feb 17 00:00:52 heard no LTE mentioned either and Sprint has no LTE network Feb 17 00:01:45 Sprint might switch to LTE though Feb 17 00:02:05 their network back end supports it... Apparently just needs to add a card to the base stations and LTE can go live Feb 17 00:02:07 no one knows that for sure and that would take time Feb 17 00:02:25 that would be fly Feb 17 00:02:30 and it's not like wimax is going anywhere Feb 17 00:02:44 the Sprint VP of networks said that they're planning to make the final call in 6 months on if they're going to go LTE or not Feb 17 00:02:54 the pre 3 didn't mention anything about wiimax or lte Feb 17 00:03:02 and it's going to be based on the number of people taking up their WiMax 4G network Feb 17 00:03:17 I assume if it's low, they're going to switch to LTE which apparently, is really easy Feb 17 00:03:31 add a card and software update, tower now does LTE Feb 17 00:03:56 evo owners are gonna be mad Feb 17 00:03:57 i don't see the relevance to what i was saying Feb 17 00:04:24 how? Feb 17 00:04:30 marss: makes no commercial sense for HP to put WiMax or LTE in Pre3. Feb 17 00:04:32 cheers to patrick swayzee ... whose birthday happens to be today Feb 17 00:04:36 you really think they will turn off wiimax or something Feb 17 00:04:36 marss: that's because the pre 3 is only competing with the pre 2, which is two year old standards in tech :( Feb 17 00:05:00 there's one carrier with Wimax, and ATT is aiming for 2012 for their LTE roll out and Verizon still hasn't launched an LTE device Feb 17 00:05:02 rwhitby, really? Feb 17 00:05:19 yes, really. both are fledgling technologies with no significant penetration Feb 17 00:05:34 wiimax is the shit Feb 17 00:05:51 that may be, but it has no significant penetration Feb 17 00:05:54 yeah, but with no plans to ship a phone on Sprint, what's the point? Feb 17 00:05:58 LTE is even 'shittier' Feb 17 00:06:00 :-) Feb 17 00:06:09 i thought the pre 3 was coming to sprint Feb 17 00:06:37 right now i am downloading some tv shows on wiimax. internet is out until tomorrow Feb 17 00:06:44 you thought wrong, no carriers have been announced for any of Veer, Pre 3 or TouchPad Feb 17 00:06:53 surprising how fast it is Feb 17 00:07:12 meh, it's still not 4G Feb 17 00:07:19 marss: keep in mind, there's almost no one on wimax (relatively speaking) Feb 17 00:07:28 4G is just some made up term if you ask me Feb 17 00:07:30 rwhitby: 4G is totally pointless now though Feb 17 00:07:36 No carrier announcments? I officially announce that I'm going to be a carrier. I'll be carrying it in my pocket. Feb 17 00:07:43 Tmo USA is calling their 3G network 4G now because they've sped it up :p Feb 17 00:07:48 4G is defined as 1GB/s stationary and 100Mb/s mobile. Feb 17 00:07:59 not even Verizon's LTE is 4G then Feb 17 00:08:03 unfortunately, US carriers have bastardised the term Feb 17 00:08:07 since I think it's like 15-20mb/s mobile Feb 17 00:08:11 you expect cell phones to download at 1Gb ? Feb 17 00:08:15 llamo Feb 17 00:08:28 yes. Feb 17 00:08:47 when they are stationary. Feb 17 00:08:50 what's the average speed of home internet in the USA Feb 17 00:08:57 not even close to that Feb 17 00:09:00 correct. Feb 17 00:09:26 now you see why US carriers calling their 3.25G networks "4G" is ludicrous. Feb 17 00:09:48 rwhitby: "Marketecture" Feb 17 00:09:49 i get about 8mbps with wiimax. my home internet is 30mbps Feb 17 00:10:11 rwhitby: When Marketing discusses architecture. Feb 17 00:10:17 yep, neither are close to 4G Feb 17 00:10:19 rwhitby: "On December 6, 2010, ITU announced that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfill "IMT-Advanced" requirements could be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third ge Feb 17 00:10:19 neration systems now deployed." Feb 17 00:10:23 i don't see why a cell phone would need crazy speeds to view mobile webpages Feb 17 00:10:26 so if the ITU says it's 4G, it's 4G Feb 17 00:10:40 SineOt: yeah, they caved in to the carriers Feb 17 00:11:21 the original definition was as I stated. 1Gb/sec stationary and 100Mb/sec mobile. anything less is substandard. Feb 17 00:11:42 Sprint started it. They called their WiMax 4G before 4G had offically been defined and went on a marketing blitz for the Evo. Then the ITU defined 4G. WiMax didn't count. But sprint didnt back down. Feb 17 00:12:07 dohtem: um, 4G was defined many years ago by the ITU, well before Sprint. Feb 17 00:12:16 really? Feb 17 00:12:17 bbl Feb 17 00:12:24 isn't 4G just 4th generation. I honestly don't see what the big deal is Feb 17 00:12:36 wait, I thought sprint was the first to 4G Feb 17 00:12:37 yeah, 4G is supposed to be 4th generation Feb 17 00:12:42 wiimax is sprint 4th gen wireless network hence 4g Feb 17 00:12:49 screw that, I"m going to 6G Feb 17 00:12:55 and honestly, 1GB/sec stationary and 100mb/sec mobile is just stupid for a requirement Feb 17 00:13:15 that's a 10x increase over what the latest HSPA+ can do Feb 17 00:13:31 dohtem: ITU defined 4G requirements in 2002 Feb 17 00:14:05 http://www.validas.com saw that on the news last night. finds the best rate plan Feb 17 00:14:08 SineOt: what's why it deserves the nomenclature of the next generation, rather than just a mid-generation evolution Feb 17 00:14:32 1GB/sec? Feb 17 00:14:32 who has that/claims that? Feb 17 00:14:42 it's a requirement, not a claim. Feb 17 00:15:22 rwhitby: defining it in 2002 would only make the requirements that much more ludicrous, then. If that's what the ITU defined, then they set the bar unrealistically high Feb 17 00:15:25 dumb requirement if you ask me Feb 17 00:16:00 SineOt: back in 1990, 4Mb/s mobile would been equally ridiculous Feb 17 00:16:31 you guys just don't have a long enough temporal view of the technology Feb 17 00:18:10 I'm just wondering where my 1gb/s -landline- internet is Feb 17 00:19:01 Australia will have that within 2 years. Google "NBN Australia 1GB/s" Feb 17 00:19:05 In South Korea Feb 17 00:19:20 yeah, south korea has had FTTH for some time Feb 17 00:19:26 right Feb 17 00:19:36 and some Nordic countries Feb 17 00:19:41 with tiny infrastructures Feb 17 00:19:41 yep Feb 17 00:19:44 there aren't compelling economic factors to do it in the US. Feb 17 00:20:23 many say the same thing for Australia Feb 17 00:21:01 yeah, but smaller population, no? and generally not as spread out? I think? you would know better than me Feb 17 00:21:08 (Australia has 6.4 people per square mile) Feb 17 00:21:51 but yes, 90% of the population in 10% of the area. Feb 17 00:22:47 US has 32 people per square mile. Monaco has 43,000 people per square mile :) Feb 17 00:23:47 man, bangladesh Feb 17 00:23:48 yeesh Feb 17 00:24:44 heh, the last 5% is always the killer Feb 17 00:27:07 SF has 213 homeless people per square mile Feb 17 00:27:25 * pandora-- making up data. but seriously. Feb 17 00:27:35 13 hobos pooping/sqm Feb 17 00:27:52 funkatron: that's New York Feb 17 00:27:53 i hate homeless people in germany Feb 17 00:27:54 wow they call them hobos still Feb 17 00:27:58 no sir Feb 17 00:28:04 SF is soooo much more dirty Feb 17 00:28:10 i keep shooing them away, stupid dickheads Feb 17 00:28:12 SF is teh nasties Feb 17 00:28:22 didn't guiliani shove them out of NY? Feb 17 00:28:29 market st. makes your shoes smell like pee just walking around Feb 17 00:28:39 yes, guiliani cleaned up NYC Feb 17 00:28:49 by making the cops beat up homeless people Feb 17 00:28:51 etc. Feb 17 00:28:58 (soylent green is homeless people?) Feb 17 00:29:01 Loudergood: No one knows where Giuliani hide them Feb 17 00:29:05 hid* Feb 17 00:29:05 in germany no person is forced to sleep on the street Feb 17 00:29:09 how the hell do I boot this damn Pre2 into USB mode so I can get my shit off and wipe it? Feb 17 00:29:16 everyone has the right to get shelter Feb 17 00:29:32 yeah, that's what we have skid row for here in los angeles Feb 17 00:29:35 joetweeply: In America, we call that socialism. And it is wrong! Feb 17 00:29:37 :) Feb 17 00:29:38 so people still living on the street are total dickheads Feb 17 00:29:39 thousands of tents Feb 17 00:29:44 such empathy for our less-fortunate brethren shown in this channel :) Feb 17 00:30:14 funkatron: won't boot normally? Feb 17 00:30:15 rwhitby: well they're not buying my apps in the catalog, so ya, they're dicks Feb 17 00:30:17 :D Feb 17 00:30:26 true dat pandora-- Feb 17 00:30:29 lol Feb 17 00:30:32 free pres for the homeless!! Feb 17 00:30:36 hahahhah Feb 17 00:30:40 rwhitby: it will but the screen won't respond to any input Feb 17 00:30:46 you can't shoot up a pre Feb 17 00:30:46 I'm sending it in for service Feb 17 00:30:47 come on.. developers first though Loudergood Feb 17 00:31:00 have any of you guys been through skid row in LA? Feb 17 00:31:05 joetweeply: sleep on the streets a few nights you'll be all set! Feb 17 00:31:15 * pandora-- has lived in LA most of his life Feb 17 00:31:17 funkatron: alt-sym-U Feb 17 00:31:18 i don't have to in germany Feb 17 00:31:26 skid row is freaky/scary Feb 17 00:32:02 rwhitby: so now it's in "signed out" mode because I signed in on my Pre Plus, and ALT-SYM-U doesn't seem to be doing it. Feb 17 00:32:17 pandora--: highfive Feb 17 00:32:27 funkatron: #*DEVMODE# Feb 17 00:32:37 halfhalo: hrm Feb 17 00:33:03 funkatron: after reboot, usb mode should work Feb 17 00:33:23 oh right Feb 17 00:39:59 ping Tibfib Feb 17 00:48:30 man do you see the picture of the sprint guy on precentral? Feb 17 00:48:40 left facial side looks sad Feb 17 00:48:47 right bottom side tries to fake laugh Feb 17 00:48:54 eyes both look sad and exhausted Feb 17 00:49:04 wat Feb 17 00:49:12 forehead shows worry Feb 17 00:52:14 that is a really sad picture in whole Feb 17 00:53:12 hmm? sorry just got on Feb 17 00:53:29 the pic of the sprint guy on precentral Feb 17 00:53:37 eyes show sadness Feb 17 00:53:44 eyes plus forehead show exhaustion Feb 17 00:53:55 just right mouth side shows a tried fake smile Feb 17 00:53:58 * geeksquadkid opens precentral Feb 17 00:55:34 well I can't get USB mode to kick in for some reason Feb 17 00:55:54 orange symbol U? Feb 17 00:55:57 no good Feb 17 00:56:01 nothing happens Feb 17 00:56:15 hmm. what you tryin to do? Feb 17 00:56:20 funkatron: this is just a lame shot.. but i get this problem when i have a vmware open, so that my comp gets confused with delivering the access to the proper machine Feb 17 00:56:24 I can't use the screen Feb 17 00:56:30 funkatron: since you're in dev mode now, you can stream a tarball of /media/internal off the device over novacom Feb 17 00:56:48 rwhitby: right, how do I do the transfer tho? Feb 17 00:56:59 I'd use scp but doesn't seem to be there Feb 17 00:57:02 over usb. stream the data over novacom Feb 17 00:57:14 "stream" Feb 17 00:57:17 funkatron: you got meta-doctor anywhere? Feb 17 00:57:29 I believe I can get it Feb 17 00:57:58 look at the commands in the "backup" target in the Makefile, and salt to taste for streaming /media/internal off Feb 17 00:58:04 oh right Feb 17 00:58:06 got it Feb 17 01:02:33 so could I just run "make backup"? Feb 17 01:04:37 make DEVICE=pre2 memboot-wr backup Feb 17 01:05:12 someone should make that into an easy-to-use cross-platform utility ... Feb 17 01:05:32 got it Feb 17 01:06:08 I guess I should get this doctor Feb 17 01:08:25 okay it's doing some magic now Feb 17 01:12:19 the media tarball may take a long time, depending on how much data you have on the device Feb 17 01:12:40 it's not too bad. all I really didn't want to lose were a few snapshots, but good to have a full backup Feb 17 01:18:27 funkatron: quick pm? Feb 17 01:19:38 sure Feb 17 02:35:09 hello from back in the USA Feb 17 02:35:59 hey mattsmcnulty :] Feb 17 02:38:28 ughhhh. Does anyone deal with JSON that gets sent as application/x-javascript and not application/json? Totally can't get it working >:/ Feb 17 02:39:24 how was barcelona mattsmcnulty Feb 17 02:42:17 barcelona is a great town Feb 17 02:42:22 that show is a mob scene though Feb 17 02:43:28 did you happen to stay healthy and avoid any sickness from being exposed to a large group of people in confined spaces? Feb 17 02:44:03 I have not gotten sick yet, but I just got off a plane 2 hours ago Feb 17 02:44:27 if you make it to friday without getting sick, you're probably good Feb 17 02:44:37 meet some good people out at MWC? Feb 17 02:44:52 sure, some great euro devs Feb 17 02:45:02 people seem psyched about enyo Feb 17 02:45:15 that's got to make you feel pretty good Feb 17 02:45:20 for good reason! Feb 17 02:45:38 if it were up to you, how would you license enyo, mattsmcnulty? Feb 17 02:45:52 hahaha going nowhere near that Feb 17 02:46:04 damn Feb 17 02:46:07 how come you guys never ask me about stuff that is already out! Feb 17 02:46:14 haha Feb 17 02:46:25 is that hatch at the top of the Veer for the SIM? Feb 17 02:46:31 yes Feb 17 02:46:33 whats your worst dream about Mojo that haunted you when you were first hired? Feb 17 02:46:42 globals all over the place? Feb 17 02:46:55 oh, I didnt start out in charge of the framework team Feb 17 02:47:10 right, but you were hired .. and had to deal with mojo, right ? Feb 17 02:47:11 we just thought mojo was kind of inferior to what else was out there, so eventually we decided to make something superior Feb 17 02:48:22 mattsmcnulty: do you guys have a pretty rigid and structured requirements system (something like Doors?) to work against when developing new things? Feb 17 02:48:23 poor Mojo...such a bad rap Feb 17 02:48:49 structured requirements are for textbooks Feb 17 02:48:58 if anything in Mojo deserves a bad rap it's probably lists, because ghgha;ouhgsa;ghal;kjsd Feb 17 02:49:06 lists are hard Feb 17 02:49:15 as youc an see from the prob 4 different ones we have in enyo Feb 17 02:49:40 mattsmcnulty: pssst: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=11394 Feb 17 02:49:45 yeah, I've been trying to get a list working in Mojo and I've just completely gotten stuck on them Feb 17 02:49:46 mattsmcnulty: so how do you do acceptance testing or "know when you're done" ? Feb 17 02:49:51 so I just gave up Feb 17 02:50:01 when I say so Feb 17 02:50:21 SineOt: lists are just arrays Feb 17 02:50:37 sugardave: that part I get, the actual "making it work" part just... Yeah Feb 17 02:50:57 Couldn't get it to instantiate properly so it just sat there staring at me with a blank space Feb 17 02:50:59 wow that's terrible .. :( is it the same way with the rf/modem guys too, or do they have to hit real requirements like "sensitivity at -100dBm" ? Feb 17 02:51:20 I don't have to have a list inside a scroller, do I? :B Feb 17 02:51:24 or anything else stupid Feb 17 02:51:34 SineOt: there are probably people who can help you get Lists working...some might even be in this channel Feb 17 02:52:09 I always put my Lists in a Scroller, yes Feb 17 02:52:13 sugardave - just asked someone to respond to you Feb 17 02:52:20 mattsmcnulty: thank you! Feb 17 02:52:24 sugardave: oh no doubt about it, and I'm sure I'll get it working at some point. I've just been dealing with other stuff for now Feb 17 02:52:31 like this annoying JSON issue with mime-types Feb 17 02:52:51 oh sweet jesus. the enyo forums are on fire. I swear I last looked like last night and there is a ton of new stuff Feb 17 02:53:00 SineOt: do you have evalJSON: 'force' set in your ajax request? Feb 17 02:53:59 I had read over force like, 8 times and never thought to try that Feb 17 02:54:26 SineOt: if that doesn't work, you can take the whole responseText string and .evalJSON() it, maybe Feb 17 02:54:35 Force worked fine Feb 17 02:54:56 it's populating response.responseJSON correctly now Feb 17 02:56:16 woo Feb 17 02:56:18 where before it was just setting it to null because it was using a different mimetype Feb 17 02:56:31 thank you sugardave~ Feb 17 02:56:38 np **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 17 02:59:57 2011