**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 19 02:59:57 2011 Feb 19 03:16:42 Okay, does anyone here know how to put two button widgets in a single row? More specifically, something like.. Feb 19 03:16:55 (Button) Player's Life (Button) Feb 19 03:17:00 All in one row. Feb 19 03:18:06 ugh Feb 19 03:18:26 is there any way to enable data through command line Feb 19 03:21:46 SineOt: Pixie will never get 2.0 Feb 19 03:21:50 never ever Feb 19 03:21:51 how do I get the soft keyboard on the pre 2 Feb 19 03:22:14 physical keyboard is a bit s for my huge hands Feb 19 03:22:22 small Feb 19 03:23:26 yup Feb 19 03:24:04 cdm, never ever ever?! Feb 19 03:25:05 probably Feb 19 03:25:17 it's the only bit of hardware with an Armv6 core. Feb 19 03:25:43 nah Feb 19 03:25:45 it's a memmory thing Feb 19 03:25:54 surprisingly enough, though, it's the only one that has the architecture more like the veer and pre3, i believe .. qualcomm baseband and gpp Feb 19 03:25:54 256M shared between webOS and the modem Feb 19 03:26:26 oohhh, memory is always the killer .. surprising, though .. getting rid of java didn't free up a crapton of memory ? Feb 19 03:27:11 cdm: it's same on the Pre- though Feb 19 03:27:24 no, pre- modem is separate from the gpp Feb 19 03:27:40 I think it's far more likely that they don't want to deal with the Armv7 vs Armv6 differences Feb 19 03:28:15 since it's the only device with Armv6 Feb 19 03:28:28 the architecture differences are pretty nil i'd think .. arm is always backward compatible and it's all just C code .. can't be much new ASM there Feb 19 03:29:17 bpadalino: I dunno, with how long it's taken for a lot of features to migrated from the Pre to the Pixi in the past, I don't think it's that simple Feb 19 03:29:34 what cdm says makes some sense .. if the modem needs lets say, 64MB of memory, that leaves only 192 for everything for webos Feb 19 03:29:37 which is a bit paltry Feb 19 03:29:55 SineOt: TI might have just had better support than Qualcomm in that case .. Feb 19 03:30:23 i don't think it's about architecture (other than chip manufacturer) Feb 19 03:30:28 the Veer and Pre3 and Touchpad are all Qualcomm now though Feb 19 03:30:34 same as the Pixi Feb 19 03:30:35 right, they are Feb 19 03:30:43 right - same architecture now Feb 19 03:30:48 but the Veer is an Armv7 core, not an Armv6 Feb 19 03:30:51 ok Feb 19 03:31:17 that just makes sense, tho .. Feb 19 03:31:31 I'd imagine it's easier to go Armv6 -> Armv7 than to go the other way around Feb 19 03:31:37 since you go from gaining features to losing features Feb 19 03:32:17 eh, i don't think it's that big of a deal Feb 19 03:32:46 being the user who had to wait for PDK stuff to arrive on the Pixi in 1.4.5 when the Pre had got it in 1.3.0, I think it is :p Feb 19 03:33:13 i'd argue it was getting qualcomm to support linux for their openGL libraries Feb 19 03:33:31 TI had the support with their OMAP3 .. and i don't think qualcomm did Feb 19 03:33:50 well, now you've got Qualcomm chips running all the new hardware Feb 19 03:34:08 right, but they're new chips .. and they're trying to be in all the android handsets .. Feb 19 03:34:14 which means linux support Feb 19 03:34:24 but, back then, i don't think they had that plan Feb 19 03:34:35 the MSM7277 or whatever is in the Pixi was used fairly heavily in midrange Android sets though Feb 19 03:35:31 maybe it was because they're in midrange android sets that got opengl support then Feb 19 03:36:12 i don't deal with qualcomm, so i'm not sure .. i know they're very NDA happy Feb 19 03:36:20 and they like pushing their own software solutions .. Feb 19 03:37:10 there is a presentation out there done by someone at palm that shows some benchmarks of the qualcomm GPU in the pixi, and it shows it being faster at most things than the pre's GPU .. Feb 19 03:37:16 it was an interesting presentation Feb 19 03:37:18 Eh. I think it's more an issue with the team sizes being too small to really give the effort needed to make sure it runs on two really disparate arm revisions, and with the new hardware all running v7 it's stupid easy to make everything run well Feb 19 03:37:38 because if there's one thing I've seen with the Pixi it's that Palm got way better at managing the memory limits with each new version Feb 19 03:38:12 1.2.9 was pretty awful, TMC all over the place, stutters Feb 19 03:46:53 * KGF2009 feels very stupid right now. Feb 19 03:47:26 The issue I managed to struggle with for the past hour..Was solved with nothing more than a table. Feb 19 04:04:05 "/var/luna/files" !!!! YAY!! Can read/write from/to it. :D Feb 19 04:12:46 what category is the virtual kb under Feb 19 04:12:50 I can't find it Feb 19 04:13:05 no just type search for preware? Feb 19 04:47:58 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/18/hp-ceo-says-company-is-taking-too-long-to-get-to-market-with-i/ Feb 19 04:54:20 yeah it's front page precentral Feb 19 05:06:46 dkirker: no, I never was able to use that webview method...I ended up doing something completely different because all I needed was an actual image. I just had to download it twice Feb 19 05:08:03 question those extended batteries that make the pre look bulky ... are they worth getting / also do they fit a palm pre plus Feb 19 05:08:46 depends on how badly the stock battery performs, in your opinion Feb 19 05:09:32 SineOt: I have to charge at least 3 times a day Feb 19 05:09:49 I've had phone a week and some change Feb 19 05:09:51 what in the world are you doing? D: Feb 19 05:10:15 I just switched govnah to palm default profile Feb 19 05:10:34 what did you have it before? Feb 19 05:12:00 I've tried fixspeed 600mhz .. Feb 19 05:12:15 screenstate 500/800 Feb 19 05:12:18 etc.. Feb 19 05:12:26 fixspeed would murder a battery, since it would never clock down Feb 19 05:13:32 kernel people: since 2.0 looks like it will never reach the Pre-/Pre+, how hard would it be to backport OnDemandTCL? Feb 19 05:14:51 SineOt: what's a good setting I should try ? Feb 19 05:28:42 sugardave: Ok, thanks. I actually got it figured out. :) Feb 19 05:41:27 dkirker: you got it to work? how? :) Feb 19 05:41:36 webos101 :) Feb 19 05:42:18 WEll, it seemed like the very first page load wouldn't work... But subsequent ones did. And I saved the files to /var/luna/files/ so that I could reference them from css. Feb 19 05:42:36 interesting Feb 19 05:42:41 Mostly I put the save mechanism in the onFirstPaint and onSuccessfulLoad event handlers. Feb 19 05:43:38 how do I save an array of strings into a SQLite column? Feb 19 05:43:54 JSON.stringify ? Feb 19 05:44:08 then evalJSON when I pull 'em back out? Feb 19 05:44:15 .toJSON Feb 19 05:44:20 and then evalJSON, yeah Feb 19 05:44:29 in ur json, evalin ur strings Feb 19 05:45:03 golly, some sort of native JSON database thingy would be pretty nice. Feb 19 05:45:22 UNICORNS! Feb 19 05:46:27 myArray.toJSON and aString.evalJSON, eh? Feb 19 05:46:34 yeah, as long as you don't limit the JSON database to some arbitrary size and then only let there be one for all applications Feb 19 05:46:42 haeffb_: I think that will do it Feb 19 05:47:22 and this is all Prototype-ey stuff Feb 19 05:47:24 sigh Feb 19 05:47:36 yeah Feb 19 05:47:44 maybe JSON.strigify is native Feb 19 05:47:47 ? Feb 19 05:47:54 and then you'd have to use eval straight up Feb 19 05:48:01 if you want to be not-Prototype Feb 19 05:49:18 toString and split are native Feb 19 05:49:26 lol Feb 19 05:49:28 finally got off my lazy duff and went to my pc, pre 2 screen is really tiny... not too comfortable to search forums on it Feb 19 05:50:14 * haeffb_ needs to either commit to coding or quit. This trying to pick stuff up once a month isn't cutting it. Feb 19 05:50:37 * oil votes commit Feb 19 05:50:45 me, too Feb 19 05:51:05 if only this day job didn't get in the way Feb 19 05:51:29 day job, schmay job Feb 19 05:51:38 * Zinge and 'git' both vote commit :-) Feb 19 05:51:47 haha Feb 19 05:52:26 psshh, who needs day jobs? (disclaimer: working night shift) Feb 19 05:52:30 * oil really needs to go get food before he wastes away to nothing Feb 19 05:52:36 hey, if you're bored here's some of my fav photos: http://haeffb.com/portfolio/ Feb 19 05:52:37 brb Feb 19 05:53:05 is that mrs haeff? Feb 19 05:53:12 haeffner? Feb 19 05:53:16 which? Feb 19 05:53:28 well, not hte bird Feb 19 05:53:52 http://haeffb.com/wp-content/gallery/panamacitybeach/img_1639.jpg Feb 19 05:54:09 yeah, that's the love o' my life. Feb 19 05:54:18 haeffs Feb 19 05:54:27 * oil knew it was something like thats Feb 19 05:54:47 and I'll give you $5 if you say I said that when you meet her... :) Feb 19 05:55:11 well, pay me a little after, or it will look staged Feb 19 05:55:19 xD Feb 19 05:55:38 hey, is that your barn? Feb 19 05:55:43 lol Feb 19 05:55:47 and your birds? Feb 19 05:56:43 no, but page 2 shows before & after views of my bridge Feb 19 05:57:57 and somewhere in there is pics of the old one blowing up Feb 19 05:57:59 * oil brb for reals this time, no haeffb_ picture distractions this time! Feb 19 06:01:10 ok...night all. Feb 19 06:01:55 g'night Feb 19 06:05:50 night haeffb_ Feb 19 06:10:11 wow.... that was suprising Feb 19 06:10:33 ? Feb 19 06:10:59 Windows 7 clean install found my wireless printer via the add device thing, added it to the computer, and automatically launched hp's site to get the drivers Feb 19 06:12:02 X is actually prett decent at that kind of thing I've found. The only thing I have problems with are bluetooth drivers. Feb 19 06:12:07 7* Feb 19 07:40:26 'evening chuqui! Feb 19 13:57:59 hi Feb 19 14:33:51 for some reason my pre wont activate after i did ##RTN# and cleared out the previous users info Feb 19 14:34:22 it keeps saying Activation Error and displays the HEX number Feb 19 14:48:59 hahaha! :D Finally got it working after doctoring! Feb 19 15:38:49 pre is way better than the pre :D Feb 19 15:44:11 pixi* Feb 19 15:45:29 and now I'm not sure which word you meant to replace ;) Feb 19 15:45:40 lol the last one :3 Feb 19 15:46:18 i just got it activated and i already notice the snappiness over the pixi Feb 19 15:46:31 things just.. work Feb 19 15:46:43 no lag or nothing lol Feb 19 15:46:47 is it even a plus? Feb 19 15:46:52 no Feb 19 15:47:01 wow Feb 19 15:47:15 yeah Feb 19 15:47:36 lost the backing though -_- Feb 19 15:47:52 oh come on Feb 19 15:48:22 lol Feb 19 15:48:27 just tried submitting a koto update and it got rejected for non-public api usage Feb 19 15:48:34 (using 2.0 apis) Feb 19 15:48:47 crap Feb 19 15:49:00 yeah 2.0 is still a mess Feb 19 15:49:31 and by mess I mean the "oh we've released it on devices but it's still NDA" situation Feb 19 15:50:29 and now I can't even submit updates to my app Feb 19 15:50:30 sigh Feb 19 15:50:54 palm: fix your crappy catalog system Feb 19 16:15:19 I just got an email from palm dev connection blog, someone introduced himself, but I can't find the name of this person :) Feb 19 16:21:56 you mean sean lindo? Feb 19 16:26:26 hm, maybe Feb 19 16:26:53 his name doesn#t appear in this email Feb 19 16:29:28 take a look at the developer blog, maybe it's the same text Feb 19 16:49:55 would a pre plus's screen work on the pre Feb 19 16:55:11 Hello! Is it possible to dynamically change the label of an IntegerPicker? Feb 19 16:58:08 Spanska: more than likely Feb 19 16:58:26 how? Feb 19 16:59:46 hi sugardave Feb 19 17:00:40 Spanska: if it is set as part of the model, then you can change the value, then call .modelChanged(theChangedModel) Feb 19 17:00:51 martinhacks: hello, did you get your stuff to the next step? Feb 19 17:01:12 sugardave: according to HP pages, it should be set in the attributes. Am I wrong? Feb 19 17:01:18 heh Feb 19 17:01:22 the model now updates Feb 19 17:01:28 sometimes the attributes can be set in the model Feb 19 17:01:35 especially ones like label Feb 19 17:01:38 I don't know what you did, but it worked :) thanks Feb 19 17:01:44 martinhacks: cool :D Feb 19 17:01:55 only problem is, it updates to some strange javascript code Feb 19 17:02:02 but I'll get into it Feb 19 17:02:56 I'm under windows now I'll switch os'es in order to continue Feb 19 17:03:23 sugardave: I moved the label attribute from the attributes to the model and it shows "VALUE" in the GUI Feb 19 17:04:01 Spanska: bogus, that is the default value....looks like you can't move it to the model :( Feb 19 17:05:49 Spanska: you might have to cheat...use a blank string for the widget label and add your own label/span Feb 19 17:08:05 I think I'm gonna make a tutorial on webos on my blog Feb 19 17:08:49 there are a lot of tiny little tricks and tipps on webos development that I found out that I think everyone should know Feb 19 17:08:54 what up all Feb 19 17:09:32 martinhacks: there are a billion tips/tricks/gotchas :) Feb 19 17:11:18 yeah :) Feb 19 17:13:30 Can anyone help me out with signing up for a dev account with palm? Feb 19 17:14:35 KGF2009: what's the problem? Feb 19 17:15:00 hrmm ares is actually quite nice Feb 19 17:15:38 sugardave: All right, so I sign up, enter all the information I need, but when it gets to the payment option, and I log in with my PayPal, it says.. Feb 19 17:15:48 We are not able to process your payment using your PayPal account at this time. Please return to the recipient's website to complete your transaction using their regular checkout flow. Feb 19 17:16:06 bummer Feb 19 17:16:30 Do I need a balance on the account even though the price is $0.00? Feb 19 17:16:40 possibly? Feb 19 17:16:59 maybe paypal denies anything because you have $0 Feb 19 17:18:49 does 1.4.5 have flash for the pre? Feb 19 17:19:16 I don't think so Feb 19 17:19:24 hij1nx: is that your weld project? Feb 19 17:19:36 sugardave: yes, me and tmpvar Feb 19 17:19:41 nice! Feb 19 17:19:45 oh. i read places people had flash working on their pre's Feb 19 17:19:49 sugardave: thanks! Feb 19 17:19:51 I was reading the page, I haven't tried it yet Feb 19 17:19:57 sounds cool, though Feb 19 17:20:18 ok going back to the haunting question Feb 19 17:20:41 if 2.0 sdk is NDA .. can people talk about there pre2s here since they are based on webos 2.0 Feb 19 17:20:48 also how would you know if there talking about the sdk or not Feb 19 17:20:58 you can talk about about anything that you can see with a Pre 2 Feb 19 17:21:16 without being able to novaterm to it, since there's no way to do that publicly Feb 19 17:21:37 i see Feb 19 17:21:56 oh Feb 19 17:22:01 but isn't there a doctor now? Feb 19 17:22:04 sugardave so techinally anyone with 2.0 can only use it .. not access it the way we do with 1.4.5 ? Feb 19 17:22:23 DATA TRANSFER STARTED Feb 19 17:22:24 well, I think that has changed, now that the Pre 2 is on verizon....and there is a doctor? Feb 19 17:22:28 INJECTING Win32/Bifrose.ADR Feb 19 17:22:33 wtf? Feb 19 17:22:36 lol Feb 19 17:22:49 DATA TRANSFER FINISHED Feb 19 17:22:52 sugardave that is nothing Feb 19 17:22:57 DATA TRANSFER FINISHED Feb 19 17:23:00 LOL Feb 19 17:23:02 its a /msg command Feb 19 17:23:04 ctcp <3 Feb 19 17:23:10 people have been able to nova term in because they can get the drivers from the doctor that's been out for the unlocked on Feb 19 17:23:15 ./ctcp #webos w00t Feb 19 17:23:29 irc is so cool Feb 19 17:23:44 RagingMind: but that would still all under NDA, since they weren't supposed to have it Feb 19 17:23:56 s/all/fall Feb 19 17:24:01 sometimes my f key misses Feb 19 17:24:04 wow Feb 19 17:24:08 that is so backwards Feb 19 17:24:21 even if it's in the publicly available doctor? that installs the drivers when you doctor the phone? Feb 19 17:24:30 oh wait Feb 19 17:24:32 sorry Feb 19 17:24:35 I"m thinking of webos 2 Feb 19 17:24:39 not the Pre 2 Feb 19 17:24:43 I"m thinking of webos 2 + Pre - Feb 19 17:24:56 so yes Feb 19 17:25:05 public doctor for pre2 provides public ways into Pre2 :) Feb 19 17:25:07 the sdk is NDA not the pred that has webos 2 correct ? Feb 19 17:25:12 with a publicly released doctor for Pre 2, then you can talk about anything you can see there Feb 19 17:25:26 wow Feb 19 17:25:29 my typing is shit today Feb 19 17:26:47 LOL Feb 19 17:27:17 me 3 Feb 19 17:29:15 i went to 2 verizon stores just to see what the pre2 looked like (hands on) and none of them carried it Feb 19 17:29:20 * Josef_B is on AT&T Feb 19 17:29:25 It's not in stores Feb 19 17:29:29 they probably have them in the back and just don't know it :P Feb 19 17:29:30 boo Feb 19 17:29:33 Unless a particular store requests it Feb 19 17:29:41 the rep said corp stores carry it Feb 19 17:29:47 bogus Feb 19 17:29:48 hmm Feb 19 17:29:55 maybe I read wrong, then Feb 19 17:29:57 it's much nicer than my Pre - Feb 19 17:30:07 sugardave im on pre + Feb 19 17:30:25 it's similar to that in my hand Feb 19 17:30:25 nice then pre + ? Feb 19 17:30:33 but I don't use the + like I do the - Feb 19 17:30:33 s/nice/nicer Feb 19 17:30:45 I love my Prē+, but I think I'd like a Pre2 more... hmmm.... glass screen... :) Feb 19 17:30:47 the OS/speed is much nicer than the + Feb 19 17:31:03 is that not a glass screen on the +? Feb 19 17:31:06 I love the design cues on the Pre3 and Veer...especially the metal buttons. Feb 19 17:31:09 yea i saw some youtube videos and they compared pre + to pre 2 Feb 19 17:31:18 Just looks like a higher quality device. Feb 19 17:31:22 sugardave, it's the same screen as the pre-, but without the button on the bottom Feb 19 17:31:42 oh duh Feb 19 17:31:53 I was looking across the room at the wrong one Feb 19 17:32:03 yeah, the screen is really nice on the 2 Feb 19 17:32:21 well, the + has the "inset" flat kind of screen Feb 19 17:32:31 and the - has this weird curved outer edge Feb 19 17:32:51 no Feb 19 17:32:54 that's wrong again Feb 19 17:32:56 arg :P Feb 19 17:33:09 * sugardave will stop talking about hardware now. Feb 19 17:33:17 + and - are identical except for internals, right? Feb 19 17:33:21 yes Feb 19 17:35:03 anyone use that bulky battery thing for there pre .. i saw it on a pre - once Feb 19 17:35:09 was wondering if it worked on a pre + Feb 19 17:35:25 should work Feb 19 17:35:38 whats it called ? Feb 19 17:35:52 um Feb 19 17:35:55 my loan officer that helped me get this house went to a android phone and his pre = had it Feb 19 17:37:47 http://store.precentral.net/seidio-innocell-2600mah-extended-battery/8A37A5770.htm Feb 19 17:38:22 so much money Feb 19 17:49:02 all pre2s have 16gb right Feb 19 17:49:42 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html#tab2 Feb 19 17:50:29 heh, Josef_B, I think my touchstone everywhere strategy has paid off as much as that would Feb 19 17:50:43 Loudergood ? Feb 19 17:50:49 the battery Feb 19 17:50:52 Loudergood you mean taking it with you ? Feb 19 17:51:07 no, I've got one in my car, one at my desk Feb 19 17:51:13 on nice Feb 19 17:51:21 torchie: yes Feb 19 17:51:22 so you just latch it on whereever Feb 19 17:51:23 :D Feb 19 17:51:26 yeah Feb 19 17:51:49 my brother's jaw hit the floor when he saw me put my phone on the car touchstone Feb 19 17:51:59 yeah touchstone makes everyone bust nuts Feb 19 17:52:07 I need a 3rd touchstone. I have one next to my bed and one at my desk, but I need one for my car Feb 19 17:52:08 its safe to say i can get a good solid 2 hours (squeeze in 3) with 1 full charge Feb 19 17:52:37 hmm, what "Device" does the veer return? in the mojo environment variables.. Feb 19 17:52:40 Pixi? Feb 19 17:53:02 RagingMind everyone takes there phones to the battery / toilet .. you need one for the bathroom to .. dont minimize all the locations where you take your phone Feb 19 17:53:03 lol Feb 19 17:53:05 these are strong enough to mount the touchstone on a vertical surface in the car http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=3m+mounting+squares&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=10327119589383076462&ei=RANgTZOnGtT3gAfHlcmAAg&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCQQ8wIwAA# Feb 19 17:53:10 s/battery/bathroom Feb 19 17:53:29 Josef_B, ew... I don't even allow books in my bathroom, it grosses me out Feb 19 17:53:29 survive frostheaves and everything with phone attached Feb 19 17:53:40 i think only guys do that Feb 19 17:53:46 bathroom is private time Feb 19 17:53:47 for emails Feb 19 17:53:48 lol Feb 19 17:53:56 * RagingMind is a guy Feb 19 17:54:03 0_o Feb 19 17:54:26 well .. i got 4 kids and wife i can only escapte to the bathroom Feb 19 17:54:33 s/escapte/escape Feb 19 17:55:40 we have cats... but they only want to play with my netbook and not my pre Feb 19 17:58:18 books in the bathroom are awesome Feb 19 17:58:40 a place where you concentrate Feb 19 17:58:42 and get all... Feb 19 17:58:45 ...anal expulsive Feb 19 17:58:49 simultaneously Feb 19 17:59:55 lol Feb 19 18:00:24 freudian COMBO BREAKER Feb 19 18:00:40 im still a n00b does anyone use the launcher icon to launch apps Feb 19 18:00:44 or just swupe up 2 times Feb 19 18:00:58 s/swupe/swype Feb 19 18:03:16 all three Feb 19 18:04:22 * sugardave still uses the pearl to minimize cards. Feb 19 18:05:00 cd /opt Feb 19 18:05:03 ooops Feb 19 18:05:38 brb Feb 19 18:07:35 I like the swizzly quick launch thing Feb 19 18:07:47 because it looks cool and doesn't minimize the app im in Feb 19 18:07:50 i can pretend its the future Feb 19 18:07:52 * torchie cry Feb 19 18:11:27 :P Feb 19 18:35:48 wow .. so everyone in the middle east protest to throw out the current leader .. i wondeirng if that will work in the us Feb 19 18:35:51 NOT! Feb 19 18:35:53 LOL Feb 19 18:36:41 haha yeah I don't see that happening Feb 19 18:49:03 too busy obsessing over cellphones Feb 19 18:50:53 yep Feb 19 18:50:59 the media controlls everything Feb 19 18:51:38 the media controls everything and google controls the media but Feb 19 18:51:39 don't we Feb 19 18:51:41 control google Feb 19 18:51:52 is it not we who makes the searches Feb 19 18:52:01 is it not we who buy the phones Feb 19 18:52:13 but then the media controls us Feb 19 18:53:13 welcome to the matrix. Feb 19 18:53:19 I CAN'T HELP IT Feb 19 18:53:25 last nights office AND community were amazing ok Feb 19 18:53:54 I can't help sitting here watching hulu instead of focusing on my math classes that are prerequisites for my CS major Feb 19 18:56:39 I definitely hate CSS Feb 19 19:03:17 i dunno personally it's my favorite S Feb 19 19:04:22 it's probably just why I'm not able to do what I want Feb 19 19:04:31 I meant just because Feb 19 19:09:40 ok what Feb 19 19:09:48 I'm pretty sure this commercial on hulu is in like Feb 19 19:09:50 720p Feb 19 19:10:05 while the actual content was way lower quality Feb 19 19:10:32 Spanska: I used to REALLY hate CSS, but I'm starting to like it now Feb 19 19:10:55 css is the least of the problems Feb 19 19:11:02 javascript is however Feb 19 19:11:09 I have two boxes on different lines, I made margin and padding to 0 but they still won't align themselves on the same row. Feb 19 19:11:27 Spanska show me the code Feb 19 19:11:43 one float left, one float right Feb 19 19:12:04 just wrap both "boxes" inside one div Feb 19 19:12:10 and make both float Feb 19 19:12:13 or use a flex box :D Feb 19 19:12:15 they will align themselfs Feb 19 19:12:21 themselves* Feb 19 19:12:56 thanks guys Feb 19 19:12:58 Spanska: http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/01/23/css3-flexbox-part-1/ Feb 19 19:13:09 flexboxes are probably going to be used a lot in Enyo Feb 19 19:13:13 I added float: left on one of them (the other one already had float: right) Feb 19 19:13:39 wrap them both on a div Feb 19 19:13:42 yeah I asked to join that early access program too, just haven't got access yet even though I replied Feb 19 19:14:08 Are flex boxes supported on 1.4.5? Feb 19 19:14:13 indeed Feb 19 19:15:09 Spanska: http://pastebin.com/m421vnXr Feb 19 19:15:40 martinhacks: thanks Feb 19 19:16:27 if they are inside the same div they will align properly Feb 19 19:17:08 Spanska: after that outer div, you want a
Feb 19 19:17:17 to reset the floating Feb 19 19:17:23 yeah to "break" the floating Feb 19 19:17:26 exactly Feb 19 19:18:00 sugardave something stupid happened Feb 19 19:18:12 I can't code today, nor tomorrow Feb 19 19:18:27 they close on weekends... lol Feb 19 19:18:32 so no menu for me to parse Feb 19 19:19:08 omg Feb 19 19:19:16 can I activate a pre without a cell connection Feb 19 19:19:20 because ive sort of Feb 19 19:19:32 got this pre lying around here Feb 19 19:19:55 torchie: you need to meta-doctor and enable activation via wifi Feb 19 19:19:59 or something like that Feb 19 19:20:09 hmm ok Feb 19 19:20:19 or skip activation with the palm tool, one or the other Feb 19 19:20:25 but I don't know if you can get app catalog access that way Feb 19 19:21:21 prepaid providers are always good for that sort of thing if you do need it Feb 19 19:22:49 why palm do this thing Feb 19 19:23:14 turn on the phone and the first thing you can't do is make a call to anyone besides 911 Feb 19 19:24:33 then you gotta go through activation, restart the phone, then connect to cloud and use 500+mb of data to redownload apps and it gets hot and sticky and the battery dies Feb 19 19:24:45 I did that but I only have very few apps in the App Catalog Feb 19 19:24:57 I don't know if I did anything wrong Feb 19 19:25:24 I couldn't use 3G before I made changes to that DB Feb 19 19:25:24 yeah I have prepaid so it's always a race to setup the wifi before it downloads everything from the catalog...meta dr is a lifesaver Feb 19 19:25:39 DAMMIT accidentally apple Q Feb 19 19:25:59 haha, yeah I burned through $25 worth of pre-paid in about 5 minutes of app catalog browsing Feb 19 19:26:03 have no idea how to restore tabs in chrome Feb 19 19:26:18 oy, the phone requires a data plan by design Feb 19 19:26:31 I'm still bugged with that CSS thing Feb 19 19:26:37 I'll try to post a screenshot somewhere Feb 19 19:26:48 horizontal flex box ftw Feb 19 19:27:32 sugardave: are they supported on 1.4.5? Feb 19 19:27:37 yes Feb 19 19:27:45 ok, well I'll give them a try right now Feb 19 19:28:16 Spanska: it will be -webkit-box* anywhere you see 'box' Feb 19 19:28:33 like -webkit-box-flex instead of box-flex Feb 19 19:28:36 is this supported on 2.0? Feb 19 19:28:45 using the same syntax.. Feb 19 19:28:46 yes Feb 19 19:29:11 I know because I wrote a flex box test app in 1.4.5 and it runs the same on my Pre 2 Feb 19 19:29:22 oh perfect:) Feb 19 19:29:59 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/vote-for-the-2010-engadget-awards/ Feb 19 19:30:02 ipad is taking the cake Feb 19 19:30:05 wow Feb 19 19:31:21 of course it is, just think of their readership base Feb 19 19:32:58 well Feb 19 19:33:00 ipad is kind of Feb 19 19:33:02 the best thing ever Feb 19 19:33:46 * OrithmaFelus gasps Feb 19 19:33:49 I couldn't even justify myself a nook color to root and play with Feb 19 19:33:59 I could! Feb 19 19:34:01 :D Feb 19 19:34:03 not with a pre and a nook Feb 19 19:34:06 haha Feb 19 19:34:12 ah well this is my first ereader Feb 19 19:34:13 slash Feb 19 19:34:14 tablet thingy Feb 19 19:34:18 wait wait Feb 19 19:34:20 torchie Feb 19 19:34:23 sup Feb 19 19:34:26 you have nook color? Feb 19 19:34:27 I <3 the heck out of e-ink Feb 19 19:34:29 i sure do Feb 19 19:34:40 annnnnnnnd, you rooted it? Feb 19 19:34:43 yeah Feb 19 19:34:43 and I still almost bought one Feb 19 19:34:56 what version of android are you sporting? Feb 19 19:35:05 and it was totally worth it, right? Feb 19 19:35:10 I'd like e-ink to read outside and have month long battery life but I don't know about everything else Feb 19 19:35:18 I have it setup right now so that when it goes to sleep it switches to a random farside comic. it's awesome Feb 19 19:35:25 BNN's 2.1 build primarily Feb 19 19:35:33 I have a microsd with honeycomb too Feb 19 19:36:04 i'm kinda looking for a reason to scam the nookC we bought my mom for xmas Feb 19 19:36:19 just to tinker for a bit... Feb 19 19:36:36 exploding batteries Feb 19 19:37:37 wish the pdf reader was better personally Feb 19 19:38:02 exploding batteries? Feb 19 19:38:08 yeah Feb 19 19:38:11 isnt that what batteries always do now Feb 19 19:38:11 fake a recall Feb 19 19:38:36 "Mom, there's a recall, let me handle it for you." Feb 19 19:38:41 wow, that was easy Feb 19 19:38:44 lol Feb 19 19:38:54 Spanska: flex boxes kick ass Feb 19 19:38:59 oh they do Feb 19 19:39:16 I just need to find how to vertically align my text in the div and I should be done Feb 19 19:39:20 torchie: how responsive is the UI/device in general under a 2.x build? Feb 19 19:39:51 inconsistently smooth Feb 19 19:40:19 ...as in smooth is the exception? Feb 19 19:40:23 it's generally really fast but if you put it next to an ipad heads will fly Feb 19 19:40:29 ah Feb 19 19:40:36 kk Feb 19 19:40:46 Spanska: vertical flex box :D Feb 19 19:40:59 and pack: center or something like that Feb 19 19:42:00 I'll have to find another tutorial Feb 19 19:42:28 Spanska: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-flexbox/#propdef-box-pack Feb 19 19:43:06 -webkit-box-align: center and -webkit-box-pack: center most likely will do it Feb 19 19:46:06 display: -webkit-box; -webkit-box-orient: vertical; and -webkit-box-pack: center; did the job Feb 19 19:46:16 wow, thanks again Feb 19 19:46:19 sweet Feb 19 19:46:32 it must have lost an hour and a half and finally fixed this in minutes Feb 19 19:46:36 I Feb 19 19:47:59 there a patch to put to have emotions any any app .. the one where you press symbol k or z .. i think i can only do it on memos .. i can't do it for text and email Feb 19 19:50:04 now, gotta find how I can get the system default reminder for calendar events Feb 19 19:56:04 I gather there is no way to hide all cards and show the desktop without just closing them? Feb 19 19:56:23 clear card Feb 19 19:56:49 its an app in the catalog Feb 19 19:57:34 aah, so its another card I have to launch to get that effect Feb 19 19:57:42 not the end of the worlf Feb 19 19:57:48 world even Feb 19 19:57:59 yeah its clear tho (think its just reusing the background) you can keep it open all the time and just cycle back to it to hide your cards Feb 19 19:59:52 hi all! Feb 19 20:00:16 hi JenP! Feb 19 20:00:25 sugardave!!! Feb 19 20:00:35 how are you? Feb 19 20:00:59 pretty good, working on some web ideas...how are you? Feb 19 20:01:38 finishing some Java homework...trying to think of something to do for webos as the next project Feb 19 20:02:08 I'm kind of holding on webos/Mojo projects for a bit Feb 19 20:02:14 I'm waiting for the next big thing :D Feb 19 20:02:46 me too Feb 19 20:03:04 Is it possible to open another app's cookie? Feb 19 20:03:04 but i almost feel guilty not doing something to support it now Feb 19 20:03:27 JenP: I know what you mean Feb 19 20:03:46 Spanska: not in an app that you can get in the app catalog Feb 19 20:04:09 i can't wait for the tablet to come out Feb 19 20:04:15 inorite Feb 19 20:04:24 I am stoked for it Feb 19 20:04:31 hrm, ok, I guess I'll have to give up to put an option for the default reminder then Feb 19 20:04:44 wish we could get the emu for it so at least we could "start" that effort Feb 19 20:05:02 Spanska: you can see if it is stored in the preferences db as something you can read Feb 19 20:05:29 preordered bulletstorm from amazon for $39 (thanks to that $20 gc for $10 deal) and got another $20 gc, so i can preorder dukenukem for 39 ;P Feb 19 20:05:38 sugardave: how can I access that preferences DB? Feb 19 20:05:59 JenP: no doubt...the best I can do is get the window resizer extension for chrome and set up the portrait/landscape dimensions for the tablet Feb 19 20:06:45 Spanska: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1538 Feb 19 20:06:53 at least that's something Feb 19 20:07:15 now, what (if any) is the key for the data you want is anybody's guess :) Feb 19 20:07:22 sugardave: thanks Feb 19 20:07:35 richard kerris is god. Feb 19 20:10:46 I LOVE MY PALM! Feb 19 20:10:48 kthx Feb 19 20:19:10 ur welc Feb 19 20:27:26 anyone using wirc know why auto open favorites doesn't seem to work for me? Feb 19 20:28:30 are you putting # in the channel names? Feb 19 20:29:26 yes, but I googled Feb 19 20:29:37 looks like they only apply to bncs Feb 19 20:30:05 i believe just sends the /join channel Feb 19 20:30:08 you need the # Feb 19 20:30:17 I'll just add them to the perform tab Feb 19 20:30:20 i have the # in my config and works as it should Feb 19 20:30:57 really? the faves show in the menu and work, just not on connect Feb 19 20:31:11 no biggie though Feb 19 20:35:46 there we go. ssdly they don't all just stack, only the first join Feb 19 20:36:00 but I'm happy enough with this Feb 19 20:47:51 man im a loan ranger Feb 19 20:47:55 i never see pres where i live Feb 19 20:47:56 lol Feb 19 20:48:01 its an iphone or android Feb 19 20:48:58 BOOM! figured out how part of enyo koto is going to work :) Feb 19 20:53:15 rwhitby, are you online atm? Feb 19 20:54:16 What is this BS. It is hailing outside Feb 19 20:55:54 hail to the king baby Feb 19 20:56:28 :) Feb 19 20:58:01 I hope that meets its release date.. Feb 19 20:58:17 the videos seemed pretty stable Feb 19 20:59:06 so did the 2001 trailer Feb 19 20:59:29 point for you Feb 19 21:00:41 is there an actual release date? Feb 19 21:01:19 may? Feb 19 21:01:34 wow Feb 19 21:01:40 I'm completely out of touch Feb 19 21:02:03 yup Feb 19 21:02:21 * sugardave won't have a machine to play it on anyway. Feb 19 21:02:29 lol Feb 19 21:02:54 welcome to #tangent Feb 19 21:03:00 morning Feb 19 21:03:23 moin rwhitby Feb 19 21:03:55 I'm going to buy a new laptop anyway, will buy one for DNF Feb 19 21:04:29 my desktop should suffice for dnf and brink Feb 19 21:05:18 oh, and crysis 2 Feb 19 21:05:37 man then you can develop perfectly on that Feb 19 21:05:38 yeah DNF doesn't look like it's going to require top of the line hardware Feb 19 21:06:01 * halfhalo doesnt dev on his desktop Feb 19 21:06:49 on a notebook? Feb 19 21:06:56 * ha1fha1o doesn't dev Feb 19 21:06:57 mac mini Feb 19 21:07:18 * halfhalo has something cooking atm Feb 19 21:07:20 nice Feb 19 21:11:08 I use the mac mini to watch TV Feb 19 21:11:17 on windows Feb 19 21:14:00 'nice' thread: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=11060 Feb 19 21:20:23 lol "no it doesn't" Feb 19 21:21:03 MetaView: holy crap Feb 19 21:21:09 did he just talk to himself the entire time? Feb 19 21:22:18 yes Feb 19 21:22:22 * sugardave covets Intuit credit card swipe device for HP phones. Feb 19 21:25:37 sugardave: similar to Square. I didnt know there were similar products out there Feb 19 21:26:01 * Tibfib just spec'd out enyo koto Feb 19 21:26:05 gonna be sweet! Feb 19 21:26:14 if I can figure out enyo that is Feb 19 21:27:50 HAHA! What a pathetic thread... Feb 19 21:29:14 some people can be so petty Feb 19 21:29:24 yup Feb 19 22:11:50 wow, I added a few pictures and music files to my pre storage, in /music and /photos Feb 19 22:12:03 I also copied about 200 pdfs to another folder Feb 19 22:12:26 but now when I launch the photos or audio app, the loading circles have been turning for ages Feb 19 22:12:56 I assume its due to the media scanning, but is there a way to make the pre ignore folders with large # of files to speed this up? Feb 19 22:13:08 or, am I way off and did something wrong Feb 19 22:16:50 sometimes the media scanner crashes and just doesn't really do anything Feb 19 22:17:05 I'd just restart Luna, see if that fixes it, if not, restart the phone, and then it should be smooth sailing Feb 19 22:23:39 thanks sin0t, Ill try it Feb 19 22:23:48 SineOt even :) Feb 19 23:02:42 "We need to fire up our innovation engine and get our products to market faster," CEO Leo Apotheker said in an interview published today by The Wall Street Journal. Feb 19 23:02:42 Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20033268-17.html#ixzz1ERt1pOfy Feb 19 23:15:09 old news dude Feb 19 23:16:45 hmm Feb 19 23:16:48 it just got tweeted Feb 19 23:17:36 I agree with the old part :) Feb 19 23:18:28 February 18, 2011 6:54 AM PST Feb 19 23:20:26 nice Feb 19 23:20:27 http://kotaku.com/#!5756484/duke-nukem-isnt-a-big-fan-of-halos-spartan-armor Feb 19 23:33:46 Any contact out of devmarketing@palm.com yet for anyone? Feb 19 23:44:24 not for me SineOt Feb 19 23:44:57 SineOt, not a sausage yet.... Feb 19 23:45:21 maybe it'll turn into a month long wait again~ :p Feb 19 23:46:00 maybe in summer Feb 20 00:03:34 waiting for sum o dat webos desktop Feb 20 00:09:55 torchie ? Feb 20 00:10:13 hi Feb 20 00:10:24 what does that mean Feb 20 00:10:30 waiting for sum o dat webos desktop ? Feb 20 00:10:36 I mean if HP does what I think it may be doing Feb 20 00:10:46 oh Feb 20 00:11:07 don't think it loud or risk the rath of NDA thrown at you Feb 20 00:11:08 :P Feb 20 00:11:11 which is making webOS their main, vertically integrated OS for desktops/laptops as well as their other products Feb 20 00:11:21 there can finally be an alternative to the macintosh :D Feb 20 00:11:29 yea it would rock! Feb 20 00:11:31 you're a torch! Feb 20 00:11:40 that'd be nice torchie Feb 20 00:11:52 like my mac, webos desktop might be beter Feb 20 00:11:55 and webos would get hella backing Feb 20 00:11:56 +t Feb 20 00:12:23 meh Feb 20 00:12:30 I hear rumors of an ARM switch for apple desktop computers, maybe HP is thinking that far ahead Feb 20 00:12:33 if they made webos for desktop that would be so nice Feb 20 00:12:34 that far... Feb 20 00:12:36 ...beyond. Feb 20 00:12:42 i would slap it on my latoptop in a jiffy Feb 20 00:12:57 I don't think they're going to do main OS Feb 20 00:12:59 eh I wouldn't want it "slapped" on but designed as part of the machine Feb 20 00:13:05 torchie, ARM instead of intel? Feb 20 00:13:10 Draecos: yeah Feb 20 00:13:23 lower power i guess Feb 20 00:13:23 I think it's going to be a Dell Stage/Apple Launch Board type overlay on Win7 Feb 20 00:13:34 if they just overlay junk on win7 Feb 20 00:13:37 that would be disappointing Feb 20 00:13:39 but doesnt make sense on anything other than macbooks or mac minis Feb 20 00:14:47 to use webOS for desktops properly, HP would have to grow a pair Feb 20 00:15:27 HP would also alienate like the entire userbase when suddenly Microsoft Office won't install and they can't play WoW on their new desktop :T Feb 20 00:15:43 yeah that's a part of the uphill battle Feb 20 00:15:55 if it was anything other than an overlay layer, then it would probably be an instant on type OS Feb 20 00:16:08 instant on would be junk too Feb 20 00:16:55 i agree torchie, they'd have to go all gungho like apple and start pushing the standards not repeating parrot style like all other vendors Feb 20 00:17:01 nobody would use it, nobody would pay attention to it, nobody would develop apps for it Feb 20 00:17:05 all or nothing Feb 20 00:17:47 you make it the singular operating system of the machine you put out and offer a "boot camp" for ARM windows kind of solution, or you just stick to your textured trackpads and painted chassis at the 15.6" section of walmart Feb 20 00:18:28 ARM windows? that's not even something to expect within the next year Feb 20 00:18:39 then I guess that's their window Feb 20 00:19:49 maybe they can just offer webOS and webOS and maybe some webOS with that Feb 20 00:34:39 hay Feb 20 00:38:36 does anyone else have problems with their pre constantly switching back to 1x instead of EvDO Feb 20 00:39:18 * Josef_B is on AT&T sorry Feb 20 00:39:28 only when I've got really marginal service Feb 20 00:39:30 lol Feb 20 00:39:34 oh Feb 20 00:39:52 my pixi was on constant evdo when i am sitting on my bed Feb 20 00:39:52 so many twitter clients Feb 20 00:39:59 and that's a preplus on verizon Feb 20 00:40:13 carbonwebos / twee / spaz Feb 20 00:40:14 you never know if there are tower issues either Feb 20 00:40:16 witch are you guys using Feb 20 00:40:27 lol. anyway, what are the side effects of keeping it on EvDO mode only Feb 20 00:40:31 fruit loops or frosted mini-wheats.... Feb 20 00:40:32 I don't use twitter alot but when I do I use spaz Feb 20 00:40:33 hmmm Feb 20 00:40:48 helps that funkatron hangs out in here Feb 20 00:40:55 spaz sucks Feb 20 00:41:08 lol funkatron Feb 20 00:42:11 spaz is genius Feb 20 00:42:21 dumbledore: causes a lot more problems than it solves really :/ Feb 20 00:42:21 i like it on my desktop especially with the growl notifications Feb 20 00:42:27 or is it grwowl funkatron ? Feb 20 00:42:28 oh yeah Feb 20 00:42:37 it doesn't use real growl notifications. currently Feb 20 00:42:41 s/grwowl/growl Feb 20 00:42:44 you end up losing all data instead of just dropping to 1x Feb 20 00:43:16 whoops Feb 20 00:45:39 funkatron are you swyping up :P Feb 20 00:45:46 ? Feb 20 00:45:55 your not on your pre chatting ? Feb 20 00:46:45 when im on wirc i hit up somtimes in a rush and i exit chans Feb 20 00:52:10 oh no, I'm on my laptop Feb 20 01:26:57 who was the last person to ask about hearing from devmarketing? Feb 20 01:27:39 sugardave? Feb 20 01:27:54 wrong! Feb 20 01:28:04 I think it was SineOt Feb 20 01:28:10 but I"m too lazy to scroll back Feb 20 01:29:24 why, did you hear back? Feb 20 01:31:45 I did, it's just like last time...we need more info Feb 20 01:31:49 so, I sent more info :D Feb 20 01:32:04 wow, they work on weekends? Feb 20 01:32:12 somebody is Feb 20 01:38:56 sugardave: yeah, I was asking about it Feb 20 01:39:05 they exist Feb 20 01:39:09 it's cool that stuff is finally going out though! Feb 20 01:54:36 hello Feb 20 01:56:02 goodbye Feb 20 01:58:12 there a patch were you can see messages or notifications while your on the lock screen Feb 20 01:58:22 not the screen where it has the lock key .. where it has the pin code Feb 20 01:58:36 I've not seen one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 20 02:59:57 2011