**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 22 02:59:58 2011
Feb 22 03:29:53 <geeksquadkid> So I finally leanred who Chuq was and I started dieing of laughter cause I was so confused before xD
Feb 22 03:29:56 <haeffb> my Sprint Pre's from have shipped
Feb 22 03:30:10 <joebpre> huh ?
Feb 22 03:30:25 <haeffb> from ebay
Feb 22 03:30:35 <joebpre> haeffb: is it a testing pre ?
Feb 22 03:31:06 <joebpre> oh nvm I forgot .. sprint legacys have good news eh ?
Feb 22 03:33:18 <geeksquadkid> huh?
Feb 22 03:37:13 <rwhitby> FYI, webOSRoundup is doing a live video podcast at http://www.webosroundup.com/wor-radio-live/ with the chat window here in #webosroundup
Feb 22 03:37:33 <joebpre> is something suppose to be happening thursday on sprint ?
Feb 22 03:38:48 <geeksquadkid> joebpre: i believe they are makeing an announcement and from what ive heard its they are getting a winmo7 phone
Feb 22 03:38:51 <bnceo> joebpre: very likely it's Windows 7
Feb 22 03:39:12 <SineOt> yeah the HTC 7 Pro or whatever
Feb 22 03:40:17 <geeksquadkid> They were talking about it being a gameing hub etc, that appears winmo7
Feb 22 03:40:34 <joebpre> one guy on twitter hopes they announce support or lauch more webos based phones
Feb 22 03:40:51 <SineOt> too bad webOS doesn't have anything even remotely referred to as "hubs"
Feb 22 03:41:16 <geeksquadkid> quote from sprints facebook: "If you could design your own phone, what would it have? A hub for gaming, music, video and pics? Contacts from email to Facebook in one place? A simple way to streamline messages? Sprint's next phone will have all that and more. Come back 2/24 for details."
Feb 22 03:41:29 <geeksquadkid> sounds winmo7ish to me
Feb 22 03:41:45 <SineOt> yeah, the hub stuff pretty much nails it down as being WP7
Feb 22 03:43:07 <geeksquadkid> I love this comment "킴멕스 If you root your EVO, you can WiFi Tether, which is making ur phone a hotbot, for free. Same with the Hero" It makes me want to say "The pre can do that no rooting required :D"
Feb 22 03:45:57 <PatrickC_Pre> hay
Feb 22 03:46:20 <geeksquadkid> sup
Feb 22 03:46:29 <PatrickC_Pre> how's it goin?
Feb 22 03:47:37 <geeksquadkid> not bad. attempting to teach myself everything from html -> js in 2 months
Feb 22 03:47:55 <PatrickC_Pre> ooo. we can learn together :)
Feb 22 03:48:04 <PatrickC_Pre> ask sineot, I need help..... big time lol
Feb 22 03:48:21 <PatrickC_Pre> I know HTML but hardly any js
Feb 22 03:49:04 <bnceo> I only know HTML via dreamweaver
Feb 22 03:49:14 <bnceo> but never coding it. I am pure amature in JS
Feb 22 03:49:44 <PatrickC_Pre> hay, 3 people who could use more JS experience :)
Feb 22 03:50:33 <geeksquadkid> haha I bought a book. I know visual basic xD
Feb 22 03:51:03 <SineOt> for webos, having started uh... a few months ago with just HTML knowledge
Feb 22 03:51:20 <PatrickC_Pre> well, HTML/CSS/JS is enough for me
Feb 22 03:51:22 <SineOt> functions, if statements, and AJAX are the three things that would be good to start off learning
Feb 22 03:51:40 <PatrickC_Pre> wow sine, you started like me :o
Feb 22 03:51:52 <geeksquadkid> with html what is most important. all of it? xD
Feb 22 03:52:14 <PatrickC_Pre> I didn't learn HTML5/XHTML
Feb 22 03:52:37 <SineOt> geeksquadkid: divs, how to style and lay them out
Feb 22 03:53:15 <PatrickC_Pre> I don't even think I got as far as divs
Feb 22 03:53:18 <SineOt> divs, the box model, and the css to lay them out
Feb 22 03:53:29 <PatrickC_Pre> I took the W3schools html and a few others
Feb 22 03:53:51 <geeksquadkid> i did some of w3schools but didnt want to need my computer to learn
Feb 22 03:53:57 * PatrickC_Pre needs a thumb drive with wifi
Feb 22 03:54:11 <PatrickC_Pre> you mean internet access?
Feb 22 03:54:49 <geeksquadkid> no i mean when im on the train(i take the train to school) and its harder to have a laptop out then have a book out
Feb 22 03:55:08 <PatrickC_Pre> ahh now I see
Feb 22 03:55:47 <bnceo> is it me or by looking at the dev day presentation on enyo, does it seem it will be easier to code for it than mojo for a newbie like me?
Feb 22 03:56:01 <PatrickC_Pre> HP needs to make a thumb drive with wifi and a tiny screen
Feb 22 03:56:04 <geeksquadkid> its supposed to be easier
Feb 22 03:56:15 <PatrickC_Pre> it is suppose to be easier
Feb 22 03:56:18 <geeksquadkid> thats why they are doign it
Feb 22 03:56:24 <SineOt> it's easier, but if you don't have a decent grasp on JS, it's going to be even more confusing
Feb 22 03:56:42 <PatrickC_Pre> mojo is confusing enough for me :)
Feb 22 03:56:53 <geeksquadkid> by the time its used heavily though you can learn that decent grasp on js
Feb 22 03:57:25 <PatrickC_Pre> true
Feb 22 03:58:25 <SineOt> and the big thing to keep in mind is that Mojo isn't going anywhere soon... it'll still run on the TouchPad
Feb 22 03:58:32 <SineOt> it'll still run on the Veer, the Pre3
Feb 22 03:58:33 <PatrickC_Pre> anyone here ever heard of eloquent javascript?
Feb 22 03:58:53 <Loudergood> isn't that an oxymoron?
Feb 22 03:59:14 <PatrickC_Pre> no, its a tutorial
Feb 22 03:59:14 <geeksquadkid> but if your not in a rush anyways SineOt might as well stick with enyo. doesnt require apps per screen size.
Feb 22 03:59:16 <PatrickC_Pre> google it
Feb 22 04:00:03 <SineOt> geeksquadkid: yeah, but there's no word on if Enyo will ship at launch on the Veer/Pre3
Feb 22 04:00:17 <SineOt> and apps per screen size isn't that big of a deal if you plan it right
Feb 22 04:00:30 <geeksquadkid> well im in no rush lol xD
Feb 22 04:00:36 <SineOt> I have done a total of 0 extra work to make sure my app works fine on the Pre/Veer/Pixi
Feb 22 04:00:43 <SineOt> just need to make higher res graphics for the Pre3
Feb 22 04:02:21 <geeksquadkid> and touchpad
Feb 22 04:08:05 <geeksquadkid> any of you have your own website?
Feb 22 04:08:17 <PatrickC_Pre> I do
Feb 22 04:08:30 <PatrickC_Pre> I have 2
Feb 22 04:08:44 <geeksquadkid> whos your somain hoster(s)
Feb 22 04:09:01 <geeksquadkid> domain*
Feb 22 04:09:03 <PatrickC_Pre> weebly and wordpress.com
Feb 22 04:09:14 <geeksquadkid> which you prefer?
Feb 22 04:09:25 <PatrickC_Pre> what are you looking to do?
Feb 22 04:09:58 <geeksquadkid> host a website when I eventually get good enough to have my own apps lol.
Feb 22 04:10:06 <Loudergood> I should set one up....
Feb 22 04:10:07 <PatrickC_Pre> and do you want to code the site by hand, and have to buy a domain?
Feb 22 04:10:19 <Loudergood> I work for a webhost and get free space after all...
Feb 22 04:10:28 <PatrickC_Pre> what webhost?
Feb 22 04:10:41 <Loudergood> I work for a tiny ISP
Feb 22 04:10:49 <Loudergood> we do a little webhosting on the side
Feb 22 04:10:50 <geeksquadkid> Pat: I'll code it by hand
Feb 22 04:10:57 <PatrickC_Pre> I could work for one if I want, I know some friends who I work with who run one
Feb 22 04:11:07 <PatrickC_Pre> how much you looking to spend geeksquadkif
Feb 22 04:11:14 <PatrickC_Pre> *grrksquadkid*
Feb 22 04:11:23 <PatrickC_Pre> **geeksquadkid**
Feb 22 04:11:29 <PatrickC_Pre> there we go :)
Feb 22 04:11:35 * haeffb uses http://justhost.com
Feb 22 04:11:46 <geeksquadkid> I have no idea how much lol. I don't even know the prices.
Feb 22 04:11:57 <Loudergood> just don't use dreamhost
Feb 22 04:11:59 <PatrickC_Pre> I will refer you to my friend
Feb 22 04:12:09 <Loudergood> they tried to burn me hard a few years ago
Feb 22 04:12:40 <PatrickC_Pre> he has a really good price, and I know him :)
Feb 22 04:12:57 <geeksquadkid> aight
Feb 22 04:13:11 <PatrickC_Pre> http://floathost.com/
Feb 22 04:13:57 <PatrickC_Pre> if you have any questions, just email the first email on the about page (dennis@floathost.com) and tell him I refered u
Feb 22 04:14:14 <geeksquadkid> I'll heck it out!
Feb 22 04:14:23 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 22 04:14:27 <PatrickC_Pre> have fun :)
Feb 22 04:17:40 <SineOt> I use NearlyFreeSpeech, since... I paid like 8 cents last month for it
Feb 22 04:18:44 * PatrickC_Pre checks out nearlyfreespeech
Feb 22 04:19:15 <PatrickC_Pre> geeksquadkid, what did you think of floathost?
Feb 22 04:20:08 <SineOt> yeah, last month cost me uh... 8 cents to host
Feb 22 04:20:55 <PatrickC_Pre> wow
Feb 22 04:21:51 <SineOt> 5 cents so far this month
Feb 22 04:21:57 <PatrickC_Pre> it says a average annual total for me is about $38
Feb 22 04:22:21 * PatrickC_Pre goes and visits and does all he can to make sine's bill huge :)
Feb 22 04:23:19 * SineOt ends up paying a dollar
Feb 22 04:23:27 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 22 04:28:13 * PatrickC_Pre is making SineOt happy and taking a JS tutorial recommended by the ##javascript channel's very own jsBot
Feb 22 04:29:19 <shinkamui> anyone know where in a pre app that uses pdk compiled apps/services said service is launched?
Feb 22 04:29:28 <shinkamui> traditionally
Feb 22 04:31:17 <SineOt> Ugh. Here I was, all prepared to have an amazing keyboard display... And I find out that the API I was planning on using blows.
Feb 22 04:31:36 <PatrickC_Pre> keyboard display?
Feb 22 04:32:17 <sugardave> shinkamui: no-eye deer, sorry
Feb 22 04:32:39 <SineOt> <html><boxee:iphone><boxee:response><boxee:keyboard active="0" text="" hidden="0"></boxee:keyboard></boxee:response></boxee:iphone></html>
Feb 22 04:32:50 <SineOt> ~totally useful api responses goooooooooo~
Feb 22 04:33:15 <PatrickC_Pre> iphone?
Feb 22 04:33:22 <PatrickC_Pre> you dev for iphone?
Feb 22 04:33:26 <SineOt> no
Feb 22 04:33:31 <SineOt> that's the entire API response
Feb 22 04:33:37 <PatrickC_Pre> ah ok
Feb 22 04:33:40 <sugardave> that's dumb
Feb 22 04:34:04 <SineOt> yeah, especially since you have to have a virtual keyboard and not just a text field selected to get the contents
Feb 22 04:34:11 <sugardave> it's like peppering XML weirdness in standard HTML?
Feb 22 04:34:18 <SineOt> yes
Feb 22 04:34:25 <sugardave> bogus
Feb 22 04:35:33 <SineOt> way bogus, yeah
Feb 22 04:35:50 <SineOt> oh well, back to completely invisible input field it goes...
Feb 22 04:36:37 <shinkamui> k
Feb 22 05:34:49 <PatrickC_Pre> night
Feb 22 05:36:20 <gkatsev> PatrickC_Pre: I use vim. night
Feb 22 05:36:54 <PatrickC_Pre> hi gkatsev. thanks!
Feb 22 05:37:05 <PatrickC_Pre> well, I might stay up a little more
Feb 22 05:37:09 <gkatsev> lol
Feb 22 05:37:10 <PatrickC_Pre> I use notepad++
Feb 22 05:37:13 <PatrickC_Pre> http://m.precentral.net/touchpad-be-available-soon-april-rumor
Feb 22 05:37:37 <gkatsev> they really need to get all their hardware out before the summer.
Feb 22 05:37:46 <PatrickC_Pre> you use preware, right
Feb 22 05:37:48 <PatrickC_Pre> I know
Feb 22 05:37:55 <PatrickC_Pre> Pre3 on sprint ftw!
Feb 22 05:38:11 <PatrickC_Pre> PHILIP!!! hi
Feb 22 05:38:25 <ozetadev> hi patrick
Feb 22 05:38:46 <PatrickC_Pre> did you get my email?
Feb 22 05:38:48 <ozetadev> fancy seeing you here at 230 am
Feb 22 05:38:51 <ozetadev> when?
Feb 22 05:39:10 <PatrickC_Pre> just now. and its 11:38 Pm
Feb 22 05:39:27 <PatrickC_Pre> I never see you on here lol
Feb 22 05:39:33 <ozetadev> well im east coast. lemme go check
Feb 22 05:40:07 <PatrickC_Pre> ok, and its only 1:39 Am on the east coast
Feb 22 05:40:33 <ozetadev> oh duh my pre 2 is on some weird time setting
Feb 22 05:40:39 <gkatsev> it's 12:40am on the east coast
Feb 22 05:40:50 <ozetadev> and yeah i doubt that's true
Feb 22 05:41:03 <PatrickC_Pre> well... you never know
Feb 22 05:41:16 <PatrickC_Pre> you might have tipped me off to truth :p
Feb 22 05:41:33 <ozetadev> LoL yeah.
Feb 22 05:42:05 <PatrickC_Pre> I still can't get the advanced system menu - framework (vzw) to install...
Feb 22 05:42:16 <PatrickC_Pre> or the original one
Feb 22 05:43:19 <ozetadev> what is that
Feb 22 05:43:30 <PatrickC_Pre> a patch
Feb 22 05:43:35 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 22 05:44:08 <PatrickC_Pre> philip, where do you recommend I learn JS?
Feb 22 05:44:25 <PatrickC_Pre> oh, and I referred someone to floathost :)
Feb 22 05:44:41 <ozetadev> Lol ok i don't work with them
Feb 22 05:45:02 <ozetadev> and there are many ways to learn. the internets for example
Feb 22 05:45:03 <PatrickC_Pre> I thought you did
Feb 22 05:45:04 <gkatsev> PatrickC_Pre: I still say eloquent :)
Feb 22 05:45:29 <PatrickC_Pre> gkatsev, idk... they are confusing and long :p
Feb 22 05:45:39 <gkatsev> it's a book
Feb 22 05:45:53 <PatrickC_Pre> well... I don't like books lol
Feb 22 05:46:10 <ozetadev> fzammetti has a great book
Feb 22 05:46:18 <SineOt> omg PatrickC_Pre just when I think you can't say something dumber you always manage to blow away my previous expectations
Feb 22 05:46:31 <PatrickC_Pre> but... its a... book lol
Feb 22 05:46:41 <PatrickC_Pre> do any teenagers really like books?
Feb 22 05:46:58 <ozetadev> yes
Feb 22 05:46:59 <SineOt> yes
Feb 22 05:47:00 <gkatsev> how old are you?
Feb 22 05:47:10 <halfhalo> bah
Feb 22 05:47:14 <PatrickC_Pre> :/
Feb 22 05:47:42 <PatrickC_Pre> 15
Feb 22 05:47:48 <gkatsev> lol
Feb 22 05:47:52 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Feb 22 05:48:16 <PatrickC_Pre> I can't figure out this IPKG log error....
Feb 22 05:48:25 <SineOt> to quote: "read a fuckin' book! not a magazine, not a sports page, a fucking book"
Feb 22 05:48:47 <PatrickC_Pre> who's quote is that?
Feb 22 05:50:11 <SineOt> can't remember off the top of my head, from a music video
Feb 22 05:50:41 <gkatsev> SineOt: d'mite?
Feb 22 05:50:47 <gkatsev> er, lil jon
Feb 22 05:51:11 <gkatsev> ok, no, d'mite
Feb 22 05:51:37 <SineOt> yeah, d'mite
Feb 22 05:54:41 <gkatsev> also, I liked books when I was 15
Feb 22 05:55:47 <ozetadev> same
Feb 22 06:08:20 <joebpre> http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/02/21/webos-2-0-update-will-release-on-palm-pre-plus/
Feb 22 06:08:25 <joebpre>  ?
Feb 22 06:10:44 <ozetadev> false
Feb 22 07:09:53 <destinal> joebpre: I would say more "unconfirmed and not finalized, but could happen"
Feb 22 07:11:08 <joebpre> destinal: .. that for the link I posted ?
Feb 22 07:12:13 <destinal> joebpre: What I've heard is that O2 could get 2.0 for pre+ and the palm page that checks your serial # to say whether or not you can get webos 2.0 specifically references that they're working with O2 on it
Feb 22 07:12:25 <RagingMind> I read so much more when I was 15 than I do now :(
Feb 22 07:12:26 <destinal> joebpre: now this may still change
Feb 22 07:13:00 <sugardave> I'm pretty sure the "lol I"m only 15" excuse is not the reason he doesn't like books
Feb 22 07:16:38 <destinal> sugardave: reminds me of a Bill Hicks joke where a waitress at a diner asks him "What you reading for?"
Feb 22 07:17:08 <sugardave> haha
Feb 22 07:17:23 <hotdp> Good morning?
Feb 22 07:17:40 <sugardave> hotdp: good morning
Feb 22 07:17:50 <hotdp> uhh sugardave: is it not late?
Feb 22 07:17:52 <sugardave> it's REALLY early morning here
Feb 22 07:17:57 <hotdp> ahh ehehe
Feb 22 07:18:09 <hotdp> busy with some good stuff?
Feb 22 07:18:50 <sugardave> not terribly...trying to decide if it's worth writing a custom Drupal module for this idea I have
Feb 22 07:19:00 <hotdp> :)
Feb 22 07:19:19 <destinal> sugardave: then a trucker at a nearby table comes up and says  "wellll ..  looks like we got ourselves a reader!"
Feb 22 07:20:24 <sugardave> destinal: heh, was it at the Beaumont Hair-Care Tire Center Municipal Airport?
Feb 22 07:20:40 <sugardave> oh that's Tater Salad
Feb 22 07:25:45 <swisstomcat> morning
Feb 22 07:25:50 <sugardave> morning
Feb 22 07:26:05 <swisstomcat> up late?
Feb 22 07:26:26 <dkirker> 'morning!
Feb 22 07:26:39 <dkirker> Actually, there is 35 more minutes until the morning :)
Feb 22 07:27:34 <dkirker> hi Adora!
Feb 22 07:28:30 <sugardave> swisstomcat: yeah a little, goint to bed soon
Feb 22 07:28:37 <sugardave> hi dkirker and Adora
Feb 22 07:28:51 <dkirker> hi sugardave!
Feb 22 07:29:30 <hotdp> what do you guys think about the april touchpad rumor?
Feb 22 07:29:38 <swisstomcat> BS
Feb 22 07:29:42 <swisstomcat> it's too early
Feb 22 07:29:46 <sugardave> hope it turns true, but not holding my breath
Feb 22 07:29:59 <swisstomcat> maybe they meant the Pre3
Feb 22 07:30:05 <sugardave> heh
Feb 22 07:30:09 <dkirker> That may be when the hardware goes into production, but I feel that is too early.
Feb 22 07:30:11 <swisstomcat> that would be nice
Feb 22 07:30:25 <swisstomcat> the pre3 should be easier in terms of software
Feb 22 07:30:35 <swisstomcat> pre3 in april … i'd buy it
Feb 22 07:30:53 <dkirker> I want a Pre 3 soooooo bad...! I am going to start saving up now.
Feb 22 07:32:53 <hotdp> i think the pad hardware is ready but the software is not..
Feb 22 07:34:36 <sugardave> is everyone else's wife/girlfriend obsessed with Prince William's upcoming wedding?
Feb 22 07:34:53 <hotdp> no
Feb 22 07:34:54 <hotdp> :D
Feb 22 07:35:00 <sugardave> lucky
Feb 22 07:35:13 <hotdp> we have our own king and queen..
Feb 22 07:35:19 <hotdp> maybe thats why
Feb 22 07:35:45 <sugardave> ah, that might temper it a bit, yes :D
Feb 22 07:35:49 <hotdp> :P
Feb 22 07:36:46 <RagingMind> and we revolted so we don't have to care
Feb 22 07:37:12 <sugardave> I know, yet she does...I quote "It's going to be like the Super Bowl!"
Feb 22 07:37:16 <sugardave> no
Feb 22 07:37:18 <sugardave> no it isn't
Feb 22 07:37:52 <RagingMind> I actually care more about the wedding than the super bowl, and I don't care about the wedding at all
Feb 22 07:38:04 <sugardave> heh
Feb 22 07:38:20 <hotdp> lol
Feb 22 07:38:34 <hotdp> maybe you should not be home that day sugardave
Feb 22 07:38:58 <sugardave> she would die if I happened to be in London that week
Feb 22 07:39:00 <RagingMind> hide in a van down by the river and play on your Pre all day?
Feb 22 07:39:02 <sugardave> hmm
Feb 22 07:39:16 <hotdp> but why is it so good?
Feb 22 07:39:44 <sugardave> I've been led to believe it's a girl fantasy princess thing
Feb 22 07:40:28 <hotdp> i see
Feb 22 07:41:15 <sugardave> maybe it's a certain age group, the ones that were pre-teens/teens when Diana and Charles got married
Feb 22 07:41:20 <sugardave> I don't know
Feb 22 07:41:53 <hotdp> :)
Feb 22 07:42:02 <hotdp> dont use more brainpower on it for me :)
Feb 22 07:42:08 <sugardave> heh
Feb 22 07:42:11 <sugardave> agreed
Feb 22 08:17:31 <ajay> hey folks!
Feb 22 08:21:01 <hotdp> mornings
Feb 22 08:22:53 <ajay> quick question: any good way to access iTMS?
Feb 22 08:35:47 <ajay> well, think me go to bed.. ta!
Feb 22 09:44:53 <roy-pre101> Well, well…
Feb 22 09:45:05 <hotdp> yes thats it
Feb 22 09:45:12 <swisstomcat> http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/276455-webos-2-1-0-rollout-started.html
Feb 22 09:45:32 <hotdp> german only?
Feb 22 09:45:40 <swisstomcat> o2 germany
Feb 22 09:45:53 <hotdp> but why?
Feb 22 09:46:08 <hotdp> i do not understand why its only the german?
Feb 22 09:46:32 <swisstomcat> i have no idea
Feb 22 09:46:43 <swisstomcat> there was no advance information from palm on this
Feb 22 09:46:50 <hotdp> its strange
Feb 22 09:48:20 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 22 09:48:24 <swisstomcat> communication mistakes
Feb 22 09:48:25 <swisstomcat> it seems
Feb 22 09:48:30 <swisstomcat> or a premature release
Feb 22 09:48:43 <hotdp> i dont think it will run smooth
Feb 22 09:48:43 <swisstomcat> 9hours time difference, the palm people in the US are still sleeping
Feb 22 09:50:09 <hotdp> hopfilly :D
Feb 22 09:54:49 <roy-pre101> I need a picture!  Anyone have something appropriate?
Feb 22 09:54:59 <swisstomcat> picture of what?
Feb 22 09:58:21 <roy-pre101> Need a featured image for the article.
Feb 22 09:58:29 <roy-pre101> Wish I had something that showed 2.1.0
Feb 22 09:58:45 <hotdp> ahh
Feb 22 09:58:57 <hotdp> paint?
Feb 22 09:59:02 <hotdp> edit the org number
Feb 22 09:59:39 <swisstomcat> hold on
Feb 22 10:00:54 <swisstomcat> maybe you can find something here
Feb 22 10:00:56 <swisstomcat> http://www.palm.com/us/support/handbooks/pre/webOS_WNWC_de.pdf
Feb 22 10:01:47 <hotdp> nice
Feb 22 10:02:15 <hotdp> hmm
Feb 22 10:02:20 <hotdp> exibition?
Feb 22 10:02:25 <hotdp> So they get it before the Pre2 :(
Feb 22 10:02:30 <roy-pre101> The shot of the doctor running isn't very interesting.
Feb 22 10:02:34 <roy-pre101> It's got the build # and date.
Feb 22 10:03:39 <swisstomcat> isn't or is interesting?
Feb 22 10:04:45 <roy-pre101> isn't.
Feb 22 10:04:57 <roy-pre101> Taking a shot of german exhibition mode.
Feb 22 10:05:03 <roy-pre101> Couldn't think of a better one.
Feb 22 10:06:34 <rwhitby> roy-pre101: meta-doctor support is in the works
Feb 22 10:07:27 <roy-pre101> Excellent
Feb 22 10:11:46 <hotdp> Why do i see Monty burns everytime i see ' Excellent'
Feb 22 10:21:08 <roy-pre101> Dieter is just awake much too early.
Feb 22 10:21:23 <roy-pre101> Took me too long to get my post up.  Ah well.
Feb 22 10:24:51 <swisstomcat> what time is it?
Feb 22 10:39:54 <roy-pre101> 5:39 AM
Feb 22 10:40:00 <roy-pre101> Speak of the devil!
Feb 22 10:40:01 <swisstomcat> wow
Feb 22 10:40:05 <swisstomcat> hey dieter
Feb 22 10:40:26 <swisstomcat> roy-pre101/dieter: you picked the right night so stay awake :)
Feb 22 10:40:36 <swisstomcat> or to get up really early
Feb 22 10:40:38 <roy-pre101> Nah, he probably woke up early.
Feb 22 10:44:00 <swisstomcat> so we have breaking news on twitter,precentral,webosroundup again instead of official communication from palm/hp
Feb 22 10:49:27 <swisstomcat> am i the only one that thinks that this is not good?
Feb 22 10:54:20 <DieterBohn> I'm still on Barcelona time
Feb 22 10:55:50 <swisstomcat> heh
Feb 22 10:55:53 <swisstomcat> good for you
Feb 22 10:57:05 <hotdp> what are you thinking on?
Feb 22 10:58:31 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Feb 22 11:19:43 <kriogen> hm, did someone use ssh tunelling in Windows to browse apps in browser? Tried tunniler and Cygwin like in instructions, but browser didn't find resource
Feb 22 11:20:54 <zbenjamin> is anyone here who knows webos 2.0 more in depth? For what are the Qt libraries used that are preinstalled `?
Feb 22 11:21:14 <zbenjamin> is webos' gui running on top of Qt?
Feb 22 11:23:11 <rwhitby-pre> yes
Feb 22 11:24:08 <zbenjamin> rwhitby-pre: was that for me?
Feb 22 11:24:19 <rwhitby-pre> yes
Feb 22 11:24:48 <zbenjamin> so that means one could write qt apps for the pre?
Feb 22 11:24:54 <zbenjamin> or webos i mean
Feb 22 11:25:13 <zbenjamin> i guess its compiled as embedded qt , with qt window swystem
Feb 22 11:26:29 <rwhitby-pre> we wrote Qt apps back in 1.4.5
Feb 22 11:26:44 <zbenjamin> sadly noone knows that this works ;)
Feb 22 11:26:46 <rwhitby-pre> there are some demos in Preware
Feb 22 11:27:20 <DieterBohn> zbenjamin: sadly, Qt development is probably going to be on the rocks very shortly. ;)
Feb 22 11:27:49 <zbenjamin> DieterBohn: you mean because of nokia using WP7?
Feb 22 11:27:59 <zbenjamin> or because WebOS is dropping it
Feb 22 11:28:51 <DieterBohn> zbenjamin: yeah. Nokia drove Qt evangelism. It's still a a great framework, but I suspect most Qt developers are disillusioned right now
Feb 22 11:29:55 <zbenjamin> well i'm a long time qt dev, but i decided not to be disillusioned , today the android qt port reached first alpha state
Feb 22 11:30:51 <zbenjamin> and if it continues to go like that nokia will soon have the only platform where qt is not running on ;)
Feb 22 11:31:26 <zbenjamin> can someone point me to some informations about qt on webos?
Feb 22 11:31:49 <DieterBohn> zbenjamin: follow the links from here http://www.precentral.net/qt-app-platform-and-running-palm-pre
Feb 22 11:34:28 <hotdp> lol rwhitby-pre your last tweet
Feb 22 11:57:14 <zbenjamin> DieterBohn: ok thats a unofficial port, but it seems webos ships its own copy of qt
Feb 22 11:57:31 <zbenjamin> i wanted to know if its possible to use the already buildin version
Feb 22 11:59:00 <swisstomcat> do you have a webOS device or emulator?
Feb 22 11:59:37 <zbenjamin> http://opensource.palm.com/2.0.0/index.html
Feb 22 11:59:54 <zbenjamin> i tried to install the pdk but i have problems to start the emulator
Feb 22 12:00:33 <swisstomcat> what problems do you have? it's based on virtualbox
Feb 22 12:02:36 <zbenjamin> i get a errorcode E_ACCESSDENIED 0x80070005 component Machine, interface IMachine, callee IUnknown
Feb 22 12:03:19 <rwhitby-pre> DieterBohn: http://bit.ly/webos-210-meta-doctor is where the recipes are going to be developed
Feb 22 12:03:38 <DieterBohn> rodwhitby-pre: watching :)
Feb 22 12:04:10 <zbenjamin> i can run emulator.bat and choose the device, but then its crashing
Feb 22 12:04:39 <swisstomcat> can you try to emulate another OS?
Feb 22 12:04:45 <swisstomcat> just to see if virtualbox is the culprit?
Feb 22 12:04:59 <swisstomcat> oh, hold on
Feb 22 12:05:05 <swisstomcat> which version of virtualbox do you have installed?
Feb 22 12:05:09 <swisstomcat> 4.0?
Feb 22 12:05:25 <zbenjamin> one sec
Feb 22 12:05:51 <zbenjamin> 3.2.8
Feb 22 12:05:59 <swisstomcat> that should work
Feb 22 12:06:01 <swisstomcat> 4.0 doesn't work
Feb 22 12:06:19 <swisstomcat> so, yeah … try another OS in virtualbox (e.g ubuntu) or try another machine
Feb 22 12:06:28 <zbenjamin> already tried to run a machine from within virtualbox, it worked
Feb 22 12:06:42 <swisstomcat> hmm
Feb 22 12:07:04 <dkirker> hi DieterBohn, nice to see you around here.
Feb 22 12:07:51 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: do i maybe need to install some vbos sdk or something like that?
Feb 22 12:08:06 <swisstomcat> you installed the SKD, right?
Feb 22 12:08:13 <swisstomcat> and that installed you the virtual machines
Feb 22 12:08:43 <zbenjamin> no i cannot see the virtal machines in the vbox gui
Feb 22 12:08:50 <zbenjamin> i installed the PDK
Feb 22 12:09:00 <swisstomcat> oh
Feb 22 12:09:03 <swisstomcat> you need the SDK
Feb 22 12:09:32 <swisstomcat> where did you download the pdk?
Feb 22 12:09:40 <swisstomcat> skd/pdk are bundled as far as i remember
Feb 22 12:09:46 <hotdp> yer
Feb 22 12:10:02 <zbenjamin> from here http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1970&Itemid=20
Feb 22 12:10:25 <zbenjamin> yeah it installed a SDK folder maybe i should just remove and try to install the SDK alone
Feb 22 12:11:37 <swisstomcat> but this page says it's sdk/pdk bundled
Feb 22 12:12:01 <swisstomcat> the first time you start emulator.bat, it goes ahead and creates the virtual machine for you
Feb 22 12:12:05 <swisstomcat> that seems to crash
Feb 22 12:12:34 <zbenjamin> yeah i try to reinstall maybe that will work
Feb 22 12:32:32 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: hm no luck
Feb 22 12:32:54 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: can it be a problem that i have a x64 version of virtualbox but a x32 of sdk?
Feb 22 12:33:44 <swisstomcat> maybe
Feb 22 12:34:04 <zbenjamin> anyway if i can get it running what did you want to tell me?
Feb 22 12:34:06 <swisstomcat> i think the document shows both a 32bit and 64bit version of the sdk
Feb 22 12:34:28 <swisstomcat> if you have the emulator, you can start to poke around in webOS for qt stuff
Feb 22 12:34:32 <swisstomcat> you have root
Feb 22 12:35:31 <zbenjamin> yeah thats true ;)
Feb 22 12:35:43 <zbenjamin> can i maybe import the machine by hand?
Feb 22 12:36:35 <swisstomcat> maybe you can find out by looking at emulator.bat?
Feb 22 12:36:45 <zbenjamin> hm do i need vmware or virtualbox? because the sdk ships a vmdk and thats imho vmware
Feb 22 12:37:06 <rwhitby-pre> zbenjamin: are you following the installation instructions on developer.palm.com ?
Feb 22 12:37:54 <swisstomcat> virtualbox
Feb 22 12:38:10 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1970&Itemid=20
Feb 22 12:38:18 <swisstomcat> should have everything
Feb 22 12:38:44 <zbenjamin> the only thing i did not install was the code sourcery toolchain yet
Feb 22 12:38:52 <swisstomcat> that's for the PDK
Feb 22 12:38:56 <swisstomcat> cross-compiler
Feb 22 12:39:08 <rwhitby-pre> start at http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1788&Itemid=30
Feb 22 12:39:09 <zbenjamin> yeah it should not affect the sdk emulator
Feb 22 12:42:15 <zbenjamin> rwhitby-pre: done all that, when starting the palm-emulator.bat i can choose a emulator but cannot continue
Feb 22 12:42:22 <zbenjamin> because it crashes with the error
Feb 22 12:43:11 <swisstomcat> seems to crash when creating the virtual machine
Feb 22 12:43:13 <swisstomcat> at first start
Feb 22 12:46:58 <swisstomcat> any clues in emulator.bat?
Feb 22 12:47:22 <zbenjamin> i tried to use the vmdk from the emulators directory directly
Feb 22 12:47:32 <zbenjamin> no luck it seems the machine just halts
Feb 22 12:48:24 <zbenjamin> ok next try is to install a complete x64 env
Feb 22 12:49:51 <swisstomcat> yeah, good plan
Feb 22 13:01:50 * idontwan2know feels like a kid on christmas
Feb 22 13:13:56 <Boopop> Hellooo
Feb 22 13:13:58 <zbenjamin> ok reboot done, now installing sdk 64bit
Feb 22 13:14:20 <Boopop> So...it's just a matter of time until a vers of 2.1 is released for my Pre -, right? :3
Feb 22 13:14:34 <zbenjamin> 2.1?
Feb 22 13:14:40 <Boopop> webos 2.1
Feb 22 13:14:53 <zbenjamin> wheres the news  ? ;)
Feb 22 13:15:23 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: meh also did not work :(
Feb 22 13:15:27 <Boopop> zbenjamin: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/39997023469969408
Feb 22 13:15:52 <zbenjamin> ;)
Feb 22 13:16:04 <Boopop> Hope he's right! XD
Feb 22 13:16:10 <Boopop> Or she xD
Feb 22 13:16:17 <idw2k> 2.1 will not be released for your Pre -, however, instructions on how to use metadoctor to install 2.1 on your Pre - will likely be available soon
Feb 22 13:16:22 <zbenjamin> the emulator hates me
Feb 22 13:16:26 <Boopop> Yeah that's what I meant idw2k
Feb 22 13:16:40 <Boopop> Granted that isn't quite what I said
Feb 22 13:16:44 <idw2k> gotcha
Feb 22 13:19:43 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: what exact version of vbox do you use?
Feb 22 13:20:06 <CTLAdvance> lol not only did they screw their base by telling us there would be absolutely no update, they then went ahead and released it for O2... awesome
Feb 22 13:20:45 <CTLAdvance> 99.99% of original pre- users not on o2 will never metadoctor this... so its still fail.
Feb 22 13:20:46 <CTLAdvance> wow
Feb 22 13:21:00 <rwhitby-pre> DieterBohn: ping
Feb 22 13:21:09 <zbenjamin> o2? didn't 02 only have the pre?
Feb 22 13:21:11 <rwhitby-pre> DieterBohn: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/0/06/Sprint_Pre_webOS_2.1.0.png
Feb 22 13:21:35 <idontwan2know> CTLAdvance: pretty obvious that it's the carriers that are holding back 2.1, not Palm
Feb 22 13:21:36 <hotdp> zbenjamin no they also had pre plus
Feb 22 13:21:41 <hotdp> and pixie
Feb 22 13:21:48 <CTLAdvance> actually I would think it was otherwise
Feb 22 13:21:54 <zbenjamin> ah yeah pre plus
Feb 22 13:21:56 <CTLAdvance> I think HP would prefer not to launch 2.1
Feb 22 13:22:01 <zbenjamin> still no pre2 available in de
Feb 22 13:22:01 <CTLAdvance> carriers are prob forcing them
Feb 22 13:22:08 <hotdp> rwhitby-pre how is it running on the sprint?
Feb 22 13:22:11 <zbenjamin> pre3 still takes month'
Feb 22 13:22:31 <idontwan2know> That makes zero sense.
Feb 22 13:22:36 <CTLAdvance> no it doesnt
Feb 22 13:22:51 <CTLAdvance> HO wants to not focus resources on devices which should nebver have been uodated past 1.3
Feb 22 13:22:54 <CTLAdvance> HP*
Feb 22 13:23:09 <CTLAdvance> They want to focus on new devices, like the Pre 3 and Veer
Feb 22 13:23:30 <CTLAdvance> O2 prob said they wouldnt carry devices unless they made right by their user base
Feb 22 13:24:35 <idontwan2know> The doctor was already built by the time the decision was announced. The work was already done.
Feb 22 13:24:36 <CTLAdvance> business wise it makes no sense to continue to support a device which at this point is only costing HP money
Feb 22 13:25:04 <Boopop> So tempted to try updating today
Feb 22 13:25:12 <Boopop> Probably easier to wait a few days, right? xD
Feb 22 13:25:18 <CTLAdvance> Doctors wernt final, and were not finished completely.... The Pre+/- dont even handle it well. A whole bunch of stutter
Feb 22 13:25:32 <CTLAdvance> well maybe by 2/9
Feb 22 13:25:49 <idontwan2know> CTLAdvance: the 2.1 doctor just released was built on february 1st
Feb 22 13:26:02 <CTLAdvance> thats what I just said
Feb 22 13:26:16 <CTLAdvance> they may have been by feb 9th
Feb 22 13:26:19 <rwhitby-pre> it's 2.1.0 final, not a beta.
Feb 22 13:26:27 <idontwan2know> No, it's exactly the opposite of what you said.
Feb 22 13:26:52 <idontwan2know> The release version of the 2.1 doctor for O2 Pre+ was built on February 1st.
Feb 22 13:27:03 <idontwan2know> The work was already done.
Feb 22 13:27:17 <idontwan2know> It would have cost them nothing to release it.
Feb 22 13:27:50 <swisstomcat> strange
Feb 22 13:27:58 <swisstomcat> now we want 2.1 for the pre2
Feb 22 13:28:07 <swisstomcat> zbenjamin: let my check my vbox version
Feb 22 13:28:28 <swisstomcat> zbenjamin: 3.2.12 (mac os x)
Feb 22 13:28:40 <hotdp> hell yer swisstomcat
Feb 22 13:28:52 <hotdp> would like exhibition D_
Feb 22 13:29:07 <zbenjamin> ok i have 3.2.8 maybe thats a problem
Feb 22 13:29:10 <swisstomcat> i would like bugs fixes
Feb 22 13:29:15 <swisstomcat> like google calendar
Feb 22 13:29:24 <hotdp> yer
Feb 22 13:29:30 <hotdp> but are they fixed in 2.1 ?
Feb 22 13:30:26 <swisstomcat> apparently
Feb 22 13:30:32 <swisstomcat> from what i heard
Feb 22 13:30:42 <hotdp> uhh nice
Feb 22 13:30:43 <swisstomcat> the pre2 of josh was running 2.1 at mwc
Feb 22 13:30:45 <hotdp> then i want
Feb 22 13:31:52 <Boopop> Guess we won't be getting webOS 3 on Pre Plus etc
Feb 22 13:31:54 <Boopop> lol! :P
Feb 22 13:32:24 <hotdp> swisstomcat: then it can't be long
Feb 22 13:32:53 <swisstomcat> yeah, i hope so
Feb 22 13:33:01 <swisstomcat> followed by the public 2.x SDK i hope
Feb 22 13:33:06 <hotdp> haha
Feb 22 13:33:09 <hotdp> that will NEVER happen
Feb 22 13:33:19 <hotdp> it is like duke nukem forever
Feb 22 13:33:28 <zbenjamin> hey the duke will be released soon
Feb 22 13:33:31 <hotdp> 2.0 will be released out of nda in like 9 years
Feb 22 13:35:47 <Boopop> So this vers 2.1 has exhibition mode?
Feb 22 13:35:58 <hotdp> looks like it in the documentation
Feb 22 13:36:03 <Boopop> Very nice :)
Feb 22 13:36:03 <swisstomcat> yeah, i think so
Feb 22 13:36:38 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: the vbos version was the problem
Feb 22 13:36:43 <Boopop> Time to go I believe!
Feb 22 13:36:44 <Boopop> bye for now
Feb 22 13:36:46 * zbenjamin dances
Feb 22 13:36:53 <swisstomcat> working?
Feb 22 13:36:57 <hotdp> bye
Feb 22 13:37:02 <zbenjamin> booting ;)
Feb 22 13:37:11 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 22 13:37:42 <CTLAdvance> One thing that was also noted was that Palm was changing their structure for the OS versions so this version may fail to connect to your profile / catalog down the road. Hopefully this wasnt release by mistake
Feb 22 13:37:50 <CTLAdvance> do we have a statement from Palm yet?
Feb 22 13:38:03 <swisstomcat> they won't up for another 1-2 hours
Feb 22 13:38:13 <swisstomcat> west-coast
Feb 22 13:40:29 <zbenjamin> how can i access the system?
Feb 22 13:41:18 <swisstomcat> putty
Feb 22 13:41:26 <swisstomcat> port 5522
Feb 22 13:46:11 <zbenjamin> nice ;)
Feb 22 13:46:34 <swisstomcat> works?
Feb 22 13:46:38 <zbenjamin> how cani minimize apps in the emulator? ;)
Feb 22 13:46:41 <zbenjamin> yeah works
Feb 22 13:46:43 <swisstomcat> escape
Feb 22 13:47:22 <Boopop> Anyone have any idea if the palm profile issues with this 2.1 release will be able to be fixed?
Feb 22 13:47:46 <swisstomcat> what issues?
Feb 22 13:48:25 <Boopop> "Note that profile problems are to be expected, since the combination of non-ROW carriers and webOS 2.1.0 is not one that the profile server would be set up to recognise, so you get a webOS version of 9.9.9 in palm.com/palmprofile as a result."
Feb 22 13:48:25 <CTLAdvance> Boopop prob the same way they fixed the pre2
Feb 22 13:48:37 <Boopop> The Pre 2 needed fixing? 0.o
Feb 22 13:49:01 <CTLAdvance> Yes, on sprint your device needs to look like its running 1.4.5 in order for it to access the app catalog properly
Feb 22 13:49:02 <Boopop> Haven't been keeping up with it seeing as I have no intention of buying one
Feb 22 13:49:12 <Boopop> Aah I see
Feb 22 13:49:15 <CTLAdvance> Pre2 on sprint
Feb 22 13:49:23 <CTLAdvance> which was custom
Feb 22 13:49:29 <Boopop> ah right :)
Feb 22 13:49:29 <CTLAdvance> Pre2 on Vzw should be fine
Feb 22 13:50:05 <Boopop> if it looks like it's 1.4.5 then it'd have problems getting 2.x apps from the catalog though wouldn't it?
Feb 22 13:50:13 <CTLAdvance> You will have to metadoctor the doctor to represent the os as 1.4.5 even though its 2.1
Feb 22 13:51:10 <Boopop> Or would it work normally?
Feb 22 13:54:06 <zbenjamin> can not find the qt libs :(
Feb 22 13:58:09 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: do you know if the qt libs need to be installed first?
Feb 22 13:58:24 <swisstomcat> no, sorry
Feb 22 13:58:34 <swisstomcat> did you check the precentral article?
Feb 22 14:00:54 <zbenjamin> i know that article already but for me it seemed that it was dead
Feb 22 14:01:12 <zbenjamin> also it stated the qebos ui must be killed to run qt apps , not what i want ;)
Feb 22 14:01:19 <swisstomcat> really?
Feb 22 14:01:28 <swisstomcat> not true as far as i remember from testing
Feb 22 14:01:59 <swisstomcat> maybe you should apply for early access to the the latest 2.x sdk+emulator
Feb 22 14:02:00 <CTLAdvance> also dont think qt apps will be allowed in the app catalog
Feb 22 14:02:05 <swisstomcat> nope
Feb 22 14:02:48 <zbenjamin> CTLAdvance: i thought apps created with the PDK can ship their own libs?
Feb 22 14:03:05 <zbenjamin> i could run Qt on top of SDL or OpenGl
Feb 22 14:03:07 <CTLAdvance> ah yeah I guess if you pack everything together in a pdk app
Feb 22 14:03:22 <CTLAdvance> If it requires any changes to a users device though
Feb 22 14:03:33 <CTLAdvance> that would not be, but packing it would be ok
Feb 22 14:03:39 <swisstomcat> i didn't really like the look of qt apps on webOS
Feb 22 14:03:45 <swisstomcat> but maybe that can be improved
Feb 22 14:03:49 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: just a matter of theming
Feb 22 14:03:54 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 22 14:04:05 <zbenjamin> qt has its own backends for stuff like that
Feb 22 14:05:03 <swisstomcat> looking forward to some cool apps, even if it's only through homebrew
Feb 22 14:05:54 <zbenjamin> ok it seems like i have to implement my own backend to run qt on webos
Feb 22 14:06:20 <zbenjamin> i hoped for a ready solution :(
Feb 22 14:08:58 <funkatron> hey, remember how everything before the Pre2 was too slow for webOS 2.x?
Feb 22 14:09:07 <zbenjamin> i maybe need to contact that gui who ported it
Feb 22 14:09:35 <Boopop> funkatron: What about it?
Feb 22 14:11:44 <zbenjamin> now i remember what the problem was, the last commit to that repos was almost a year ago
Feb 22 14:21:43 <zbenjamin> swisstomcat: erm this is webOS2.0 in the sdk ?
Feb 22 14:23:42 <hotdp> shhh
Feb 22 14:23:44 <swisstomcat> 1.4.5
Feb 22 14:23:45 <hotdp> thats nda
Feb 22 14:23:51 <swisstomcat> unless you are in early access
Feb 22 14:24:01 <zbenjamin> ok no wonder that there is no qt on it
Feb 22 14:24:14 <swisstomcat> i thought there were qt parts
Feb 22 14:24:19 <zbenjamin> i think qt is first used in 2.0
Feb 22 14:24:29 <swisstomcat> you can apply for early access by writing to pdc@palm.com
Feb 22 14:25:01 <zbenjamin> when should it be released?
Feb 22 14:26:24 <swisstomcat> public release .. soon i hope
Feb 22 14:26:38 <swisstomcat> very soon
Feb 22 14:26:54 <hotdp> when duke nukem is comming
Feb 22 14:29:46 <Boopop> hotdp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever
Feb 22 14:29:52 <Boopop> Early may apparantly
Feb 22 14:31:19 <hotdp> then it is :D
Feb 22 14:36:06 <CTLAdvance> May 3rd USA, May 6th the rest of the world
Feb 22 14:38:05 <zbenjamin> lol i really would be scared releasing a game that everyone needed to wait 12 years for
Feb 22 14:40:02 <hotdp> eyr
Feb 22 15:21:47 <leiru_web> hi
Feb 22 15:22:47 <swisstomcat> hi
Feb 22 15:23:09 <leiru_web> filled out the exel sheet for the pre2 dev device on sunday.
Feb 22 15:23:19 <swisstomcat> cool
Feb 22 15:23:30 <leiru_web> anyone got an answer or pre2 yet?
Feb 22 15:23:43 <swisstomcat> i think some received their device already
Feb 22 15:23:53 <swisstomcat> but it usually takes a week or so
Feb 22 15:25:20 <leiru_web> do they write a mail if one is qualified? i am checking my mailbox whole day :)
Feb 22 15:25:50 <swisstomcat> not sure
Feb 22 15:25:57 <swisstomcat> did they ask for a delivery address?
Feb 22 15:26:12 <summatusmentis> have the openly stated what "qualified developers" means?
Feb 22 15:30:11 <sugardave> no, and they won't
Feb 22 15:31:04 <summatusmentis> oh, they want the wiggle room?
Feb 22 15:31:14 <leiru_web> they asking in the sheet for "mailing address"
Feb 22 15:31:27 <leiru_web> +are
Feb 22 15:32:18 <leiru_web> but as sending from usa to germany can take long - i would like to know if i am qualified!
Feb 22 15:32:45 <leiru_web> so i was asking myself, if they write a email back, if one is qualified
Feb 22 15:33:05 <swisstomcat> i don't think they do
Feb 22 15:33:30 <leiru_web> maybe just, if one is not?
Feb 22 15:36:05 <sugardave> iirc, for the pre plus giveaway, there was a spreadsheet to fill out, then I eventually got a confirmation message that I would be receiving a pre plus
Feb 22 15:36:29 <sugardave> I got my spreadsheet for the 2 on Saturday
Feb 22 15:36:43 <darklajid> Two things: Do you know if the Pre2 is US only? The text seems to imply that, but..
Feb 22 15:37:04 <darklajid> And did anyone in here update the Pre Plus to 2.1? Feedback?
Feb 22 15:37:23 <sugardave> hmm, unknown...I'd think it would be at least available to the supported developer countries
Feb 22 15:38:05 <swisstomcat> there are two versions of the pre2 .. eu and us
Feb 22 15:38:11 <swisstomcat> not sure what they send out, eu hopefully
Feb 22 15:41:44 <darklajid> Can you link to the sheet?
Feb 22 15:43:57 <darklajid> All information I find point to US only. Like http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2011/02/08/palm-giving-100-pre2-devices-free-to-developers/
Feb 22 15:44:21 <leiru_web> sugardave: me too
Feb 22 15:45:11 <darklajid> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2129 says 'in the United States'. Seems that I'm out of luck.
Feb 22 15:45:32 <halfhalo> what is this 2.1 shizniz
Feb 22 15:45:51 <leiru_web> sugardave: you got no answer yet, too?
Feb 22 15:46:48 <darklajid> halfhalo: Don't know. palm.com offers webdoctor images for 2.1 ..
Feb 22 15:47:14 <darklajid> halfhalo: Just downloaded it. I guess I'll give it a try..
Feb 22 15:50:26 <RagingMind> darklajid, for pre2?
Feb 22 15:50:31 <darklajid> pre plus
Feb 22 15:51:14 <darklajid> RagingMind: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/22/webos-2-1-for-the-pre-plus-now-available-to-download-for-o2-germ/
Feb 22 15:51:17 <swisstomcat> chuq has woken up
Feb 22 15:54:40 <joebpre> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/webos-2-1-drops-for-o2-palm-pre-plus/ .. laid to rest or what ?
Feb 22 15:55:19 * RagingMind dances
Feb 22 15:55:30 <RagingMind> *sings* I'm SO excited!
Feb 22 15:55:41 <joebpre> please be good news
Feb 22 15:56:10 <halfhalo> silly people in europe getting the update first
Feb 22 15:56:14 <darklajid> I got it here, would love to install it. But have USB troubles on this laptop.
Feb 22 15:56:29 <darklajid> halfhalo: Careful. You got the developer devices instead :)
Feb 22 15:56:35 <swisstomcat> yeah
Feb 22 15:56:48 <swisstomcat> we are left out enough anyway
Feb 22 15:56:56 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo: don't be upset about the versions... remember Mexico :P
Feb 22 15:57:04 <NuttyBunny> (Telcel)
Feb 22 15:57:06 <darklajid> Hmm. Might be a good reason to call it a day early and flash it at home.
Feb 22 15:57:10 <halfhalo> heh
Feb 22 15:58:19 <darklajid> Actually everything is a good reason to call it a day this early, but today I might have a somewhat decent one :)
Feb 22 15:58:24 <joebpre> its rainin webos2 hallelujah its rainin updates :-)
Feb 22 15:58:24 <oil> well flashing in public will get you arrested
Feb 22 15:58:28 <joebpre> good song btw
Feb 22 15:58:51 <darklajid> oil: Depends on local laws, I guess
Feb 22 15:58:55 <halfhalo> only if you get caught
Feb 22 15:58:56 <joebpre> oil or flogged?
Feb 22 15:59:41 <arctic-ice> anyone believes that one day webOS 2.1 will work on Pixis too?
Feb 22 15:59:49 <halfhalo> heh
Feb 22 16:00:52 <swisstomcat> pixi is dead
Feb 22 16:00:58 <swisstomcat> i guess
Feb 22 16:01:20 <Workenhaven> i didn't like the pixi cause the one ATT offered didn't allow sideloading or homebrew
Feb 22 16:01:42 <halfhalo> what are you talking about...
Feb 22 16:01:51 <halfhalo> they all did
Feb 22 16:02:40 <darklajid> I wonder how they'd disable it anyway. If you can connect via novacom I suppose you can break it all the way you want?
Feb 22 16:04:00 <arctic-ice> mine works fine - with 849MHz :) But it's sad they didn't announce a successor. I like the formfactor!!
Feb 22 16:04:18 <PatrickC_Pre> PALM PIXI FTW
Feb 22 16:05:18 <darklajid> arctic-ice: No successor? I thought they have one now?
Feb 22 16:05:28 <NuttyBunny> Veer
Feb 22 16:05:42 <arctic-ice> no - thats a slider too...
Feb 22 16:05:50 <NuttyBunny> not the same form factor, but it's the "small" one
Feb 22 16:06:00 <darklajid> Right. In spirit, it's the next pixi imo
Feb 22 16:06:54 <arctic-ice> thats right - but it's to thick for my taste. The veer is 15mm the pixi only 10mm
Feb 22 16:07:18 <arctic-ice> *too
Feb 22 16:07:49 <NuttyBunny> As long as it fits inside my pocket with some sort of cover (the Pre sleeve), I'm set :)
Feb 22 16:08:36 <swisstomcat> samsung galaxy s ii is 8.4mm thick, 4.3inch screen, 1650mAh battery, dual-core proc … just saying :)
Feb 22 16:09:10 <arctic-ice> sad... but true... :'(
Feb 22 16:09:43 <swisstomcat> too bad it runs only android
Feb 22 16:11:09 <darklajid> I arrived from android land only a couple of days ago and I'm totally sold.
Feb 22 16:12:12 <darklajid> Comparing this pre plus with my htc hero (which is kinda fair in my book, should've release dates that are not too far apart. Maybe even in favor of the hero) it's a huge difference in latency/speed (nvm the polish)
Feb 22 16:14:56 <PatrickC_Pre> anyone here play with enyo yet?
Feb 22 16:16:46 <swisstomcat> if we were we are not allowed to talk about it
Feb 22 16:16:48 <swisstomcat> NDA
Feb 22 16:17:48 <swisstomcat> bbl
Feb 22 16:18:22 <darklajid> Moving home to flash this beast. Bwahaha. This is a neat present..
Feb 22 16:18:31 <PatrickC_Pre> what?
Feb 22 16:19:04 <darklajid> The 2.1 update.
Feb 22 16:19:13 <darklajid> Or - what are you referring to?
Feb 22 16:19:29 <PatrickC_Pre> I didn't know what you were talking about
Feb 22 16:19:32 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 22 16:19:47 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm on sprint :/, no 2.0/2.1 for me :'(
Feb 22 16:20:47 <darklajid> Since I assume that the devices are largely the same, I don't think you'll be left out.
Feb 22 16:21:12 <arctic-ice> just wait a few more days. It'll come "in the coming days" ;)
Feb 22 16:21:14 <darklajid> Right now it seems that the carriers have to agree (the website's wording seems to imply that your carrier has to sign off the update)
Feb 22 16:21:56 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre: you'll be able to use a metadoctor'd version once that's stabilized
Feb 22 16:22:22 <PatrickC_Pre> what about pixi love
Feb 22 16:23:16 <destinal> to be honest I doubt we'll ever see pixi 2.x since all the 2.x doctors we have probably use armv7 optimized binaries
Feb 22 16:23:39 <sugardave> you guys seem to think the US carriers will allow it...Sprint will not
Feb 22 16:23:56 <destinal> sugardave: I'm saying do it yourself
Feb 22 16:24:15 <sugardave> sure, I could do that...or I could pay someone to Sprintify my 2 :D
Feb 22 16:24:20 <destinal> others may think Sprint will make one, but they won't
Feb 22 16:25:47 <PatrickC_Pre> http://m.precentral.net/webos-2-1-hacked-existing-us-pre-and-pre-plus-phones-hold-now-dear-user
Feb 22 16:26:36 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre: that's what we're talking about, it's not quite ready for production use yet, but it'll get there
Feb 22 16:26:50 <PatrickC_Pre> I hope it gets official
Feb 22 16:27:22 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre:  it would be nice but I wouldn't hold my breath
Feb 22 16:27:36 <PatrickC_Pre> I know
Feb 22 16:44:29 <PatrickC_Pre> I JUST TOOK STUFF OFF THE USB DRIVE WITHOUT GOING INTO USB MODE!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 22 16:47:44 <nebula> ow, my ears.
Feb 22 16:48:15 <PatrickC_Pre> sorry
Feb 22 16:48:18 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Feb 22 16:54:54 <darklajid> Flashing already. Harhar!
Feb 22 16:55:35 <qillerneu> Hm, got Pre2 without a sim, in dev mode. Browser via wifi works fine
Feb 22 16:55:49 <qillerneu> But palm://com.palm.connectionmanager/getstatus always returns that I'm offline
Feb 22 16:55:57 <qillerneu> airline mode on or off
Feb 22 16:56:07 <qillerneu> is it supposed to be like that?
Feb 22 17:05:56 <leiru_web> yeah
Feb 22 17:07:01 <leiru_web> 1 hr till closing time
Feb 22 17:07:29 <darklajid> Yay. 2.1 welcome screen. That went smooth so far.
Feb 22 17:11:04 <Josef_B> darklajid you in US ?
Feb 22 17:11:22 <darklajid> Nope
Feb 22 17:11:36 <darklajid> Funny. Trying to sync with my palm account fails..
Feb 22 17:11:54 <darklajid> And the account lists on the website that I'm using os version 9.9.9 on my device..
Feb 22 17:12:19 <sugardave> GO BACK TO THE FUTURE, FUTURE MAN!
Feb 22 17:12:52 <Josef_B> lol
Feb 22 17:13:37 <PatrickC_Pre> hay sugardave
Feb 22 17:13:39 <hotdp> lol
Feb 22 17:14:34 <haeffb_pre> but leave your future phone
Feb 22 17:15:06 <darklajid> Hmm.. This link seems to discuss the same issue. http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-3.html
Feb 22 17:15:31 <darklajid> But - I'm using an official release from palm.com .. weird.
Feb 22 17:17:45 <PatrickC_Pre> once it is 9.9.9 there is no going back ;)
Feb 22 17:17:59 <Josef_B> create a new profile
Feb 22 17:18:02 <Josef_B> 0_o
Feb 22 17:18:18 <CTLAdvance> Is everyone in here doing this a noob?
Feb 22 17:18:24 <CTLAdvance> Do they not follow the directions
Feb 22 17:18:35 <Josef_B> CTLAdvance what you mean ?
Feb 22 17:18:36 <CTLAdvance> Did they not see the issues we had with the pre2?
Feb 22 17:18:42 <Josef_B> CTLAdvance everyone is to excited 0_o
Feb 22 17:18:48 <CTLAdvance> Making a webOS 2.1 doctor :)
Feb 22 17:18:59 <darklajid> CTLAdvance: I'm not "doing it".
Feb 22 17:18:59 <CTLAdvance> They should have listened to Rod...
Feb 22 17:19:06 <CTLAdvance> :)
Feb 22 17:19:07 <darklajid> I downloaded it from the palm.com site.
Feb 22 17:19:10 <PatrickC_Pre> people don't pay attention. they just say "OOOOOO..... shiny object"
Feb 22 17:19:14 <darklajid> And followed the instructions there.
Feb 22 17:19:16 <Josef_B> lol
Feb 22 17:19:16 <CTLAdvance> lol
Feb 22 17:20:12 <CTLAdvance> Wow, this is the first time we have had over 100 users in a long while
Feb 22 17:20:32 <hotdp> haha
Feb 22 17:21:02 <CTLAdvance> 110 people in channel, 7 active, activity is only 93% human
Feb 22 17:21:05 <CTLAdvance> very nice
Feb 22 17:21:05 <Josef_B> :P
Feb 22 17:21:47 <PatrickC_Pre>  the files inside the doctor are confusing....
Feb 22 17:21:48 <Loudergood> lol
Feb 22 17:21:49 <CTLAdvance> Android channel is only 5 active users but 451 members, and only 73% of activity is human
Feb 22 17:21:59 <Josef_B> :P
Feb 22 17:22:02 <CTLAdvance> now were at 8 active users
Feb 22 17:22:14 <CTLAdvance> so our community in this channel is better than android by 3 users
Feb 22 17:22:16 <CTLAdvance> ;)
Feb 22 17:22:36 <CTLAdvance> we also contain the most human activity
Feb 22 17:23:01 * Josef_B can't program but is always active
Feb 22 17:23:13 <PatrickC_Pre> what's the best way to go about becoming a patcher?
Feb 22 17:23:23 <PatrickC_Pre> taking files from device, or from doctor?
Feb 22 17:23:34 <leiru_web> hi ctl
Feb 22 17:23:39 <CTLAdvance> hi
Feb 22 17:23:49 * PatrickC_Pre is kinda a programmer, but not much of one :)
Feb 22 17:24:03 <CTLAdvance> our community now has 100% more active users :)
Feb 22 17:24:46 <leiru_web> i'm just flipping around these days - if i am qualified developer or not ... meeh
Feb 22 17:28:38 <PatrickC_Pre> leiru_web: I bet your more qualified then me :p
Feb 22 17:31:50 <leiru_web> I will go home now. 18.30 here
Feb 22 17:33:41 * sugardave is still waffling on whether to take the plants out of the garage.
Feb 22 17:33:56 <sugardave> I just know if I do it, a freak freeze event will occur
Feb 22 17:34:30 <Loudergood> it'd better stay warm down that way for the next week
Feb 22 17:34:40 * Loudergood is flying down to houston tomorrow
Feb 22 17:34:45 <sugardave> I think you're good
Feb 22 17:34:55 <sugardave> work or pleasure?
Feb 22 17:35:50 <Loudergood> wedding, so pleasure I hope ;)
Feb 22 17:36:25 <sugardave> cool, who is getting married?
Feb 22 17:36:46 <Loudergood> two very good friends of mine, my gf is one of the bridesmaids
Feb 22 17:37:18 <hotdp> wedding is always a good party
Feb 22 17:37:46 <sugardave> cool cool
Feb 22 17:37:56 <sugardave> hotdp: unless knives/guns are involved :D
Feb 22 17:38:32 <hotdp> lol
Feb 22 17:38:43 <hotdp> like in the arabic countrys with ak47?
Feb 22 17:38:56 <hotdp> weapons a not legal here:P
Feb 22 17:39:28 <Josef_B> PatrickC_Pre i just want to bypass palmprofile but activate
Feb 22 17:40:00 <PatrickC_Pre> if you bypass the palm-profile, you can't activate
Feb 22 17:40:06 <Josef_B> aw
Feb 22 17:40:07 <Josef_B> that sucks
Feb 22 17:40:17 <sugardave> hotdp: there have been some US weddings that made the news due to people getting stabbed and/or shot
Feb 22 17:40:19 <Loudergood> that's not exactly true..
Feb 22 17:40:23 <sugardave> usually in the southern states
Feb 22 17:40:32 <RagingMind> when I first got my pre there were lots of people in here.  more than there were in #webos-internals
Feb 22 17:40:41 <Loudergood> yeah I don't know what it is about the south and guns..
Feb 22 17:40:56 <sugardave> gotta have one because the other guy does
Feb 22 17:41:03 <OrithmaFelus> :P
Feb 22 17:41:08 <sugardave> I don't carry, but I have home protection
Feb 22 17:41:24 <sugardave> also, I don't get out of the house much :)
Feb 22 17:41:29 <OrithmaFelus> lol
Feb 22 17:42:04 <Loudergood> yeah, open and concealed carry are both legal without permits here, but I don't know anyone who does so regularly
Feb 22 17:42:18 <sugardave> wow, where do you live?
Feb 22 17:42:27 <OrithmaFelus> Same here in AZ
Feb 22 17:42:46 <Loudergood> VT
Feb 22 17:42:49 <sugardave> nice
Feb 22 17:42:53 <sugardave> I had no idea
Feb 22 17:43:10 <haeffb_pre> open carry legal in MO, but conceal requires permit
Feb 22 17:43:20 <Josef_B> my customer is telling me he has naked and big busted women .. he fails to hear that at the beginging of the call this call can be recorded for quality assurance
Feb 22 17:43:30 <sugardave> yeah, I think it's legal to open carry here and permit for concealed
Feb 22 17:43:45 <Loudergood> Josef_B: lol
Feb 22 17:43:52 <haeffb_pre> conceal in vehicle is OK w/o permit
Feb 22 17:44:07 <sugardave> Josef_B: are you running a complaint line or an "escort" service?
Feb 22 17:44:23 <Loudergood> tell him to share
Feb 22 17:44:53 <Loudergood> if your boss questions you about that, tell him you were "building a rapport with the customer"
Feb 22 17:45:04 <OrithmaFelus> lol
Feb 22 17:45:44 <sugardave> heh
Feb 22 17:46:25 <darklajid> Hmm.. Created a new account. Still 9.9.9 on the site, but it let me configure/activate the phone.
Feb 22 17:54:06 <PatrickC_Pre> Voice Memos is back!
Feb 22 17:56:22 <Josef_B> wow #webos-internals is live an active
Feb 22 17:56:42 <Josef_B> lol sugardave
Feb 22 17:59:00 <RagingMind> anyone on 2.1 test navit yet?  the location data permissions bug fixed?
Feb 22 17:59:25 <PatrickC_Pre> I couldn't get navit to work on 1.4.5,
Feb 22 17:59:54 <RagingMind> works great for me... as well as can be expected in the US at the moment
Feb 22 18:03:32 <darklajid> []]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]'\
Feb 22 18:04:00 <darklajid> gnaa.. Sry, cat..
Feb 22 18:11:58 <PatrickC_Pre>  how do I download a patch to mod the path that it mods
Feb 22 18:24:10 <darklajid> Hmm.. Nice. So Palm _did_ upload a broken doctor.
Feb 22 18:24:38 <hotdp> no
Feb 22 18:24:45 <darklajid> no?
Feb 22 18:25:12 <darklajid> According to this they did: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-7.html
Feb 22 19:09:06 <A83> Anyone knows if you can share a project in Ares between two different developers?
Feb 22 19:10:44 <PatrickC_Pre> I believe
Feb 22 19:11:03 <SineOt> you'd have to share the project via SVN or mercurial, and then use that to pull the project in to Ares
Feb 22 19:11:12 <SineOt> but that's easy, because you -are- using versioning, right? :]
Feb 22 19:18:07 <kfife> Just now playing with a Palm Pre2.  Wow.  It's a whole new world!
Feb 22 19:23:26 <hotdp> kfife: compared to?
Feb 22 19:24:19 <swisstomcat> evening
Feb 22 19:26:41 <Josef_B> HP just made all its followers happy :P
Feb 22 19:26:56 <Josef_B> aka stalkers
Feb 22 19:26:59 <hotdp> hey swisstomcat
Feb 22 19:27:10 <kfife> hotdp: Pre Plus
Feb 22 19:27:13 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp
Feb 22 19:27:57 <Draecos> wheres chuq i need to beat him
Feb 22 19:28:04 <Draecos> wheres 2.1 for my pre2!!!
Feb 22 19:28:08 <hotdp> :P
Feb 22 19:28:10 <Draecos> barstewards
Feb 22 19:28:14 <hotdp> people complain all the time
Feb 22 19:28:16 <swisstomcat> yeah :)
Feb 22 19:28:19 <swisstomcat> never happy
Feb 22 19:28:21 <Draecos> hehe
Feb 22 19:28:24 <nebula> ugh
Feb 22 19:28:25 <swisstomcat> now you have 2.1 for the pre plus
Feb 22 19:28:27 <swisstomcat> be happy :)
Feb 22 19:28:29 <nebula> patience grasshoppers
Feb 22 19:28:31 <Draecos> lol
Feb 22 19:28:32 <Josef_B> lol
Feb 22 19:28:36 <Draecos> but i dont HAVE a pre+
Feb 22 19:28:41 <Draecos> i bought a pre2
Feb 22 19:28:42 <Draecos> mofos
Feb 22 19:28:42 <swisstomcat> me neither
Feb 22 19:28:44 <Draecos> :D
Feb 22 19:28:46 <Josef_B> lol Draecos
Feb 22 19:28:47 <swisstomcat> i have a pre2 too
Feb 22 19:29:04 <Draecos> im not bothered as I sound, just thought it was amusing
Feb 22 19:29:07 <SineOt> ugh... What was the keyboard command to get USB disk mode enabled on a Pre+? Sym-Opt-U?
Feb 22 19:29:13 <Draecos> "here is 2.1 for pre+"
Feb 22 19:29:13 <Josef_B> i wonder how many pre owners who defected to android .. are now coming back ?
Feb 22 19:29:24 <Draecos> "no 2.1 for pre2 owners"
Feb 22 19:29:26 <Draecos> (yet)
Feb 22 19:29:43 <Draecos> sounds about right SineOt
Feb 22 19:29:55 <Draecos> right, now ive had my moan im off for food
Feb 22 19:29:57 <Draecos> bbl
Feb 22 19:31:34 <SineOt> ugh, annoying
Feb 22 19:31:50 <MetaView> hi, backup-time
Feb 22 19:31:57 <SineOt> I know this is a working data cable, since it can boot my Nook into USB drive mode, but my Pre+ is just like, "WELP NOPE"
Feb 22 19:32:26 <swisstomcat> hallo metaview
Feb 22 19:33:24 <MetaView> hi swisstomcat
Feb 22 19:34:47 <A83> SineOt: Thanks! Yes we use Git.
Feb 22 19:37:49 <A83> SineOt: Thanks! Yes we use Git.
Feb 22 19:39:07 <SineOt> good lord, Xcode has bloomed to 3.5GB download :C
Feb 22 19:39:58 <kfife> LDAP for synergy?  Was a NO for 1.x
Feb 22 19:40:12 <kfife> Exists for 2.x
Feb 22 19:40:14 <kfife> ?
Feb 22 19:42:18 <darklajid> SineOt: USB 2.0 port? Powered? Doesn't work on my laptop's ports (old) or on a hub (old) here. Works on the 'good' ports
Feb 22 19:42:55 <SineOt> darklajid: got it sorted out... Needed a reboot. Apparently hibernate on this system does funky things to the USB ports c_c;
Feb 22 19:44:24 <MetaView> where is the link to the doctor?
Feb 22 19:45:12 <leiru> re
Feb 22 19:48:28 <mcal> Hi all. Newb question about PDK. Is this the right place for it? Ta.
Feb 22 19:49:08 <ajay_> hows the excitement today? ;^)
Feb 22 19:49:53 <MetaView> mcal: just ask
Feb 22 19:50:06 <MetaView> can someone tell me how I find the link to the 2.1 doctor?
Feb 22 19:50:43 <ajay_> howdy adora!
Feb 22 19:50:53 <ajay_> MetaView: These are not the doctors you are looking for.. ;^)
Feb 22 19:51:06 <MetaView> why not?
Feb 22 19:51:17 <MetaView> I need to original 2.1 for German PrePlus
Feb 22 19:51:22 <darklajid> MetaView: On palm.com are releases - but they _seem_ to be flawed
Feb 22 19:51:36 <MetaView> anyway, I give it a try
Feb 22 19:51:44 <MetaView> my Pre needs a doctor anyhow
Feb 22 19:51:53 <darklajid> MetaView: German Pre+ here.. Installed it. I would wait a couple hours ;)
Feb 22 19:51:55 <MetaView> palm.com is very slow...
Feb 22 19:52:07 <MetaView> why? because of the profile?
Feb 22 19:52:08 <darklajid> I can give you my mirror if you want.
Feb 22 19:52:26 <darklajid> That's one thing (but I don't care much). But no apps
Feb 22 19:52:28 <MetaView> thx, but don't tell anyone ;)
Feb 22 19:53:31 <mcal> thanks, MetaView - PDK question: what are the memory limits on these devices? Sorry a bit generic, but we are looking at some text rendering which requires font loading, and some fonts can go up to 15+Mb in RAM.
Feb 22 19:53:59 <MetaView> run top
Feb 22 19:54:07 <MetaView> you can have 15mb
Feb 22 19:54:47 <MetaView> but users might see Too many Cards error
Feb 22 19:54:51 <SineOt> Pixi: 192mb total, Pre-: 256mb total, Pre+: 512mb total, Pre2: 512mb total, Pre3: 512mb total, Veer: 512mb total
Feb 22 19:55:06 <mcal> thanks, folks.
Feb 22 19:55:16 <mcal> what about max concurrent processes and threads
Feb 22 19:55:24 <mcal> (thank you, of course)
Feb 22 19:55:25 <MetaView> you have to monitor the mem consumption with top and then adjust your appinfo.json accordingly
Feb 22 19:55:43 <ajay_> SineOt: hey did you hear back from Sly?
Feb 22 19:55:44 <MetaView> don't know, normal linux limits
Feb 22 19:55:52 <SineOt> ajay_: nope, dead silent
Feb 22 19:55:54 <mcal> OK thanks, MetaView
Feb 22 19:56:47 <mcal> relatedly, can anyone point to a good reference online outside of the hp site for PDK dev? I am looking at a C++ porting job and need to know what is going to break. Again, apologies for generic newb Q
Feb 22 19:57:35 <ajay_> mcal: I'd _much_ rather have folks asking "Generic newb q"'s like yours!!
Feb 22 19:58:22 <mcal> ajay_ :)
Feb 22 19:58:59 <mcal> SineOT: thanks for those stats.
Feb 22 19:59:04 <ajay_> mcal: Unfortunately I don't have any good references.. :( I'm not sure what you mean by what is going to break though?
Feb 22 20:00:08 <ajay_> afaik there's not good refs on what will break.. (but I haven't severely researched) I know I'm hitting a PDK bug but nobody seems able to help me..
Feb 22 20:00:47 <mcal> ajay_: I want to do a research/reading exercise to try and spot pitfalls before actual compilation. although the latter might be the best option...
Feb 22 20:01:01 <mcal> sorry to hear you're stuck. what is the error, btw?
Feb 22 20:01:50 <ajay_> mcal: TONS of graphic artifacts...
Feb 22 20:02:15 <MetaView> mcal: I've ported Crimson fields without any issue
Feb 22 20:02:19 <mcal> ouch. is this around image loading or are you drawing primitives?
Feb 22 20:02:43 <mcal> MetaView: cool!
Feb 22 20:03:00 <MetaView> only one bug: SDL_Update can not work with parts
Feb 22 20:03:07 <MetaView> only full screen update
Feb 22 20:04:06 <MetaView> I ported it before to PalmOS, that was a mess and a pain
Feb 22 20:04:19 <mcal> Good old PalmOS :)
Feb 22 20:04:25 <ajay_> MetaView: Huh i wonder if that's my issue
Feb 22 20:04:34 <MetaView> try it, set all coords to 0
Feb 22 20:06:02 <ajay_> mcal: i'm not sure (in terms of your terminology), but it happens when elements of the gui are used
Feb 22 20:06:40 <mcal> I see. thanks.
Feb 22 20:10:00 <mcal> out of interest, what is your peak memory use for this particular app? I'd love to know what is considered normal and well-behaved
Feb 22 20:10:15 <mcal> so I can set our own design goals
Feb 22 20:18:40 <MetaView> Göteborg!
Feb 22 20:29:28 <ajay_> Dieter's hands-on of 2.1 is way better than Topolsky's hands-on of the Pre3 (or Veer, whatever it was :)
Feb 22 20:31:17 <darklajid> 2.1 problems (app catalog, profile) supposedly fixed by palm
Feb 22 20:31:38 <darklajid> Works for me, i.e. apps are available again
Feb 22 20:31:59 <ajay_> darklajid: you're in europe? and you can purchase apps?
Feb 22 20:32:49 <darklajid> ajay_: I'm in Europe and previously non-listed apps are available again now. Payed apps can be accessed in the app catalog as well. I didn't buy something just to give it a try though..
Feb 22 20:50:54 <A83> MetaView: Lätt Göteborg!
Feb 22 21:38:55 <Tibfib> howdy everyone!
Feb 22 21:39:07 <Tibfib> so can we set 2.0 as minimum now?
Feb 22 21:39:19 <solix> ay tidfib, howsya?
Feb 22 21:39:27 <Tibfib> doing good, just got home
Feb 22 21:39:36 <solix> :)
Feb 22 21:40:32 <sugardave> yes, you can set 2.0 minimum
Feb 22 21:41:36 <Tibfib> sweet
Feb 22 21:47:52 <leiru> tibfib! :)
Feb 22 21:48:02 <Tibfib> leiru! howdy!
Feb 22 21:48:14 <leiru> Tibfib: how you got your name (tibfib)?
Feb 22 21:48:49 <Tibfib> I broke my tibia and fibula in 4th grade
Feb 22 21:49:25 <leiru> outch
Feb 22 21:49:51 <leiru> but the nickname is easy to remember and short. like a nickname! :D
Feb 22 21:50:26 <Tibfib> Heh. It wasn't a bad break.
Feb 22 21:50:47 <Tibfib> thanks!
Feb 22 21:50:51 <rwhitby> what's a 2.0-only app we can use for testing stuff?
Feb 22 21:50:57 <rwhitby> (from app catalog)
Feb 22 21:51:15 <rwhitby> 2.0-only paid app
Feb 22 21:51:18 <Tibfib> argggggggggggggggggggggggg palm
Feb 22 21:51:28 <Tibfib> still getting rejected trying to submit updates to koto
Feb 22 21:51:44 <leiru> music player
Feb 22 21:51:53 <leiru> @ rwhitby
Feb 22 21:52:06 <Tibfib> that doesn't have its min v at 2.0 afaik
Feb 22 21:52:23 <Tibfib> rwhitby: do you mean one with a minimum version of 2.0?
Feb 22 21:52:27 <leiru> http://www.precentral.net/music-player-remix-hits-official-app-catalog-your-webos-2-listening-pleasure
Feb 22 21:52:40 <leiru> first line:
Feb 22 21:52:41 <leiru> Longtime homebrew favorite Music Player Remix has officially hit the App Catalog for those of us running webOS 2.
Feb 22 21:53:09 <maik> i'm having a lot of trouble with some javascript.  is there a good facility for tracing/debugging so i can see where exactly it's stopping?
Feb 22 21:53:45 <SineOt> maik: the Ares Debugger can be run stand alone
Feb 22 21:53:57 <Tibfib> leiru: It doesn't have 2.0 set as the minimum version.
Feb 22 21:53:59 <maik> i'm not using Ares, does that matter?
Feb 22 21:54:00 <SineOt> and provides a great tool to debug and trace just what's going on
Feb 22 21:54:02 <SineOt> nope!
Feb 22 21:54:06 <SineOt> you can use it stand alone
Feb 22 21:54:12 <maik> cool
Feb 22 21:54:45 <leiru> Tibfib: maybe i am not up to date, but if one's now submitting, he can choose min version to 2.0?
Feb 22 21:54:58 <Tibfib> NOW he can
Feb 22 21:55:04 <Tibfib> starting today I believe
Feb 22 21:55:09 <leiru> oi
Feb 22 21:59:33 <Tibfib> yay... finally got a response from palm saying they are looking into it
Feb 22 22:00:01 <maik> hrm
Feb 22 22:00:08 <maik> SineOt: the ares debugger on the site or something else?
Feb 22 22:01:11 <leiru> me, this waiting, if i am qualified or not drives me nuts.
Feb 22 22:01:18 <leiru> me=meeh
Feb 22 22:02:04 <leiru> aren't they write emails back if a dev is qualified or not?
Feb 22 22:02:14 <Tibfib> they will let you know
Feb 22 22:03:01 <SineOt> it's uh, off the top of my head so probably wrong
Feb 22 22:03:01 <SineOt> ares.palm.com/AresDebugger I think/
Feb 22 22:03:18 <leiru> tomorrow i will check my mailbox again. feeled 1000 times /day. :)
Feb 22 22:03:27 <haeffb_pre> http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug ?
Feb 22 22:03:36 <Tibfib> yeah
Feb 22 22:04:07 <SineOt> leiru: they've got a TON of emails, so expect it to take a while to hear back
Feb 22 22:10:41 <CTLAdvance> maik whats teh JS doing to you? Any error codes?
Feb 22 22:10:56 <maik> hah, there's an exception that isn't being processed
Feb 22 22:10:58 <maik> SineOt: i could kiss you
Feb 22 22:11:21 <SineOt> :*
Feb 22 22:14:07 <Josef_B>  wierd!
Feb 22 22:15:20 <CTLAdvance> Josef_B dont be so closed minded, maik and SineOT are people too, I mean c'mon man... ;)
Feb 22 22:17:04 <Josef_B> :P
Feb 22 22:20:20 <CTLAdvance> If you havent been lately and you have special powers, you may want to look at your secret account.
Feb 22 22:21:21 <Tibfib> speshul?
Feb 22 22:21:36 <SineOt> my god...  it's full of stars...
Feb 22 22:21:43 * SineOt goes on a 20 minute acid trip
Feb 22 22:23:12 <CTLAdvance> can you see he color of music as performed in binary
Feb 22 22:24:32 <Josef_B> guys on palm.com/palmprofile dou you have to register it on your device ?
Feb 22 22:26:23 <CTLAdvance> no
Feb 22 22:26:35 <CTLAdvance> your device registers itself on activation
Feb 22 22:26:46 <CTLAdvance> based on the profile you sign in with
Feb 22 22:31:17 <PatrickC_Pixi> hay
Feb 22 22:37:08 <b0bben> expand your tubes precentral, can't get into the forums
Feb 22 22:39:23 <leiru> oneRock, kall: nice to see other german webOS devs or users!
Feb 22 22:39:59 <b0bben> hey, i'm almost german! atleast when it comes to webos :)
Feb 22 22:40:17 <oneRock> NICE TO SEE OTHER GERMAN WEBOS DEVS OR USERS
Feb 22 22:40:24 <oneRock> HRHR :D
Feb 22 22:40:26 <b0bben> ;)
Feb 22 22:40:33 <leiru> :(
Feb 22 22:40:37 <MetaView> hm
Feb 22 22:40:52 <oneRock> Ah, all here ..
Feb 22 22:40:54 <oneRock> nice
Feb 22 22:41:37 <b0bben> disclaimer: i'm not german, but with a german pre and an app in german appcatalog :P
Feb 22 22:41:39 <MetaView> going to flash now... oh, oh, oh
Feb 22 22:41:45 <leiru> hrm
Feb 22 22:41:49 <b0bben> MetaView: pre- ?
Feb 22 22:41:50 <leiru> bbl
Feb 22 22:41:50 <MetaView> b0bben: Göteborg ftw
Feb 22 22:41:56 <MetaView> pre-, yes
Feb 22 22:41:58 <b0bben> oh yeah
Feb 22 22:41:58 <oneRock> b0bben, that's enough :)
Feb 22 22:42:02 <leiru> alder, dänemark, alder
Feb 22 22:42:03 <leiru> ;)
Feb 22 22:42:13 <leiru> okay, time to leave now.
Feb 22 22:42:18 <oneRock> gn8 leiru
Feb 22 22:42:22 <b0bben> sweet, gonna do that as soon as the forum DB recovers
Feb 22 22:42:23 <MetaView> n8
Feb 22 22:42:48 <b0bben> MetaView: was the meta-doctor a painful step?
Feb 22 22:42:56 <MetaView> no
Feb 22 22:43:05 <b0bben> hey, anyone have url to meta-doctor page? that was outside precentral methinks
Feb 22 22:43:12 <MetaView> did it already on beginning of the year
Feb 22 22:43:16 <MetaView> it's quite easy
Feb 22 22:43:16 <b0bben> MetaView: awesome, thx
Feb 22 22:43:27 <MetaView> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor
Feb 22 22:43:40 <MetaView> I use it on windows, cygwin
Feb 22 22:43:52 <MetaView> and I'm going to write a blog entry about it...
Feb 22 22:43:58 <MetaView> but not tonight
Feb 22 22:44:09 <MetaView> I reached 8%
Feb 22 22:44:29 <MetaView> the backups took hours
Feb 22 22:44:34 <MetaView> the whole evening
Feb 22 22:44:38 <leiru> damn its sweden!
Feb 22 22:44:42 <leiru> *shame*
Feb 22 22:44:45 <leiru> bye! :)
Feb 22 22:44:48 <oneRock> lol
Feb 22 22:44:52 <oneRock> see ya
Feb 22 22:44:53 <MetaView> Göteborg is supposed to be sweden
Feb 22 22:44:58 <MetaView> cu
Feb 22 22:45:02 <hellman> how does an original pre handle flash video?
Feb 22 22:45:13 <MetaView> no flash in the doctor, AFAIK
Feb 22 22:45:19 <oneRock> no flash for Pre-, Pre+
Feb 22 22:45:26 <hellman> oh
Feb 22 22:45:57 <oneRock> IMHO not yet!?
Feb 22 22:46:06 <oneRock> we should wait
Feb 22 22:46:08 <oneRock> :)
Feb 22 22:46:14 <hellman> i almost forgot that i have a pre at home. will flash whatever to it
Feb 22 22:46:50 <MetaView> I guess, no flash at all
Feb 22 22:46:53 <MetaView> too slow
Feb 22 22:47:09 <MetaView> maybe
Feb 22 22:47:31 <MetaView> it's updating... oh well
Feb 22 22:49:10 <hellman> i think it is too slow
Feb 22 22:49:49 <oneRock_> n8
Feb 22 22:49:55 <MetaView> n8
Feb 22 22:50:22 <hellman> wife has en epic 4g and i can notice slight jerks in flash video and that phone is fast. plays smooth enough though
Feb 22 22:55:25 <Josef_B> hellman #android
Feb 22 22:55:27 <Josef_B> :P
Feb 22 22:56:08 <hellman> i don't really care to join the channel
Feb 22 22:56:30 <hellman> i connect to irc only when bored
Feb 22 22:57:08 <Josef_B> thanks
Feb 22 22:57:14 <Josef_B> i work from home hellman i love irc
Feb 22 22:57:14 <Josef_B> :D
Feb 22 23:02:01 <hellman> plus webos was basically got me into smart phones
Feb 22 23:02:03 <b0bben> hey MetaView , what did you have to do to make meta-doctor see the jar?
Feb 22 23:02:16 <b0bben> make DEVICE=pre all-wr isn't cutting it for me
Feb 22 23:02:44 <b0bben> renaming to webosdoctorp100ueu-wr-1.4.5.jar ?
Feb 22 23:02:55 <b0bben> that can't be right...or is it?
Feb 22 23:03:09 <ajay2> hellman: me too!
Feb 22 23:03:44 <hellman> had a winmo phone before i got the pre but never really used it for much
Feb 22 23:04:13 <hellman> how is voice dialing on the Pre?
Feb 22 23:06:45 <MetaView> b0bben#: rename it
Feb 22 23:06:53 <MetaView> it is right
Feb 22 23:07:03 <b0bben> MetaView: would this work? make DEVICE=preplus CARRIER=wr REMOVE_MODEL_CHECK=1 REMOVE_CARRIER_CHECK=1
Feb 22 23:07:14 <MetaView> I altered the makefile
Feb 22 23:07:23 <b0bben> rod did that for a sprint pre-
Feb 22 23:07:37 <MetaView> DEVICE = pre CARRIER = wr
Feb 22 23:07:49 <MetaView> and both removes
Feb 22 23:07:59 <MetaView> ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE = 1
Feb 22 23:07:59 <MetaView> AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE  = 1
Feb 22 23:07:59 <MetaView> ENABLE_TESTING_FEEDS  = 1
Feb 22 23:08:12 <b0bben> yeah, have those set
Feb 22 23:08:17 <MetaView> I just skiped first use app, there was no profile
Feb 22 23:08:20 <MetaView> at the end
Feb 22 23:08:26 <MetaView> remaking
Feb 22 23:08:30 <b0bben> just wondering if it's suppose to doctor as a preplus or pre-
Feb 22 23:09:16 <ajay2> b0bben: all info is in the thread, i believe?
Feb 22 23:09:48 <b0bben> ajay2: forums was down for me, just went up again, so i'm reading
Feb 22 23:10:29 <ajay2> b0bben: ah! heh.. i wonder if it went down because of all this! heh.. (seems like feb9th woulda been the better day to go down for news tho.. maybe!)
Feb 22 23:11:02 <b0bben> yeah, def.
Feb 22 23:11:55 <SineOt> whoa... the icon for a Pre in Media Sync mode is awesome
Feb 22 23:12:01 <SineOt> why doesn't it use that for USB mode too? :/
Feb 22 23:13:03 <ajay2> SineOt: media sync mode?
Feb 22 23:13:55 <MetaView> ajay2: you need to enable it or did it once before
Feb 22 23:14:23 <ajay2> MetaView: I thought that was the ipod-faking thing?
Feb 22 23:14:26 <haeffb_pre> what does it media sync to?
Feb 22 23:14:32 <ajay2> which i thought was discontinued?
Feb 22 23:14:34 <SineOt> used to sync to iTunes
Feb 22 23:14:35 <SineOt> and it is
Feb 22 23:14:38 <sugardave> my 2 only charges or usb modes
Feb 22 23:14:44 <sugardave> it doesn't sync
Feb 22 23:14:46 <SineOt> but you can reenable it in Device Info (dunno why you'd bother)
Feb 22 23:14:56 <SineOt> but on OSX at least, it gets a sweet icon
Feb 22 23:15:00 <MetaView> and you can download an older itunes version
Feb 22 23:15:01 <ajay2> SineOt: you run an old ver of iTunes then?
Feb 22 23:15:23 <SineOt> no, I boot it into media sync just so I can get the icon again after I doctor lol
Feb 22 23:15:28 <ajay2> SineOt: is there any other benefits, besides sweet icon? ;^)
Feb 22 23:15:39 <SineOt> not really
Feb 22 23:15:46 <SineOt> but it's a pretty sweet icon
Feb 22 23:15:49 <ajay2> haha.. i bet the default icon could be changed..
Feb 22 23:15:58 <ajay2> if it's as sweet as you say, many would be interested.. :)
Feb 22 23:18:30 <destinal> lol, think dieter was trying to make a point launching all these apps at once while talking about each one?
Feb 22 23:19:44 <SineOt> http://media.precentral.net/resources/images/000/083/222/large/touchpad-agenda.png < man... gotta say, that's hot
Feb 22 23:24:48 <rwhitby> b0bben: #webos-internals for meta-doctor discussion
Feb 22 23:25:11 <b0bben> rwhitby: got it working, restoring now
Feb 22 23:25:17 <b0bben> thx a bunch, you guys rock
Feb 22 23:32:37 <Josef_B> i will just create a new email
Feb 22 23:32:39 <Josef_B> dosen't matter
Feb 22 23:34:26 <b0bben> this HP logo is really ugly...look at the borders on this thing...256 color BMP? wtf
Feb 22 23:47:07 <b0bben> damn, this thing is smooth as butter!
Feb 22 23:47:15 <b0bben> can't believe it's NOT butter!
Feb 22 23:47:34 <pandora--> what is?
Feb 22 23:50:52 <solix> 2.0 on preplus? :)
Feb 22 23:56:55 <solix> hey funkatron. how ya doing today.
Feb 22 23:57:30 <funkatron> hola
Feb 23 00:01:54 <rwhitby> funkatron: you're mean to Lisa
Feb 23 00:03:28 <funkatron> hahaha
Feb 23 00:03:33 <funkatron> she knows I kid because I love
Feb 23 00:03:48 <Adora> we just play that way in public
Feb 23 00:04:01 <Adora> he knows who the top is in this relationship
Feb 23 00:04:09 <solix> hahaha
Feb 23 00:04:20 <sugardave> lol
Feb 23 00:04:26 <PatrickC_Pixi> what? lol
Feb 23 00:06:07 * funkatron cues up Bend Over Boyfriend
Feb 23 00:07:35 <PatrickC_Pixi> what is going on around here lol
Feb 23 00:08:15 <solix> umm, dont ask, dont tell.. :)  (please).. haha
Feb 23 00:08:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok lol
Feb 23 00:08:35 <PatrickC_Pixi> I don't wanna know......
Feb 23 00:08:47 <funkatron> ah, innocent minds.
Feb 23 00:08:52 <solix> heh
Feb 23 00:08:55 <PatrickC_Pixi> yep
Feb 23 00:08:55 <SineOt> hah
Feb 23 00:08:59 <solix> where>>??
Feb 23 00:09:01 <PatrickC_Pixi> I came in too late lol
Feb 23 00:09:07 <solix> ouch
Feb 23 00:09:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> ouch what?
Feb 23 00:09:43 <solix> nuttin
Feb 23 00:09:59 <PatrickC_Pixi> lol
Feb 23 00:10:05 <solix> :)
Feb 23 00:10:06 <PatrickC_Pixi> again... I don't wanna know ;)
Feb 23 00:10:41 * solix puts PatrickC_Pixi on the "do not want to know" list. there. happy? :)
Feb 23 00:10:53 <PatrickC_Pixi> yep
Feb 23 00:10:57 <solix> cool
Feb 23 00:11:39 * sugardave was going to make popcorn.
Feb 23 00:11:47 <solix> ahaa
Feb 23 00:15:16 <PatrickC_Pixi> I want popcorn
Feb 23 00:31:18 <vigilant> hey
Feb 23 01:21:16 * sugardave is watching a show on Smithsonian HD about moon landing denial.
Feb 23 01:22:07 <Loudergood> is the aldrin punch on video?
Feb 23 01:24:34 <ajay> re/yo
Feb 23 01:24:36 <solix_away> dark side of the moon.. all our base belong to them. :)
Feb 23 01:24:58 <solix_away> hey ajax
Feb 23 01:25:12 <sugardave> Loudergood: I don't know...
Feb 23 01:33:23 <solix> just for the "record" i shall not mistype/see AJAY as afore typed aja*... my apologies.. :)
Feb 23 01:53:44 <Loudergood> wow... http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/02/everything-that-can-go-wrong-with-windows-phone-7-update-does.ars
Feb 23 01:59:57 <Tibfib> hmm, have they talked about music player remix yet on the palmcast?
Feb 23 02:01:27 <rwhitby> no
Feb 23 02:01:37 <rwhitby> all about #feb9 so far
Feb 23 02:02:05 <Tibfib> thanks
Feb 23 02:30:33 <SuperDan311> Hey guys... I am curious if there are any developers out there that would be interested in helping me out in my quest to make a simple newsletter app?
Feb 23 02:35:31 <solix> SuperDan311 what continent you at?
Feb 23 02:40:38 <haeffb_> what sort of newsletter?
Feb 23 02:46:08 <SuperDan311> I am in the US
Feb 23 02:47:47 <SuperDan311> I am a field territory rep. for HP Palm and I make a HP webOS monthly newsletter that contains webOS tips & tricks, Apps Picks, and news... and I would like to take it to another level by making it into an app/web app
Feb 23 02:49:05 <haeffb_> cool. Are you wanting to use Ares, or make a straight mojo app? Or use that new framework?
Feb 23 02:49:11 <SuperDan311> but unfortunately I have very limited code knowledge... basically simple HTML is about it... I have been trying to educate my self on javascript, css, etc.. but I am more of a hands on/visual learner...
Feb 23 02:50:11 <scoinva> We need some YouTube Palm programming videos
Feb 23 02:51:15 <SuperDan311> I have played around in Ares... and it is cool... but I still am too much a noob to do much of anything... as for the framework?  Ultimately it doesn't matter, though ENYO I assume will be the new standard...  At least that is what I believe they (HP) has publicly stated
Feb 23 02:51:22 <oil> lol @ programming videos
Feb 23 02:51:49 <oil> "oh, that didn't work"... 5 mins of looking though code... "oops, guess i forgot a semicolon!"
Feb 23 02:51:59 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 23 02:56:06 <qacat> good luck using enyo and getting it to someone who can use it
Feb 23 02:56:21 <SuperDan311> ok... so youtube code videos are a joke... clearly... but i was simply stating that trying to learn all that stuff from all the sources available is all most too much to handle
Feb 23 02:56:57 <qacat> its a big learning curve, even as easy as it is.
Feb 23 02:57:04 <SuperDan311> ARES is good to go... MOJO too, as I said the framework is not a big deal?
Feb 23 02:57:10 <haeffb_> it's not too much. It's a lot, but it's not too much.
Feb 23 02:57:22 <qacat> I started with the tutorial on dev.palm.com
Feb 23 02:57:44 <SuperDan311> It is... I mean from what I know already I can tell that webOS programing is "easy" but only if you really understand all the technology within it
Feb 23 02:57:58 <SuperDan311> did it...
Feb 23 02:58:21 <SuperDan311> but other than make the flicker search app it was of little use...
Feb 23 02:58:37 <SuperDan311> though a great example on how easy it is to make an app using ares
Feb 23 02:59:06 <Tibfib> oil: there, spacebar pause/play added
Feb 23 02:59:07 <qacat> trouble with enyo dev is that it'll only good for devices that support it--pre2--thats not yet in the US outside of some devs. and only outside the US for a month or two
Feb 23 02:59:13 <SuperDan311> heck how do you just have a "scene" pull info from an external website?
Feb 23 02:59:18 <oil> Tibfib: FTW
Feb 23 02:59:36 <Tibfib> now if I could submit an update I'd push it..
Feb 23 02:59:53 <oil> when i move to pre2, ill start using it daily and give you more feedback :)
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