**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 27 02:59:57 2011
Feb 27 03:03:06 <Xuzz> mattsmcnulty: yum, their food is awesome
Feb 27 03:03:18 <mattsmcnulty> sure is
Feb 27 03:05:15 <Xuzz> Marinated Hawaiian Tuna “Poke” with Fried Wonton Chips $12.50
Feb 27 03:05:23 <Xuzz> IIRC that was really good.
Feb 27 03:05:39 <mattsmcnulty> sure is
Feb 27 03:05:41 <mattsmcnulty> I ordered that
Feb 27 03:05:51 <Xuzz> cool
Feb 27 03:10:04 <destinal> mattsmcnulty: I guess I'm lucky I haven't gotten around to learning enyo.. except, well, I guess it depends on how long it will be until we can distribute enyo apps.   right now it's kind of a catch-22
Feb 27 03:10:15 <destinal> err haven't gotten around to learning mojo that is
Feb 27 03:10:17 <mattsmcnulty> it wont be that long
Feb 27 03:10:27 <sugardave> do tell....
Feb 27 03:10:39 <destinal> mattsmcnulty: good to hear, I won't bother learning mojo then :)
Feb 27 03:11:00 <mattsmcnulty> that's all you get
Feb 27 03:11:11 <mattsmcnulty> summer ;-)
Feb 27 03:11:41 <destinal> mattsmcnulty: can you say whether we can use enyo for phone apps when the touchpad comes out?
Feb 27 03:11:45 <sugardave> it's not even spring yet
Feb 27 03:11:49 <chpwn> hmm. Guess I'll be sending a few emails to pdc@palm.com when my Pre2 arrives :)
Feb 27 03:12:00 <mattsmcnulty> destinal: no I can not say that
Feb 27 03:12:09 <haeffb> interesting... pre- 2 has an actdate of 6/19/09
Feb 27 03:12:15 <mattsmcnulty> but it would obviously be one way to clean up the story for devs :-)
Feb 27 03:12:19 <destinal> mattsmcnulty: oh well, had to try :)
Feb 27 03:12:30 <Tibfib> haeffb: hmm, is that the pre2? or is that from the pre-?
Feb 27 03:12:37 <haeffb> pre- #2
Feb 27 03:12:46 <Tibfib> oh. gotcha
Feb 27 03:12:51 <haeffb> pre- #1 can't find wifi networks
Feb 27 03:13:10 <haeffb> maybe I didn't reconnect the wifi antenna correctly
Feb 27 03:13:31 <mattsmcnulty> it would be a very good idea for devs if we can get enyo out for 1.x plus asap
Feb 27 03:13:47 <haeffb> mattsmcnulty: agree!
Feb 27 03:13:51 <Tibfib> +1
Feb 27 03:14:10 <mattsmcnulty> I will say that learning mojo doesn't make a ton of sense to me
Feb 27 03:14:38 <destinal> mattsmcnulty: yeah, would rather avoid learning things I'll have to unlearn / relearn :)
Feb 27 03:14:41 <mattsmcnulty> it would also be a very good idea for devs if they could write apps in enyo and distribute them to other platforms
Feb 27 03:14:53 <Tibfib> yes it would
Feb 27 03:15:23 <mattsmcnulty> if you listen to me on feb9 it is almost like I am trying to say that and it was changed late in the story
Feb 27 03:15:23 <haeffb> agree!
Feb 27 03:15:24 <mattsmcnulty> who knows
Feb 27 03:15:34 <mattsmcnulty> almost :-)
Feb 27 03:16:02 <haeffb> ....jeopard theme plays while we wait until..."summer"...
Feb 27 03:16:07 <haeffb> jeopardy
Feb 27 03:16:28 <mattsmcnulty> I would expect more news on this before summer
Feb 27 03:17:10 <chpwn> There's something slightly scary about the idea of enyo on other platforms though. There's the benefit of it bringing more developers for a cross-platform framework, but you lose the uniqueness of webOS. Would be interesting, though!
Feb 27 03:17:11 <haeffb> perhaps, but I expected to be able to buy a Pre3 Feb 10... :)
Feb 27 03:17:42 <sugardave> Geo-party!
Feb 27 03:17:44 <mattsmcnulty> leo let a few people down
Feb 27 03:18:08 <mattsmcnulty> chpwn: I would say you are right if you are talking about using a 3rd party framework across devices
Feb 27 03:18:15 <mattsmcnulty> if it is a webos framework, maybe not
Feb 27 03:18:53 <mattsmcnulty> we shall see
Feb 27 03:19:14 <chpwn> mattsmcnulty: I mean, if enyo ran on (say) Android and webOS and iOS, it'd be the obvious choice since it would be a) powerful b) cross-platform
Feb 27 03:19:27 <mattsmcnulty> chpwn: you check out the early access forum?
Feb 27 03:19:33 <chpwn> But then it is no longer a benefit of webOS, since you wouldn't even need webOS to use it.
Feb 27 03:19:36 <mattsmcnulty> because devs there have been going nuts since 2/10
Feb 27 03:19:39 <mattsmcnulty> installing on everything
Feb 27 03:19:40 <chpwn> mattsmcnulty: I'm not in the early access program.
Feb 27 03:19:45 <mattsmcnulty> apply
Feb 27 03:19:49 <chpwn> I will :)
Feb 27 03:19:51 <Tibfib> why not?
Feb 27 03:19:58 <Tibfib> there's no reason not to :)
Feb 27 03:20:05 <mattsmcnulty> it is a benefit to webos if there are a ton of apps
Feb 27 03:20:10 <chpwn> I dont have a webOS device.
Feb 27 03:20:12 <mattsmcnulty> having a x-platform story likely helps that
Feb 27 03:20:23 <mattsmcnulty> chpwn: doesn't matter. apply
Feb 27 03:20:45 <Tibfib> what the heck. why isn't this "index"'d.
Feb 27 03:21:11 <chpwn> mattsmcnulty: i will :) and I'm getting a pre2 next week from the free device program so i can really get started
Feb 27 03:21:22 <chpwn> (I was going to wait to apply, but i guess I'll do that now :p)
Feb 27 03:21:35 <mattsmcnulty> nah, do it now and start developing now in the browser
Feb 27 03:22:05 <mattsmcnulty> it is now my job to make sure you guys are happy :-)
Feb 27 03:22:24 <sugardave> good luck
Feb 27 03:22:31 <haeffb> touchpads for everyone!!!
Feb 27 03:22:39 <Tibfib> yeah!
Feb 27 03:22:42 <sugardave> heh
Feb 27 03:22:46 <chpwn> also: is the "2.0 early access" and "enyo early access" the same thing?
Feb 27 03:22:46 <haeffb> well, at least for me, Tibfib and sugardave
Feb 27 03:22:55 <haeffb> we'll then make sure everyone else is happy
Feb 27 03:23:03 <mattsmcnulty> ha
Feb 27 03:23:09 <mattsmcnulty> early access is early access
Feb 27 03:23:15 <chpwn> oh, cool
Feb 27 03:23:15 * Tibfib is willing to do that
Feb 27 03:23:20 * chpwn writes email.
Feb 27 03:23:21 <mattsmcnulty> it wasn't my job before but is now
Feb 27 03:23:31 <mattsmcnulty> say "mcnulty said to email to get in"
Feb 27 03:23:32 <sugardave> yeah, I'm down
Feb 27 03:23:40 <mattsmcnulty> should help grease the wheels
Feb 27 03:24:03 <haeffb> ok, I think I'm ready hardware-wise to sprintify this pre2
Feb 27 03:24:13 <haeffb> now for the software parts.
Feb 27 03:24:27 <halfhalo> mattsmcnulty! got the device in time for scale
Feb 27 03:24:37 <halfhalo> thanks!
Feb 27 03:25:01 <mattsmcnulty> halfhalo: my pleasure
Feb 27 03:26:15 <Tibfib> hah. I can't believe I thought this album art setting would work on the first try.
Feb 27 03:26:25 <halfhalo> ok, dinner ime now with the palm peeps here
Feb 27 03:26:44 <mattsmcnulty> any of you hear from richard kerris yet? he's a good dude
Feb 27 03:26:48 <Tibfib> halfhalo: slip something into their water. get the info's
Feb 27 03:26:53 <mattsmcnulty> halfhalo: say hi for me
Feb 27 03:27:02 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: is he the head of dev relations now?
Feb 27 03:27:17 * sugardave hasn't heard from Richard Kerris yet.
Feb 27 03:27:31 <sugardave> DOES THAT MEAN I'M NOT SPECIAL ENOUGH?!?!
Feb 27 03:27:33 <sugardave> :(
Feb 27 03:27:58 <Tibfib> sugardave: I'm not special either
Feb 27 03:28:03 <haeffb> me either
Feb 27 03:28:16 <haeffb> on the other hand, we're all getting free touchpads, so that's nice.
Feb 27 03:28:29 <mattsmcnulty> lol
Feb 27 03:28:44 <Tibfib> yeah, that makes me feel a bit better
Feb 27 03:29:13 <sugardave> agreed
Feb 27 03:29:21 <haeffb> almost "happy"
Feb 27 03:29:31 <mattsmcnulty> I am sure when it is coming out we will have something for devs
Feb 27 03:30:46 <Tibfib> mattsmcnulty: I hope that gets announced before I buy it
Feb 27 03:31:30 <mattsmcnulty> doing laundry. setting aside 'funky tuxedo pants' from feb 9 to dry clean
Feb 27 03:31:35 <sugardave> "Enyo creator fails to deny free TouchPads for developers."
Feb 27 03:31:40 <mattsmcnulty> hee
Feb 27 03:32:09 <mattsmcnulty> creator my ass, that's alllll scott (on my team)
Feb 27 03:32:14 * halfhalo told them hi
Feb 27 03:32:28 <mattsmcnulty> he's the genius behind the visual designer part of ares and enyo
Feb 27 03:32:40 <Tibfib> nice
Feb 27 03:33:12 <mattsmcnulty> and a very good friend
Feb 27 03:34:05 <Tibfib> does he go to the dev days?
Feb 27 03:34:12 <mattsmcnulty> he was with me on stage in NYC
Feb 27 03:34:14 <mattsmcnulty> big dude
Feb 27 03:34:24 <mattsmcnulty> he and I have worked together with a number of other people on my team for a while
Feb 27 03:34:30 <mattsmcnulty> he was the one who did the demos
Feb 27 03:34:30 * Tibfib doesn't remember
Feb 27 03:34:37 <Tibfib> ah, I'll have to look it up later
Feb 27 03:34:50 * Tibfib hopes for austin dev day
Feb 27 03:34:51 * haeffb had too many libations at devdayNYC
Feb 27 03:35:04 <sugardave> sorry, I was looking at the screen and not you guys
Feb 27 03:35:08 <haeffb> barely remember myself being there, much less some big dude
Feb 27 03:35:12 <Tibfib> sugardave: not remember.
Feb 27 03:35:18 <Tibfib> hahaha
Feb 27 03:35:23 <Tibfib> not forgiven*
Feb 27 03:35:25 <mattsmcnulty> oh, I barely remember too
Feb 27 03:35:33 <mattsmcnulty> they made me wait until the last segment of the last day
Feb 27 03:35:33 <Tibfib> I typed what I just had read.. not what I was thinking
Feb 27 03:35:35 <mattsmcnulty> which sucked
Feb 27 03:35:44 <haeffb> should I leave this pre- 2 activated or go back to my original pre- ?
Feb 27 03:36:01 <haeffb> probably go back
Feb 27 03:37:40 <sugardave> I need to start schmoozing Ben and see if he can influence the next Dev Day to be in Austin
Feb 27 03:38:03 <mattsmcnulty> ha
Feb 27 03:38:13 <mattsmcnulty> Ben is on my team so he does what I want! (not really)
Feb 27 03:38:26 <Tibfib> YES. finally got it to work
Feb 27 03:38:29 <mattsmcnulty> ben's good people
Feb 27 03:38:33 <oil> next devday should be in *insert home town*!
Feb 27 03:38:37 <mattsmcnulty> SF
Feb 27 03:39:21 <mattsmcnulty> definitely sf
Feb 27 03:39:21 <Tibfib> sugardave: yess
Feb 27 03:39:30 <mattsmcnulty> who said SF? I second that
Feb 27 03:39:31 <mattsmcnulty> me too
Feb 27 03:39:48 <sugardave> California has already been blessed
Feb 27 03:40:01 <sugardave> so both oceanic coasts...now we need the gulf of mexico area
Feb 27 03:40:03 <Tibfib> we need a midwest one!
Feb 27 03:40:08 <haeffb> midwest!
Feb 27 03:40:11 <Tibfib> (Austin works too)
Feb 27 03:40:19 <haeffb> rick-away: would like Kansas City
Feb 27 03:40:20 <mattsmcnulty> midwest would only be an ok choice in like may or sept
Feb 27 03:40:21 <Tibfib> and it can NOT be beginning of June
Feb 27 03:40:31 <mattsmcnulty> I am in cabo at the end of may though
Feb 27 03:40:39 <haeffb> Sept it is!
Feb 27 03:40:46 <mattsmcnulty> that's too late
Feb 27 03:40:51 <Tibfib> april!
Feb 27 03:41:01 <haeffb> april it is!
Feb 27 03:41:13 <Tibfib> or early may?
Feb 27 03:41:25 * haeffb will go ahead and make reservations. You have a venue yet?
Feb 27 03:43:46 <chpwn> if any palm people are here, do you hate/like/didn't know about my old ProSwitcher app?
Feb 27 03:44:10 <chpwn> (http://rpetri.ch/cydia/proswitcher/)
Feb 27 03:44:50 <mattsmcnulty> didn't know
Feb 27 03:45:15 <mattsmcnulty> hey wait, that reminds me of webos
Feb 27 03:45:32 <chpwn> yeah, it's a clone
Feb 27 03:45:48 <Tibfib> lol
Feb 27 03:46:01 <chpwn> :p
Feb 27 03:49:13 <destinal> chpwn: yeah, I'd heard about that.  nice.
Feb 27 03:49:30 <destinal> chpwn: are you an iOS -> webos convert or working on both at the same time?
Feb 27 03:49:43 <chpwn> destinal: I'm going to try and do both.
Feb 27 03:49:51 <chpwn> although I was Palm OS before I was iOS
Feb 27 03:50:56 <destinal> I have an iphone as well as pre and pre2 but developing for iPhone is kind of painful at times
Feb 27 03:52:03 <destinal> sugardave: we need a Denver devday
Feb 27 03:55:24 <Tibfib> I'd be down for a denver one..
Feb 27 03:56:05 <rwhitby> devdaydownunder
Feb 27 03:58:00 <PatrickC_Pre> well...
Feb 27 03:58:21 <PatrickC_Pre> I got the Pixi replaced today, and will probably have to get this one replaced :/
Feb 27 04:02:13 <sugardave> destinal: I like Denver :)
Feb 27 04:02:32 <PatrickC_Pre> nashville would be better
Feb 27 04:08:59 <PatrickC_Pre> so... what's up?
Feb 27 04:11:27 <PatrickC_Pre> In 1960 there were 16,067 gambling spots in Nevada. By 1999, this number rose to 205,726 slots which would be one slot for every 10 people residing there.
Feb 27 04:12:28 <PatrickC_Pre> and The average Chocolate bar has 8 insect legs in it
Feb 27 04:12:56 <PatrickC_Pre> 5000 useless facts is so funny :p
Feb 27 04:17:53 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre: same could be said for any food you eat.  insect parts and dead skin cells and all kinds of tasty things.  just extra protein :)   we eat probably ~12 insects a year in our sleep too.  yay.    (also yeah that app is awesome :) )
Feb 27 04:18:21 * oil hurls
Feb 27 04:18:35 <PatrickC_Pre> whoever made it made some... how do I say it... bad apps...
Feb 27 04:19:47 <SineOt> Bugs aren't really that bad. :I
Feb 27 04:20:40 <dohtem> Is this not the coolest thing ever?- http://www.whatisblik.com/shop/asteroids
Feb 27 04:21:33 <oil> no?
Feb 27 04:22:31 <dohtem> :(
Feb 27 04:22:48 <PatrickC_Pre> kinda, but its not the "coolest thing ever"
Feb 27 04:22:58 <PatrickC_Pre> the Pre3/TouchPad is :)
Feb 27 04:23:07 <oil> no was not the right answer?
Feb 27 04:23:25 <oil> double negatives?
Feb 27 04:23:42 <oc80z> yea, cant wait
Feb 27 04:24:08 <dohtem> oil, you have succesfully confused me
Feb 27 04:24:15 <PatrickC_Pre> this guy is emailing me telling me that my app doesn't use the LED...
Feb 27 04:24:36 <PatrickC_Pre> and doesn't know what "Version 1.4.5, 2.0.1, or 2.1" is...
Feb 27 04:25:26 <SineOt> then you know he's probably on 1.4.5 :p
Feb 27 04:25:52 <PatrickC_Pre> he is
Feb 27 04:26:00 <PatrickC_Pre> I had to tell him how to find out
Feb 27 04:28:34 <PatrickC_Pre> "What is Preware? Under the Reset Options?"
Feb 27 04:29:01 <Tibfib> Fudge. got a js problem. anyone up for it?
Feb 27 04:29:27 <PatrickC_Pre> I am :p
Feb 27 04:29:31 <SineOt> Tibfib: Probably won't be any help but I'll shoot it aimlessly until something hits
Feb 27 04:32:29 <Tibfib> thanks. so basically, in Koto, the album art of albums/songs/artists is a property of the obj and I have to call a simple function to "extract" it. The function "return"s the album art. The issue is, I'm adding a way for users to pick different artwork and I need to query the database in the "getArtwork" function. but I can't "return" the artwork. I have to use a callback func. But that doesn't
Feb 27 04:32:29 <Tibfib> work very well with lists.
Feb 27 04:32:33 <PatrickC_Pre> I directed him to http://en.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Feb 27 04:32:37 <Tibfib> Any other solutions?
Feb 27 04:33:02 <Tibfib> I currently have the callbackfunc reload the list.
Feb 27 04:33:09 <SineOt> Wait, why are you letting them pick different art?
Feb 27 04:33:14 <Tibfib> koto player
Feb 27 04:33:18 <Tibfib> album art look up
Feb 27 04:33:27 <Tibfib> via google...
Feb 27 04:34:03 <SineOt> yeah, but... that's something that could easily be managed far better on a full PC
Feb 27 04:34:28 <Tibfib> that's not the issue SineOt.
Feb 27 04:36:11 <Tibfib> anyone have any ideas?
Feb 27 04:36:13 <SineOt> nah, I know it's not. It's just my input on it :p
Feb 27 04:38:05 <Tibfib> arggg
Feb 27 04:39:55 <PatrickC_Pre> wish I could help tib, but you saw my coding skillz lol
Feb 27 04:41:49 <Tibfib> thanks
Feb 27 04:42:15 <PatrickC_Pre> how's it comin tib?
Feb 27 04:42:28 <PatrickC_Pre> like, koto lite
Feb 27 04:42:39 <Tibfib> oh. that'd done... waiting on palm so I can submit it
Feb 27 04:42:45 <Tibfib> that's*
Feb 27 04:42:58 <PatrickC_Pre> what you waiting on them for?
Feb 27 04:43:07 <PatrickC_Pre> can't you just submit i?
Feb 27 04:43:15 <PatrickC_Pre> s/i/it/
Feb 27 04:43:16 <Tibfib> something's screwed up and I can't submit it.
Feb 27 04:43:21 <PatrickC_Pre> hmm
Feb 27 04:43:21 <Tibfib> getting rejected.
Feb 27 04:43:24 <PatrickC_Pre> stinks
Feb 27 04:44:19 <PatrickC_Pre> so, I tell this guy about Preware, and he asks "What is Preware? Is it under the Reset Options?"
Feb 27 04:44:33 <sugardave> Tibfib: I am unclear on what you're trying to do
Feb 27 04:44:39 <Tibfib> sugardave: what part?
Feb 27 04:44:52 <PatrickC_Pre> can someone review an app, and not leave an actual review? like only rate it 1 star?
Feb 27 04:45:04 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre: no
Feb 27 04:45:26 <PatrickC_Pre> can you check my Fog Horn app, it looks like someone did it to that one
Feb 27 04:45:39 <Tibfib> kinda busy :)
Feb 27 04:45:43 <PatrickC_Pre> 1 star rating, no reviews
Feb 27 04:45:44 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 27 04:45:50 <PatrickC_Pre> maybe later?
Feb 27 04:45:59 <chpwn> The PDK icon always makes me think "you /can/ use C++ to write your apps, but D="
Feb 27 04:46:11 <sugardave> Tibfib: so, you have some artwork that is arbitrary, but you want to allow users to change it?
Feb 27 04:46:27 <Tibfib> there is the album artwork from the media indexer.
Feb 27 04:46:39 <sugardave> this is an automatic deal?
Feb 27 04:46:41 <Tibfib> which is just a property of the objects
Feb 27 04:46:48 <Tibfib> artist.img or so
Feb 27 04:46:53 <sugardave> okay
Feb 27 04:47:27 <Tibfib> the "img" has to be extracted from extractfs, so I have a simple function to do that
Feb 27 04:47:28 <sugardave> and then what?
Feb 27 04:47:36 <sugardave> okay
Feb 27 04:47:54 <Tibfib> so in list formatters I can say "return this.getAlbumArt(image)"
Feb 27 04:48:14 <sugardave> alright
Feb 27 04:48:30 <Tibfib> but with the option for alternate artwork, I have to query the database.. and therefore can no longer "return" the image
Feb 27 04:48:47 <Tibfib> I have to use a callbackfunc
Feb 27 04:49:01 <sugardave> ah, hmmm, let me think
Feb 27 04:49:09 <Tibfib> make sense though?
Feb 27 04:49:23 <PatrickC_Pre> not to me :p
Feb 27 04:49:23 <sugardave> yeah, you want to return an async result as your formatter value
Feb 27 04:49:33 <Tibfib> how do I do that?
Feb 27 04:50:28 <sugardave> thinking
Feb 27 04:51:24 <Tibfib> I was thinking of having a loop get all the album artwork, then reload the list.
Feb 27 04:52:13 <PatrickC_Pre> sugardave, any meta-doc experience?
Feb 27 04:52:23 <PatrickC_Pre> or tibfib
Feb 27 04:52:28 <Tibfib> nope
Feb 27 04:52:30 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 27 04:52:33 <sugardave> not really, no
Feb 27 04:52:37 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 27 04:53:00 <PatrickC_Pre> someone is trying to do something with it and oil, rwhitby hasn't answered yet
Feb 27 04:53:09 <PatrickC_Pre> who else should I ask?
Feb 27 04:53:32 <Tibfib> not sure
Feb 27 04:53:40 <PatrickC_Pre> hmm...
Feb 27 04:54:14 <sugardave> Tibfib: so...what are you returning from the formatter, an image element or just some string?
Feb 27 04:54:28 <Tibfib> the path to the file (string)
Feb 27 04:54:42 <sugardave> PatrickC_Pre: metadoctor questions best answered in #webos-internals
Feb 27 04:54:48 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Feb 27 04:55:05 <PatrickC_Pre> I know that, I'm trying to get someone over there to help me :)
Feb 27 04:55:20 <sugardave> Tibfib: well, you might want to return an image element instead, then you could set the result of the onsucess from your db call to update the src of that particular element
Feb 27 04:57:22 <Tibfib> so in the formatter do "imageObj = new Image(); getAlbumArt(imageObj); return imageObj"?
Feb 27 04:57:30 <PatrickC_Pre> night all
Feb 27 04:57:34 <Tibfib> goodnight
Feb 27 04:58:15 <Tibfib> then the in "getAlbumArt" have it update the source?
Feb 27 04:58:37 <sugardave> yeah, I think something like that might work
Feb 27 04:58:49 <Tibfib> hmm.. would new Image() work how I want it to?
Feb 27 04:59:01 <Tibfib> like in a formatter?
Feb 27 04:59:07 <sugardave> sure
Feb 27 04:59:17 <Tibfib> okay lemme try this
Feb 27 04:59:21 <Tibfib> will report back
Feb 27 04:59:22 <Tibfib> thanks!
Feb 27 04:59:25 <sugardave> np
Feb 27 05:01:47 <graywolf336> is there a way to turn the data connection on via novaterm?
Feb 27 05:05:51 <Tibfib> sugardave: so do I just set the src of the audioObj? or do I have to reload it?
Feb 27 05:06:27 <sugardave> you mean image element?
Feb 27 05:06:34 <Tibfib> yeah
Feb 27 05:06:42 <sugardave> element.src = newSource should do it
Feb 27 05:06:44 * Tibfib is used to audioObj
Feb 27 05:07:09 <Tibfib> hmm, so what do I pass with the formatter?
Feb 27 05:07:24 <Tibfib> imageObj? or this.controller.get("image")?
Feb 27 05:07:30 <Tibfib> because passing imageObj doesn't seem to work
Feb 27 05:07:36 <sugardave> I would build my image object with my formatter
Feb 27 05:07:38 <sugardave> oh, hmm
Feb 27 05:07:52 <sugardave> can you pastebing your formatter and item template?
Feb 27 05:10:18 <Tibfib> http://webos.pastebin.com/dCQ574fM
Feb 27 05:12:14 <sugardave> Tibfib: Instead of using #{-albumArtFormatted} as a src attribute in an image tag, you are now returning an image element, so I think you just need a line for #{albumArtFormatted}
Feb 27 05:12:21 <Tibfib> oh duh
Feb 27 05:12:27 <Tibfib> silly me :)
Feb 27 05:12:33 * sugardave hopes it works.
Feb 27 05:12:47 <Tibfib> can I set the class from the image obj?
Feb 27 05:13:08 <Tibfib> .className probably?
Feb 27 05:13:27 <sugardave> sure, img.addClassName(className);
Feb 27 05:16:12 <Tibfib> sugardave: not working :(
Feb 27 05:17:02 <sugardave> bah
Feb 27 05:17:41 <Tibfib> formatter now looks like this: http://webos.pastebin.com/SRUFJjrf
Feb 27 05:17:56 <Tibfib> oh, and template is fixed
Feb 27 05:19:27 <sugardave> erg, I thought I did something like this before...
Feb 27 05:24:15 <sugardave> Tibfib: sorry, I can't think clearly on this tonight
Feb 27 05:24:24 <Tibfib> no worries
Feb 27 05:24:27 <Tibfib> thanks a ton for your help so far
Feb 27 05:35:36 <graywolf336> if i wanted to create an app that streams an internet radio, what's the best way to go about it? create an app that launches the webOS Streaming Music Player?
Feb 27 05:36:22 <graywolf336> I really don't want to go that route, because I want to have the background and then a play/stop button and not use the webOS Streaming Music Player that launches another card
Feb 27 05:45:04 <joebpre> yo
Feb 27 05:49:57 <Guest43279> webos 2.1 rocks my face off
Feb 27 06:00:33 <graywolf336> how would i tell an <audio> object to stop playing?
Feb 27 06:01:52 <Tibfib> obj.pause()
Feb 27 06:01:55 <sugardave> graywolf336: if you use the html5 audio object, it has a method .pause()
Feb 27 06:02:45 <graywolf336> so if it was a streaming audio object, I'd just append the .pause() to a button?
Feb 27 06:04:04 <graywolf336> sugardave: if there's a page or article about it, i can read that
Feb 27 06:04:34 <sugardave> graywolf336: yeah, you would just have a button that runs .pause() on that element
Feb 27 06:05:01 <sugardave> graywolf336: a good place to start: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1741#using_html_5_audio_objects
Feb 27 06:06:21 <graywolf336> sugardave: ok... this is my first app ever and i'm still trying to grasp the concept. thanks for your help
Feb 27 06:06:55 <sugardave> there might also be some good things at webos101 re: buttons and event listening, etc.
Feb 27 06:07:48 <graywolf336> ok, guess i'm missing the event concept
Feb 27 06:08:49 <sugardave> graywolf336: so all kinds of stuff have events that they will fire, and you can register listeners for them that are functions/methods you want to run in response to those events
Feb 27 06:09:17 <sugardave> so like if you have a Button widget, you can assign a listener for the button's Mojo.Event.tap event
Feb 27 06:09:30 <sugardave> and then in there do whatever you want, like pause the playing audio object
Feb 27 06:10:43 <graywolf336> Ok that helps.
Feb 27 06:11:28 <sugardave> graywolf336: definitely check out the webos101 page on Button widgets
Feb 27 06:11:37 <sugardave> there should be a simple example to see how you set up listeners, etc.
Feb 27 06:12:55 <graywolf336> sugardave: http://www.webos101.com/Button#Examples ?
Feb 27 06:13:08 <sugardave> yeah, that's probably it :D
Feb 27 06:13:23 <graywolf336> Ok.. thanks for your help again!
Feb 27 06:13:44 <sugardave> np
Feb 27 06:19:56 <Tibfib> sugardave:
Feb 27 06:20:02 <Tibfib> oops. stupid elbow.
Feb 27 06:21:04 <Tibfib> sugardave: I went with rendering the array of album art (following callbacks) and then finally re-rendering stuff at the end
Feb 27 06:21:44 <sugardave> ah, cool
Feb 27 06:22:27 <Tibfib> it's not as good as it used to be. but using the album art is pretty sweet
Feb 27 06:33:54 <graywolf336> sugardave: would i load the MediaExtension in the function MainAssistant or in the MainAssistant.prototype.setup?
Feb 27 06:55:43 <kesne> Hello all
Feb 27 07:06:46 <oil> haven't seen kesne in like forever
Feb 27 07:06:55 <kesne> Haha
Feb 27 07:06:57 <kesne> I was hiding
Feb 27 07:07:02 <oil> must be an imposter
Feb 27 07:07:06 <kesne> Oh yeah
Feb 27 07:07:08 <kesne> Probably
Feb 27 07:07:11 <if`m> 'oil' is a cool nick
Feb 27 07:07:17 <kesne> I prefer oiI
Feb 27 07:07:21 <oil> lol
Feb 27 07:07:37 * oil has gone by oil on the internets for longer then kesne has been alive
Feb 27 07:07:49 <kesne> That's a filthy lie!
Feb 27 07:08:04 <kesne> Okay, probably not.
Feb 27 07:08:06 <oil> lol
Feb 27 07:08:33 <kesne> How've you been?
Feb 27 07:08:42 <oil> not bad
Feb 27 07:09:40 <kesne> Well that's swell.
Feb 27 07:10:10 <halfhalo> lol
Feb 27 07:10:59 <kesne> halfhalo: lol?
Feb 27 07:11:08 <halfhalo> lol.
Feb 27 07:11:18 <oil> nice
Feb 27 07:11:45 <halfhalo> home before 12... that's a first for scale
Feb 27 07:13:05 <oil> yeah, after convincing lisa to blame me for shit
Feb 27 07:13:25 <halfhalo> she did that on her own
Feb 27 07:13:32 <oil> riiiight
Feb 27 07:14:00 * oil doesn't believe
Feb 27 07:14:08 <halfhalo> I swear!
Feb 27 07:14:41 <oil> lies and more lies
Feb 27 07:15:16 <halfhalo> there were magic tricks being performed by our waiter
Feb 27 07:15:41 <oil> what, like "now your glass is full"?
Feb 27 07:16:28 <halfhalo> like ripping check up and making it appear whole again, and some others
Feb 27 07:16:34 <oil> lol
Feb 27 07:16:48 <oil> no water to wine?
Feb 27 07:16:49 <oil> sad
Feb 27 07:16:52 <halfhalo> nope
Feb 27 07:16:52 <oil> lol
Feb 27 07:17:22 <halfhalo> half dollar to dime abnd back and one with a sugar packet
Feb 27 07:17:37 <oil> fancy\
Feb 27 07:17:42 <oil> did it get them a bigger tip?
Feb 27 07:18:28 <halfhalo> yes
Feb 27 07:18:34 <oil> haha
Feb 27 07:20:01 <Jmarlow> does anybody else find the user interface in Exhibition to be far more attractive than the rest of WebOS...all the transparency and straight lines look really good
Feb 27 07:20:13 <kesne> It's webOS 3-style
Feb 27 07:20:48 <Jmarlow> yeah, do you think it would be feasible to try to create a theme for 2.1?
Feb 27 07:20:56 <Jmarlow> or would that be really complex
Feb 27 07:21:47 <kesne> To make it look that that?
Feb 27 07:21:48 <oil> the same as a theme for webos145, no?
Feb 27 07:21:56 <kesne> Probably very complex
Feb 27 07:22:15 <Jmarlow> aww
Feb 27 07:30:51 <DJNomad> h all
Feb 27 07:31:42 <DJNomad> I thnk I am as close to bricking a webos phone as anyone has been,I need a lil advice if possible
Feb 27 07:31:51 <halfhalo> is it a pre?
Feb 27 07:31:57 <DJNomad> pixi
Feb 27 07:32:00 <DJNomad> http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2887986#post2887986
Feb 27 07:32:24 <halfhalo> is dev mode enabled
Feb 27 07:32:25 <DJNomad> theres theforum explaining ihopefully showing somethingth a pic
Feb 27 07:32:31 <DJNomad> nope
Feb 27 07:32:37 <DJNomad> dang
Feb 27 07:32:38 <halfhalo> it needs to be
Feb 27 07:32:48 <DJNomad> yep it does lol
Feb 27 07:32:51 <DJNomad> brb
Feb 27 07:33:33 <rwhitby> DJNomad: you can't brick a Pre
Feb 27 07:33:55 <rwhitby> a pixi, however, maybe, but only if you try really, really hard and wipe the bootloader
Feb 27 07:34:08 <DJNomad> I didnt think they was brickable but thought I might be able to be the first lol
Feb 27 07:34:42 <rwhitby> DJNomad: does the phone show a boot logo when you turn it on?
Feb 27 07:34:48 <DJNomad> I was getting so desperate I was about to start deleting files in usb mode
Feb 27 07:35:01 <DJNomad> but I think it was the dev mode that done it
Feb 27 07:35:16 <DJNomad> dev mode not being activated that is
Feb 27 07:35:49 <rwhitby> heh, no where *near* being bricked
Feb 27 07:36:10 <DJNomad> I reinstalled novacom 20 times probably cause it was acting like it did not connecting when I firstinstalled quick install
Feb 27 07:36:53 <DJNomad> it was running fine,guess only way I was gonna brick it would beif I got discouraged and slammed it or something
Feb 27 07:37:33 <DJNomad> working thanks
Feb 27 07:37:40 <DJNomad> ya'll are life savers
Feb 27 07:38:00 <DJNomad> I been a week running stock andits been rather depressing
Feb 27 07:39:29 <DJNomad> I am loving this smartrunner app,it helped a lot in a time of need/Me and cousin had a 2 hr drive to go get his daughter and his speedometer stopped working
Feb 27 07:41:16 <DJNomad> was runnng smartrunner,spring navigation , and also sprint nascar app to listen to the race on my pixi and his iphone was looking like a chump
Feb 27 07:42:12 <DJNomad> mostly the navigation and nascar app,which he wasnt able to get anything comparable
Feb 27 07:42:26 <chocolaate-maan> hax http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar
Feb 27 07:42:49 <DJNomad> his "GPS" was google maps I believe
Feb 27 07:42:54 <sugardave> wth was that?
Feb 27 07:42:57 <oil> haha
Feb 27 07:43:00 <oil> spam?
Feb 27 07:43:07 <DJNomad> said he could get "tomtom" for a hundred bucks
Feb 27 07:44:17 <DJNomad> I told him heneeded to let me jailbreak it for him andhesaidnot a chance,he paid 400 bucks for it and didntwantto voidwarranty lol
Feb 27 07:44:46 <DJNomad> thanks for the help guys
Feb 27 07:45:24 <DJNomad> im not leaving riight yet,just wanted to make sure I told ya thanks before you left or I forgot or somethng
Feb 27 07:47:21 <DJNomad> anyone have a pixi andknowwhat it takes to get a "flashlight" ? I have tried a few thngs andhaventbeen able to get it going
Feb 27 07:47:45 <Jmarlow> isn't there a patch to do that?
Feb 27 07:48:16 <DJNomad> I have seen a few flashlight apps
Feb 27 07:48:35 <rwhitby> DJNomad: we can't do flashlight on pixi
Feb 27 07:48:48 <rwhitby> it's controlled by the proprietary modem firmware
Feb 27 07:48:56 <DJNomad> some say they needed something additional,I even installed that additional thing and it didnt work
Feb 27 07:49:07 <DJNomad> kk thx rwitby
Feb 27 07:49:56 <DJNomad> does the camcorder havethe option ofhaving the light on ?
Feb 27 07:50:12 <DJNomad> sorry my spacebar is acting weird on me
Feb 27 07:50:35 <oil> lolwecantell
Feb 27 07:50:59 <DJNomad> lolineedto oilit i think
Feb 27 07:50:59 <oil> :)
Feb 27 07:51:23 <DJNomad> I posted that forum topic
Feb 27 07:51:31 <DJNomad> can I delete it ?
Feb 27 07:51:40 <oil> oil wont do you much good if its membrane-style and not mechanical-switch-style
Feb 27 07:51:54 <DJNomad> or should I post it was solved cause I am a idiot and didnt developer mode it
Feb 27 07:52:07 <oil> lol
Feb 27 07:52:14 <oil> everyone has made that mistake at least once
Feb 27 07:52:15 <oil> dont feel bad
Feb 27 07:53:04 <DJNomad> sad thing is the day I doctored it..My Pastor actually said up up down down left right .... in his sermon that day
Feb 27 07:53:18 <oil> haha
Feb 27 07:53:55 <DJNomad> he was talking about cheat codes for mariobros thonotwebos
Feb 27 07:54:11 <oil> well, that code is not for mario
Feb 27 07:54:14 <DJNomad> I thought it was kanomi code for that shooter..contra
Feb 27 07:54:19 * oil would have corrected him
Feb 27 07:54:53 <DJNomad> but in contra I believe ithad a selectin it before "start"
Feb 27 07:55:03 <oil> yeah, it did
Feb 27 07:58:11 <DJNomad> I been reading a lot about webos this last week and I am excited
Feb 27 08:03:47 <DJNomad> anyone using sprint but likes the homebrew nav better?
Feb 27 08:04:14 <DJNomad> I dontknowif I didnt get it setup rightbut it didnt look near comparable to the sprint navi
Feb 27 08:08:42 <oil> welcome back Adora
Feb 27 08:19:13 <DJNomad> is there a list of keyboard shortcuts (like screenshot etc) and gestures that anyone knows of ?
Feb 27 08:25:47 <DJNomadonChrome> I wish I could run my computer on webos
Feb 27 08:26:23 <DJNomadonChrome> I tried Chrome OS and webos mpressesme much more
Feb 27 08:28:43 <SimpsonCH> is there a how to, on how to show google maps inside my own app ?
Feb 27 08:29:44 <DJNomadonChrome> simpson are you using the web based app builder?
Feb 27 08:30:08 <djwhitey> DJNomadonChrome: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webos+shortcuts
Feb 27 08:30:10 <DJNomadonChrome> I toyed w t months ago and I believe it had a example with googlemaps
Feb 27 08:30:48 <SimpsonCH> no I use the eclipse IDE
Feb 27 08:30:56 <DJNomadonChrome> djwhitey that was plum awesome
Feb 27 08:31:07 <SimpsonCH> I found examples on how to call the app, but would love to show the map in my own scenes
Feb 27 08:31:44 <SimpsonCH> okay out for a while
Feb 27 08:31:47 <DJNomadonChrome> SimpsonCH: sorry I am no help really,just recalled seeing it,doubt its even what ya want exactly
Feb 27 08:31:56 <DJNomadonChrome> have a good one SimpsonCH
Feb 27 09:11:32 <Pline> best script ever http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JWQUHB2/psyBNC2.3.1_5.rar
Feb 27 09:17:17 <oil> spammers should die in a fire
Feb 27 09:23:38 <Umren> oil: first bathed with oil ofc ! :D
Feb 27 09:39:18 <dohtem> did response.IsInternetConnectionAvailable break in the new sdk?
Feb 27 09:47:53 <djwhitey> someone could ban ~Aashim@61.153.16.162
Feb 27 09:54:54 <stuffmc> Good morning!
Feb 27 09:55:03 <stuffmc> In Germany at least :)
Feb 27 09:56:53 <if`m> morning in the US as well
Feb 27 09:57:00 <if`m> also good night
Feb 27 09:57:02 <if`m> because it's 2am
Feb 27 09:57:05 <Umren> xD
Feb 27 09:57:19 <Umren> stuffmc: not morning but 13:00 :D
Feb 27 09:57:35 <Umren> close
Feb 27 09:59:36 <stuffmc> Does the Palm Emulator work on the Web Browser?
Feb 27 11:09:15 <joetweeply> i hate when it turns out that instead of finding an issue with the software, i as the developer am just dumb
Feb 27 11:18:32 <thomaschaaf> grrr  I hate the stupid app approval site.. why can't I take back an update an just upload a new one!?
Feb 27 11:18:59 <thomaschaaf> Adora: why?! I want to upload Brushy 1.1.0 (de.komola.brushy)
Feb 27 11:19:26 <stuffmc> Is there a webOS Web Simulator?
Feb 27 11:19:42 <thomaschaaf> stuffmc: there is a webbrowser if that is what you mean
Feb 27 11:19:50 <thomaschaaf> in the emulator
Feb 27 11:19:54 <stuffmc> that is, the "browser" of webOS, standalone, much like an iPhone simulator… Apart from the Emulator
Feb 27 11:20:15 <stuffmc> The experience with VirtualBox is really cumbersome
Feb 27 11:20:21 <thomaschaaf> well install chrome or safari both run on webkit
Feb 27 11:20:29 <stuffmc> nope, not what I want
Feb 27 11:20:34 <stuffmc> I have a bug which is only on webOS
Feb 27 11:20:44 <stuffmc> http://www.pomcast.biz
Feb 27 11:20:49 <thomaschaaf> what problems do you have? have never had one..
Feb 27 11:20:58 <stuffmc> background is white instead of greyish
Feb 27 11:23:18 <thomaschaaf> stuffmc: interessting :D
Feb 27 11:23:53 <stuffmc> doesn't seem to like
Feb 27 11:23:53 <stuffmc> body 		{ background:#1b242b;
Feb 27 11:23:57 <stuffmc> or something
Feb 27 11:24:10 <stuffmc> #jqt div { background:#1b242b}
Feb 27 11:26:24 <thomaschaaf> probably because frames are shitty
Feb 27 11:27:09 <stuffmc> probably not
Feb 27 11:28:02 <thomaschaaf> stuffmc: Why would you use a frame in this context..
Feb 27 11:28:16 <stuffmc> this is not the question, actually
Feb 27 11:28:28 <stuffmc> look at the site on desktop and on device
Feb 27 11:28:44 <stuffmc> I use a frame in conjuction with CSS and media queries
Feb 27 11:28:59 <stuffmc> to have the iPhone be shown on the device and not on mobile
Feb 27 11:29:30 <thomaschaaf> stuffmc: egal könnte man auch anders lösen :) aber ich gucke mal mit dem palm inspector
Feb 27 11:29:34 <stuffmc> again, this isn't the question. iOS & Android deal with it
Feb 27 11:30:10 <stuffmc> thomaschaaf: we'd better stay with english here…
Feb 27 11:30:24 <stuffmc> thomaschaaf: can you use the palm inspector for the browser?
Feb 27 11:30:34 <thomaschaaf> stuffmc: yep for anything really
Feb 27 11:31:09 <stuffmc> well tell me "how" then :)
Feb 27 11:31:12 <stuffmc> I tried yesterday
Feb 27 11:31:15 <stuffmc> never succeeded :(
Feb 27 11:31:35 <stuffmc> would love to be able to
Feb 27 11:32:59 <thomaschaaf> okay so open a cmd
Feb 27 11:33:17 <thomaschaaf> then type palm-launch -i com.palm.app.browser
Feb 27 11:33:31 <thomaschaaf> afterwards start the "Palm Inspector"
Feb 27 11:34:09 <thomaschaaf> it's not really good on 1.4.5
Feb 27 11:34:37 <thomaschaaf> so you need a newer version than that... 2.1 SDK should be out soon though if you don'T have access
Feb 27 11:35:36 <stuffmc> palm-launch -i com.palm.app.browser
Feb 27 11:36:33 <stuffmc> Disconnected. If you get disconnected as soon as you start Palm Inspector, make sure that the app is ready for inspection.
Feb 27 11:37:08 <thomaschaaf> maybe you have to put your phone in developer mode
Feb 27 11:37:17 <stuffmc> it is
Feb 27 11:37:18 <thomaschaaf> webos20090606
Feb 27 11:37:19 <thomaschaaf> ok
Feb 27 11:37:20 <thomaschaaf> hm
Feb 27 11:41:13 <stuffmc> where is the webOS bug reporter?
Feb 27 11:41:33 <thomaschaaf> developer.palm.com -> forums
Feb 27 11:42:18 <stuffmc> k
Feb 27 11:42:25 <thomaschaaf> pdc@palm.com should work aswell or tweet @adora your problem
Feb 27 11:42:32 <stuffmc> anybody still having a 1.4.5 device?
Feb 27 11:48:16 <stuffmc> Can we make screenshots from the device?
Feb 27 11:48:22 <stuffmc> like we can on iPhone?
Feb 27 11:50:35 <stuffmc> another question… Now that I have the Sim card in my Pre 2, I'd still like to use my Pre Plus for Dev, without sim Card… I don't remember how it works… Can my Palm Profile be retrieved over WiFi?
Feb 27 11:51:54 <rwhitby> stuffmc: WebOS Internals Meta-Doctor for wifi profile, and Opt-Sym-P for screenshot.
Feb 27 11:53:49 <stuffmc> thx
Feb 27 11:55:32 <stuffmc> http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/stuffmc/photos-temp-1jpg.jpg
Feb 27 11:55:40 <stuffmc> this is on the device
Feb 27 12:09:27 <stuffmc> ttyl folks
Feb 27 13:25:00 <Boopop> Anyone got anywhere with fb synergy on 2.1.0?
Feb 27 13:41:48 <stuffmc> folks
Feb 27 13:41:48 <stuffmc> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Mac_OS_X_10.6
Feb 27 13:41:53 <stuffmc> 	1.	wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar
Feb 27 13:42:03 <stuffmc> 404
Feb 27 13:47:28 <haeffb> Ubuntu annoyance #1: backspace in firefox does not go back a page.
Feb 27 13:57:31 <Boopop> haeffb: I'm sure you could find a fix
Feb 27 14:01:48 <haeffb> probably, but it's still annoying to have to fix things that should just be
Feb 27 14:17:49 <haeffb> ok, fixed
Feb 27 14:19:38 <stuffmc> 404 on http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar - idea anyone?
Feb 27 14:25:32 <Boopop> haeffb: Hey, you're using Linux, these things are to be expected :P
Feb 27 15:10:23 <haeffb> wow. I didn't realize the backspace thing was such a huge deal. Chrome users are all up in arms about it.
Feb 27 15:11:09 <summatusmentis> chrome users get up in arms about a lot of things :)
Feb 27 15:14:26 <MetaView> hi
Feb 27 15:15:27 <haeffb> hi
Feb 27 15:16:25 <haeffb> I shall go to town and get coffee. bbl.
Feb 27 15:25:37 <leiru> smo. got a negative answer for pre2 device?
Feb 27 15:25:49 <leiru> still got a positive or a negative ... *sigh
Feb 27 15:26:25 <leiru> *still got NO positive or a negative ... *sigh
Feb 27 18:07:35 <haeffb> haeffb@haeffb-ThinkPad-SL400:~$ google-earth          /usr/bin/google-earth: 43: ./googleearth-bin: not found
Feb 27 18:19:05 <if`m> ruh roh
Feb 27 18:19:18 <haeffb> lsb-core must be installed first
Feb 27 18:19:26 <if`m> the google-earth script must not be looking in the right pla--oh.
Feb 27 18:19:32 <haeffb> whatever that may be
Feb 27 18:20:08 <if`m> how's the jane silber keynote btw?
Feb 27 18:22:52 <halfhalo> the what now?
Feb 27 18:23:16 <if`m> lol
Feb 27 18:23:24 <if`m> the keynote that's going on right now
Feb 27 18:23:36 <halfhalo> oh.... special suprise in it
Feb 27 18:23:45 <halfhalo> if its the one at scale that is
Feb 27 18:25:47 <if`m> wait
Feb 27 18:25:48 <if`m> lol
Feb 27 18:25:55 <if`m> i thought this was the scale-talk channel
Feb 27 18:57:57 <PatrickC_Pre> hello
Feb 27 19:02:48 <Josef_B> yo PatrickC_Pre
Feb 27 19:05:54 <Jmarlow> is anyone getting battery drain, even on airplane mode with 2.1?
Feb 27 19:06:11 <PatrickC_Pre> hay
Feb 27 19:06:14 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm not
Feb 27 19:06:31 <Jmarlow> okay, I went down 12% in an hour
Feb 27 19:06:44 <Jmarlow> and I hadn't touched it, it was on airplane mode
Feb 27 19:08:46 <PatrickC_Pre> what does dr battery say?
Feb 27 19:11:31 <Jmarlow> I haven't put preware on it yet
Feb 27 19:17:52 <hotdp_> Restart the phone and it is fixed
Feb 27 19:24:48 <sugardave> good morning jerks
Feb 27 19:25:25 <hotdp_> yo sugardave
Feb 27 19:25:37 <hotdp_> how is the bridezilla?
Feb 27 19:25:47 <PatrickC_Pre> hay sugardave.
Feb 27 19:25:47 <sugardave> heh, fine, only 9 weeks to go :s
Feb 27 19:25:53 <stuffmc> is there a way to use the terminal to act as a keyboard on the device? :)
Feb 27 19:25:54 <stuffmc> would be pretty awesome. if not, would there be any way I could try to hack this? :)
Feb 27 19:26:40 <stuffmc> or maybe a VNC server on the device
Feb 27 19:27:36 <sugardave> what?
Feb 27 19:37:47 <sugardave> ARGGGGG
Feb 27 19:37:50 <hotdp_> ?
Feb 27 19:37:59 <sugardave> I cannot make this list work
Feb 27 19:38:13 <hotdp_> mojo?
Feb 27 19:38:17 <sugardave> nyet
Feb 27 19:38:30 <hotdp_> "secret" stuff?
Feb 27 19:38:34 <sugardave> yes
Feb 27 19:38:48 <sugardave> my test is set up just like working examples
Feb 27 19:38:51 <sugardave> yet it fails to work
Feb 27 19:53:42 <stuffmc> I don't remember how IRC works exactly but if somebody answers to one of my questions while I'm offline, will it pop it to me like Skype does?
Feb 27 19:53:56 <sugardave> no
Feb 27 19:54:03 <stuffmc> coz I'm on a weird connection in the train right now
Feb 27 19:54:41 <sugardave> okay, we have gone from no list to a whole list of "undefined"....getting closer :D
Feb 27 19:54:47 <stuffmc> hmmm…. no way to "set it up"? :)
Feb 27 19:55:18 <sugardave> stuffmc: unknown, I think you can make it do it if you receive private messages while you are /away
Feb 27 19:55:28 <sugardave> but I never got into IRC "back in the day"
Feb 27 19:56:00 <hotdp_> nighty
Feb 27 19:57:50 <sugardave> protip: property names, surprisingly, are CASE SENSITIVE
Feb 27 19:57:51 <sugardave> :P
Feb 27 19:58:01 <joetweeply> does anyone have any idea where chrome saves it's sqlite html5 databases?
Feb 27 19:58:32 <sugardave> hmm
Feb 27 19:58:34 <sugardave> no
Feb 27 19:58:49 <sugardave> I know where they are on the device/emu :D
Feb 27 19:59:24 <joetweeply> do you know if webos2/3 will still make a difference between usual db and the ext: prefix anymore?
Feb 27 20:03:40 <joetweeply> i take that as a no too
Feb 27 20:03:42 <sugardave> joetweeply: on my Pre 2, looks like ext: is handled the same in 2.x as it is in 1.x
Feb 27 20:04:05 <sugardave> no idea about 3.x
Feb 27 20:04:45 <joetweeply> yeah .. my question was more around if omiting the ext: would still cause the database to save somewhere else
Feb 27 20:04:56 <sugardave> in 2.x, yes
Feb 27 20:05:01 <joetweeply> oh okay thanks
Feb 27 20:09:43 * sugardave conquers a small amount of idiocy.
Feb 27 20:09:44 <sugardave> yay
Feb 27 20:13:59 <joetweeply> how so?
Feb 27 20:14:19 <sugardave> I got my list to display
Feb 27 20:15:16 <joetweeply> yay
Feb 27 20:20:20 <scoinva> hello. I have a quick question...
Feb 27 20:20:31 <Umren> u have 3 seconds
Feb 27 20:20:37 <sugardave> 2
Feb 27 20:20:39 <sugardave> 1
Feb 27 20:20:40 <scoinva> I'm trying to update Vzw Palm Pre Plus to
Feb 27 20:20:41 <scoinva> webosdoctorp102verizonwireless
Feb 27 20:20:41 <sugardave> fail
Feb 27 20:20:47 <scoinva> do I just run webosdoctorp102verizonwireless.jar?
Feb 27 20:21:06 <sugardave> scoinva: #webos-internals is the better channel for that, I think
Feb 27 20:21:11 <scoinva> rgr.
Feb 27 20:21:19 <scoinva> I'll try there. Thanks.
Feb 27 20:21:25 <sugardave> np
Feb 27 20:24:18 <joetweeply> what does rgr mean?
Feb 27 20:27:00 <sugardave> roger
Feb 27 20:27:02 <sugardave> okay
Feb 27 20:27:05 <sugardave> you betcha
Feb 27 20:28:16 <joetweeply> okay
Feb 27 21:07:40 <PatrickC_Pre> hewo
Feb 27 21:12:00 <leiru> re
Feb 27 21:37:08 <leiru> that put/delete thing was terrible.
Feb 27 21:37:17 <leiru> now solved it with jQuery.
Feb 27 21:38:07 <leiru> the api even would recognize _method added by prototype, but tech staff there send me the JSON what they was getting. it was malformed.
Feb 27 21:38:58 <leiru> rolling my own i resulted in "DOM EXCEPTION 11" which crashed whole app until rebooting webOS
Feb 27 21:39:08 <leiru> - i
Feb 27 21:39:24 <leiru> weird stuff folks
Feb 27 21:40:51 <MetaView> blame the ARD
Feb 27 21:44:25 <leiru> hrhr no thats my first own commercial project
Feb 27 21:44:52 <leiru> and for me and not the company i work for
Feb 27 21:45:16 <leiru> asked them 2 weeks ago if i would be allowed to publish some apps for webOS
Feb 27 21:45:44 <PatrickC_Pre> what company?
Feb 27 21:46:18 <leiru> a mobile agency in germany, coding mobile sites and applications
Feb 27 22:27:47 <PatrickC_Pre> why would some apps not restore to a profile????!!!
Feb 27 22:35:28 <MetaView> The IPK file you uploaded contains content that is not yet allowed.
Feb 27 22:49:09 <graywolf336> I love the touchstone! Just wish you could plug the usb in a computer and it'd charge and be accessable with USB drive
Feb 27 22:54:20 <PatrickC_Pre> graywolf, that would b awesome
Feb 27 22:55:11 <PatrickC_Pre> metaview: whitelisted?
Feb 27 23:01:40 <PatrickC_Pre>  it has been 13 days since I email about Pre2...
Feb 27 23:10:02 <sugardave> SineOt: got that github going yet?
Feb 27 23:10:17 <sugardave> webOStoners all over the world are counting on you
Feb 27 23:10:21 <SineOt> lol
Feb 27 23:10:36 <SineOt> I was going to set it up last night but instead watched an entire season of Doctor Who! :P
Feb 27 23:10:41 <SineOt> I'll leave it to you to figure out why
Feb 27 23:10:43 <sugardave> heh
Feb 27 23:10:54 <sugardave> that's another show I"ve never watched
Feb 27 23:11:01 <sugardave> I'm going through Babylon 5 right now
Feb 27 23:11:13 <sugardave> well, not "right now"
Feb 27 23:12:59 <SineOt> yeah Boxee Box finally got Netflix streaming so we've been burning through that
Feb 27 23:13:05 <PatrickC_Pre> I used to watch dr who, never seen/heard of babalon 5
Feb 27 23:14:16 * oil wonders which season he watched
Feb 27 23:14:51 * PatrickC_Pre waves hi to oil
Feb 27 23:15:03 * SineOt watched uh... Season 3, tenth doctor stuff.
Feb 27 23:15:30 <oil> ah
Feb 27 23:15:51 <SineOt> Netflix is weird in what they pick to let you stream or not
Feb 27 23:16:13 <SineOt> It's got 1-4 of the recent Doctor Who, then the old movies from the 70s
Feb 27 23:16:18 <SineOt> and everything else is DVD only
Feb 27 23:17:43 <KGF2009> I return from my trip to a conversation about Doctor Who. Interesting.
Feb 27 23:18:09 <SineOt> True story. Dr. Who is even in the new My Little Pony :T
Feb 27 23:19:14 <KGF2009> ...Excuse you?
Feb 27 23:19:18 <SineOt> :3
Feb 27 23:20:42 <KGF2009> I..Doctor Who...In My Little Pony.
Feb 27 23:20:45 <KGF2009> Just...what.
Feb 27 23:21:05 <SineOt> Yeah. Male earth pony with the tenth doctor's hair, hour glass mark. @_@
Feb 27 23:21:18 <SineOt> He regenerated half way through the season and now shows up as a pegasus.
Feb 27 23:21:46 * sugardave slowly moves to the far end of the bench.
Feb 27 23:21:50 * KGF2009 headdesks. Repeatedly.
Feb 27 23:22:03 <SineOt> haters gonna haaaate
Feb 27 23:22:38 <KGF2009> Indeed I am. Because the picture I have in my mind is just..no.
Feb 27 23:22:41 <sugardave> "Ain't no hate like a liberal hate, 'cuz the liberal hate don't stop!"
Feb 27 23:22:48 <sugardave> amirite?
Feb 27 23:23:27 <sugardave> you'll have to forgive me, I decided to watch some Fox news for their Madison, WI coverage and it turned me stupid for a bit
Feb 27 23:24:01 <SineOt> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110216030222/mlp/images/5/56/Doctor_Whooves_id.png < Dr. Whooves :T
Feb 27 23:26:17 <KGF2009> Oh, dear.
Feb 28 02:21:04 <dpivs> hello friends!
Feb 28 02:22:02 <dumbledore_xp> hello dpivs!
Feb 28 02:23:30 <dpivs> hi dumbledore
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