**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 05 02:59:56 2011 Mar 05 03:01:59 nite all Mar 05 03:03:19 doctoring my pre to 1.4.5 Mar 05 04:04:41 shouldn't a normal this.mediaObj = new Audio(); thing be able to play a .pls file? Mar 05 04:06:52 isn't a pls just a list of files? Mar 05 04:07:10 yeah... Mar 05 04:07:10 * sugardave has no clue. Mar 05 04:07:38 so you would need to parse the .pls to get the actual file and play that? Mar 05 04:07:41 i wonder if there's a way to get the first file listed in it and play that Mar 05 04:07:52 yeah... cause the streaming app for webos plays it :/ Mar 05 04:07:57 ah Mar 05 04:08:18 well, you could poke through the source code for that app and see how they do it Mar 05 04:08:21 http://listen.di.fm/public3/trance.pls - that's an example of one i'm trying to do Mar 05 04:08:27 humm true Mar 05 04:09:50 almost wonder if there's a way to say get the thing after File1 = Mar 05 04:12:29 sure, at the worst, you request that file and do some regexp matches to get the file values out Mar 05 04:14:05 I'm looking at how another app does it and they do a lot of stuff I don't understand... but I see a if (line[0].match(/^(file)/i)) {this.myRealPlay(line[1]);break; (with other stuff) Mar 05 04:14:31 that's probably it Mar 05 04:14:48 parsing the .pls to match the file uri, then playing it Mar 05 04:15:15 Ok... Will have to mess with it and understand what it means Mar 05 04:15:29 Just wanted to make sure I was looking at the right stuff Mar 05 04:15:30 graywolf336: start reading up on regular expressions Mar 05 04:15:39 ok Mar 05 04:15:39 anyone installed sdk on fedora ? Mar 05 04:19:29 anyone know how aoos can disappear from the launcher and how to get them back? on a sprint pre 1.4.5 Mar 05 04:30:30 partial erase fixed Mar 05 06:03:20 howdy everyone Mar 05 06:47:10 is it safe to say that if I'm on linux ubuntu is the only way to go .. if so should I just install virtualbox/windows and go from there ? Mar 05 08:19:08 man, clock on this laptop is screwy Mar 05 08:19:26 drifts forward by an hour or so over the course of 5 hours Mar 05 12:15:00 good morning Mar 05 13:57:36 alt key doesn't work to delete an app in emu under ubuntu... ? Mar 05 14:06:33 haeffb: left alt+ctrrl Mar 05 14:08:43 thanks Mar 05 14:14:38 what's everyone working on this morning Mar 05 14:33:57 when I run the sqlite3 command in a terminal on the emulator, I don't see any created databases. Even though I'm fairly certain that some databases must exist. Should I run the sqlite3 command under a different users, or should .databases list all databases? Mar 05 14:34:04 phil_bw: ^ that :) Mar 05 14:34:39 phil_bw: though it doesn't look like working in, it looks more like "learning mojo & friends" Mar 05 14:36:11 ah I see Mar 05 14:36:32 don't know a thing about databases on the pre Mar 05 14:39:16 phil_bw: I was just being dumb as fsck as it seems Mar 05 14:39:21 I forgot to cd to the correct database Mar 05 14:40:15 ah yes, being dumb can be costly when programming. I spent hours trying to figure out why my app was throwing exceptions the other day... Mar 05 14:41:01 I had only wrote code to load RGBA images and had saved one as RGB so it was trying to read more than it was supposed to.. Mar 05 14:41:37 * madnificent fiddles with the sqlite3 interface before being victorious Mar 05 14:41:59 phil_bw: it is fun when you discover what the error was though Mar 05 14:42:40 oh yes, but it wasn't giving me much clue as to where it was. Just that it was keeling over at the texture loader... Mar 05 14:43:57 After much googling I found someone else who had the same problem. Opened up photoshop and sure enough I didn't have an alpha channel on that particular texture (unlike all the others). Mar 05 14:46:29 LoL, these things happen Mar 05 14:46:53 I have found though that we very tech savvy people often overlook the obvious. Spent 3 - 4 hours once troubleshooting a netwok problem. Lots of driver reinstalls, reconfigures, etc. Mar 05 14:47:03 Cable was unplugged... Mar 05 14:58:47 * phil_bw wanders off and gets back to work Mar 05 15:00:49 sqlite3 for future reference: Mar 05 15:01:34 cd to relevant directory; # eg: /var/home/root/html5-databases/file_.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.YOUR.APP_0/ Mar 05 15:01:49 sqlite3 SOMENMUBERSEQUENCE.db Mar 05 15:01:56 and there you have it :) Mar 05 15:04:51 there you have it Mar 05 15:05:03 * haeffb just installed sqlitemanager plugin for firefox Mar 05 15:05:16 haeffb: can you connect that to the pre? (if so: how?) Mar 05 15:05:41 I use the ext: extension for databases Mar 05 15:05:50 which puts them on the USB partition Mar 05 15:05:53 ah Mar 05 15:06:00 I was thinking of using sshfs, which might work Mar 05 15:06:02 * madnificent tries that Mar 05 15:06:36 gotta jet. MU vs KU at 11am on CBS. Look for me - I'll be wearing black & gold. Mar 05 15:41:21 list dividers are not fun Mar 05 15:56:45 what a boring day Mar 05 16:00:32 leiru: and one with failing list dividers! Mar 05 16:00:44 leiru: what's wrong with it? Mar 05 16:14:02 sup punks Mar 05 16:26:30 sup Mar 05 16:31:51 I'm looking for resources on the WebOS webbrowser and it's Javascript engine. In specific, I'm looking for details on AJAX and XSLT. Where can I find this information? Mar 05 16:33:36 they use v8 Mar 05 16:35:08 bpadalino: I see. The same webpage does work in Chrome, how can I start debugging? Mar 05 16:35:57 if you have the sdk, that would be a good place to start .. there are tools to help facilitate with that Mar 05 16:35:57 * sugardave tried to warn madnificent about collapsible dividers. Mar 05 16:35:59 developer.palm.com Mar 05 16:37:42 bpadalino: I think I have an older version of de SDK, 1.4.2 perhaps. Let me find a guide for installing on a Fedora machine first please Mar 05 16:41:25 would be great if there were some sort of RH/Fedora rpm packages available as well Mar 05 17:02:41 bpadalino: what tools can help me "debug" my webpage? Mar 05 17:10:10 sugardave: ! Mar 05 17:10:26 hey bitches Mar 05 17:10:28 sugardave: you got mail? Mar 05 17:10:40 funkatron: :) Mar 05 17:10:51 <- ajax-bitch ;) Mar 05 17:13:39 so I finally submitted the spaz special ed Mar 05 17:15:01 funkatron: and what is special about it? Mar 05 17:15:05 leiru: Pre 2 mail? Yep :) Mar 05 17:15:12 sugardave: :) /me too Mar 05 17:15:19 sweet Mar 05 17:15:20 leiru: 4 new themes. proceeds support spaz and webos internals Mar 05 17:15:26 $1.99 USD Mar 05 17:17:13 * phil_bw wanders by Mar 05 17:17:39 sugardave: now waiting again for a response: need my tracking-id ;) Mar 05 17:20:14 break time Mar 05 17:21:03 leiru: yeah, 10 business days and you should be set...I hear some people didn't get tracking #s, it just showed up Mar 05 17:21:14 same thing happened with my Pre + Mar 05 17:22:50 that would be a pity. tracking this package over the atlantic ocean every day would be awesome fun Mar 05 17:26:51 so I wonder how many people are going to comm board swap on their Pre 2 to get it on their network. Mar 05 17:36:01 ok so i just want to throw this out there .. webos sdk on linux Mar 05 17:36:17 if it isn't ubuntu then you need to have a virtualbox with xp on there period ! Mar 05 17:36:19 sound right ? Mar 05 17:36:49 i can't get webos sdk to install on this fedora box for the life of me Mar 05 17:37:11 Josef_B: hrm. in some way, right. there are tools to convert deb -> rpm Mar 05 17:37:20 yea that didn't work Mar 05 17:37:22 alien -tc Mar 05 17:37:27 thats what your talking about Mar 05 17:37:57 and the debs should run @ debian too Mar 05 17:37:58 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MojoSDK_on_Fedora#Installing_the_Mojo_SDK_on_Fedora Mar 05 17:38:08 I've never tried outside of ubuntu, I'm afraid Mar 05 17:38:26 yea Mar 05 17:38:39 so my best bet is to install virtualbox/windows Mar 05 17:39:04 yugh, the palm-inspector does not work on Fedora Mar 05 17:39:23 now how am I supposed to debug webpages on WebOS? :( Mar 05 17:39:28 vb ubuntu instead Mar 05 17:39:29 true Mar 05 17:39:30 :) Mar 05 17:39:37 RSpliet: emulator host mode Mar 05 17:39:41 sugardave install ubuntu on virtualbox ? Mar 05 17:39:56 personally, I would just use Ubuntu Mar 05 17:40:01 but, if you can't/won' Mar 05 17:40:02 t Mar 05 17:40:08 then make an ubuntu image in vb Mar 05 17:40:11 sugardave i just scrapped ubuntu and put on fedora :D Mar 05 17:40:14 why Mar 05 17:40:51 sugardave before i came to webos i was on ubuntu for a couple of years .. i got tired of it 0_o .. now i should have stayed with it for webos .. but i can always install windows in vm Mar 05 17:41:07 you can also install ubuntu in a vm, screw windows Mar 05 17:41:09 sugardave: a good reason for me to run Fedora is it's high tweakability. Especially since I'm involved with Nouveau Mar 05 17:41:48 RSpliet your on fedora ? Mar 05 17:42:05 Josef_B: why this manual isn't working for you? Mar 05 17:42:11 Josef_B: since Fedora Core 2, that's the other main reason ;-) Mar 05 17:42:28 leiru it just dosen't every thing in there dosen't work Mar 05 17:42:29 ie Mar 05 17:42:52 # ./postinst < -- this errors out and once i plug in my pre nothing works Mar 05 17:43:00 RSpliet: the general consensus seems to be "f inspector" Mar 05 17:43:58 sugardave: please elaborate. I'm simply looking for some output from "the browser" telling me that my javascript is borked on line xxx... all I can find on debugging is applications :) Mar 05 17:44:36 well, you can run "emulator host mode" and run your app in webkit browser Mar 05 17:44:40 then use the dev console Mar 05 17:45:00 sugardave: is there a little more documentation on that? Mar 05 17:45:05 it works for MOST things Mar 05 17:45:09 some things won't work Mar 05 17:45:16 but you can see the DOM, etc. Mar 05 17:45:28 Josef_B: if you scroll down theres a section: Install Mojo SDK on Fedora 11 (Legacy Instructions) Mar 05 17:45:29 there is also the Ares standalon debugger (which I've never used) Mar 05 17:45:53 sugardave: the thing is, I'm not an app developer, but building a cross-platform website Mar 05 17:50:11 if i already have a sprint pre plus working on 1.4.5 which script in meta-doctor do i run to get 2.1 working? just the sprint pre script? Mar 05 17:50:45 sugardave: ah, it's starting to make sense now, tnx for the pointer Mar 05 17:52:12 now all I need is a browser to work it with... FF3.6, Opera, Epiphany refuse to Mar 05 17:52:59 RSpliet: chrome, iron or safari should work Mar 05 17:53:18 sugardave: chrome unfortunately doesn't Mar 05 17:53:22 :s Mar 05 17:53:46 you should make sure you've got it working with a simple "hello world" type of app Mar 05 17:54:05 RSpliet: heavy aja and some other things don't work good in emulator host mode Mar 05 17:54:09 what's up? Mar 05 17:54:19 s/aja/ajax Mar 05 17:54:24 who's making an app? Mar 05 17:54:58 sugardave: the WebOS browser isn't starting at all ;) Mar 05 17:55:31 RSpliet: what you tryin to do? Mar 05 17:56:14 PatrickC_Pixi: create a cross-platform AJAX website, and in specific having it work in the WebOS browser as well Mar 05 17:56:43 I don't know how to use AJAX, so I'm of no help :p Mar 05 17:57:13 brb Mar 05 17:57:22 RSpliet: ah, you probably will not be getting the webOS browser app to work in emulator host mode ;) Mar 05 17:57:25 sorry Mar 05 17:57:58 it MIGHT work with Ares standalone debugger, but I have no clue Mar 05 17:58:38 just tailing /var/log/messages might give you info Mar 05 17:58:43 but I think the debugger would work too Mar 05 18:05:58 sugardave: I'm giving up on the damned list dividers. It's a hack on top of a hack, it seems Mar 05 18:06:07 that's putting it mildly Mar 05 18:06:14 LoL, right Mar 05 18:06:18 it gets better Mar 05 18:06:21 eventually Mar 05 18:06:37 like "wow, this is an automatic one!" Mar 05 18:06:41 sugardave: what would be my best alternative? I was thinking of a palm-group with the items in it Mar 05 18:06:51 sugardave: automatic one? Mar 05 18:06:58 "think beyond" Mar 05 18:07:06 ah, they're working on it :) Mar 05 18:07:47 madnificent: is your list static or dynamic? Mar 05 18:09:01 it's actually a nested list. I'm estimating the user will have something between 2 and 5 active contexts. I want to show the active tasks for each context. It seemed appropriate to allow users to collapse the context. Mar 05 18:09:57 mmm, fun Mar 05 18:10:02 so you want a list of lists Mar 05 18:10:06 * madnificent now thinks that he could do without the collapsing context for now... but he does really want it Mar 05 18:10:11 basically: yes Mar 05 18:10:38 So I thought: I can make a list of palm-group elements, but they don't really collapse nicely Mar 05 18:11:38 I would make the first list be the sub-list "headings", then handle it like a push to a new scene for the inner lists Mar 05 18:11:48 drawback is they can only deal with one context at a time Mar 05 18:12:33 what app you workin on sugardave? Mar 05 18:13:07 sugardave: I could catch a click on the palm-group-title, couldn't I? Then I can show ... when no items are to be shown. I can show the itemlist when they should be shown Mar 05 18:14:15 also: why on earth did they create a group palm-row first. They could've handled that in their own css, now I have to do it :( Mar 05 18:15:12 madnificent: I gotta jet, sorry Mar 05 18:16:06 madnificent: whatcha tryin to do? Mar 05 18:20:25 PatrickC: paste of my own text: Mar 05 18:20:44 like "meta+v"? Mar 05 18:21:25 it's actually a nested list. I'm estimating the user will have something between 2 and 5 active contexts. I want to show the active tasks for each context. It seemed appropriate to allow users to collapse the context. Mar 05 18:21:47 PatrickC: LoL, no a paste of my own text in this channel :) and ^ that ^ is the text Mar 05 18:22:33 sorry Mar 05 18:22:35 I g2g Mar 05 18:23:24 this seems to be a scary question Mar 05 18:23:34 * phil_bw is of no help Mar 05 18:24:13 I feel like the black sheep around here anymore these days... writing my apps in C++ instead of Mojo... it's like I'm speaking a foreign language :( Mar 05 18:24:32 anybody tried using http://www.rgraph.net/index.html in their app, I am trying from past 3 hours, doesn's seem to work Mar 05 18:25:09 it's a canvas based graph library. Mar 05 18:25:33 vaibhav: I'm still learning, sorry Mar 05 18:27:11 madnificient, no need to be, we all are learning Mar 05 18:28:19 just found out , it's paid library, never mind. Mar 05 18:30:40 * madnificent <3 cheapskates :) Mar 05 18:30:44 cehap Mar 05 18:30:47 cheap Mar 05 18:46:10 I am from India, cheap is a compliment here, lol Mar 05 19:11:05 can I do a this.getAudioURL to setup a reference to a function later that gets a url from a file? (if that makes sense) Mar 05 19:15:09 hey dogg, hey Mar 05 19:29:21 I'm trying to render a mojo list within a mojo list. However, that errors out because the internal list hasn't been setup until the outside list has been set up. Is there a normal way out of this, or should I to hack it in there? (I'm thinking of using innerHTML) Mar 05 19:29:51 I just want to know why you're rendering lists inside of lists x3 Mar 05 19:30:50 SineOt: It's been pasted multiple times :) I have a dynamic amount of lists that are rendered. Mar 05 19:30:59 yay my game is finished =) Mar 05 19:31:07 joetweeply: w00t, I guess :) Mar 05 19:31:23 yeah... time for submitting to the app store Mar 05 19:32:02 joetweeply: paid app? And what's the game about? Mar 05 19:32:14 yeah it is. 99 cent space shooter Mar 05 19:32:54 with name Mar 05 19:33:12 Name will be Twoxy3 Mar 05 19:37:52 if i got a Ajax.Request, how do i get the file to another function later on down in the app? Mar 05 19:53:48 how do you correct shutdown the virtual machine? Mar 05 19:58:50 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744#Emulator-ExitingtheEmulator Mar 05 19:59:02 graywolf336: aka, you can just kill it :) Mar 05 20:00:37 Ok thanks! Mar 05 20:02:36 If I set the innerHTML of an element to something containing an x-mojo-element, must I do something else to get that x-mojo-element fired up? Mar 05 20:22:30 you need to call MyAssistant.controller.instantiateChildWidgets( MyAssistant.controller.get( parent ) ); after setting everything up. Mar 05 20:22:33 nice Mar 05 20:24:06 app submitted, now it's waiting time Mar 05 20:25:03 man this app type mismatch is always weirding me out Mar 05 20:25:36 app type mismatch? Mar 05 20:25:46 when it is a pdk app i always get that error Mar 05 20:26:00 as if it's not allowed to submit pdk apps Mar 05 20:26:02 * madnificent has never submitted an app Mar 05 20:26:15 you should try it out, it's fun Mar 05 20:26:49 if they'd allow me to create an account without a visa card, then I will :) Mar 05 20:26:59 * madnificent is building his first app, that's probably the reason Mar 05 20:27:21 i didn't have to give out my visa card Mar 05 20:27:40 joetweeply: at least they skipped the "package contains an executable" part Mar 05 20:27:41 i farted Mar 05 20:27:49 heh Mar 05 20:28:39 joetweeply: I have to do so now. I need to have a credit card linked to my paypal account Mar 05 20:28:41 for some reason Mar 05 20:29:04 that's a paypal thing, then, not a Palm thing :p Mar 05 20:29:25 well here in germany i don't Mar 05 20:29:36 but you could use my paypal account if you like Mar 05 20:31:24 I also had to give Paypal a CC Mar 05 20:31:37 Wish I had a virtual card number option on my cc Mar 05 20:31:42 so I could close it immediately. Mar 05 20:31:46 Paypal makes me nervous Mar 05 20:32:13 been using paypal since 2001 when it first started, never had any issues Mar 05 20:32:29 yeah, it's not really that bad Mar 05 20:32:30 I've had my account violated at least once Mar 05 20:32:36 violated? Mar 05 20:32:52 Password hacked somehow, at least that was what paypal told me. Mar 05 20:33:04 Never had issues with any other sites that I'm aware of Mar 05 20:33:19 most of the time thats from a keylogger on your system, or a dictionary password Mar 05 20:33:28 Yeah, except no and no Mar 05 20:33:39 1) was probably a simple password, or 2) Paypal is probably a lot higher profile than most any other site Mar 05 20:33:46 I think #2 Mar 05 20:33:52 SiLeNt_NiNjA1, are you in livonia? Mar 05 20:34:01 dawm - farmington hills Mar 05 20:34:22 close enough :P Mar 05 20:34:31 haha - your local as well i assume? Mar 05 20:34:42 im about 5minutes from metro airport Mar 05 20:35:07 hanging out w/ all the romulans eh? Mar 05 20:35:11 lol Mar 05 20:35:21 theres a strange amount of webos guys from MI Mar 05 20:35:41 i havnt run into many of em Mar 05 20:35:49 but then again, im a stealthy webos guy Mar 05 20:36:03 i know theres atleast 3 or 4 others, but i cant recall any names Mar 05 20:36:04 i pop around when interesting things are going on, or im trying to figure something out Mar 05 20:36:06 and i think rmx dave moved Mar 05 20:36:24 oh yeah connor (voogle guy) is in grand rapids Mar 05 20:36:54 we shouldve car pooled to nyc dev day! Mar 05 20:36:58 woulda saved gas anyway Mar 05 20:37:26 i wish i went, instead i went to the feb 9th thing Mar 05 20:37:36 ah Mar 05 20:37:39 i always have somethign going on when they annouce dev day that i cant get out of Mar 05 20:37:44 im kicking my dev day pre 2 atm Mar 05 20:38:07 cant get data access on it after putting in a donor comm board and running meta doctor Mar 05 20:40:20 going to nyc is the easiest dev day trip for me, since i have relatives in the area, i stay free Mar 05 20:49:24 will they send a dev phone to canada Mar 05 20:49:51 yup Mar 05 20:50:07 i'm sure theres some sort of catch Mar 05 20:50:22 like what Mar 05 20:50:23 on the free ones or the discount ones? Mar 05 20:50:38 ive got a free one here, and there was no catch Mar 05 20:51:17 i bet when they see that you don't submit any apps they will put you on "the list" Mar 05 20:51:35 dunno about that, ive submitted apps Mar 05 20:51:50 well i didnt know there were two options! now i have to go researching it'd be pretty cool to not develop on an emulator Mar 05 20:52:34 they were offering a $200 discount coupon to all dev's who applied Mar 05 20:52:50 is that 200$ on an unlocked phone? Mar 05 20:52:58 they are offering limited quantities of free devices as well. Youll have to email chuq pdc@palm.com - for more info Mar 05 20:53:07 yeah, gsm unlocked Mar 05 20:54:10 wooo awesome Mar 05 20:56:26 SiLeNt_NiNjA1, thats the wrong email Mar 05 20:56:47 devmarketing@palm.com Mar 05 20:57:33 ive always seen chuq just say to email him @pdc, but both should work :) Mar 05 20:58:09 the free pixi/pre plus for qualified devs was at the pdc email, but the pre2 one is the devmarketing one Mar 05 20:58:24 my guess is they have a specific group for developer marketing stuff now Mar 05 20:59:11 probably, i didnt go after another free pre 2 since they gave me one at dev day Mar 05 20:59:23 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2129 Mar 05 20:59:45 That tells me the pdc email is the one to send to Mar 05 20:59:53 yeah for the coupon Mar 05 21:00:06 but their also offering 'to qualified developers' a free pre2 Mar 05 21:00:23 a recent dev newsletter said to email the devmarketing one for the free pre2 Mar 05 21:00:38 yeah for the free one it was devmarketing Mar 05 21:00:45 To help out, we are extending our free Pre 2 program to all qualified developers. Contact us at devmarketing@palm.com to see how you can receive the latest device to test your apps. Mar 05 21:01:37 Qualifications MUST include : 4 years experience with all of the following : Windows 7, WebOS, HTML5, CSS3 Mar 05 21:01:51 :) Mar 05 21:02:04 1 year of each is enough if it adds up to 4 Mar 05 21:02:29 none of which has been around for 4 years ;p Mar 05 21:02:37 haha Mar 05 21:03:35 alright, who here has NOT seen that type of req on a job posting? Mar 05 21:04:23 a few years ago i saw a job posting that said "you must have 25 experience with linux to apply" Mar 05 21:04:33 25 years** Mar 05 21:04:39 usually it is like this: we looking for a young person with many years experience Mar 05 21:04:48 exactly! Mar 05 21:05:08 then I answer: here you havea old chap with no experience Mar 05 21:05:54 a young person with many years expierence to work for Burger King pay. Mar 05 21:06:40 haha, esp w/ the economy the way it is today Mar 05 21:06:49 the bad part is, theyll probably find one who will Mar 05 21:07:56 well you have no choice in some situations Mar 05 21:09:02 i'm a network admin and not making all that much but there are no other jobs Mar 05 21:09:37 im an IT guy / automation controls programmer for a small company Mar 05 21:09:46 small companies arnt paying much either :/ Mar 05 21:10:27 odd - my sprint pre 2 conversion can make / receive calls, send / receive texts, but cant get data Mar 05 21:11:41 hey i've got another question that i think i know the answer to. in the 2.0 emulator, i cant go on app catalog, or sign into the messaging app. I'm guessing that was blocked on purpose? Mar 05 21:13:03 if you have EA, you should ask there Mar 05 21:13:12 the 2.0 emu is still under NDA Mar 05 21:13:58 the app catalog doesn't work without a profile Mar 05 21:14:03 but in general, any device that has had the first use app skipped is the same Mar 05 21:15:30 i'm still learning webos so i'm a noob :-( haha Mar 05 21:15:56 did they move the first use app or something is was in the launcher Mar 05 21:16:06 the quickest way to learn - ssh in to your device and run "rm -rf /" Mar 05 21:16:07 :-D Mar 05 21:16:16 Mar 05 21:16:20 HAH Mar 05 21:16:38 easiest way is to just re-doctor Mar 05 21:16:48 or preware has a launcher for it iirc Mar 05 21:16:51 i'm a noob to webos…not technology haha Mar 05 21:17:45 maybe i should publish WebOS Russian Roulette for the bash terminal Mar 05 21:17:48 [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo "You live" Mar 05 21:17:53 :) Mar 05 21:18:31 haha Mar 05 21:19:34 howdy everyone Mar 05 21:19:58 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 tips cowboy hat Mar 05 21:35:36 MetaView: they want a 20yrs old with 10 years working-experience Mar 05 21:35:44 ;) Mar 05 21:36:41 exactly!! Mar 05 21:40:19 or a 10yr old w/ 20yrs working experience Mar 05 21:40:25 whichever they find first Mar 05 21:43:13 i started development with 15... didn't you all too? Mar 05 21:43:23 joetweeply: I did :) Mar 05 21:44:15 joetweeply: hmm. do you mean 15 years of experience, or started at age 15? Mar 05 21:45:07 i started at age 15.. so that is 13 years experience for me Mar 05 21:45:27 nice Mar 05 21:45:32 yeah, I started at 15 Mar 05 21:45:39 plus i develop professionally Mar 05 21:45:51 and just submitted my 4th app Mar 05 21:46:18 oh yeah? what apps have you made? Mar 05 21:46:27 just games yet Mar 05 21:46:39 but i'm also working on a small todo app, mostly for myself though Mar 05 21:46:59 I have > 20 apps Mar 05 21:47:14 whoa Mar 05 21:47:17 I'm the brighthouse of the appcat Mar 05 21:47:20 do you do it full time? Mar 05 21:47:25 nope Mar 05 21:47:39 then you're dedicated Mar 05 21:47:41 just too much ideas Mar 05 21:47:58 Bleh, I'm learning more about Android development than I ever wanted to. Mar 05 21:48:51 though my first choice is still palm development since the bad news on feb9th i started to branch out to apple too Mar 05 21:49:27 apple takes to much $$$ invested Mar 05 21:50:03 ive kindve put everything on hold after the 9th Mar 05 21:50:13 why bother developing for a framework thats dying Mar 05 21:50:27 dying? in 5 years maybe Mar 05 21:50:37 or one that will change weekly Mar 05 21:50:54 itll last awhile in emulation mode, sure Mar 05 21:51:01 how long, who knows Mar 05 21:51:17 MetaView: mojo is not lasting 5 years Mar 05 21:51:22 1 or 2 max. Mar 05 21:51:31 either way, ill either do pdk stuff or just wait Mar 05 21:51:58 id guess close to 2 at best as well Mar 05 21:54:09 Tibfib: more than 1 year for sure Mar 05 21:54:21 not 5. Mar 05 21:54:46 but in 5 years no one will speak about the old apps anymore, maybe Mar 05 21:57:39 some stuff is usefull for a long time Mar 05 21:57:50 utilities and conversion apps are a perfect example Mar 05 21:58:03 can be usefull w/ updates for a decade even! Mar 05 21:58:06 w/o* Mar 05 21:59:48 nad why do you think they will remove mojo from the OS? Mar 05 22:00:06 it'll be gone in 4.0 Mar 05 22:00:08 maybe when they have 100k apps, but it doesn't look like Mar 05 22:00:24 Tibfib: why are you that sure? Mar 05 22:00:29 they said as much Mar 05 22:00:31 why would they keep it? Mar 05 22:00:41 they don't WANT people to use mojo, so they're not going to enable them Mar 05 22:00:41 itll be there for the forseeable future, but eventually itll be removed Mar 05 22:00:42 and why do you know 4.0 will come before 2 years if at all? Mar 05 22:00:49 touchpad will run them in emultion mode Mar 05 22:00:59 they know, they need apps Mar 05 22:01:01 MetaView: I never said that... Mar 05 22:01:03 no, not emulation mode Mar 05 22:01:54 and besides, patterns would dictate 4.0 will be announced within 2 years Mar 05 22:03:53 whatever it takes to keep the version number up with android ;) Mar 05 22:04:00 haha Mar 05 22:05:21 But the TouchPad and other 3.0 devices will still be able to run older Mojo apps, but there�s a catch. The older apps won�t be able to access all of the scalable UI goodness that is Enyo, and they�ll have to run in a UI emulation window that will provide buttons to simulate the gesture area. Mar 05 22:05:29 http://www.precentral.net/hp-webos-3-0-what-we-know-what-we-don-t Mar 05 22:05:38 most recent mention of it I saw Mar 05 22:06:28 I wonder if the emulation window will be pre1-2 resolution or pre3 Mar 05 22:06:31 they run native, but they have the buttons for the gesture area around Mar 05 22:06:50 and they will run in 320x480 or maybe slightly bigger (like the Pre3) Mar 05 22:07:22