**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 02:59:57 2011 Mar 06 03:15:08 can the pre receive internet via bluetooth? Mar 06 03:18:17 PatrickC_Pixi: not out-of-the-box afaik. But if linux can do it, then you can make your pre do it as well Mar 06 03:18:36 it could be non-trivial though Mar 06 03:19:27 I'm having issues with an x-mojo-element="List" inside a drawer Mar 06 03:21:27 madnificent: what's the issue? Mar 06 03:30:24 lol. I got a one sentence email in french. Google translated it and it says: "Your application is not working" Mar 06 03:33:33 lol Mar 06 03:36:40 Tibfib: lmao Mar 06 03:46:18 so when does palm deposit money into paypal accounts? Mar 06 04:00:39 late in the month... 20th or later. Mar 06 04:01:07 ah Mar 06 04:01:12 thanks Mar 06 04:26:36 chart of total downloads: http://img195.imageshack.us/i/screenshotumy.png/ Mar 06 04:28:03 includes Myles, Done! and Noted! Mar 06 04:28:36 :/ we need more webOS users Mar 06 04:28:43 yep Mar 06 04:28:44 yes, we do Mar 06 04:28:57 bought an ipad for the in-laws this afternoon. Mar 06 04:29:14 oh my gosh. people that beg others to follow them on twitter are pathetic. Mar 06 04:29:19 72-year old father-in-law will use it for "reading his papers" Mar 06 04:29:26 haeffb: nice Mar 06 04:29:31 the $400 one? Mar 06 04:29:47 guys webossinternals is dead I'm on 2.1 looking for overclock kernel .. I only see palm kernel Mar 06 04:29:53 i.e. St. Louis Post sports pages & mlb.com Mar 06 04:29:55 yep Mar 06 04:30:01 joebpre: add the kernel testing feed. Mar 06 04:30:51 he also wanted Spider Solitaire Mar 06 04:31:05 haeffb: iPad2 is just around the corner Mar 06 04:31:12 like March 11th Mar 06 04:31:16 yep Mar 06 04:31:42 he's having knee replacement this week and needed something to do while he lays around Mar 06 04:31:47 and can't sit at his computer Mar 06 04:31:59 I don't think a 72 year old will care too much that he didn't get an iPad 2. Mar 06 04:32:07 so it couldn't wait for the Touchpad Mar 06 04:32:38 off to bed. laterz. Mar 06 04:33:00 night Mar 06 04:33:39 cya Mar 06 04:33:47 hows it goin tibfib? Mar 06 04:33:57 good! and yourself? Mar 06 04:34:14 pretty good Mar 06 04:34:25 I just can't get my app to work :'( Mar 06 04:34:36 welcome to app development Mar 06 04:35:21 thanks Mar 06 04:35:23 lol Mar 06 04:38:26 if you said anything to me within the past few minutes, then could you please repeat it? pixi locked up and needed a tripple-toggle-reset Mar 06 04:38:43 thanks Mar 06 04:39:05 no one has said anything :) Mar 06 04:39:57 kk Mar 06 04:39:59 lol Mar 06 04:40:37 I really need to figure out how to connect the pre to internet via bluetooth... Mar 06 04:41:52 tibfib: if I send you a .zip of my app, do you have time to look at it? Mar 06 04:42:04 not tonight, sorry Mar 06 04:42:11 that's fine Mar 06 04:42:15 trying to squash a bug, then I'm off to bed Mar 06 04:42:19 how's koto lite comin? Mar 06 04:42:31 I hate bugs... :k Mar 06 04:42:35 good! it's done Mar 06 04:42:42 released yet? Mar 06 04:42:44 PatrickC_Pre: do you know what logging is? Mar 06 04:42:49 on it's way to release Mar 06 04:42:51 yea Mar 06 04:43:00 watch the logs Mar 06 04:43:01 and the log shows nothing.... Mar 06 04:43:06 hmm Mar 06 04:43:10 yea Mar 06 04:43:13 is it a logic error? or a coding error? Mar 06 04:43:18 the app works fine Mar 06 04:43:24 except for the appmenu Mar 06 04:43:50 what doesn't work about it? Mar 06 04:43:53 I have a button that pushes a scene that the app menu also pushes, the button works Mar 06 04:44:05 the appmenu pushes the index.html Mar 06 04:45:43 hmm Mar 06 04:48:19 any ideas? Mar 06 04:48:55 that's what I'm thinking Mar 06 04:54:19 I hate it when my apps break :'( Mar 06 05:01:31 night everyone Mar 06 05:01:40 night Mar 06 06:21:35 Can anybody try this stream on your webos phone: http://u14.di.fm:80/di_trance Mar 06 07:19:16 Hrm, it would be nice if that latitude bug when using GPS in the southern hemisphere was fixed. Mar 06 07:22:03 After all, 395 degrees north is a tad off. Mar 06 07:48:48 anyone here work with advanced config for app launcher? Mar 06 07:49:38 I keep getting ''failed hunk'' when trying to apply the patch Mar 06 07:52:29 I can email anyone that is interested the ipkg log Mar 06 07:52:51 or whatever it is called Mar 06 08:07:52 DJNomad: remove all other patches before applying Advanced Configuration patches. Mar 06 10:05:58 'morning MetaView! Mar 06 10:10:40 g'morning dkirker Mar 06 10:10:46 still awake? Mar 06 10:10:55 or changed timezones? Mar 06 10:13:37 still awake Mar 06 10:13:50 going to stay that way, for a while Mar 06 10:13:54 lots of start up work Mar 06 10:14:51 how are you doing? Mar 06 10:25:06 I'm fine, just checking earworm, gets catched in a redirecting loop Mar 06 10:25:44 wonder what I haven't understand in http communication... Mar 06 10:29:02 hmmm Mar 06 10:29:09 * dkirker has been working on Universe for webOS Mar 06 10:29:15 cool Mar 06 10:29:50 doing your own rendering in c++? Mar 06 10:29:54 nope Mar 06 10:30:01 using webviews? Mar 06 10:30:04 yeah Mar 06 10:30:09 ah cool Mar 06 10:30:26 I could do a PDK app, but I figure that a web browser running in a web browser would be overkill Mar 06 10:30:33 one question: there is wget and what's the other tool to download webpages? Mar 06 10:30:54 PDK isn't runnning in a webbrwoser Mar 06 10:31:03 it's native linux Mar 06 10:32:28 it's still a plugin, unless I were to do an OpenGL app Mar 06 10:32:43 no, the SDL is not a plugin Mar 06 10:32:57 look at earworm, Image Worker, they are all standalone Mar 06 10:33:28 when you go into card mode you see, that the browser just cuts a whole for the underlying SDL disply into the frambuffer Mar 06 10:33:34 looks quite funny Mar 06 10:33:38 that's what I am saying Mar 06 10:33:49 sorry s/OpenGL/SDL/ Mar 06 10:34:44 I rpbaboyl (<- that was supposed to say "probably") should go to bed... Mar 06 10:45:58 ;) Mar 06 10:46:06 which time is it for you? Mar 06 10:46:25 2:45a :o Mar 06 12:02:46 Tibfib: I went to sleep, my bad :) Mar 06 12:02:57 Tibfib: and I don't think I had a question at that point in time Mar 06 13:09:14 I see many mentions of a BasicService example in the SDK. I do not see this in the SDK. Can someone direct me to it? Mar 06 13:13:44 hi Mar 06 13:50:02 good morning Mar 06 15:57:21 what could be the cause of the datamodel of widgets not being updated? Mar 06 15:58:00 if I set different values in them and call controller.modelChanged on them, then the widgets do get updated by the new model Mar 06 15:58:08 but why wouldn't the input from the user be translated back? Mar 06 16:08:26 haeffb: !! you are smart !! I need your webos brain Mar 06 16:15:32 yay! someone finally recognized me!!! Mar 06 16:22:10 madnificent: what, perchance, did you need Mar 06 16:23:28 haeffb: :p Mar 06 16:24:42 haeffb: well, I have a TextField widget. When I update the model, the widget gets updated, but not the other way around... Mar 06 16:25:30 working as designed Mar 06 16:25:32 haeffb: and clearly, my webos-skill stat is way too low at this point in the game. So I lack the mojo to have a clue what the issue may be Mar 06 16:26:00 you're saying that if you change the text in the widget, then model.value doesn't change? Mar 06 16:26:09 yes indeed Mar 06 16:26:35 what's your setupWidget look like? Mar 06 16:27:07 may I paste it here? Mar 06 16:27:13 www.pastebin.com Mar 06 16:27:27 http://www.pastebin.com Mar 06 16:27:38 http://pastebin.com/g2LueawN Mar 06 16:27:39 http://webos.pastebin.com Mar 06 16:27:45 http://www.pastie.org Mar 06 16:29:04 this.dataModels.nameModel.value = ??? Mar 06 16:29:31 is not updated Mar 06 16:30:46 it's set dynamically, it's a string containing something like "@home", but being set dynamically, it can be anything Mar 06 16:30:53 you have setup this.dataModels = {}; Mar 06 16:31:10 nameModel : { value : "" } Mar 06 16:31:22 (that's the nameModel in the dataModel Mar 06 16:31:45 however, strange thing: when I update that dataModel and signal it to the controller, then it does update the textfield, just not vice-versa Mar 06 16:31:55 no errors from the setupWidget call? Mar 06 16:32:01 it looks OK Mar 06 16:33:26 is it dataModel(s) ? plural or singular? Mar 06 16:34:52 I have a nameModel and a an enabledModel in there Mar 06 16:35:35 is the name dataModel or dataModels ? Mar 06 16:35:41 dataModels Mar 06 16:35:46 ok Mar 06 16:36:20 can you do: this.dataModels.nameModel.value = "test"; this.controller.modelChanged(this.dataModels.nameModel); ? Mar 06 16:36:52 * sugardave lives. Mar 06 16:37:10 my in-laws' router sucks Mar 06 16:37:12 haeffb: ahm sorry Mar 06 16:37:19 haeffb: my bug must be elsewhere Mar 06 16:37:32 how so? Mar 06 16:37:35 sugardave!!! Mar 06 16:37:37 I just tried to re-read it in a different portion of the code and there it does work, so the reading was in fact correct Mar 06 16:37:48 sorry to waste your time :( (and mine too, this has taken me quite some time) Mar 06 16:38:12 no worries, mate. Mar 06 16:38:46 sugardave: want me to ship you a brand new cisco WRT120N ? Mar 06 16:39:12 I bought it last week then decided I don't need it. Mar 06 16:39:18 by the time it gets here, I will be long gone Mar 06 16:40:20 sugardave: where are you at? Mar 06 16:40:49 I got an iPad for the in-laws yesterday Mar 06 16:41:01 currently I'm in Vidor, TX....you don't want to be in Vidor Mar 06 16:41:07 so f-i-l can read his "papers" Mar 06 16:41:18 and play spider solitaire Mar 06 16:41:24 heh, and m-i-l can watch her stories Mar 06 16:43:34 strange, I try to set the value of an object this.context.name = "TEST"; then I log this.context.name and it returns me the previous value, not the one I just set... Mar 06 16:43:48 haeffb: cool :) Mar 06 16:43:53 haeffb: 1 or 2 ? Mar 06 16:44:33 ah 2 is not here yet :) Mar 06 16:45:37 1 Mar 06 16:48:29 * madnificent wonders how he'd put a pad to use Mar 06 16:48:47 I have a tablet pc which is already quite nice to use, but it's vastly different Mar 06 16:48:52 give it to the in-laws. they were like little kids yesterday Mar 06 16:52:33 sugardave, is it a walmart special router? Mar 06 16:53:29 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: actually, I think my m-i-l's lame-ass live-in boyfriend's son got it from a bank for opening a checking account Mar 06 16:53:31 yeehaw Mar 06 16:53:45 ouch Mar 06 16:53:47 even worse Mar 06 16:54:00 2wire? Mar 06 16:55:08 hell no, some weird shit I've never heard of Mar 06 16:55:14 I think it's airlink or something like that Mar 06 16:55:22 you get about 17 hours of wifi connectivity Mar 06 16:55:27 the ethernet part seems to be okay Mar 06 16:55:36 hmm, is this possible: If give object hen I push the scene. Could it be that I'm not allowed to modify that object ? As in: that modifications don't take effect? Mar 06 16:56:07 madnificent: what do you do with the object when you pass it to the next scene...should save a reference to it in the constructor somehow Mar 06 16:56:24 bbl Mar 06 16:57:03 sugardave: I can access the object, that's not the problem. But if I modify it (eg. object.name = "foobar") and then request that variable again, it returns me the old value Mar 06 16:57:17 it's not a big deal, I hacked my way around it, but it does feel odd Mar 06 16:57:28 that is not correct Mar 06 16:57:48 so like: pushScene('newScene', myObject); Mar 06 16:57:58 yup Mar 06 16:58:27 function NewSceneAssistant (newArg) {this.passedObject = newArg}; Mar 06 16:58:32 yup Mar 06 16:58:47 now this.passedObject should be current, you should be able to change values in it, and they should update Mar 06 16:58:56 and then I do this.passedObject.name = "shabang!" and it doesn't update the field Mar 06 16:59:03 if it was in c/c++ id say sounds like a scope issue Mar 06 16:59:23 but idk that much about the newer js stuff :) Mar 06 16:59:26 perhaps I messed up something different :) Mar 06 16:59:26 console.log(this.passedObject.name) will not yield shabang! ? Mar 06 16:59:40 sugardave: no, it didn't Mar 06 16:59:49 that is wrong Mar 06 16:59:53 same thing Mar 06 16:59:57 just weird Mar 06 17:00:16 it may be something I've done wrong... I hacked my way around it so it's not a big deal Mar 06 17:00:34 I'll look into it more thoroughly if I ever need it again. It'll be easier to create a base case then :) Mar 06 17:00:41 that's the kind of shit that drives me insane Mar 06 17:01:43 sugardave: I hear you :) Mar 06 17:05:05 haeffb: I'm not sure what to do about your issue Mar 06 17:05:20 did you make this Ubuntu dual-boot or did you jump in all the way? Mar 06 17:05:27 dual Mar 06 17:06:31 does it work in Windows? Mar 06 17:06:41 :) Mar 06 17:07:06 HOTDP Mar 06 17:07:10 did you see this one: http://bit.ly/fgq8Ut Mar 06 17:07:12 Hey chef Mar 06 17:07:18 from webOSdev Mar 06 17:07:49 hmm Mar 06 17:08:04 i dont think that is a position for me Mar 06 17:08:06 not for me, but he tweeted it like 5 minutes after you went offline the other day Mar 06 17:08:51 I hope this will end up good Mar 06 17:09:12 me, too...it could end up REALLY good Mar 06 17:09:18 * sugardave crosses his fingers. Mar 06 17:09:22 me2 Mar 06 17:09:36 But i am a little confused about the chances Mar 06 17:10:04 yeah, we'll see...I wonder if my examples are being passed around and laughed at ;) Mar 06 17:15:21 hi Adora Mar 06 17:16:12 oops. I installed Default Palm Kernel from Testing Feed in Web 2.1 on Pre+. Now my phone won't start. :/ Mar 06 17:16:39 Doctor to the rescue? Mar 06 17:17:13 It's been booting for the last 20 minutes. Mar 06 17:17:57 hehe Mar 06 17:18:04 sounds like a dr to me Mar 06 17:18:09 i just hoped they look at what i wrote :S Mar 06 17:18:41 I shouldn't turned off Error checking in Palm Pre. I forget what the correct name of the setting is. Mar 06 17:19:26 The song, Living On The Edge, comes to mind. Mar 06 17:19:29 is there any work been done on getting openVPN to work on the webos ? Mar 06 17:20:29 SimpsonCH, WebOS 2.1 has some kind of software VPN built into it. I haven't tried it yet. Mar 06 17:20:56 yup, thats why I ask, would be nice if someone did extra protocol support Mar 06 17:21:24 lets ask c3po Mar 06 17:21:30 protocol is his specialty Mar 06 17:21:38 Mar 06 17:24:51 http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/277572-pre-dont-boot-after-govnah-uberkernel-update.html Mar 06 17:25:21 sugardave: do you need a new car? Mar 06 17:27:47 give him a bright yellow pinto Mar 06 17:39:06 re-doctoring now... because of... Mar 06 17:39:07 http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/277572-pre-dont-boot-after-govnah-uberkernel-update.html Mar 06 17:40:32 your pre didnt have an apple today, did it? Mar 06 17:57:59 hotdp: what kind of car? :) Mar 06 18:02:45 sugardave: http://www.bilbasen.dk/brugt/bil/vw/lupo/12-tdi-3l/662662/ Mar 06 18:03:20 * madnificent wouldn't swap his car for that, ever Mar 06 18:03:43 madnificent: from usa? Mar 06 18:03:47 (no offense to those that prefer transport over fun) Mar 06 18:03:51 hotdp: europe :) Mar 06 18:03:55 ok Mar 06 18:04:05 its a very cheap car Mar 06 18:04:15 hotdp: what's that in euros? Mar 06 18:04:19 it drives many miles everyday Mar 06 18:04:40 ~7300 Mar 06 18:04:46 thing is: they virtually don't consume any fuel... but I couldn't live without driving pleasure Mar 06 18:04:48 where are you from ? Mar 06 18:04:52 hotdp: belgium Mar 06 18:04:55 oki Mar 06 18:05:04 we have 180% tax on cars here in Denmark Mar 06 18:05:17 So "fun" car is kind of ALOT of money Mar 06 18:05:21 hotdp: if you can get it on LPG (I did), an old e30 is great fun Mar 06 18:05:32 But i am selling to get a more fun car Mar 06 18:05:46 hotdp: needn't be! a smart roadster should be awesome in its unpracticality and fun (and it should be dirt-cheap on tax) Mar 06 18:05:52 i like my sleeper car Mar 06 18:05:57 a 92 toyota cressida Mar 06 18:05:59 yer but my gf has alot of miles to work.. so mpg > fun Mar 06 18:06:08 see it on the rd, think oh, just an old corolla Mar 06 18:06:21 till i hit the gas, and you find out it has the same drivetrain from the supra :) Mar 06 18:06:59 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: <3 supra Mar 06 18:07:11 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: that's why I always wanted an infiniti I30 Mar 06 18:07:25 hotdp: I understand, I bought myself a 1.8 for that reason :) (price) Mar 06 18:08:04 I'm still driving my $900 volvo though..5 years now.. Mar 06 18:08:47 i also found it hard in that cressida to drive the speed where i get the best gas mileage Mar 06 18:08:57 best mileage == lowest rpm at highest gear Mar 06 18:09:09 the lowest speed i could hit the top gear at was 95mph :-P Mar 06 18:09:19 I've heard corvettes are quite good at that Mar 06 18:09:41 well, the car would do it np Mar 06 18:09:49 but piggies all over is the problem :\ Mar 06 18:10:44 Loudergood: which type? Mar 06 18:11:11 it's an old 740 wagon Mar 06 18:11:17 hotdp: my wife would love to have that car...but she doesn't control the finances for major purchases :P Mar 06 18:11:33 fun as hell in the winter for how little power it has Mar 06 18:11:42 Loudergood <3 Mar 06 18:11:56 Loudergood: it's RWD, right? Mar 06 18:12:03 yup Mar 06 18:12:08 well, actually, I know that... but I wanted to point out that I love that Mar 06 18:12:09 and the wheelbase is loooong Mar 06 18:12:29 so it's really stable and predictable Mar 06 18:12:36 sugardave: haha Mar 06 18:12:36 when I let the tail out Mar 06 18:12:59 practice makes perfect! (don't tell the cops I told you that) Mar 06 18:13:03 sugardave: we have 50/50 on the money :S Mar 06 18:14:10 what i love about having a few hundred rear wheel horse, is the drifting :-D Mar 06 18:14:23 when you get all 4 tires sliding, you know its a good day :) Mar 06 18:15:02 that's why I like winter ;) Mar 06 18:15:27 and large empty mall parking lots Mar 06 18:15:38 dont get any of those near the city here Mar 06 18:15:41 hotdp: that damn car gets about 3x better gas mileage than our best one Mar 06 18:17:08 Loudergood: we don't have those Mar 06 18:17:32 Loudergood: or do you mean outside? We do have those. But we have a short winter... but it's a fun one nonetheless Mar 06 18:17:42 yes outside Mar 06 18:17:44 sugardave: yer that the good thing Mar 06 18:17:48 winter is long here Mar 06 18:17:55 supposed to get another foot of snow today Mar 06 18:19:16 we got a cpl inches last night Mar 06 18:19:20 dunno when more snow is coming Mar 06 18:19:37 MI winters are more predictable than NJ winters tho Mar 06 18:19:47 a few years back we got 6ft of snow in april Mar 06 19:03:04 hay all Mar 06 19:04:50 you scarred them all away Mar 06 19:05:02 before you came in, over 100 ppl were chatting furiously Mar 06 19:05:03 I do that alot Mar 06 19:05:08 FURIOUSLY i tell you!! Mar 06 19:05:15 I see nothing Mar 06 19:05:26 cause you scarred them all away Mar 06 19:05:37 * PatrickC_Pre I'm not actually here, this is a robot Mar 06 19:06:03 * PatrickC_Pre everyone continue as normal Mar 06 19:07:00 maybe they all fell off a cliff? Mar 06 19:07:15 or silent netsplit Mar 06 19:07:28 yup, could be Mar 06 19:08:20 I'm going with netsplit Mar 06 19:09:01 how's it goin SiLeNt_NiNjA Mar 06 19:09:29 could be better Mar 06 19:09:38 that doesnt sound good Mar 06 19:09:44 tried a sprint pre 2 conversion, and couldnt get data access Mar 06 19:09:58 put the comm board back in the donor pre, and redoctored it Mar 06 19:10:02 still no data access Mar 06 19:10:05 stinks Mar 06 19:10:25 bypassed first activation, ran a prl / network update, then did the quick tests - modem error 20 Mar 06 19:10:30 basically, no data access!! Mar 06 19:10:33 hurrah! Mar 06 19:10:44 no data FTW!! lol Mar 06 19:10:58 i rely on tethering at work Mar 06 19:11:07 so its back to my original pre- i go Mar 06 19:11:26 all hackery and testing has been done on spare hw Mar 06 19:12:38 brb Mar 06 19:12:41 lunch time Mar 06 19:14:22 dont forget my share!! Mar 06 19:18:41 has anyone succefully got webossdk on fedora .. if so can you pm me or something .. i've tried webos-internals guide and some internet guides .. no luck Mar 06 19:18:57 its like your on linux / no ubuntu then no go Mar 06 20:02:10 Josef_B: doesn't defora have a way to convert .deb files to those fedora uses (I think the debian alternative for that is alien, but I'm not sure) Mar 06 20:03:02 Josef_B: it's possible that you have to install the dependencies manually, but I think they are limited to virtualbox (you should have that available in fedora) and novacom (which is availble as a .deb as well) Mar 06 20:04:23 Any clue why I would be getting "require is not defined" in my node.js service? If I run it in the terminal it works as expected. Mar 06 20:11:11 Hey Mar 06 20:11:30 GOOD news I'm getting palm pre 2 thank you palm Mar 06 20:12:19 SonnyDickson: grats :) Mar 06 20:12:45 SonnyDickson, when did you get the news ? Mar 06 20:13:04 Palm sent me a email 2 days ago and said I could have one ;) Mar 06 20:13:10 grats Mar 06 20:13:19 SonnyDickson: what did you have to do for it? Mar 06 20:13:42 Be a developer Mar 06 20:13:43 gratz Mar 06 20:14:11 I guess that'll only work for devs that have been devving for some time now... but congrats! Mar 06 20:14:27 did you try madnificent? Mar 06 20:14:48 joetweeply: I have yet to submit my first app into the catalog (if I even get that far, having no credit card) Mar 06 20:15:10 but they probably won't do it for new devs. At least, I assume so Mar 06 20:15:12 ah that was you Mar 06 20:15:31 yesterday i submitted my 4th app Mar 06 20:15:49 I'm not full developer I only developer one app on iOS Mar 06 20:16:07 joetweeply: you submitted the pdk game app, right? Mar 06 20:16:07 i'll port my current app to iOS Mar 06 20:16:12 yup that was me ^^ Mar 06 20:16:18 joetweeply: did you mail palm/hp for the pre2? Mar 06 20:16:23 yeah i did Mar 06 20:16:43 i wait for response yet Mar 06 20:17:10 * madnificent wonders what SonnyDickson had to do for it Mar 06 20:17:20 i guess just mail and wait Mar 06 20:17:25 gotta go, bb soon :) Mar 06 20:17:37 cya Mar 06 20:24:12 sugardave: did you got your pre2 or an id? Mar 06 20:25:27 !!! Mar 06 20:25:46 madnificent, he bribed top HPalm officials Mar 06 21:01:00 hay all Mar 06 21:09:36 quiet in here today Mar 06 21:16:00 trying to force things to work that might not work Mar 06 21:24:36 * dkirker screams for ENYO! Mar 06 21:24:45 mattsmcnulty: there, better? Mar 06 21:25:00 I always approve of screaming for stuff I made Mar 06 21:25:28 if you all were going to buy an android phone right now, which one would you get, ignoring carrier? Mar 06 21:25:53 probably the shift, since it has a hardware keyboard Mar 06 21:25:56 and slides out Mar 06 21:25:59 the one who had the largest screen and didn't have the worst UI? Mar 06 21:27:59 Can anyone help me with uninstalling a patch that is not marked as 'installed' in Preware? Mar 06 21:28:22 if you try to install it in preware, what happens? Mar 06 21:29:40 Install error; Lemme go get it real quick. Mar 06 21:32:19 Under Postinst it says: Unable to run command IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT(etc) then Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] Mar 06 21:33:25 you could either replace the affected files manually, if you have backups anywhere Mar 06 21:33:36 or the easy (or hard?) way - redoctor Mar 06 21:33:54 Where are the files saved for device menu? Mar 06 21:34:15 was the patch installed with preware? Mar 06 21:35:02 Yep. Mar 06 21:35:22 Advanced System Menus Framework (VZW) Mar 06 21:37:14 If at all possible, avoiding a doctor would be nice, but the possibility is open if nothing else. Mar 06 21:41:22 besides locating the affected files from the vzw doctor and reapplying them manually Mar 06 21:41:51 im not sure where / if a backup is on the device tbh, never needed it so i never looked :\ Mar 06 21:43:19 I tried Emergency Patch Recovery, but it had no change to this specific patch. Mar 06 21:44:05