**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 07 02:59:57 2011 Mar 07 04:47:38 Tib you there? Mar 07 04:56:39 metaview: you here? Mar 07 05:02:42 srry pre locked up Mar 07 05:04:09 how is everyone? Mar 07 05:38:50 how's everyone doin? Mar 07 05:50:27 night all Mar 07 07:05:26 wb all net splitters Mar 07 07:18:14 morning Mar 07 12:42:44 grm... is there a way to make novaterm not die when the window size changes? Mar 07 14:04:32 tds? i didnt know they were in MI Mar 07 14:06:29 yup, t1 circuits Mar 07 14:07:52 they run em through livonia and plymoth, not sure where else Mar 07 15:14:53 hmm Mar 07 15:14:59 anyone speaking vietnamese? Mar 07 15:15:01 HP TouchPad emerges from the Vietnames wids, sporting SIM slot: http://engt.co/e2QLea (via @engadget) #webos Mar 07 15:16:49 hehe Mar 07 15:16:51 Yes Mar 07 15:16:58 He says "stereo" Mar 07 15:18:33 he also says micro usb Mar 07 15:18:35 :P Mar 07 15:18:55 haha Mar 07 15:29:40 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/googles-self-driving-cars-take-ted-attendees-for-a-wild-ride/ Mar 07 15:29:41 nice Mar 07 15:46:34 swisstomcat, I understood "micro USB" :) Mar 07 15:56:46 hey Mar 07 15:59:21 The same company that makes iPad in China makes TouchPad. Mar 07 15:59:39 foxconn? Mar 07 16:00:19 scoinva: are you trying to imply something? Mar 07 16:02:45 madnificent: just that HP is making good moves right now. Mar 07 16:03:22 scoinva: there's not all that many different choices they have for ODM Mar 07 16:03:29 maybe HP can pull a Microsoft. Mar 07 16:03:59 if you look at the xoom reviews, HP should make it better Mar 07 16:04:00 scoinva: in what sense? (also: I didn't even get if you meant it positive or negative, I think it's neutral) Mar 07 16:04:02 software-wise Mar 07 16:05:52 I have high hopes for HP. Mar 07 16:06:04 they just need to execute Mar 07 16:06:16 i can see good signs Mar 07 16:06:27 but the proof is in the deliverable Mar 07 16:06:49 they will. It takes a little time to get the big machine spun up. Mar 07 16:06:49 * madnificent was a tad disappointed with the gui of tablet Mar 07 16:07:12 in what area? Mar 07 16:07:23 all areas. Mar 07 16:08:09 they have a great running start. Mar 07 16:08:52 they have some good areas to set them apart from other offerings Mar 07 16:09:00 touch-to-share Mar 07 16:09:08 phone-tablet communication Mar 07 16:09:21 card multitasking Mar 07 16:09:23 swisstomcat: the notifications aren't as nice as they used to be, the mail app didn't use the slide gesture to delete mails Mar 07 16:09:25 enyo Mar 07 16:09:28 swisstomcat: these little things Mar 07 16:09:41 swisstomcat: the removal of the gesture area is arguably rediculous Mar 07 16:09:48 yeah, if you come from the phone the gestures are something that will be missed Mar 07 16:10:04 but many people also were confused by the gestures Mar 07 16:10:07 thing with the gestures is: they map to the tablet perfectly, you just have to do it Mar 07 16:10:28 well, if you're betting on webos, then you'll drop those users and bet on the others Mar 07 16:10:32 who know's what the thoughts behind the removal were Mar 07 16:10:39 thing is: if you remove them, webos sucks Mar 07 16:10:59 i wouldn't go as far Mar 07 16:11:14 I would, but the reason is quite subtle Mar 07 16:11:27 when you're using the pre, you're not commanding a piece of software Mar 07 16:11:43 you interact by manipulating some sort of stone. It all feels very naturally Mar 07 16:11:48 buttons simply don't feel natural Mar 07 16:11:54 gestures would not work the same way on a tablet as on a phone if they stayed the same Mar 07 16:12:00 but neither would gestures on a tablet Mar 07 16:12:10 2 handed use doesnt work as well with gestures Mar 07 16:12:17 it would be awkward and unnatural Mar 07 16:12:29 That, and your pretty much constantly holding the area where the gesture area would be Mar 07 16:12:50 cwayne: make all sides gesture areas and don't force the gesture to be used on the whole length of the screen and you're done Mar 07 16:13:12 madnificent: then thered be alot of false gestures when you're moving around Mar 07 16:13:22 thing is: you can't press a button without having a free hand either Mar 07 16:13:25 the issue with that is that, you know, you are always touching the gesture area Mar 07 16:13:34 halfhalo: exactly Mar 07 16:14:00 not really, it works on the phone, I think it's simply the calibration of how far the gesture area reaches and how you connect to it :) I think it is solvable Mar 07 16:14:14 madnificent: it works on the phone because you hold it differently Mar 07 16:14:28 your hand isnt touching the gesture area unless you want to Mar 07 16:14:35 on a tablet, you hold it from the 'gesture area' Mar 07 16:15:18 with buttons you make things a lot more complicated. A button now does something fancy. All normal things: select, next, back, move aren't presses of buttons. By going back to the button metaphore the seamlessness of the interaction drops Mar 07 16:16:00 cwayne: and you can discover that. A touch interface recognizes the pressed 'pixels', which could be translated to "holding" or "sliding with finger" Mar 07 16:16:27 * madnificent doesn't say that it is a trivial choice. He is saying that adding buttons everywhere is vastly more complicated. Mar 07 16:17:24 it feels very much like corporate decisions to me. I'm not saying that it may not be a good, or even the best, device out there. I'm saying that webos had much more potential than this. Mar 07 16:17:46 It wasn't a corporate decision, it was an engineers Mar 07 16:18:14 halfhalo: I think it shows that some influential people preferred not to work under the hp brand Mar 07 16:18:51 halfhalo: they took the easy way out: do that what everyone can imagine. I expect more, much more, of palm... because it's palm Mar 07 16:19:12 fwiw: i do _not_ dislike HP, nor palm, nor the tablet. I expected more of them. Mar 07 16:19:47 * halfhalo shrugs Mar 07 16:21:17 bbl Mar 07 16:21:27 Windows 8 is coming out. I'm sure WebOS 4 will improve on WebOS 3. :) Mar 07 16:21:53 scoinva: I'd still pick webos over any other tablet OS so far. For various reasons :) Mar 07 16:22:23 we still haven't really seen webos 3 Mar 07 16:24:04 Loudergood: we've seen them interact with it. And we know some of the specs of the device :) Mar 07 16:24:28 that's still quite limited Mar 07 16:26:31 Loudergood: regardless of all that, reasons for picking the touchpad are largely related to the good underlying base os, programming support, implicit creation of standards (or at least, so one could assume), big corporate backing that doesn't work on owning all of four data, ... Mar 07 16:26:40 at least for me Mar 07 16:52:55 Loudergood: any luck with PDK? Mar 07 17:09:55 * sugardave has to be the bad guy. "Some yahoo dumped 2 black lab puppies out here at my mother-in-law's house. I have to be the one to say we can't keep them." Mar 07 17:10:00 it's not even my damn house Mar 07 17:21:43 yo Mar 07 17:21:55 Hey Mar 07 17:28:39 well, I'll be damned...you can specify fractional values for flex Mar 07 17:29:10 for some reason I assumed you had to use whole numbers Mar 07 18:23:26 destinal, nah I gave up at one point Mar 07 18:24:00 but it was late Mar 07 18:24:08 and now I have today off, sort of Mar 07 18:24:12 because of this https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30850007&l=217531447c&id=160400191 Mar 07 18:40:40 Loudergood: ouch! Mar 07 18:42:34 I got it out, and parked it in the plowed area on the other side of the building, but it's still snowing hard Mar 07 18:42:55 yesterday morning it was raining and I could see the ground underneath Mar 07 18:44:34 Loudergood: this is in Vermont? Mar 07 18:44:42 yup Mar 07 18:45:59 there are many days in winter I'm glad I don't live in the New England area :) Mar 07 18:46:33 Denver, we get blizzards occasionally but it usually doesn't last Mar 07 18:47:03 eah Mar 07 18:47:17 haha, yeah I'm waaay up north Mar 07 18:47:30 well, excluding the part of maine where nobody goes Mar 07 18:47:45 the difference here is that it doesn't really melt Mar 07 19:28:20 is there anyone around who uses mobileme and webos 2.1? Mar 07 19:36:25 doog evening Mar 07 19:36:27 isn't mobileme something apple related? Mar 07 19:36:36 mah. doog=ggod Mar 07 19:36:40 mah! Mar 07 19:37:34 i will give it a last try: Mar 07 19:37:38 good evening. Mar 07 19:37:39 :) Mar 07 19:38:39 hello fella Mar 07 19:39:02 what's it you're currently developing on? Mar 07 19:41:57 a huge app connecting to an REST API - too early to talk about it. Mar 07 19:42:57 oooo, seekrit squirrel stuff Mar 07 19:43:02 additionally there will be a easterhegg app soon. Mar 07 19:44:02 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easterhegg Mar 07 19:46:56 joetweeply: why? Mar 07 19:47:16 just small talk Mar 07 20:24:05 what's up? Mar 07 20:24:33 PatrickC_Pre: app dev! Mar 07 20:24:46 which app? Mar 07 20:25:07 * PatrickC_Pre needs to get linux working... Mar 07 20:25:09 an unfinished tasks app Mar 07 20:25:16 PatrickC_Pre: what's not working? Mar 07 20:25:36 everything :p Mar 07 20:25:42 haven't installed it yet :) Mar 07 20:25:45 PatrickC_Pre: clean install of ubuntu, fix everything Mar 07 20:26:00 no install currently Mar 07 20:27:41 how's it comin madnificent Mar 07 20:28:10 PatrickC_Pre: quite ok, it's my first app Mar 07 20:28:18 awesome! Mar 07 20:28:27 SDK/Ares? Mar 07 20:28:29 I started looking at webos development monday or tuesday last week, I think Mar 07 20:28:33 PatrickC_Pre: SDK Mar 07 20:28:39 * madnificent isn't a cliky cliky person Mar 07 20:28:51 it runs now, I have tasks, contexts, subtasks Mar 07 20:28:52 Ares is nice for beginners Mar 07 20:28:55 and task states Mar 07 20:28:59 wow Mar 07 20:29:15 send me the IPK? I wanna see how awesome it is :) Mar 07 20:29:45 PatrickC_Pre: it has update issues and gui issues and such, but /msg me your email address and you'll get a preview :) Mar 07 20:30:41 PatrickC_Pre: it's built with a getting things done methodology in mind, so it might be meaningless without some introduction Mar 07 20:30:51 /msged Mar 07 20:31:10 I need something to help me "get things done" :) Mar 07 20:41:25 garrrrrr Mar 07 20:41:44 what's wrong funkatron? Mar 07 20:42:38 oh, you'll just here me complain about my apps not magically being available when I want them to be Mar 07 20:42:54 sounds..... fun Mar 07 20:43:39 :o Mar 07 20:44:13 codeslaw! hay Mar 07 20:44:28 whats up Mar 07 20:44:52 nm, how's it goin? Mar 07 20:45:00 man, I wish my app would work.... Mar 07 20:45:10 what app Mar 07 20:45:36 its a music streaming app Mar 07 20:46:59 the app menu broke Mar 07 20:52:01 anyone want to help a n00b :) Mar 07 20:54:30 downloading vbox 3.2 Mar 07 20:54:45 arg.... progress sucks.... remind me again why it was ever made.... Mar 07 20:54:53 lol wrong chat... sry Mar 07 20:55:27 what's wrong projectalarum? Mar 07 20:58:07 lol i hate progress pretty much Mar 07 20:58:20 why? Mar 07 20:58:41 because it's the worst programming language ever written Mar 07 20:59:13 never heard of it Mar 07 20:59:22 exactly Mar 07 21:00:07 is it old? Mar 07 21:01:07 yeah, first created in 84 i think Mar 07 21:01:21 what are you using it for? Mar 07 21:01:44 we use it where i work, i basically convert old progress code to php Mar 07 21:02:18 ah, a "business programming language" .. fun Mar 07 21:02:35 yeah, for tax software.... even better Mar 07 21:10:07 bbl Mar 07 21:10:15 gonna go jump on trampoline Mar 07 21:11:01 PatrickC_Pre: ok, I'll pretend that's not extremely random Mar 07 21:11:24 with m little brother :p Mar 07 21:12:11 and when I get back Mar 07 21:12:17 destinal will fix my app :) Mar 07 21:12:21 right? lol Mar 07 21:12:39 hehe Mar 07 21:12:54 idk what's wrong with it Mar 07 21:13:02 its giving me some ghost logs Mar 07 21:13:10 and then sometimes no logs Mar 07 21:13:12 anyway Mar 07 21:13:17 more when I get back ;) Mar 07 21:13:55 I can send you the source/ipk when I get back if needed Mar 07 21:18:19 later everyone, time for monday meetings..... :( Mar 07 21:25:23 PatrickC_Pre: TBH while I know a lot about webos and have worked on various projects, actually creating webos apps (esp mojo) isn't something I'm very familiar with Mar 07 21:27:54 nasty bug hunting. Mar 07 21:30:33 Hey all - does anyone know how to get scrollTop from a web app in WebOS? Mar 07 21:30:47 Seems like it always returns 0, and I can't find a workaround anywhere. Mar 07 21:37:24 arg...I want to show some text on 2 lines and let the magic of css hide the overflow and show ellipsis at the cutoff Mar 07 21:37:44 I can either make it show two lines with cutoff and no ellipsis, or one line with ellipsis Mar 07 21:40:04 sugardave: I've run into the same, I ended up just ellipsizing using JS and letting it be a bit ragged. Mar 07 21:40:35 bogus Mar 07 21:48:56 sugardave: pls inform me if your pre2-package arrived. Mar 07 21:49:17 leiru: I'm not at home, still at my in-laws' house Mar 07 21:49:27 hopefully it's not sitting on my porch Mar 07 21:49:28 sugardave: today there was no sheet in the postbox :(( Mar 07 21:49:40 I don't exepect mine until the end of next week Mar 07 21:50:02 okay, then it will arrive wednesday, cause you expected last time 14 days. Mar 07 21:50:18 at last time-frame (answer from hp) Mar 07 21:50:21 :D Mar 07 21:50:48 yeah, something like that :) Mar 07 21:53:12 \o/ Mar 07 21:59:50 I have no clue when my Pre2 will arrive. I was told that it was already in the mail about a week to a week and a half ago. Mar 07 22:02:29 leiru: do you work for HP or somethin? Mar 07 22:02:45 I still haven't received an email back dkirker :'( Mar 07 22:03:41 and I know sugardave wants to fix my app :) doesn't he :p Mar 07 22:04:54 it got quiet.... Mar 07 22:08:05 it has been over 20 days since my first email to HP Mar 07 22:09:36 PatrickC_Pre: no Mar 07 22:09:49 ok, I was just wondering Mar 07 22:09:55 I hope they email back soon Mar 07 22:09:58 PatrickC_Pre: i work for a mobile agency that is creating mobile apps and sites Mar 07 22:10:15 I sent a folowup email on last wednesday Mar 07 22:10:17 awesome! Mar 07 22:10:21 what company? Mar 07 22:11:28 trying to boot puppy now Mar 07 22:11:35 wish me luck Mar 07 22:14:58 got soo close to booting Mar 07 22:33:23 ubuntu booted!!! Mar 07 22:37:00 * phil_bw wanders by Mar 07 22:42:49 Can someone help me with something? Mar 07 22:43:05 depends on the something, but sure Mar 07 22:43:18 just a little debugging that i can't seem to find my error Mar 07 22:43:20 like, spiritually, or like, logically? Mar 07 22:43:26 lol locically Mar 07 22:43:39 s/locically/logically Mar 07 22:43:56 I'm too busy doing SineOt's job Mar 07 22:44:04 he will have to help you Mar 07 22:44:16 ahaha, what are you doing now, sugardave? :p Mar 07 22:44:27 graywolf337: have you hooked it up to the ares debugger? Mar 07 22:44:36 ok... http://pastebin.com/DcvMcj5c Mar 07 22:44:39 No i haven't Mar 07 22:45:21 http://ares.palm.com/AresDebug/ < totally awesome tool Mar 07 22:46:21 Wow thanks Mar 07 22:55:00 i say good night @160 bpm Mar 07 22:59:26 * Hendikins shakes head at Pre2 GPS... is definitely not at 402�N! Mar 07 22:59:47 hahaha Mar 07 22:59:52 are you SURE?! Mar 07 23:00:25 Quite... if only because that latitude is physically impossible. Mar 07 23:03:05 * Hendikins is hoping this issue gets fixed, has informally raised it with somebody he knows at Google Australia. Mar 07 23:32:15 Well this is interesting. The variance at both Sydney and Brisbane is approx. 429.496� Mar 07 23:41:42 how to i create something to be able to display in a .html file using #{src}? Mar 08 00:06:42 does someone have sdk installation instructions for ubuntu 10.10? Mar 08 00:07:08 PatrickC_Pre: its up on the dev site Mar 08 00:07:29 not for 10.10, only for 10.04 Mar 08 00:07:43 PatrickC_Pre: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1585&Itemid=55 Mar 08 00:07:44 and I get an error "deb: command not found" Mar 08 00:07:59 ... Mar 08 00:08:05 PatrickC_Pre: you need to put those deb: lines into /etc/apt/sources.list Mar 08 00:08:07 PatrickC_Pre- i just installed ubuntu 10.10 yesterday and i just installed the sdk today Mar 08 00:08:08 :D Mar 08 00:08:20 actually there is an easier way Mar 08 00:08:32 anyone know why i would get a "There was an error playing the file" on a audio stream that worked earlier today? Mar 08 00:08:34 well, I have *no* linux experience Mar 08 00:08:46 PatrickC_Pre- you on 10.10 ? Mar 08 00:08:55 yea Mar 08 00:08:58 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/virtualbox-ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat.html Mar 08 00:08:58 inside a vbox Mar 08 00:09:05 oh Mar 08 00:09:23 vbox within a vbox?! Mar 08 00:09:25 INCEPTION Mar 08 00:09:35 lol Mar 08 00:09:48 you don't need to open vbox PatrickC_Pre all this is done way before you open vbox Mar 08 00:10:12 do I even need vbox for the meta? Mar 08 00:10:23 new java http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/how-to-install-java-jre-and-java-plugin.html Mar 08 00:10:50 installed java via download center Mar 08 00:39:46 so what does HPalm still charge for? Mar 08 00:40:07 ? Mar 08 00:40:08 printer ink Mar 08 00:40:32 phones Mar 08 00:42:03 so it does not charge to publish applications or enroll in the developer program? Mar 08 00:42:18 nope Mar 08 00:42:36 I noticed how it said "Free - annual fee waived for a limited time" when registering Mar 08 00:43:55 I like how the agreements are totally blank Mar 08 00:45:05 and the fuckers requires 6 character usernames :( Mar 08 00:51:50 :/ Mar 08 00:52:22 it's been waived for a limited time for like a year and a half now Mar 08 00:52:37 actually, for about 6 years now Mar 08 00:52:42 they came out and said its gone foreva at some event or another Mar 08 00:52:43 way back in the day... Mar 08 00:53:08 Palm used to have a program, I forget the name of it, for the PalmOS platform that was similar to the webOS program Mar 08 00:53:12 fuckers. Mar 08 00:53:14 plus its always free if youre open source Mar 08 00:53:14 also "Refund Requirements and Process. While it is not Palm's policy to provide refunds to End Users, under certain circumstances, such as where an Application breaches the Application Content Criteria, or the Application is of such quality as to cause wide-spread customer complaints, Palm reserves the right to issue a refund to the End User(s) and charge back to Developer the full sales price Mar 08 00:53:15 paid by the End User, in addition to any payment processing fees. " Mar 08 00:53:31 the registration use to say that it was $99/year, but that it was waived. Mar 08 00:53:31 \ Mar 08 00:54:13 Zoxc: So, make sure that your program doesn't suck. :D Mar 08 00:54:15 so developers get 70%, and they need to pay HP 30% if a refund occurs? Mar 08 00:54:30 you aren't paid immediately Mar 08 00:54:38 so it's unlikely you would ever have to repay HP Mar 08 00:56:00 so you sell 10k apps for $5, for some reason all of them gets refunded. you now owe HP $15000 Mar 08 00:56:23 yep Mar 08 00:56:42 you should ask HP. Mar 08 00:56:53 not us. Mar 08 00:57:03 what should I ask HP? Mar 08 00:57:34 email chuq or lisa. Or better yet, just email pdc@palm.com. It goes to chuq. Mar 08 00:57:47 If you have questions about the TOS. Mar 08 00:58:06 chuq is chuqui here and lisa is Adora. Mar 08 01:00:36 does selecting Open Source Developer as Yes, exclude the ability to publish closed-source applications (and the other way around with No)? Mar 08 01:00:54 I don't htink so Mar 08 01:01:04 but that sounds like an awesome question to ask someone whose job it is to know Mar 08 01:01:07 IIRC, I *think* you can change that later. Mar 08 01:01:15 if you create an open source developer account, you may not submit closed source applications using that account. the reverse is not true. Mar 08 01:01:26 you cannot change it later. you can create a second account. Mar 08 01:01:48 That should be clearly stated though Mar 08 01:01:57 good note to add to that email. Mar 08 01:02:05 well, those bastards.. Mar 08 01:02:09 yep, add that to your email to pdc@palm.com Mar 08 01:02:10 Maybe it is that you can change from a closed source developer to an open source developer account later that I am remembering. Mar 08 01:02:13 they are out to screw us Mar 08 01:02:22 Anyway, that isn't important. Mar 08 01:03:06 since there is no advantage to having your account marked as an open source developer, choose the other option and release open source apps with it as you please. Mar 08 01:03:20 brilliant Mar 08 01:03:35 sugardave: that's why they pay me the big bucks Mar 08 01:04:22 literally extremely large bills .. like lottery winner size checks he takes him Mar 08 01:04:45 hahaha Mar 08 01:04:51 you should see his wallet Mar 08 01:04:55 holds up the line at the bank Mar 08 01:05:31 "holds up" and "at the bank" aren't good phrases to be next to each other :( Mar 08 01:05:37 good point Mar 08 01:05:51 hahaha Mar 08 01:05:52 THIS AIRLINE IS THE BOMB Mar 08 01:05:53 its ok, the channels logged! no-one will notice! Mar 08 01:06:08 meh, developer accounts requires a US tax number =P Mar 08 01:06:46 yeah, and a PayPal account Mar 08 01:07:04 well I got a PayPal account =P Mar 08 01:07:09 sweet Mar 08 01:07:25 can someone try this link on their webos phone? http://u14.di.fm:80/di_trance Mar 08 01:08:33 lemketron: aloha Mar 08 01:08:49 bbiab Mar 08 01:08:51 lemketron: It's after 5p. GO HOME!! Mar 08 01:10:09 lemketron: oahu Mar 08 01:10:47 Zoxc: if you're not in the US, forget about developing for webOS. HP/Palm makes it too hard for anyone outside of the US. You'll just get frustrated. Mar 08 01:11:21 * haeffb thinks rwhitby is outside the US and develops for webOS Mar 08 01:11:32 HP is supposed to be a global company, with sales over 183 countries. Unfortunately, webOS development is US-only pretty much at the momnet. Mar 08 01:11:34 * haeffb guess rwhitby is therefore frustrated Mar 08 01:11:56 haeffb: yes, I had to get a US citizen to create the developer account for me, and funnel the proceeds to me. Mar 08 01:11:58 well I'll probably forget about it if HP won't sell any phones here Mar 08 01:12:16 Zoxc: yep, I'd recommend you forget about it. Try the iPhone. Mar 08 01:12:24 aloha! eeks, dkirker is right, I gotta scoot (today anyway)... Mar 08 01:12:27 shucks. I'd have done that for a mere 10% of your proceeds... :) Mar 08 01:12:38 lemketron: thanks for stopping by. Mar 08 01:12:39 why would I want a iPhone? =P Mar 08 01:12:59 lemketron: Haha! Take care. I'll be back tomorrow at 5p sharp to harass you again. :P Mar 08 01:13:07 Zoxc: Apple sells the phone in your country? and allows users in your country to buy apps? Mar 08 01:13:47 ya, but Apple doesn't let you swipe cards on your phone. Mar 08 01:14:33 Zoxc: if you don't like iPhone, develop for Android instead. Forget about webOS if you are not in the US. Mar 08 01:14:56 HP simply doesn't want you as a developer. Mar 08 01:15:10 (or as a customer) Mar 08 01:15:28 HP doesn't want me money! Mar 08 01:15:32 /joke Mar 08 01:15:41 no joke, it's absolutely correct. Mar 08 01:16:00 it's weird Mar 08 01:16:15 come back in a couple of years when they might have bothered to realise that developers live outside the US Mar 08 01:16:28 you'd think HP would have an easier time than Palm did getting things started in the rest of the countries Mar 08 01:16:39 * halfhalo blames the govnmnt Mar 08 01:16:49 sugardave: it's the same people working at Palm. US-centric from top to bottom. Mar 08 01:16:50 which govnmnt? Mar 08 01:17:19 Palm is still growing... Mar 08 01:17:29 dkirker: not outside of the US Mar 08 01:18:01 rwhitby: Can you buy Palm phones where you're located? Mar 08 01:18:06 no Mar 08 01:18:14 Zoxc: no Mar 08 01:18:34 Zoxc: the nearest place where I can purchase a webOS device is over 8000 miles away Mar 08 01:18:51 and thats why there fedex! Mar 08 01:18:53 that's what I mean by weird...HP already sells hardware in Australia Mar 08 01:18:59 so, wtf? Mar 08 01:19:01 In fact, you cannot purchase or effectively use a webOS device in the southern hemisphere. Mar 08 01:19:25 even if you can't get service on the phone because of carrier restrictions, that doesn't mean you can't use the OS on the phone Mar 08 01:19:48 rwhitby: since they're not discounting the price as it's all free now, there shouldn't even be that option (re open source developer) Mar 08 01:20:02 sugardave: GPS doesn't work in Southern hemisphere. Reported back in 1.4.0, still not fixed in 2.1.0 Mar 08 01:20:07 Luckily I'm in the northern hemisphere, doesn't help me much though :D Mar 08 01:20:33 rwhitby: was it gps or google thats borked? (just curious) Mar 08 01:20:44 halfhalo: google assisted GPS Mar 08 01:20:51 ah Mar 08 01:20:54 rwhitby: right, but if you can't technically get the device there, they have no incentive to investigate/fix it Mar 08 01:21:15 sugardave: exactly. Mar 08 01:21:30 I totally understand/agree it sucks Mar 08 01:21:33 we'll see if HP will distribute webOS 2-3 devices globally =P Mar 08 01:22:13 Zoxc: I'll believe it when I see it. I predict you won't see a webOS device outside of the markets they currently sell into until 2012 at least. Mar 08 01:22:49 how horrible Mar 08 01:22:50 And I predict the app catalog will not go global until 2014 Mar 08 01:23:10 I predict webOS will be dead before then Mar 08 01:23:15 sounds like early estimates to me Mar 08 01:23:16 nooooooo Mar 08 01:23:31 no, webOS will persist for many years. HP will make sure of that. Mar 08 01:23:56 As a tiny fragment on the US market perhaps Mar 08 01:24:12 actually, I predict I'll be able to buy a webOS printer locally before I can buy a webOS phone or tablet. Mar 08 01:24:28 and a webOS toaster! Mar 08 01:25:10 the fact that its not global will change.... slowly.... unfortunatly Mar 08 01:25:22 There's isn't much competition in the smartphone printer OS market yet! Mar 08 01:25:34 halfhalo: I want a webOS toaster! (No joke!) Mar 08 01:25:46 dkirker: we totally have plans for one Mar 08 01:26:12 As far as HP/Palm globally, I figure that things will start increasing here soon. Mar 08 01:26:29 halfhalo: I am not tempted to actually make one. I am figuring out how to do it right now. Mar 08 01:27:01