**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 09 02:59:57 2011 Mar 09 03:30:39 Anyone heard anything regarding same profile/multiple devices in 2.X or 3.0 ? Mar 09 03:36:36 just guessing, but the profile probably won't work on 2.x devices once migrated to a 3.x device Mar 09 04:38:57 hello. everyone. Mar 09 04:39:14 I've been drinking again, so ignore whatever I say. Mar 09 04:39:27 Tibfib: pang Mar 09 04:41:00 haeffb: haha Mar 09 04:41:52 gkastsv: not so funny if you're the one who's over the limit Mar 09 04:42:17 plus, it takes me twice as long to type anything with all the backspacing and correcting... Mar 09 04:42:38 you can always, you know, not type anything? Mar 09 04:42:53 or just type it and have us laugh a bit? Mar 09 04:43:30 haeffb: get on twitter instead - the impact is wider reaching and then I can retweet the good bits Mar 09 04:44:36 rwhitby: great idea. I'll get right on th....zzzzzzz Mar 09 04:45:12 rwhitby: well, at the very least you can copy and paste Mar 09 04:45:28 gkatsev has obviously never been at the exact stage of inebriation I am currently experiencing. Mar 09 04:45:34 nope Mar 09 04:45:35 to "not type anything" is laughable. Mar 09 04:45:39 I don't see the point Mar 09 04:46:14 like I could stop breathing. it's reflexive Mar 09 04:47:15 lol Mar 09 04:52:50 make it a real challenge and switch to the Pre Mar 09 04:53:40 pixi? Mar 09 04:54:28 anyone have a reference for what needs to be changed for contacts moving from 1.4.5 to 2.0+? Mar 09 04:55:43 your typical checklist for a standard voodoo ritual should suffice Mar 09 04:56:39 don't have my ritual list handy Mar 09 04:56:52 that is a problem Mar 09 04:56:58 indeed Mar 09 04:56:58 :S Mar 09 04:57:37 I think it's kind of a big deal, but I have no details or thoughts about it Mar 09 04:57:47 yeah, same here Mar 09 04:58:04 i'd like to get it fixed, but that may not be as simple as i like Mar 09 04:58:33 is it raining in your area yet, sugardave? Mar 09 04:58:48 i'm hearing thunder, but no rain yet Mar 09 04:59:26 hmm, no is it supposed to? Mar 09 05:00:20 we live in a typically no-rain zone even if everyone else is getting hammered Mar 09 05:01:08 looks like something is rolling through Mar 09 05:01:13 probably not much rain, though Mar 09 05:03:51 now it's raining Mar 09 05:05:03 I see the lightning, but no rain here yet Mar 09 05:15:52 what's up? Mar 09 05:21:24 how is everyone? Mar 09 05:33:54 anyone have any tips for "no devices found" when using palm-install? Mar 09 05:34:07 The device is in dev mode, I assume? Mar 09 05:34:23 (I totally thought one of mine was, and it turns out it wasn't... :| ) Mar 09 05:34:33 and the most current SDK is installed Mar 09 05:34:56 s/installed/installed? Mar 09 05:35:10 this PalmCast is good Mar 09 05:35:28 emulator Mar 09 05:35:33 and yes Mar 09 05:36:25 what error is it giving you? Mar 09 05:36:35 never mind Mar 09 05:36:42 I'm tired :p Mar 09 05:36:45 ummm. Mar 09 05:36:48 urgh, figured it out Mar 09 05:36:55 what was it? Mar 09 05:37:01 i "disconnected" the cable from the emulator Mar 09 05:37:19 how? Mar 09 05:37:54 devices -> network adapters... uncheck cable connected Mar 09 05:38:05 i wanted to test it w/o internet Mar 09 05:38:11 well, at least you fixed it :) Mar 09 05:38:17 i didn't realize that would disconnect it from command prompt Mar 09 05:38:21 true :) Mar 09 05:38:21 airplane mode? Mar 09 05:38:26 didn't work Mar 09 05:38:35 weird Mar 09 05:38:44 what's the app do? Mar 09 05:38:48 yeah, and annoying Mar 09 05:38:57 oh, i'm just testing the samples right now Mar 09 05:39:04 oh ok Mar 09 05:39:07 have fun :) Mar 09 05:39:15 need to find contacts Mar 09 05:39:18 so i can rework my app Mar 09 05:39:26 what app? Mar 09 05:39:31 txt group Mar 09 05:39:41 I've used that before Mar 09 05:39:47 my dad uses it all the time :) Mar 09 05:40:00 that's good to know :) Mar 09 05:40:08 yep Mar 09 05:40:09 now i need to get it working for 2.0 :) Mar 09 05:40:20 he's still on 1.4.5 :'( Mar 09 05:40:27 aren't most of us? :( Mar 09 05:40:32 I'm on 2.1 Mar 09 05:40:58 the meta-doc is soo easy to build :) Mar 09 05:41:06 pre2? or modified pre-/+? Mar 09 05:41:18 mod pre+ Mar 09 05:41:28 i might mod the pre+ i got Mar 09 05:41:38 swap the com board and then upgrade Mar 09 05:41:40 its amazing! Mar 09 05:41:49 yeah, i've played with it a bit Mar 09 05:41:52 i like it Mar 09 05:41:58 na, I have a stock vzw Pre+ 2.1 Mar 09 05:42:07 i've been told it will run very poorly on my pre- Mar 09 05:42:18 depends I believe Mar 09 05:42:24 ahhh, that makes it easy for you then :) Mar 09 05:42:39 what makes it easy for me? Mar 09 05:42:41 lol Mar 09 05:43:09 that you don't have a swap a comm board Mar 09 05:43:16 just get the doctor and update :) Mar 09 05:43:21 yep Mar 09 05:43:40 and I don't have a Pre2 :'( Mar 09 05:45:33 anyone know how to unregister there nick from precenteral ? Mar 09 05:45:52 why? Mar 09 05:46:04 you might have to send an e-mail Mar 09 05:46:06 i want to use a new nick .. but it won't let me use the email i want Mar 09 05:46:18 you can change your nick Mar 09 05:46:26 yea Mar 09 05:46:30 I changed mine Mar 09 05:46:31 (and that does require an e-mail) Mar 09 05:46:38 from patrick c. to patrickc Mar 09 05:46:45 and it didn't for me I don't think Mar 09 05:47:02 change nick, group it to your old one, let the old one drop itself after X days Mar 09 05:47:27 sineot: not on IRC :) Mar 09 05:47:34 I don't think Mar 09 05:47:52 oh, durp Mar 09 05:47:54 PatrickC_Pre- im looking where to change my nick Mar 09 05:47:57 user cp right ? Mar 09 05:48:03 I believe Mar 09 05:48:16 its the same place where you change your email I think Mar 09 05:48:23 urg, anyone know the format for a contact picker in webos 2? Mar 09 05:48:38 NDA still :'( Mar 09 05:51:09 iPad 2: boooooooooo Mar 09 05:51:53 PatrickC_Pre: answer why, 250 words or more Mar 09 05:52:11 I don't know 250 words :p Mar 09 05:52:15 but... Mar 09 05:52:43 it looks like the iPad 1, not much difference in *anything*, etc. Mar 09 05:53:18 and that's bad because ____________ Mar 09 05:53:39 its the same as the iPad 1 practically Mar 09 05:53:51 with camera- Mar 09 05:54:30 thinner + dualcore + cameras = same Mar 09 05:55:10 *practically* the same.. not much difference aesthetically or internally Mar 09 05:55:57 iPad 1 sold a lot of units. even if iPad 2 was exactly the same, just putting a 2 on it would sell more units. Mar 09 05:56:08 true Mar 09 05:57:46 PatrickC_Pre- can't find where to change my nick Mar 09 05:57:53 hmm... Mar 09 05:58:21 not sure.. I'm not at a PC rite now, sorry Mar 09 05:58:23 PatrickC_Pre: I'd say being thinner than the iPhone 4 is a pretty huge aesthetic and internal difference Mar 09 05:58:24 and the logo on the back sells itself Mar 09 05:59:05 even as a tech enthusiast, i can't justify spending so much on so little Mar 09 05:59:19 which is why i will never purchase any ipad Mar 09 05:59:29 HattCzech, let me introduce you to this wonderful device called the Xoom... ;P Mar 09 05:59:34 mostly out of spite :) Mar 09 05:59:38 but when the touchpad launches... then I will justify buying one :) Mar 09 05:59:42 that's a bit too pricey as well Mar 09 05:59:59 touchpad is different, but price is a big factor Mar 09 06:00:05 well... Mar 09 06:00:13 I'm hoping for a dev program Mar 09 06:00:16 it's not pricy, it's an outright joke Mar 09 06:00:18 yeah, same here Mar 09 06:00:38 SineOt: true, but it is better than the ipad Mar 09 06:00:45 (and more expensive) :) Mar 09 06:01:09 Not really, though, aside from it running Android instead Mar 09 06:02:01 4g capable, right? Mar 09 06:02:13 * PatrickC_Pre wishes Mar 09 06:02:20 * PatrickC_Pre hopes Mar 09 06:02:26 after sending it off to Motorola for 7-10 business days, yes Mar 09 06:02:48 wait; touchpad or xoom? Mar 09 06:03:02 Xoom Mar 09 06:03:13 oh then, nevermind Mar 09 06:03:22 Moto basically rips out the modem/radio and replaces it with a 4G capable version Mar 09 06:03:27 Touchpad is going a similar route Mar 09 06:03:48 Er, not Touchpad Mar 09 06:03:50 the Playbook Mar 09 06:04:21 oh, craptacular Mar 09 06:04:24 playbook == webos clone :p Mar 09 06:05:24 but I mean, if "send it back to the factory for a week or so and get it back with different modem innards" counts as 4G capable... then the iPad 2 is just as 4G capable :p Mar 09 06:05:39 good point Mar 09 06:05:45 the touchpad should be 4g :/ Mar 09 06:06:01 there are so many SHOULDS when i keep thinking about hp/palm Mar 09 06:11:26 my palmcast is over Mar 09 06:11:28 nite Mar 09 06:12:52 yeah, time for bed Mar 09 06:12:54 night all Mar 09 08:12:13 Hi, has anyone else a grey background when enterin sim pin on 2.1.0? Mar 09 08:12:34 I have heard that it is normal ;) Mar 09 08:12:41 mmh, strange bug Mar 09 08:12:42 but ok Mar 09 08:12:51 its not but Mar 09 08:12:53 bug* Mar 09 08:13:00 its just another color choice Mar 09 08:13:03 ok Mar 09 08:13:40 strange color choice :) Mar 09 08:13:50 maybe Mar 09 08:14:38 just updating my pre2 to 2.1.0 Mar 09 08:14:44 hope everything will go well Mar 09 08:14:45 ota? Mar 09 08:14:49 no Mar 09 08:14:51 doctored Mar 09 08:14:54 NDA Mar 09 08:15:00 changing its official! Mar 09 08:15:04 -changing Mar 09 08:15:09 ist just released Mar 09 08:15:14 ok Mar 09 08:15:16 link? Mar 09 08:15:20 palm.com/rom Mar 09 08:15:31 but ota is also active Mar 09 08:15:51 precentral is down :) but they have an article Mar 09 08:16:36 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions at the bottom Mar 09 08:34:27 sebastianha i can see it on PC now Mar 09 08:34:40 ah, ok. then they are back Mar 09 08:34:49 btw: works fine so far Mar 09 08:34:58 changed my profile from 1.4.5 to 2.1.0 without problems Mar 09 08:35:09 only one app does not want to be installed Mar 09 09:24:31 hi Mar 09 09:37:58 hi Mar 09 10:23:42 I have a pre2 with 2.0.1 - is the 2.1 upgrade woth the hassle? Mar 09 10:41:53 I'm yet to determine that, but if the PDF viewer works as well as 2.1 for Pre Plus, that alone is reason enough for me to upgrade. Mar 09 10:56:28 i have not had problems with pdf on 2.0 Mar 09 10:56:54 KungPhoo what is the hassle? i dont get it? I think 2.1 is very nice.. many bugfixes Mar 09 13:39:52 hm Mar 09 13:51:38 afternoon Mar 09 14:11:57 hi swisstomcat Mar 09 14:12:05 hi haeffb Mar 09 14:37:35 swisstomcat :) Mar 09 14:37:59 <- lying in bed with a cold Mar 09 14:39:01 oh noes Mar 09 14:42:16 leiru: that's very very bad of you! you deserve a spanking! Mar 09 14:42:33 leiru: being ill is _not_ what you should be. Therefore we must punish you Mar 09 14:42:36 wth? Mar 09 14:42:53 heh. Mar 09 14:43:06 irony does not cross irc lines, it seems :( Mar 09 14:43:21 * Lichtlos has met too many SM freaks on conventions, sry Mar 09 14:43:30 only when properly executed Mar 09 14:43:31 Lichtlos: NONONONONO, _not_ that way Mar 09 14:43:38 :D Mar 09 14:44:09 Lichtlos: I didn't think of that, but it suddenly sounds more freakish than what I intended... Mar 09 14:44:45 one of my roommates wears a shirt with "today is a good day for a good spanking" -.- Mar 09 14:44:58 well, I won't live here that much longer Mar 09 14:45:31 * haeffb wanders off to find some other conversation Mar 09 14:52:23 shouldn't we talk about 2.1 on the pre2 instead? Mar 09 14:52:58 I'd love to Mar 09 14:53:04 we should. but I don't have it. Mar 09 14:53:11 same here Mar 09 14:53:21 still need to sprintify my pre 2 Mar 09 14:53:53 why is CDMA that important in the US? Mar 09 14:54:45 because two of the top three providers use CDMA Mar 09 14:55:00 ATT and sprint? Mar 09 14:55:08 verizon and sprint Mar 09 14:55:08 verizon and sprint Mar 09 14:55:11 att is gsm Mar 09 14:55:12 att is GSM Mar 09 14:55:16 oh sorry :D Mar 09 14:55:28 i vote for unlocked devices Mar 09 14:55:32 gsm Mar 09 14:55:41 sold directly by HP Mar 09 14:55:56 * haeffb lives in an area where neither verizon or att provide service Mar 09 14:55:58 ping Tibfib Mar 09 14:56:12 Tibfib: ping Mar 09 14:56:26 oh, wait, you weren't asking me to do that... ? Mar 09 14:56:45 no Mar 09 14:56:47 are you a bot? Mar 09 14:56:52 no Mar 09 14:56:55 are you a bot? Mar 09 14:56:59 yes Mar 09 14:57:34 seen Tibfib Mar 09 14:57:58 Tibfib is in school Mar 09 14:58:14 what do you guys think about webos on ever hp being shipped Mar 09 14:58:37 awesome Mar 09 14:58:52 joeb_: depends on the implementation Mar 09 14:59:37 but if they let customers decide between OSs that would be a great step forward Mar 09 14:59:39 lol funkatron & haeffb Mar 09 14:59:55 TIbfib needs to be at my beck and call Mar 09 15:00:18 still waiting for the UPS-guy. Mar 09 15:00:28 then i'll can talk about 2.1 too! Mar 09 15:00:31 oh sweet .. leiru what are you getting ? Mar 09 15:00:43 pre2 leiru ? Mar 09 15:01:02 yes pre2 gsm Mar 09 15:01:18 leiru- unlocked .. wow you must have payed a grip of money Mar 09 15:01:48 no it's a dev-phone Mar 09 15:01:59 wouldn't be able to buy it Mar 09 15:02:18 i'm poor guy. Mar 09 15:02:23 +a Mar 09 15:02:28 i'm a poor bot Mar 09 15:02:42 haeffb: botsnack Mar 09 15:03:06 * haeffb smacks madnificent with a large walleye Mar 09 15:03:37 * haeffb is such a poor bot that he has difficulty interpreting instructions Mar 09 15:04:22 haeffb: btw. what's the temperatur over the ocean? Mar 09 15:04:35 we have today 8°C and rainy weather Mar 09 15:05:26 36 F and cloudy Mar 09 15:05:46 spring has been delayed Mar 09 15:05:52 uh Mar 09 15:06:19 haeffb: well played Mar 09 15:06:37 i would have assumed it would be 59°F there Mar 09 15:08:16 http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Macon+MO+63552 Mar 09 15:08:52 will be 60 on Friday Mar 09 15:19:28 damn haeffb, I didn't think you looked that old Mar 09 15:20:00 I use a lot of product to maintain my youthful appearance Mar 09 15:23:28 http://isthewebos2sdkstillunderndayet.com/ Mar 09 15:24:01 that's a horrible domain name Mar 09 15:24:44 it's still available ;) Mar 09 15:24:50 heh Mar 09 15:29:07 sugardave: and did the UPS guy store it at the terrace? Mar 09 15:29:19 nope Mar 09 15:29:32 I'm telling you I don't expect mine until next week :) Mar 09 15:29:34 sugardave: i wrote them this morning, if they could send me the id Mar 09 15:30:01 sugardave: to be honest, i expected mine exactly today. :| Mar 09 15:30:43 I got email last week and it said 10 business days, that's 2 weeks :) Mar 09 15:31:01 sugardave: you remember? i used the sugardave-expecting-but-last-time-they-were-faster- algorithm. a scientific prooven algorithm ;) Mar 09 15:31:33 haha Mar 09 15:31:33 so it must had been arriving today :D Mar 09 15:31:34 sure Mar 09 15:31:59 better than christmas? Mar 09 15:32:07 sugardave: figured out my button graphics issue from the other day... Mar 09 15:32:17 lol im hoping to get mine soon... got email from adela on the 3rd..... Mar 09 15:32:19 I had used ctrl-+ in browser to zoom in Mar 09 15:32:31 im trying to remember if the pre+ i got came ups or fedex Mar 09 15:32:38 they use ups right? Mar 09 15:32:38 haeffb: don't do that Mar 09 15:32:57 my 60-year old eyes need zooms! Mar 09 15:33:01 hahaha Mar 09 15:33:05 lol Mar 09 15:33:12 did you get the rest of it to work as epxected? Mar 09 15:33:18 yep Mar 09 15:33:22 sweet Mar 09 15:34:30 I'm getting a better handle on handling events Mar 09 15:34:44 I need to pick something to play with Mar 09 15:35:05 I stole SineOt's and Orithma's idea Mar 09 15:35:13 http://leaf.ly Mar 09 15:35:37 but I'm going to let them start the github project and do Mojo...if they would ever get their stoner asses in gear Mar 09 15:36:44 lol. A project that will never be completed. Mar 09 15:37:02 heh Mar 09 15:37:25 oh, and nsfw. Mar 09 15:37:35 oh, I guess so Mar 09 15:37:38 oops Mar 09 15:37:54 * haeffb sitting in a survey workshop with people in the row behind me going...."wtf?" Mar 09 15:37:59 * Hendikins looks for a way to beat novacom in to submission on opensuse Mar 09 15:38:10 haeffb: tell them it was an IRC virus Mar 09 15:38:23 a pipe is always good for beating Mar 09 15:39:07 * haeffb finds bare knuckles to be somehow more satisfying. Mar 09 15:40:34 I'm ready for 2.x SDK and Enyo to not be NDA anymore.... Mar 09 15:40:35 erg Mar 09 15:40:54 I like Mojo, but it's time to talk about new shit Mar 09 15:41:10 yes Mar 09 15:42:31 sugardave: should I be bothered that I'm still coding a mojo app? Mar 09 15:42:46 What would be the normal way to show the contacts app for a specific user? I have his accountId. Mar 09 15:42:54 no kidding, i wanna see what'd happen if i submit an app using enyo.... i wonder how loud adora would scream at me lol Mar 09 15:43:19 madnificent: if you're coming out with it soon, Mojo is still good...if you're not coming out with it before the TouchPad hits, it's a tough call Mar 09 15:44:05 well, i've updated two of my apps to enyo, and i have to say they both run a lot better Mar 09 15:44:06 madnificent: as far as I know about contacts, you can only get at the ones your app has added unless you want to be relegated to homebrew status Mar 09 15:44:23 :( Mar 09 15:44:41 madnificent: download the "Birthdays" app in Preware to see how he does the full contacts thing Mar 09 15:44:44 are you sure? I'd be surprised if there was no way to just show the contacts app for a specific user. I needn't update the contact myself Mar 09 15:44:56 madnificent: I'm pretty sure Mar 09 15:45:04 I could be really wrong though Mar 09 15:46:01 hrm Mar 09 15:47:02 sugardave: I assumed that it would be possible because there's a people picker, but you may be right Mar 09 15:47:02 at the moment i got no idea, what i could code for a touchpad - maybe this will change when i own one. Mar 09 15:47:54 madnificent: I think the problem stems from needing not just the person ID, but some auth ID that gets created when your app adds a new contact, so if the person ID isn't associated with that auth ID, you're screwed Mar 09 15:47:59 leiru: location aware profiles? Mar 09 15:48:26 madnificent: i would read about the service API Mar 09 15:48:29 madnificent: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1701&Itemid=20 Mar 09 15:48:53 I also think/hope this is something that has been changed in 2.x and beyond Mar 09 15:51:16 sugardave: oh Mar 09 15:52:11 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=425 Mar 09 15:52:30 leiru: I don't really see what I need on your link, but I've been gazing at the page Mar 09 15:53:46 Ah great, apparently I need a version of novacom I can't get my hands on in order to be able to doctor my Pre2 on Linux. Mar 09 15:54:01 ah, well at least I'm wrong about being able to get at a particular contact...just have to do it through the people picker Mar 09 15:54:38 Or perhaps not Mar 09 15:54:42 * Hendikins dissects 2.1 doctor Mar 09 15:54:55 sugardave: getting the contact is no problem, but then showing it again, that's what I can't seem to manage Mar 09 15:55:54 get that Brithdays app from Preware, it has some good methods to look at Mar 09 16:05:59 sugardave: yeah I'm doing it amongst searching for it directly :) thanks Mar 09 16:07:09 Yep, it looks like I can't doctor my Pre2 on Linux, because it appears I need the version of Novacom supplied in the 2.x SDK. Grr. Mar 09 16:07:11 pre3 will have 2.1 eh ? Mar 09 16:08:14 sugardave: got it to work :) Mar 09 16:08:32 Hendikins: 2.x doesn't work on linux yet? Mar 09 16:09:08 madnificent: I'm not a dev, so I don't have access to it. Mar 09 16:11:29 hendikins: can't you get the drivers out of the webOS 2.x doctor? Mar 09 16:11:51 swisstomcat: Not on Linux, from what I can see. Mar 09 16:12:12 Windows and MacOS Novacom is in there though Mar 09 16:12:16 yeah Mar 09 16:14:01 The SDK being under NDA is of no particular concern to me, but it would be nice if they provided a new enough Novacom for me to run the doctor. Mar 09 16:15:16 agreed Mar 09 16:15:26 the sdk should be out of EA soon i read Mar 09 16:15:49 where did you read it? :) Mar 09 16:15:50 so backwards .. how are you gonna have the 2.1 kernel / release a 2.1 update and still be under NDA Mar 09 16:15:53 0_o Mar 09 16:16:17 http://twitter.com/lemketron/statuses/45510832263667712 Mar 09 16:16:36 * oil doesnt hold his breath Mar 09 16:16:39 swisstomcat- whats good about that ? Mar 09 16:17:09 swisstomcat: cool, his background is hurting me Mar 09 16:17:17 to many colors! Mar 09 16:20:25 sugardave: is this a "palm"ish soon ? Mar 09 16:20:32 you know it Mar 09 16:22:06 dam i go to work in 30 Mar 09 16:22:25 pre3 will have webos 2.1 correct ? Mar 09 16:22:56 2.2 maybe? Mar 09 16:23:28 2.1 at least Mar 09 16:23:34 my Pre 2 has it now Mar 09 16:23:39 :D Mar 09 16:25:06 im looking for options here .. i have 2 att lines .. my pre + broke and i need a phone / ATT dosen't cover physical damage .. A. cancel 1 of the lines / pay termination fee and go to verzion and get pre2 ... everyone is telling me to wait for pre3 and get a go phone .. nobody knows when pre 3 will come Mar 09 16:29:53 get a pre+ on ebay? Mar 09 16:31:22 there's one buy it now for $49.99 Mar 09 16:31:34 haeffb: sick Mar 09 16:31:47 haeffb: I payed much much more for my pre- Mar 09 16:31:59 oops. plus $150 shipping... :) Mar 09 16:33:06 haeffb: wrong continent? ;) Mar 09 16:34:11 if you're a dev, you can get a free pre2 Mar 09 16:34:19 nah, seller is trying to scam ebay out of fees Mar 09 16:34:21 or get one for $200 offm unlocked Mar 09 16:34:39 -m Mar 09 16:40:32 funkatron: I wonder what the conditions are, I'm devving now, but I'm quite sure I will not get a pre2 Mar 09 16:40:51 perhaps you should try and find out. Mar 09 16:40:53 madnificent: just ask and see what happens Mar 09 16:41:07 haeffb: I want to submit my app first... to raise my chances Mar 09 16:41:35 send them the .ipk with the application email...let them know it's a work in progress Mar 09 16:43:55 haeffb: that might be a good idea! Mar 09 16:44:09 * madnificent creates a task in his tasks app ^_^ Mar 09 16:59:52 anyone see the veer price in uk ? Mar 09 17:00:08 * Hendikins finally clubs everything in to submission and doctors his Pre2. Mar 09 17:00:14 the Veer can be (pre)ordered for the whopping price of £499.00! Just to put some perspective on this for you that would be about $810 for us here in the U.S Mar 09 17:00:31 From? Mar 09 17:00:37 (Out of curiousity) Mar 09 17:00:39 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/03/big-price-for-the-tiny-hp-veer/ Mar 09 17:01:11 That pricing data would have to be bogus. Mar 09 17:01:28 joeb_: seems like a placeholder Mar 09 17:01:30 that seems REALLY high Mar 09 17:01:56 yea crazy Mar 09 17:07:41 * joeb_ has ideas Mar 09 17:08:22 so my list widget is just a bunch of html, right? Mar 09 17:08:35 can I grab that html to put into an email? Mar 09 17:08:51 my dell laptop 17 inch is a touchcreen .. if webos is gonna be a regular os like windows would techincally would it be able to run on any laptop or just hp Mar 09 17:10:18 haeffb: should be able to grab the lists parent element's innerHTML Mar 09 17:10:42 right...let's see if it works... Mar 09 17:14:56 Heh, wonder if I can get a bite out of @palm on Twitter. Mar 09 17:17:05 Hendikins: I did :) Mar 09 17:17:12 it is possible Mar 09 17:21:03 I've just left a tweet about my attempt to doctor my Pre2 on Linux. Mar 09 17:21:25 ah, dumb. I don't have the css Mar 09 17:27:59 is there a way to get the app's css ? Mar 09 17:28:59 there is some javascript magic to get stylesheets, I think Mar 09 17:29:28 and add to an html email? Mar 09 17:29:40 may be easier just to manually format this stuff Mar 09 17:29:50 document.styleSheets is an array of all the stylesheets Mar 09 17:29:54 what are you trying to do? Mar 09 17:30:08 haeffb: http://www.prototypejs.org/api/element/methods#method-getstyle Mar 09 17:48:04 * haeffb_ out... bbl Mar 09 18:02:43 man Mar 09 18:02:54 im looking a pre3 hands on and its running webos 2.0 Mar 09 18:13:47 so.. is it possible to use ruby or python to make applications for webos? I'm coming up short googling, so I'm guessing no. Mar 09 18:23:02 well, you could have server side python that talks to the js in a mojo app Mar 09 18:24:38 server side but still running on the device? Sorry, I'm not yet that familiar with the platform. Mar 09 18:27:01 hm. you talked about a C puzzle book last days. i've another question for a book. Mar 09 18:28:04 searching something to push my JS skills further. maybe that "javascript patterns" book from o'reilly rocks? Mar 09 18:31:18 * phil_bw wanders by Mar 09 18:34:36 leiru: ask :D Mar 09 18:35:39 Lichtlos: asked already? Mar 09 18:35:59 whoo hot -> http://gyu.que.jp/jscloth/touch.html Mar 09 18:36:18 maybe that "javascript patterns" book from o'reilly rocks? Mar 09 18:36:35 to ask more clearly: any suggestions about that or other books? Mar 09 18:37:43 leiru: read "a hackers delight" Mar 09 18:37:56 opened my mind years ago Mar 09 18:38:02 nasty asm hacks :D Mar 09 18:39:41 Lichtlos: you not seem to read my original question recurrently. Mar 09 18:41:20 leiru: well, I misinterpreted the "other books" part Mar 09 18:41:24 sorry Mar 09 18:41:40 appology not accepted Mar 09 18:41:42 grovel more Mar 09 18:41:55 hey SiLeNt_NiNjA1 how are you? Mar 09 18:41:59 nb Mar 09 18:42:06 busy mornin, just got back to my office Mar 09 18:42:16 as for js books, idk - i dont do much js Mar 09 18:42:17 :/ Mar 09 18:43:36 now that 2.1 is out on the pre2, i should see about re-meta doctoring Mar 09 18:59:38 btw leiru another good read is lions commentart on unix Mar 09 18:59:47 commentary Mar 09 19:00:11 :D Mar 09 19:00:35 one of the staples on my shelf anyway Mar 09 19:01:14 i finished reading the works of knuth last week Mar 09 19:18:06 now recite the works of K&R Mar 09 19:18:07 :) Mar 09 19:18:26 You can start from the 2nd edition :) Mar 09 19:29:18 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: me other way: just doing no bare-metal-coding and even do not understand this weird pointers and double pointers ;) Mar 09 19:29:50 i love pointers!! Mar 09 19:29:58 and unfornately i do not want to understand them ;) Mar 09 19:30:22 i just don't need them in my daily work Mar 09 19:30:31 ive had problems w/ api's ive had to use where if i didnt go after the memory directly, it wouldnt work for our application Mar 09 19:30:54 had a value being returned, typed as a hex value, but it was really a base 10 int Mar 09 19:31:15 so they would keep it as say 11 meaning 11, instead of meaning 17 Mar 09 19:31:36 so withot grabbing the memory and reading the char, then type casting that alone, it wouldnt work Mar 09 19:31:45 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 shakes fist at german programmers Mar 09 19:33:15 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: during my education i choose the interpeter way. knowing a lot of people that did your way, and they not understand my way and i don't their. Mar 09 19:34:18 they are in the opinion, that dynamic types make them unhappy and without control Mar 09 19:34:50 i love dynamical typing and hate what they love. (or miss at scripts) Mar 09 19:36:21 maybe it a question, what kind of character you are... don't know. Mar 09 19:37:22 but we both can't understand/like the other "world" Mar 09 19:39:03 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: ey, what about us? :D Mar 09 19:41:42 Lichtlos: he doenst like you! :D Mar 09 19:44:25 anyone else here use koto player? or are you around Tibfib? I think I've found a bug Mar 09 19:50:35 if you define base 10 values on a base 16 mem address, i dont like you Mar 09 19:50:36 :-P Mar 09 19:50:55 if your one of the nice germans who dosnt do such travesties, i still like you, so dont worry :) Mar 09 19:52:04 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: so I feel liked, then ;) Mar 09 20:01:01 actually a friend i grew up w/ is stationed in germany right now Mar 09 20:01:19 havnt heard from them since they arrived tho Mar 09 20:02:12 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: where in GER? Mar 09 20:02:39 dunno, wherever a us air force base is? :-P Mar 09 20:03:01 oh, now I get "stationed" :D Mar 09 20:05:58 http://twitter.com/venusofmilo hahaha Mar 09 20:21:26 there will be a pc version of webos? Mar 09 20:21:38 i wonder how that will look like Mar 09 20:21:53 yes Mar 09 20:22:09 no one knows but my conjecture: Dashboard/Launchpad OSX a like Mar 09 20:22:12 i wonder how HP will handle "compatibility" Mar 09 20:22:26 Lichtlos: yeah much more hardware to handle Mar 09 20:22:39 or do you mean between mobile and pc version Mar 09 20:22:41 well, I meant software Mar 09 20:22:49 but hardware isn't that hard Mar 09 20:23:02 yeah its linux anyway Mar 09 20:23:19 they will certify their own hardware Mar 09 20:23:44 right i just hope it will be freely available Mar 09 20:23:54 funkatron: did you take a look @ carbon beta? Mar 09 20:23:54 zbenjamin: why should it? Mar 09 20:24:01 leiru: no Mar 09 20:24:08 I don't typically try other programs Mar 09 20:24:11 it's going to be a webkit overlay on Windows 7 that runs Enyo apps Mar 09 20:24:27 SineOt: ?? Mar 09 20:24:34 heh Mar 09 20:24:37 wasn't it meant to dualboot? Mar 09 20:24:42 funkatron: i ever used spaz, but carbons UI is very nice. Mar 09 20:24:50 leiru: okay Mar 09 20:25:02 it could, but I'd be willing to bet a fair amount on it being a webkit overlay on Windows 7 that runs Enyo apps Mar 09 20:25:07 Carbon's dev is free to contribute to Spaz Mar 09 20:25:23 funkatron: actually, i smoked a cig in the kitchen, thinking about your tablet-spaz tweet. nd the this = thats in the spaz source. Mar 09 20:25:32 an Enyo app will already run entirely within a desktop browser like Chrome like they showed off at the Feb 9th event Mar 09 20:25:36 leiru: okay Mar 09 20:26:00 SineOt: we'll see Mar 09 20:26:09 they were showing that off in november Mar 09 20:26:12 why bother to build an OS to run that, and deal with hardware support, when you already have an X86 version of webKit that runs on everything under the sun that can do all the work for you + let your customers continue to use legacy windows apps like Office? Mar 09 20:26:17 March 14th is the next event? Mar 09 20:27:01 SineOt: I get your point, but then again: not everyone runs windows ;) Mar 09 20:27:34 Lichtlos: do you mean you can just get it with a hp pc? Mar 09 20:28:18 Lichtlos: and HP ships a few million Linux PCs to home consumers each year... Oh wait :3c Mar 09 20:28:29 zbenjamin: no, I think they may certify their own series of notebooks Mar 09 20:28:45 SineOt: do they? Mar 09 20:28:55 I've got no clue on what OEMs do Mar 09 20:29:23 Lichtlos: they don't Mar 09 20:29:47 HP's consumer stuff is pretty much all Windows 7 Mar 09 20:29:48 well, since they abandoned WP7, why not abandon windows 7 ;) Mar 09 20:30:37 Not going to happen Mar 09 20:30:59 On the other hand, if they let customers dualboot into linux, there is already a _huge_ number of tools/apps Mar 09 20:31:02 And besides... Having used Windows 7, it's "Really Quite Niceâ„¢" Mar 09 20:31:40 SineOt: I use it myself - in a VM Mar 09 20:35:05 id say do it like the instant on stuff that weve seen before Mar 09 20:35:33 I think the ideal would be an instant on webOS only, and a Windows 7 layer Mar 09 20:35:43 then put it in a virtual machine when it boots up, so we can still have pdk apps work correctly as well Mar 09 20:35:52 yup yup Mar 09 20:36:00 but I'm not going to bet on an instant on or a dedicated OS proper for PCs Mar 09 20:36:07 me neither Mar 09 20:36:12 but it would be awsome :\ Mar 09 20:36:12 when Enyo will run just fine in webkit Mar 09 20:36:38 for sure Mar 09 20:36:59 echo SineOt || /dev/null Mar 09 20:37:06 dont ruin my dream of instant on webos!! Mar 09 20:37:18 well, cat > echo Mar 09 20:37:22 but you get the idea :) Mar 09 20:37:34 Enyo runs in webkit, webkit runs everywhere! I've heard rumors Enyo even runs on the iPad! :p Mar 09 20:37:41 SineOt: you mean grep, don't you? ;) Mar 09 20:37:53 but since it's a constant stream, use gawk :P Mar 09 20:38:06 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: ^ Mar 09 20:38:23 ln /dev/SineOt /dev/null Mar 09 20:38:40 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: softlink? nah Mar 09 20:38:50 -s does the symlink Mar 09 20:39:00 and you cant use that on dev's Mar 09 20:39:24 sudo chmod -x SiLeNt_NiNjA1 Mar 09 20:39:25 :p Mar 09 20:39:33 SineOt: enter password: Mar 09 20:39:38 ctrl-c Mar 09 20:39:44 dicksdicksdicks Mar 09 20:39:46 0 :( Mar 09 20:40:26 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: what about using EFI for instant on? Mar 09 20:41:19 if i could design it, id do it sortve like the linux on a chip that asus has on some laptops Mar 09 20:41:22 i win!! Mar 09 20:41:42 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: linx on a chip? Mar 09 20:42:06 you mean a SoC or just some EEPROM? Mar 09 20:42:19 yup, think of it as a small ssd, but only accessible by the bios Mar 09 20:42:38 so then we have...dualboot ;) Mar 09 20:42:43 i dont recall what type of memory they used, but windows didnt see it at all Mar 09 20:42:58 it loaded that at a keypress on boot, it came up in abt 3sec or so Mar 09 20:42:58 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: which is not that hard to accomplish Mar 09 20:43:05 right Mar 09 20:43:17 but i want it built into something, and that fast! Mar 09 20:43:52 weren't there some sony laptops who hat a seperate OS for media playback? Mar 09 20:44:02 it's the same approach Mar 09 20:44:34 dunno, i ignore sony Mar 09 20:44:51 my wife got one :/ Mar 09 20:44:53 theyre to close to gateway and acer quality wise imo Mar 09 20:45:11 hdd die yet? Mar 09 20:45:20 not yet ;) Mar 09 20:45:28 woa woa woa... are you saying sony's and acers are similar quality wise? Mar 09 20:45:43 theyre notorious for the hdd controllers overworking the drives and killing them Mar 09 20:45:53 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: since she runs linux only, it does not matter Mar 09 20:45:59 and somewhat notorious for bad lcd backlights (but not as notorious as dell) Mar 09 20:46:19 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: not in the vaio z-series ;) Mar 09 20:46:27 halfhalo, at least the sony has problems in only a few specific areas, acer's have problems all over Mar 09 20:46:55 ive seen an acer model w/ 18 bios updates in 4 months Mar 09 20:46:58 and no changelogs Mar 09 20:47:30 sony may have some specific defects on certain things, but their build quality is miles above acer/gateway's Mar 09 20:47:51 yeah, but the drive controllers is a big one Mar 09 20:48:03 my data is more important that anything else on that machine Mar 09 20:48:24 everything else dies, as long as i can pull the hdd and load it in another pc, in place reinstall, and get back up n runnin, im ok Mar 09 20:48:24 as long as the warranty covers that..... Mar 09 20:48:51 the ONLY drive controller issue I know of is not sony specific Mar 09 20:48:51 what i normally see is poor drive controllers causing pre-mature drive failures Mar 09 20:49:01 since they tend to use intel ones Mar 09 20:49:15 or just the drive located to close to the cpu, and gets overheated to much Mar 09 20:49:31 4 out of 5 vaio's that hit my desk are bad hdd Mar 09 20:49:53 i only know 1 person who bought a vaio who hasnt replcaed the drive within 2yrs or so Mar 09 20:49:56 that's a nice thing on my thinkpad..exact opposite ends for those two Mar 09 20:50:04 heats the keyboard evenly ;) Mar 09 20:50:10 haha Mar 09 20:50:22 same w/ my tecra's and quosmio Mar 09 20:51:09 and by drive controller, i also mean the implementation, and bios controlling it, not necessarily the drive controller itself Mar 09 20:51:25 since i never dug quite that deep into every one to see what exactly caused it Mar 09 20:51:29 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: business series? Mar 09 20:51:42 what really annoys me is the models they have that you have to tear down to replace the hdd Mar 09 20:51:59 ive only seen a few of the business series Mar 09 20:52:22 so i dont have enough of a test base to say anything on them with any certainty Mar 09 20:53:01 * halfhalo knows way to much about laptops Mar 09 20:55:07 i know a good bit, but i dont specialize in them Mar 09 20:55:28 i have a pretty good bit of experience fixing them, since i do alot of pc repair on the side from my day job Mar 09 20:55:44 * halfhalo helps run the forums at notebookreview.com Mar 09 20:55:54 Buzz Out Loud has a good summary of HP's move to put WebOS on HP machines. Good stuff. Mar 09 20:56:23 halfhalo, see anything new that compares to the tecra M7 lately? Mar 09 20:56:50 has anyone looked into hosting their own "Palm cloud" and pointing their pre there? Mar 09 20:56:53 is that even possible? Mar 09 20:57:03 i miss that thing :\ a tablet pc, w/ a 14.1in screen, dedicated nvidia gpu, and dual core non-celeron cpu Mar 09 20:57:33 summatusmentis, i suppose if you had control over the data access points you could put in bad dns records and try to emulate their system Mar 09 20:57:39 itd take alot of work tho! Mar 09 20:57:47 not recently, due to the sandybridge freeze Mar 09 20:57:57 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: what do you mean data access points? cell towers and things? Mar 09 20:58:16 well, you could go into the hosts file on the device and set it there individually Mar 09 20:58:22 presumably there's somewhere on the pre that knows who to talk to? Mar 09 20:58:23 or set them all the wifi only, and do it on the ap Mar 09 20:58:38 yeah, alot of it is in compiled code Mar 09 20:58:45 you can see it in the source of some things im sure Mar 09 20:58:49 I sorta wondered about that Mar 09 20:58:49 but i havnt looked into it Mar 09 20:58:52 hrm Mar 09 20:59:08 I've been thinking about this more and more as HP keeps pushing webOS onto more things Mar 09 20:59:14 if its an ip address, you would have to redirect it at the ap Mar 09 20:59:18 I like the functionality, ideally I'd be able to host it myself though Mar 09 20:59:41 if its a dns name, you can just use poisoned dns, or set the hosts file so it always resolves from there Mar 09 21:00:07 halfhalo, yeah, its disappointing that not many ppl bought the mid-range larger tablets Mar 09 21:00:10 to we know anything about the format of the data sent to palm's servers? Mar 09 21:00:10 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: they could use dnssec or dnscurve... Mar 09 21:00:28 so now theyre all really high end ($5k+) or really low end (12in or smaller, intel gpu's ect) Mar 09 21:00:45 Lichtlos, sure, tons of options in that area - any will work :) Mar 09 21:01:05 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: at least when I was looking at tablet convetibles, they were all too heavy, and the pen interfaces seemed weird for desktop OSs Mar 09 21:01:22 Lenovo X220T. Boom. Done. Mar 09 21:01:45 I'm very, very tempted by that Mar 09 21:01:57 I wanna see the reviews, and I wanna be able to run "not windows" on it Mar 09 21:02:04 but that might be my next computer Mar 09 21:02:29 its a mild refresh of the x200t, so most stuff from that applies Mar 09 21:02:43 except for the whole ips screen of win thing Mar 09 21:02:47 but it has a tiny screen :\ Mar 09 21:02:59 12.5in Mar 09 21:03:11 the 14.1in was barely tolerable :\ Mar 09 21:03:12 * halfhalo likes 12/13" notebooks Mar 09 21:03:36 im liking my qosmio x505, but i miss the spinning screen and touch/pen input Mar 09 21:03:44 18.4in display Mar 09 21:03:53 i like having a full num pad Mar 09 21:04:07 halfhalo: I agree, my macbook is a nice size Mar 09 21:04:18 I want my laptop to actually be portable Mar 09 21:04:27 i wind up doing alot of coding hunkered down in a manufacturing cell on a plant floor Mar 09 21:04:34 so i need a good desktop replacement Mar 09 21:04:49 I'm a CS student, I do a lot of coding too :) Mar 09 21:05:03 but there have definitely been times it would've been nice to have a larger screen Mar 09 21:05:42 when your working on a project with a plc, robot, and touch screen, plus reporting data accross a network to otherdevices, debugging gets to be screen real estate hungry Mar 09 21:05:54 since you need to have tons of stuff up and watch it all Mar 09 21:06:03 oh yeah, that sounds awful on 13" Mar 09 21:06:27 novel idea though: external monitor! Mar 09 21:06:32 simulation app grabbing the network comms, siemens,abb ect plc and / or hmi software, abb, fanuc ect robotic software Mar 09 21:06:48 a bit much to bring into a manufacturing cell Mar 09 21:06:58 or the crazy w700ds thinkpad Mar 09 21:07:02 * halfhalo will brb Mar 09 21:07:13 seriously.. why in the hell is it taking so long for this image to upload.. i could have plugged it in and grabbed it off the usb by now Mar 09 21:07:14 most of the time i huddle down in the cell on battery power for 45min-1hr and debug, then go charge and code based on findings Mar 09 21:08:08 halfhalo: external monitors are hard when you're trying to be mobile Mar 09 21:08:10 halfhalo, thats back up to that $5 unaffordable threshhold i mentioned before... :( Mar 09 21:08:30 dawm_, the file hates you. As soon as you grab a cable, itll finish, as if to spit in your face Mar 09 21:08:35 sry, thats just the way it is Mar 09 21:08:37 :-P Mar 09 21:08:53 maybe its because i should keep what this image is showing for sale.. Mar 09 21:09:05 hate to sell em but i dont really plan on using them anytime soon Mar 09 21:09:11 whatcha sellin? Mar 09 21:09:24 swedish swimsuit models? Mar 09 21:09:36 SRT-4 front seats Mar 09 21:10:07 really wish my sister didnt borrow my camera and break it forcing me to use my craptacular palm pre camera ;/ Mar 09 21:10:16 lol Mar 09 21:11:02 well, time to go home Mar 09 21:19:30 Lichtlos: it's really like christmas - like christmas long time ago as i was child. Mar 09 21:24:51 leiru: you got mail? Mar 09 22:19:14 As a developer being forced into making native apps with phonegap, is there any reason what so ever to make a WebOS opensource dev account? Mar 09 22:19:36 I don't see any benefits other than it limits me later from developing a closed source app in addition to my FOSS ones Mar 09 22:19:55 jrabbit: I would say no...there's nothing that stops you from submitting opensource apps as a "regular" account Mar 09 22:20:20 sugardave: thats what I got out of the docs that HP has Mar 09 22:20:30 there used to be a differentiator, that open source devs could submit their apps for free...but regular accounts don't have to pay anmore anyway, so... Mar 09 22:20:33 yeah Mar 09 22:21:01 did they handle providing source or something for those foss apps? Mar 09 22:21:17 no Mar 09 22:21:18 sugardave: but you still need a credit card for the regular apps, which is a problem :) Mar 09 22:21:47 jrabbit: no, but the source is always on your device in some form... so you automatically follow most fsf licenses Mar 09 22:22:00 madnificent: ah Mar 09 22:22:13 jrabbit: ianal though Mar 09 22:22:14 well I'll be safe and provide a link somewhere... Mar 09 22:22:36 it's my code save phonegap so w/e Mar 09 22:23:08 And is there any drawbacks to not submitting your app to HP/Palm? Mar 09 22:23:22 does it just not get a "palm approved" thing with it? Mar 09 22:23:34 less users that can see it, I guess Mar 09 22:23:40 Really? Mar 09 22:23:42 so your target base will be smaller Mar 09 22:23:52 yeah Mar 09 22:23:54 Are some phones limited to approved apps only? Mar 09 22:23:55 :\ Mar 09 22:23:59 no Mar 09 22:24:06 jrabbit: no, but most people don't install non-palm-things :) Mar 09 22:24:13 hm. Mar 09 22:24:14 it's just that to get to them requires steps that not all users will take to get to them in the first place Mar 09 22:24:16 jrabbit: they will not see your app and thus not install it, but they could do it Mar 09 22:24:23 hm. Mar 09 22:24:36 madnificent: how hard is it to get it approved? Mar 09 22:24:38 someone who never installs Preware/AppScoop/Other Product would never see your app Mar 09 22:25:24 I mean I'm really only considering supportign webOS because phonegap does and its not Apple or Blackberry :P Mar 09 22:26:36 and even that is a compromise since the devices API doesn't exist yet Mar 09 22:42:14 Woot! I got my first 'damn you autocorrect' moment. Mar 09 22:42:15 I was complaining about freeloaders on my Wifi tethering... Mar 09 22:42:15 Pre2 thinks wifi is really wife. Mar 09 22:42:41 I have problems with people freeloading on my wife tethering too Mar 09 22:42:43 at least 2.1 autocorrect is awesome and easy to tweak Mar 09 22:42:52 and not the BS press delete to switch it stuff Mar 09 22:43:49 I hate being like, "I need to do X" and then you get ready to do X and find you can't remember what exactly X was Mar 09 22:44:09 and then you talk about X and remember what it was Mar 09 22:45:05 yep Mar 09 22:45:19 usually when I talk about X, it's with the person I promised to do X for originally Mar 09 22:45:27 but didn't do it properly, because I forgot Mar 09 22:46:44 heh Mar 09 23:36:04 So... I have to ask this... But is the process of extracting and replacing the hardware tokens no longer necessary to convert a sprint pre to a pre+ or Pre more specifically? Mar 09 23:36:45 Sorry * pre 2 * Mar 09 23:37:02 projectAlarum- join #webos-internals Mar 09 23:37:02 to my knowledge, yes Mar 09 23:37:06 0_o Mar 09 23:37:11 er, Mar 09 23:37:20 scratch that! yes to it is required Mar 09 23:37:23 not yes to it's not Mar 09 23:37:39 ... Mar 09 23:37:44 readingComprehension ++ Mar 09 23:38:00 I don't understand how it'd work without doing it... Mar 09 23:38:48 But the 'reliable' guides out there don't even mention this part of the process... Mar 09 23:41:43 hmm...I seem to have broken my debian install... Mar 09 23:41:53 sort of Mar 09 23:42:18 all of the newer kernels are having issues booting Mar 09 23:42:52 Loudergood- you like debian ? Mar 09 23:43:22 I think the Linux distro I liked the most was Jolicloud/JoliOS... Probably because it moved Linux as far away from the end user as it could :p Mar 09 23:43:33 I do Mar 09 23:45:05 Loudergood- i would go on debian but its crazy lol :D im on ubuntu atm cause webOS acts right on it Mar 09 23:45:44 no ubuntu is a good polished debian really Mar 09 23:45:49 YEA Mar 09 23:45:59 then what does that make Debian? :p Mar 09 23:46:11 plain Mar 09 23:46:28 well, debian stable is extremely polished Mar 09 23:46:36 with less bling Mar 09 23:46:40 and rock solid Mar 09 23:47:05 rock solid is so overrated Mar 09 23:47:07 debian unstable is...fresh Mar 09 23:47:38 I suffer from versionitis and my laptop is what I use to satisfy it Mar 09 23:48:04 of course this leads to me reinstalling 2-3 times a year Mar 09 23:49:05 Loudergood- i suffer distro wh0reing Mar 09 23:49:14 about every year or ever 5 months i have to try a new distro Mar 09 23:57:05 * oil hates resetting up his pc Mar 09 23:57:14 lol Mar 09 23:57:28 every 5 months sounds like a pain in the ass Mar 09 23:57:43 it is. Mar 09 23:57:57 I'm hoping to find something I actually like soon Mar 10 00:01:50 oil- get linux Mar 10 00:02:04 how do you center Mojo.Menu.commandMenu's? Mar 10 00:05:14 meh Mar 10 00:05:23 just added another bug. :/ Mar 10 00:05:26 graywolf336: put two empty entries in on either side of what you want centered Mar 10 00:05:36 i am developer and no software tester! Mar 10 00:05:38 :) Mar 10 00:05:46 graywolf336: hah, I wanted to know that as well :) Mar 10 00:06:05 SineOt: Thanks! Mar 10 00:06:21 SineOt: ^ from me too (isn't that an ugly solution?) Mar 10 00:06:22 that should do it, at least I think so :p Mar 10 00:06:57 that is THE solution, yeah Mar 10 00:11:33 so just items: [{}, {items: blahblahblah}, {}] Mar 10 00:11:35 ? Mar 10 00:12:29 graywolf336: yes Mar 10 00:13:25 sugardave: it wasn't working but then i realized I forgot to save before pushing it Mar 10 00:13:28 opps lol Mar 10 00:14:06 heh, it happens Mar 10 00:14:40 thanks again! Mar 10 00:24:56 *yawn* Mar 10 00:25:20 which ide do you guys use for coding for webos? Mar 10 00:25:29 I use Espresso Mar 10 00:25:33 eclipse as shown on palm devs or another? Mar 10 00:25:54 I use Eclipse for Mojo Mar 10 00:26:04 this one SineOt ? http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ Mar 10 00:26:10 yup Mar 10 00:26:33 along with https://github.com/onecrayon/WebOS.sugar Mar 10 00:27:03 aha Mar 10 00:27:17 will look cheers Mar 10 00:29:50 leiru: got it Mar 10 00:30:21 sugardave: as i said, it's the prooven algorithm :) Mar 10 00:30:27 hahaha Mar 10 00:30:30 :) Mar 10 00:32:48 mmmh Mar 10 00:33:11 now i am envious Mar 10 00:34:19 you will get yours soon Mar 10 00:34:58 if not, i will have to drive to the US and steal your one Mar 10 00:35:00 :D Mar 10 00:38:13 haha Mar 10 00:41:54 SineOt: Yeah, I read about that being the solution... I couldn't really believe it though. Mar 10 00:42:13 madnificent: hm? the empty spaces? Mar 10 00:44:56 and sdk is still NDA Mar 10 00:45:00 they need to update the site Mar 10 00:46:03 SineOt: yup Mar 10 00:58:58 Got to play with pre 2 today. Palm HP really need to kill the pre line Mar 10 01:00:23 Manners: why? Mar 10 01:00:49 because its not an iphone Mar 10 01:01:05 The phone blows. Will only appeal to a tiny few Mar 10 01:02:11 "blows" isn't very descriptive Mar 10 01:03:13 SineOt: it's not big enough to eat your meals off of Mar 10 01:05:14 Screen is tiny n keyboard is cramped. Its basically the same as the pre which was also rejected so not sure why they released a rehash of it Mar 10 01:05:36 you mean the pre "2" is much like the pre? Mar 10 01:05:41 * oil is shocked Mar 10 01:05:52 shocked?! Mar 10 01:06:05 I think palm just wants to fail at everything they do. They have not been successful at anything in a long time Mar 10 01:06:25 Manners- you mean HP now ? Mar 10 01:06:33 Manners: it's like you've seen their internal senior management presentations! Mar 10 01:06:47 astute Mar 10 01:06:50 I should say HP. Mar 10 01:06:59 Manners- true multitasking can't be beat so pre > all Mar 10 01:07:28 But failing started with the palm brand and the pre line was palm creation Mar 10 01:07:44 :D Mar 10 01:08:20 * oil assumes manners is android fanboy Mar 10 01:08:48 lol Mar 10 01:08:54 oil- i0s/android Mar 10 01:09:03 no, hes on sprint Mar 10 01:09:07 It just doesn't make sense. They brought the pre and said palm is back. That failed. Went back to the drawing board and decided to bring another pre and another larger pre Mar 10 01:09:09 aw Mar 10 01:09:24 unless hes a, what else they got? blackberry fan? Mar 10 01:09:31 sprint got android Mar 10 01:09:35 wp7? Mar 10 01:09:45 no, no cdma qp7 for a while still right? Mar 10 01:09:50 no clue :) Mar 10 01:09:51 Who is advising these people. I am no fanboy. I had a pre for we'll over a year Mar 10 01:09:58 the failure of the Pre can be chalked up to a number of reasons, but saying that it because it exists is why it failed is kind of dumb, Manners Mar 10 01:10:18 the Pre2 is basically the last ditch effort by a company hovering on bankruptcy, so yeah, it didn't really change much Mar 10 01:10:49 but if you like webos, pre2 is the best hardware out there right now Mar 10 01:10:52 I have 4 Pres now, my - that I will keep until the contract runs out at least, the + and now 2 2s :) Mar 10 01:10:54 I've touched the Pre3 and it's a very different device ;o Mar 10 01:12:01 SineOt- how diffrent ? Mar 10 01:12:24 and the keyboard on the Veer is a good sign that they've learned a lot about designing a slider keyboard compared to what shipped on the Pre/Pre2 Mar 10 01:12:34 What palm needs to do is bring devices that people want to buy. Look at Motorola. They were failing until they changed the lineup to what consumers want. Mar 10 01:12:35 it's pretty solid, I guess? Mar 10 01:12:48 Manners: a... large screened slider? :p Mar 10 01:13:09 Isn't that what's selling? That and slates Mar 10 01:13:58 motorola made a device people were told they wanted on vzw ... is that really a good thing to bring up ? Mar 10 01:14:18 because it was all vzw had while att had iphone Mar 10 01:14:30 Manners: and the Pre3 is... A large screened slider? :p Mar 10 01:14:41 Is palm going to continue making phones that consumers obviously don't want? Without buyers the developer situation will remain the same unless HP does a Microsoft Mar 10 01:14:44 Anyone having problems uploading a new app to the developer site for submission? It's saying that they can't save my submission at this time and it's been saying that all day. Mar 10 01:14:53 * oil wants pre1, 2, 3, etc Mar 10 01:15:03 you can't lump all consumers together Mar 10 01:15:09 if that were the case there would be 1 phone Mar 10 01:15:12 and thats the phone you get Mar 10 01:15:17 because why would you want something different? Mar 10 01:15:21 are you crazy? Mar 10 01:15:29 The demand is for slates mostly. Phones that are thin Mar 10 01:15:32 or go from "Moto saved itself with a large screened slider, Palm fucked themselves with a large screened slider" Mar 10 01:15:50 ive been told the veer is the smallest smartphone yet Mar 10 01:15:53 thats also bad? Mar 10 01:15:55 the Pre3 is decidedly thin for being a slider of that size though Mar 10 01:16:00 Manners, FWIW I see loads of people using slider phones Mar 10 01:16:14 SineOt, its because it has no internal battery Mar 10 01:16:15 nokia, samsung etc etc Mar 10 01:16:17 I like my slider phone Mar 10 01:16:28 what they didnt show you was the monster battery pack that makes the XBOX 360 Power supply look tiny Mar 10 01:16:37 haha Mar 10 01:16:40 and if you look at the sliding mechanism on the Veer/Pre3, it's obvious they've gone and beefed them up with two large metal rails Mar 10 01:16:52 dawm_: on a serious note though the new wall chargers are MASSIVE Mar 10 01:17:00 The pixie was also small. Mar 10 01:17:01 Just watching the iPad2 guided tours, HP is fighting an uphill battle with a new tablet Mar 10 01:17:06 well.. Mar 10 01:17:10 look at it this way Mar 10 01:17:11 they're like the size of two of the current ones stacked and then made about 1.5x as big around Mar 10 01:17:20 the original ipod chargers were the same size as the macbook chargers Mar 10 01:17:21 but apparently put out the same juice :T Mar 10 01:17:29 really the iPad2 video tour shows off some really amazing features Mar 10 01:17:30 now their about the size of the pre charger Mar 10 01:17:36 destinal: maybe we'll get lucky and HP will get a TouchPad 2 before the end of the year :) Mar 10 01:17:47 but the beastly chargers charged much quicker than the tiny ones Mar 10 01:17:47 they said summer right? Mar 10 01:17:55 dawm_: these are going the other way though, from Pre charger size to an even bigger one :p Mar 10 01:17:57 sugardave: lol maybe a few months after the touchpad Mar 10 01:18:00 i know Mar 10 01:18:05 heh Mar 10 01:18:29 TP2 comes out December 22, 2012 Mar 10 01:18:42 sugardave: maybe they can even be really slick and announce the second touchpad right before the first one hits the shelves Mar 10 01:18:50 but we're all dead on the 21st soo.. Mar 10 01:19:02 destinal: par Mar 10 01:19:07 solar flares and what not Mar 10 01:20:43 sugardave: after watching the videos though the one feature we really need to make a homebrew app for. Airplay Mar 10 01:21:41 dawm_- TP2 ? Mar 10 01:21:54 everyone is fighting an uphill battle compared to the iPad 2 though, to be fair destinal Mar 10 01:22:05 TouchPad 2 ... Mar 10 01:22:11 really? i had to explain that? Mar 10 01:22:12 be it Motorola or Samsung or Mar 10 01:22:21 hell they're all fighting an uphill battle against the iPad 1 still Mar 10 01:22:24 the only tablet i've seen that even competes with apple's pricing is the nook color .. everything else has seemed laughable Mar 10 01:22:26 SineOt: iPad was just okay IMO, iPad2 really seems to have matured the idea of a full featured device, not a toy Mar 10 01:22:41 i played with an iPad for the first time today.. it seemed heavy Mar 10 01:22:44 or maybe it's just the new IOS Mar 10 01:23:18 "The Xoom! The iPad killer! Only 868$!" "The Galaxy Tab! The iPad killer! Only 900$!" Mar 10 01:23:37 "The iPad 2! The iPad killer! Only 499$!" :B Mar 10 01:23:46 dawm_- yes Mar 10 01:23:51 SineOt: I really like my nook color modified to be a full featured android tablet. only $250 :) Mar 10 01:23:57 :) Mar 10 01:24:00 TP2 comes out December 22, 2012 < -- where in 2011 Mar 10 01:24:12 oh my bad Mar 10 01:24:15 ... Mar 10 01:24:18 i was taking a call lol Mar 10 01:24:24 the end of the world is supposidly 12 / 21 / 12 Mar 10 01:24:28 It's a bit heavy, but it's really nothing unmanageable... We've got one we use for Netflix and crap, and it's got a bit of weight to it that makes it feel solid, not so much heavy. Mar 10 01:24:30 . /facepalm Mar 10 01:24:33 :) Mar 10 01:24:42 that must have been some call Mar 10 01:24:43 But then again I'm not someone who lays on my back and holds a tablet over my head to use it. Mar 10 01:24:59 I hate doing that even with a smartphone though, so. P: Mar 10 01:25:17 i heard EOW is in May Mar 10 01:25:35 destinal: yeah, I've never used it but, Airplay-type functionality would kick ass Mar 10 01:25:40 http://philscarblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/163489_10150111819515420_550060419_7995137_6637129_n.jpg Mar 10 01:25:42 haha Mar 10 01:26:09 sugardave: yeah, and even if you don't have any apple products, using the protocol they designed seems smart for interoperability Mar 10 01:26:18 right Mar 10 01:26:19 XBMC already supports it Mar 10 01:43:19 why won't my emu login to an email account Mar 10 01:44:46 you have an email emu? Mar 10 01:44:49 can I have one? Mar 10 01:45:13 I want an emu that will read me my email Mar 10 01:46:02 yeah. You know how some people have people to handle stuff for them? I can't afford people, so I got an emu instead. Lazy bastard. Mar 10 01:47:40 probably better than my cat. All he does is sleep all day. Mar 10 01:49:07 maybe, but I bet your cat doesn't poop as much Mar 10 01:55:27 I guess Mar 10 01:55:34 he does sleep a lot Mar 10 01:56:06 he sleeps all day because he is busy all night thinking of ways to kill you Mar 10 01:57:14 or just because he's a lazy ass Mar 10 01:57:23 hmmm Mar 10 01:57:38 oil: no, he's busy drilling all night. Mar 10 01:57:39 http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php Mar 10 01:58:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLSgiDxAckg Mar 10 01:59:22 eddie izzard is amazing Mar 10 01:59:56 if weboskd works on ubuntu it has to work on debian eh ? Mar 10 02:00:07 s/weboskd/webossdk Mar 10 02:26:52 joeb_: kind of. I imagine it should. but its upstart script won't work without upstart, you'll need to start novacomd by hand or make an init script Mar 10 02:28:12 that sucks Mar 10 02:28:21 destinal- you got that script :D Mar 10 02:30:31 destinal- i don't program so it shouldn't matter .. i only will need novacomd when i get my pre2 back and want to do some command line stuff to it Mar 10 02:30:44 s/pre2/anypre Mar 10 02:35:42 joeb_: so what do you do with SDK, just emulator? Mar 10 02:36:21 destinal- yea .. i just want all the commands on my box so in case i want to use novacomd or whatever i can just access it and not install it manually / plus emulator Mar 10 02:36:31 err Mar 10 02:36:37 s/novacomd/novaterm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 10 02:59:57 2011