**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:57 2011
Mar 15 03:00:08 <dkirker> Tibfib: I have tried a few different things that didn't work. Honestly, I am not sure how to completely get it working. Some apps stupidly hard code things to the built in browser. I could probably wrote a wrapper app that takes the com.palm.app.browser app id and launches Universe.
Mar 15 03:00:10 <SineOt> dkirker: if you want any UI stuff to well uh, make Universe a bit more "unique" just let me know and I'd be happy to help :p
Mar 15 03:00:28 <dkirker> SineOt: Of course! Any help/suggestions are always welcome. :)
Mar 15 03:00:30 <SineOt> what apps hardcode things?
Mar 15 03:00:35 <Tibfib> dkirker: whatever works
Mar 15 03:00:39 <madnificent> universe?
Mar 15 03:00:47 <SineOt> depending on what those apps are it might just be a nonissue to well... just ignore them
Mar 15 03:00:48 <Tibfib> essential for a user like me... I RARELY if ever just open up the browser
Mar 15 03:00:56 <Tibfib> it's always links from spaz or newsroom
Mar 15 03:01:03 <dkirker> SineOt: Relego for one (I have a custom version that I modified).
Mar 15 03:01:12 <dkirker> madnificent: web browser that I am working on.
Mar 15 03:01:14 <funkatron> ESSENTIAL
Mar 15 03:01:22 <Tibfib> funkatron: correctamundo
Mar 15 03:01:25 <madnificent> dkirker: cool :)
Mar 15 03:01:36 <SineOt> I think as long as the stock apps work, like messaging, email, etc... It shouldn't be TOO bad if something will launch the hardcoded browser
Mar 15 03:01:41 <Tibfib> funkatron: thanks for the koto shout out. I'll have to give the podcast a full listen when it's available
Mar 15 03:02:22 <SineOt> at least in terms of effort needed to be put out by you, dkirker, versus the number of users that would require feature X
Mar 15 03:02:23 <funkatron> yeah of course homie
Mar 15 03:03:15 <Tibfib> goodnight everyone
Mar 15 03:03:16 <SineOt> dkirker: I'm going to go grab some food, but I have an idea on how to work around hard coded browser launches
Mar 15 03:03:38 <dkirker> SineOt: Alright, thanks! Email will be arriving shortly.
Mar 15 03:03:43 <dkirker> Tibfib: Good night!
Mar 15 03:23:50 * madnificent buys papal credit to call the IRS
Mar 15 03:25:45 <SineOt> madnificent: papal credit? I didn't know you knew the Pope :3
Mar 15 03:33:54 <madnificent> SineOt: LoL
Mar 15 03:34:08 <madnificent> SineOt: yeah, and he costs me loads of money!  Especially when I make him call to the us
Mar 15 03:34:18 <madnificent> typos mean bedtime
Mar 15 04:10:39 <halfhalo> HAH
Mar 15 04:10:47 <halfhalo> Volcano in Japan
Mar 15 04:11:20 <ajay> sineot: did you ever hear from slydial or adora?
Mar 15 04:11:37 <ajay> half: what the shit! that sounds hella sucky..
Mar 15 04:11:43 <SineOt> ajay: no and no
Mar 15 04:12:00 <ajay> sineot: and meetup was fruitless I assume?
Mar 15 04:12:11 <SineOt> their support is about as useful as a dead fish
Mar 15 04:12:12 <ajay> ohh, apothekar is on the frontpage of news.com
Mar 15 04:12:16 <ajay> haha
Mar 15 04:12:34 <ajay> i sent them that email i got, they said they'll investigate.. did you get it btw?
Mar 15 04:12:42 <SineOt> Yeah.
Mar 15 04:13:04 <SineOt> And yeah they said they'd open a limited investigation but they've done nothing since.
Mar 15 04:13:22 <SineOt> Slydial said they'll look into why I never got contacted back but I have a feeling it'll end up the same way.
Mar 15 04:13:29 <ajay> haha
Mar 15 04:13:32 <SineOt> Adora hasn't answered any tweets or PMs.
Mar 15 04:13:39 <ajay> weird
Mar 15 04:13:44 <SineOt> I'm going on a month now without hearing anything back about a dev Pre2.
Mar 15 04:13:56 <ajay> reminds me of a scene from malcolm in the middle "it's exactly like being radioactive"
Mar 15 04:13:57 <SineOt> Yeah I'm starting to just get tired of caring and that's a Bad Thingâ„¢
Mar 15 04:14:13 <ajay> sine: I haven't heard either.. i'm not good enough i suppose..
Mar 15 04:15:16 <SineOt> The only stuff I've heard back was from PDC saying they'd look into what was going on.
Mar 15 04:15:27 <SineOt> The entire program right now seems like it's horribly fucked.
Mar 15 04:15:33 <SineOt> For lack of a better term.
Mar 15 04:15:58 <ajay> sineot: I was trying to get folks to apply for the original (Pre+) program, and they.. were less than impressed even then, so didn't even bother
Mar 15 04:17:29 <SineOt> I've heard reports of people getting approved for devices without any contact back, people getting told that they're out of Pre2s and are waiting on a new shipment, people told that they aren't eligible for a device, people who emailed after I did getting contact back about their device experience.
Mar 15 04:17:44 <SineOt> And it's just like, god. I just want to hear if I can get one or not.
Mar 15 04:18:43 <ajay> tots
Mar 15 04:19:20 <halfhalo> it is a known fact the program is messed up
Mar 15 04:19:33 <halfhalo> there are like 3 email people and a bajillion emails
Mar 15 04:19:55 <SineOt> It was fucked with the Pre+ program, so it's pretty awful looking from an end user position that they went and redid it.
Mar 15 04:22:58 <SineOt> What I'm saying is: Why is it taking a month for me to get copy pasted an excel spreadsheet
Mar 15 04:24:32 <ajay> sineot: from the combo of what Rod says and what they posted in the dev forums, it sounds like they might not be using that as their primary tool, and instead individually checking people out?
Mar 15 04:25:32 <SineOt> then that just raises even more questions. The Pre+ spreadsheet had -you- do all the work to put everything into one place. What are they doing now, sitting around googling your name to see what they can dig up?
Mar 15 04:27:40 <ajay> sine: I was thinking they were looking up your published apps, my guess anyways..
Mar 15 04:29:39 <SineOt> ajay: even that shouldn't take a month to figure out if someone is eligible or not
Mar 15 04:30:57 <ajay> sineot: depending on how many?  And how much time per day they spend on it? yeah.. one really has to wonder what goes on in the inside
Mar 15 04:31:44 <ajay> palm's like the gov't -- no transparency.
Mar 15 04:32:49 <SineOt> that's what I wonder. I know there's a lot of variables but it just ends up coming out looking incompetent
Mar 15 04:41:12 <SineOt> welp, yeah, I'm in give up on caring mode :I
Mar 15 04:41:25 <SineOt> I think I'm going to go play pokemon instead of working on some apps! :I
Mar 15 04:42:10 <destinal> SineOt: incompetent seems to be the overall picture that's becoming increasingly obvious.  I really hope HP changes that or proves me wrong
Mar 15 04:42:41 <SineOt> Yeah, I've been gungho about the webOS platform because I think it's genuinely the best out there
Mar 15 04:43:02 <SineOt> but from a developer standpoint, all I can see is HP either not giving half a damn, or just outright pissing all over me
Mar 15 04:43:26 <SineOt> and it's really hard to care about a platform and getting apps out there when the company is seemingly going out of its way to not care about you
Mar 15 04:46:30 <ajay> sineot: It's kind of shocking to read certain palm employees, they're really worried about people wanting freebies.. really, that's your main concern? how about worrying about attracting/maintaining developers! who gives a damn if someone wants/gets a freebie!
Mar 15 04:47:38 <destinal> ajay: giving away a few to undeserving folks in order to give a lot to legtiimate devs shouldn't be the focus, this is investment
Mar 15 04:48:07 <destinal> they can lose a few extra units
Mar 15 04:48:18 <ajay> destinal: exactly
Mar 15 04:48:25 <halfhalo> or ALOT of extra
Mar 15 04:48:31 <destinal> and who knows, some of the "undeserving" people may surprise you and develop something cool or spread word of mouth
Mar 15 04:48:34 <sugardave> what a coincidence
Mar 15 04:48:40 <sugardave> I could use some extra TOuchPads
Mar 15 04:49:21 * halfhalo wants some
Mar 15 04:49:22 <destinal> sugardave: TBH, pre2 is the best place for them to do this, I expect they're going to lose money on it anyway
Mar 15 04:49:40 <SineOt> Even if it's "undeserving" people they at least went through the effort to 1) know the give away was happening and 2) care enough about webOS to jump through all the hoops to try to get one
Mar 15 04:50:14 <sugardave> destinal: sure, but I already have one, so I'm looking BEYOND
Mar 15 04:50:21 <sugardave> :)
Mar 15 04:50:23 <destinal> sugardave: hehe
Mar 15 04:51:30 <SineOt> You know what I have right now? I have a Pixi minus that will never see 2.0 in its life, and an ATT Pre+ that will never see a legit version of 2.x and in all likelihood given the way Palm has spoken about the 2.1 update for O2, will probably never even see 2.2 or 2.3
Mar 15 04:52:09 <SineOt> Yet here I am, three emails and a month later, still wondering if they'll ever think it's worth getting back to me about a device so I can do anything.
Mar 15 04:52:50 <destinal> SineOt: just hang onto the O2 2.1 doctor, I expect we can make any future 2.x version whether or not new O2 pre+ 2.x doctors are released
Mar 15 04:53:36 <SineOt> destinal: it's more that I don't want to pin "does it work well on device" onto something that's essentially hacked together, and by virtue of being on ATT, will never be able to even purchase or view 2.x only apps
Mar 15 04:53:52 <SineOt> that's pretty far from a valuable development device
Mar 15 04:54:00 <destinal> SineOt: yeah,  I agree, we shouldn't have to hack things together to work on 2.x
Mar 15 04:54:19 <SineOt> where I couldn't even BUY a 2.x app that I wrote using the device I tested it on
Mar 15 04:54:32 <RagingMind> destinal, the 2.1 pre+ doctor has the right graphics parts?
Mar 15 04:54:44 <SineOt> yes it does
Mar 15 04:54:45 <RagingMind> it helps if I watch what room I'm typing into...
Mar 15 04:54:57 <SineOt> which was the major sticking point for the earlier frankenpre efforts
Mar 15 04:55:19 <ajay> destinal/sineot/halfhalo: I hope you guys will speak up thusly in the dev forums (if you haven't already)
Mar 15 04:55:20 <destinal> RagingMind: yup, that was what we needed and we've got it legally
Mar 15 04:55:57 <RagingMind> destinal, so you could if you wanted build a 2.0.1 Pre+ doctor?
Mar 15 04:56:07 <RagingMind> not sure why you'd want to... but you could?
Mar 15 04:56:14 <SineOt> and destinal, even if 2.2 and 2.3 can be made to work using parts from the 2.1 doctor, that just means that it'll diverge further and further from what runs on an actual device
Mar 15 04:56:16 <destinal> RagingMind: yes, and I've done it just to prove it out
Mar 15 04:56:24 <SineOt> making it less and less useful from a development standpoint
Mar 15 04:57:39 <SineOt> ajay: I will, but I want to cool off first
Mar 15 04:57:53 <SineOt> I may not seem it but I'm INCREDIBLY pissed off right now for a number of reasons
Mar 15 04:58:14 <RagingMind> SineOt, from a dev stand point sure... but for us lusers out there that would otherwise be stuck on 1.4.5 for over a year from now... it's greatly appreciated :)
Mar 15 04:58:55 <RagingMind> I still have 13 months left before I can upgrade
Mar 15 04:59:15 <SineOt> Oh, no, trust me, that's great for everyone regardless of if they use a device to develop or not. It's just that you mix in this seemingly "don't give a fuck" response to a developer program to make sure developers have GOOD devices in their hands and it just makes things that much worse
Mar 15 04:59:42 <SineOt> I emailed the 15th of last month and I have heard zero back out of Palm
Mar 15 05:00:14 <SineOt> the only contact back I've had was from Sue in the Developer Connection thanking me for the input on how fucked the program is and that she'd try to see if she could figure out what was going on with it
Mar 15 05:00:51 <SineOt> And even that was going on 9 or 10 business days ago
Mar 15 05:02:42 * ajay also has 13 months before 2 yrs is up..
Mar 15 05:03:09 <SineOt> I'm up for my discounted upgrade in September.
Mar 15 05:03:10 <PatrickC_Pixi> hay all
Mar 15 05:04:18 <ajay> hay hay hay
Mar 15 05:04:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> hows it goin ajay?
Mar 15 05:07:38 <ajay> patrick: good, ready to do some more webOS fun after my mini-vacay.. you?
Mar 15 05:07:38 <codeslaw> yo
Mar 15 05:07:53 <PatrickC_Pixi> any puppy linux users here?
Mar 15 05:07:56 <PatrickC_Pixi> goin good
Mar 15 05:08:11 <PatrickC_Pixi> just tryin to use git on puppy
Mar 15 05:27:35 <ajay-away> paz!
Mar 15 05:39:38 <PatrickC_Pixi> hay adora
Mar 15 05:42:44 <PatrickC_Pixi> adora: if I have a question for Chuq, could you also possibly answer that too (since he is on a vacation)?
Mar 15 05:42:57 <Adora> possibly
Mar 15 05:42:57 <PatrickC_Pixi> if not, I'll wait for an email back from him
Mar 15 05:43:12 <PatrickC_Pixi> I'll PM you the question
Mar 15 05:44:18 <PatrickC_Pixi> question has been PMed :)
Mar 15 07:14:05 <PatrickC_Pixi> dawm: you here?
Mar 15 07:16:57 <PatrickC_Pixi> hotdp: you on sprint?
Mar 15 07:17:05 <hotdp> nopes, from eu
Mar 15 07:17:24 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok
Mar 15 07:17:44 <hotdp> whats up?
Mar 15 07:19:16 <PatrickC_Pixi> I need something from a spring user
Mar 15 07:19:57 <hotdp> oki :)
Mar 15 07:26:41 <swisstomcat> morning
Mar 15 07:27:00 <hotdp> Good morgning swisstomcat
Mar 15 07:27:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> morning
Mar 15 07:27:51 <swisstomcat> morning hotdo,patrickc
Mar 15 07:27:56 <swisstomcat> hotdp even
Mar 15 07:34:07 <PatrickC_Pixi> night all
Mar 15 07:36:21 <MetaView> hi swisstomcat, hotdp
Mar 15 07:36:34 <swisstomcat> moin metaview
Mar 15 07:47:26 <MetaView> can I specify a mask when doing Image.draw() ?
Mar 15 07:50:54 <swisstomcat> sdl?
Mar 15 07:57:00 <MetaView> no js
Mar 15 08:07:37 <swisstomcat> canvas then
Mar 15 08:09:05 <MetaView> yes, I'm drwing on a canvas, and I would like to give the icons some nice mask around
Mar 15 10:26:41 <Hendikins> Heh, nice to see xterm working on 2.1. A mate of mine reckons seeing an X11 server running on a phone is cool... but useless :P
Mar 15 10:29:30 <MetaView> xterm works and terminus... there are 2 options gain...
Mar 15 10:29:32 <rwhitby-away> Hendikins: it is the only terminal app working on 2.x at the moment, so not useless at all.
Mar 15 10:29:44 <rwhitby-away> MetaView: yes, I will add the same technique to terminus now
Mar 15 10:30:45 <Hendikins> rwhitby-away: I pointed that out to him.
Mar 15 12:04:43 <thomaschaaf> Hey is there anyway to keep the phone lit?
Mar 15 12:06:48 <swisstomcat> i think so
Mar 15 12:06:52 <swisstomcat> display manager?
Mar 15 12:12:04 <thomaschaaf> display manger only allows to be notified but not actually change the screen state
Mar 15 12:12:21 <swisstomcat> hmm, i thought there was something
Mar 15 12:12:26 <swisstomcat> maybe it was the activity manager
Mar 15 12:12:36 <swisstomcat> would have to check the docs
Mar 15 12:36:36 <thomaschaaf> hmm found no way :/ guess screen will stay off
Mar 15 12:42:58 <MetaView> no, there is a way
Mar 15 12:43:37 <swisstomcat> how?
Mar 15 12:43:50 <swisstomcat> i don't remember
Mar 15 12:46:13 <MetaView> this.controller.stageController.setWindowProperties({blockScreenTimeout: false, setSubtleLightbar: true});
Mar 15 12:48:35 <swisstomcat> thx
Mar 15 12:48:41 <swisstomcat> add it do webos101.com?
Mar 15 12:48:54 <MetaView> I guess it's there already?
Mar 15 12:48:59 <swisstomcat> is it?
Mar 15 12:49:08 <MetaView> may you add it? I need to go to my daughter
Mar 15 12:49:14 <MetaView> bbl
Mar 15 12:49:28 <swisstomcat> i will
Mar 15 13:32:29 <kubbbi> is anyone here who live only from webos development?
Mar 15 13:32:43 <swisstomcat> i wish :)
Mar 15 13:33:21 <hotdp> me2 :P
Mar 15 13:33:35 <hotdp> maybe angrybirds devs can :P
Mar 15 13:34:19 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 15 13:42:20 <kubbbi> swisstomcat, hotdp do you develop for other platforms too:)?
Mar 15 13:42:22 <funkatron> hahahahhahahahahahahahah ano.
Mar 15 13:43:07 <swisstomcat> i do, but nothing in the app stores yet (ios,android)
Mar 15 13:43:25 <swisstomcat> basically cross-platform library exploration
Mar 15 13:46:09 <kubbbi> i thought that quite good application should be easy to sell in app-catalog. there aren't many high quallity apps there
Mar 15 13:46:41 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 15 13:46:49 <swisstomcat> but customers have been dwindling
Mar 15 13:47:04 <swisstomcat> but it's a good idea to get ready for the next wave of customers
Mar 15 13:47:21 <MetaView> I'm sure I will...
Mar 15 14:04:17 <MetaView> how to set an app to fullscreen?
Mar 15 14:07:12 <swisstomcat> this.controller.enableFullScreenMode(true);?
Mar 15 14:07:21 <MetaView> ah, right, thx
Mar 15 14:07:36 <MetaView> just was on my way to check the controller classes
Mar 15 14:15:57 <vaibhav> take a look at this question http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11976 basically I am not able to access data returned by a sql request
Mar 15 14:18:38 <swisstomcat> vaibhav: how do you call that function?
Mar 15 14:19:26 <swisstomcat> dao.retrieveTotal(this.processResults.bind(this));?
Mar 15 14:19:29 <swisstomcat> (as an example)
Mar 15 14:20:18 <vaibhav> yes
Mar 15 14:20:19 <MetaView> select sum(amount) as summe
Mar 15 14:20:30 <MetaView> rows[i].summe
Mar 15 14:20:45 <vaibhav> what is summe
Mar 15 14:20:55 <PatrickC_Pixi> hay
Mar 15 14:20:59 <MetaView> it's a new name for the field sum(amount)
Mar 15 14:21:00 <swisstomcat> and then in the processResults function, you can access inResults.length and the data
Mar 15 14:21:01 <MetaView> an alias
Mar 15 14:21:35 <PatrickC_Pixi> halfhalo: ping!
Mar 15 14:21:50 <swisstomcat> inResults[i].station
Mar 15 14:21:57 <swisstomcat> if you loop through inResults
Mar 15 14:22:17 <PatrickC_Pixi> hay metaview
Mar 15 14:22:24 <MetaView> hi
Mar 15 14:23:07 * PatrickC_Pixi wishes he *could* have save/restore backuped before he doctord last night :'(
Mar 15 14:23:20 <vaibhav> i was not using alias, small mistake, thanks guys. was wasting my time from last 4 hours because of this
Mar 15 14:32:15 <thomaschaaf> argh.. stupid application approval process did not catch that I uploaded the wrong screenshot.. why would they not take a look at the pictures once more :/ http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/public/7952/de/images/1/L/camera_2011-24-02_085001.png is oviously not the correct image
Mar 15 14:32:23 <thomaschaaf> I thought they tested the apps
Mar 15 14:32:34 <swisstomcat> they might not check the screenshots
Mar 15 14:32:41 <swisstomcat> do a metadata update
Mar 15 14:32:44 <swisstomcat> that should be quick
Mar 15 14:33:23 <PatrickC_Pixi> metadata update still needs to go through approval
Mar 15 14:34:12 <thomaschaaf> they should get the apps approved by other app makers... or get some kind of fast approval service..
Mar 15 14:34:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> I know
Mar 15 14:34:50 <thomaschaaf> there must be some stupid company which has people on staff all day round to look at apps and texts.. instead they seem to have 1 person in the us checking the apps
Mar 15 14:34:56 <HattCzech_work> anyone have a webos 2 device and willing to test an update to my app?
Mar 15 14:35:02 <thomaschaaf> sure
Mar 15 14:35:07 <thomaschaaf> HattCzech_work: what app?
Mar 15 14:35:12 <HattCzech_work> txt group
Mar 15 14:35:16 <swisstomcat> hattczech: sure
Mar 15 14:35:20 <HattCzech_work> contacts work differently, so it broke :/
Mar 15 14:35:27 <PatrickC_Pixi> sure hatt
Mar 15 14:35:29 <HattCzech_work> packaging it now
Mar 15 14:36:15 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok
Mar 15 14:38:06 <PatrickC_Pixi> what's the app do?
Mar 15 14:38:50 <thomaschaaf> pre fills the text message app I think
Mar 15 14:40:44 <swisstomcat> group messaging
Mar 15 14:40:58 <PatrickC_Pixi> cool
Mar 15 14:42:16 <HattCzech_work> correct
Mar 15 14:46:44 <HattCzech_work> http://hattczech.homeip.net/com.hattczech.txtgroup_1.0.9_all.ipk
Mar 15 14:47:16 <HattCzech_work> that SHOULD work for 2.0+ devices
Mar 15 14:47:33 <HattCzech_work> (and 1.4.5 devices as well)
Mar 15 14:48:15 <swisstomcat> testing on pre2 with 2.1
Mar 15 14:48:38 <PatrickC_Pixi> my pre+ with 2.1 is re-booting
Mar 15 14:49:58 <swisstomcat> hm
Mar 15 14:50:03 <swisstomcat> i can add people to the group
Mar 15 14:50:14 <swisstomcat> but the save button is not enabled
Mar 15 14:51:32 <swisstomcat> oh
Mar 15 14:51:39 <swisstomcat> looks like my fault
Mar 15 14:51:41 <swisstomcat> seem to work
Mar 15 14:51:41 <PatrickC_Pixi> downloading now
Mar 15 14:51:46 <swisstomcat> need to test the sending tho
Mar 15 14:52:32 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pixi: why would you need to reboot?
Mar 15 14:52:34 <swisstomcat> yeah, works
Mar 15 14:54:29 <HattCzech_work> there is no save button, it does it automatically
Mar 15 14:54:30 <PatrickC_Pixi> I had just finished installing some patches
Mar 15 14:54:45 <HattCzech_work> cool, thanks swisstomcat
Mar 15 14:54:55 <HattCzech_work> and PatrickC_Pixi, let me know if it works for you
Mar 15 14:55:09 <PatrickC_Pixi> ok, trying to download it now
Mar 15 14:57:43 <PatrickC_Pixi> the send button isn't working
Mar 15 14:58:29 <PatrickC_Pixi> the airplain button isn't sending it
Mar 15 14:58:38 <PatrickC_Pixi> but other then that, it works
Mar 15 14:59:18 <swisstomcat> worked for me
Mar 15 14:59:32 <PatrickC_Pixi> hmm
Mar 15 14:59:33 <swisstomcat> do all the group members have a mobile phone #?
Mar 15 14:59:37 <PatrickC_Pixi> lemme try something
Mar 15 14:59:43 <PatrickC_Pixi> only 1 does
Mar 15 15:01:01 <PatrickC_Pixi> still not working
Mar 15 15:01:12 <swisstomcat> maybe that's the problem
Mar 15 15:01:25 <swisstomcat> all my group members had mobile # numbers
Mar 15 15:02:51 <PatrickC_Pixi> I fixed that
Mar 15 15:03:04 <PatrickC_Pixi> made it only phone number people in groups
Mar 15 15:03:12 <PatrickC_Pixi> still no luck
Mar 15 15:03:57 <HattCzech_work> send button not working?
Mar 15 15:04:19 <HattCzech_work> yeah, the numbers need to be selected if they're not mobile
Mar 15 15:06:11 <PatrickC_School> still not working...
Mar 15 15:08:04 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 votes for the problem being PEBKAC
Mar 15 15:08:07 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> :)
Mar 15 15:08:16 <PatrickC_School> probably
Mar 15 15:08:38 <PatrickC_School> :)
Mar 15 15:08:48 <PatrickC_School> hows it goin silent_ninja1?
Mar 15 15:09:52 <PatrickC_School> tibfib is Spaz, right?
Mar 15 15:10:09 <funkatron> he has contributed to Spaz
Mar 15 15:10:26 <funkatron> I don't believe a person can be equated with an application though
Mar 15 15:10:28 <destinal-work> funkatron is the biggest spaz
Mar 15 15:10:29 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> nb, downloading a 95mb file on my tethered connection
Mar 15 15:10:34 <cwayne> PatrickC_School: shouldnt you be payin attention in school?
Mar 15 15:10:50 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> if id known i was gonna need this, idve downloaded it at my office w/ bonded t1's :/
Mar 15 15:10:51 <destinal-work> :)
Mar 15 15:10:53 <swisstomcat> funkatron=spaz master
Mar 15 15:12:04 <thomaschaaf> funkatron: why is there a star in the bar in spaz? (top, right) I am unable to click it.. and it seem to have no function
Mar 15 15:12:15 <funkatron> thomaschaaf: aesthetics.
Mar 15 15:12:22 <PatrickC_School> to look cool :)
Mar 15 15:12:25 <nebula> hey developer relations team, i'm getting lonely here waiting for your response to my e-mail *sob*
Mar 15 15:12:37 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> randomness
Mar 15 15:12:37 <thomaschaaf> nebula: what are you waiting for?
Mar 15 15:12:39 <PatrickC_School> I downloaded Spaz beta last night :)
Mar 15 15:12:40 <nebula> s/relations/marketing
Mar 15 15:12:42 <nebula> woops
Mar 15 15:12:57 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> nebula, we intercepted it and sold it to the highest bidder
Mar 15 15:13:03 <nebula> figures
Mar 15 15:13:22 <funkatron> PatrickC_School: Spaz sucks
Mar 15 15:13:29 * PatrickC_School got it for $0.05
Mar 15 15:13:37 <nebula> so yes, developer marketing team: can i get some <3
Mar 15 15:13:47 <funkatron> they are asleep
Mar 15 15:14:06 <thomaschaaf> I don't like the face always get asked what left wing / socialistic app it is because of the logo design..
Mar 15 15:14:17 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> nebula, for <3 they suggest you go to the raunchy clubs in vegas :)
Mar 15 15:14:28 <PatrickC_School> it is 8:11 AM there, they sleep in till at least 12:00PM :)
Mar 15 15:14:55 <thomaschaaf> nebula: it's called 9 to 6 for a reason... and 9 to 12 is always coffee break
Mar 15 15:15:26 <nebula> ah yes
Mar 15 15:15:50 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: btw http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.komola.hercalendar
Mar 15 15:16:25 <PatrickC> what's up with the app description?
Mar 15 15:16:36 <swisstomcat> yeah
Mar 15 15:16:38 <swisstomcat> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-03-13_1921.png
Mar 15 15:16:38 <swisstomcat> ?
Mar 15 15:16:46 <HattCzech_work> PatrickC_School: what does it do when you try to send it?
Mar 15 15:16:53 <HattCzech_work> doesn't open the messaging app?
Mar 15 15:16:57 <PatrickC> yea
Mar 15 15:17:03 <PatrickC> no open messaging app
Mar 15 15:18:47 <funkatron> awesome: http://help.getspaz.com/discussions/desktop-problems/128-jjsu
Mar 15 15:18:52 <HattCzech_work> but you have a group and number selected, right?
Mar 15 15:18:57 <thomaschaaf> I can only see the german one let me recheck that
Mar 15 15:19:09 <HattCzech_work> well, it shouldn't let you unless you do, so i assume you do
Mar 15 15:19:58 <thomaschaaf> the release of hercalendar is absolute fail
Mar 15 15:20:00 <thomaschaaf> for me
Mar 15 15:20:36 <swisstomcat> get in touch with adora
Mar 15 15:20:59 <thomaschaaf> what can she do?
Mar 15 15:21:17 <haeffb> she can tell funny stories to make you feel better
Mar 15 15:21:32 <haeffb> either that or fix the submission problem. I forget which.
Mar 15 15:21:50 <thomaschaaf> I just did a meta update
Mar 15 15:22:05 <thomaschaaf> hopefully that will not take tooo long
Mar 15 15:22:10 <haeffb> she can expedite an update, too
Mar 15 15:22:25 <haeffb> or do a song and dance routine
Mar 15 15:22:30 <thomaschaaf> anyone else feel there is no real top 10 applications in webOS catalogue such as in apples app store?
Mar 15 15:22:34 <haeffb> either way, something helpful
Mar 15 15:23:02 <thomaschaaf> feels really clumbsy with the categories..
Mar 15 15:25:09 <thomaschaaf> I would really like a calendar widget
Mar 15 15:25:37 <thomaschaaf> is there a place where we as developers can vote on stuff like this?
Mar 15 15:25:48 <sugardave> hahahahaha
Mar 15 15:25:54 <thomaschaaf> forums seem to be a bad solution for this
Mar 15 15:25:55 <sugardave> that's a good one
Mar 15 15:27:19 <swisstomcat> thomasschaaf: there was a recent blog post on the developer portal about a calendar widget of some sort
Mar 15 15:27:29 <haeffb> thomaschaaf: Jeremy Thomas posted on palm's dev blog a JS library for creating a calendar-style date-selection widget
Mar 15 15:27:38 <haeffb> swisstomcat wins
Mar 15 15:27:48 <swisstomcat> heh
Mar 15 15:27:57 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> get one of the js calendars
Mar 15 15:27:59 * thomaschaaf bows before you
Mar 15 15:28:05 <swisstomcat> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/playing-with-prototype-extensions/
Mar 15 15:28:10 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> gurt calendar for something similear
Mar 15 15:28:10 * swisstomcat wins again ;)
Mar 15 15:29:05 <haeffb> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/playing-with-prototype-extensions/
Mar 15 15:29:20 * haeffb just waited for swisstomcat to post the link, then copy/pasted
Mar 15 15:29:22 * haeffb wins
Mar 15 15:29:24 <thomaschaaf> hmm does not look pretty though
Mar 15 15:29:31 <haeffb> CSS it up
Mar 15 15:29:55 * haeffb couldn't get it working in a dialog, but didn't try real hard
Mar 15 15:30:03 <thomaschaaf> well someone at palm sat there and made it pretty for a month why can't I just get that as a widget :/
Mar 15 15:31:31 <haeffb> if you contact "germboy" on twitter, he can probably hook u up
Mar 15 15:32:17 <sugardave> meetings BAAAAAD
Mar 15 15:32:18 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> he accepts cash, expensive electronics, or loose females
Mar 15 15:32:21 <thomaschaaf> the code of the calendar is in the references but it will take a lot longer than I anticipated to get a calendar
Mar 15 15:32:29 <swisstomcat> :D
Mar 15 15:33:21 <swisstomcat> germboy=bad kitty dev .. so he probably knows some things about good looking apps
Mar 15 15:33:31 <swisstomcat> or at least unique looking apps :)
Mar 15 15:34:46 <thomaschaaf> looking at some apps on the apple app store makes me angry at palm because the apple devs seem to get really cool widgets they can just use in their app
Mar 15 15:34:59 <thomaschaaf> but then again they have to code in god ridden objective C
Mar 15 15:37:15 <PatrickC> sorry, dads phone acting up again
Mar 15 15:37:22 <PatrickC> what did I miss??? :)
Mar 15 15:38:33 <swisstomcat> 2.x sdk was released
Mar 15 15:38:41 <swisstomcat> after intense pressure from developers
Mar 15 15:39:13 <PatrickC> what?!?!?!?!
Mar 15 15:39:18 <swisstomcat> jk
Mar 15 15:39:25 <PatrickC> :'(
Mar 15 15:39:25 <swisstomcat> sadly :(
Mar 15 15:39:36 <PatrickC> I thought you were serious :p
Mar 15 15:39:38 <swisstomcat> it's ridicoulous
Mar 15 15:40:08 <swisstomcat> frankly put
Mar 15 15:40:12 <swisstomcat> embarassing
Mar 15 15:40:24 <PatrickC> yes it is
Mar 15 15:40:48 <swisstomcat> many people said it many times
Mar 15 15:40:52 <swisstomcat> hasn't helped
Mar 15 15:40:53 <swisstomcat> so far
Mar 15 15:41:08 <swisstomcat> needs more pressure
Mar 15 15:41:24 <swisstomcat> or a leak from everyone
Mar 15 15:41:26 <PatrickC> I wonder if they will even release a 2.x SDK
Mar 15 15:41:39 <PatrickC> they might just go to 3.x
Mar 15 15:41:47 <swisstomcat> although i think to remember that they don't really care about the NDA anymore
Mar 15 15:42:02 <swisstomcat> just something about release logistics
Mar 15 15:42:07 <PatrickC> what about the NDA?
Mar 15 15:42:18 <haeffb> first rule of NDA
Mar 15 15:42:24 <swisstomcat> why would they care about the NDA?
Mar 15 15:42:38 <PatrickC> don't talk about NDA
Mar 15 15:43:38 <swisstomcat> NDA NDA NDA NDA
Mar 15 15:43:43 <swisstomcat> bla bla bla bla
Mar 15 15:44:06 * PatrickC Chuq, oh Chuq :p
Mar 15 15:44:18 <haeffb> swisstomrebel
Mar 15 15:44:21 <PatrickC> j/k
Mar 15 15:44:34 <swisstomcat> chuq is on vacation
Mar 15 15:44:39 <swisstomcat> but he's not calling the shots
Mar 15 15:44:50 * PatrickC Adora, oh Adora
Mar 15 15:44:58 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> chuq just relays the shots that were called
Mar 15 15:44:58 <swisstomcat> richard, oh richard
Mar 15 15:45:43 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 15:46:25 * PatrickC rwhitby, oh rwhitby
Mar 15 15:46:29 <PatrickC> :)
Mar 15 15:47:02 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> now if we see a ping timeout from swisstomcat, someone check for black vans around his house
Mar 15 15:47:29 * PatrickC is in the black van heading toward his house
Mar 15 15:47:55 <swisstomcat> what is this i  hear .. helicopter noise … what the<CARRIER LOST>
Mar 15 15:48:24 <PatrickC> bye bye swisstomcat
Mar 15 15:48:41 * PatrickC muahahahahaha
Mar 15 15:48:52 <swisstomcat> i'm being abducted and put in  charge of SDK releases .. oh no!
Mar 15 15:48:56 <PatrickC> that was a big mushroom cloud
Mar 15 15:49:22 <sugardave> swisstomcat: ship it
Mar 15 15:49:47 <PatrickC> ship the 3.x SDK please
Mar 15 15:50:11 <swisstomcat> done
Mar 15 15:50:16 <swisstomcat> that was easy :)
Mar 15 15:50:43 <shiawuentan> 3.x SDK already available for beta?
Mar 15 15:50:48 <PatrickC> yay
Mar 15 15:50:54 <shiawuentan> where?
Mar 15 15:51:03 <PatrickC> if it was, we couldnt say
Mar 15 15:51:07 <PatrickC> but its not :'(
Mar 15 15:51:20 <swisstomcat> my dropbox
Mar 15 15:51:21 <swisstomcat> :D
Mar 15 15:51:27 <shiawuentan> ~.~
Mar 15 15:51:31 <PatrickC> invite please
Mar 15 15:51:38 <swisstomcat> it's public
Mar 15 15:51:42 <swisstomcat> harharhar
Mar 15 15:51:53 <PatrickC> link
Mar 15 15:51:56 <PatrickC> :D
Mar 15 15:52:20 <PatrickC> can you ship Enyo too please?
Mar 15 15:52:31 <shiawuentan> btw…enyo is only for local test at the moment right?
Mar 15 15:52:34 <PatrickC> and Sprint 2.1 doctors while youre at it
Mar 15 15:52:41 <shiawuentan> how to i deploy a enyo app to Pre 2?
Mar 15 15:52:43 <PatrickC> enyo is NDA
Mar 15 15:53:35 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> shiawuentan, email pdc@palm.com ,request access to the early access program
Mar 15 15:53:44 <shiawuentan> i already in
Mar 15 15:53:51 <swisstomcat> enyo is nda, we can't discuss it here
Mar 15 15:53:57 <PatrickC> the fact you are in, is NDA
Mar 15 15:54:00 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> then go look in the early access forums
Mar 15 15:54:11 <PatrickC> shiawuetan: see my PM
Mar 15 15:54:21 <shiawuentan> ok…just being lazy :D
Mar 15 15:54:32 <sugardave> shiawuentan: a little bird told me that you can just use palm-package/palm-install
Mar 15 15:56:15 <shiawuentan> let me try to package and install the bird :D
Mar 15 15:56:42 * PatrickC catches bird before it is put in the package
Mar 15 15:56:42 <shiawuentan> was thinking it's different
Mar 15 15:58:35 <PatrickC> to another subject: look!!! a HP Touchpad!
Mar 15 15:58:42 * PatrickC points to the corner
Mar 15 15:59:16 <swisstomcat> look, a puppy
Mar 15 15:59:24 <PatrickC> where where????
Mar 15 16:00:12 <swisstomcat> right here
Mar 15 16:00:17 <swisstomcat> look how cute
Mar 15 16:00:22 <shiawuentan> want!
Mar 15 16:00:26 * PatrickC looks for the puppy
Mar 15 16:00:34 <PatrickC> ooo found it!!
Mar 15 16:00:38 <PatrickC> he's mine!
Mar 15 16:00:46 * PatrickC takes puppy home
Mar 15 16:01:03 <swisstomcat> attention sucessfully diverted from touchpad
Mar 15 16:01:06 <swisstomcat> harharhar
Mar 15 16:01:22 <PatrickC> must........
Mar 15 16:01:25 <PatrickC> have.........
Mar 15 16:01:32 <PatrickC> Touchpad!!!!!
Mar 15 16:01:55 <PatrickC> thanks for reminding me what we were talking about swisstomcat :)
Mar 15 16:05:27 <shiawuentan> anyone having problem with the HTML generated by the RichTextEdit Widget?
Mar 15 16:06:20 <shiawuentan> I got a bad form HTML which I need extra efforts to reformat it to a valid XHTML for Atom Publishing Protocol
Mar 15 16:08:14 <PatrickC> hay dawm
Mar 15 16:08:24 <dawm|laptop> i think im just gonna finish my game as is, spruce it up with gfx and forgo the animations that i wanted to do (canvas is ghey)
Mar 15 16:08:39 <PatrickC> I'll beta :)
Mar 15 16:10:35 <shiawuentan> swisstomcat: when will HP open the market to Asia countries? e.g. Singapore
Mar 15 16:10:39 <swisstomcat> i have a game read to beta too
Mar 15 16:10:43 <swisstomcat> ready
Mar 15 16:10:53 <swisstomcat> shiawuentan: tomorrow
Mar 15 16:10:57 <swisstomcat> :D
Mar 15 16:11:03 <sugardave> sure
Mar 15 16:11:05 <dawm|laptop> ive had mine ready for months, just been lazy and wanted to do it all fancy like with canvas but canvas is ghey
Mar 15 16:11:13 <PatrickC> http://m.precentral.net/webos-2-app-development-sad-case
Mar 15 16:11:16 <PatrickC> its true
Mar 15 16:11:20 <swisstomcat> sorry, i don't know .. i hope sooner than later … they're starting to pay attention to europe, which is good
Mar 15 16:11:28 <shiawuentan> I'm in Singapore but only can access limited app to install
Mar 15 16:11:35 <swisstomcat> yeah, i've heard about that
Mar 15 16:11:43 <swisstomcat> same where in switzerland .. only free apps
Mar 15 16:11:45 <swisstomcat> no paid apps
Mar 15 16:11:59 <swisstomcat> i assume this will change in june with the touchpad release
Mar 15 16:12:04 <shiawuentan> I want Need for Speed :D
Mar 15 16:12:05 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> shiawuentan, take a vacation to the US, doctor your phone and make a palm profile while your here w/ a borrowed sim card, go back home and enjoy full US app cat access :)
Mar 15 16:12:27 <PatrickC> nice :D
Mar 15 16:12:36 <swisstomcat> also take a prepaid visa-gift card with you
Mar 15 16:12:52 <dawm|laptop> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110312.gif
Mar 15 16:12:57 <shiawuentan> scratching my blank pocket :'(
Mar 15 16:14:03 <PatrickC> the webOS Today?
Mar 15 16:14:05 <PatrickC> http://paper.li/DatenRATTE/1297414730
Mar 15 16:14:20 <swisstomcat> datenratte? data rat … :)
Mar 15 16:15:00 <swisstomcat> bbl
Mar 15 16:16:48 <sugardave> hmm, never got a confirmation email from the person I'm supposed to hear from in 15 minutes or so
Mar 15 16:17:57 <PatrickC> what the email suppose to be about?
Mar 15 16:18:24 <sugardave> a confirmation of time to talk on the phone
Mar 15 16:19:01 <PatrickC> ahh
Mar 15 16:19:06 <PatrickC> tibfib: you here?
Mar 15 16:20:21 <destinal-work> SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I thought you could never get paid app access with a device that had ever previously been activated anywhere without it?
Mar 15 16:20:37 <destinal-work> it's the initial activation that creates the device record that's the issue, I think
Mar 15 16:21:51 <sugardave> yes, that is how I recall the issue, as well
Mar 15 16:21:54 <PatrickC> but he would still get free apps I believe
Mar 15 16:23:05 <shiawuentan> hate free apps…keep crashing
Mar 15 16:23:05 <PatrickC> tibfib: here boy
Mar 15 16:23:11 <shiawuentan> maybe not compatible
Mar 15 16:24:11 <shiawuentan> another bad thing is my GSM phone not able to get the 3G signal that my mobile provider broadcast
Mar 15 16:25:09 <shiawuentan> all the time GPRS and occasionally get EDGE
Mar 15 16:26:14 <Manners> The current webos apps work with the pre 2?
Mar 15 16:26:33 <PatrickC> most do
Mar 15 16:26:46 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> found a few here n there that done
Mar 15 16:26:55 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> some pdk apps w/ sdl viewport issues
Mar 15 16:27:56 <PatrickC> #KotoPlayer for #WebOS 2.1.0 is by far best #music player i ever used .. i've been using #ipods my whole life #hp #palm
Mar 15 16:28:12 <PatrickC> I thought that would make tibfib happy :)
Mar 15 16:28:19 <PatrickC> I found that tweet
Mar 15 16:29:46 <cwayne> #you mean #you #found #that #tweet
Mar 15 16:30:15 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 16:30:48 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> patrickC, quit sucking up, he isnt gonna send you the full version ipk free :-P
Mar 15 16:30:56 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 16:31:09 <PatrickC> that wasn't my tweet :p
Mar 15 16:31:44 <PatrickC> wow
Mar 15 16:31:52 <PatrickC> XTerm is really nice :)
Mar 15 16:33:26 <Manners> I was under the assumption that webos apps were backward compatible. What happens if you update the apps for 2.0? They stop working in 1.4? What are developers going to do?
Mar 15 16:34:13 <PatrickC> mojo is backward compatible, enyo idk
Mar 15 16:34:26 <sugardave> hmm, maybe they will use APIs that are backwards-compatible
Mar 15 16:34:27 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> Manners, they are back compat if they dont use any of the new / updated api's
Mar 15 16:34:45 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> otherwise, set a minimum os version on the app for 2.0 on the update
Mar 15 16:34:50 <sugardave> if it's really bothering you, why don't you get in the early access program and see what happens when you dev a 2.x app and run it on 1.4.x?
Mar 15 16:35:11 <sugardave> if it works, awesome...if not, limit it to 2.x and above
Mar 15 16:35:16 <sugardave> it's not rocket surgery
Mar 15 16:35:30 <PatrickC> rocket surgery hehe
Mar 15 16:35:35 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> rocket surgery? Thats sounds like an explosively good time!!
Mar 15 16:35:57 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 16:40:08 <Manners> In other words there is no incentive to use the new APIs
Mar 15 16:40:29 <PatrickC> yes there is
Mar 15 16:40:35 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> Manners, sure there is, if you want synergy, exhebition, or just type support in your apps
Mar 15 16:40:47 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> just type alone is a big boost imo
Mar 15 16:40:49 <PatrickC> a lot of people are using 2.x and there will be more in the future
Mar 15 16:41:21 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> patrickC, remember a good number of them cant get 2.x marked apps from the catalog as they have to masquerede still though
Mar 15 16:41:38 <haeffb> some 2.x features are fully backward compatible
Mar 15 16:41:46 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> but there are still a good number who can get them
Mar 15 16:41:59 <PatrickC> if they ran the new meta-doctor scipts, didn't it fix that?
Mar 15 16:42:14 <Manners> According to that new precentral artilce there re 2 dozen of them
Mar 15 16:42:34 <haeffb> for instance, adding JustType support doesn't break 1.4.5 compatability
Mar 15 16:42:39 <haeffb> or so I've heard
Mar 15 16:42:45 <sugardave> Manners: by all means, refuse to run any 2.x apps
Mar 15 16:43:00 <haeffb> even refuse to develop any 2.x apps
Mar 15 16:43:04 <sugardave> indeed
Mar 15 16:44:33 <SiLeNt_NiNjA> patrickCnot everyone, there are still some devices that cant
Mar 15 16:45:59 <MetaView> HP/Palm should 1) bring back CRUD API for backward campatibility, a CRUD API wrapper would all which is needed
Mar 15 16:46:30 <MetaView> 2) tell exactly how long they ship Mojo and whatever devs have the option to bundle it with their app
Mar 15 16:46:54 <MetaView> or even better, ship Mojo as long as they have less than 100k apps
Mar 15 16:49:14 <sugardave> if they'd release the 2.0 SDK, then maybe there would be some direction to have devs convert from CRUD to new hotness
Mar 15 16:49:51 <MetaView> it's barely documented and confusing to work directly with the DB
Mar 15 16:50:04 <MetaView> we need a backward layer
Mar 15 16:50:12 <MetaView> everything else is just stupid
Mar 15 16:59:12 <HattCzech_work> PatrickC: still around?
Mar 15 16:59:38 <Manners> Less than 100K apps? They'll be shipping mojo forever with the current rate.
Mar 15 16:59:39 <HattCzech_work> any other people willing to test an app in 2.0+?
Mar 15 16:59:39 <PatrickC> yep
Mar 15 16:59:52 <MetaView> Manners: my word
Mar 15 17:00:02 <MetaView> HattCzech_work: yes
Mar 15 17:01:10 <HattCzech_work> http://hattczech.homeip.net/com.hattczech.txtgroup_1.0.9_all.ipk
Mar 15 17:01:26 <HattCzech_work> ok, so PatrickC, you typed a message and tried to hit send and nothing happened?
Mar 15 17:01:34 <PatrickC> yep
Mar 15 17:01:41 <HattCzech_work> :/
Mar 15 17:01:58 <HattCzech_work> did they change the launch params for messaging in 2.0?
Mar 15 17:02:13 <HattCzech_work> what version of webos you using?
Mar 15 17:02:36 <HattCzech_work> and swisstomcat isn't here anymore, so i don't know what he was running
Mar 15 17:02:44 <PatrickC> 2.1 vzw Pre+
Mar 15 17:03:25 <MetaView> swisstomcat: has a Pre2 with 2.1.0
Mar 15 17:06:21 <MetaView> ok, msg app start with my text and all users of the group
Mar 15 17:06:41 <PatrickC> it could be I'm on an unactivated device
Mar 15 17:07:09 <MetaView> works as expected
Mar 15 17:25:58 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, PatrickC... that's a thought
Mar 15 17:26:17 <HattCzech_work> i should try it on my att dev phone
Mar 15 17:26:31 <HattCzech_work> thanks, MetaView
Mar 15 17:28:07 <MetaView> you're welcome
Mar 15 17:29:25 <MetaView> HattCzech_work: feature request: after I add some groups, let me add some predefined texts and then make a start screen with a list of groups on top and a list of predef texts in bottom
Mar 15 17:29:45 <HattCzech_work> you can do quicktext
Mar 15 17:29:46 <MetaView> or 2 screens: 1) I tap the group, 2) i tap the text, that's it
Mar 15 17:29:55 <MetaView> yes, but easier
Mar 15 17:30:20 <HattCzech_work> so fewer taps?
Mar 15 17:30:23 <MetaView> and then put it into just type: I just type the name of my quicktext and all I need is to select the group
Mar 15 17:30:26 <MetaView> yes
Mar 15 17:30:51 <MetaView> I type: late -> groupSMS -> work -> send
Mar 15 17:31:02 <MetaView> that would be speedy
Mar 15 17:31:22 <HattCzech_work> you're talking about just type features, aren't you? :)
Mar 15 17:32:04 <HattCzech_work> i'm working on revamping both txt group and txt manager (homebrew)
Mar 15 17:32:13 <HattCzech_work> i just need to find more time to finish them up :/
Mar 15 17:35:53 <HattCzech_work> when doing copyrights, do you span years?
Mar 15 17:36:08 <MetaView> sometimes
Mar 15 17:36:09 <HattCzech_work> © 2010-2011 or just © 2011 ?
Mar 15 17:36:18 <MetaView> mostly I forget to update them
Mar 15 17:36:25 <HattCzech_work> hehehe, same here
Mar 15 17:36:31 <HattCzech_work> i just noticed right before i finished
Mar 15 17:36:35 <MetaView> I don't have to write the copyright down to have the copyright
Mar 15 17:37:03 <MetaView> :)
Mar 15 17:46:30 <HattCzech_work> very true
Mar 15 17:46:38 <HattCzech_work> but it's nice when it looks like i pay attention :)
Mar 15 17:46:43 <HattCzech_work> even if i don't most of the time
Mar 15 17:47:12 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> he has his attention piped to /dev/null
Mar 15 17:47:21 <SiLeNt_NiNjA1> so it goes in 1 ear, and out to null
Mar 15 17:47:57 <sugardave> 2.0 out of NDA this week?  hmmm, should I hold my breath?
Mar 15 17:48:17 <sugardave> Adora: ping!
Mar 15 17:48:33 <maik> anyone having trouble with sounds playing on 2.1 ?
Mar 15 17:48:45 <maik> a few of my WAVs just refuse to play
Mar 15 17:56:49 <PatrickC> hows it goin?
Mar 15 18:02:31 <haeffb> maik: choose better music
Mar 15 18:03:26 <maik> haeffb: notification sounds, not really music
Mar 15 18:03:58 <haeffb> oh. well. nevermind.
Mar 15 18:04:11 <haeffb> the default files, or something you added?
Mar 15 18:06:13 <maik> something i added
Mar 15 18:10:24 <haeffb> can't test, then, I haven't added any .WAV's
Mar 15 18:13:31 <maik> no big deal.  WAVs are often picky.  might convert to MP3 and be done with it
Mar 15 18:13:45 <maik> or rather, things that process WAVs are often picky
Mar 15 18:26:15 <destinal-work> wow, great response by McKinney. Though a promise of it this week isn't the same as "here's the download link" but here's hoping
Mar 15 18:32:29 <HattCzech_work> so should i bother sending another email to the marketing people about the pre2?
Mar 15 18:32:49 <dohtem> Hello guys
Mar 15 18:32:55 <HattCzech_work> i'd gladly skip that and pay for a beta pre3 if they gave me the option
Mar 15 18:33:02 <dawm> hah
Mar 15 18:33:09 <dawm> i sent a 2nd email yesterday
Mar 15 18:33:13 <dawm> figured worth a shot
Mar 15 18:35:30 <HattCzech_work> i'd be on my 3rd if i did
Mar 15 18:35:40 <HattCzech_work> eh, might as well
Mar 15 18:36:09 <HattCzech_work> anyone know if you can change/update your account e-mail?
Mar 15 18:55:29 <sugardave> you know what?
Mar 15 18:55:36 <sugardave> OAuth really pisses me off
Mar 15 18:55:57 <halfhalo> Shocker
Mar 15 18:56:30 <sugardave> maybe they could have made it more difficult to implement
Mar 15 18:56:38 <sugardave> I don't know...
Mar 15 18:56:43 <dawm> dave are you using the oauth lib?
Mar 15 18:57:02 <sugardave> heavily modified
Mar 15 18:57:08 <dawm> hah
Mar 15 18:57:25 <sugardave> trying to get beyond "invalid signature" at this point
Mar 15 19:13:35 <HattCzech_work> any palm people around today?
Mar 15 19:36:42 <joeb_> j #webos-internals
Mar 15 19:36:44 <joeb_> err
Mar 15 19:36:50 <joeb_> i needed a /
Mar 15 19:36:51 <joeb_> lol
Mar 15 19:38:35 <hotdp> ahh
Mar 15 19:40:18 <joeb_> anyone in the sacramento california area ?
Mar 15 20:00:25 <HattCzech_work> be back in a bit
Mar 15 20:02:20 <leiru> when i put my pre2 on the touchstone it goes standby and on again and again. anyone has this issue too?
Mar 15 20:02:59 <leiru> first: standyby, some time later: "pls enter password", then: "standby" ...
Mar 15 20:04:56 <madnificent> took me more than an hour to get on the phone with the IRS :/
Mar 15 20:05:04 <madnificent> but I have a number now :)
Mar 15 20:05:08 <MetaView> cool
Mar 15 20:05:11 <MetaView> congrats
Mar 15 20:05:15 <madnificent> thanks
Mar 15 20:06:23 * sugardave makes it past the initial HR screening.
Mar 15 20:06:34 <madnificent> sugardave: at hp?
Mar 15 20:06:55 <sugardave> yes
Mar 15 20:08:02 <MetaView> what are you doing?
Mar 15 20:08:11 <PatrickC> I need ubuntu help :'(
Mar 15 20:08:24 <Lichtlos> PatrickC: is it school related?
Mar 15 20:08:26 <Lichtlos> :P
Mar 15 20:08:29 <PatrickC> it won't accept my password.. anyone have this problem before?
Mar 15 20:08:32 <PatrickC> nope :p
Mar 15 20:08:54 <PatrickC> awesome sugardave!
Mar 15 20:09:21 <Lichtlos> PatrickC: use livecd, edit your passwd/shadow files, reboot
Mar 15 20:09:38 <PatrickC> what do you mean "use livecd"?
Mar 15 20:09:45 <PatrickC> I installed into the vbox...
Mar 15 20:10:01 <PatrickC> I'm totally new to ubuntu :D
Mar 15 20:10:26 <Lichtlos> PatrickC: use virtual live cd image :)
Mar 15 20:13:39 <PatrickC> 2 Pre - on Sprint and a Hero for $200
Mar 15 20:13:42 <PatrickC> not bad
Mar 15 20:20:34 <leiru> ah! seems that the back of it produces that. changed the back with my old pre(-)
Mar 15 20:20:37 <leiru> now it works
Mar 15 20:21:07 <PatrickC> I'm just gonna re-install later
Mar 15 20:21:43 <joeb_> whats wrong with the ubuntu install ?
Mar 15 20:21:46 <leiru> hrm. refactored alot of code in easterhegg app from congress 2010. now with completly dynamic widget creation in pure JS and swiping and orientation change.
Mar 15 20:22:13 <PatrickC> joeb_ didn't take my password
Mar 15 20:22:17 <PatrickC> couldn't log in
Mar 15 20:22:21 <joeb_> PatrickC, to what ?
Mar 15 20:22:28 <PatrickC> xubuntu
Mar 15 20:22:47 <joeb_> login to root as single user and change your login password for your user
Mar 15 20:23:03 <PatrickC> how do I do that? lol
Mar 15 20:23:15 <joeb_> hold on let me find a guide
Mar 15 20:23:27 <PatrickC> lets talk over PM so we don't clutter the channel :)
Mar 15 20:25:17 <madnificent> sugardave: congrats :)
Mar 15 20:25:28 <leiru> sugardave: what does this mean?
Mar 15 20:26:00 <sugardave> I am on the path, that's all
Mar 15 20:26:11 <leiru> to the SWAT?
Mar 15 20:26:13 <leiru> or what?
Mar 15 20:26:25 <sugardave> or devrel
Mar 15 20:26:27 <MetaView> hacking the HP db to get inside
Mar 15 20:27:10 <dkirker> sweet! More bug fixes!
Mar 15 20:27:14 <PatrickC> releasing the SDK for us
Mar 15 20:27:26 * dkirker does the bug fix dance
Mar 15 20:27:54 <leiru> i should write them fastly a candidature and grab your job, sugardave :P
Mar 15 20:28:27 <sugardave> leiru: I think they're building a whole team :)
Mar 15 20:28:54 <leiru> just kidding.
Mar 15 20:29:05 <leiru> and i think, they don't want europeans
Mar 15 20:29:36 <leiru> swisstomcat wrote them once, i think.
Mar 15 20:30:14 <dkirker> I think that they'll start expanding to Europe. It sound like they are having a hard enough time with the US as it is...
Mar 15 20:30:20 <dkirker> You know, 2.0 SDK and all...
Mar 15 20:31:29 <sugardave> yeah, I can't imagine them going too long with no European SWAT/devrel engineers
Mar 15 20:33:49 <PatrickC> should I enter to win the koycera echo?
Mar 15 20:34:01 <PatrickC> sprint sent me an email about it
Mar 15 20:34:36 <PatrickC> who in here likes the Echo?
Mar 15 20:34:56 <dohtem> win, then ebay
Mar 15 20:35:08 <madnificent> PatrickC: doesn't matter.  Win, sell, send money to me :)
Mar 15 20:35:20 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 20:35:32 <PatrickC> did anyone else get the email from Sprint?
Mar 15 20:36:15 <PatrickC> the form factor almost makes me want to leave my Pixi if I win it......
Mar 15 20:37:22 <PatrickC> wow, I thought you guys would be all "traitor" and stuff :p
Mar 15 20:38:58 <Lichtlos> PatrickC: no one cares ;)
Mar 15 20:39:20 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 20:40:23 <leiru> MetaView: let's say i got a number by the IRS - what do they mean with "Backup Withholding" - should i say yes or no?
Mar 15 20:41:18 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: what are you being congradulated on?
Mar 15 20:41:24 <HattCzech_work> congratulated*
Mar 15 20:42:17 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: not much, really...I made it past the first hurdle in the SWAT team position hunt
Mar 15 20:42:31 * dohtem stops reading earthquake news... this is depressing :(
Mar 15 20:43:02 <HattCzech_work> and this is one of the palm jobs?
Mar 15 20:43:11 <HattCzech_work> i think i remember you mentioning something about it
Mar 15 20:43:16 <sugardave> yeah
Mar 15 20:43:42 <sugardave> they have devrel engineers and swat team to hire
Mar 15 20:43:47 <PatrickC> sugardave is the person who will save us from our 2.x NDA misery
Mar 15 20:44:05 <sugardave> I say let it be out by the end of the week
Mar 15 20:44:10 <dohtem> haha, sugardave will crack the whip harder!
Mar 15 20:44:22 <PatrickC> by the end of the week?
Mar 15 20:44:28 <PatrickC> end of the hour :)
Mar 15 20:44:50 <destinal-work> PatrickC: it will be out by the end of the week though
Mar 15 20:44:58 <destinal-work> sugardave is just that good.  watch.
Mar 15 20:45:03 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 20:45:33 <sugardave> hahaha
Mar 15 20:45:47 <HattCzech_work> so you going to be working around here? or relocating?
Mar 15 20:46:25 <PatrickC> does that mean we would have to email sugardave if we need something?
Mar 15 20:46:47 <PatrickC> now I'm *really* scared
Mar 15 20:47:14 <sugardave> they have some office spots and telecommute spots, apparently
Mar 15 20:47:25 <sugardave> no moving required if it works out :)
Mar 15 20:47:35 <dohtem> not bad
Mar 15 20:47:43 <PatrickC> what city are you in now?
Mar 15 20:47:46 <dohtem> telecommute and work in your pjs
Mar 15 20:48:30 <sugardave> I'm in Austin, TX
Mar 15 20:48:49 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: if you get this job, you need to make sure they have some sort of dev conference here :)
Mar 15 20:48:50 <sugardave> I think there are HP offices here, but I'm not sure where/what type
Mar 15 20:49:07 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: indeed :)
Mar 15 20:49:10 <PatrickC> or in Nashville :)
Mar 15 20:49:28 <PatrickC> Nashville is a good central location
Mar 15 20:49:55 <halfhalo> except no hp devs are near there
Mar 15 20:50:06 <PatrickC> there are at least 2
Mar 15 20:50:14 <PatrickC> me and one other person :)
Mar 15 20:50:25 <halfhalo> no, I mean hp employees
Mar 15 20:50:32 <SineOt> I hesitate to call you a dev PatrickC :p
Mar 15 20:50:33 <PatrickC> lol ok
Mar 15 20:50:48 <PatrickC> I'm getting better :)
Mar 15 20:51:39 <HattCzech_work> sugardave: is it too late to apply and compete with you? ;)
Mar 15 20:51:52 <sugardave> haha, I don't think so
Mar 15 20:51:57 <sugardave> hang on a second
Mar 15 20:52:51 <sugardave> http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=1472614&trk=jobs_share_tw
Mar 15 20:53:00 <sugardave> that's the swat job
Mar 15 20:53:24 <sugardave> but I don't have a link for the devrel one
Mar 15 20:55:01 <HattCzech_work> hmmm, sounds interesting
Mar 15 20:55:45 <sugardave> hell yeah
Mar 15 20:55:48 <sugardave> it's awesome
Mar 15 20:55:51 <SineOt> Adora: I am going to pester you about meetup all day, so be prepared.
Mar 15 20:56:26 <HattCzech_work> maybe we can both get the job(s) and then i'll finally meet another webos dev ;)
Mar 15 20:56:27 <HattCzech_work> haha
Mar 15 20:56:44 <SineOt> God only knows they need it. I was raging hard last night. :/
Mar 15 20:56:57 <SineOt> It's been a month with no contact back about the Pre2 program, despite 3 emails.
Mar 15 20:57:09 <HattCzech_work> as long as i can continue my not-so-successful personal app development
Mar 15 20:57:28 <HattCzech_work> SineOt: i'm about to send my 3rd as well
Mar 15 20:57:31 <sugardave> HattCzech_work: that's the downside...no app dev :s
Mar 15 20:57:55 <HattCzech_work> ... hmmm... ... ...
Mar 15 20:58:21 <HattCzech_work> as long as they pay me the $100 different, that might work out ;)
Mar 15 20:58:24 <HattCzech_work> hahaah
Mar 15 20:58:29 <sugardave> haha
Mar 15 20:59:49 <SineOt> http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=1420361 Man, for some reason, this just stinks of setting the bar way too high.
Mar 15 21:00:11 <SineOt> 5 years professional experience to write for the Featured Apps page? The hell.
Mar 15 21:00:29 <halfhalo> hmm... gmail is not being happy right now
Mar 15 21:01:52 <PatrickC> MY PRE2 JUST ARRIVED!!!!!!!
Mar 15 21:02:08 <PatrickC> no email from Adela, or call from UPS lol
Mar 15 21:02:38 <HattCzech_work> i guess i was being modest, it was more like $150
Mar 15 21:02:48 <HattCzech_work> PatrickC: i hate you
Mar 15 21:02:50 <HattCzech_work> :)
Mar 15 21:02:57 <PatrickC> how come? lol
Mar 15 21:02:58 <PatrickC> hehe
Mar 15 21:03:10 <PatrickC> yayayayayayayayayayay!!!!!
Mar 15 21:03:18 <HattCzech_work> now i just need to figure out why admob is screwing me...
Mar 15 21:03:32 <HattCzech_work> so PatrickC, you did the form and everything?
Mar 15 21:03:44 <PatrickC> I didn't have to do the forum
Mar 15 21:04:07 <SineOt> Oh my god
Mar 15 21:04:10 <PatrickC> anyone here have a dev pre2?
Mar 15 21:04:12 <SineOt> Where the fuck is that bridge
Mar 15 21:04:17 <HattCzech_work> so what info did you give them?
Mar 15 21:04:28 <PatrickC> I already did the form for the Pre+ program
Mar 15 21:04:37 <PatrickC> just address and phone number
Mar 15 21:04:43 <dkirker> PatrickC: I do
Mar 15 21:05:05 <PatrickC> how do I get to the dialer to put it in dev mode?
Mar 15 21:05:46 <dkirker> enter the konami code :D
Mar 15 21:06:02 <PatrickC> I'm at the check sim screen
Mar 15 21:06:14 <halfhalo> you need a sim i it to do the palm bypass way
Mar 15 21:06:18 <dkirker> oh, you'll probably need a SIM card then
Mar 15 21:06:37 <HattCzech_work> PatrickC: when did you send your first e-mail?
Mar 15 21:06:48 <PatrickC> the 15th of Feb
Mar 15 21:06:57 <HattCzech_work> BOOO! same here
Mar 15 21:07:02 <sugardave> PatrickC: or make a meta-dr to allow activation bypass first
Mar 15 21:07:03 <HattCzech_work> i never got a response
Mar 15 21:07:31 <HattCzech_work> feb 15th first time, 23rd the second, and today is my third e-mail
Mar 15 21:08:02 <PatrickC> after 2 failed email attempts, I emailed my dev rep that helped me get the pre+
Mar 15 21:08:15 <SineOt> HattCzech_work: You about ready to flip the fuck out on HP by this point?
Mar 15 21:08:17 <PatrickC> good idea sugardave :)
Mar 15 21:08:21 <SineOt> Because HOOOBOY I sure am
Mar 15 21:08:37 <cavneb> I gave up on that a while ago (pre program)
Mar 15 21:08:37 <PatrickC> sineot: did you get a pre+ dev device?
Mar 15 21:08:38 <HattCzech_work> SineOt: pretty close
Mar 15 21:08:44 <SineOt> Yes. Yes I did.
Mar 15 21:08:49 <HattCzech_work> (as did i)
Mar 15 21:09:15 <PatrickC> then email your dev rep from that program
Mar 15 21:09:24 <cavneb> how do you get a dev rep?
Mar 15 21:09:37 <HattCzech_work> she might not like me, i never finished the app i was supposed to do :/
Mar 15 21:09:53 <HattCzech_work> i think it's more feasible in 2.0, though
Mar 15 21:09:57 <PatrickC> who's your dev rep hattczech
Mar 15 21:10:27 <leiru> dev rep?
Mar 15 21:10:29 <cavneb> i've sold 62 apps so far in less than 1 month and submitted 2 emails for the pre2 and no response :(
Mar 15 21:10:30 <leiru> what is that?
Mar 15 21:11:19 <leiru> a repository?
Mar 15 21:11:20 <sugardave> we used to have dedicated account reps in the early days of the program, I think some still do?
Mar 15 21:11:23 <MetaView> SineOt: you write the stuff on featured apps?
Mar 15 21:11:28 <MetaView> may I bride you?
Mar 15 21:11:33 <PatrickC> developer representative
Mar 15 21:11:39 <SineOt> MetaView: No, that job posting was for the person who does that
Mar 15 21:11:49 <SineOt> and they want 5 years experience and a bunch of BS
Mar 15 21:11:55 <haeffb> sugardave: the person who I emailed with re: free Pre 2 said she'd be my contact at Palm going forward
Mar 15 21:11:56 <MetaView> I want to know how writes it
Mar 15 21:12:02 <SineOt> and consider it a mid-senior position
Mar 15 21:12:04 <SineOt> (it's not)
Mar 15 21:12:32 <MetaView> waiting on rapidshare sucks
Mar 15 21:12:41 <haeffb> pay the $
Mar 15 21:12:42 <MetaView> at least there they are right
Mar 15 21:12:46 <MetaView> pff
Mar 15 21:12:52 <MetaView> I'm not paying them
Mar 15 21:12:56 <MetaView> is it 1§?
Mar 15 21:13:00 <MetaView> $ even
Mar 15 21:13:03 <haeffb> so paying sucks more
Mar 15 21:13:23 <haeffb> I have no idea. I'm not paying them either
Mar 15 21:13:42 * haeffb waiting for HP to give me my free cloud space
Mar 15 21:13:44 <MetaView> I'll try with a test account first
Mar 15 21:14:56 <MetaView> ok, I used another email address...
Mar 15 21:15:14 <sugardave> oh no
Mar 15 21:15:27 <sugardave> people hate ' in js strings?
Mar 15 21:15:31 <sugardave> that's all I use :s
Mar 15 21:16:02 <HattCzech_work> adela
Mar 15 21:16:59 <dohtem> MetaView: I use SkipScreen - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/skipscreen-incredible-rapidsha/
Mar 15 21:17:11 <MetaView> 'don't cry for me a..."
Mar 15 21:17:25 <HattCzech_work> i like " instead of '
Mar 15 21:17:46 <MetaView> dohtem: thx :)
Mar 15 21:17:55 <Tibfib> howdy all
Mar 15 21:17:56 <HattCzech_work> although when i'm using names of objects, i use '
Mar 15 21:18:00 <HattCzech_work> hey Tibfib
Mar 15 21:18:03 <dohtem> hello Tibfib
Mar 15 21:18:16 * Tibfib swaps ' and " ALL the time
Mar 15 21:18:24 <Tibfib> I use whatever I feel like at the time
Mar 15 21:18:32 <Tibfib> dohtem, HattCzech_work: howdy!
Mar 15 21:18:42 <PatrickC> hatt: mines adela too
Mar 15 21:18:48 <leiru> i prefer ' but when it get mixed, second one will be "
Mar 15 21:19:12 <sugardave> I have been using ' everywhere but SQL strings
Mar 15 21:19:16 <dohtem> PatrickC: is this for the dev pre 2?
Mar 15 21:19:39 <PatrickC> yes
Mar 15 21:19:42 <leiru> haeffb: where i get the cloud space?
Mar 15 21:19:43 <HattCzech_work> bad sugardave, bad!
Mar 15 21:19:48 <HattCzech_work> hahah
Mar 15 21:19:54 <MetaView> ' is evil
Mar 15 21:19:56 <dohtem> I sent em 2 emails, no response yet :(
Mar 15 21:20:01 <dohtem> PatrickC ^
Mar 15 21:20:01 <MetaView> " too
Mar 15 21:20:04 <leiru> PatrickC: mine too.
Mar 15 21:20:20 <MetaView> use `´
Mar 15 21:20:23 <SineOt> PatrickC: You have no idea how pissed I am right now
Mar 15 21:20:33 <PatrickC> sorry lol
Mar 15 21:20:39 <Lichtlos> SineOt: why?
Mar 15 21:20:46 <leiru> MetaView: wtf? really?
Mar 15 21:20:51 <haeffb> leiru: you can wait for HP just like me.
Mar 15 21:20:52 <sugardave> lol
Mar 15 21:20:53 <MetaView> :) no
Mar 15 21:21:20 <kamui> damn, my pre2 has been getting real hot today, and the battery just drained like crazy
Mar 15 21:21:25 <MetaView> ´`´`  <-- rabbit ears
Mar 15 21:21:28 <kamui> wth
Mar 15 21:21:34 <MetaView> check the log files
Mar 15 21:21:50 <MetaView> I had a crazy exchange account lately
Mar 15 21:21:51 <leiru> http://easterhegg2011.hamburg.ccc.de/ <-- rabbit event
Mar 15 21:22:08 <kamui> current is -478.28 steady
Mar 15 21:22:17 <MetaView> bin'sch net da
Mar 15 21:22:23 <leiru> :(
Mar 15 21:22:31 <leiru> aber ich :)
Mar 15 21:22:34 <MetaView> kamui: I couldn't even load my Pre2 anymore
Mar 15 21:22:52 <MetaView> I removed the account and readd it, everything is fine sicne then
Mar 15 21:22:59 <MetaView> but you will see it in the log files
Mar 15 21:23:14 <kamui> I think thats the same problem I have too, I noticed one of my exchange accounts isn't refreshing
Mar 15 21:23:34 <kamui> gonna try that, I dont' have access to a PC with the sdk on it to get tot he console
Mar 15 21:23:42 <kamui> is there a way on the device to look at the logs?
Mar 15 21:23:48 <MetaView> open a shell window and write tail -f /var/log/messages
Mar 15 21:23:54 <kamui> pre2 no shell :(
Mar 15 21:24:02 <sugardave> kamui: install Lumberjack from preware
Mar 15 21:24:03 <kamui> unless one of the terms finally got updated to support it
Mar 15 21:24:04 <MetaView> preware?
Mar 15 21:24:21 <kamui> terminus and terminal both dont work metaview on my pre2
Mar 15 21:24:23 <MetaView> Terminus, see http://www.metaviewsoft.de/wordpress
Mar 15 21:24:23 <leiru> read metaviews article about terminus on the pre2!
Mar 15 21:24:24 <kamui> at least as of a  few weeks ago
Mar 15 21:24:30 <kamui> sugardave,  Ill try lumberjack, I've seen it
Mar 15 21:24:35 <kamui> its a log viewer?
Mar 15 21:24:39 <sugardave> yep
Mar 15 21:24:39 <MetaView> or add the testing feeds and use xterm
Mar 15 21:24:45 <kamui> I have tesint
Mar 15 21:24:48 <kamui> xterm doesn't work
Mar 15 21:24:56 <kamui> isn't the X server broken in 2.0.1
Mar 15 21:24:58 <MetaView> but lumberjack doesn't shouw the log without filtering, orß
Mar 15 21:25:04 <MetaView> xterm works now
Mar 15 21:25:08 <PatrickC> wow
Mar 15 21:25:14 <joeb_> anyone wanna sell a palm pre plus unlocked ?
Mar 15 21:25:17 <PatrickC> they sent me a rogers pre2 :p
Mar 15 21:25:19 <MetaView> same problem like in Terminus, the jailer is different in 2.x
Mar 15 21:25:37 <joeb_> or just a palm pre plus
Mar 15 21:25:40 <kamui> MetaView, seriously?!?! that rocks!
Mar 15 21:25:43 <kamui> I've been waiting for X to come back
Mar 15 21:27:16 <MetaView> yes, I run xterm today, rwhitby fixed it
Mar 15 21:27:19 <joeb_> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mob/2262465270.html < -- he messed up .. he has a pre2 picture and a pre plus picture
Mar 15 21:27:52 <kamui> superW( ) ( )T!!!
Mar 15 21:27:56 <kamui> xterm ftw!
Mar 15 21:28:10 <kamui> and it was one of my corp exchange accounts
Mar 15 21:28:40 <MetaView> when using Terminus, you should also install bash and first run bash in your Temrinus shell
Mar 15 21:28:46 <MetaView> it makes everything better
Mar 15 21:29:48 <kamui> lol, I see all the X items have updates in preware, I haven't even been checking preware lately because it seemed like all 2.x activity was stalled last week
Mar 15 21:29:59 <kamui> Im ridiculously excited about palm again
Mar 15 21:30:00 <NuttyBunny> xterm rulez ;)
Mar 15 21:31:16 <MetaView> Germans? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piRMF_BiE2w
Mar 15 21:32:18 <Lichtlos> MetaView: w/o video, otto is lame
Mar 15 21:32:39 <MetaView> no, this one is just great
Mar 15 21:32:52 <MetaView> "die Presse und der umweltschutz..."
Mar 15 21:33:22 <MetaView> it fits to the ARTE TV program
Mar 15 21:34:06 <leiru> otto, lol
Mar 15 21:34:29 <leiru> omg karneval
Mar 15 21:34:30 <joeb_> i found a palm pre plus on newegg
Mar 15 21:34:46 <kamui> metaview: now that the X server is working again, can I cross compile any X app binary and run it on the pre as long as I set up the X server variable
Mar 15 21:34:54 <joeb_> palm pre plus= $284 next day is $23.51 = #308.5 is that a rip off ?
Mar 15 21:35:32 <MetaView> kamui: I guess you need the widk to cross compile
Mar 15 21:35:37 <MetaView> but yes
Mar 15 21:35:47 <kamui> really need a WM
Mar 15 21:35:51 <MetaView> it might work, but I'm not a unix/linux guy
Mar 15 21:36:05 <MetaView> a WM? the girl's one is this year :D
Mar 15 21:36:12 <MetaView> soccer btw
Mar 15 21:36:24 <kamui> I was thinking window manager
Mar 15 21:36:27 <kamui> not sure what you're referring to
Mar 15 21:36:28 <kamui> :-D
Mar 15 21:36:38 <MetaView> world cup, but in German
Mar 15 21:36:39 <kamui> shell works perfectly though, im very excited
Mar 15 21:37:31 <MetaView> has it already tab-completion?
Mar 15 21:37:43 <MetaView> and recall of previous commands?
Mar 15 21:38:23 <kamui> well, no way to know without an external keyboard atm
Mar 15 21:38:30 <kamui> pre2 doesn't have tab or arrows
Mar 15 21:38:33 <kamui> as you know
Mar 15 21:38:34 <kamui> :)
Mar 15 21:38:41 <kamui> nless Im missing out on some cool shortcuts
Mar 15 21:39:09 <kamui> I've only had this thing for a few weeks, and with the lack of pre2 support in the dev community when I got it, I wasn't really able to get to into it
Mar 15 21:39:14 <kamui> ...UNTIL NOW...
Mar 15 21:39:43 <MetaView> kamui: I ask you about these shortcuts...
Mar 15 21:40:08 <MetaView> if you don't know them, maybe they aren't implemented yet
Mar 15 21:55:39 <PatrickC> anyone built a pre2 meta-doc?
Mar 15 21:58:46 <donc> Is there a way to display HTML in a template?  My template contains #{description} which is HTML from the server, unfortunately this renders the raw markup when displayed in a Palm.Mojo.Html component.
Mar 15 21:59:05 <SineOt> do #{-description} I think
Mar 15 21:59:11 <SineOt> which will just render the code
Mar 15 22:00:11 <sugardave> yes
Mar 15 22:00:24 <donc> SineOt: that is exactly what I needed.  Works great.
Mar 15 22:00:32 <PatrickC> sugardave: was that yes to me?
Mar 15 22:00:36 <sugardave> no
Mar 15 22:00:58 <PatrickC> ok
Mar 15 22:02:17 <NuttyBunny> Angry Birds & Seasons just got updated! :D
Mar 15 22:02:35 <dohtem> http://www.precentral.net/webos-2-app-development-sad-case -- the comments on this are crazy.
Mar 15 22:03:21 <HattCzech_work> is the gsm pre2 unlocked?
Mar 15 22:03:43 <HattCzech_work> those of you who have gotten a pre2...?
Mar 15 22:03:52 <sugardave> I think so
Mar 15 22:03:55 <dkirker> yes
Mar 15 22:04:13 <HattCzech_work> okay, so it's probably better to go with that than the CDMA version, right?
Mar 15 22:04:14 <PatrickC> yes
Mar 15 22:04:26 <HattCzech_work> (even though i could swap out the comm board and use it on sprint)
Mar 15 22:05:45 <donc> HattCzech_work: my pre2 gsm is unlocked
Mar 15 22:11:14 <HattCzech_work> cool, thanks
Mar 15 22:30:28 <PatrickC> bbl
Mar 15 22:35:34 <dawm_> worst part about ordering from amazon.. its not all shipped from amazon.. $12 order, but $22 shipping since its 3 different parties.. ghey
Mar 15 22:37:19 <Hendikins> I eat that cost, because it ends up still being cheaper than buying locally in Australia (or I can't get the item here at all).
Mar 15 22:37:56 <HattCzech_work> dawm_: you gotta watch taht
Mar 15 22:37:58 <HattCzech_work> that*
Mar 15 22:38:08 <HattCzech_work> i always try to get it from amazon (if possible)
Mar 15 22:38:48 <Hendikins> I do generally try for that or Fulfilled by Amazon.
Mar 15 22:39:39 <dawm_> yeah only reason im looking amazon is i still have a $20 credit to use up ;p
Mar 15 22:47:14 * HattCzech_work just talked to someone at HP/palm and got REALLY excited
Mar 15 22:47:39 <HattCzech_work> SineOt: do what PatrickC said and send an e-mail to the person that got you the pre+
Mar 15 22:48:01 <HattCzech_work> MUCH more effective at getting a device for you
Mar 15 22:52:01 <dawm_> wait
Mar 15 22:52:05 <dawm_> so ham'em'high is new?
Mar 15 22:52:10 <dawm_> i swear i already have that
Mar 15 22:53:02 <Loudergood> one new level, came out last night
Mar 15 22:53:03 <SineOt> HattCzech_work: Yeah, I did
Mar 15 22:53:12 <dawm_> so 15 new levels not 45
Mar 15 22:53:22 <SineOt> HattCzech_work: But no reply yet
Mar 15 22:53:26 <Loudergood> also new angry birds seasons just updated for me
Mar 15 22:53:26 <dawm_> This newest update is a Cowboy themed updated called “Ham ‘Em High” in which you can expect 45 new levels
Mar 15 22:53:32 <Loudergood> yeah 15
Mar 15 22:53:32 <dawm_> WOR is fail :P
Mar 15 22:53:46 <Loudergood> I think it was 30 already
Mar 15 22:53:50 <dawm_> yeah
Mar 15 22:54:00 <dawm_> they haev an article stating it just came out with 45 new levels
Mar 15 22:54:11 <dawm_> http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/03/angry-birds-goes-cowboy/
Mar 15 22:54:45 <HattCzech_work> SineOt: i hope they get back to you soon
Mar 15 22:55:37 <SineOt> HattCzech_work: I hope so too, but it's hard to keep your hopes up :/
Mar 15 22:56:00 <HattCzech_work> what was your dev rep's name?
Mar 15 22:56:05 <SineOt> Adela
Mar 15 22:57:17 <HattCzech_work> did you push any apps out?
Mar 15 22:57:49 <SineOt> Not in the last few weeks, been waiting to get a 2.x proper device to test all my Node.JS stuff on... :I
Mar 15 22:58:26 <HattCzech_work> yeah, that does make it tricky
Mar 15 22:59:01 <SineOt> Yeah... Me and my 'business partner' I guess you'd call him have also been tossing around a multiplayer game that handles it over local bluetooth
Mar 15 22:59:10 <SineOt> Another thing that y'know, can't really do on the emulator
Mar 15 22:59:46 <SineOt> Y'see any of the stuff I was going on about last night, HattCzech_work?
Mar 15 22:59:47 <HattCzech_work> yeah, the emulator can only go so far
Mar 15 22:59:52 <HattCzech_work> and it's not far enough ;)
Mar 15 23:00:26 <SineOt> About how even though a Pre+ can be made to run 2.1 right now, it's probably going to be less and less useful when 2.2 comes out, or 2.3, or 2.4... Etc etc
Mar 15 23:01:03 <SineOt> Even if 2.4 could get hacked onto a Pre+ based on what got released with 2.1, it just makes it all the less useful as a development device because it branches further and further from what the average user is going to have
Mar 15 23:06:28 <Loudergood> honestly I'd find an open gpu driver more exciting
Mar 15 23:20:24 <dawm_> heh
Mar 15 23:20:31 <dawm_> i last updated Angry Birds Feb 4th
Mar 15 23:20:38 <dawm_> and i had the levels then
Mar 15 23:22:30 <Loudergood> yeah, I don't think I'm  terribly obsessive player and I've beaten them all
Mar 15 23:22:47 <Loudergood> but then I'm not a "must get 3 stars" kind of guy either
Mar 15 23:22:53 <dohtem> FAIL!
Mar 15 23:22:55 <dohtem> :)
Mar 15 23:22:58 <HattCzech_work> Loudergood: i am :)
Mar 15 23:23:11 <dawm_> I have 3 stars on like the first 2 worlds
Mar 15 23:23:19 <HattCzech_work> i'm on 13-8 with 3 stars
Mar 15 23:23:20 <dohtem> you get pretty hooked when you start trying to get all 2 stars.
Mar 15 23:23:33 <dohtem> 3*
Mar 15 23:23:46 <HattCzech_work> (through 13-8 with 3 stars)
Mar 15 23:23:59 <HattCzech_work> not too many more to go
Mar 15 23:24:22 <Loudergood> every time I run out of levels just to beat, more show up
Mar 15 23:24:37 <Loudergood> rovio are quite nice like that
Mar 15 23:29:31 <PatrickC> the meta doctor is running :)
Mar 15 23:29:39 <PatrickC> im really starting to like the meta doctor
Mar 15 23:29:40 <dkirker> go catch it!!
Mar 15 23:29:45 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 15 23:30:01 <PatrickC> now i have 3 webos devices :)
Mar 15 23:30:12 <PatrickC> its done!!
Mar 15 23:30:13 <PatrickC> yay
Mar 15 23:31:01 <PatrickC> hows Universe coming?
Mar 15 23:31:26 <SineOtter> Hey dkirker
Mar 15 23:31:43 <dkirker> hi SineOtter!
Mar 15 23:32:04 <PatrickC> sineotter: the doctor finished, and its booting :)
Mar 15 23:32:15 <SineOtter> Yup, I saw
Mar 15 23:32:35 * Hendikins likes metadoctor as well, means he can keep the same WebOS version on both his phones.
Mar 15 23:42:14 <dawm_> heh some guy just sent me a real low ball offer on somethign i have on craigslist
Mar 15 23:43:00 <dawm_> doing some research via the internets, i have his facebook profile, what car he drives, the color and the model, i know that he has 'hacked' his wii and pirated games, and that he likes music videos
Mar 15 23:43:19 <dawm_> google is bad
Mar 15 23:46:02 <Loudergood> yeah it is
Mar 15 23:46:13 <Loudergood> some times I'm really glad I have a common name
Mar 15 23:47:10 <dawm_> i use a junk email for CL heh
Mar 15 23:50:23 <dawm_> whats funny is.. the parts are listed on forums hes a member of.. but apparently doesnt participate in any more, but if he was smart he'd figure it out
Mar 15 23:51:11 <Loudergood> lol
Mar 15 23:55:35 <Draecos> question for ya'll
Mar 15 23:55:58 <Draecos> do newly activated phones take a short while to go thru the palm systems after activation?
Mar 16 01:09:30 <madnificent> it's awfully silent here
Mar 16 01:09:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 16 01:10:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh, I got my Pre :)
Mar 16 01:10:36 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: I see, you have a 2!!
Mar 16 01:10:44 <madnificent> sooo much to do :)
Mar 16 01:10:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/pre/pre2
Mar 16 01:11:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep :)
Mar 16 01:11:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm lovin it :p
Mar 16 01:11:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> you got one?
Mar 16 01:13:31 <madnificent> no, I still have to send a request
Mar 16 01:13:45 <madnificent> I want to be able to supply applications first, but it's all taking so much time
Mar 16 01:13:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> send man, send
Mar 16 01:13:50 <madnificent> perhaps I should just send the mail
Mar 16 01:13:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh ok
Mar 16 01:14:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> maybe you should :)
Mar 16 01:14:48 <madnificent> should -> send, or wait?
Mar 16 01:16:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> send
Mar 16 01:17:14 <madnificent> ok, I'll make a task for it.  Attach what I'm building and say what I expect to build?
Mar 16 01:17:18 <madnificent> or doesn't it really matter?
Mar 16 01:17:27 <madnificent> and add the address of where I live to it... I guess
Mar 16 01:19:01 <PatrickC> just send an email requesting a dev devicxe
Mar 16 01:19:22 <PatrickC> then they'll have you fill out a excell sheet
Mar 16 01:19:44 <madnificent> PatrickC: but they will need to verify that I'm a dev, no?
Mar 16 01:28:22 <JenP> hi all
Mar 16 01:30:33 <madnificent> hello JenP
Mar 16 01:30:45 <JenP> hiya
Mar 16 01:31:19 <rwhitby> hey JenP, guess where I am?
Mar 16 01:31:29 <JenP> ? CA?
Mar 16 01:31:43 <rwhitby> will be there Sat.  In Allentown today.
Mar 16 01:32:00 <JenP> Oh that's great! Where's Allentown?
Mar 16 01:33:37 <JenP> what will you be doing in CA?
Mar 16 01:33:48 <haeffb> madnificent: SEND THE DANG EMAIL
Mar 16 01:33:55 <haeffb> hi JenP
Mar 16 01:34:07 <JenP> haeffb!!!! HI
Mar 16 01:34:28 <haeffb> madnificent: ALSO, SEND ME YOUR IPK!
Mar 16 01:34:52 <haeffb> what's new in the world of all Jen's P-wise?
Mar 16 01:34:54 <JenP> lol
Mar 16 01:35:03 <JenP> Yeah! SEND IT TO HIM NOW!
Mar 16 01:35:26 <haeffb> right. I'll confirm to Palm that you're legit... :)
Mar 16 01:35:28 <JenP> nothing new. Finally have time to come back and play.
Mar 16 01:35:34 <rwhitby> JenP: having drinks and dinner with anyone who wants to show up on Sat night.  Are you going to be there? ;)
Mar 16 01:35:36 <dkirker> hi JenP !
Mar 16 01:35:49 <rwhitby> JenP: e.g. dkirker will be there I believe.
Mar 16 01:35:59 <dkirker> yes!! I will be there!
Mar 16 01:36:09 <JenP> rwhitby where? I've kinda been out of the loop...you will have to fill me in
Mar 16 01:36:15 <madnificent> haeffb: I'll send you an update :)
Mar 16 01:36:23 <haeffb> woohoo!
Mar 16 01:36:28 <rwhitby> JenP: SJC/SFO, Sat 19th. All day. fly out at midnight.
Mar 16 01:37:06 <JenP> What for?
Mar 16 01:37:10 <madnificent> haeffb: does it matter that it's a dev build?  I'm in the middle of adding features :)
Mar 16 01:37:30 <madnificent> haeffb: either I send you the current version, or I finish these few things and send you an update in 30 minutes (reordering of tasks)
Mar 16 01:37:51 * haeffb can wait 30 minutes
Mar 16 01:38:19 <haeffb> I'm just curious. Hoping that you're writing the holy grail of task apps... :)
Mar 16 01:38:54 <Tibfib> I was considering re-writing a quick version of mojo messenger over spring break. forget that
Mar 16 01:38:59 <Tibfib> enyo all the way
Mar 16 01:40:04 * Tibfib bbl
Mar 16 01:41:15 <madnificent> haeffb: it's not going te be the holy grail, but at least it'll be better than what I have now
Mar 16 01:43:56 <haeffb> do you have any method of backup/restore data?
Mar 16 01:46:18 <madnificent> no, sorry, you can backup the database manually... I don't know how I'd go about backing it all up, but there's a fair chance that I'll add such a feature in the future
Mar 16 01:46:21 <madnificent> given my own paranoia
Mar 16 01:46:43 <madnificent> that's the thing: if you have a good feature that may effect my personal planning life, then I'll likely add it
Mar 16 01:46:57 <madnificent> simply because I get lost without a tasks app
Mar 16 01:47:55 <PatrickC> lol
Mar 16 01:49:19 <PatrickC> madnificent: did you email?
Mar 16 01:51:53 <madnificent> PatrickC: I'm going to do it right after I mail haeffb
Mar 16 01:51:56 <madnificent> PatrickC: do you work there?
Mar 16 01:52:30 <haeffb> madnificent: email Palm first.
Mar 16 01:52:37 <haeffb> that's much more important
Mar 16 01:54:39 <madnificent> it's been sent out to you
Mar 16 01:54:49 <madnificent> I don't know what I should tell the palm people, I'm scared of sending the email :(
Mar 16 01:55:16 <JenP> scared of what?
Mar 16 01:55:19 <madnificent> Dear Palm, I'm a European webos dev that hasn't released anything yet but that does claim that he's building things.  Please give me a free pre2 ...
Mar 16 01:55:27 <madnificent> scared of them saying: FUUUUUU
Mar 16 01:55:34 <JenP> LOL
Mar 16 01:55:47 <JenP> the worst thing they can say is no.
Mar 16 01:56:14 <JenP> and if you think about it you're already at no...so you've got nothing to lose. Go for it!
Mar 16 01:56:40 <madnificent> JenP: but I raise my chances if I have an app in the app store...
Mar 16 01:56:50 <madnificent> if they say no now, then they probably won't give me another chance
Mar 16 01:56:57 <rwhitby> JenP: I'm in the US on business this week.  Organised a free day on Saturday before I leave for home.
Mar 16 01:57:29 <JenP> madnificent: do it..if you get turned down...do it again...persistence works
Mar 16 01:57:34 <madnificent> could someone send me an example of a mail (puppy eyes)
Mar 16 01:57:45 <rwhitby> madnificent: include a beta ipkg of your half-finished app
Mar 16 01:58:09 <JenP> Rod: you'll be pretty far from me, but email me place and time
Mar 16 01:59:18 <madnificent> rwhitby: will do
Mar 16 01:59:45 <madnificent> haeffb: did you get it?  The last one may have gone lost (either that, or your email address has one f in it)
Mar 16 02:00:16 <madnificent> haeffb: (if your email address has one f in it, and an email address with two ffs is of someone else, then someone has received a strange strange mail).
Mar 16 02:01:17 <rwhitby> JenP: see /msg
Mar 16 02:01:33 <JenP> got it
Mar 16 02:02:14 <JenP> Awesome!
Mar 16 02:05:19 <funkatron> "if they say no now, then they probably won't give me another chance" absolutely not true
Mar 16 02:11:55 <sugardave> madnificent: you should email them before they run out!
Mar 16 02:11:58 <sugardave> now now now
Mar 16 02:12:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> email like there's no tomorrow
Mar 16 02:14:19 <dawm_> soo i got a reply back from palm, but i question it.. it says a pre gsm device, not a pre2
Mar 16 02:14:50 <sugardave> haha, they are trying to trick you into taking old phones
Mar 16 02:14:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> weird
Mar 16 02:14:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 16 02:15:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> who replied?
Mar 16 02:15:41 <dawm_> Ade;a
Mar 16 02:15:44 <dawm_> er Adela
Mar 16 02:15:52 * oil has talked to her before
Mar 16 02:15:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> she is the one that shipped mine
Mar 16 02:16:01 <dawm_> same person that replied for the first developer device program
Mar 16 02:16:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> I gave her my address on saturday, and got the device today :)
Mar 16 02:18:07 <oil> omg Adela is so popular
Mar 16 02:18:11 <oil> xD
Mar 16 02:18:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 16 02:18:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin oil?
Mar 16 02:18:44 <oil> not bad
Mar 16 02:18:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's good
Mar 16 02:19:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm_ do you like your new car? :)
Mar 16 02:19:19 <dawm_> oh yeah
Mar 16 02:19:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> how many horses?
Mar 16 02:19:40 <dawm_> gas guzzler
Mar 16 02:19:49 <SineOtter> heh
Mar 16 02:19:49 <dawm_> 300
Mar 16 02:19:50 <SineOtter> what is it?
Mar 16 02:19:57 <dawm_> 06 Subaru WRX STI
Mar 16 02:20:14 <SineOtter> I managed to get 24.6 mpg out of my truck, so I'm happy :p
Mar 16 02:20:22 <madnificent> I'm ready to send it... it's quite long
Mar 16 02:20:31 <dawm_> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dawm/06STI/5ea3b96b0a0a000201b8b5cd581b1713.jpg
Mar 16 02:20:37 <dawm_> i think this is rated at liek 14city
Mar 16 02:20:42 <oil> nice
Mar 16 02:20:55 <SineOtter> I need to bug Mugen again about getting those MLP stickers done... Hm
Mar 16 02:21:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> can I have it?
Mar 16 02:21:52 <dawm_> Fuel economy: 16 city/22 hwy mpg
Mar 16 02:22:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> not bad for a beast car
Mar 16 02:22:39 <SineOtter> Man, that's worse than my S10 wtf
Mar 16 02:22:39 <dawm_> crappy stereo tho
Mar 16 02:22:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> those stock rims?
Mar 16 02:22:43 <dawm_> yes
Mar 16 02:22:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> nice
Mar 16 02:22:53 <dawm_> its all stock except for the front carbon fiber lip
Mar 16 02:23:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> get a better stereo? :p
Mar 16 02:23:15 <dawm_> meh
Mar 16 02:23:27 <dawm_> it plays cds and am/fm. thats good enough for now
Mar 16 02:23:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Mar 16 02:24:16 <dawm_> i only need the radio when going long distance. the sound of the car is music enough for short trips
Mar 16 02:24:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> 3.5MM input?
Mar 16 02:24:20 <dawm_> nope
Mar 16 02:24:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Mar 16 02:24:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> what kind of pipes?
Mar 16 02:25:04 <dawm_> its stock exhaust with the muffler and resonator removed (half ass'd mind you)
Mar 16 02:25:13 <dawm_> so crappy straight pipe
Mar 16 02:25:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> better then having that musical instrument muffled
Mar 16 02:25:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Mar 16 02:25:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> get some flowmasters ;)
Mar 16 02:26:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> they will make some awesome tunz lol
Mar 16 02:26:12 <dawm_> lol no
Mar 16 02:26:40 <dawm_> im keeping an eye out for an apex'i n1, got one for my friends wrx a few years back for a few hundred (used)
Mar 16 02:26:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> sweet
Mar 16 02:27:05 <madnificent> sent it :)
Mar 16 02:27:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> nice
Mar 16 02:27:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> now the waiting game begins
Mar 16 02:28:04 <madnificent> haeffb: did I crash your pre?  You're silent.
Mar 16 02:28:13 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: I'm good at that!
Mar 16 02:31:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Mar 16 02:43:02 <rwhitby> Can everyone add the first five characters of their device serial numbers to the webOS Doctor Versions page to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions in the appropriate place if not already there?
Mar 16 02:45:01 <dawm_> where?
Mar 16 02:45:34 <dawm_> dont see where it would go
Mar 16 02:46:03 <shiawuentan> where to add?
Mar 16 02:46:34 <rwhitby> you don't see serial numbers on the page?
Mar 16 02:46:39 <dawm_> no
Mar 16 02:47:00 <shiawuentan> P102UEU?
Mar 16 02:48:16 <shiawuentan> not really seeing any serial numbers
Mar 16 02:49:02 <destinal-pre> rwhitby: just noticed the same
Mar 16 02:49:16 <rwhitby> shift-refreshing the page?
Mar 16 02:49:25 <destinal-pre> model codes but not ser #
Mar 16 02:49:37 * Hendikins takes a gander
Mar 16 02:49:39 <dawm_> now its there
Mar 16 02:49:53 <shiawuentan> if it's model code, my model code already listed
Mar 16 02:49:56 <destinal-pre> rwhitby: there's this cache issue that happens on the servers
Mar 16 02:50:01 <rwhitby> we aggressively cache pages for obvious reasons :)
Mar 16 02:50:15 <destinal-pre> rwhitby: for nonloggedin users
Mar 16 02:50:32 <rwhitby> right, they should log in :)
Mar 16 02:50:42 <shiawuentan> e..g P102UNA: PG9U0XXXXXXX (Pre 2 on the Unlocked - North America network) << this?
Mar 16 02:50:43 <dawm_> mines already listed
Mar 16 02:51:10 <Hendikins> Mine are already listed.
Mar 16 02:51:26 <rwhitby> shiawuentan: yes
Mar 16 02:51:47 <shiawuentan> yup mine are listed as well
Mar 16 02:54:39 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Any devs itching for a Homebrew project and wanna make some cash?
Mar 16 02:55:01 <SineOtter> Depends!
Mar 16 02:55:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm itching for a HB project even without cash :p
Mar 16 02:56:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> what is the project igntnunlmtd
Mar 16 02:56:42 <shiawuentan> what is Homebrew project? newbie here, sorry…
Mar 16 02:57:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/278519-homebrew-app-request-app-launcher-manager-reward.html
Mar 16 02:58:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> PatrickC_Pre2: I can donate the prize to WebOS Internals or Japan or something else if you'd rather do it for charity :)
Mar 16 02:59:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol, I don't think I'm good enough to do something like that
Mar 16 02:59:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> though, all you need it an app to edit the appinfo.json
Mar 16 02:59:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> isHidden: true/false
Mar 16 02:59:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> or something like that
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