**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 16 02:59:57 2011 Mar 16 03:00:22 IGNTNUNLMTD: Robin Stirling? Mar 16 03:01:18 destinal-pre: wut? Mar 16 03:01:18 IGNTNUNLMTD: it should be pretty easy to do this, I wonder if the properties scene in launcher is still html Mar 16 03:01:30 probably Mar 16 03:01:43 IGNTNUNLMTD: heh, may be a coincidence in company name Mar 16 03:02:05 all I know is that sconix couldn't simply upgrade advanced config for launcher Mar 16 03:02:09 what company name? Mar 16 03:02:35 IGNTNUNLMTD: linkedin for owner of Ignite Unlimited Mar 16 03:02:56 hah, no Mar 16 03:03:08 I've owned the domain IgnitionUnlimited.com for some time now Mar 16 03:03:12 like 4 years Mar 16 03:03:20 personal blog Mar 16 03:03:23 I'm a car guy Mar 16 03:03:24 ah ignition Mar 16 03:03:28 cool Mar 16 03:04:31 IGNTNUNLMTD: two ways to do this, either through another patch to different part or a homebrew app for managing apps Mar 16 03:05:08 yeah Mar 16 03:05:13 homebrew app was the idea Mar 16 03:05:14 you just need to edit the appinfo.json, right? Mar 16 03:05:27 * rwhitby has posted to the thread Mar 16 03:06:26 rwhitby: doesn't the current patch pose the same issues? Mar 16 03:06:43 destinal-pre: yep Mar 16 03:06:56 and users of that patch should be advised too Mar 16 03:07:28 rwhitby: I was thinking that if it was so easy with Internalz, it could be implemented easily in a homebrew app Mar 16 03:07:35 any big differences I'm missing? Mar 16 03:07:58 IGNTNUNLMTD: easy to write the app Mar 16 03:08:09 Internalz uses a node.js service running as root Mar 16 03:08:14 ah Mar 16 03:08:21 "easily" is a relative term Mar 16 03:08:25 naturally Mar 16 03:09:13 rwhitby: btw how in the world did internalz get into appcat? Mar 16 03:09:56 usb only Mar 16 03:09:59 no root Mar 16 03:10:10 neutered version Mar 16 03:10:24 I'm glad non-HB people get a taste of that Mar 16 03:10:35 will help get more people excited about the capabilities of webOS Mar 16 03:10:43 "Oh, I can manage files like I can on my PC." Mar 16 03:12:12 I find it quite depressing. I show people my WebOS handsets, and they think the software is cool for whatever reason(s) - yet it isn't sold in this market. Mar 16 03:12:45 Hendikins: which sw? Mar 16 03:12:58 destinal-pre: WebOS and the bits and pieces I use on it. Mar 16 03:13:08 and which hardware? Mar 16 03:13:16 Pre Plus, Pre 2. Mar 16 03:13:32 both 2.1? Mar 16 03:13:34 oh, webos handsets aren't sold. where are you? Mar 16 03:13:38 Both 2.1. Mar 16 03:13:40 Australia. Mar 16 03:13:54 IGNTNUNLMTD: the file management is not something that convinces me to use webos though Mar 16 03:13:55 I've never used an file structure in which I needed find / ... as often as on webos :) Mar 16 03:13:55 * madnificent <3 internalz though Mar 16 03:14:09 Which reminds me, if I ever get back to that part of the country, I'm buying rwhitby a couple of beers. Mar 16 03:14:41 Hendikins: BIG country Mar 16 03:14:53 what's the drinking age there? Mar 16 03:15:12 destinal-pre: I fly around all the time, I just haven't left the east coast since August. Mar 16 03:15:17 IGNTNUNLMTD: 18. Mar 16 03:16:05 and suddenly I wonder what my life would have been like if I was born an aussie.. :) Mar 16 03:16:47 * Hendikins also notes to take GPS readings at Albury, Gundagai and Yass. Mar 16 03:17:09 to be further offtopic, .au has great homebrewers (the beer kind) too Mar 16 03:17:15 Heh cool, I finally make this country's in a little over three months Mar 16 03:17:25 long time coming Mar 16 03:17:26 :P Mar 16 03:17:38 * Hendikins doesn't drink - does safety critical shift work. Mar 16 03:18:29 * halfhalo is sharpening knives Mar 16 03:18:42 * PatrickC_Pre2 hides in a corner Mar 16 03:18:44 Hendikins: ah. well you know what Hunter S Thompson said. "good people drink good beer" Mar 16 03:19:11 destinal-pre: Not when they're crewing trains though! Mar 16 03:19:11 ie, not Fosters :) Mar 16 03:19:24 Hendikins: heh Mar 16 03:19:26 * sugardave manages to get OAuth request token. Mar 16 03:19:39 sugardave: finally! Mar 16 03:19:53 * halfhalo needs a new sharpener Mar 16 03:20:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 is going to bed before halfhalo finishes sharpening Mar 16 03:20:07 night all Mar 16 03:20:11 sugardave: Enyo? Mar 16 03:20:17 face Mar 16 03:20:20 destinal-pre: no shit...I had to drop back to the old Mojo code I had. It's all hacky at the moment Mar 16 03:20:21 :) Mar 16 03:20:22 hehe Mar 16 03:20:26 Oddly enough, I find my Pre+ indispensable at work, although admittedly I could shoehorn any particular device in to that role if required. Mar 16 03:20:28 dohtem: maybe Mar 16 03:20:40 shit, en-dee-ays Mar 16 03:20:57 Hendikins: pre is really an unsung hero Mar 16 03:21:04 night Mar 16 03:21:25 * PatrickC_Pre2 finally gets to use his touchstone again.. ahhhh Mar 16 03:21:45 rwhitby: How did the Adv. Config for Launcher do it? Mar 16 03:21:51 destinal-pre: It more or less works, is polished, and is pocketable with a hardware keyboard. Ticks the boxes for me. Mar 16 03:21:52 though I'm at a brewpub drinking awesome beer, so I could be overly phillosophical Mar 16 03:22:06 * halfhalo cant drink yet Mar 16 03:22:17 IGNTNUNLMTD: look at the source code for it Mar 16 03:22:24 haeffb: learn homebrewing :) Mar 16 03:22:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 can't drink yet, and won't drink when he can Mar 16 03:22:42 ie, look at the source code Mar 16 03:22:45 haha Mar 16 03:22:53 * SineOtter drinks. A lot. It's good stuff. :9 Mar 16 03:22:58 although I turn 21 right before ces Mar 16 03:23:19 halfhalo isn't of drinking age yet? Mar 16 03:23:26 No Mar 16 03:23:30 aw Mar 16 03:23:38 Not unless I take a 4 hour drive Mar 16 03:23:53 * Hendikins spends his money on cameras instead of alcohol. Mar 16 03:24:05 seriously if I had it all to do again I wish I had learned homebrewing as a teenager Mar 16 03:24:14 * halfhalo has never been carded, but whenever he is at an open bar he has to drive Mar 16 03:25:21 evening Mar 16 03:25:30 hello Mar 16 03:25:36 hello Mar 16 03:25:37 YOU THERE Mar 16 03:25:44 I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU Mar 16 03:25:55 hows life as the node.js guy at palm, creationix_ ? Mar 16 03:25:59 great Mar 16 03:26:04 having fun ? Mar 16 03:26:15 I forgot what it was though Mar 16 03:26:24 bpadalino: yep Mar 16 03:26:32 nice Mar 16 03:26:41 are you able to keep up with node.js rapid development ? Mar 16 03:26:45 or have you had to stay behind ? Mar 16 03:26:59 oh, I remember? creationix_, my new app I'm starting may interest you. Called Node Manager. Mar 16 03:27:41 Third party modules + node REPL + node version management Mar 16 03:27:44 bpadalino: I have 4.2 running on all my devices, but it takes time to get through all the QA channels Mar 16 03:27:50 oh neat Mar 16 03:28:00 halfhalo: nice Mar 16 03:28:05 so what are the chances of viable persistent storage between node and mojo/enyo? Mar 16 03:28:08 it sounds good that there are QA channels .. Mar 16 03:28:22 sometimes it didn't seem like there was much QA going on :( Mar 16 03:28:24 oil: no idea Mar 16 03:28:49 that sucks :/ Mar 16 03:29:05 bpadalino: it's always a tough balance between releasing bleeding edge software and stable software Mar 16 03:29:07 creationix_: I'm going to hijack the exiting module loader and make per app and per module permissions, and directly integrate third party modules in a way where you can define versions as well Mar 16 03:29:12 true Mar 16 03:29:14 * oil wants to be able to update/manage database in the background with node and display data from the database in-app Mar 16 03:29:20 night Mar 16 03:30:04 creationix_: yeah, we need node db8 access for Preware Mar 16 03:30:42 with 20mb limit, its no good Mar 16 03:30:47 rwhitby: I haven't looked at it yet but I think I can make a bridge fairly easily Mar 16 03:30:58 it doesnt allow for "ext" or on-/media/internal storage Mar 16 03:30:59 oh it's the ides of March! ware! Mar 16 03:31:00 halfhalo: on-devie Mar 16 03:31:06 yeah Mar 16 03:31:23 I haven't messed with db8 much yet, too much other fun stuff to work on Mar 16 03:31:32 creationix_: we need node.js db8 access for a database on /media/internals so it can be *big* Mar 16 03:31:37 or node access to html5database sqlite Mar 16 03:31:50 rwhitby: I was thinking of putting my nstore on the device as a service Mar 16 03:31:50 oh, sqlite is not an issue for preware Mar 16 03:32:14 thats pretty easy to get working in node Mar 16 03:32:17 actually, can't we technically run queries on sqlite database using command line from node? Mar 16 03:32:30 oil: indeed, but it's tricky Mar 16 03:32:34 yeah Mar 16 03:32:34 oil: there are sqlite libraries everywhere for node Mar 16 03:32:58 * creationix_ digs through his old github repos looking for sqlite for node Mar 16 03:33:28 https://github.com/creationix/node-persistence/blob/master/lib/persistence/sqlite.js Mar 16 03:33:43 pure js, it opens sqlite3 in a subshell and parses the output Mar 16 03:34:05 probably could use an update Mar 16 03:34:18 fancy Mar 16 03:34:30 I like to work with pure js because it's easier to deploy Mar 16 03:34:34 also it's a fun challengfe Mar 16 03:34:36 creationix_: has webos turned out to be the thing you thought it would be - working on it ? Mar 16 03:34:38 *challenge Mar 16 03:35:22 bpadalino: yeah, but I had inside knowledge before joining since I was friends with some palm people Mar 16 03:35:28 ah gotcha Mar 16 03:35:53 it was a very conscience decision because I want webos to succeed and what better way than to join Mar 16 03:36:28 speaking of node and certain unspecified devices that run in, who wants to test some code I wrote last night? Mar 16 03:36:55 sure Mar 16 03:37:36 https://github.com/creationix/sftp-server Mar 16 03:38:00 tested with node v0.2.3 and v0.4.2 on both webOS and Ubuntu Mar 16 03:38:46 just run it on a device/emulator and novacom port forward 6000 to your localhost Mar 16 03:39:06 sshfs is needed on the client computer Mar 16 03:39:10 kk, gimme a few, gotta find pre Mar 16 03:39:35 you have a pre with node? cool Mar 16 03:39:44 I have node for webOS 1.4.5 somewhere that might work Mar 16 03:39:51 2.1 Mar 16 03:39:55 backported it for node camp Mar 16 03:40:15 my pre+/-/2's are all running 2.1 Mar 16 03:40:37 http://creationix.com/nodeFor145.tar.gz Mar 16 03:41:23 keep in mind this is all my personal experiments, not official palm stuff Mar 16 03:41:49 dkirker: you there? Mar 16 03:42:49 creationix_: lots of Pre- devices run 2.1.0 these days ;) Mar 16 03:43:02 rwhitby: you had something to do with that didn't you Mar 16 03:43:16 * rwhitby whistles ... Mar 16 03:43:25 ok, i lied, bbiaf. Have been offered ice cream in exchange for a lift Mar 16 03:43:31 the homebrew community is what makes webOS awesome Mar 16 03:43:32 creationix_: just doing my part for node.js deployment Mar 16 03:44:27 :) Mar 16 03:45:09 rwhitby: where are you instructions? I want to try them and see how it works on my pre Mar 16 03:45:31 creationix_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Mar 16 03:45:53 wow, that's some serious docs, I'll bet that was fun Mar 16 03:45:58 creationix_: don't forget step 6 ;) Mar 16 03:46:30 hmm, my browser must not be step 6 capable Mar 16 03:46:39 I need a new internet Mar 16 03:46:41 creationix_: it's really only three commands, but for some reason needs all that explanation around it for lots of people Mar 16 03:47:14 does compcache really help? Mar 16 03:47:18 git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Mar 16 03:47:24 cd meta-doctor Mar 16 03:47:35 ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Mar 16 03:47:35 if I can do it without reading the wiki, everyone should be able to do it Mar 16 03:47:38 that's it Mar 16 03:47:56 nice Mar 16 03:47:59 compcache is awesome Mar 16 03:47:59 creationix_: on a pre-, it does Mar 16 03:48:10 I guess so with only 256mb Mar 16 03:48:11 and on a Pixi even more so Mar 16 03:48:20 since we get a whole 192mb :c Mar 16 03:48:25 I have ATT Pre and Pixi Mar 16 03:48:35 SineOtter: no-one needs more than 64MB Mar 16 03:49:00 rwhitby: Ah, I get why Adv Config for Launcher was zero-risk now Mar 16 03:49:13 * halfhalo looks at his 5GB of ram and giggles Mar 16 03:49:30 * rwhitby raises to 8GB ram Mar 16 03:49:46 * halfhalo raises to 16, but in a desktop Mar 16 03:49:52 * SineOtter has 8GB right now too Mar 16 03:49:53 wish macbookpro's would take 32 Mar 16 03:49:57 likewise Mar 16 03:50:26 Various things manage to suck it all 8 up quickly :( Mar 16 03:50:32 creationix_: AT&T won't get a 2.1.0 profile, so we fake it as 1.4.5 for the palm profile but 2.1.0 for apps and preware Mar 16 03:50:40 how much is in the server? Mar 16 03:50:55 creationix_: you can ask someone at your place of employment to enable at&t 2.1.0 on the public profile server if you like ;) Mar 16 03:51:14 how much was it worth again? $15k USD? Mar 16 03:51:23 halfhalo: I've got a desktop with 16 in it (8x 2GB)... although I could up that to 32. Mar 16 03:51:28 IGNTNUNLMTD: list price Mar 16 03:51:35 rwhitby: nah, I like them liking me. The cloud guys are pretty cool Mar 16 03:52:15 to the cloud! Mar 16 03:52:22 of doom? Mar 16 03:52:35 dun dun DUNNNNN Mar 16 03:52:36 so my sftp-server seems to work pretty well in limited testing Mar 16 03:52:55 creationix_: mind if I package that for Preware ? Mar 16 03:52:55 shipit Mar 16 03:53:13 probably not as robust as the openssh sftp-server from preware, but a lot easier to install Mar 16 03:53:37 plus it's mountable over a novacom tunnel Mar 16 03:53:50 * halfhalo goes back to working on the basics of Node Manager, which will include a commonjs module installer Mar 16 03:53:58 creationix_: how is that code licensed? Mar 16 03:54:17 halfhalo: btw, newer node runs newer npm just fine on device Mar 16 03:54:45 rwhitby: if I don't say, assume MIT, I can mark it if you need Mar 16 03:54:49 yeah, I did that once, but its not as clean as it could be in regards to using it Mar 16 03:54:50 creationix_: I'd like to be able to steal from it for future services I write Mar 16 03:57:34 creationix_: you are gonna like Node Manager. I'm planning for it to be able to launch node scripts directly off the internal memory through a gui as well Mar 16 03:58:48 rwhitby: sounds good, but keep in mind it's very new, I just wrote it last night Mar 16 03:59:25 creationix_: sure, by steal I mean read and modify, not cut and paste. Mar 16 03:59:37 right ;) Mar 16 03:59:50 * rwhitby bbt Mar 16 03:59:55 actually I'm looking for testers to iron out bugs Mar 16 04:00:00 filesystems need to be rock solid Mar 16 04:01:00 the parser needs some optimizing, it maxes at writing about 500kb/sec Mar 16 04:01:12 since it's parsing the input a character at a time in a state machine Mar 16 04:01:34 I could probably use memcopy or buffer slices when reading large chunks of raw data Mar 16 04:01:55 reading, which doesn't go through the same parser gets several megs a second Mar 16 04:10:52 g'night everyone Mar 16 04:11:21 nitez Mar 16 04:34:13 Can I access nested objects in view templates? I'm setting a session into the template. The session has speakers. I was hoping #{speakers[0].name} would render the speaker name but it doesn't. Mar 16 04:35:41 Or is there some way to call a partial to render the speakers? I'm looking for good code examples or a link to RTFM so I can learn the best practices. Mar 16 04:36:25 donc: you can do dot-notation in view templates Mar 16 04:40:21 sugardave: I guess this doesn't work since speakers is an array? speakers[0].name and speakers.first().name both don't work :/ Mar 16 04:40:48 sugardave: is there a nested template syntax like sencha touch's ? Mar 16 04:43:40 donc: not sure about sencha...but in mojo, say you have a list and the template describes the row, so if you pass the formatter an array of objects, each row is rendered per index, so you don't specify a particular index in the template, it's just #{object.property} Mar 16 04:45:47 donc: I wrote this about it: http://www.sugardave.com/blogs/sugardave/07-14-2010/getting-more-formatters Mar 16 04:46:16 donc: but you can get most of what you ened from the doc page on Mojo.View.render() and Mojo.Model.format() Mar 16 04:46:28 sugardave: I have that working. I'm trying to go a second level. It's a conference app. There is a list of sessions. I drill into a session to show the details. The session details have one or more speakers. I guess I just need to make another list for the speakers. Still trying to figure out when to layout screens in ares vs HTML in templates. Mar 16 04:46:40 ah Mar 16 04:46:41 right Mar 16 04:46:47 sugardave: thanks for the links. I'll read that post and the render and format() docs Mar 16 04:46:50 you want another list of speakers then Mar 16 04:47:14 most of the time its one speaker but I suppose a list of one is OK Mar 16 04:48:05 sure Mar 16 04:59:00 sugardave: adding the 2nd list worked great. thanks. Mar 16 05:00:04 I'm doing a multi stage app and having problem with the arguments that passed to the stage not available to the stage assistant. Here is a sample extracted from my code https://gist.github.com/4bf7600e6fcc5da70919 Mar 16 05:00:43 not sure what I missed, just couldnt get the arguments to be available when the stage initialized Mar 16 07:16:51 morning Mar 16 07:20:00 morning swisstomcat Mar 16 07:20:06 march 30? Mar 16 07:20:09 seen tweet? Mar 16 07:20:10 morning Mar 16 07:22:08 hotdp: yeah! Mar 16 08:42:49 is there any way to run pdk code on emulator? Mar 16 08:50:14 i don't think so Mar 16 08:50:28 (but i could be wrong :) Mar 16 09:09:14 hmm, not sure, but it might be possible to get libs from emulator and compile using cygwin :) Mar 16 11:01:55 Hi - I wonder can someone help me - I'm new to all this and just need a coupe of questions answered. Mar 16 11:03:25 About WebOS dev. Mar 16 11:24:32 Hi jalfrezi, I'm new as well. i think if you have question, you can just ask here Mar 16 11:27:06 Hi. Question is this - took delivery of a new Pre 2 yesterday - trying to connect with the SDK, having already put the phone into developer mode. Can't connect. Mar 16 11:27:39 jalfrezi: which SDK version? Mar 16 11:27:45 Mac OS X Snow Leopard - things is the SDK is 1.4.5 - do I need 2.0? Mar 16 11:27:53 exactly Mar 16 11:27:54 Pre 2 comes with 2.0.x Mar 16 11:27:57 OK Mar 16 11:28:09 you need to be in the Early Access Program Mar 16 11:28:10 jalfrezi: oh, and XCode4 breaks everything... Mar 16 11:28:19 I've emailed pdc@palm.com 3 times to get access - no response Mar 16 11:28:44 Is there someone at HP/Palm I can email directly - or should I just wait for a response? Mar 16 11:28:49 ask swisstomcat :X Mar 16 11:29:19 I'll ensure I uninstall Xcode4 as well.... Mar 16 11:29:26 thanks Mar 16 11:30:49 you can still develop your app with 1.4.5 with the emulator, just that some of the functionality is not available Mar 16 11:35:11 ok thanks member:shiawuentan, member:identifier:lichtlos Mar 16 11:35:57 rather excited about getting something on the device though - as I'm sure you can imagine - though trying to run before I can walk I'm sure... Mar 16 11:38:07 since you can't run yet…why not try to walk ;) Mar 16 11:45:19 someone asked for me? Mar 16 11:46:29 jalfrezi: download a webOS doctor for the Pre2 … the updated drivers are in there Mar 16 11:48:32 swisstomcat: so we don't need to have SDK 2.x to be able to detect device with 2.x? Mar 16 11:49:41 no Mar 16 11:49:52 it's the novacom drivers that are talking with the device Mar 16 11:50:04 and those can be found in a Pre2 doctor Mar 16 11:50:15 the ones in the 1.4.5 sdk are outdated and don't see the pre2 Mar 16 11:50:56 my bad :) Mar 16 11:51:02 np Mar 16 11:51:22 well, if you install the 2.x SDK you also get the newer novacom drivers Mar 16 11:51:37 but that's still in Early Access … until later this week as i heard Mar 16 11:53:07 I don't really know what is the differences between 1.x and 2.x Mar 16 11:53:26 it's still under NDA :) Mar 16 11:53:59 Pre3 = SDK? Mar 16 11:54:03 SDk3 Mar 16 11:54:13 might be Mar 16 11:54:49 have to wait then…hmmm Mar 16 11:55:29 still here, jalfrezi? Mar 16 11:56:03 is there a bug on Ares that automatically append } to control's name? or it's just me? Mar 16 14:08:58 Hi - yes I'm here swisstomcat Mar 16 14:09:12 have you made any progress? Mar 16 14:09:15 with your pre2? Mar 16 14:09:26 moening Mar 16 14:09:41 I haven't - still hoping I may get a response about early access Mar 16 14:09:56 it also works with a pre2 doctor Mar 16 14:10:09 ok Mar 16 14:10:14 I'll have a go. Mar 16 14:10:15 Chuq (the person that answers for those emails) is on vacation Mar 16 14:10:18 what os are you on? Mar 16 14:10:22 for Early Access Mar 16 14:10:41 Mac OS X 10.6.6 Mar 16 14:10:46 Ahh, OK. Mar 16 14:11:08 the mac drivers are inside the pre2 doctor Mar 16 14:11:14 you can download that and install them Mar 16 14:11:17 I'll give it a whirl Mar 16 14:11:27 let me know if you run into troubles Mar 16 14:12:08 Thanks. Just locating it now. Mar 16 14:12:55 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Mar 16 14:13:07 Thanks Mar 16 14:14:42 Mine's an unlocked Pal Pre 2 on 02 in the UK - which of course isn't listed. Should I just select the nearest match? Mar 16 14:14:43 morning all Mar 16 14:15:04 Sorry - unlocked Pre 2 - just seen it Mar 16 14:15:38 after you download it, open the .jar file with the archive viewer Mar 16 14:15:59 how long does a response take? Mar 16 14:16:08 for the pre2 dev program thingy Mar 16 14:17:55 a few days probably Mar 16 14:18:03 might be longer now that chuq is off for one week Mar 16 14:18:09 or a few weeks Mar 16 14:24:02 that's longer than I expected Mar 16 14:24:18 it took me almost 30 days Mar 16 14:24:22 in fact Mar 16 14:24:37 30 days from my first email the device arrived Mar 16 14:24:58 they had 100s of requests as far as i heard Mar 16 14:26:03 did you get any response before that? Mar 16 14:26:13 me? Mar 16 14:29:39 madnificent: I believe you sent the wrong .ipk Mar 16 14:30:26 I got code-cabinet instead of a tasks app... Mar 16 14:32:21 swisstomcat: OK, got it opened. Mar 16 14:32:43 hold on Mar 16 14:33:37 haeffb-pre2: sorry sorry sorry, you're getting a new one RIGHT NOW! I forwarded that one to someone else as well Mar 16 14:33:43 give me 5 minutes Mar 16 14:33:44 you should now see resources/NovacomInstaller.pkg.tar.gz Mar 16 14:34:06 extract and install that Mar 16 14:34:07 haeffb-pre2: I think your mailing address is cursed Mar 16 14:34:30 haeffb at gmail ? Mar 16 14:34:47 is it possible to control a dashboard in the lock screen? Mar 16 14:35:02 * PatrickC_Pre2 spams haeffb-pre2 Mar 16 14:35:17 this black on pink default in wirc is ugly Mar 16 14:35:35 black on pink? Mar 16 14:35:38 haeffb-pre2: it's the second time I do something wrong when I try to send you an attachment Mar 16 14:35:54 PatrickC_Pre2: its gmail. spam doesn't come thru Mar 16 14:36:01 jalfrezi: you should now see resources/NovacomInstaller.pkg.tar.gz Mar 16 14:36:02 lol Mar 16 14:36:10 haeffb-pre2: do you have it now? Mar 16 14:36:11 gmail FTW Mar 16 14:36:59 swisstomcat: Yup. I've now installed the .pkg Mar 16 14:37:29 have it, installed it, checking it out Mar 16 14:37:33 jalfrezi: great .. now you can test with novacom Mar 16 14:37:40 novacom -t open tty:// Mar 16 14:37:49 madnificent: share the love? :) Mar 16 14:37:56 soon as I change the pink bg color for mentions in wirc Mar 16 14:38:22 you can change that? awesome! lol Mar 16 14:38:49 bisque is soo much better Mar 16 14:38:55 PatrickC_Pre2: share an email address? Mar 16 14:39:09 PatrickC_Pre2: keep in mind that it's not finished yet! Mar 16 14:39:20 patrickappcreator at gmail Mar 16 14:39:23 though I don't think I'll be spending that much time on it either Mar 16 14:39:23 I will Mar 16 14:39:44 PatrickC_Pre2: ah, you've got one in the past :) You'll be happy with the changes since then Mar 16 14:39:56 swisstomcat: 'unable to find device' Mar 16 14:40:01 awesome :) Mar 16 14:40:12 jalfrezi: reboot (the mac) Mar 16 14:40:13 haeffb-pre2: don't use blue :p Mar 16 14:41:16 madnificent: you should just set up a beta team :D Mar 16 14:41:21 makes it much easier Mar 16 14:43:00 PatrickC_Pre2: how? ^_^ Mar 16 14:43:25 gather all the email addreses for the beta testers Mar 16 14:43:34 get a group (like google groups) Mar 16 14:43:41 mass send the file :) Mar 16 14:43:48 ahh Mar 16 14:43:53 PatrickC_Pre2: but then other beta testers can see the other beta testers's email addresses, isn't that a problem for them? Mar 16 14:43:55 bold is much better :) Mar 16 14:44:04 bold? Mar 16 14:44:13 for mentions Mar 16 14:44:15 madnificent: very interesting. some thing I like very much. some things I would change. I'll try to tale a longer look tonight and give some suggestions if you'd like Mar 16 14:44:37 you just an BCC everybody Mar 16 14:44:38 swisstomcat: Bingo! Mar 16 14:44:48 s/an/can/ Mar 16 14:44:55 madnificent: you can submit to the beta feed and keep it private Mar 16 14:44:55 haeffb-pre2: suggestions would be very very welcome. I may not implement them at once, but if I realize that you were right all along, I'll add them in the future Mar 16 14:45:02 jalfrezi: yay! Mar 16 14:45:18 swisstomcat: thanks very much Mar 16 14:45:24 I'll set up a beta feed once I've found a better name Mar 16 14:45:32 just share the feed link with whomever you wish Mar 16 14:46:17 apps for google groups needn't be open source, right? Mar 16 14:46:29 and OMG this Pre2 is great! Mar 16 14:46:36 google groups is a grouping system :p Mar 16 14:46:42 I know haeffb! Mar 16 14:46:47 when did you get yours? Mar 16 14:46:51 madnificent: use Palms app catalog beta feed Mar 16 14:46:57 http://groups.google.com Mar 16 14:47:10 or the beta feed (private feed for you :)) Mar 16 14:47:11 Nov Mar 16 14:47:18 wow Mar 16 14:47:23 haeffb-pre2: I can't submit to the app catalog before wednesday or so Mar 16 14:47:24 I got mine yesterday :) Mar 16 14:47:31 already doctored it Mar 16 14:47:34 how come? Mar 16 14:47:37 haeffb-pre2: what's so much better about the pre2 Mar 16 14:47:46 faster Mar 16 14:47:48 PatrickC_Pre2: I have to wait for my Visa card to arrive Mar 16 14:47:49 FAST!!! Mar 16 14:47:49 better Mar 16 14:47:51 :) Mar 16 14:47:52 gorilla glass screen Mar 16 14:47:57 smooth Mar 16 14:47:58 matte finish Mar 16 14:48:09 ah ok madnificent Mar 16 14:48:21 just amazing in everything :) Mar 16 14:48:31 haeffb: do you have yours activated? Mar 16 14:48:39 its just a completely better experience. I curse Palm for not producing this a year ago Mar 16 14:48:50 yea Mar 16 14:48:53 they probably were Mar 16 14:49:00 I frankenSprinted it Mar 16 14:49:01 but it was delayed at 6 months because of the hp transistion Mar 16 14:49:03 my guess Mar 16 14:49:04 I can't wait for the Pre3 :) Mar 16 14:49:11 sec professor is saying important stuff :) Mar 16 14:49:18 haha Mar 16 14:49:18 lol Mar 16 14:49:44 yep - I was told by an anonymous Palm employee that the had the device in Jan 10 Mar 16 14:50:06 what?! Mar 16 14:50:23 lies I tell you lies :p Mar 16 14:50:52 has your screen scratched yet haeffb? Mar 16 14:50:59 (and j/k) lol Mar 16 14:51:07 mine has not Mar 16 14:51:12 (unprotected) Mar 16 14:51:27 just don't let bananas get near it Mar 16 14:51:39 lol Mar 16 14:51:56 * PatrickC_Pre2 fights off the bananas with a monkey Mar 16 14:52:33 monkey eats banana Mar 16 14:52:55 erm, gorilla eats banana .. *CRACK* glass breaks Mar 16 14:53:14 * halfhalo is excited for the veer Mar 16 14:53:27 * PatrickC_Pre2 is excited for them all Mar 16 14:53:36 morning halfhalo Mar 16 14:53:39 touchpad, touchpad Mar 16 14:53:56 Once you play with a veer you go "hoooooly crap it works" Mar 16 14:53:57 no scratches Mar 16 14:54:07 pre3 dev program started today!!! Mar 16 14:54:11 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks Mar 16 14:54:16 lies Mar 16 14:54:21 hehe Mar 16 14:55:31 Pre3 has awesomes build quality Mar 16 14:56:08 was not able to handle one :( Mar 16 14:56:11 were you able to use it haeffb? Mar 16 14:56:23 did they even let people handle it? Mar 16 14:56:36 not in barcelona Mar 16 14:57:25 stacks are more awesome than I thought they'd be... Mar 16 14:57:32 Yup Mar 16 14:58:00 PatrickC_Pre2: it's what the pre should've been Mar 16 14:58:07 PatrickC_Pre2: the slider is solid? Mar 16 14:58:42 slider is amazing Mar 16 14:58:49 much better then my pre+ Mar 16 14:59:20 did they let people handle the touchpad at the Feb event? Mar 16 15:00:10 madnificent: did you check out google groups? Mar 16 15:00:24 * madnificent really hopes palm finds him worthy Mar 16 15:00:36 PatrickC_Pre2: no, I haven't decided on a name for my app yet :) Mar 16 15:00:42 PatrickC_Pre2: but I'll create a group for it Mar 16 15:01:19 just create one for you :) Mar 16 15:01:25 not app specific :p Mar 16 15:01:37 that way you can use it for general beta testing Mar 16 15:02:11 I'll be back later Mar 16 15:02:19 cya Mar 16 15:03:34 wb nuttybunny Mar 16 15:04:30 madnificent: what does your app do? Mar 16 15:05:13 hey :) wirc works now on the Pre Plus... (after doctoring) :S Mar 16 15:05:21 lol Mar 16 15:05:47 I can't find where *Exhibition* code is stored.... Mar 16 15:05:52 for the app Mar 16 15:05:58 to edit files :p Mar 16 15:06:23 all I can find is Exhibition Preferences... Mar 16 15:07:47 no, no Mar 16 15:08:16 no no what? Mar 16 15:08:25 PatrickC_Pre2: You have to create an exhibition stage.. hold on, lemme find you a link Mar 16 15:08:48 but where is all the code for exhibition stored on-device? Mar 16 15:11:22 madnificent: nice app icon ;) Mar 16 15:14:50 so from the HP product page of the pre3 "Carry work information more safely thanks to data encryption and password protection." Mar 16 15:15:16 really.. that's interesting :) Mar 16 15:15:21 I hadn't heard anyone talking about data encryption in any of the reviews I saw Mar 16 15:16:06 I know Mar 16 15:16:09 but that's nice Mar 16 15:17:11 can someone give me a man hug :( someone reviewed my app with 0 stars and plastered an add to their ugly ass homepage for hercalendar :( Mar 16 15:17:34 with this 0 staring it does not make sense to develop apps all you get is hate Mar 16 15:17:43 * PatrickC_Pre2 gives thomaschaaf a man hug Mar 16 15:17:56 thomaschaaf: hugs , I feel for you man Mar 16 15:17:57 * NuttyBunny does too Mar 16 15:18:01 don't stop making apps Mar 16 15:18:24 I hate it when I get bad reviews (don't we all?) but those 0 stars are killer Mar 16 15:18:33 I think the people don't even know not clicking a star is 0 stars.. Mar 16 15:19:09 thomasschaaf: *manhug* Mar 16 15:19:17 PatrickC_Pre2: mmm... look: Take a look at: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.agendaview/ (appinfo.json and app-assistant.js) Mar 16 15:19:30 thanks nuttybunny Mar 16 15:19:31 I will Mar 16 15:20:29 I didn't know apps we also stored in usr... lol Mar 16 15:20:41 I thought only media and var Mar 16 15:20:45 thomasschaaf: i just gave you a 5 star :) Mar 16 15:21:12 I would, but idk what app it is :) Mar 16 15:21:14 haha :D thank you! didn't want that.. I do get good reviews for other apps so they must not be too shitty http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-03-16_1617.png Mar 16 15:21:20 HerCalendar Mar 16 15:21:57 PatrickC: we don't, that's the Palm agenda app, we devs go in /media/cryptofs/ Mar 16 15:22:06 did you manage to fix the app description? Mar 16 15:22:11 yep Mar 16 15:22:23 I knew that, but I thought the palm apps went in usr Mar 16 15:22:49 they got that done in a day.. I think they first let them check it in the us and then the next day in europe.. because the changes always appear around 14:00 Mar 16 15:25:08 anyone know how I can get a list of all time zones supported on the app ? Mar 16 15:25:25 should I roll my own list or can I query the device ? Mar 16 15:25:31 well, wirc doesn't like me right now... Mar 16 15:25:36 Isn't it ironic that indias president just approved a nuclear power plant in an earth quake region (today) Mar 16 15:25:42 nm Mar 16 15:25:45 fixed it :) Mar 16 15:26:04 thomaschaaf: Go to the Palm dev forums, see if they can remove the review. We also should encourage Palm to do a sanity check for reviews with NO star tapping (which is not the same as purposedly leaving 0 stars) :@ Mar 16 15:26:47 I have many reviews which compliment the apps but they leave 0 stars Mar 16 15:26:59 thomaschaaf: re: india , the nuke power plant was a huge about turn, into the arms of uncle sam Mar 16 15:27:11 yeah, i think the apple app store asks if you really want to leave a 0-star review Mar 16 15:27:55 nuttybunny: Agenda View is free orientation... Mar 16 15:28:18 I don't think the guys can handle stars.. they should just up and down vote like on many sites.. this is done by facebook, digg, reddit, many cooking sites.. Mar 16 15:29:05 I like that idea :) Mar 16 15:29:25 and nuttybunny: agenda view says orientation free, but is set to up Mar 16 15:29:29 I'll keep looking Mar 16 15:30:14 oh well I should not hang around here but study for my finals :/ damn... but was bummed out because I saw the review.. Mar 16 15:31:46 thomaschaaf: just mention it to HP dev relations and they can get a spamreview removed Mar 16 15:33:13 this should all be possible from the my apps section of the website.. maybe in april I'll draw one up and post it here so we can get some of the features done by hp.. Mar 16 15:33:40 * PatrickC_Pre2 is enjoying Pandora again :) Mar 16 15:33:44 bbl Mar 16 15:39:56 my damn pre2 keeps powering off on me randomly Mar 16 15:40:08 what should I be looking for in the ogs Mar 16 15:40:10 logs even Mar 16 15:40:21 I gotta figure this out, I've missed some pretty important calls over it Mar 16 15:40:41 strange Mar 16 15:40:45 power off or reboot? Mar 16 15:40:49 poweroff Mar 16 15:41:48 PatrickC_Away, i got a pre2 on the way :) Mar 16 15:42:17 dawm_: sweet Mar 16 15:46:15 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 camps outside dawm_'s house to snatch it Mar 16 15:46:37 kamui_, check your battery terminals Mar 16 15:46:54 if one is bent, or the battery is sliding around in there, it could be coming off the contact Mar 16 15:48:21 thats possible silent ninja Mar 16 15:48:29 it happened this time when I closed my keyboard case Mar 16 15:49:05 sounds like a loose battery to me then - use folded bits of paper to hold it in tighter Mar 16 15:49:17 stock battery / backplate? Mar 16 15:49:22 yea Mar 16 15:50:09 probably the clip is bent in a bit then, could use a tiny screw driver to pull it back out, or just wedge the battery in tigher, your call Mar 16 15:50:52 well Mar 16 15:50:53 the thing is Mar 16 15:50:59 the clips in the pre2 aren't stiff Mar 16 15:51:03 they're spring loaded Mar 16 15:51:12 so I don't know that this is gonna be a loose battery issue Mar 16 15:51:17 yup Mar 16 15:51:20 I went ahead and used a thin piece of paper to add friction Mar 16 15:51:28 so lets see how that works out Mar 16 15:51:35 hopefully it wont catch fire in my pocket :) Mar 16 15:51:56 could also be a bad solder joint on the plate they connect to behind the spring loaded part, thatd be the next thing to look at Mar 16 15:52:09 if it does, get it on video Mar 16 15:52:23 leave it in there a bit, and run around in circles, then jump into a lake Mar 16 15:52:35 post the video on youtube and become famous instantly Mar 16 15:53:33 anyway to get all the timezones supported by the device ? what Im looking for is to allow the user to search/select a timezone from my app Mar 16 15:55:24 not that i know o Mar 16 15:55:25 of Mar 16 15:57:23 where i needed a list to select tz, i just did a list w/ 24 slots and put GMT +/- xx Mar 16 15:57:31 on the system the timezones are in /usr/share/zoneinfo Mar 16 15:57:52 I just don't know hwo to access those system files Mar 16 15:58:04 they might be inacessible Mar 16 15:59:37 at least on the sdk side anyway Mar 16 15:59:43 pdk can probably getro access Mar 16 16:00:02 I guess I'll roll my own list of timezone city/country Mar 16 16:00:27 really all I want is to allow the user search & select a timezone Mar 16 16:00:39 if your going that in depth, id use multiple lists Mar 16 16:01:08 select region, case struct populates country, which populates city / specific tz Mar 16 16:01:22 will take awhile tho :/ Mar 16 16:02:53 I plan to allow the user to type & search Mar 16 16:03:56 might be a bit easier to use sqlite then :) Mar 16 16:04:16 will do Mar 16 16:05:07 oh there's a limitation right, I can't package a pre-populated timezones db with the app ? Mar 16 16:05:48 right Mar 16 16:06:01 back Mar 16 16:06:08 and dawm_ awesome!!! Mar 16 16:06:11 setp check on launch - if db notexist, run first use Mar 16 16:06:29 dl db from server and populate, or just load from pre-made sql in the app Mar 16 16:06:32 right thats the way I'll go Mar 16 16:06:36 hay silent_ninja1 Mar 16 16:06:42 and infiniteloop Mar 16 16:06:56 hi PatrickC_Away Mar 16 16:07:05 how's it goin? Mar 16 16:07:11 personally, id just include the sql statements to build it in a js file, and call it if the db dosnt exist Mar 16 16:07:27 then its bundled with the app still, and only delays the first launch by a second or so Mar 16 16:07:40 PatrickC_Pre: its going good, I have a app ready to be released and working on another app Mar 16 16:07:59 awesome! Mar 16 16:08:05 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: right, will follow that approach Mar 16 16:08:10 what's the app that's ready to be released? Mar 16 16:08:36 its a nyc subway train timetable Mar 16 16:08:45 ahh Mar 16 16:08:52 what's the other one? Mar 16 16:09:05 that could be handy next time im out there Mar 16 16:09:11 Im working on a world time clock Mar 16 16:09:17 updated based off the nyc transit website, or manually by you? Mar 16 16:09:43 I have the nyc database - built a webservice + webos app around it Mar 16 16:09:45 store everything w/ unix timestamps Mar 16 16:09:52 then youll need my app to debug it! Mar 16 16:09:56 :) Mar 16 16:10:04 what app silent_ninjan Mar 16 16:10:05 lol Mar 16 16:10:08 ah, nice :) Mar 16 16:10:18 unix timestamp converter Mar 16 16:10:25 cool Mar 16 16:10:36 I think I've heard of it... Mar 16 16:10:37 just search for unix in the app cat Mar 16 16:10:41 not many results :/ Mar 16 16:10:45 lol Mar 16 16:11:21 hi :) Mar 16 16:11:36 but its $0.99 :) Mar 16 16:11:40 ehhhh whats up doc Mar 16 16:11:41 hay lichtlos Mar 16 16:11:58 PatrickC_Pre2: how's you pre2 so far? Mar 16 16:12:04 amazing :D Mar 16 16:12:13 i wanted to do $.49 or $.25, but they wont let me put it lower than .99 Mar 16 16:12:17 * Lichtlos still waits for his to arrive Mar 16 16:12:38 I know silent_ninja! Mar 16 16:12:54 I have an app I want to make a price like that, but they don't let you :'( Mar 16 16:13:18 why not make it free and display an ad at first usage? Mar 16 16:13:39 this way, everyone wins Mar 16 16:13:51 that's too much work :p Mar 16 16:14:22 PatrickC_Pre2: ... Mar 16 16:14:28 hehe Mar 16 16:15:11 sugardave: http://m.precentral.net/hp-expanding-internal-beta-tests-new-devices Mar 16 16:15:26 will you also get a device once you get the job? :) Mar 16 16:17:15 here's how it looks right now - http://yfrog.com/h3fbe3p Mar 16 16:18:02 * PatrickC_Pre2 is loving Gorilla Glass <3 Mar 16 16:18:15 looks good Mar 16 16:18:55 Lichtlos, actually, i might put adds in it and make it free Mar 16 16:19:06 if i ever feel like opening that file again... Mar 16 16:19:29 had lots of help from my better half on designing & colors Mar 16 16:21:42 what is everyones comments on my apps? Mar 16 16:22:08 Fog Horn, Just a Flashlight Plus/Lite, Lighter Light Beta/Pixi, Strobe! Lite Mar 16 16:24:17 fog horn blows alot of smoke Mar 16 16:24:26 flashlight is kindve bright Mar 16 16:24:26 lol Mar 16 16:24:31 lighter light is burning Mar 16 16:24:43 and stobe light causes eplieptic seizures :) Mar 16 16:24:49 hehe Mar 16 16:25:18 but seriously.. what do you think? Mar 16 16:25:25 I made all those with Ares... Mar 16 16:25:50 dunno, havnt looked at any of em Mar 16 16:26:00 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I like that approach Mar 16 16:26:30 which one? for including the db? Mar 16 16:26:57 no, making an app free Mar 16 16:27:35 and ad supported? yeah - its a common one Mar 16 16:29:17 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: http://www.sciencepub.net/nature/ns0712/05_2012_easy_ns0712_31_32.pdf if you have 2 minutes for laughing, read this Mar 16 16:36:19 sure, after i get back from lunch :) Mar 16 16:41:40 I've added a file to sources.json, but now the console kicks out a wierd error: error: Uncaught Error: INVALID_CHARACTER_ERR: DOM Exception 5, InstallPrototypeBuiltIn:1.914 Mar 16 16:41:46 any1 has a hint for that ? Mar 16 16:43:22 run your sources.json thru jsonlint Mar 16 16:45:07 its valid Mar 16 16:49:26 is the app catalog down? Mar 16 16:50:14 nm working again Mar 16 16:50:39 haeffb-pre2, any other ideas ? Mar 16 16:52:25 SimpsonCH: sounds like something in the include file is using bad chars Mar 16 16:52:46 sugardave: did you see my link? Mar 16 16:52:48 okay, any idea how to check that ? Mar 16 16:53:28 SimpsonCH: well, you could pastebin it and lots of people could take a look :) Mar 16 16:53:47 original URI would probably help better Mar 16 16:54:01 sugardave, http://webr3.org/apps/play/api/api.js Mar 16 16:54:10 PatrickC_Pre2: saw it from tweets, I would assume anyone working in Palm GBU would get a crack at new devices Mar 16 16:54:35 give us a review once you get it ;) Mar 16 16:55:56 SimpsonCH: ah jeez, that is a lot :) so, you COULD comment out the contents of that file and start uncommenting until you find the problem Mar 16 16:55:59 sucks, yes Mar 16 16:56:01 but it works :) Mar 16 16:56:22 great Mar 16 16:56:31 size shouldn't be a issue ? Mar 16 16:56:50 ~twss Mar 16 16:56:57 SimpsonCH: shouldn't be Mar 16 16:57:02 k Mar 16 16:57:55 PatrickC_Pre2: that would probably be a fire-able offense, so no Mar 16 16:58:03 man Mar 16 16:58:13 oh well, I'll just have to wait Mar 16 17:00:14 bbl school time Mar 16 17:02:03 wow, i thought people were still complaining about app catalog updates Mar 16 17:02:08 mine went through in less than a day Mar 16 17:03:23 awesome Mar 16 17:05:03 awesome indeed Mar 16 17:05:54 mine too Mar 16 17:05:57 sugardave, okay version from github works Mar 16 17:06:02 updates are fast nowadays Mar 16 17:06:29 SimpsonCH: ah, cool Mar 16 17:06:52 sugardave, no clue what the difference is Mar 16 17:07:01 who here is good with the OAuth procedure? Mar 16 17:07:21 SimpsonCH: probably something nearly impossible to spot, I'm no good with diff but it will tell you ;) Mar 16 17:07:48 yeah, the diff is huge :) Mar 16 17:07:53 hah Mar 16 17:08:13 * SimpsonCH would love to have client side cert support Mar 16 17:08:18 my first guess is it was naming stuff starting with _ Mar 16 17:09:00 (because I saw someone fixed their DOM err 5 by not naming things starting with _) Mar 16 17:24:37 The percentage of Mar 16 17:24:37 Africa that is wilderness: 28% Mar 16 17:24:38 (now get this...) Mar 16 17:24:45 The percentage of Mar 16 17:24:45 North America that is wilderness: 38% Mar 16 17:25:22 111,111,111 x Mar 16 17:25:22 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987, 654,321 Mar 16 17:25:27 awesome Mar 16 17:25:55 5000 Useless Facts app? lol Mar 16 17:26:04 no an email ;p Mar 16 17:26:12 1.71 MB download on pre2 Mar 16 17:26:14 not bad Mar 16 17:26:29 aww damn.. Mar 16 17:26:36 what? Mar 16 17:26:38 what day are there more collect calls than any other day of the year? Mar 16 17:26:54 hmmm Mar 16 17:27:00 Christmas? Mar 16 17:27:06 fathers day Mar 16 17:27:12 hehe Mar 16 17:28:15 is there a smart way to 'var_dump' a object to the console ?? Mar 16 17:28:28 ok im gonna pastebin this Mar 16 17:28:29 it was good Mar 16 17:28:32 dawm_ did you say you got your pre2? Mar 16 17:28:38 Mar 16 17:28:43 no Mar 16 17:28:46 but one is on the way Mar 16 17:28:49 yay Mar 16 17:28:56 they are amazing :) Mar 16 17:28:58 so fast Mar 16 17:29:58 I was thinking the form factor of the Koycera Echo was gonna try and pull me away from Palm till Sprint got new devices... Mar 16 17:30:07 but the Pre2 changed that :) Mar 16 17:33:09 Lichtlos, that was pretty funny Mar 16 17:34:07 hay sineot Mar 16 17:35:41 http://pastebin.com/BcNHzx2p Mar 16 17:37:08 hey Mar 16 17:39:10 dawm_: that doesnt look like code :( Mar 16 17:40:02 That's how they get you, dohtem. That's how they get you. Mar 16 17:40:21 heh Mar 16 17:42:27 hi SineOt! Mar 16 17:43:25 hey dkirker :] Mar 16 17:43:32 How's Universe going? Mar 16 17:43:56 pretty good. Squashed some major bugs. Now it is just about finishing some features that should have been done by now. :) Mar 16 17:44:11 squashed some bugs on your palm? Mar 16 17:44:16 you washed your hands right? Mar 16 17:44:21 haha Mar 16 17:44:25 of course :) Mar 16 17:44:46 dkirker: Mind if I bug you about some possible graphical things? :] Mar 16 17:44:55 sure! Mar 16 17:45:18 I need to run and take a shower right now (busy day today!), but feel free to. I'll be back in about a half of an hour. Mar 16 17:45:29 http://pastebin.com/TdzcXzz5 Mar 16 17:45:37 heres some code for you if you were missing it :) Mar 16 17:46:11 nice one Mar 16 17:46:12 whoever can guess the output of that one deserves a free beer (or other beverage of choice) Mar 16 17:46:22 MetaView, cant take credit, not mine Mar 16 17:46:31 ioccc entry awhile back Mar 16 17:47:57 is it "this is why we can't have nice things" Mar 16 17:48:07 because looking at that code, that's what it's making me think :T Mar 16 17:48:18 lol Mar 16 17:48:35 haha Mar 16 17:48:58 it prints all 12 verses of the 12 days of christmas song Mar 16 17:49:06 hence the name, 12days.c Mar 16 17:49:39 Hmmm. Yup, it's why we can't have nice things. :T Mar 16 17:51:09 lol Mar 16 17:52:57 zombie mario Mar 16 17:52:58 http://undead-art.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=24#/d35605h Mar 16 17:53:47 with all these fun links, am I to assume most of us are in a holding pattern regarding webOS dev :) Mar 16 17:54:19 im just being lazy Mar 16 17:54:51 i could have had my game done awhile ago, was toying with trying out canvas, but ive decided not to and be lazy some more Mar 16 17:55:03 canvas is weird Mar 16 17:55:07 cool but weird Mar 16 17:55:28 doesnt work well on device as it does on my pc (too much stuff going on, super low frame rate) Mar 16 17:56:40 how low we talkin'? Mar 16 17:56:59 .002fps? Mar 16 17:58:39 unplayable Mar 16 17:58:49 and things arent even moving :P Mar 16 17:58:55 dohtem: I am being lazy Mar 16 17:59:53 that sucks Mar 16 18:00:04 are you calling like, a full screen clear and redraw on it real often? Mar 16 18:04:11 Man this is way awkward, there's this like 40 something couple here in starbucks arguing over dumb shit really loud Mar 16 18:04:20 and she's wearing a snuggie :I Mar 16 18:04:24 tell them to stfu Mar 16 18:05:17 shoot a video w/your pre and post it to youtube :P Mar 16 18:10:05 I don't have a Pre :I Mar 16 18:10:50 MetaView: ping Mar 16 18:12:16 http://zhe.ph/hm0ZNG donate to St.Baldricks Mar 16 18:14:27 * dohtem feels bad for thinking it was a St. Patty's day drinking fund Mar 16 18:16:52 * rwhitby-pre wonders how the manservant from black adder became a saint ... Mar 16 18:30:14 derp Mar 16 18:30:37 herp Mar 16 18:31:06 sup oi Mar 16 18:31:47 more wirc work in anticipation of the ability to submit it to the catalog Mar 16 18:31:55 oh yeah Mar 16 18:31:57 JS services? Mar 16 18:32:04 pdk hybrid Mar 16 18:32:08 ah right Mar 16 18:32:24 my boy @doctorliguist did a gopher client up Mar 16 18:32:54 for webos? Mar 16 18:33:07 yep Mar 16 18:33:46 rwhitby-pre: pong, good morning Mar 16 18:34:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPz7qPAxxxc Mar 16 18:34:28 :D Mar 16 18:34:34 MetaView: could you please add some attribution to you blog about using jailusers to make Terminus work? Mar 16 18:35:06 attribution to webos-internals? ehm, yes :) Mar 16 18:36:40 funkatron: how is spaz special edition goin? Mar 16 18:36:51 oil: 108 sales as of last night Mar 16 18:36:53 well, downloads Mar 16 18:36:58 so I am assuming Mar 16 18:38:23 Ahhhhhh ;_; so cute http://livedoor.2.blogimg.jp/cpiblog00569/imgs/8/8/88ca29f8.jpg Mar 16 18:40:24 lol Mar 16 18:40:45 Save yourself, it's too late for me! ;_; Mar 16 18:48:40 another request for an Android version of one of my apps. Mar 16 18:49:04 what app is that? Mar 16 18:49:38 Myles Mar 16 18:50:01 what does it do? Mar 16 18:50:46 business mileage tracking Mar 16 18:51:02 what did you tell them? Mar 16 18:51:21 'buisness milage tracking? for like, flights/cars? Mar 16 18:54:02 like odometer readings for IRS Mar 16 18:54:10 or expense reporting Mar 16 18:54:17 oh Mar 16 18:54:19 useful Mar 16 18:54:23 "No." Mar 16 18:54:50 "But have you tries the Pre 2 on Verizon?" Mar 16 18:54:58 tried Mar 16 18:55:18 oil: wirc needs a bigger keyboard Mar 16 18:55:27 ... Mar 16 18:56:04 Lol Mar 16 18:56:15 wirc? don't you use the physical keyboard? Mar 16 18:56:55 yes, but how does he expect me to type on this tiny thing? Mar 16 18:57:11 who is he? Mar 16 18:57:47 oil? he's the gut who wrote the UI for wIRC Mar 16 18:57:55 oh Mar 16 18:57:55 guy Mar 16 18:57:58 see? Mar 16 18:58:10 ridiculous Mar 16 18:58:11 ugh why would you put a virtual keyboard over a small screen when a physical keyboard is superior Mar 16 18:58:29 learn to type Mar 16 18:58:31 or get smaller fingers Mar 16 18:58:39 ShadeS: because a virtual keyboard can go landscape, when the physical one is always portrait :T Mar 16 18:58:48 I think wIRC should come with a BT keyboard Mar 16 18:58:54 SineOt: so? Mar 16 18:58:57 you'd sell more Mar 16 18:59:06 what good does it do you if you can't see the chat buffer because the keyoard is takin gup 50% of the screen Mar 16 18:59:33 by having more than a seconds worth of working memory to know what got said? XD Mar 16 18:59:59 wIRC - $2.99 with free BT keyboard! Mar 16 19:00:11 when typing on a virtual keyboard, you need to stare at the screen while typing Mar 16 19:00:16 instead of where you're walking or driving Mar 16 19:00:17 sell thousands of copies! Mar 16 19:00:25 shame on you for IRC'ing while driving! Mar 16 19:00:42 I've been texting and driving for over a decade now. Number of accidents?: 0 Mar 16 19:01:05 in fact in a couple of years I will have been driving for over half my life Mar 16 19:01:24 so while I don't condone this behavior or recomend it to others, it works fine for me Mar 16 19:01:28 i'm able to keep focued on the road Mar 16 19:03:21 and why is texting and driving not ok, but messing around with your radio, cdplayer, gps system, front tv dashes ok? Mar 16 19:03:24 hypocracy.... Mar 16 19:03:45 anyone that says texting and driving is a hypocrate if they use their cdplayer/radio/gps/other distracting things while driving Mar 16 19:04:41 I dunno, here I just see stuff saying to not drive distracted which covers all of that :x Mar 16 19:06:57 I suppose Mar 16 19:07:10 "messing around with the radio" === lifting one arm to a known position and feeling for 1 of 6-8 buttons Mar 16 19:07:20 definitely NOT the same as texting Mar 16 19:07:41 'texting' == lifting one arm to a known position and feeling for 1 of 28~ buttons Mar 16 19:07:54 and looking at a tiny screen to read Mar 16 19:08:00 i.e. not looking at the road Mar 16 19:08:05 uh Mar 16 19:08:11 i don't look at my screen when i'm entering text Mar 16 19:08:14 because I've learned to touch type Mar 16 19:08:17 uh Mar 16 19:08:22 you don't get responses to your texts? Mar 16 19:08:33 you don't feel the need to read them? Mar 16 19:08:36 i only look down at it to read it, and i don't spend any more time looking down than I would to check my spedometer/odometer/etc Mar 16 19:08:44 you're telling me that all you do is touch type and NEVER look at your screen for replies Mar 16 19:08:50 that's bullshit Mar 16 19:08:50 no i didn't say that Mar 16 19:08:53 i don't stare at my screen Mar 16 19:08:58 i don't have a touchscreen input method Mar 16 19:09:06 so i don't have to stare at the screen to see what i'm doing Mar 16 19:09:17 you have to stare at it to READ it Mar 16 19:09:20 that's what I"m saying Mar 16 19:09:25 no you don't Mar 16 19:09:29 and it is NOT the same as looking at your odometer Mar 16 19:09:32 maybe /you/ do Mar 16 19:09:35 speedometer whatever Mar 16 19:09:37 /I/ just have to glance at it Mar 16 19:09:45 no, because I'm not stupid enough to text while driving Mar 16 19:09:49 wait what Mar 16 19:09:55 texting and driving isn't stupid if you know what you're doing Mar 16 19:09:58 you don't read to see what you're responding to? Mar 16 19:10:00 yes it is stupid Mar 16 19:10:03 SineOt: yes I do Mar 16 19:10:08 ut i don't stare at the screen for 5-10 seconds Mar 16 19:10:13 i glance at it for 1 at MOST 2 seconds Mar 16 19:10:21 the same amount of time required to check my speed/etc Mar 16 19:10:24 it doesn't matter, that is 1-2 seconds you're not paying attention Mar 16 19:10:25 no Mar 16 19:10:26 it isn't Mar 16 19:10:30 yes, itis Mar 16 19:10:43 dunno what to tell you, over a decade of texting & driving, 0 accidents. Mar 16 19:10:51 lucky is all Mar 16 19:10:56 * haeffb-pre2 remembers this discussion from a few months ago Mar 16 19:10:59 other people might be stupid and/or don't know how to multi task Mar 16 19:11:06 sugardave: luck has nothing to do with it. It's just inate skill Mar 16 19:11:07 would love to be there when they're pulling your mangled body out of your smoking wreck Mar 16 19:11:10 no Mar 16 19:11:15 not going to happen Mar 16 19:11:22 because i don't stare at my phone as i'm driving under a semi Mar 16 19:11:28 skill does not keep some other idiot from plowing into you while you weren't paying attention Mar 16 19:11:36 * haeffb-pre2 has done a lot of drinking & driving and never killed anyone. Mar 16 19:11:38 you're just wrong Mar 16 19:11:39 yet. Mar 16 19:11:41 i look out for that shit before I ever even look down at my phone Mar 16 19:11:48 you're just wrong Mar 16 19:11:52 if there are crazy individuals close enough to swerve into me, I don't look at my phone Mar 16 19:11:55 no, I'm not Mar 16 19:11:57 you're just wrong Mar 16 19:12:00 you just refuse to accept soe people can do it Mar 16 19:12:02 when you can Mar 16 19:12:05 *cant Mar 16 19:12:21 no, I don't want other people being stupid...we have enough stupid shit going on in cars as it is Mar 16 19:12:47 I'm not being stupid while i'm doing it, hence not being in an accident as a result of texting and driving Mar 16 19:12:58 your speedometer/dash is in the line of sight OF THE ROAD...in fact you can see the road AND your speed at the same time...you cannot do that with your phone Mar 16 19:13:07 where do you think my phone sits? Mar 16 19:13:08 I can do it. and have done it. but its still stupid. Mar 16 19:13:13 right next to my speedometer, kthx Mar 16 19:13:28 now you're just lying Mar 16 19:13:33 no Mar 16 19:13:37 I'm not Mar 16 19:13:49 it's decked out and streamlined for efficiency Mar 16 19:13:51 so then you have to reach around/through your steering wheel to text Mar 16 19:13:58 that sounds even more stupid Mar 16 19:14:02 no Mar 16 19:14:12 if your phone is next to your speedometer, yes Mar 16 19:14:21 i lift the phone out of it's place, and i hold it freely at my side while typing while looking directly in front of me, checking my mirrors as i'm doing so Mar 16 19:14:26 unless you are taking your phone in hand and replvcing it afrer every text Mar 16 19:14:33 once i'm done typing i put it back in it's lil doc Mar 16 19:14:34 k Mar 16 19:14:38 yeah Mar 16 19:14:40 that's what i'm doing Mar 16 19:14:45 works for me Mar 16 19:14:50 over a decade in practice Mar 16 19:14:52 this whole discussion is retarded on so many levels Mar 16 19:15:04 SineOt: yes, including the premise Mar 16 19:15:05 just stop it, you're making baby jesus cry :( Mar 16 19:15:17 rwhitby-pre: well, I hope it's ok now Mar 16 19:15:26 no, i'm not going to stop something I'm perfectly capable of doing because the majority can't handle it Mar 16 19:15:37 that's like telling a man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew Mar 16 19:15:52 welp Mar 16 19:15:57 welp welp welp Mar 16 19:16:13 well ShadeS what if I told you that it was perfectly okay for me to drive around after mainlining a few rails of coke? it's okay, because I've been doing it for 10 years and I haven't been hit yet! Mar 16 19:16:46 false analogies; mind altering substances != manipulating devices clean and sober of mind Mar 16 19:17:18 welppppppppppp Mar 16 19:17:34 no Mar 16 19:17:37 texting while driving is totally like feeding a baby steak Mar 16 19:17:40 it's a distraction Mar 16 19:17:42 if officers are 'aware enough' to have cellphones and laptops open and active in vehicles so too can I be this aware Mar 16 19:17:54 sugardave: if you allow yourself to be distracted Mar 16 19:17:57 no one sad you can't have a cellphone Mar 16 19:18:03 I have one in my car Mar 16 19:18:16 I just have the self-control to not have to use it every freaking second of my life Mar 16 19:18:35 i don't see why all the fuss about distraction from a cell phone but not distraction from other passengers, the radio, accidents on the side of the road, hot female wlaking across the street, Mar 16 19:18:59 and i have the self control to be able to use it while i'm ine motion with out negatively effecting my driving abilities Mar 16 19:19:00 radio, not the same, see previous...other examples, beyond our control as drivers Mar 16 19:19:15 how is it not the same Mar 16 19:19:21 it's more the same than comparing it to your drugs analogy Mar 16 19:19:28 do you have to type messages into your radio and read response from it? Mar 16 19:19:29 no Mar 16 19:19:32 Its a simple thing to blame to control our behavior Mar 16 19:19:35 in fact higher end radio system have options and submenus you can spend minutes in Mar 16 19:19:46 eq settings and all this and that Mar 16 19:19:59 The statistics aren't accurate either Mar 16 19:20:02 and if you are messing with that while driving, you're a dumbass Mar 16 19:20:14 keep saying it, and it might become true Mar 16 19:20:26 it is true, I don't have to keep saying it Mar 16 19:20:43 hurf a durf Mar 16 19:20:54 if they didn't want people txting and driving they shouldn't have a) invented cars b) invented cell phones Mar 16 19:21:15 ahhhhhhh ShadeS you really aren't helping your argument any throwing out dumb stuff like that Mar 16 19:21:16 hehe Mar 16 19:21:26 in fact, before cellphones they HAD car phones Mar 16 19:21:28 remember those? Mar 16 19:21:31 weighed a ton Mar 16 19:21:34 had to run of the battery Mar 16 19:21:38 cost a fortune Mar 16 19:21:42 ShadeS: whatever, here's the deal...hope you don't injure one of my family members because you were texting and I will let you live, otherwise you die Mar 16 19:21:42 Life is full of calculated risks Mar 16 19:21:52 sugardave: lul Mar 16 19:22:07 have you bene listening? number of accidents as a result of texting and driving: 0 Mar 16 19:22:13 Driving in us is the safest ever Mar 16 19:22:25 the only time i've been into an 'accident' is when i came back to my car from the store to find out some one had backed into my rear brake lights Mar 16 19:22:36 right, I spent over a decade being a raging drunk...driving impaaired and all that...number of accidents: 0 Mar 16 19:22:52 yeah see? right there, you proved yourself Mar 16 19:22:56 "driving *impared*" Mar 16 19:23:02 driving while texting isn't driving impared Mar 16 19:23:05 While we're on the subject... There needs to be a law where it is illegal for the driver (in any State) to do anything BUT drive. Mar 16 19:23:10 driving under the influence of a mind controlling substances is driving impared Mar 16 19:23:11 but I had 0 accidents, so I should be allowed to do that, according to your logic Mar 16 19:23:26 dkirker: good luck getting that passed and enforced Mar 16 19:23:34 sugardave: no Mar 16 19:23:36 yes Mar 16 19:23:40 ShadeS: You need to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DebhWD6ljZs Mar 16 19:23:43 you're comparing apples to oranges Mar 16 19:23:44 0 accidents! Mar 16 19:23:47 no Mar 16 19:23:50 I'm comparing ends Mar 16 19:23:52 yes you are Mar 16 19:23:57 0 accidents Mar 16 19:24:11 driving drunk is inherently dangerous as you're intoxicated the duration of that time Mar 16 19:24:28 texting while driving is inherently dangerous because it takes your eyes from the road Mar 16 19:24:33 texting and driving only temporarily suspends (if even suspends at all) your attention and when you return you're at a focused state of mind Mar 16 19:24:37 sugardave: bingo! Mar 16 19:24:41 not a cloudy drunk haze with impareed judgement Mar 16 19:24:58 ShadeS: Your brain is terrible at context switching, FYI. Mar 16 19:24:59 dkirker: this is an argument of the young and foolish vs. the older and more experienced Mar 16 19:25:17 young? lul Mar 16 19:25:20 I'm not 16 Mar 16 19:25:26 I didn't just get my drivers license Mar 16 19:25:27 and? Mar 16 19:25:44 like I said I've been doing this for almost over half my life, I think i'm pretty confident in saying, I *know* what I'm doing Mar 16 19:25:56 wow Mar 16 19:26:06 this sounds like an addict in denial Mar 16 19:26:13 Both of you are arguing based on emotions; not facts just like MADD, NHTSA, etc Mar 16 19:26:17 so wait, if you've been doing it for 10 years and that's "almost" over half your life, you're what, 19? 20? Mar 16 19:26:26 somebody missed the news about texting/talking while driving being more dangerous than drinking while driving. Mar 16 19:26:32 just so you are aware there is a small percentage of the population that can multi task, just because you're not part of it doesn't mean that group of people doesn't exist Mar 16 19:26:32 And this is why I hate being on the road Mar 16 19:26:41 SineOt: no Mar 16 19:26:43 dkirker: nah, they just dismiss it as not relevant to their situation Mar 16 19:26:47 i started driving at 15 Mar 16 19:26:50 i'm turning 27 this year Mar 16 19:26:56 anyway I am going to ask that you take this "debate' out of my channel before I start laying out the bans. Mar 16 19:27:06 dkirker: meep, you got it Mar 16 19:27:54 so, next topic...religion? politics? Mar 16 19:27:57 Censorship Mar 16 19:28:18 puppies Mar 16 19:28:24 Mark_M: well there's a lot of incompetent people out there, I don't expect everybody to have the skills of a gold metal olympist Mar 16 19:28:26 puppies are cute Mar 16 19:28:30 inorit Mar 16 19:28:41 would anyone be interested in a webOS Theme Kit that provided ready to use CSS styles and such for widgets? Mar 16 19:29:07 yes Mar 16 19:29:35 SineOt: are they going to suck? Mar 16 19:29:44 because if so, I'll just use my own :P Mar 16 19:29:44 sugardave: hell no Mar 16 19:30:00 they'd kick ass and take names and throw Mojo styling under the bus Mar 16 19:30:16 ShadeS, that's what our govt thinks which is why they want to control our lives. Now back to work. Mar 16 19:30:28 poor Mojo, everyone is all bagging on it when it used to be the shit Mar 16 19:30:30 will they be free? Mar 16 19:30:42 has-been Mar 16 19:30:46 probably Mar 16 19:31:01 been thinking of doing them as like, MIT licensed or something Mar 16 19:31:03 The dev community is stick in the middle Mar 16 19:31:14 Stuck Mar 16 19:31:23 Mojo is awesome, it's just that sometimes the styling well... doesn't fit with an app Mar 16 19:31:34 and I've seen some pretty bad attempts to theme stuff Mar 16 19:31:41 stupid meetings are stupid Mar 16 19:31:43 bbiab Mar 16 19:32:01 I think at worst the license would just require an attribution Mar 16 19:32:08 similar to glyphish Mar 16 19:34:58 * SiLeNt_NiNjA1 is all for those new devices theyve talked about that block cell signal while the vehicle is in motion Mar 16 19:38:03 they should just start shipping an accelerometer based lock out in the OS Mar 16 19:38:17 moving more than say, 10mph? lock it out Mar 16 19:41:17 not a solution. I want to wIRC while wife drives. Mar 16 19:43:22 RT @adrianinsf: I heard the new #IE9 can download Firefox even faster than the last one. Mar 16 19:43:31 #funny Mar 16 19:45:39 haeffb-pre2: "just get a new wife who doesn't drive" -Steve, sent from my iPad Mar 16 19:50:35 uh oh. she didn't like it when I said Steve and his iPad said we should get a divorce Mar 16 19:52:11 haeffb-pre2: "see? I was right all along." -Steve, sent from my iPad Mar 16 20:05:26 I want NetFlix on my "enterprise" device. Mar 16 20:06:16 want to watch The Sopranos at work? Mar 16 20:06:28 because I'm a "consumer". Mar 16 20:06:43 yes. Mar 16 20:08:28 I'm frustrated by the concept of an "enterprise" device. Mar 16 20:08:58 just look at BlackBerry's market share shrink. Mar 16 20:16:04 more market for HP....I kind of like the Enterprise angle Mar 16 20:16:21 nothing that says you have to play in only the enterprise or consumer market Mar 16 20:17:24 it should be sold as 'this device does it all' including making your business life easier. Mar 16 20:18:41 It feels like an excuse... I know we don't have a NetFlix or Google Maps Navigation app... it because it's an Enterprise device. Mar 16 20:19:17 I know that's not why but it... it just feels that way. Mar 16 20:21:11 The real reason why those apps don't exist today are much different reasons like previously missing API and 3rd party deals. Mar 16 20:24:02 scoinvaPre: I understand your point, in the absence of missing applications, though, being a solid enterprise device is a good thing Mar 16 20:24:43 you don't have a netflix app because not enough people bought webOS devices Mar 16 20:24:55 and you don't have a navigation app because… Mar 16 20:25:01 I need an article explaining the difference. WebOS does this for business versus other devices. Mar 16 20:25:43 good point. The chicken or the egg. Mar 16 20:38:58 WebOS does not make a solid enterprise device Mar 16 20:39:12 they dont even properly support legacy type web technology in the browser Mar 16 20:39:23 can a certain scene push it self over and over again ? recursivly sort of ? Mar 16 20:39:25 Nor support propper exchange sync Mar 16 20:41:17 SimpsonCH: yes Mar 16 20:41:32 sugardave, okay thx Mar 16 20:41:44 you might want to do swapScene instead of pushScene depending on what you're trying to do Mar 16 20:42:21 i'm trying browse into data, and go a level deeper all the time Mar 16 20:42:57 so wanna create a new scene, so be able to browse back, swapscene probably replaces the current without allow the back gesture right ? Mar 16 20:43:03 yes Mar 16 20:43:33 it will still allow it if there is another scene under the current one in the stack, but swap will replace the top scene in the stack Mar 16 20:43:44 instead of just pushing one onto the stack Mar 16 20:44:18 if you keep the data in some object and have a way to track what level you are in, you can still use swapScene Mar 16 20:44:36 (so if you have a lot of data, you don't end up with 100 scenes in the stack) Mar 16 20:52:31 OH SNAP http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/16/o2-germany-says-hp-veer-is-coming-in-may/ Mar 16 20:52:47 GET READY TO PUT A PHONE IN YOUR PANTS Mar 16 20:53:33 sugardave, I get that Mar 16 20:53:33 sugardave, how to stack a scene in 2.0 ?? Mar 16 20:55:31 SimpsonCH: you mean the stacks thing? if your app launches a new card, I believe it will stack automatically Mar 16 20:55:37 like the web browser will Mar 16 20:55:50 I think wirc opens a web browser card stacked if you tap a link Mar 16 20:56:08 okay, so whats the difference between a card and a scene then ? Mar 16 20:56:28 sugardave, sorry, for asking stupid questions, just starting to find my way around Mar 16 20:56:31 well, the card is like a stage Mar 16 20:56:36 a card is like thr browser Mar 16 20:56:46 and in the stage are scenes (views) of your app Mar 16 20:57:05 yeah, the scenes are actually DIV elements that get hidden and shown Mar 16 20:57:19 the card is really not like the browser. My bad Mar 16 20:57:24 what sugardave said. Mar 16 20:57:25 ah okay Mar 16 20:57:33 let me read the docs ;) Mar 16 20:58:01 hmm so how would one push a scene as a new stage ? Mar 16 20:58:16 ah Mar 16 20:58:28 you want to force a new card for each new level of information? Mar 16 20:58:59 the card is like a tab Mar 16 20:59:11 I see, so a card is more a 2nd instance of the whole app ? Mar 16 20:59:16 yes Mar 16 20:59:26 well Mar 16 20:59:28 lol Mar 16 20:59:37 oil knows more about stacks :) Mar 16 20:59:42 meh stacks Mar 16 20:59:46 sugardave, maybe, just trying to wrap my head around concepts Mar 16 21:00:42 so how would I do that programmaticly ? Mar 16 21:00:46 e.g. start a new card ? Mar 16 21:00:47 SimpsonCH: what you have described so far seems more like a single card application where you are browsing data Mar 16 21:01:18 sugardave, I see your point, and I think you are right, just wanna know a bit more Mar 16 21:01:27 SimpsonCH: I think you would have to control your app at the app-controller level and launch a new stage for each card you want Mar 16 21:01:30 I THINK Mar 16 21:01:37 since in what I wanna do, it might be handy to have more cards on the same information with another representation Mar 16 21:02:11 if I"m right, there are methods like handleLaunch that let you determine what to do when a new launch request is issued against your app Mar 16 21:02:22 * sugardave keeps expecting oil to join in the conversation. Mar 16 21:02:31 * oil goes to get lunch :) Mar 16 21:02:35 bastard! Mar 16 21:02:45 :) Mar 16 21:02:50 however Mar 16 21:02:54 you can launch a new stage whenever Mar 16 21:03:01 stage/card, same thing Mar 16 21:03:20 handle launch is called when the user (usually) launches your app Mar 16 21:03:29 unless you are usint the timer or some other method of launching your app Mar 16 21:03:37 but that goes there with the params object Mar 16 21:04:11 okay, I need to do some reading it seems :) Mar 16 21:04:22 but the concepts are clear to me now Mar 16 21:04:26 thats the important part Mar 16 21:04:41 if you want to spawn your own stages, you want to read up on createStageWithCallback Mar 16 21:04:50 uri ? Mar 16 21:04:51 ah, that's the one Mar 16 21:05:16 I actually enjoy using email on Pre2 Mar 16 21:05:37 not at all frustrating like Pre- Mar 16 21:05:40 * SimpsonCH should get a pre, although I never got a confirmation, but someone else did :) Mar 16 21:06:03 SimpsonCH: check this out: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1794 Mar 16 21:06:29 has anyone run into a problem with a list widget where the middle of the screen is unresponsive to tap events on the list widget? Mar 16 21:06:33 Hey Oil Mar 16 21:07:11 it's the weirdest problem, only happens to me on one list in one specific scene, and that particular list is set up like any normal list Mar 16 21:07:18 haeffb-pre2 - the pre- really is a detractor for the webos community Mar 16 21:07:23 I would even say the pre+ is Mar 16 21:07:25 sugardave, excellent ! Mar 16 21:07:25 rsanchez1_: the only time that happened to me is because I had a transparent div over the list Mar 16 21:07:44 hmm, I think I have a transparent div Mar 16 21:08:10 thanks for the tip, debugging now... Mar 16 21:08:12 rsanchez1_: then you want to manipualte its z-index when switching between visible and invisible Mar 16 21:08:21 CTLAdvance: yes, very frustrating to think where webOS might be if new HW last year... Mar 16 21:09:36 Do we have 2.1 running on the sprint pre2 yet Mar 16 21:09:40 I"m trying to figure out why this old project where I was testing OAuth has a piece of workflow that doesn't seem to be necessary... Mar 16 21:10:57 @sugardave, yep, that seems to be the problem Mar 16 21:11:06 thanks again for the tip! Mar 16 21:16:42 re Mar 16 21:17:01 sugardave: dunno if this will help but I was looking at it earlier - http://code.google.com/chrome/extensions/tut_oauth.html Mar 16 21:17:05 howdy everyone Mar 16 21:17:17 Tibfib :) Mar 16 21:17:39 what's up? Mar 16 21:17:41 hi Tibfib! Mar 16 21:18:01 howdy! Mar 16 21:18:03 going to push easterhegg app to github Mar 16 21:18:21 dohtem: cool, that kind of confirms my confusion...somehow I have request -> verify -> authorize -> access Mar 16 21:18:28 verify seems to not be in the spec Mar 16 21:19:05 I wonder if they really are going to release the 2.0 SDK this week Mar 16 21:19:14 they've got 2 more days Mar 16 21:19:17 we've been promised a lot of things before Mar 16 21:19:27 They usually seem to release stuff on mondays Mar 16 21:19:37 "in the coming months" Mar 16 21:19:37 it's a trap Mar 16 21:19:41 i ever thought fridays Mar 16 21:19:43 "on the horizon" Mar 16 21:19:51 "in the near future" Mar 16 21:19:52 "maybe someday" Mar 16 21:19:59 :( Mar 16 21:20:06 they'll release the 3.0 SDK before the 2.0 SDK comes out of NDA Mar 16 21:20:06 * Tibfib doesn't have faith in palm's "this week" Mar 16 21:20:18 they've kinda blown the whole timing thiing Mar 16 21:20:40 you guys are going to make Adora mad Mar 16 21:20:45 the deprecated sdk is under NDA... let that sink in Mar 16 21:20:51 sugardave: it's not her fault Mar 16 21:21:02 dunno why she'd get mad Mar 16 21:21:11 empathy Mar 16 21:21:30 sugardave: something like that =] Mar 16 21:21:37 haha Mar 16 21:21:46 haha Mar 16 21:21:58 I take a lot of heat for the crap that goes on around here just because I'm the only one willing to discuss it publicly Mar 16 21:22:16 Adora: for the record, I don't blame you :) Mar 16 21:22:28 Adora the Teflon DevRel Engineer Mar 16 21:22:34 heh Mar 16 21:22:55 * Tibfib is writing an email to whatsapp today Mar 16 21:23:02 Adora: have you seen that petition? Mar 16 21:23:12 .....what petition? Mar 16 21:23:22 (I've been in meetings all day) Mar 16 21:23:28 some peeps on the p|c forums are making a "petition" to port whatsapp to webOS Mar 16 21:23:40 it's a bbm/kik/pingchat/beluga clone Mar 16 21:23:41 whats that? Mar 16 21:23:47 I want to make it for htem Mar 16 21:23:50 CHEAP Mar 16 21:24:13 CTLAdvance: yes Mar 16 21:24:32 2.1 is on Sprint Pre 2 Mar 16 21:25:05 I got it OTA on Sprint Pre 2.0.1 Mar 16 21:25:09 2.1 is on my Pre- :D Mar 16 21:25:18 haha Mar 16 21:25:30 Tibfib: link? Mar 16 21:25:33 lemme find it Mar 16 21:25:40 it was on twitter Mar 16 21:26:01 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2907363#post2907363 Mar 16 21:26:27 oh, anybody that is using identi.ca and wants to follow me, I got @sugardave there as opposed to @sugar_dave Mar 16 21:26:57 that would be a nice first project for the ninja team HP supposedly has to help developers make webOS apps... Mar 16 21:27:01 @ Adora Mar 16 21:27:06 rsanchez1_: NO Mar 16 21:27:10 ;) Mar 16 21:27:12 I wanna make it Mar 16 21:27:13 haha Mar 16 21:27:24 help the ninja team make it? Mar 16 21:27:38 I want to make a bbm app SO MUCH. I just don't want to do the server stuff Mar 16 21:27:45 it would give them experience working with devs at least Mar 16 21:27:57 Tibfib: got that link in my queue, gotta churn though some email before I dive in Mar 16 21:28:06 Adora: alrighty! Mar 16 21:28:29 * dkirker steals Adora's queue Mar 16 21:28:41 hey Adora Mar 16 21:29:09 * Loudergood watches dkirker get buried under flaming emails Mar 16 21:29:15 tehehe Mar 16 21:30:56 Haha Mar 16 21:31:20 dkirker: you going to be around for a while? I'll cook up that Universe mock I was mentioning Mar 16 21:31:46 SineOt: All day :) I think. May go grocery shopping in ~3 hours. Mar 16 21:31:59 awwwwyisss, grocery shopping :] Mar 16 21:32:21 Time to figure out why/how my user folder has ballooned to 218GB Mar 16 21:35:04 that github formatting drives me crazy. i am using spaces and it's definetly wrong/different to my version Mar 16 21:40:14 Thunderbolt can't come fast enough u_u Mar 16 21:40:31 * SineOt copies over a few hundred gigs to the external... Waits like 3 hours to do so. :C Mar 16 21:42:02 heh, the drive probably isn't that fast either Mar 16 21:42:20 now large ssds with that stuff...maybe... Mar 16 21:43:04 Yeah, you'd probably hit the drive's speed limits but... at least you'd be hitting them Mar 16 21:43:24 The fact it basically gives you an external PCIe slot is pretty awesome too Mar 16 21:44:32 I never hit the limit of USB2 when copying stuff to my phone...annoys me Mar 16 21:44:59 but really, if they'd just been smart and designed ESATA with power then we wouldn't have this issue Mar 16 21:46:27 Yeah. But still, an external PCIe slot! Mar 16 21:46:37 Videocards! Magic! Who knows! Mar 16 21:46:41 haha Mar 16 21:46:52 I'm a firm believer in desktops Mar 16 21:47:02 so I tend to not like external parts Mar 16 21:47:10 * halfhalo already has an external PCIe slot Mar 16 21:47:42 because expresscard == x1 pcie Mar 16 21:47:48 I love me some portability Mar 16 21:48:02 so do I.. Mar 16 21:48:23 my desktop essentially doubles as a NAS for me Mar 16 21:48:34 literally, expresscard is electrically compatible with pcie cards. people use it for homemade video card enclosures all the time Mar 16 21:48:55 yeah...but they're 1x.... Mar 16 21:49:23 I think Thunderbolt gives you a 4x PCIe slot Mar 16 21:49:31 and there's no way that thunderbolt is going to provide enough power for a nice graphics card Mar 16 21:50:12 external psu is needed now for the pci video cards, but its usefull when at a desk and whatnot for ultralights Mar 16 21:50:32 * oil will worry about thunderbolt in 2013 when its actually in more then iproducts Mar 16 21:50:51 yeah it wont be a bad dock port replacement if it ever becomes anything other than the next firewire Mar 16 21:52:33 of course it'll take off for apple Mar 16 21:52:45 mac users seem to love external crap Mar 16 21:53:31 I know a few people with imacs that brag about how clean and neat everything looks then they pull out a USB hub and plug 100 things into it Mar 16 21:53:55 man, those people are just stupid Mar 16 21:54:22 I have my Mac Mini on top of my desk and just route all the cables underneath to the giant tower shaped hole to house the rest of the guts Mar 16 21:54:37 * Loudergood is a little edgy about mac users because he's in a class full of design majors who think fireworks means they know CSS and JS Mar 16 21:54:52 You get the clean and neat look and all the cables and crap that would have gone into making it a few times bigger get to hide under the desk where they belong Mar 16 21:54:57 wow, only one guy in final Jeopardy today Mar 16 21:55:07 lol Mar 16 21:55:24 then again I could just get that VESA mount and mount the Mini on the back of my monitor. :I Mar 16 21:56:15 that's tempting for sure Mar 16 21:56:33 of course then I'd have to root around behind my monitor to get at the power button Mar 16 21:56:44 just use standby Mar 16 21:56:45 That's my big complaint about the USB keyboards. No keyboard power button Mar 16 21:57:01 then I have this flashing heartbeat light glowing all night! D:< Mar 16 21:57:04 S3 is pretty damn efficient Mar 16 21:57:11 ah yes Mar 16 21:57:29 and some mystery green glow that emanates from the cooling ducts along the bottom edge Mar 16 21:57:39 the itx htpc I put in my bedroom I purposely disconnected the led for that Mar 16 21:57:40 no idea what it's from, I can only assume it's something on the motherboard Mar 16 21:57:44 SineOt: i've got my speakers mounted on my monitors using the vesa mount :) Mar 16 21:57:57 i built little arms that connect to it and hold them next to the monitor Mar 16 21:58:06 my monitor has built in speakers! Mar 16 21:58:17 a pair of 2W shittastic wastes of space :I Mar 16 21:58:24 at that point it's like why did they even bother Mar 16 21:58:26 so, really crappy speakers Mar 16 21:58:26 lol Mar 16 21:58:37 my Pixi sounds better than the speakers on this monitor Mar 16 21:58:49 my pre's speaker is deteriorating Mar 16 21:59:09 I am needing some help if anyone here has good experience with JSON encoding.. I'll paste my code via pastie: Mar 16 21:59:22 wth is JSON? Mar 16 21:59:44 JSON = Just Some Other Noodlything Mar 16 21:59:55 you have to enclose it in wet noodles, see { } Mar 16 22:00:04 ramen Mar 16 22:00:17 http://pastie.org/private/lputpbkyitdwpjjobomfka Mar 16 22:00:51 http://pastie.org/private/fqsjnpsfhch2iz8tzxe0aq Mar 16 22:00:53 exception below Mar 16 22:01:10 way over my head Mar 16 22:01:30 hmmm Mar 16 22:01:36 all I am trying to do is convert a domain class to something that I can push into a mongo table Mar 16 22:01:39 lol Loudergood Mar 16 22:01:39 where does 'def' come from? Mar 16 22:01:40 and mongo reads json Mar 16 22:01:47 not all mac users are clowns Mar 16 22:01:55 fireworks web known it alls Mar 16 22:02:01 oh I know Mar 16 22:02:01 know-it-alls* Mar 16 22:02:08 damn.. i'm in the wrong group :( Mar 16 22:02:09 sorry guys Mar 16 22:02:09 cavneb: print out lead, is that a value? Mar 16 22:02:11 but i take your point :) Mar 16 22:02:12 lol Mar 16 22:02:19 cavneb: haha Mar 16 22:02:20 my bad :( Mar 16 22:02:29 why cant the touchpad be out now Mar 16 22:02:32 they just give me so much crap when I pull out my thinkpad it's funny Mar 16 22:02:34 missus wants an ipad Mar 16 22:02:50 why because its not sleek aluminum? Mar 16 22:03:02 stinkpads are ace Mar 16 22:03:32 either dell or ibm always for laptops Mar 16 22:05:06 Thinkpads are like, massive ugly dinosaurs Mar 16 22:06:28 SineOt: http://i52.tinypic.com/2llg10x.png Mar 16 22:06:32 ignore dust :) Mar 16 22:06:57 I cried out in pain at seeing all that dust :[ Mar 16 22:07:03 but pretty cool either way Mar 16 22:07:10 meh, its all behind the monitors Mar 16 22:07:12 i never go back there, lol Mar 16 22:07:21 I think my speakers are a bit too large and unwieldy through to get a mount like that though Mar 16 22:07:25 SineOt: they are technically great. You can scratch them, and they'll still look good. Mar 16 22:07:48 technically great, yeah. They're built like tanks sure Mar 16 22:07:55 i didn't "get" that, i made it :) Mar 16 22:08:07 the problem is that they look like, well, tanks Mar 16 22:08:08 there is another one on the other monitor going to the other side Mar 16 22:08:32 and not the snazzy tanks, the like ugly 70's russian left over from WW2 kind Mar 16 22:08:44 okay, substitute "get" for "make" Mar 16 22:08:48 :) Mar 16 22:09:18 hax oil Mar 16 22:10:31 is it wrong that I'm really wishing that there was a file manager like iTunes? :I Mar 16 22:11:46 nope Mar 16 22:11:48 I want one too Mar 16 22:11:57 stupid mobile carriers and not wanting to let people run tcp servers on the networks Mar 16 22:12:03 rage Mar 16 22:14:03 re Mar 16 22:14:08 did I miss something? Mar 16 22:15:24 * Loudergood subscribes to the bits are bits school of network management Mar 16 22:16:51 Loudergood: well get yourself high up in one of the networks to make such decisions and let us know so we can switch :) Mar 16 22:17:02 no doubt Mar 16 22:17:03 haha Mar 16 22:17:13 callback url would be very nice Mar 16 22:20:58 so is everyone testing the new wirc version to see if it has that relaunch problem still???? Mar 16 22:20:59 sugardave: hmm, I thought people used to ssh to their pre's on sprint? Mar 16 22:21:33 I thought that was pixis Mar 16 22:21:49 and whether you can do it, vs if it's allowed Mar 16 22:22:29 I think my ISP has a no servers policy...but they don't block anything Mar 16 22:24:25 Any recent rumors on Pre3 availability date? Mar 16 22:24:38 "eventually" Mar 16 22:25:24 :( Mar 16 22:29:54 destinal-work: that is true, I used to do that Mar 16 22:30:06 dgathright: that generally means that palm says "This time we'll release it in a few weeks globally. And some 6 to 9 months later the device gets launched in the US. 6 months from that (or more) and you'll see the devices in Europe. Mar 16 22:30:26 destinal-work: I was talking with somebody at Dev Day about the feasibility of using node.js service to act as an http server so you do callback url for OAuth Mar 16 22:30:30 haha Mar 16 22:30:32 however, it may well be that HP does it right this time :) Mar 16 22:30:32 true Mar 16 22:30:50 The Pre2 launch was pretty wtf Mar 16 22:30:51 sugardave: and what was his response? Mar 16 22:30:53 and we talked about how that probably wasn't going to work as the carriers wouldn't allow it Mar 16 22:31:12 sugardave: I reccon that making apps for it will persuade them to allow it Mar 16 22:31:18 sugardave: why not? Mar 16 22:31:50 destinal-work: because they don't want to give people freedom Mar 16 22:31:53 sugardave: I mean running a service isn't the same as running a server Mar 16 22:31:59 destinal-work: I couldn't press him because then the Enyo talk was starting Mar 16 22:32:10 destinal-work: also, it's a tad more difficult to arrange traffic in that direction on mobile systems. Mar 16 22:32:14 lots of people who run IRC have an ident service that answers publically for instance Mar 16 22:32:58 madnificent: I'm able to bind to arbitrary ports on my sprint pre and connect to them.. Mar 16 22:33:03 the impression I got was that it wasn't going to work if you needed a remote server to try to callback to your phone's web server running on the carrier's IP netwrok Mar 16 22:33:08 wifi, sure Mar 16 22:33:15 sugardave: over EVDO Mar 16 22:33:39 destinal-work: well hell, sounds like it would work then :) Mar 16 22:33:55 but will it work on all of them? Mar 16 22:34:08 destinal-work: it can work, sure. But when you move between towers, it requires more cpu speed at the routers of your network Mar 16 22:34:33 in my use case, I only need it for one connection per app/user Mar 16 22:34:43 or until they expire the token Mar 16 22:34:56 madnificent: his idea should work fine at least on some carriers Mar 16 22:35:01 just enough time to get that damn access token/secret Mar 16 22:35:11 sugardave: probably until they realise they could've capped users on that feature. If you do it before that and people get used to it, then it shouldn't form a problem :) Mar 16 22:35:40 I know some carriers put mobile devices on a non-routable network, I think it was bell in CA that I saw did that Mar 16 22:35:48 destinal-work: sure, it probably works on most (all?) of them now... Mar 16 22:36:00 destinal-work: 'shit' Mar 16 22:36:13 now it becomes a question of finish getting this working without a callback url, or try to decipher service writing from a Pre 2 Mar 16 22:36:13 madnificent: anything anyone does for webos devices won't be a drop in the bucket for a carrier Mar 16 22:36:16 hmmm Mar 16 22:36:34 I think I will have to wait until 2.0 SDK is released and some docs on services can be had Mar 16 22:36:54 dkirker: ping pong ding dongggg http://cl.ly/1k3s3D2s2e0p3E3u080i Mar 16 22:36:57 sugardave: supposedly this week, but you'll notice I'm not betting on it Mar 16 22:37:10 too many broken promises, sadly Mar 16 22:37:13 hi SineOt Mar 16 22:37:30 I know, I hope that they saw I stuck my neck out for them yesterday and MAKE IT HAPPEN Mar 16 22:37:47 SineOt: interesting Mar 16 22:37:52 I like it Mar 16 22:38:08 dkirker: it's way rough but that's the general idea of what I've been saying Mar 16 22:38:21 SineOt: what in the world is that thing? Mar 16 22:38:35 destinal-work: magic Mar 16 22:38:52 Mojo is magic Mar 16 22:39:46 Mojo Magic! Mar 16 22:43:12 /nick MojoTheMagic Mar 16 22:48:04 why you guys not making any cool apps? Mar 16 22:48:49 we wait for you first Mar 16 22:48:53 i'm taking this class and here I am typing all the notes when this dude take out an iphone and takes a pic of the board Mar 16 22:49:09 the thing transcribed all the notes Mar 16 22:50:23 slimjim: do Apple allow code execution? That must be done server side (?) Mar 16 22:51:20 I have no idea man. I don't know anything about developing anything about that sort of thing. Accounting is my field. Mar 16 22:52:11 mgschu: what do you mean by "code execution" Mar 16 22:52:15 slimjim: first you need a better camera, I guess Mar 16 22:53:01 I can't say I ever saw an app that even used te camera Mar 16 22:53:24 the catalog is full of crap imo Mar 16 22:53:54 SineOt: parsing the image on the phone itself. I thought Apple had a very narrow vision of the code that could run on their phones Mar 16 22:54:15 is there a way of by passing the need for a pre to have a sim inserted? Mar 16 22:54:23 mgschu: uh, yeah. It's all just objective c, as long as you don't touch a private API anything goes Mar 16 22:54:50 SineOt: Oh, that's a lot more open than I thought it was Mar 16 22:54:54 camera data and running code against that doesn't use any private APIs so you can go hog wild Mar 16 22:55:08 a lot of people seem to think that it's super hardcore locked down, but it's not Mar 16 22:55:23 the only things super hardcore locked down are the private APIs which will get you the boot pretty quick Mar 16 22:55:43 but you shouldn't be using private apis in shipping catalog software anyways, as nice as they may be Mar 16 22:56:58 Draecos: yeah, you can make a doctor image that allows bypassing activation Mar 16 22:57:15 details are on the webos-internals wiki Mar 16 22:57:55 dont want to bypass activation Mar 16 22:58:12 just got my pre- out of the draw where its been gathering dust Mar 16 22:58:20 and the bugger wants a sim... Mar 16 22:58:25 you need to, otherwise it'll keep complaining about wanting a SIM Mar 16 22:58:34 pants Mar 16 22:58:37 Draecos: Can't activate without a network connection unless you bypass activation altogether Mar 16 22:58:46 bypassed activation lets you still log into a profile though Mar 16 22:58:47 its already activated though Mar 16 22:59:02 nm, will see if a payg o2 sim will work Mar 16 22:59:08 then you're good to go with the --wifi-only stuff Mar 16 22:59:11 prolly locked down to paym :( Mar 16 22:59:14 you'll get paid apps, whole nine yards Mar 16 22:59:37 i thought the location activation was a one time only thing? Mar 16 22:59:42 region locked forever? Mar 16 23:00:08 speaking of which, is there a reliable unlocker for these yet? Mar 16 23:00:34 Draecos: there is, nextgen. Had mine done about a year ago Mar 16 23:00:49 sw? Mar 16 23:00:51 well, rather-whatever it got activated on the first time you'll have access to with the metadoctor --wifi-only activation bypassed devices Mar 16 23:00:56 not hw like rebelsim Mar 16 23:00:57 yep. costs though Mar 16 23:01:06 boring Mar 16 23:01:24 http://www.nextgenserver.com/palm_pre_unlock.htm Mar 16 23:02:43 what's sprint nav's appId? Mar 16 23:03:22 hmmm ?10 isnt too bad Mar 16 23:03:38 still ?10 more than I wanted to pay. I thought webos was hackable to bit :P Mar 16 23:03:41 bits* Mar 16 23:04:00 nvm, found it Mar 16 23:06:35 Ok, has anyone dug into the new software manager? A rescan makes the dummy app show up in the launcher, but isn't seen by swmanager until I've restarted luna Mar 16 23:21:48 when I have one or two cards open i'm sometimes told MEMORY CRICIAL TOO MANY CARDS!!!!!!!!!!! Mar 16 23:21:51 wtf? Mar 16 23:22:01 how can pandora and gmail be taking up all of the memory Mar 16 23:22:20 WTF? Mar 16 23:22:30 because the device has too little memory? Mar 16 23:25:48 it happens on and off Mar 16 23:25:55 like if I try to use my phone "too fast" Mar 16 23:30:15 weird, I've had my phone for more than 6 months and I've never seen that Mar 16 23:31:00 * oil hates pandora on webos Mar 16 23:31:20 it wakes the screen whenever it changes songs Mar 16 23:31:28 causing random things to be tapped in my pocket Mar 16 23:31:34 * zsoc likes grooveshark on webos... er.. well.. likes how it /runs/ on webos.. the actual app is crap but it's the devs fault Mar 16 23:32:55 i've had it over 1.5 yrs Mar 16 23:33:12 tbh i'm thinking of ending my sprint contract and going to 'droid... Mar 16 23:33:18 this phone has been giving me more and more problems Mar 16 23:33:22 it's like the hardware is failing or something Mar 16 23:34:18 A 1.5 year old phone's hardware is failing? I've never seen that happen with any manufacturer before. Mar 16 23:34:27 It's a good thing people don't carry around their phones on them and use them more than any single other device they own. Mar 16 23:34:52 yeah, the Sprint Pres only have 256MB RAM. it's just not enough for the web renderer Mar 16 23:34:55 uh, my model M ibm keyboard is AS old as I am, and will probably out live me Mar 16 23:35:05 phones should do the same Mar 16 23:35:10 instead of being designed to fail Mar 16 23:35:49 I don't like how you cant unthumbs down/up something in pandora for webos Mar 16 23:35:59 if you accidently clicked thumbs down, too bad, you're never hearing that song again Mar 16 23:36:33 Yes, the Model M is truly an impressive piece of technology and electronics. So many functions/features. A very complicated chipset. Mar 16 23:37:14 those components aren't any more durable than the ones in a phone Mar 16 23:37:31 also, when pandora plays, sometimes the device gets *real* hot Mar 16 23:37:36 i mean like, border line burning Mar 16 23:37:52 the temperature this thing is approaching makes me worry the battery will catchfire/explode Mar 16 23:38:13 ShadeS: you know what components go into a Model M? some springs, some bits of metal wiring, and a tiny handful of chips Mar 16 23:38:30 ShadeS: you're an idiot if you're actually going to compare a Model M to a modern smart phone Mar 16 23:40:02 it's just these things seem to be designed to break upon impact, instantly Mar 16 23:40:06 or at least start malfunctioning Mar 16 23:40:11 all of my smartphones have been pretty sturdy... Mar 16 23:40:14 but even new, out of the box Mar 16 23:40:24 I get that heat issue when playing pandora and it's only intermittant Mar 16 23:40:30 sometimes the device stays room temperature Mar 16 23:40:47 it only seems to get hot if I try to do a lot of things and then it decides to fail/stop working Mar 16 23:40:50 or slow down to a crawl Mar 16 23:40:58 audio will start jittering, lag, skip Mar 16 23:41:03 well, I'd probably blame pandora :p Mar 16 23:41:06 there's a reason I quit using it Mar 16 23:41:18 how else am I suppose to get my music stream then? Mar 16 23:41:27 I've spent quite a time taloring that station Mar 16 23:41:33 I never need to thumbs down anything anymore Mar 16 23:41:39 and it still keeps putting new good music into the rotation Mar 16 23:43:22 is there a solution or is it just failware? Mar 16 23:51:59 does anyone know if there is a way to cache google maps on the pre? Mar 16 23:59:56 m0ngr31: I haven't seen it come along yet, but I'm not the best source Mar 17 00:14:18 weird Mar 17 00:14:24 my pre just said that my aim acct has an invalid password Mar 17 00:14:30 so i tried signing out and back in, and it seems to be fine Mar 17 00:14:36 should i be worried about a security breach? Mar 17 00:14:37 lol Mar 17 00:15:42 just be worried about AIM sucking Mar 17 00:16:58 ;) Mar 17 00:17:26 in all seriousness though, I think I might need to get this replaced Mar 17 00:17:29 it had some damage to it' Mar 17 00:17:33 and they've fixed some of the damaged things Mar 17 00:17:39 but like the physical exterior is also cracked Mar 17 00:17:47 they just don't wnat to hand me a new phone even though I pay insurance Mar 17 00:30:34 ShadeS: it happened to me with other accounts as well. I doubt you're in danger Mar 17 00:31:24 yay, built some more improvements for the tasks app Mar 17 00:51:06 * madnificent created a google group for tasks@hand :) Mar 17 01:36:49 ahm, could it be that palm doesn't really read the mail you send them for the pre2 ? Mar 17 01:43:48 madnificent: nice name Mar 17 02:01:13 madnificent: they totally dont Mar 17 02:01:16 i was a dick in mine Mar 17 02:25:33 Boom! First message sent with tablet version of (Mojo?) Messenger! Mar 17 02:29:29 Tibfib: on a tablet? Mar 17 02:29:38 on chrome :) Mar 17 02:30:57 evening folks :) Mar 17 02:36:56 yo PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 17 02:36:57 wait Mar 17 02:37:03 you didnt get your pre2 yet did you Mar 17 02:37:09 yep :) Mar 17 02:37:11 yesterday Mar 17 02:37:16 totally unnanounced Mar 17 02:37:18 what the fuck Mar 17 02:37:19 lol Mar 17 02:37:28 hehe Mar 17 02:37:36 WHERES MINE Mar 17 02:39:23 haeffb: a friend of mine made it up. I'll tell him! :) Mar 17 02:39:25 thanks Mar 17 02:40:09 madnificent: thanks for the invite :) Mar 17 02:40:11 accepted Mar 17 02:41:07 * haeffb didn't get no stinkin' invite Mar 17 02:41:50 * Tibfib wonders what we're talking about Mar 17 02:43:36 ...somebody's handing out invites to a google group for beta testing a tasks app... Mar 17 02:43:45 why I never... Mar 17 02:43:45 tasks app? Mar 17 02:43:49 I love task apps. Mar 17 02:43:57 ah Mar 17 02:44:05 Like, seriously. Invite please? Mar 17 02:44:29 PatrickC_Pre2: you're most welcome. I've made some changes already :) Mar 17 02:44:33 haeffb: you did!!! Mar 17 02:44:47 haeffb: how can you not have? I entered you as first and double-checked your address :P Mar 17 02:45:26 anyone that hasn't gotten an invite and would like one, /msg me your email address or drop my name and your email address here. Mar 17 02:45:33 Oh, look. There's an email. Mar 17 02:45:37 haeffb: I'll send you an other one in a few minutes Mar 17 02:45:40 ah, ok :D Mar 17 02:47:05 * haeffb is avoiding installing Chrome 10 Mar 17 02:48:41 why> Mar 17 02:48:42 ? Mar 17 02:50:43 ares doesn't run in 10? Mar 17 02:52:47 i thought chrome updates were automatic? Mar 17 02:54:30 oh Mar 17 02:54:34 you've been using ares? Mar 17 02:55:26 madnificent: I didn't see a new version Mar 17 02:58:47 dkirker: if you want me to, I can further explore that mockup I did earlier. If not, then well :] Mar 17 02:59:14 If you'd like to further explore it. I kind of like my "comet" progress bar, though. :) Mar 17 02:59:34 If you stick with that, fix it so it doesn't cut off the bottom 1-2 pixels ;3 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 17 02:59:57 2011