**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 02:59:57 2011 Mar 20 03:00:03 ctbeiser: wise Mar 20 03:00:23 http://db.tt/494XMiq stupid but I like it Mar 20 03:00:36 also, none of what we say is meant to be taken personally...just critique to help you make it better. Use or discard as you see fit. Mar 20 03:01:07 haeffb: I can place it, I prefer it this way tbh. People saying "it works" isn't really helping me forward Mar 20 03:01:19 right Mar 20 03:01:38 More nitpicking: sliding off a task feels like just deleting it, not having the satisfaction of having done it, and is easy to do accidentally; I'd add checkboxes, and standard "delete/cancel" buttons on sliding it off. Mar 20 03:01:45 pressing a new task button isn't a problem. It's how I do it in Done! and Noted! and Myles and.... Mar 20 03:02:07 myles?! yet another one?! :P Mar 20 03:02:14 swiping list items is, by Palm UI Guidelines, for delete Mar 20 03:02:18 haeffb: are you the sole producer of tasks apps? :P ^_^ Mar 20 03:02:27 myles isn't a tasks app Mar 20 03:02:44 As a user of The Hit List, I see it as a problem; I'd rather have it be something where I don't need the button. Mar 20 03:03:04 there's a distinction I tried to make with deleting. A delete requires you to explicitly delete it. By sliding it away, you 'delete' it from that list, which is a list showing you your active tasks. As such, you must've finished it. Mar 20 03:03:14 Done! allows "Just Type" within the app Mar 20 03:03:26 haeffb: for which feature? Mar 20 03:03:31 * madnificent would like to have searches that way some day Mar 20 03:03:32 search/add Mar 20 03:03:53 Done does both. search until you hit "enter" then add Mar 20 03:04:00 hey guys Mar 20 03:04:04 i'm trying to do an openal program Mar 20 03:04:10 That said, I'm a bit of a fantatic when it comes to GTD UI; I'm using a Mac just because I can't get anything done with any program other than The Hit List or Things. Mar 20 03:04:11 which, if I may say, is an awesome way to handle it Mar 20 03:04:12 haeffb: that's briliant! I'm not allowed to steal that idea, I guess Mar 20 03:04:42 Come to think of it, a quick action to add an action would be amazingly great. Mar 20 03:04:44 nah, go ahead. I'm not possessive of ideas Mar 20 03:04:46 but code::blocks is giving me a pita Mar 20 03:04:52 so i'm trying m$compiler Mar 20 03:04:58 ctbeiser: "a quick action to add an action"? Mar 20 03:05:19 ctbeiser: Done and Noted will both have QA's under 2.x Mar 20 03:05:22 haeffb: will still take me a year to free up time for doing it :) Mar 20 03:05:40 Quick actions are the things in just type like New Message. Mar 20 03:05:56 like universal search Mar 20 03:06:14 ctbeiser: that's your inbox Mar 20 03:06:32 madnificent: this is from webOS card view, NOT from within your app Mar 20 03:06:34 ctbeiser: that's essential to GTD btw :) things that aren't written down completely go there. Mar 20 03:06:42 haeffb: ? Mar 20 03:06:47 Quick Actions Mar 20 03:06:51 in 2.x Mar 20 03:07:01 haeffb: oh, I won't support 2.x yet Mar 20 03:07:01 like universal search in 1.x Mar 20 03:07:20 yeah, but think about how awesome it is... :) Mar 20 03:07:23 madnificent: http://db.tt/494XMiq Mar 20 03:07:29 haeffb: that's an awesome feature yeah1 Mar 20 03:07:32 ! Mar 20 03:07:49 I open my phone, start typing without having Done! running. up pops a list of apps. tap Done! and a new task is created. Mar 20 03:08:32 anyway, getting off the subject Mar 20 03:08:44 I'm tired :( Mar 20 03:08:48 haeffb: that's really really cool, if palm gives me a pre2, it'll get in! Mar 20 03:08:55 hope you like the outcome.. Mar 20 03:09:01 I tapped new task, entered a title, swiped back and... nothing shows up. Mar 20 03:09:09 frustrating Mar 20 03:09:15 where'd my task go? Mar 20 03:09:30 (it's because I didn't enter a context) Mar 20 03:09:32 thomaschaaf: shows the icon now Mar 20 03:09:45 (but I'm a new user and don't know that I have to enter a context) Mar 20 03:09:48 haeffb: yeah, perhaps a note on the bottom informing you about that? Mar 20 03:10:03 how about defaulting to one of the contexts Mar 20 03:10:08 * madnificent seems te prefer users to be efficient instead of having a low learning curve Mar 20 03:10:20 haeffb: no, that'll ruin the normal usecase Mar 20 03:10:35 perhaps I could do something like that for the first few tasks... Mar 20 03:10:37 so, I hit New Task again Mar 20 03:10:45 FYI, I almost certainly won't actually be using GTD on my phone for the present, because I'm tied to The Hit List. The closest I'll get is writing myself an app that create tasks via Applescript. Mar 20 03:10:56 and down at the bottom of the scene is a "Contexts" group Mar 20 03:11:32 I tap that Mar 20 03:11:34 madnificent: tomorrow I will add some more fall back like when no gps is there or no internet Mar 20 03:11:55 then I get something that says "Add context" Mar 20 03:11:57 I tap that Mar 20 03:11:58 thomaschaaf: cool, /msg me if you want me to try it out :) Mar 20 03:11:58 then I will post it for minimun price in app catalog and free in web distribution Mar 20 03:12:21 now, there's a list of contexts Mar 20 03:12:30 I tap one. it takes me to edit context Mar 20 03:12:33 sigh. Mar 20 03:12:39 I will be so angry in a couple hours Mar 20 03:13:55 thomaschaaf: why angry? Mar 20 03:14:07 haeffb: it's 4:!1 Mar 20 03:14:10 4:11 am Mar 20 03:14:18 oh. right. Mar 20 03:14:24 you should get some sleep Mar 20 03:14:26 I will get woken at around 9.. Mar 20 03:14:32 ugh. Mar 20 03:14:55 * haeffb slept from 3am to 6am a couple of days ago - in a hospital waiting room Mar 20 03:15:01 was not a good day the next day Mar 20 03:15:22 madnificent: did you follow what I was doing above? Mar 20 03:15:54 sorry, what did I miss? Mar 20 03:16:00 haeffb: I received to I tap one. it takes me to edit context Mar 20 03:16:03 (not the best moment to loose the connection) Mar 20 03:16:16 then I said "sigh" Mar 20 03:16:19 I swipe back and tap more carefully Mar 20 03:16:32 and tap all the contexts Mar 20 03:16:46 then swipe back to Quick View and I see my task. twice. Mar 20 03:17:05 * madnificent replied to that: "I don't know how to fix that box issue. many people do it wrong, but I often go to the edit context to see which other tasks belong to it. Mar 20 03:17:19 twice? Mar 20 03:17:20 SineOt meet Tibfib Mar 20 03:17:27 Tibfib meet SineOt Mar 20 03:17:30 hello Tibfib! Nice to meet you Mar 20 03:17:45 twice, since I selected two contexts Mar 20 03:17:49 ah right Mar 20 03:17:55 SineOt: hi! ? Mar 20 03:17:57 haeffb: the meaning of that wasn't clear to you? Mar 20 03:18:11 well it is...I'm just not sure it's "right" Mar 20 03:18:16 for me anyway Mar 20 03:18:28 SineOt: nice to formally meet you I guess :) Mar 20 03:18:49 haeffb: you'd want a list of tasks for which you have all the needed contexts? Mar 20 03:19:04 To me, the task is singular Mar 20 03:19:05 oh cool apps got approved today Mar 20 03:19:12 yes, yes indeed Tibfib Mar 20 03:19:25 oh, wait... Mar 20 03:19:30 oil meet SineOt Mar 20 03:19:36 SineOt meet oil Mar 20 03:19:44 * oil figured out that he has to do it Mar 20 03:19:44 nevermind all that Tibfib stuff Mar 20 03:19:46 hello oil Mar 20 03:20:01 haeffb: you find it confusing that it can be part of two contexts... Mar 20 03:20:18 * thomaschaaf is going to bed Mar 20 03:20:22 goodnight thomaschaaf Mar 20 03:20:28 no, that part is fine. I suppose it's that I don't need to see it in two separate lists Mar 20 03:20:30 * madnificent is going to bed soon as well Mar 20 03:20:35 * thomaschaaf will enjoy every second of it Mar 20 03:20:56 if my Quick View is showing two or three or four contexts, I'd still expect it to only show a task once Mar 20 03:21:23 I'm at Office and with a Computer and a Phone Mar 20 03:21:36 show me (one) list of tasks that can be done in those contexts Mar 20 03:21:57 don't show me three lists Mar 20 03:22:02 I don't know... I need to think about that longer. I enjoy the current view a lot. Mar 20 03:22:06 with the same task repeated three times Mar 20 03:22:29 perhaps a joined list, the way deadlines show up Mar 20 03:22:36 again, just stating how I'd expect it to work. If your way works better for you... Mar 20 03:22:48 dangit kstate. Mar 20 03:22:52 yeah, I like your ideas, they're really constructive Mar 20 03:23:05 and consistent Mar 20 03:24:01 haeffb: would you feel it was 'ok' if there was a group (like the contexts are now) showing all your current tasks? Mar 20 03:24:25 and then the tasks per context below that? Mar 20 03:24:31 or would that be too much clutter? Mar 20 03:25:21 a group that showed ---@Office, @Computer, @Phone--- Mar 20 03:25:35 and a list of tasks inside that group? Mar 20 03:25:47 and the ---@Office--- Mar 20 03:25:52 and just cut it off when it becomes to loo long Mar 20 03:25:54 ---@Computer--- Mar 20 03:26:03 with .d.o.t.z. Mar 20 03:26:27 yeah, maybe Mar 20 03:26:34 I like that Mar 20 03:26:41 I might actually use that Mar 20 03:26:54 One more suggestion: Instead of having the name and context seperate, what if you could just type in "Call suzie @phone" and have "Call suzie" added to @ phone? Mar 20 03:27:28 ctbeiser: that would be a great feature... ;) Mar 20 03:27:39 Optimally, it would also have natural date parsing too, so you could type "Call suzie @phone by tomorrow" and have it entered as having a deadline on tomorrow. Mar 20 03:27:43 to be used in an as yet to be named tasks app Mar 20 03:27:52 ctbeiser: not all contexts are @something though Mar 20 03:28:11 it would be awesome though Mar 20 03:29:08 ctbeiser: don't expect it soon, it'd take me too much time. But I'd use that feature Mar 20 03:29:09 The awesome app I use has two kinds of context, contexts, which use an @, for location, and /, for tags, which are other things. I'd rather it use # though, because that's what I associate it with tags. Mar 20 03:30:04 * madnificent thinks a context could be more than location *or* tag, it's hard to find the differences Mar 20 03:30:12 GTD on smartphones is far from thought-out :) Mar 20 03:33:52 madnificent: I'm going to have to get some zzzz's soon. I'll leave one last thought for tonight... Mar 20 03:35:12 haeffb: good! I felt kind-of bad for having to leave. Mar 20 03:35:38 I can see where you're going with the app, but my feeling is that it's not "user friendly" enough for most users in it's current form. Not trying to be overly critical, but my guess is that most people would get frustrated and give up. Mar 20 03:36:26 haeffb: do you think a video walkthrough would help there? Mar 20 03:36:37 hay all Mar 20 03:36:44 what's up madnificent? Mar 20 03:36:58 truthfully - how many webOS apps have you gone through a video walkthrough to be able to use? Mar 20 03:37:24 I don't think I've ever went thru a video walkthrough Mar 20 03:37:32 PatrickC_Pre: I've been covered with shitloads of totally unjust comments about my perfectly userfriendly app that no one even dares to understand ^_^ Mar 20 03:37:33 and how many would you purchase if they said "hey, wait. Before you use this, study this video" Mar 20 03:37:49 madnificent: I'd suggest you go and read "The Design of Everyday Things". Mar 20 03:37:51 haeffb: well, I did it for the demo of outline tracker Mar 20 03:37:59 ctbeiser: I actually read that :) Mar 20 03:38:02 ctbeiser: I disagree Mar 20 03:38:29 thing is: I think that we're doing the complete opposite of what we should be doing with computers. A 0-learning-curve is probably not what gets you forward Mar 20 03:38:42 look at emacs, it has a high learning curve, but it's good. Or dvorak, for that matter. Mar 20 03:38:57 haeffb: I agree though, I understand Mar 20 03:39:08 PatrickC_Pre2: showoff :P Mar 20 03:40:08 How? Lol Mar 20 03:40:19 I'd disagree. I'd say that the challenge is in making things that are both fantastic and intuitive. I for one will use unintuitive apps, but not badly designed ones. There's a fine line between making an app for power users and making one that's just plain hard to use for the sake of being hard to use. Mar 20 03:40:31 madnificent: which, again, is why I said..."it will take me some time to get used to your workflow..." Mar 20 03:40:53 * SineOt slathers ctbeiser in gold stickers. "Well said" Mar 20 03:41:29 ctbeiser: this isn't plain hard to use. I wouldn't use it otherwise. But feel free to disagree. It's not the app you have on your mac, I'll not build it that way ;). Mar 20 03:42:32 SineOt: we should make those :D Mar 20 03:42:48 madnificent: what's this discussion all about? Mar 20 03:42:53 tasks@hand Mar 20 03:42:56 tasks@hand Mar 20 03:43:05 ah ok Mar 20 03:43:07 we're providing "constructive criticism" Mar 20 03:43:15 just update it a few min ago Mar 20 03:43:19 and good one at that :) Mar 20 03:43:58 Updating the Pre2's version now Mar 20 03:44:10 Anyone else receive a pre2 yesterday? Mar 20 03:44:22 yeah, I got two dozen yesterday Mar 20 03:44:36 Yeah right :p Mar 20 03:44:48 two cases of Pre2's Mar 20 03:44:56 How? Mar 20 03:45:27 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes he got that many Mar 20 03:45:27 you got 2 dozen pre2s ? Mar 20 03:45:42 haeffb: i heard the screen sucks Mar 20 03:45:44 PatrickC_Pre2: comments are highly appreciate,d but it's 4:40 am now, I'm heading to bed :) Mar 20 03:46:05 I mean, if you'd like to make a GTD app that works syntactically; I'd go with a command prompt with the options "n +(context goes here) -(duedate goes here) -p "person" -sub"(in here goes the content of a subitem, with the same syntax as a top level one)"", and "l" which would list them based on options.. Mar 20 03:46:05 haeffb is a power user :P Epic multitasking Mar 20 03:46:07 :P Mar 20 03:46:11 the screen is kind of awesome to be honest Mar 20 03:46:22 the color balance is nice, white point is lower and I love that Mar 20 03:46:25 The screen is amazing Mar 20 03:46:28 * haeffb LOVES my sprint Pre2 Mar 20 03:46:33 And it doesn't scratch :p Mar 20 03:46:40 What does one do with 24 Pre2s? Mar 20 03:46:50 I'd just love to see f.lux built into webOS Mar 20 03:46:56 * PatrickC_Pre2 LOVES his unlocked (not used :( ) pre2! Mar 20 03:47:14 PatrickC_Pre2: aren't you on your pre2 ? Mar 20 03:47:20 Yep Mar 20 03:47:23 ctbeiser: I have no use for them. Will likely throw them in the trash tomorrow. Mar 20 03:47:27 I meant "not activated" Mar 20 03:47:30 XD Mar 20 03:47:48 * PatrickC_Pre2 stakes out haeffb's house for the discarded pre2's Mar 20 03:47:52 wait. I meant to say "I got zero yesterday" Mar 20 03:48:02 lol Mar 20 03:48:05 s/two dozen/zero/ Mar 20 03:48:16 Lol Mar 20 03:48:48 Madnificent: you still here? Mar 20 03:48:57 PatrickC_Pre2: barely, but yes :) Mar 20 03:49:12 Is the *help* button suppose to work? Mar 20 03:49:14 Lol Mar 20 03:49:29 PatrickC_Pre2: no, but you searching for it gave me another type of user :) Mar 20 03:49:36 i just removed my google account / the google account has all contacts .. i want to reload my contacts from gmail .. i opened cotacts and all contacts are still there .. how can i rm all contacts ? Mar 20 03:49:53 Try restarting? Mar 20 03:50:00 PatrickC_Pre2: not a single user tried to press it so far... but help for users is needed Mar 20 03:50:07 Lol Mar 20 03:50:19 ctbeiser: as in device info reset or just turning off and on ? Mar 20 03:50:21 I try to test *all* buttons :p Mar 20 03:50:32 Just on and off. Mar 20 03:50:46 Im still trying to figure out how to use it :p Mar 20 03:51:30 PatrickC_Pre2: I could probably give a walkthrough tomorrow or so. If you want to try it out, please log what you experience. I'll do my best to respond to it soon. I'm going to bed now, otherwise I won't be able to eat noon tomorow Mar 20 03:51:46 Lol Mar 20 03:51:48 Ok nite Mar 20 03:51:53 thanks Mar 20 03:52:04 don't throw your pre out of the window because the app doesn't seem to listen! Mar 20 03:52:04 Lumberjack sure has a lot to say about the app :p Mar 20 03:52:27 * PatrickC_Pre2 tried that already.. Didn't solve anything Mar 20 03:52:40 PatrickC_Pre2: lower the info level, it slows the app down horribly Mar 20 03:52:44 it's all my debugging output :P Mar 20 03:52:50 (j/k) Mar 20 03:52:52 Ok Mar 20 03:52:56 Will try that Mar 20 03:52:57 all contacts are thre .. i just rset device Mar 20 03:53:03 Good Mar 20 03:53:12 you _can_ see it if you want. It's not ashaming, but it's a bit useless :) Mar 20 03:53:38 knwo what Mar 20 03:53:42 there all facebook contacts Mar 20 03:53:47 s/knwo/know/ Mar 20 03:53:53 Check the contact Mar 20 03:54:03 What is the default contact for the person Mar 20 03:54:08 And what is the default account? Mar 20 03:54:29 Anyone had any luck with this? -> http://m.precentral.net/share-your-app-ideas-website-developers-find-and-create Mar 20 04:00:06 Nite guys Mar 20 04:00:12 I'll be on sometime tomorrow Mar 20 04:02:53 I wish the internet could replicate smell and taste, especially smell." I second that suggestion. I wonder what PreCentral tastes like? Mar 20 04:03:06 bitter regret, despair and near hatred for HP. Mar 20 04:03:20 Oreo. Mar 20 04:03:39 nighty-night, folks! Mar 20 04:06:41 goodnight Mar 20 04:23:13 tags > strict folders Mar 20 04:23:32 I wish that's how music tags worked. Mar 20 04:23:50 so I can get mashups to show up under an artist Mar 20 04:24:31 also, the dev forums would benefit from tags Mar 20 04:30:47 The dev forums would benefit from not sucking. :/ Mar 20 04:31:03 I don't know what forum software they're using (it looks like PHPbb) but it's pretty awful Mar 20 04:33:04 I need me another touchstone :p Mar 20 04:33:17 so I can vertically mount all three devices Mar 20 04:33:55 I'm considering getting a second one, which'll be located on my bedside table; ten feet away from my desk mounted one... Mar 20 04:35:12 I wouldn't want a bedside one. The screen being on is just bright bright enough to be annoying. Mar 20 04:35:39 I just turn the data connection off when I go to bed, battery only drops like 4-5% Mar 20 04:35:57 2.0 you can click the power button and the screen turns off. :) Mar 20 04:36:01 *2.1 Mar 20 04:36:04 yeah Mar 20 04:36:12 doesn't it flip back on after like 10 minutes? Mar 20 04:36:15 My Pixi does that Mar 20 04:36:18 that feature is under-appreciated xD Mar 20 04:36:30 Only if it's not on the stand right. Mar 20 04:36:36 oil: heheh I like it too Mar 20 04:36:41 Hmm. Hmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmmm. Mar 20 04:37:14 HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Mar 20 04:37:19 Hum. Mar 20 04:59:05 I wonder if pre 3 has a software keyboard Mar 20 04:59:46 don't think so no Mar 20 04:59:59 you can install the webosinternals virtual keyboard Mar 20 05:00:04 That sucks Mar 20 05:00:12 the demo they gave at the Feb 9th event, he was saying that if a device has a hardware keyboard they won't ship a software keyboard on it Mar 20 05:00:27 I found that to be terrible Mar 20 05:00:34 Whyso? Mar 20 05:00:51 oh norton gray didnt say that to me Mar 20 05:00:57 he was an awesome demoer Mar 20 05:01:12 but makes sense Mar 20 05:01:18 yeah, the demoer I was watching was pretty awesome Mar 20 05:01:32 and it makes sense to not bother with a software keyboard when you've got a hardware one sitting right there Mar 20 05:01:37 just got back from a webosinternals meetup w/ rod, adora, some hp dudes and others Mar 20 05:01:46 agreed Mar 20 05:01:48 Slow and buggy. Thought they would include a keyboard since they up the screen size Mar 20 05:02:10 what's slow and buggy? :p Mar 20 05:02:44 The keyboard that was in preware that I tried. Mar 20 05:02:55 the one on 2.0? Mar 20 05:03:15 because if so, that's the Palm one :p Mar 20 05:03:21 Good to have a software keyboard so you don't have to keep flipping back and forth when in landscape Mar 20 05:03:57 Tibfib: you know that fix hasn't been pushed yet, right? Mar 20 05:04:01 (for preware that is) Mar 20 05:04:01 I don't have 2.0 just an old pre that I plan to get rid of soon Mar 20 05:04:15 oil: shmeh Mar 20 05:04:23 Pre - Mar 20 05:04:41 walker123: so it was the one where you had to double tap the gesture area to get it to launch? Mar 20 05:07:29 oil: get on that Mar 20 05:07:35 and emailing logs in lumberjack dangit Mar 20 05:07:44 lol Mar 20 05:07:51 I cannot remember the details. This was a while back Mar 20 05:08:00 goodnight everyone (except only a decent night to oil) Mar 20 05:08:03 it's better now Mar 20 05:08:07 :/ Mar 20 05:08:22 decent's not bad Mar 20 05:08:32 i hope you sleep like crap :) Mar 20 05:08:39 wake up with a creek in your neck Mar 20 05:08:43 and one arm asleep Mar 20 05:08:44 hahaha Mar 20 05:08:51 I take it he's been working on the wIRC help? P: Mar 20 05:08:55 byeee Mar 20 05:09:11 * oil has Mar 20 05:11:10 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blob_plain;f=app/models/help.js;hb=HEAD Mar 20 05:11:12 almost all done Mar 20 05:11:12 With webos 2.1 does that mean the only irc client will be included in the app catalog? Mar 20 05:11:38 wirc will be in the catalog when i submit it Mar 20 05:11:42 but itl still be in preware Mar 20 05:12:08 So with 2.1 it can be submitted? Mar 20 05:12:17 yeah Mar 20 05:12:55 But someone that has a pre - with 1.4 wouldn't be able to install it? Mar 20 05:13:06 in the catalog itl be limited to 2.1 and up Mar 20 05:13:42 so you just install 2.1 on the Pre- ;_ Mar 20 05:14:28 I use and need sprint navigator. Heard it has other bugs also Mar 20 05:16:02 if a 2.1 dr gets stuck at activation n first use can a 1.4.5 dr be done? any idea why my 1.4.5 dr with first use disabled still ran first use? had to luna start wifi from novaterm when I did the 1.4.5 sprint... Mar 20 05:17:01 considering 2.1 tonight on this inactive device. don't wanna hassel with first use though. Mar 20 05:17:38 Meta doctor it with the --wifi-only flag Mar 20 05:18:20 can you use that switch with the old 'normal' make roms? Mar 20 05:18:57 I used it on the 2.1 but not 1.4.5 maybe my problem? Mar 20 05:19:18 for that, the wifi only flag basically just sets four flags Mar 20 05:20:05 in your make file set it to skip activation and skip first use Mar 20 05:20:15 4 from the makefile? which 4? Mar 20 05:20:45 I did that. didn't work it seems... on 1.4.5 sprint Mar 20 05:20:47 if you open the script, it says Mar 20 05:20:54 kk Mar 20 05:21:38 any idea whan is needed from the media drive aside from 'saverestore' folder to resport app prefs? Mar 20 05:21:48 I think it's skip activation, skip first use, disable upload daemon, disable modem update, and something else I think Mar 20 05:22:36 k. I'll check in out again. know anything bout saverestore? Mar 20 05:23:13 is saverestore palm profile dependent? Mar 20 05:23:32 save/restore is outside of everything Mar 20 05:24:24 want to restore preware saved list n prefs but the app doent appear to see my saved stuff. :( Mar 20 05:25:03 I restored the 'saverestore' folder. do I need to rescan media? Mar 20 05:25:20 what am I missing? Mar 20 05:31:01 is optware working in 2.1? bropbear? Mar 20 05:35:04 whats the best app tool to upload a pic .. then i can get teh link of the post ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 06:06:09 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 06:06:31 2011 Mar 20 06:29:16 http://m.precentral.net/richard-kerris-lifts-veil-dev-relations-and-nda-2-0 Mar 20 06:29:28 ? Mar 20 06:33:07 joebpre: old news, already released Mar 20 08:59:25 rwhitby-pre: still on the runway? Mar 20 08:59:34 yep Mar 20 08:59:46 the wind was pretty bad earlier :/ Mar 20 08:59:47 safe trip home Mar 20 08:59:55 luckily, the in-flight movies are running. Mar 20 09:00:00 that is good Mar 20 09:00:25 lol Mar 20 09:00:34 they say at least another hour waiting on taxiway before any possibility of taking off, maybe longer. Mar 20 09:01:23 and I only have 15MB left on data plan Mar 20 09:01:41 :( Mar 20 09:01:52 AT&T prepaid? Mar 20 09:02:15 at least they have lots of previous oscar winning movies loaded this month, and it's movies on demand. Mar 20 09:02:27 roaming data from home Mar 20 09:02:31 ah Mar 20 09:03:08 Just watched all of 127 Hours while taxiing. Mar 20 09:05:25 they've shut down the engines for some time now, and now a tug has to pull us forward 20 metres cause we're blocking a taxiway behind us. Mar 20 09:06:38 I hope that the wind dies down soon... Mar 20 09:07:25 :/ Mar 20 09:24:59 rwhitby-pre was the us trip webos or realwork releated? Mar 20 09:25:11 realwork Mar 20 09:25:26 webos was a personal day on the end Mar 20 09:25:27 Hi All.. I am trying to write an APP on pre plus where i need to accept username/password of a remote server and authenticate him. how can i use telnet module from my app[if its installed!] Mar 20 09:25:38 cool, saw the image :) Mar 20 09:45:55 woohoo! plane is taxiing again ... Mar 20 09:46:14 gotta turn of the phone now Mar 20 09:46:29 heh Mar 20 10:00:57 guten morgen! Mar 20 10:01:02 good morning Mar 20 11:38:03 can some of you test my weather app? http://db.tt/494XMiq Mar 20 11:40:27 :( Mar 20 11:42:26 I'll give it another try once I've rebooted Mar 20 11:42:44 also features exhibition mode :) Mar 20 11:42:54 ooh very nice Mar 20 12:04:37 Loudergood: so? Mar 20 12:05:38 installing now Mar 20 12:06:45 do I need to restart anything after installing it? Mar 20 12:06:50 nope Mar 20 12:07:13 hmm...I'm not sure it likes me Mar 20 12:07:32 what is happening? Mar 20 12:07:40 does it stay on the umbrella? Mar 20 12:07:45 yes Mar 20 12:08:07 I get the request for location services and press allow and that's it Mar 20 12:08:39 okay hmm I guess that I haven't tested but you can set a location in the menu (Top, left) aswell Mar 20 12:09:00 "update location" ? Mar 20 12:09:23 yep Mar 20 12:09:48 I can see the title of the popup that comes up "change location" but nothing else Mar 20 12:10:19 hmm Mar 20 12:10:40 http://ares.palm.com/AresLog/ could you see if there is anything happening log wise? Mar 20 12:11:55 maybe it has to do with the english version I'll check in the emulator Mar 20 12:12:40 ooh I caught one Mar 20 12:13:10 de.komola.rainy Error: Error: Caught exception in _Dialog widget 'object' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'address' of undefined, palmInitFramework367:2569 Mar 20 12:13:19 when choosing update location Mar 20 12:14:25 de.komola.rainy Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'offsetHeight' of object, palmInitFramework367:6501 Mar 20 12:14:52 Loudergood: what os? Mar 20 12:15:08 2.1 on a verizon pre plus Mar 20 12:23:15 stupid emulator I don't understand the problem.. Mar 20 12:31:58 I get the same problem with my 2.1 pre2 Mar 20 12:32:48 hmm maybe it's an old version Mar 20 12:32:53 let me rebuild it Mar 20 12:33:12 download the version now and delete the other one Mar 20 12:33:15 beforehand Mar 20 12:34:14 well that's interesting...the temp did come up for the pre2 eventually Mar 20 12:34:35 there are a LOT of people at the airport this morning Mar 20 12:34:40