**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 22 02:59:57 2011 Mar 22 03:00:40 to do it with mojo would require canvas magic Mar 22 03:01:08 oil: I wonder if scorched earth 3d is any good http://www.scorched3d.co.uk/ Mar 22 03:01:36 every version ive played that isn't the old dos version hasn't lived up to my memory Mar 22 03:02:36 but you can find the dos version pretty easily on the internets Mar 22 03:03:44 gotta buy parachutes and gas and shields heh Mar 22 03:03:45 hmm Mar 22 03:03:55 I've considered making a scorched earth type game Mar 22 03:04:28 better be true to scorched earth! Mar 22 03:04:35 * Tibfib has never playeddd it Mar 22 03:04:49 omh Mar 22 03:04:51 g Mar 22 03:05:43 Quick question for anyone else that worked on Relego during the Hack-a-thon. What was the reason given for launching a card if all an app wanted to do was add a page? Mar 22 03:06:01 dkirker: that was a change to webos Mar 22 03:06:05 135 i think? Mar 22 03:06:25 dkirker: you HAVE to launch a card Mar 22 03:06:29 no other way to do it Mar 22 03:06:34 hmm Mar 22 03:06:36 whenever they brought in the stage loading thing Mar 22 03:06:42 it always shows Mar 22 03:06:51 even if you dont push a scene in your handlelaunch Mar 22 03:06:58 I suppose that the card would never go away if you didn't launch one Mar 22 03:06:59 or launch a stage Mar 22 03:07:03 dkirker: correct Mar 22 03:07:17 homebrew can get away with it Mar 22 03:07:23 by using a service and command line luna-send to launch Mar 22 03:07:34 yeah... I just have a customer bugging me about it. Ideally I'd love to just tell Relego "here, add this URL, but don't do anything about it." Mar 22 03:07:50 s/customer/tester/ Mar 22 03:08:01 we get away with it in govnah by allowing an app to do a service request which launches the app without spawning a stage Mar 22 03:08:27 dkirker: new version tonight? Mar 22 03:08:32 dkirker: tell them it is a limitation of webOS.. Mar 22 03:08:43 tis the truth. nothing you can do about it. Mar 22 03:08:48 yeah Mar 22 03:08:50 I am Mar 22 03:08:54 well Mar 22 03:09:03 he could push a node service to relego Mar 22 03:09:05 I was just hoping that I could go into Relego and not launch the card Mar 22 03:09:09 to handle the adding of the new url Mar 22 03:09:12 oil: psha Mar 22 03:09:14 w Mar 22 03:09:18 which wouldn't spawn a card because its a service Mar 22 03:09:22 yeah Mar 22 03:09:33 which isn't worth the effort imo Mar 22 03:09:33 maybe for Relego 2.0 :) Mar 22 03:09:39 doit! Mar 22 03:09:42 PatrickC_Pre2: planning on it. A few changes. Mar 22 03:09:55 more changes!! yay Mar 22 03:09:56 lol Mar 22 03:09:57 * oil may push new lumberjack tonight :) Mar 22 03:10:38 r u thinking of making an add to relego? Mar 22 03:10:50 Universe already supports that Mar 22 03:10:56 has for a looooong time Mar 22 03:11:09 oh yea.. i forgot.. :o Mar 22 03:11:36 I wish that this background check would hurry up and go through... Mar 22 03:11:47 for Palm? Mar 22 03:11:52 yes Mar 22 03:12:51 oil: with my request???????????? Mar 22 03:13:01 lol Mar 22 03:13:02 will u still be able to work on Universe when u work there? Mar 22 03:13:08 with a tool to prove which music app is fastest :) Mar 22 03:13:20 oil: ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Mar 22 03:13:33 Tibfib: patches welcome :) Mar 22 03:13:34 hehe Mar 22 03:13:36 PatrickC_Pre2: no idea. Still talking with people about that. If I have my way, and some other people have their way, very likely. Mar 22 03:13:42 oil: github bro Mar 22 03:13:48 awesome! Mar 22 03:13:53 git scares me... Mar 22 03:14:03 * oil always says that and nobody ever submits a patch Mar 22 03:14:23 oil: github bro. Mar 22 03:14:28 git scares me too Mar 22 03:14:29 meh Mar 22 03:14:39 our own hosted git > githib Mar 22 03:14:45 scared of git people.... UNITE!! :) Mar 22 03:15:14 oil: not for outside contributions. Mar 22 03:15:28 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs oil to set up his git Mar 22 03:15:29 * oil could have someone add your key to lumbo in like 5 seconds Mar 22 03:15:39 Tibfib: git clone, git format-patch. If someone is *serious* about submitting a patch, rather than just talking idly about it, they can easily do so. Mar 22 03:15:55 hahahahaha Mar 22 03:16:00 hay rwhitby Mar 22 03:16:06 rwhitby: nobody is ever serious about submitting a patch xD Mar 22 03:16:20 i think "patches welcome" has worked for us twice Mar 22 03:16:23 oil: Tibfib has contributed to stuff with funkatron. Mar 22 03:16:48 save/restore backgrounding, and halfhalos stacking thing i ended up rewriting for wirc Mar 22 03:17:02 derp Mar 22 03:17:13 * halfhalo whistles Mar 22 03:17:17 haha Mar 22 03:17:27 halfhalo did most of the work though Mar 22 03:17:38 i just refined it for wirc Mar 22 03:17:47 so I would say that anyone who is going to fork and contribute on github is equally capable of git clone and send patch from git.webos-internals.org Mar 22 03:18:11 * oil waits for Tibfibs patch for lumberjack :) Mar 22 03:18:20 and if someone is using "it's not on github" as an excuse for not sending a patch, then they weren't going to do it anyway. Mar 22 03:18:39 lol Mar 22 03:18:59 oil: it's coming you lazy boy Mar 22 03:18:59 now tibfib HAS to do it Mar 22 03:19:04 haha Mar 22 03:19:08 * rwhitby notes that the linux kernel is not on github ... Mar 22 03:19:20 and it seems to get a few contributions. Mar 22 03:19:26 rwhitby: follow question from yesterday regarding "provisioner" app - that is the app that updates MSID and MDN on phone? Mar 22 03:19:27 lazy? im adding stuff to lumberjack while doing wirc stuff Mar 22 03:19:42 oil: I started actually do it once rwhitby first chimed in Mar 22 03:19:46 doing* Mar 22 03:19:48 heh Mar 22 03:19:52 shamed into doing it Mar 22 03:20:00 haeffb: dunno. it does CDMA "stuff" Mar 22 03:20:00 lol Mar 22 03:20:00 how you going to implement it? :) Mar 22 03:20:02 * haeffb is lazy. sitting in the recliner, watching DVR'd stuff. Mar 22 03:20:06 but seriously, github makes me want to contribute more Mar 22 03:20:19 regardless of "ease". Mar 22 03:20:38 oh kay. I tried manually entering MSID and MDN but it wouldn't save. Mar 22 03:20:50 * PatrickC_Pre2 is lazy too... sitting in office chair on IRC Mar 22 03:21:01 Tibfib: im thinking the best way is to rename the copy from/to to something else Mar 22 03:21:02 more generic Mar 22 03:21:11 so, will be swapping comms board back to Pre- and activating on that. Mar 22 03:21:15 and when they've selected, give the option to copy or email Mar 22 03:21:22 oil: nah Mar 22 03:21:28 I'm adding an app menu item :) Mar 22 03:21:32 :/ Mar 22 03:21:37 Tibfib: yeah, I think that the "it's not hard for the kind of people who will actually do it" sort of argument is flawed. it assumes that people who can do something technical wouldn't prefer it to be easier or take one less step or be more integrated with whatever tool they already use Mar 22 03:21:39 scrolling from top to bottom is much more difficult imo Mar 22 03:21:39 ignore the patch request :) Mar 22 03:21:45 lol Mar 22 03:21:47 ok Mar 22 03:22:03 do it Mar 22 03:22:26 destinal: then it's just a matter of how important the patch or feature is to them. Mar 22 03:22:38 tibfib asks about it daily Mar 22 03:22:49 lol Mar 22 03:22:50 rwhitby: sure, but I'll take quality patches from someone to whom the patch is less important :) Mar 22 03:22:58 if the additional step of doing "git diff | mail" is too hard compared to the effort in creating the patch, you really need to question the desire to get the patch integrated. Mar 22 03:22:58 rwhitby: that ignores the potential benefit the patch could provide to the rest of the community Mar 22 03:23:23 haeffb: the patch is available to everyone in the git repo Mar 22 03:23:24 I'd like to be able to follow development easily on github Mar 22 03:23:50 not if it never gets there because the potential patcher doesn't know "git diff | mail" Mar 22 03:24:02 not that I have a dog in this fight... Mar 22 03:24:10 lol Mar 22 03:24:33 night all Mar 22 03:24:39 * PatrickC_Pre2 is really tired Mar 22 03:24:46 haeffb: so someone was cluey enough to git clone and modify something, but not cluey enough to implement the patch submission process which is the foundation of what the git tool was originally designed for? I find that hard to believe. Mar 22 03:24:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 will be waiting for the new Universe :) Mar 22 03:25:01 "Here are some tips for newcomes: * Lumberjack has no tips" Mar 22 03:25:02 lol Mar 22 03:25:19 rwhitby: it's pretty easy to download a file and modify it Mar 22 03:25:27 no need for the git stuff Mar 22 03:25:27 * haeffb could git clone and modify something right now. Mar 22 03:25:35 Tibfib: rofl, that is a good tip :) Mar 22 03:25:39 but I have no clue how to submit it as a patch. Mar 22 03:25:54 not that I couldn't figure it out... Mar 22 03:26:09 ...but it's not a question of how useful the patch would be to me. Mar 22 03:26:20 ...it's a question of how motivate I am to share the patch. Mar 22 03:26:33 haeffb: exactly, you've already got it :) Mar 22 03:26:38 haeffb: so you'd love to maintain that delta to the tool forever, having to re-make that change to every new version you get from upstream? Mar 22 03:26:54 though that is a good point too. Mar 22 03:27:00 rather than sending it upstream to have it automatically included? Mar 22 03:27:19 depends on how much effort it would take me to learn how to send it upstream. Mar 22 03:27:41 but if I was serious about patching something, or contributing to something, I'd likely take the time to learn it. Mar 22 03:28:27 having said all of this, https://github.com/webos-internals exists :) Mar 22 03:29:00 rwhitby: heh, except its not up to date Mar 22 03:29:31 indeed. Mar 22 03:30:37 * oil forgot he had a github account, heh Mar 22 03:32:31 oil: do all log items have .copy? Mar 22 03:32:43 i think so Mar 22 03:32:45 k Mar 22 03:33:03 mmmmmmmmmmm.... stacks Mar 22 03:33:03 but there is the option to do "pretty" or "raw" Mar 22 03:33:36 message += (prefs.get().copyStyle == 'clean' ? this.listModel.items[i].copy : this.listModel.items[i].raw); Mar 22 03:34:19 for copying? Mar 22 03:34:23 yeah Mar 22 03:34:29 mmkay I'll follow that Mar 22 03:34:33 * rwhitby bbl Mar 22 03:34:49 oil: do the logs have \n at the end? Mar 22 03:35:08 no Mar 22 03:35:19 look in messageTap handler Mar 22 03:35:25 for how the copy stuff is done Mar 22 03:35:58 alrighty should be done Mar 22 03:36:00 now to test Mar 22 03:37:00 that was fast, heh Mar 22 03:37:10 that's why I wanted you to add it Mar 22 03:37:12 ;) Mar 22 03:38:17 oh. nvm. looks like you do some crap to the app menus. Mar 22 03:39:01 hmmmm. what scene is the "follow"? Mar 22 03:41:01 nvm Mar 22 03:44:43 done! Mar 22 03:45:38 oil: also, you could add an option to copy all to clipboard Mar 22 03:45:45 but I don't care enough to do that Mar 22 03:45:54 :( Mar 22 03:46:19 yeah, the appmenu in that scene is crazy awesome :) Mar 22 03:49:28 btw, my email is brandonvb@gmail if you want to send it in :) Mar 22 03:54:47 hmm.. oil: what do you save the file as? Mar 22 03:54:56 eh? Mar 22 03:55:10 .txt? Mar 22 03:55:12 .patch Mar 22 03:55:17 * Tibfib dunnoes Mar 22 03:55:18 whatever Mar 22 03:55:50 sent Mar 22 03:57:39 got it Mar 22 04:02:29 oil: I'm not sure what to bug you about now Mar 22 04:02:30 :/ Mar 22 04:02:37 HAHA! Mar 22 04:02:41 two birds WITH ONE STONE! Mar 22 04:04:47 oil: make me a sandwich! Mar 22 04:08:18 patches welcome Mar 22 04:11:02 darn Mar 22 04:11:13 oil: patches welcome to Koto :) Mar 22 04:11:23 oh cause the source is actually up Mar 22 04:11:27 after like forever Mar 22 04:11:29 lol Mar 22 04:11:37 on a easy to access place Mar 22 04:11:38 * oil will make all your scrollfades awesome Mar 22 04:11:43 they already are Mar 22 04:11:47 awesomer! Mar 22 04:11:52 do it! Mar 22 04:11:59 lol Mar 22 04:12:19 I need to do crap for different background colors Mar 22 04:12:37 my css sucks bad.. so it's gonna be a pain Mar 22 04:13:27 Tibfib: I might submit some patches! FOR SW8 PONI THEMES Mar 22 04:13:37 SineOt: please do! Mar 22 04:13:48 I will reject terrible backgrounds tho :) Mar 22 04:14:11 * oil remembers SineOts preware theme Mar 22 04:14:22 * oil hopes it was sineot atleast and he hasn't forgotten who made it Mar 22 04:14:28 yup, it was me :] Mar 22 04:14:32 oh the blue and green ones? Mar 22 04:14:34 all i remember is randomly changing backgrounds and spinning widgets Mar 22 04:14:39 Tibfib, oh lord no Mar 22 04:14:41 no, SineOts didn't make it in Mar 22 04:14:42 heh Mar 22 04:14:46 lol Mar 22 04:14:48 it had a rainbow background and the widgets would move around Mar 22 04:14:51 haahahahahaahah Mar 22 04:14:55 someone else did the catalog ones Mar 22 04:14:57 well, a blue one Mar 22 04:14:59 I think I remember that now Mar 22 04:15:01 then i fixed it up a bunch Mar 22 04:15:04 and made a green version Mar 22 04:15:16 I like the catalog ones, but I hate the custom popups Mar 22 04:15:21 backgrounds Mar 22 04:15:27 eh Mar 22 04:15:29 i wasnt a fan either Mar 22 04:15:41 * oil needs to finish his LCARS theme and apply it to all the wi apps :) Mar 22 04:15:55 I still prefer the blue theme Mar 22 04:16:13 http://i55.tinypic.com/rhvmsx.png Mar 22 04:16:21 but spaz has weird stuff going on in its html/css Mar 22 04:16:26 haahahah Mar 22 04:16:29 that made doing much more weirds Mar 22 04:16:39 oil: spaz is fairly easy to make themes Mar 22 04:16:42 you've got weird stuff Mar 22 04:16:44 not lcars Mar 22 04:16:46 lol Mar 22 04:16:56 * halfhalo will stab oil if he does lcars Mar 22 04:16:58 oil: do it do it Mar 22 04:17:06 I totally want LCARS Mar 22 04:17:08 like, i wanted to style all the list rows to look like lcars buttons Mar 22 04:17:13 but then there is a button in the list Mar 22 04:17:14 that's easy! Mar 22 04:17:16 and stacking the styles Mar 22 04:17:18 looked weird Mar 22 04:17:30 css noob Mar 22 04:17:36 ;) Mar 22 04:17:38 goodnight everyone Mar 22 04:17:46 it took way too long just to get that front scene looking good heh Mar 22 04:17:48 oh, the markup is fucked up, no doubt Mar 22 04:17:53 night Tibfib Mar 22 04:18:25 i was doin all sorts of craszy stuff Mar 22 04:18:29 like :not() Mar 22 04:18:30 heh Mar 22 04:18:38 nice Mar 22 04:19:01 and actually had to change the html to get that screenshot Mar 22 04:19:12 because there is a table tag to make those two bottom buttons side by side Mar 22 04:19:31 with no padding/spacing = 0 on it Mar 22 04:20:06 its easy to critique others html/css hacks though Mar 22 04:20:10 dont look at my code for sure haha Mar 22 04:22:23 and even with all the work to get the lcars looking right on the bottom part of that screenshot Mar 22 04:22:36 assimilating logo was easy and fun :) Mar 22 04:27:23 then twitter dropped a bomb Mar 22 04:27:30 * halfhalo stabs oil Mar 22 04:27:43 wha? Mar 22 04:27:55 it happens Mar 22 04:28:20 * halfhalo went insane Mar 22 04:29:03 * oil gest into halfhalos apps and adds lcars theme Mar 22 04:29:18 * halfhalo 's apps don't work Mar 22 04:29:21 so THERE Mar 22 04:29:24 heh Mar 22 04:30:28 * halfhalo wins Mar 22 06:29:54 Hrm, would be nice if I could easily remove all the dodgy locations caused by the Pre GPS bug from my latitude history quickly Mar 22 06:38:28 (It would be better still if Latitude itself would reject them as invalid in the first place, but there is a bug open for that...) Mar 22 06:45:01 Is there any way to work in Eclipse/IDEA ide with project having service in it? It has directories like myapp.application, myapp.service, myapp.package as per service example and so, by default commands webOS plugins (for both ide's) not able to build and run it on emulator. Currently i have external tools (scripts for calling palm-generate etc.), but not sure if it's the right way. Mar 22 07:32:15 morning Mar 22 07:32:24 hey swisstomcat Mar 22 07:32:44 hey hotdp Mar 22 07:33:06 'morning hotdp, swisstomcat Mar 22 07:33:15 morning dkirker Mar 22 07:33:24 universe looks good! Mar 22 07:33:36 i saw adora's tweet Mar 22 07:33:42 thanks! Mar 22 07:33:43 where can i see this universe :D = Mar 22 07:33:51 email beta@openmobl.com Mar 22 07:34:00 are going to work for palm soon? :) Mar 22 07:34:08 that is the plan :) Mar 22 07:34:12 cool Mar 22 07:34:14 SFO? Mar 22 07:34:16 oh really? Mar 22 07:34:31 hopefully I start Wednesday. I am just waiting for the background check to complete. Mar 22 07:34:40 wow! congrats! Mar 22 07:35:01 but then universe will disappear and merge into the stock browser? Mar 22 07:35:22 I am not 100% certain of Universe's future. But, I can guarantee that it will not die. Mar 22 07:35:23 * rwhitby tells the background check people about a certain incident at a restaurant last Saturday night ... Mar 22 07:35:34 lol Mar 22 07:35:36 ? Mar 22 07:35:36 hehe Mar 22 07:35:45 rwhitby: do tell, do tell Mar 22 07:35:48 rwhitby: Haha! Mar 22 07:35:59 swisstomcat: dkirker knows what I am referring to. Mar 22 07:37:43 rwhitby: A lot happened that evening. :) Mar 22 07:38:07 dkirker: I hear some things happened after I left too. Mar 22 07:38:17 ah, right! Mar 22 07:38:22 * dkirker smirks Mar 22 07:38:27 hmmm Mar 22 07:38:42 dkirker: same thing happened the previous night while I was present ;) Mar 22 07:39:12 my Pre2 is resting on the very edge of my Asus netbook, and then damn things aren't communicating! I thought that this was supposed to happen!!! :( Mar 22 07:39:15 rwhitby: hehe :) Mar 22 07:44:39 rwhitby: Let's just say, I am very excited all around. :) Mar 22 07:46:20 dkirker: i can imagine … i'm sure there are many improvments to be made in the stock browser Mar 22 07:46:50 I won't be working on the web browser UI, per-se. I'm actually a WebKit Developer. So, I'll be working on that. Mar 22 07:47:09 which is why I might get to continue working on Universe... But, that is still a bit unknown. Mar 22 07:47:29 oh Mar 22 07:47:46 but very good anyway .. even webkit needs improvments Mar 22 08:48:23 bbl Mar 22 09:43:45 can you replace/extend the node.js version on the webos device ? Mar 22 11:01:51 http://pastie.org/1699263 lookie lookie! Mar 22 11:02:25 http://pastie.org/1699263 Mar 22 11:02:36 now I can get app info without using the app cat Mar 22 11:05:54 just awesome for me then i guess Mar 22 12:55:00 lol. http://twitter.com/#!/benrHP/status/50177683916730368 Mar 22 13:01:16 what was the reply to` Mar 22 13:11:29 Tibfib LOL Mar 22 13:11:34 "more" black Mar 22 13:27:04 morning all Mar 22 13:28:44 dkirker: the update was very nice :) Mar 22 13:29:03 how hard was it to implement that? Mar 22 13:43:15 * PatrickC_Pre2 waves hi to funkatron Mar 22 13:43:22 howdy Mar 22 13:44:01 how's it goin? Mar 22 13:44:58 eh, okay. kinda feelingunder the weather Mar 22 13:46:39 that's not good... well, at least you have the 2.1 sdk to play with :) Mar 22 13:50:00 anyone seeing their free app numbers disappear in the "My Apps" section? Mar 22 14:00:19 disappear? Mar 22 14:00:38 the download numbers are no longer there for free apps Mar 22 14:00:40 go heck Mar 22 14:00:47 s/heck/check/ Mar 22 14:00:49 mine arent Mar 22 14:01:15 hmm... odd Mar 22 14:01:17 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?sid=23b289d5eb3163622632b0f9fe7514be&lastaction=logout&f=90&t=12139&p=61091 Mar 22 14:01:21 mine disappeared as well Mar 22 14:01:25 hay thomaschaaf Mar 22 14:01:32 yep Mar 22 14:01:41 check that forum post I linked to Mar 22 14:01:45 I would like to hit every user very hard! Mar 22 14:01:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 wonders why Mar 22 14:02:13 So I wrote this app which takes the days you enter and calucates how many days are between your period.. Mar 22 14:02:31 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't have periods, but ok Mar 22 14:02:44 one user just voted 1 star because my app allows for unrealisic days like 4 day difference Mar 22 14:02:45 hehe Mar 22 14:02:57 what did he suggest as the soltuion?! Mar 22 14:03:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't want to know Mar 22 14:03:14 but tell me anyways Mar 22 14:03:14 excatly "why don't you just always take 28 days as the difference" ? Mar 22 14:03:34 basically take all statistics out of the caluclation and just for for 28 days always Mar 22 14:03:35 WTF Mar 22 14:03:58 oh yea also mine is the only free period calendar.. all others are 5 usd Mar 22 14:04:25 then disregard that review Mar 22 14:04:31 makes me super angry that I can't even talk to them and send them an email in which I can tell them how retarded they are.. Mar 22 14:04:37 1 bad review can't be that bad? can it? Mar 22 14:05:06 then since its an app for girls they seem to be unable to vote 5 stars but just leave 0 stars and tell me "great app" Mar 22 14:05:44 lesson learned never develop anything with the target being feminine.. Mar 22 14:05:59 so, its a 0 star review saying "Great App"? Mar 22 14:06:02 yep Mar 22 14:06:08 wow Mar 22 14:06:15 how's school? Mar 22 14:06:19 :) Mar 22 14:06:19 I have that same experiecne with all my apps Mar 22 14:06:27 then.... Mar 22 14:06:35 stop making female apps lol Mar 22 14:06:38 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks Mar 22 14:06:57 PatrickC_Pre2: I was learning .. then suddently my little app said "NEW REVIEW" Mar 22 14:07:29 it said new review? lol Mar 22 14:08:45 I have a script which fetched my apps and tells me the new reviews Mar 22 14:09:01 automagically Mar 22 14:09:24 care to share said script? :) Mar 22 14:09:29 thinking of making a little website out of it so you get notifed by mail Mar 22 14:09:46 or an app Mar 22 14:09:55 the app won't be approved Mar 22 14:09:58 I could be a beta tester :) Mar 22 14:10:03 web distribution Mar 22 14:10:05 since I am essentially hacking palms servers Mar 22 14:10:09 or Preware distribution Mar 22 14:10:23 is it...... Mar 22 14:10:29 legal? Mar 22 14:11:13 I looked at their code and found out the ways to talk to their review servers http://pastie.org/1699263 Mar 22 14:12:40 PatrickC_Pre2: what browser are you using? Mar 22 14:12:48 Universe Mar 22 14:14:28 PatrickC_Pre2: on your desktop Mar 22 14:14:46 chrome or firefox? Mar 22 14:15:26 FF4 Mar 22 14:15:42 with firebug? Mar 22 14:15:47 no sure Mar 22 14:15:52 okay so you are not Mar 22 14:16:04 just the pre-release FF4 x64 Mar 22 14:16:05 hm k I guess you'll have to wait for the website then Mar 22 14:16:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 man Mar 22 14:16:17 hope they don't Cease and Desist me.. Mar 22 14:16:25 is it legal? Mar 22 14:17:07 if they ask me to stop it could be illegal for me for the end user it isn't Mar 22 14:17:48 then if they ask you to stop, stop.. Mar 22 14:18:00 then it isn't illegal... rite? Mar 22 14:18:27 if they tell me to stop I'll post the code so anyone can run it on their own.. and the nice thing palm can't sue anyone then and they can't change their api which I am using because that would force them to bring out an update for webos :D Mar 22 14:18:39 no its legal Mar 22 14:18:45 just could be a pain for palm :D Mar 22 14:18:57 okay... I'll try here. is anyone currently doctoring a device that they intend to connect to a cell network when done with the doctor? Mar 22 14:19:19 why? Mar 22 14:19:24 I could... Mar 22 14:19:48 is it not letting you restore your account? Mar 22 14:19:54 I need to know if it's possible to place a regular call *after* the phone has activated, but *before* logging into the palm profile Mar 22 14:20:29 it's easy enough to get to the dialer, and I can call special verizon numbers and talk to people (though the lady really didn't know much) Mar 22 14:20:41 RagingMind: why are you trying to do this? why not just log into your profile? Mar 22 14:20:49 rehi Mar 22 14:20:57 hay swisstomcat Mar 22 14:21:00 swisstomcat: hey Mar 22 14:21:05 hey everyone Mar 22 14:21:16 PatrickC_Pre2, because I don't have a data connection that allows me to log into my profile and I"m trying to track down why Mar 22 14:21:35 my phone activates, but doesn't establish a data connection, so I can't log in Mar 22 14:21:45 take it to VZW? Mar 22 14:21:52 I am up to building a service where you can specify applications and if there is a new rating you get an email and other things you'd like? Mar 22 14:21:54 or whomever your carrier is? Mar 22 14:22:26 what devices they are running on :) Mar 22 14:22:30 swisstomcat: any more ideas? Mar 22 14:22:35 * PatrickC_Pre2 hasn't set up Metrix yet Mar 22 14:23:04 thomaschaaf: maybe some fancier umbrella graphics? Mar 22 14:23:22 swisstomcat: no for the review to email service Mar 22 14:23:59 hmm? Mar 22 14:24:19 swisstomcat: I am up to building a service where you can specify applications and if there is a new rating you get an email and other things you'd like? Mar 22 14:24:27 oh Mar 22 14:24:36 interesting Mar 22 14:24:50 i'm sure that will help people .. so you don't have to check reviews all the time Mar 22 14:24:59 yep Mar 22 14:25:32 hope to be able to use that to get some more word for suplify that way.. Mar 22 14:25:35 and now DTMF tones don't work, so I can't select options for customer service... this is just getting worse :( Mar 22 14:25:36 it will be nice Mar 22 14:26:11 RagingMind: I would guess you only have 2 options Mar 22 14:26:12 Doctor Mar 22 14:26:20 or take it to your carrier Mar 22 14:26:44 PatrickC_Pre2, I think it should be obvious that I already doctored, and also obvious that I've explored talking to my carrier Mar 22 14:27:03 is the phone under 1 yr? Mar 22 14:27:16 if so, they could replace it if it is acting up.. Mar 22 14:27:23 they did with mine (several times) Mar 22 14:27:46 I'm also aware of the warranty that I have on my phone Mar 22 14:27:56 just trying to help Mar 22 14:28:41 PatrickC_Pre2: why aren't you in school? Mar 22 14:29:24 my question was very specific, if you don't have an answer for that or an idea of what the actual issue is, then it'd be more appreciated if you didn't try to help by pointing out the obvious Mar 22 14:29:43 thomaschaaf: I am. I'm homeschooled :) Mar 22 14:30:41 RagingMind: GSM/CDMA? Mar 22 14:31:07 verizon is cdma Mar 22 14:31:36 ##786# and do a regular reset maybe? or have you tried that? Mar 22 14:31:48 s/regular/full Mar 22 14:31:52 that's what got me IN this mess Mar 22 14:31:59 ah I see Mar 22 14:32:33 while I was on 2.1 so I doctored to 1.4.5 and tried again... still stuck Mar 22 14:32:35 can you luna-send a java-restart? Mar 22 14:32:43 from your PC? Mar 22 14:33:07 when I tried to place a regular call after activation I got a message from verizon saying that they couldn't authenticate my phone Mar 22 14:33:27 weird Mar 22 14:33:30 but today... I get nothing, it looks like it places the call, but there's only silence Mar 22 14:33:56 hmmm... Mar 22 14:34:11 without knowing what the expected behavior is between activation and profile log-in I can't compare my results to anything Mar 22 14:36:47 anybody use pReader? Mar 22 14:36:51 I do Mar 22 14:37:34 it's a bit slow importing a book into it's library, but that's only once a book :) Mar 22 14:38:05 I otherwise enjoy it and I'm looking forward to the "native" version and using it on a larger screen Mar 22 14:38:21 I have dl'd two o'reilly books & it doesn't see them... Mar 22 14:38:58 ePub and mobi format Mar 22 14:39:46 haeffb_pre, which version of pReader are you using? Mar 22 14:40:30 there's a "native" (ie PDK) version in preware, or an all JS version in the app catalog Mar 22 14:40:59 app cat version Mar 22 14:41:26 ah... then I suggest contacting the dev, cause all my books are mobi and they work great Mar 22 14:42:17 the PDK version has really limited format support right now, so I haven't really been able to try it yet Mar 22 14:43:19 may have to rename the files. Mar 22 14:43:38 haeffb_pre: i use pReader Mar 22 14:44:06 the Pre isn't listed on Adobe's site... Mar 22 14:44:15 I don't know what filename resulted from the download Mar 22 14:44:47 did you download it directly to the device? Mar 22 14:45:17 * halfhalo has gone insane Mar 22 14:45:23 yes, from o'reilly website Mar 22 14:45:26 * swisstomcat gets the straight jacket Mar 22 14:45:34 halfhalo: yes, we know Mar 22 14:45:48 there is a truck here eating a car Mar 22 14:46:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 gets popcorn and watches Mar 22 14:47:20 * halfhalo has to leave car for class 1 out of 2 for the day Mar 22 14:47:53 have fun halfhalo Mar 22 14:50:21 * haeffb_pre goes USB mode. bbl Mar 22 14:50:40 cya Mar 22 14:50:43 wait Mar 22 14:50:57 haeffb_pre: nova-browser if it is a single file Mar 22 14:51:27 or if you are just looking at a filename Mar 22 14:54:47 anyone in need of a cheap Pixi Plus? Mar 22 14:56:19 I'll pay for shipping Mar 22 14:56:34 palm pixi plus - dual band CDMA http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=P121VZW&cpc=SCH Mar 22 14:56:39 for like 50 Mar 22 14:57:03 I don't have one, geeks.com does :D Mar 22 14:57:56 okay so from development perspective I hope to have a running version done by thursday and then friday or so I will release it Mar 22 14:58:06 cool Mar 22 14:59:35 who here is working on exhibition stuff???? Mar 22 14:59:40 me Mar 22 14:59:50 what about just type? Mar 22 14:59:59 just type is in koto Mar 22 15:00:01 :) Mar 22 15:00:09 and dkirker says he wants to do exhibition :) Mar 22 15:00:16 it has *been* in there :p hasn't it Mar 22 15:00:18 for koto? Mar 22 15:00:41 bbl Mar 22 15:00:42 yeah Mar 22 15:00:44 cya Mar 22 15:01:26 thomaschaaf: what app are you working with exhibition? Mar 22 15:02:00 rainy Mar 22 15:02:52 is it a weather app? Mar 22 15:03:01 yep wait let me send oyu the ipk Mar 22 15:03:24 need me to PM you my address? Mar 22 15:03:32 http://db.tt/ECt6c0r Mar 22 15:03:47 no not many people here anyways and if they really want it they will somehow get it anyways.. Mar 22 15:03:59 lol ok Mar 22 15:04:57 it's really hard to study when you have all these idea and know how to make them come to life Mar 22 15:05:13 hmm. when I click the link on my phone.. it does nothing Mar 22 15:05:16 I know!! lol Mar 22 15:05:33 PatrickC_Pre2: download it on your computer Mar 22 15:05:39 the do palm-install FILE Mar 22 15:15:28 found a way to install it on device :) Mar 22 15:16:42 rainy looks nice Mar 22 15:16:47 wb haeffb_pre Mar 22 15:17:01 was a filename issue Mar 22 15:17:30 dl as "mobi" - needed to add filename.mobi Mar 22 15:18:00 which is kinda sucky Mar 22 15:32:25 thomaschaaf: the Rainy app looks good, any support for metric system ? Mar 22 15:32:43 isn't it metric? Mar 22 15:32:56 °C it says here Mar 22 15:32:59 oh I see it in degree F Mar 22 15:33:11 Im in new york, probably its using the locale ? Mar 22 15:33:43 love the graphics Mar 22 15:33:49 yeah, probably Mar 22 15:33:59 i wish the graphics would be a bit fancier Mar 22 15:34:08 * haeffb_pre reading Eloquent Javascript on my sprint frankenPre2 Mar 22 15:34:23 thomaschaaf: i would not use the "not rain" icon for the app icon .. looks too negative Mar 22 15:34:37 * swisstomcat just bought eloquent javascript for half-price Mar 22 15:34:49 me too. Mar 22 15:35:01 thanks funkatron Mar 22 15:35:39 yay Mar 22 15:35:48 pReader has some hiccups on the formatting Mar 22 15:36:20 but so far I have learned about numbers Mar 22 15:45:52 FF4 officially released today Mar 22 15:48:39 after being in beta for 9 months :) Mar 22 15:50:59 I did purchase as well Mar 22 15:51:11 back I am from a yummy feast Mar 22 15:51:17 $20 for print and electronic, not bad Mar 22 15:51:39 (Currywurst + Pommes :) http://saved.im/mjc1ntc2cw9x/pommes_currywurst.jpg for you non german people ) Mar 22 15:56:23 currywurst .. yum Mar 22 15:56:58 I am really bad with studying :/ there are so many better things out there.. Mar 22 15:57:02 stupid abitur Mar 22 16:03:14 pre2 can't login to my yahoo email Mar 22 16:04:30 how are you guys viewing the "eloquent javascript" book on the device ? pdf viewer ? Mar 22 16:04:48 the pdf viewer doesn't work well in landscape mode, such a pain Mar 22 16:04:57 pReader Mar 22 16:05:18 checking it out Mar 22 16:05:23 with the.mobi format Mar 22 16:07:16 preader does PDF too? Mar 22 16:07:56 cwayne: ff4 is official no Mar 22 16:08:02 s/no/now/ Mar 22 16:08:21 PatrickC_Pre: yerp Mar 22 16:09:05 rasor burn in face is so ARGH.. Mar 22 16:09:19 hehe Mar 22 16:09:41 I am reading Eloquent JavaScript on my laptop Mar 22 16:09:52 good book? Mar 22 16:10:00 what does it teach you :/ Mar 22 16:10:04 javascript Mar 22 16:10:09 not getting far yet, as I'm teaching class Mar 22 16:10:10 Javascript :p Mar 22 16:10:30 well I know javascript up to somepoint. Mar 22 16:11:00 the thing is I don'tknow what I don't knwo that I need to learn in a book :/ Mar 22 16:11:05 I know *some* javascript.. but now much Mar 22 16:12:01 wait Mar 22 16:12:10 sugardave is teaching a class?? Mar 22 16:12:28 suggestion: read books Mar 22 16:13:05 yes that is my job Mar 22 16:13:17 funkatron: I've got that part down, I just need to cycle in more non-fiction Mar 22 16:13:22 sugardave: what kind of class? Mar 22 16:13:48 Loudergood: JavaScript is debatably non-fiction Mar 22 16:13:57 IBM Tivoli Access Manager for Enterprise Single Sign-On 8.1 Deployment and Administration Mar 22 16:14:00 that's a solid point Mar 22 16:14:09 I didn't know you were a teacher Mar 22 16:14:22 "technical enablement specialist" Mar 22 16:14:28 sugardave: is that college? or univeristy? Mar 22 16:14:40 thomaschaaf: the real world ;) Mar 22 16:14:44 lol Mar 22 16:14:48 I train business partners and customers Mar 22 16:14:52 ah okay Mar 22 16:14:54 and internal support teams Mar 22 16:14:58 yeah that sounds way too narrow for a university setting Mar 22 16:15:18 do you know anything more about the Palm job? Mar 22 16:16:13 not yet, waiting until I get back to the US to ping them again Mar 22 16:16:42 Palm job. Mar 22 16:16:55 back into the US? where are you now? Mar 22 16:17:37 palm job? Mar 22 16:17:48 palm job? like a hand job with no fingers involved? Mar 22 16:18:02 cwayne: :D Mar 22 16:18:06 hehe Mar 22 16:18:17 * sugardave is currently freezing his ass off in Bogota, Colombia. Mar 22 16:18:28 yikes Mar 22 16:18:33 give yourself a palm job, that'll warm ya up Mar 22 16:18:41 freezing? I got 4 inches of snow last night.. Mar 22 16:18:50 that might get me poor evaluations Mar 22 16:19:25 4 inches of snow? its 80 here Mar 22 16:20:20 bbl Mar 22 16:20:26 loudergood: where do you live? Mar 22 16:20:32 bbl Mar 22 16:20:36 Northern Vermont Mar 22 16:20:44 wow Mar 22 16:20:46 05851 Mar 22 16:21:01 I live in Mid TN and its like 80 here Mar 22 16:21:31 it's 36 now, warmed up from yesterday Mar 22 16:21:41 about 35 here Mar 22 16:21:52 <-- slc, ut Mar 22 16:21:56 where are you cwayne? Mar 22 16:22:02 boston Mar 22 16:22:12 it's not literally freezing here, the locals said it was much colder last week...but still, coming from central TX it's pretty cold here Mar 22 16:22:15 its always cold there :p Mar 22 16:22:30 what's the temp sugardave? Mar 22 16:22:57 lol "the locals" Mar 22 16:23:12 17 Celsius Mar 22 16:23:27 oh, so it's shorts weather ;) Mar 22 16:23:35 it will be 11 C tonight Mar 22 16:23:41 and raining :( Mar 22 16:23:52 62 isn't that bad Mar 22 16:23:53 ok that's always miserable Mar 22 16:24:01 nor is 51 Mar 22 16:24:10 but with the rain, that's just... Mar 22 16:24:11 I have 0 body fat Mar 22 16:24:12 just... Mar 22 16:24:15 I need warmth Mar 22 16:24:17 lol Mar 22 16:24:37 6 layers would keep you warm :) Mar 22 16:24:46 you've got warm weather blood Mar 22 16:25:09 I would die in the summer in houston...it was warm and humid enough when I was there a month ago Mar 22 16:25:33 loudergood: visit FL in mid July Mar 22 16:25:35 :) Mar 22 16:25:39 lol Mar 22 16:25:50 houston is about the same as that I think Mar 22 16:25:52 haha, yeah...when I lived 18 months in Denver, I would laugh at people who said it was too hot at 90 F....that's yard-mowing weather Mar 22 16:25:53 I lived in FL for 14 years Mar 22 16:25:59 I've been to fort myers in february too Mar 22 16:26:04 and Denver is practically 0% humidity Mar 22 16:26:09 its hot in feb :p Mar 22 16:26:34 yup, I was pretty miserable Mar 22 16:27:18 lol Mar 22 16:27:28 ft myers is always hot... Mar 22 16:27:31 so is Miami Mar 22 16:27:35 * Loudergood welcomes you all to #climate Mar 22 16:28:39 * PatrickC_Pre2 is confused :p Mar 22 16:32:10 hay chuqui Mar 22 16:32:34 hey chuqui. How is? :3 Mar 22 16:32:46 hey howdee Mar 22 16:34:27 http://glow.mozilla.org/ Mar 22 16:34:28 SineOt: are you seeing your download numbers on your free apps disappear? Mar 22 16:34:36 PatrickC_Pre2: i saw that Mar 22 16:34:56 Dunno, I haven't looked lately Mar 22 16:35:15 cwayne: wow.. that's a lot of downloads for only like 1hr of release Mar 22 16:35:35 they already have the record for most in a day with ff3 Mar 22 16:36:03 wow Mar 22 16:36:19 Oh cool. iPad finally has some real competition! Mar 22 16:36:27 with who? Mar 22 16:36:30 what, teh ipad 3? Mar 22 16:36:54 Wifi only Playbook 16GB at 499, and the Galaxy Tab 10 16GB at 499 too Mar 22 16:37:05 hmm Mar 22 16:37:07 At least they can compete on price if on nothing else Mar 22 16:37:18 I hope the touchpad can compete in price like that Mar 22 16:37:24 it will Mar 22 16:37:31 i hope i get one for a discount Mar 22 16:37:32 lol Mar 22 16:37:35 playbook is getting a really bad rep with devs already Mar 22 16:37:41 I know the OS/HW is going to compete Mar 22 16:37:50 how come destinal? Mar 22 16:38:03 1mil downloads already... Mar 22 16:38:05 sheesh Mar 22 16:38:07 Playbook is such a webOS rip it's kind of funny. Cards? Apps written in a web tech (AIR)? Mar 22 16:38:19 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2029404/rim-disgruntled-playbook-developers Mar 22 16:38:23 <3 webos Mar 22 16:38:32 The Playbook shot itself in the face with moving a lot of the PIM stuff to a synced blackberry. Mar 22 16:38:41 I don't know if that's changed recently, but holymoly what a stupid idea. Mar 22 16:39:32 cwayne: I hope they do a free device program :) Mar 22 16:39:39 but I'll take a discount program Mar 22 16:40:08 <3 webosinternals buying my devices :) Mar 22 16:40:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 steels oil's device(s) Mar 22 16:40:59 psh Mar 22 16:41:03 i keep em in a lockbox Mar 22 16:41:19 PatrickC_Pre2, not a good idea... imagine how many pissed off wIRC users there'd be if oil lost all his devices Mar 22 16:41:31 4? Mar 22 16:41:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 steels the arriving *new* devices Mar 22 16:41:51 oilsworkn, that's still 4 pissed off people against PatrickC_Pre2 ;) Mar 22 16:42:20 so one less then normal? Mar 22 16:42:21 xD Mar 22 16:42:31 LMAO Mar 22 16:42:34 lol Mar 22 16:42:38 oilsworkn: I'm psyched about the possibilities of a touchpad sized webos device Mar 22 16:42:50 if I could keep wirc open, have it stay connected, and have it not eat my battery for lunch, I'd keep it open almost all the time Mar 22 16:43:22 destinal: me too Mar 22 16:43:29 cant wait to use one Mar 22 16:43:31 one of the reasons I wanted a smart phone was so I could IRC from it Mar 22 16:43:34 Having seen the TouchPad it's hard to not be excited about it Mar 22 16:43:49 the viewing angle on it is killer and I hope that shipping models keep that up Mar 22 16:43:54 * sugardave tries to get on SWAT before he has to pay for a TouchPad. Mar 22 16:43:55 ;) Mar 22 16:44:00 especially with decent processing power behind it, why need a laptop? Mar 22 16:44:09 lol..mine seems to work well enough on wifi with wirc..but I bet evdo would kill it quick Mar 22 16:44:10 bt kb Mar 22 16:44:16 you can view it almost completely edge on and still have pretty accurate color reproduction Mar 22 16:44:20 if I can afford a touchpad it'll replace my netbook Mar 22 16:44:26 * oilsworkn has used wirc all day before, driving around, never had connection problems :/ Mar 22 16:44:44 so... come summer anyone wanna buy a slightly used Lenovo S10? :D Mar 22 16:44:50 oilsworkn: it probably just depends on the strength of the signal Mar 22 16:44:54 I think we're talking about the battery oilsworkn Mar 22 16:44:56 RagingMind: $20 Mar 22 16:45:15 at home just using evdo at all sucks battery like a 5$ hooker, slurp slurp slurp Mar 22 16:45:21 Loudergood, I can't keep wirc connected on wifi when the phone sleeps, with evdo it stays connected, but I need to keep it plugged in Mar 22 16:45:23 is that the netbook that doesn't have trackpoint? Mar 22 16:45:37 RagingMind: did you try the sleeping wifi setting? Mar 22 16:45:47 RagingMind: I have the wifi sleeps even though I tell it not to bug, you might too Mar 22 16:45:48 Loudergood, only the thinkpads have those, the ideapads don't Mar 22 16:45:53 I miss my nipple mouse :( Mar 22 16:45:59 can't buy it then Mar 22 16:46:06 * Loudergood is a trackpoint addict Mar 22 16:46:20 * oilsworkn hp laptop he fished out of the dumpster has both trackpad and the nipple Mar 22 16:46:22 the sad part is a netbook would be the perfect environment for one Mar 22 16:46:24 Loudergood, bug? Mar 22 16:46:26 info on bug? Mar 22 16:46:35 I don't know much about it Mar 22 16:46:43 other than that's what's happening Mar 22 16:46:45 you try turning it off and back on? Mar 22 16:46:48 xD Mar 22 16:46:48 oilsworkn: a working laptop dumpster dived? Mar 22 16:46:50 yup Mar 22 16:47:01 destinal: well, the screen was completely disconnected from an abusive owner Mar 22 16:47:14 $30 in parts off ebay = like new lappy Mar 22 16:47:14 sweet free server ;) Mar 22 16:47:23 lol Mar 22 16:47:29 oilsworkn: nice Mar 22 16:47:31 I'm starting to hope that I can convince verizon to send me a new pre instead of fixing mine... I seem to be amounting lots of very small undesirable bugs Mar 22 16:47:35 business class laptop are tanks anyway Mar 22 16:47:41 well, by "like new" i mean, "1 piece" Mar 22 16:47:41 * PatrickC_Pre2 should dumpster dive like oilsworkn Mar 22 16:47:43 its not the fastest Mar 22 16:48:01 and some screen problems Mar 22 16:48:03 what processor? Mar 22 16:48:07 (to be expected though) Mar 22 16:48:17 mobile p4? Mar 22 16:48:26 better then mine Mar 22 16:48:36 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals oilsworkn's new laptop Mar 22 16:48:42 this summer... Lenovo IdeaPad U260 (unless they have an update to it by then) and a TouchPad :) *dreaming* Mar 22 16:48:49 meh, i never compute on the go Mar 22 16:48:58 the only time i've actually used it like solid Mar 22 16:49:01 was when my pc died Mar 22 16:49:02 which one is the U260? is that the tablet laptop one? :o Mar 22 16:49:02 Loudergood, assuming I can get my pre working again, know how I'd check? Mar 22 16:49:04 or i was in nyc Mar 22 16:49:15 oilsworkn: thing is, if you need resources on the road, vnc / remote desktop Mar 22 16:49:25 we need good clients for webos for touchpad use Mar 22 16:49:30 RagingMind: if it disconnects from wifi when it sleeps, you've got the bug XD Mar 22 16:49:31 computers are for computing Mar 22 16:49:39 otters are for otting? Mar 22 16:49:40 RagingMind: I just noticed that the icon was reconnecting whenever I wake it up Mar 22 16:49:41 SineOt, no it's the really sexy one :) Mar 22 16:49:43 yes Mar 22 16:49:46 touchpad vnc client would be most excellent Mar 22 16:49:52 SineOt: not necessarily, there is a toggle for that Mar 22 16:49:59 sugardave: especially a multitouch one :) Mar 22 16:50:02 Loudergood, ah... um... yeah mine does that Mar 22 16:50:05 RagingMind: I don't know, that tablet laptop one is pretty sexy :p Mar 22 16:50:09 * oilsworkn thought otters were for clubbing, but then i remembered thats what seals are for Mar 22 16:50:14 even though I had it setup not to sleep Mar 22 16:50:19 PatrickC_Pre2: which doesn't always work, hence it being a bug :I Mar 22 16:50:42 well, multitouch means PDK full screen app Mar 22 16:50:46 unfortunately Mar 22 16:50:50 js doesn't get that love Mar 22 16:50:55 neither to plugin hybrids Mar 22 16:50:58 well, it could be just toggled the wrong way Mar 22 16:51:06 why would you need multitouch on a VNC client though Mar 22 16:51:12 oilsworkn: wIRC submitted yet? Mar 22 16:51:13 why not? Mar 22 16:51:14 it's not like XP is exactly multitouch aware Mar 22 16:51:23 PatrickC_Pre2: the portal still wont let me upload the ipk Mar 22 16:51:32 :'( Mar 22 16:51:35 Adora is on the case Mar 22 16:51:39 or Vista, or Win7 really Mar 22 16:51:46 the only vaguely multitouch aware OS is OSX Mar 22 16:51:51 * oilsworkn assumes poor programmers are being whipped as we speak Mar 22 16:52:00 SineOt: it'd be a good way to use only a portion of the screen Mar 22 16:52:01 no I'm not Mar 22 16:52:07 PatrickC_Pre2: it's not. it's a bug, problem solllllvvveeddddddddd Mar 22 16:52:07 hehe Mar 22 16:52:32 Loudergood: yeah I suppse, but you'd be able to do pinch to zoom to resize wouldn't you? Mar 22 16:53:01 multitouch to control the client, and single taps get passed through? Mar 22 16:53:43 yeah Mar 22 16:53:45 something like that Mar 22 16:53:46 and using multitouch to do stuff like right click and click-drag? Mar 22 16:53:51 or build a teackpad into the app for use? Mar 22 16:53:59 and panning around the desktop... Mar 22 16:54:01 as most OS's you'd be using would just ignore most multitouch inputs Mar 22 16:54:11 s/treackpad/trackpad/ Mar 22 16:54:18 okay I'm excited... a remote desktop app like that would be sexy Mar 22 16:54:38 get to work! Mar 22 16:54:43 Heh... Mar 22 16:54:47 chuqui: I'll take my touchpad now please :) Mar 22 16:55:12 X stuff makes a lot more sense on touchpad too IMO Mar 22 16:55:36 I'm imagining you could even run something like openoffice on it without killing your device :) Mar 22 16:55:49 sugardave, I'm an ideas guy, with such a strong sense of perfectionism towards my own work that I perpetually defeat most of my ambitions Mar 22 16:56:13 RagingMind: wait, that's me Mar 22 16:56:18 yes, I am familiar Mar 22 16:56:20 destinal: openoffice would be nice :) Mar 22 16:56:28 * oilsworkn only does perfect :) Mar 22 16:56:42 PatrickC_Pre2: someone did ooo on the pre Mar 22 16:56:45 long ago Mar 22 16:57:00 really, I'm gonna google and find out more :) Mar 22 16:57:14 oilsworkn: you have to admit though, the pre isn't a great platform for it... in fact most X stuff on a phone screen, meh Mar 22 16:57:19 I'd rather have iWork on the TouchPad :T Mar 22 16:57:26 yeah Mar 22 16:57:31 Keynote supremacy Mar 22 16:57:43 a remote desktop type app on the pre is purely for "hey look at this!" Mar 22 16:57:44 I've streamlined the process, now I defeat myself just after the idea ;) Mar 22 16:57:53 probably not useful in actual day-to-day Mar 22 16:58:08 oilsworkn: I've done some emergency sysadmin stuff from my phone before but it's not fun Mar 22 16:58:16 lol Mar 22 16:58:21 i have too Mar 22 16:58:28 tablet would be a whole different deal Mar 22 16:58:28 they call and im like "wait till in at a pc" Mar 22 16:58:37 and i used my phone to tell them that xD Mar 22 16:58:43 especially with a bt kbd Mar 22 16:58:47 yeah Mar 22 17:00:36 * oilsworkn thinks atrix-style dock for pre would be cool though Mar 22 17:00:43 the laptop dock thing Mar 22 17:02:03 oilsworkn: true. another nice thing would be the ability to send screen output to another device. so say you've got an appletv at home (or better something running xbmc) just airplay things to it Mar 22 17:02:33 next gen webOS devices? just buy one of a couple different cores with different features (prices) and then dock them into the different shells that you want? tablet, laptop, phone? Mar 22 17:02:34 yeah Mar 22 17:03:08 but lets let them get some solid devices into the wild before we go asking for more fancy stuff :) Mar 22 17:03:25 laptop docks for devices are only cool as long as they, y'know, are price competitive with the devices they're trying to replace Mar 22 17:03:55 the Atrix dock is like 450 :I Mar 22 17:03:56 RagingMind: palm already had some patents for a phone that snaps into a laptop shaped dock with a bigger screen and keyboard etc I thought Mar 22 17:03:59 a while back Mar 22 17:04:02 you could buy a better specced real laptop for that price Mar 22 17:04:17 Palm already almost shipped the Folieo Mar 22 17:04:20 or whatever it was Mar 22 17:04:34 all these damn otters screwing up my parade! Mar 22 17:04:39 SineOt: nah, that was its own device, netbook before netbooks were cool that would pair to your phone Mar 22 17:04:43 it would be cool to just have the phone, and merge it with a bunch of different shells depending on the interface that was most suited for the work you're doing Mar 22 17:04:55 they have a patent on a dock thing like atrix I think Mar 22 17:05:06 sue! Mar 22 17:05:14 they used the word "app store" sue! Mar 22 17:05:40 damn right I screwed up your parade! Mar 22 17:05:59 you could buy a dual core Atom netbook for less than the Atrix dock! Mar 22 17:06:18 if hp sued apple for making a "smart phone" Mar 22 17:06:19 It's just a screen and a keyboard! How does it end up at 450$? Mar 22 17:06:21 internet news would EXPLODE Mar 22 17:08:14 I like that the Galaxy Tab 10 is thinner than the iPad 2... By 0.01 inches Mar 22 17:08:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JsulCV4nEQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player Mar 22 17:08:25 And that's this huge "OMG" announcement :I Mar 22 17:08:27 lol Mar 22 17:08:51 someone at apple probably got fired Mar 22 17:09:17 I just feel bad for folks on Vodafone Mar 22 17:09:20 is that 2.x running on a pre-? Mar 22 17:09:23 they get the ugly fat ass Galaxy Tab Mar 22 17:09:27 in april last year... Mar 22 17:09:40 way to go Samsung, obsolete a product before it even ships! :3 Mar 22 17:09:45 PatrickC_Pre2: dont believe everything you see on the internets Mar 22 17:10:01 lol Mar 22 17:10:10 I have a vodaphone phone :) from the month I spent in germany... Mar 22 17:10:11 but it's on the internetttttttttt it must be true Mar 22 17:10:20 I don't imagine it's all that useful here :( Mar 22 17:10:30 a vodaphonephone? Mar 22 17:10:34 heh Mar 22 17:10:35 that doesn't even look like 2.x Mar 22 17:10:53 how do you confuse the two Mar 22 17:10:57 I was watching on the pre2 in the browser Mar 22 17:11:00 it was smalla Mar 22 17:11:08 and I was being me Mar 22 17:11:09 it's not even the same color as the 2.x launcher Mar 22 17:11:10 :D Mar 22 17:11:26 nor does it have any of the other changes from the 2.x launcher Mar 22 17:11:58 I know it's hard but PatrickC_Pre2, quit being you XD Mar 22 17:12:29 lol Mar 22 17:12:42 but thats no fun :p Mar 22 17:13:02 oh it's totally fun to be someone other than you Mar 22 17:13:08 you just have to use your imagination! Mar 22 17:13:32 be a lurker Mar 22 17:14:22 hehe Mar 22 17:15:27 let the chrooting continue Mar 22 17:15:41 I wounder how long I did actually study Mar 22 17:16:44 Man I'm so glad Valve tests steam so effectively Mar 22 17:16:48 "Fixed Mac OSX overlay occasionally disappearing after 10+ minutes in game" Mar 22 17:18:42 Adora: Ping pong Mar 22 17:19:06 Lulz Mar 22 17:34:16 Hey, can anyone explain me, how I access the Database in WebOs 2.1. In WebOs 1.4.5 it was in PalmDatabase.db3. This file is deleted, but how i can now access the Database? Some Tutorial? Mar 22 17:35:02 It's been moved into db8 Mar 22 17:36:18 Ok ... and how I access this? And where is the file? Mar 22 17:38:57 SineOt: Any idea? Mar 22 17:39:05 Or some tutorial? Mar 22 17:39:12 Don't know. Impostah in Preware will let you explore it Mar 22 17:40:07 a white background does not look good on my phone Mar 22 17:40:10 anyone know where the Database is stored on the device? Mar 22 17:40:21 there's webos-sdk-docs-samples-2.1.519/docs/docs.html#new-in-2.0/db8.html document Mar 22 17:40:32 Looking for the DeviceToken Mar 22 17:40:56 Why doens't it look good, PatrickC_Pre2? Mar 22 17:41:04 too... white Mar 22 17:41:13 it was all white with a white porche on it Mar 22 17:41:20 this background looks much better Mar 22 17:41:42 That just sounds like a plain ol' ugly background to begin with :p Mar 22 17:41:48 Ok thanks sandrstar :) Mar 22 17:41:52 lol Mar 22 17:42:11 what do you have for your background? Mar 22 17:42:58 I tend to rotate between a few things. Normally some digital paintings I like or friends have done for me, or stuff I get off Interface Lift Mar 22 17:43:37 I use fantastic wallpaper Mar 22 17:44:08 anyone else experiencing horrid pre2 battery issues Mar 22 17:44:13 I also occasionally use various MLP fan art I find :I Mar 22 17:44:28 Poniponiponi :3c Mar 22 17:44:38 lol Mar 22 17:47:29 so. Mar 22 17:47:49 Chuq told us to email pdc about the download numbers disappearing Mar 22 17:47:52 * haeffb_pre uses calvin&hobbes background Mar 22 17:47:59 I emailed about 15 min ago Mar 22 17:48:05 just got a reply Mar 22 17:48:05 lol Mar 22 17:49:57 what did he say? Mar 22 17:50:13 Sue told me: Mar 22 17:50:31 this is being investigated by engineering, please stay tuned Mar 22 17:50:40 okay.. so nothing Mar 22 17:50:45 yep Mar 22 17:51:19 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=12139 Mar 22 17:51:24 there's the topic on it Mar 22 17:53:48 anyone checked their download speeds over wifi on the pre2? Mar 22 17:53:54 mine seemed kinda high... Mar 22 17:56:46 can somene give me their application id? Mar 22 17:56:52 com.bla.asd ? Mar 22 17:57:33 com.ruddersquish.boxeeremotebeta Mar 22 17:57:36 com.patrickc.justaflashlightlite Mar 22 17:58:02 man. you beat me sineot :( Mar 22 17:58:15 PatrickC_Pre2: is yours shorter? Mar 22 17:58:29 then sineot's, yes Mar 22 17:58:53 com.patrickc.foghorn Mar 22 17:59:19 or Mar 22 17:59:25 com.patrickc.strobelite Mar 22 18:02:10 PatrickC_Pre2: you foghorn app was the 6297th app in the appstore Mar 22 18:02:26 okay this is really getting down to business :D# Mar 22 18:02:40 that's pretty awesome Mar 22 18:02:46 does it give info for the beta feeds too? Mar 22 18:03:01 wanna share it thomaschaaf :) Mar 22 18:04:20 have to go do some sport Mar 22 18:04:37 what sport? Mar 22 18:04:39 will be back in 2 hours and then hopefully have review2mail ready soon Mar 22 18:04:42 just working out Mar 22 18:04:53 don't wanna get too fat Mar 22 18:04:53 bear bating and kangaroo wrestling Mar 22 18:04:54 hey Mar 22 18:05:03 anyone knwo the warranty on the touchstone backs? Mar 22 18:05:22 dunivan: I think it's supposed to be 90 days, but depending on the issue, they might replace it anyways Mar 22 18:05:40 I think they'll just replace any of the Pixi touchstone backs because they just fall apart like tissue paper in a rainstorm Mar 22 18:05:45 cya thomaschaaf Mar 22 18:05:50 i have a pre- Mar 22 18:06:03 my pixi ts back is holding together nice Mar 22 18:06:14 touchstone back is cracking by the volume port, and i have not dropped my phone Mar 22 18:06:16 but I no longer have a pixi :'( Mar 22 18:06:37 I've got two green Pixi touchstone backs and they've completely separated Mar 22 18:06:37 sits in my front pocket, is baby'd and the crack is expanding Mar 22 18:07:10 dunivan: just contact them via Webchat, and they'll tell you what they can do Mar 22 18:07:20 thanks Mar 22 18:07:40 also, has anyone been successful getting their dev pre2 from adela? Mar 22 18:07:46 I have Mar 22 18:07:52 * PatrickC_Pre ducks Mar 22 18:08:31 if you haven't gotten yours yet, it is probably because they are out of them atm Mar 22 18:08:51 and aren't communicating it very well Mar 22 18:08:59 yea... Mar 22 18:09:04 wheres the palm chat? Mar 22 18:09:12 palm.com/support Mar 22 18:11:58 thanks Mar 22 18:12:06 i'd like a dev pre2 for sprint Mar 22 18:12:07 is the pre3 official for sprint yet? Mar 22 18:12:12 thatd be nice. *sigh* Mar 22 18:12:16 not yet... Mar 22 18:12:23 pandora its only for vzw unless you make a frankenpre Mar 22 18:12:23 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes it was Mar 22 18:12:30 i know Mar 22 18:12:31 :( Mar 22 18:12:36 it's not worth it Mar 22 18:12:36 pandora--: make your own Mar 22 18:12:47 verizon/thunderbolt is my future Mar 22 18:12:52 as soon as i'm out of the contract Mar 22 18:13:08 oh. well. Mar 22 18:13:32 i hate sprint Mar 22 18:13:43 good luck opening *that* box :) Mar 22 18:13:54 and lack confidence in webos future :( Mar 22 18:14:16 we'll see though Mar 22 18:14:27 i've got an insider at palm that might tell me otherwise Mar 22 18:14:46 * PatrickC_Pre2 who's this "insider" Mar 22 18:14:48 * haeffb_pre not worried about future. this sprint Pre2 is the best device for me at present Mar 22 18:14:51 ugh Mar 22 18:14:54 anyone know how to "side load" an application into a palm? Mar 22 18:15:00 what's up dkirker? Mar 22 18:15:06 side load? Mar 22 18:15:15 via cable Mar 22 18:15:29 side load like android Mar 22 18:15:34 where u can use command prompt to load an apk Mar 22 18:15:36 webos quickinstall Mar 22 18:15:41 yeah Mar 22 18:15:43 or palm-install from the sdk Mar 22 18:15:45 search for that Mar 22 18:15:45 or palm-install Mar 22 18:15:56 PatrickC_Pre2: The method I was using to make Universe the default browser, apparently takes over. i.e. Even though the default prefs app shows Web as the default browser, Universe still launches the page. Mar 22 18:16:07 YoungGUN: and you'll need to enable developer mode Mar 22 18:16:17 that's fine with me :) Mar 22 18:16:17 komanchi code right pandora? Mar 22 18:16:23 yup Mar 22 18:16:26 dkirker: ouch! is it because web isn't really ready for other apps? Mar 22 18:16:26 konami Mar 22 18:16:28 but yeah Mar 22 18:16:33 http://www.precentral.net/konami-code-enables-developer-mode-really Mar 22 18:16:59 thanks pandora Mar 22 18:17:05 dkirker, you're the universe and movox guy? Mar 22 18:17:16 universe FTW! Mar 22 18:17:31 :) Mar 22 18:17:38 SineOt: I dunno... There was supposed to be a way to get it to be the default from the appInfo, but that didn't work. So I added a call to addRedirectHandler... Well, I suppose that I theoretically rule the Universe now... Mar 22 18:17:41 RagingMind: esy Mar 22 18:17:44 *yes Mar 22 18:18:23 dkirker: yeah, it's weird that it completely takes over though Mar 22 18:18:36 is it just a new UI on webkit? or a new browser core? Mar 22 18:18:45 new UI on webkit Mar 22 18:19:08 hola Mar 22 18:19:12 pandora latest palm webos is at developer.palm.com right? Mar 22 18:19:28 * joebpre is loving his Touchstone Mar 22 18:19:33 lol Mar 22 18:19:39 didn't you have one before? Mar 22 18:19:46 I need to set up my vertical touchstone again Mar 22 18:19:53 dkirker, and how's movox? :) that's the one I"m kinda excited about Mar 22 18:20:00 verticle touchstone? Mar 22 18:20:03 yea I didn't have it on a reliable power source Mar 22 18:20:18 RagingMind: On hold for a moment. Basically, the Mic API only works in Mojo apps, and it isn't realtime. I need something for PDK. Mar 22 18:20:29 I also don't know how to write sound drivers. Mar 22 18:20:47 yup Mar 22 18:20:52 vertical touchstones are the best Mar 22 18:20:59 ah... so it's just linphone for now? *sigh* Mar 22 18:21:03 you mount it upside down and vertically Mar 22 18:21:12 where/why? lol Mar 22 18:21:21 for great justice Mar 22 18:21:31 anywhere? I've got a vertical bit on my desk that's perfect Mar 22 18:21:38 and why? because now I don't have it taking up space Mar 22 18:21:45 it just hovers there Mar 22 18:21:45 lol Mar 22 18:22:04 I never thought of hanging it vertically :p Mar 22 18:22:46 it holds the pre there securely? Mar 22 18:22:53 yup Mar 22 18:23:05 wow Mar 22 18:23:06 nice Mar 22 18:23:14 what about in the car? Mar 22 18:23:15 it's rocking a bunch of magnets, why wouldn't it? Mar 22 18:23:35 I've pondered a car one, but haven't really got around to it because it'd be kind of ugly Mar 22 18:23:49 wire it into the car's battery Mar 22 18:23:51 :) Mar 22 18:23:51 and ugly? Ugly is bad Mar 22 18:24:07 paint it the color of the car's interior.. Mar 22 18:24:25 that'd just be even uglier Mar 22 18:24:34 lol Mar 22 18:24:43 it's an S10, there's no center floor console to mount against, so it'd have to be on the dash Mar 22 18:25:15 the only viable location on the dash is the airbag controls that I kind of don't want to cover up and would be in a really unusable location Mar 22 18:25:22 wow... this is gonna make a bunch of people mad... Mar 22 18:25:32 dkirker: those are the best features Mar 22 18:25:48 hehe Mar 22 18:25:53 it doesn't bother me Mar 22 18:25:59 if I want the regular browser Mar 22 18:26:00 my car had a nice flat open spot just to the right of teh ignition, it's perfect Mar 22 18:26:02 yeah.. well... the webOS http/https URL redirecting system is horribly broken... Mar 22 18:26:02 I click the icon Mar 22 18:26:15 I've just got it mounted so the palm logo is upside down Mar 22 18:26:33 PatrickC_Pre2: sadly, other people won't likely want this as their default. Or they want to go back and forth. Mar 22 18:27:00 It is bad practice to force users to use something without their permission. Mar 22 18:27:36 true Mar 22 18:27:47 Loudergood: Yeah, that's where the airbag controls are, but they're also right behind the column shifter and behind the steering wheel Mar 22 18:27:55 what happens if they uninstall it? Mar 22 18:28:01 ah a column shifter Mar 22 18:28:20 PatrickC_Pre2: I just tried that on this Pre... Ummm. I don't think that it uninstalled Mar 22 18:28:28 my ignition is mounted in the dash, so it's a bit farther to the right of the wheel Mar 22 18:28:37 wow Mar 22 18:28:40 so it'd work but I couldn't see it easily and I'd have to like WAAAAAAAAY reach over to see what was on the screen Mar 22 18:28:43 let me try on my pre2 Mar 22 18:29:00 right now it's mounted in a cup holder mount, since a pair of cupholders is the closest to a center console I've got Mar 22 18:29:17 well fuck Mar 22 18:29:23 is there anyway to install ipks through command prompt? Mar 22 18:29:30 this is very very bad Mar 22 18:29:35 uninstalled Mar 22 18:29:42 the main browser still does not take over Mar 22 18:29:48 yea Mar 22 18:29:50 it shows a blank where Universe would be Mar 22 18:29:50 brb Mar 22 18:30:03 I'm waiting for my tax return... a car holder for my pre, and new wifi router :) Mar 22 18:30:43 * sugardave will owe taxes for the first time ever. Mar 22 18:30:44 :( Mar 22 18:30:59 RagingMind: what I got was a like, MacAlly I think? It's a cupholder mount, let me find it Mar 22 18:31:06 best part was that it was a total of 11$ Mar 22 18:31:23 from my wife: "We watched Eminem unplugged last night and saw the "I need a doctor" video, and Dre is cured using an HP touchpad and a Palm3 Mar 22 18:31:27 " Mar 22 18:31:54 So, apparently I cannot unregister Universe as the default browser. Even when it is uninstalled. This is just great... Mar 22 18:32:32 yup Mar 22 18:32:38 the dr is sporting a palm 3 Mar 22 18:32:38 ;P) Mar 22 18:32:51 We watched Eminem unplugged last night and saw the "I need a doctor" video, and Dre is cured using an HP touchpad and a Palm3 Mar 22 18:32:54 dammit Mar 22 18:32:56 sorry Mar 22 18:33:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA770wpLX-Q Mar 22 18:33:19 I will have to watch later Mar 22 18:33:58 http://store.netgate.com/ALIX2D2-Kit-Red-Unassembled-P1028C82.aspx (except I"d get the parts separate and skip the CF card cause I have one already) and I was looking at http://store.precentral.net/igrip-custom-fit-holder-without-mount/3A96A5870.htm (haven't decided on what mount would be best in my car yet) Mar 22 18:34:16 RagingMind: http://www.amazon.com/Macally-Adjustable-Portable-Devices-Vehicle/dp/B002JTWRN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1300818576&sr=8-1 this thing, here we go Mar 22 18:34:26 So, the next question. How do I get at the applicationManager service's supported commands? Mar 22 18:34:40 UTSL? Mar 22 18:35:07 oh, but that is not js Mar 22 18:35:16 is it just in JavaScript? I hunted for it a while back but couldn't... yeah Mar 22 18:35:39 a cup holder one would put it under my right forearm Mar 22 18:35:43 applicationManager is most likely not js Mar 22 18:35:44 :( Mar 22 18:35:49 RagingMind: the best part is that it's adjustable, so depending on if I've got my Pixi with me or my Pre I can change it Mar 22 18:35:57 they've got a suction cup model too Mar 22 18:36:21 I'm skeptical of universal holders Mar 22 18:36:27 sugardave: that f*ing blows. Now Universe is stuck being the default browser, even on removal, on ~50 poors souls devices... Mar 22 18:37:12 dkirker: note that I cannot say 100% on that, but it seems reasonable (especially if you have already been looking for it) Mar 22 18:37:16 dkirker, OOPS? Mar 22 18:37:39 can you make a fake package to install that sets the internal browser as default? Mar 22 18:37:50 RagingMind: It seems that the webOS URL/redirect process is broken... Mar 22 18:38:06 I tried doing something similar in Universe, but it still doesn't work. Mar 22 18:38:50 I *knew* that the dream I had this morning was a very bad sign (I was basically attacked by a ghost...). Mar 22 18:39:01 RagingMind: this comes with two sets of various height arms and has like 18 different width settings Mar 22 18:39:13 hmm... Mar 22 18:40:01 what would be nifty is to take the touchstone parts and integrate them with a holder... so that I just set it in place and go. but I want more than the magnets holding it down Mar 22 18:40:25 ok, I think I figured it out! Mar 22 18:40:35 woo! Mar 22 18:40:49 Jason and I were DMing this information and he told me how to remove the redirect, and I overlooked it in my excitement Mar 22 18:41:06 * dkirker wipes the sweat from his brows Mar 22 18:41:58 yay Mar 22 18:42:24 now, can I safely change the default browser, and then change it back? Mar 22 18:43:32 PatrickC_Pre2: That "feature" will go away by 0.8.0 Mar 22 18:43:39 Sam's Club Chocolate Shake == amazing! Mar 22 18:43:48 will it come back ever? Mar 22 18:43:57 like if you figure out how to fix it? Mar 22 18:44:00 no, not until Palm get's things fixed Mar 22 18:44:12 ok Mar 22 18:44:42 maybe it'll become a supported API soon enough... Mar 22 18:45:11 who knows Mar 22 18:45:27 maybe 3.0 will have it Mar 22 18:45:33 we can only hope... Mar 22 18:45:59 Well, I could probably use it if this code works. The problem is, it goes against the way things should be done, therefore I am not going to use it. Mar 22 18:46:20 yea Mar 22 18:46:22 I agree Mar 22 18:46:30 it is an abomination to you Mar 22 18:46:47 omg, my ears and eyes are burning!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 Mar 22 18:47:19 oh great... Mar 22 18:47:29 that didn't work... Mar 22 18:47:36 it didnt... Mar 22 18:47:42 not from within Universe Mar 22 18:48:19 what happens if you compile the original browser, and uninstall/re-install it Mar 22 18:48:31 nonono, that is way to complex Mar 22 18:48:59 it might fix it though.... Mar 22 18:49:35 I know how to fix it, though Mar 22 18:49:42 yay Mar 22 18:49:46 but I need to create another IPK that will uninstall it... :( Mar 22 18:49:56 whats the best way to rip an .ipk? Mar 22 18:50:12 "rip" an .ipk? Mar 22 18:50:19 as in grab it off a palm and put it on another palm Mar 22 18:50:46 talk to the dev and ask them for the ipk :) Mar 22 18:50:54 its no ones app :P its my own Mar 22 18:51:03 im just new to palm coming from android os Mar 22 18:51:15 why do you need to do that? Mar 22 18:51:38 because i work in a business that requires me to load .ipks into palms nationwide. Mar 22 18:52:04 if its your own app, don't you have the ipk? Mar 22 18:52:06 just trying to figure out how to get the .ipk off my dev device Mar 22 18:52:11 and what desktop os? Mar 22 18:52:12 so i can inject it into other palms Mar 22 18:52:30 if you build the ipk, then you should have it on a desktop Mar 22 18:52:55 i dont have the .ipk only the software which my company has, im ripping apart our firmware to try and find it Mar 22 18:53:20 if it's your app, you should have the original code to build your own ipk off of, or to have your own ipk somewhere Mar 22 18:53:30 it's ultra fishy to be asking about how to do this with your own app Mar 22 18:53:44 well when i say my "own app" i mean the firmware my company has developed. Mar 22 18:53:54 im just trying to rip terminal.ipk off of it, to put it onto other palms Mar 22 18:53:59 firmware? Mar 22 18:54:39 yeah we have our own custom firmware Mar 22 18:54:57 what company is it? Mar 22 18:55:17 www.flashtotalk.com Mar 22 18:55:21 www.flashtotalkgsm.com Mar 22 18:55:21 :) Mar 22 18:56:02 we flash phones to other carriers, i spend tons of time installing drivers, and installing custom firmware, when i could save myself sometime and just actually sideload terminal.ipk into the palm and be done with it. Mar 22 18:56:13 sounds like you're just trying to rip off carrier apps Mar 22 18:56:19 so im just trying to figure out how to pull the .ipk from our dev device we have, so we can sideload it Mar 22 18:56:20 terminal Mar 22 18:56:22 is not a carrier app Mar 22 18:56:30 ah Mar 22 18:56:44 you guys built your own terminal app Mar 22 18:56:45 ? Mar 22 18:56:59 yeah punk_ka0s helped us build it from the android scene. Mar 22 18:58:26 sorry if im a noobcake here, im not familar with palm os :P still trying to learn it myself, im an android specialist myself. Mar 22 18:58:50 palm os is long gone :) Mar 22 18:58:57 this is *web*os :) Mar 22 18:59:14 ;) yes sorry correct terminology "webos" :) as palm is definitely dying :P Mar 22 18:59:15 YoungGUN, there are a few terminal app options from the webos-internals group Mar 22 18:59:30 ready to be installed via preware or palm-install or whatever Mar 22 18:59:33 check in preware Mar 22 18:59:36 with ipks up online Mar 22 18:59:54 XTerm, Terminal, Terminus Mar 22 19:00:30 but you need to have home brew for webos-internals no? Mar 22 19:00:38 no... Mar 22 19:00:40 Terminator? Mar 22 19:00:47 how do I hide my phone number .. I'm looking in phone settings right now Mar 22 19:00:56 there's no "home brew" that you have to install Mar 22 19:00:57 lol yes terminator haeffb :P Mar 22 19:01:25 do elaborate RagingMind :P sorry i just started development on the webos a few days ago, so im gonna ask a lot of questions if you dont mind Mar 22 19:01:41 just ipks and an optional (though recommended) on device management utility Mar 22 19:02:01 http://install.preware.org Mar 22 19:02:03 and of course the community that put it all together Mar 22 19:02:50 oh this seems pretty easy, development mode then just load an .ipk :) Mar 22 19:03:03 yes Mar 22 19:03:10 once you have the SDK installe Mar 22 19:03:16 s/installe/installed/ Mar 22 19:03:20 its quite easy Mar 22 19:03:40 i dont need to have it "installed" per say correct? i can just extract it like the android sdk Mar 22 19:03:55 dammit. if y'all don't quit yelling everybody how easy webOS is, we'll be overrun with developers Mar 22 19:04:03 have to have what installed? Mar 22 19:04:14 haeffb_pre: hehe Mar 22 19:04:21 the sdk, u dont really have ot install it, just extract it rather Mar 22 19:04:28 we /don't/ want that :p Mar 22 19:04:29 YoungGUN, what OS is on your computer? Mar 22 19:04:32 s/yelling/telling Mar 22 19:04:36 winblows unfortunately :/ Mar 22 19:05:14 work wont let me install linux or ubuntu :/ Mar 22 19:05:21 another option is webos quick install... it can also install the necessary drivers on your windows computer Mar 22 19:05:50 but you do need to actually install the novacom drivers to use either quick install or the palm SDK install utility Mar 22 19:05:57 i have all palm drivers ;) Mar 22 19:06:02 i load those sperately myself Mar 22 19:06:09 you have the SDK installed then? Mar 22 19:06:10 the only ones i havnt been able to find are 64 bit windows drivers Mar 22 19:06:15 no i never instlal the sdk Mar 22 19:06:17 to instlal drivers Mar 22 19:06:18 install* Mar 22 19:06:20 k... then you need the palm-install tool from the SDK or quick install Mar 22 19:06:36 and your device in dev mode... Poof! you can install preware or a terminal app of choice Mar 22 19:06:48 there is a x64 windows SDK Mar 22 19:06:50 wonderful :) dev mode, preware terminal loads winnnnnnar :P Mar 22 19:07:13 YoungGUN, there are separate drivers for devmode Mar 22 19:07:16 but patrick will the x64 windows sdk, allow for "bezzle" diag drivers to read the palm in cdma, qpst and any other "diag reading" drivers Mar 22 19:07:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 didn't understand any of that... Mar 22 19:07:44 YoungGUN, the diag drivers don't interfere with the novacom drivers Mar 22 19:07:54 usb by pass drivers Mar 22 19:07:56 any good intro to node.js on webos ? Mar 22 19:08:02 there are 0 64bit usbbypass drivers out there Mar 22 19:08:13 when the pre is in different modes it had different device ID so the OS sees it as a separate device needing different drivers Mar 22 19:08:33 y do you need a usb bypass driver? Mar 22 19:08:45 because i am taking the palm from sprint Mar 22 19:08:47 to another carrier Mar 22 19:08:53 so to program mdn and min, and to load a prl Mar 22 19:09:02 we have a program we call "studio" that allows us to interact with the diag interface Mar 22 19:09:07 and program that informatino into the palm Mar 22 19:09:25 the SDK does not have diag drivers in it for any platform Mar 22 19:09:31 i know it doesnt :P Mar 22 19:09:46 we dont use sdk to install drivers anyways :p we've got all diag drivers that we just install manually Mar 22 19:10:02 we just havent ever been able to find working 64 bit drivers, only other alternative ive seen is a virtual machine Mar 22 19:10:17 VBox's are nice Mar 22 19:10:27 not when u hvae to install it on 3500+ pcs Lo Mar 22 19:11:11 why do 3500 pcs need diag access to pres? Mar 22 19:11:22 because they flash them to other carriers :P Mar 22 19:11:43 if you're doing something that big you'd be better off talking directly to Palm (who does monitor this channel) Mar 22 19:11:45 such as metro pcs, cricket wireless and a few other "cheap" carriers Mar 22 19:12:44 well i dont think palm needs to get involved for terminal sideloading, Mar 22 19:12:49 but as far as 64 bit diag drivers goes Mar 22 19:12:54 that would be something worth interest to me Mar 22 19:13:35 terminal install is relatively trivial, the drivers bit... you'd need to find someone that could write them or contact palm. Mar 22 19:14:00 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=12139&p=61131#p61131 Mar 22 19:14:01 but I doubt they'd hand out diag drivers like that Mar 22 19:14:16 engineers are trying to fix the download number problem :) Mar 22 19:15:48 anyone know how to block there caller id on the pre ? Mar 22 19:16:00 #69 ? Mar 22 19:16:53 no like for good Mar 22 19:16:59 how come? Mar 22 19:17:46 just calliong a certain number Mar 22 19:18:07 for a certain number... Mar 22 19:18:23 but the prefix into your phone as part of the number? Mar 22 19:18:25 I would put "#69" in front of their number stored in your contacts Mar 22 19:18:57 not sure if it works, but on my computer systems a , = a 1 second pause, so that the prefix has time to work it's magic Mar 22 19:19:05 *on most Mar 22 19:23:51 * PatrickC_Pre2 is sooooo tired.. yet he has a baseball game to coach at 3:30 Mar 22 19:28:02 so RagingMind or PatrickC_Pre2, cursious question, my company only loads a custom firmware/rom to byapss activation, any quick or fancy tricks to doing that without custom firmware? Mar 22 19:28:18 Meta Doctor :) Mar 22 19:28:29 lemme grab a link for u Mar 22 19:28:31 PatrickC_Pre2, you should read the meta doctor Mar 22 19:28:44 I have/and I've used it Mar 22 19:29:03 when it bypasses the activation you don't get any access to cell network stuff Mar 22 19:29:20 devicetool.jar Mar 22 19:29:23 we do once we load terminal and connect the palm in diag mode ragingmind Mar 22 19:29:29 yeah we use devicetool.jar Mar 22 19:29:30 atm Mar 22 19:29:40 wasnt sure if there wasn an easier way :P i know its pretty easy by webos standards Mar 22 19:29:42 it does NOT help in trying to get pres running on networks that they weren't designed for Mar 22 19:29:53 terminal does raging :P Mar 22 19:29:53 true... Mar 22 19:29:58 terminal allows us to read the palm Mar 22 19:30:01 which allows us to program it :) Mar 22 19:30:06 once its programmed were off to the races. Mar 22 19:30:25 you can go in and change some scripts... I think.. Mar 22 19:30:28 maybe Mar 22 19:30:39 that would be more a question for #webos-internals Mar 22 19:31:22 PatrickC_Pre2, and if he asks there or any time when certain people are watching he'll be textually eaten for lunch Mar 22 19:31:46 but they can answer better then here Mar 22 19:31:57 *head desk* Mar 22 19:32:01 lol Mar 22 19:32:04 lol yeah Mar 22 19:32:09 unfortunately some of the questions i ask Mar 22 19:32:20 are definitely boarder line Mar 22 19:32:24 can be answered with Google ;) Mar 22 19:32:33 hehe :) google can only answer so much. Mar 22 19:32:34 PatrickC_Pre2, my point is that whether or not someone could help him, they are not likely to Mar 22 19:33:01 but they may... or they may just give him a lmgtfy link Mar 22 19:33:55 getting terminal installed is one thing, but using meta doc to unlock pres... I really doubt rwhitby would take that lightly, I may be wrong though Mar 22 19:34:14 we arent "unlocking" them persay, as far as gsm unlocking goes Mar 22 19:34:24 just switching the carrier, depending on ur definition of "unlocking" is Mar 22 19:34:36 well... using meta-doc to bypass activation Mar 22 19:34:39 switching carriers... that qualifies Mar 22 19:35:01 PatrickC_Pre2, meta doc does that so that devs have an easy way to use the device wifi-only Mar 22 19:35:07 we use java jar all the time to bypass activation Mar 22 19:35:38 ragingmind: I forgot... does it disable the radio... Mar 22 19:35:44 YoungGUN, that's the method provided my Palm for getting around it, probably the most reliable one at that Mar 22 19:36:05 so just use device jar to bypass activation, then use webos doctor to inject terminal.ipk Mar 22 19:36:16 or would u say preware would be easier then webos quickinstaller? Mar 22 19:36:17 YoungGUN: yeah, devicetool is probably the easiest way really. I mean, it doesn't get much easier than booting the pre into recovery mode and double clicking on a jar file, right? Mar 22 19:36:35 :P destinal you'd be surprised how easy android bypasses are Mar 22 19:36:42 tap top left top right bottom left bottom right of the screen :P Mar 22 19:37:07 so much harder than webos... Mar 22 19:37:14 lOl i know :P Mar 22 19:37:23 naw the devicetools.jar is cool :) i dont mind doing that Mar 22 19:37:23 the new version of webos it can be done on-device Mar 22 19:37:31 but for 1.4.5 you need an external tool Mar 22 19:37:33 ive just been trying to figure out a faster way to inject terminal Mar 22 19:37:36 actually I have a droid eris I use that unlocks just taht way Mar 22 19:37:36 rather then doing a custom firmware Mar 22 19:37:40 YoungGUN: I'm not sure I'd use terminal though, you could just use novaterm to get a shell on the device, right? Mar 22 19:37:48 thats what pandora-- was saying Mar 22 19:37:52 but novaterm isnt windows friendly Mar 22 19:37:58 and unfortunately all 3500+ customers of mine Mar 22 19:38:00 use winblows Mar 22 19:38:12 YoungGUN: there's a version of novaterm on the webos-internals.org wiki Mar 22 19:38:12 dont feel like installing putty or a virtual machine on that many pcs Mar 22 19:38:13 Um... novaterm is plenty windows friendly Mar 22 19:38:15 for windows Mar 22 19:38:18 most devs are on windows Mar 22 19:38:46 there are 64 bit drivers for nova term provided by palm... just not diag drivers Mar 22 19:38:49 oh really? pandora-- was saying novaterm doesnt work on windows Mar 22 19:38:59 yeah unfortunately we cant support 64 bit machines at this time Mar 22 19:39:07 just due to palm never making a diag driver for that system Mar 22 19:39:17 I've used novaterm on w7 x64 Mar 22 19:39:41 PatrickC_Pre2 i ment diag :P not novaterm Mar 22 19:39:44 YoungGUN: there are 64 bit novacom drivers for windows included in webos doctor and also included in the SDK Mar 22 19:39:54 YoungGUN: how do you mean diag? Mar 22 19:40:02 what's that Mar 22 19:40:07 yeah that's what the palm docs say, about windows/novaterm Mar 22 19:40:12 destinal, setting the usb passthrough Mar 22 19:40:16 i'm not in windows, so i can't confirm the docs accuracy Mar 22 19:40:17 ahh Mar 22 19:40:19 Discconnect your Palm from the PC. After it powers on, go to all the apps(on main screen, tap the up arrow) and open up the TERMINAL APP. Then type in "mpt x" (without the quotes) then ENTER. After mpt x, you should see Passthrough disabled. Then type in "mpt d" (without the quotes) and then press ENTER and you should see passthrough enabled. Then plug in phone :D Mar 22 19:40:21 is what we do Mar 22 19:40:25 to get the palm reading in diag mode Mar 22 19:40:29 with our current drivers and custom firmware Mar 22 19:40:34 1.4.5 and 1.4.1 firmware Mar 22 19:40:41 YoungGUN: ok, that makes sense Mar 22 19:40:55 ive just been trying to find a faster way to install a terminal.ipk rather then doing firmware Mar 22 19:40:58 since firmware takes ages Mar 22 19:40:59 you could *not* use novaterm for that Mar 22 19:41:10 isn't there a way to make the usbpass app "visible"? Mar 22 19:41:17 yeah ##usbbypass# Mar 22 19:41:18 cause diag mode disables novacom Mar 22 19:41:39 PatrickC_Pre2, there's a patch, but installing terminal is faster Mar 22 19:41:49 ah ok Mar 22 19:42:16 so we are all in agreement my best option would be quickinstaller right? Mar 22 19:42:39 it quickly installes the .ipk :) Mar 22 19:43:01 wonderful :) im gonna sit down and figure this out Mar 22 19:43:11 YoungGUN: you could do novacom run file://bin/sh -c 'mpt x; mpt d' Mar 22 19:43:16 figure what out? Mar 22 19:43:29 err novacom run file:///bin/sh -c 'mpt x; mpt d' Mar 22 19:43:38 one more slash needed at the beginning there Mar 22 19:44:25 destinal: you are so smart :D Mar 22 19:44:27 lol Mar 22 19:48:17 hay rsanches1 Mar 22 19:48:39 hey Patrick_Pre2 Mar 22 19:48:57 wb haeffb_pre Mar 22 19:49:14 does anyone know if you can save data to Mojo.Depot while an app is closing? Mar 22 19:49:32 I'm trying to do so, but it doesn't trigger either the success callback or the failure callback on Mojo.Depot.add Mar 22 19:49:36 no you cannot Mar 22 19:49:46 darn Mar 22 19:50:06 do you have a workaround you recommend? Mar 22 19:50:10 its async, so app is close before the db commit completes Mar 22 19:50:24 how much data? Mar 22 19:50:39 not much, probably not exceeding 1KB Mar 22 19:50:55 it's just a small array of objects Mar 22 19:50:57 save to a cookie, then to depot Mar 22 19:51:28 onSuccess of depot, delete the cookie Mar 22 19:51:47 on app launch, if cookie exists, save to depot Mar 22 19:51:51 hmm, for that I might as well save to cookie instead Mar 22 19:51:59 that's one option Mar 22 19:52:02 skip depot altogether Mar 22 19:52:08 is there a size limit for cookies? Mar 22 19:52:14 yup Mar 22 19:52:43 4K Mar 22 19:52:43 other option is to update depot as soon as data is modified Mar 22 19:53:18 now there's an Evo3D.... Mar 22 19:53:24 hmm, I don't think the cookie option would work well though, since I might have to save more than 4K data Mar 22 19:53:33 I'll probably update depot on the fly then Mar 22 19:53:35 other option is to launch a dashboard stage to save data...but that gets a bit complicated Mar 22 19:53:52 PatrickC_Pre2: yeahhhhh Mar 22 19:53:55 I'm trying to get it to save data when all stages close in a multistage app Mar 22 19:53:57 evo3d looks sweeeeeeeeeeeet Mar 22 19:54:09 how dare u..... Mar 22 19:54:17 * PatrickC_Pre2 slaps pandora-- on the hand Mar 22 19:54:29 noooooooo Mar 22 19:54:30 * pandora-- wants it Mar 22 19:54:35 but it does look nice :) Mar 22 19:54:44 I would rather have the Pre3 over that though Mar 22 19:54:49 Android..... ewwwwww Mar 22 19:55:20 i would rather have almost anything that WASNT SPRINT Mar 22 19:55:38 dkirker: ping Mar 22 19:55:38 I would rather have a Pre3 with a Nintendo 3DS than an Evo 3D Mar 22 19:55:45 I wonder if they have the same battery life problem as nintend Mar 22 19:55:46 same here Mar 22 19:55:48 PatrickC_Pre2: pong Mar 22 19:55:53 pre3 is gonna crash and burn in fire and flames! Mar 22 19:56:00 when I click on a link in Facebook Mar 22 19:56:08 it opens in the stock browser..... Mar 22 19:56:20 joeb_ how dare u?! Mar 22 19:56:22 yeah, because the Facebook app directly launches the stock browser Mar 22 19:56:32 * PatrickC_Pre2 slaps joeb_ on the hand Mar 22 19:56:34 ah ok Mar 22 19:56:42 sounds as much fun as using gnome apps in kde Mar 22 19:57:16 now there's an Evo View 4G Mar 22 19:57:22 it has some nice specs Mar 22 19:57:22 :'( Mar 22 19:57:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't like admitting that about HTC Mar 22 19:58:23 use a droid eris ;) Mar 22 19:58:43 1.5GHz, 1GB Ram, 32GB internal storage, MicroSD, 4G... Mar 22 19:58:47 * PatrickC_Pre2 cries Mar 22 19:59:16 loudergood, how do you sleep at night knowing there isn't a pre next to your head???? Mar 22 20:00:42 4000mAh battery... that's what the Pre needs ;) Mar 22 20:02:19 haha no Mar 22 20:02:30 and why not? Mar 22 20:02:32 the droid eris is my lucky dev phone Mar 22 20:02:47 an idiot sold it to me for $25 Mar 22 20:03:10 it sits next to my pre2, and the pre+ goes in my pocket Mar 22 20:04:59 and if I'm feeling crazy I try to get android apps running on my nook Mar 22 20:06:02 it would go all day then :) Mar 22 20:06:04 g2g Mar 22 20:07:47 is the Evo View single-core 1.5GHz or dual-core? Mar 22 20:10:23 does it run webos? Mar 22 20:11:27 no, my nook does not... Mar 22 20:11:45 alright, I think that I have a work around created for my testers. :) Mar 22 20:14:34 * thomaschaaf is back from gym Mar 22 20:15:56 is Adora here? My app is not showing up in the exhibition app catalog Mar 22 20:21:37 any patch writers on here today? Mar 22 20:23:59 hey spdsktr. how's things? Mar 22 20:24:21 haeffb_pre: good good, just another busy day Mar 22 20:24:53 best kind. I hate the ones that drag by Mar 22 20:25:24 actually looking forward to things calming down and taking a break Mar 22 20:25:50 but I'm having an issue using palm-install with a Palm app, keeps restarting emulator Mar 22 20:26:15 more specifically, the phone app. trying to write a quick patch Mar 22 20:53:43 who would like to be notified with new reviews via mail? Mar 22 21:00:43 this is why webOS needs a mascot Mar 22 21:00:49 we will get burried if this keeps up Mar 22 21:00:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUwqxHpXMY&feature=player_embedded Mar 22 21:00:53 oy Mar 22 21:05:44 how is that android moving so quickly? Mar 22 21:05:48 it boggles the mind! Mar 22 21:07:32 just imagine that thing running behind you down the street... Mar 22 21:07:56 it's clearly overclocked Mar 22 21:10:05 nah no overclocking needed with new androids Mar 22 21:10:10 they come with the horse power Mar 22 21:10:45 next you're going to tell me that noone overclocks i7 cpus Mar 22 21:11:25 no I didnt say no one does Mar 22 21:11:41 :) Mar 22 21:12:00 now your droid eris Mar 22 21:12:04 thats a different story Mar 22 21:18:19 actually the latest gingerbread build I have on it isn't that bad Mar 22 21:18:34 though I do wonder if that doesn't overclock it by default Mar 22 21:18:46 * Loudergood hates that about the android ecosystem Mar 22 21:20:03 * oilsworkn looks at channel name to make he sure he didn't join #android on accident :/ Mar 22 21:20:14 :) Mar 22 21:21:29 I dont think petrochemicals are allowed in the android channel Mar 22 21:22:05 * oilsworkn doesn't want to go there anyways Mar 22 21:22:13 * oilsworkn doesn't go backwards Mar 22 21:22:53 Ah ok then you must be here by mistake Mar 22 21:22:59 Android overclocks by default?? Mar 22 21:23:01 ;) Mar 22 21:23:10 rsanchez1 I think he meant a custom rom Mar 22 21:23:22 oh, custom rom overclocks by default Mar 22 21:24:12 yeah and I dont think he knows Mar 22 21:24:37 he prob didnt read what the dev did building the rom, I think he went "OOOO new rom, must install" Mar 22 21:24:44 ;) Mar 22 21:28:11 gah, the app catalog won't load on my Pre 2 Mar 22 21:28:48 Eh my pre2 wont either, though palm doesnt support 2.0 on sprint Mar 22 21:29:13 lol, yeah I skimmed it, but I was really more concerned about just getting something running to see what it was like.. Mar 22 21:29:16 Will be moving to att soon so will swap the comboard again and use a default doctor I hope Mar 22 21:29:27 yeah, but it always loaded before Mar 22 21:29:32 and it was a month ago or so, and I've forgotten the details Mar 22 21:29:43 I did that with my nookcolor Mar 22 21:29:48 skimmed the rom Mar 22 21:29:53 then installed :) Mar 22 21:30:16 review2mail is coming together great.. got all the basics together now I just need to make some logic and it pretty for y'all Mar 22 21:31:47 * oilsworkn joins #android and starts talking about webos Mar 22 21:32:23 ok, now the catalog is working after a reboot Mar 22 21:46:21 I have 0 facebook credits and THEY EXPIRE SOON Mar 22 21:46:35 does that mean I will have infinite credits? Mar 22 21:48:38 or negative ones... Mar 22 21:48:48 screw them Mar 22 21:49:58 if your credits are set to expire soon, and there are no credits to expire, do they make a sound? Mar 22 21:50:06 just write them an invoice :) Mar 22 21:53:43 http://blogs.kcrw.com/musicnews/2011/03/kcrw-exclusive-stream-m83-remix-of-daft-punk%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cfall%E2%80%9D-from-tron-legacy/ Mar 22 21:56:50 anyone know how to change ur msl? trying to do ##usbbypass tells me invalid msl ? Mar 22 21:56:51 odd no? Mar 22 21:57:09 you cant change it Mar 22 21:57:17 but you can call sprint and try and convince them to give it to you Mar 22 21:57:19 well i can definitely change it Mar 22 21:57:24 but not without usbbypass going through Mar 22 21:57:30 still waiting on the background check... I'm only a little bit nervous, and too excited!!! Mar 22 22:34:57 sugardave, I knew someone that had infinite credits in a cafeteria Mar 22 22:37:38 CTLAdvance: I can access the app catalog on my Sprint Pre2 Mar 22 22:50:05 hey everyone Mar 22 22:50:11 hey Tibfib Mar 22 22:50:21 SineOt: howdy! Mar 22 22:50:50 hi Tibfib! Mar 22 22:51:16 hola! Mar 22 22:52:01 I was going to show you Preware on drugs, but Dropbox is barfing right now! Mar 22 22:52:07 So I can't get a link for you Mar 22 22:53:40 Tibfib: kotoplayer is now 2.x only in the catalog.. Mar 22 22:53:48 correct Mar 22 22:54:06 it wont let me download my update so I have a motivation to go and redoctor Mar 22 22:54:21 oh really> Mar 22 22:54:21 ? Mar 22 22:54:25 I thought it would let you update Mar 22 22:54:37 I've got one of the early vzw pre+ 2.1 conversions Mar 22 22:54:44 with the 1.4.5 profile Mar 22 22:55:01 so I'm going to redo it Mar 22 22:55:01 ah yeah Mar 22 22:55:13 you'd probably want to do it eventually Mar 22 22:57:24 I was going to wait till 2.1 came out for vzw Pre2 to get those (potentially) updated packages Mar 22 22:57:46 but I figure... they are packages I can just install them separate later Mar 22 23:05:16 anyone around? :P Mar 22 23:05:38 Hum… I think having a 1.4.5 device to dev on would be more handy than a Franken2.1 device Mar 22 23:06:03 anyone here use Nova-Browser? Mar 22 23:06:11 SineOt: why not both? Mar 22 23:06:21 destinal you uver use nova-browser? Mar 22 23:06:25 why not both? Mar 22 23:06:30 I have used it Mar 22 23:06:34 loudergood Mar 22 23:06:38 do u know where .ipks are stored? Mar 22 23:06:49 i tried pushing a .ipk to usr-palm-applications Mar 22 23:06:50 lol no Mar 22 23:06:51 but the .ipk doesnt show up Mar 22 23:07:21 YoungGUNNER: you're thinking apk and android, ipk is totally different Mar 22 23:07:22 destinal: because the only other option I have is my heavily patched + over clocked 1.4.5 Pixi Mar 22 23:07:32 you are absolutely correct destinal Mar 22 23:07:41 but shouldnt i be able to just add the .ipk to the apps folder Mar 22 23:07:42 and have it show up? Mar 22 23:07:51 yeah, you 1) don't push them like that, 2) the .ipk doesn't exist after the application is installed Mar 22 23:08:05 YoungGUNNER: nope, you need to install them with an ipk tool such as the one on the device Mar 22 23:08:10 no, that's why we told you to either get the SDK and use palm-install or to use webOS Quick Install the first time you were around Mar 22 23:08:11 :p Mar 22 23:08:21 sine0t :P i got the sdk Mar 22 23:08:27 and inside of it it had nova-browser Mar 22 23:08:29 then use palm-install Mar 22 23:08:31 so i was just seeing if i could use that Mar 22 23:08:31 YoungGUNNER: or if it's an app, you can do palm-install Mar 22 23:08:45 like everyone was saying the first time Mar 22 23:08:46 people keep telling me about that command for command prompt palm-install namehere.ipk Mar 22 23:08:52 but what folder do i have to navigate my cmd promopt to? Mar 22 23:08:58 androids is the tools folder of the sdk Mar 22 23:09:00 since it uses adb Mar 22 23:09:06 YoungGUN, are you familiar with ubuntu or debian? Mar 22 23:09:09 YoungGUNNER: it's typically alreadfy in your path Mar 22 23:09:40 ragingmind unfortunately im just now a ubuntu virgin :P Mar 22 23:09:56 YoungGUNNER: I worry about your company if they put you in charge of handling all this and you can't spend the 5 minutes on Google figuring this all out yourself Mar 22 23:09:59 YoungGUNNER: have you read Palm's SDK documentation? Mar 22 23:10:00 YoungGUN, no biggie I was just gonna make a correlation Mar 22 23:10:14 YoungGUNNER: all of this is walked through in detail Mar 22 23:10:26 destinal a bit here and there but im not sure i have the right webos sdk? Mar 22 23:10:34 ive got palm webos sdk but its only got "shortcuts" in it Mar 22 23:10:36 YoungGUN, you don't need to be in any specific directory for palm-install, just point it to the right ipk, and when a pre is connected it knows where to put it already Mar 22 23:10:43 otherone is webos PDK ? Mar 22 23:10:51 wonderful raging :) Mar 22 23:10:52 let me try that Mar 22 23:10:55 you don't need the pdk Mar 22 23:10:56 http://developer.palm.com/ top of the page, can't miss it Mar 22 23:11:04 RagingMind does it have to be in nova com mode right? Mar 22 23:11:07 in device manager Mar 22 23:11:11 you just need the palm-install tool in your path, and on windows... not sure how to do that Mar 22 23:11:23 RagingMind: the installer puts it in path Mar 22 23:11:30 YoungGUNNER: why are you the one in charge of this :c Mar 22 23:11:36 YoungGUNNER, yes it has to be devmode (novacom) Mar 22 23:12:48 okay raging let me try that Mar 22 23:12:55 sineot Mar 22 23:13:15 unfortunately im the only one whos capable of comprehending this... Mar 22 23:13:18 even though im not a palmer :P Mar 22 23:13:21 or i should say "weboser" Mar 22 23:14:35 okay Mar 22 23:14:39 so palm-install blahblahblah Mar 22 23:14:41 worked it says Mar 22 23:15:05 do i need to restart for it to show? Mar 22 23:15:09 no Mar 22 23:15:23 it'll show at the bottom of the first page of the launcher Mar 22 23:15:27 usually it shows up at the end of the list after a few seconds Mar 22 23:16:01 C:\Users\Flashtotalk>palm-install C:\Users\Flashtotalk\Desktop\term.ipk Mar 22 23:16:01 installing package C:\Users\Flashtotalk\Desktop\term.ipk on device "pixie-linux Mar 22 23:16:01 {4365726f08e35b9299872c0d7b378f8b607f17c2} usb 53190 Mar 22 23:16:03 look right? Mar 22 23:16:50 yes Mar 22 23:16:57 that looks right as long as term.ipk is pixi compatable Mar 22 23:17:16 it should... its dual compatable Mar 22 23:17:25 atleast the 1 i have works in our software Mar 22 23:17:45 firmware* Mar 22 23:18:07 so what exactly does your firmware do? Mar 22 23:18:16 just bypasses activation and loads terminal :P Mar 22 23:18:21 so we can read it in diag mode Mar 22 23:19:24 so RagingMind..just call any number? Mar 22 23:19:26 anyway to check if my term.ipk is comptatalbe? Mar 22 23:19:32 can i send it someone if need be Mar 22 23:19:36 Loudergood, yeah Mar 22 23:19:56 a real one... like if you have another phone on hand Mar 22 23:20:13 I don't, but I know a number with a recorded message Mar 22 23:20:26 Loudergood, did you get to the dialer? Mar 22 23:20:29 lol louder u can call my phone if u need to Mar 22 23:21:24 RagingMind: all I had to do was click on emergency call and delete 911 Mar 22 23:21:48 yeah we do that to bypass activation lounder :) Mar 22 23:21:49 louder* Mar 22 23:21:50 Loudergood, I was always afraid to hit emergency cause then I thought it might dial... heh Mar 22 23:22:04 thats how we are able to run device jar on our palms Mar 22 23:22:15 sweet! Background check cleared! Mar 22 23:22:31 * YoungGUN claps for dkirker Mar 22 23:22:45 YoungGUN, as long as you OWN and have permission to redistribute the ipk some brave soul could test it for you, but I'm not installing random things on my pre/pixi, heh Mar 22 23:23:10 ;) completely understandable, well since the preware is freeware i believe, any chance someone can upload a working terminal.ipk? Mar 22 23:23:25 for the pixi plus Mar 22 23:24:10 there are already ones in the feed Mar 22 23:24:17 feed? Mar 22 23:24:27 I installed the terminal app on my BF's pixi this morning when I was playing around Mar 22 23:24:36 im not able to access preware until i get my data connection working raging :) Mar 22 23:24:46 so i cant access preware until i can get to my data programming Mar 22 23:24:49 which i need terminal for :P Mar 22 23:24:54 the default/standard preware feeds, I think webos quick install taps into them as well Mar 22 23:25:08 yes Mar 22 23:25:10 preware works over wifi, and you can manually download the ipks Mar 22 23:25:18 that too Mar 22 23:25:38 yeah but isnt it harder Mar 22 23:25:40 to pull an ipk off a palm Mar 22 23:25:43 then it is to load it? Mar 22 23:25:46 no... Mar 22 23:25:48 its not as easy as androids :X Mar 22 23:25:52 not pulling it off a palm Mar 22 23:25:56 where we can just drag and drop the file Mar 22 23:26:02 downloading the ipk from the internet Mar 22 23:26:10 yeah through preware right RagingMind? Mar 22 23:26:16 or just in general downloading the ipk? Mar 22 23:26:21 from the free and open preware feeds, through http in your web browser Mar 22 23:27:00 you just run ar on the Pre to rebuild the ipk, or copy the whole app dir and palm-package it Mar 22 23:27:11 but I'd suggest quick install if you wanna go that way, cause sometimes ipks depend on each other and you can make a bit of a mess Mar 22 23:27:28 well my problem is i cant locate ipks :P Mar 22 23:27:34 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ Mar 22 23:27:37 have fun Mar 22 23:27:43 GO NUTS! Mar 22 23:27:55 okay ;) now to my next question Mar 22 23:27:58 im assuming arm6 and arm7 Mar 22 23:28:00 are processors? Mar 22 23:28:13 si Mar 22 23:28:14 yeah, 6 = pixi, 7 = pre/pre2 Mar 22 23:28:15 and im assuming arm6's are palm pre's and arm7's are pixi pluses? or pixis Mar 22 23:28:23 ahhh pre gets the 7 pixi get the 6 Mar 22 23:28:24 :) Mar 22 23:28:39 im gonna give this terminal.0.3.0arm6 a try :) lets see how it does Mar 22 23:29:11 * sugardave replaces it with decaf. Mar 22 23:30:36 woohoo :D Mar 22 23:30:40 * YoungGUN runs around in excitement Mar 22 23:30:42 terminal ^_^ Mar 22 23:33:11 thanks guys for all your help :) much appreciated Mar 22 23:40:50 So, that makes tomorrow my first day at HP/Palm! :) Mar 22 23:40:53 //This is the comment that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started reading it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue reading it forever just because this is the comment that doesn't end Mar 22 23:41:01 nice! Mar 22 23:41:02 dkirker: congrats!! Mar 22 23:41:09 thanks! Mar 22 23:41:30 I'll be a work-tohire contractor, so I still have to show my worthiness, but it will be exciting! :D Mar 22 23:44:37 rawr :D Mar 22 23:44:43 ... Mar 22 23:45:02 congrats dkirker :D Mar 22 23:45:04 best wishes to you mate ;) Mar 22 23:45:06 thanks! Mar 22 23:45:17 whats all the congrats about Mar 22 23:45:32 he got hired at palm/hp Mar 22 23:45:34 as a contractor Mar 22 23:45:37 ftw Mar 22 23:45:44 oh wow dkirker Mar 22 23:45:51 grats dkirker Mar 22 23:45:55 thanks! Mar 22 23:46:12 dkirker: your our inside scoop now ? Mar 22 23:46:20 haha Mar 22 23:46:21 no Mar 22 23:46:39 awh :( Mar 22 23:46:47 no uber secret leaks? Mar 22 23:47:10 i dobut they'd leak uber secret info to a contractor anyways ( no offenase to you ) :P Mar 22 23:47:21 and I should also remind everyone that discussion of NDA'd material is strictly prohibited in this chat room. (Sorry, needed the "disclaimer".) Mar 22 23:47:53 lol Mar 22 23:47:55 i never signed an nda :P Mar 22 23:47:56 oh wow Mar 22 23:47:59 already started Mar 22 23:48:00 :D Mar 22 23:48:09 so technically :P we dont have to agree to ur nda Mar 22 23:48:10 dkirker: they monitoring your chats ? Mar 22 23:48:17 they monitor this channel joeb Mar 22 23:48:17 :P Mar 22 23:48:17 well done dkirker Mar 22 23:48:29 whatcha doin? Mar 22 23:48:46 joeb_: Let's just say that this is a public chat room, and it is logged (which are available and searchable here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/) Mar 22 23:48:48 for all we know dkirker could be the new janitor at palm Mar 22 23:48:49 j/k Mar 22 23:48:54 haha Mar 22 23:48:54 hehehe Mar 22 23:49:00 heh Mar 22 23:49:01 Draecos: thanks! Mar 22 23:49:49 I have an interview icebreaker like that about when I worked for IBM Mar 22 23:50:28 everyone always gets so interested, and then I drop the bomb on them that I worked on the loading dock there right after HS Mar 22 23:51:07 hehehe Mar 23 00:04:55 i just stumbled across this is the 2.1 messaging app CSS: .skype-search-button { Mar 23 00:04:55 :D Mar 23 00:05:11 nice Mar 23 00:05:23 verizon? Mar 23 00:05:27 SDK Mar 23 00:05:49 I knw Mar 23 00:06:04 err. I *know. But.. do you think for verizon? Mar 23 00:06:58 oh oh, could be. hopefully for everyone or at least sprint too Mar 23 00:07:15 yeah that'd be awesome Mar 23 00:07:23 anyone here familar with nv files? Mar 23 00:12:36 nope Mar 23 00:13:07 dkirker: congrats! my plan is working Mar 23 00:13:46 evil genius plan sugardave ? Mar 23 00:14:01 are there other kinds? Mar 23 00:14:07 true Mar 23 00:14:34 sugardave: I am glad to hear it!! Mar 23 00:17:47 * sugardave fears dkirker doesn't understand the plan. "See, you get hired first. Then, you arrange it so that I am then hired." Mar 23 00:18:12 haha Mar 23 00:18:18 * dkirker kinda figured that :P Mar 23 00:18:23 we're halfway there! Mar 23 00:18:35 sugardave: do you have any node.js experience with Palm services? Mar 23 00:18:42 VERY little Mar 23 00:18:53 I can't seem to get this little http server to run :( Mar 23 00:18:55 like sample converted to answer on tcp/80 Mar 23 00:19:08 that is useful! Mar 23 00:19:18 dkirker: are you trying to use Ajax.Request against an http stream? Mar 23 00:19:45 Well, my plan was to create a node.js http server to serve up topsites to Universe, internally. Mar 23 00:20:08 I *could* create a top sites scene, but I thought that this way would be a little more cute. :) Mar 23 00:20:24 sure, but how are you trying to contact the stream/service? Mar 23 00:20:32 ewbview Mar 23 00:20:34 *webview Mar 23 00:20:53 oh, I see....I wonder how webview does it Mar 23 00:21:08 Ajaxz.Request always failed to make the http stream answer the initial connection while straight up xhr worked just fine Mar 23 00:21:12 it was weird Mar 23 00:21:58 I can send you my stuff that uses net/tcp instead of http stream Mar 23 00:22:06 what do you guys use for turn-by-turn navigation?? Mar 23 00:22:21 sugardave: That would be helpful! Thanks! Mar 23 00:22:22 it will take awhile, I have to get connected to that machine and ssh is being blocked at this hotel for some reason Mar 23 00:22:34 ok, no worries. Mar 23 00:22:36 dkirker: CONGRATS! Mar 23 00:22:48 That's awesome! Mar 23 00:22:54 thanks Tibfib! Mar 23 00:23:20 gonna keep working on universe? :) Mar 23 00:23:33 I hope so Mar 23 00:23:36 * oil cracks whip Mar 23 00:23:41 I've put so much energy into it Mar 23 00:24:00 oh YOURE the guy working on universe?! Mar 23 00:24:09 i'm gonna be all over that when i get my pixi plus :) Mar 23 00:24:10 yes! Mar 23 00:24:15 alright :) Mar 23 00:24:49 wait Mar 23 00:24:57 didnt twitter already switch to oauth? Mar 23 00:25:16 I think so. Mar 23 00:25:24 what the hell is P|C talking about then? Mar 23 00:25:33 http://www.precentral.net/get-free-pre-plus-helping-update-spaz Mar 23 00:26:08 I thought that was an old article? Mar 23 00:26:13 it is Mar 23 00:26:16 Like, 2010 old article... Mar 23 00:26:18 i know, why is it dated for today? Mar 23 00:26:23 bug? Mar 23 00:26:27 dunnos Mar 23 00:26:50 nervous about turn-by-turn nav on the pixi plus, i don't want to pay for vz navigator, and i hear navit kinda sucks Mar 23 00:27:14 spiffyfitz_, theres a homebrew one that i think works on pixi Mar 23 00:27:28 navit is kinda, meh... Mar 23 00:27:46 I believe that NDrive (?) is creating one, but I am not sure how that will work on the pIxi, if at all Mar 23 00:28:20 i use my droid x a lot for turn-by-turn… so the only good navigation app that webOS users have is the carrier app? Mar 23 00:28:35 that's kind of a huge bummer Mar 23 00:29:25 i wouldn't mind a one-time paid app for $5 or whatever Mar 23 00:30:07 doubt youll find it Mar 23 00:30:44 looking at the ndrive twitter feed, webos's version is due in a week "or so" Mar 23 00:31:43 that sounds good, as long as it works on the pixi… i saw a youtube video of it working on the original pre minus Mar 23 00:31:50 pixi plus*** Mar 23 00:32:40 then again i could always tether the droid x mounted to my dash to my pixi+ Mar 23 00:34:08 why would u do that Mar 23 00:34:12 when ur dx can do it fo ryou?: Mar 23 00:34:16 why attach it to ur pixi? Mar 23 00:34:24 because it won't have any data access on the road Mar 23 00:34:33 u can hotspot ur pixi? Mar 23 00:34:33 i'm switching from droid x to pixi+ Mar 23 00:34:43 hotspot ur pixi Mar 23 00:34:48 and use ur dx as a no car navigation Mar 23 00:34:51 in* Mar 23 00:35:33 i hate the dx for everything except navigation Mar 23 00:36:10 aghhhhh gotta go the buffalo sabres game is back on Mar 23 00:46:41 dkirker: congrats! just saw your tweet. Mar 23 00:47:03 How can I make a list selector pop up when the user taps an image in my scene? Mar 23 00:48:57 popupSubMenu() Mar 23 00:53:36 I can't use a list selector that I already have made in my app? Mar 23 00:56:58 you could probably use the same choices array Mar 23 00:57:48 haeffb: thanks! Mar 23 00:58:59 well the code I'm using in the handler for the list selector tap isn't working when I put it in a different handler. It doesn't seem to have any paramters from the handler it's in though so it should work... Mar 23 00:59:13 parameters* Mar 23 00:59:52 haeffb: care to replicate it? Mar 23 01:00:01 (here) Mar 23 01:00:12 eh? Mar 23 01:01:50 twbbas: don't understand what you're trying to say...? Mar 23 01:03:36 http://pastebin.com/WWLeKudM is the code for my list selector handler Mar 23 01:04:29 I'm trying to make it pop up the list selector in a different handler that is when the user taps on an image. When I transfer the code from the list selector handler to the image tap handler, it doesn't work. I don't see where any parameters are needed for the code in the list selector handler. Mar 23 01:09:35 how would you pop up the list selector? Mar 23 01:11:07 are you wanting the tap on the image to just call noticeUpdatedItems() ? Mar 23 01:11:36 hi guys i need help :S Mar 23 01:12:12 Jake_M: the first step is admitting you have a problem Mar 23 01:12:40 yes Mar 23 01:12:41 lol Mar 23 01:12:55 haeffb: listPrices.mojo.noticeUpdatedItems(0, stores[this.selectormodel.value]); pops it up, right? and that line seems to only work inside the handler function. Mar 23 01:13:15 twbbas: no, that does not pop it up Mar 23 01:13:39 the handler function is called AFTER you tap on an item in the listSelector Mar 23 01:13:55 haeffb: ohhh! no wonder... Mar 23 01:14:07 okay i'm using Ares, and right now i have like 7 radio buttons, and i want to retrieve the values from the radio buttons, put it in the "text" parameter for email, and send it. right now i can't figure out how to get the values for the buttons, and if i do try, it won't let me launch the email thing unless theres just a string there or something Mar 23 01:14:26 haeffb: (I'm looking at my brother's code btw, trying to fix his problem with the user having to tap on the text of the list selector to pop it up) Mar 23 01:15:16 Jake_M: how do you get the value of the radio button in Ares? Mar 23 01:15:40 twbbas: that's how listSelectors work. you tap on them to get them to pop up. Mar 23 01:15:47 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1927 i guess... Mar 23 01:16:12 haeffb: So there isn't a way to "fake" a user's tap on the selector? I'd have to just use the popupSubmenu( Mar 23 01:16:29 Jake_M: yeah, but Ares is a little different, I think Mar 23 01:16:31 oops hit enter too early... I'd have to just use the popupSubmenu()? Mar 23 01:16:44 twbbas: that's how I would do it. Mar 23 01:16:53 haeffb: Alrighty. Thanks. Mar 23 01:17:09 thats what tibfib said. in Ares for radio buttons, theres an option for: ontap, onhold, onholdend, and onchange Mar 23 01:17:13 i THINK its onchange Mar 23 01:17:24 like onchange: getValue() or something Mar 23 01:17:53 you don't need event Mar 23 01:17:54 s Mar 23 01:18:04 you need to be able to grab the value when you want Mar 23 01:18:04 well, the radio buttons should have a model.value even in ares. It's just a matter of accessing it when you need the data Mar 23 01:18:13 what haeffb said :) Mar 23 01:18:34 right i just don't know HOW to grab the value, because you said its different..? Mar 23 01:18:57 this.myRadioButtonModel.value Mar 23 01:18:58 ? Mar 23 01:19:12 do the radio buttons have a model? Mar 23 01:19:17 yes Mar 23 01:19:31 do you have access to the model thru a variable name? Mar 23 01:19:35 text: ''+this.radioButton2.value(), Mar 23 01:19:37 thats what i currently have Mar 23 01:19:57 do you get anything from that? Mar 23 01:20:03 when i press the button Mar 23 01:20:06 it doesn't open the email thing Mar 23 01:20:10 * haeffb needs to learn Ares someday Mar 23 01:20:24 no i just need to learn real code Mar 23 01:20:24 lol Mar 23 01:20:46 regardless, nothing happens Mar 23 01:20:55 hang on... Mar 23 01:21:05 should i install lumberjack and see if theres an error? Mar 23 01:21:38 are you testing on device or emulator? Mar 23 01:21:44 i can do either Mar 23 01:21:47 but right now emulator Mar 23 01:22:49 I would use palm-log -d tcp -f com.my.app Mar 23 01:23:01 from a command prompt Mar 23 01:23:04 to see the log output Mar 23 01:23:08 on linux Mar 23 01:23:34 does it HAVE to be on linux..? Mar 23 01:25:23 okay here we go Mar 23 01:25:33 cannot call method value Mar 23 01:25:42 no Mar 23 01:25:48 doesn't have to be on linux Mar 23 01:26:01 right i'm already logging Mar 23 01:26:06 it said it cannot call method value... Mar 23 01:26:18 of "undefined"? Mar 23 01:26:18 this.controller.get("radiobuttonId") maybe? Mar 23 01:26:27 of undefined yes Mar 23 01:26:51 how about this.$.radiobuttonId.modelName.value ? Mar 23 01:27:06 where modelName is whatever you called the model ? Mar 23 01:27:21 is $ or radiobuttonID anything? Mar 23 01:28:22 radioButtonId would be the id of your radiobutton Mar 23 01:29:47 text: ''+this.$.radioButton2.cool.value, Mar 23 01:29:56 assuming i called the modelName cool Mar 23 01:30:01 hay ho Mar 23 01:30:02 and the ID radioButton2 Mar 23 01:31:21 * haeffb just guessing at this point. Mar 23 01:31:28 lol Mar 23 01:32:00 * haeffb trying to run Ares to test, but it's kinda slow Mar 23 01:32:19 OKAY Mar 23 01:32:22 we're getting somewhere Mar 23 01:32:24 what we testin haeffb? Mar 23 01:32:26 it finally launched with some shit that i didn't type Mar 23 01:32:30 lol Mar 23 01:32:35 yay! ? Mar 23 01:32:44 text: ''+this.controller.get("radioButton2"), Mar 23 01:32:47 the email came up with Mar 23 01:32:54 Jake_M: what we doin? Mar 23 01:32:56 [object HTMLDivElement] Mar 23 01:32:57 Mojo.Event.send() maybe? Mar 23 01:33:28 oh twbbas is gone Mar 23 01:33:30 nvm Mar 23 01:33:48 hay sugardave Mar 23 01:34:15 PatrickC_Pre2: i'm trying to figure out how to make radio buttons return a value into my email text in Ares Mar 23 01:34:41 ah I don't have any experience in the radio-buttons in ares Mar 23 01:34:52 Jake_M: this.controller.get("radioButton2") is an HTMLDivElement Mar 23 01:34:53 element.getModel().value ? Mar 23 01:35:05 there's a getModel() ? Mar 23 01:35:12 I think i nAres there is Mar 23 01:35:12 well at least i know i did something right Mar 23 01:35:13 funkatron: ping Mar 23 01:35:19 yello Mar 23 01:35:33 can I have one of the pre+'s? :) Mar 23 01:35:45 all i literally need right now is the method to get the value. get("ID") don't work Mar 23 01:35:47 Jake_M: try this.controller.get("radioButton2").getModel().value; Mar 23 01:36:13 or this.$.radioButton2.getModel().value maybe? Mar 23 01:36:15 uhh, I gave them all away last year, dude Mar 23 01:36:18 * sugardave really has no clue. Mar 23 01:36:39 f'in Ares. Mar 23 01:36:41 something something "htmldivelement" has no method getModel Mar 23 01:36:51 bummer. Mar 23 01:36:54 PatrickC_Pre2: that article is a year old Mar 23 01:36:55 hmmm Mar 23 01:37:02 so you named the model "cool" Mar 23 01:37:03 apparently somebody at PreCentral can't read dates 8D Mar 23 01:37:17 lol Mar 23 01:37:18 this.cool.value Mar 23 01:37:19 ? Mar 23 01:37:27 it was posted again today... Mar 23 01:37:28 http://m.precentral.net/get-free-pre-plus-helping-update-spaz Mar 23 01:37:37 yes it was. Mar 23 01:37:54 lol Mar 23 01:38:00 funkatron: for a pre2 I might help. Pre+ is so last year. Mar 23 01:38:12 yeah, I'll get right on that. Mar 23 01:38:23 OHHHHHH Mar 23 01:38:36 heh Mar 23 01:38:39 sugardave with a epiphany! Mar 23 01:38:41 this.$.radioButton2.getWidgetSetup() ? Mar 23 01:38:43 OH MY GOD Mar 23 01:38:53 i got it :) Mar 23 01:38:53 AT&T bought TMobile? Mar 23 01:39:01 Jake_M with a breakthrough? Mar 23 01:39:07 dude update the wikipedias Mar 23 01:39:10 people need to know Mar 23 01:39:21 haeffb: is he as good as me? :) Mar 23 01:40:17 Jake_M: what is the answer? Mar 23 01:40:42 it's a sekrit Mar 23 01:40:46 text: ''+this.MODELNAME.value, Mar 23 01:40:52 duh. Mar 23 01:40:57 not sure if you need the ''+ but i will be adding text so yeah Mar 23 01:41:08 cool Mar 23 01:41:10 same as mojo code Mar 23 01:41:18 f'in Ares Mar 23 01:41:22 you told me it wasn't Mar 23 01:41:22 liar Mar 23 01:41:24 always trying to be soo tricky Mar 23 01:41:37 except when it doesn't Mar 23 01:41:39 yes you are haeffb :p Mar 23 01:41:43 imo you should update the webos101 page.. actually i couldn't find the radio button article on there lol Mar 23 01:42:00 I'm going to kick the whole this.$ thing in the ass, you watch Mar 23 01:42:20 * haeffb gets popcorn to watch the ass kickin' Mar 23 01:42:32 should I go buy some Colombian emeralds from the guy in the hotel lobby? Mar 23 01:42:35 thank you tibfib, sugardave, especially haeffb for naming random methods till we got it Mar 23 01:42:47 lol Mar 23 01:43:04 sugardave: can never have enough Colombian emeralds, I always say Mar 23 01:43:12 inorite? Mar 23 01:43:57 Jake_M: I'm sure there's some Ares-ey way to get the model value that is much different. Just don't know what it is. Mar 23 01:44:25 this.$.someVoodoo.moreStuff.whoKnows.getModel().value; Mar 23 01:44:33 jowb_|netflix: hi Mar 23 01:44:49 yo Mar 23 01:44:53 getWidgetSetup() I think Mar 23 01:45:01 brb :) Mar 23 01:45:06 getModel appears to be deprecated Mar 23 01:45:20 lol Mar 23 01:47:42 Sunday night at the gate in Bogota: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2112800&id=1187628303&l=b0a090cdcb Mar 23 01:48:03 dangit this is a pain. Trying to add "index" argument to list formatters Mar 23 01:48:35 Tibfib: yes it is Mar 23 01:48:42 have you tried? Mar 23 01:48:46 oh yes Mar 23 01:48:52 and succeeded Mar 23 01:48:52 hehe I will succeed :) Mar 23 01:48:55 DANGIT Mar 23 01:48:59 :) Mar 23 01:49:08 ... I'll pm you if I can't figure it out Mar 23 01:49:11 here's the trick: Mar 23 01:49:15 NOOOOO Mar 23 01:49:31 not only does it pass each value, it passes the model as well, and trying to add shit to it fails Mar 23 01:50:04 I'll get it. I'm almost there. works 50% of the time Mar 23 01:50:11 heh Mar 23 01:50:26 sugardave: I'm going the approach of adding another func argument to the formatter Mar 23 01:51:14 the easy way...Prototye.each() your array and add the index as a new property in the object Mar 23 01:53:48 no. Mar 23 01:53:54 no! Mar 23 01:53:55 ... maybe Mar 23 01:54:00 fast and easy Mar 23 01:54:02 that plane is going down. Mar 23 01:54:08 I think this will be faster code speed wise Mar 23 01:54:09 hahaha Mar 23 01:54:47 why do you need an index in the list formatters? Mar 23 01:55:04 GOT IT Mar 23 01:55:20 woo! Mar 23 01:55:46 * haeffb has got to clean up some index sh*t in Myles Mar 23 01:56:05 * haeffb did some stoopid stuff when first learning javascript and mojo Mar 23 01:56:19 haeffb: ... well. I was previously using an item property to signify "active" song in my list. but I have to clone the array if I want that. which kills performance. so. If I get the index passed I can set the "active" property without changing the original array Mar 23 01:56:23 hey you know how values of the radio buttons are numbers? can i make them strings or something so instead of returning a number, it returns a string or even the text in the radio button? Mar 23 01:57:48 nevermind i love all of you Mar 23 01:57:49 i got it Mar 23 01:57:51 thank you all Mar 23 01:57:52 nice Mar 23 01:58:13 tibfibs smarter than all of you, just saying Mar 23 01:58:16 :) Mar 23 01:58:27 how much did you pay him? Mar 23 01:58:32 haha Mar 23 01:59:47 I should finish these webOS wall paper crop templates @_@ Mar 23 01:59:49 Tibfib: I still don't follow. why set the "active" property in formatters? Mar 23 02:00:01 it doesn't Mar 23 02:00:11 I show that the song is "active" Mar 23 02:00:15 (return a classname) Mar 23 02:00:20 if it is the current song Mar 23 02:00:31 but how does index help you do that? Mar 23 02:00:49 I have a global variable of the current song index Mar 23 02:00:52 SineOt: did you get the leafly github done yet?! Mar 23 02:00:58 haeffb: so I compare that to item index Mar 23 02:01:38 why not an active: true/false property in your objects? Mar 23 02:01:52 nawrrrr Mar 23 02:01:54 hmmm, is there a way in SQL to select all rows of a table in which an attribute of the row of the table has a value in a set of values? Or should I write the OR by hand? Mar 23 02:01:59 been working on other stuff Mar 23 02:02:49 haeffb: hahaah. because I have to set that property to it and then clone the arrays so the properties don't mix Mar 23 02:03:36 Here: Wallpaper crop templates so that you can make your device wallpapers look the best they can http://www.ruddersquish.com/bonus/WebOS-Wallpaper-Template-Pre.png http://www.ruddersquish.com/bonus/WebOS-Wallpaper-Template-Pixi.png Mar 23 02:03:49 * haeffb doesn't understand "clone the arrays so the properties don't mix" Mar 23 02:04:17 madnificent: something like: SELECT * FROM table WHERE col IN (...something I don't know...) Mar 23 02:04:26 sugardave: ah, I should search for IN, thanks! Mar 23 02:04:40 sugardave: I was searching for SET, but google didn't like me for doing so Mar 23 02:04:40 I think that works Mar 23 02:05:05 haeffb: sometimes the .active property could get left over in the object. I probably could have fixed it with neater code Mar 23 02:05:17 sugardave: regular SQL seems to dictate IN (1,2,3,5,8,13,21) Mar 23 02:05:17 boring Mar 23 02:05:25 (fyi) Mar 23 02:05:32 madnificent: then that should work :) Mar 23 02:06:05 yup, just saying for the logs and so you might remember it for the future as well Mar 23 02:06:23 hmm, free apps still sohwing blanks in the my apps page Mar 23 02:06:37 I stole all your downloads Mar 23 02:06:53 haeffb, sugardave: btw, never paid him anything :) Mar 23 02:06:53 BASTARD! Mar 23 02:06:58 saving them for the next hot apps contest? Mar 23 02:07:08 oh yeah Mar 23 02:10:52 wait... why is sugardave cursing again? :D Mar 23 02:11:28 muuuuuurder Mar 23 02:12:36 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks Mar 23 02:13:39 did sugardave not get his daily allotment of sugar? Mar 23 02:13:46 tourettes Mar 23 02:13:59 it's because Tibfib stole all of my free downloads Mar 23 02:13:59 and no Dr. Pepper in Colombia Mar 23 02:14:07 yes, that sucks, too Mar 23 02:14:14 sugardave: he stole mine too Mar 23 02:14:15 sugardave: you still in Colombia then? Mar 23 02:14:22 but, they have real sugar Coke Mar 23 02:14:32 Tibfib: yeah, I don't fly back until Saturday Mar 23 02:14:40 nice Mar 23 02:14:48 are you just there for vacation? Mar 23 02:14:52 real sugar can't hold a candle to high fructose corn syrup when it comes to syrupy goodness Mar 23 02:14:56 hell no, I'm teaching a class Mar 23 02:15:04 haha Mar 23 02:15:08 Bogota for vacation? Mar 23 02:15:09 on ? Mar 23 02:15:26 something we don't have a chance of understanding Mar 23 02:15:37 Tibfib: IBM Tivoli Access Manager for Enterprise Single Sign-On 8.1 Deployment and Administration Mar 23 02:15:40 whew Mar 23 02:15:45 see? Mar 23 02:15:48 you're a fast typer Mar 23 02:15:56 haeffb: nice Mar 23 02:16:01 * PatrickC_Pre2 thinks that's a long title Mar 23 02:16:51 hmmm...I wonder if I could get the webOS browser to work with the Web Workplace piece of TAMESSO Mar 23 02:17:09 I'll have to try that when I get back to the lab Mar 23 02:18:33 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/03/and-then-there-were-three-att-buys-t-mobile/ Mar 23 02:18:51 at the end, they say "will VZW buy Sprint/nextel" Mar 23 02:18:51 sugardave: if you run into problems, ask Tibfib for help. He's smarter than all of us. Mar 23 02:18:54 I hope not Mar 23 02:19:04 dangit Mar 23 02:19:10 I like low prices :) Mar 23 02:19:19 haeffb: ah, you're right! Mar 23 02:19:26 haeffb: smarter then all of us combined :p Mar 23 02:19:58 by the way, Nerdvana officially opened today Mar 23 02:20:19 oh? Mar 23 02:20:23 PatrickC_Pre2: if you followed anything, the VZW CEO outright said either today or yesterday that Verizon has better things to do than buy Sprint Mar 23 02:20:47 I follow PreCentral and WebOSR Mar 23 02:20:50 lol Mar 23 02:20:50 Nerdvana is what the wife calls my deck Mar 23 02:21:03 with the outdoor speakers and wifi-enabled laptop Mar 23 02:21:10 and grill Mar 23 02:21:11 www.nerdvana.com ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE Mar 23 02:21:12 sounds awesome Mar 23 02:21:13 and smoker Mar 23 02:22:28 i used to remote desktop from my Touch Diamond to the laptop connected to the home theater receiver to change music Mar 23 02:22:46 but now I just use Sirius over Dish Network and let it play Mar 23 02:23:32 haeffb: win Mar 23 02:23:35 pics? Mar 23 02:24:01 none handy Mar 23 02:24:21 sometime! Mar 23 02:25:47 here's the view from Nerdvana... https://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/20060622PupsAndFlowers#5078700378441575890 Mar 23 02:26:19 nice Mar 23 02:26:25 very Mar 23 02:26:54 how big is your personal forest there? Mar 23 02:27:21 1700 acres Mar 23 02:27:25 no, wait. Mar 23 02:27:28 3.5 acres Mar 23 02:27:30 haha Mar 23 02:27:58 lol Mar 23 02:29:24 I like this one: https://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/20060622PupsAndFlowers#5078698797893610690 Mar 23 02:29:41 dawm: precentral made a new article today about an old article from funkatron a long time ago, I think Mar 23 02:30:20 ya. These are my dogs: https://picasaweb.google.com/haeffb/Portfolio#5145522009088812018 Mar 23 02:30:22 they really should check the dates on these things Mar 23 02:30:27 and that was a pup out of those two Mar 23 02:31:42 dang. about.me is awesome Mar 23 02:31:54 I need some hi-res pictures of myself Mar 23 02:32:46 about.me is what exactly? Mar 23 02:32:53 looks like a website Mar 23 02:32:55 their site doesn't say a lot Mar 23 02:33:11 a profile website Mar 23 02:33:20 like LinkedIn? Mar 23 02:33:21 for example, http://about.me/Tibfib Mar 23 02:33:51 that's not your picture! Mar 23 02:34:00 heheh Mar 23 02:34:06 it's a simpson version of me Mar 23 02:34:14 lol Mar 23 02:34:16 brb Mar 23 02:34:59 * haeffb needs to put a Nerdvana article on haeffb.com Mar 23 02:35:31 * sugardave is buffering up the Dr. Dre/Eminem video. Mar 23 02:35:37 haeffb.com has a *ton* of articles :) Mar 23 02:36:13 ha. check back in 20 years... it'll really be something then. Mar 23 02:36:38 lol Mar 23 02:36:47 my blog has a few writings Mar 23 02:38:43 why is everyone with webos photographers? lol Mar 23 02:39:10 but me Mar 23 02:41:51 my dad's a photographer, does that count? Mar 23 02:42:00 lol Mar 23 02:42:17 Chuq is, Adora is, haeffb is... Mar 23 02:42:22 I'm an otter. :3c Mar 23 02:42:26 Feed me fish. :3c Mar 23 02:42:35 heh. Mar 23 02:42:39 goodnight everyone Mar 23 02:42:39 we know you are sineot Mar 23 02:42:44 nite tibfib Mar 23 02:42:53 I'm bout to go to bed myself Mar 23 02:43:03 I know... its early for me :p Mar 23 02:43:09 brb... shower time Mar 23 02:43:36 Fish fish fish. Mar 23 02:49:14 its hot in my room..... :'( Mar 23 02:49:55 Open a window. Mar 23 02:50:17 I did Mar 23 02:50:27 its not that cool outside Mar 23 02:50:42 Turn on a fan. :T Mar 23 02:50:52 did that too :p Mar 23 02:51:08 Turn on two fans. @_@ Mar 23 02:51:23 I actually have 2 fans going Mar 23 02:51:31 Turn on THREE fans. @_____@ Mar 23 02:51:31 1 ceiling fan Mar 23 02:51:33 drop the thermostat Mar 23 02:51:50 I thought about that... Mar 23 02:52:13 but only my room is on the thermostat, as my brother isn't sleeping in his room tonite Mar 23 02:52:14 unles you're telekinetic, you'll have to do more than think about it Mar 23 02:52:40 and the thermostat thinks its colder then my room is Mar 23 02:52:46 the thermostat says its 72 Mar 23 02:52:51 my room is 79 Mar 23 02:53:08 Man that's the kind of weather you just lay on your bed and sleep. Mar 23 02:53:16 yep Mar 23 02:53:20 that's what I do Mar 23 02:53:26 Or just sleep naked. Comfier that way. Mar 23 02:53:40 lol Mar 23 02:53:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 stays away from sineot's house at night Mar 23 02:54:05 sage advice Mar 23 02:55:16 brb Mar 23 02:55:19 shower time Mar 23 02:57:51 shower time over Mar 23 02:58:47 whaaaat Mar 23 02:58:50 2 minutes? Mar 23 02:58:51 yep Mar 23 02:58:55 yep Mar 23 02:58:57 lol Mar 23 02:59:17 I don't take long showers :D Mar 23 02:59:25 that doesn't even count as a shower Mar 23 02:59:30 you might as well splash yourself in the sink! Mar 23 02:59:38 hehe Mar 23 02:59:50 I think we share too much here in #webos Mar 23 02:59:57 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 23 02:59:57 2011