**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 29 02:59:57 2011 Mar 29 03:00:44 the great thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from! Mar 29 03:00:50 heheh Mar 29 03:00:57 bpadalino: lol Mar 29 03:25:30 oldie but a goodie - http://blog.zhephree.com/post/533917502/development-strategies-on-webos Mar 29 03:39:54 Really curious what 2.2 and 2.3 will bring for WebOS. Mar 29 03:42:39 "This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained. " Mar 29 03:42:44 But it can be given away! :V Mar 29 03:57:43 SineOt: where did you get that? Mar 29 04:02:58 The bottom of the TouchPad page on Palm's site Mar 29 04:22:26 Holy crap. WWDC2011 sold out entirely in under 12 hours. Mar 29 04:24:22 lol Mar 29 04:27:02 >:C Mar 29 04:27:14 Mini keeps making a really, really unhappy sounding chirp. Mar 29 04:28:37 Worst part is that I have no idea what's causing it! Mar 29 05:12:36 be Mar 29 06:22:07 morning Mar 29 06:22:54 Good morning swisstomcat Mar 29 06:23:02 morning hotdp Mar 29 06:23:03 did you hear how i went for sugardave? Mar 29 06:23:08 no Mar 29 06:23:18 was he hired? :) Mar 29 06:23:59 i dont know :D Mar 29 06:24:02 i was sleeping Mar 29 06:24:39 me too Mar 29 07:06:31 Morning everyone. I'm planning on buying a Palm Pre Plus the next days. One of the most important points is integration with all gmail-services (Mail, contacts, calendar). Does that work? Mar 29 07:08:06 morning Mar 29 07:08:23 yeah, i'm using gmail too … so far so good Mar 29 07:08:57 So… Not really good? :) Mar 29 07:09:22 Its very good Mar 29 07:09:30 i find the integration very well implemented Mar 29 07:09:34 That's what I wanted to hear :) Mar 29 07:11:14 Any documentation you recommend for a WebOS-Beginner? I already found http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page Mar 29 07:11:39 sash: as a user or developer? Mar 29 07:12:00 First user, developer later. Mar 29 07:12:05 *hope* Mar 29 07:12:33 http://learning.palm.com/ Mar 29 07:12:39 precentral.net Mar 29 07:12:48 webos101.com Mar 29 07:12:55 developer.palm.com Mar 29 07:13:41 hmm, http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5261 bunch of resources Mar 29 07:16:22 Thank you. Mar 29 07:18:59 Looking for differences between Pre Plus and Pre 2 now. Mar 29 07:20:26 There is some Mar 29 07:20:31 Pre 2 if faster Mar 29 07:20:35 Glass screen Mar 29 07:20:40 More solid Mar 29 07:21:44 And 3 times more expensive :) Mar 29 07:21:56 maybe i dont know Mar 29 07:22:09 But then it is up to you Mar 29 07:22:16 what country are you from ?´ Mar 29 07:22:33 Germany Mar 29 07:22:39 oki Mar 29 07:23:06 I can buy a pre plus (new, with branding) for about 160€ and a pre 2 costs about 450 €. Mar 29 07:23:27 without binding? Mar 29 07:23:55 Ehm... Yes Mar 29 07:24:06 Yes, at Amazon for example Mar 29 07:24:19 Amazon has the Pre Plus for 165 Euro. Mar 29 07:24:32 then get the plus Mar 29 07:24:39 Think so, too. Mar 29 07:24:48 and get the pre 3 when it will arrive Mar 29 07:25:05 sash_: some people here have both a pre+ (or pre-) and the pre2, perhaps they'll be able to give better advice Mar 29 07:25:17 sash_: it'll all boil down to how much the money is worth for you though Mar 29 07:25:31 madnificent: i know both devices Mar 29 07:25:35 hotdp: yes, yet another device palm chooses to wave in front of us years before we'll actually receieve it ^_^ Mar 29 07:25:43 hotdp: s/know/have/ ? Mar 29 07:25:52 yes Mar 29 07:26:00 I am quite sure that it would be a bad idea not to buy the pre plus as first webos-smartphone. Mar 29 07:26:58 sash_: the pre plus comes with webos 1.4.5 by standard. The pre2 has an official WebOS 2 release, I think. Though, in Germany, WebOS2 should be coming for the + as well, no? Mar 29 07:27:26 Yes, it's available Mar 29 07:27:30 hotdp: isn't the build quality of the pre2 vastly superior to that of the pre+? Mar 29 07:27:32 madnificent: i belive it is avalible allready for germany Mar 29 07:27:33 And rolled out, i think Mar 29 07:27:43 not OTA Mar 29 07:27:53 is it no only doctor? Mar 29 07:28:07 well, that + overclocking the + through preware should give you a well-working device Mar 29 07:28:18 yeah Mar 29 07:28:23 I read about installing webos 2 on the pre with doctor Mar 29 07:28:26 the pre+ is nice .. but the pre2 is a big step up Mar 29 07:28:51 I'd only compare the build quality between both... it seems hard to justify 290 euros on build quality when you have a 2 year warranty Mar 29 07:29:04 yer, but understand why you would choose the plus, when its 1/3 of the price and the Pre 3 is comming "soon" Mar 29 07:29:05 but i think, it's preinstalled on pre+. But besides that, i don't really care. I will install it if it's not. Mar 29 07:29:46 * madnificent has never seen, nor touched a pre2 Mar 29 07:30:09 I'll buy my next smartphone in 2 years, because i am starting to study next monday and have no money anymore :) Mar 29 07:30:14 * hotdp uses Pre 2 as main phone Mar 29 07:30:25 Pre plus for two years :o Mar 29 07:30:39 pre- for two years, then pre 2 Mar 29 07:30:54 sash_: then I think I'd save the money and buy the pre+ Mar 29 07:31:08 Pre Plus i want to buy, yes Mar 29 07:31:14 Not pre2 Mar 29 07:31:21 pre+ is good too Mar 29 07:31:29 maybe overclock it a bit to 800mhz Mar 29 07:31:34 sash_: what else would you like to know? :) Mar 29 07:32:12 swisstomcat: I clock my - between 250Mhz and 1Ghz on demand and it works really smooth Mar 29 07:33:14 yeah, that's a good solution Mar 29 07:33:22 I read about openssh and so on. There are a few linux-apps, i can install, right? Mar 29 07:33:46 yeah Mar 29 07:33:55 preware from webos-internals is your friend Mar 29 07:34:04 Besides, I am an experienced five years Linux Desktop and server user/administrator :) Mar 29 07:34:07 sash_: you have root access on the device :) Mar 29 07:34:27 That's why I don't like Blackberry that much. Mar 29 07:34:56 isn't palm/hp the only existing brand giving you root? Mar 29 07:35:19 Besides maemo, i think Mar 29 07:35:41 Which is dead :) Mar 29 07:36:17 then MeeGo, maybe? Mar 29 07:36:33 Which is installed on what device? Mar 29 07:36:39 * madnificent doesn't know if they actually make phones for MeeGo Mar 29 07:36:43 sash_: ^ that ^ Mar 29 07:36:50 They don't, i think. Mar 29 07:36:56 No, they don't. Mar 29 07:38:02 Although WebOS doesn't have the most libre license, we seem to have the most libre phones... I think that's a plus Mar 29 07:38:09 yeah Mar 29 07:38:30 Most important things I need, are gmail, dropbox, ssh-client, pdf-reader (free) and of course 2+3G and wifi. Mar 29 07:39:03 And... Ehm. Enterprise Wifi with selfmade cerificates and user-auth. Mar 29 07:39:04 the pdf-reader isn't perfect, it sometimes fails on my pre-, but I think it was updated with WebOS 2, amirite? Mar 29 07:40:25 sash_: I'm guessing you can get the user-auth to work the way you normally do under linux. It might require some figuring out if the standard palm app doesn't support it. Mar 29 07:41:15 that radius-thing i mean. Mar 29 07:41:36 what was it called? 802.x? Dont remember Mar 29 07:41:54 oh, if it's standardized, it'll work, I guess :) Mar 29 07:42:00 And OpenVPN would be nice. Mar 29 07:42:37 VPN should be in WebOS 2 Mar 29 07:44:13 Wonderful: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenVPN_for_Palm_Pre Mar 29 07:44:22 sash_: just keep in mind that if you're doing something fancy and it doesn't seem to work, that you should check webos internals or preware to see what's going on. You'll more than likely be able to hack it onto your device. Mar 29 07:44:51 I really look forward to that thing. Mar 29 07:45:07 sash_: and you seem to find all that fast enough, go order your Pre+ instead of sitting there waiting ;) Mar 29 07:45:26 sash_: or get a pint of beer to think it over... though you'll be surrounded by drunks at this hour Mar 29 07:45:49 It's 09:41 AM :D Mar 29 07:46:00 sash_: I'm in your time-zone Mar 29 07:46:21 timezone ^5 Mar 29 07:46:59 :D Mar 29 07:48:43 9:44 here Mar 29 07:49:25 What about battery lifetime? Mar 29 07:50:07 sash_: that's a disaster :) I get through a day now, but it used to be different. For normal use, the pre- with an overclock lasts a fat day here. But it may be wise to order an extra battery just in case Mar 29 07:50:12 or at least plan on buying one Mar 29 07:50:45 my HTC Hero lasted 6 hours longer than my Pre- Mar 29 07:51:23 ok Mar 29 07:51:45 yeah, battery life could be better Mar 29 07:51:47 1 day Mar 29 07:52:01 hehe Mar 29 07:52:02 At the palm-site I saw a video where they say: "Load every time you can" :D Mar 29 07:52:08 yeah Mar 29 07:52:11 thats why the touch stone is so easy to use :O Mar 29 07:52:11 get a touchstone Mar 29 07:52:50 Well. I will not carry around a stone :D Mar 29 07:53:28 sash_: it's a vague argument, but the way you interact with the device and the freedom you get seems well worth it. I haven't looked at my hero with any thought of "Hey, perhaps it wasn't that much worse as a total package" yet Mar 29 07:53:56 As much as I love googlemail, I really don't want to have an Android-phone Mar 29 07:54:17 Iphone, Windows-phone of course not, too. Mar 29 07:54:39 And Rimos is just... Well. It works really fine but that's all. Mar 29 07:54:57 And I don't want to pay for every single crap-app. Mar 29 07:55:25 Is the touchstone cable less? Mar 29 07:55:38 sash_: keep the extra money for a spare battery in your pocket in case you seem to need to buy it. I don't know how battery life will turn out for you. You can easily drain the Pre's battery in a matter of hours by playing games. But normal use doesn't seem to consume that much... I have days with over 30% or so left in the battery when I start charging it, but on other times I barely make the day. Mar 29 07:55:42 sash_: yup Mar 29 07:56:09 sash_: that is to say: the touchstone has a cable in it, but you can just place the pre on it and it will start charging Mar 29 07:56:17 Besides, pre2 doesn't seem to be available in Germany Mar 29 07:56:20 so there's no cable between the touchstone and the pre Mar 29 07:56:38 45€ for that thing--- Mar 29 07:56:45 s/---/..../ Mar 29 07:56:47 * madnificent didn't buy one either Mar 29 07:57:06 * madnificent may buy one because of exhibition Mar 29 07:58:24 Keyboard is good for typing? I have a Bold 9000 and I am really happy with the keyboard. Mar 29 07:59:09 sash_: reviews always seem to say that the keyboard is great, yet I haven't tried other physical keyboards Mar 29 07:59:27 sash_: it'll always require some adoption period, I guess Mar 29 07:59:35 Of course Mar 29 08:00:45 * sash_ needs his pay to order the Pre Plus Mar 29 08:01:09 * madnificent forgot to take a coffee Mar 29 08:01:24 My girlfriend is really happy that it is that inexpensive :) Mar 29 08:05:50 sash: pre2 is available in germany .. order it from the palm eurostore Mar 29 08:05:58 or apply for a free developer device Mar 29 08:06:01 I don't want to :) Mar 29 08:06:58 that's 'free developer device' ? Mar 29 08:07:26 It will take some time until I can call myself a "developer" and develop WebOS-applications :) Mar 29 08:12:44 sash_: took me a week to learn and have something running that looked like an app... took me a good month to get it in a way that I believe other people could use in theory Mar 29 08:13:42 We'll see. Have a lot of things to do the next weeks and months Mar 29 08:15:45 you don't have to start devving, that wasn't really my point Mar 29 08:15:58 keep in mind that it takes fairly little time if you have some coding experience Mar 29 08:16:05 (you don't even need much of that) Mar 29 08:17:58 In which languages can webos-apps be written? Mar 29 08:18:14 sdk: html/css/js pdk: c+/c++/sdl Mar 29 08:18:22 homebrew: anything else pretty much Mar 29 08:18:33 sash_: sdk is javascript, html, css. The PDK can actually be anything if you can interface with C, it seems. Mar 29 08:18:59 I'd appreciate c# cause i have to write that at work, but, ok... Mar 29 08:19:05 hehe Mar 29 08:19:14 then you have to use win phone Mar 29 08:19:15 i think there was even a mono-port at some point Mar 29 08:19:30 Well, c# at work, java at university and the rest for fun :) Mar 29 08:44:31 learning.palm.com is really nice Mar 29 08:44:56 sash_: you can get a preview of your pre by installing the emulator :) Mar 29 08:45:39 I did that months ago, when the pre was released :) Mar 29 08:47:23 =D Mar 29 10:48:41 sash_: search for Optware if you want 1600 linux command line programs for your webOS device Mar 29 10:49:37 hi rwhitby Mar 29 10:49:43 g'day Mar 29 10:49:54 are you involved in anyway in linphone , or you just happend to know the link ?? Mar 29 10:50:27 I helped Thibaud package it, and determine who makes a suitable alpha tester. Mar 29 10:51:19 okay, are you also involved in a roadmap, if at all available ? Mar 29 10:51:33 nope, all that information is in the precentral thread Mar 29 10:51:35 or the wiki page Mar 29 10:52:02 or talk to thibaud on the occasions when he joins IRC Mar 29 10:53:45 k Mar 29 12:30:08 * thomaschaaf wave Mar 29 12:31:02 * hotdp waves back Mar 29 12:31:05 moin Mar 29 12:34:04 soo many signups :) Mar 29 12:34:07 amazing Mar 29 12:34:12 it's a great service Mar 29 12:34:15 thank you :) Mar 29 12:34:16 precentral sure gets the word out Mar 29 12:36:38 I like it to for 6 hours :) Mar 29 12:36:44 not pretty :( Mar 29 12:36:55 this day is pretty amazing though :) Mar 29 12:37:36 got featured on precentral, wrote abitur in biology where the exam was pretty easy and the most amazing this got a round further at thenextweb Mar 29 12:40:34 swisstomcat: what could I improve? Mar 29 12:41:36 i think it's nice like it is Mar 29 12:41:42 maybe some webpage polishing Mar 29 12:42:06 it's ugly as shit :/ Mar 29 12:42:11 but I don't know what to add Mar 29 12:42:20 color? Mar 29 12:42:30 css :) Mar 29 12:42:34 yer Mar 29 12:42:47 add rainbows and unicorn Mar 29 12:42:51 unicorns Mar 29 12:44:55 you can all help: http://www.csspivot.com/preview?url=http%3A%2F%2Freviewtomail.com Mar 29 12:44:56 :D Mar 29 12:46:19 I might create http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/online-filiale/id380932238?mt=8 for webos apps Mar 29 12:46:27 body { Mar 29 12:46:28 font-family: arial,non-serif; Mar 29 12:46:28 } Mar 29 12:47:04 swisstomcat: just edit it on the page and click save Mar 29 12:47:13 it then gives you a domain I can look at too Mar 29 12:47:24 preview works too Mar 29 12:47:28 and it looks much better :) Mar 29 12:47:34 add some color as well Mar 29 12:47:41 choose a good color combination Mar 29 12:48:38 http://www.csspivot.com/quqO1 Mar 29 12:48:47 color blind man speaking :( Mar 29 12:49:08 everything that looks good to me is ugly as hell for every one else Mar 29 12:49:24 i don't see any color :) Mar 29 12:49:31 really? Mar 29 12:49:36 nope Mar 29 12:49:39 oh :/ Mar 29 12:49:44 maybe i can only see black and white :D Mar 29 12:49:52 in my game, color blind mode uses blue, brown, grey and white pieces Mar 29 12:50:04 http://colorschemedesigner.com/ Mar 29 12:50:06 just need to figure out what to make the laser piece Mar 29 12:51:13 I wanted to put the signup part in webos style Mar 29 12:51:20 nice site swisstomcat Mar 29 12:51:30 but what should I color? Mar 29 12:51:33 thomasschaaf: look at preware.org Mar 29 12:51:39 there are not many elements Mar 29 12:57:40 swisstomcat: that looks nice Mar 29 12:57:46 but can I just steal the images? Mar 29 12:57:48 :/ Mar 29 12:58:07 or do you think they used them from palms css? Mar 29 12:58:11 ask the webos-internals guys Mar 29 12:58:15 #webos-internals Mar 29 13:03:21 what kinda glyph would make sense for a laser? Mar 29 13:03:46 lasers rule :) Mar 29 13:04:21 i had something similar to the firewire logo Mar 29 13:04:30 but it didnt work at the size i need it Mar 29 13:07:04 so what do you think about me making a new online view to view apps? are there to many? Mar 29 13:07:39 oh yah who runs that webos review email thing Mar 29 13:07:46 cause it says one of my apps is invalid Mar 29 13:07:55 dawm: me Mar 29 13:08:00 app id please Mar 29 13:08:07 com.biocandy.mycokerewards Mar 29 13:08:23 read my cock rocks :/ Mar 29 13:08:26 the reread :) Mar 29 13:08:29 then Mar 29 13:16:02 what is there besides ROW as carriers? Mar 29 13:16:54 what is verizon called? Mar 29 13:19:42 swisstomcat: do you know the what the other one is? Mar 29 13:20:21 thomaschaaf, hold on lemme look Mar 29 13:20:42 nope Mar 29 13:20:50 sprint and verizon? Mar 29 13:20:58 at&t and t-mobile? Mar 29 13:21:00 i think Mar 29 13:21:56 Sprint, bell, ROW, Verizon, ATT Mar 29 13:22:00 dawm: what network are you on? Mar 29 13:22:00 are what i see in my logs Mar 29 13:22:11 those values are from the device Mar 29 13:22:12 bell is in canada Mar 29 13:22:18 telcel=mexico Mar 29 13:22:34 sfr=france Mar 29 13:23:19 my logs only have Sprint, ROW, bell, Verizon, Unknown, null (as in no value), ATT Mar 29 13:23:47 OOOh Mar 29 13:23:53 Nova-Catfish Mar 29 13:24:04 Device: Device Mar 29 13:24:17 on ATT Mar 29 13:24:21 3.x? Mar 29 13:24:23 or 2.2? Mar 29 13:24:40 no version #, instead of a # its 'Nova-Catfish' Mar 29 13:25:18 But a 'Broadway' device used my app Mar 29 13:25:25 and it actually called itself Broadway Mar 29 13:26:41 03-17-2011 Mar 29 13:26:45 so its new Mar 29 13:26:50 catfish that is Mar 29 13:27:13 oh wait.. i updated this app.. so it musta been a reviewer Mar 29 13:27:38 dawm: say has no reviews is that true? Mar 29 13:27:43 Version: Arak Device: Pre Mar 29 13:27:46 no its got a ton Mar 29 13:28:01 http://www.cyrket.com/p/palm/com.biocandy.mycokerewards/ Mar 29 13:28:10 96 ratings, 101 comments Mar 29 13:28:52 So Nova-Catfish and Arak appear to be new versions Mar 29 13:29:05 catfish on the 17th, Arak on the 21st Mar 29 13:31:13 dawn I need help with getting account information from the us :( Mar 29 13:31:21 It does take a bit of information sadly Mar 29 13:31:42 whathca mean Mar 29 13:32:08 damn it.. cat is in attack mode again Mar 29 13:33:25 dawm: to get the information I need the device token, imei, carrier and the email used with the account the token is a hash made up of that data Mar 29 13:35:12 dawm: I will keep that data secret and only use your account if the app can not be found with one of my accounts Mar 29 13:35:33 * sandrstar afraid dawns' cat doesn't like #webos channel Mar 29 13:36:42 I could write a semi good app and just send that info to myself :D Mar 29 13:36:56 but then again that would be mean.. Mar 29 13:38:35 dawn? Mar 29 13:48:18 can I turn the emulator into a 1.0.0 emulator? I'd like to see if it runs under that as well Mar 29 13:50:16 you'd need to download a really old sdk which does not exist as far as I know Mar 29 13:50:36 in that case: palm asks me mean questions Mar 29 13:50:36 oldest that is public is 1.3.5 I think Mar 29 13:50:45 before it was private sdk Mar 29 13:52:05 * madnificent searches for old sdks on developer.palm.com :) Mar 29 13:56:20 madnificent: where are you located? Mar 29 13:57:18 thomaschaaf: belgium Mar 29 13:57:55 hmm :/ I need someone with an american phone Mar 29 13:58:13 y? Mar 29 14:00:18 for reviewtomail.com I use my phones accounts. Some apps are only available in the US. Mar 29 14:00:42 I need an american account to be able to support those apps to Mar 29 14:01:07 The information I need are: device token, imei, carrier and the email address used Mar 29 14:01:56 ahhh Mar 29 14:02:16 * madnificent lives in a region which receives nothing Mar 29 14:03:09 :D Mar 29 14:03:17 you don't have ANY apps? Mar 29 14:03:26 did not even enable it in germany or something? Mar 29 14:04:18 * Simpson_2 as the same issue Mar 29 14:05:35 woot Mar 29 14:05:38 15.1mpg Mar 29 14:05:43 ;| Mar 29 14:08:58 dawm: you can simply say you don't want to do it although I would be saddend Mar 29 14:09:13 sorry i had to run to the store Mar 29 14:09:15 what did i miss Mar 29 14:10:03 dawm: I am currently using my device profile to search for the apps. Mar 29 14:10:07 This is fine but I am in germany Mar 29 14:10:10 oh you need my phone info.. eh Mar 29 14:10:17 that means about 90% of the apps I can get Mar 29 14:10:32 for the other 10% I'd really need an american profile. Mar 29 14:10:43 If you could make that happen awesome if not :( Mar 29 14:10:46 thomaschaaf: I have most apps, but only free ones. Apps that have an explicit region don't work here either Mar 29 14:10:54 maybe someone with webosinternals could help? Mar 29 14:11:05 id rather not give out my phone details Mar 29 14:11:36 I wouldn't even have your number but I guess I can understand :( Mar 29 14:11:47 maybe I can get PrePatrcik to help Mar 29 14:12:29 do you think it would be bad if I just stole it from people :/ Mar 29 14:12:44 yes Mar 29 14:12:49 it could be deems malicious Mar 29 14:14:16 but if I do no harm Mar 29 14:14:27 invasion of privacy? Mar 29 14:14:55 would be like me looking at your utility bill wo/ your knowledge, even if i didnt use it Mar 29 14:16:23 why utility bill? I can not get any information with the key besides getting the apps from the app store Mar 29 14:16:37 that token is used simply to access the api to get the app catalog Mar 29 14:17:28 I guess I could theoretically with a little more information buy apps.. but that would be silly :D Mar 29 14:18:58 hmm what a great idea :D I should make a awesome ass app (angry birds free:D) bake it in with the virus which sends me all the info and then I could go app shopping :D Mar 29 14:19:14 well my apps Mar 29 14:19:23 and some others like the one I stole :D Mar 29 14:19:30 what evil mind I have Mar 29 14:19:44 thomaschaaf: perhaps try to contact your personal contact at palm while you're at it. Perhaps they'll give you one that works for everything... Mar 29 14:20:11 I could but then again.. would they.. they haven't notified me to take it down, which is nice Mar 29 14:20:53 thomaschaaf: it provides functionality which they should've built in. If they'd send a takedown notice for that, then surely they would've done so for the clockable kernel... Mar 29 14:21:13 which is not using their apis.. Mar 29 14:21:15 though Mar 29 14:21:34 I am talking to their servers to get the info which I display Mar 29 14:21:59 it's two requests per app Mar 29 14:22:07 and a couple hundred apps already Mar 29 14:23:16 I have built in a way to cycle through my accounts so I am not using only one account though Mar 29 14:23:25 4 account seems like a good number :) Mar 29 14:32:24 why dont you just ask for access? Mar 29 14:45:54 Adora: ? Mar 29 14:46:58 http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12210 Mar 29 14:47:00 oh look Mar 29 14:47:06 an official person likes it.. Mar 29 14:47:07 maybe Mar 29 14:47:19 just maybe I can get them to make sweet sweet love to me :D Mar 29 15:02:30 haha there are palm apps getting reviews by mail from me :D Mar 29 15:02:41 wounder if those are the developers themselves Mar 29 15:03:01 hehe Mar 29 15:04:21 they're gmail addresses so I really don't know :D Mar 29 15:10:27 yey got my new keys for my appartment :) Mar 29 15:10:58 have to go and move ... why can't I just mv * newhome Mar 29 15:12:00 that would be much easier Mar 29 15:12:06 mv oldhouse newhouse Mar 29 15:13:32 lol now I have a mad girlfriend because I am not helping move.. (we got the keys 10 minutes ago or at least she did) Mar 29 15:13:45 fun times.. Mar 29 15:14:43 expect a new design of reviewtomail tonight Mar 29 15:15:04 maybe even american only apps aswell Mar 29 15:15:08 cp oldhouse newhouse always good to have a backup Mar 29 15:15:25 hehe Mar 29 15:16:02 majority of move will be done with a lupo :D other with vw transporter Mar 29 15:16:09 the lupo part will be tons of fun though Mar 29 15:16:30 heh Mar 29 15:16:45 from 2081x682 to 183x60 Mar 29 15:16:54 i guess i like to start off in uber high res :P Mar 29 15:17:00 a lupo .. oh my Mar 29 15:19:47 bbl Mar 29 15:37:17 ok most of the gfx are now down, now i can continue Mar 29 15:40:31 hi all, I have a 2.1 upgrade question Mar 29 15:40:46 I'm trying to build meta-doctor, and I'm getting the error: Invalid or corrupt jarfile build/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar Mar 29 15:41:31 did I do something wrong? Mar 29 15:43:50 sorry, I suppose that's a #webos-internals question Mar 29 15:47:29 http://fuglyandroid.tumblr.com/ Mar 29 15:48:54 what was the largest amount of money that you earn on webos game or app? Mar 29 15:50:40 i made 4900 last year w/ the hot apps $1000 prize, so 3900 from just sales of 1 app Mar 29 16:00:04 i wonder how broken this is gonna be now that i changed all the gfx Mar 29 16:00:28 dawm: what app you seling? Mar 29 16:00:40 swap & drop Mar 29 16:00:43 bejeweled clone Mar 29 16:00:50 congrats, btw. :) nice work Mar 29 16:01:04 ohh.. yeah, lol I have that one. :u) Mar 29 16:01:11 anyone used ajax.request with post to upload a file? Mar 29 16:04:09 mmm, Friday's weather: high of 60 + 10% chance precip = riding weather! Mar 29 16:36:24 oh i guess you can't upload with ajax. anyone have experience passing authentication (either manual username/password or passing along a cookie) using downloadmanager's upload method? Mar 29 16:41:11 maik Mar 29 16:41:11 yeap Mar 29 16:41:15 see spazcore code Mar 29 16:41:50 https://github.com/funkatron/spazcore/blob/master/platforms/webOS/helpers/network.js#L25 Mar 29 16:41:56 ooh, thanks Mar 29 16:45:07 ugh, accessing username/password doesn't seem ideal when i've already got an established cookie with the other ajax methods i'm using :/ Mar 29 16:45:20 established, albeit unamanged Mar 29 16:45:24 unmanaged* Mar 29 16:45:57 yeah, that's not gonna do it hto Mar 29 16:45:59 in my exp Mar 29 16:46:11 I mean, you could pass up the cookie header and try it Mar 29 17:05:34 what what Mar 29 17:05:46 word Mar 29 17:06:11 in the b**** Mar 29 17:06:26 hey funkatron if you're fed up with twitter/spaz, you could always help with preware :) Mar 29 17:06:43 lol Mar 29 17:06:53 not quite as compelling as I'd like 8D Mar 29 17:06:57 but maybe! I dunno Mar 29 17:07:06 I like making APIs and moving data around and shit Mar 29 17:07:15 ah Mar 29 17:07:47 like this. http://api.getspaz.com/ip Mar 29 17:08:15 fancy haha Mar 29 17:08:31 gonna make a "whats my ip?" app? Mar 29 17:08:39 sure Mar 29 17:08:40 well Mar 29 17:08:54 last night I did this: https://gist.github.com/891778 Mar 29 17:09:38 nice Mar 29 17:12:07 * oilsworkn deals with server-side stuff at work, prefers client-side in his spare time Mar 29 17:12:42 right Mar 29 17:13:26 anyone about? Mar 29 17:13:30 another one I made: http://dev-api.getspaz.com/url/title/?url=http://preware.org Mar 29 17:13:35 but switching back and forth does lead to interesting problems because i used a . in my js or a + in my php xD Mar 29 17:13:45 and http://dev-api.getspaz.com/url/info/?url=http://preware.org Mar 29 17:13:49 right, yeah Mar 29 17:13:52 I do the exact same thing Mar 29 17:13:58 what mode does my pixi/pre need to be in for palm-install to work? :*( i keep getting device not found, but its reading as palm novacom in device manager Mar 29 17:14:06 both links 404 Mar 29 17:14:16 oh duh Mar 29 17:14:21 remove the dev- Mar 29 17:14:25 that's my local install Mar 29 17:15:00 any ideas? Mar 29 17:15:14 YoungGUN: is it in dev mode? Mar 29 17:15:30 i tried to konami code Mar 29 17:15:35 okay, tried? Mar 29 17:15:45 yeah up up down down left right left right ab start Mar 29 17:15:46 if it's not in dev mode it won't happen Mar 29 17:15:47 it went into dev mode Mar 29 17:15:50 okay Mar 29 17:15:56 but it still wont read for palm-install Mar 29 17:15:57 but Mar 29 17:15:58 ab? isnt it ba? Mar 29 17:16:01 can you use novaterm from the CLI? Mar 29 17:16:24 im not sure what cli is, i can only seem to use palm-install when i turn the phone off, and use volume down + power Mar 29 17:16:26 to put it in usb mode Mar 29 17:16:42 command line interface Mar 29 17:16:45 when you plug it in to install a package or whatever, don't go into usb mode Mar 29 17:16:46 nice!!.. Mar 29 17:16:47 command prompt Mar 29 17:16:49 color bomb works Mar 29 17:16:57 oh Mar 29 17:17:00 ive got command prompt open :P Mar 29 17:17:01 you want to "just charge" Mar 29 17:17:11 ah yes, def don't go into USB mode Mar 29 17:17:11 right, can you type "novaterm" into it? Mar 29 17:17:11 its in just charge now Mar 29 17:17:50 novacom -t open tty:// Mar 29 17:18:21 morning all Mar 29 17:18:23 unable to find device Mar 29 17:18:32 dev mode enabled? Mar 29 17:18:38 YoungGUN: oilsworkn: hmm, this is the first I've heard that palm-install works to bootie / recovery mode and that's very surprising. it does? how could it? Mar 29 17:18:53 i would be shocked if it did Mar 29 17:18:59 wait, it does?? Mar 29 17:19:00 hold on Mar 29 17:19:02 doesnt palm-install do installNoVerify like preware? Mar 29 17:19:03 let me reenable dev mode Mar 29 17:19:06 since i rebooted Mar 29 17:19:13 oilsworkn: yeah, no way it could work to bootie Mar 29 17:19:18 lol Mar 29 17:19:25 well, I want to try :p Mar 29 17:19:49 then if you end up in an infinite boot cycle, just palm-install -r when in recovery mode ;) Mar 29 17:21:04 PatrickC_Pre2: yeah, is not gonna happen. bootie only even accesses the boot partition, it certainly has no LVM awareness, etc. I think YoungGUN is mistaken if he thought it did anything meaningful when he tried palm-install at recovery mode Mar 29 17:21:57 man.... Mar 29 17:22:06 awesome!~!! Mar 29 17:22:10 2 color bombs Mar 29 17:22:18 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1226257835.png O.O Mar 29 17:22:38 how does google isp only have 3 and a half stars? Mar 29 17:22:40 what in the world???? Mar 29 17:22:40 i need to figure out how to do the laser animation now Mar 29 17:22:59 oilsworkn: this is the google ISP in that one city? Mar 29 17:23:17 its from one of the google offices Mar 29 17:23:28 http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gdyun/iama_we_are_three_members_of_the_google_chrome/ Mar 29 17:23:33 destinal, when i go into developer mode Mar 29 17:23:35 its set to on Mar 29 17:23:40 :/ still nothing on finding device Mar 29 17:24:42 um Mar 29 17:24:49 drivers problem? Mar 29 17:24:57 what host os / device / device os? Mar 29 17:25:06 palm novacom modules are in my device manager no ! or ? Mar 29 17:25:09 windows 7 - 32bit Mar 29 17:26:08 and device/device os version? Mar 29 17:26:20 palm pre and a palm pixi Mar 29 17:26:23 let me check firmware Mar 29 17:26:37 i know you need new drivers for 2.x Mar 29 17:27:16 but if you alread got those or done need them Mar 29 17:27:19 id say bad usb cable or port Mar 29 17:27:24 try others Mar 29 17:28:25 1.4.5 Mar 29 17:28:26 on my pixi Mar 29 17:30:01 really, if you have the drivers, and its in dev mode Mar 29 17:30:08 try a different cable and port Mar 29 17:30:09 it seems the only mode i can actually use palm-install on or any command that my "device is seen" is the power off and volume up + power Mar 29 17:30:24 and the difference between dev mode and when im in recovery mode Mar 29 17:30:33 is the drivers in my device manager say (bootie) instead of just novacom Mar 29 17:30:39 and when it says (bootie) it has no problem seeing it Mar 29 17:32:29 * oilsworkn is out of things to tell you Mar 29 17:32:34 :( Mar 29 17:32:40 :/ Mar 29 17:32:47 what device? Mar 29 17:32:59 oilsworkn: have you told him to restart? Mar 29 17:33:01 palm pixi, 1.4.5 only reads (bootie) in recovery mode Mar 29 17:33:07 hotdp i restarted a zillion times :P Mar 29 17:33:10 "did you turn if off and on again"? Mar 29 17:33:11 xD Mar 29 17:33:14 :P Mar 29 17:33:18 yessir :P Mar 29 17:33:45 maybe take it out of dev mode? reboot? put it back in dev mode? Mar 29 17:33:46 younggun: did you try a "erase apps and data"? Mar 29 17:33:52 ohh Mar 29 17:33:55 no sir i have not tried that yet PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 29 17:33:57 or try and re-install the drivers? Mar 29 17:34:02 that sounds like overkill heh Mar 29 17:34:02 ive reinstalled drivers yes Mar 29 17:34:13 and you're sure its in dev mde Mar 29 17:34:17 tryed different USB ports? Mar 29 17:34:23 oilsworkn: well, sometimes you need overkill... Mar 29 17:34:25 typed the code, started the app, toggled the toggle, rebooted? Mar 29 17:34:28 sadly Mar 29 17:34:46 okay so im gonna pull the battery Mar 29 17:34:47 reboot Mar 29 17:34:51 turn dev mode off Mar 29 17:34:51 reboot Mar 29 17:34:53 turn it on Mar 29 17:34:55 reboot? Mar 29 17:34:56 hotdp: already suggested new port and cable Mar 29 17:35:48 omg editted so much im not sure its gonna work now Mar 29 17:36:31 oki Mar 29 17:36:52 different computer? Mar 29 17:37:12 reboot the computer?? Mar 29 17:37:22 throw the computer over a cliff? Mar 29 17:38:02 lol Mar 29 17:38:08 http://webdiva305.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/fax-smash1.jpg Mar 29 17:38:27 thats crappy :) Mar 29 17:38:51 that's awesome :) Mar 29 17:39:24 replace the fax machine with my laptop, and you have me right about... every day :p Mar 29 17:40:37 awesome Mar 29 17:40:39 crashed chrome Mar 29 17:40:52 hehe Mar 29 17:41:09 that's always a good feeling, isn't it :p Mar 29 17:41:18 no Mar 29 17:41:23 weird Mar 29 17:41:24 love that movie Mar 29 17:41:25 i turned off dev mode Mar 29 17:41:29 rebooted Mar 29 17:41:31 turned it on Mar 29 17:41:33 and now it works Mar 29 17:41:42 but novacom -t :// doesn wrok Mar 29 17:41:50 reboot the PC? Mar 29 17:42:13 best line: 'seems like you've been missing a lot of work recently' 'can't say i've been missing it, bob' Mar 29 17:42:17 636mb ram one tab is eating Mar 29 17:42:33 that's more then my entire lapto :p Mar 29 17:42:42 and i had already closed the tab Mar 29 17:42:48 and it was still churning away Mar 29 17:43:09 using the laser, makes new lasers which end up crashing the whole system :P Mar 29 17:43:26 ahh i know Mar 29 17:43:35 mission accomplished? Mar 29 17:43:42 * halfhalo looks at the 10GB in his desktop Mar 29 17:43:57 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals 5GB for his laptop Mar 29 17:44:06 lol Mar 29 17:44:18 or at least 512MB Mar 29 17:44:26 you're at 256mb? Mar 29 17:44:33 I have 1GB ddr3 sticks for laptops sitting on my desk because I have no use for it Mar 29 17:44:35 thats like, unusable Mar 29 17:44:46 it was giving bonus pieces when using bonus peices, had to throw in a check for that :P Mar 29 17:44:59 oislworkn: try 128MB Mar 29 17:45:06 BURN Mar 29 17:45:07 for never ever using canvas, this is turning out spectaularly Mar 29 17:45:27 * halfhalo refuses to have a computer with less than 4GB in his house Mar 29 17:45:30 oh god Mar 29 17:45:31 im afraid to try it on the device (currently in browser) Mar 29 17:45:55 on-device canvas implementation screws some stuff up Mar 29 17:45:57 like, arcs Mar 29 17:46:00 halfhalo: I'll bring my laptop to ur house, then you an fix it :p Mar 29 17:46:04 oh im just drawing images Mar 29 17:46:11 PatrickC_Pre2: he'll just throw it away Mar 29 17:46:14 it will be a computer in your house with under 4GB Mar 29 17:46:20 if by fix you mean hit with rubber mallet then sure! Mar 29 17:46:25 then melt it with thermite Mar 29 17:46:33 Ran out of that yesterday Mar 29 17:46:41 aw Mar 29 17:55:44 so Tibfib which music player is faster according to lumberjack? Mar 29 17:57:52 so anyways Mar 29 17:58:12 ... Mar 29 17:58:22 i saw my first canabis commerical .. im like wtf :D Mar 29 17:58:45 do they really need to advertise it? Mar 29 17:58:53 yes... yes they do. Mar 29 17:58:56 canabis > tobacco Mar 29 17:58:58 all day every day. Mar 29 18:01:28 their ad could just be the irony of it all by the streets Mar 29 18:09:22 * oilsworkn killed #wirc again Mar 29 18:09:27 i mean, #webos Mar 29 18:09:34 but, #wirc is dead, too Mar 29 18:09:46 wirc is like, always dead :p Mar 29 18:10:06 cause there is never any problems with wirc, duh Mar 29 18:10:09 does 2.x no longer merge contacts with the same name? Mar 29 18:10:30 yea, wirc is *totally* bug free Mar 29 18:10:39 how is the app cat version comin? Mar 29 18:11:13 idk, you're right, waiting on puffy Mar 29 18:19:16 pixi's are arm 6 right? Mar 29 18:19:19 pres are arm 7? Mar 29 18:19:27 yes Mar 29 18:19:32 yes Mar 29 18:19:40 wonderful :) Mar 29 18:19:50 oilsworkn: is the pre2 armv7? Mar 29 18:19:58 i believe so Mar 29 18:19:59 i believe so Mar 29 18:20:11 you think they might put an arm9 in pre3? Mar 29 18:20:26 didnt they already say what it was? Mar 29 18:20:38 I don't know... Mar 29 18:20:45 oilsworkn should check :) Mar 29 18:20:45 some new unreleased qualcom Mar 29 18:21:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs another battery Mar 29 18:22:16 * oilsworkn is fighting to stay awake Mar 29 18:22:41 5 hr energy should fix that ;) Mar 29 18:22:54 eww Mar 29 18:23:15 a9 Mar 29 18:23:22 a9? Mar 29 18:23:56 lol Mar 29 18:24:32 He's Dead, Jim! Something cause this webpage to be killed, either because the operating system ran out of memory, or for some other reason. To continue, press Reload or go to another page. Mar 29 18:24:41 @ google chrome crashed tab Mar 29 18:25:25 poor chrome Mar 29 18:25:28 haha Mar 29 18:27:06 I hope amazon mp3 gets updated on webOS with the new cloud player Mar 29 18:28:23 PatrickC_Pre2, you want beta? Mar 29 18:28:28 yea! Mar 29 18:28:35 defiantly :) Mar 29 18:28:43 ok go find me some good sound effect sites Mar 29 18:28:59 i need a tingaling sound, a foomph! Mar 29 18:29:01 what kind of sound effects? Mar 29 18:29:03 ok Mar 29 18:29:08 *tiggggggggle* Mar 29 18:29:10 and a lazer Mar 29 18:29:13 *fwooooomp* Mar 29 18:29:23 *zzzzzzzzt* Mar 29 18:29:28 there you go :) Mar 29 18:29:40 lol Mar 29 18:31:01 dawm: record those from old Tom & Jerry cartoons Mar 29 18:32:13 hey what drivers do i need for "novacom" in other devices? Mar 29 18:32:26 my beezl drivers dont seem to work Mar 29 18:32:54 download the sdk? Mar 29 18:33:14 i got it :X Mar 29 18:33:57 re-install it? Mar 29 18:34:00 my pre came! :D Mar 29 18:34:11 pre2? Mar 29 18:34:12 * Xuzz upgrading to 2.1.0 and moving over the SIM from iPhone Mar 29 18:34:16 yeah, pre 3 Mar 29 18:34:17 er Mar 29 18:34:18 pre 2 Mar 29 18:34:20 :P Mar 29 18:34:22 yay!! Mar 29 18:34:37 isnt the iphone a microsim? Mar 29 18:34:41 ahhh wow Mar 29 18:34:46 i was using treo drivers Mar 29 18:34:47 wtf Mar 29 18:34:48 CTLAdvance|2: yeah; it's just a little plastic adapter Mar 29 18:34:56 lol nice Mar 29 18:35:12 (the actual hardware is the same, just the amount of plastic around the edges is different :P) Mar 29 18:35:13 I don't think those will work YoungGUN :) Mar 29 18:35:21 lol nope PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 29 18:35:23 yep Mar 29 18:35:29 lol Dr. Skipped Firstuse Mar 29 18:35:45 good afternoon Dr. Xuzz Mar 29 18:47:44 hmm Mar 29 18:47:47 just did a fresh install on my pc Mar 29 18:47:54 java + novacom drivers Mar 29 18:48:00 and im still getting palm-install not recognized command now Mar 29 18:48:36 are you sure the java bin directory is in your PATH? Mar 29 18:48:50 what do u mean in my path? Mar 29 18:48:56 palm-install pulls from any directory though Mar 29 18:48:59 atleast it did on my work pc Mar 29 18:50:10 sigh... Im thinking something else. Mar 29 18:50:18 ? Mar 29 18:51:12 hmm Mar 29 18:51:19 if i navigate to the palm-sdk-bin folder Mar 29 18:51:24 i can then execute the command Mar 29 18:51:34 but i got a failed with status: failed_packagefile_not_found Mar 29 18:51:56 did you restart? Mar 29 18:52:03 of course Mar 29 18:52:04 :) Mar 29 18:52:08 thats basic 101 trouble shooting :P Mar 29 18:52:43 check your path variable Mar 29 18:52:54 did you try palm-install.bat ? Mar 29 18:53:06 palm-install.bat just opens and closes when ran Mar 29 18:53:09 most of the bat files just do that Mar 29 18:53:12 or do u mean as a command? Mar 29 18:53:16 in the command line Mar 29 18:53:37 .bat might not be registered as an executable extension in your enviroment vars Mar 29 18:55:00 did you re-install the sdk? Mar 29 18:55:04 drag the .bat to the command window and run from there. that way error stays visible Mar 29 18:55:28 that way the error* Mar 29 18:55:32 palm-install.bat doesn't work without an argument Mar 29 18:56:31 lol just set up eclipse with the 1 click package/install Mar 29 18:57:36 eclipse doesn't like me Mar 29 18:57:45 (or it doesn't like my computer) Mar 29 18:58:11 i dont like your computer. Mar 29 18:58:40 not many do xD Mar 29 18:58:43 I don't lol Mar 29 18:58:49 but, its a working computer Mar 29 19:00:13 debatable Mar 29 19:01:13 well, it turns on, has a text editor, has a USB port, and has a cmd line Mar 29 19:04:51 lol Mar 29 19:04:56 rehi Mar 29 19:05:01 hello Mar 29 19:05:11 hi swisstomcat Mar 29 19:07:21 bbl Mar 29 19:07:48 any1 using a dreambox here ? Mar 29 19:08:17 dreambox? Mar 29 19:08:32 my pre2 is my dreambox ;) Mar 29 19:08:38 hehe Mar 29 19:10:06 swisstomcat, hah Mar 29 19:10:27 dunno what it is but my pre2 has become buttery smooth again over the last couple of days Mar 29 19:10:41 had slowed down of recent Mar 29 19:10:51 only thing ive done is changed the battery :S Mar 29 19:11:04 so...rebooted Mar 29 19:11:15 back :D Mar 29 19:11:37 I need to get a T5 driver... Mar 29 19:12:03 dreambox == sat receiver, seems to have pretty scriptable web frontend Mar 29 19:12:06 ideal for a app Mar 29 19:13:24 i need to find sound effects Mar 29 19:13:54 can't just steal them like everyone else... Mar 29 19:14:12 * Loudergood still can't get over the cash registers with sound effects from sonic the hedgehog Mar 29 19:14:16 lol Mar 29 19:16:14 Loudergood, nah, I had rebooted plenty of times over the last couple of weeks. Even to the point of hard reset... Mar 29 19:16:21 bit weird Mar 29 19:16:32 perhaps the battery was cocked Mar 29 19:20:52 so, uh; what's the best webOS twitter client? I'm seeing Tweed and Bad Kitty at the top right now? Mar 29 19:21:11 carbon and badkitty Mar 29 19:21:19 carbon is very good Mar 29 19:21:43 +1 carbon Mar 29 19:21:50 was a big fan of badkitty Mar 29 19:21:56 carbon is in the catalog? Mar 29 19:22:00 but just something about carbon works better Mar 29 19:22:10 app scopp is what you need Mar 29 19:22:13 scoop* Mar 29 19:22:24 install from the beta feed Mar 29 19:22:24 carbon is in beta Mar 29 19:22:27 ^^ Mar 29 19:22:36 http://twitter.com/#!/Tsheeeep/status/52811174479273984 Mar 29 19:22:47 hope unbenwired does the right thing :) Mar 29 19:22:49 spaz Mar 29 19:23:12 Carbon is really nice except the many bugs Mar 29 19:23:16 Xuzz: why do you care what other people thing? Mar 29 19:23:24 oh right, you can't use them for free 8D Mar 29 19:23:32 think even Mar 29 19:25:27 do people just not make demo apps anymore? Mar 29 19:26:08 yay, finally get to actually run my app on an actual device :D Mar 29 19:27:51 thomaschaaf: what does unwiredben need to do? Mar 29 19:28:04 PatrickC_Away: I need an account I can use Mar 29 19:28:16 an account for what? Mar 29 19:28:26 PatrickC_Pre2: to get the account information Mar 29 19:28:32 maybe you could help me too :) Mar 29 19:28:33 did you see that Precentral about your site Mar 29 19:28:36 yes :) Mar 29 19:28:40 very long :D Mar 29 19:28:40 ok, how can I help? Mar 29 19:28:54 I'll discuss that privately :) Mar 29 19:29:27 ok Mar 29 19:30:44 I didn't get any email from your site... Mar 29 19:34:13 MetaView: what app? Mar 29 19:35:51 MetaView: every com.metaviewsoft.* app I have doesn't have new reviews or a new version Mar 29 19:36:07 I don't send out an email if you don't have changes Mar 29 19:37:44 bbl Mar 29 19:39:07 is the creator of audiophile also here ? Mar 29 19:40:21 it's de.metaviewsoft.* Mar 29 19:41:10 7016 apps Mar 29 19:41:28 What are we talking about? Mar 29 19:42:07 thomaschaaf: wrote something which fetchs the comments fro mthe app catalog Mar 29 19:42:14 how awesome metaview is :) Mar 29 19:43:00 ? Mar 29 19:43:13 7016 apps in the catalog, not all mine Mar 29 19:43:20 Mm, I think I saw that mentioned. I should sign up for that. webosschool had something that created an RSS feed for your comments but it stopped working. Mar 29 19:43:33 metaview: what? Mar 29 19:43:48 roy-pre101: its a nice program Mar 29 19:44:37 it doesn't work Mar 29 19:45:11 it won't work for US apps Mar 29 19:45:13 not yet Mar 29 19:45:20 I don't have US apps Mar 29 19:45:23 I'm gonna help thomaschaaf fix that tonight Mar 29 19:45:29 oh, weird then Mar 29 19:51:45 has anyone else had a pre that had a bad power button? Mar 29 19:51:52 like, one that works, but its very wobbly, and you could take it off very easily Mar 29 19:52:31 there are threads and threads about that Mar 29 19:53:28 googling now Mar 29 19:54:01 well, is it even worth trying to fix? Mar 29 19:54:10 or should I just have sprint replace it? Mar 29 19:54:16 lol Mar 29 19:54:20 I'm not sure Mar 29 19:54:26 I've just seen it Mar 29 20:11:09 bbl Mar 29 20:31:20 if I find a defective ATM and it gives me the option to get money without inserting a card.. is that stealing.. probably so huh?.. Mar 29 20:31:40 yes Mar 29 20:31:47 unless the camera is broke Mar 29 20:33:30 does our webkit support @font-face ? Mar 29 20:34:23 it's still stealing, so if the convenience store camera across the street catches you, you're screwed Mar 29 20:34:34 dawm: no clue, but I think no Mar 29 20:34:56 anyone here whos good at understanding sdk? Mar 29 20:35:28 * sugardave knows some things. "But I am in/out messing with a dishwasher that's not draining." Mar 29 20:36:04 sugardave Mar 29 20:36:15 im trying to eliminate as much as i can from the palm folder that the sdk installs Mar 29 20:36:26 just to the bare minimum for using the .bat files in the sdk bin folder Mar 29 20:36:49 why? Mar 29 20:37:16 because my company represents 3500 people nationwide with over 4000 pcs, im really not trying to download 200+mb to get the only files i need working are the palm-install.bat :P Mar 29 20:37:22 so im trying to reduce it down to around 50mb if i can Mar 29 20:38:08 well, you could eliminate the emu image Mar 29 20:38:14 that should be a big chunk Mar 29 20:42:04 YoungGUN: 141 MB is the size of the included emulator .vmdk.zip file, so that gets you down to 60-80 MB Mar 29 20:42:25 you need at least the share/jars directory Mar 29 20:42:25 wonderful :) Mar 29 20:42:30 yeah i got it down to 50mb Mar 29 20:42:30 working Mar 29 20:42:34 sweet Mar 29 20:42:37 but i cant use palm-install from anywhere on my pc Mar 29 20:42:41 i have to navigate to the sdk-bin folder Mar 29 20:42:45 but i can deal with that Mar 29 20:42:56 that just sounds like a path problem Mar 29 20:43:04 path problem? Mar 29 20:43:08 what OS? Mar 29 20:43:13 windows 7 Mar 29 20:43:20 it doesnt recognize palm-install as a command Mar 29 20:43:24 unless im in the palm-sdk-bin folder Mar 29 20:43:28 so, like: echo %PATH% from a command line Mar 29 20:43:28 hrm Mar 29 20:43:34 will show you your current path Mar 29 20:43:34 YoungGUN, you still have to be careful, but cause it's probably not legal to redistribute the sdk yourself, especially if you've altered it Mar 29 20:43:53 magically my game stops processing mouse events when its gameover.. but i dont know why Mar 29 20:44:27 YoungGUN: the palm installer will update your path variable so that the sdk-bin dir is in it Mar 29 20:44:41 and RagingMind makes a valid point Mar 29 20:45:31 well what my company does Mar 29 20:45:35 is already a "grey area" Mar 29 20:46:05 it isnt illegal what we do, the government says so, though its frowned upon by "big business" even though its free advertising, and more products of theirs on the market Mar 29 20:46:49 what you do and redistributing HP/Palm software are two different things to consider Mar 29 20:47:15 that is very true ragingmind, i guess its technically modifing it from its original package Mar 29 20:47:18 by removing larger items Mar 29 20:50:47 YoungGUN: what does your company do Mar 29 20:51:05 cwayne, we flash phones to other carrier, im the android specialist, and smart phone developer. Mar 29 20:51:18 now my new project os palms, so im still a noobtube when it comes to doing things the palm way Mar 29 20:52:44 we are probably the #1 flashing company in the country Mar 29 20:55:17 rwhitby: you there? Mar 29 21:02:50 #webosinternals Mar 29 21:03:00 #webos-internals Mar 29 21:12:52 reviewtomail.com will get some pimping on the live site in terms of css so if it is not looking good at all I am probably making some changes :) Mar 29 21:24:56 anyone here know how to edit apns? Mar 29 21:25:26 omg.. speed 5 is on the brink of to fast Mar 29 21:25:33 atleast i know the limits ;D Mar 29 21:35:44 anyone here know how to edit apns? Mar 29 21:35:59 soulshadow?! Mar 29 21:36:01 wtf? Mar 29 21:36:06 hey guy :P Mar 29 21:36:14 no Mar 29 21:36:17 * YoungGUN assumes ur the same soulshadow i know Mar 29 21:36:22 this is not the SoulShadow you are looking for Mar 29 21:36:25 * sugardave laffs. Mar 29 21:37:18 awh sad day :P Mar 29 21:59:47 :'( never develop in chrome Mar 29 21:59:51 :'( Mar 29 21:59:55 css I mean Mar 29 22:00:12 or at least develop in a tab where you have visited no other links Mar 29 22:00:19 so that backspace does nothing Mar 29 22:00:21 :( Mar 29 22:00:30 1 hour of work gone :( Mar 29 22:00:54 in 12 hours we'll have a new reviewtomail design inspired by preware Mar 29 22:08:40 there i believe i have speeds for the 9 levels ;P Mar 29 22:08:47 altho it resets ever 1000 points Mar 29 22:11:35 * oilsworkn peeks into #webos Mar 29 22:12:41 autsch Mar 29 22:12:44 anyone here know how to edit apns? Mar 29 22:13:06 * oilsworkn doesn't even know what apns is Mar 29 22:13:19 access points for GSM internet Mar 29 22:13:28 ah Mar 29 22:13:30 not just gsm Mar 29 22:13:31 cdma too Mar 29 22:13:34 it controls ur mms Mar 29 22:14:38 * oilsworkn watched ruby engadget interview thing Mar 29 22:14:59 the back and forth of josh get him to be specific on anything was hilarious Mar 29 22:15:27 heh, it was Mar 29 22:23:22 * oilsworkn is really bored Mar 29 22:23:51 the temperature here in my office is like putting me to sleep Mar 29 22:24:51 * oilsworkn needs to turn up the ac Mar 29 22:25:27 * Loudergood checks Mar 29 22:25:33 yup there's still snow out the window Mar 29 22:25:41 and the river's frozen Mar 29 22:27:20 we've just been getting lots of rain Mar 29 22:29:20 xsunny days here Mar 29 22:30:10 sunny here too Mar 29 22:30:11 hrm.. level 9 you gotta bust yer ass.. but you only need to score like 300 points to reset back to level 0 Mar 29 22:30:18 gets yer heart racing tho :P Mar 29 22:30:34 hm Mar 29 22:46:22 so whats everyone working on? Mar 29 22:47:08 PamFax Mar 29 22:47:19 oh? Mar 29 22:47:23 send faxs from pre? Mar 29 22:47:39 nothing right now Mar 29 22:47:55 wtf dave Mar 29 22:48:00 I know Mar 29 22:48:03 it's weird Mar 29 22:48:21 I think I may play with some Enyo things Mar 29 22:48:33 maybe I should learn some canvas crap Mar 29 22:48:51 you should Mar 29 22:48:53 its FUN Mar 29 22:49:02 lol Mar 29 22:49:05 but I don't know how to draw :( Mar 29 22:49:06 * oilsworkn curses canvas Mar 29 22:49:41 hrm my animate feature aint working.. Mar 29 22:49:44 oilsworkn: yes Mar 29 22:50:22 though Mar 29 22:50:49 the extent of my canvas experience is a crappy tower defense game i started long ago and never finished Mar 29 22:50:55 and the graphs in govnah/lumbo Mar 29 22:51:24 and i suck at math Mar 29 22:51:45 yes math sucks Mar 29 22:51:59 YES! Mar 29 22:52:05 poor self documentation :P Mar 29 22:52:08 animation working again Mar 29 22:52:10 agreed, I am not looking forward to taking Calc 2 Mar 29 22:52:10 heh Mar 29 22:52:52 i changed my background image and had to reoffset my values.. no idea why but ive got some values that make no sense.. but it works Mar 29 22:52:53 I did MapTool with canvas Mar 29 22:53:25 just added a flashing 'WARNING' when the game gets close to ending ;D Mar 29 22:53:31 dawm it doesnt have to make sense if it works! Mar 29 22:53:45 yeah but making this pixi friendly is gonna be a pain Mar 29 22:53:51 meh Mar 29 22:54:11 i only know of one person who uses a pixi as their main device Mar 29 22:54:15 and thats puffthemagic Mar 29 22:54:20 lol Mar 29 22:54:39 though, veer is dropping before pre3 Mar 29 22:54:40 well they still sell the pixi sooo.. new users are more likely to be using a pixi Mar 29 22:54:42 and its the same as pixi Mar 29 22:54:45 so maybe ill have to Mar 29 22:54:46 and with veer.. ya know Mar 29 22:54:56 give a crap Mar 29 22:55:06 MetaView, you're the maptool guy? Mar 29 22:55:16 my xbl app doesnt work on pixi Mar 29 22:55:33 the side scrolling is broken due to the screen size and whatever magic palm does to make scrollers work Mar 29 22:55:44 well, and my hacks on top of that to lock it into place Mar 29 22:55:49 :/ Mar 29 22:56:04 i really hope this works on the device Mar 29 22:56:09 lol Mar 29 22:56:10 maybe i should make a quick package and see.. Mar 29 22:56:21 as long as you dont have any arcs you're probably ok xD Mar 29 22:56:27 or any per-pixel manipulation Mar 29 22:56:32 nah, just drawing images Mar 29 22:56:43 but its running at 60fps on my desktop Mar 29 22:56:49 lol Mar 29 22:56:54 which is what, 4 cores? Mar 29 22:57:00 over a gig of ram Mar 29 22:57:06 nah 2 cores, 2gb ram Mar 29 22:57:16 webkit version released within the last 2 years Mar 29 22:57:25 haha Mar 29 22:57:38 where is dkirker when i need to yell at him for something? Mar 29 22:57:40 lol Mar 29 22:57:54 he's on the "core webkit" team now eh Mar 29 22:58:40 that's right Mar 29 22:59:11 he needs to add the code so we can spawn a new stage and specify its stacking partner Mar 29 22:59:22 hrm.. Mar 29 22:59:35 its stuck at the flashing icon and card view Mar 29 22:59:43 heh Mar 29 22:59:50 time to check the logs Mar 29 23:00:04 oilsworkn: we should be able to upgrade webkit ourselves, if palm gave us what we needed to make the damn thing build (they may now and I just haven't checked recently) Mar 29 23:00:32 well, thats inside webos though, no? Mar 29 23:00:38 * oilsworkn doesnt understand those parts Mar 29 23:00:43 can we just replace that one part of it? Mar 29 23:00:50 oilsworkn: it's just a library dynamically linked in, so yeah. Mar 29 23:00:59 i always thought of webos as "The Browser" Mar 29 23:01:16 where each card is a tab Mar 29 23:01:21 destinal: oh, well thats cool Mar 29 23:01:37 someone in the know should get on that :) Mar 29 23:01:49 nothing at all in the log.. wtf Mar 29 23:01:56 oilsworkn: some core pieces of webos like webkit are open source and, theoretically at least, user-modifiable parts. (webkit for one though when I had trouble with it, palm, prior to HP acquisition, told me it wasn't their job to help me compile things) Mar 29 23:02:08 haha Mar 29 23:02:10 doh Mar 29 23:02:11 I was like, no no no, you don't understand, if it doesn't compile, things are *missing* Mar 29 23:02:14 had a typo in appinfo Mar 29 23:02:17 crickets Mar 29 23:02:19 hahaha Mar 29 23:02:35 lol Mar 29 23:02:40 hrm still nothing Mar 29 23:03:04 i wonder if hte reason for no update is it breaking apps Mar 29 23:03:41 anyways, time to get out of here Mar 29 23:03:50 b... Mar 29 23:06:17 ok well it works Mar 29 23:06:20 but appears to be SLOWE Mar 29 23:07:03 like half speed Mar 29 23:07:45 it's clobberin' time Mar 29 23:08:40 its like 30ms on my pc is 60ms on device Mar 29 23:09:51 how do i use top for cpu/mem usage? Mar 29 23:11:37 LunaSysMgr is using 80% cpu.. Mar 29 23:12:57 lol Mar 29 23:14:29 hrm Mar 29 23:14:49 i dropped it down to like 25fps, still 80% usage Mar 29 23:18:15 Adora: cool interview Mar 29 23:19:07 destinal: what are you referring to? Mar 29 23:19:15 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/03/meet-the-team-lisa-brewster/ Mar 29 23:19:26 oh nice, thanks1 Mar 29 23:19:27 ! Mar 29 23:20:06 lol @ "Spaz sucks" Mar 29 23:21:02 yeah haah Mar 29 23:21:04 just saw that Mar 29 23:21:32 hrm Mar 29 23:21:40 palm-worm shows 0 cpu usage.. Mar 29 23:21:54 your app is perfect! Mar 29 23:21:59 yah Mar 29 23:22:12 LunaSysMgr still sucking 80% cpu when app is running Mar 29 23:22:25 ooh. not a perfect app :) Mar 29 23:22:34 and it runs at less than half speed Mar 29 23:22:34 hmm, there seems to be some discrepancy Mar 29 23:22:46 i mean user interaction is perfect Mar 29 23:22:52 but timing (redraw) is way off Mar 29 23:24:58 Anyone use a roku box? Mar 29 23:25:20 dropped it down to 1000/25 instead of 1000/60 Mar 29 23:25:30 shows no change on pc.. and no change on device :( Mar 29 23:27:46 ok this is messed up Mar 29 23:27:56 cranked it up to 1000/100 and its down to 34% usage Mar 29 23:29:33 maybe ill doctor the pre2 and see what it can do Mar 29 23:31:42 hrm swap&drop uses 33% usage.. and its ancient and cobbled together Mar 29 23:32:27 critical mass ues 70% Mar 29 23:32:37 maybe i need to refine some of my for loops Mar 29 23:32:44 maybe im crunching to much Mar 29 23:39:57 hrm Mar 29 23:40:02 device is 1 minute slower than my pc Mar 29 23:49:51 hehehe... that's the reason we needed 2.x on our devices, but they never listen :D Mar 29 23:50:26 ive got alot of data processing going on Mar 29 23:50:36 lots of for loops and running thru arrays Mar 29 23:50:41 trying to see where i can cut it down Mar 29 23:51:08 Yep, try it, because you can't rely on your users overclocking their devices just to use your app :D Mar 29 23:51:19 oh yeah and im overclocked.. Mar 29 23:51:29 haha oops Mar 29 23:51:44 yeah I don't think I could use mplayer if I wasn't Mar 29 23:52:41 theres plenty of places i can cut down, its just figuring out the proper way Mar 29 23:53:16 like processing bonus pieces, ive got 2 bonus pieces and i run thru the array twice checking for each, if i combine it into one run thru that will help a bit Mar 30 00:04:59 man adding that warning graphic makes it nice and easy to know when im running out of room :D Mar 30 00:11:29 I got a quick question, how do you toggle a drawer's state between open and closed? Mar 30 00:12:08 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1916 Mar 30 00:12:31 this.controller.get('drawersid').mojo.toggleState(); Mar 30 00:13:07 oh, i was using the wrong one Mar 30 00:13:08 thanks! Mar 30 00:13:11 np Mar 30 00:15:54 ugh Mar 30 00:16:07 its as optimized as it can get, removed all the unneeded for loops Mar 30 00:20:45 down to 50% usage from 80% Mar 30 00:20:46 ;D Mar 30 00:25:01 so with vista and windows 7, if 1 admin as access, then he/she can change the password of another admin, anyway to stop that? awhile keeping both admins? like is there away to have super admin? :P Mar 30 00:25:10 dawm: any good resources on how to start profiling? Mar 30 00:25:33 if it was mojofied id say use palm-worm to see whats left over when you exit Mar 30 00:25:34 YoungGUN: that seems to be an extremely non-webos related question :) Mar 30 00:25:37 or while running Mar 30 00:26:00 my first app didnt reuse listeners when it started a new game Mar 30 00:26:09 YoungGUN: and 'no', I don't know anything about that atrocity Mar 30 00:26:16 so a long game would build up with random crap Mar 30 00:26:35 dawm: it didn't disconnect listeners? or didn't reuse them? Mar 30 00:26:43 im currently using novaterm and top to see what the apps eating Mar 30 00:26:47 it didnt stoplistening Mar 30 00:26:50 and created new Mar 30 00:27:01 so playing for awhile meant alot of unused listeners Mar 30 00:27:01 ah ok, otherwise I'd assume they'd be garbage collected Mar 30 00:27:05 yeah Mar 30 00:27:12 swap&drop uses a listener for every game piece (not smart, but it works) Mar 30 00:27:23 that's how I did Mind Master Mar 30 00:27:24 and on a 8x8 game board, with multiple plays Mar 30 00:27:24 horrible Mar 30 00:27:33 theres alot just sitting there Mar 30 00:27:41 if i were to redo swapndrop it would be so much better Mar 30 00:27:46 dawm: how do you inspect it with novaterm. Perhaps an obvious question Mar 30 00:27:55 login with novaterm Mar 30 00:28:03 and use the command, top Mar 30 00:28:08 its like taskmanager in windows Mar 30 00:28:09 ah, just the linux stuff Mar 30 00:28:15 I cannot make canvas tutorial examples work Mar 30 00:28:16 yeah, I know my way around in linux :) Mar 30 00:28:20 hit c to sort by CPU usage, hit m to sort by memory Mar 30 00:28:35 dave ill give you a link that helped me TONS Mar 30 00:28:36 * madnificent uses top while on the go with one of the termal apps Mar 30 00:28:40 in the end i wrote my own sprite manager Mar 30 00:28:52 dawm: it may be not working because of the framework Mar 30 00:28:54 http://michalbe.blogspot.com/2010/09/simple-game-with-html5-canvas-part-1.html Mar 30 00:28:58 I have a canvas Mar 30 00:29:04 its basically a tutorial on doodle jump Mar 30 00:29:13 but the simple fillStyle/fillRect does nothing Mar 30 00:29:25 dawm: but, cool, I will check it out as well Mar 30 00:29:26 dawm: I was hoping for something like time or at least something that worked on a per-app basis Mar 30 00:29:36 madnificent, nothing that i know of Mar 30 00:29:46 palm-worm lets you see all the handles/dom elements Mar 30 00:30:00 its how i found my flaw in swapndrop Mar 30 00:30:10 why is my cpu all cranked up Mar 30 00:30:13 yeah, lumberjack uses that, which is nice Mar 30 00:30:23 nice Mar 30 00:30:31 when novaterm loses connection Mar 30 00:30:34 it just eats cpu Mar 30 00:30:41 that's odd Mar 30 00:31:05 an infinite loop somewhere in palm's code (something that keeps trying to connect, perhaps) Mar 30 00:31:22 woo, it wasnt a fluke Mar 30 00:31:28 rebooted my pre, still around 50% usage Mar 30 00:31:38 timing is a bit better too Mar 30 00:32:09 whats the screenshot key combo again? Mar 30 00:32:15 im gonna post a quick sshot :P Mar 30 00:32:26 sym-orange-p? Mar 30 00:32:57 I think that's it Mar 30 00:33:05 * madnificent noticed that the timer app he's been using for some time actually uses a different timescale, one that seems to have many many more hours in a day Mar 30 00:33:22 incf sugardave Mar 30 00:35:52 Hi all! Does anyone know what version of WebKit is used in 1.4.5, and which in 2.1? Mar 30 00:36:23 http://twitpic.com/4esevl Mar 30 00:36:26 incf? Mar 30 00:36:29 wth is that? Mar 30 00:37:02 Trying to demonstrate that a website breaks compatibility in older versions of webkit, but I don't know which version is the baseline. Mar 30 00:37:17 dawm: that looks cool Mar 30 00:37:18 It's broken in 1.4.5, and works in 2.1 Mar 30 00:37:24 sugardave++ , happy now? Mar 30 00:37:35 madnificent: hah Mar 30 00:37:39 its all canvas cept for that blue part at the top Mar 30 00:37:45 digitalelph, I think both were branched off a long time ago and are pretty old, with palm patching it as they go Mar 30 00:37:51 warning flashes when your 2 row below the top Mar 30 00:37:59 digitalelph, you could look through the source code on palm's site :) Mar 30 00:38:23 Good idea. Thanks RagingMind! =) Mar 30 00:38:32 hey PatrickC_Pre Mar 30 00:38:56 hay dawm Mar 30 00:38:58 since youve been on my case alot Mar 30 00:38:59 http://twitpic.com/4esevl Mar 30 00:39:01 beta time? :) Mar 30 00:39:06 sugardave: it's the same thing, yet a tad more flexible, it can work on the equivalent of a function ( in js, it could translate to myObject.someFunction().someOtherFunction()++; which isn't expressible, I think... yet it works on irc people as well! And it makes them better! Mar 30 00:39:18 dawm: colory! Mar 30 00:39:34 dawm :) Mar 30 00:39:39 PatrickC_Pre, nope. its at 50% cpu usage (im overclocked too), but about an hour ago it was 80% :P Mar 30 00:39:58 dawm: the blue bar deserves some attention, but the rest looks slick Mar 30 00:40:13 the blue bar is just dev junk Mar 30 00:40:20 awesome! so, its tetris? Mar 30 00:40:24 no Mar 30 00:40:34 dawm: shouldn't you display your score somewhere? Mar 30 00:40:40 dawm: perhaps behind the blocks? Mar 30 00:40:44 not that far yet Mar 30 00:40:50 hence the dev crap Mar 30 00:40:55 i guess its like the bubbles game Mar 30 00:40:58 madnificent: score is in top left Mar 30 00:41:03 is that Pixi height? Mar 30 00:41:06 at the top somewhere... Mar 30 00:41:11 except the bottom box fills up and slides at the bottom of the main grid Mar 30 00:41:20 PatrickC_Pre: yes it is, but not for long :) Mar 30 00:41:21 match 3+ connecting Mar 30 00:41:31 score will be at the bottom Mar 30 00:41:49 the bluebar is just part of my spacing when working in chrome Mar 30 00:41:50 ah ok Mar 30 00:41:59 its to take the place of the webos titlebar Mar 30 00:42:15 dawm: chrome? Mar 30 00:42:22 yeah? Mar 30 00:42:23 dawm: either case, we're talking about something bad that'll not be in there, so it looks like it's coming around nicely :D Mar 30 00:42:34 all i did was rename my test.html to index.html in the app root :P Mar 30 00:42:52 plays awesome in chrome :P Mar 30 00:43:02 it looks awesome :) Mar 30 00:44:00 this is what its kinda based on Mar 30 00:44:02 http://www.popcap.com/games/free/bigmoney Mar 30 00:47:03 2 days so far of making it work in canvas Mar 30 00:47:09 had a rough version made months ago Mar 30 00:47:32 that was just divs changing colors Mar 30 00:47:44 theres no drop animation, but it sure looks like there is :P Mar 30 00:48:17 looks fun Mar 30 00:49:49 goddamned dawm, now I'm playing Mar 30 00:49:54 :) Mar 30 00:50:00 its the 'same' game but better Mar 30 00:50:08 i never liked bubbles or same game Mar 30 00:51:13 it also feels 'good' to play Mar 30 00:51:26 big money is pretty much a mouse clicker Mar 30 00:51:31 just click all over as fast as you can Mar 30 00:52:12 LoL, a bit of strategy seems to help Mar 30 00:55:43 'llo funkatron Mar 30 00:56:14 heya Mar 30 01:19:06 * PatrickC_Pre2 *waves hi* Mar 30 01:19:23 dawm: how's it comin? Mar 30 01:19:43 i added a gameover overlay Mar 30 01:19:44 thats about it Mar 30 01:19:48 im being lazy now Mar 30 01:19:59 hehe Mar 30 01:20:04 i need sounds bad, cant find none (that i dont have to pay for) Mar 30 01:20:17 youtube :) Mar 30 01:20:30 bout to start digging in iphone games Mar 30 01:20:32 :X Mar 30 01:21:00 Android games too Mar 30 01:22:03 thomaschaaf: you here? Mar 30 01:23:35 i cannot stop listening to the tron legacy remix album Mar 30 01:24:02 lol Mar 30 01:25:17 Got a quick question, and probably a really simple answer. I've got a scroll fade bar thing on the top and drawers on a page. When the drawers open they cause the scroll fader to appear (expected) but when they close the scroll fade is still there (not expected). Is there an example out there on how to fix this? Mar 30 01:26:45 hay graywolf336 Mar 30 01:28:07 hey PatrickC Mar 30 01:28:17 how's it goin? Mar 30 01:28:48 Good just trying to finish up an app and that's only of the things keeping me back Mar 30 01:29:15 what's it do? Mar 30 01:30:15 The scroll fade bar doesn't disappear like it's supposed to. Mar 30 01:31:54 I mean, what's the app do? Mar 30 01:31:55 :) Mar 30 01:33:54 A radio app Mar 30 01:38:55 the last.fm app? Mar 30 01:40:52 no Mar 30 01:40:57 di.fm Mar 30 01:41:06 the last.fm app is bs.. only cause when i asked them for permission, they totally denied me Mar 30 01:41:14 now apparently theres one in the works Mar 30 01:42:39 i love mega jump for iphone Mar 30 01:42:41 its so cute Mar 30 01:43:14 its pretty much doodle jump, but instead of landing on things you land on coins that propel you Mar 30 01:44:25 what last.fm app? Mar 30 01:44:40 there's one that I download and use all the time that seems to work rather well Mar 30 01:45:55 on the palm site Mar 30 01:46:00 they show a last.fm icon as if its an app Mar 30 01:46:25 http://www.palm.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/index.html Mar 30 01:48:00 WHOA Mar 30 01:48:08 http://openfeint.com/developers/of_connect Mar 30 01:48:13 look what is in that picture Mar 30 01:48:50 they had a Pre on there when I looked last time Mar 30 01:49:04 i never saw one Mar 30 01:49:08 Farmville? Mar 30 01:49:22 its surprising to see webOS listed on a form Mar 30 01:49:24 a Pre with a Galaxy tab? Mar 30 01:50:34 dawm: what was the link to the Palm site for? Mar 30 01:50:39 cool Mar 30 01:50:47 PatrickC_Pre2, the last.fm icon Mar 30 01:51:04 If you scroll down to "Apps at your fingertips" Mar 30 01:52:29 dawm: they just hate you Mar 30 01:57:12 If I submit an app for review by palm, will it be automatically be published in the app catalog, or can I still manually choose to publish it? Mar 30 01:57:20 automatic Mar 30 01:58:22 hmmmm Mar 30 02:02:32 if its aproved: automagically Mar 30 02:03:09 You could put it protected into the Beta feed, if you're thinking about needing people to test it Mar 30 02:03:09 you can request rejection though Mar 30 02:03:12 * madnificent likes that word :) Not in this context per se, but still Mar 30 02:03:30 someone did that and regretted it Mar 30 02:03:37 his app got stuck for a long time Mar 30 02:03:48 you can request rejection. But it will never happen. Mar 30 02:04:10 better to just push an update Mar 30 02:05:01 I told a precentral reviewer that I'd wait for him to finish his review before uploading the app, but he hasn't responded to me (I should probably just wait) and ... well Mar 30 02:05:13 I guess I just want to upload it now that I have the chance Mar 30 02:06:11 DO NOT EVER REQUEST AN APP REJECT Mar 30 02:07:06 madnificent: don't say that word when PatrickC_Pre2 is around ;) Mar 30 02:07:29 what dave said Mar 30 02:07:43 Loudergood: which word?! I say so many words! I even build 'sentences' . Mar 30 02:07:53 haha, review Mar 30 02:08:51 someone wants a review??? Mar 30 02:08:53 where?? Mar 30 02:10:31 PatrickC_Pre2: you write reviews? Mar 30 02:10:47 PatrickC_Pre2: I've mailed precentral for a review and they appointed someone to me :) Mar 30 02:11:24 color bomb NOT added! Mar 30 02:11:37 I write for 2 different sites :) Mar 30 02:11:42 brb Mar 30 02:12:09 PatrickC_Pre2: are you interested in reviewing a tasks app? Mar 30 02:12:24 PatrickC_Pre2: and haven't you received a beta yet, or were you never around? Mar 30 02:12:42 DO NOT EVER REQUEST AN APP REJECT Mar 30 02:12:45 should be in the topic Mar 30 02:13:25 PatrickC_Pre2: who would ever request that? that's crazy. apps are rejected for violating policy, not for sucking. even if they suck, someone should be allowed to publish them Mar 30 02:13:54 that's all opinion anyway Mar 30 02:13:56 s/even/especially/ Mar 30 02:14:00 yeah, it was a funny idea :) Mar 30 02:15:22 i should start making apps i know will get rejected just to be all "omg they rejected me" Mar 30 02:15:31 :P Mar 30 02:15:48 * madnificent has one that would certainly be rejected by apple :) Mar 30 02:16:08 thats too easy Mar 30 02:16:11 apple will reject anything Mar 30 02:17:36 * haeffb now has some nice apps on my frankenPre2. Mar 30 02:17:45 hmmmm, but it's not white.... We should disallow it Mar 30 02:18:02 haeffb: how's that pre2 going? Mar 30 02:18:10 rwhitby: it is fantastic. Mar 30 02:20:16 * Loudergood finally got around to ordering a new driver set so I can franken his pre2 Mar 30 02:20:31 wow Mar 30 02:20:36 bah, mixed myself up in there Mar 30 02:20:41 1st, 2nd, AND 3rd person all in one /me Mar 30 02:20:46 awesome job! Mar 30 02:20:48 :P Mar 30 02:21:09 yeah, clearly I've been doing to much studying tonight Mar 30 02:21:23 lol Mar 30 02:21:40 obviously not english... Mar 30 02:21:43 less studying, more beer :) Mar 30 02:21:55 er, wait Mar 30 02:21:58 that is bad advice ;) Mar 30 02:22:04 haha Mar 30 02:22:24 define "bad" Mar 30 02:22:44 bad means good right? Mar 30 02:22:46 big audio dynamite Mar 30 02:23:01 bad is good and sick is good too Mar 30 02:23:30 like "rwhitby is one bad dude." Mar 30 02:23:52 oil: "if you wanna be bad you gotta be good" that line... but it doesn't seem to work the other way around Mar 30 02:24:16 * oil has never heard that quote before Mar 30 02:24:22 that's ill Mar 30 02:25:14 illin' Mar 30 02:25:16 I remember that Mar 30 02:25:18 hella Mar 30 02:25:38 I say we make "putrescent" be the new synonym for awesome Mar 30 02:25:42 sugardave: winds of change are blowin'? Mar 30 02:25:44 oil: it's from a song of bryan adams iirc Mar 30 02:25:51 sugardave: putrescent idea, dude! Mar 30 02:25:56 haeffb: there's a light breeze Mar 30 02:26:04 well, that explains why i've never heard it Mar 30 02:26:11 in like a lion, out like a lamb Mar 30 02:26:46 sugardave: i think your plan is going to fail Mar 30 02:27:03 wirc is putrescent! Mar 30 02:27:23 putrescent is too long isn't it? Mar 30 02:27:25 lame Mar 30 02:27:31 but if you told me 10 years ago that LOL and OMG would make it into the dictionary, i wouldn't have believed you either Mar 30 02:27:56 putrid? Mar 30 02:28:09 30% fewer letters Mar 30 02:28:23 oil: I know, it kills me Mar 30 02:28:28 putrid might work Mar 30 02:28:40 "pute" Mar 30 02:28:47 "that's pute" Mar 30 02:28:54 too close to cute Mar 30 02:29:21 that's what will make it catch on, though Mar 30 02:29:29 * haeffb handed a friend my Pre2 over the weekend. 30 seconds later she was playing Angry Birds Mar 30 02:29:42 that was pute Mar 30 02:29:52 * oil leaves #webos Mar 30 02:29:57 hahaha Mar 30 02:30:04 lol Mar 30 02:38:26 well, that was an interesting conversation :p Mar 30 02:41:02 * halfhalo pokes his head in Mar 30 02:43:05 hay halfhalo Mar 30 02:43:13 if interesting means crazy ass, then i agree Mar 30 02:43:42 it was a "pute" conversation Mar 30 02:54:01 rwhitby: so the lack of provisioning binary working on sprint means we have to do at least one activation of the comm board to our account on the pre before putting comm board into pre2? Mar 30 02:54:12 yep Mar 30 02:54:45 that's my understanding, noting that I don't have a CDMA carrier in my country so cannot speak from a position of authority on the matter. Mar 30 02:56:51 rwhitby: hmm, wonder what it would take to get those binaries working.. Mar 30 02:58:59 for a start, they used dbus rather than ls2 Mar 30 02:59:20 we stopped after a chain of about 10 sequential library dependencies **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 30 02:59:57 2011