**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 01 02:59:58 2011
Apr 01 03:00:23 <rwhitby> haeffb: http://eloquentjavascript.net/Eloquent%20JavaScript.pdf
Apr 01 03:01:13 <haeffb> rwhitby: already have the hardcopy and ebook from o'reilly
Apr 01 03:02:23 <haeffb> just need my touchpad for portable reading
Apr 01 03:05:18 <rawle> Verizon pre 2 drops to free. It didn't take long.
Apr 01 03:07:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> nope.. probably clearing inventory for the Pre3
Apr 01 03:13:25 <rawle> Is vrizon the only provider that signed up for pre 2
Apr 01 03:13:40 <rwhitby> seems that way
Apr 01 03:13:55 <rawle> Would be interested to see how the public take another pre
Apr 01 03:14:13 <rawle> All the others were rejected
Apr 01 03:27:15 <madnificent> I've used pre-generated help scenes which points to a new scene.  However, I don't seem to be able to push a new scene from there on.  this.controller.stageController doesn't seem to exist.
Apr 01 03:27:29 <madnificent> What would be the 'correct' way to handle this?
Apr 01 03:32:22 <sandrstar> madnificent: Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene ?
Apr 01 03:35:05 <madnificent> sandrstar: that's great!  That works.  How do I know I will not be able to access the stageController in the normal way?
Apr 01 03:37:39 * madnificent heads to bed with a better feeling now :)
Apr 01 04:34:32 <dohtem> is twitter taking forever to respond for anyone else?
Apr 01 04:35:52 <NuttyBunny> not forever but a bit slow
Apr 01 04:37:01 <dohtem> there it is...
Apr 01 04:57:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> does Ares support 2.x now?
Apr 01 05:45:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> goodnight all
Apr 01 05:45:33 <dkirker> good night
Apr 01 05:46:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay dkirker :)
Apr 01 05:46:31 <dkirker> hi
Apr 01 05:46:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's the webkit team?
Apr 01 05:46:39 <dkirker> pretty fun
Apr 01 05:46:42 <dkirker> but very busy
Apr 01 05:46:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's Universe comin?
Apr 01 05:47:14 <dkirker> It's coming along :)
Apr 01 05:47:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> any more progress? (like a working change default browser)?
Apr 01 05:47:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Apr 01 05:47:37 <dkirker> I cannot officially do a default browser setting
Apr 01 05:47:43 <dkirker> that'd have to come as a homebrew option
Apr 01 05:47:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 01 05:48:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> how is the review version comin?
Apr 01 05:48:25 <dkirker> that would be 0.8.0, which is not ready yet
Apr 01 05:48:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
Apr 01 05:51:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, night
Apr 01 05:51:13 <dkirker> good night
Apr 01 05:51:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> can't wait for the next release :)
Apr 01 05:53:37 <Xuzz> hey dkirker could you accept my follow request on twitter? :)
Apr 01 05:53:40 <Xuzz> or not, if you don't want to
Apr 01 06:20:53 <swisstomcat> morning
Apr 01 06:22:19 <sandrstar> morning, swisstomcat
Apr 01 06:42:30 <dkirker> Xuzz: sure
Apr 01 06:42:32 <dkirker> just saw it
Apr 01 06:42:40 * dkirker was afk
Apr 01 07:00:01 <sash_> Pre Plus ordered \o/
Apr 01 07:00:35 <swisstomcat> yay
Apr 01 07:31:23 <sandrstar> Does anybody know if for 3.0 there changes in nodejs services interaction mechanism? will call Mojo.Service.Request works similar to 2.1?
Apr 01 07:31:56 <swisstomcat> are you an early access developer?
Apr 01 07:33:21 <dkirker> That is a question best suited for the Early Access Forums.
Apr 01 07:35:05 <swisstomcat> since webos 3 is under NDA
Apr 01 07:35:18 <swisstomcat> hey dkirker .. how do you like your new job? :)
Apr 01 07:36:31 <dkirker> it is keeping me very busy
Apr 01 07:37:14 <hotdp> dkirker: what is the time right now where you are?
Apr 01 07:37:14 <rwhitby> as it should be - we're waiting for those new phones.  what are you doing slacking off here in IRC ?
Apr 01 07:39:16 <dkirker> hotdp: it would be 12:34 a :)
Apr 01 07:39:52 <dkirker> rwhitby: Trying to make Google Voice work. And contemplating writing a Google Voice client that is all client side.
Apr 01 07:40:07 * dkirker doesn't trust how Voogle transmits my Google password.
Apr 01 07:40:10 <sandrstar> dkirker, swisstomcat, thanks, will ask at the forum
Apr 01 07:40:39 <rwhitby> dkirker: yeah, I wouldn't either.
Apr 01 07:40:52 <dkirker> I also don't like how slow Voogle support is...
Apr 01 07:41:19 <dkirker> but... I am not going to publicly whine about a 3rd party developer. So, that is enough with that.
Apr 01 07:41:39 <dkirker> (not that I am whining... shit I should be sleeping...)
Apr 01 07:41:59 <rwhitby> yeah, he's doing great for a one man show
Apr 01 07:41:59 <dkirker> stupid Pre Plus needs to hurry up and boot
Apr 01 07:42:13 <swisstomcat> no pre3?
Apr 01 07:42:22 * dkirker seals his lips
Apr 01 07:42:52 <swisstomcat> :)
Apr 01 07:43:29 <dkirker> rwhitby: I'd say he's doing a decent job.
Apr 01 07:52:18 <dkirker> in other news, Pre 2 on Verizon Wireless is no free for a new 2 year, and up to ~$60 for a secondary family plan line. :D
Apr 01 07:52:31 <dkirker> I know what I'll be doing once I get my next paycheck.
Apr 01 08:02:35 <dkirker> 'night everyone
Apr 01 08:03:31 <swisstomcat> night
Apr 01 08:17:59 <hotdp> night darklajid
Apr 01 08:18:06 <hotdp> dkirker even
Apr 01 11:00:46 <SimpsonTP> with the new site, the whole forum, is completely useless now
Apr 01 11:00:59 <SimpsonTP> all the references to explanations and articles are dead links
Apr 01 11:01:10 <hotdp> write chuq
Apr 01 11:01:17 <hotdp> or pdc
Apr 01 11:01:30 <fahhem> there's probably some mapping available
Apr 01 11:04:17 <SimpsonTP> opsted it on the forum as well
Apr 01 11:36:35 <thomaschaaf> hello
Apr 01 11:36:40 * thomaschaaf (wave)
Apr 01 11:37:11 <swisstomcat> *wave*
Apr 01 11:38:28 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: I have some official word for reviewtomail :)
Apr 01 11:38:32 <thomaschaaf> which is great
Apr 01 11:38:50 <thomaschaaf> us apps coming soon :)
Apr 01 11:39:35 <swisstomcat> wow, great!
Apr 01 11:39:45 <swisstomcat> unwiredben was able to help you?
Apr 01 11:40:28 <thomaschaaf> I think I am not allowed to say who got in contact with me or what will happen for me to support international apps :)
Apr 01 11:41:48 <thomaschaaf> making chili con carne in a sec :) *yum*
Apr 01 11:46:45 <thomaschaaf> off to make my chili
Apr 01 12:06:43 <thomaschaaf> oh I hate the part where it says "let simmer for 20 minutes :/"
Apr 01 12:12:54 <jonivrom> test
Apr 01 12:13:07 <hotdp> test back
Apr 01 12:13:07 <jonivrom> anyone alive?
Apr 01 12:13:16 <jonivrom> hey hotdp
Apr 01 12:13:16 <hotdp> i don't think so
Apr 01 12:13:18 <thomaschaaf> me
Apr 01 12:13:27 <hotdp> thomaschaaf is alive
Apr 01 12:13:29 <thomaschaaf> or let me check hungry and alive :)
Apr 01 12:13:50 <thomaschaaf> LOL I just fell out of my chair :D
Apr 01 12:14:03 <jonivrom> anyone else having problems downloading apps from the catalog
Apr 01 12:14:06 <thomaschaaf> LOL the shredder I have at work just turned on
Apr 01 12:14:19 <thomaschaaf> apparently if a light beam falls on it it thinks there is paper there
Apr 01 12:14:25 <thomaschaaf> and just munges along
Apr 01 12:14:29 <swisstomcat> hehe
Apr 01 12:14:37 * swisstomcat is alive .. more or less
Apr 01 12:15:05 * hotdp gives swisstomcat some sugar
Apr 01 12:15:14 <jonivrom> <jonivrom> anyone else having problems downloading apps from the catalog
Apr 01 12:15:20 <swisstomcat> any errors?
Apr 01 12:15:21 <hotdp> ] <jonivrom> <jonivrom> anyone else having problems downloading apps from the catalog
Apr 01 12:15:37 <jonivrom> failed to download
Apr 01 12:15:45 <hotdp> sorry, can't help it :( its friday...
Apr 01 12:16:40 <jonivrom> I'm guessing other ppl are not having problems
Apr 01 12:16:54 <hotdp> does it begin or just fail?
Apr 01 12:17:17 <jonivrom> just fails. even on my wifes pre
Apr 01 12:17:29 <jonivrom> so its a catalogue issue
Apr 01 12:17:56 <hotdp> :/
Apr 01 12:18:01 <hotdp> did it start today=¨
Apr 01 12:18:35 <jonivrom> yesterday
Apr 01 12:19:05 <hotdp> hmm strange
Apr 01 12:19:08 <hotdp> where do you live?
Apr 01 12:19:14 <jonivrom> can you believe I was still able to find a service provider that offered pre plans?
Apr 01 12:19:21 <jonivrom> canada eh
Apr 01 12:19:30 <hotdp> bell?
Apr 01 12:19:31 <swisstomcat> jonivrom: check your date/time
Apr 01 12:19:33 <jonivrom> bought my wife a pre on wednesday
Apr 01 12:19:41 <jonivrom> date/time is fine
Apr 01 12:20:01 <swisstomcat> i had my time/date reset once and wasn't unable to download
Apr 01 12:20:15 <jonivrom> swisstomcat: that bug was for instal errors not download errors
Apr 01 12:20:46 <thomaschaaf> why would anyone buy a palm pre- or + today if there is no support for 3.0/ enyo apps?
Apr 01 12:20:48 <jonivrom> you guys have april fools where you live?
Apr 01 12:20:51 <thomaschaaf> *wounder*
Apr 01 12:21:12 <jonivrom> cause its only $35 a month
Apr 01 12:21:15 <thomaschaaf> jonivrom: yep I told everyone my brother is getting a child.. he's getting calls after calls :D
Apr 01 12:21:18 <swisstomcat> didn't they just fix app catalog issues in canada?
Apr 01 12:21:28 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: haha
Apr 01 12:22:29 <jonivrom> my wife was able to download on wednesday but yesterday neither could. preware hb stuff works fine
Apr 01 12:22:43 <swisstomcat> download failed?
Apr 01 12:22:52 <jonivrom> yea
Apr 01 12:23:02 <swisstomcat> maybe they "fixed" it too much
Apr 01 12:23:13 <jonivrom> lol.
Apr 01 12:23:43 <jonivrom> what's the command to change my name in wirc? I've been away so long I don't remember anyting anymore
Apr 01 12:24:13 <swisstomcat>  <slash>nick?
Apr 01 12:24:56 <anivrom> test
Apr 01 12:25:11 <swisstomcat> crickets
Apr 01 12:25:42 <anivrom> so who here has a webos 2.0 device?
Apr 01 12:26:11 * swisstomcat raises hand
Apr 01 12:26:17 <swisstomcat> 2.1 to be exact
Apr 01 12:26:25 <anivrom> which one?
Apr 01 12:26:30 <swisstomcat> pre 2
Apr 01 12:26:38 <swisstomcat> and a touchpad
Apr 01 12:26:38 <anivrom> pre 2
Apr 01 12:26:48 <thomaschaaf> me
Apr 01 12:26:49 <anivrom> how do you like it?
Apr 01 12:26:55 <swisstomcat> the pre2?
Apr 01 12:27:08 <anivrom> both
Apr 01 12:27:18 <swisstomcat> very nice
Apr 01 12:27:27 <thomaschaaf> anivrom: the pre2 is  amjor upgrade from pre- but because of the camera and missing compass I found it to be somewhat not worth the upgrafde
Apr 01 12:27:51 <anivrom> any new apps/games worthwhile?
Apr 01 12:28:05 <swisstomcat> yeah, the camera still sucks
Apr 01 12:28:14 <swisstomcat> will be better in the pre3 (autofocus)
Apr 01 12:28:20 <swisstomcat> compass would be nice to have too
Apr 01 12:29:30 <thomaschaaf> is in pre3 too
Apr 01 12:29:33 <thomaschaaf> I'd just wait
Apr 01 12:30:35 <anivrom> the main reason we got my wife a pre is cause the plan is epic.
Apr 01 12:30:55 <anivrom> don't want half my paycheck going to cell phone bills
Apr 01 12:32:15 <anivrom> 35 a month for almost fully loaded is hard to beat. that includes 500 mb of data, and on a cdma device that's enoug data to last a year. I rarely go over 15 mb a month
Apr 01 12:32:27 <thomaschaaf> I just can't believe th eus:D I am paying 7 EUR for 3G flat (reduced speed at 500 mb)
Apr 01 12:32:34 <thomaschaaf> I also pay 9 cents per minute
Apr 01 12:32:39 <anivrom> and I'm using the net almost all day,
Apr 01 12:33:13 <swisstomcat> i use 200-300mb monthly
Apr 01 12:33:37 <anivrom> 200 fre minutes for us. and nationwide myfive
Apr 01 12:33:43 <thomaschaaf> I can't track it because webOS does not provide one with that simple feature..
Apr 01 12:33:49 <anivrom> and evenings weekends
Apr 01 12:33:57 <swisstomcat> i don't even use my free 30min included anymore … almost no calls
Apr 01 12:34:15 <anivrom> my service provider has a text service that tells you, up to 2 hours old
Apr 01 12:35:14 <thomaschaaf> I put to much pepper in my chili *fuck*
Apr 01 12:35:21 <swisstomcat> :D
Apr 01 12:35:33 <thomaschaaf> now eating chili with milk :/
Apr 01 12:36:07 <swisstomcat> bread would be better
Apr 01 12:36:24 <thomaschaaf> chili on bread + milk
Apr 01 12:37:48 <Xuzz> I use 900mb monthly. :|
Apr 01 12:38:17 <thomaschaaf> Xuzz: okay 1 GB monthly would cost me 12Euro what do you pay?
Apr 01 12:38:33 <Xuzz> thomaschaaf: $25 USD for 2GB
Apr 01 12:38:41 <thomaschaaf> actually a fair price
Apr 01 12:38:43 <thomaschaaf> for us
Apr 01 12:39:23 <Xuzz> oh, and I also pay $20 USD for 1GB on my tablet
Apr 01 12:39:44 <thomaschaaf> why no tether?
Apr 01 12:39:51 <Xuzz> and $30 for 400 minutes of voice, of which I use about 60 a month :|
Apr 01 12:40:12 <Xuzz> iPad battery >> iPhone or Pre battery
Apr 01 12:40:21 <Xuzz> (why no tether^)
Apr 01 12:40:37 <thomaschaaf> k
Apr 01 12:41:16 <Xuzz> sucks, though, it's an insane amount of money
Apr 01 12:41:27 <anivrom> pre batter is a frigggin JOKE!!! dies in hours.
Apr 01 12:41:33 <anivrom> battery*
Apr 01 12:41:45 <Xuzz> when I really want something like $25/2GB on any of my devices, and pay-as-you-go voice
Apr 01 12:41:58 <Xuzz> anivrom: what device's battery lasts even one day?
Apr 01 12:41:58 <thomaschaaf> I love trolling my cat :D
Apr 01 12:42:04 <anivrom> you can't actually USE the phone
Apr 01 12:42:12 <anivrom> my old phone did
Apr 01 12:42:13 <Xuzz> thomaschaaf: my cat loves trolling me :<
Apr 01 12:42:15 <thomaschaaf> I gave her a tiny bit of chili (meat piece)
Apr 01 12:42:19 <anivrom> and my wifes old phone
Apr 01 12:42:26 <thomaschaaf> now she is sitting by the water fountain :D
Apr 01 12:42:28 <thomaschaaf> drinking
Apr 01 12:42:32 <thomaschaaf> and drinking..
Apr 01 12:42:36 <anivrom> heh
Apr 01 12:43:24 <swisstomcat> cruel :)
Apr 01 12:44:02 <anivrom> first thing I did when my wife got her phone is installed as pany patches as I could find.
Apr 01 12:47:52 <thomaschaaf> review to mail is getting french apps as we speak :)
Apr 01 12:48:05 <hotdp> cool
Apr 01 12:48:39 <anivrom> so are apps cross compatible with webos and webos 2.0? I'm wondering whether I'll be seeing new apps for my ancient pre.
Apr 01 12:48:47 <thomaschaaf> sadly the number of apps in reviewtomail.com has not increased anymore
Apr 01 12:49:03 <thomaschaaf> new apps are web2.0 only
Apr 01 12:49:31 <thomaschaaf> if you use a feature that uses a webos 2.1 feature it does not allow you to select 1.4.5
Apr 01 12:49:51 <thomaschaaf> pretty stupid that support for exhibition means my app can not be used on 1.4.5 anymore
Apr 01 12:49:53 <anivrom> pretty gay.
Apr 01 12:50:04 <thomaschaaf> anivrom: why not just update to 2.1?
Apr 01 12:50:22 <phoque> does upgrading to 2.1 make sense on a Pre-?
Apr 01 12:50:26 <anivrom> um can you get 2.0 on a pre 1?
Apr 01 12:50:26 <thomaschaaf> yep
Apr 01 12:50:28 <phoque> will it become even slower?
Apr 01 12:50:29 <phoque> :-D
Apr 01 12:50:37 <thomaschaaf> phoque: same speed
Apr 01 12:50:38 <anivrom> orly?
Apr 01 12:50:40 <thomaschaaf> somethings get faster
Apr 01 12:50:48 <anivrom> ill have to investigate
Apr 01 12:51:15 <phoque> but I guess the Uberkernel and Govnah are not available yet for 2.1
Apr 01 12:51:22 <thomaschaaf> I don't know if you can make it go 1.0 Ghz like before though
Apr 01 12:51:47 <swisstomcat> both uberkernel and govnah are available for 2.1
Apr 01 12:52:10 <phoque> ah, cool
Apr 01 12:52:43 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: have you tried installing it on pre2?
Apr 01 12:53:15 <thomaschaaf> heard it can go 1.4 ghz
Apr 01 12:53:30 <anivrom> anyone know exactly how to get 2.0 on pre?
Apr 01 12:53:37 <thomaschaaf> meta installer
Apr 01 12:53:41 <thomaschaaf> anivrom:
Apr 01 12:53:44 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: i have both on my pre
Apr 01 12:53:45 <swisstomcat> 2
Apr 01 12:54:01 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: what have you tacted them to?
Apr 01 12:54:58 <swisstomcat> no
Apr 01 12:55:05 <swisstomcat> normal 1ghz
Apr 01 12:55:15 <thomaschaaf> k
Apr 01 13:00:34 <thomaschaaf> haha brothers calling... good thing we are 600 km apart
Apr 01 13:04:41 <millenomi> I know I shouldn't really talk about it, but Enyo looks very good written in CoffeeScript.
Apr 01 13:05:02 <millenomi> not enyo itself I mean
Apr 01 13:05:06 <millenomi> code that uses Enyo
Apr 01 13:06:52 <thomaschaaf> millenomi: please don't talk about things that don't exist.
Apr 01 13:07:22 * swisstomcat calls chuq to kick millenomi out of EA ;)
Apr 01 13:07:42 <millenomi> whoa whoa whoa :O
Apr 01 13:07:43 <millenomi> :D
Apr 01 13:08:45 <millenomi> anyway: let me reiterate my love for CS.
Apr 01 13:10:41 <anivrom> I see ppl are still having a hard time keeping a lid on nda materials
Apr 01 13:12:11 <phoque> say... when the Touchpad was announced
Apr 01 13:12:23 <phoque> people weren't allowed to take pictures of its backside
Apr 01 13:13:08 <phoque> at that time the backside was made of that reflective plastic crap
Apr 01 13:13:12 <phoque> did that change?
Apr 01 13:13:15 <phoque> to maybe rubber? :-D
Apr 01 13:13:43 <sandrstar> seems enyo overview from Matt on youtube is not under any nda, so it might be possible to discuss something about it here
Apr 01 13:13:55 <millenomi> anivrom: the existance of Enyo is public knowledge.
Apr 01 13:14:02 <millenomi> of course I'm not going to, say, post what I'm writing.
Apr 01 13:14:11 <millenomi> which is unfortunate because it looks really nice
Apr 01 13:14:23 <millenomi> as CoffeeScript usually does :)
Apr 01 13:16:08 <anivrom> CRZY, so I'm gonna attempt to install webos 2.0 on my pre tonight. see how that goes.
Apr 01 13:16:32 <Xuzz> I haven't used CoffeeScript, but I didn't like what I saw.
Apr 01 13:16:44 <millenomi> it's rubyish, so it's a bit of an acquired taste
Apr 01 13:16:50 <Xuzz> (Then again, I think JavaScript looks pretty, so I'm probably not sane anyway.)
Apr 01 13:17:01 <anivrom> heh
Apr 01 13:17:02 <Xuzz> yeah, i have similar issues with ruby
Apr 01 13:17:15 <thomaschaaf> YEY http://reviewtomail.com/ now with french apps!
Apr 01 13:17:24 <swisstomcat> yay
Apr 01 13:17:55 <thomaschaaf> hope to get my american access soon aswell
Apr 01 13:40:09 <haeffb> swisstomcat: has a touchpad?
Apr 01 13:40:40 <thomaschaaf> LOL
Apr 01 13:40:42 <thomaschaaf> hihihi
Apr 01 13:41:02 <hotdp> haeffb: what happend to "mr martini" ?
Apr 01 13:41:11 <hotdp> I never see him inhere anymore?
Apr 01 13:41:32 <haeffb> good question. haven't heard anything from him for a while.
Apr 01 13:41:50 <hotdp> should i worry?
Apr 01 13:42:16 <haeffb> too many pomtinis?
Apr 01 13:42:45 <swisstomcat> haeffb: yeah … why not?
Apr 01 13:42:49 <hotdp> i hope not :s
Apr 01 13:42:59 <thomaschaaf> *jumps around laughing*
Apr 01 13:43:16 <swisstomcat> i also got a pre3 now
Apr 01 13:43:22 <swisstomcat> that's what you get from going to webosconnect london
Apr 01 13:44:15 * haeffb thought I was the only #webos user with a touchpad
Apr 01 13:44:39 <hotdp> I got one to but it does not have 3g :S
Apr 01 13:44:40 <swisstomcat> think again
Apr 01 13:44:56 <swisstomcat> the one they showed had gsm
Apr 01 13:45:07 <swisstomcat> did you get a prototype or what?
Apr 01 13:45:27 <thomaschaaf> wounder how many people hate me :D
Apr 01 13:47:38 <thomaschaaf> Why is there no good spam? I have never seen a spam message where I thought "that looks really nice".. I wounder if there is a business in writing professional spam :D
Apr 01 13:48:04 <hotdp> Have a great weekend everyone!
Apr 01 13:48:13 * hotdp over and out
Apr 01 13:48:30 <thomaschaaf> bye
Apr 01 13:49:52 <thomaschaaf> sad to see so many good apps are all written by the same people
Apr 01 13:52:49 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: are you with me
Apr 01 13:53:20 <swisstomcat> hmm?
Apr 01 13:53:40 <thomaschaaf> just optimized some features in reviewtomail
Apr 01 13:53:49 <thomaschaaf> can you check if it's working for you
Apr 01 13:54:02 <thomaschaaf> should have an email :P
Apr 01 13:54:22 <swisstomcat> k
Apr 01 13:54:33 <swisstomcat> did you add some css to the site? :)
Apr 01 13:54:44 <thomaschaaf> swisstomcat: a couple days ago
Apr 01 13:55:53 <thomaschaaf> http://www.bitsofgodsoftware.com/ has so many applications in reviewtomail. it's sort of creepy.. but then again I shouldn't judge
Apr 01 13:57:38 <swisstomcat> which account did you send the email to?
Apr 01 13:57:59 * haeffb hasn't gotten an email from reviewtomail
Apr 01 14:01:16 <thomaschaaf> really :(
Apr 01 14:01:17 <thomaschaaf> hmm
Apr 01 14:01:35 <thomaschaaf>  support@thinmachine.ch
Apr 01 14:01:52 <thomaschaaf> since I am just sending from within php not smtp that could be in spam :/
Apr 01 14:07:40 <swisstomcat> let me check
Apr 01 14:08:43 <swisstomcat> hmmmm
Apr 01 14:08:45 <swisstomcat> Downloads incl. updates: 447657 (17)
Apr 01 14:08:45 <swisstomcat> Average Ratings: 5.0 (48737 Votes)
Apr 01 14:08:49 <swisstomcat> that can't be
Apr 01 14:10:29 <swisstomcat> something is wrong with the vote number
Apr 01 14:10:30 <swisstomcat> other app
Apr 01 14:10:32 <swisstomcat> Downloads incl. updates: 971618 (171934)
Apr 01 14:10:32 <swisstomcat> Average Ratings: 5.0 (741003 Votes)
Apr 01 14:10:45 <thomaschaaf> or it's april 1st :D
Apr 01 14:11:38 <swisstomcat> haha
Apr 01 14:11:40 <sandrstar> lol
Apr 01 14:11:42 <thomaschaaf> I thought it was funny... now I have 25 emails already regarding the "error"
Apr 01 14:12:02 <thomaschaaf> you also forgot that it says that your application has been promoted :P
Apr 01 14:12:03 <swisstomcat> "April Fools: the day where people think they're a lot funnier than they actually are."
Apr 01 14:12:13 <thomaschaaf> oh well
Apr 01 14:12:16 <swisstomcat> :P
Apr 01 14:12:21 <thomaschaaf> it's one day of the year
Apr 01 14:21:18 <swisstomcat> f***
Apr 01 14:21:19 <swisstomcat> HP announces TouchPad, Veer, Pre 3 Launch Delayed Until September http://bit.ly/hE48T4 #pre #webos #hp
Apr 01 14:21:24 <swisstomcat> aprils fools?
Apr 01 14:25:23 <madnificent> swisstomcat: probably, the pre3 didn't get a definitive launch date, september is still summer :)
Apr 01 14:26:20 <Xuzz> swisstomcat: yes
Apr 01 14:26:31 <Xuzz> click the source link
Apr 01 14:28:08 <swisstomcat> oh
Apr 01 14:28:12 <swisstomcat> nasty
Apr 01 14:38:54 <swisstomcat> hey funkatron
Apr 01 14:38:59 <funkatron> hey dogg
Apr 01 14:39:19 <swisstomcat> WTF? filament group has  pre 1 with 1.4.5 and palm is a sponsor?!
Apr 01 14:40:08 <funkatron> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmyep
Apr 01 14:40:56 <swisstomcat> i mean seriously WTF
Apr 01 14:41:00 <hotdp> :)
Apr 01 14:41:07 <swisstomcat> *shakes fist*
Apr 01 14:41:57 <swisstomcat> talk about dropping the ball
Apr 01 14:42:12 <funkatron> fuck I will GIVE them my Pre2 that I bought if I can get it fixed. I need to really box that up and ship it
Apr 01 14:42:16 <swisstomcat> another WTF for letting the phonegap docs having no mention of webOS anymore
Apr 01 14:42:41 <funkatron> yeah. why do they not have one person who just does this shit?
Apr 01 14:42:54 <swisstomcat> yeah
Apr 01 14:42:59 <swisstomcat> they can hire me to do it :)
Apr 01 14:43:04 <funkatron> would that not be worth it to get more apps on the platform?
Apr 01 14:43:24 <swisstomcat> of course it would
Apr 01 14:43:39 <swisstomcat> i have no idea why they are dropping the ball on such things
Apr 01 14:45:32 <funkatron> I'm pissed off because I fucking want this shit to WORK
Apr 01 14:45:37 <funkatron> I would be using jQ mobile
Apr 01 14:45:43 <funkatron> and I *know* more people would be too
Apr 01 14:45:47 <swisstomcat> yeah
Apr 01 14:45:52 <swisstomcat> i agree with you
Apr 01 14:45:52 <funkatron> you think jQMo isn't gonna be popular?
Apr 01 14:45:57 <swisstomcat> it will
Apr 01 14:45:59 <funkatron> web sites and apps will ship based on it
Apr 01 14:46:01 <funkatron> lots of them
Apr 01 14:46:02 <swisstomcat> it's good stuff
Apr 01 14:46:08 <funkatron> and they'll look like a fucking turd on webOS
Apr 01 14:46:19 <swisstomcat> "From my experience with jQuery Mobile on webOS 2.1 the background issue can be fixed by removing the background-image attributes from the class .ui-body-c. At least the background works without problems on 1.4.5. Also, i think you guys should get a Pre 2 with webOS 2.1 to test with."
Apr 01 14:46:22 <sugardave> swisstomcat: can I pm?
Apr 01 14:46:28 <swisstomcat> sure
Apr 01 14:50:45 * infiniteloop dang the office is boring today
Apr 01 14:56:40 * oil is a little disappointed in the internet sofar this morning
Apr 01 14:56:46 <oil> no good april fools jokes :/
Apr 01 14:57:24 <swisstomcat> breaking news: oil is not blamed for everything anymore
Apr 01 14:57:37 <infiniteloop> haha
Apr 01 14:57:39 <swisstomcat> *april fools*
Apr 01 14:57:51 <oil> aww
Apr 01 14:59:11 <swisstomcat> :P
Apr 01 15:01:01 <infiniteloop> you guys might already have seen this but http://urbanairship.com/#20110401
Apr 01 15:05:31 <oil> at least googles is always good for a chuckle
Apr 01 15:05:32 <oil> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html
Apr 01 15:06:14 <swisstomcat> yeah
Apr 01 15:06:29 <swisstomcat> oil: google for helvetica  … that one is awesome
Apr 01 15:09:09 * oil heads to work
Apr 01 15:09:29 <sugardave> shit, I didn't prepare any good gags for today
Apr 01 15:10:00 <maik> reddit's got your back
Apr 01 15:15:12 <swisstomcat> bbl
Apr 01 15:53:11 <sugardave> hmmm
Apr 01 15:53:17 <jonivrom> argh so annoying. wonder when they're gonna fix the app catalog
Apr 01 15:54:07 <jonivrom> bonjour monsiour sugardave
Apr 01 15:54:19 <maik> dave, of the sugar variety
Apr 01 15:55:41 <haeffb> he's so sugary and davey
Apr 01 15:57:47 <NuttyBunny> hi everyone
Apr 01 15:58:25 * sugardave eyeballs jonivrom suspiciously.
Apr 01 15:59:11 <jonivrom> oh hai
Apr 01 15:59:24 <jonivrom> Ares is the bestest
Apr 01 15:59:37 <sugardave> :P
Apr 01 15:59:41 <sugardave> maybe a new one
Apr 01 15:59:54 <sugardave> I MAY try it out when the new one comes
Apr 01 15:59:55 <jonivrom> new one?
Apr 01 16:00:01 <sugardave> yes, there will be a new one
Apr 01 16:00:23 <sugardave> one that works with Enyo...just when?  We don't know
Apr 01 16:00:29 <dohtem> lies!
Apr 01 16:00:45 <jonivrom> I'm gonna try and install l webos 2.0 on my ancient pre tonight
Apr 01 16:08:56 <jonivrom> what do you guys think of the amazon cloud player? think it has a chance at taking some market share from itunes?
Apr 01 16:09:30 <sugardave> sure, why not?  I know that some people really hate iTunes
Apr 01 16:09:37 <sugardave> I've never used it, personally
Apr 01 16:12:07 <jonivrom> well it will use data bandwidth streaming all those high quality songs, but I find it impossible to fill up even 30mb of my 500 a month. must be the fact that its cdma.
Apr 01 16:13:56 <jonivrom> my wife just got a pre the other day and downloaded the 150mb 1.4.5 update on 3g nd when we checked her data usage a day later it said 2mb used... so something is different with the way bell classifies data usage.
Apr 01 16:14:57 <sugardave> maybe they don't count os upgrades against the limit?
Apr 01 16:15:44 <dkirker> 'morning chuqui!
Apr 01 16:16:00 <chuqui> morning!
Apr 01 16:16:37 <dkirker> alright, I'd better head into work now... lots o' bugs to fix.
Apr 01 16:18:58 <jonivrom> dirka dirka
Apr 01 16:19:45 <jonivrom> chuqui: you know anything about canada app catalog being down?
Apr 01 16:20:04 <chuqui> nope. haven't heard anything..
Apr 01 16:21:20 <jonivrom> chuqui:me or my wife haven't been able to download anything for 2 days. get download failed error.
Apr 01 16:22:40 <chuqui> jonivrom:  any weird icons on the phone? blank app you can't delete?
Apr 01 16:22:55 <jonivrom> no.
Apr 01 16:23:08 <jonivrom> her phone is brand new too
Apr 01 16:23:14 <chuqui> hmm. not sure what's going on then.
Apr 01 16:23:23 <jonivrom> 2 days old. she could download apps wednesday nig just fine
Apr 01 16:23:32 <chuqui> what phone? what version?
Apr 01 16:23:48 <jonivrom> pre - lol
Apr 01 16:24:12 <jonivrom> 1.4.5
Apr 01 16:31:41 <madnificent> jonivrom: tried connecting it to the PC, setting it to share its data, unmounting the drive properly, letting your pre initialize again and rebooting the phone?
Apr 01 16:32:15 <madnificent> it sounds like it's an error in the file system to me, but I'm obviously guessing without actually seeing any error messages.
Apr 01 16:32:17 <jonivrom> no I can't believe I forgot to try that obvious solution.
Apr 01 16:32:20 <jonivrom> :P
Apr 01 16:32:48 <madnificent> jonivrom: if all else fails: try to ssh to it through novacom (if you have the sdk installed) and run dmesg.  Perhaps that'll show some error in the kernel that teaches you something new....
Apr 01 16:33:05 <madnificent> jonivrom: hey, that's what IRC for: obvious answers :P  (and april fools jokes)
Apr 01 16:35:05 <jonivrom> in other words might as well doctor my phone?
Apr 01 16:35:21 <jonivrom> and my wifes 2 day old phone?
Apr 01 16:37:33 <madnificent> jonivrom: you don't need to doctor it for that, but well.. perhaps doctoring isn't a dumb idea either...
Apr 01 16:37:43 <madnificent> you will need to turn development mode on
Apr 01 16:38:08 <madnificent> type in: updownupdownleftrightleftrightbastart     <= not joking, they picked that to find the dev mode :)
Apr 01 16:38:28 <NuttyBunny> Nice april fools joke by Unixpsycho btw :P
Apr 01 16:38:46 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: didn't see it, care to replicate it?
Apr 01 16:39:18 <MetaView> good evening
Apr 01 16:39:32 <NuttyBunny> @uNiXpSyChO: I have just bought an iPhone4. I am now part of the b0rg. No more kernels
Apr 01 16:39:43 <chuqui> jonivrom:  it does sound like a bug in downloads where it locks up at times. and yes, the only fix for that is a trip to the doctor
Apr 01 16:39:50 <maik> NuttyBunny: TRAITOR!
Apr 01 16:39:56 <maik> chuqui: BURN HIM!
Apr 01 16:40:06 <MetaView> jonivrom: maybe the logs will tell something suspicious?
Apr 01 16:40:17 <NuttyBunny> *facepalm*
Apr 01 16:40:27 <NuttyBunny> That's what unixpsycho posted on Twitter!!!
Apr 01 16:40:37 <maik> oh, cause you said @
Apr 01 16:40:41 <maik> you people are you new fangled social media
Apr 01 16:40:45 * maik goes back to lurking
Apr 01 16:42:18 <NuttyBunny> I got myself a Xperia 10, so, no more Messaging Plugins... sorry guys
Apr 01 16:42:53 <MetaView> I got myself a Nokia 6310, well noone cares...
Apr 01 16:45:19 <idontwan2know> NuttyBunny: check the date
Apr 01 16:46:29 <NuttyBunny> *facepalm... twice*  hehehe  I know, do you really think I'd buy a Droid phone and left the messaging plugins alone? :P of course I know the date, but I almost sh*t myself when I did read it ;)
Apr 01 16:47:46 <idontwan2know> heh...I had to stop and think about it for a minute, too
Apr 01 16:49:02 <idontwan2know> Same with PreCentral's "How to find the keyboard" tip. Very subtle!
Apr 01 16:49:29 <jonivrom> madnificent: :P I know all about devmode
Apr 01 16:50:34 <NuttyBunny> yep... and now everyone go to thinkgeek.com and enjoy the cool new products!... I, for one, want the Pork Rinds and StarWars popsicles to be real :D
Apr 01 16:51:59 * thomaschaaf (wave)
Apr 01 16:53:03 <jonivrom> 800mhz + wIRC = 4% battery drain in 60 seconds
Apr 01 16:53:15 <thomaschaaf> jonivrom: sounds promissing :D
Apr 01 16:53:30 <thomaschaaf> wIRC over 3G?
Apr 01 16:53:40 <jonivrom> yea..
Apr 01 16:53:45 <thomaschaaf> also is your phone syncing?
Apr 01 16:54:11 <thomaschaaf> if it is syncing with google contacts or palm or downloading and installing apps that takes up a lot of cpu time -> power aswell
Apr 01 16:54:11 <jonivrom> hmm?
Apr 01 16:56:34 <jonivrom> good thing my phone can't download apps.
Apr 01 17:00:29 * haeffb hates CSS
Apr 01 17:01:02 <haeffb> it never does what I tell it to do.
Apr 01 17:01:13 <haeffb> or at least, it never does what I meant to tell it to do
Apr 01 17:01:32 <thomaschaaf> haeffb: need help?
Apr 01 17:03:13 <haeffb> no, I think I'm just going to change everything to flex box
Apr 01 17:06:06 <NuttyBunny> use tables
Apr 01 17:06:07 <NuttyBunny> :D
Apr 01 17:09:04 * thomaschaaf hits NuttyBunny with bat
Apr 01 17:09:59 <thomaschaaf> NuttyBunny: mister mexico city man
Apr 01 17:10:36 * NuttyBunny gets up... *dizzy*
Apr 01 17:10:40 <NuttyBunny> wtf? :)
Apr 01 17:10:47 <thomaschaaf> wrong city?
Apr 01 17:14:57 <NuttyBunny> no, no, correct city
Apr 01 17:15:18 <thomaschaaf> *good* I have the right target for my missile then
Apr 01 17:15:47 * NuttyBunny ducks
Apr 01 17:16:53 <thomaschaaf> I wounder why Adobe Air never really took off ;/
Apr 01 17:17:05 <thomaschaaf> seems like a great idea.. wounder if it's to slow or something
Apr 01 17:20:37 <NuttyBunny> works for me... I can use grooveshark on Linux thanks to it ;)
Apr 01 17:20:46 <NuttyBunny> (it's the only air app I use)
Apr 01 17:21:48 <thomaschaaf> I know of 2 air apps: basamiq mockups and grooveshark..
Apr 01 17:22:35 <thomaschaaf> why doesn't AIM e.g. develop an app in AIR and cut development costs by only developing 1 version and not one for mac and windows.. (just one of the ideas)
Apr 01 17:23:05 <thomaschaaf> maybe someday I'll write a thunderbird competitor.. which is more light weight :D
Apr 01 17:26:10 <NuttyBunny> bah, cross-platform programs won't work, they have to be interpreted or recompiled at runtime, they are often slower than native binaries, there are problems with the different filesystem versions, etc,e tc, etc
Apr 01 17:26:15 <NuttyBunny> take java for example
Apr 01 17:26:42 <NuttyBunny> few programs really run exactly the same across platforms (and it's supposed to be write once - run anywhere)
Apr 01 17:27:01 <Workenhaven> lol, cross platform java
Apr 01 17:27:05 <Workenhaven> april fool!
Apr 01 17:27:07 <Workenhaven> fools*
Apr 01 17:36:09 * haeffb needs a 1GB SD card
Apr 01 17:36:14 <haeffb> and only has a 128MB card
Apr 01 17:36:23 * haeffb has to run to wal-mart
Apr 01 17:36:35 <Workenhaven> lol
Apr 01 17:36:42 <Workenhaven> i've got like 16gb card or soemthing
Apr 01 17:36:48 <Workenhaven> how far behind the times are you?
Apr 01 17:36:53 <Workenhaven> :P
Apr 01 17:37:14 * haeffb has a 4GB at home, but that's 100 miles away. Wal-mart is 3 miles away
Apr 01 17:37:19 <Workenhaven> oh
Apr 01 17:37:20 <Workenhaven> lol
Apr 01 17:37:46 <thomaschaaf> Speed is not really important for messengers.. and the programmers behind them seem to be extremly incompetent..
Apr 01 17:37:58 <thomaschaaf> Often they are slower than many other things
Apr 01 17:37:58 * NuttyBunny runs Ubuntu 11.04 beta from a 4Gb Sandisk usb memory :)
Apr 01 17:39:52 <dohtem> thomaschaaf: pm?
Apr 01 17:40:12 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: you crafty bastard
Apr 01 17:40:24 <thomaschaaf> hehe
Apr 01 17:41:33 <cwayne> well played sir
Apr 01 17:41:46 <thomaschaaf> *wounders how many people are looking through the front page of the app catalog and frantically restarting*
Apr 01 17:42:15 <thomaschaaf> have had 60 emails since I sent them out :D
Apr 01 17:42:25 <cwayne> lolol
Apr 01 17:42:30 <cwayne> thats awesome
Apr 01 17:42:38 <thomaschaaf> all reporting bugs with the download count
Apr 01 17:42:40 <thomaschaaf> and ratings
Apr 01 17:42:54 <thomaschaaf> and them having problems finding their app on the front page
Apr 01 17:43:00 <cwayne> hahahahahahah
Apr 01 17:43:13 * cwayne loves it when people dont check the date when they see something like that
Apr 01 17:43:31 <thomaschaaf> I had a standard reply which actually included the date..
Apr 01 17:43:42 <cwayne> hahaha
Apr 01 17:43:47 <dohtem> this was a good one... most other pranks I have seen today are just silly
Apr 01 17:43:47 <cwayne> i woulda just done like
Apr 01 17:43:56 <cwayne> HAHA GOT YOU
Apr 01 17:44:25 <thomaschaaf> btw US only apps coming REALLY soon
Apr 01 17:44:31 <thomaschaaf> added french apps today
Apr 01 17:47:27 <thomaschaaf> is there any nice looking chat app?
Apr 01 17:47:57 <thomaschaaf> Skype, ICQ, MSN, Trillian, Miranda and Pidgin look :/
Apr 01 17:48:13 <dohtem> digsby?
Apr 01 17:49:57 <thomaschaaf> also looks rather ugly actually I like the design of skype and windows live messenger had they less ads and were they universal.
Apr 01 17:50:20 <thomaschaaf> I now have icq, skype and windows live messenger running which can all do facebook chat :D
Apr 01 17:50:55 <thomaschaaf> I would like chrome estetics with a messenger
Apr 01 17:52:47 <thomaschaaf> am I alone?
Apr 01 17:57:37 <sash_> Don't know.
Apr 01 17:58:01 <thomaschaaf> sash_: what do you use for messaging?
Apr 01 17:58:32 <sash_> My palm pre was ordered yesterday :)
Apr 01 17:58:43 <sash_> Or do you mean, in general?
Apr 01 17:59:30 <thomaschaaf> Messaging like icq, msn, skype, irc, aim, jabber
Apr 01 17:59:53 <sash_> icq and jabber.
Apr 01 18:00:00 <sash_> Both with pidgin.
Apr 01 18:01:56 <thomaschaaf> in what application?
Apr 01 18:01:59 <thomaschaaf> sorry
Apr 01 18:02:05 <thomaschaaf> read both with plugin :D
Apr 01 18:02:06 <thomaschaaf> hehe
Apr 01 18:02:14 <sash_> :)
Apr 01 18:02:20 <thomaschaaf> sash_: on windows?
Apr 01 18:02:50 <sash_> Usually on Linux. But i also use pidgin on windows
Apr 01 18:04:53 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: for windows, try out digsby
Apr 01 18:05:04 <thomaschaaf> think it looks ugly :(
Apr 01 18:05:14 <sash_> But it's not nice looking
Apr 01 18:05:16 <thomaschaaf> it's so windows 2000'y
Apr 01 18:05:24 <sash_> It's GTK
Apr 01 18:05:32 <thomaschaaf> I want something chromy
Apr 01 18:05:50 <thomaschaaf> which looks really fabulous :P
Apr 01 18:05:54 <cwayne> thomaschaaf: DIGSBY
Apr 01 18:07:02 <thomaschaaf> cwayne: http://img.digsby.com/screenshots/6_tabs.png looks ugly
Apr 01 18:07:21 <cwayne> you look ugly
Apr 01 18:07:25 <cwayne> doesnt feel very good does it
Apr 01 18:07:34 <thomaschaaf> and why would I want sms, email and what not in my instant messenger :/
Apr 01 18:07:41 <NuttyBunny> You can skin gtk apps, can't you?
Apr 01 18:08:46 <sash_> In windows?
Apr 01 18:09:00 <sash_> Don't think so. But I don't know.
Apr 01 18:09:26 <sash_> Kopete is quite nice in KDE. Don't know, if it's ported to Windows.
Apr 01 18:09:49 <NuttyBunny> it may be not obvious, but there should be a skin manager somewhere
Apr 01 18:09:50 <thomaschaaf> I am talking about an app which is pretty for my girlfriend not my cofounder..
Apr 01 18:10:09 <thomaschaaf> as in I want to install it and have it be pretty + useful
Apr 01 18:10:20 <thomaschaaf> +lightweight -> no stupid moving ads
Apr 01 18:10:42 <thomaschaaf> the pretty part is damn important if you don't want to get guys in their mid 20s to use your program
Apr 01 18:13:15 <thomaschaaf> anyone know how to become a syncergy service?
Apr 01 18:13:27 <sash_> thomaschaaf: What chats does she use?
Apr 01 18:13:30 <thomaschaaf> (Accounts->Add new account -> scroll to bottom)
Apr 01 18:13:42 <thomaschaaf> sash_: skype, icq, msn
Apr 01 18:14:03 <sash_> So she can use Skype and Trillian
Apr 01 18:14:44 <thomaschaaf> oh trillian got a new design I only knew 4.2
Apr 01 18:14:44 <sash_> Or the "GMX-Messenger" :P
Apr 01 18:33:16 <Thomaschaaf__> this is like butter :)
Apr 01 18:34:36 <Thomaschaaf> *loves trillian*
Apr 01 18:47:49 * haeffb creating startup usb for Ubuntu 10.10 netbook
Apr 01 18:48:05 <cwayne> woooo
Apr 01 18:48:15 <haeffb> hows the frankenPre2 working?
Apr 01 18:48:32 <cwayne> if it were a lady id marry it
Apr 01 18:48:50 <haeffb> ha. That's how I feel about mine as well. After 1.5 years of Pre-
Apr 01 18:49:13 <cwayne> i went from pre- for a year to an HTC Evo for awhile
Apr 01 18:49:20 <haeffb> it's like "Oh. This is how it should be."
Apr 01 18:49:28 <cwayne> exactly
Apr 01 18:51:09 <NuttyBunny> you got your Frankenpre2 working haeffb? ;)
Apr 01 18:51:37 <haeffb> I have two. One is working the other is still on hold.
Apr 01 18:51:56 <NuttyBunny> two.. hehehe.. nice :D
Apr 01 18:52:05 <haeffb> you're waiting on the hold one. :(
Apr 01 18:52:39 <NuttyBunny> np, I  wait :D
Apr 01 18:53:03 <cwayne> haeffb: hey is it norrmal that after i doc'ed it to 2.1 now its telling me theres an update available to 2.1
Apr 01 18:53:29 <haeffb> yes. Do it.
Apr 01 18:53:38 <haeffb> it'll enable voice dialing
Apr 01 18:54:26 <haeffb> will also add a SIM toolkit app you can ignore
Apr 01 18:54:45 <Thomaschaaf> I don't understand what the sim toolkit is supposed to do on webOS
Apr 01 18:55:12 <haeffb> especially on a CDMA device
Apr 01 18:55:22 <Thomaschaaf> seems like adding a bicycle bell to a ferrari which also has a honk built in
Apr 01 18:55:26 <haeffb> meh. this netbook isn't booting from the USB
Apr 01 18:55:37 <cwayne> haeffb: check the bios
Apr 01 18:55:59 <haeffb> says "Press<F2> to enter Setup, Entering boot device selection menu..."
Apr 01 18:56:22 <haeffb> but F2 does nothing
Apr 01 18:56:25 <haeffb> it's stuck
Apr 01 18:56:29 <Thomaschaaf> try del
Apr 01 18:56:46 <NuttyBunny> or F12
Apr 01 18:56:53 <haeffb> try throwing it against the wall
Apr 01 18:57:22 <Thomaschaaf> should work
Apr 01 18:57:24 <NuttyBunny> disconnect the hard disk
Apr 01 18:57:35 <Thomaschaaf> *have you tried turning it off an on again?*
Apr 01 18:57:51 <Thomaschaaf> Forgot the "Hello, "
Apr 01 18:58:00 <haeffb> USB FDD or USB HDD ?
Apr 01 18:58:04 <Thomaschaaf> any IT Crowd people here?
Apr 01 18:58:08 <Thomaschaaf> USB HDD
Apr 01 18:58:55 <haeffb> moved that up in the boot order
Apr 01 19:01:40 <haeffb> nope, doesn't boot from USB
Apr 01 19:01:49 <haeffb> just hands at POST screen
Apr 01 19:01:52 <haeffb> hangs
Apr 01 19:02:03 <haeffb> suckity suck suck suck
Apr 01 19:03:04 <NuttyBunny> what did you use to create the bootable usb?
Apr 01 19:03:10 <haeffb> ubuntu
Apr 01 19:03:32 <haeffb> Startup Disk Creator in 10.10
Apr 01 19:05:19 <haeffb> will it boot from SD card slot?
Apr 01 19:05:32 <NuttyBunny> maybe
Apr 01 19:06:19 <haeffb> or not
Apr 01 19:06:22 <haeffb> sigh
Apr 01 19:07:20 <NuttyBunny> are you booting from an usb memory directly or is it a card reader?
Apr 01 19:07:45 * halfhalo thinks it might be due to a non-bootable usb drive, or maybe the computer is reading as a regular HD like mine does
Apr 01 19:07:47 <haeffb> card reader
Apr 01 19:08:23 <haeffb> it's a USB Jump Drive trio with SDHC card
Apr 01 19:09:15 <haeffb> an Acer netbook
Apr 01 19:09:21 <sugardave> haeffb: is there an actual sd slot?
Apr 01 19:09:25 <haeffb> aspire One
Apr 01 19:09:32 <sugardave> and if so, will the BIOS let you pick it as a boot device?
Apr 01 19:09:34 <haeffb> yes, there's a slot, but it won't boot from there
Apr 01 19:09:37 <haeffb> nope.
Apr 01 19:09:40 <NuttyBunny> no, no, try with an usb memory, not a reader, they tend to not boot
Apr 01 19:09:42 <sugardave> bogus
Apr 01 19:09:54 * haeffb not going back to walmart for a flash drive
Apr 01 19:09:56 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: there are 2 slots, have you tried on both?
Apr 01 19:10:06 <NuttyBunny> (SD)
Apr 01 19:10:22 <NuttyBunny> at least my acer netbook has 2 :)
Apr 01 19:10:23 <haeffb> ah, no
Apr 01 19:10:59 <haeffb> meh. still boots to Windoze
Apr 01 19:11:21 <NuttyBunny> mmm.. .a boot option for the SD card in the bios maybe?
Apr 01 19:11:24 <haeffb> nope
Apr 01 19:11:40 <NuttyBunny> then you'll have to go to walmart again, or do it later :)
Apr 01 19:11:40 <sugardave> do you have ANY usb flash drives at all?  you could just put the boot partition on it and the rest of the system on the sd card
Apr 01 19:11:43 <haeffb> I moved the HDD to last slot in boot order, so...
Apr 01 19:11:48 <sugardave> it sucks because you need both, but...
Apr 01 19:12:00 <haeffb> I have a 16MB flash drive
Apr 01 19:12:08 <sugardave> hmmm
Apr 01 19:12:13 <NuttyBunny> sugardave has a point there, I've never tried it tho
Apr 01 19:12:40 <NuttyBunny> remember he can't boot from the usb card :)
Apr 01 19:12:59 <haeffb> I can boot from USB FDD or USB HDD options in BIOS
Apr 01 19:13:12 <haeffb> but my card reader just causes it to hang
Apr 01 19:13:19 <NuttyBunny> I have another idea... but it won't work now that I remember reading the release notes... you may use WUBI, but it doesn't work in this version :S
Apr 01 19:13:58 <haeffb> how would I create the boot partition on the flash drive?
Apr 01 19:14:43 <SineOt> Oooooh, that's sneaky :B
Apr 01 19:15:01 <SineOt> "Safari can not be removed because it is required by OSX!" :B
Apr 01 19:15:15 <NuttyBunny> SineOt: the same goes for IE in windows :P
Apr 01 19:15:32 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: do you have linux somewhere else?
Apr 01 19:15:40 <haeffb> I'm soaking in it.
Apr 01 19:15:40 <sugardave> I think 16 MB is too small
Apr 01 19:16:01 <sugardave> but, if it weren't, you'd have to boot to it directly, not inside your reader
Apr 01 19:16:09 <NuttyBunny> if you have it in a virtual machine (any version), you could do sugardave's idea...
Apr 01 19:16:14 <haeffb> I mean, this laptop that I'm IRCing on has Ubuntu
Apr 01 19:16:26 <NuttyBunny> Ah, nice... my idea is...
Apr 01 19:16:48 <funkatron> UBUNTU!!!
Apr 01 19:17:07 <sugardave> haeffb: I'd boot the livecd and "install" it, do advanced drive/partition configuration and try to put the boot partition on your flash drive
Apr 01 19:17:10 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha  funkatron: are you a script just waiting for someone to mention ubuntu? :D
Apr 01 19:17:27 <funkatron> YES
Apr 01 19:17:28 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: exactly that
Apr 01 19:17:29 <funkatron> heh
Apr 01 19:17:39 <NuttyBunny> ^ +1 :D
Apr 01 19:18:29 <funkatron> so stomping my feet a bunch seems to have helped today
Apr 01 19:23:20 <SineOt> NuttyBunny: Yeah, but… Yeah! :P
Apr 01 19:23:28 <SineOt> Webkit is installed elsewhere anyways
Apr 01 19:24:17 * haeffb goes back to wal-mart for flash drive
Apr 01 19:25:08 <SineOt> I broke down. :< I went to Walmart the other day. :<
Apr 01 19:27:56 <fahhem> anybody see xk3d today?
Apr 01 19:28:53 <Loudergood> yeah, it's nice
Apr 01 19:29:19 <haeffb> anybody want to buy a slightly used 8GB SDHC card?
Apr 01 19:30:01 <Loudergood> I have exactly 0 things that take one of those
Apr 01 19:30:11 <fahhem> my coworker created the algorithm
Apr 01 19:44:54 <rwhitby> morning
Apr 01 19:45:05 <NuttyBunny> mornin Rod
Apr 01 19:45:32 <infiniteloop> whom do I contact if I need to check the status of review of my app ?
Apr 01 19:48:11 <NuttyBunny> mmm... Adora maybe?
Apr 01 19:48:45 <Loudergood> that's the rumor
Apr 01 20:02:28 <vinu76jsr> just received a message from reviewtomail, that my app got featured, was it an april fool.prank
Apr 01 20:05:09 <SineOt> I don't know, take it up with reviewtomail? :p
Apr 01 20:07:59 <vinu76jsr> just checking if anyone else received the same
Apr 01 20:08:41 <rwhitby> vinu76jsr: there is a reference to april 1st on their main page
Apr 01 20:09:37 <vinu76jsr> that got me suspiciois
Apr 01 20:14:04 <dawm> pathttp://www.atlassian.com/en/angrynerds
Apr 01 20:15:34 <dawm> thttp://www.atlassian.com/en/angrynerds
Apr 01 20:15:34 <MetaView> received several of this emails... like spam
Apr 01 20:15:36 <dawm> er]
Apr 01 20:15:41 <dawm> http://www.atlassian.com/en/angrynerds
Apr 01 20:19:37 <haeffb> got a 4GB Cruzer
Apr 01 20:20:26 <NuttyBunny> cool :D
Apr 01 20:20:38 <NuttyBunny> Flashing HP icon: I hate you! :D
Apr 01 20:20:42 <Simpson_2> hi all
Apr 01 20:20:51 <NuttyBunny> hi
Apr 01 20:21:45 <Simpson_2> our railways opened up a complete API here for free, time for a APP
Apr 01 20:21:59 <Loudergood> nice
Apr 01 20:22:07 * Loudergood wishes he had a railway
Apr 01 20:22:21 <Simpson_2> they provide a complete list of stations with lat/long variables, is there a easy way to determine the one closest ?
Apr 01 20:22:48 <Loudergood> use gps, do a little geometry
Apr 01 20:23:03 <Simpson_2> the first I figured, that later is hocus pocus to me :)
Apr 01 20:23:39 <Loudergood> well, then google distance between two coordinates, I'm sure there's an answer for you in there ;)
Apr 01 20:24:35 <Simpson_2> so I'll basicly have to do that for all stations then right ?
Apr 01 20:24:45 <SineOt> distance isn't very hard!
Apr 01 20:25:11 <SineOt> it's one of the easier geometric functions
Apr 01 20:25:47 <haeffb> dang. this cruzer is slow compared to the SDHC card
Apr 01 20:26:05 <Simpson_2> SineOt, if you did it once, it probably is
Apr 01 20:26:08 * NuttyBunny wants a SDHC card for his Wii
Apr 01 20:26:43 <SineOt> Distance is the square root of (Lat2-Lat1)^2 + (Long2-Long1)^2
Apr 01 20:26:52 <haeffb> c^2 = a^2 + b^2
Apr 01 20:27:14 <MetaView> which is not right everywhere...
Apr 01 20:27:20 * SineOt slaps haeffb around
Apr 01 20:28:33 <NuttyBunny> just for flat, 2 dimentional surfaces
Apr 01 20:29:33 * haeffb suspects no one is going to the other side of the planet to get a train
Apr 01 20:29:42 <haeffb> 2-D is probably sufficient
Apr 01 20:29:48 <SineOt> I 'undo, if I was trying to find the closest train station… Do you really need to calculate a three dimensional distance?
Apr 01 20:29:55 <MetaView> not in north cancada
Apr 01 20:29:58 <MetaView> canada
Apr 01 20:30:07 <grizzler> i miss my pre/pixi. the bb just dosent cut it :(
Apr 01 20:30:25 <grizzler> sorry to interrupt the convo
Apr 01 20:30:29 <MetaView> it has nothing to do with 3d, the distance between lat and lon isn't equal all over the planet
Apr 01 20:30:30 <Loudergood> there are train stations in north canada?
Apr 01 20:30:40 <haeffb> true enough
Apr 01 20:30:44 <MetaView> there are train stations in north europe, at least
Apr 01 20:30:50 <MetaView> south australia
Apr 01 20:31:14 <Loudergood> actually the distance between lon is the same, but not lat..
Apr 01 20:31:26 <MetaView> right
Apr 01 20:31:29 <Simpson_2> in my country it will probably be enough :P
Apr 01 20:31:34 <Hendikins> haeffb: I'm surrounded by bloody trains.
Apr 01 20:31:43 <Loudergood> that'd be a simple conversion factor though
Apr 01 20:31:43 <haeffb> you could convert lat/lon to some planar coordinate system
Apr 01 20:32:03 <MetaView> there are example equations in the net
Apr 01 20:32:11 <Hendikins> And I just wish my Pres would give me the correct latitude :P
Apr 01 20:32:12 <Loudergood> I'm sure
Apr 01 20:32:14 <MetaView> just pick one and you are fine
Apr 01 20:32:21 <MetaView> you even get the heading
Apr 01 20:32:26 <Simpson_2> okay thx guys
Apr 01 20:34:52 <haeffb> flash drive is ready...let's see what happens
Apr 01 20:36:32 <haeffb> woo!
Apr 01 20:36:51 <haeffb> u
Apr 01 20:36:57 <haeffb> b u n t u
Apr 01 20:37:59 <NuttyBunny> told ya, boot from a real usb stick
Apr 01 20:39:37 <haeffb> if only you'd told me three hours ago... :)
Apr 01 20:41:41 <haeffb> probably shouldn't bother with dual-boot, but...
Apr 01 20:42:06 <NuttyBunny> well, I said: "no, no, try with an usb memory, not a reader, they tend to not boot"
Apr 01 20:43:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> afternoon all
Apr 01 20:44:55 <NuttyBunny> afternoon
Apr 01 20:45:33 <dohtem> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/03/slice-hd-you-will-hurt-your-fingers-on-your-ipad.ars  - this looks crazy
Apr 01 20:48:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay nuttybunny and dothem
Apr 01 20:48:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> dohtem*
Apr 01 20:48:57 <dohtem> hey PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 01 20:49:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's the patch comin nutty?
Apr 01 20:50:22 <NuttyBunny> well, now it just doesn't connect to msn, now it crashes :D
Apr 01 20:50:26 <NuttyBunny> so, not so well...
Apr 01 20:50:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol.. brb
Apr 01 20:52:02 <Hendikins> I should cattle prod that Stephen Quoll guy and get him to give a hand with that.
Apr 01 20:53:13 * Hendikins doesn't use the messaging patches, blames it on cobuyitaphobia.
Apr 01 20:55:37 <haeffb> re-partitioning is taking a loooonnnngggg time
Apr 01 20:55:55 <haeffb> does the apple BT keyboard work with Pre2?
Apr 01 20:57:42 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: repartition checks the filesystems twice, once before and once after it actually resize the partitions
Apr 01 20:59:05 <haeffb> yeah, I shoulda just nuked Windows
Apr 01 20:59:15 <haeffb> woo, that's done!
Apr 01 20:59:19 <NuttyBunny> cool
Apr 01 21:00:05 <haeffb> what happens if I choose USA-Cherokee keyboard... ?
Apr 01 21:12:30 <Tibfib> in your opinion: best music player for ubuntu?
Apr 01 21:12:39 <NuttyBunny> haeffb: no idea :)
Apr 01 21:13:26 <haeffb> hmmm... this Unity interface is different
Apr 01 21:28:37 <Tibfib_ubuntu> nice. just got my dev pre2 in mail
Apr 01 21:28:58 <SimpsonTP> Tibfib_ubuntu, ah, when did you request it ?
Apr 01 21:29:07 <Tibfib_ubuntu> a month or two ago
Apr 01 21:30:28 <SimpsonTP> ah nice, that means i'll probably get mine soon as well ;)
Apr 01 21:30:40 <SimpsonTP> since that means the new batch is available !
Apr 01 21:39:14 <Tibfib_ubuntu> yeah looks like it
Apr 01 21:40:05 <grizzler> anyone need any palm pixi or pre parts?
Apr 01 21:41:43 <dawm> wheres patrick...
Apr 01 21:43:15 <Tibfib_ubuntu> dang. I like ubuntu
Apr 01 21:47:09 <haeffb> Tibfib: yay!
Apr 01 21:48:16 <haeffb> ubuntu is cool
Apr 01 21:48:27 <haeffb> ubuntu is now running on the netbook
Apr 01 21:48:40 <haeffb> grizzler: NuttyBunny needs pre parts
Apr 01 21:50:11 <NuttyBunny> grizzler: I need the slider mechanism with working volume buttons :)
Apr 01 21:51:04 <grizzler> NuttyBunny: ok
Apr 01 21:51:23 <Tibfib_ubuntu> haeffb, does it run faster in a "real" install?
Apr 01 21:51:30 <Tibfib_ubuntu> I'm doing the wubi thing atm
Apr 01 21:51:56 <grizzler> the vibrator piece dosent really work though. it vibrates very softly
Apr 01 21:52:07 <haeffb> dunno, I installed dual boot
Apr 01 21:52:37 <grizzler> other that, its in good condition
Apr 01 21:52:44 <ajay> howdy
Apr 01 21:53:07 <NuttyBunny> grizzler: is the little motor easy to change?
Apr 01 21:53:34 <grizzler> lemme check
Apr 01 21:54:26 <Tibfib_ubuntu> dang. chrome 5 here
Apr 01 21:55:01 <NuttyBunny> Tibfib: Ubuntu runs faster under real hardware than inside a vm :D
Apr 01 21:55:12 <NuttyBunny> aah... wubi
Apr 01 21:55:37 <NuttyBunny> you're running on real hardware, but in a "virtualized" hard disk, you won't see that much difference
Apr 01 21:55:51 <Tibfib_ubuntu> yeah. not a vm
Apr 01 21:56:03 <Tibfib_ubuntu> wanted an easy install to check it out :)
Apr 01 21:56:45 <NuttyBunny> gotta go feed the worm ;)   brb
Apr 01 21:56:51 <Tibfib_ubuntu> unfortunately I haven't used it in a few months and have 300 packages to dl and update
Apr 01 21:57:25 <Tibfib_ubuntu> favorite linux test editor?
Apr 01 21:57:53 <grizzler> nuttybunny: i'm not sure. i can see the solder points. not sure if anything else will be holding it into place
Apr 01 21:57:53 <Tibfib_ubuntu> text*
Apr 01 21:58:49 <haeffb> eclipse/aptana... :)
Apr 01 22:00:09 * haeffb going mobile. see y'all.
Apr 01 22:00:13 <Tibfib_ubuntu> heh
Apr 01 22:00:14 <Tibfib_ubuntu> cya
Apr 01 22:02:06 <madnificent> Tibfib_ubuntu: ieh, you got your pre2 :)
Apr 01 22:02:18 * madnificent hopes they'll send one his way
Apr 01 22:07:29 <Tibfib_ubuntu> hmm, the wifi button light on my laptop keeps flashing on and off :/
Apr 01 22:07:58 <madnificent> Tibfib_ubuntu: so... you're using wifi for something?
Apr 01 22:08:09 <Tibfib_ubuntu> it doesn't do that on windows
Apr 01 22:08:28 <madnificent> perhaps the windows driver doesn't use the led correctly?
Apr 01 22:08:42 <ctbeiser> It's obviously a feature.
Apr 01 22:08:44 <Tibfib_ubuntu> maybe
Apr 01 22:08:47 <Tibfib_ubuntu> haha.
Apr 01 22:09:05 <madnificent> Tibfib_ubuntu: it's just acting on april fools day :)
Apr 01 22:09:07 <Tibfib_ubuntu> but I'm pretty sure it is just an indicator of whether wifi is on or off
Apr 01 22:09:15 <Tibfib_ubuntu> it's flashing REALLY fast
Apr 01 22:09:16 <sugardave> it's redundant data, duplicating your packets via Morse code
Apr 01 22:09:42 <madnificent> sugardave: like on for 1 and off for 0?
Apr 01 22:09:49 <sugardave> yep
Apr 01 22:10:30 <madnificent> Tibfib_ubuntu: could you verify that?  Just send a few simple UDP packets from another box to your box and compare the light flashes to the packet... not that hard
Apr 01 22:10:35 <madnificent> ;)
Apr 01 22:11:36 <sugardave> haha
Apr 01 22:13:02 * madnificent should start doing stuff
Apr 01 22:14:48 <vaibhav__> can I install webos sdk for 1.4.5 and 2.1 side by side
Apr 01 22:16:14 <Tibfib_ubuntu> it is "supposed" to be an on/off indicator
Apr 01 22:21:31 <vaibhav__> in short I want to know can I develop webos 1.4.5 apps with 2.1 SDK
Apr 01 22:26:00 <NuttyBunny> vaibhav__: you can install 2.1 SDK and package your apps with a command line flag to make them 1.4.5 app catalog compliant
Apr 01 22:26:27 <NuttyBunny> in other words, you can develop 1.4.x apps with the 2.1 sdk
Apr 01 22:27:35 <vaibhav__> ok thhanks
Apr 01 22:27:57 <vaibhav__> what about 3.0
Apr 01 22:28:02 <vaibhav__> same thing I suppose
Apr 01 22:28:33 <NuttyBunny> I suppose, yes
Apr 01 22:28:50 <vaibhav__> thanks..., downloading both
Apr 01 22:35:24 <NuttyBunny> Who has an unlocked Pre 2 (GSM), activated with full catalog access?
Apr 01 22:35:40 <JenP> hi all!
Apr 01 22:36:20 <fahhem> hey JenP
Apr 01 22:36:27 <JenP> hiya
Apr 01 22:38:57 <NuttyBunny> hi JenP
Apr 01 22:39:09 <JenP> hi!
Apr 01 22:44:20 <Tibfib_ubuntu> heh, well now the wifi indicator is set to off. shmeh
Apr 01 22:44:32 <Tibfib_ubuntu> oh, and now it's flashing
Apr 01 22:44:43 <Tibfib_ubuntu> it might be indicating status now
Apr 01 22:44:59 <halfhalo> aoifuh;uhads;fwer
Apr 01 22:45:09 <halfhalo> stupd router is crashing
Apr 01 22:47:21 <halfhalo> I thought it was my freaking laptop this whole time as well
Apr 01 22:51:18 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Apr 01 22:51:34 * NuttyBunny uses a linux based wifi access point/router to avoid issues :P
Apr 01 22:52:26 <SineOt> We're using an FCC WhiteBox XD
Apr 01 22:52:34 <SineOt> It's pretty awesome, actually. :B
Apr 01 22:52:55 <SineOt> I hope that SamKnows branches out and includes their testing suite in more routers, because I've been really impressed by it.
Apr 01 22:53:14 <bamboo> what js game engine do you use for webos develiop?
Apr 01 22:53:42 * halfhalo does not like ze buffalo routers anymores
Apr 01 22:55:10 <madnificent> can someone find the default style for a paragraph in WebOS?  It's silly but I don't have an app that runs in chrome _and_ which shows a paragraph, to steal its styl
Apr 01 22:55:19 <madnificent> s/styl/style
Apr 01 22:55:41 <SineOt> madnificent: look in /opt/ or where ever the SDK got installed
Apr 01 22:55:46 <SineOt> they include all the CSS files right there
Apr 01 22:56:18 <madnificent> SineOt: I was affraid that it might combine several, but yes, thanks :)
Apr 01 22:56:41 <SineOt> It's generally pretty well laid out
Apr 01 22:56:53 <SineOt> stuff like paragraph stylings should be in the global css
Apr 01 22:58:17 <madnificent> yeah, I'm surprised!
Apr 01 23:00:06 <SineOt> if you're going to change stuff though!
Apr 01 23:00:16 <SineOt> save yourself the trouble and add on another class to whatever you're theming
Apr 01 23:00:32 <SineOt> so like class="palm-paragraph-or-whatever my-style"
Apr 01 23:00:58 <madnificent> SineOt: I just want some stuff to use the same font, but I get what you're aiming for
Apr 01 23:01:01 <madnificent> good advice
Apr 01 23:01:17 * madnificent is styling relative to a top-level class though, but that's roughly the same
Apr 01 23:01:59 <SineOt> yeah, I used to do it with !important crap and that just got old :C
Apr 01 23:03:09 <madnificent> how do you mean?
Apr 01 23:03:34 <SineOt> it'd only apply sometimes and just generally worked weird
Apr 01 23:03:43 <madnificent> oh
Apr 01 23:03:52 <SineOt> but adding new classes on top made the overrides of default stylings work a lot better
Apr 01 23:06:08 <madnificent> I especially don't want to mess all other things up.  This is for the help/manual page. (which is boring for users, but hey)
Apr 01 23:07:23 <Tibfib_ubuntu> the app pages were updated!!!! http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tibfib.app.koto
Apr 01 23:07:53 <SineOt> Tibfib_ubuntu!
Apr 01 23:07:56 <Tibfib_ubuntu> not much changed in features
Apr 01 23:07:58 <Tibfib_ubuntu> but looks better
Apr 01 23:08:08 <SineOt> Notice anything odd about what devices it lists as available for?
Apr 01 23:08:24 <NuttyBunny> ~seen destinal
Apr 01 23:08:25 <Tibfib_ubuntu> pixi
Apr 01 23:08:26 <Tibfib_ubuntu> lol
Apr 01 23:08:52 <SineOt> Oh, ahahaha! Hadn't noticed that
Apr 01 23:08:56 <SineOt> More that it listed the Veer!
Apr 01 23:09:51 <Tibfib_ubuntu> well it does :)
Apr 01 23:10:13 <NuttyBunny> webOS 2 on the Pixi... I think both Tibfib and Greg Roll have it
Apr 01 23:10:22 <NuttyBunny> ¬¬
Apr 01 23:10:26 <SineOt> I want it :C
Apr 01 23:10:43 <Tibfib_ubuntu> chuqui, fyi, https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tibfib.app.koto the link to "apps" is broken
Apr 01 23:10:49 * Tibfib_ubuntu has never used a pixi
Apr 01 23:11:16 <Tibfib_ubuntu> he would.
Apr 01 23:11:19 <Tibfib_ubuntu> ;)
Apr 01 23:13:50 <madnificent> small-caps doesn't seem to work on WebOS 1.4.5, is that normal?
Apr 01 23:14:15 <madnificent> it just capitalizes (which is possible if the font doesn't support it, I just want to see if I'm being a fool.
Apr 01 23:14:37 * madnificent has never seen a pixi
Apr 01 23:18:44 * SineOt owns one! Got it like, launch day on Sprint!
Apr 01 23:29:02 <karma22> hey ppl
Apr 01 23:30:40 <grizzler> palm_pixi
Apr 01 23:30:48 <palm_pixi> :3
Apr 01 23:31:56 <karma22> when can we expect any updates to 2.0 for pixi
Apr 01 23:32:14 <rawle> What's up with so many books in the app catalog
Apr 01 23:32:43 <rawle> Pixi is dead man.
Apr 01 23:32:47 <palm_pixi> i know
Apr 01 23:32:55 <rawle> Horribly slow phone
Apr 01 23:33:00 <karma22> I hate the pixi
Apr 01 23:33:01 <palm_pixi> unless overclocked
Apr 01 23:33:14 <karma22> ya mines overclocked hehe
Apr 01 23:33:41 <karma22> but I noticed when overclocked it tends to crash easyer
Apr 01 23:33:47 <rawle> I overclocked the first pre and still found it slow
Apr 01 23:34:34 <madnificent> rawle: so I should assume that a pre2 will feel faster than an overclocked pre-?
Apr 01 23:35:07 <karma22> madn probaby by far yes
Apr 01 23:35:20 <madnificent> cool
Apr 01 23:35:26 <Tibfib_ubuntu> I think my internet is slower on ubuntu. somehow
Apr 01 23:35:26 <Tibfib_ubuntu> madnificent, it is true
Apr 01 23:35:30 <Tibfib_ubuntu> but I wouldn't say by far
Apr 01 23:35:36 <rawle> I have no idea. I think webos is the main problem not the hardware. The pa is generally slow and requires lots of load time
Apr 01 23:35:56 <Tibfib_ubuntu> wrong
Apr 01 23:36:24 <karma22> I wonder if ubunu is ever gonna b ported to the pixi or pre hehe
Apr 01 23:36:24 <Tibfib_ubuntu> hardware is definitely the problem
Apr 01 23:36:50 <Tibfib_ubuntu> altho a few optimizations never hurt anyone
Apr 01 23:36:55 <karma22> tht would b interesting
Apr 01 23:37:23 <rawle> Iphone 3g has the same hardware as original pre yet things are really fast.
Apr 01 23:37:54 <madnificent> rawle: but it only does one thing at a time (you're still right though)
Apr 01 23:38:38 <Tibfib_ubuntu> rawle, have you tried a pre2?
Apr 01 23:38:44 <madnificent> CSS requires some computational power, so does javascript.  We should all use a different language than javascript, but no one tends to learn something that's worth spending time on.
Apr 01 23:38:56 <rawle> Sometimes I am not even doing anything and get errors about too many cards
Apr 01 23:39:10 <madnificent> Tibfib_ubuntu: you're just bragging with your new toy :D
Apr 01 23:39:18 <rawle> Sprint does not have a pre 2 nor would I want one
Apr 01 23:39:19 <Tibfib_ubuntu> lol, I bought one myself a few months ago
Apr 01 23:39:40 * sugardave is pretty pissed off.  "Was supposed to have a technical screen call 1.5 hours ago."
Apr 01 23:39:42 <Tibfib_ubuntu> rawle, the pre2 hardware makes a huge difference.
Apr 01 23:39:45 * madnificent is too poor for that :)
Apr 01 23:39:49 <sugardave> nothing, no email, no phone call, no response to ping
Apr 01 23:39:51 <sugardave> :/
Apr 01 23:39:57 <madnificent> sugardave: about what?
Apr 01 23:39:59 <Tibfib_ubuntu> sorry :(
Apr 01 23:40:12 <rawle> My next phon needs more than a 3.1 screen
Apr 01 23:40:15 <sugardave> madnificent: presumably javascript
Apr 01 23:40:22 <sugardave> and/or Mojo/Enyo
Apr 01 23:40:28 <madnificent> rawle: easy: get a tablet
Apr 01 23:40:34 <rawle> Nah
Apr 01 23:40:43 <rawle> That's just too big
Apr 01 23:40:44 <sugardave> or maybe just general bad-assery...who knows?  I don't, because they never called!
Apr 01 23:41:05 <Tibfib_ubuntu> oh, was it SWAT related?
Apr 01 23:41:13 <sugardave> yes
Apr 01 23:41:14 * madnificent is sick and tired of people wanting a 5" phone.  What the crap dudes, it's a phone.  That inch doesn't give you more content, you want more pixels!  But then I should stop ranting because the world will hate me sometime soon :P
Apr 01 23:41:16 <bamboo> can i prepare my app only for pre, not for pixi and will it be accepted?
Apr 01 23:41:17 <Tibfib_ubuntu> that sucks
Apr 01 23:41:29 <Tibfib_ubuntu> bbl
Apr 01 23:41:31 <madnificent> sugardave: what were they calling for?
Apr 01 23:41:36 * Tibfib_ubuntu is excited for pre3 size
Apr 01 23:41:39 <madnificent> sugardave: well, what should they have called for
Apr 01 23:41:43 <rawle> 6,,,# 6 uu
Apr 01 23:41:44 <Tibfib_ubuntu> it should be good/perfect :)
Apr 01 23:42:02 <madnificent> bamboo: you can select it in the catalog upon submission
Apr 01 23:42:06 <sugardave> madnificent: js, Mojo, Enyo, how awesome I am at troubleshooting, etc.
Apr 01 23:42:15 <madnificent> LoL
Apr 01 23:42:16 * sugardave needs to progress down the path.
Apr 01 23:42:59 <rawle> 4" is perfect
Apr 01 23:43:35 <rawle> When you look at it the pre 3 is actually a lot bigger than the evolution
Apr 01 23:43:59 <rawle> With the slider open the phone ain't that small.
Apr 01 23:47:05 * madnificent doesn't want the pre3 to be bigger than his pre-
Apr 01 23:47:18 <Xuzz> My Pre 2 is thicker than my laptop. :|
Apr 01 23:47:29 <ShadeS> get a pre 2 air then
Apr 01 23:48:05 <SineOt> The Pre3 is pretty thin!
Apr 01 23:48:13 <SineOt> It's cool. :I
Apr 01 23:51:14 <dawm> SineOt, you try that beta
Apr 01 23:51:30 <SineOt> oh! no, I'll try it right now before I forget again
Apr 01 23:52:30 <madnificent> Xuzz: which laptop
Apr 01 23:52:44 <dgathright> anyone know how to disable roaming? I haz webOS 1.4.5
Apr 01 23:52:48 * madnificent thinks he wants an hp 2760p as well, his 2710p has served him well
Apr 01 23:53:05 <madnificent> dgathright: open the phone app
Apr 01 23:53:13 <madnificent> dgathright: and check it's settings/preferences/something
Apr 01 23:53:17 <madnificent> dgathright: but it's hidden in there
Apr 01 23:53:31 <dgathright> ah hah!
Apr 01 23:53:34 <dgathright> thanks
Apr 01 23:53:36 <palm_pixi> should i buy this palm pre for $12?
Apr 01 23:53:36 <dgathright> could never find it
Apr 01 23:53:52 <SineOt> i dunno, does it work? :I
Apr 01 23:53:53 <madnificent> palm_pixi: you should always(TM) buy a pre for $12
Apr 01 23:54:01 <palm_pixi> yeah it works
Apr 01 23:54:07 <Xuzz> madnificent: MacBook Air
Apr 01 23:54:16 <palm_pixi> 1 sec, lemme find out whats wrong with it
Apr 01 23:54:20 <Xuzz> lol
Apr 01 23:54:42 <palm_pixi> eh, just a broken charger port
Apr 01 23:54:47 <madnificent> Xuzz: the 2710p isn't _that_ much ticker, but still a lot ticker than the pre-
Apr 01 23:55:13 <palm_pixi> i still have the board with the charging port from another pre
Apr 01 23:55:21 <madnificent> palm_pixi: still the touchstone... so you could use it... but it's hard to dev on it then
Apr 01 23:55:42 * madnificent thinks that will be a hard swap
Apr 01 23:55:52 <palm_pixi> the board swap?
Apr 01 23:56:11 <palm_pixi> @madnificent
Apr 01 23:56:12 <madnificent> no, the charging port... if you swap the whole board it might be simpler
Apr 01 23:56:22 <palm_pixi> yeah thats what im talking about lol
Apr 01 23:56:25 <madnificent> palm_pixi: ftr, I don't _know_
Apr 01 23:56:41 <palm_pixi> i'm gonna buy it
Apr 01 23:59:36 <haeffb> let the drinking of beer commence.
Apr 01 23:59:49 * palm_pixi cheers with haeffb
Apr 02 00:02:17 <SineOt> commence? it should never have stopped!
Apr 02 00:02:19 <haeffb> 5 Barrel Pale Ale from Odell Brewing Company
Apr 02 00:02:46 <haeffb> once again, SineOt speaks truth
Apr 02 00:04:18 <sugardave> Adora: make them call me!  dammit!
Apr 02 00:05:28 <madnificent> Adora is actually in this channel?
Apr 02 00:05:56 <madnificent> woah, the the connection name fits :)
Apr 02 00:06:00 <SineOt> no, it's a clone!
Apr 02 00:06:11 <madnificent> SineOt: clones are people too you know
Apr 02 00:06:13 * madnificent runs away crying
Apr 02 00:06:30 <madnificent> (with beer)
Apr 02 00:07:41 <haeffb> Serenity - the movie
Apr 02 00:08:11 * SineOt wouldn't dare say what he was watching right now :I
Apr 02 00:08:26 <haeffb> finished the Firefly series last night
Apr 02 00:08:49 <KungPhoo> http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/6819617/ROTATE-ROTATE-Game-programming-is-easier-with-GLBasic.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Tetris-God
Apr 02 00:08:49 <Loudergood> haeffb: yes I agree.
Apr 02 00:08:50 <haeffb> though it got stronger toward the end
Apr 02 00:10:06 <haeffb> s/though/thought
Apr 02 00:17:02 <dawm> SineOt, any thoughts?
Apr 02 00:17:21 <dawm> use 1.0.1
Apr 02 00:17:29 <SineOt> it's installing! I… Kind of broke my $PATH so palm-install wasn't working
Apr 02 00:17:35 <dawm> lol
Apr 02 00:20:43 <SineOt> whoa
Apr 02 00:20:48 <SineOt> that speed gets brutal fast! :O
Apr 02 00:20:55 <SineOt> Also: Make it full screen!
Apr 02 00:21:09 <dawm> speed resets to slowest at 1000pts
Apr 02 00:21:15 <dawm> increases per 100pts
Apr 02 00:21:41 <SineOt> so the longer you can play, it gets easier because it'll reset every 10 speed levels?
Apr 02 00:21:47 <dawm> yeah
Apr 02 00:22:15 <dawm> sugardave has the record with like 4000pts or something
Apr 02 00:22:19 <dawm> my highest has been 3876
Apr 02 00:23:01 <SineOt> I got uh… 750 or so. :I
Apr 02 00:23:04 <dawm> sometimes i dotn break 900
Apr 02 00:23:10 <dawm> so its somewhat strategy
Apr 02 00:23:16 <dawm> and luck
Apr 02 00:26:16 <rawle> Someone should really make a scrabble game for webos like words with friends
Apr 02 00:26:52 <rawle> Ea scrabble game is crap compared to what they have on other platforms
Apr 02 00:27:35 <dawm> so whats stopping you?
Apr 02 00:29:13 <SineOt> dawm: plays pretty awesome though
Apr 02 00:29:16 <SineOt> I like it :3
Apr 02 00:30:10 <SineOt> dawm: are there any plans for difficulty levels?
Apr 02 00:31:30 <rawle> Just checked and there are over 150 palm pre users going back to over a gear asking them to port words with friends
Apr 02 00:31:47 <rawle> Year
Apr 02 00:32:06 <rawle> Don't understand why so many developers act like webls doesn't exist
Apr 02 00:32:33 <madnificent> rawle: that'll change
Apr 02 00:32:58 <SineOt> it's been easy to ignore for a long time
Apr 02 00:33:18 <SineOt> because a lot of devs go in looking to make a quick buck, not to make people happy
Apr 02 00:34:14 <dawm> SineOt, yes, there will be a mode where youre limited to 100 taps per 1000pts
Apr 02 00:34:34 <dawm> makes it more challenging
Apr 02 00:34:48 <SineOt> and hopefully something for those of us who just want to kill time? :p
Apr 02 00:35:02 <dawm> thats what ya got ;p
Apr 02 00:35:11 <dawm> im still tweaking the speeds
Apr 02 00:35:20 <dawm> on device is half the speed as on the desktop
Apr 02 00:35:29 <dawm> no idea why
Apr 02 00:35:45 <dawm> so its almost unplayable on the desktop using the device speeds ;p
Apr 02 00:36:13 <SineOt> just halve the speeds again for a dum-dum mode :p
Apr 02 00:36:29 <dawm> halving them will make it faster
Apr 02 00:36:32 <haeffb> Tibfib: make a music player that syncs with ubuntu one
Apr 02 00:36:49 <SineOt> oh yeah, durp durp
Apr 02 00:38:08 <dawm> i could increase the pts per level limit tho
Apr 02 00:38:40 <SineOt> like, taking 200 points to bump up a speed level?
Apr 02 00:39:06 <haeffb> and/or Amazon cloud drive
Apr 02 00:39:12 <dawm> yeah
Apr 02 00:39:23 <dawm> i had it at 300per
Apr 02 00:39:28 <dawm> but it seemed way slow and long
Apr 02 00:45:45 <SineOt> maybe try like 175
Apr 02 00:46:43 <Loudergood> it's a game, don't you have to add an arbitrary number of zeros to the end of the score anyway?
Apr 02 01:00:08 <SineOt> dawm: voting secret otter mode where blocks are in fact varieties of sushi :I
Apr 02 01:00:19 <dawm> lol
Apr 02 01:00:36 <dawm> Loudergood, no
Apr 02 01:00:49 <dawm> i hate ridiculous scores
Apr 02 01:01:38 <Loudergood> you could always have it artificially roll over to random bytes like super mario brothers
Apr 02 01:06:33 <SineOt> Just add a Donkey Kong style kill screen.
Apr 02 01:08:10 <palm_pixi> i'm such an idiot
Apr 02 01:08:25 <haeffb> welcome to the club
Apr 02 01:08:48 <oil> do you get cool jackets?
Apr 02 01:08:53 <palm_pixi> i tugged too hard on the ribbon and broke the LCD
Apr 02 01:09:07 <Loudergood> :(
Apr 02 01:09:33 <palm_pixi> eh atleast i got some experience
Apr 02 01:09:38 <palm_pixi> ...not that i will be using it again...
Apr 02 01:10:48 <haeffb> we get jackets.
Apr 02 01:10:57 <haeffb> "cool" is debatable
Apr 02 01:11:30 <haeffb> at one time, "Members Only" jackets were cool
Apr 02 01:11:46 <oil> on the back it says "help, i'm being worn by an idiot"?
Apr 02 01:13:01 <haeffb> why would I have looked at the back?
Apr 02 01:28:04 <SineOt> poniponiponiponi. :I
Apr 02 01:31:55 * PatrickC_Pre wonders about SineOt sometimes :p
Apr 02 01:32:32 <dawm> PatrickC_Pre, you try out the beta? specifically the 2nd one i emailed 1.0.1?
Apr 02 01:32:44 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Apr 02 01:32:49 <PatrickC_Pre> I got to about 960
Apr 02 01:32:57 <dawm> fail
Apr 02 01:33:06 <dawm> my highest 3876
Apr 02 01:33:08 <PatrickC_Pre> I played once lol
Apr 02 01:33:14 <dawm> dave has somewhere in the 4000 area
Apr 02 01:33:16 <PatrickC_Pre> you designed it :p
Apr 02 01:33:21 <PatrickC_Pre> I know he does
Apr 02 01:33:22 <dawm> no cheats
Apr 02 01:33:28 <PatrickC_Pre> dave has no life
Apr 02 01:33:31 <dawm> lol
Apr 02 01:33:31 * PatrickC_Pre ducks
Apr 02 01:34:09 <PatrickC_Pre> you need a lot of different scenes in that game :)
Apr 02 01:34:16 <SineOt> why?
Apr 02 01:34:39 <PatrickC_Pre> different levels, opening scene, help etc.
Apr 02 01:34:40 <dawm> PatrickC_Pre, its no where near releasing, it was just a quick test
Apr 02 01:34:48 <dawm> duh
Apr 02 01:34:53 <PatrickC_Pre> I know lol
Apr 02 01:35:01 <PatrickC_Pre> it was a good test too
Apr 02 01:35:41 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDGfzYiDEpI
Apr 02 01:35:42 <dawm> epic
Apr 02 01:35:49 <dawm> semi that gymkhana's :P
Apr 02 01:35:49 <PatrickC_Pre> can't wait for it to be in a later stage
Apr 02 01:36:06 <PatrickC_Pre> wow.. looks cool
Apr 02 01:36:10 <PatrickC_Pre> I'll watch that later
Apr 02 01:36:19 <dawm> im just happy it works, but i still gotta get the cpu usage down
Apr 02 01:36:24 <dawm> 50% is high heh
Apr 02 01:36:37 <PatrickC_Pre> it ran fine for me
Apr 02 01:36:44 <PatrickC_Pre> no lag
Apr 02 01:37:00 <dawm> drains my battery if i play it alot
Apr 02 01:37:35 <PatrickC_Pre> I haven't played it a a lot.. so..
Apr 02 01:37:52 <PatrickC_Pre> its a good game
Apr 02 01:38:20 <PatrickC_Pre> I have some feature requests, but they will probably come in down the line
Apr 02 01:38:29 <dawm> email em to me, im off to bed
Apr 02 01:38:35 <PatrickC_Pre> ok, night
Apr 02 01:39:15 <SineOt> PatrickC_Pre: it's like azu manga diao or whatever, it's awesome :I
Apr 02 01:39:20 <SineOt> haters gonna hate
Apr 02 01:39:47 <PatrickC_Pre>  azu manga diao?
Apr 02 01:42:04 <SineOt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azumanga_Daioh
Apr 02 01:43:39 <PatrickC_Pre> lol.
Apr 02 01:54:28 * PatrickC_Pre is watching Karate Kid 2
Apr 02 01:54:39 <PatrickC_Pre> haven't seen this movie in forever
Apr 02 01:58:18 <halfhalo> muuuuurrrrr
Apr 02 01:58:20 <SineOt> I love that two of the stupidest ponies have marks that are, respectively, a pair of safety scissors and a snail. :I
Apr 02 01:59:23 * halfhalo has shiny new win7 install on his laptop
Apr 02 02:03:08 <PatrickC_Pre> halfhalo: x64 right?
Apr 02 02:08:22 <halfhalo> lets go with that
Apr 02 02:09:50 <madnificent> has anyone tried to use the contacts application on webos 2.1?
Apr 02 02:09:59 <madnificent> I'm trying to adapt to the new system
Apr 02 02:09:59 <PatrickC_Pre> yea
Apr 02 02:10:09 <PatrickC_Pre> I use it all the time
Apr 02 02:11:14 * halfhalo goes to make a friggin titanium based irc client since all windows clients suck
Apr 02 02:12:26 <PatrickC_Pre> or just run ubuntu along side
Apr 02 02:12:39 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre: I mean from an programmer pov
Apr 02 02:13:01 <halfhalo> ummm.... no?
Apr 02 02:13:37 <madnificent> halfhalo: try emacs's erc ^_^
Apr 02 02:13:46 * halfhalo gets the aze
Apr 02 02:13:51 <halfhalo> axe*
Apr 02 02:13:54 <madnificent> halfhalo: well, probably yes, but I don't see how it works
Apr 02 02:13:57 * madnificent ducks
Apr 02 02:14:00 * madnificent runs
Apr 02 02:14:21 <madnificent> Oh noes, and I can't use the contacts picker to help me out o_O
Apr 02 02:14:41 * halfhalo did find an email client that does almost all the stuff he wants on windows
Apr 02 02:19:16 <haeffb> serenity: good flick
Apr 02 02:19:25 <haeffb> still leaves many unresolved issues
Apr 02 02:19:42 <halfhalo> yup
Apr 02 02:20:00 <haeffb> now my bluray acts like it cannot connect to netflix
Apr 02 02:21:30 <PatrickC_Pre> my bluray player broke...
Apr 02 02:21:50 <haeffb> so did mine, so I bought a new one
Apr 02 02:22:14 <PatrickC_Pre> we haven't bought a new one yet
Apr 02 02:23:14 <palm_pixi> bluray sounds unreliable
Apr 02 02:23:32 <palm_pixi> many people have been having trouble with them lately
Apr 02 02:23:42 * madnificent still looks tv on a CRT monitor ^_^
Apr 02 02:24:14 <oil> they're designed to break
Apr 02 02:24:16 <oil> so you buy a new one
Apr 02 02:25:01 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 02 02:25:18 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Apr 02 02:25:34 <PatrickC_Pre> my bluray was built into my tv
Apr 02 02:25:40 <oil> you know whats awesome? old stuff that lasts FOREVER
Apr 02 02:25:58 <halfhalo> liar
Apr 02 02:26:08 <PatrickC_Pre> I know! I have a 12 yr old TV with a builtin VCR that still runs
Apr 02 02:26:20 <PatrickC_Pre> has a great picture too
Apr 02 02:26:23 <haeffb> yeah, my VHS player is still going strong
Apr 02 02:26:56 <oil> i got a vhs in my closet that has a remote on a long ass cable
Apr 02 02:27:03 <oil> i still lug it out when its needed
Apr 02 02:27:16 <oil> it pops open on the top haha
Apr 02 02:27:26 <halfhalo> psh
Apr 02 02:27:37 * oil takes picture of it?
Apr 02 02:27:55 <halfhalo> photoshoped
Apr 02 02:27:56 * haeffb moved on to "Dead Like Me"
Apr 02 02:28:09 <haeffb> streaming on my bluray from Netflix
Apr 02 02:28:12 <haeffb> take that, VHS
Apr 02 02:28:41 <oil> vhs is going to ruin the movie/tv industries
Apr 02 02:28:54 <oil> im going to start taping shows and selling them on the corner
Apr 02 02:29:13 <haeffb> vhs is the android of video
Apr 02 02:29:18 <oil> lol
Apr 02 02:29:20 <madnificent> oil: LoL
Apr 02 02:29:48 <PatrickC_Pre> haeffb: lol
Apr 02 02:30:45 <SineOt> I'm loving my Boxee Box :p
Apr 02 02:30:46 * halfhalo got his ssd/hd properly setup on his lappytop again
Apr 02 02:32:42 <halfhalo> visual studio I choose you!
Apr 02 02:34:21 <oil> thats what Adora thought of your choice
Apr 02 02:35:25 * halfhalo smacks oil
Apr 02 02:35:38 * oil intercepts for a high five!
Apr 02 02:49:27 <NuttyBunny> hi again!
Apr 02 02:56:28 <NuttyBunny> Who has an unlocked Pre 2 (GSM), activated with full catalog access?
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