**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 03 02:59:58 2011
Apr 03 03:05:08 <Popple3> I feel like such an idiot... It wasn't working because Ajax.Request is post by default. I just assumed get would be the default -__-
Apr 03 03:06:05 <Popple3> finally, I can sleep. night guys
Apr 03 04:12:35 * PatrickC_Pre2 casually walks by
Apr 03 04:13:37 * fahhem trips PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 03 04:14:15 * Tibfib laughs at PatrickC_Pre2 on ground
Apr 03 04:14:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> ow
Apr 03 04:14:41 <Tibfib> :)
Apr 03 04:14:57 * PatrickC_Pre2 smacks fahhem in the back of his head 
Apr 03 04:15:29 <fahhem> hey, it's a dangerous place to walk
Apr 03 04:16:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 Dinozo slaps TibFib
Apr 03 04:16:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Apr 03 04:16:15 * Tibfib slaps PatrickC_Pre2 around a bit with a large trout
Apr 03 04:16:38 <Tibfib> ...
Apr 03 04:16:44 <oil> poor trout
Apr 03 04:16:56 * Tibfib goes back to reading javascript book
Apr 03 04:17:09 <Tibfib> oil: ever read the good parts?
Apr 03 04:17:28 <oil> no
Apr 03 04:17:47 <Tibfib> I highly recommend it
Apr 03 04:17:49 <Tibfib> good stuff :)
Apr 03 04:17:58 <Tibfib> I thought I knew javascript. hah
Apr 03 04:18:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's Javascript?
Apr 03 04:18:37 <fahhem> it's just Java, right?
Apr 03 04:18:48 <Tibfib> yeah, I think so
Apr 03 04:19:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
Apr 03 04:19:14 <rsanchez1_> I've been reading the good parts
Apr 03 04:19:23 <rsanchez1_> a little too much evangelizing for my tastes
Apr 03 04:19:54 * PatrickC_Pre2 only reads the good parts, I don't like bad parts
Apr 03 04:20:27 <rsanchez1_> I've been trying all night to get mupen64 to run on my Pre
Apr 03 04:20:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> mupen64?
Apr 03 04:20:48 <rsanchez1_> lifted the executable from the mupen64 Pandora app
Apr 03 04:21:03 <rsanchez1_> http://apps.open-pandora.org/cgi-bin/viewapp.pl?/Emulator/mupen64plus-r1.inf
Apr 03 04:21:44 <rsanchez1_> after getting all libraries it depends on in my Pre, it turns out one of the libraries is incompatible with the version of libglib on the Pre
Apr 03 04:22:29 <rsanchez1_> but only if you want to run it with a gui, but if I try to run it without a gui, some games will give me a segmentation fault, while other games will "launch", but only a black screen shows up
Apr 03 04:22:53 <rsanchez1_> so close, yet so far away
Apr 03 04:23:43 <rsanchez1_> madnificent and I were able to get several Pandora games to run on the Pre earlier today, but mupen64 is a little tougher to get running
Apr 03 04:25:34 <fahhem> rsanchez1_: try statically compiling with the right libs
Apr 03 04:26:22 <rsanchez1_> I think that's what I'll do next, but probably tomorrow
Apr 03 04:27:13 <rsanchez1_> after I setup the PDK on this computer
Apr 03 04:27:30 <ctbeiser> There's all kinds of software you could probably get to run from the N900.
Apr 03 04:27:56 <rsanchez1_> that's the same one that can run Pre apps, right?
Apr 03 04:29:01 <ctbeiser> Yep.
Apr 03 04:29:19 <Spanska> Is anyone using Eclipse with the webOS 2.0 plugin?
Apr 03 04:29:24 * PatrickC_Pre2 kicks N900
Apr 03 04:29:47 <rsanchez1_> PatrickC_Pre2, didn't Nokia kick it enough already?
Apr 03 04:29:52 <ctbeiser> I've always thought it would be hella ironic to get their app for running pre apps (preenv) running under webos.
Apr 03 04:30:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> ctbeiser: do it, do it, do it, do it
Apr 03 04:31:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> noooooooo!!! nuttybunny left :'(
Apr 03 04:31:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I finally got it to work...
Apr 03 04:35:23 <ctbeiser> I used to own an N900, sold it to buy my Pre Plus. I only got one because Nokia had them on sale for $200, which was pretty good considering that the camera in that thing was better than any $200 camera I've owned… that, the kickstand, the two speakers, the ability to use openoffice under a full debian system and xfce, windows 95 under bochs (for bragging rights), the ability to use the stylus as a shiv, and the 480x800 screen are t
Apr 03 04:37:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> win95?
Apr 03 04:37:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 03 04:38:39 <ctbeiser> But considering the thing didn't have freaking portrait mode or multitouch or even a maps program as good as google maps, and half the time wouldn't even receive a phonecall, it's definately been a good decision.
Apr 03 04:39:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> Palm FTW!!!
Apr 03 04:40:13 <ctbeiser> People's minds were sooo blown when I was printing a document from openoffice though, on my phone.
Apr 03 04:40:21 <ctbeiser> Good times.
Apr 03 04:46:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I can print quickoffice from my pre...
Apr 03 04:47:09 * PatrickC_Pre2 that sounded better in my head... :/
Apr 03 05:21:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
Apr 03 05:26:19 * halfhalo has about 6 wireless networks running right now
Apr 03 05:29:13 <Spanska> that's a lot
Apr 03 05:42:18 <halfhalo> yup
Apr 03 05:42:45 <halfhalo> four seperate routers, one dual band, plus one virtual one
Apr 03 05:53:32 <Spanska> with a custom firmware?
Apr 03 06:05:22 <Xuzz> halfhalo: Please get a stable internet connection or part for good.
Apr 03 06:05:52 <rwhitby> meh, just get your client to ignore parts and joins :)
Apr 03 06:16:26 <Xuzz> eh, seems to be fixed anyway. I wonder if I could have my client show joins/parts, but hide streams of them
Apr 03 07:01:14 * Thomaschaaf (wave)
Apr 03 07:01:41 <Thomaschaaf> hey sandrstar
Apr 03 07:01:59 <sandrstar> hi, Thomaschaaf
Apr 03 07:04:28 <Thomaschaaf> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.komola.hercalendarfree palm made that site prettier
Apr 03 07:05:03 <Thomaschaaf> Available for: Palm Pre, Pre Plus, Pre2 Palm Pixi, HP Veer at the bottom
Apr 03 07:17:09 <hotdp> lol
Apr 03 07:17:14 <hotdp> Thomaschaaf: what browser?
Apr 03 07:18:00 <hotdp> in my Ie i get:2011 07:12:50 UTC   Message: 's' is undefined Line: 244 Char: 21 Code: 0 URI: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=de.komola.hercalendarfree
Apr 03 07:18:13 <hotdp> and a lot of missing elements
Apr 03 07:18:27 <hotdp> chrome is fine
Apr 03 07:18:41 <sandrstar> ff4 fine too
Apr 03 07:20:10 <hotdp> sandrstar can you check ie8?
Apr 03 07:24:28 <sandrstar> ie8.0.6 shows some alert about security and then displays fine. Bu some elements, like text alignment, background are  displayed not similar to ff
Apr 03 07:37:47 <hotdp> uhmm
Apr 03 07:38:32 <sash_> Is it normal that the Windows XP Hardware-Manager doesn't find drivers for the Palm Pre Plus?
Apr 03 07:38:46 <Thomaschaaf> no
Apr 03 07:39:08 <Thomaschaaf> sash_: or are you talking about dev mode?
Apr 03 07:39:10 <Thomaschaaf> then yes
Apr 03 07:39:26 <sash_> Ah, ok
Apr 03 07:39:28 <Thomaschaaf> if your device is in devmode it needs novacom drivers
Apr 03 07:39:36 <Thomaschaaf> which are in the sdk
Apr 03 07:39:39 <sash_> But I installed them
Apr 03 07:39:45 <Thomaschaaf> the sdk?
Apr 03 07:39:50 <Thomaschaaf> which version?
Apr 03 07:39:50 <sash_> Yop
Apr 03 07:39:52 <Thomaschaaf> 2.1?
Apr 03 07:39:53 <sash_> mom
Apr 03 07:40:14 <Thomaschaaf> if your device is 2.* and sdk only 1.4.5 or something you need to update the sdk
Apr 03 07:40:15 <sash_> Yop
Apr 03 07:40:29 <sash_> I have a 2.1 SDK and a 1.4.1-Device
Apr 03 07:40:38 <Thomaschaaf> the update the device
Apr 03 07:40:49 <sash_> But perhaps, the drivers aren't found automatically
Apr 03 07:40:51 <Thomaschaaf> atleast to 1.4.5
Apr 03 07:41:08 <sash_> And I have to manually point the manager to the driver
Apr 03 07:41:12 <Thomaschaaf> no 2.1 drivers are compatible with 1.4.5 and 2.0.1 and 2.1
Apr 03 07:41:18 <sash_> That's what I am trying to do.
Apr 03 07:41:19 <sash_> Aaaaaa
Apr 03 07:41:21 <sash_> Ok
Apr 03 07:41:23 <sash_> Crap...
Apr 03 07:41:26 <Thomaschaaf> 1.4.1 is old as hell
Apr 03 07:41:36 <sash_> Yes, i know
Apr 03 07:41:41 <Thomaschaaf> why not update?
Apr 03 07:42:01 <sash_> Because I don't get it into my WLAN and it takes a long time over 3G
Apr 03 07:42:04 <Thomaschaaf> any device can be updated to 2.1 without any problem
Apr 03 07:42:12 <Thomaschaaf> k
Apr 03 07:42:29 <Thomaschaaf> still should do it..
Apr 03 07:42:33 <Thomaschaaf> it'S worth it
Apr 03 07:42:45 <sash_> I have an 802.1X-Enterprise Wifi and don't know how to install my cert on the Palm
Apr 03 07:43:06 <sash_> I thought, I could directly update it via WebOs-Doctor :)
Apr 03 07:44:11 <Thomaschaaf> either OTA or doctor
Apr 03 07:44:28 <sash_> But the device isn't recognized
Apr 03 07:44:35 <sash_> SO, i will do it OTA now
Apr 03 07:45:17 <Thomaschaaf> you have to put it into update mode
Apr 03 07:45:20 <Thomaschaaf> force upgrade mode
Apr 03 07:45:31 <Thomaschaaf> this will wipe all information on the device though
Apr 03 07:45:41 <Thomaschaaf> ota to 2.1 will keep
Apr 03 07:45:41 <sash_> This thing is quite nerdy, isn't it?...
Apr 03 07:45:46 <Thomaschaaf> yes
Apr 03 07:45:54 <Thomaschaaf> you can actually not OTA to 2.1
Apr 03 07:46:08 <Thomaschaaf> has to be done with a doctor
Apr 03 07:46:09 <sash_> I have no data on it, but I don't get it recognized by my PC
Apr 03 07:46:49 <sash_> So, i will do OTA-Update to 1.4.5 and then Upgrade via WebOS-Doctor to 2.1
Apr 03 07:46:57 <sash_> Or is this nonsense?
Apr 03 07:48:18 <Thomaschaaf> just webos docotr to 2.1
Apr 03 07:48:31 <Thomaschaaf> turn the device off
Apr 03 07:48:43 <Thomaschaaf> then press the volume up button
Apr 03 07:49:08 <Thomaschaaf> and then connect it to your computer
Apr 03 07:49:14 <Thomaschaaf> should display a big usb sign thne
Apr 03 07:49:34 <sash_> Will try that again :(
Apr 03 07:50:21 <sash_> must webosdoctor run before doing that?
Apr 03 07:51:27 <sash_> Hmm... I had it on AC the whole night while it was shut off, but the battery didn't load.
Apr 03 07:51:31 <sash_> Crap
Apr 03 08:14:21 <sash_> Hmm... Gets quite warm while loading
Apr 03 08:15:43 <hotdp> oced?
Apr 03 08:18:13 <sash_> No, no. It's new
Apr 03 08:18:35 <hotdp> booting or loading stuff?
Apr 03 08:18:48 <sash_> Just loading battery
Apr 03 08:19:09 <hotdp> charing?
Apr 03 08:19:41 <sash_> No
Apr 03 08:20:09 <hotdp> what is "loading battery" ?
Apr 03 08:20:21 <sash_> Plugged to AC
Apr 03 08:20:31 <SineOt> so charging :I
Apr 03 08:20:36 <sash_> Charging :)
Apr 03 08:21:41 <sash_> He wrote "charing" :) I didn't know that word, translated it and that fits into context, too
Apr 03 08:22:25 <hotdp> lol
Apr 03 08:22:27 <hotdp> sry
Apr 03 08:22:42 <hotdp> SineOt: thanks for the spelling correction ;)
Apr 03 08:25:58 <hotdp> sash_ where you from?
Apr 03 08:26:04 <sash_> Germany
Apr 03 08:26:08 <hotdp> Gut
Apr 03 08:26:11 <sash_> Hehe
Apr 03 08:26:24 <hotdp> Es ist normal
Apr 03 08:26:32 <sash_> Tatsächlich?
Apr 03 08:26:42 <sash_> Naja, so lang es nur beim Laden ist.
Apr 03 08:26:48 <hotdp> :)
Apr 03 08:26:51 <hotdp> kein problem
Apr 03 08:27:10 <sash_> "It's normal" hätten wir aber auch noch hinbekommen, oder? :)
Apr 03 08:27:40 <hotdp> hehe
Apr 03 08:27:53 <sash_> Dann bin ich ja beruhigt. Ich schick ungern Sachen nochmal weg, auf die ich mich so gefreut hab :)
Apr 03 08:27:57 <hotdp> vielleicht
Apr 03 08:28:35 <hotdp> Aber keine Sorge
Apr 03 08:42:24 <dohtem> Thomaschaaf: you there?
Apr 03 08:42:33 <Thomaschaaf> back
Apr 03 08:42:43 <Thomaschaaf> whats up? dohtem
Apr 03 08:43:40 <dohtem> do you send out emails just once daily?
Apr 03 08:43:46 <dohtem> for reviews by mail?
Apr 03 08:43:49 <Thomaschaaf> only if there are new reviews
Apr 03 08:44:03 <Thomaschaaf> I thought it would be silly if there were no new reviews to send a mailk
Apr 03 08:44:30 <Thomaschaaf> and since I don't have the version specific download numbers or the real number it does not make sense
Apr 03 08:44:50 <dohtem> ah
Apr 03 08:45:06 <dohtem> makes sense
Apr 03 08:45:06 <Thomaschaaf> I might add a graph one day which will show the numbers in a better form
Apr 03 08:45:20 <dohtem> so far, I like the service
Apr 03 08:45:44 <dohtem> nice to get pinged when a new review comes in
Apr 03 08:45:57 <Thomaschaaf> did you et the
Apr 03 08:46:07 <Thomaschaaf> also when a review changes
Apr 03 08:46:15 <Thomaschaaf> did you get the april fools ail .D
Apr 03 08:47:13 <dohtem> yeah, got that :)
Apr 03 08:47:41 <Thomaschaaf> so many email because of it :D
Apr 03 08:51:53 <sash_> Ah, it's updating :)
Apr 03 09:00:05 <sash_> Is there an application that can show me my 3G Datavolume?
Apr 03 09:00:31 <sash_> My usage, i mean.
Apr 03 09:10:36 <sash_> \o/ Worked.
Apr 03 09:56:57 <sash_> Hmm... Google-Calendar doesn't work. Seems to be a bug.
Apr 03 10:07:37 <sandrstar> Is there any restrictions on calling Mojo.Controller.stageController.swapScene() ? I'm calling it on first scene, but both scenes remains
Apr 03 10:08:59 <sandrstar> or may be smth blocks scene pop?
Apr 03 10:24:39 <sash_> Oh, isn't it possible to start a shell directly on the pre+?
Apr 03 11:06:28 <jats> hey...am developing a hello world app. in palm sdk...where i need store info. into three textboxes and to display them after pressing button save
Apr 03 11:07:22 <jats> i am done with three text boxes...now how to save the info?
Apr 03 11:09:43 <jats> anyone knows how to do it>???
Apr 03 11:09:47 <hotdp> yer
Apr 03 11:09:55 <hotdp> save it for use another time?
Apr 03 11:10:16 <jats> no for that time only
Apr 03 11:10:40 <hotdp> but you would like to store it?
Apr 03 11:10:48 <jats> yes..
Apr 03 11:10:59 <hotdp> use cookies
Apr 03 11:10:59 <hotdp> http://webos101.com/Mojo.Cookie
Apr 03 11:11:05 <jats> n after storing i have to display it in a tabular manner
Apr 03 11:11:06 <hotdp> if its not much data
Apr 03 11:11:59 <jats> k...please tell where i have to write this code of cookie...
Apr 03 11:13:23 <jats> in assistant setup function?
Apr 03 11:15:15 <jats> like i want that these info should be saved once i press save button...
Apr 03 11:26:15 <sandrstar> add listener to the button and write saving code in there
Apr 03 11:35:57 <hotdp> yer
Apr 03 13:02:15 <KevinJB88> Hi all, just got the 3.0 SDK and created the enyo_tutorial app. Just trying to load this onto my Pre2. However it hangs at the loading screen. Anyone seen this before?
Apr 03 13:03:31 <sandrstar> not sure if Pre2 has 3.0 installed. Also, not sure if it could be discussed because of NDA...
Apr 03 13:03:50 <KevinJB88> No prob :)
Apr 03 13:03:52 <KevinJB88> :x
Apr 03 13:06:38 <sandrstar> Seems there's no public devices with 3.0 available. So, pretty good chances that no apps created under 3.0 using enyo will run on Pre2 (at least because new framework should be presented on the device to run application)
Apr 03 13:10:35 <KevinJB88> Thanks for your advice sandrstar :)
Apr 03 14:24:37 <krorpe> So I'm looking to allow my app to use multiple cards, can anyone tell me if the facebook example from NYC Dev day is the best/standard way to do it?
Apr 03 18:31:44 <Thomaschaaf> Hail!
Apr 03 18:31:58 <Thomaschaaf> hmm that sounded different in english :/
Apr 03 18:31:59 <Thomaschaaf> fuck
Apr 03 18:32:11 <Thomaschaaf> not german pronounciation
Apr 03 18:32:12 <Thomaschaaf> :D
Apr 03 18:32:38 <Thomaschaaf> Salut!
Apr 03 18:34:06 <userbound> Does anyone know how long it takes for apps to show up in searches/the feeds after you've submitted them through HP Dev Center... My beta app has a link already ( https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.userbound.randomization ) but its not showing up in app catalog searches etc
Apr 03 18:34:23 <Thomaschaaf> ~6 hours
Apr 03 18:34:42 <userbound> I submitted it mid-day yesterday
Apr 03 18:35:03 <userbound> Maybe it's just my phone
Apr 03 18:35:09 <Thomaschaaf> wait
Apr 03 18:37:06 <Thomaschaaf> should be available maybe you turned off rss feed?
Apr 03 18:37:52 <userbound> Can you see it on your phone?
Apr 03 18:38:13 <Thomaschaaf> userbound: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-04-03_2033.png
Apr 03 18:38:47 <Thomaschaaf> since the website is available it should be downloadable
Apr 03 18:39:27 <userbound> It's in the beta feed... will the typical person not be able to see it
Apr 03 18:39:36 <Thomaschaaf> no
Apr 03 18:39:52 <Thomaschaaf> userbound: beta apps will only be available in AppScoop or others
Apr 03 18:40:02 <Thomaschaaf> like "More Apps!"
Apr 03 18:40:17 <Thomaschaaf> there are many app catalogs for beta&webdistributed apps
Apr 03 18:41:07 <userbound> Ah I see. I guess I'll just have to polish it off and get it out of beta so i can get it infront of more people
Apr 03 18:41:52 <Thomaschaaf> userbound it looks better then 95% of the apps. Just distribute it now :P
Apr 03 18:42:16 <userbound> Thomaschaaf: Haha I'd love to but back gesture is fucked on it atm
Apr 03 18:43:30 <userbound> Thomaschaaf: I used to use pushScene to switch from tab to tab, but when I do, the viewmenu doesnt udate when using the back gesture
Apr 03 18:43:38 <userbound> Thomaschaaf: Really strange behavior
Apr 03 18:44:26 <Thomaschaaf> Can you describe it better what the problem is?
Apr 03 18:44:49 <userbound> I'll send you the ipk with the version i'm working with
Apr 03 18:49:06 <userbound> http://userbound.com/com.userbound.randomization_0.8.0_all.ipk
Apr 03 18:49:25 <userbound> I can't get the back gesture to update my viewMenu up at the top
Apr 03 18:49:39 <userbound> It's always delayed by one
Apr 03 18:50:28 <Thomaschaaf> one?
Apr 03 18:50:31 <Thomaschaaf> one what?
Apr 03 18:50:51 <Thomaschaaf> *booting the emulator*
Apr 03 18:51:52 <userbound> Click the tabs up top a bunch of times
Apr 03 18:51:57 <userbound> then do back gesture and youll see
Apr 03 18:52:38 <Thomaschaaf> stupid sdk 3.0 sucks balls I can't install apps anymore
Apr 03 18:52:59 <userbound> Haha yeah, i boot 2.0 to test
Apr 03 18:53:07 <userbound> 3.0 is so unplosihed on the pre2 screen size too
Apr 03 18:53:23 <NuttyBunny> It's a pre-alpha :P
Apr 03 18:53:24 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Apr 03 18:53:35 <Thomaschaaf> it seems to have fucked up my novacom driver
Apr 03 18:53:46 <Thomaschaaf> so I can't install anything on the emulator :( not even 2.1
Apr 03 18:54:05 <userbound> :/ Just pop that link onto your phone to install
Apr 03 18:54:40 <NuttyBunny> mmm... why did you update your novacom driver?
Apr 03 18:54:44 <Thomaschaaf> don't have my phone by me
Apr 03 18:54:45 <NuttyBunny> they're separate packages
Apr 03 18:54:59 <Thomaschaaf> I  don't know what is wrong all I know is that it's not working :/
Apr 03 18:55:15 <Thomaschaaf> but now in the mood to find out why :(
Apr 03 18:55:28 <Thomaschaaf> userbound what are you using to update the menu?
Apr 03 18:55:31 <Thomaschaaf> is it all one stage?
Apr 03 18:55:35 <Thomaschaaf> how is the app organized?
Apr 03 18:55:55 <userbound> It's seperate stages, each stage is pushed when a tab on the viewmenu is pressed
Apr 03 18:56:47 <Thomaschaaf> where are you initializing the viewmenu?
Apr 03 18:57:09 <Thomaschaaf> are you switching the stages?
Apr 03 18:57:18 <Thomaschaaf> or puhsing them on top of each other?
Apr 03 18:58:01 <userbound> the model is in the stage assistant and the initalization is in each stage
Apr 03 18:58:11 <userbound> so i push each stage on top of eachother
Apr 03 18:58:21 <Thomaschaaf> why not swtich them?
Apr 03 18:58:59 <Thomaschaaf> else it will need x more ram which at somepoint could lead to problems
Apr 03 18:59:13 <Thomaschaaf> I usually leave apps open a couple days
Apr 03 18:59:44 <Thomaschaaf> if every day I do 4 changes that would result in 28 pushed stages
Apr 03 18:59:50 <Thomaschaaf> and not just the one that is needed
Apr 03 19:00:18 <userbound> hmm, so i'll use swapscene
Apr 03 19:00:20 <userbound> didnt know that
Apr 03 19:00:38 <Thomaschaaf> also why should the backgesture have a function?
Apr 03 19:01:01 <Thomaschaaf> here I don't really think it makes sense
Apr 03 19:01:24 <userbound> Not sure, I thought it made sense that if you hit the back gesture it would go to the last tab you were at
Apr 03 19:01:29 <userbound> but yeah your probably right
Apr 03 19:02:45 <Thomaschaaf> userbound you could overwrite the swipe right and left function
Apr 03 19:05:53 <userbound> Thomaschaaf: Hmm I think I'll prob relase w/o gestures as they dont have much function/purpose....
Apr 03 19:06:13 <Thomaschaaf> userbound :) glad I could help you :D
Apr 03 19:06:24 <userbound> Thomaschaaf: Thanks :)
Apr 03 19:13:28 <userbound> Does HP/Palm review app catalog submissions on Sundays?
Apr 03 19:13:44 <sugardave> generally, no
Apr 03 19:14:14 <Thomaschaaf> userbound app reviews currently take ~3 days
Apr 03 19:14:41 <userbound> Ah i See ok.
Apr 03 19:15:02 <Thomaschaaf> so wednesday or with a LOT of luck tuesday
Apr 03 19:15:55 <userbound> Sounds fine to me
Apr 03 19:17:40 <userbound> That'll give me time to buff up my site anyway
Apr 03 19:18:05 <Thomaschaaf> not many apps but still long review time
Apr 03 19:18:55 <userbound> yeah, hopefully we will have many more apps soon
Apr 03 19:19:05 <Thomaschaaf> who thought that was a good idea: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-04-03_2113.png?
Apr 03 19:19:07 <userbound> and less reivew time XD
Apr 03 19:19:21 <Thomaschaaf> forgot they sell printers now..
Apr 03 19:19:26 <Thomaschaaf> sort of makes sense :D
Apr 03 19:25:02 <STiK> Does webos connect to windows live yet?
Apr 03 19:25:10 <Thomaschaaf> no
Apr 03 19:25:42 <Thomaschaaf> I love how every phone maker is saying they do "flash" and in the end I have never used it on my phone..
Apr 03 19:25:48 <Thomaschaaf> and I do have flash
Apr 03 19:26:10 <Thomaschaaf> lots of wasted development time in my eyes from palm
Apr 03 19:26:15 <STiK> :| thnx
Apr 03 19:26:54 <Thomaschaaf> STiK: sorry not my fault :)
Apr 03 19:40:43 <STiK> Yeah I know... I have been thinking of coming back to webos once the Pre 3 is out.. Was just curious if they had added that in yet.
Apr 03 19:43:39 <Thomaschaaf> STiK well that will take a while until Pre 3 is out
Apr 03 20:08:24 * halfhalo yawns
Apr 03 20:45:49 <Thomaschaaf> #design
Apr 03 20:47:44 <SimpsonTP> any1 has some experience with Openstreetmap of google maps shown inside a scene ?
Apr 03 21:55:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> afternoon all
Apr 03 21:56:05 <Thomaschaaf> hello
Apr 03 21:56:11 <Thomaschaaf> can you get me rollin :)
Apr 03 21:56:19 <Thomaschaaf> *want to support us app cat*
Apr 03 22:04:33 * SimpsonTP is trying to get googlemaps or OpenLayers to work in his app
Apr 03 22:06:02 * PatrickC_Pre2 wants to finish his navigation program but cant
Apr 03 22:07:19 <Thomaschaaf> the limits set by webos are way to low.. they should not have done flash garbage imho..
Apr 03 22:07:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> why?
Apr 03 22:08:02 <Thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2 when is the last time you used flash on your little device..
Apr 03 22:08:09 <Thomaschaaf> I even uninstalled flash on my desktop
Apr 03 22:08:14 <Thomaschaaf> no need for it anymore
Apr 03 22:08:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I use flash all the time
Apr 03 22:08:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> for online games and such
Apr 03 22:08:50 <Thomaschaaf> I don't play games :/ and if I do SCII
Apr 03 22:09:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> SCII?
Apr 03 22:09:12 <Thomaschaaf> Starcraft the game of all games!
Apr 03 22:09:35 <Thomaschaaf> started playing it in 98 or when it came out and am in love since then
Apr 03 22:09:40 <Thomaschaaf> such a great game
Apr 03 22:10:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't played it
Apr 03 22:10:50 <Thomaschaaf> not even SC the original?!
Apr 03 22:11:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't believe so
Apr 03 22:12:44 * halfhalo votes ban until SC has been played
Apr 03 22:13:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> what systems is it available for?
Apr 03 22:13:27 <Thomaschaaf> mac, windows
Apr 03 22:13:37 <Thomaschaaf> also runs in wine on linux though
Apr 03 22:13:41 <Thomaschaaf> so *
Apr 03 22:14:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> free?
Apr 03 22:15:27 <SineOt> it's like 2$ now :p
Apr 03 22:16:03 <halfhalo> last time I bought it was like 2 years ago from wallmart for like 5
Apr 03 22:16:06 <Thomaschaaf> well SCII is what he probably likes more
Apr 03 22:16:22 <SineOt> not with the shitbox he calls a computer :p
Apr 03 22:16:26 <halfhalo> but then again, I also got like 1000000 copies of battlefield 2 for 20 at the same time
Apr 03 22:16:27 <SineOt> SCII would melt it
Apr 03 22:19:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, technically my mom/dad has to agree to allow me to play :=
Apr 03 22:19:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/:=/:p/
Apr 03 22:19:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> as I'm under 18....
Apr 03 22:19:25 <Thomaschaaf> why would they have to?
Apr 03 22:19:26 <SineOt> SC is like… what, T?
Apr 03 22:19:38 <PatrickC_Pre2>  I accept the Terms of Use applicable to my country of residence and if under 18 years old, agree and acknowledge that my parent or guardian has also reviewed and accepted the Terms of Use on my behalf.*
Apr 03 22:19:45 <Thomaschaaf> I am just glad my parents told me to do the fuck I want when I was 9
Apr 03 22:19:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 03 22:20:01 <Thomaschaaf> just told me to keep the keyboard clean
Apr 03 23:38:06 <dawm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-LKa1Y9_ok
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Apr 04 15:15:00 <projectalarum> sorry, developer.palm.com
Apr 04 15:15:03 <sugardave> I assume he means the developer portal and an app update, but I don't have one to submit, so not sure if there is a problem :)
Apr 04 15:15:03 <projectalarum> dev portal
Apr 04 15:15:50 <hotdp> what is the problem?
Apr 04 15:19:17 <projectalarum> If i open it in Chrome, I can at least click into the app, however, the update button doesn't exist, if i then go back and try again, i get an error page saying the technical staff is working on it.... if i try in ie, firefox or anything else, it goes straight to the previous error
Apr 04 15:20:43 <madnificent> projectalarum: I don't have an active one.  But there's one up for review.  If it's been reviewed I'll check it out :)
Apr 04 15:23:10 <ant21> Hi, sorry to interrupt you. I wonder if it's possible to have non-latin filename on webos filesystem? I upload some files to /media/internal but their names become ??
Apr 04 15:23:50 <maik> if that happens then it likely means it is not possible
Apr 04 15:24:40 <ant21> but...
Apr 04 15:27:02 <ant21> I've done some encoding tricks but no result, sigh...
Apr 04 15:29:56 <dawm_> ugh if i only had sound effects
Apr 04 15:30:10 <dawm_> and a way to use my own font in canvas
Apr 04 15:36:58 <madnificent> ant21: unix handles that
Apr 04 15:37:08 <madnificent> ant21: you can even have a bell sound character in the filesystem's filename!
Apr 04 15:37:37 <madnificent> ant21: the problem is: not everything can display such filenames, thus the naming appears as ?? as the font uses that as a deault "what the hell does this mean"
Apr 04 15:38:06 <madnificent> IIRC only Null and / aren't allowed in unix filenames
Apr 04 15:57:17 <ant21> madnificent: I think the problem is not decoding correctly when display the name in cosole. Say I have a file which name is encoded in "gbk", when uploaded it to /media/internal webos think it's name encoded in "utf8" (maybe by default), then try to decode it using "utf8" encoding. As a result, We get ?? mess code.
Apr 04 16:07:18 <ant21> madnificent: and in nodejs, we can specify file encoding when read in file. but can't specify filename encoding when using fs.readdir(), there is no encoding option
Apr 04 16:08:29 <Simpson_2> any1 around with experience in adding openlayers to webos apps ?
Apr 04 16:09:59 <ant21> not me
Apr 04 16:16:28 <maik> ant21: so the encoding problem you're running into is in the console?
Apr 04 16:18:08 <ant21> maik: currently i'm under console. windows box with putty and winscp.
Apr 04 16:19:19 <maik> i think if the console is having a problem then it's something to do with encoding done by the kernel, and i don't know that there's much you can do to fix it
Apr 04 16:19:44 <maik> i am by no means a linux or webOS expert, #webos-internals may be able to shed some light on it for you though
Apr 04 16:23:18 <ant21> maik: you're so kind :-)
Apr 04 16:23:40 <maik> well thank you
Apr 04 16:38:04 <NuttyBunny> ant21: ping?
Apr 04 16:42:00 <NuttyBunny> ant21: I just wanted to mention that /media/internal is a FAT32 filesystem, so, all the filesystem's limitations apply.  /media/cryptofs, on the other hand, is a unix filesystem
Apr 04 17:04:58 <infiniteloop_> anyway to speedup app review ? I have been waiting for 5 days for my first app to be reviewed. I have emailed pdc also
Apr 04 17:05:12 <infiniteloop_> so far no response
Apr 04 17:07:20 <chuqui> infiniteloop_:  app review doesn't work weekends. they're allowed to have a life.
Apr 04 17:08:01 <infiniteloop_> chuqui: I keep forgetting the time difference , will wait
Apr 04 17:08:51 <dawm_> nice, it just keeps getting worse
Apr 04 17:09:06 <dawm_> kroger, tivo and now bestbuy got hacked and emails/names were leaked
Apr 04 17:09:27 <dawm_> apparently all used the same company to send out emails
Apr 04 17:11:39 <cwayne> infiniteloop_: patience, its taken me like 2 weeks to get a review before
Apr 04 17:12:29 <infiniteloop_> cwayne: thanks. I think I have enough going on to stop obsessing about the app :)
Apr 04 17:12:48 <hotdp> chuqui: may i PM you?
Apr 04 17:14:00 <projectalarum> Anyone else having any problems with submitting updates to the portal right now?
Apr 04 17:19:29 <chuqui> hotdp:  yup
Apr 04 17:20:55 <dawm_> lol
Apr 04 17:20:56 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw
Apr 04 17:26:52 <dawm_> i hate flash music streams that dont let you adjust volume
Apr 04 17:33:23 <cwayne> anyone else having trouble reviewing apps in the catalog?
Apr 04 17:40:12 <ant21> NuttyBunny: thank you. I washed clothes just now.
Apr 04 17:46:01 <NuttyBunny> ant21: np :)
Apr 04 18:06:07 <oilsworkn> hello #webos
Apr 04 18:06:35 <cwayne> yo
Apr 04 18:07:23 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AB3caO7Acc&vintage=1911
Apr 04 18:09:01 <oilsworkn> wow
Apr 04 18:10:06 <oilsworkn> someones got way too much time on their hands
Apr 04 18:12:55 <madnificent> yay, lisp-addict is almost ready to release, it seems :)
Apr 04 18:15:03 <dawm_> omg
Apr 04 18:15:03 <dawm_> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200616_10150140022348187_49800458186_6521637_8038352_n.jpg
Apr 04 18:15:08 <dawm_> apparently that just happened
Apr 04 18:15:23 <oilsworkn> what is that?
Apr 04 18:15:28 <dawm_> 100+mph in a 30mph zone
Apr 04 18:15:33 <dawm_> its whats left of a dodge caliber
Apr 04 18:15:39 <oilsworkn> dang
Apr 04 18:16:02 <dawm_> thats less than 1/3rd of the car
Apr 04 18:16:52 <infiniteloop_> dawm_: where did it happen ? news link ?
Apr 04 18:16:56 <dawm_> http://www.wkow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14379468
Apr 04 18:16:58 <dawm_> madison, wi
Apr 04 18:17:57 <oilsworkn> lol, that website is like 90% ads
Apr 04 18:18:01 <oilsworkn> 1 little paragraph
Apr 04 18:18:24 <dawm_> hah
Apr 04 18:18:27 <dawm_> i see no ads :P
Apr 04 18:18:51 <oilsworkn> so the website is so crazy because of you
Apr 04 18:18:59 <infiniteloop_> sad, why they can't stop the car without having to chase it down residential area bothers me
Apr 04 18:19:00 <oilsworkn> "our ad revenue is droping"
Apr 04 18:19:04 <oilsworkn> "LETS PUT MORE ADS THEN!"
Apr 04 18:19:21 <dawm_> infiniteloop_, that area has tons of stops too
Apr 04 18:19:26 <dawm_> the blocks are short (longways)
Apr 04 18:19:29 <infiniteloop_> ah
Apr 04 18:19:42 <dawm_> i used to live there awhile back.. hated that road cause of all the stops
Apr 04 18:20:09 <infiniteloop_> won't happen in jersey city, probably he'll end up crashing into some unruly driver
Apr 04 18:30:42 <phoque> oh noes, all devices sent to Germany were meant for somebody else
Apr 04 18:30:45 <phoque> :-)
Apr 04 18:31:42 <madnificent> phoque: ?
Apr 04 18:32:05 <phoque> I mean the Pre2 for developers programme
Apr 04 18:32:45 <Lichtlos> phoque: got one :)
Apr 04 18:33:02 <phoque> oh
Apr 04 18:33:05 <phoque> you were the one in Kassel
Apr 04 18:33:06 <Lichtlos> it took forever, though :(
Apr 04 18:34:46 * madnificent hasn't gotten a confirmation that they sent one out.  It's Belgium though, so it might be something different still.
Apr 04 18:37:08 * oilsworkn hasn't gotten anything :(
Apr 04 18:38:33 <dohtem> blame yourself!
Apr 04 18:38:46 * oilsworkn blames halfhalo
Apr 04 18:39:02 <halfhalo> yup
Apr 04 18:39:05 <halfhalo> whatnow?
Apr 04 18:39:14 <oilsworkn> yep
Apr 04 18:40:53 <PatrickC_Pre1> tibfib: ping!
Apr 04 18:41:49 <cwayne> such an excited ping
Apr 04 18:42:18 <PatrickC_Pre1> well, koto isn't working...
Apr 04 18:42:46 <PatrickC_Pre1> giving me a false error
Apr 04 18:43:39 <hotdp> halfhalo how was the trip to la?
Apr 04 18:43:48 <cwayne> youre a false error.  doesnt feel very good does it
Apr 04 18:44:24 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 04 18:46:20 * dohtem is loving the new developer portal
Apr 04 18:46:36 * PatrickC_Pre1 thinks its pretty nice
Apr 04 18:46:52 * cwayne doesn't like change
Apr 04 18:46:55 <halfhalo> LA was fine, I live close to it anywho, just had to deal with traffic
Apr 04 18:47:20 <PatrickC_Pre1> http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/koto_2011-23-03_112144.png
Apr 04 18:47:25 <PatrickC_Pre1> ^^ koto error
Apr 04 18:47:36 <dohtem> halfhalo: lemme guess, the 405?
Apr 04 18:48:03 <halfhalo> yup
Apr 04 18:48:18 <halfhalo> 118 to 405 (took sepulveda the way back)
Apr 04 18:48:27 <dohtem> I spent a week in LA a while back and everyday I was stuck on that damn freeway
Apr 04 18:48:45 <halfhalo> heh
Apr 04 18:48:48 <oilsworkn> oh noes, api_keys is not defined!
Apr 04 18:49:10 <halfhalo> It usually only takes me about 45 minutes to get to where I need to go in LA
Apr 04 18:49:44 <PatrickC_Pre1> it worked the first time I launched it...
Apr 04 18:49:57 <PatrickC_Pre1> then I closed it, re-opened it, now no work
Apr 04 18:50:12 <PatrickC_Pre1> and I only have close to 900 songs in it.... :)
Apr 04 18:50:29 <oilsworkn> demand a refund
Apr 04 18:50:42 <PatrickC_Pre1> I compiled it :p
Apr 04 18:50:55 <PatrickC_Pre1> github FTW!
Apr 04 18:50:59 <oilsworkn> well thats why it doesnt work
Apr 04 18:51:06 <PatrickC_Pre1> and I'm working on adding 2 features
Apr 04 18:51:06 <oilsworkn> he doesn't put his api keys in the source
Apr 04 18:51:26 <PatrickC_Pre1> then y did it work the first time?
Apr 04 18:51:35 <oilsworkn> idk
Apr 04 18:51:40 <oilsworkn> problem with his error mechanism?
Apr 04 18:51:51 <oilsworkn> i do know he doesn't include them in what he ups to github
Apr 04 18:51:53 <PatrickC_Pre1> hmm. where do I get these api keys you talk about?
Apr 04 18:52:02 <oilsworkn> idk, im not working on the app :)
Apr 04 18:52:30 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 04 18:52:59 <PatrickC_Pre1> tibfib: it would be nice to hear from you :)
Apr 04 18:53:58 * PatrickC_Pre1 thinks amazon should release documenmtation on its APIs for cloud player/storage
Apr 04 18:55:36 <funkatron> I buy one damn phone from HP
Apr 04 18:55:40 <funkatron> now I get catalogs and shit
Apr 04 18:55:46 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 04 18:56:20 * cwayne is imagining hp shipping out boxes of catalogs and actual poop
Apr 04 18:56:36 <dohtem> haha
Apr 04 18:56:43 <PatrickC_Pre1> wow... lol
Apr 04 18:56:49 <dohtem> funkatron: Dell does the same thing
Apr 04 18:57:00 <dohtem> the only time I stop getting them is when I move
Apr 04 18:57:10 <oilsworkn> at work i get like 4 copies of the dell magazines each time
Apr 04 18:57:23 <funkatron> fuckin dell
Apr 04 18:57:34 <dohtem> "you bought a canon camera that was on sale.  btw, you wanna buy a server or two?"
Apr 04 18:57:41 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 04 18:57:48 <funkatron> was it this channel where someone asked me to not swear?
Apr 04 18:57:52 <funkatron> it was a long time ago
Apr 04 18:58:12 <oilsworkn> probably
Apr 04 18:58:22 <funkatron> it's all gone to pot
Apr 04 19:00:35 <PatrickC_Pre1> bye oil
Apr 04 19:00:54 <PatrickC_Pre1> any koto contributors on here?
Apr 04 19:10:18 <phoque> oh "line undefined, file undefined", I love you too!
Apr 04 19:20:12 <PatrickC_Pre1> hehe
Apr 04 19:32:37 * Simpson_2 is just going to repeat the Q, is there anyone with experience with openlayers
Apr 04 19:34:33 <PatrickC_Pre1> I don't, sorry
Apr 04 19:34:50 <dawm_> ugh.. spending $20 on tiny wav files just doesnt seem right
Apr 04 19:35:25 <PatrickC_Pre1> no, it doesnt
Apr 04 19:35:30 <PatrickC_Pre1> can you play them?
Apr 04 19:36:15 <sugardave> $20?  wth?
Apr 04 19:36:21 <PatrickC_Pre1> what sounds?
Apr 04 19:42:13 <dawm_> well its $10 of sounds but i have to deposit $20 into the account otherwise its an extra $2 per sound which is stupid
Apr 04 19:43:07 <PatrickC_Pre1> what sounds?
Apr 04 19:43:22 <dawm_> beeps and boops
Apr 04 19:43:54 * PatrickC_Pre1 will look in a second
Apr 04 19:45:11 <PatrickC_Pre1> pm me Ur email :)
Apr 04 19:45:26 <dawm_> you have my email
Apr 04 19:45:46 <PatrickC_Pre1> oh yea.. lol
Apr 04 19:46:38 <PatrickC_Pre1> minefield locked up, 1 second
Apr 04 19:47:34 <PatrickC_Pre1> josh.sxxxx
Apr 04 19:47:39 <PatrickC_Pre1> correct?
Apr 04 19:47:41 <dawm_> yeh
Apr 04 19:48:09 <PatrickC_Pre1> check inbox in about 30 seconds
Apr 04 19:48:14 <PatrickC_Pre1> a .zip file is attached
Apr 04 19:50:29 <PatrickC_Pre1> get it?
Apr 04 19:50:29 <dawm_> yeh, not exactly what im looking for tho
Apr 04 19:50:30 <PatrickC_Pre1> I didn't check the files, just found it.. and sent it
Apr 04 19:50:37 <PatrickC_Pre1> http://www.royaltyfreemusic.com/sound-effects-series.html
Apr 04 19:53:44 <dawm_> yeah their flash samples w/ overlay audio, cant steal em
Apr 04 19:53:56 <PatrickC_Pre1> :/
Apr 04 20:01:10 <PatrickC_Pre1> tibfib: ping!
Apr 04 20:02:30 <oil> josh.sxxxx eh?
Apr 04 20:02:53 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 04 20:07:23 <PatrickC_Pre1> lighting strikes right over house == cool view :)
Apr 04 20:43:53 * PatrickC_Pre1 just contacted Hulu
Apr 04 20:44:26 <cwayne> bout what
Apr 04 20:44:40 <PatrickC_Pre1> giving me API's for building a webos app
Apr 04 20:45:07 <PatrickC_Pre1> or them building one.. I made it clear in the beginning of the email "I am not a HP/Palm employee asking for this..."
Apr 04 20:45:20 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre1: pong
Apr 04 20:45:43 <PatrickC_Pre1> where do I get api keys??
Apr 04 20:45:55 <PatrickC_Pre1> koto is yelling at me that it doesn't find them
Apr 04 20:46:43 <PatrickC_Pre1> http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/koto_2011-23-03_112144.png
Apr 04 20:46:47 <PatrickC_Pre1> ^^ is the error
Apr 04 20:46:55 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre1: read the github
Apr 04 20:47:02 <PatrickC_Pre1> will do
Apr 04 20:49:32 <Tibfib> lol. no one reads anything.
Apr 04 20:49:52 <PatrickC_Pre1> are they *needed* if I don't want to use those services?
Apr 04 20:49:58 * halfhalo certainly doesn't
Apr 04 20:49:59 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre1: no
Apr 04 20:50:13 <PatrickC_Pre1> how do I bypass the check then?
Apr 04 20:50:19 <Tibfib> just a sec
Apr 04 20:50:25 <avarus> hi
Apr 04 20:50:30 <Tibfib> I should have pushed an update that will let the app launch without api keys
Apr 04 20:50:47 * Tibfib just got a complaint about how koto only plays the same songs over and over
Apr 04 20:50:54 <sugardave> hahaha
Apr 04 20:50:56 <Tibfib> .. he had the lite version. which limits 10 songs
Apr 04 20:51:04 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 04 20:51:13 <sugardave> who do I send a complaint to about users being stupid?
Apr 04 20:51:42 <PatrickC_Pre1> he didn't read lol
Apr 04 20:51:45 <Tibfib> I should put in a banner notification the first time songs aren't truncated
Apr 04 20:51:49 <Tibfib> are*
Apr 04 20:53:08 <PatrickC_Pre1> sugardave@complaintsdepartment.com
Apr 04 20:54:45 <cwayne> sugardave: send em to /dev/null
Apr 04 20:55:07 * sugardave wishes he could send users there.
Apr 04 20:55:08 <Tibfib> PROTIP to devs. A twitter search on your app title and responding to complaints with kindness does WONDERS
Apr 04 20:55:19 <halfhalo> bah
Apr 04 20:55:25 <sugardave> f kindness
Apr 04 20:55:26 <sugardave> :P
Apr 04 20:55:30 <Tibfib> :)
Apr 04 20:56:14 <Tibfib> like this guy I just tweeted. I asked what features he would like to see since he didn't see it to be very advanced or something
Apr 04 20:56:24 <Tibfib> turned out he just wasn't understanding it correctly
Apr 04 20:57:10 <PatrickC_Pre1> everyone has a twitter (except me :'( )
Apr 04 20:57:10 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 04 20:57:50 <dohtem> Tibfib: you should have replied with 'rtfm'
Apr 04 20:57:54 <dohtem> :) j/k
Apr 04 20:58:00 <Tibfib> if you have an app with a decent userbase and you aren't on twitter to help users, you should fix that
Apr 04 20:58:04 <cwayne> lol nobody tweets about my app.
Apr 04 20:58:07 <Tibfib> dohtem: :)
Apr 04 20:58:37 * Tibfib felt like saying that to PatrickC_Pre1 when he asked about api keys :)
Apr 04 20:59:12 <cwayne> luls
Apr 04 20:59:31 <Tibfib> oh noes!
Apr 04 20:59:50 <cwayne> THE INTERNETS IS FALLING
Apr 04 20:59:59 <halfhalo> weee!
Apr 04 21:00:17 <dohtem> we are saved from the wrath of the gods
Apr 04 21:00:48 * Tibfib fist pumps
Apr 04 21:01:07 * dohtem tans
Apr 04 21:01:20 <Tibfib> oh, patrick is gone
Apr 04 21:01:29 <Tibfib> that api_keys error shouldn't show up
Apr 04 21:01:35 * Tibfib tests
Apr 04 21:01:36 <sugardave> hahaha
Apr 04 21:01:51 <Tibfib> he might have old source
Apr 04 21:01:53 <halfhalo> no one tell him
Apr 04 21:02:03 <sugardave> the power of Christ compels him to be an idiot
Apr 04 21:02:18 <dohtem> meh, be easy... he's a young'n
Apr 04 21:02:27 <dohtem> welcome back friends
Apr 04 21:02:32 <Tibfib> so I went to a "Junior Days" at ksu today.
Apr 04 21:02:39 <Tibfib> not going to kstate.
Apr 04 21:02:49 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre1: do you  have the latest source?
Apr 04 21:02:53 <sugardave> dohtem: I know, that's why I made sure he wasn't here
Apr 04 21:03:54 <sugardave> Tibfib: what's wrong with KSU?
Apr 04 21:04:07 <Tibfib> I don't think they have a great computer science program
Apr 04 21:04:08 <sugardave> besides, you know, being in Kansas? :P
Apr 04 21:04:11 <Tibfib> :)
Apr 04 21:04:14 <dohtem> haha
Apr 04 21:04:26 <dohtem> you can join their local 4H
Apr 04 21:04:32 <sugardave> hahahaha
Apr 04 21:04:38 <Tibfib> just not the level of a school I want to go to :)
Apr 04 21:04:41 <cwayne> go to NEU
Apr 04 21:05:35 <Tibfib> If I don't get enough financial aide/scholarships for some nicer schools, I may go
Apr 04 21:06:03 * cwayne assumed Tibfib was older
Apr 04 21:06:04 <Tibfib> s/aide/aid/
Apr 04 21:06:30 <dohtem> you can always drown in student debt... help the economy!
Apr 04 21:06:31 <Tibfib> sugardave: good luck!
Apr 04 21:06:35 <Tibfib> heheh
Apr 04 21:06:44 <sugardave> Tibfib: thanks
Apr 04 21:06:52 <sugardave> got a call around 5:00 Central
Apr 04 21:07:45 <cwayne> Tibfib: which nicer schools?
Apr 04 21:08:03 <Tibfib> I'm hoping to go to U of Illinois at urbana
Apr 04 21:10:05 <PatrickC_Pre1> tibfib: a few days old
Apr 04 21:10:36 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre1: check line 124 of app/helpers/music-helper.js
Apr 04 21:10:38 <Tibfib> tell me what it says
Apr 04 21:10:52 <PatrickC_Pre1> ok
Apr 04 21:11:17 <sugardave> I got an email out of the blue asking if I would put some advertising on one of my sites that I haven't touched in about 2 years
Apr 04 21:11:28 <Tibfib> nice
Apr 04 21:11:38 <sugardave> I have NO experience with that at all, no idea how much to ask for, etc.
Apr 04 21:12:04 <PatrickC_Pre1> music-helper.js?
Apr 04 21:12:38 <PatrickC_Pre1> or music-player.js?
Apr 04 21:12:45 <Tibfib> latter
Apr 04 21:12:53 <Tibfib> the one that exists.
Apr 04 21:13:01 <sugardave> haha
Apr 04 21:13:15 * halfhalo loves his laptops battery life
Apr 04 21:13:21 <PatrickC_Pre1> I didn't know if you added a new file :p
Apr 04 21:13:26 <Tibfib> heh, sorry :)
Apr 04 21:13:46 <Tibfib> hmm, does that count as a 6ple post?
Apr 04 21:13:53 <nyceane> hey, is anybody else receiving subpoenas other than Pandora?
Apr 04 21:14:01 <cwayne> tmandry not so good at deciding
Apr 04 21:14:02 <cwayne> wat
Apr 04 21:14:09 * sugardave hasn't gotten a subpoena.
Apr 04 21:14:11 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre1: there should be if(api_keys)
Apr 04 21:14:14 <sugardave> I don't think I want one
Apr 04 21:15:48 <PatrickC_Pre1> http://pastebin.com/HbfMfDN
Apr 04 21:15:52 <PatrickC_Pre1> ^^ that it?
Apr 04 21:16:03 <Tibfib> bad paste
Apr 04 21:16:39 <funkatron> UIUC has a great CS prog
Apr 04 21:16:43 <funkatron> so does Purdue!
Apr 04 21:16:56 <PatrickC_Pre1> http://pastebin.com/w484jHvg
Apr 04 21:17:15 <sugardave> UTexas used to be in the top 8 CS programs in the country
Apr 04 21:17:38 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre1: hmm, I'll run some tests so the app will let you launch without an api_keys file
Apr 04 21:17:52 <Tibfib> run tests * and fix it*
Apr 04 21:18:22 <PatrickC_Pre1> ok thx :)
Apr 04 21:18:38 <Tibfib> hmm, I may have to look more into purdue
Apr 04 21:18:56 <Tibfib> I dunno why, but UIUC really appeals to me
Apr 04 21:19:44 <PatrickC_Pre1> UF :)
Apr 04 21:20:04 <dohtem> Tibfib: are you planning to attend in the fall?
Apr 04 21:20:17 <Tibfib> not this fall
Apr 04 21:20:23 <Tibfib> if that's what you mean
Apr 04 21:20:31 <Tibfib> I'm a junior
Apr 04 21:20:34 <dohtem> ah
Apr 04 21:20:37 <nyceane> ?
Apr 04 21:20:51 <Tibfib> dohtem: I know deadlines are past :)
Apr 04 21:20:54 <dohtem> I thought it was a bit late to be looking for colleges in the fall
Apr 04 21:21:16 <Tibfib> yeah
Apr 04 21:23:04 <Tibfib> bbiab
Apr 04 21:23:29 <dawm_> ok now i got sounds, gotta run out to grab some pizza then work on the snd engine
Apr 04 21:23:59 <sugardave> dawm_: oh man, with sounds I'm going to totally trounce your high score
Apr 04 21:24:04 <dawm_> lol
Apr 04 21:24:18 <dawm_> i hope i can loop and time them properly
Apr 04 21:24:27 * sugardave has faith.
Apr 04 21:24:28 <dawm_> oh ive got pause now, just no button for it
Apr 04 21:24:42 <sugardave> sweet, is it ESP-activated or something? :P
Apr 04 21:24:53 <dawm_> no i have to make the gfx for it ;p
Apr 04 21:25:12 <dawm_> i also redid the game area a tad
Apr 04 21:25:45 <sugardave> cool, I assume you'll be sending out betas after you get the sounds working, then?
Apr 04 21:26:46 <nyceane> hey, anybody else got targetted by the Fed for gathering user's information?
Apr 04 21:26:51 <nyceane> like Pandora Radio
Apr 04 21:26:52 <dawm_> yes
Apr 04 21:27:09 <dawm_> since ive tweaked a bunch, and added the laser animation (which is more of a hack)
Apr 04 21:27:27 <dawm_> i just hope having the sounds preloaded in memory dont cause issues
Apr 04 21:32:18 <sugardave> lamawithonel: every time I see your nick, I read it as "I am with lionel" and it always makes me think wtf?
Apr 04 21:33:19 <Tibfib> dawm_: hey, wanna send me the beta?
Apr 04 21:33:59 <Tibfib> I'd love to help out :)
Apr 04 21:36:16 <rsanchez1> is there a size restriction on /usr/lib ?
Apr 04 21:36:44 <rsanchez1> I'm trying to copy something to that directory, but it tells me: "No space left on device"
Apr 04 21:37:08 <rsanchez1> yet Device Info tells me I have 8GB left
Apr 04 21:37:51 <NuttyBunny> sure? /usr/lib is on a different partition than /media/internal, which is the one you have 8Gb left )
Apr 04 21:38:02 <NuttyBunny> you really shouldn't copy anything there
Apr 04 21:38:23 <rsanchez1> gah, how much space do I have on /usr/lib then?
Apr 04 21:38:27 <NuttyBunny> use a lib directory in your app, compile statically, or put the libs in the root folder of your app
Apr 04 21:38:28 <NuttyBunny> hold on
Apr 04 21:38:48 <NuttyBunny> on your pre: df -h
Apr 04 21:39:08 <NuttyBunny> look for the line with "/dev/mapper/store-root"
Apr 04 21:39:20 <Tibfib> haeffb: ping
Apr 04 21:40:04 <rsanchez1> 441.7M
Apr 04 21:40:30 <rsanchez1> I've been filling it up with stuff haha
Apr 04 21:40:39 <rsanchez1> 100% used
Apr 04 21:40:46 <Tibfib> :)
Apr 04 21:40:47 <NuttyBunny> the 4th column is the free space :)
Apr 04 21:40:48 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Apr 04 21:40:49 <Tibfib> then it's full
Apr 04 21:40:57 <NuttyBunny> yep, don't do that.. hehehe
Apr 04 21:42:52 <vaibhav> what's this error  : unblanced call to perftimer pause/resume scene#assistantSetup
Apr 04 21:43:01 <vaibhav> can't launch my app
Apr 04 21:46:22 <vaibhav> just upgraded from 1.4.5 to 2.1 sdk
Apr 04 21:46:41 <vaibhav> is there a switch somewhere to let my app test on it, it's pure mojo
Apr 04 21:48:19 <NuttyBunny> mmm... you shouldn't have any problems
Apr 04 21:49:29 <Tibfib> yeah, weird error
Apr 04 21:56:07 * Tibfib really wants a touchpad
Apr 04 21:56:32 <Tibfib> I hope it comes out before june
Apr 04 21:57:09 <NuttyBunny> Didn't I read september?
Apr 04 21:57:13 <NuttyBunny> Ah, no, that's the Pre 3
Apr 04 21:57:22 <NuttyBunny> Pre<cube>
Apr 04 21:57:34 <Tibfib> hmm, link?
Apr 04 21:57:44 <Tibfib> I don't think anything is coming out in september
Apr 04 21:57:49 <Tibfib> (announced)
Apr 04 21:58:28 * NuttyBunny searches
Apr 04 21:59:00 <NuttyBunny> smartasses... http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/04/hp-announces-touchpad-veer-pre-3-launch-delayed-until-september/
Apr 04 21:59:03 <Tibfib> that
Apr 04 21:59:08 <NuttyBunny> yeah, I just read
Apr 04 21:59:11 <NuttyBunny> grr
Apr 04 21:59:12 <Tibfib> ^ I was just about to talk about that
Apr 04 21:59:23 <Tibfib> bad april fools post. oh well
Apr 04 22:00:41 <dawm_> LOL
Apr 04 22:01:52 <dawm_> Tibfib, i can send you the first super beta beta that i sent out to a few people if you wanna test it out, and ill add you to the list for the next version
Apr 04 22:02:01 <Tibfib> sounds good!
Apr 04 22:02:11 <Tibfib> got my email?
Apr 04 22:02:18 <dawm_> i think so
Apr 04 22:02:30 <dawm_> apparently not saved :P
Apr 04 22:03:33 <Tibfib> tibfib1 at gmail
Apr 04 22:03:40 <dawm_> 1 or L
Apr 04 22:03:47 <Tibfib> 1
Apr 04 22:03:51 <dawm_> gotcha
Apr 04 22:04:01 <dawm_> oh i did have it
Apr 04 22:04:02 <dawm_> LOL
Apr 04 22:04:45 <dawm_> sent
Apr 04 22:05:19 <dawm_> as betas go it should be an alpha ;p
Apr 04 22:05:31 <Tibfib> heheh :)
Apr 04 22:05:41 <Tibfib> I can't decide what I want to work on
Apr 04 22:13:27 <PatrickC_Pre1> tibfib: how's it goin?
Apr 04 22:13:43 <Tibfib> good, and yourself?
Apr 04 22:14:03 <PatrickC_Pre1> good.. and I'm talking about the koto thing :)
Apr 04 22:14:11 <Tibfib> hmm?
Apr 04 22:14:16 <Tibfib> what are you working on?
Apr 04 22:14:21 <zsoc> i tried playing the koto once
Apr 04 22:14:43 <zsoc> holy crap it's hard
Apr 04 22:14:44 <Tibfib> zsoc: I've never seen one in person
Apr 04 22:14:54 * Tibfib had never heard of one :)
Apr 04 22:14:57 <zsoc> it's like a stringed instrument that only plays major pentetonic
Apr 04 22:15:07 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnWOhkrP1bY
Apr 04 22:15:10 <dawm_> watch that
Apr 04 22:16:02 <Tibfib> Holy crap
Apr 04 22:16:04 <PatrickC_Pre1> the api key problem lol
Apr 04 22:17:13 <dawm_> Tibfib, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk2wViKSh_M  .. sorta nws but wtf
Apr 04 22:18:02 <PatrickC_Pre1> wowwwww.....
Apr 04 22:19:11 <Tibfib> what the crap
Apr 04 22:19:23 <dkirker-pre2> holy crap what?
Apr 04 22:19:27 <dawm_> i have no idea..
Apr 04 22:19:39 <dawm_> that was posted on one of the car forums i frequent
Apr 04 22:19:44 <Tibfib> dkirker-pre2: holy crap to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnWOhkrP1bY
Apr 04 22:19:59 <Tibfib> dkirker-pre2! I have to say, I LOVE the rotation lock preference in universer
Apr 04 22:20:06 <Tibfib> and in universe!
Apr 04 22:20:29 <dkirker-pre2> haha, you'll like the changes coming next. :)
Apr 04 22:20:52 <PatrickC_Pre1> when?? :)
Apr 04 22:20:55 <Tibfib> I hate landscape mode 99% of the time
Apr 04 22:21:17 <PatrickC_Pre1> I like the hold on screen to hide buttons
Apr 04 22:21:54 <dkirker-pre2> PatrickC_Pre1: When they're done! The shortcut for showing/hiding icons will change.
Apr 04 22:22:19 <Tibfib> will it become smoother?
Apr 04 22:22:21 <PatrickC_Pre1> hmm ok.. as long as its still easy I'm happy :)
Apr 04 22:24:45 <dkirker-pre2> it will be tap and hold for context menu and meta-tap for show/hide. meta-tap is broken in 2.1 though. :(
Apr 04 22:24:56 <PatrickC_Pre1> :/
Apr 04 22:25:51 <PatrickC_Pre1> ^ on the broken part.. :) on the whole thing
Apr 04 22:36:02 <madnificent> dawm_: what the hell!
Apr 04 22:39:32 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> after i install the sdk on ubuntu, where do the files go/how do i access them?
Apr 04 22:40:16 <sugardave> check /opt/Palm
Apr 04 22:42:25 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> nuttybunny: ping
Apr 04 22:42:33 <Loudergood> yeah that's where they hang out
Apr 04 22:44:09 <Tibfib> http://thisismynextpodcast.com/2011/04/05/this-is-my-next-podcast-live-at-630pm-est/
Apr 04 22:44:24 <Tibfib> engadget folks ^
Apr 04 22:44:43 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> anyone on ubuntu 11.04>
Apr 04 22:44:53 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> s/>/?/
Apr 04 22:45:34 * NuttyBunny raises hane
Apr 04 22:45:39 <NuttyBunny> hand
Apr 04 22:45:42 <NuttyBunny> whassup
Apr 04 22:45:42 <dawm_> hanes?
Apr 04 22:45:46 <dawm_> you raise undies?
Apr 04 22:46:05 <Tibfib> ewwwwww
Apr 04 22:46:07 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> r u running vbox on 11.04?
Apr 04 22:46:22 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> ^^ to nuttybunny :)
Apr 04 22:46:23 <SineOt> oh man, touchstone feet get GNARLY
Apr 04 22:46:29 <dohtem> whoa, thanks Tibfib
Apr 04 22:46:33 * SineOt is cleaning those little gecko pads with some scotch tape
Apr 04 22:46:52 <Tibfib> dohtem: np, saw it earlier
Apr 04 22:46:52 <SineOt> PatrickC_Ubuntu: whyyyyy are you running an early alpha/beta build of ubuntu
Apr 04 22:47:04 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> why not :)
Apr 04 22:47:12 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> i like beta stuff
Apr 04 22:47:32 <SineOt> given you're asking questions, that's why! :p
Apr 04 22:47:36 * NuttyBunny only raises girls undies :P
Apr 04 22:47:37 <Loudergood> just make sure you go to ubuntu with your problems ;)
Apr 04 22:47:50 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> ok lol
Apr 04 22:48:05 * Loudergood also runs ubuntu 11.04 beta
Apr 04 22:48:10 <NuttyBunny> It's beta and it's not (that) bad
Apr 04 22:48:30 <NuttyBunny> a few quirks here and there, but to be an almost released product it's quite nice
Apr 04 22:48:52 <Loudergood> yeah, most of the software is release quality individually, it's just the package that's getting tuned
Apr 04 22:49:29 <Loudergood> of course ubuntu does like to tweak some things more than most
Apr 04 22:52:57 <SineOt> And to ship stuff that barely works!
Apr 04 22:53:06 <SineOt> 10.10 Netbook edition, I'm looking at you. >:O
Apr 04 22:53:09 <NuttyBunny> Like pulseaudio? :D
Apr 04 22:53:13 <Loudergood> usually their broken ass tweaks
Apr 04 22:53:15 <Loudergood> and that
Apr 04 22:53:29 <Loudergood> and treat kde like a bastard stepchild
Apr 04 22:53:43 <Loudergood> though apparently they've gotten around to doing the same thing to gnome
Apr 04 22:54:38 <NuttyBunny> hehehe... well, yes, Ubuntu is "gnome-based", and all the other <letter>Ubuntu distros are the bastards :S
Apr 04 22:55:13 <SineOt> Unity is nice.
Apr 04 22:55:15 <SineOt> When it works.
Apr 04 22:55:17 <SineOt> Which is rarely.
Apr 04 22:55:44 <dawm_> oooh
Apr 04 22:55:51 <dawm_> i can set volume with html5 audio? ;D
Apr 04 22:58:03 <Tibfib> dawm_: can you?
Apr 04 22:58:10 <Tibfib> or rather, is it supported?
Apr 04 22:58:13 <dawm_> not sure if its supported
Apr 04 22:58:16 <dawm_> but its a function
Apr 04 22:58:36 <Tibfib> yeah. I looked at "playbackrate" in Koto for fun and it wasn't supported
Apr 04 22:58:37 <Tibfib> haha
Apr 04 22:59:42 <dawm_> i need to modify my sound lib to allow me to loop a sound
Apr 04 22:59:55 <SineOt> I spent all this time rerouting all my desk wiring to move my Mini up onto the top of the desk… And it's annoyingly loud.
Apr 04 23:00:10 <SineOt> (And by loud I mean it's this really really low barely audible buzz of the fan but FFFF)
Apr 04 23:01:46 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> #ubuntu+1 isnt very helpful....
Apr 04 23:02:20 <cwayne> what you lookin for PatrickC_Ubuntu
Apr 04 23:02:48 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> how to install vbox on 11.04
Apr 04 23:03:03 <cwayne> lol why you on 11.04
Apr 04 23:03:33 <SineOt> cwayne: that's what I said!
Apr 04 23:03:50 <NuttyBunny> mmm... download - install?
Apr 04 23:04:03 <cwayne> PatrickC_Ubuntu: its the same way you'd do it in 11.04
Apr 04 23:04:07 <cwayne> 10.04 i mean
Apr 04 23:04:31 <NuttyBunny> gotta go, c-ya people!
Apr 04 23:04:48 <madnificent> PatrickC_Ubuntu: palm's installer pulls it in, I think
Apr 04 23:04:55 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> ok, well, when i looked on their (Vbox's) site, it had dl links for 10.10
Apr 04 23:04:59 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> and not for 11.04
Apr 04 23:05:00 * madnificent is on 10.10
Apr 04 23:05:11 * PatrickC_Ubuntu likes beta software
Apr 04 23:05:12 * halfhalo is on a real os
Apr 04 23:05:19 <madnificent> halfhalo: being?
Apr 04 23:05:24 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> lemme guess... OSX?
Apr 04 23:05:25 <halfhalo> windows 95
Apr 04 23:05:28 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> lol
Apr 04 23:05:37 <madnificent> LMAO, unexpected
Apr 04 23:05:38 <cwayne> PatrickC_Ubuntu: its the same thing
Apr 04 23:05:48 <halfhalo> my mac is awol for the moment
Apr 04 23:06:25 <dawm_> how did i miss this?
Apr 04 23:06:25 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> lol
Apr 04 23:06:25 <dawm_> http://chromercise.com/
Apr 04 23:06:32 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> thanks cwayne
Apr 04 23:06:39 * madnificent refreshes the webos submission file way too often
Apr 04 23:06:47 <madnificent> s/file/page/
Apr 04 23:07:18 <cwayne> np PatrickC_Ubuntu
Apr 04 23:12:28 <cwayne> PatrickC_Ubuntu: are you still on a vm?
Apr 04 23:13:21 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> yea, im running ubuntu in a vm
Apr 04 23:13:41 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> s/in/as/
Apr 04 23:14:20 <Popple3> s/as/on
Apr 04 23:14:58 <dawm_> so if i have var x = {'apple':'sauce'}; i can do if (x['apple'] == 'sauce')  right?
Apr 04 23:15:16 <Popple3> dawm_: Yup
Apr 04 23:15:20 <dawm_> great
Apr 04 23:15:21 <Tibfib> yeah
Apr 04 23:15:22 <cwayne> PatrickC_Ubuntu: so youre installing a vm within a vm?!
Apr 04 23:15:26 <cwayne> INCEPTION
Apr 04 23:15:29 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 04 23:15:35 <Tibfib> you can't do that
Apr 04 23:15:39 <Tibfib> afaik
Apr 04 23:15:59 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> cwayne: yep :)
Apr 04 23:16:39 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> so, probably not possible.. ill check and see if it even is possible...
Apr 04 23:21:14 <cwayne> just use ubuntu instead of windows...
Apr 04 23:21:58 <halfhalo> booo
Apr 04 23:22:05 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> my dad doesnt want me to make the main machine dual boot
Apr 04 23:22:33 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> and he defiantly doesnt want to install it instead of windows
Apr 04 23:22:45 <cwayne> halfhalo: boo you
Apr 04 23:22:47 * halfhalo doesnt dual boot anything
Apr 04 23:22:53 <SineOt> so why are you not installing the SDK in Windows again
Apr 04 23:23:09 <cwayne> because windows
Apr 04 23:23:10 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> i did
Apr 04 23:23:17 <Tibfib> that would be too easy
Apr 04 23:23:32 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> i want it in both, so i can have cmd line tools in ubuntu as well as windows
Apr 04 23:23:50 <halfhalo> ....
Apr 04 23:24:09 <halfhalo> actually, I should setup a linux vm.... buuuuuuuttttttt.... No
Apr 04 23:25:07 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> linux isnt as hard as i thought it was to use
Apr 04 23:25:23 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> well, for what ive gotten into so far, and installing stuff is easier then windows lol
Apr 04 23:26:11 <cwayne> youre right halfhalo.. you should just install it instead
Apr 04 23:26:19 <halfhalo> windows== double click install, linux == double click then "HOLY CRAP MUST RECOMPILE KERNEL"
Apr 04 23:26:58 <halfhalo> well, windows 7 default install == about 30 messages asking me if I'm sure I want to install
Apr 04 23:27:16 <PatrickC_Pre1> I know...
Apr 04 23:27:41 * halfhalo refuses to use linux as a desktop
Apr 04 23:27:51 <cwayne> halfhalo: when the fuck is the last time you used linux then
Apr 04 23:27:54 * PatrickC_Ubuntu is trying to compile irssi
Apr 04 23:27:55 <cwayne> apt-get install program
Apr 04 23:27:57 <cwayne> done.
Apr 04 23:28:08 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> yep :)
Apr 04 23:28:15 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> so much easier then windows i think
Apr 04 23:28:31 <halfhalo> about.... 2 days ago!
Apr 04 23:29:41 <cwayne> lol why would you ever need to recompile the kernel... what the hell were you doing on it
Apr 04 23:29:51 <madnificent> cwayne: never used gentoo?
Apr 04 23:29:54 <Loudergood> why are you compiling irssi?
Apr 04 23:30:05 <cwayne> madnificent: nope, contractually obligated to use ubuntu pretty sure
Apr 04 23:30:14 <madnificent> cwayne: :P
Apr 04 23:30:20 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> when i downloaded it, it downloaded as a tar.gz file
Apr 04 23:30:21 <SineOt> man even on Ubuntu I had to do dumb kernel recompilation crap :/
Apr 04 23:30:26 <SineOt> Just to get a working trackpad
Apr 04 23:30:40 <madnificent> SineOt: it's not that hard tbh.  It can even be fun
Apr 04 23:31:07 <SineOt> See, my idea of "fun" is that it works out of the box :I
Apr 04 23:31:11 <madnificent> PatrickC_Ubuntu: if you're on ubuntu, you should be able to find .deb's for anything you need in order to get the emulator running
Apr 04 23:31:34 <madnificent> SineOt: perhaps I just like to learn new stuff... kernel documentation is a great source for that
Apr 04 23:31:38 <Loudergood> SineOt: my graphics chip doesn't work out of the box on windows 7 for 3d
Apr 04 23:32:10 <madnificent> SineOt: oh right, my brain doesn't communicate with a Windows 7 PC out of the box either... :(
Apr 04 23:32:17 <SineOt> Loudergood: at least you can use the mouse to click and install it! :U
Apr 04 23:32:33 <halfhalo> main reason i dont use linux as a desktop is small little issues in gnome that makes me WANT TO STAB IT WITH FIRE
Apr 04 23:32:35 <SineOt> madnificent: I don't mind learning new stuff, when it's my choice to go and learn it
Apr 04 23:32:35 * madnificent is a programmer, he doesn't click
Apr 04 23:32:52 <madnificent> SineOt: yeah, I understand you.  I was just reflecting on the fact that I did like it...
Apr 04 23:33:14 * halfhalo devs on a mac due to textmate and stupid simplicity of everything else needed
Apr 04 23:33:16 <madnificent> halfhalo: what about a different desktop environment
Apr 04 23:33:31 <cwayne> mac == unix basically
Apr 04 23:33:34 <cwayne> WITH MORE PRETTY
Apr 04 23:33:43 <halfhalo> can't do kde, don't like most lighter wm's
Apr 04 23:33:44 * madnificent wonders if there are tiling window managers for windows
Apr 04 23:33:50 * halfhalo LIKES PRETTY
Apr 04 23:33:52 <madnificent> cwayne: and less freedom
Apr 04 23:33:59 <cwayne> UNITY IS PRETTY
Apr 04 23:34:17 <halfhalo> BUT NOT AS SIMPLE
Apr 04 23:34:23 <cwayne> SIMPLER
Apr 04 23:34:28 <madnificent> AND MORE CAPS
Apr 04 23:34:40 <halfhalo> I WILL GIVE YOU THE CAPS ARGUEMENT
Apr 04 23:34:50 <Loudergood> gnome is dumb simple, the devs love nothing more than removing options
Apr 04 23:34:53 <cwayne> CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
Apr 04 23:35:06 <halfhalo> STILL HAVE TO STEER THOUGH
Apr 04 23:35:15 <cwayne> ITS NOT AUTOPILOT, DUH
Apr 04 23:35:38 <halfhalo> WELLL.... IT COULD BE IF WE TRIED
Apr 04 23:36:46 <Tibfib> ccccccombo breaker!
Apr 04 23:38:28 * PatrickC_Ubuntu now wants a ubuntu machine.. either dualboot or main os
Apr 04 23:42:13 <madnificent> PatrickC_Ubuntu: why?
Apr 04 23:42:24 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> its nice
Apr 04 23:46:05 <SineOt> The top of a Mac Mini serves a perfect dual touchstone charge station. XD
Apr 04 23:46:43 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> lol
Apr 04 23:49:38 <madnificent> nice one SineOt
Apr 04 23:50:39 <dawm_> nice
Apr 04 23:51:00 <dawm_> var x = new Audio(); x.src = 'file.mp3'; x.loop = true; x.play();
Apr 04 23:51:11 <dawm_> and it loops ;D
Apr 04 23:51:22 <sugardave> how about that?
Apr 04 23:51:23 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> wow.. the things i have to do to be able to install irssi lol
Apr 04 23:51:45 <sugardave> PatrickC_Ubuntu: you mean: sudo apt-get install irssi
Apr 04 23:51:48 <sugardave> yeah, that's a killer
Apr 04 23:51:49 <sugardave> :/
Apr 04 23:51:52 <Popple3> ^ That
Apr 04 23:51:53 <dawm_> ahh.. yeah
Apr 04 23:52:01 <dawm_> you will definitely know when your about to die ;D
Apr 04 23:52:04 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> well, i have to install stuff like zlib and other programs
Apr 04 23:52:17 <sugardave> PatrickC_Ubuntu: no
Apr 04 23:52:21 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> i dont?
Apr 04 23:52:25 <sugardave> you let the package manager do it for you
Apr 04 23:52:26 <Popple3> aptitude will sort all that out
Apr 04 23:52:40 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> wow... i have a lot to learn about ubuntu....
Apr 04 23:52:57 <Loudergood> apt is the greatest thing since sliced bread
Apr 04 23:53:15 <Popple3> PatrickC_Ubuntu: now, if you want to compile irssi from source, feel free to go ahead :P
Apr 04 23:53:16 <madnificent> Loudergood: let's generalize to package managers :)
Apr 04 23:53:27 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> popple3: thats what i was doing lol
Apr 04 23:53:44 <Loudergood> I guess we can do that to avoid a unix flameware
Apr 04 23:53:50 <Loudergood> *flamewar
Apr 04 23:54:15 <madnificent> PatrickC_Ubuntu: the ubuntu software center is a graphical frontend to all that apt-get sweetness
Apr 04 23:56:22 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> what are some *needed* programs that you guys use all the time?
Apr 04 23:57:16 * Popple3 is tempted to start a terminal based text editor argument...
Apr 04 23:57:43 * SineOt just uses nano because well, it's not retarded! :U
Apr 04 23:57:59 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> irssi is terminal based irc?
Apr 04 23:57:59 * Popple3 just uses vim for the same reason
Apr 04 23:58:12 <Popple3> PatrickC_Ubuntu: Yeah, if you want a GUI check out Xchat
Apr 04 23:58:18 <SineOt> nano prints out the commands at the bottom of the screen, which is… Nice
Apr 04 23:58:22 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> im using xchat right now :)
Apr 04 23:58:49 <Loudergood> Popple3: I hear emacs is a good irc client
Apr 04 23:58:54 <Popple3> SineOt: takes up valuable editing space :P
Apr 04 23:59:14 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> wgreenhouse uses emacs
Apr 04 23:59:16 <SineOt> saves on valuable "fumble with the keyboard to try to figure out how to save"
Apr 04 23:59:22 <SineOt> and it's like what, 2 lines? :P
Apr 05 00:00:00 <PatrickC_Ubuntu> what is the best text editor in your (everyone) opinion for ubuntu?
Apr 05 00:00:10 <Loudergood> once you've used it more than twice you don't need to see them anymore
Apr 05 00:00:22 <Popple3> SineOt: what Loudergood said :P
Apr 05 00:00:35 <Loudergood> my favorite gui one is kate, but that's kde based..
Apr 05 00:01:06 <Popple3> PatrickC_Ubuntu: I tend to just use gedit and vim. That said I very rarely boot into Ubuntu
Apr 05 00:03:57 * PatrickC_Ubuntu is about to switch back to windows.. gonna try some other platform development 
Apr 05 00:05:37 <PatrickC_Pre1> ubuntu is off for the night
Apr 05 00:07:06 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre1: if you normally use eclipse, that'll work.  I use emacs, but not many others do
Apr 05 00:07:34 <rsanchez1> hey guys, do one of you know what would be causing these errors:
Apr 05 00:07:38 <rsanchez1>  [162] palm-webos user.err /usr/bin/filenotifyd[1912]: Failed to add file    [162] palm-webos user.err /usr/bin/filenotifyd[1912]: Failed to add file to database!
Apr 05 00:07:45 <PatrickC_Pre1> I normally use cmd line + text editor
Apr 05 00:07:48 <PatrickC_Pre1> no IDE
Apr 05 00:09:23 <Popple3> I use Coda (w/ MojoPlugin)
Apr 05 00:09:50 <SineOt> I use Espresso with a webOS plugin. It's nice. :3
Apr 05 00:10:04 <Popple3> SineOt: Oh, there's an espress webOS plugin?
Apr 05 00:10:06 * Popple3 googles
Apr 05 00:10:09 <PatrickC_Pre1> sineot: I don't have OSX :p
Apr 05 00:10:12 <Popple3> *espresso
Apr 05 00:10:14 <SineOt> Yup yup! WebOS.sugar
Apr 05 00:10:35 <dawm_> oh man.. i may need to rethink the warning sound
Apr 05 00:10:38 <dawm_> it can get annoying
Apr 05 00:11:17 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 05 00:11:23 <PatrickC_Pre1> did you buy those sounds?
Apr 05 00:11:53 <PatrickC_Pre1> s/those/the/
Apr 05 00:11:59 <dawm_> no but i managed to obtain them
Apr 05 00:12:08 <PatrickC_Pre1> ah ok :)
Apr 05 00:13:10 <Popple3> SineOt: That looks quite handy (and better than the Coda plugin), I shall try it out
Apr 05 00:14:09 <Tibfib> heh
Apr 05 00:14:26 <Tibfib> heh @ dawm_'s annoying warning sound
Apr 05 00:14:38 <dawm_> yeah
Apr 05 00:14:42 <PatrickC_Pre1> I haven't heard it yet (I don't think)
Apr 05 00:14:46 <dawm_> im gonna have to make the warning sound an option
Apr 05 00:14:59 <rsanchez1> it's safe to delete files in /home/root on my Pre, right?
Apr 05 00:15:10 <dawm_> lets see how this works on device
Apr 05 00:15:13 <SineOt> Popple3: yeah, it's done by the guy who does TapNote, which is still in active development… So it's pretty polished since he uses it heavily himself!
Apr 05 00:15:56 * Popple3 has no App Catalog access, so doesn't know any (even well known) apps
Apr 05 00:16:16 <Popple3> but yeah, I'd imagine it would be pretty refined to what you really need
Apr 05 00:16:53 <dawm_> well laser animation works on device ;D
Apr 05 00:17:01 <PatrickC_Pre1> :D
Apr 05 00:17:07 <SineOt> Yeah. Want to build and launch on device/emulator? Control-R! Boom! Done!
Apr 05 00:17:19 <dawm_> and audio killed it
Apr 05 00:17:25 <dawm_> hrm
Apr 05 00:18:17 <dawm_> hrm
Apr 05 00:18:34 <SineOt> Uh. I have 8.88GB in dropbox now! No idea how I ended up with that.
Apr 05 00:18:47 <PatrickC_Pre1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID1KsnermXk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Apr 05 00:19:42 <Tibfib> SineOt: do you pay?
Apr 05 00:19:54 <SineOt> No, all through referrals.
Apr 05 00:20:04 <Tibfib> nice
Apr 05 00:20:06 <Tibfib> I have 4gb
Apr 05 00:20:11 <Tibfib> I need like 20 gb
Apr 05 00:20:15 <SineOt> I just can't figure out how it ended up with .88GB when referrals are all in either 256MB of 512MB chunks
Apr 05 00:20:19 <Tibfib> but I don't want to pay for 50
Apr 05 00:20:48 <SineOt> Find someone with an .edu email (or use your own) and you can double the value on referrals.
Apr 05 00:20:55 <Tibfib> nice
Apr 05 00:21:14 <dawm_> hrm
Apr 05 00:21:21 <dawm_> dom exception..
Apr 05 00:21:32 <Popple3> SineOt: That. Is. Awesome. (WebOS.sugar)
Apr 05 00:22:13 <dawm_> ok wow.. sound loop is lagged
Apr 05 00:22:30 <SineOt> Popple3: Isn't it? :3
Apr 05 00:22:34 <cwayne> lol i got 50gb in ubuntu one YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
Apr 05 00:22:34 <dawm_> i wonder what top says
Apr 05 00:22:38 <Popple3> dawm_: yeah, there's a slight gap between loops, isn't there?
Apr 05 00:22:38 <SineOt> I wonder if he'll update it to do 2.1 stuff
Apr 05 00:22:55 <dawm_> yeah
Apr 05 00:22:57 <Popple3> SineOt: He better :P And then 3.0 stuff
Apr 05 00:23:31 <Popple3> that said, looks pretty simple to update, just some xml files
Apr 05 00:23:37 <Popple3> and js files
Apr 05 00:23:40 <dawm_> i wish someone would develop a plugin to play audio thru the pdk
Apr 05 00:23:43 <dawm_> id rock a hybrid
Apr 05 00:23:53 <SineOt> Yeah, and some JS. It's surprising it works so well given how little there is behind it
Apr 05 00:24:01 <SineOt> I suppose that's a statement of how now Espresso is
Apr 05 00:24:13 <rsanchez1> dawm_, what's wrong with html5 audio?
Apr 05 00:24:25 <dawm_> lag
Apr 05 00:24:50 <dawm_> my app eats about 50% cpu (im overclocked too)
Apr 05 00:24:55 <dawm_> just gfx/js
Apr 05 00:24:55 <rsanchez1> it only lags a few seconds
Apr 05 00:25:07 <dawm_> its chopping up the audio
Apr 05 00:25:15 <dawm_> and the audio is 1s long
Apr 05 00:25:22 <rsanchez1> although, I would also like to have an audio plugin
Apr 05 00:25:39 <rsanchez1> oh, that's a problem with webkit
Apr 05 00:25:40 <Tibfib> dawm_: audio in webOS sucks.
Apr 05 00:25:46 <rsanchez1> happens on Google Chrome too
Apr 05 00:25:52 <dawm_> works fine on chrome
Apr 05 00:26:03 <Popple3> SineOt: Well, it's Spice.sugar that does the hard work of making that simpleness work ;)
Apr 05 00:26:16 <rsanchez1> hmm, at least I've heard that chrome chops up audio that is a few seconds long
Apr 05 00:26:19 <Popple3> but meh, it works, I'm happy :D
Apr 05 00:26:25 <dawm_> on chrome audio playback (looped) is like dbl speed
Apr 05 00:26:34 <dawm_> on device its like half
Apr 05 00:26:41 <rsanchez1> but then, since they won't upgrade webOS to the latest webkit, we probably get stuck with old bugs
Apr 05 00:26:50 <dawm_> audio plays fine (most of the time) but the loop isnt as tight
Apr 05 00:27:25 <rsanchez1> isn'
Apr 05 00:27:26 <dawm_> id write this as a PDK app but then id have to learn C
Apr 05 00:27:43 <rsanchez1> couldn't you use the audiophile app? is it open source?
Apr 05 00:28:15 <dawm_> whats the audiophile app?
Apr 05 00:28:23 <Tibfib> oh yeah
Apr 05 00:28:50 <rsanchez1> it's still in development
Apr 05 00:29:38 <Tibfib> anyone know where the media indexing in 2.x is path-wise?
Apr 05 00:29:47 <rsanchez1> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/279361-audiophile-music-player-ffmpeg-port-indexing-variable-bass-treble-vol.html
Apr 05 00:30:10 <rsanchez1> oh, that one is a hybrid
Apr 05 00:30:15 <rsanchez1> yeah maybe you could use his plugin
Apr 05 00:30:29 <Tibfib> how hard is a simple audio plugin?
Apr 05 00:31:04 <dawm_> no clue
Apr 05 00:31:11 <dawm_> but id love to have one just to replace html5 audio
Apr 05 00:31:20 <dawm_> might be peppier
Apr 05 00:31:25 <Tibfib> play files with gapless playback + equalizer
Apr 05 00:31:41 <Tibfib> c++/c devs!
Apr 05 00:33:32 <Tibfib> madnificent, have I heard you talk about c++ before?
Apr 05 00:34:52 <randomperson> Does anyone know where I might find some simple Ares programs source code (for learning)
Apr 05 00:36:07 <Popple3> this.controller.pushScene("bed");
Apr 05 00:36:10 <Popple3> </lameJoke>
Apr 05 00:36:32 <Tibfib> randomperson: I do not know of any
Apr 05 00:37:01 <Popple3> night guys, work in 5 and a half hours :/
Apr 05 00:37:28 <randomperson> i'm trying to learn this and my brains frying... not fully understanding the js prototype framework
Apr 05 00:37:59 <PatrickC_Pre1> randomperson: I have some ares apps I can send you the .zip of
Apr 05 00:38:05 <Tibfib> heh
Apr 05 00:38:16 <Tibfib> randomperson: I wouldn't suggest learning ares at this time
Apr 05 00:38:22 <Tibfib> get in early access and learn enyo
Apr 05 00:38:23 <PatrickC_Pre1> and they are very simple flashlight apps
Apr 05 00:38:38 <Popple3> Tibfib: I'm still waiting to get in. I'm learning Mojo at the moment
Apr 05 00:38:43 <randomperson> i have source code for a sound maker but thats it
Apr 05 00:38:45 <Tibfib> Popple3: why?
Apr 05 00:38:58 <randomperson> i just need to understan js
Apr 05 00:39:03 <randomperson> fully
Apr 05 00:39:27 <Tibfib> the only similarities between mojo and enyo are they are both javascript frameworks, and they are both on webOS.
Apr 05 00:39:30 <Popple3> Tibfib: My app I'm working on is pretty simple, so I'll have it done way before 3.0 is public
Apr 05 00:39:41 <Tibfib> Popple3: mmkay, that's a decent reason :)
Apr 05 00:39:52 <Tibfib> randomperson: read some books
Apr 05 00:40:01 <Tibfib> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs is a good guide as well
Apr 05 00:40:37 <Popple3> in fact, I just need to sort out one scene now, and a bit of error handling and caching here and there and I'm sorted. I only properly started on Saturday
Apr 05 00:42:10 <randomperson> Ive been reading and think i understand modt of the basic things about js but the frameworks are sonfusing me
Apr 05 00:42:33 <Tibfib> randomperson: how?
Apr 05 00:42:45 <Tibfib> s/how/how so/
Apr 05 00:43:23 <randomperson> i'm totally new to programming :(
Apr 05 00:44:23 <Popple3> randomperson: by the way, in case you didn't know, SomethingAssistant.prototype.someMethod() isn't anything to do with the prototype js framework (I'm not sure if that's the way it is in Ares, I've never looked into Ares)
Apr 05 00:44:49 <PatrickC_Pre1> randomperson: do the sample app (Flickr Search)
Apr 05 00:45:15 <randomperson> I did
Apr 05 00:45:49 <PatrickC_Pre1> now, look the code that it uses, and figure out what it does
Apr 05 00:46:02 <Popple3> I just realised I can modify WebOS.sugar to install across multiple devices. win.
Apr 05 00:46:08 <PatrickC_Pre1> that will help you more then my code (I believe Palm commented their code)
Apr 05 00:46:15 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 05 00:47:00 <randomperson> no comments :(
Apr 05 00:47:02 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre1: I've learned the hard way to always comment my own code, even if I'm gonna be the only person looking at it
Apr 05 00:47:31 <PatrickC_Pre1> I comment when the code it done
Apr 05 00:47:38 <PatrickC_Pre1> not during the coding process
Apr 05 00:47:44 <Popple3> when you get to a moment where your only thought is "What the hell does this do?", you know you have a problem :P
Apr 05 00:47:49 <randomperson> Apparently palm left out the comments...
Apr 05 00:48:06 <PatrickC_Pre1> randomperson: the forums are also helpful
Apr 05 00:48:18 <PatrickC_Pre1> popple3: yea lol
Apr 05 00:49:45 <Tibfib> randomperson: I would not recommend learning ares at this time
Apr 05 00:50:01 <Tibfib> new version will be different
Apr 05 00:50:45 <PatrickC_Pre1> yea, if you learn anything.. learn the sdk (imho)
Apr 05 00:51:08 <Popple3> Enyo in particular
Apr 05 00:51:17 <Popple3> if you can get into the early access program
Apr 05 00:51:19 <cwayne> NDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Apr 05 00:51:25 * Popple3 hides
Apr 05 00:52:02 <Tibfib> Popple3: you haven't said anything wrong
Apr 05 00:52:26 <Tibfib> neither have I afaik
Apr 05 00:52:33 <Popple3> I know, sure I'm not even bound by the NDA (yet)
Apr 05 00:52:55 <SineOt> PatrickC_Pre1, uhhhhhhh
Apr 05 00:53:01 <SineOt> Enyo -is- the SDK
Apr 05 00:53:08 <SineOt> it's part of the webOS SDK :I
Apr 05 00:53:11 <PatrickC_Pre1> well.. Mojo
Apr 05 00:53:12 <Popple3> SineOt: randomperson is looking at Ares
Apr 05 00:53:18 <SineOt> Er, ARES I meant
Apr 05 00:53:19 <Popple3> which of course is also part of the SDK
Apr 05 00:53:28 <SineOt> Ares Ares Ares
Apr 05 00:53:44 <Tibfib> SineOt: shmeh, people use "ares" and "sdk" to distinguish
Apr 05 00:54:06 <Tibfib> not technically correct, but makes sense
Apr 05 00:54:16 <lemketron> WebOS.sugar?  Cool.  I was wondering if someone might do one of those...
Apr 05 00:54:30 <SineOt> Oh, hey lemketron
Apr 05 00:54:36 <lemketron> Heh.  Yes?
Apr 05 00:54:43 <SineOt> just saying hi! :3
Apr 05 00:54:55 <lemketron> Ah.  hi!
Apr 05 00:54:58 <SineOt> and also I kind of forgot to mention the plist naming issue to you when I found it..!
Apr 05 00:55:02 <SineOt> but I think you're aware of it now
Apr 05 00:55:18 <lemketron> Oh, that's the other one I was trying to remember at our bug scrub today.
Apr 05 00:55:22 <PatrickC_Pre1> tibfib: ping
Apr 05 00:55:33 <Tibfib> ?
Apr 05 00:55:55 <PatrickC_Pre1> did you figure out the api key thing? (just wonderin)
Apr 05 00:56:03 <Tibfib> oh, no I didn't. got sidetracked
Apr 05 00:56:09 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 05 00:56:13 <PatrickC_Pre1> I do that I lot
Apr 05 00:56:13 <Tibfib> you should be able to
Apr 05 00:56:16 <SineOt> lemketron: oops! I should have remembered to tell you about it sooner
Apr 05 00:56:23 <PatrickC_Pre1> look!!!!! a bunny!!!
Apr 05 00:56:31 * Popple3 chases afer bunny
Apr 05 00:56:34 <Popple3> *after
Apr 05 00:56:56 <PatrickC_Pre1> sineot: look!! a pony!!
Apr 05 00:57:34 <PatrickC_Pre1> s/pony/otter/
Apr 05 00:57:52 <rsanchez1> dawm_, looking at the audiophile source, it looks like the plugin used in that app might be what you're looking for
Apr 05 00:58:03 <SineOt> I'm well aware of the existence of both of those!
Apr 05 00:58:10 <SineOt> What do you think decorates my monitor? :I
Apr 05 00:58:22 <SineOt> … Oh, and there's some chickens too. Can't forget them.
Apr 05 00:58:26 <Popple3> SineOt: I thought perhaps Unicorns
Apr 05 00:58:27 <rsanchez1> https://github.com/epik/wAMP/tree/master/plugin/src
Apr 05 00:58:44 <Popple3> why I capitalised unicorns, I don't know....
Apr 05 00:58:51 <SineOt> Well, there are some unicorns. And some pegasus. And some earth ponies. :I
Apr 05 00:58:54 <Popple3> perhaps coz they're just that awesome
Apr 05 00:59:30 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 05 00:59:33 <rsanchez1> I will definitely look into replacing HTML5 audio with the audiophile plugin
Apr 05 00:59:46 <rsanchez1> gapless playback will be nice
Apr 05 01:02:24 <dawm_> make it happen
Apr 05 01:02:49 <dawm_> sucks for me tho, i wanted to have a 1.x app
Apr 05 01:03:12 <rsanchez1> sometimes you can get hybrid apps to work on 1.4.5
Apr 05 01:03:21 <dawm_> in the catalog tho?
Apr 05 01:03:31 <cwayne> idk, everyone that uses my app is still on 1.4.5...
Apr 05 01:03:31 <cwayne> lol
Apr 05 01:03:33 <rsanchez1> no, they won't allow them in the catalog, even if they work on device
Apr 05 01:03:46 <dawm_> then ill have to make html5 work :P
Apr 05 01:04:44 <rsanchez1> you know, hybrids work on the Pixi, but their docs say they won't work
Apr 05 01:05:37 <oil> lol
Apr 05 01:05:57 <oil> yeah, we didn't release wirc for pixi until we got one to test it on and it worked
Apr 05 01:06:20 <dawm_> doh
Apr 05 01:06:33 <Tibfib> heheh I remember that
Apr 05 01:06:49 <dawm_> my audio wrapper only lets me play once.. ill have to redo it ;p
Apr 05 01:11:09 <SineOt> I hate being in the mood to be crafty and not have anything handy to work on. :C
Apr 05 01:11:49 * oil points SineOt to git.webosinternals.org
Apr 05 01:12:06 <SineOt> oil: -physically- crafty
Apr 05 01:12:13 <oil> oh :(
Apr 05 01:12:15 <rsanchez1_> gah, got disconnected from webchat again
Apr 05 01:12:16 <SineOt> I already rewired and wrapped the cabling for my desk :p
Apr 05 01:12:34 <SineOt> Wishing I had some clay handy.
Apr 05 01:13:29 <dawm_> awesome
Apr 05 01:13:35 <dawm_> laser sound fits perfectly with animation
Apr 05 01:13:42 <oil> lol
Apr 05 01:13:47 <PatrickC_Pre1> :)
Apr 05 01:20:54 * sugardave gets ready to, um, "learn from" dawm's sound wrapper.
Apr 05 01:21:25 <dawm_> ugh
Apr 05 01:21:34 <dawm_> on device, audio plays way way late :(
Apr 05 01:22:07 <dawm_> id have to play the audio before the player even decides to click the block in order for it to be in sync
Apr 05 01:22:22 <sugardave> oh no, that's not good
Apr 05 01:22:35 <dawm_> no its not, this game needs sounds :P
Apr 05 01:23:57 <NuttyBunny> sound buffer? is there a way that you could make it smaller?
Apr 05 01:27:07 <dawm_> dave, http://pastebin.com/rqfqDUTq
Apr 05 01:27:18 <dawm_> i compiled it all together for you. its super simple
Apr 05 01:29:26 <dawm_> i have another one but i dont know where i got it, its a little more advanced, and lets you have as many channels of audio as you need, but it cant loop
Apr 05 01:29:55 <sugardave> hey, that's pretty cool
Apr 05 01:30:00 <sugardave> dawm_: thanks!
Apr 05 01:30:51 <dawm_> yeah, pretty much you just add to the file array, and then call play when you need to, it also checks incase of a typo
Apr 05 01:31:28 <rsanchez1_> you're using it as an object when it should be an array
Apr 05 01:31:36 <dawm_> man i really dont want to have to stop this momentum and have to learn c
Apr 05 01:31:48 <dawm_> in js, arrays and objects work the same
Apr 05 01:32:20 <rsanchez1_> but they're different
Apr 05 01:32:22 <dawm_> i use an object so you can keep the naming, instead of using sound[1] sound[2]
Apr 05 01:32:37 <dawm_> youd have to do audio.play(2);
Apr 05 01:32:39 <dawm_> and rememebr what 2 is
Apr 05 01:32:54 <rsanchez1_> you're using an array, not an object
Apr 05 01:33:07 <sugardave> an array is an object
Apr 05 01:33:16 <Popple3> array ~= map ~= object
Apr 05 01:33:21 <rsanchez1_> [], not {}
Apr 05 01:33:32 <dawm_> http://www.quirksmode.org/js/associative.html
Apr 05 01:33:41 <dawm_> objects as associative arrays
Apr 05 01:33:45 <dawm_> js doesnt have assoc arrays
Apr 05 01:33:50 <sugardave> you have to use array notation with variable object properties
Apr 05 01:34:00 <Tibfib> arrays are objects
Apr 05 01:34:18 <Tibfib> in javascript
Apr 05 01:34:49 <rsanchez1_> I just like to use [] when I want to use an array, and {} when I want to use a hash
Apr 05 01:34:51 <dawm_> In JavaScript, objects are also associative arrays (or hashes). That is, the property theStatus.Home can also be read or written by calling theStatus['Home']
Apr 05 01:35:10 * Tibfib just read Javscript: The Good Parts
Apr 05 01:35:18 * dawm_ read the internet
Apr 05 01:35:21 <sugardave> rsanchez1_: but if your object/hash has a variable property, how do you access it?
Apr 05 01:35:31 <sugardave> you HAVE to use []
Apr 05 01:35:41 <dawm_> dave no
Apr 05 01:35:44 <sugardave> yes
Apr 05 01:35:45 <dawm_> object.var
Apr 05 01:35:47 <sugardave> no
Apr 05 01:35:52 <dawm_> or object['var']
Apr 05 01:35:53 <Tibfib> no no no
Apr 05 01:35:58 <Tibfib> object[var]
Apr 05 01:36:06 <Tibfib> object.var produces the value at object["var"]
Apr 05 01:36:07 <sugardave> yes
Apr 05 01:36:07 <Popple3> no
Apr 05 01:36:08 <Popple3> yes
Apr 05 01:36:19 <SineOt> maybe
Apr 05 01:36:19 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 05 01:36:27 <SineOt> god help you if it's got spaces in the name
Apr 05 01:36:29 <rsanchez1_> technically, I guess everything in javascript is an object
Apr 05 01:36:34 <sugardave> Tibfib and I are right
Apr 05 01:36:38 <dawm_> Tibfib, if var = 'var' then youre right
Apr 05 01:36:38 <halfhalo> yup
Apr 05 01:36:40 <SineOt> object.spaces are the worst
Apr 05 01:36:51 <Tibfib> dawm_: try it yourself
Apr 05 01:37:29 <sugardave> var testVar = "foo"; myobject.testVar = testVar; myobject[testVar] = "bar";
Apr 05 01:37:32 <halfhalo> js needs method missing
Apr 05 01:37:56 <sugardave> myobject.testVar === foo  and myobject.foo === bar
Apr 05 01:38:12 <rsanchez1_> you access: [0, 1, 2], and {0: 0, 1: 1, 2: 2} the same, but I like to use [] for arrays, and {} for hashes
Apr 05 01:38:22 <oil> sugardave, that makes perfect sense
Apr 05 01:38:46 <Popple3> sugardave: LIES! You missed your quotes in your conclusion :P
Apr 05 01:38:51 <dawm_> dave
Apr 05 01:38:52 <sugardave> :P
Apr 05 01:38:56 <dawm_> wrong
Apr 05 01:39:00 <oil> myobject['testvar'] == foo :)
Apr 05 01:39:00 <sugardave> no
Apr 05 01:39:00 <dawm_> im telling you and tibfib are wrong
Apr 05 01:39:01 <Tibfib> obj["dog"] is not the same as obj.dog
Apr 05 01:39:04 <dawm_> and i have proof
Apr 05 01:39:08 <dawm_> var testVar = 'foo'; var object = {}; object.testVar = testVar; object.testVar = 'bar'; object[testVar];
Apr 05 01:39:09 <dawm_> undefined
Apr 05 01:39:14 <dawm_> var testVar = 'foo'; var object = {}; object.testVar = testVar; object.testVar = 'bar'; object['testVar'];
Apr 05 01:39:16 <dawm_> "bar"
Apr 05 01:39:21 <dawm_> just tested that in chrome
Apr 05 01:39:33 <Tibfib> dawm_: you are doing it worng
Apr 05 01:39:41 <dawm_> no im doing it exactly as you said
Apr 05 01:39:46 <sugardave> you're doing it in your own code...  soundCache[name]
Apr 05 01:39:48 <Tibfib> you would do object["bar"]
Apr 05 01:39:53 <dawm_> dave
Apr 05 01:39:58 <dawm_> name is filled from the for
Apr 05 01:40:02 <sugardave> right
Apr 05 01:40:05 <dawm_> name ='s something
Apr 05 01:40:06 <sugardave> it's variable
Apr 05 01:40:07 <oil> the difference between obj[foo] and obj['foo']
Apr 05 01:40:08 <sugardave> I know
Apr 05 01:40:14 <rsanchez1_> well see, there in your example, you're using {}, but in the pastebin example, you're using new Array()
Apr 05 01:40:18 <sugardave> oil YES
Apr 05 01:40:29 <dawm_> let me paste what tibfig said
Apr 05 01:40:41 <Tibfib> obj.dog !== obj["dog"] people
Apr 05 01:40:43 * PatrickC_Pre1 is lost in all this
Apr 05 01:40:43 <dawm_> <Tibfib> no no no
Apr 05 01:40:44 <dawm_> <Tibfib> object[var]
Apr 05 01:40:44 <dawm_> <Tibfib> object.var produces the value at object["var"]
Apr 05 01:40:52 <Tibfib> wait. yes it does dangit
Apr 05 01:40:54 <dawm_> its object['var'] not object[var]
Apr 05 01:40:57 <sugardave> Tibfib: actually, yes it does
Apr 05 01:41:03 <sugardave> obj.dog !== obj[dog]
Apr 05 01:41:06 <dawm_> unless var = 'var'
Apr 05 01:41:10 <dawm_> dog isnt set
Apr 05 01:41:10 <Tibfib> sugardave: that's what I meant
Apr 05 01:41:13 <dawm_> dog has no value
Apr 05 01:41:14 * Tibfib is getting more confused
Apr 05 01:41:22 * Tibfib knew the right thing before this started
Apr 05 01:41:28 <dawm_> heh
Apr 05 01:41:28 <sugardave> haha
Apr 05 01:41:33 <PatrickC_Pre1> lol
Apr 05 01:41:36 <dawm_> this whole argument is cause of you Tibfib
Apr 05 01:41:40 * Popple3 knew exactly what was going on at the start, but doesn't have a clue now
Apr 05 01:41:42 <dawm_> it needs the quotes :P
Apr 05 01:41:47 * PatrickC_Pre1 never knows the right thing and is always confused :p
Apr 05 01:41:54 <dawm_> unless the variable contains a variable
Apr 05 01:42:05 <oil> typeof(NaN) == number :)
Apr 05 01:42:12 <sugardave> it needs the quotes if it's the literal property name, but not quotes if it's a variable that matches SOME property name
Apr 05 01:42:17 <haeffb> obj.bulldog != obj.['husky']
Apr 05 01:42:21 <dawm_> THIS WORKS var = 'dumb'; object[var] = tibfib
Apr 05 01:42:23 <Tibfib> dog = green; obj[dog] === obj["green"] || obj.green;
Apr 05 01:42:28 * sugardave hits haeffb hard.
Apr 05 01:42:34 <Tibfib> dog = "green"; obj[dog] === obj["green"] || obj.green;
Apr 05 01:42:37 <rsanchez1_> I just see them differently from how arrays and associative arrays are defined in Perl
Apr 05 01:42:39 * haeffb watching bball
Apr 05 01:42:40 <dawm_> Tibfib, i know this
Apr 05 01:42:41 <oil> object.dumb == tibfib
Apr 05 01:42:43 <Popple3> var foo = "bar"
Apr 05 01:42:43 <Popple3> myObj.foo === myObj["foo"] !== myObj[foo]
Apr 05 01:42:43 <Tibfib> BALLZ
Apr 05 01:42:47 <Tibfib> I'm going to stop
Apr 05 01:42:47 <dawm_> you said w/ quotes was wrong
Apr 05 01:42:54 <Tibfib> I was fine before
Apr 05 01:43:09 <Tibfib> dog = "green"; obj[dog] === obj["green"] || obj.dog;
Apr 05 01:43:10 <Tibfib> THAT
Apr 05 01:43:11 <sugardave> okay
Apr 05 01:43:38 <Popple3> brain.stillInHead() !== true
Apr 05 01:43:39 <Tibfib> oil: I blame you
Apr 05 01:43:49 * haeffb blames oil
Apr 05 01:43:49 <oil> :/
Apr 05 01:43:58 <Tibfib> dog = "green"; obj[dog] === obj["green"] || obj.green;
Apr 05 01:44:01 <Tibfib> oh my gosh
Apr 05 01:44:10 <Tibfib> dawm_ thanks for screwing me up!
Apr 05 01:44:12 <sugardave> hahaha
Apr 05 01:44:23 <Tibfib> that last one is right!
Apr 05 01:44:26 <Tibfib> I swearrrrrrrrrr
Apr 05 01:44:33 <sugardave> for really reals this time!
Apr 05 01:44:37 <Tibfib> SERIOUSLY
Apr 05 01:44:50 <Tibfib> those otehr times were just me practicing
Apr 05 01:45:12 <oil> heh
Apr 05 01:45:20 <Popple3> all this because rsanchez1_ just said he prefers to initialise non int-based arrays as {} instead of []
Apr 05 01:45:24 <dawm_> oh im not done
Apr 05 01:45:31 <Popple3> :P
Apr 05 01:45:34 <Tibfib> proper syntax would be: dog = "green"; obj[dog] === obj["green"] === obj.green;
Apr 05 01:45:48 <dawm_> i need to find this site thats like pastebin but lets you run js
Apr 05 01:45:54 <Tibfib> jsbin.com
Apr 05 01:45:55 <rsanchez1_> Popple3: yep
Apr 05 01:46:04 <sugardave> rsanchez1_: dammit!
Apr 05 01:46:06 <oil> thats not an array
Apr 05 01:46:08 <oil> thats a hash
Apr 05 01:46:12 <Tibfib> ...
Apr 05 01:46:14 <rsanchez1_> I like to keep them logically separated like that
Apr 05 01:46:19 <rsanchez1_> to avoid confusion
Apr 05 01:46:21 <Popple3> dawm_: jsfiddle.net
Apr 05 01:46:24 <Tibfib> oil: oh you aren't talking to me
Apr 05 01:46:44 <dawm_> i found it, but its being ghey
Apr 05 01:46:48 <Tibfib> don't you ALWAYS initialize not int-based arrays with {} ?
Apr 05 01:46:55 <Tibfib> hahaahahaha
Apr 05 01:47:00 <oil> its an object
Apr 05 01:47:07 <Tibfib> yeah
Apr 05 01:47:08 <Tibfib> true
Apr 05 01:47:15 <rsanchez1_> coming from a perl background, array != associative array
Apr 05 01:47:32 <Tibfib> [] is an "array" (actually a special object)
Apr 05 01:48:34 <sugardave> what's really cool is making an object with {} but all its properties are integers
Apr 05 01:48:34 <rsanchez1_> but we've been arguing ways to access a hash instead of [] vs {}
Apr 05 01:48:36 <dawm_> OK
Apr 05 01:48:39 <dawm_> Tibfib, http://jsfiddle.net/JxCEY/
Apr 05 01:48:41 <dawm_> i win
Apr 05 01:48:44 <dawm_> <- winnar
Apr 05 01:48:47 <sugardave> hahaha
Apr 05 01:49:08 <dawm_> stupid copy and paste fail, i had to retype it all
Apr 05 01:49:23 <Tibfib> no you don't
Apr 05 01:49:34 <Tibfib> you are using OUR methods to prove your theory
Apr 05 01:49:48 <dawm_> you said i was wrong by using quotes :)
Apr 05 01:49:52 <oil> people are arguing?
Apr 05 01:50:03 <halfhalo> duh
Apr 05 01:50:22 <rsanchez1_> dawm_, why not object = new Array()?
Apr 05 01:50:35 <dawm_> i can do that if you want me to
Apr 05 01:50:39 <rsanchez1_> oil, I guess more debating than arguing
Apr 05 01:50:51 <Tibfib> dawm_: pasting fix
Apr 05 01:51:19 * oil was actually only trying to cause more confusion :)
Apr 05 01:51:28 <sugardave> dawm_: this:  http://jsfiddle.net/JxCEY/3/
Apr 05 01:51:36 <dawm_> http://jsfiddle.net/JxCEY/4/
Apr 05 01:51:58 <Tibfib> dawm_
Apr 05 01:51:59 <Tibfib> http://jsfiddle.net/JxCEY/5/
Apr 05 01:51:59 <Tibfib> NO
Apr 05 01:52:03 <Tibfib> pick me pick me!
Apr 05 01:52:09 <sugardave> MINE
Apr 05 01:52:10 <sugardave> 3
Apr 05 01:52:13 <Tibfib> mine explains
Apr 05 01:52:13 <sugardave> pick 3!
Apr 05 01:52:16 <Tibfib> heheh
Apr 05 01:52:29 <dawm_> dave cheated
Apr 05 01:52:40 <oil> http://jsfiddle.net/JxCEY/6/
Apr 05 01:52:42 * Popple3 steps up to weigh in on this debate
Apr 05 01:52:56 <rsanchez1_> gah, I think they made a mistake when they made [] function like {}
Apr 05 01:53:00 <Popple3> this is pretty much what Tibfib (or whoever else) was trying to say: http://jsfiddle.net/vbF8A/
Apr 05 01:53:12 <oil> rsanchez1_: yeah, you can't loop through those
Apr 05 01:53:20 <dawm_> rsanchez1_, there is no associative arrays in js
Apr 05 01:53:21 <oil> when other libraries are extending object
Apr 05 01:53:23 <Popple3> rsanchez1_: They should've anticipated this exact scenario :P
Apr 05 01:53:23 <dawm_> you use objects
Apr 05 01:53:33 <Tibfib> dawm_, look at Popple3 and my snippets. they should explain
Apr 05 01:53:53 <rsanchez1_> but associative array != array
Apr 05 01:53:55 <Tibfib> and oil's if you are dumb
Apr 05 01:53:57 <Tibfib> :)
Apr 05 01:53:57 <dawm_> alerts are funner
Apr 05 01:54:05 <dawm_> rsanchez1_, its an array
Apr 05 01:54:13 <oil> lol
Apr 05 01:54:16 <dawm_> associative array
Apr 05 01:54:21 <oil> "associative array" == hash
Apr 05 01:54:29 <sugardave> I didn't cheat, that was what I said :P
Apr 05 01:55:01 <oil> http://api.prototypejs.org/language/Hash/
Apr 05 01:55:05 <dawm_> didnt i paste an article on objects/arrays in JS?
Apr 05 01:55:17 <Popple3> dawm_: indeed
Apr 05 01:55:32 <rsanchez1_> [] == @, {} == %
Apr 05 01:55:35 <oil> if you're doin mojo, its got prototype included, and you can use hash
Apr 05 01:55:37 <rsanchez1_> for the perl folks in the house
Apr 05 01:55:41 <dawm_> http://www.quirksmode.org/js/associative.html
Apr 05 01:55:43 <dawm_> In JavaScript, objects are also associative arrays (or hashes). That is, the property theStatus.Home can also be read or written by calling theStatus['Home']
Apr 05 01:55:51 <Popple3> rsanchez1_: stop trying to confuse the situation more :P
Apr 05 01:56:07 * oil hasn't written any perl in years
Apr 05 01:56:13 <Tibfib> dawm_: correct
Apr 05 01:56:21 <dawm_> Tibfib, wtf, i know im right :P
Apr 05 01:56:24 <SineOt> Man if it works who cares :I
Apr 05 01:56:32 <dawm_> rsanchez1_, is complaining about ME using an object as an array
Apr 05 01:56:38 <Popple3> dawm_: which brings us back to the main point that was made, you're initialising the object/hash as an array
Apr 05 01:56:40 <Tibfib> dawm_: with the snippet you posted
Apr 05 01:56:42 <Tibfib> :)
Apr 05 01:56:52 <Popple3> but meh, it doesn't actually make any functional difference
Apr 05 01:56:53 <Tibfib> you are a tad wrong with your object.blah object[blah] syntax
Apr 05 01:57:05 <rsanchez1_> no, this started when you were using new Array() as {}
Apr 05 01:57:17 <rsanchez1_> using an array as an object
Apr 05 01:57:28 <oil> lol
Apr 05 01:57:28 <dawm_> an array is an object
Apr 05 01:57:30 <rsanchez1_> yes, you can do it, but it's not right gosh darn it
Apr 05 01:57:32 <Popple3> rsanchez1_: Yeah, initialising an object as an array
Apr 05 01:57:33 <dawm_> er
Apr 05 01:57:34 <sugardave> not even new Array(), just Array() :P
Apr 05 01:57:35 <oil> they're all objects!
Apr 05 01:57:36 <dawm_> an object is an array
Apr 05 01:57:37 <oil> xD
Apr 05 01:58:12 <Popple3> functionally, it's all the same whether you use new Array(), [] or {}
Apr 05 01:58:27 <sugardave> but yeah, you could just do var soundCache = {};  and be done with it
Apr 05 01:58:34 <Tibfib> technically, they're all objects
Apr 05 01:58:39 <Popple3> it's just rsanchez1_ being picky :P (and causing it now to irk me a little bit)
Apr 05 01:58:40 <dawm_> or i can leave it the way it is :)
Apr 05 01:59:02 * Tibfib didn't know you could use new Array() for objects
Apr 05 01:59:10 <sugardave> arrays are objects
Apr 05 01:59:14 <sugardave> hahaha
Apr 05 01:59:18 <oil> with extra functions
Apr 05 01:59:19 <Tibfib> for "HASHES"
Apr 05 01:59:19 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 05 01:59:34 <Tibfib> isn't that what new Object() is for?
Apr 05 01:59:52 <oil> new Object() doesn't get the functions added to Array()
Apr 05 01:59:59 <rsanchez1_> Tibfib: exactly!
Apr 05 02:00:03 <Tibfib> OH
Apr 05 02:00:10 <Tibfib> you can add properties to arrays
Apr 05 02:00:15 <Tibfib> for fun and such
Apr 05 02:00:16 <oil> you can do whatever you want
Apr 05 02:00:19 <oil> thats why js is so awesome
Apr 05 02:00:23 <Popple3> ^
Apr 05 02:00:29 <Tibfib> but they don't effect the magic "length" property
Apr 05 02:00:43 <rsanchez1_> my thinking is that if you're gonna have [] and {}, why use [] as if it was {}
Apr 05 02:00:52 <oil> length is just a key in the array object
Apr 05 02:01:03 <Tibfib> yeah
Apr 05 02:01:20 <oil> well, you dont always need the array stuff
Apr 05 02:01:28 <Tibfib> are there actual array functions that could be used with properties in an array?
Apr 05 02:01:39 <oil> .push
Apr 05 02:01:42 <oil> .switch
Apr 05 02:01:47 <oil> .pop
Apr 05 02:01:48 <Tibfib> with properties?
Apr 05 02:01:55 <oil> oh
Apr 05 02:02:10 <oil> none of those
Apr 05 02:02:17 <oil> an array object is strictly numeric
Apr 05 02:02:23 <Tibfib> why would you want some array methods for object properties?
Apr 05 02:02:23 <oil> to use those functions
Apr 05 02:02:29 <Popple3> afaik, there's no benefit to using [] over {} for hashes
Apr 05 02:02:29 <oil> you dont
Apr 05 02:02:34 <oil> there isnt
Apr 05 02:02:40 <Tibfib> mmkay
Apr 05 02:02:48 <Tibfib> so why is dawm_?
Apr 05 02:02:49 <Tibfib> :)
Apr 05 02:03:04 <oil> idk
Apr 05 02:03:06 <Popple3> wahey, we're back at the start of this while(true) again :P
Apr 05 02:03:35 <oil> lol
Apr 05 02:03:37 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 05 02:03:52 <Tibfib> well I feel like I learned something, what about you guys? :)
Apr 05 02:03:56 <dawm_> hey guys
Apr 05 02:04:00 <dawm_> want me to make this worse
Apr 05 02:04:01 <oil> nope
Apr 05 02:04:05 <Tibfib> no?
Apr 05 02:04:07 <dawm_> soundCache is empty
Apr 05 02:04:11 <sugardave> yes, don't argue with why someone does something in a different way
Apr 05 02:04:16 <dawm_> in chrome, if i type soundCache
Apr 05 02:04:17 <oil> lol
Apr 05 02:04:19 <dawm_> i get []
Apr 05 02:04:23 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 05 02:04:26 <dawm_> but if i type soundCache.coin
Apr 05 02:04:30 <dawm_> i get a <audio>
Apr 05 02:04:40 <Tibfib> then say soundCache = {}
Apr 05 02:04:43 <dawm_> soundCache.length
Apr 05 02:04:44 <dawm_> 0
Apr 05 02:04:51 <oil> right
Apr 05 02:04:54 <dawm_> magic empty array
Apr 05 02:05:06 <sugardave> for in
Apr 05 02:05:12 <sugardave> on an array?
Apr 05 02:05:16 <oil> lol
Apr 05 02:05:20 <oil> gets you everything
Apr 05 02:05:22 <sugardave> oh no
Apr 05 02:05:26 <sugardave> nevermind
Apr 05 02:05:27 <dawm_> dave soundCache is made inside that for
Apr 05 02:05:29 <sugardave> that's not right
Apr 05 02:05:37 <sugardave> yeah, I was reading it wrong
Apr 05 02:05:50 <oil> jeez
Apr 05 02:06:21 * oil goes to get food
Apr 05 02:06:33 * Tibfib tries to remember what he was doing before
Apr 05 02:06:44 * rsanchez1_ goes to watch TV
Apr 05 02:06:50 <Popple3> I was about to go to bed... I have to be up in <3 hours :/
Apr 05 02:06:57 <Tibfib> oh yeah, reading about michael beasley on wikipedia
Apr 05 02:06:59 <dawm_> heres the output of that magic array
Apr 05 02:07:00 <dawm_> http://pastebin.com/ACYfVmFy
Apr 05 02:07:06 <oil> channel officially killed! haha
Apr 05 02:07:37 <rsanchez1_> dawm_, see that's what you get when you try to use [] as {}
Apr 05 02:07:54 <Popple3> oil: Or saved from chaos ;)
Apr 05 02:08:01 <dawm_> yeah less overhead :P
Apr 05 02:08:06 <dawm_> sounds is an object
Apr 05 02:08:08 <dawm_> http://pastebin.com/Jp35t0Ag
Apr 05 02:08:16 <dawm_> its output from chrome is shown there
Apr 05 02:08:16 <sugardave> legnth and whatnot only works on integer indexes
Apr 05 02:09:33 <dawm_> time for some gravy rainbow
Apr 05 02:09:37 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 05 02:09:56 <dawm_> http://disasteradio.bandcamp.com/album/charisma
Apr 05 02:10:59 <rsanchez1_> so then if you later do: soundCache[0] = {foo: bar}
Apr 05 02:11:05 <rsanchez1_> soundCache.length == 1
Apr 05 02:11:08 <dawm_> you dont
Apr 05 02:11:25 <rsanchez1_> when you know it now has four members
Apr 05 02:11:32 <halfhalo> herm
Apr 05 02:12:10 <dawm_> actually
Apr 05 02:12:12 <dawm_> you can do that
Apr 05 02:12:16 <dawm_> and everything else still exists
Apr 05 02:12:24 <Popple3> indeed
Apr 05 02:12:30 <Popple3> it's pointless though really
Apr 05 02:12:38 <dawm_> yeah you dont touch soundCache
Apr 05 02:12:40 <Popple3> well, in this context
Apr 05 02:12:45 <dawm_> its just a storage
Apr 05 02:14:49 <dawm_> anyways back to how crappy audio is on device in html5..
Apr 05 02:16:25 <halfhalo> durr
Apr 05 02:17:06 <dawm_> ooh
Apr 05 02:17:14 <dawm_> this site is pretty quick. 1.0MB/s
Apr 05 02:17:40 <halfhalo> fancyness
Apr 05 02:17:55 <Popple3> and I'm off to get my...... 2 and a half hours of sleep -___-
Apr 05 02:18:41 <Popple3> despite me saying night 2 hours ago....
Apr 05 02:18:50 <Popple3> This time, I'm really off
Apr 05 02:18:52 <Popple3> adiós
Apr 05 02:18:56 * dawm_ says f'u to his computer
Apr 05 02:18:56 <Tibfib> cya
Apr 05 02:22:58 <halfhalo> dawm_: your computer hates you back1
Apr 05 02:23:39 <dawm_> its firefox and chrome's fault
Apr 05 02:23:41 <dawm_> both eating lots
Apr 05 02:24:16 <Spanska> Can I do something like this? <div class="title">#{-listTitle}</div><div id="holidayList" x-mojo-element="List">#{-listElements}</div>
Apr 05 02:32:14 <dawm_> this sucks
Apr 05 02:32:22 <dawm_> why cant the device run like chrome+my desktop
Apr 05 02:32:26 <dawm_> its flawless
Apr 05 02:34:21 <PatrickC_Pre1> cause chrome is an updated version of webkit
Apr 05 02:40:14 <dawm_> man
Apr 05 02:40:26 <dawm_> its so correct on my desktop
Apr 05 02:40:30 <dawm_> its sading
Apr 05 02:40:37 <dawm_> er sadning(sp)
Apr 05 02:41:10 <summatusmentis> PatrickC_Pre2: was it you giving me crap for not using xterm earlier?
Apr 05 02:41:20 <summatusmentis> I tried it again, and it was much faster than it had been previously
Apr 05 02:41:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> I wasn't giving you crap lol
Apr 05 02:41:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> but cool
Apr 05 02:42:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm_: what devices are you testing on?
Apr 05 02:42:52 <dawm_> preMINUS
Apr 05 02:42:59 <dawm_> if it works on that, im good
Apr 05 02:43:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> true
Apr 05 02:43:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> need it tested on new HW? :)
Apr 05 02:44:20 <dawm_> lol i guess i could send over this one
Apr 05 02:44:31 <PatrickC_Pre1> :D
Apr 05 02:46:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> we need an infobot on our channel
Apr 05 02:46:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> then we can play with him
Apr 05 02:48:08 <cwayne> ill write one
Apr 05 02:48:11 <rsanchez1_> I thought there was a bot for this channel
Apr 05 02:48:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> rsanchez1_: nope. its on webos-internals' channel
Apr 05 02:48:58 <Tibfib> rsanchez1_: not anymore
Apr 05 02:49:00 <rsanchez1_> oh, right
Apr 05 02:49:02 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre1: we've tried that
Apr 05 02:49:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> cwayne: I expect it in 1 week :)
Apr 05 02:49:45 * cwayne will just steal bukkit from xkcd
Apr 05 02:51:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> cwayne: what? lol
Apr 05 02:54:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://sourceforge.net/projects/infobot/files/
Apr 05 02:54:33 <dawm_> Tibfib, PatrickC_Pre2, sugardave, you've got mail. Blame patrick if its broke
Apr 05 02:54:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Apr 05 02:54:45 <Tibfib> not oil?
Apr 05 02:54:58 <oil> huha!
Apr 05 02:55:06 <dawm_> enjoy the warning sound :)
Apr 05 02:55:33 <dawm_> awesome
Apr 05 02:55:39 <dawm_> my home screen icons disappeared
Apr 05 02:55:43 <rwhitby> the last time someone wrote an infobot-style thing for this channel, and then everyone started "playing" with it, it got banned.
Apr 05 02:56:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> the infobot got banned? or the people playing with it? lol
Apr 05 02:56:23 <oil> infobot
Apr 05 02:56:23 <rsanchez1_> bots behaving badly?
Apr 05 02:56:26 <Tibfib> I never knew what "actually" happened to dekan
Apr 05 02:56:27 <oil> no, users
Apr 05 02:56:37 * Tibfib conspires
Apr 05 02:56:39 <rsanchez1_> let's just blame it on the bot
Apr 05 02:56:44 <rsanchez1_> the bot enabled the users
Apr 05 02:59:41 <cwayne> anyone have any problems adding reviews to the app catalog
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