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Apr 10 03:10:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin?
Apr 10 03:13:18 <Loudergood> good, my pre2 conversion was a success
Apr 10 03:13:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> yay!!
Apr 10 03:13:52 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to save up money to buy a sprint pre off ebay to do that with
Apr 10 03:15:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's this new dosbox app about?
Apr 10 03:15:47 <Loudergood> it's a dos emulator
Apr 10 03:16:06 <Loudergood> wikipedia ms-dos if you don't know what I mean ;)
Apr 10 03:16:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol, ok
Apr 10 03:17:28 <cwayne> PatrickC_Pre2: dude its like 17 bucks
Apr 10 03:17:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> they are? I thought they were like 50...
Apr 10 03:18:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://www.facebook.com/pages/HP-keep-the-Palm-name-on-your-Devices/198040803547227?sk=wall
Apr 10 03:18:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ is a good facebook page
Apr 10 03:20:34 <cwayne> lolololol
Apr 10 03:21:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> I <3 the Palm name :)
Apr 10 03:24:14 <cwayne> meh
Apr 10 03:25:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> HP can have the webos name, I like using a Palm Pre, not an HP Pre...
Apr 10 03:26:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's the poordicisions.net app goin? I looked at/used last night a little :)
Apr 10 03:30:06 <cwayne> PatrickC_Pre2: haha its... goin
Apr 10 03:30:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> most the stuff on there is ridiculously stupid or fake lol
Apr 10 03:30:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> (or so it seems)
Apr 10 03:30:54 <cwayne> oh yeah
Apr 10 03:31:05 <cwayne> but some of it is SO fake that i find it hilarious
Apr 10 03:31:12 <cwayne> its me and my roomate that write the tags
Apr 10 03:31:26 <cwayne> and some of it, its fake but funny
Apr 10 03:31:33 <cwayne> you should see the stuff we DONT post...
Apr 10 03:33:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't want to lol
Apr 10 03:33:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> "Slicing habinaro peppers then deciding to put in my contacts"
Apr 10 03:33:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> now that could really happen and really hurt :p
Apr 10 03:34:54 <cwayne> hahaha
Apr 10 03:35:04 <cwayne> im pumped you'd ever seen it
Apr 10 03:35:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> why?
Apr 10 03:39:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> "Playing with Axe Body Spray and lighter. Resulted in: Lighting my friend on fire"
Apr 10 03:39:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> hahahahahaha
Apr 10 03:39:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> I love Axe and Lighters ;)
Apr 10 03:43:59 <cwayne> lolol cus i like it when people use my stuff
Apr 10 03:44:06 <cwayne> i didnbt think people did :)
Apr 10 03:46:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> some are really funny, and some are really inappropriate lol (nsfw)
Apr 10 03:46:40 <cwayne> yeah... tryin to balance those out
Apr 10 03:47:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> most of them are about people on 'shrooms and drugs lol
Apr 10 03:50:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> I like the Halo Reach Jetpack one :p
Apr 10 03:53:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm off to bed
Apr 10 03:53:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> night
Apr 10 05:21:48 <cwayne> yo
Apr 10 08:29:32 * Thomaschaaf wave
Apr 10 12:35:05 <Popple3> anyone familiar with Mojo.Widget.ProgressBar that wants to give me a quick hand?
Apr 10 12:36:24 <hotdp> webos101
Apr 10 12:36:25 <hotdp> ?
Apr 10 12:36:51 <Popple3> hotdp: Already been there, their example doesn't work
Apr 10 12:37:23 <Popple3> hotdp: I think I spot the issue though, the docs say value has to be int, but methinks it's supposed to be float
Apr 10 12:37:26 * Popple3 tries that
Apr 10 12:38:28 <Popple3> yup, that sorted it
Apr 10 13:32:33 <leiru> hi
Apr 10 13:35:58 <hotdp> Popple3: good job :)
Apr 10 13:40:26 <leiru> some kind of offtopic, but it really makes fun: http://railsforzombies.org/
Apr 10 14:26:35 <Popple3> quick question, am I right in thinking the label property for item in commandMenu's model should put text into my commandMenu button?
Apr 10 14:30:37 <MetaView> if you don#t have an icon
Apr 10 14:31:58 <Popple3> MetaView: Yeah, it seems to work for alpha characters, but not numerical characters :/
Apr 10 14:33:54 <phoque> Popple3, did you define the "numerical characters" as a string or an integer?
Apr 10 14:34:04 <Popple3> phoque: as a string
Apr 10 14:34:08 <Popple3> label: "0",
Apr 10 14:34:12 <phoque> hm
Apr 10 14:34:23 <Popple3> I figured it'd have to be a string
Apr 10 14:34:31 <phoque> yeah, I think so too
Apr 10 14:35:53 <Popple3> phoque: Actually, it seems to be failing when there's just one character
Apr 10 14:35:58 <Popple3> regardless of the character
Apr 10 14:37:18 <Popple3> which seems to be a bug
Apr 10 14:38:11 <MetaView> sounds like
Apr 10 14:38:29 <Popple3> works fine when you manually specify a width
Apr 10 16:16:13 <MetaView> [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /var/www/sites/pds/developer.palm.com/html/libraries/externals/Palm/DevPortal/....
Apr 10 16:16:35 <MetaView>  something wrong with te dev forum
Apr 10 17:31:13 <rawle> When is the sprint pre getting an office suite?
Apr 10 18:05:37 <MetaView_> well it has
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Apr 10 18:20:53 <InfiniteLoop> hi all
Apr 10 18:45:38 <dawm|laptop> meep meep
Apr 10 18:50:40 <Thomaschaaf> hey
Apr 10 18:57:56 <halfhalo> ugggg
Apr 10 18:58:03 <halfhalo> dog got attacked
Apr 10 19:00:08 <PuffTheMagic> does anyone know how to prevent a text entry widget from getting selected when a scene is opened?
Apr 10 19:07:28 <dawm|laptop> setfocus to somethign else?
Apr 10 19:07:42 <dawm|laptop> i believe theres an option in the text widget model to disable auto focus
Apr 10 19:08:26 <SineOt> it's annoying as hell
Apr 10 19:08:30 <SineOt> let me see if I have the code handy
Apr 10 19:09:38 <dawm|laptop> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/mojo/widgets/text-field.html
Apr 10 19:09:40 <SineOt> this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(null);
Apr 10 19:09:44 <dawm|laptop> autoFocus: false
Apr 10 19:09:44 <SineOt> I think that's all you need?
Apr 10 19:10:47 <dawm|laptop> odd
Apr 10 19:10:55 <dawm|laptop> theres focus: false and autoFocus: false
Apr 10 19:11:03 <dawm|laptop> oh nm focus is deprecated
Apr 10 19:12:06 <SineOt> yeah
Apr 10 19:12:23 <SineOt> I think I had a problems with that, but I honestly can't remember!
Apr 10 19:16:23 <PuffTheMagic> hmm thanks
Apr 10 19:16:25 <PuffTheMagic>  i will try them
Apr 10 19:16:57 <PuffTheMagic> is there a way to prevent a card from being deactvated on back swipe?
Apr 10 19:17:06 <PuffTheMagic> like, to perform some validations first
Apr 10 19:17:25 <Thomaschaaf> PuffTheMagic you can overwrite the backgesture
Apr 10 19:18:07 <PuffTheMagic> SineOt, this.controller.setInitialFocusedElement(null); worked
Apr 10 19:20:06 <dawm|laptop> PuffTheMagic:  look on webos101.com theres a snipplet for overriding the back gesture
Apr 10 19:20:26 <dawm|laptop> poof
Apr 10 19:30:16 <sugardave> capture bavk gesture, do event.stopPropagation() and event.preventDefault()   (I think)
Apr 10 19:31:52 <RichT23> is there some way to do a hardware reset, my pixi seems to have very much died
Apr 10 19:32:49 <RichT23> as in black screen dead...
Apr 10 20:05:59 <dawm> wtf.. its like 85 degrees here
Apr 10 20:30:15 <RagingMind> dawm, it's 54 up here
Apr 10 21:06:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 is enjoying his Pre2 at 1.4 GHz :)
Apr 10 21:08:07 <Loudergood> which kernel?
Apr 10 21:08:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> F14 Tomcat
Apr 10 21:08:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> beware: ur phone might not boot, and might enter an endless boot cycle
Apr 10 21:09:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> I solved that problem by plugging into a charger and letting it boot at 300MHz then changing it to 1.4 GHz
Apr 10 21:10:12 <Loudergood> lol
Apr 10 21:10:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep.. :)
Apr 10 21:11:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> its pretty quick at 1.4 (but, I haven't noticed a substantial difference yet)
Apr 10 21:11:19 <avarus> what is the normal clock speed?
Apr 10 21:11:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> for the pre2?
Apr 10 21:11:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> 1GHz
Apr 10 21:11:33 <avarus> yes
Apr 10 21:11:34 <avarus> ah ok
Apr 10 21:11:43 <InfiniteLoop> hi guys does anyone know if I can use SDL for manipulating images ?
Apr 10 21:12:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: I got some user feedback... they said "Needs work..... a lot of work....."
Apr 10 21:14:03 <Loudergood> InfiniteLoop: manipulating how?
Apr 10 21:14:24 <InfiniteLoop> Loudergood: like converting to b&w / sepia etc
Apr 10 21:14:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: I told them "I know, its an early ALPHA build....." lol
Apr 10 21:14:33 <sugardave> like, you know, have it make you a sandwich when you're perfectly capable of making it yourself
Apr 10 21:14:36 <sugardave> oh
Apr 10 21:14:43 <Loudergood> you might be better off looking into using imagemagick
Apr 10 21:14:47 <avarus> good night guys, I feel terribly sick
Apr 10 21:14:48 <InfiniteLoop> Im sick of the photo apps on the webos planning to make one for myself, simple functions like crop/filter
Apr 10 21:14:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> night avarus
Apr 10 21:15:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> InfiniteLoops: have you checked out Molo Photo Filters?
Apr 10 21:16:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> InfiniteLoop*
Apr 10 21:16:53 <InfiniteLoop> PatrickC_Pre2: I read the description looks good actually but I don't want to upload my photos to a server
Apr 10 21:17:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok.. I use their lite version, and love it
Apr 10 21:18:09 <InfiniteLoop> interesting, I'll check. but don't you think it should be done on the device ? the pre2 hardware is no slouch, if iphone/android can do it I don't see why it can't be done on pre2
Apr 10 21:18:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 10 21:18:42 <Loudergood> imagemagick is already available in optware
Apr 10 21:18:49 <funkatron> should be able to, InfiniteLoop, if you can build it in PDK
Apr 10 21:19:00 <funkatron> yeah, something like imagemagick
Apr 10 21:19:25 <InfiniteLoop> ooh cool I have used imagemagick, its not on stock pre2 right ?
Apr 10 21:19:57 <Loudergood> pretty sure it's only in optware
Apr 10 21:20:21 * Hendikins heads in to town to make a quite different performance related purchase.
Apr 10 21:20:39 <sugardave> hmm
Apr 10 21:21:21 <dohtem> Tiger Woods is killing it!
Apr 10 21:35:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> optware in preware, correct? cause I didn't see it
Apr 10 21:40:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
Apr 10 22:06:02 <MetaView_> I have a nice one for InfiniteLoop
Apr 10 22:16:35 <MetaView_> ImageWorker update submitted
Apr 10 22:16:40 <MetaView_> good night
Apr 10 22:54:50 <Popple3> ugh, my app takes about 2mins 40secs to populate it's databases on first run
Apr 10 23:42:07 <dawm> Patrick LOL
Apr 11 00:00:53 <dawm> firefox needs to die already
Apr 11 00:01:14 <dawm> i closed it 5 minutes ago.. its still attempting to close but is eating 500mb memory
Apr 11 00:05:44 <dawm> SineOtter is weird..
Apr 11 00:05:50 <dawm> he plays with my little ponies
Apr 11 00:05:55 <dawm> seriously..
Apr 11 01:18:14 <Popple3> does anyone know a way of getting Mojo.Widget.List to render more than 20 at a time?
Apr 11 01:18:47 * Popple3 should probably Google first
Apr 11 01:22:11 <sugardave> Popple3: set the renderLimit to some big number
Apr 11 01:22:22 <Tibfib> that
Apr 11 01:22:30 <Popple3> sugardave: derp. I'm an idiot, I didn't spot that
Apr 11 01:22:32 <Popple3> thanks
Apr 11 01:22:36 <sugardave> np
Apr 11 01:22:52 <Popple3> great thing is, I have the exact number of entries in the list available to me
Apr 11 01:26:18 * NuttyBunny greets everyone :)
Apr 11 01:27:28 <Popple3> and that's the last of my bugs gone! :D
Apr 11 01:27:36 * Popple3 tips hat to NuttyBunny
Apr 11 01:27:46 <Popple3> now to get my first run time down :/
Apr 11 01:28:13 * oil_pre waves
Apr 11 01:30:03 <Popple3> question is: do I sleep now, then get up for work at 6 (4 and half hours from now), or do I make use of these cheap red bull equivalents and do an all nighter and go in for work in about 5 hours?
Apr 11 01:30:14 <Hendikins> Sleep.
Apr 11 01:30:26 <Popple3> Hendikins: You're no fun :(
Apr 11 01:30:28 <Hendikins> Or better still, sickie.
Apr 11 01:30:28 <Popple3> lol
Apr 11 01:30:45 <Hendikins> Popple3: I do safety critical work. My options would be sleep or call in sick.
Apr 11 01:31:17 <Popple3> Hendikins: I have a meeting in the morning that's been rescheduled a few times already, so I best not screw it over
Apr 11 01:31:42 <Popple3> I code in work, so meh, I still code well when tired
Apr 11 01:32:07 <Hendikins> I can have as many as 2000+ lives in the hands of myself and one other person. :P
Apr 11 01:32:23 <Popple3> Hendikins: Ok, sleep is the obvious choice for you
Apr 11 01:32:31 <Popple3> lol
Apr 11 01:32:47 <Hendikins> Quite.
Apr 11 01:33:15 * Hendikins is a suburban train guard - the other person is the driver.
Apr 11 01:34:07 * Popple3 is a software engineer at Ericsson
Apr 11 01:34:19 <Popple3> well, on work placement :P
Apr 11 01:34:25 * madnificent is a student at the kuleuven and such (what's happening)
Apr 11 01:34:48 <Hendikins> And.... I should see if the parents managed to find a Pre2 in Hawaii.
Apr 11 01:35:19 <Popple3> madnificent: I was wondering whether I should sleep for about 4 and a half hours, then go to work, or do an all nighter then go into work
Apr 11 01:37:19 <madnificent> Popple3: sleep :)
Apr 11 01:37:34 <madnificent> sleep + power nap will make a productive day tomorow
Apr 11 01:37:41 <madnificent> Popple3: CET timezone?
Apr 11 01:37:46 <Popple3> GMT
Apr 11 01:37:56 <madnificent> close enough
Apr 11 01:38:34 <Popple3> blah, my idea to decrease first run time won't work anyway, so perhaps sleep is the best option
Apr 11 01:38:44 <Hendikins> Indeed.
Apr 11 01:38:50 <Popple3> sqlite doesn't support compound insert :(
Apr 11 01:39:20 * madnificent should probably do the same thing
Apr 11 01:40:55 * Hendikins will have a nap... after he gets home and installs his GTX590.
Apr 11 01:41:17 <Popple3> Hendikins: ooooooo... nice :D
Apr 11 01:41:52 <Hendikins> Popple3: I wanted something to drive an "Apple LED Cinema Display" that isn't ATI (since I'm a Linux user).
Apr 11 01:42:42 <Hendikins> My time is too valuable to try and make an ATI card work reliably.
Apr 11 02:03:26 <PatrickC_Pre> Loudergood: ping
Apr 11 02:05:11 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre: sales aren't hitting any highs (you can see that as well, I think).  That's expected as long as there are no reviews/articles/fuss
Apr 11 02:23:54 <Spanska> Has anyone been able to use Palm Inspector with webOS SDK 2.1?
Apr 11 02:24:06 <Spanska> I just cannot get it to connect and show data
Apr 11 02:35:59 <lingfish> hrm, is there any way (incl. patches) to enter exact event times, instead of the 5 min increments?
Apr 11 02:45:55 <Tibfib> and he's gone
Apr 11 02:46:00 <Tibfib> inspector is deprecated..
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