**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 12 02:59:57 2011
Apr 12 03:30:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay dkirker
Apr 12 03:33:24 <dkirker> hi PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 12 03:33:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin?
Apr 12 03:35:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone else having their 2.1 phone constantly having them log into email/facebook accounts?
Apr 12 03:38:27 <halfhalo> nsfw but so, so, so good: http://soundcloud.com/marak/marak-the-node-js-rap
Apr 12 03:42:20 <zinge> Exhibition question: If the phone goes into the "Time" exhibition mode while on the touchstone, is there any way to get out of it without taking it off the touchstone?
Apr 12 03:42:42 <NergalJAF> @zinge swipe up
Apr 12 03:42:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> flick up like you are going into card mode
Apr 12 03:43:19 <zinge> Ah. Thanks. I tried that, but I guess I didn't wait long enough for it to react
Apr 12 03:44:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> it takes a second ;)
Apr 12 03:44:45 <NergalJAF> anyone else get random freezes with 2.1 in mojo apps?
Apr 12 03:45:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> which apps in particular?
Apr 12 03:45:15 <Loudergood> running preware in the background seems to do that to me sometimes
Apr 12 03:45:24 <Loudergood> when it's loading the feeds
Apr 12 03:45:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> loading preware feeds slowed all OS versions down for me
Apr 12 03:47:02 <NergalJAF> spaz beta, & myQ mostly but all apps do it.  no theme installed & I've tried on a fresh dr with no patches & still get it
Apr 12 03:47:26 <NergalJAF> it's usually when a banner from another app pops up
Apr 12 03:49:54 <NergalJAF> & it's a parital freeze at times buttons will work. if the button triggers a new scene it 75% of the time fixes it (esp in  spaz)
Apr 12 03:51:19 <NergalJAF> autoGC seems to reduce the occassions
Apr 12 03:52:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> which device?
Apr 12 04:00:02 <sugardave> a quadriatic curve has two endpoints and one control point, yet you only specify one end point and the control point when drawing the curve...how does that work?
Apr 12 04:00:15 <sugardave> s/quadriatic/quadratic/
Apr 12 04:00:49 <sugardave> oh, I see
Apr 12 04:01:00 <sugardave> current spot is endpoint 1
Apr 12 04:01:07 <SineOt> aren't quadratic curves mirrored around the control?
Apr 12 04:01:11 * PatrickC_Pre2 is confused
Apr 12 04:01:19 <sugardave> SineOt: no
Apr 12 04:01:36 <sugardave> you can have asymmetrical quadratic curves
Apr 12 04:01:59 <sugardave> the example has a moveTo first, so that is one of the endpoints
Apr 12 04:02:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 is just learning the quadratic formila
Apr 12 04:02:13 <sugardave> then you specify the control point and the other endpoint
Apr 12 04:03:11 <bpadalino> math is important
Apr 12 04:03:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know it is, but I'm in Algebra 1 :)
Apr 12 04:03:45 <bpadalino> keep it up
Apr 12 04:04:01 <halfhalo> OH GOD THE INTEGRALS ARE EVERYWHERE <-- me on a daily basis in Calc
Apr 12 04:05:27 <halfhalo> zune pass= pandora + itunes+ awesomeness.  just saying
Apr 12 04:06:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> pandora is gonna go bye bye though isn't it?
Apr 12 04:06:59 <halfhalo> I dunno, I don't use it anymore, I have my zune
Apr 12 04:07:02 <Loudergood> I thought itunes negated awesomeness
Apr 12 04:07:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> I hate iTunes, but its the only program I can *legally* use for my Nano
Apr 12 04:07:35 <halfhalo> not in this case, not when referring to its song amount
Apr 12 04:07:42 <Loudergood> also why is pandora going bye bye?
Apr 12 04:08:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> the law suit
Apr 12 04:08:06 <Xuzz> PatrickC_Pre2: that's not true?
Apr 12 04:08:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> or subpoena or whatever...
Apr 12 04:08:15 <Xuzz> huh?
Apr 12 04:08:28 <halfhalo> also, the fact I can sync my zune with it never leaving my car is sweet
Apr 12 04:08:40 <Xuzz> for example, Ubuntu (and other Linux distros) include libgpod, which works fine with most iPod nanos afaik and is perfectly legal
Apr 12 04:09:07 <halfhalo> yeah, many programs work with it
Apr 12 04:09:20 <halfhalo> it was the touches that had the issue last I looked into it
Apr 12 04:09:22 <Xuzz> in addition, the iTunes libraries allow external linking, so other tools on Windows (and maybe Mac OS X) can also use iTunes' syncing libraries and implement a better music system on top of it
Apr 12 04:09:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> they will sync with a nano easily?
Apr 12 04:09:38 <Xuzz> I'm pretty sure libgpod supports the iPod nano.
Apr 12 04:09:44 <SineOt> yeah, DoubleTwist does that pretty well, Xuzz
Apr 12 04:09:50 <sugardave> I doubt that Pandora is going to disappear
Apr 12 04:09:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, win7 is still my main OS
Apr 12 04:09:59 <SineOt> and it's probably what Palm should have been recommending instead of futzing with iTunes media sync
Apr 12 04:09:59 <Xuzz> SineOt: DoubleTwist works on Apple devices? I had no idea ;P
Apr 12 04:10:14 <SineOt> I meant syncing against the iTunes library :p
Apr 12 04:10:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: I believe it did from a few OS', or was that grooveshark?
Apr 12 04:10:29 <Xuzz> PatrickC_Pre2: e.g. http://www.mediamonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Compatible_Devices
Apr 12 04:10:37 <Xuzz> for another random app that can sync to a nano
Apr 12 04:10:50 <Xuzz> SineOt: ah, yeah, I use DoubleTwist for my Pre.
Apr 12 04:11:13 <halfhalo> I have doubletwist setup for my epic, but its never really used
Apr 12 04:11:41 <Loudergood> honest almost all my listening goes to drpodder anyway
Apr 12 04:12:10 <halfhalo> I usually listen to my Car playlist on the zune, or news radio
Apr 12 04:12:26 <halfhalo> and... I just managed to trigger 180 songs to download. GREAT
Apr 12 04:12:47 <Loudergood> and on that note, it's after midnight and my caffeine is wearing off, good night
Apr 12 04:13:07 <sugardave> night
Apr 12 04:13:11 <halfhalo> night
Apr 12 04:13:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> night
Apr 12 04:13:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool, mediamonkey is windows compatible
Apr 12 04:13:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I'm off to bed too
Apr 12 04:13:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
Apr 12 04:13:42 <NuttyBunny> nite
Apr 12 04:13:42 <halfhalo> I do love not caring if a song is on my computer as well
Apr 12 04:42:19 <hegde> Hi all
Apr 12 04:42:38 <hegde> i have ended up in a hurdle... :(
Apr 12 04:42:55 <hegde> i have a .ipk installed in the simulator
Apr 12 04:43:20 <hegde> and my ares account code has been reverted back to older version
Apr 12 04:43:35 <hegde> is there anyway to get the code files from the ipk installed in the emularot?
Apr 12 04:44:15 <sugardave> hegde: so you want the source code from the emulator?
Apr 12 04:46:03 <sugardave> you can ssh to the emulator, so I would just use scp to copy the app install directory
Apr 12 04:47:48 <hegde> @sugardave: exactly...
Apr 12 04:48:08 <hegde> Can you let me know how to do?
Apr 12 04:48:20 <hegde> have lost lot of changes
Apr 12 04:48:33 <sugardave> do you know how to use scp?
Apr 12 04:50:35 <hegde> yeah have used it sometime
Apr 12 04:51:38 <sugardave> hegde: okay, so scp -r the whole directory, which should be in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/app.id
Apr 12 04:51:48 <sugardave> and the emulator's default ssh port is 5522
Apr 12 04:52:24 <sugardave> so: scp -P 5522 -r localhost:/media/crypto...blahblahblah  /targetdir
Apr 12 04:52:53 <sugardave> oh root@localhost:/media/crypto....
Apr 12 04:53:00 <sugardave> and no password when prompted
Apr 12 04:56:00 <hegde> i m working on a windows box.... making things harder i think
Apr 12 04:58:27 <sugardave> hegde: ah
Apr 12 04:58:35 <hegde> yeah :(
Apr 12 04:58:38 <sugardave> you will need cygwin to run it from command line like I said
Apr 12 04:58:48 <sugardave> or you can download something like winscp
Apr 12 04:58:56 <sugardave> and make a connection to localhost on port 5522
Apr 12 04:59:14 * halfhalo has locohost
Apr 12 04:59:37 <sugardave> YOU CRAZY!
Apr 12 04:59:52 <halfhalo> AIAIAIAIAIAIAI
Apr 12 05:00:44 <halfhalo> So, I just found a 32GB microsd card underneath my monitor. SCORE
Apr 12 05:01:27 <sugardave> it's a trap
Apr 12 05:02:13 <halfhalo> not going to disagree.  Thats why I brought a knife
Apr 12 05:04:16 <hegde> @sugardave: Thankx a ton
Apr 12 05:04:24 <hegde> my life is back :)
Apr 12 05:04:34 <hegde> tux rocks :)
Apr 12 05:07:01 <sugardave> hegde: cool
Apr 12 05:35:19 <SineOt> welp http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/04/windows-app-store-04122011.jpg
Apr 12 05:35:30 <SineOt> for all the crap the App Store on OSX got, at least it doesn't look like that
Apr 12 05:44:15 <rwhitby> SineOt: notice that Angry Birds has "clickgamer.com" under it. I smell a rat.
Apr 12 05:53:28 <SineOt> rwhitby: heh, hadn't noticed that
Apr 12 07:05:42 <avarus> morning
Apr 12 07:07:29 <hotdp> Morning
Apr 12 07:10:43 <swisstomcat> morning
Apr 12 07:10:53 <avarus> morning
Apr 12 08:35:55 <coppa> Hello all
Apr 12 08:36:37 <hotdp> yo
Apr 12 08:37:35 <coppa> one question : I have to develop for the webOS 3.x thus i installed everything the emulator works perfect and webOS+ aptana great also, my pb is i can't see where to find enyo.js/which is the url for the <script> to it
Apr 12 08:38:28 <rwhitby> coppa: you may not discuss NDA topics in this public channel
Apr 12 08:38:42 <hotdp> Ask the Q in the private forum
Apr 12 08:38:52 <coppa> okay no pb is there a chan where I can speak about these subject ?
Apr 12 08:39:04 <coppa> ah ok
Apr 12 08:39:06 <coppa> thx no pb
Apr 12 08:39:09 <rwhitby> not on IRC.  See the discussion of such in the private forum.
Apr 12 08:39:19 <coppa> ok ;)
Apr 12 10:45:12 <Hendikins> Heh, I was amused on Sunday at the Apple Store in Sydney. Went to buy a cinema display, and I got an SMS. "Wow, is that a Pre?"
Apr 12 10:47:56 <Loudergood> lol
Apr 12 10:52:49 <Hendikins> Considering they don't even sell them in AU, I was surprised the Apple droid even knew what it was.
Apr 12 11:04:25 <Loudergood> true
Apr 12 11:04:46 <Loudergood> plus you guys have that atrocious gps problem
Apr 12 11:05:00 <Loudergood> even worse than us verizon users
Apr 12 11:07:19 <swisstomcat> it's still not fixed? sheesh
Apr 12 11:08:40 <Loudergood> I never heard anything about it being fixed, but I live in the northern hemisphere so I haven't been paying a lot of attention to it
Apr 12 12:01:00 <dawm> ok so im going in the other room to work on the pdk .. meh
Apr 12 12:10:35 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: it is still not fixed
Apr 12 12:12:31 <swisstomcat> rwhitby: can't be that hard, can it? or is it just the lack of attention to the southern hemisphere?
Apr 12 12:12:57 <rwhitby> swisstomcat: the usual complete lack of global thinking
Apr 12 12:13:26 <swisstomcat> :/
Apr 12 12:14:08 <rwhitby> I mean I did offer to alpha test the Pre 2 for them before release, but was refused.
Apr 12 12:14:15 <rwhitby> hence the bug remained in the Pre 2.
Apr 12 12:14:34 <rwhitby> I won't be surprised if it's still in the Veer and Pre 3 and TouchPad.
Apr 12 12:14:40 <swisstomcat> time for a new twitter campaign :/
Apr 12 12:14:51 <rwhitby> since none of those will probably hit the southern hemisphere this year
Apr 12 12:16:55 <swisstomcat> yeah, that might be
Apr 12 12:17:08 <swisstomcat> we need to send you a veer to austrialia
Apr 12 12:17:21 <swisstomcat> australia even
Apr 12 12:25:59 <rwhitby> you need to send me one of each :)
Apr 12 12:36:28 <Bmyers> sugardave:  ping
Apr 12 12:46:54 <dawm|laptop> ugh
Apr 12 12:47:10 <dawm|laptop> i hate getting a disc from netflix only to figure out halfway thru ive already seen it
Apr 12 12:47:23 <dawm|laptop> sad part is ive had this one for about a month.. just never got around to watching it
Apr 12 12:54:45 <swisstomcat> heh
Apr 12 12:54:58 <swisstomcat> don't they mark the ones you've already had?
Apr 12 12:58:14 <dawm|laptop> no i saw it on tv
Apr 12 12:58:15 <dawm|laptop> heh
Apr 12 12:58:46 <dawm|laptop> i think, either way i already saw it ... fail
Apr 12 13:09:04 <dawm|laptop> c is stupid
Apr 12 13:09:12 <dawm|laptop> they have var++ and ++var
Apr 12 13:09:19 <dawm|laptop> but its var- instead of var--
Apr 12 13:13:39 <choetin> hi all.
Apr 12 13:19:23 <choetin> good luck, guys.
Apr 12 13:19:31 <choetin> see you.
Apr 12 13:39:16 <hij1nx> [ann] *safely* augment native object prototypes in JS -  https://github.com/hij1nx/subclass
Apr 12 14:38:52 <sugardave> I'm probably going to skip bidding on this if anyone else wants to make some money: http://www.elance.com/j/webos-video-app/23792663/
Apr 12 14:48:29 <funkatron> that's like 1 day of work. yeesh
Apr 12 14:48:38 <funkatron> I mean, based on that budget
Apr 12 14:50:38 <sugardave> yeah
Apr 12 14:51:33 <funkatron> I guess you could probably write something to do that in that amount of time, but I rarely have had clients be okay with that 8D
Apr 12 14:53:18 <sugardave> arg, my cd drive is busted :(
Apr 12 14:53:30 <sugardave> hard to install turbo tax that way
Apr 12 14:53:31 <halfhalo> awww
Apr 12 14:53:42 <halfhalo> time to getv a bluray reader!
Apr 12 14:53:51 <sugardave> well, it is a blu-ray drive
Apr 12 14:53:59 <halfhalo> well then
Apr 12 14:54:02 <sugardave> I think I killed it when I was trying to rip a bunch of movies
Apr 12 14:54:23 <halfhalo> my bluray drive has issues with my mobo
Apr 12 14:54:40 <halfhalo> it will only come up if the computer shut down ceanly
Apr 12 14:54:58 <halfhalo> stupid old mobo
Apr 12 14:54:59 <sugardave> I"m about to reboot and see if I can make it live
Apr 12 14:55:34 <halfhalo> heh... I think my mob came out in 07
Apr 12 14:55:39 <halfhalo> mobo*
Apr 12 14:55:55 <halfhalo> my desktop really needs an overhaul
Apr 12 15:00:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning all
Apr 12 15:00:56 * PatrickC_Pre2 is gonna be featured on the developer spotlight for WOR!! :)
Apr 12 15:07:34 <NuttyBunny> cool :D
Apr 12 15:08:17 * halfhalo curls up under his desk at work
Apr 12 15:08:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 15:08:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny: how's it goin?
Apr 12 15:08:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> is the Greg you are working with the one that was on the developer spotlight
Apr 12 15:09:14 <NuttyBunny> dunno, Greg Roll?
Apr 12 15:09:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh, and Rich even asked me to possibly be on the WOR podcast :)
Apr 12 15:09:32 <halfhalo> dammit.... laptop battery is dead
Apr 12 15:09:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> no, Greg Stoll
Apr 12 15:09:51 <NuttyBunny> no, not the same
Apr 12 15:10:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 12 15:10:26 <Bmyers> sugardave:
Apr 12 15:10:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> hear back from anyone nuttybunny?
Apr 12 15:10:48 <NuttyBunny> about?
Apr 12 15:11:31 * halfhalo grumbles and goes to steal his bosses chargert
Apr 12 15:11:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> didn't you email someone about a compiling issue?
Apr 12 15:12:52 <sugardave> Bmyers:
Apr 12 15:13:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> PatrickC_Pre2:
Apr 12 15:13:18 <NuttyBunny> no,not yet, first I'm trying to match versions with Greg, then I'll try to match versions with Palm, then, when it works with one or the other versions, I'll continue from there... Greg uses a 2008 version of the compiler, I used a 2007 and 2009 versions... so, there's still testing to do
Apr 12 15:13:33 <sugardave> what the hell is up man?!
Apr 12 15:13:37 <NuttyBunny> and all this trouble just to be able to put it on Preware :P
Apr 12 15:13:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 15:17:14 <Bmyers> not too much. you get a new job?
Apr 12 15:18:17 <Bmyers> ( 4 sugardave  ^^)
Apr 12 15:19:19 <sugardave> Bmyers: not yet, but I'm still on the path.  Next stop is Sunnyvale, but I don't know when they want me to come out
Apr 12 15:19:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/1302619431297-9648.jpg
Apr 12 15:20:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ halfhalo :)
Apr 12 15:20:09 <Bmyers> well best of luck to ya if you're willing to trade tornados for earthquakes
Apr 12 15:20:25 <sugardave> heh, I don't have to leave Austin :)
Apr 12 15:20:39 <sugardave> that's the beautifuil part
Apr 12 15:20:43 <Bmyers> sweet.
Apr 12 15:20:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> earthquakes nothin... radioactive water lol
Apr 12 15:21:29 <halfhalo> psh, we here in socal deal with earthquakes, fires, floods, and hippies
Apr 12 15:21:53 <Bmyers> i hate hippies
Apr 12 15:21:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> I dealt with a flood... not fun..
Apr 12 15:22:09 <sugardave> stinkin' hippies
Apr 12 15:22:10 <funkatron> hippies are worse
Apr 12 15:22:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> like it was a "once every 500 yr" flood
Apr 12 15:22:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> no, funkatrons are worse
Apr 12 15:22:24 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks
Apr 12 15:22:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 15:22:39 <funkatron> MEGA BURN
Apr 12 15:22:43 <halfhalo> BAZING
Apr 12 15:23:07 <NuttyBunny> lol
Apr 12 15:23:35 <Bmyers> i've been so far out of webos devel i figured i would drop in and see whats up lately
Apr 12 15:23:46 <swisstomcat> how come?
Apr 12 15:23:50 <sugardave> Bmyers: same ol' song an dance
Apr 12 15:23:57 <sugardave> waiting for Pre 3s and TouchPads
Apr 12 15:24:17 <Bmyers> sugardave:  yeah you looked a little blue in the face. don't hold your breath.
Apr 12 15:24:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> and Enyo
Apr 12 15:24:39 <NuttyBunny> NDAAAAAA!! ;)
Apr 12 15:24:41 * sugardave passes out.
Apr 12 15:24:43 <Bmyers> swisstomcat:  had actual bills to pay
Apr 12 15:24:54 <swisstomcat> true
Apr 12 15:25:11 <Bmyers> sales really fell of the map in the past 6 months
Apr 12 15:25:15 <swisstomcat> same here
Apr 12 15:25:23 <swisstomcat> so what did you work on in the meantime?
Apr 12 15:25:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny: wait, that still applies? :D
Apr 12 15:25:40 <Bmyers> i do small business support for $$
Apr 12 15:25:46 <Bmyers> well, more like $
Apr 12 15:25:46 <halfhalo> see, if you had no sales to begin with you would not have that issue!
Apr 12 15:25:57 <Bmyers> halfhalo:  true..
Apr 12 15:26:06 * PatrickC_Pre2 has no sales.. so no issue :'(
Apr 12 15:26:37 <swisstomcat> bbl
Apr 12 15:26:52 <Bmyers> gotta laugh at folks who expect you to rewrite your app for 2 dollars
Apr 12 15:27:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> what do you mean?
Apr 12 15:27:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> stupid phone...
Apr 12 15:28:14 <Hendikins> If you don't mind me saying, that excuse sounds... phony :P
Apr 12 15:28:19 <phoque> 2.1 on my Pre- is a bit...choppy
Apr 12 15:28:44 <phoque> the animations are fluid and stuff
Apr 12 15:29:03 <sugardave> Hendikins: boo, get off the stage!
Apr 12 15:29:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: what are you running at? (CPU speed)
Apr 12 15:29:46 * Hendikins bows, and exits - stage left even.
Apr 12 15:29:48 <phoque> I tried at 500 and 1000
Apr 12 15:29:55 <phoque> it was choppy on both
Apr 12 15:30:00 <sugardave> arg, stupid meeting is stupid
Apr 12 15:30:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> I run at 1.1, and mines fine
Apr 12 15:30:12 <phoque> and it was getting pretty hot on 1.0
Apr 12 15:30:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://s1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/?action=view&current=1302620127368-19.jpg
Apr 12 15:30:22 * PatrickC_Pre2 points to the computer programmer in pic
Apr 12 15:31:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay metaview
Apr 12 15:34:37 * NuttyBunny needs some color :S
Apr 12 15:35:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 15:36:19 * PatrickC_Pre2 need my Fog Horn app to sell... the other pay-for apps won't be ready for quite a while :/
Apr 12 15:39:44 <MetaView> hiho
Apr 12 15:40:50 * PatrickC_Pre2 thinks it would be really cool to be on the WOR podcast, but I probably won't :/
Apr 12 15:43:02 <phoque> PatrickC_Pre2, you want to make money with a Fog Horn app?
Apr 12 15:43:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> I've made some money with it
Apr 12 15:43:52 <phoque> hm
Apr 12 15:44:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> why?
Apr 12 15:44:41 <phoque> well
Apr 12 15:44:46 <phoque> there are four fog horn apps
Apr 12 15:44:51 <phoque> two of them are free
Apr 12 15:45:01 <phoque> and you download it, press the Horn button once and delete it again
Apr 12 15:45:09 <MetaView> there is a big need for fog horn apps, for sure
Apr 12 15:45:11 <MetaView> ;)
Apr 12 15:45:21 <phoque> I don't think it's that useful
Apr 12 15:45:51 <funkatron> then don't buy it?
Apr 12 15:45:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: mine is more then just a fog horn :)
Apr 12 15:46:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> it has 4 different horns atm, and I'll add more soon
Apr 12 15:46:12 <funkatron> awesome
Apr 12 15:46:14 <phoque> funkatron, that's my point. people won't buy it.
Apr 12 15:46:22 <funkatron> no, you won't buy it
Apr 12 15:46:36 <funkatron> it's a common mistake to apply your personal preference as objective truth
Apr 12 15:47:02 <phoque> yes, I know that
Apr 12 15:47:09 <funkatron> okay, well, don't 8D
Apr 12 15:47:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't buy many apps, just cause I had an issue with my angry birds porting over to my pre (bought it for Pixi, upgraded to Pre) :/
Apr 12 15:48:41 <funkatron> I have trouble getting mad over $2
Apr 12 15:48:45 <funkatron> but hey!
Apr 12 15:48:56 <phoque> I'm just saying he is trying to get into a niche that has cheap apps (with some of his competitors giving them away for free) and all new features he could bring to it is "more than one horn"
Apr 12 15:49:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I'm not looking to make a ton of money with my Fog Horn or Flashlight... the apps in development, now those are a different story :)
Apr 12 15:50:18 <phoque> cool, I'm looking forward to them
Apr 12 15:50:29 <cwayne> i fuckin hate users
Apr 12 15:50:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> cwayne: lol
Apr 12 15:50:38 <phoque> oh and you should devote more time in your icon
Apr 12 15:50:48 <phoque> :-)
Apr 12 15:50:56 <cwayne> 0 star review " WORST APP EVER!!!!!!!!"
Apr 12 15:50:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: for the fog horn, or flashlight? :)
Apr 12 15:50:58 <cwayne> i doubt that
Apr 12 15:51:11 <phoque>  PatrickC_Pre2: fog horn
Apr 12 15:51:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 12 15:51:15 <phoque> it's just a white box with a horn
Apr 12 15:51:28 <phoque> cwayne, wich one?
Apr 12 15:51:29 <phoque> :-)
Apr 12 15:51:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> I kinda dropped development on all my old (Ares) apps
Apr 12 15:51:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm using the SDK now, and stinking :p
Apr 12 15:52:05 <phoque> sorry guys I'm not trying to bash you, just give you some ideas to ponder upon
Apr 12 15:52:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> but, one of my apps that is in production is open source on github and you can take a look if you like :)
Apr 12 15:52:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> no, its fine :)
Apr 12 15:52:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> I like constructive criticism :)
Apr 12 15:52:35 <phoque> PatrickC_Pre2, hit me up!
Apr 12 15:52:48 <funkatron> phoque, how are your apps going
Apr 12 15:52:49 <funkatron> ?
Apr 12 15:53:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: here it is github.com/patrickc14/cloudnav
Apr 12 15:53:28 <phoque> funkatron, well...
Apr 12 15:53:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> I hit a little speed bump though... it uses a SVG wrapper I believe on the maps...
Apr 12 15:53:48 <phoque> the UI is mostly done and looking good
Apr 12 15:53:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://github.com/patrickc14/cloudnav *
Apr 12 15:54:05 <funkatron> cool
Apr 12 15:54:05 <phoque> but the guy who was supposed to give me access to his API now doesn't
Apr 12 15:54:09 <funkatron> ahh
Apr 12 15:54:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> that stinks...
Apr 12 15:54:25 <phoque> we're having a debate about that
Apr 12 15:54:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> Hulu is gonna let me know when I an have access to their API :)
Apr 12 15:54:42 <phoque> he wanted to have total control over the style and features
Apr 12 15:54:53 <phoque> yet I had to do it in my spare time
Apr 12 15:54:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's another app that's *under development* but at a standstill :/
Apr 12 15:55:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm a 15 yr old dev :) its all done in my spare time lol
Apr 12 15:55:22 <phoque> wow, cool
Apr 12 15:56:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I also have to figure out cookies before I cam move any further in pretty much any apps ;)
Apr 12 15:56:40 <phoque> oh that one's easy
Apr 12 15:56:45 <phoque> hangon a sec
Apr 12 15:56:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know it is :)
Apr 12 15:56:54 <MetaView> but?
Apr 12 15:56:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just haven't had the time to do it yet
Apr 12 15:57:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, do it on a *real* computer....
Apr 12 15:58:54 <phoque> I don't follow
Apr 12 15:59:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> I mainly dev on an old laptop without internet access
Apr 12 15:59:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> and test on-device
Apr 12 15:59:38 <phoque> ugh
Apr 12 15:59:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave yells at me to get a real laptop, but I can't right now, unless he sends me the money :)
Apr 12 16:00:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> I do have an internet-accesible computer I can use sometimes (when I'm done with homework)
Apr 12 16:00:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I have my pre/pre+/pre2 most the time
Apr 12 16:01:20 <phoque> you parents don't want to sponsor your dev career?
Apr 12 16:01:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, its not really a career for me, its just fun
Apr 12 16:02:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm going to be a Pastor when I graduate college
Apr 12 16:02:14 <phoque> hah, seriously?
Apr 12 16:02:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> but software has always interested me
Apr 12 16:02:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Apr 12 16:02:23 <phoque> thats a fun mix
Apr 12 16:02:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> I run sound/cameras at my church
Apr 12 16:03:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> and my old church own a radio station that I help sometimes too
Apr 12 16:03:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I've got a small background in web dev, so I decided to try webOS, and they're free too :)
Apr 12 16:04:31 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: I can picture it now, Pastor Patrick whipping out his smartphone, with custom made apps for managing all the sound and cameras
Apr 12 16:04:47 <phoque> hehe
Apr 12 16:04:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 16:05:15 <phoque> PatrickC_Pre2, you're 15yrs old and already know what you'll be doing when you graduate college (wich is in like 10-15 years)?
Apr 12 16:05:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I need to learn to code before I can whip out the custom apps :p
Apr 12 16:05:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: well, a Pastor, Youth Pastor, Music Leader, or Assistant Pastor
Apr 12 16:05:58 * cwayne is graduating college and 2 weeks and has no fucking clue
Apr 12 16:06:15 <cwayne> in* wow im fucking tired
Apr 12 16:06:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 16:06:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> what are you studying??
Apr 12 16:06:47 <phoque> cwayne, same here
Apr 12 16:07:15 <cwayne> PatrickC_Pre2: dual major information science + business
Apr 12 16:07:19 * PatrickC_Pre2 is just trying to pass 9th grade right now :p
Apr 12 16:07:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> cwayne: cool
Apr 12 16:07:48 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't like science that much... its boring to me lol
Apr 12 16:08:02 <cwayne> everythings boring til college
Apr 12 16:08:19 <phoque> everything is boring in college
Apr 12 16:08:30 <cwayne> phoque: meh
Apr 12 16:08:40 <cwayne> phoque: where you graduating from
Apr 12 16:08:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 16:08:56 * Popple3 is graduating college in a year and a month-ish
Apr 12 16:08:59 <phoque> "where" as in "what city and country"?
Apr 12 16:09:07 <Popple3> then going back for more! :P
Apr 12 16:09:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> Popple3: lol
Apr 12 16:09:25 <cwayne> phoque: school
Apr 12 16:09:37 <phoque> cwayne, University of Erlangen-Nürnberg
Apr 12 16:09:37 <phoque> :-D
Apr 12 16:09:53 <MetaView> oh, Germany
Apr 12 16:09:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's in another country isn't it :p
Apr 12 16:10:02 <phoque> probably
Apr 12 16:10:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 is US :)
Apr 12 16:10:03 <phoque> :-P
Apr 12 16:10:45 * cwayne just wants to fucking graduate and start work
Apr 12 16:10:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 16:11:08 <Popple3> cwayne: I can't wait to finish work so I can go back to college :P
Apr 12 16:11:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 16:11:18 <NuttyBunny> cwayne: You don't know what you're saying
Apr 12 16:11:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I can't wait to finish 9th grade!
Apr 12 16:11:43 <cwayne> NuttyBunny: lol i do, we have co-ops here where we work full time for 6 mo's at a time
Apr 12 16:11:50 <cwayne> i have a pretty good idea of the real world
Apr 12 16:12:00 <NuttyBunny> I just want to go back to school :D
Apr 12 16:12:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's the real world? bigger computers and programs?
Apr 12 16:12:34 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: Requirements and deadlines
Apr 12 16:12:41 * PatrickC_Pre2 hides
Apr 12 16:13:51 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: That said, I actually don't have any deadlines in work
Apr 12 16:14:04 <Popple3> and my only requirements were literally written on a napkin
Apr 12 16:14:05 * cwayne has more deadlines in school
Apr 12 16:14:06 <cwayne> lol
Apr 12 16:14:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 16:15:30 <cwayne> i also already know where i'm working, so that helps
Apr 12 16:15:53 <Popple3> Yup, that's how the worlds largest vendor of telecommunications equipment works, napkin requirements :P
Apr 12 16:18:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol, what company?
Apr 12 16:18:12 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: Ericsson
Apr 12 16:18:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> really? cool
Apr 12 16:18:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> they partner with Sony, right?
Apr 12 16:18:36 <Popple3> I'm there on 6 months placement, could roll over to 8 months
Apr 12 16:18:57 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: Well, Sony Ericsson is run as a separate business entity to Ericsson
Apr 12 16:19:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 12 16:19:09 <Popple3> Ericsson provide the equipment and software for mobile phone networks
Apr 12 16:19:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay chuqui
Apr 12 16:19:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Apr 12 16:19:34 <chuqui> hey hey, morning.
Apr 12 16:20:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> you've seen the forum bug I assume :)
Apr 12 16:20:36 <Popple3> right, well I'm off to get ready for a driving lesson. Adiós
Apr 12 16:20:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> driving lesson? have fun!
Apr 12 16:20:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya
Apr 12 16:20:57 <madnificent> enjoy Popple3, it's fun
Apr 12 16:21:04 <NuttyBunny> Hey Chuqui :)
Apr 12 16:21:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent!! hi
Apr 12 16:21:19 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: !!!! hi!
Apr 12 16:21:20 <phoque> in need moaarr micro USB cables
Apr 12 16:21:23 <madnificent> LoL, what's up?
Apr 12 16:21:30 <Popple3> madnificent: This is my 4th lesson now, 1st 2 were fun, then I got into a different car for the 3rd. That didn't go so well :P
Apr 12 16:21:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> popple3: lol
Apr 12 16:21:51 <phoque> it's annoying to plug it in and out of the touchstone every time I want to try something on my phone
Apr 12 16:21:55 <madnificent> phoque: I bought one which doesn't allow for data transfer...  somehow it's broken... 5 euros for a cable of 10cm long or less and it has a freaking bug in it
Apr 12 16:22:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: not much.. just school lol
Apr 12 16:22:11 <phoque> madnificent, hah
Apr 12 16:22:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: amazon :)
Apr 12 16:22:19 <sugardave> I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I say!  PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't like science?  Somebody call the news.
Apr 12 16:22:22 <madnificent> Popple3: takes some time to get used to it.  I learned when I was small, it's easier tehn.
Apr 12 16:22:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> full charger set, like $5
Apr 12 16:22:29 <phoque> no wai, Amazon is way too expensive
Apr 12 16:22:32 <NuttyBunny> phoque: dealextreme.com
Apr 12 16:22:37 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: ah, so I'm exciting because everything around you is boring ^_^
Apr 12 16:22:39 <NuttyBunny> free shipping
Apr 12 16:22:39 <chuqui> PatrickC_Pre2:  yeah, they're working on it.
Apr 12 16:22:41 <madnificent> what do you study PatrickC_Pre2?
Apr 12 16:22:49 <Popple3> phoque: I think I have about 8 or 9 microUSB cables lying around :P
Apr 12 16:22:49 <sugardave> hahaha
Apr 12 16:22:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: 9th grade lol
Apr 12 16:23:04 <phoque> Popple3, you live just around the corner from here, right?
Apr 12 16:23:05 <phoque> :-D
Apr 12 16:23:09 * madnificent doesn't know the american system
Apr 12 16:23:21 <phoque> madnificent, he's in school
Apr 12 16:23:21 <Popple3> phoque: That depends, where's "here"? :P
Apr 12 16:23:28 <phoque> Germany
Apr 12 16:23:29 <phoque> :-)
Apr 12 16:23:31 <cwayne> madnificent: 9th grade == nothing pretty much
Apr 12 16:23:33 <sugardave> madnificent: he's home-schooled, and not the good kind
Apr 12 16:23:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> Algebra 1, English 1, Biology, World Geography, New Testament Survey
Apr 12 16:24:01 <phoque> booooooring
Apr 12 16:24:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know.. lol
Apr 12 16:24:21 * halfhalo misses the easyness of middle/highschool computer classes...
Apr 12 16:24:42 <phoque> Cellular Network Communication, Channelcoding, Computergraphics and Analysis and Visualization of Medical Data
Apr 12 16:24:45 <phoque> :-)
Apr 12 16:24:48 <madnificent> LoL
Apr 12 16:25:08 <Popple3> phoque: If you're willing to pay for the bus to the airport, the flights and then some form of transport to you, sure, you can have a microUSB cable :P
Apr 12 16:25:11 <madnificent> halfhalo: I hated it
Apr 12 16:25:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002ITKQKU?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1
Apr 12 16:25:20 <madnificent> halfhalo: you had to be there... and that was more than enough to ask
Apr 12 16:25:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: see link :)
Apr 12 16:25:38 <phoque> wow
Apr 12 16:25:40 <phoque> that's a great deal
Apr 12 16:25:50 <phoque> plus 100$ shipping... not anymore
Apr 12 16:25:51 <phoque> ;-)
Apr 12 16:26:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> $100 shipping? it shows free for me...
Apr 12 16:26:17 <phoque> not to Germany
Apr 12 16:26:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh yeah.. overseas shipping is expensive lol
Apr 12 16:26:26 <halfhalo> madnificent: my high school computer classes consisted of me doing a project that should have taken two weeks in a day and then playing starcraft the rest of the time
Apr 12 16:26:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: lol
Apr 12 16:26:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: I didn't think shipping would be that much...
Apr 12 16:27:04 <madnificent> halfhalo: cool, but you still had to be *there* didn't you?
Apr 12 16:27:18 <halfhalo> my senior year I had a two hour webmaster class that was pretty much all starcraft
Apr 12 16:27:29 <madnificent> phoque: europe's a bitch when it comes to shipping costs, or so it seems
Apr 12 16:27:38 <halfhalo> madnificent: yeah... but I got food and slept in class as well due to an off campus lunch pass
Apr 12 16:28:00 <Popple3> PatrickC_Pre2: €48.70 shipping for me O_O
Apr 12 16:28:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow... trying to use the German version of amazon is impossible for me :p
Apr 12 16:28:17 <halfhalo> heh... I once brought about 10 large pizzas on campus and got yelled at by one of the vice principles... good times...
Apr 12 16:28:18 <madnificent> halfhalo: lucky you :D
Apr 12 16:28:19 <phoque> PatrickC_Pre2, heh
Apr 12 16:28:52 <Popple3> right, I'm off for real this time
Apr 12 16:28:52 <Popple3> lol
Apr 12 16:28:54 <halfhalo> madnificent: I was one of those people who just wandered around campus some classes because I could.
Apr 12 16:28:58 <Popple3> later!
Apr 12 16:29:03 <phoque> Popple3, cya!
Apr 12 16:29:55 <phoque> PatrickC_Pre2, the point I was trying to get to was: You'll never know where you'll end up. Especially when you're still in Highschool or College/Uni
Apr 12 16:30:19 <phoque> things start changing so fast it'll make your head spin :-)
Apr 12 16:30:21 <madnificent> incf phoque
Apr 12 16:30:37 <phoque> madnificent, sorry?
Apr 12 16:30:47 <madnificent> phoque++ << that, but in a sane language
Apr 12 16:30:58 <phoque> ah, Ok
Apr 12 16:31:07 <phoque> never heard of "incf" :-D
Apr 12 16:31:27 <sugardave> madnificent is some kind of elitist or something :P
Apr 12 16:31:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I know that I'm gonna be in some form of full tome Christian service :)
Apr 12 16:31:45 <madnificent> phoque: lisp, you're supposed to never read, see, or learn it :)
Apr 12 16:31:52 <madnificent> sugardave: frustrated, more than anything ;-)
Apr 12 16:31:58 <phoque> oh, right :-)
Apr 12 16:32:05 <phoque> PatrickC_Pre2, that's what my brother said
Apr 12 16:32:19 <phoque> he studied theology
Apr 12 16:32:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> and??
Apr 12 16:32:28 <phoque> and is now doing a international business administration master
Apr 12 16:32:30 <phoque> :-D
Apr 12 16:32:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow.. lol
Apr 12 16:34:04 <sugardave> oh yeah, 50 years since Yuri Gregarin penetrated virgin space
Apr 12 16:34:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Apr 12 16:34:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> google told me that :p
Apr 12 16:34:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> with their ever-changing icon
Apr 12 16:37:50 <phoque> OK, I've ordered two micro USB cables on eBay now
Apr 12 16:38:04 <phoque> 1,80 EUR each, free shipping, that should do it
Apr 12 16:40:10 <madnificent> phoque: free shipping to europe?
Apr 12 16:40:21 <phoque> free shipping within germany
Apr 12 16:40:28 <madnificent> bleh
Apr 12 16:40:57 <NuttyBunny> phoque: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-retractable-charging-cable-for-htc-desire-hd-desire-hd2-google-nexus-one-57221
Apr 12 16:41:51 <phoque> NuttyBunny, I don't live in the US
Apr 12 16:42:04 <NuttyBunny> me neither
Apr 12 16:42:20 <NuttyBunny> dealextreme policy is free shipping everywhere:D
Apr 12 16:42:24 <phoque> oh
Apr 12 16:42:26 <phoque> crazy
Apr 12 16:42:33 <NuttyBunny> yup
Apr 12 16:43:03 <NuttyBunny> most ship from HK, and may take a while to arrive, but there are some good deals
Apr 12 16:43:58 <NuttyBunny> I got 2 wii remotes, 2 wii motion plus, and 2 nunchucks (generic, not original, but they work the same) for about $25
Apr 12 16:48:20 * madnificent checks dealextreme then :)
Apr 12 16:48:57 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: thebookdepository has free shipping for books, it's also nice to use.  You see a price, and that's just it.  It's not + extra costs for whatnot
Apr 12 16:49:26 <NuttyBunny> ah, nice!!!
Apr 12 16:51:21 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: and dealextreme is cool :D
Apr 12 16:53:46 * madnificent orders something to try it out
Apr 12 16:54:21 <madnificent> car cigarette lighters are the same across the globe, right?
Apr 12 16:54:43 <NuttyBunny> Yep, 12 volts, but the two I've bought won't drive the touchstone
Apr 12 16:55:45 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: hmmm, difficult choice then...
Apr 12 16:56:56 <NuttyBunny> madnificent: Yep, you should buy the car adapters from a trustworthy source. There was a guy selling a lot of car and wall chargers on P|C
Apr 12 16:58:04 <NuttyBunny> CCNP ROUTE 642-902 Official Certification Guide: $43... not exactly cheap, but as it's with the shipping included I might order it...
Apr 12 16:58:35 <madnificent> CCNP ROUTE what?
Apr 12 16:58:48 * madnificent continues coding, no time for this!
Apr 12 17:00:52 <NuttyBunny> hehehe... Cisco stuff :)
Apr 12 17:02:39 <NuttyBunny> well, 7-10 working days is not that much, as a matter of fact it's quite acceptable!
Apr 12 17:04:48 <NuttyBunny> mmm... it's not that cheap... a medical book is a bit more expensive than here in Mexico :S   (about 10%)
Apr 12 17:08:36 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: AFAICT their pricing is more than fair.  However, I have to compare it to prices of the european amazon, which does add shipping costs
Apr 12 17:09:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> are you an Amazon Prime member?
Apr 12 17:09:41 <madnificent> nope, I don't think I ever bought something from Amazon
Apr 12 17:10:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok.. prime is nice :)
Apr 12 17:10:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> most things on there are prime, and prime == free 2 day shipping
Apr 12 17:10:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> or $4.99 overnight
Apr 12 17:11:54 <madnificent> cool
Apr 12 17:12:04 <madnificent> what does it cost to become prime?
Apr 12 17:12:13 <funkatron> $75 a year I htink?
Apr 12 17:12:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> $75 a year I believe
Apr 12 17:13:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> but it pays for itself if you use amazon a lot
Apr 12 17:13:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> and like 5000-10,000 free moves on-demand
Apr 12 17:18:13 <dawm|laptop> slowly progressing
Apr 12 17:18:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> yay!!
Apr 12 17:18:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 17:19:41 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: that's more than I pay for shipping in a year, I think... I don't buy that many things online
Apr 12 17:19:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> we do lol
Apr 12 17:22:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow.. we had tonatic winds yesterday and a ton of rain... now there's no clouds in the sky :p
Apr 12 17:38:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> you an dev in C++ for webos right?
Apr 12 17:46:48 <NuttyBunny> madnificent: You can "try" amazon prime at least 2 times, for one month, you can cancel it before they charge for it
Apr 12 17:46:58 <funkatron> yerp
Apr 12 17:47:18 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: heh, cool, I could exploit that
Apr 12 17:47:36 <NuttyBunny> Yep, I've done it twice :D
Apr 12 17:47:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 17:48:12 <summatusmentis> madnificent: or if you have a .edu email adress there's amazon prime student
Apr 12 17:48:22 <summatusmentis> which gets you amazon prime for a year for free
Apr 12 17:49:06 <dohtem> :(
Apr 12 17:49:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> summatusmentis: I didn't know that, cool! :)
Apr 12 17:49:14 * dohtem has paid twice for Prime
Apr 12 17:49:17 <dohtem> worth it tho
Apr 12 17:49:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes it is
Apr 12 17:49:52 <NuttyBunny> On thebookdepository.com, after selecting Palm Pre as a reading device: "We are sorry to inform you that we do not sell any eBooks for your selected reader. " <--- bah
Apr 12 17:49:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> you watch the free movies on there?
Apr 12 17:50:28 <summatusmentis> PatrickC_Pre2: yeah, google for it
Apr 12 17:50:36 <madnificent> summatusmentis: I don't
Apr 12 17:50:45 <summatusmentis> madnificent: ah, sorry
Apr 12 17:50:58 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: mail them about it ^_^
Apr 12 17:51:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: there is Amazon Mom that has amazon prime with it :)
Apr 12 17:51:10 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks
Apr 12 17:51:17 <madnificent> LoL
Apr 12 17:52:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Apr 12 17:52:50 <NuttyBunny> IMPULSE BUY!! :D   hehehe... anyway, I need the book, I'm sick of reading pdf's on the computer or in my ebook reader
Apr 12 17:53:07 <NuttyBunny> Now, let's send that email :D
Apr 12 17:53:17 <summatusmentis> NuttyBunny: PDFs on my Kindle DX are nice
Apr 12 17:53:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would rather read them on my touchpad
Apr 12 17:53:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> I love the thing :)
Apr 12 17:54:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> wait... I forgot, I'm not suppose to say I got one...
Apr 12 17:54:09 <summatusmentis> I really, really want a touchpad
Apr 12 17:54:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/touchpad/ipad/
Apr 12 17:54:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Apr 12 17:54:39 <NuttyBunny> Yes, on my reader (Libre ebook reader) look fine also, but the speed... you can't match a book speed with any device ;)
Apr 12 17:54:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 17:56:14 <NuttyBunny> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhcPX1wVp38   <--- To illustrate my point
Apr 12 17:56:58 <summatusmentis> is there an API for multi-touch events?
Apr 12 17:57:15 <summatusmentis> or for direct reading of touch events?
Apr 12 17:58:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> not sure
Apr 12 18:00:10 <summatusmentis> well, how does CarbonWebOS have the super-swipe (or whatever they call it)
Apr 12 18:00:28 <pandora--> is there any way to move synergy calendar data to google calendar account?
Apr 12 18:00:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> isn't carbon open source?
Apr 12 18:00:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> pandora-- not sure
Apr 12 18:01:41 <summatusmentis> I don't think it's open source
Apr 12 18:01:52 <funkatron> open source is a dumb idea
Apr 12 18:02:14 <summatusmentis> how so?
Apr 12 18:02:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> funkatron hates open source and would never open source anything
Apr 12 18:02:56 <dohtem> summatusmentis: power scroll?
Apr 12 18:03:00 <funkatron> suuuuuks
Apr 12 18:03:35 <summatusmentis> dohtem: sure, that
Apr 12 18:03:47 <dohtem> summatusmentis: http://pastebin.com/6JqcQT4a
Apr 12 18:03:54 <dohtem> from JayCanuck
Apr 12 18:04:05 <dawm|laptop> yay
Apr 12 18:04:10 <dawm|laptop> it closes when i hit q
Apr 12 18:04:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> q?
Apr 12 18:04:56 <summatusmentis> dohtem: cool, so then can you expand it and recognize different gestures?
Apr 12 18:05:03 <NuttyBunny> q
Apr 12 18:05:06 <dawm|laptop> quit
Apr 12 18:05:15 <NuttyBunny> mine doesn't close
Apr 12 18:05:15 <NuttyBunny> q
Apr 12 18:06:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> AT&T Facilitating webOS 3.0 Training @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/04/att-facilitating-webos-3-0-training/
Apr 12 18:06:56 <dawm|laptop> lol NuttyBunny
Apr 12 18:07:00 <dawm|laptop> my pdk app does
Apr 12 18:07:09 <dawm|laptop> trying to get the basics figured out
Apr 12 18:07:24 <NuttyBunny> cool
Apr 12 18:07:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm|laptop: I'm always open for beta when ready :)
Apr 12 18:08:11 <dohtem> summatusmentis: http://beckism.com/2011/02/power-scrolling-webos/  <- here's a breakdown of how it works
Apr 12 18:09:57 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC_Pre2 will beta test anything that appears in his path ;)
Apr 12 18:10:05 <dawm|laptop> c++ doesnt seem too bad, just alot of stupid syntax
Apr 12 18:10:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny is right lol
Apr 12 18:10:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> even if it could brick my device :D
Apr 12 18:10:50 <funkatron> Here's the power scrolly junk in Spaz https://github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos/blob/master/app/assistants/stage-assistant.js#L32
Apr 12 18:11:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> I love risk, cause risk sometimes == rewards
Apr 12 18:11:26 <dohtem> funkatron: spaz uses power scroll? I had no idea
Apr 12 18:12:33 <funkatron> I think Tibfibput it in
Apr 12 18:12:52 <summatusmentis> dohtem: intriguing, thanks
Apr 12 18:14:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> TibFib is just awesome lol
Apr 12 18:14:15 <funkatron> yes he is
Apr 12 18:14:30 <dohtem> awesomely awesome!
Apr 12 18:18:43 <cwayne> woo
Apr 12 18:18:54 * cwayne finally got the official job offer for post-graduation
Apr 12 18:19:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> where? and awesome!!
Apr 12 18:19:53 <cwayne> canonical
Apr 12 18:21:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> they are a software place?
Apr 12 18:21:49 <NuttyBunny> Canonical = Ubuntu :)
Apr 12 18:22:02 <NuttyBunny> Congratulations!
Apr 12 18:22:04 <cwayne> NuttyBunny: yarp
Apr 12 18:22:07 <cwayne> thanks!
Apr 12 18:22:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesomeness!!
Apr 12 18:23:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, you'll work for Ubuntu in other words (or the parent company)
Apr 12 18:23:33 <cwayne> yea
Apr 12 18:23:38 <cwayne> already do part-time
Apr 12 18:23:39 <cwayne> lol
Apr 12 18:23:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesome!
Apr 12 18:23:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I like ubuntu, but not enough to make it my main OS
Apr 12 18:24:31 * PatrickC_Pre2 runs 11.04 in his trusty VBox
Apr 12 18:24:49 <RagingMind> I tried Ubuntu for a couple years on my laptop... got too frustrated and went back to Debian
Apr 12 18:25:04 * NuttyBunny runs Windows XP in his trusty VBox :P
Apr 12 18:25:29 <cwayne> RagingMind: its SO much better than it was when i started with it
Apr 12 18:26:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny: why not wine?
Apr 12 18:26:00 <RagingMind> I have XP in a VBox and I have it on a machine that I keep in the closet unless I need to pull it out for something
Apr 12 18:26:19 * NuttyBunny ran one of the early versions of slackware... I still remember... X-windows: 12 floppies
Apr 12 18:26:24 <RagingMind> cwayne, my switch back to debian on my laptop was just a few months ago
Apr 12 18:26:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have a XP, Vista, and 7 machine
Apr 12 18:26:49 <NuttyBunny> Patrickc_Pre2: Crossover works most of the time, but there are several things that just don't run properly :(
Apr 12 18:27:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> that stinks, then why not 7? or dual boot?
Apr 12 18:27:19 <dohtem> NuttyBunny: ha! then fluxbox came and it was the bomb!
Apr 12 18:27:26 <NuttyBunny> for example, it's been 3 minutes and word is still saving a file
Apr 12 18:27:55 <NuttyBunny> dothem: I still remember, exporting my AIX display to my PC, over a modem connection :D
Apr 12 18:27:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny: in the vbox or wine?
Apr 12 18:28:17 <NuttyBunny> wine (crossover), word is stuck :@
Apr 12 18:28:36 <dohtem> why did you run AIX? for work or school?
Apr 12 18:28:36 <NuttyBunny> bah, I don't care, the deadline is thursday and it's almost finished
Apr 12 18:29:04 <NuttyBunny> AIX in school, linux at home, we were running a mud back then
Apr 12 18:30:05 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes that Universe could still be my stock browser
Apr 12 18:45:02 <dohtem> yay, forum phpBB errors are gone!
Apr 12 18:45:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> I didn't realize it, but they are :)
Apr 12 18:46:06 <dohtem> avatars dont seem to be loading tho
Apr 12 18:47:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> the avatars never load for me
Apr 12 18:56:31 <phoque> Is it normal that the scrim gif is not spinning? :-)
Apr 12 18:56:46 <phoque> when the device is under heavy load (loading a 3MB JSON file)
Apr 12 18:58:39 <halfhalo> this, this is why I do not like services
Apr 12 18:58:49 <halfhalo> I cannot for the life of me get logging to work
Apr 12 18:59:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 just uses palm-log -f
Apr 12 18:59:22 <halfhalo> services, not applications
Apr 12 18:59:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 12 18:59:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> doesn't lumberjack do that?
Apr 12 19:00:21 <halfhalo> thats not whats wrong, its the fact that nothing is actually _making_ it to the log
Apr 12 19:00:35 <sugardave> halfhalo: you're doing it worng
Apr 12 19:00:42 <sugardave> wrong, too
Apr 12 19:00:56 <halfhalo> duh
Apr 12 19:01:00 <halfhalo> WHY IS THIS NOT WORKING
Apr 12 19:02:47 <NuttyBunny> framework_config.json  also works with services? (I don't know)
Apr 12 19:05:58 <halfhalo> it should, but any console.log statements just do not show up at all from the service
Apr 12 19:06:24 <NuttyBunny> weird :(
Apr 12 19:06:41 * NuttyBunny doesn't do services, so can't help... :S
Apr 12 19:07:00 <madnificent> halfhalo: it hates you
Apr 12 19:07:26 <halfhalo> I know
Apr 12 19:07:40 <sugardave> halfhalo: where are you looking fore them?
Apr 12 19:07:55 <halfhalo> both palm-log and /var/log/messages
Apr 12 19:07:59 <sugardave> nyet
Apr 12 19:08:06 <sugardave> unless they changed something
Apr 12 19:08:13 <halfhalo> goddamnit... where
Apr 12 19:08:15 <sugardave> you have to run the service by hand with -d
Apr 12 19:08:25 <sugardave> and then you can see your fancy logging messages
Apr 12 19:08:30 <sugardave> I think it's -d
Apr 12 19:08:34 <sugardave> might be -k
Apr 12 19:08:37 <halfhalo> ok, now to find the damn service
Apr 12 19:08:41 <sugardave> yeah
Apr 12 19:09:12 <sugardave> there's a special way to run them, and now I can't remember...I have a thread about it on the dev forum
Apr 12 19:10:20 <dawm|laptop> Mouse Button Down? true (154,266)
Apr 12 19:10:25 <dawm|laptop> err
Apr 12 19:10:47 <NuttyBunny> cool
Apr 12 19:11:09 <NuttyBunny> I'm pretty sure that's the way SDL interprets the screen taps
Apr 12 19:11:19 * PatrickC_Pre2 is playing dawm|laptop's game right now :)
Apr 12 19:11:23 <sugardave> halfhalo: hmm, one user reports log messages in /var/log/messages
Apr 12 19:11:31 <sugardave> anyway: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=10169
Apr 12 19:11:34 <sugardave> go through there
Apr 12 19:11:38 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC_Pre2: hah yah the crappy sdk version =/
Apr 12 19:11:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep :)
Apr 12 19:11:48 <dawm|laptop> im slowly getting to the drawing portion
Apr 12 19:12:01 <dawm|laptop> ill have to rebuild my prototype object as a class.. thats gonna be a pain
Apr 12 19:12:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll be waiting on the new beta to get more user feedback
Apr 12 19:14:28 <dawm|laptop> sucks tho, i have no idea how im gonna do the twitter stuff now, c++ is still confusing ;p
Apr 12 19:14:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> what did you need twitter stuff for?
Apr 12 19:14:56 <NuttyBunny> don't you dare to make it hybrid ;)
Apr 12 19:15:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Apr 12 19:15:22 <dawm|laptop> no i want 1.4.5 compat so no hybrid
Apr 12 19:15:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> then it would gain app cat approval sometime in 2099
Apr 12 19:15:31 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Apr 12 19:15:34 <NuttyBunny> exactly! :D
Apr 12 19:15:41 <dawm|laptop> twitter for score/achievement spam
Apr 12 19:15:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> if you were lucky :p
Apr 12 19:15:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: facebook too :)
Apr 12 19:16:18 <halfhalo> ok... where the hell are apps stored again?
Apr 12 19:16:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> you should make a desktop version and launch it on FB
Apr 12 19:16:21 <NuttyBunny> You can open a browser URL from PDL apps...
Apr 12 19:16:25 <halfhalo> Its been to long since I have done this stuff
Apr 12 19:16:36 <sugardave> halfhalo: /media/cryptofs
Apr 12 19:16:40 <NuttyBunny> apps? /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications  ??
Apr 12 19:16:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny: nice :)
Apr 12 19:17:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> PDL?
Apr 12 19:17:24 <sugardave> halfhalo: I think services are in a different location under /media/cryptofs
Apr 12 19:17:24 <dawm|laptop> NuttyBunny: yeah you can pop a browser card, but no way to grab the key thats generated after approval
Apr 12 19:17:54 <NuttyBunny> dawm|laptop mmm... you could make the user type in the key :S
Apr 12 19:18:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 19:18:09 <dawm|laptop> well i could do the pin thing
Apr 12 19:18:17 <dawm|laptop> but then id have to make a gui
Apr 12 19:18:21 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC_Pre2: PDK -> SDL for webOS (Simple Directmedia Layer)
Apr 12 19:18:25 <NuttyBunny> yep.. sucks :S
Apr 12 19:18:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> will it not have a gui?
Apr 12 19:18:48 <NuttyBunny> or you could just leave out the twitter/facebook for the time being ;)
Apr 12 19:18:48 <dawm|laptop> there is no predetermined gui for pdk
Apr 12 19:18:59 <dawm|laptop> you have to make it all from scratch
Apr 12 19:19:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 12 19:19:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> sounds..... fun
Apr 12 19:19:38 <maik> of all of the fun things i can think of at the moment, that is nowhere on the list
Apr 12 19:19:42 <halfhalo> uggg.... there is a service directory but run-js-service says invalid path... gah
Apr 12 19:19:54 <RagingMind> there are libraries you could load to help make a gui
Apr 12 19:20:11 <dawm|laptop> no clue how to do so
Apr 12 19:20:21 <dawm|laptop> im sorta winging it in c++ right now
Apr 12 19:20:34 <maik> libs are for sissies!  write it yourself!
Apr 12 19:20:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 wings it in JS
Apr 12 19:20:47 <halfhalo> screw it, plan B: use fs module and write my own long
Apr 12 19:22:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay cwayne
Apr 12 19:24:03 <sugardave> halfhalo: you're still doing it wrong...I think you run-js-service on the directory itself, but now I can't remember
Apr 12 19:25:02 <cwayne> PatrickC_Pre2: yo
Apr 12 19:26:03 <NuttyBunny> Phew... more than 500 pages of documentation... At least I only do the electronic part, the other guys will be printing it and putting it inside a nice folder to deliver it to the customer :D
Apr 12 19:26:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow.. lol
Apr 12 19:27:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm|laptop: you did swap&drop?
Apr 12 19:28:32 <halfhalo> wtf? what is this debugger port crap?
Apr 12 19:31:27 <maik> it's a port that the debugger connects on, but that's not important right now
Apr 12 19:32:12 <halfhalo> OH GOD ITS WORKING
Apr 12 19:32:51 <sugardave> halfhalo: lies
Apr 12 19:34:59 <halfhalo> always a possibility, yes
Apr 12 19:35:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: how's the puppy?
Apr 12 19:36:29 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC_Pre2:  yes my first app
Apr 12 19:36:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> its nice, was that SDK?
Apr 12 19:36:46 <dawm|laptop> its horribly coded too
Apr 12 19:36:49 <dawm|laptop> sdk yes
Apr 12 19:36:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> it was smooth though
Apr 12 19:37:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> and fun
Apr 12 19:38:25 <sugardave> Adora: you need to invite John to your floor for a beer, he is jealous
Apr 12 19:38:53 <Adora> wha?
Apr 12 19:39:28 <sugardave> he said he is jealous of the beer taps in your kitchen on your floor
Apr 12 19:39:39 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 12 19:41:08 <Adora> those haven't been filled since ed colligan was ceo, I think
Apr 12 19:41:46 <sugardave> Adora: ah, well that sucks
Apr 12 20:03:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> baseball game tonight
Apr 12 20:03:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
Apr 12 20:38:37 <Tibfib> sugardave: you in sunnyvale then?
Apr 12 20:45:46 <sugardave> Tibfib: no, I was reading tweets
Apr 12 20:45:57 <sugardave> still haven't heard when they want me there :)
Apr 12 20:46:05 <Tibfib> sugardave: ah, lame
Apr 12 20:46:11 <Tibfib> (that you haven't heard yet)
Apr 12 20:46:18 <sugardave> yeah
Apr 12 20:46:28 <sugardave> they need to hire some more hiring people ;)
Apr 12 20:46:32 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 12 20:46:35 <Tibfib> hahaa
Apr 12 21:02:57 * Popple3 waves
Apr 12 21:04:37 * NuttyBunny waves back
Apr 12 21:04:59 * Popple3 waves back manically, desperate for human interaction
Apr 12 21:06:18 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Apr 12 21:06:37 <sugardave> you can pay for that, you know?
Apr 12 21:06:52 <NuttyBunny> ROFL
Apr 12 21:07:01 <Popple3> actually, that's a lie, I always use the self service checkouts at Tesco, human interaction is overrated :P
Apr 12 21:07:08 <sugardave> heh
Apr 12 21:07:35 <NuttyBunny> You can always serve yourself ;)
Apr 12 21:08:04 * Popple3 checks that he's definitely in #webos
Apr 12 21:10:42 <NuttyBunny> oh man, I always get a smile when someone mentions my favorite phone OS and I think of the implications in spanish ;)
Apr 12 21:11:39 <Popple3> Google Translate has failed me
Apr 12 21:12:14 <sugardave> webos ~= juevos
Apr 12 21:12:15 <NuttyBunny> webos -> huevos -> eggs, nuts, etc... get it?
Apr 12 21:12:16 <Popple3> I recall it being mentioned before, I just can't remember what it was
Apr 12 21:12:25 <sugardave> er, huevos
Apr 12 21:12:52 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: Indeed I do
Apr 12 21:13:03 <NuttyBunny> it's like the F word, with many "unofficial" meanings ;)
Apr 12 21:13:07 <sugardave> but that's only because apparently Mexico has the same lack of respect for actual spelling that US kids do
Apr 12 21:13:55 <halfhalo> wut u tlkng bout thr
Apr 12 21:14:10 <Popple3> I'm glad my social circle seems to have upped their grammar skills over the last while
Apr 12 21:14:10 * sugardave shoots halfhalo in the face.
Apr 12 21:14:44 <Tibfib> hey dood, dat's wak
Apr 12 21:14:52 <Popple3> sugardave: Always double tap, make sure he's dead
Apr 12 21:15:27 <sugardave> torso, then head
Apr 12 21:15:38 <Popple3> sounds like a plan
Apr 12 21:18:17 <sugardave> I should have started this download BEFORE I did my taxes
Apr 12 21:18:52 <summatusmentis> I wish we'd hear more about release dates :(
Apr 12 21:19:15 <Popple3> summatusmentis: soon :P
Apr 12 21:19:16 <sugardave> summatusmentis: Dungeon Hunter: Alliance is out TODAY ;)
Apr 12 21:20:01 <summatusmentis> sugardave: as someone who doesn't game, that means nothing
Apr 12 21:20:19 <summatusmentis> Popple3: I mean, it's sorta moot, I don't have money anyway, but it's nice to know :)
Apr 12 21:25:16 <Popple3> summatusmentis: If anything, I want the Pre3 to come out, and be bashed in reviews, so I won't want it anymore :P
Apr 12 21:25:58 <Popple3> (and the TouchPad)
Apr 12 21:26:36 <summatusmentis> Popple3: the downside to that plan is that you know it'll be cooler than the reviews make it out to be
Apr 12 21:27:02 <Popple3> summatusmentis: That and I'll still want them anyway
Apr 12 21:27:10 <summatusmentis> exactly
Apr 12 21:27:12 <dohtem> fanboy!
Apr 12 21:27:16 <dohtem> :)
Apr 12 21:27:36 <Popple3> dohtem: I'm no fanboy, I only just got my first webOS device a little over 3 weeks ago
Apr 12 21:27:38 <Popple3> :P
Apr 12 21:27:51 <Popple3> I'm in the honeymoon period at the moment :P
Apr 12 21:27:55 <dohtem> new fanboy!
Apr 12 21:28:22 <Popple3> nah, I still love my Desire
Apr 12 21:29:51 <Popple3> that reminds me, I wanted to write up a review of webOS
Apr 12 21:30:06 <summatusmentis> I'm a webOS fanboy
Apr 12 21:30:08 <Popple3> Not that there's much need, I just like doing blog posts, and rarely have content
Apr 12 21:30:08 <summatusmentis> I can't help it
Apr 12 21:32:06 <Popple3> I'm a fan, not a fanboy, I won't stupidly defend every little problem and call it a feature
Apr 12 21:32:32 <Popple3> There's no proxy support in webOS so your internet is never filtered! :P
Apr 12 21:33:16 <summatusmentis> actually, that's true
Apr 12 21:33:19 <summatusmentis> I won't do that either
Apr 12 21:33:27 <sugardave> I complain sometimes
Apr 12 21:33:37 <Popple3> summatusmentis: then congrats, you aren't a fanboy :P
Apr 12 21:33:43 <halfhalo> _sometimes_....
Apr 12 21:33:53 <summatusmentis> heh, I do think webOS is the best OS around
Apr 12 21:34:08 <summatusmentis> I'm sort of intrigued by the slate-phone that's rumored
Apr 12 21:34:16 <summatusmentis> but I'll probably go pre3 anyway
Apr 12 21:34:29 <Popple3> I still try sell webOS to people though (even though no carrier sells any webOS devices here)
Apr 12 21:34:32 * Tibfib will def go pre3
Apr 12 21:34:38 <Tibfib> keyboard >>> vkb
Apr 12 21:34:53 <summatusmentis> Tibfib: right, I'm leaning the same way
Apr 12 21:35:09 <Popple3> I'll probably stick with my Pre 2 for the moment. I'll prioritise the TouchPad over a Pre3
Apr 12 21:35:24 * Tibfib hopes to be able to afford both
Apr 12 21:35:32 <Tibfib> but touchpad will be first here as well :)
Apr 12 21:35:35 <summatusmentis> Popple3: I'm on a pre-, I'd really like a new phone, but I'm with Tibfib
Apr 12 21:35:55 * halfhalo has alternate device plan
Apr 12 21:36:03 <Tibfib> halfhalo: kirf?
Apr 12 21:36:11 <halfhalo> device retrieval plan*
Apr 12 21:36:56 <Popple3> right lads, we have to stop development of apps until HPalm decide they need to get devices in developers hands, then get it all free :P /s
Apr 12 21:37:09 <dohtem> lol, thats wrong
Apr 12 21:37:15 <Popple3> dohtem: I know, I'm joking
Apr 12 21:37:33 <Popple3> dohtem: If I had a proper taste of webOS before now, I would've probably bought myself a Pre 2
Apr 12 21:37:52 <Tibfib> pre2 is a wonderful device
Apr 12 21:38:32 <Popple3> except when it keeps telling me to check my Google login, even when I'm logged into GTalk with it, and emails, contacts and calendar events go back and forth no problem
Apr 12 21:39:06 <Tibfib> that's webOS for you :)
Apr 12 21:39:08 <sugardave> that's a feature
Apr 12 21:39:10 <sugardave> lol
Apr 12 21:39:22 <dohtem> security through frustration
Apr 12 21:39:28 * Popple3 waits for sugardave's reasoning :P
Apr 12 21:39:57 <sugardave> yes
Apr 12 21:40:15 <NuttyBunny> After reading....... the fact that your phone don't support proxy settings doesn't mean that it's unfiltered... there are things called transparent proxies that do proxy without the users knowing :)    You just redirect the traffic destined for port 80 to the proxy host
Apr 12 21:40:19 <sugardave> Popple3: how do you keep an Irishman in suspense?
Apr 12 21:40:48 * Popple3 shrugs at sugardave
Apr 12 21:40:55 <sugardave> I'll tell you in 2 weeks
Apr 12 21:41:15 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 12 21:41:31 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: I know :P I was making a stupid fanboy-like comment
Apr 12 21:41:51 <Popple3> sugardave: M'kay, I'll have forgotten about it in 2 mins, but ok :P
Apr 12 21:42:01 <NuttyBunny> ah, sorry, I didn't read everything ;)   tends to happen to me
Apr 12 21:42:02 <sugardave> heh
Apr 12 21:42:28 <Popple3> actually speaking of webOS shortcomings, been meaning to ask this, does anyone have a really strange bug, where if you start up the clock app when in landscape, it deletes all your alarms?
Apr 12 21:42:52 <bemjb> I have had the clock forget all of my alarms
Apr 12 21:42:59 <bemjb> I haven't figured out what triggers it, tho
Apr 12 21:43:16 <halfhalo> I dont... mostly because I use a REAL alarm clock
Apr 12 21:43:23 <halfhalo> its throwable as well!
Apr 12 21:43:33 <Popple3> bemjb: Well, whenever I start up the clock app while holding the device sideways, they all disappear
Apr 12 21:43:53 <halfhalo> someone should fix that bug... jeese
Apr 12 21:44:01 * Popple3 bought a laser target alarm clock a while back, but left it in work and never saw it again
Apr 12 21:44:11 <sugardave> I hate the clock now...at some point the alarm stopped using my ringtone and instead uses some lame quiet beep and only once instead of continuously until I wake up
Apr 12 21:44:30 <bemjb> Popple3: just tried it, and my alarms are still there. webOS 2.1, tho.
Apr 12 21:44:43 <Popple3> bemjb: I'm on 2.1 aswell
Apr 12 21:45:00 <Popple3> sugardave: My Desire used to do that, except it went from a nice ringtone to a load, jump out of bed kind of alarm
Apr 12 21:45:06 <bemjb> I am sad that the alarm function is one of the things that my dumbphone did much better than my Pre 2
Apr 12 21:45:14 <bemjb> Google Maps is another one.
Apr 12 21:45:17 <SineOt> ATT is doing a webOS 3.0 webcast soon, I think.
Apr 12 21:45:39 <sugardave> great, so they can lie and infer that webOS can only do the things it does because of their network
Apr 12 21:45:43 <NuttyBunny> my alarm haven't fail me a single time since 2.1
Apr 12 21:45:49 <NuttyBunny> hasn't
Apr 12 21:45:50 <NuttyBunny> argh
Apr 12 21:45:53 <Popple3> dammit all my alarms are gone now! Landscape is definitely my trigger
Apr 12 21:46:02 <Tibfib> Popple3: report report report
Apr 12 21:46:11 <Tibfib> we all know of the bug
Apr 12 21:46:20 <Tibfib> just not the cause :)
Apr 12 21:46:22 <Popple3> Tibfib: Where? How? When? Why? Who? What?
Apr 12 21:46:27 <dohtem> SineOt: May 12th
Apr 12 21:46:32 <Tibfib> forums or pdc@palm.com
Apr 12 21:46:55 <SineOt> They really should just open up the bug tracker and make it a billion times easier on everyone.
Apr 12 21:47:05 <Popple3> well, since it's not a dev problem, I'm thinking the consumer forum
Apr 12 21:47:22 <Tibfib> dunno how much those are read
Apr 12 21:50:09 <bemjb> SineOt: I work for HP, and don't have access to the bug tracker. :-)
Apr 12 21:50:21 <SineOt> @_@
Apr 12 21:50:31 <Popple3> Ok, no longer without fail
Apr 12 21:50:31 <Tibfib> quick, everyone bombard bemjb!
Apr 12 21:50:37 <Popple3> but definitely more often than not
Apr 12 21:50:39 <bemjb> but I don't work on webOS stuff for my job.
Apr 12 21:50:47 <halfhalo> psh
Apr 12 21:50:50 <halfhalo> photos
Apr 12 21:50:52 <SineOt> I've tried to submit a few bugs before but since there's no feedback it's hard to know if anyone ever actually got it
Apr 12 21:50:53 <halfhalo> who uses those?
Apr 12 21:51:27 <halfhalo> :D
Apr 12 21:51:28 <SineOt> like the TOTALLY AWESOME setting a wallpaper through the photos app recompresses with a shitty JPEG while setting it through Screen and whatever doesn't
Apr 12 21:52:00 <bemjb> speaking of photos, has anyone else had the bug where the photo/video indexer just stops working and new photos/videos don't show up in the photos or videos app?
Apr 12 21:52:17 <bemjb> the only way I know how to fix it is to remove all patches and then put them back.
Apr 12 21:52:39 <bemjb> and then go into usb mode to force it to reindex all the photos/videos I took when it was broken
Apr 12 21:52:57 <bemjb> (I reported this one awhile back, but never heard anything more...)
Apr 12 21:53:12 <SineOt> I think it's a known issue? I'm not sure
Apr 12 21:53:16 <SineOt> On 2.0 right?
Apr 12 21:53:28 <bemjb> yeah, just had it happen on 2.1 as well
Apr 12 21:53:32 <Popple3> Of course webOS's major downfall is the stupid app catalog restrictions. Another dev in Ireland activated his Pre 2 on O2, he has app catalog, I activated mine on Meteor, no app catalog
Apr 12 21:53:43 <Tibfib> bemjb: I've had issues, but not that one
Apr 12 21:53:47 <funkatron> that is not their major downfall
Apr 12 21:53:52 <Tibfib> it once took my pre2 24 hours to index 15 songs
Apr 12 21:54:15 <Popple3> funkatron: marketing?
Apr 12 21:54:20 <funkatron> it's bad, yes, but there are far bigger issues
Apr 12 21:54:23 <funkatron> that would be one of them
Apr 12 21:54:39 <funkatron> launching from a company that had no margin for error and not being perfect is another
Apr 12 21:54:41 <funkatron> etc
Apr 12 21:56:51 <Popple3> Hopefully they'll get over all those issues and allow for webOS to reach it's full potential
Apr 12 21:57:46 <bemjb_> my server go boom. :-(
Apr 12 21:57:59 <halfhalo> ...
Apr 12 21:58:04 <halfhalo> what did you do...
Apr 12 21:58:18 <bemjb_> nothing!
Apr 12 21:58:28 <dohtem> umm... sure
Apr 12 21:58:48 * Popple3 thinks bemjb just ran rm -rf /
Apr 12 21:59:17 <dohtem> I actually did that on a SuSE install that drove me mad
Apr 12 21:59:35 <dohtem> just sat back and watch it go
Apr 12 21:59:37 <Popple3> dohtem: A likely story :P
Apr 12 21:59:39 <bemjb> heh
Apr 12 21:59:54 <dohtem> well this was a personal test machine
Apr 12 22:02:22 <NuttyBunny> I did that once on my home server
Apr 12 22:02:39 <NuttyBunny> it was on reiserfs, so I was able to recover most of it :D
Apr 12 22:03:20 <dohtem> I always think of that nutcase when I read reiserfs :(
Apr 12 23:42:46 <Tibfib> mega leak: playSong: function(path, time, play, previousOrNext){
Apr 12 23:42:46 <Tibfib> 			if (koto.nowPlaying.currentInfo.audioObj.currentSrc){
Apr 12 23:42:46 <Tibfib> 				koto.nowPlaying.currentInfo.audioObj.pause();
Apr 12 23:42:46 <Tibfib> 				koto.nowPlaying.currentInfo.audioObj.src = null;
Apr 12 23:42:46 <Tibfib> 			}
Apr 12 23:42:53 <dawm|laptop> heh
Apr 12 23:42:58 <dawm|laptop> never knew of pdn.palm.com
Apr 12 23:43:18 <Tibfib> oh shoot
Apr 12 23:43:18 <Tibfib> wrong thing copied
Apr 12 23:43:19 <Tibfib> hahahaha
Apr 12 23:43:22 <Tibfib> http://www.precentral.net/preview-webos-3-0-beta-1-emulator-exclusive
Apr 12 23:43:24 <Tibfib> sorry!
Apr 12 23:45:03 <lemketron> D'oh!!  I hope that doesn't affect plans to release a newer beta...
Apr 12 23:45:22 <halfhalo> well, see, you can counteract it with a leak of a new beta!
Apr 12 23:45:40 <Tibfib> I think early access is gonna get tightened down soon :(
Apr 12 23:45:45 <halfhalo> good
Apr 12 23:45:54 <lemketron> maybe one with no built-in apps.  If the point is to use it as a development tool, then you really don't need any apps to be included in it.  :-/
Apr 12 23:46:11 <Tibfib> halfhalo: good in the long run
Apr 12 23:46:18 <Tibfib> bad in the present
Apr 12 23:46:23 <Tibfib> (getting back in, etc)
Apr 12 23:49:14 <halfhalo> eh
Apr 12 23:51:18 <SineOt> leaks happen, life goes on :/
Apr 12 23:53:17 <Tibfib> I don't think an entire emu image has been leaked to a press site before tho
Apr 12 23:53:18 <Tibfib> has it?
Apr 12 23:54:16 <SineOt> There's been doctor images in the past, dunno about emulators
Apr 12 23:54:38 <Tibfib> that's true
Apr 12 23:55:09 <SineOt> it's like. It happened. People can either freak about it or just go "yup" and keep working :p
Apr 12 23:56:11 <destinal> Tibfib: if I were HP, I would make future doctors and emulator images watermark their screens,  but I'm just devious I suppose :)
Apr 12 23:56:41 <Tibfib> heh with the user's info?
Apr 12 23:56:46 <rwhitby> Popple3: ping
Apr 12 23:56:54 <Popple3> rwhitby: pong
Apr 12 23:57:02 <rwhitby> Popple3: did Palm fix your app catalog issue?
Apr 12 23:57:16 <destinal> Tibfib: serial number or something, flash it in binary in a subtle way in a nonobvious part of the screen or something
Apr 12 23:57:40 <Tibfib> destinal: yeah, good idea
Apr 12 23:57:44 <rwhitby> destinal: stenography all all icons would do it
Apr 12 23:57:51 <rwhitby> s/all all/in all/
Apr 12 23:58:07 <Popple3> rwhitby: Nope, still nothing showing up. I have to send it back anyway, since my wifi stopped working
Apr 12 23:58:22 <Popple3> so if I get a full replacement, I'll activate with an O2 SIM
Apr 12 23:58:46 <rwhitby> Popple3: ok
Apr 12 23:59:11 * SineOt makes it so that there's 15,000 unique copies of the emulator to download/build, each with different IDs, all to stop a handful of people :U
Apr 12 23:59:25 <PatrickC_Pre> what?
Apr 12 23:59:50 <Popple3> rwhitby: Any particular reason why you're wondering, or just curious?
Apr 13 00:00:16 <rwhitby> Popple3: I'm still experimenting on pre-activation for EU app catalog - I need to some guinea pigs
Apr 13 00:00:24 <PatrickC_Pre> hay popple3 how'd the driving lesson go?
Apr 13 00:00:36 <rwhitby> pre-activation for US is working fine. I need to work out how to point it to EU
Apr 13 00:00:37 <Popple3> rwhitby: I'll contact you if I get a full replacement so if you want?
Apr 13 00:01:40 <rwhitby> Popple3: actually, I just need the device profile and palm profile details from a device which already accesses the EU app catalog.  Impostah has a feature to email those.
Apr 13 00:02:14 <Popple3> rwhitby: Oh right, I'll activate with the O2 SIM and do that for you so
Apr 13 00:04:35 <Popple3> rwhitby: @stroughtonsmith on Twitter might be willing to help now though. He has a Pre 2 with EU catalog access
Apr 13 00:04:44 <Popple3> can't guarantee he will though
Apr 13 00:09:55 <PatrickC_Pre>   dawm: how's it comin?
Apr 13 00:14:07 <joeb_> long time no type :D
Apr 13 00:14:41 <PatrickC_Pre> lol, yeah
Apr 13 00:15:06 <PatrickC_Pre> how's it goin joeb_#
Apr 13 00:15:10 <PatrickC_Pre> s/#/?/
Apr 13 00:15:14 <joeb_> fine :D
Apr 13 00:15:28 <joeb_> im trying arch linux
Apr 13 00:15:54 <PatrickC_Pre> arch?
Apr 13 00:16:12 * PatrickC_Pre is googline
Apr 13 00:16:49 <Tibfib> that's a good point: http://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/57959850080079872
Apr 13 00:17:29 <oil> ohh
Apr 13 00:17:46 <PatrickC_Pre> what in the world?
Apr 13 00:18:18 <PatrickC_Pre> wait, installing NDA materials when you are not under NDA make you under NDA?
Apr 13 00:18:27 <oil> im pretty sure the answer to that is derek
Apr 13 00:18:31 <Tibfib> it is
Apr 13 00:19:49 <PatrickC_Pre> someone's in trouble
Apr 13 00:23:06 <dohtem> if it weren't for leaks, precentral would have little news
Apr 13 00:23:14 <PatrickC_Pre> I figured all the PC people would be under NDA already
Apr 13 00:23:18 <PatrickC_Pre> dohtem: true
Apr 13 00:23:25 <PatrickC_Pre> but its still not right
Apr 13 00:23:51 <Loudergood> PatrickC_Pre: they maintain a very clear line about who is and who isn't
Apr 13 00:23:52 <PatrickC_Pre> and said person who leaked the sdk broke a legal binding contract
Apr 13 00:23:57 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre: why would they?
Apr 13 00:24:06 <dohtem> PatrickC_Pre: oh no, I wasn't excusing them
Apr 13 00:24:17 <PatrickC_Pre> ah ok dohtem
Apr 13 00:24:27 <PatrickC_Pre> tibfib: I just figured they would be
Apr 13 00:24:35 <Tibfib> why would they ever sign an nda?
Apr 13 00:24:38 * PatrickC_Pre figures stuff without thinking a lot
Apr 13 00:24:49 <Tibfib> hah, k
Apr 13 00:25:06 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm a 15 yr old boy, I don't think period :p
Apr 13 00:25:18 <Loudergood> Tibfib: theoretically one could write a lot about something and have it ready to go upon public release
Apr 13 00:25:37 <PatrickC_Pre> but that could be months
Apr 13 00:25:38 <Tibfib> Loudergood: that's true, didn't think of that
Apr 13 00:25:58 <Tibfib> I feel like the writers would prefer the flexibility of no nda tho
Apr 13 00:26:19 <PatrickC_Pre> brb
Apr 13 00:32:27 <ctbeiser> I blame oil for leaking.
Apr 13 00:32:39 <oil> thats not funny
Apr 13 00:33:00 <Tibfib> awkwaaaaarrrdd
Apr 13 00:33:18 <Loudergood> that's messy
Apr 13 00:33:31 <ctbeiser> I feel like there was something that was funny, but that wasn't it.
Apr 13 00:33:33 <ctbeiser> Hum.
Apr 13 00:33:40 <Tibfib> heh
Apr 13 00:34:09 <Loudergood> I thought it was at first, and then I thought about it..
Apr 13 00:35:04 <destinal> Tibfib: most likely, to get the emulator image to actually install, someone there clicked through the NDA agreement EULA..
Apr 13 00:35:06 <ctbeiser> Too much crossplatform stuff and not enough sleep, I'm mixing this up with blame wes.
Apr 13 00:35:29 <Tibfib> destinal: yeah, someone's in trouble
Apr 13 00:36:00 <destinal> Tibfib: they got greedy, they should have had their "source" send them a video or pictures, then they're just the press
Apr 13 00:37:04 <Tibfib> :/ sigh precentral
Apr 13 00:37:24 <ctbeiser> The only possible way it could be legal still is if they had a minor do it all of their own volition and then say they were totally unaffiliated. Or if HP asked them to do it and stuff, for the press.
Apr 13 00:38:03 <cwayne> wait whats goin on
Apr 13 00:38:07 <Tibfib> I doubt they thought that far into it
Apr 13 00:38:27 <Tibfib> http://www.precentral.net/preview-webos-3-0-beta-1-emulator-exclusive
Apr 13 00:39:39 <Tibfib> it'll be interesting to see what hp does
Apr 13 00:40:13 <Tibfib> I'm gonna guess they'll just issue a takedown
Apr 13 00:43:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> back
Apr 13 00:43:51 <Tibfib> oh dang. now we can't talk about you
Apr 13 00:43:51 <destinal> Tibfib: technically I think there's nothing illegal about the video itself, it was just made using copyright infringement or EULA violation which in many places amounts to the same thing
Apr 13 00:43:54 <destinal> (sadly)
Apr 13 00:44:28 <Tibfib> destinal: Heh, I'm not very good at the legal stuff
Apr 13 00:44:54 <Tibfib> so I'll take your word for it :)
Apr 13 00:45:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> what are we talking about?
Apr 13 00:45:06 <destinal> Tibfib: so it's one of those weird things, HP could sue precentral though maybe not get the video taken down
Apr 13 00:45:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> tibfib: no, you still can :)
Apr 13 00:45:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> as long as its good :p
Apr 13 00:45:20 <Tibfib> destinal: ah, I see what you mean
Apr 13 00:45:31 <Tibfib> destinal: I meant a post/video/everything takedown
Apr 13 00:45:55 <Tibfib> but you may be right
Apr 13 00:45:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> is this the first time we've had a full sdk leak to precentral?
Apr 13 00:46:09 <Tibfib> yeah
Apr 13 00:46:10 <destinal> nah, but they could say, hey, if you pull this down, we won't sue you for the infringement you just showed to everyone that you did
Apr 13 00:47:05 * PatrickC_Pre2 thinks someone is gonna get kicked from the Early Access Program 
Apr 13 00:47:19 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: how would they ever know who?
Apr 13 00:47:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> with the cooperation of Precentral
Apr 13 00:47:42 <destinal> without doing something clever like watermarking the icons or screens the emulator generates and nailing someone in the future for NDA violatiojn
Apr 13 00:47:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I was just about to say they need to watermark :)
Apr 13 00:48:03 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre2: they would never cooperate
Apr 13 00:48:09 <Tibfib> then no one would leak to them
Apr 13 00:48:16 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: you don't know the first thing about journalism if you think that Precentral would ever tell who gave that to them
Apr 13 00:48:34 <Loudergood> he's 15, he doesn't, but that's ok
Apr 13 00:48:35 <Tibfib> boom, roasted.
Apr 13 00:48:43 * PatrickC_Pre2 is still learning about journalism :)
Apr 13 00:48:56 <destinal> rule #1 is protect your source
Apr 13 00:49:12 <Tibfib> isn't rule #1 don't talk about journalism?
Apr 13 00:49:17 <destinal> lol
Apr 13 00:49:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> but if your under NDA, and someone leaks to your site, then you can't write it up, correct?
Apr 13 00:49:38 <destinal> rule #1 of the tautology club is rule #1 of the tautology club
Apr 13 00:49:50 <destinal> (xkcd rocks)
Apr 13 00:50:06 <Loudergood> PatrickC_Pre2: the site isn't under NDA, the individual authors may or may not be
Apr 13 00:50:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's what I'm talking about
Apr 13 00:50:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> if he author is under NDA, then he can't report
Apr 13 00:50:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> correct?
Apr 13 00:50:40 <destinal> PatrickC_Pre2: exactly
Apr 13 00:50:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 13 00:50:44 <Loudergood> right
Apr 13 00:50:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's what I figured
Apr 13 00:51:19 <destinal> The funniest thing about all this is that Derek may have just agreed to a click through EULA agreeing to the NDA so he could violate it
Apr 13 00:51:31 <destinal> or maybe it's not funny
Apr 13 00:51:44 <Loudergood> and then you get into the dirty messy part of NDAs where people cannot talk publicly about things that have been leaked
Apr 13 00:52:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> is Derek really that dumb though?
Apr 13 00:52:05 <Loudergood> destinal: I think palm/hp wouldn't miss that
Apr 13 00:52:18 <Loudergood> and I don't think the editors of precentral are that dumb either
Apr 13 00:52:35 <destinal> they could have the cat walk on the button but courts have ruled it's the same as you agreeing to it yourself
Apr 13 00:53:00 <Loudergood> otherwise people would continue to get credit cards for their cats
Apr 13 00:53:06 <destinal> :)
Apr 13 00:53:12 <Loudergood> "but fluffy kept buying me gifts!!"
Apr 13 00:53:22 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre2: dumb, no.. not thinking smart atm, yes
Apr 13 00:53:26 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 13 00:53:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 13 00:55:23 * PatrickC_Pre2 wants his Amazon and JLab Audio orders to ship already
Apr 13 00:55:31 <Tibfib> ugh. http://twitter.com/ArthurThornton/status/57969574062211073
Apr 13 00:55:35 <destinal> wow.  my phone rang and a computer was on the other end saying "please hold the line, your call is important to us".  that's where I hit end.  obviously, so important they can't spare a human being to wait on the line.
Apr 13 00:55:47 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 13 00:56:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 13 00:58:21 <Loudergood> I swear I get that call at least once a day at work
Apr 13 01:00:51 <destinal> Is today a Palmcast, too?  if so, it should be... interesting..
Apr 13 01:01:01 <Tibfib> oh. yeah
Apr 13 01:01:34 <Tibfib> destinal: I don't think there's been a post about a palmcast today
Apr 13 01:01:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would love to hear that palmcast
Apr 13 01:02:49 <lemketron> destinal: what makes you think we haven't done something like that?  :-)
Apr 13 01:03:05 <lemketron> (looking back at 5:46pm comments)
Apr 13 01:04:07 <Tibfib> touche
Apr 13 01:04:12 <destinal> lemketron: :)  yeah, I figure if I can think of it, someone over there would as well
Apr 13 01:05:53 <lemketron> and regarding spammers calling you... I always say "hello" as soon as I pick up, and if there's no immediate response (other than dead "air" sound as their computer hunts for a human to take the just-connected call), I just hang up.
Apr 13 01:06:11 <Tibfib> +1
Apr 13 01:06:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> +2
Apr 13 01:06:26 <Tibfib> so are we at 4 now?
Apr 13 01:06:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Apr 13 01:06:37 <Tibfib> why does PatrickC_Pre2 get more votes than me?
Apr 13 01:06:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> cause I'm awesome :)
Apr 13 01:06:57 <Tibfib> no, I don't think that's it
Apr 13 01:07:05 <Tibfib> ;)
Apr 13 01:07:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> are you a Senior Forum Member?
Apr 13 01:07:37 <Tibfib> hmm, not sure
Apr 13 01:07:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> wait, you are probably a top forum contributor lol
Apr 13 01:08:07 <rwhitby> lemketron: LunaSysMgr being a binary makes it a nice place to hide stenography
Apr 13 01:08:21 <Tibfib> oh whoa. I am a senior forum member
Apr 13 01:08:22 <Tibfib> cool beans
Apr 13 01:08:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here :)
Apr 13 01:08:36 <halfhalo> lulz
Apr 13 01:08:45 <cwayne> its funny cus youre both minors
Apr 13 01:08:55 <rwhitby> senior minors
Apr 13 01:09:03 <lemketron> I wish I had time to spend writing stuff like that to hide in there...  actually, I wish it wasn't necessary to even think about it.
Apr 13 01:09:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> Philip Burnstine is one too
Apr 13 01:09:17 <Tibfib> heh
Apr 13 01:09:24 <Tibfib> @ rwhitby
Apr 13 01:09:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> or however you spell his last name
Apr 13 01:09:33 <halfhalo> minions are what its all about
Apr 13 01:10:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have just a few more post then you TibFib :)
Apr 13 01:10:04 <Tibfib> hmm, I haven't been very productive tonight
Apr 13 01:10:14 <Tibfib> PatrickC_Pre2: I don't like the forums much
Apr 13 01:10:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 13 01:10:25 <rwhitby> is there a thread on precentral about the post on precentral about the leak from precental?
Apr 13 01:10:30 <halfhalo> guh... this class needs to end
Apr 13 01:10:43 <destinal> rwhitby: re stego, you still need info to encode, so you'd have to have a serial # for each emulator image or something, or require beta users to sign in via a palm profile or something
Apr 13 01:10:43 <cwayne> so meta
Apr 13 01:11:04 <destinal> rwhitby: or I guess if the device has internet access you could use public IP
Apr 13 01:11:07 <rwhitby> destinal: yeah, make it difficult to CDN distribute
Apr 13 01:11:20 <rwhitby> destinal: but you could have a registration at first run which encodes
Apr 13 01:11:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, some people dev without internet
Apr 13 01:11:37 <rwhitby> they needed the internet to get the thing
Apr 13 01:11:40 <Tibfib> not a lot of peeps^
Apr 13 01:11:44 <Tibfib> at PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 13 01:11:45 <rwhitby> so they have the internet to register on first run
Apr 13 01:11:53 <destinal> yeah, I'd do a first run or license file you have to download seperately.
Apr 13 01:11:55 <halfhalo> like, one doesn't have internet
Apr 13 01:12:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 13 01:14:58 <lemketron> there are lots of options...  :-)
Apr 13 01:15:22 <halfhalo> I prefer ones involving fire, personally
Apr 13 01:16:25 * Tibfib likes explosions
Apr 13 01:16:32 <halfhalo> then again... I am playing with fire right now
Apr 13 01:16:51 <Tibfib> always a good decision
Apr 13 01:16:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 steps back slowly
Apr 13 01:17:14 <halfhalo> the one good thing about my bio class...
Apr 13 01:17:32 <Tibfib> laptop + fire ?
Apr 13 01:17:37 <Tibfib> or phone?
Apr 13 01:17:42 <halfhalo> phone
Apr 13 01:17:57 <halfhalo> Pre2 to boot, epic died
Apr 13 01:19:10 * halfhalo needs a new main phone
Apr 13 01:19:53 * Loudergood just got a new main phone....a Pre2....
Apr 13 01:19:56 <Tibfib> pre2 is nice
Apr 13 01:20:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> pre2 rocks
Apr 13 01:20:06 <Tibfib> not pleasing to you halfhalo?
Apr 13 01:20:28 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes he could use his Pre2 as his main phone
Apr 13 01:21:03 <halfhalo> not compared to the epic... bigger screen is wanted for main phone
Apr 13 01:21:15 <Loudergood> ah you're a screenophile
Apr 13 01:22:28 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre2: why can't you use your Pre2 as your main phone?
Apr 13 01:23:14 <halfhalo> hmmm... I think I will end up in sf in two weeks..
Apr 13 01:23:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not gonna turn it into a frankenpre2 yet
Apr 13 01:23:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't have a phone to use if I break something
Apr 13 01:29:05 <halfhalo> this could get interesting
Apr 13 01:29:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> what? you + fire?
Apr 13 01:29:52 <halfhalo> no, going up to sf
Apr 13 01:30:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> why are you going to sf?
Apr 13 01:36:46 <halfhalo> personal stuff
Apr 13 01:36:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 13 02:14:19 <Tibfib> this is impressive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4oh_YXNues
Apr 13 02:20:14 <dohtem> omg, I was expecting a cracked skull after the 3rd one
Apr 13 02:20:17 <dohtem> nice!
Apr 13 02:22:56 <NuttyBunny> wow
Apr 13 02:32:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 13 02:56:36 <haeffb> hello #webos !
Apr 13 02:56:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> hello haeffb!
Apr 13 02:59:05 <rwhitby> haeffb: g'day
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