**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 17 02:59:58 2011 Apr 17 03:05:30 what is that sineot? lol Apr 17 03:08:37 Ponies :I Apr 17 03:08:44 need more to sit on the TV Apr 17 03:14:54 ... lol Apr 17 03:38:00 night Apr 17 05:41:22 I feel like an idiot, but how do you replace text in a element? I've got #stream_info and i want to change it from the initial "Loading..." to the stream's info Apr 17 05:41:42 I've searched prototype's api docs, but can't seem to find it Apr 17 05:47:27 graywolf336: .update? Apr 17 05:48:04 i found it just now... should i use .update or .replace? Apr 17 05:49:08 I use(d) update in the past, so... why not try both? Apr 17 05:50:59 ok.. trying .update now Apr 17 05:52:46 .update worked Apr 17 05:52:49 thanks Apr 17 05:58:32 does anyone know how to make a phone number tapable to open up the phone app? Apr 17 11:53:55 :) Apr 17 12:04:52 graywolf336: you could manually add a listener and open up the phone app, I guess Apr 17 12:05:39 graywolf336: meaning: put the phone number in a div with an id (or anything else you can attach a handler to) and startObserving for a tap on it Apr 17 12:08:24 jesus, developing on a Netbook is annoying as hell Apr 17 12:08:40 a simple console.log(Object.joJSON(something)) kills everything Apr 17 12:08:48 VM hangs at 100% CPU :-) Apr 17 12:20:55 strange, I don't have that problem Apr 17 12:21:15 I get an error message if the object is too deep I think Apr 17 12:43:27 are there any advantages to use the JavaScript wrapper API versus the serviceRequest API? Apr 17 12:43:36 for db8 Apr 17 13:03:55 What icons are available for Mojo.Menu.commandMenu? Apr 17 13:05:11 morning #webos Apr 17 13:05:35 hey PatrickC_Pre what icons are available for mojo.menu.commandmenu? Apr 17 13:05:47 I have no clue Apr 17 13:05:49 srry Apr 17 13:06:19 have you heard anything From ben? Apr 17 13:06:26 nope Apr 17 13:07:15 have you contacted webos-internals to see if you could use the info from one of their devices temporarily? Apr 17 13:07:39 And I wish I could help, but my devices are doctored every like 1 month or so... Apr 17 13:10:51 http://aautar.digital-radiation.com/blog/?p=2622 look there :) Apr 17 13:12:15 cool, what do you need those for? Apr 17 13:12:56 building a class one can include to have a "feedback/support" page in an app which works with suplify Apr 17 13:13:00 (http://suplify.me) Apr 17 13:13:12 would love for you to try it. Apr 17 13:13:49 if you sign up with you email I'll send you an invite once the class is finished so that you can try it in your apps Apr 17 13:14:10 and get feedback from customers :) Apr 17 13:14:43 its better to catch them before the 0 star rate you :) Apr 17 13:17:26 Thomaschaaf: the menu icons are all defined in the CSS that comes with the SDK Apr 17 13:18:08 0 star rate who? lol Apr 17 13:20:03 global-menus.css to be more specific Apr 17 13:20:17 .palm-menu-icon.xxxxx Apr 17 13:21:02 * PatrickC_Pre is thankful for webos101 Apr 17 13:21:24 hmmm Apr 17 13:21:25 and the icons themselves are in images/menu-icon-xxxxx.png Apr 17 13:21:49 I'm having trouble updating the model of a FilterList in the Ajax.Request.onSuccess callback Apr 17 13:21:54 and you can also find other icon .pngs in some of the other Palm apps Apr 17 13:22:28 but you'll have to set those icons up in your app's CSS file Apr 17 13:23:29 phoque: what trouble? Apr 17 13:23:43 well the data doesn't end up in the list Apr 17 13:23:59 the little scrim in the upper right corner doesn't stop spinning Apr 17 13:24:09 I'm a bit confused though Apr 17 13:24:18 usually I have a model wich I need to update Apr 17 13:24:27 but it seems this is not the case with filterlists, right? Apr 17 13:25:16 yeah, they Apr 17 13:25:22 're different Apr 17 13:25:31 here's what I've used: Apr 17 13:25:42 var listWidget = this.controller.get('noteslist'); this.filterFunction(this.launchSearchString, listWidget, 0, this.notes.length); Apr 17 13:25:54 just calling the filterFunction directly Apr 17 13:28:17 http://pastie.org/1803681 Apr 17 13:28:20 this is what I'm doing Apr 17 13:29:16 haeffb, I'm not sure if your example is about the same thing I'm talking about Apr 17 13:29:57 uhm, " offset" in line 20 is undefined Apr 17 13:30:04 tried it with 0 before but it didn't help Apr 17 13:31:07 it's a bit tricky because I can't access all parameters the filterFunction callback recieves in my onSuccess callback Apr 17 13:31:14 phoque: that is how I update the items in the filterList Apr 17 13:31:14 without resorting to global variables at least Apr 17 13:31:37 which parameters? Apr 17 13:31:42 the filterString is "" Apr 17 13:31:44 offset and count Apr 17 13:31:50 the listWidget is the widget Apr 17 13:31:55 offset is 0 Apr 17 13:32:04 count is the number of items in your list Apr 17 13:32:20 yeah, but the widget passes them on to the filterFunction Apr 17 13:34:04 you have a couple of problems, the first of which is that "this" is not bound in your onSuccess, so... Apr 17 13:34:19 this.controller.get isn't going to work Apr 17 13:34:47 also, I don't think this is kosher: this.list = Array(); Apr 17 13:34:57 yeah, I'm not using that anymore Apr 17 13:35:01 this.list = new Array(); Apr 17 13:35:01 I'm using a local list in the callback Apr 17 13:35:17 hah Apr 17 13:35:18 crazy Apr 17 13:35:35 onSucess: function(response) {....}.bind(this); did the trick Apr 17 13:35:42 what's up with that bind thingy anyways? :-) Apr 17 13:36:13 and you're right, I'll change the "new Array()" problem as well Apr 17 13:37:32 I'll have to refer you to Google on "that bind thingy" Apr 17 13:38:04 OK Apr 17 13:38:05 but it's essentially a Prototype method for making sure that a function is operating in the correct scope Apr 17 13:38:17 I'm reading about it in the Prototype docs Apr 17 13:38:39 seems to me that Prototype is a bit more "low level" than jQuery Apr 17 13:38:47 i.e. the "this" you're using is the "this" you want to be using. Apr 17 13:47:48 changing the theme in Ubuntu kills eclipse Apr 17 14:16:01 eclipse with the webOS 2.0 plugin is a mess Apr 17 14:51:40 Spanska: I think I'm still using the 1.4.5 version of the webOS plugin for eclipse Apr 17 14:51:55 what's messed up with the 2.x version? Apr 17 14:52:01 Are you using it to develop for 2.1? Apr 17 14:52:17 I always get tons of error messages.. it's counter productive Apr 17 15:05:30 yes, developing for 2.1 Apr 17 15:05:36 and 1.4.5 Apr 17 15:05:47 and other things which shall remain nameless Apr 17 15:07:01 I have to go to town and get some coffee. Apr 17 15:29:22 Is there any way to return unique results with db8? I have all this data: http://pastebin.com/aGfmXFrT and I am trying to figure out how I can get a unique list of countries. Apr 17 15:30:13 oh, nevermind, I forgot some data I can use Apr 17 15:42:29 do Tasks have notifications if you set a due date? Apr 17 15:44:49 summatusmentis: in the palm app? Apr 17 15:45:27 tasks@hand doesn't show an explicit notification Apr 17 16:31:10 madnificent: yes, the palm app Apr 17 17:12:28 I have a Model that consists of sever functions including a DB8 interface Apr 17 17:12:33 the data is saved in this.data Apr 17 17:12:50 is it possible to define a function for each array-element in this.data? Apr 17 17:12:55 that way I could run Apr 17 17:13:05 App.model.getDataById(id); Apr 17 17:13:26 and execute .groupByDays(); on the returned array Apr 17 17:15:31 I've never fully grasped the class.prototype.method = function() {} thing Apr 17 17:16:14 can I just define it as this.data.groupById = function() {}? Apr 17 17:22:13 summatusmentis: don't know about that Apr 17 17:23:06 it's working! Apr 17 17:23:40 Spanska: the calendar? or yet something else? Apr 17 17:23:49 db8 Apr 17 17:23:55 I have to make this work first Apr 17 17:24:05 then I will work on the calendar part, almost there! Apr 17 17:24:08 LoL Apr 17 17:24:17 I didn't even think I would make this work that quick Apr 17 17:24:19 the original database still works on 2.0, no? Apr 17 17:24:51 I think so, but to use Just Type I have to use db8 Apr 17 17:25:14 I thought it would be nice to include Just Type while having to redo that part to make sure everything works Apr 17 17:25:48 waoh, just type requires db8, that's odd Apr 17 17:27:46 I might be wrong, I read that: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/mojo/just-type.html Apr 17 17:29:08 ah, so it seems Apr 17 17:29:22 well, that'll be something for a release further in the future then, I guess Apr 17 17:29:40 (mostly because db8 != WebOS 1.x) Apr 17 17:30:06 actually, I have all abstractions in place to swap the database backend transparantly, I guess... Apr 17 17:30:21 hmmm Apr 17 17:30:28 office 2011 is interesting... Apr 17 17:31:00 oh? is it worth getting? Apr 17 17:31:09 depends Apr 17 17:31:15 it has the fancy skydrive stuff Apr 17 17:31:30 madnificent: I was using an HTML5 database and within a few hours I'm almost all converted to db8 Apr 17 17:31:43 Have not had office on this computer before save for via a vm, but got access to a technet account again, so :p Apr 17 17:31:57 I can flush my database each time though.. I do not have to convert data Apr 17 17:32:05 Spanska: does db8 have triggers? Apr 17 17:32:15 madnificent: what are triggers? Apr 17 17:32:20 halfhalo: skydrive is the cloud storage thing? Apr 17 17:32:58 certain companies offer Office to their employees for 15 bucks Apr 17 17:34:06 Spanska: for instance: when you update the state_id of a task, also update the branch_id. Or when you update the branch_id of a task, also update the branch_id of its children Apr 17 17:34:12 Spanska: I think I can pay something like $12 at my Uni Apr 17 17:34:19 Spanska: without that, tasks@hand doesn't work, it's far too complicated for that :) Apr 17 17:34:40 summatusmentis: that's nice! we had that too! Apr 17 17:34:46 * madnificent uses latex and emacs org-mode and gets by with that perfectly Apr 17 17:34:54 and I've been using this version since then :D Apr 17 17:34:58 cost: 0, time-gain: a gazilion time-units Apr 17 17:35:41 madnificent: it's the first time I use db8 and depending on what you know databases you could probably figure it if it permits that way quicker than I could ;) Apr 17 17:35:53 summatusmentis: yeah. Apr 17 17:35:55 I meant, what you know about databases Apr 17 17:36:01 I miss live mesh :( Apr 17 17:36:04 Spanska: I'm majoring in databases, so yes, I guess I should... :) Apr 17 17:36:31 Spanska: not that that actually *means* anything, but it implies that I should from a social perspective be acceptably good at this Apr 17 17:37:01 halfhalo: live mesh is different? Apr 17 17:37:16 live mesh was the first incarnation with remote desktop and all that jazz Apr 17 17:37:52 ah, still done the same way Apr 17 17:40:07 Spanska: looks like it would be best to rewrite it from scratch. It'll be better to create this with a correctly OO model, instead of a data-only OO approach which I use now Apr 17 17:40:38 * note: that isn't bad at all, I'm actually hoping to be able to do a full rewrite. Not that I dislike my code, but I want to try a different paradigm Apr 17 17:40:58 madnificent: I had to face that, my app was so bloated.. I shouldn't have followed Palm's code in StyleMatters for collapsible drivers Apr 17 17:41:49 I'll save maybe 60% of code by using a different, more effective approach with the same GUI and "collapsible drivers" too.. crazy Apr 17 17:42:30 if I'd rewrite it now, I'd probably keep ~90% of my code. It's the structure, which would be different Apr 17 17:45:42 I thought I could keep it too until I figured out that services changed so much with webOS 2.x :( Apr 17 17:47:07 I was about to give up that project but decided it would be good challenge to port it to webOS 2.x to finally release it.. and I'm getting excited to complete it was I have another cool idea for webOS 2.x then when webOS 3.x will be released I'll work on 2 new bigger projects :D Apr 17 17:47:16 Spanska: I only use the contacts service and the filepicker right now. Contacts have been changed in 2.x, but I've covered that. Besides that, it's rougly the same as it used to be. Apr 17 17:47:18 for me, at least Apr 17 17:48:57 it would be great if someone would code good memo and task apps that could also sync with MS Outlook Apr 17 17:49:17 Spanska: you're saying: make tasks@hand sync with outlook? Apr 17 17:49:20 I don't know what will happen to my data until then.. I still use it on my Tungsten E2 :/ Apr 17 17:50:10 not necessarily ;) Apr 17 17:50:49 I don't know any app that does this correctly yet, I tried Missing Sync but I'm not impressed at all Apr 17 17:51:15 * madnificent finds it very very hard to sync his app with anything, as it's somewhat more advanced than other offerings Apr 17 17:51:47 syncing with Outlook isn't trivial.. a desktop is required Apr 17 17:51:59 Spanska: there are multiple issues Apr 17 17:52:19 for starters: outlook doesn't understand subprojects correctly IIRC. It also doesn't understand sufficient states and contexts Apr 17 17:52:20 if Microsoft would have a TCP access or something it would make it less easier considering webOS 2.x has Node.js Apr 17 17:52:30 you're right Apr 17 17:52:35 besides that, outlook requires something of Microsoft, which I haven't touched in years Apr 17 17:52:37 it isn't perfect either for sure Apr 17 17:53:02 I'm using it because it gives me a simple way to keep a backup of my data actually Apr 17 17:53:06 well, that's technically not true, but it's not something I use unless I'm forced to do so... so say I've used a windows-based computer 10 times in the past 4 years Apr 17 17:53:27 oh, are you using Mac OS or Linux? Apr 17 17:53:30 Ubuntu? Apr 17 17:54:04 Spanska: I'm affraid I'll have to create my own webservice for that... And I do want to do that, but it's horrible because I'd want to create some big big layers of abstraction first (estimate it more than 6 months before I can start writing the tasks app) Apr 17 17:54:13 Spanska: ubuntu/gentoo/freebsd Apr 17 17:54:43 yeah, I would create some webservice too for myself on the desktop but it would take months :( Apr 17 17:54:50 (I'm one of those that prefers the term Gnu/Linux to stress that it's not that free for the programmer) Apr 17 17:54:57 I'm a bit against having all my data in the cloud Apr 17 17:55:17 How come it isn't free? Apr 17 17:55:20 How do I extend the builtin Array class the Prototype way? Apr 17 17:55:23 I tried it like http://pastie.org/1804383 Apr 17 17:55:55 Spanska: what isn't free? Apr 17 17:56:00 Spanska: ah the code? Apr 17 17:56:56 Spanska: well, I as a programmer _must_ release the source code if I make changes. That makes the source-code free... but I'm not the source-code, I'm a developer. I release my public code under the 2-clause BSD license (or MIT for that matter) which gives freedom to the programmer, instead of to the code itself. Apr 17 18:00:02 oh, can't you keep your code closed if that's what you want as long as you don't use someone else's code that is free? Apr 17 18:01:08 not with the GPL Apr 17 18:03:33 hay all Apr 17 18:03:43 so, the veer launch party? who's goin? :) Apr 17 18:04:17 PatrickC_Pre2: the few 1000km thing, once again :) Apr 17 18:04:24 lol Apr 17 18:04:44 its about 500MI from me (give or take) Apr 17 18:05:18 I wouldn't drive that far either tbh Apr 17 18:05:29 but europeans seem to have a different standard about that Apr 17 18:06:23 I would if I could Apr 17 18:14:51 where is it? in London? Apr 17 18:17:51 Spanska: If I'd have loads of time, I could go to events in London, I guess... Apr 17 18:18:21 that must be really awesome Apr 17 18:18:53 flight tickets are a bit too expensive from here for such a short amount of time, I would have to take vacations at the same time for it to worth it hehe Apr 17 18:23:36 yeah.. flights are really expensive lol Apr 17 18:42:36 ordering items is really complicated in db8 :| Apr 17 18:52:35 Hmm, this pre 2 always fails at 12% when doctoring Apr 17 19:11:08 Hey. Does anyone know where I can find infos an save a file to webOS phone (node.js)? Apr 17 19:11:18 Where is it documented? Apr 17 19:29:01 hay DocLee Apr 17 19:29:12 hey Apr 17 19:29:28 how's it goin? Apr 17 19:29:39 Pretty darn frustratingly Apr 17 19:30:07 how come? Apr 17 19:30:36 Because of that that shall not be named. Apr 17 19:31:03 ok.. lol.. and because of what? Apr 17 19:31:18 Popups Apr 17 19:31:34 I hate popups too Apr 17 19:32:10 I've been over this thing with a fine tooth comb...even cut and pasted the example right into my code. Still, breaks it Apr 17 19:32:44 in radiotime? Apr 17 20:13:43 I wonder how to make Just Type work Apr 17 20:13:53 look at the docs :) Apr 17 20:14:07 I did and it's not obvious at all Apr 17 20:14:12 hmm Apr 17 20:14:18 look at the sample app? Apr 17 20:14:26 I believe the wrong part must have something to do with db8 Apr 17 20:14:34 oh, which sample app? Apr 17 20:14:50 I thought there's a sample app named "Just Type" Apr 17 20:15:07 but I might be wrong (haven't looked at the sample apps in a while) Apr 17 20:15:23 I haven't tried to do Just Type yet.. so I'm not of much help Apr 17 20:15:56 some opensource apps like Spaz have Just Type too Apr 17 20:16:12 brb, gotta go do some stuff outside Apr 17 20:23:32 I don't get how JS treats arrays and objects Apr 17 20:23:37 somehow .length is undefined now Apr 17 20:30:41 howdy folks! Apr 17 20:30:41 phoque: is it an object or array you're working with? Apr 17 20:30:41 ajay: yo Apr 17 20:30:41 ok, fixed it Apr 17 20:30:41 an Object Apr 17 20:30:41 for(i in object) is the way to go... apparently Apr 17 20:30:41 indeed Apr 17 20:30:41 however I've read somewhere on PrototypeJS that one shouldn't use it Apr 17 20:30:42 phoque: I know Prototype has it's own enumerators, but I always just use for(prop in obj) Apr 17 20:39:32 phoque: objects don't have a .length property Apr 17 20:39:37 arrays do Apr 17 20:39:50 yeah, I realized that Apr 17 20:39:52 kinda weird Apr 17 20:40:06 for(i in Obj){ Obj[i]... } Apr 17 20:40:09 it looks like an array Apr 17 20:40:11 but isn't Apr 17 20:40:12 :-D Apr 17 20:42:08 be careful of for (i in Obj) as well - I think it will enumerate through the object's properties AND the object's prototype's properties Apr 17 20:44:15 hey does anyone know how to make voogle the default dialler? Apr 17 20:45:03 yes sir Apr 17 20:45:07 hahaa Apr 17 20:45:14 i was just emailling you :) Apr 17 20:45:24 great! :) Apr 17 20:45:55 can I define my own Widgets? Apr 17 20:46:09 I'd like to have a few canvas elements that listen to changed Model notifications Apr 17 20:46:21 maybe i should stop then.. first: no pressure for making a patch, i can probably figure that out unless you really want to make one (yes i'd be down to post and all.. have a no-quote on reply patch i want to create anyways..) Apr 17 20:48:13 POOPLE3 Apr 17 20:49:03 ajay: I can probably make a patch for you (or even try to get Connor to implement it himself). :) Apr 17 20:49:53 dkirker: I just tweeted him about it a few minutes ago.. yeah that'd be better if he incorporates it! :) Apr 17 20:51:17 would still be a patch tho Apr 17 20:51:31 dkirker: as for the user-agent thing, I remembered that user-agent thread about the need for folks to represent diff user-agents after whatshisname mentioned his desire to try bing or whatever other maps on webOS Apr 17 20:55:29 is it possible to initialize a list with a model like [{ a, b, c}, {a, b,c }, ...] but make it only use the "a"? Apr 17 20:55:37 sort of a template containing #{a} Apr 17 20:55:42 but several lists share that template Apr 17 20:56:26 maybe itemsProperty may help? Apr 17 20:57:27 phoque: Are you asking if a template can use just one item from a list model and ignore the rest..? Apr 17 20:57:38 * Popple3 thinks he's completely misinterpreted the question Apr 17 20:57:43 sort of Apr 17 20:57:52 but instead of doing it in the template do it in the JS Apr 17 20:58:02 because I want to reuse that template Apr 17 20:59:41 phoque: So basically, you want to essentially morph a list of JS objects into another list of objects with a predefined layout so they can all use the same template..? Apr 17 20:59:55 yup Apr 17 21:00:12 if the only solution is to for..in it Apr 17 21:00:18 i'd just create a few more templates Apr 17 21:00:19 :-D Apr 17 21:00:56 phoque: Yeah, I think that's probably you're best option, speed over size in that case methinks Apr 17 21:01:40 i was just looking at a veer. Can't imaine how much of a pain it would be to type on it Apr 17 21:02:09 it's not that hard Apr 17 21:02:18 the keys are raised a lot higher than the Pre/Pre2 Apr 17 21:02:35 phoque: well, if you knew what the property names were in the originating object you could just have newObj.newProp = oldObj.oldProp Apr 17 21:02:42 phoque: In a loop of your array Apr 17 21:03:00 Guest41561: I'd imagine it'd be quite like a Pixi, which is quite nice to type on Apr 17 21:03:20 Looks smaller than a pixi Apr 17 21:03:34 the keyboard is about the same size Apr 17 21:03:41 No headphone input either Apr 17 21:03:52 most of the size gains are in the fact it's a slider Apr 17 21:04:15 Guest41561: The screen is the same size as the pixi's Apr 17 21:04:21 well, 0.03 inches smaller :P Apr 17 21:05:13 Disappointed in webos line up. More of the same Apr 17 21:05:36 Guest41561: What about the rumoured no keyboard device? Apr 17 21:06:02 of course, "rumoured" kinda takes away from it a good bit Apr 17 21:06:07 Different design at least Apr 17 21:07:06 the 910 mAh non-removable battery really puts me off the Veer though Apr 17 21:07:52 Popple3: it looks like you can remove it, but it's not a "normal user" kind of event Apr 17 21:08:23 ajay: So it's not gonna be removable if you were, say, on a bus, and needed to swap out the battery Apr 17 21:08:24 s/it looks like// Apr 17 21:08:57 number of times I've been on a bus and needed to swap: 0 Apr 17 21:09:00 Popple3: It's actually almost exactly the same as the pre, just .. the back is permanently attached, so yeah, you could do it on the go, it's just slightly more dangerous Apr 17 21:09:11 SineOt: what's the number of times you've been on a bus? :)( Apr 17 21:09:13 SineOt: Happens to me quite a bit :P Apr 17 21:09:19 plenty! Apr 17 21:09:42 I don't think I've ever swapped the battery even though I've got three of them now Apr 17 21:10:07 SineOt: haha.. i thought i had you there. i have had my phone die in almost every venue. and bus, where one probably uses it a lot, makes the most sense Apr 17 21:10:16 SineOt: lucky you. it's a daily event for me (at least) Apr 17 21:10:16 I generally have to swap once a day Apr 17 21:10:40 always carry two batteries in my wallet just in case Apr 17 21:10:48 (at least means my phone seems to last 3-4 hrs..) Apr 17 21:10:50 thankfully they're nice and small Apr 17 21:10:53 in your wallet?? Apr 17 21:11:02 i don't think they're that small :) Apr 17 21:11:04 obviously, you're both apparently heavier users than I am :p Apr 17 21:11:28 SineOt: no, just users :) Apr 17 21:11:50 SineOt: I don't even have App Catalog access to download crap to drain my battery :P Apr 17 21:11:59 SineOt: off-topic, what's the word on slydial? been a minute since i've been in here, i realize :) (assume you woulda emailled me if there was an update, but just incase) Apr 17 21:12:01 ajay: They are that small, fit nicely in my wallet Apr 17 21:12:24 ajay: they've been slack assed lazy shits basically Apr 17 21:12:30 can't bother to return phone calls Apr 17 21:12:40 Popple3: I think my wallet is too fat w/o batteries, i can't imagine it with them.. even if they were credit card sized.. well ok then i'm sure i would Apr 17 21:12:55 SineOt: no worries.. just got excited by you saying the CTO called you, I thought we were making progress. eh :) Apr 17 21:13:07 i haven't touched the app beta since i last sent it to you anyways.. Apr 17 21:13:10 yeah, I did too! Apr 17 21:13:16 ... and then yeah Apr 17 21:13:47 the guy I was going to work on it with kind of uh, fucked me over hardcore style so I sort of lost interest in the project :I Apr 17 21:13:47 so, we're pretty sure Veer is only GSM right? Apr 17 21:13:53 ajay: You may be onto something, phones that you just slide a credit card shaped battery into :P Apr 17 21:13:57 at the moment yeah Apr 17 21:13:58 * ajay is SUPER-excited that evernote has voice memos now.. woot! Apr 17 21:14:13 Popple3: quick, let's co-patent it! :) Apr 17 21:14:18 SineOt: d'you think that's likely to change? Apr 17 21:14:35 Yeah, I think it COULD change, but I don't know how likely it is Apr 17 21:14:57 ajay: The effort though.... :P Apr 17 21:14:59 I think Verizon is interested in the Pre3 since it's a world phone and they can market it as such and not put so much out on the line Apr 17 21:15:06 SineOt: oh you had another person to work with? interesting.. Apr 17 21:15:09 I mean, I suppose anything is possible Apr 17 21:15:11 ajay: yeah Apr 17 21:15:18 the words from the verizon ceo some time back make it sound like he's in for webOS Apr 17 21:15:34 and he fucked me over pretty hardcore, like as in to the tune of 2 grand~ Apr 17 21:15:39 ?! Apr 17 21:15:42 SineOT: The Pre3 is a world phone? Apr 17 21:15:45 SineOt: the sprint user in me really hopes it's not VZW Apr 17 21:15:55 ctbeiser: the CDMA version has GSM as well Apr 17 21:15:58 ctbeiser: early on they were claiming GSM & eVDO Rev. A Apr 17 21:16:11 Source? Apr 17 21:16:14 so I thiink that would count as a "world phone' at least as far as Verizon is concerned Apr 17 21:16:14 last I checked though, the pre3 page has nothing about it's connectivity Apr 17 21:16:25 I was really confused about the pre3.. it sounds like it has gsm+cdma in one phone, but is that officially written on palm's site? Apr 17 21:16:32 I was pretty sure there were two different versions. Apr 17 21:16:38 ajay: that's what used to be officially written Apr 17 21:16:39 Maybe it was a misunderstanding, that, unlike the veer (gsm only) they have both cdma and gsm versions? Apr 17 21:17:10 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/the-hp-pre-3/ Apr 17 21:17:18 engadget calls it a world phone Apr 17 21:17:23 and cites the specs I remember seeing Apr 17 21:17:27 damn.. i was just with palm employees last night shoulda asked! eh.. Apr 17 21:18:07 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre3/index.html however, it seems Palm did not put the network specs on the pre3 page Apr 17 21:18:09 With 8 and 16gb storage options…. Waitaminute… 8GB version? For real? Apr 17 21:18:32 summan: yeah I need to hear word from palm before i know for sure, for now i'll just assume we all misunderstood Apr 17 21:18:39 SineOt: you gonna try to go to to the veer event? Apr 17 21:18:48 ajay: it's like, down the street from me :I Apr 17 21:19:00 damn i'm like, hella psychic and shit Apr 17 21:19:09 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/veer/index.html notice the difference between the Veer page, where they do list network specs Apr 17 21:19:11 but the bit on Precentral about needing a ID or ATT/Best Buy badge to get in kind of makes me wonder just who exactly the event is for Apr 17 21:19:24 ajay: try watching the original keynot Apr 17 21:19:28 keynote* Apr 17 21:19:50 See, the Pre3 doesn't actually seem to exist yet. Apr 17 21:20:05 hey does anybody know anything about using cdma workshop, etc, here? Apr 17 21:20:18 ctbeiser: based on what? there have been demo units Apr 17 21:21:40 yeah, I've touched one :p Apr 17 21:21:42 the fact that the pre3 doesn't list network specs isn't so helpful.. ;^) Apr 17 21:22:08 ajay: no, it's just odd Apr 17 21:22:17 summan: I'm not too excited to even skim the whole keynote again :) Apr 17 21:22:30 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/palm-pre-3/ Apr 17 21:22:35 There are your specs. Apr 17 21:22:37 SineOt: sounded like a training event.. you should get trained! :) Apr 17 21:22:40 well, I'm pretty sure they talked about a GSM version and a CDMA+GSM version, soooo Apr 17 21:23:06 ctbeiser: oh yeah, that slide.. yeah i guess that makes it pretty clear.. Apr 17 21:23:07 ajay: I'm gonna see if I can find it Apr 17 21:23:20 well, the "and" is sort of ambiguous Apr 17 21:23:31 summan: ct's link has the important photo.. but "world phone" isn't ambiguous Apr 17 21:23:41 (i think? :) Apr 17 21:24:32 hah, no, you're right Apr 17 21:24:55 that's good.. every phone should have gsm (at the least) Apr 17 21:26:17 I think it's weird it's not listed on the tech specs palm page Apr 17 21:26:36 ajay: I'll ask Adora/chuqui about who exactly the event is for, since Anaheim is like uh... not even 15 minutes from here Apr 17 21:27:08 oh, thats not to far from me... tempting.. Apr 17 21:27:08 SineOt: you should just get a badge and go! :) Apr 17 21:27:20 s/get/have Apr 17 21:27:27 or a job at best buy.. :) Apr 17 21:27:31 s/have/make Apr 17 21:27:37 pft Apr 17 21:29:15 SineOt: oh a business card! that sounds easy... Apr 17 21:29:42 oh, you can do just a business card? :I Apr 17 21:31:08