**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 18 02:59:57 2011 Apr 18 03:06:28 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't have bills to pay yet hehe Apr 18 03:07:19 sadly i pay more for my car+insurance than i do my house+insurance+taxes+gas+electric Apr 18 03:07:58 get a ford pinto and you won't have that problem :p Apr 18 03:08:20 Is that crappy house or awesome car? Apr 18 03:08:34 awesome car Apr 18 03:08:39 indeed Apr 18 03:09:17 brb Apr 18 03:10:14 PatrickC_Pre2: Getting a Pinto would probably be basically the same, because the insurance on those things is ridiculous. Apr 18 03:10:51 i hate ford anyways Apr 18 03:11:47 and this is my car Apr 18 03:11:48 http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/205487_1870507796286_1048858191_2210975_8050716_n.jpg Apr 18 03:13:02 hey PatrickC_Pre2 gonna work on ailiumPDK tomorrow, gotta get this thing done so i can make some more $ and buy more stuff ;p Apr 18 03:13:23 suburu? Apr 18 03:13:40 yeah subaru Apr 18 03:30:05 dawm_ : cool! Apr 18 03:31:38 cant wait! have you started on the PDK version yet# Apr 18 03:33:22 hay graywold336 Apr 18 03:33:53 graywolf336* Apr 18 03:35:06 cwayne: ping! Apr 18 03:41:10 howdy Apr 18 03:41:24 how's it goin? Apr 18 03:42:40 Has anyone else had problems with the emulator on OSX? Apr 18 03:42:57 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't have an OSX machine :/ Apr 18 03:42:59 The biggest problem is it's hard-freezing my machine... Apr 18 03:43:04 wanna donate one :) Apr 18 03:43:30 Oh right, I'll just grab one of these extra computers I have lying around :-) Apr 18 03:43:50 hehe, sure, why not, bestbuy is full of those :D Apr 18 03:44:41 I can't run the emulator anymore, because at some point after its open (I can open it, not do anything, and it still happens), my machine just freezes. No mouse, not even capslock keyboard light works. I have to hold the power button down to get it to turn off. Apr 18 03:44:51 I tried uninstalling and reinstalling both virtual box and the sdk Apr 18 03:44:55 No luck. Apr 18 03:44:57 Any ideas? Apr 18 03:45:13 Which version? Mine did that with 1.4.5 Apr 18 03:45:22 once i installed 2.1 it's been working fine Apr 18 03:45:24 2.1 Apr 18 03:45:56 I don't know then.. And i have that problem on linux sadly Apr 18 03:47:00 The sdk still desn't support virtualbox 4.0, correct? Apr 18 03:47:13 correct Apr 18 03:47:27 no VBox 4.0 support atm Apr 18 03:48:05 madnificent: you here? Apr 18 03:48:21 Well, I guess I'm done working on anything until I can get this working again... Apr 18 03:48:41 you can send me the ipk and I can test ;) Apr 18 03:48:44 have you removed both the sdk and virtualbox? Apr 18 03:49:22 Yes. I'm going to delete the emulator setup from virtual box first, then remove virtual box and the sdk and try installing everything again to see if that helps Apr 18 03:50:10 Wish i could help you out more, good luck Apr 18 03:50:18 Thansk Apr 18 03:50:23 Thanks* Apr 18 03:54:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to write that review Apr 18 03:55:05 * graywolf336 needs to write a scholarship paper that's due tomorrow Apr 18 03:55:26 graywolf336: Not sure if I asked you this already, but in addition to the crashing, I was having problems moving the emulator window to my second monitor Apr 18 03:55:59 I don't have a second monitor, so I can't confirm that... How do you install and launch apps to the emulator? Apr 18 03:56:11 Eclipse Apr 18 03:56:17 command line Apr 18 03:57:00 command line FTW!! lol Apr 18 03:57:05 oh ok Apr 18 03:57:24 I use the webos.sugar for espresso but sometimes use commandline Apr 18 03:57:47 on linux i use eclipse on linux Apr 18 03:57:57 Ah. I already have eclipse for PyDev, so I use that. Apr 18 03:58:29 man, weak sauce. Apr 18 03:58:32 I see Apr 18 03:58:45 summatusmentis: me? Apr 18 03:58:46 vim + palm-install is all you need Apr 18 03:58:55 zinge: non-vim users, mostly :) Apr 18 03:59:03 VIM? Notepad++ Apr 18 03:59:05 summatusmentis: I like tab-complete, so sue me :-) Apr 18 03:59:16 I'm with zinge on this one Apr 18 03:59:24 you can get tab-complete in vim Apr 18 03:59:32 >.> Apr 18 03:59:32 I use vim all day at work Apr 18 03:59:36 i have a question for anyone that is willing to help a newbie Apr 18 03:59:54 I'm reinstalling everything... time to go get food. Thanks for the help. Apr 18 04:00:00 I love me some vim. When I use eclispe, I find myself typing weird : combinations Apr 18 04:00:10 riveregle: we're here to help, they help me a lot Apr 18 04:00:23 haha that's funny! Apr 18 04:00:25 riveregle: I'll certainly try, but I'm probably the wrong person Apr 18 04:00:45 was wondering what i need to dl to start creating an app Apr 18 04:00:57 the SDK Apr 18 04:01:06 what os? Apr 18 04:01:10 or just use Ares if you aren't familiar with web development Apr 18 04:01:48 riveregle: what operating system? Windows? Linux? MacOS? Apr 18 04:01:51 im on a pc w/ win 7 Apr 18 04:02:06 riveregle: https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#windows Apr 18 04:02:23 that explains most about what to install to start developing Apr 18 04:02:37 gracias Apr 18 04:02:44 no problem! Apr 18 04:02:46 riveregle: do you have much HTML/CSS/JS experience? Apr 18 04:03:19 a lil html...neither of the other 2 Apr 18 04:03:28 and you might want to apply for admittance to the Early Access Program to get access to Enyo Apr 18 04:03:46 then you'll need read up on the first app, hello world Apr 18 04:03:52 riveregal: I suggest starting on Ares then Apr 18 04:03:55 riveregle: CSS is pretty straightforward, I feel Apr 18 04:04:04 I'm still trying to wrap my head around JS Apr 18 04:04:10 (but that's because it's not like C) Apr 18 04:04:17 JS is wrapping its head around me :p Apr 18 04:04:19 lol.....ok. tyvm Apr 18 04:04:29 NuttyBunny!!! hi :D Apr 18 04:04:37 then i highly suggest following: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-sdk/ Apr 18 04:04:43 * NuttyBunny lurks Apr 18 04:05:02 riveregale: and feel free to come here with any questions (as long s you have used google to find the answer at least once ;) Apr 18 04:05:11 * PatrickC_Pre2 trips NuttyBunny while he lurks Apr 18 04:05:15 aaaaaargh!!! stupid youtube! load already!! :( Apr 18 04:05:22 what video? Apr 18 04:05:32 I can dl with pre2 and email it ;) Apr 18 04:05:51 mmm... the live streaming from Coachella? Strokes :) Apr 18 04:06:15 wait... *live* youtube?? Apr 18 04:06:40 yup Apr 18 04:06:46 I think specifically for Coachella Apr 18 04:06:48 youtube.com/coachella Apr 18 04:07:00 there have been others in the past Apr 18 04:07:04 U2 x example Apr 18 04:07:10 yeh, the Arcade Fire show, iirc Apr 18 04:07:37 videos disabled in my browser :'( Apr 18 04:07:41 I have Flash though... :p Apr 18 04:08:22 I would believe that it's specifically a chrome/modern browser thing Apr 18 04:08:45 my pre browser doesn't support it?? hehe Apr 18 04:09:27 it's probably using very specific HTML5 stuff that super modern versions of webkit implement Apr 18 04:09:30 or something Apr 18 04:09:40 Ok, cleared my Firefox cache :) Apr 18 04:10:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 looks at the size of that chche Apr 18 04:10:43 it was using 192Mb o_O Apr 18 04:11:05 still loading... it'll drive me crazy. it was working fine at my gf's place Apr 18 04:11:08 wow...... Apr 18 04:13:28 well, I'm off to bed Apr 18 04:13:32 night all Apr 18 05:12:39 man Apr 18 05:12:46 woman. Apr 18 05:12:57 love how audio in a PDK app works so much better than html5audio Apr 18 05:13:00 no latency Apr 18 05:13:16 hah, I'd believe that Apr 18 05:24:26 ;D pause works Apr 18 05:24:52 now if i could only get a reply on the forums as to why i cant clip images Apr 18 07:23:21 morning Apr 18 07:23:27 hi Apr 18 07:23:34 hi hotdp Apr 18 07:24:36 w00t! Completed the Universe 0.8.0 beta! :D Apr 18 07:24:44 hi hotdp and swisstomcat! Apr 18 07:24:48 congratz dkirker Apr 18 07:25:02 i still have the "unsecure" version :o Apr 18 07:25:27 unsecure? The one with the default app problems? Apr 18 07:25:32 yer Apr 18 07:25:43 this one will actually fix that :) Apr 18 07:25:49 cool Apr 18 07:25:56 so i can just "upgrade" ? Apr 18 07:26:37 you probably could Apr 18 07:26:40 hmm Apr 18 07:26:45 oki Apr 18 07:26:47 I am tempted to have you install the fixer first Apr 18 07:26:50 good :) Apr 18 07:26:50 no Apr 18 07:26:51 wait Apr 18 07:26:57 I want you to try to upgrade Apr 18 07:27:03 oki Apr 18 07:27:08 tell me when you are ready Apr 18 07:27:10 and see if you can set the stock web browser as the default Apr 18 07:27:17 email going out shortly Apr 18 07:27:24 oki Apr 18 07:29:04 hi dkirker Apr 18 07:54:02 dkirker thanks for the email Apr 18 07:54:25 hotdp: You're welcome! Apr 18 08:01:18 So excited about Universe!!!! Apr 18 12:03:13 Is there any phonegap people out there? Apr 18 12:20:49 hey guys Apr 18 12:20:59 how do I make a scrim also cover the commandmenu buttons? Apr 18 12:21:11 I tried .palm-scrim { z-index: 10000; } Apr 18 12:24:12 hey Apr 18 12:24:23 hotdp: phonegap problems? Apr 18 13:53:20 welcome Guest5577 Apr 18 13:54:45 I wonder why the veer launches befoe the pre 3 Apr 18 13:54:57 Is the veer the new flag ship phone? Apr 18 13:55:23 Wonders if it also comes with magnifying glasses Apr 18 13:57:20 probably because the Veer is easier to manufacture or was closer to existing designs Apr 18 13:58:17 or because you can fit more in a box so they could ship the launch volume quicker ;) Apr 18 13:58:26 that too Apr 18 13:58:39 but I'm sure HP wold want everything to ship a month ago Apr 18 13:58:42 would. Apr 18 13:58:53 so if it's taking longer, it's because it takes longer. Apr 18 14:00:30 I hope there is a market for a tiny phone with a headphones jack attachment Apr 18 14:01:39 I cannot imagine the battery life being good and you can't replace it Apr 18 14:01:57 I have 4 batteries for the pre. Apr 18 14:03:13 I can imagine a lot of things, so I can certainly imagine that Apr 18 14:04:46 I don't understand palm logic. It is like they want to fail Apr 18 14:06:00 well, I don't think it's a great idea to equate "I don't like it" with "no one will like it' Apr 18 14:06:05 Guest5577: thanks for all the positive vibes! Apr 18 14:06:36 I don't know if there is or not. I think stuff like the ipod nano shows that clearly small size is attractive to many Apr 18 14:10:51 if the pre3 and veer had the same specs I'd go for the veer. I still might Apr 18 14:11:10 veer is nice if you have a tablet anyway Apr 18 14:11:55 Ipod nano has great battery life and u don't type on it Apr 18 14:12:38 the smaller the better, in my opinion, to a point. The veer hits that point pretty much dead on - it's as small as can be and still has the keyboard Apr 18 14:13:23 hotdp: I think Palm/HP may be the smartest of the bunch on that front Apr 18 14:13:47 hotdp: Rubinstein said it correctly "I have a tablet, so I have all I need with a Veer" Apr 18 14:13:59 Guest5577: I'm not sure how you know anything about the veer's battery life Apr 18 14:14:10 also: all smartphones have crap battery life. Apr 18 14:14:14 * hotdp thinks funkatron has a god point Apr 18 14:14:23 *good Apr 18 14:14:25 GOD POINT Apr 18 14:14:36 ✞ Apr 18 14:14:37 * hotdp hears angels Apr 18 14:14:44 funkatron: though admittedly, the pre- is worse than virtually any other smartphone (at least, as any smartphone I've had in my hands) Apr 18 14:15:03 funkatron: so unless they chose to do differently this time, it may be a mess again Apr 18 14:15:04 madnificent: mmmmm... not sure. I only had a Pre- for a little while Apr 18 14:15:15 OCd Pre Plus was not good, but, ya know Apr 18 14:15:25 Pre2 is fine. very normal battery life ime Apr 18 14:15:37 if you use the radios a bunch, they drain fast. Apr 18 14:15:38 funkatron: even with agressive downscaling, I don't last the day from time to time Apr 18 14:15:42 madnificent: indeed! I'm planning on getting a touchpad as well, and almost all of the 'bigger', more intensive apps I would do on that I could do on the touchpad Apr 18 14:16:16 but it's part of the deal with webOS. run multiple apps that connect to the internet in the bg, it's gonna drain the battery Apr 18 14:16:24 funkatron: whereas on most other smartphones, you'll end hard days with 10% or so of battery life. Now that makes you 'trust' the smartphone more. Again, I'm not commenting on the Pre+ nor the Pre2, I haven't touched one of those yet. Apr 18 14:16:38 I find my battery drain depends heavily on the strength of my cell signal Apr 18 14:16:39 pull the sim and let it sit and it'll go for a few days Apr 18 14:16:51 bbl Apr 18 14:17:02 I wouldn't say all smartphones. The pre has crap battery life but at least i could walk around with a bunch of replacements. I could barely get one hour with heavy use on the pre. Apr 18 14:17:05 fprimex: sounds like the perfect combo to me... if you can always take the tablet with you, then it's great... It probably depends on that more than anything else Apr 18 14:17:39 Guest5577: that's unfair, you can use much more of the potential of the pre, sure, you can drain the battery faster, but it has done more for you in that time as well Apr 18 14:17:46 I'm still waiting for someone to come out with a 7" phone though...that will be lol worthy Apr 18 14:18:09 madnificent: I have a bag waiting just for it :P I used to carry around a 10 inch netbook with it.. lemme see if I can find a pic online... Apr 18 14:18:19 Guest5577: eg: my hero didn't drain his battery as fast as the pre when gaming, but then you'd have sucky graphics and lag everywhere... the pre may drain faster, but I'm running a full-fledged Doom in that case... that's not a fair comparison Apr 18 14:18:34 fprimex: cool! :D:D Apr 18 14:18:48 Guest5577: again, you should specify exactly what hardware you mean. I find the PrePlus pretty good non-OCd, and the Pre2 to have very solid battery life Apr 18 14:19:44 The first pre they made on sprint Apr 18 14:20:13 okay, so they've had one hardware revision on that, and have a new, similar device Apr 18 14:20:26 you're comparing it with the first design they did, two years ago Apr 18 14:20:40 * madnificent 's pre usb cable is breaking Apr 18 14:21:08 that doesn't mean you're wrong about it. but I don't think you're looking at the current state of the hardware Apr 18 14:21:44 madnificent: kind of like this.. mine is an older model that is simpler. love this backpack :) Apr 18 14:21:46 madnificent: http://www.bagman.co.uk/images/4A11278C000E31D500012D0100000000.jpg Apr 18 14:22:04 that's only about 10 inches tall Apr 18 14:22:06 that is not a jeep, whatever it says on the label Apr 18 14:22:48 regardless, it's not what I have but is similar Apr 18 14:23:27 I was just kidding. 8) Apr 18 14:24:43 fprimex: on the topic of bags: I have one of JanSport which came with a 10 year warranty (so I bought it under the goal of returning it when it broke, and I've done my best to break it under 'normal' use), it still lasts! Really great bags (I'm not affiliated) Apr 18 14:25:01 funkatron: :P Apr 18 14:25:10 I used a JanSport in undergrad and I agree Apr 18 14:28:00 come on, this is the bag you want: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/aaa5/ Apr 18 14:28:20 does anyone here now have an idea how to do a forward gesture in the emulator? Apr 18 14:28:49 sugardave: looks like a sure path to shoulder pain to me :P Apr 18 14:29:06 fprimex: heh, I have an over-developed right shoulder muscle Apr 18 14:29:23 madnificent: not sure if you can do that Apr 18 14:31:04 madnificent: you need to stalk lemketron, he can answer definiteively Apr 18 14:31:09 okay, I'll dev it on the phone then Apr 18 14:31:30 ah, great, if lemketron notices his name here, I'll start nagging him :) Apr 18 14:31:51 lemketron: ping-a-ling Apr 18 14:34:24 sugardave: he may be working on the next wazzahfahadmnedcoolfeature, I'll sit on his task-stack until he finds some time :) Apr 18 14:49:33 lol Apr 18 14:51:29 anyone want to help me with some HTML real quick? Apr 18 14:51:39 the #html channel isn't of much html Apr 18 14:51:41 :/ Apr 18 14:53:03 hey PatrickC_Pre1, I missed you last time :) Apr 18 14:53:03 http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp Apr 18 14:53:34 america, fuck yeah Apr 18 14:53:50 thanks sugardave.. I'll check Apr 18 14:53:58 what's up madnificent? Apr 18 14:54:56 ok, how do they put the example box with the code in it and make the code not execute? Apr 18 14:55:24 ugh Apr 18 14:55:31 besides magic? Apr 18 14:55:31 with
 probably
Apr 18 14:55:32  havent used my old laptop in like 2yrs
Apr 18 14:55:37  it keeps locking up =/
Apr 18 14:56:23  thanks sugardave, I'll try it
Apr 18 14:56:44  PatrickC_Pre1: any code that's not within a script tag will not be executed :)
Apr 18 14:56:52  PatrickC_Pre1: I'm not fast enough, that's up :)
Apr 18 14:58:04  lololol
Apr 18 14:58:20  oh you're fine.  He won't do what I said and will end up asking the same question again in a little while
Apr 18 14:58:22  but I'm making a tutorial for a friend who doesn't have internet (he lives out where there is no internet) and he wants to learn HTML, and I want to put the script tags in there, but in an example box :)
Apr 18 14:59:09  PatrickC_Pre1: you should escape the < and > tags.  Look at html escape codes for all characters which you need to escape.
Apr 18 14:59:23 * sugardave wonders what the purpose of learning HTML is if there is truly no Internet.
Apr 18 14:59:45  and seriously.. why can i not find a jumpdrive.. but when i dont need one i have em everywhere.. ugh
Apr 18 15:01:12  wait
Apr 18 15:01:15  wait a minute
Apr 18 15:01:17  no
Apr 18 15:01:22  there's somewhere where there's no internet?
Apr 18 15:01:27  sugardave: he wants to get into webOS Dev, but he needs to learn HTML first
Apr 18 15:01:37  well, they don't have the money for HughsNet
Apr 18 15:02:53  and they have Dial-Up, but its really slow, too slow to do html tutorials online
Apr 18 15:03:00  you can be a Mojo dev without knowing hardly anything about HTML...Enyo requires even less markup
Apr 18 15:03:23  PatrickC_Pre1: that's bullshit...dial-up is not too slow to do HTML tutorials
Apr 18 15:03:52  and their PC has worse specs then my laptop... (the one with dial-up)
Apr 18 15:04:23  so bad they can't READ THE SCREEN?
Apr 18 15:04:44  and he can't join the Early Access Program till he gets a dev account, which would require some stuff that's in storage.. and they can't get it for about a month
Apr 18 15:04:48  jeez, you and your peers must have the WORST adaptability and problem-solving skills in the world
Apr 18 15:05:19  lol
Apr 18 15:05:35  dude, do you just make up the craziest-sounding stuff to try and make people angry?  how could something be "in storage" that keeps one from signing up to a service?
Apr 18 15:05:38  I'm just going to make a HTML tutorial that covers the basics, and then when he gets real internet (in abt 1 month) he'll start doing real tutorials
Apr 18 15:06:00  is it his brain that is in storage, or what?
Apr 18 15:06:09  easy solution: buy a damn html book
Apr 18 15:06:13  PatrickC_Pre1: No internet is slow for html tutorials :P
Apr 18 15:06:20  halfhalo: no, they hate books
Apr 18 15:06:22  HATE them
Apr 18 15:06:30  we lived on dial-up many years ago :P
Apr 18 15:06:36  SS card, and stuff like that that is needed for a dev account in the US
Apr 18 15:06:37  well f em, books ftw
Apr 18 15:06:59  PatrickC_Pre1: wow, I haven't had a physical SS card in about 20 years
Apr 18 15:07:04  http://www.amazon.com/HTML-Dummies-Ed-Tittel/dp/076450214X
Apr 18 15:07:05  yet I still know my number
Apr 18 15:07:06  hmmm
Apr 18 15:07:10  he is 14
Apr 18 15:07:13  shocking
Apr 18 15:07:14  so?
Apr 18 15:07:21  wt does that have to do with anything?
Apr 18 15:07:24  he doesn't have his memorized
Apr 18 15:07:24  wtF
Apr 18 15:07:31  that sounds like a personal problem
Apr 18 15:07:38  I don't have mine memorized yet either
Apr 18 15:07:48  that surprises me this much:
Apr 18 15:07:50  }{
Apr 18 15:07:59 * NuttyBunny walks in, says some stupid unrelated nonsense, and walks away ;)
Apr 18 15:08:02  well.. let's be fair.  I'm 20 and only remember most of mine
Apr 18 15:08:05  (as always)
Apr 18 15:08:32  memorize your driver's license and your SSN at a minimum
Apr 18 15:08:38  psh
Apr 18 15:08:50  my dl starts with a d.  that's all I know
Apr 18 15:08:50  phone number is good, too :)
Apr 18 15:09:01  I don't have a drivers license yet.. lol
Apr 18 15:09:10  thank the elder gods
Apr 18 15:09:11  I have my phone # down :D
Apr 18 15:09:16  he does
Apr 18 15:09:52  drivers in LA will eat you alive
Apr 18 15:10:29  he lives in Arkansas lol..
Apr 18 15:10:35  alive, I tells ya
Apr 18 15:10:38  they get permits at 14.. :/
Apr 18 15:11:11  lol idk my license number
Apr 18 15:11:13  just ssn
Apr 18 15:11:57  they made us memorize our dl when I took driver's ed
Apr 18 15:12:09  haha
Apr 18 15:12:18  that's back when people cared about shit, though and not everyone got trophies for participation
Apr 18 15:12:20 * PatrickC_Pre1 took drivers ed, not that hard :D
Apr 18 15:12:21 * halfhalo refrains from making old joke
Apr 18 15:12:56 * PatrickC_Pre1 could make tons of old jokes hehe.. but wont
Apr 18 15:12:59  sugardave: back then, wasnt license number == ssn number?
Apr 18 15:13:08  cwayne: hahah, no :P
Apr 18 15:13:20  sugardave: also, back when you could actually fucking WIN a little league game
Apr 18 15:13:22  now its all
Apr 18 15:13:28  HAY GOOD JOB WERE NOT KEEPING SCORE LOL
Apr 18 15:13:35  PatrickC_Pre1: bring it on, I will school you
Apr 18 15:13:41  cwayne: that's right
Apr 18 15:13:50  those kids are fucked for life
Apr 18 15:13:50  heh.. the local dmv fails everyone the first time
Apr 18 15:14:13  I took my driving test in my mom's mini-van because it was shorter than my car so I could parallel park easier
Apr 18 15:14:23  sugardave: you want to start old jokes? :) I've got tones lol
Apr 18 15:14:40  what was your car? lincoln continental?
Apr 18 15:14:48  or Mark V?
Apr 18 15:15:25  I learned to drive in my current car but took the test in an old volvo I drove a grand total of twice before
Apr 18 15:15:40  i took my test in my '99 camry in a snowstorm
Apr 18 15:15:41  lol
Apr 18 15:15:44  '77 Monte Carlo, 2-door, 350 big block, air shocks....i.e. panty collector
Apr 18 15:15:51  with black tape over the warning lights
Apr 18 15:16:00  lol
Apr 18 15:16:57  I for the life of me cannot parallel park in my current car
Apr 18 15:17:18  fail
Apr 18 15:18:01  I know... I can't tell the distance from my car to anything close behind me
Apr 18 15:18:05  stupid suv
Apr 18 15:18:19  lol
Apr 18 15:18:48  in a sedan? no problem.
Apr 18 15:19:24  I've only parallel parked the Suburban a couple of times, it is daunting for sure
Apr 18 15:20:14  bbl
Apr 18 15:20:30  its the fact that it just ends after the rear window.  I always think there's a trunk there as well, throwing everything off
Apr 18 15:21:53  I will say having a backup camera is nice, even though I have used it a grand total of twice in the car that has it
Apr 18 15:22:12  ah, I don't have that luxury
Apr 18 15:23:06  the infiniti does.  good for backing out of tight spaces only really
Apr 18 15:24:37  ugh
Apr 18 15:24:52  But what's with having the biggest card you can afford?... mine is a pretty small Ford Ka, and it fits everywhere :D
Apr 18 15:24:53  i hate people on the forums that think their helping when all their doing is pissing me off because they cant fucking read
Apr 18 15:25:43  wasting my time is what their doing
Apr 18 15:25:57  I has dog
Apr 18 15:26:36  I has dog also... of course I don't think it's near the size of yours ;)   it's a maltese/french.. pretty small :)
Apr 18 15:26:46  golden retriver
Apr 18 15:26:53  sp...
Apr 18 15:27:55  beautiful dogs
Apr 18 15:28:40  crazy sob's
Apr 18 15:28:44  oh boy, adding a handleLaunch to my AppAssistant breaks my command menu
Apr 18 15:28:59  so many things have unexpected sideeffects
Apr 18 15:29:08  it's a bit frustrating
Apr 18 15:30:18 * sugardave points and laughs at dawm.
Apr 18 15:30:27  hi hotdp
Apr 18 15:30:31  Hi sugardave
Apr 18 15:31:15  I am wanting to play with cloudfoundry right now...
Apr 18 15:32:16  Is there any Sencha Touch devs here?
Apr 18 15:36:22  the silince is killing me..
Apr 18 15:37:15  kill! kill!
Apr 18 15:38:48  meh
Apr 18 15:38:51  forums = fail
Apr 18 15:38:56  figured it out on my own by ACCIDENT
Apr 18 15:40:52  now im installing ubuntu in hopes of trying to get twitter working
Apr 18 15:42:51  fuckyea ubuntu
Apr 18 15:43:36  i also think i need to wipe my old laptop.. its not wanting to stay running
Apr 18 15:43:42  ancient thing
Apr 18 15:44:33  Needs more powa
Apr 18 15:44:59  its an IBM ThinkPad R52..
Apr 18 15:45:31  lol ibm thinkpads
Apr 18 15:48:24  dawm|laptop: reminds me of the guys recommending that the 2.1 pixi guy did his backup by using an ubuntu virtual machine :)
Apr 18 15:48:45  already have that installed
Apr 18 15:48:48  on the macbook
Apr 18 15:49:06  trying to make a damn working usb drive to load 10.10 on the laptop.. but no success..
Apr 18 15:52:31  woah
Apr 18 15:52:40  setting "noWindow" to true
Apr 18 15:52:53  and defining my own handleLaunch method
Apr 18 15:53:09  stops $(..) and $$(...) from working
Apr 18 15:54:12  has anybody experienced that?
Apr 18 15:54:39  ah, apparently
Apr 18 15:58:45  theres no dom
Apr 18 15:58:51  iirc
Apr 18 15:59:31  I have to replace $(id) by this.controller.get
Apr 18 15:59:38  and $$(selector) by this.controller.select
Apr 18 15:59:42  and it's working fine again
Apr 18 15:59:56  phoque: so, why don't you define the functions $ and $$ ?  then you don't need to change anything
Apr 18 15:59:59  but jesus, so much undocumented stuff going on
Apr 18 16:00:05  http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/208477_1881072860406_1048858191_2223713_6987713_n.jpg
Apr 18 16:00:08  michigan fail
Apr 18 16:00:23  I've only used them in a couple of places anyways
Apr 18 16:20:50  hmmm
Apr 18 16:20:59  If I set a timeout
Apr 18 16:21:09  using palm://com.palm.power/timeout
Apr 18 16:21:27  and use the "in" variant
Apr 18 16:21:55  will that thing fire only once
Apr 18 16:21:59  or until I clear it?
Apr 18 16:22:17  only once, I think...but I've not ever used it
Apr 18 16:22:57  hrmmm
Apr 18 16:23:06  dawm|laptop: You mentioned you want to load 10.10 on a laptop via a usb drive? Isn't the machine booting from there or how you're doing it?
Apr 18 16:23:14  so I need to re-set it once it fires
Apr 18 16:29:30  is this channel a reasonable place to ask about a coding question i have with a webos app i'm writing? :)
Apr 18 16:31:43  lozzd: That's the idea :)
Apr 18 16:31:53  huzzah.
Apr 18 16:32:48  im having a huge headache trying to figure out the flow of this thing im writing. there is a search box in the main assistant, that opens a new search scene, which, as part of setup, sets up a list and uses itemCallback to Ajax in some results. works fine. all i want is to update a div with how many results i've got (so the length of the list)
Apr 18 16:33:22  my function to update the div works fine in the activate() section, but the ajax call hasnt finished so it always says 0. it doesnt work in setup, im guessing because everything hasnt been init'd yet?
Apr 18 16:33:50  so i thought, i'd attached a mojo.listChange event to the list, and then when the items were loaded, it would call my function to update the div. but i cant see my function get called at all
Apr 18 16:33:57  same with Mojo.event.propertyChanged
Apr 18 16:34:05  or Mojo.event.listAdd
Apr 18 16:34:41  mmm.. I only do Ares, but maybe someone else could help
Apr 18 16:34:55  You can also post in the Palm or Precentral dev forums
Apr 18 16:35:33  Ares! i didnt know about this. how embarrasing
Apr 18 16:35:48  i was wondering if there was a good idiots-IDE-for-webos
Apr 18 16:35:51  Who plans on buying the touchpad?
Apr 18 16:37:04  lozzd: you probably want to do the div update with the list length in the onSuccess of your Ajax call
Apr 18 16:38:12  sugardave: so i tried that too, and that also seems to fail to find the div, as if it doesnt exist... i was wondering if that was because, from the setup of the scene -> list setup -> ajax so the scene still wasnt ready for that
Apr 18 16:39:10  lozzd: more likely missing a .bind(this) on your onSuccess
Apr 18 16:39:23  if you're using this.controller to do the update
Apr 18 16:39:32  hmm
Apr 18 16:39:34  i am...
Apr 18 16:39:42  webos.pastebin.com
Apr 18 16:39:49  paste up your Ajax request
Apr 18 16:39:56  ha, i remember
Apr 18 16:40:27  i had issues with putting the processing of the results of the ajax request in a seperate function.. i can't remember what issues, probably user error. so the onSuccess is not calling a function, it's inline
Apr 18 16:40:39  that's fine
Apr 18 16:41:18  http://pastebin.com/LtzfDVca
Apr 18 16:42:24  i apologise, im very new to this. i dont seem to have too much of a problem bodging my way through PHP but this is proving difficult for me ;)
Apr 18 16:44:30  lozzd: check this one http://pastebin.com/XNKm7aue
Apr 18 16:44:47  specifically lines 20 and 21
Apr 18 16:44:55  ok, let me try that.
Apr 18 16:44:58  thanks
Apr 18 16:45:41  lozzd: obviously I don't know what your div id is, so change to something that works :)
Apr 18 16:45:47  indeed ;)
Apr 18 16:50:25  eugh, well, it didnt work, and i also have the intersting issue that for some bizarre reason any errors that occur within this ajax request don't output into the error log. so i cant even see what the problem is
Apr 18 16:52:09  are you sure an error is occurring?
Apr 18 16:52:24  i wonder if that's because i have a try and catch around it
Apr 18 16:52:48  hmm well i cant type something that isnt quite syntactically correct, but not enough for teh scene not to load
Apr 18 16:53:38  e.g. if i screw up formatting, put a comma in the wrong place, the scene fails to load, but, for example, for a while I had a "for" block that was incorrect and it simply stopped executing
Apr 18 16:53:49  even a manual Mojo.Log.error after it wasnt run
Apr 18 16:53:54  but with no output into palm-log
Apr 18 16:54:09  lozzd: Can't you find the error in /var/log/messages
Apr 18 16:54:11  ?
Apr 18 16:54:31  nope doesnt appear in there either
Apr 18 16:54:51  and int his example, the code now looks just as in that example (only with the correct div name of course) and the div didnt update, and i didnt get any errors.
Apr 18 16:55:22  ahh i must have an error elsewhere, it updated when there *were* search results
Apr 18 16:56:09  ok, the bind thing worked for some cases at least, so thanks for that :D
Apr 18 16:56:21  i must have an error before the ajax if i have no search results, bah
Apr 18 16:56:42  since Ajax requests and most everything in Mojo are asynchronous, .bind() is your friend
Apr 18 16:56:54  eugh, of course, there is a try/catch block around this
Apr 18 16:57:02  i guess that would stop any errors being output?
Apr 18 16:57:21  (shamelessly copied that from an example)
Apr 18 16:57:39  although the catch is Mojo.Log.error(e); so you'd think it would still output the error
Apr 18 17:01:59   palm-webos user.err hidd: HiddEventIpc.c:440 : _SendEvent: Connection refused [Errors since last msg: 1]
Apr 18 17:02:21  my Pre2 doesn't come up with the UI anymore
Apr 18 17:02:29  all I get is this error message
Apr 18 17:07:30  okay, i delete the try/catch and still no errors :/ either im doing something realllllly special here or there is a bug that makes errors that occur inside a function inside the sucess of an ajax call not appear
Apr 18 17:08:03  you put the try catch inside the onsuccess?
Apr 18 17:08:21  and a Mojo.log.error() in the catchß
Apr 18 17:08:22  ?
Apr 18 17:08:38  yeah i could try that, good idea
Apr 18 17:09:29  you can't catch it outside
Apr 18 17:09:50  what's wrong with my Pre2?
Apr 18 17:11:06  nope, nothing. bah.
Apr 18 17:11:21  ah well, i think i know the error, i'll just try and catch it myself
Apr 18 17:11:25  do you know the onsucces is called?
Apr 18 17:12:55  awesome, finally got my result
Apr 18 17:13:20  yeah, onsuccess was being called, but the JSON i was parsing had "results" as null because there werent any results
Apr 18 17:13:30  making the for loop around parsing the results fail... silently
Apr 18 17:13:53  i still dont know why it's not outputting any errors at all but im gonna move on ;) thanks for your help all
Apr 18 17:15:19  chuqui:  I assume app approval goes first-comes-first-serves?
Apr 18 17:15:50  one app of my apps overtaken another, is the other stuck?
Apr 18 17:18:24  MetaView:  roughly. except when it doesn't because there's a glitch or some app needs more testing or something.
Apr 18 17:20:59  hm, I hope it's not becasue it's stuck once again :)
Apr 18 17:24:15  lets see if this works
Apr 18 17:24:32  making usb drive for ubuntu in ubuntu under vbox
Apr 18 17:24:41  since dd doesnt appear to be working right
Apr 18 17:29:49 * PatrickC_Pre2 stumbles in
Apr 18 17:41:10  so i believe ive got some bad memory in my old laptop, booting into ubuntu off usb it still locks up
Apr 18 17:41:18  :'(
Apr 18 17:41:56  dawm|laptop: Can you boot it with usb/cd and look for the memory test option?
Apr 18 17:42:06  no
Apr 18 17:42:10  its already on the hdd ;p
Apr 18 17:42:27  ah, mmm the last option in grub is mem test, isn't it? :D
Apr 18 17:42:42  not on mine, i dual boot w/ windows on that machine
Apr 18 17:42:55  ah.. wubi?
Apr 18 17:43:29  any1 around here know some planning for linphone ? i've been using the alpha for a while now, and it functions nicely
Apr 18 17:44:16  dawm|laptop: did you install it using the windows (wubi) option?
Apr 18 17:44:25  hell no
Apr 18 17:44:28  lol
Apr 18 17:44:30  lol
Apr 18 17:44:43  "Absolutely stupid all this apps."
Apr 18 17:44:47  greatest review ever?
Apr 18 17:45:08  wow.. lol
Apr 18 17:45:11  zelda 64 is almost 13 years old now? :(
Apr 18 17:45:19  cwayne: what's new in the newest PD?
Apr 18 17:45:28  dawm|laptop: then it should be there! :D, between the linuxes and the windowses ;)
Apr 18 17:45:31  RagingMind: I thought it was older then that..
Apr 18 17:45:45  what i meant was.. it wasnt my last option
Apr 18 17:45:46  PatrickC_Pre2: nothing worthwhile for you guys, but new ads that aren't admob for me :)
Apr 18 17:45:59  im not exactly a noob, just dont use it that often
Apr 18 17:46:16  cwayne: ah ok.. I see ;)
Apr 18 17:46:50  dawm|laptop: I have had problems with buggy motherboards in the past, and graphics cards, it doesn't need to be the memory, what graphics card do you have there?
Apr 18 17:46:58  PatrickC_Pre2: plus the facebook like button :)
Apr 18 17:47:14  NuttyBunny: this has ran ubuntu/windows since like ubuntu8..
Apr 18 17:47:23  i just havent used it in like 2 years
Apr 18 17:47:36  aah... damn... is the fan still working?? :D
Apr 18 17:47:39  its bad memory, so stop playing doctor
Apr 18 17:47:45  :P
Apr 18 17:47:56  ok, ok...
Apr 18 17:48:02 * NuttyBunny goes to his corner
Apr 18 17:48:10  lol
Apr 18 17:48:20  lol
Apr 18 17:48:46  dawm|laptop: how much memory is in it now? and what are you gonna put in it?
Apr 18 17:48:57  1gb, and whatever i can find thats compat
Apr 18 17:50:06  that's 8 times more then I have now :)
Apr 18 17:51:56  PatrickC_Pre2: dude you gotta get a job and buy a better laptop
Apr 18 17:52:13  lol, I need to finish school first :p
Apr 18 17:52:23  debatable
Apr 18 17:52:26  I'm gonna get a summer job, and buy a better laptop
Apr 18 17:52:50 * cwayne misses summer vacations
Apr 18 17:53:13  but for what I'm doing, I don't need a better laptop.. it has a text editor, and cmd line tools for building apps
Apr 18 17:53:24  I have my good machine down stairs
Apr 18 17:53:43  with 4GB RAM, 2TB HDD, and Win7 x64
Apr 18 17:54:51  boo win7
Apr 18 17:55:05  why? its nice and smooth
Apr 18 17:55:26  my dad doesn't want it to dual boot, or it would be a dual-boot Ubuntu 11.04
Apr 18 17:58:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 is writing a tutorial that is at least 9 chapters long...
Apr 18 18:00:09  PatrickC_Pre2: You can install Ubuntu directly to an external hard disk and boot from there whenever you plug it in your machine
Apr 18 18:00:41  will it save settings? and wouldn't I have to reboot the machine and have it boot like a LiveUSB?
Apr 18 18:01:58  one day, 2 times almost the same question to an app of mine...
Apr 18 18:02:14  maybe I should rething the user interface :)
Apr 18 18:02:19  what app, and what question?
Apr 18 18:02:20  lol
Apr 18 18:02:25  any1 around who has experience with openlayers in webOS ?
Apr 18 18:02:26  ImageWorker
Apr 18 18:03:01  I've used the evaluation version, and is nice
Apr 18 18:03:03  the question: I stuck on a blue screen, only 3 buttons for email and stuff on the bottom, help!
Apr 18 18:03:10  thx
Apr 18 18:03:37  I think I need a big green "Continue" button :)
Apr 18 18:04:50  my friend really needs a decent PC/internet.. writing this tutorial isn't fun :p
Apr 18 18:11:45  downgrading one of my phones to 1.4.5 :'(
Apr 18 18:13:56  PatrickC_Pre2: All your files will be saved on the hard disk, you'd repartition the external hard disk, and use that for Linux, it works, I've done it before :D
Apr 18 18:14:57  so, you are saying use an external HDD? lol.. I have one of those, and 3 other HDD's (1 1TB, 2 250GB) and 1 external that is 1TB
Apr 18 18:15:29  lets talk over PM so as to not clutter the channel :)
Apr 18 19:16:44  anyone here still on 1.4.5?
Apr 18 19:18:19  PatrickC_Pre2: my emulator is
Apr 18 19:18:36  lol.. is save/restore still in preware for 1.4.5?
Apr 18 19:19:26  I'm doctoring back to 1.4.5 on one of my devices, but it'll take a few to do that :p
Apr 18 19:25:40  doctor is running :'( bye bye 2.1...
Apr 18 19:26:46  PatrickC_Pre2, why do you go back ?
Apr 18 19:27:22  I have 3 devices, currently no 1.4.5 devices, and I want one so I can test on both 2.1 and 1.4.5
Apr 18 19:27:31  ah
Apr 18 19:30:07 * PatrickC_Pre2 should have made a 1.4.5 Meta-doctor.. but doesn't feel like booting up ubuntu :p
Apr 18 19:53:24  HTML tutorial is coming along.. 4 chapters down, at least 5 to go..
Apr 18 19:56:42  why would you keep your friend from the full learning power of the Internet just because he has dial-up
Apr 18 19:56:46  that's basically evil
Apr 18 19:57:07  he's gonna take real tutorials in about 1 month
Apr 18 19:58:16  why make him wait a month?
Apr 18 19:58:45  cause he doesn't want to do it on dial-up, I want him to, but he doesnt/cant
Apr 18 19:59:01  your friend sounds lame
Apr 18 19:59:51  he isn't allowed on the internet much at the house he lives in.. his grandparents like the phone line to stay open all the time, and don't like people on the PC a lot
Apr 18 20:01:58  there's no library where you guys live?  did the townsfolk burn it down or something?
Apr 18 20:04:09  he lives about 45 min from the library
Apr 18 20:07:00  I don't even know why I bother talking to you
Apr 18 20:07:10  I think I have finally learned my lesson
Apr 18 20:07:19  what?
Apr 18 20:07:20 * halfhalo gives sugardave a cookie
Apr 18 20:07:27  nom nom
Apr 18 20:07:43  he lives really far away from the library..  and they don't go to the library much..
Apr 18 20:08:48 * halfhalo maintains his opinion that web access is a requirement for development on _web_os
Apr 18 20:09:47  he will web access when it comes time for him to dev for webos, but he doesn't need it to learn basic HTML
Apr 18 20:13:20 * halfhalo gives up and walks away
Apr 18 20:14:16 * Simpson_2 is afraid that PatrickC_Pre2 is serious about this
Apr 18 20:14:25  he is
Apr 18 20:27:35  how to reset a webOs phone?
Apr 18 20:27:49  reset in a way to setup your Palm profile?
Apr 18 20:31:07  doctor it?  or maybe you can just run the first-use app again?
Apr 18 20:31:39  just tried  the app-reset in device-info
Apr 18 20:31:48  still booting
Apr 18 20:32:11  looks good
Apr 18 21:01:53  Delete application and data :)
Apr 18 21:17:17  hi all
Apr 18 21:17:21  hey
Apr 18 21:17:39  anyone here use google analytics in their app ?
Apr 18 21:18:04  (I know about metrix, have a very specific need to use GA)
Apr 18 21:21:36  Who wants to help me out by testing the RC of my on-device  ipk-fetcher
Apr 18 21:21:57  It creates and installs a dummy package that can then be updated to the full version
Apr 18 21:22:07  eg for those with no app cat access or for geo-restricted apps
Apr 18 21:57:15  mgschu: YES!
Apr 18 21:57:19  Please
Apr 18 21:57:21  lol
Apr 18 21:57:25  :D
Apr 18 21:58:00 * Popple3 has a total of 3 downloaded apps because of carrier restrictions
Apr 18 21:58:17  that's not much...
Apr 18 21:58:32  exactly, it's nothing, because I can't get anything
Apr 18 21:58:41  I have to use IPK Fetcher
Apr 18 21:58:49  which country?
Apr 18 21:58:52  Ireland
Apr 18 21:58:55  hm
Apr 18 21:59:04  we have app catalog, but only if your device is first activated on O2
Apr 18 21:59:17  oh, even this
Apr 18 21:59:39  it happened to CA too, you might complain at Palm?
Apr 18 22:00:11  Richard Kerris told me on Twitter that they were working on it
Apr 18 22:01:40  MetaView: In Canada, it was only paid apps that were carrier restricted, here it's everything
Apr 18 22:02:12  nothing shows up in App Catalog, and when I go into an app through Preware it says "This app is not available for your carrier"
Apr 18 22:02:45  that's really stupid
Apr 18 22:03:16  MetaView: Indeed. Hopefully they'll stick true to their word and sort it soon
Apr 18 22:03:29 * Popple3 sadly doesn't hold high hopes
Apr 18 22:03:45  the 5 users in Mexico with paid app access are walking over really thin ice...
Apr 18 22:03:49  :)
Apr 18 22:04:25  originally there was no paid app access, but if you managed to install 1.4.5, you could get it..
Apr 18 22:05:30  Popple3: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2940680#post2940680
Apr 18 22:06:00  It only works for free apps though, no way to pay
Apr 18 22:06:18  mgschu: Yeah, that's expected
Apr 18 22:06:38  funny thing is, Impostah says I have paid app catalog access
Apr 18 22:06:44  I just um... Don't have app catalog access
Apr 18 22:07:18  How odd. I have catalog access, but only because I got my Pre pre-activated from ebay
Apr 18 22:07:37  mgschu: Random thought: would you be able to make that app open when you hit install in Preware?
Apr 18 22:07:47  I'm guessing that'd be need to be implemented in preware
Apr 18 22:07:56  s/be//
Apr 18 22:08:09  Popple3: Find the app ID of what you want from Preware, and enter it in DummyMaker
Apr 18 22:08:15  you mean for Preware to launch whatever it installs?
Apr 18 22:08:44  mgschu: I know, but it would be much easier for preware to launch it rather than doing everything manually
Apr 18 22:08:52  Ah, I see
Apr 18 22:08:54  Probably out of your hands though
Apr 18 22:09:01  yes, that would need to be preware side
Apr 18 22:09:17  Unless... A patch...
Apr 18 22:09:24  probably not a great idea to patch Preware though
Apr 18 22:09:28  But this is open source, and there is nothing to stop the entire application being integrated into preware
Apr 18 22:09:51  yeah, here's hoping
Apr 18 22:09:57  mgschu: do you have a cross-app API?
Apr 18 22:10:01  I'm sure if people use and like this, rwhitby could make it an add on
Apr 18 22:10:15  MetaView: No
Apr 18 22:10:17  tell me and I add it into UberAppCat :)
Apr 18 22:10:26  hey is anyone in here from portland?
Apr 18 22:10:28  any tips for making it cross-launch?
Apr 18 22:10:45  the correct way is to use your own app-assistant
Apr 18 22:10:50  or is anyone in here going to jsconf?
Apr 18 22:11:10  durp durp durp
Apr 18 22:11:49  SineOt: derp derp derp
Apr 18 22:12:43 * SineOt perches on Popple3's shoulder.
Apr 18 22:13:07  O.o
Apr 18 22:14:29  I'm an otter what do you expect :I
Apr 18 22:15:44  mgschu: let's talk about tomorrow, if you need help with the app-assistant
Apr 18 22:16:19  SineOt: Um... To stay in the water?
Apr 18 22:16:35  Where's the fun in that :I
Apr 18 22:16:51  you get to swim around?
Apr 18 22:16:53  MetaView: sure. I'll have a go at coding it now
Apr 18 22:17:02  yeah, that would get boring
Apr 18 22:17:44  this coke needs to be cold...
Apr 18 22:18:29  Popple3: Any luck?
Apr 18 22:19:00  just finished rebooting after the permissions patch
Apr 18 22:19:43  Good, that means it's half way to working
Apr 18 22:21:32  mgschu: How long is Make supposed to take...?
Apr 18 22:21:51  A few seconds at most, followed by a notification
Apr 18 22:22:08  in that case, mine's stuck
Apr 18 22:22:20  I'll get a usb cable and check the logs
Apr 18 22:23:08  Check the launcher for an extra icon first, in case the notification failed
Apr 18 22:23:29  mgschu: Nothing there
Apr 18 22:24:11  isn't the log supposed to be in /var/log/messages?
Apr 18 22:24:13  O.o
Apr 18 22:25:34  this probably won't be in the log, most of the leg work is done in bash
Apr 18 22:25:59  What did the screen look like? Was there a spinner or was the box just greyed out
Apr 18 22:26:05  also, what app id did you use?
Apr 18 22:26:09  ah, that would explain why I'm getting nothing from palm-log -f com.mgschu.dummy
Apr 18 22:26:18  mgschu: Just grayed out, no spinner
Apr 18 22:26:23  com.gregstoll.gauth
Apr 18 22:27:34 * Popple3 is an idiot
Apr 18 22:27:45  works for me. Check /media/internal/.developer/
Apr 18 22:27:48  I was looking for /var/log/messages on my macbook instead of through novaterm
Apr 18 22:27:58  and burrow down for an ipk
Apr 18 22:28:12  Popple3: heh, hate that
Apr 18 22:28:27  mgschu: Nothing in there at all
Apr 18 22:28:54  when you do it on a Windows box, you feel even more stupid
Apr 18 22:32:32  mgschu: Absolutely nothing in .developer, and absolutely nothing in the log :/
Apr 18 22:32:55  Ok, I'll package you up a super verbose version
Apr 18 22:33:12  do you have the muffle system log patch?
Apr 18 22:33:29  I didn't know such a thing existed
Apr 18 22:33:36  (that's a no)
Apr 18 22:44:09  Popple3: Testing verbose version on my phone now
Apr 18 22:52:07  Popple3: Still there? http://ompldr.org/iOGJ1Ng
Apr 18 22:52:19  mgschu: I am indeed
Apr 18 22:52:25  just got a bit distracted
Apr 18 22:52:32  should vibrate at four points - status, make, pack, install
Apr 18 22:53:19  javascript logs at start and end, error messages otherwise, and bash logs to /media/internal/.developer/com.mgschu.dummy.srv/
Apr 18 22:54:24  shouldn't need to patch a second time
Apr 18 22:55:38  mgschu: No vibrations, nothing coming up in the js log, and no bash log being created :/
Apr 18 22:55:50 * Popple3 hopes he isn't doing something stupid
Apr 18 22:56:13  what webos version are you on?
Apr 18 22:56:29  mgschu: it's com.mgschu.dummy that's doing the logs, yeah?
Apr 18 22:56:30  mgschu: 2.1
Apr 18 22:56:42  yep
Apr 18 22:57:17  No error messages either?
Apr 18 22:57:26  nope, nothing at all
Apr 18 22:58:49  can you check the contents of /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.mgschu.dummy.srv/
Apr 18 22:59:01  just had a horrible thought that my patch kills my service
Apr 18 22:59:38  Yeah, I did something stupid
Apr 18 22:59:52  it would help if I actually INSTALLED the verbose version..............
Apr 18 23:00:07  :)
Apr 18 23:02:56  ok, well, still nothing
Apr 18 23:03:18  no vibrate, no error, no log?
Apr 18 23:03:20  :(
Apr 18 23:03:27  oh wait, never checked for bash log
Apr 18 23:03:34  no wait, I did
Apr 18 23:03:36  lol
Apr 18 23:03:41  nothing there
Apr 18 23:03:45  is the directory there?
Apr 18 23:03:49  which?
Apr 18 23:04:12  /media/internal/.developer ?
Apr 18 23:04:18  yep
Apr 18 23:04:23  yeah, that's there
Apr 18 23:04:34  what about /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.mgschu.dummy.srv/
Apr 18 23:04:54  files are there
Apr 18 23:05:47  mgschu: same as here http://gitorious.org/mgschu/dummy/trees/master/rootfs/usr/palm/services/com.mgschu.dummy.srv minus the ipk file
Apr 18 23:07:26  can you follow it with lumberjack as it runs?
Apr 18 23:07:49  lumberjack...?
Apr 18 23:08:05  on-device log viewer
Apr 18 23:08:07  view logs in real time
Apr 18 23:08:53  mgschu: well, I was doing that using tail -f /var/log/messages
Apr 18 23:09:04  and palm-log -f com.mgschu.dummy
Apr 18 23:09:26  yeah, I have no idea what is going on
Apr 18 23:10:11  oh oh oh, lumberjack is telling me stuff
Apr 18 23:10:47  try entering a mangled app id, like "com.yourmother..id."
Apr 18 23:11:14  or "com.palm"
Apr 18 23:12:05  logs "Dummy app ID: com.yourmother..id" but does it at each keypress
Apr 18 23:12:18  then logs makeRequest com.yourmother..id
Apr 18 23:12:20  then that's it
Apr 18 23:12:25  same with a proper id too
Apr 18 23:12:43  nothing when you hit make?
Apr 18 23:13:04  just makeRequest com.yourmother..id
Apr 18 23:13:15 * PatrickC_Pre wanders in
Apr 18 23:13:35  PatrickC_Pre: Install this http://ompldr.org/iOGJ1Ng
Apr 18 23:14:01  It should say invalid app id in an error box, when the service rejects the regexp
Apr 18 23:15:26  installing now
Apr 18 23:16:01  and try com.sfr.sfrtv
Apr 18 23:17:06  preware is still download/installing
Apr 18 23:17:20  Popple3: Tell me what /var/palm/ls2/services/pub/com.mgschu.dummy.srv.service looks like
Apr 18 23:19:20  [D-BUS Service]
Apr 18 23:19:31  Name=com.mgschu.dummy.srv
Apr 18 23:20:04  Popple3: Just realised, it needs jaycanuck's homebrew java service. Do you have internalz installed?
Apr 18 23:20:06  I'll DL it and install it in like 5-10 min when i get home
Apr 18 23:20:07  Exec=/var/usr/bin/run-homebrew-js-service /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.mgschu.dummy.srv
Apr 18 23:20:21  preware didn't like it..
Apr 18 23:21:14  mgschu: Nope, I don't
Apr 18 23:21:16 * Popple3 installs
Apr 18 23:22:01  That'll hopefully explain it. I guess I need to add that to the prerequisites
Apr 18 23:22:51  Should be fixed with Preware dependencies if it makes it into a feed, but I really need an error message in there for that
Apr 18 23:22:53  mgschu: I should only need Homebrew JS Services, right?
Apr 18 23:22:57  ye
Apr 18 23:23:03  still nothing :/
Apr 18 23:23:26  pkill LunaSysMgr and try again, check if the logs appear
Apr 18 23:24:34  mgschu: you can easily remove that dependency. Just use the sed method of pre-populating jailusers
Apr 18 23:25:42  rwhitby: it is populated, but it doesn't have access to installNoVerify without using the homebrew service
Apr 18 23:26:11  mgschu: Still the same
Apr 18 23:26:19  no logs?
Apr 18 23:26:22  nope
Apr 18 23:26:27  well, other than the same mojo logs
Apr 18 23:27:02  rwhitby: fancy trying it?
Apr 18 23:28:05  cool, the melodeo apps download with this. I thought they were paid
Apr 18 23:28:33  mgschu: line 53 and 55 of http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/hello.git;a=blob;f=pmPostInstall.script
Apr 18 23:29:11  mgschu: the homebrew service is superfluous in my opinion
Apr 18 23:29:36  mgschu: what's that link again?
Apr 18 23:29:51  PatrickC_Pre2: http://ompldr.org/iOGJ1Ng
Apr 18 23:30:04  thanks
Apr 18 23:30:22  http://ompldr.org/iOGJ1Ng
Apr 18 23:30:35  mgschu: beat you to it :P
Apr 18 23:31:18  mgschu: I already have full US app catalog access on my devices, so would not be a good test.
Apr 18 23:31:39  rwhitby: but you don't live in France
Apr 18 23:31:43  I have full paid/free US access as well
Apr 18 23:31:44  com.sfr.sfrtv
Apr 18 23:31:50  and I live in the US
Apr 18 23:32:07  what are you testing?
Apr 18 23:32:11  mgschu: correct, I live in Australia
Apr 18 23:32:26  rwhitby: The problem lies in creating the dummies in the first place, I doubt app catalog access would change that part's behaviour
Apr 18 23:32:42  Popple3 is correct
Apr 18 23:32:49 * rwhitby bbl
Apr 18 23:33:19  won't let me make it
Apr 18 23:33:28  PatrickC_Pre2: Any spinner at all?
Apr 18 23:33:49  idk, lemme check again
Apr 18 23:33:55  PatrickC_Pre2: Have you got Internalz installed? (Or just the Homebrew JS Services Framework)
Apr 18 23:34:00  yep
Apr 18 23:34:35  no spinner, just error
Apr 18 23:34:40  anyone worked with Synergy Services?
Apr 18 23:34:44  PatrickC_Pre2: You're getting an error?
Apr 18 23:34:47  what comes up?
Apr 18 23:35:04  lemme check
Apr 18 23:35:12  is there an error popup?
Apr 18 23:35:32  yes
Apr 18 23:35:44   /bin/sh: can't create
Apr 18 23:36:10  any more on that line?
Apr 18 23:36:44   /media/internal/.developer/com.appID.srv/make.log: nonexistant direcyory
Apr 18 23:36:45  also check /media/internal/.developer for logs
Apr 18 23:36:56  (appID is the com.mgschu one)
Apr 18 23:38:12  did it vibrate?
Apr 18 23:38:25  not afaik
Apr 18 23:38:31  grrrr
Apr 18 23:39:43  PatrickC_Pre2: try "com.palm" as the app id
Apr 18 23:40:03  ok
Apr 18 23:40:03  also, try manually making that dir and see if it works
Apr 18 23:40:28  com.palm.what?
Apr 18 23:41:25  just com.palm
Apr 18 23:41:57  nope
Apr 18 23:42:20  error?
Apr 18 23:42:51  same error as before
Apr 18 23:42:59  did you make the dir?
Apr 18 23:43:09  not yet
Apr 18 23:43:19  (you are all looking in .developer and not just developer aren't you?)
Apr 18 23:43:45  I haven't looked at either.. yet
Apr 18 23:45:43  my .developer contains no such directory
Apr 18 23:47:13  I really don't want to have to doctor to sort this out...  I'm going to delete anything related to the app on my phone and see what I can do
Apr 19 00:06:46  Popple3: have recreated your problem
Apr 19 00:15:08  mgschu: Sorry, fell asleep there. Did you figure out what's up?
Apr 19 00:18:06  nope
Apr 19 00:18:41  :/
Apr 19 00:19:49  mgschu: Well, I'm gonna head to bed now. Need sleep before work tomorrow. I'll be back on tomorrow to try debug with you (if you haven't figured it out by then). Good luck
Apr 19 00:21:37  mgschu: Feel free to PM my bouncer if you figure it out and I'll test it as soon as I'm back on
Apr 19 00:31:15  msgchu: You freaking genius... you gave me epocrates back, thanks! :D  hehehe
Apr 19 00:31:43  what? lol
Apr 19 00:31:48  NuttyBunny: the app worked for you?!
Apr 19 00:31:58  I've managed to break my own version now
Apr 19 00:32:05  NuttyBunny is the perfect test candidate
Apr 19 00:32:15  well, it's working for me
Apr 19 00:32:41  does it vibrate and update and notify?
Apr 19 00:33:14  It did vibrate at the beginning, and a popup came up: "Error: True", I assume it checked the permissions
Apr 19 00:33:31  yes, that appears to be working perfectly
Apr 19 00:33:35  and after it installed the dummy app it showed a small notification
Apr 19 00:33:40  have you ever beta tested this before?
Apr 19 00:33:48  nope, first install
Apr 19 00:34:06  I didn't thought I would need it until I remembered epocrates :)
Apr 19 00:34:18  you are a genius, I am an idiot. If only you could tell me why...
Apr 19 00:36:17  would this help US residents?
Apr 19 00:37:11  what did I do??
Apr 19 00:37:21  yes, in getting apps that aren't avaliable in the US
Apr 19 00:37:26  but those are probably pretty rare
Apr 19 00:37:37  ah, no, no... I had epocrates once
Apr 19 00:37:52  so, no geo restricted app... but lemme try the one in the post
Apr 19 00:39:20  the problem you're seeing is that after you press update, you get a spinning circle?
Apr 19 00:39:54  because I got that
Apr 19 00:40:39  the problem i see is that i press make and nothing happens
Apr 19 00:41:08  ah, no, it did work here, but I'm not being able to update it
Apr 19 00:41:20  a serious question: what would you want to hear about in my Story of Spaz talk?
Apr 19 00:42:33  NuttyBunny: did it ask you to install a patch the first time you ran it?
Apr 19 00:43:05  Ah, yes, that...I think it did, but I was shuffling cards and it couldn't install it
Apr 19 00:43:18  so, I went to the thread, downloaded the patch and installed it
Apr 19 00:43:52  so, I'm not a good beta tester at all, I tend to try to make things work and forget how I managed to do it :S
Apr 19 00:46:30  I cannot update the sfrtv app :(
Apr 19 00:47:45  NuttyBunny: did you tap on the app, or on the Update All button?
Apr 19 00:48:39  mgschu: it didn't ask me to install a patch..
Apr 19 00:48:51  both of them, also directly in the updates app
Apr 19 00:49:12  and it worked for epocrats?
Apr 19 00:49:19  funkatron: problems you ran into, and how you overcame them?
Apr 19 00:49:28  sure
Apr 19 00:49:45  funkatron: main contributors
Apr 19 00:49:52  ?
Apr 19 00:50:04  who are they, you mean?
Apr 19 00:50:09  derisive comments about other clients ;)
Apr 19 00:50:10  just look in the commit logs
Apr 19 00:50:18  mmm...... so, tapping on the updates button works? (it worked now, but I restarted the Pre)
Apr 19 00:50:19  yeah.. like who's contributing and so on
Apr 19 00:51:33  yep, all the contribution data is in the commit logs
Apr 19 00:52:45  mgschu: Sorry, I misread step 5... damn, I feel like one of the guys that still try to doctor their Pre's with cygwin-created doctors :S
Apr 19 00:53:35  haha
Apr 19 00:53:53  Yeah, if you tap on the app it tries to take you to the catalog page, which is kinda what we want to avoid
Apr 19 00:53:54 * PatrickC_Pre2 almost used cygwin to make a meta-doctor today.. lol
Apr 19 00:53:58  working now then?
Apr 19 00:54:18  NuttyBunny, can you pull some files off your phone for me please?
Apr 19 00:54:47  sure, what do you need?
Apr 19 00:58:22  I'm after - actual files: /var/palm/data/jailusers /var/palm/ls2/services/pub/com.mgschu.dummy.srv.service /var/palm/ls2/roles/pub/com.mgschu.dummy.srv.service
Apr 19 00:58:59  also, run ls -R /var/palm/jail/com.mgschu.dummy.srv/ and let me know if it goes nuts
Apr 19 00:59:19  but only if you know how to stop a command
Apr 19 01:00:13  keel it
Apr 19 01:00:14  hehe.. don't worry, I know my way :)
Apr 19 01:01:43  /var/palm/ls2/roles/pub/com.mgschu.dummy.srv.service doesn't exist
Apr 19 01:02:46  I only have a com.mgschu.dummy.srv.json in  /var/palm/ls2/roles/pub
Apr 19 01:03:12  sorry, that's what I meant
Apr 19 01:04:09  ah, ok. the jail directory looks fine
Apr 19 01:04:24  hold on, where do I send you the files?
Apr 19 01:04:37  zip them and /msg me
Apr 19 01:04:44  ok
Apr 19 01:09:27  I haven't tried dcc send in a looooooong time I don't know if my router will handle it :)
Apr 19 01:11:30  not sure web irc can either!
Apr 19 01:12:35  hahahaha
Apr 19 01:12:42  that could be the problem! :D
Apr 19 01:44:15  Any way to have webos act as an a2dp receiver outputting audio through headphone jack
Apr 19 01:46:51  mmm... I haven't even seen that on a linux machine :(
Apr 19 01:48:35  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1259424
Apr 19 01:48:38  ?
Apr 19 01:49:39  So if it cane done in Linux I just follow the same guide using terminal on a palm pre?
Apr 19 01:51:36  Yep, I think this is the guide they refer to: http://jprvita.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/1-2-3-4-a2dp-stream/
Apr 19 01:51:52  I had tried it a couple of years ago and it couldn't be done before
Apr 19 01:52:08  just check the bluez and pulseaudio versions on the Pre
Apr 19 01:53:27 * PatrickC_Pre2 wanders in
Apr 19 01:53:52  rick, did you ever finished your Ares book?
Apr 19 02:05:01  Adora: I feel a little bad for recommending to NOT request app rejections....but only a little :)
Apr 19 02:05:16  sugardave:  hahahaah
Apr 19 02:05:29  yeah, after I saw like 3 posts, I had to make my clarification  =]
Apr 19 02:06:46  alright, I promise I'll just help people complain about how long it takes :P
Apr 19 02:08:21  is the pre2 dev device program still going?
Apr 19 02:09:08  dunno, don't care :@
Apr 19 02:09:19  lol
Apr 19 02:09:31  hah
Apr 19 02:09:48  I think they can hook you up if you can make a case, but not sure what the official status is
Apr 19 02:11:52  PatrickC_Pre2: Try this one, think I've fixed it
Apr 19 02:12:00  http://ompldr.org/vOGJ3Zg/com.mgschu.dummy.srv_1.0.3_all.ipk
Apr 19 02:13:06  what appID?
Apr 19 02:13:32  com.sfr.sfrtv
Apr 19 02:13:33  the dog running up and down the hall on the floor above me needs to explode in a fiery little ball
Apr 19 02:13:45  lol
Apr 19 02:13:45  not that I'm having a bad week  =]
Apr 19 02:14:14  Adora, is your cat not trained to attack?
Apr 19 02:14:28  Adora: is the dev device program still goin?
Apr 19 02:14:51  mgschu:  all I've trained her to do so far is sit on my purse to keep it from getting stolen
Apr 19 02:15:04  lol
Apr 19 02:15:08  PatrickC_Pre2: good question. I wonder too. I haven't heard anything back for roughly a month or so
Apr 19 02:15:28  Adora, feel like testing something for me?
Apr 19 02:15:30  PatrickC_Pre2:  last I heard it was on hold waiting for a new shipment of devices
Apr 19 02:15:39  I got yer test RIGHT HERE
Apr 19 02:15:48  http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/280772-dummymaker-install-geo-restricted-apps.html
Apr 19 02:16:13  mgschu:  what do you need me to test?
Apr 19 02:16:18  Adora: I heard about the shipment more than a month ago... and then 4 days later somline got his Pre 2 :)  hehehe
Apr 19 02:16:33  link above. works for some, not for others
Apr 19 02:16:58  must be installed with preware or internalz (maybe wosqi)
Apr 19 02:17:25  I don't have any non-us devices to test on, sry
Apr 19 02:19:15  send a pre3 over here and I'll test it myself?
Apr 19 02:19:20  haha
Apr 19 02:19:34  looks like a lot of people got dev phones if there needs to be another shipment
Apr 19 02:20:18 * halfhalo wants pre3nowkthxby
Apr 19 02:20:53 * PatrickC_Pre2 got one
Apr 19 02:21:23  I just got an Xperia Arc, so my Pre- is nothing but a dev phone now
Apr 19 02:21:33 * bnceo has a Veer. TouchPad in box
Apr 19 02:21:51 * NuttyBunny has a Pre 3
Apr 19 02:22:02 * PatrickC_Pre2 robs bnco and nuttybunny's houses
Apr 19 02:22:07 * mgschu hopes bnceo is lying or he will be very upset and might even cry
Apr 19 02:22:38  I have gunther surveilance (like scarface). Good luck! =P
Apr 19 02:22:49 * PatrickC_Pre2 is a NINJA!!
Apr 19 02:23:15  person with a distinct lack of empathy for others > ninja
Apr 19 02:42:57  My emulator keeps getting stuck on loading virtual machine. I'm running Mac 10.6.7, SDK 2.1.0.519, and virtual box 3.2 .12
Apr 19 02:43:53  wish I could help.. but I'm a Win/Ubuntu person..
Apr 19 02:44:02 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes he had OSX
Apr 19 02:44:25  PatrickC_Pre2: you take that back
Apr 19 02:45:00  take what back? lol
Apr 19 02:46:17  I want OSX so I can learn Objective C :)
Apr 19 02:46:39  you don't need osx to learn objective c - you need osx to learn apple's libraries
Apr 19 02:47:19  and I need to learn apple's libraries to learn Objective C for iPhone development
Apr 19 02:47:26  nm, reinstall seems to have fixed
Apr 19 02:48:00  hmm... if I take the app catalog from 2.1 will it install on 1.4.5??
Apr 19 02:48:21  thanks guys, cya
Apr 19 02:48:58  no WOR podcast tonight :'(
Apr 19 02:51:21  time to restore my Pre+
Apr 19 02:53:28  PatrickC_Pre2: learn mojo cookies first before you try tackling ObjectiveC
Apr 19 02:54:39  I need a mac before I can learn objective c lol
Apr 19 02:56:29  apt-cache show gobjc
Apr 19 02:57:12  that a linux cmd?
Apr 19 02:57:52  Show you the details of the objective C package
Apr 19 02:58:19  cool, I'll try that out next time I boot up ubuntu
Apr 19 02:59:16  Though ubuntu probably has a better front-end to apt.
Apr 19 02:59:36  sudo apt-get ?
Apr 19 02:59:38  yeah, synaptic package manager
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