**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 19 02:59:57 2011
Apr 19 03:09:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl.. I'm tired lol
Apr 19 04:52:48 <cwayne> yello
Apr 19 04:59:13 <Guest66011> Just fired up the pre aftr not usingit for 6 months now some of the apps don't work like tweed. I actualy paid for that
Apr 19 05:03:09 <Adora> will someone with a Pre 2 please try to download Crystal Ball from what's new?
Apr 19 05:16:17 <cwayne> Adora: sure
Apr 19 05:17:16 <cwayne> Adora: success
Apr 19 05:17:25 <Adora> \o/
Apr 19 05:17:41 <Adora> looks like the pesky "this app is not available for your model" issue is resolved
Apr 19 05:17:50 <cwayne> woooooo
Apr 19 05:17:54 <Adora> at least I hope it is, because I'm about to push a small storm of apps
Apr 19 05:18:13 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 19 05:18:18 <cwayne> Adora: you ever get complaints of people not being able to review apps?
Apr 19 05:18:31 <Adora> not often
Apr 19 05:18:35 <Adora> been hearing it some for carbon
Apr 19 05:18:49 <cwayne> hmm
Apr 19 05:18:55 <Adora> which had to have some special manual stuff done to it, so I wouldn't be surprised
Apr 19 05:19:07 <Adora> is it happening for other apps?
Apr 19 05:23:45 <cwayne> Adora: heh well i tried to review an app of mine (just so it didn't look like it had a 0 star rating as opposed to 0 ratings) and I get "Could not submit your review at this time"
Apr 19 05:24:08 <Adora> hmm, what app and webOS version?
Apr 19 05:24:17 <dkirker> hi Adora!
Apr 19 05:24:23 <dkirker> I have a cube now!!!!
Apr 19 05:24:28 <Adora> dkirker:  hey buuuuuuuuuuddy!
Apr 19 05:24:39 <halfhalo> heh... cubes....
Apr 19 05:24:52 <dkirker> cubes are awesome!
Apr 19 05:25:03 <halfhalo> their so... square
Apr 19 05:25:27 <dkirker> I was talking about how we should randomly stack them, so that they make a jungle :D
Apr 19 05:25:31 <RagingMind> I kinda miss my cubical
Apr 19 05:26:03 <cwayne> Adora: webos 2.1, app com.poordecisionsnet.wheresmycarpaid
Apr 19 06:51:54 * Adora sighs
Apr 19 06:51:57 <Adora> are the germans awake?
Apr 19 06:52:14 <hotdp> hehe Can you use one from Denmark?
Apr 19 06:52:23 <hotdp> swiss has not been here yet
Apr 19 06:52:52 <Adora> any second opinion works for now, I guess
Apr 19 06:53:05 <hotdp> is it about the app catalog?
Apr 19 06:53:11 <Adora> jes
Apr 19 06:53:14 <Adora> can you check for AuctionMate Pro?
Apr 19 06:53:18 <hotdp> 1 sec
Apr 19 06:53:50 <hotdp> i find both pro and free
Apr 19 06:54:11 <Adora> as do I
Apr 19 06:54:19 <Adora> so why does the dev himself not see it?
Apr 19 06:54:28 <hotdp> hmm
Apr 19 06:54:47 <hotdp> 1 sec i have a mate who has access to the german catalog
Apr 19 06:55:37 <hotdp> He see's both too
Apr 19 06:55:49 <hotdp> so UK catalog and German catalog has both free and pro
Apr 19 06:56:18 <hotdp> Adora: it must be kind of late for you? :)
Apr 19 06:56:43 <Adora> lil bit
Apr 19 06:56:50 <Adora> almost midnight, not too bad
Apr 19 06:56:53 <Adora> been a long day
Apr 19 06:58:20 <hotdp> Is there any more i can do? I am at work at we are three with webos and different catalogs
Apr 19 06:59:22 <Adora> is the german device a pre 2?
Apr 19 07:18:01 <eclecticsheep> hello, is anyone around?
Apr 19 07:20:47 <eclecticsheep> never mind, I think I have figured it out
Apr 19 07:21:14 <eclecticsheep> (I wanted to know how to use another palm profile)
Apr 19 07:26:29 <swisstomcat> morning
Apr 19 07:38:03 <dkirker> SineOt: It does say otterpant! I read that and my response was, "did I read that right?!"
Apr 19 07:39:02 <SineOt> it's short a letter! supposed to be otterpantS
Apr 19 07:39:08 <dkirker> hehe
Apr 19 07:40:26 <hotdp> Adora: yes
Apr 19 07:42:15 <SineOt> but yes! you read it right
Apr 19 07:43:54 <SineOt> Oh, dkirker! Universe is pretty awesome
Apr 19 08:31:08 <Draecos> morn
Apr 19 08:45:57 <madnificent> boin Draecos_
Apr 19 08:50:08 <madnificent> s/boin/moin/
Apr 19 08:50:17 <madnificent> look, I didn't even have a coffee yet
Apr 19 08:51:59 <Draecos_> heh
Apr 19 08:57:16 <madnificent> Draecos_: I made a typo, so it must be morning
Apr 19 08:57:17 <swisstomcat> hey
Apr 19 09:01:47 <madnificent> hello swisstomcat
Apr 19 09:02:58 <madnificent> swisstomcat: have you seen tasks@hand?
Apr 19 09:03:17 <swisstomcat> no?
Apr 19 09:03:43 <madnificent> iz mine!
Apr 19 09:04:25 <madnificent> swisstomcat: it's a todo management app for power users, or something like it.
Apr 19 09:04:40 <swisstomcat> cool
Apr 19 09:04:43 <swisstomcat> can i try it out?
Apr 19 09:04:48 <madnificent> see msg
Apr 19 09:05:33 <madnificent> it's a beta though, I'm still working out the forward swipes for the next release (they break somewhere) and there's an issue with the Inbox in the current beta.
Apr 19 13:33:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> has anyone in here tried installing the 2.1 app catalog on 1.4.5?
Apr 19 13:39:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> Popple3: you here?
Apr 19 13:47:38 <madnificent> hello PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 19 13:47:53 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: (I haven't)
Apr 19 13:49:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, it works!! :)
Apr 19 13:49:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> I now have the 2.1 app cat on 1.4.5
Apr 19 13:52:53 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: is there a benefit to that?
Apr 19 13:53:45 <swisstomcat> all the 2.0 app catalog errors on 1.4.5 ... yay :)
Apr 19 13:53:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I like the look and feel of the 2.1 app cat
Apr 19 13:54:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> and swisstomcat: what do you mean?
Apr 19 13:54:19 <swisstomcat> "this app is not for your model" and stuff like that
Apr 19 13:54:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh.. lol
Apr 19 13:54:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I wonder if it would work vice-versa...
Apr 19 13:55:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> putting the 1.4.5 app cat on 2.1...
Apr 19 14:00:55 <madnificent> does it yield different apps?
Apr 19 14:01:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> not afail
Apr 19 14:01:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> afaik*
Apr 19 14:02:57 <madnificent> I was wondering: are the app reviews the same worldwide?
Apr 19 14:06:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmmmmm... now that I really don't know.. good question
Apr 19 14:11:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone in here want to help me test something?? *PIXI REQUIRED*
Apr 19 14:13:38 * madnificent still hasn't seen a pixi in the wirld
Apr 19 14:13:39 <madnificent> wild
Apr 19 14:14:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I need at least 2 pixi's, so I can use people with 1.4.5 on any device
Apr 19 14:14:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/*PIXI REQUIRED*/*1.4.5 REQUIRED*/
Apr 19 14:16:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> cwayne: you got a Pixi? or any 1.4.5 device (besides the emu)?
Apr 19 14:17:16 <cwayne> PatrickC_Pre2: no sir
Apr 19 14:17:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, thx
Apr 19 14:23:38 <madnificent> PatrickC_School: I do have a pre- with 1.4.5 on it
Apr 19 14:23:51 <PatrickC_School> ok, do I have your email?
Apr 19 14:24:40 <PatrickC_School> anyone here helping mgschu test DummyMaker?
Apr 19 14:25:52 <PatrickC_School> nm, I have your email
Apr 19 14:39:12 * halfhalo is le tired
Apr 19 14:46:25 <halfhalo> up way to late last night
Apr 19 14:49:08 <PatrickC_School> lol
Apr 19 14:49:18 <PatrickC_School> halfhalo: do you have any 1.4.5 devices?
Apr 19 14:49:30 <halfhalo> yes
Apr 19 14:49:45 <PatrickC_School> pre or pixi?
Apr 19 14:49:51 <halfhalo> both
Apr 19 14:49:57 <PatrickC_School> wanna help me test something?
Apr 19 14:50:01 <halfhalo> no
Apr 19 14:50:30 <halfhalo> that's way to much work
Apr 19 14:50:38 <PatrickC_School> its not something I made.. its making 2.x stuff run on 1.4.5. I have the 2.x app catalog running on my 1.4.5 pre
Apr 19 14:50:40 <PatrickC_School> lol
Apr 19 14:51:10 <halfhalo> I have absolutely no incentive to do that
Apr 19 14:51:12 <PatrickC_School> s/2.x stuff/stock 2.x apps/
Apr 19 14:51:20 <PatrickC_School> ok
Apr 19 14:52:08 <halfhalo> ohohoh... boss is out, that means its twp time!
Apr 19 14:52:42 <halfhalo> well, it would be twp time anyways.  but now I gwt the projector
Apr 19 14:53:58 <sugardave> my cat just opened the Gnome terminal help page
Apr 19 14:54:00 <sugardave> bad kitty
Apr 19 14:54:11 <PatrickC_School> lol
Apr 19 14:54:26 <PatrickC_School> nuttybunny, sugardave: wanna help me test something?
Apr 19 14:54:30 <halfhalo> hah
Apr 19 14:54:39 <sugardave> not just no...
Apr 19 14:54:41 <sugardave> but
Apr 19 14:54:43 <sugardave> HELL NAW
Apr 19 14:54:47 <PatrickC_School> its not something I made.. its making 2.x stuff run on 1.4.5. I have the 2.x app catalog running on my 1.4.5 pre
Apr 19 14:54:50 <PatrickC_School> lol
Apr 19 14:55:03 <halfhalo> highfive sugardave
Apr 19 14:55:10 <NuttyBunny> hehehe... but you won't be able to run 2.x specific apps :)
Apr 19 14:55:22 <NuttyBunny> well, they might run, but the 2.x functions won't work :)
Apr 19 14:55:27 <halfhalo> thinkwithportals time
Apr 19 14:55:45 <PatrickC_School> well, you might be able to run some stock 2.x apps (like the app cat and sw manager maybe)
Apr 19 14:55:58 <sugardave> I'm waiting for Orange Box to arrive from gamefly so I can see what this portal thing is all about before I buy portal 2 for PS3
Apr 19 14:56:06 <PatrickC_School> and I don't have a Pixi to test on, and I know you are getting one nuttybunny :)
Apr 19 14:56:10 <halfhalo> su
Apr 19 14:56:25 <halfhalo> sugardave do you have a pc it can run on?
Apr 19 14:56:35 <sugardave> doubtful
Apr 19 14:56:41 <halfhalo> :/
Apr 19 14:56:55 <halfhalo> its so worth it
Apr 19 14:56:59 <sugardave> we have no desktops here anymore and all the laptops are not what you would call gaming-class machines
Apr 19 14:57:07 <halfhalo> and the first was free for a while
Apr 19 14:57:24 <halfhalo> hell, I played the first on my t400 before
Apr 19 14:57:39 <sugardave> yeah, I guess maybe portal 1 could run on one of the laptops
Apr 19 14:58:04 <halfhalo> its the source engine.  it runs on everything
Apr 19 14:58:51 <sugardave> my wife's laptop is the only Windows box, we can take it over :)
Apr 19 14:59:03 <halfhalo> and portal 2 is miles ahead of portal 1 in dialog, and portal 1 was awesome as it is
Apr 19 15:11:35 <halfhalo> herm... this will get interesting... using a magicmouse to play
Apr 19 15:11:44 <graywolf336> yay my app got in the app catalog today!
Apr 19 15:13:09 <sugardave> graywolf336: congratulations!
Apr 19 15:13:49 <graywolf336> sugardave: thanks!! you helped me out a lot when i was starting out, thanks for it all!
Apr 19 15:14:06 <PatrickC_School> graywolf336: what app again?
Apr 19 15:14:25 <graywolf336> PatrickC_School: Imported Radio
Apr 19 15:14:30 <graywolf336> it's a di.fm app
Apr 19 15:14:40 <graywolf336> and also HGR Live (both Pre and Pixi version)
Apr 19 15:16:19 <PatrickC_School> I saw that app, almost downloaded it (but didn't really know what it did) and I haven't read the description yet :)
Apr 19 15:17:26 <graywolf336> PatrickC_School: Yeah I just did both of them to learn how to make apps, so I really ain't expecting many people to download them. But if they do, that's cool with me :)
Apr 19 15:20:19 <PatrickC_School> yeah.. the apps I have out now I don't expect many people to buy either :)
Apr 19 15:21:47 <halfhalo> fff I don't think the one app I put out works right now
Apr 19 15:22:01 <graywolf336> halfhalo: which app is it?
Apr 19 15:22:02 <PatrickC_School> what app?
Apr 19 15:22:21 <halfhalo> steamfriends
Apr 19 15:22:37 <halfhalo> never released in regular catalog
Apr 19 15:22:39 <halfhalo> but
Apr 19 15:22:48 <halfhalo>  people keep asking for it to be updated in the WD feed
Apr 19 15:22:55 <sugardave> heh
Apr 19 15:22:56 <graywolf336> oh i see
Apr 19 15:23:10 <sugardave> effort
Apr 19 15:23:47 <halfhalo> the whole thing has to be written from scratch again anywho, so waiting for enyo to release to do it at this point
Apr 19 15:24:17 <sugardave> that's a good plan
Apr 19 15:24:24 <graywolf336> makes sense
Apr 19 15:24:42 <halfhalo> by then I should have an actual site up for it as well!
Apr 19 15:24:50 <halfhalo> hopefully...
Apr 19 15:24:56 <halfhalo> ah, who am I kidding
Apr 19 15:25:06 <sugardave> haha
Apr 19 15:25:09 <graywolf336> haha
Apr 19 15:25:28 <sugardave> I'm going to have coffee with Ben C. today
Apr 19 15:25:39 <halfhalo> that shit is never getting done, I have no incentive to make a front facing site
Apr 19 15:25:41 <halfhalo> cool!
Apr 19 15:25:52 <graywolf336> nice! enjoy
Apr 19 15:26:01 <graywolf336> what's the purpose of the app?
Apr 19 15:27:21 <PatrickC_School> sugardave: awesome!
Apr 19 15:27:23 <halfhalo> of steamfriends? lets you view your steam friends and their current status, what games they are playing, their achievments in said game if they support it, and at one point it let you view the server info of supported games
Apr 19 15:27:49 <PatrickC_School> so, its like a facebook/twitter?
Apr 19 15:27:56 <halfhalo> no
Apr 19 15:28:17 <graywolf336> oh i got ya
Apr 19 15:29:19 <halfhalo> and to reimplement the server stat stuff I most likely will have to remake the sso web interface, which will be both really fun and a pain
Apr 19 15:30:19 <graywolf336> ouch.. I know the feeling of not wanting to redo something, have had to do that a couple time with client's websites
Apr 19 15:30:42 <halfhalo> well. it was never finished in the first place
Apr 19 15:31:32 <graywolf336> ohhh
Apr 19 15:56:23 <PatrickC_School> brb
Apr 19 16:16:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> now I just need a domain and webspace...
Apr 19 16:18:02 * madnificent registered a domain as well, doesn't have decent webspace though
Apr 19 16:19:00 <madnificent> what I run is being ran on an old laptop (the first amd64 processors (which were only semi-mobile, as the mobile branch came out too late)) which handles my other server needs as weel
Apr 19 16:19:04 <madnificent> s/weel/well
Apr 19 16:19:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll get you a good host provider.. 1 second
Apr 19 16:19:57 * NuttyBunny used to be his own provider.. hehehe
Apr 19 16:20:13 <NuttyBunny> dyndns rocks :D
Apr 19 16:20:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://floathost.com/
Apr 19 16:20:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny: lol, wanna give me some space and a domain? :)
Apr 19 16:21:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: my friend owns that site, and is very trustworthy, and pretty cheap on prices
Apr 19 16:21:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning chuqui
Apr 19 16:21:14 <NuttyBunny> hahaha.. Really? via a 128kbps upload line? :D
Apr 19 16:21:19 <NuttyBunny> mornin' chuqui :)
Apr 19 16:23:14 <chuqui> hey, morning!
Apr 19 16:34:25 <nebula> yo
Apr 19 16:35:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay nebula
Apr 19 16:35:34 <nebula> sup
Apr 19 16:41:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin nebula?
Apr 19 16:42:47 <nebula> nada
Apr 19 16:42:54 <nebula> oh, well
Apr 19 16:43:07 <funkatron> OH MY GOD
Apr 19 16:43:45 <sugardave> funkatron: bitch bitch bitch, moan moan moan
Apr 19 16:43:57 <nebula> rinse repeat
Apr 19 16:46:19 <NuttyBunny> what's wrong this time funkatron? :D
Apr 19 16:46:21 <funkatron> christ on a crutch people. if it matters that much to you that you just can't stop talking about it, change it.
Apr 19 16:46:30 <funkatron> "this time"
Apr 19 16:46:31 <funkatron> hahah
Apr 19 16:48:04 <sugardave> haeffb: hold it down, it's time for my naplunch
Apr 19 16:58:00 <funkatron> but seriously folks
Apr 19 17:00:49 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: I don't think your friend will want to host my site :)  It's running sekrit alien teknology!
Apr 19 17:00:53 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: meaning lisp
Apr 19 17:01:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok, you can check though :)
Apr 19 17:01:19 <madnificent> funkatron: what happened?
Apr 19 17:01:43 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: if I can free a budget, I'll look at it
Apr 19 17:02:00 <funkatron> oh nothing big. someone reports what they think is a bug. I say "please file it at XXX, but it is likely this issue, and I don't think it's worth addressing"
Apr 19 17:02:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe ok
Apr 19 17:02:15 <funkatron> then people continue to say "oh, you should do this to fix it"
Apr 19 17:02:31 <funkatron> as opposed to say, just filing where I asked them to
Apr 19 17:02:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> if they know how to fix it, then why don't they fix it?
Apr 19 17:02:46 <funkatron> and I say "well, if you're worred about it, submit a fix"
Apr 19 17:02:56 <funkatron> then they say "I don't care if it's fixed, I don't use your app"
Apr 19 17:03:01 <funkatron> SO WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IT
Apr 19 17:03:17 <madnificent> funkatron: LMAO
Apr 19 17:03:45 <madnificent> funkatron: let the trolls be trolls and enjoy life :)
Apr 19 17:03:51 <funkatron> yeah, I know
Apr 19 17:04:16 <funkatron> he probably doesn't mean real badness, but I think people believe they are doing me a favor with stuff like this
Apr 19 17:04:19 <funkatron> or by using Spaz
Apr 19 17:04:22 <funkatron> and well, not really.
Apr 19 17:04:58 <madnificent> funkatron: I wouldn't use Spaz if it wasn't for you.  It misses feature <X> which I don't know exists but still want!
Apr 19 17:05:00 <funkatron> what's a shame is that Rich Dunbar felt bad about starting this thing, and he didn't
Apr 19 17:05:05 <funkatron> haha
Apr 19 17:05:07 <madnificent> funkatron: fix it! slave!
Apr 19 17:05:54 <NuttyBunny> hahaha
Apr 19 17:05:56 <madnificent> funkatron: not that I don't appreciate it, but I don't quite grasp why spaz is free, it seems to be on par to be a payed app (though I wouldn't be able to buy it, so I'm glad you've made it free)
Apr 19 17:06:27 <funkatron> madnificent: because I define success differently than most of the other app devs on webOS
Apr 19 17:06:45 <funkatron> and I actively do not want to monetize it because of how I define success
Apr 19 17:06:47 <madnificent> care to elaborate?
Apr 19 17:06:55 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: People are ungrateful, even if you give them stuff they'll complain anyway, there's just no way to please everyone :(
Apr 19 17:06:57 <madnificent> as in: I'm interested
Apr 19 17:07:08 <funkatron> http://help.getspaz.com/kb/general-25/statement-of-purpose
Apr 19 17:07:11 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: you don't need to please people to make things better
Apr 19 17:07:26 <funkatron> true, you cannot make everyone happy
Apr 19 17:07:42 <funkatron> but also, I do not make it for the purpose of getting users
Apr 19 17:07:54 <NuttyBunny> madnificent: you don't need to hear every troll to be successful :)
Apr 19 17:08:10 <funkatron> therefore, if someone uses it, great, but it's not relevant to the success or failure of the project
Apr 19 17:08:55 <madnificent> funkatron: nice!!!
Apr 19 17:09:41 <funkatron> If I charged money for it, it would change my motivation
Apr 19 17:10:15 <funkatron> I actually sometime regret doing the special edition because of this. I've had a couple users write me and say "oh, I paid for this, it should do X Y Z"
Apr 19 17:10:30 <funkatron> even though it's quite clear in the description what the nature of the purchase is
Apr 19 17:10:38 <funkatron> anyway people don't read.
Apr 19 17:11:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's read?
Apr 19 17:11:30 <madnificent> funkatron: yeah, that's true...  I've had some users who've read my very tedious manual though...
Apr 19 17:11:34 <madnificent> I felt sorry when they wrote me that they did
Apr 19 17:11:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe, I still haven't finished it :p
Apr 19 17:12:12 <madnificent> finished what?
Apr 19 17:12:35 <funkatron> haha
Apr 19 17:13:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> the manual lol
Apr 19 17:13:20 <madnificent> you're reading my manual?
Apr 19 17:13:26 <madnificent> or you're writing a manual?
Apr 19 17:13:56 * madnificent seems to lack focus atm
Apr 19 17:14:03 <funkatron> manual.
Apr 19 17:16:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> reading to figure out how to use before I review :p
Apr 19 17:17:14 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: feel free to ask questions if something isn't clear.  I wrote the manual for people that didn't have other sources yet.  Some people have tanked me for writing it though (which is odd, why do they mail me, I have virtually no users)
Apr 19 17:19:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol, you have good users :)
Apr 19 17:20:05 <madnificent> I think my buying users bought it because it's centered around GTD, knowing that methodology certainly makes it easier
Apr 19 17:20:35 <madnificent> and the description also says that it's built for power users.  It's not that bad that there's a learning curve,  I believe our current user interfaces are built incorrectly
Apr 19 17:21:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> Universe is the best browser ever!!
Apr 19 17:21:26 <avarus> ola
Apr 19 17:21:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> ey avarus
Apr 19 17:21:44 <avarus> best browser in the ... universe? :P
Apr 19 17:21:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe yep
Apr 19 17:22:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna review it on my site soon, so if you want a sneak peek, stay tuned :)
Apr 19 17:22:27 <avarus> for that I have to know the url to your site
Apr 19 17:22:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com :)
Apr 19 17:22:52 <avarus> thx
Apr 19 17:23:05 <funkatron> madnificent: hate me because I don't know what the manual is for
Apr 19 17:23:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> tasks@hand
Apr 19 17:23:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> afternoon metaview
Apr 19 17:25:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks to nuttybunny, this HTML tutorial should be done sooner then expected :)
Apr 19 17:26:55 <MetaView> hi
Apr 19 17:27:14 <avarus> PatrickC_Pre2, let me guess...the browser is for webos 2 only?
Apr 19 17:28:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> nope, 1.4.5 and 2.x :)
Apr 19 17:28:36 <avarus> where can I get it then :P? sorry if that's not a valid question yet :D
Apr 19 17:28:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> its still in beta :)
Apr 19 17:28:59 <avarus> yea :P
Apr 19 17:29:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> email beta@openmobl.com to get into the beta :)
Apr 19 17:30:32 <avarus> thanks
Apr 19 17:31:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> np
Apr 19 17:38:40 <NuttyBunny> Adora: It took you a while to reach this point about the app catalog issues :D
Apr 19 17:39:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> what app cat issues? :p
Apr 19 17:40:42 <NuttyBunny>  *all* app cat issues... check @Adora's latest tweet :)
Apr 19 17:43:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> llol
Apr 19 17:43:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol*
Apr 19 17:43:50 <avarus> have to leave; see you :) bye
Apr 19 17:44:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya
Apr 19 17:46:57 <NuttyBunny> cya
Apr 19 17:57:39 * madnificent is happy and goes back to boring stuff
Apr 19 18:00:35 <dawm_> http://i.imgur.com/PTQOa.jpg
Apr 19 18:00:50 <dawm_> LOL
Apr 19 18:01:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehehe
Apr 19 18:02:57 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Apr 19 18:11:32 <dawm_> http://tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/2011/04/18/rollerblade-like-no-ones-watching/?xrs=synd_facebook
Apr 19 18:15:27 <mgschu> Anyone from Palm here?
Apr 19 18:16:05 <bemjb> I think twitter tends to be more reliable for that
Apr 19 18:17:41 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnapb-30hA
Apr 19 18:17:44 <dawm_> awesome!
Apr 19 18:18:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> I like Amish Paradise :p
Apr 19 18:21:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm_ how's ailium comin?
Apr 19 18:22:10 <dawm_> meh, i got it to clip images, just gotta port over code now. then tackle multiple scenes as well as web integration. gonna start playing with it in a bit
Apr 19 18:25:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> can't wait for it to be done :p
Apr 19 18:39:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> time to start on that tutorial again
Apr 19 19:06:38 <dawm|laptop> patrick you suck balls
Apr 19 19:07:53 <sugardave> hahahaha
Apr 19 19:07:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny: you here?
Apr 19 19:08:44 <NuttyBunny> yup
Apr 19 19:09:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> its done, I'll email you an updated version as soon as I can
Apr 19 19:09:46 <NuttyBunny> ok
Apr 19 19:09:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> it didn't take me as long as I thought it would :)
Apr 19 19:17:16 <dawm|laptop> haha
Apr 19 19:17:20 <dawm|laptop> dave you like that?.. what timing
Apr 19 19:17:51 <dawm_> PatrickC_Pre2,
Apr 19 19:19:31 <dawm|laptop> man c++ is so weak.. no associative arrays?
Apr 19 19:20:52 <Robdor> dawm|laptop: use a hash_map
Apr 19 19:21:12 <dawm|laptop> yeah i tried not working the way i planned, but i dont need em right now
Apr 19 19:21:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm_ what's up?
Apr 19 19:21:52 <sugardave> dawm|laptop: that was hilarious
Apr 19 19:22:03 <dawm_> <dawm|laptop> patrick you suck balls
Apr 19 19:22:03 <dawm_> * PatrickC_Pre2 (~Patrick_C@unaffiliated/patrick-c/x-9440769) has joined #webos
Apr 19 19:22:03 <dawm_> <sugardave> hahahaha
Apr 19 19:22:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> I missed it, didn't i?
Apr 19 19:22:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> wow.. lol
Apr 19 19:22:39 <dawm_> <-- WINNAR
Apr 19 19:22:49 * PatrickC_Pre2 smacks dawm_ :p
Apr 19 19:23:02 <dawm|laptop> i need a roller mat.. chair doesnt wanna roll from desk to desk easily
Apr 19 19:26:09 * PatrickC_Pre2 is trying to decide if he should put his tutorial on the web or in an app...
Apr 19 19:27:33 <sugardave> if you choose on the web I will kill you dead through your Pre 2
Apr 19 19:27:53 <sugardave> because the whole point was that your friend can't do html tutorials from dial-up, remember?
Apr 19 19:29:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna email it to him, but I'm also debating on putting it on the web too..
Apr 19 19:30:45 <NuttyBunny> no, no web, app
Apr 19 19:31:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, app it is
Apr 19 19:31:03 <NuttyBunny> forget the web, it doesn't exist anymore, only through webOS
Apr 19 19:31:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 19 19:31:45 * NuttyBunny feels like a fanboi 
Apr 19 19:32:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm.. I'll be the first one in there :)
Apr 19 19:53:04 <phoque> hey guys
Apr 19 19:53:20 <phoque> say, am I not allowed to save my own objects in a database?
Apr 19 19:53:38 <phoque> it appears that the objects that I read from it lose all their methods
Apr 19 19:53:56 <dawm|laptop> that idiot left again...
Apr 19 19:53:56 <phoque> hmmm
Apr 19 19:54:08 <phoque> now that I've formulated my issue like this
Apr 19 19:54:10 <sanaKing> ho there
Apr 19 19:54:27 <phoque> sounds like a case for Class.prototype.method = function
Apr 19 20:01:48 <phoque> dang, doesn't help
Apr 19 20:02:03 <phoque> does anybody have a clue?
Apr 19 20:04:07 <rsanchez1> hey guys, I have a quick question concerning the app catalog
Apr 19 20:05:10 <mgschu> go ahead
Apr 19 20:05:25 <rsanchez1> let's say I have an app in the catalog now, but an update to the app uses hybrid functionality that won't be available to 1.4.5 users. I still want 1.4.5 users to use the app, so can I resubmit the app with a new appid, so that users on 1.4.5 can continue to use the app, while people on 2.1 can download the update with new features?
Apr 19 20:09:34 <rsanchez1> hoping maybe Adora was here to answer...
Apr 19 20:09:49 <mgschu> someone else has asked that before
Apr 19 20:09:59 <mgschu> I think the solution was to submit two versions
Apr 19 20:10:08 <rsanchez1> ok, I guess I'll do that then
Apr 19 20:10:46 <rsanchez1> really, it's ridiculous that hybrid apps that work fine on older devices aren't allowed to be installed on those devices from the app catalog, but I guess this is what we have to do
Apr 19 20:12:54 <mgschu> Wasn't 1.4.5 the update that brought the groundwork for flash and hybrid apps?
Apr 19 20:13:06 <mgschu> Just remeber, Godot never comes
Apr 19 20:13:26 <rsanchez1> I don't know about flash, but it did bring the groundwork for hybrid apps
Apr 19 20:13:38 <rsanchez1> more than that, it allowed fully functional hybrid apps
Apr 19 20:14:05 <rsanchez1> for example, wIRC works on 1.4.5, and on Pixi's as well (even though Palm's PDK docs say hybrids won't work on Pixi's)
Apr 19 20:14:53 <rsanchez1> supposedly it's in "beta", but it looks more like beta like Gmail was in beta, than beta like it doesn't work beta
Apr 19 20:15:04 <rsanchez1> if that makes sense
Apr 19 20:15:39 <mgschu> I do wonder how many of these things are queued, ready to be unleashed if Palm decide to allow them
Apr 19 20:16:03 <rsanchez1> to me it seems like someone made a decision not to allow them in the 1.4.5 catalog a long time ago, and no one today wants to review that decision, repeatedly throwing a lame excuse as to why they won't allow them in the 1.4.5 catalog
Apr 19 20:16:42 <rsanchez1> the only explanation I can get as to why they aren't allowed is that if a user updates the app while the app is running, then it will "break" the plugin, forcing the user to reinstall the app
Apr 19 20:17:05 <mgschu> updates force-close apps anyway though
Apr 19 20:17:06 <rsanchez1> honestly, compare to other bugs, such as the media indexer bug in 2.1, asking a user to reinstall the app is nothing
Apr 19 20:17:43 <rsanchez1> but for whatever reason they don't want to deal with it
Apr 19 20:18:12 <rsanchez1> maybe it will take one of the larger apps doing hybrids for them to look at it again
Apr 19 20:18:22 <mgschu> like docs2go?
Apr 19 20:18:26 <SineOt> I think it just boils down to them knowing that 1.4.5 has been dead in the water for a while
Apr 19 20:18:36 <SineOt> and planning internally for the 2.1 update
Apr 19 20:18:40 <SineOt> which now won't happen
Apr 19 20:18:41 <rsanchez1> there's still a fair amount of users on 1.4.5 though
Apr 19 20:18:46 <SineOt> rock and a hard place
Apr 19 20:18:51 <mgschu> most, I imagine
Apr 19 20:18:53 <rsanchez1> users that can still use hybrid apps
Apr 19 20:19:15 <rsanchez1> even if they don't want to or don't have the ability to upgrade to 2.1
Apr 19 20:20:06 <rsanchez1> docs2go and Quickoffice are different developers, right?
Apr 19 20:20:10 <mgschu> yes
Apr 19 20:20:24 <rsanchez1> yeah, so we probably won't be seeing docs2go back for a while
Apr 19 20:20:30 <rsanchez1> by then they won't care about older devices
Apr 19 20:21:05 <mgschu> there was speculation that they pulled out because they'd been bought out by rim
Apr 19 20:21:17 <mgschu> but they're still in iOS and Android cats
Apr 19 20:21:47 <rsanchez1> when did they pull out?
Apr 19 20:22:16 * rsanchez1 is fuzzy on Palm history before last October
Apr 19 20:22:30 <mgschu> around the same time as quickoffice filled the void, when 2.1 was just a rumour
Apr 19 20:43:05 <sanaKing> haha the "more stories" on P|C are like a year old.. silly people.. (first is Pre Plus, Pixi Plus coming to O2 UK May 28th
Apr 19 20:45:08 <dawm|laptop> ahh.. so much better.. stupid wooden ikea chair
Apr 19 20:45:18 <dawm|laptop> stole a cushion from my kitchen chair
Apr 19 20:46:26 <dawm|laptop> whoa what?
Apr 19 20:46:35 <dawm|laptop> why is there a tweet menu item in xcode
Apr 19 20:46:47 <sanaKing> ok ttfn!
Apr 19 20:47:04 <dawm|laptop> hah.. it makes a tweet of the selected text. thats weird
Apr 19 21:15:03 <SineOt> I think that's something that Twitter for Mac does in 10.6
Apr 19 21:34:45 <dawm|laptop> SineOt: yeah.. stupid tho
Apr 19 21:34:53 <dawm|laptop> anything youd want to share would be longer than 141
Apr 19 21:35:20 <SineOt> yeah, probably
Apr 19 21:35:35 <SineOt> but since it supports twitlonger or whatever it doesn't really matter!
Apr 19 21:38:09 * sugardave_pre got to play with a TouchPad briefly.
Apr 19 21:38:16 <sugardave_pre> pretty sweet
Apr 19 21:38:18 <dawm|laptop> why you
Apr 19 21:38:21 <halfhalo> i bet
Apr 19 21:38:36 <sugardave_pre> becaus I am awesome?
Apr 19 21:39:04 <Tibfib> sugardave_pre: nice!
Apr 19 21:39:16 <Tibfib> sugardave_pre: get a chance to play with music player?
Apr 19 21:39:18 <sugardave_pre> it's nice and sturdy
Apr 19 21:39:21 <halfhalo> so, who has portal 2?
Apr 19 21:39:26 * Tibfib does not
Apr 19 21:39:34 <sugardave_pre> no, it had no connection
Apr 19 21:39:34 * halfhalo hasn't played with TP yet... pre3 and veer tho yes
Apr 19 21:40:01 <sugardave_pre> vkb is really cool
Apr 19 21:40:06 <Tibfib> nice
Apr 19 21:40:13 * Tibfib REALLY wants a touchpad size device
Apr 19 21:40:20 <Tibfib> would be great for reading
Apr 19 21:40:41 <sugardave_pre> really can't wait to own one now
Apr 19 21:40:57 <sugardave_pre> yeah, kindle ap will rock on there
Apr 19 21:41:21 <Tibfib> I wasn't even referring to kindle, although that'll be nice
Apr 19 21:41:31 <Tibfib> just want to use it to read docs online
Apr 19 21:41:46 <sugardave_pre> oh, sure :)
Apr 19 21:42:10 <sugardave_pre> omg these smokers are killing me
Apr 19 21:42:38 <RagingMind> literally :(
Apr 19 21:44:05 <dawm|laptop> dave, where are you
Apr 19 21:45:13 <dawm|laptop> https://twitter.com/palm/status/60458328488284160
Apr 19 21:45:15 <dawm|laptop> HAHAHA
Apr 19 21:46:27 <sugardave_pre> i'm at the coffee shop waiting for my wife to come get me
Apr 19 21:46:44 <dawm|laptop> woo.. figured out what iwas puzzling me ;D
Apr 19 21:47:07 <sugardave_pre> ?
Apr 19 21:47:27 <sugardave_pre> ride is here, time to go clothes shopping
Apr 19 21:49:01 <Tibfib> sugardave_pre: are you still in ca?
Apr 19 21:53:25 <sugardave_pre> no, i'm in austin...to cali tomorrow
Apr 19 21:53:41 <Tibfib> oh, where did you play with a touchpad?
Apr 19 21:54:24 <dawm|laptop> woo
Apr 19 21:54:39 <dawm|laptop> this is slowly working exactly as the canvas version ;D
Apr 19 21:56:50 <dawm|laptop> ugh
Apr 19 21:57:02 <dawm|laptop> globals are really starting to piss me off.. by that i mean they arent being global
Apr 19 21:58:39 <rwhitby> got a webOS design question for you folks
Apr 19 21:58:58 <rwhitby> I've got a multi-scene app (Impostah).
Apr 19 22:00:03 <rwhitby> You can get to the "Load JSON File" scene by one of two ways, via the Device Profile overrides scene or the Palm Profile overrides scene. Each of them pass in some arguments (the filename, and a callback to call with the loaded file contents) to the load json scene.
Apr 19 22:00:22 <rwhitby> that all works fine
Apr 19 22:00:49 <dawm|laptop> wheres the question
Apr 19 22:00:55 <madnificent> dawm|laptop: suspense!
Apr 19 22:01:15 <rwhitby> now I want to add launchParams for mimeType handling, to get the json-load scene to come up when you click on a .json file attachment in email or on the web
Apr 19 22:01:33 <madnificent> dawm|laptop: perhaps he'll keep the question for himself, now that he has it
Apr 19 22:01:38 <madnificent> and there rwhitby has lost me
Apr 19 22:01:49 <rwhitby> I've done that too.  I can click on the file, it opens json-load scene with the filename loaded, and I can load and view the file contents.
Apr 19 22:02:29 * madnificent currently thinks this will end in "Can you tell me how magnets work?"
Apr 19 22:02:56 <dawm|laptop> rwhitby: wheres the question
Apr 19 22:05:13 <rwhitby> based on one of the json fields in the file, I want to "pop" back to the palmprofile or deviceprofile scenes after hitting load on the json-load scene
Apr 19 22:05:45 <MetaView> there is a scene swap
Apr 19 22:05:46 <rwhitby> but of course when the json-load scene is called from the launchParams, there is nothing else in the stack, so popScene is useless.
Apr 19 22:05:55 <MetaView> swapScene
Apr 19 22:06:04 <MetaView> never tried it, but it exists
Apr 19 22:06:21 <dawm|laptop> its like alt-tab inside the app iirc
Apr 19 22:06:29 <rwhitby> so I'm guessing I have to determine whether json-load was called from one of the other scenes, or direct from app-assistant
Apr 19 22:06:37 <MetaView> yes
Apr 19 22:06:42 <MetaView> examine the scene stack
Apr 19 22:06:52 <rwhitby> any way to tell that using Mojo, or do I just have to keep my own bookkeeping?
Apr 19 22:06:54 <MetaView> don't know if possible, or have another argument
Apr 19 22:07:18 <MetaView> another parameter would be the easiest, returnScene
Apr 19 22:07:35 <MetaView> then you make a popScene(returnScene)
Apr 19 22:07:41 <MetaView> or a swap scene based on content
Apr 19 22:07:56 <Draecos> peeps
Apr 19 22:08:09 <Draecos> is there anyway of locking an app on screen
Apr 19 22:08:23 <MetaView> nad  now I'm oof, g'night
Apr 19 22:08:47 <Draecos> e.g. so it can only be got rid of thru an exit button or button combination
Apr 19 22:08:51 <dawm|laptop> Mojo.Controller.StageController.getScenes()
Apr 19 22:08:58 <rwhitby> MetaView: how do I get the value for returnScene in the deviceprofile or palprofile scenes to pass in?
Apr 19 22:09:06 <dawm|laptop> Mojo.Controller.StageController.getScenes()
Apr 19 22:09:07 <dawm|laptop> Returns an array of scene controllers currently on the stack. result[0] is the bottom scene on the stack.
Apr 19 22:10:01 <dawm|laptop> theres also parentSceneAssistant
Apr 19 22:10:02 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: is that just an array of scene names?
Apr 19 22:10:07 <dawm|laptop> i believe so
Apr 19 22:10:15 <dawm|laptop> Mojo.Controller.StageController.parentSceneAssistant(targetSceneAssistant)
Apr 19 22:10:16 <dawm|laptop> Returns the scene assistant of the scene above this scene in the scene stack, or undefined if there is no such scene.
Apr 19 22:11:12 <dawm|laptop> i just looked in the Docs ;P
Apr 19 22:11:17 <dawm|laptop> RTFM
Apr 19 22:11:47 <rwhitby> hmm - but I'll have a parent in all cases. I want to determine what the parent is (device-profile, palm-profile, or app-assistant) and do different stuff for each
Apr 19 22:12:00 <dawm|laptop> do the get scenes
Apr 19 22:12:05 <dawm|laptop> it apparently has an order
Apr 19 22:12:15 <dawm|laptop> since result[0] is the bottom
Apr 19 22:12:31 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: thx
Apr 19 22:12:41 <dawm|laptop> and swapscene is just pop+push but without calling activate/deactivate
Apr 19 22:14:17 <Tibfib> hmm, you sure activate/deactivate doesn't get called on swap scene?
Apr 19 22:14:31 <dawm_> it says
Apr 19 22:14:48 <dawm|laptop> Mojo.Controller.StageController.swapScene(sceneArguments)
Apr 19 22:14:49 <dawm|laptop> Pops the current scene and simultaneously pushed a new scene without activating & deactivating any underlying scenes. Note that this is an asynchronous operation.
Apr 19 22:15:02 <Tibfib> oh.
Apr 19 22:15:03 <Tibfib> yeah
Apr 19 22:15:17 <Tibfib> I thought it was referring to the current scene
Apr 19 22:15:47 <haeffb_> deactivate is called on the current scene and activate on the new scene. obviously.
Apr 19 22:16:14 <Tibfib> yeah. I was confused
Apr 19 22:16:33 <haeffb> well, dawm|laptop was a bit confusing
Apr 19 22:21:07 * haeffb played with the in-law's ipad over the weekend. watched Restrepo over Netflix streaming. WANT A TOUCHPAD!!!
Apr 19 22:21:36 * haeffb just noticed that TOUCHPAD has "HP" right in the middle.
Apr 19 22:21:48 <haeffb> also has OUCH
Apr 19 22:21:51 <haeffb> ???
Apr 19 22:22:01 <NuttyBunny> and "AD"
Apr 19 22:22:23 <Tibfib> and touch!
Apr 19 22:22:24 <Tibfib> and pad!
Apr 19 22:22:31 <Tibfib> uchpa!
Apr 19 22:23:56 <haeffb> AD is more toward the end...
Apr 19 22:24:26 <haeffb> sugardave_pre: bring me a touchpad back from Cali.
Apr 19 22:24:31 <Tibfib> me too
Apr 19 22:24:39 <haeffb> Tibfib is too late!
Apr 19 22:24:40 <Tibfib> phew. just got it in
Apr 19 22:24:41 <Tibfib> NO
Apr 19 22:24:45 <Tibfib> he saw it!
Apr 19 22:24:59 <Tibfib> ... :'(
Apr 19 22:25:53 * haeffb discovers that this Pre won't boot without a battery.
Apr 19 22:27:02 <Tibfib> hate it when that happens
Apr 19 22:27:08 <haeffb> and also with a dead battery
Apr 19 22:27:13 * mgschu didn't realise his Pre had a battery
Apr 19 22:27:27 <mgschu> I thought you couldn't ever take it off charge?
Apr 19 22:27:30 * rwhitby realises he could use popScene with a returnValue argument instead of a callback to send data back to the device-profile and palm-profile scenes
Apr 19 22:27:31 * haeffb trying to prepare it to ship to NuttyBunny 
Apr 19 22:27:45 <NuttyBunny> eh? eh? :D
Apr 19 22:27:55 * halfhalo likes callback... their very huggable
Apr 19 22:28:01 <mgschu> I have four batteries
Apr 19 22:28:04 <haeffb> rwhitby: but you'd have to capture the backGesture event...if that's important
Apr 19 22:28:05 <Tibfib> their ?
Apr 19 22:28:16 <haeffb> their what?
Apr 19 22:28:26 <halfhalo> :D
Apr 19 22:28:31 <rwhitby> haeffb: the data is only passed back when the Load button processing is complete
Apr 19 22:28:36 <Tibfib> their huggableness
Apr 19 22:28:55 <rwhitby> haeffb: on backswipe, no data return is needed
Apr 19 22:29:01 * haeffb wonders what mgschu is doing with four batteries and a Pre that doesn't use them
Apr 19 22:29:02 <Tibfib> ah
Apr 19 22:29:05 <haeffb> rwhitby: awesome
Apr 19 22:29:45 * mgschu pretends to be oblivious
Apr 19 22:31:00 <mgschu> how long do you tend to get out of your batteries?
Apr 19 22:32:10 <rwhitby> hmm - swapScene doesn't seem to be able to pass arguments to the new scene
Apr 19 22:32:19 <haeffb> varies. depending on what I'm doing
Apr 19 22:32:20 <halfhalo> note for anyone doing node server stuff: use cluster.  It will make your life much easier.
Apr 19 22:32:27 <haeffb> rwhitby: it goes to activate(args)
Apr 19 22:32:42 <haeffb> I think...not sure about swapScene()
Apr 19 22:32:47 <rwhitby> haeffb: doc says differently for swapScene
Apr 19 22:32:53 <haeffb> hmmm
Apr 19 22:33:02 <Tibfib> rwhitby: I think you have to pass an object
Apr 19 22:33:02 <rwhitby> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/mojo/classes/mojo-controller-stagecontroller.html#mojo.controller.stagecontroller.swapscenescenearguments
Apr 19 22:33:12 <haeffb> are you going to trust the docs?
Apr 19 22:33:17 <rwhitby> Tibfib: that's for the scene, not the arguments
Apr 19 22:33:21 <rwhitby> haeffb: good point
Apr 19 22:33:53 <Tibfib> if you are swapping a scene, you are pushing a new one ?
Apr 19 22:33:53 <haeffb> so it should work like pushScene
Apr 19 22:33:58 <Tibfib> yeah
Apr 19 22:34:03 <haeffb> and so the args go to the constructor
Apr 19 22:34:16 <Tibfib> popScene goes to activate
Apr 19 22:35:20 * haeffb needs to quit posting in here since I never do any development anymore. Can't remember shit.
Apr 19 22:35:33 <rwhitby> haeffb: source code says it works the same as pushScene.
Apr 19 22:35:55 <haeffb> I would think it should
Apr 19 22:36:02 <haeffb> but it's not working for you?
Apr 19 22:36:18 <Tibfib> swapScene("sceneName", arg1, arg2)
Apr 19 22:36:34 <rwhitby> haven't tried it.  working on design this morning, then going to theme park, then working on coding tonight maybe :)
Apr 19 22:36:39 <Tibfib> or swapScene({sceneName: "sceneName"}, arg1, arg2)
Apr 19 22:37:00 <haeffb> <rwhitby> hmm - swapScene doesn't seem to be able to pass arguments to the new scene
Apr 19 22:37:11 <haeffb> you were just looking at docs?
Apr 19 22:37:41 <rwhitby> haeffb: yes
Apr 19 22:37:51 <haeffb> what's this "design" thing you're doing?
Apr 19 22:38:05 <rwhitby> heh
Apr 19 22:38:42 <rwhitby> I always have a mental framework of how something is going to work before I start coding it.
Apr 19 22:39:12 <halfhalo> thats the fun part
Apr 19 22:39:35 <haeffb> I don't even have a mental framework of how something works after I finish coding it...
Apr 19 22:39:40 <Tibfib> hahah
Apr 19 22:40:10 <haeffb> madnificent: nice review on P|C
Apr 19 22:40:29 * halfhalo has to many concept ideas floating around in his head
Apr 19 22:42:17 <dawm|laptop> hrm.. why cant i access this damn global..
Apr 19 22:44:48 <NuttyBunny> run it in Ares and debug it over there ;)
Apr 19 22:45:23 <haeffb> run it in emu and debug it in ares
Apr 19 22:45:26 <dawm|laptop> uhh ares does c++ ?
Apr 19 22:45:30 <dawm|laptop> :P
Apr 19 22:45:47 <haeffb> who codes in c++ ?
Apr 19 22:46:01 <haeffb> don't you know the web has won?
Apr 19 22:46:23 <dawm|laptop> i dont know c.. so if i had no other choice i wouldnt be doing this
Apr 19 22:46:34 <dawm|laptop> but the audio latency of HTML5 Audio really sucks
Apr 19 22:46:44 <dawm|laptop> and the frame loss of my canvas app on device is horrible
Apr 19 22:47:41 <dawm|laptop> atleast most of the game was already done, and since it was in canvas its not too hard to port over, but the lack of knowledge in regards to C/C++ has hindered me :P
Apr 19 22:49:01 <rwhitby> dawm|laptop: did you extern it?
Apr 19 22:49:19 <dawm|laptop> yep
Apr 19 22:49:53 <dawm|laptop> but it says its not declared inside the class thats trying to use it
Apr 19 22:49:55 <SineOt> hm, does anyone know if HTTP Digest auth is easier to do under 2.x?
Apr 19 22:49:57 <dawm|laptop> even tried ::variable
Apr 19 22:59:24 <SineOt> if anyone ever makes a sign up form for something, be it app or otherwise, for the love of everything: don't make gender a required field, and if it is required, don't just do two options >:<
Apr 19 23:00:21 <NuttyBunny> SineOt: mmm... Male/Female/Undefined ??
Apr 19 23:01:12 <rwhitby> ../StillDeciding ?
Apr 19 23:01:31 <SineOt> Male/Female/Decline is fine too!
Apr 19 23:02:06 <SineOt> or just make it a text field :I
Apr 19 23:02:17 <NuttyBunny>  /Both ??
Apr 19 23:02:28 <Loudergood> ah the classic "Sex: Yes Please!"
Apr 19 23:03:22 <haeffb> why does Sam Adams include Sam Adams Light in a sampler case of Sam Adams?
Apr 19 23:03:25 <funkatron> I 100% agree with you, SineOt
Apr 19 23:03:53 <funkatron> Actually in general I don't see why you'd ask for gender in most cases
Apr 19 23:04:05 <SineOt> in this case, it's signing up for a Photobucket account
Apr 19 23:04:15 <SineOt> why does it require a gender to upload a photo :I
Apr 19 23:04:15 <funkatron> there is no reason they need to know that
Apr 19 23:04:18 <funkatron> yeah
Apr 19 23:04:37 <haeffb> they're just a little curious
Apr 19 23:04:41 <Loudergood> yeah I usually just use google for that
Apr 19 23:05:08 <NuttyBunny> Well, it *can* be used to personalize messages
Apr 19 23:05:18 <NuttyBunny> "his this, his that, her x, her y"
Apr 19 23:05:21 <funkatron> if they're going to ask they should accomodate people who identify in other ways
Apr 19 23:05:32 <haeffb> so in a case of Sam Adams, I have four bottles of crappy Sam Adams Light. Why would anyone want four light beers out of a case of beer?
Apr 19 23:05:39 <SineOt> DeviantArt did that and it stirred up a HUGE shitstorm, for good reason
Apr 19 23:05:56 <SineOt> it went from letting people use whatever gender identity they wanted to forcing a male/female choice
Apr 19 23:05:56 <haeffb> my rant is more important than SineOt's
Apr 19 23:05:56 <funkatron> oh I remember that
Apr 19 23:06:03 <funkatron> haha
Apr 19 23:06:15 <NuttyBunny> hahaha
Apr 19 23:06:26 <haeffb> because I have four bottles of crappy Sam Adams Light
Apr 19 23:06:39 <SineOt> the only beer packs I buy now are the mystery cases the local Bevmo does sometimes :o
Apr 19 23:06:49 <SineOt> 24 bottles for 16 bucks! Never know what you'll get! :o
Apr 19 23:06:54 <haeffb> awesome
Apr 19 23:06:59 <SineOt> I love getting 6$ beers for like 70 cents :3
Apr 19 23:07:19 <haeffb> maybe they'll take my Sam Adams Light and pawn them off on some unsuspecting customer
Apr 19 23:07:33 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: I don't see the issue.  For anyone in between, they'll choose what they feel is most appropriate
Apr 19 23:07:44 * haeffb leads a sheltered life...what other genders are there?
Apr 19 23:07:55 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: it's a free choice of them, but there are limits to what one can ask
Apr 19 23:08:27 <NuttyBunny> well, yes, at least Male/Female/Don't ask
Apr 19 23:08:34 <SineOt> it's worth keeping in mind that sex is often what they're asking when asking about gender. There's really only two sexes (and even that's a lie!) but gender is a full on spectrum
Apr 19 23:08:42 <NuttyBunny> bbl, I have to skip rain and traffic!!
Apr 19 23:09:01 <madnificent> http://www.freakingtube.us/2011/01/im-offended-when-i-see-boy-bands-for.html  << that idea :)
Apr 19 23:11:06 <SineOt> XX, XY, but then you end up with oddities like XXY and XYY
Apr 19 23:11:30 <madnificent> SineOt: thing is, the individual identifies him/herself with one of both
Apr 19 23:11:49 <madnificent> if not, then it becomes quite cumbersome to actually communicate, so bad luck, pick and choose
Apr 19 23:12:07 <funkatron> it's actually pretty simple
Apr 19 23:12:09 <SineOt> I know a lot of people who don't identify with either
Apr 19 23:12:14 <funkatron> instead of asking for gender
Apr 19 23:12:30 <funkatron> ask "should I call you 'him' or 'her'"
Apr 19 23:12:34 <madnificent> SineOt: then you live in a very very strange part of the world :)
Apr 19 23:12:35 <haeffb> ask for sex? I got in trouble for that
Apr 19 23:12:54 <funkatron> madnificent: actually no. I know many people who feel the same way
Apr 19 23:13:03 <madnificent> most people I know find it normal to thing "they should say 'he' when they talk about me, or they should say 'she' when they talk about me"...
Apr 19 23:13:21 <funkatron> just because one is not familiar with it does not mean the argument is invalid. personal experince is not all encompassing.
Apr 19 23:13:26 <funkatron> +e
Apr 19 23:13:56 <madnificent> well, our language kind-of evolved like that... some things you just need to accept
Apr 19 23:14:12 <madnificent> mind you, it might be the frustration of a course on genderstudies that I followed
Apr 19 23:14:19 <SineOt> the whole he/she thing is just because english did things weird when it decided pronouns and doesn't have a gender neutral one
Apr 19 23:14:27 <SineOt> and using it is just insulting :p
Apr 19 23:14:31 <madnificent> SineOt: well, not only english
Apr 19 23:14:37 <Loudergood> I'm still amazed we haven't come up with one
Apr 19 23:14:48 <madnificent> SineOt: also dutch, german, french, italian, portuguese
Apr 19 23:14:50 <haeffb> but seriously, this light beer thing is going to be the end of civilized society.
Apr 19 23:14:54 <Loudergood> english likes to create and absorb words all the time
Apr 19 23:15:09 <funkatron> It also used to be acceptable to call african americans "nigger" in the USA. The evolution of language is not an argument
Apr 19 23:15:29 <haeffb> "it" is gender-neutral, but likely not an acceptable alternative in the current context.
Apr 19 23:15:43 <madnificent> funkatron: funny thing is that 'afroamericans' are the only ones whom are allowed to say it these days :)
Apr 19 23:16:00 <funkatron> no, they say "nigga." that isn't the same thing 8)
Apr 19 23:16:08 <madnificent> haeffb: 'John is now online, it posted a new picture'... don't know if that sounds much better
Apr 19 23:16:12 <madnificent> funkatron: :P
Apr 19 23:16:46 <madnificent> regardless, it's a name, deal with it... that's not too bad.  What _is_ bad, is the oppression that occured together with it.  That's a different story.
Apr 19 23:17:24 <SineOt> "is now online AND posted a new picture?" P:
Apr 19 23:17:33 <funkatron> yeah, it's really not tough to avoid this.
Apr 19 23:17:45 * madnificent finds it less personal
Apr 19 23:18:01 <funkatron> and again, if you must, just ask what kind of pronoun to use
Apr 19 23:18:15 <funkatron> that's different than asking for gender.
Apr 19 23:18:25 <madnificent> I also find it going _way_ too far to try and avoind these things... it's a normal thing, that's language, that's the way it works for now.
Apr 19 23:18:56 <madnificent> funkatron: I assume people know that that's what it's meant for, but yes it's a different thing.
Apr 19 23:19:21 <funkatron> madnificent: not necessarily, no.
Apr 19 23:19:31 * haeffb makes a note to never ask for gender in a  form
Apr 19 23:19:31 <madnificent> but really, must we bother about these things?  In the same time we find it perfectly normal that people's hands get chopped off because they stole something... focus people
Apr 19 23:19:43 <funkatron> I don't find that normal
Apr 19 23:19:57 * haeffb also makes a note to never ask for sex
Apr 19 23:20:12 <madnificent> haeffb: fuck you, I will ask for sex if I want to! ^_^
Apr 19 23:20:37 * Loudergood prepares to start a sex vs gender discussion ;)
Apr 19 23:20:45 <SineOt> @_@
Apr 19 23:20:53 <SineOt> I think this is the point where I go paint @_@
Apr 19 23:21:13 <madnificent> SineOt: run away screaming
Apr 19 23:21:24 <haeffb> nah, you started this, you have to stick around to the ugly conclusion.
Apr 19 23:21:45 * haeffb notes that HD is not nice to local newscasters
Apr 19 23:21:47 <funkatron> for some people, their lives have really, really, really sucked because they don't fit into social norms for gender. so, I do think that some consideration for this is appropriate.
Apr 19 23:22:19 <SineOt> Pft, I started it because it was dumb that I have to attach a gender to upload photos!
Apr 19 23:22:33 <SineOt> And yeah, it is appropriate
Apr 19 23:22:35 <madnificent> funkatron: for some people, food is not an option
Apr 19 23:22:39 <madnificent> funkatron: which one is worse?
Apr 19 23:23:04 <SineOt> oh good god not this
Apr 19 23:23:31 <funkatron> shit, if that's yoru argument, get the fuck off of irc right now and start feeding the hungry
Apr 19 23:23:46 <funkatron> if you wanna toss up strawmen we can do this all day.
Apr 19 23:24:13 <madnificent> funkatron: not that I want to say that a little attention isn't bad.
Apr 19 23:25:05 <madnificent> funkatron: I only want to say that we tend to take these things really really far...
Apr 19 23:25:11 <funkatron> why are we here talking about phones?
Apr 19 23:25:33 <madnificent> because someone wanted to comment on a gender form
Apr 19 23:25:56 <funkatron> and despite the fact that you don't think it's an issue because you aren't aware of it, it *is* for some.
Apr 19 23:26:37 <funkatron> and yes, some people are mentally and physically abused over this kind of thing
Apr 19 23:26:39 <madnificent> funkatron: I am aware that it *is* an issue for some.  I argue that the issue isn't *that* extreme.  I argue that it isn't *that* bad.
Apr 19 23:26:44 <funkatron> so, yeah, for some folks it *does* matter.
Apr 19 23:27:02 <madnificent> funkatron: not that it doesn't exist, not that it doesn't matter at all.  But I do argue that sometimes people should just try to get a grip...
Apr 19 23:27:08 <funkatron> I think it matters enough to make a non-binary field in yoru DB.
Apr 19 23:27:43 <madnificent> sure, you go ahead and do that, make it a slider with values from 0 to 100, that's not offensive.  Today, I feel 89% male...
Apr 19 23:28:08 <funkatron> did I say that?
Apr 19 23:28:44 <madnificent> virtually, yes, that's not binary.  What you probably want to say is "We should accept people for who the are", but that doesn't really come out.
Apr 19 23:28:59 <funkatron> no, what I said is "don't ask"
Apr 19 23:29:00 <madnificent> regardless, it's irrelevant
Apr 19 23:29:01 <Loudergood> madnificent: all we're arguing is that it's not a difficult change to make
Apr 19 23:29:08 <SineOt> hurrrpppp
Apr 19 23:29:10 <funkatron> and if you do need to ask, offer an opt-out
Apr 19 23:29:18 <funkatron> if it's irrelevant, don't ask.
Apr 19 23:29:31 <SineOt> if you can do two radio buttons, you can do it so that they either aren't required, or you have a third option where people can go and say "I'm not telling"
Apr 19 23:30:16 <funkatron> I'll be sure to tell the families of people I know who committed suicide or were murdered because of their gender ID issues that they need to get a grip tho
Apr 19 23:30:22 <funkatron> it's cool, I'm sure they'll understand.
Apr 19 23:32:03 <madnificent> Loudergood: it's not difficult to follow one law, but you do know all rules?  No, you have a lawyer for that.  IT tries to make abstractions from the world and sometimes that fails and sometimes people can get offended by that.  Not that that means that you can't try to do your best, but from time to time, I feel like people are just trying to get attention.  For some, it will be different, the story may be different.  Then again,
Apr 19 23:32:03 <madnificent> perhaps that's the right time and place to give people a psychologist to guide them through the discovery of who they are and who they want to be.
Apr 19 23:33:18 <haeffb> for the record, I agree with funkatron. And I agree with madnificent. And I agree with SineOt. I disagree with sugardave.
Apr 19 23:34:18 <haeffb> funkatron: any abuse suffered by those with gender issues is abhorrent.
Apr 19 23:34:36 <haeffb> madnificent: a binary choice on a web form doesn't rise to the level of abuse
Apr 19 23:34:36 <funkatron> indeed
Apr 19 23:34:44 <haeffb> SineOt: it's not difficult to change
Apr 19 23:34:53 <funkatron> as SineOt suggested far above: "Male/Female/Decline is fine too!"
Apr 19 23:34:54 <haeffb> sugardave: bring me a TOUCHPAD!
Apr 19 23:35:33 <haeffb> and somebody take these damn Sam Adams Light beers off my hands.
Apr 19 23:35:34 * madnificent can't find numbers about how many people have gender issues and wonders what'd be the best option: helping them personally, or changing everything in our society.
Apr 19 23:35:55 <funkatron> I'd suggest this is also not a binary choice
Apr 19 23:36:22 <funkatron> but I can think of a number of issues taken far more seriously now than they were 30 years ago
Apr 19 23:37:26 <madnificent> funkatron: as the world connects to one global community, it becomes increasingly hard to not offend people.  And actually, it isn't always bad either.
Apr 19 23:37:40 <funkatron> madnificent: oh I know that well
Apr 19 23:37:54 * funkatron points to the name of his application
Apr 19 23:38:25 <madnificent> which one?
Apr 19 23:38:28 <funkatron> Spaz
Apr 19 23:38:30 * dawm|laptop shakes fist!
Apr 19 23:38:34 <keith> watch out hes a commie
Apr 19 23:38:38 <keith> the logo says it all
Apr 19 23:38:41 <funkatron> indeed
Apr 19 23:38:53 <keith> see !
Apr 19 23:39:34 <SineOt> okay... for serious now @_@
Apr 19 23:39:38 <SineOt> time to go paint ponies :I
Apr 19 23:39:47 <funkatron> I like ponies
Apr 19 23:39:53 <madnificent> keith: you know what's amazing.  I have a male friend who sometimes wears a dress.  When I say that I'm a commie, people get agitated at me.  Not saying that the dress is wrong or anything, but it keeps surprising me.
Apr 19 23:39:57 <SineOt> http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z322/MatchaPony/PRE_2011-04-19-151713.jpg Poor Luna needs a coat of paint.
Apr 19 23:40:03 <funkatron> however, I do think that the assumption of gender identity now is somewhat like the assumption of sexual preference, and gradually our society is more widely accepting the fact that some dudes like to band some dudes
Apr 19 23:40:21 <funkatron> band/bang
Apr 19 23:40:39 <keith> `i listen to hiphop
Apr 19 23:40:43 <keith> underground/indie
Apr 19 23:40:49 <keith> i get racist comments on the weekly about it
Apr 19 23:41:02 <madnificent> funkatron: wow, gender issues and sexual preference are two totally different things.  I think the letter is a far bigger issue.  At least, when you look at the countries where gays are more accepted, it tends to be a very very large group.
Apr 19 23:41:20 <madnificent> s/letter/latter
Apr 19 23:41:23 <Tibfib> holy crap.
Apr 19 23:41:32 * Tibfib scrolls back and reads convo
Apr 19 23:41:35 <keith> people think only blacks listen to it, people think only blacks go to shows
Apr 19 23:41:39 <madnificent> Tibfib: it's not interesting
Apr 19 23:41:40 <keith> the whole stigma thing is hilarious
Apr 19 23:41:51 <funkatron> keith: yeah, they're dipshits
Apr 19 23:42:10 <keith> esp when i bring up 'so, before elvis, you realize rock shit was primarily black right? where did jazz come from? what about funk?
Apr 19 23:42:24 * keith shakes head
Apr 19 23:42:24 <haeffb> the devil.
Apr 19 23:42:32 <haeffb> it all came from the devil.
Apr 19 23:42:36 <haeffb> duh.
Apr 19 23:43:15 <haeffb> well, the devil, chuck berry and louis armstrong.
Apr 19 23:43:20 <funkatron> madnificent: you explained that it involves more people, yes. Totally different things? Not sure. I think they're fairly similar, dealing with how we define ourselves and how our society(ies) has changed from essentially assuming they don't exist, to accepting and supporting.
Apr 19 23:43:25 <Tibfib> madnificent: I skimmed it
Apr 19 23:45:17 <Loudergood> haeffb: it was all started in 1955 by Marty McFly
Apr 19 23:45:23 <Tibfib> jerk.
Apr 19 23:45:50 <haeffb> Tibfib: unacceptable. You must study it in depth and prepare a 3000 word essay to be turned in by noon tomorrow.
Apr 19 23:46:14 <Tibfib> haeffb: lol. I wouldn't do that in real school.
Apr 19 23:46:48 <haeffb> you would if you were in my class, buddy.
Apr 19 23:47:01 <Tibfib> <repeat>some guy brought up a controversal topic. they discussed it.</repeat>
Apr 19 23:47:11 <haeffb> yeah. that's right.
Apr 19 23:47:20 <haeffb> I'm the teacher who calls my students "buddy"
Apr 19 23:47:26 <Tibfib> heheh
Apr 19 23:47:30 <Tibfib> high school is a joke
Apr 19 23:47:50 <Tibfib> I rarely write long papers
Apr 19 23:47:54 <Tibfib> I'm gonna be screwed in college
Apr 19 23:48:27 <mgschu> I've gone six years without writing an essay. This year I have a 100-pager
Apr 19 23:48:32 <Tibfib> ouch
Apr 19 23:48:44 <madnificent> funkatron: I think one is wider spread than the other.  I might be wrong ofc.  But children tend to have a very extreme image about being male or female.  Though sexual preference evolves later.  Therefore, I assume that sexual preference may be different more often.  At first sight, I'd also assume that gender issues are very hard to work out by yourself.  If you've gone so far as helping them in person to find their own way, you'll
Apr 19 23:48:44 <madnificent> probably have placed in the right light so they know how to cope with it as well.  Just a hunch though, I haven't read any data on it.
Apr 19 23:49:25 * haeffb going to town to get some milk and onions. I'm sure this has something to do with my gender identity, but not sure exactly what. bbl.
Apr 19 23:49:40 <madnificent> haeffb: later ^_^
Apr 19 23:51:43 <mgschu> points for telling me why this doesn't work (invalid json): ssh root@10.0.0.2 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.vibrate/vibrate {\"period\":1,\"duration\":1000}
Apr 19 23:52:00 <madnificent> mgschu: escape { and } as well
Apr 19 23:52:09 <funkatron> madnificent: could be. but I think it's pretty unclear how much of our gender identity has to do with culture.
Apr 19 23:52:50 <funkatron> and in the same way, unclear just how much genetics has to do with sexual preference
Apr 19 23:53:28 <madnificent> funkatron: can't say about gender identity, but at least for sexual preference the greeks have shown that it can be vastly different...  so you may be right
Apr 19 23:53:36 <mgschu> madnificent: still no
Apr 19 23:53:55 <mgschu> {"returnValue":false,"errorText":"Invalid arguments"}
Apr 19 23:54:12 <madnificent> mgschu: do the escaping and wrap it in single quotes as well, it might need to be doubly escaped, that'll handle that for you
Apr 19 23:54:39 <dawm|laptop> wtf.. why can i change one array but not the other.. stupid!
Apr 19 23:54:55 <mgschu> that did it
Apr 19 23:54:58 <madnificent> (thus ssh root@10.0.0.2 'luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.vibrate/vibrate \{\"period\":1 ...
Apr 19 23:55:01 <Spanska> I am trying to package my app with a Synergy Service and when I use the "palm-package application service package accounts" I get this error message: "palm-package: accounts does not contain an app or service". I followed this page: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/synergy/creating-synergy-contacts-package.html . What does that error message mean exactly?
Apr 19 23:55:07 <madnificent> mgschu: do you understand why?
Apr 19 23:56:03 <mgschu> escaping { yes, and the general idea of the single quote, but not why it is needed here
Apr 19 23:56:34 <madnificent> well, your shell interprets things and the symbols you gave can be interpreted
Apr 19 23:56:42 <madnificent> if you escape them, then your terminal will do it correctly
Apr 19 23:56:50 <mgschu> anway, I now have a very rapid prototyping script - package apps, push to device, install, run
Apr 19 23:56:52 <madnificent> however, the caveat is, that ssh sends the command to another terminal
Apr 19 23:57:14 <mgschu> and it needs to see that line as one command? got it
Apr 19 23:57:19 <madnificent> therefore, two terminals are trying to interpret the data, and thus you need to double escape everything
Apr 19 23:57:42 * Spanska hates the documentation
Apr 19 23:57:48 <madnificent> mgschu: looks like cool stuff btw
Apr 19 23:58:04 <madnificent> Spanska: what documentation?  There is none to hate ;)
Apr 19 23:58:14 <Spanska> haha you're sooo right!
Apr 19 23:58:29 <Spanska> I'm getting through that calendar thing
Apr 19 23:58:36 <madnificent> oh right!
Apr 19 23:59:00 <funkatron> I blame oil
Apr 19 23:59:12 <funkatron> http://gim.ie/bVZ
Apr 19 23:59:13 <madnificent> I don't know what my users will want me to release, but the next release has a solid feature-list now.  Need to get it out of beta, fix the bugs I've discovered so far.
Apr 19 23:59:18 <oil> oh gosh
Apr 19 23:59:35 <Spanska> madnificent: have you read your app review on PreCentral.net?
Apr 20 00:00:08 <madnificent> Spanska: :* I had a sneak preview at it :*
Apr 20 00:00:15 <funkatron> madnificent: I was gonna read that review on pc but it 404d me for some reason
Apr 20 00:00:18 <funkatron> like, the whole site
Apr 20 00:00:18 <madnificent> that's why the feature list is fixed :)
Apr 20 00:00:23 <funkatron> so really not 4040
Apr 20 00:00:25 <funkatron> -0
Apr 20 00:00:30 <funkatron> I have no idea what I'm doing
Apr 20 00:00:35 <madnificent> funkatron: it doesn't want you to see my app!
Apr 20 00:00:41 <funkatron> evidently
Apr 20 00:01:45 <funkatron> http://gim.ie/ci6
Apr 20 00:02:02 <Spanska> I had a few 404 errors too today
Apr 20 00:02:05 <madnificent> Spanska: I also liked it really much: it had some very good feature requests, I also can't replicate the contacts bug which Tim had, but well yeah.  And besides that it says: "It takes some time to get used to it" and that's one of the things I knew up front.  It wasn't going to be an app that worked immediately, it was going to save you a lot of time in the long run.
Apr 20 00:02:08 <Spanska> missing pictures..
Apr 20 00:02:37 <madnificent> I sadly can't easily incorporate the sync support, which is sad...
Apr 20 00:02:57 <madnificent> funkatron: I don't know that animal
Apr 20 00:03:02 <madnificent> funkatron: nor its kind
Apr 20 00:03:03 <funkatron> that is a badger
Apr 20 00:03:05 <funkatron> hah
Apr 20 00:03:19 <Spanska> madnificent: do you mean sync support with an online task manager that has an API?
Apr 20 00:03:23 <funkatron> Kind:'badger'
Apr 20 00:04:13 <madnificent> funkatron: a fierce one then :)
Apr 20 00:04:31 <madnificent> Spanska: yeah, something like that... I'd have to write the task manager myself at first sight
Apr 20 00:05:21 <Spanska> madnificent: isn't your app a task manager?
Apr 20 00:05:39 <Spanska> madnificent: some online task managers also use the GTD approah
Apr 20 00:06:02 <madnificent> Spanska: yes, however it has some metadata which needs to stay in place.  That makes it somewhat more difficult
Apr 20 00:06:16 <madnificent> Spanska: plus, I'm not all too sure how I'd like to do the contacts and file sync in that case
Apr 20 00:07:08 <madnificent> Spanska: nor how they 'register' whether a task should be visible (eg: you set the parent task to 'done', then all its subtask should be set to 'done' implicitly, but you shouldn't update their explicit state)
Apr 20 00:07:39 <Spanska> have you looked into them?
Apr 20 00:08:07 <madnificent> No, I haven't looked into APIs yet, I probably won't either
Apr 20 00:08:58 <madnificent> well, that's not true
Apr 20 00:09:05 <madnificent> I have looked at some web based solutions
Apr 20 00:09:07 <funkatron> hahaha
Apr 20 00:09:12 <madnificent> but I haven't looked at APIs
Apr 20 00:12:14 <Spanska> ok
Apr 20 00:12:49 <madnificent> Spanska: also, partially, I didn't want to adapt my application to what someone else wanted to have.  I wrote the application because I wanted to use the application.  This is one of the rare cases where I'm actually an acceptable designer/tester.
Apr 20 00:13:11 <Spanska> I think it's _the_ way to go
Apr 20 00:13:16 <mgschu> a gift to you all -  http://ompldr.org/vOGNjZg/palm-prototype.sh
Apr 20 00:13:25 <Spanska> I do the same for my app and will do the same for my future apps too
Apr 20 00:13:29 <madnificent> much of the application has been changed due to things that I encountered whilst using it.  I'm guessing that it'll keep evolving that way.  It'd be sad to be limited by an external API then, I think.
Apr 20 00:13:44 <Spanska> they are to suit my needs, then I can share and consider adding new features should I believe they could be useful
Apr 20 00:14:28 <madnificent> Spanska: cloud sync is good!  I'd like to have it, but I think I'd rather have the freedom to change things around when I feel fit for now.
Apr 20 00:15:32 <madnificent> I certainly aim to have it in the further future, but that'll probably be 6 months from now
Apr 20 00:16:00 <Spanska> well, you don't _have_ to make your app like the web service.. you could actually only sync some of your features with some of the feature of the web service
Apr 20 00:16:26 <Spanska> yeah, I'm not saying this would be easy to do...
Apr 20 00:16:58 <madnificent> I could yes, I'm a bit scared of the implications though
Apr 20 00:17:58 <madnificent> Spanska: however, I saw something cool a few hours ago.  My web framework is written in lisp, and lisp has a javascript interpreter.  So with some abstractions, I may be able to port my complete model without changes, except for a different database backend then what DB8 is.  However, I might just go a totally different route.
Apr 20 00:18:10 <madnificent> but, short term says: take a walk and go to bed, so good night all :)
Apr 20 00:18:42 <Spanska> hehe good night
Apr 20 00:19:05 <madnificent> ttys
Apr 20 00:20:46 <dawm|laptop> woo progress ;D
Apr 20 00:24:10 <dawm|laptop> hrm.. how would i return multiple variable in a C++ function?
Apr 20 00:25:17 <Spanska> from what I remember, you cannot. You can return an object that contains multiples variables though
Apr 20 00:25:28 <dawm|laptop> i guess i could make a struct
Apr 20 00:25:29 <Spanska> or an array..
Apr 20 00:25:34 <Spanska> yeah or a struct
Apr 20 00:26:45 <dawm|laptop> hrm i wonder how i would declare the func
Apr 20 00:28:02 <dawm|laptop> oh i guess xcode just doesnt highlight it.. fail
Apr 20 00:28:14 <Spanska> hrm, my app won't install to the emu..
Apr 20 00:28:36 <haeffb> madnificent: you can cloud sync as just a data backup and not worry about a web interface.
Apr 20 00:29:25 <Spanska> and it doesn't on my device either :(
Apr 20 00:29:53 <haeffb> or at least as a first run. add the web interface later. But having a good data backup solution should be a top priority
Apr 20 00:31:40 <Spanska> any specific reason why an app won't install?
Apr 20 00:32:22 <NuttyBunny> What type of application?
Apr 20 00:34:20 <funkatron> oops, by madnificent
Apr 20 00:34:23 <funkatron> bye
Apr 20 00:34:27 <funkatron> jesus what is wrong with me
Apr 20 00:34:40 <Loudergood> Tuesday.
Apr 20 00:35:59 <Spanska> NuttyBunny: app + synergy package
Apr 20 00:39:34 <mgschu> Spanska: think I've had similar issues. can you show us the ipk structure
Apr 20 00:39:40 <mgschu> and what are you building it with
Apr 20 00:40:09 <Spanska> sure
Apr 20 00:40:26 <Spanska> palm-generate application service package accounts
Apr 20 00:41:29 <mgschu> palm-package?
Apr 20 00:43:44 <Spanska> ./accounts/images, ./application (the application works fine actually, I could install it before), ./package/, ./service/configuration/db/kinds
Apr 20 00:44:09 <Spanska> Shouldn't I use palm-package?
Apr 20 00:47:31 <mgschu> palm-package works for me, but not ipkg-build
Apr 20 00:49:57 <mgschu> do you have all your .json files in order?
Apr 20 00:54:03 <Spanska> hrm
Apr 20 01:02:16 <dawm|laptop> ugh.. array data gets set.. but is empty in another function.. what the hells
Apr 20 01:11:51 <Spanska> hrm, I can't install my app anymore.. great
Apr 20 01:20:45 <dawm|laptop> ugh.. why is this damn arry empty
Apr 20 01:24:42 <Spanska> I keep hitting weird things.. oh UTF-8, you keep me searching..
Apr 20 01:26:30 <haeffb> dawm|laptop, Spanska: I feel your pain
Apr 20 01:26:34 <derby> unicode is fun
Apr 20 01:26:47 <dawm|laptop> i figured it out, stored the data in the class and it works
Apr 20 01:26:55 <dawm|laptop> no idea why it was getting wiped tho
Apr 20 01:26:57 <haeffb> well, actually I don't. Been getting rid of all those damn Sam Adams Lights
Apr 20 01:27:02 <dawm|laptop> but i should had it in the class anyways ;p
Apr 20 01:27:17 <Spanska> what are these lights?
Apr 20 01:27:25 <haeffb> sigh.
Apr 20 01:27:46 <haeffb> Light beer that comes in a Sam Adams sampler case
Apr 20 01:28:05 <haeffb> one of the true mysteries of the universe.
Apr 20 01:28:05 <Spanska> oh, is that an American beer?
Apr 20 01:28:43 <haeffb> http://www.samueladams.com/age-gate.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2findex.aspx
Apr 20 01:29:27 <Spanska> Boston beer!
Apr 20 01:29:45 <haeffb> crazy that I have to tell them when I was born
Apr 20 01:30:22 <haeffb> Sam Adams is responsible for revolutionizing American beer.
Apr 20 01:31:22 <haeffb> oh, and Sam Adams was responsible for the American revolution as well
Apr 20 01:31:28 <haeffb> but the beer thing is more important
Apr 20 01:31:31 <Spanska> haha
Apr 20 01:31:50 <Spanska> I didn't know that Samuel Adams
Apr 20 01:33:26 <haeffb> so, anyway, I'm buying a case of "quality" beer.  Why would you put four bottles of "light" beer in it?
Apr 20 01:34:11 <Loudergood> clearly some guy in marketing is confused
Apr 20 01:34:30 * PatrickC_Pre wanders in, looking to see if dawm_ is saying *things* :p
Apr 20 01:35:19 <PatrickC_Pre> what's up loudergood?
Apr 20 01:35:57 <Spanska> all these light beers shouldn't exist anyways ;)
Apr 20 01:36:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> what? lol
Apr 20 01:37:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone with a unactivated/wifi only pre2 here?
Apr 20 01:38:20 <Loudergood> just found out my htpc is having wifi issues...brb
Apr 20 01:38:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> htpc?
Apr 20 01:38:54 <Spanska> I still don't understand if I rather use Foundations or the Mojo Request API
Apr 20 01:39:16 <Tibfib> Spanska: I recommend mojo request api
Apr 20 01:39:41 <Spanska> are there any advantages/disadvantages for one or the other?
Apr 20 01:40:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> the "test your reflexes" game is fun
Apr 20 01:43:45 <haeffb> not if your reflexes suck
Apr 20 01:43:48 <tanker225> Hi
Apr 20 01:44:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> haeffb: hehe
Apr 20 02:05:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> Yogie Bear!!
Apr 20 02:39:58 <Loudergood> PatrickC_Pre2: the pc that lets the GF watch netflix and other things in the bedroom,
Apr 20 02:40:14 <Loudergood> very important now that we got rid of cable tv
Apr 20 02:44:37 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC_Pre2: its drawing blocks ;P
Apr 20 02:44:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> drawing blocks?
Apr 20 02:46:07 <dawm|laptop> http://cl.ly/68Un
Apr 20 02:46:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> pdk version?
Apr 20 02:47:01 <dawm|laptop> indeed
Apr 20 02:47:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesome!!
Apr 20 02:47:26 <dawm|laptop> i havent redid the gfx, i need to make it larger since it will be fullscreen, but i can do that way later ;p
Apr 20 02:47:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 20 02:47:43 <dawm|laptop> hence the black strip at the bottom ;p
Apr 20 02:48:17 <dawm|laptop> its nice that i can copy my JS code and with a few tweaks it works :P
Apr 20 02:48:34 <dawm|laptop> its really just a numbers game
Apr 20 02:48:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Apr 20 02:48:39 <dawm|laptop> arrays and numbers
Apr 20 02:49:49 <dawm|laptop> heh.. 50% cpu usage
Apr 20 02:49:50 <dawm|laptop> ;D
Apr 20 02:50:15 <dawm|laptop> 10% when paused.. fail
Apr 20 02:54:09 <dkirker> PatrickC_Pre2: 0.8.0 is review approved.
Apr 20 02:54:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesome!! thanks, I'll get on it :)
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