**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 20 02:59:58 2011 Apr 20 03:08:14 thanks! Apr 20 03:12:36 np Apr 20 03:50:17 hay Adora Apr 20 03:50:30 * halfhalo hides the goods Apr 20 03:51:54 hi Adora! Apr 20 03:55:01 hey Adora, hey dkirker Apr 20 03:55:07 hi SineOt! Apr 20 03:55:46 .. wtf Apr 20 03:55:51 it appears i broke google.. Apr 20 03:56:02 sweet Apr 20 03:56:09 dkirker: why did otterpant blow your mind last night XD Apr 20 03:56:11 awesome! Apr 20 03:56:22 ^^ dawm|laptop Apr 20 03:56:23 SineOt: I just thought the "pants" part was funny :) Apr 20 03:57:08 gotta keep it decent! Apr 20 03:59:21 not sacyotter? Apr 20 04:01:39 night all Apr 20 04:02:50 party time! Apr 20 04:04:35 * Loudergood gets out the booze Apr 20 04:04:49 hope its the good stuff Apr 20 04:06:17 * Loudergood only buys the good stuff Apr 20 04:06:27 I drink so rarely that it's worth it Apr 20 04:10:36 not late enough for saucyotter Apr 20 04:18:11 otter pants seem cruel...otters are natural nudists Apr 20 04:20:39 how odd Apr 20 04:20:45 255,0,0 is red right? Apr 20 04:20:55 R,G,B Apr 20 04:21:02 well its not, its green Apr 20 04:21:05 0,255,0 is red Apr 20 04:21:05 urface Apr 20 04:21:13 that's a damn lie, and you know it Apr 20 04:21:14 no idea why its working like that Apr 20 04:21:23 you sure you aren't color blind? Apr 20 04:21:29 im positive Apr 20 04:21:33 stupid SDL Apr 20 04:23:11 SDL_FillRect(tmp, &rect, SDL_MapRGB(Surf_Dest->format, G, R, B)); Apr 20 04:23:13 works Apr 20 04:23:19 but R,G, B doesnt Apr 20 04:23:26 well it obviously flips Apr 20 04:23:31 GRB! Apr 20 04:27:19 there, got the translucent color overlays done Apr 20 07:27:31 morning Apr 20 07:31:03 yo swisstomcat Apr 20 07:31:10 hey hotdp Apr 20 07:46:02 swisstomcat: context...context, dear Apr 20 07:46:12 I'm telling you guys what I know about things I don't own Apr 20 07:46:56 push that too hard and it can get me in major trouble =\ Apr 20 07:48:05 hi adora Apr 20 07:48:48 yeah, but if the people that own those things don't communicate, what can you do? Apr 20 07:49:08 same as last time, when you sticked out your neck after feb. 9th Apr 20 07:49:21 we really appreciate what you do! Apr 20 07:50:43 thank you...I would really like to keep doing it =] Apr 20 13:09:51 hi everyone Apr 20 13:10:45 hello NuttyBunny Apr 20 13:37:52 anyone experienced with and able to help me for a sec? Please pm if you can :) Apr 20 14:05:15 morning Apr 20 14:08:55 hello PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 20 14:10:11 what's up? Apr 20 14:16:05 a slow slow brain Apr 20 14:21:04 lol Apr 20 14:22:42 same here Apr 20 14:41:22 me too Apr 20 14:59:14 well well well Apr 20 14:59:18 (3 holes in the ground) Apr 20 15:01:43 what did you drop? Apr 20 15:02:55 hopefully some awesome Apr 20 15:13:23 woot Apr 20 15:13:26 fixed my bug Apr 20 15:13:38 bbl Apr 20 15:13:40 cool Apr 20 15:13:43 had (rand()*4)+1 Apr 20 15:13:50 needed (rand()%4)+1 Apr 20 15:14:13 next bar now fills up as its supposed to and pushes up to the grid when its supposed to ;D Apr 20 15:22:10 dawm|laptop: sweet, so there will be a PDK version any day now, right? :) Apr 20 15:22:27 possibly Apr 20 15:22:40 slowly porting over bits and pieces Apr 20 15:23:10 altho fps just dropped from 30 to 23... im sure i have huge memleaks and whatnot, but it could be cause of the hackjob to preview it on mac Apr 20 15:25:43 dawm|laptop: cool....is that 23 on-device? Apr 20 15:25:55 havent even bothered with the mess to try it on device yet Apr 20 15:27:10 heh Apr 20 15:35:05 pause works great tho :P Apr 20 15:35:16 altho its not playable yet (no mouse events) Apr 20 15:36:33 and gameover detection works (save a whole for loop ;D) Apr 20 15:37:39 haha Apr 20 15:48:45 ugh Apr 20 15:48:57 i hate getting errors.. cause its a pain to figure them out Apr 20 15:49:23 level = floor(score/100)%10; //error: invalid operands of types 'double' and 'int' to binary 'operator%' Apr 20 15:49:23 well, write it correctly the first time :0 Apr 20 15:49:27 :-P * Apr 20 15:49:33 i dont know c++ :P Apr 20 15:49:36 winging it Apr 20 15:50:42 if I' reading that correctly, it doesn't like that you're comparing score a double and an int Apr 20 15:51:19 i have no doubles Apr 20 15:51:26 yes you do Apr 20 15:51:34 that division gives you a double Apr 20 15:51:39 score / 100 returns a double Apr 20 15:51:42 and bet you that floor returns a double Apr 20 15:51:50 good point Apr 20 15:51:51 try casting the return of floor to int Apr 20 15:51:59 see if that works Apr 20 15:52:23 (I don't really know C++, either, and it's been forever since I've really written C, but I have written a bunch of Java... :-) Apr 20 15:52:47 <- totally lost :p Apr 20 15:52:55 actually Apr 20 15:53:05 what are you trying to get out of that statement? Apr 20 15:53:15 since you may be able to do without the modulus Apr 20 15:53:21 1 thru 10 based on score Apr 20 15:53:39 it works in JS :P Apr 20 15:54:00 JS doesn't have strong typing and will coerce things for you Apr 20 15:54:15 try this: ((int)floor(score/100)%10 Apr 20 15:54:26 oops forgot a close paren Apr 20 15:54:29 try this: ((int)floor(score/100))%10 Apr 20 15:54:39 maybe this is a stupid question Apr 20 15:54:46 why are you dividing by 100? Apr 20 15:54:57 it works now thanks bemjb Apr 20 15:55:09 won't mod 10 give you the correct answer even if you don't scale score down first? Apr 20 15:55:11 that is a good point... why not just score % 10 Apr 20 15:55:34 no :P Apr 20 15:55:55 wont work with higher scores Apr 20 15:56:01 every 100pts the level increases Apr 20 15:56:16 and resets back to level 1 at every 1000pts Apr 20 15:56:35 so 10 levels Apr 20 15:56:47 if the score was 1100, that wouldnt work with just %10 Apr 20 15:57:37 true, that's why I asked Apr 20 16:08:49 * NuttyBunny is going to try the AndroidOnPre thingie Apr 20 16:08:51 * NuttyBunny hides Apr 20 16:09:21 why? Apr 20 16:12:47 the word is research Apr 20 16:13:16 the same reason I got entangled in the 2.1 Pixi mess :S Apr 20 16:14:18 and I'm going for the dual boot approach, after all, it sucks that resume from sleep doesn't work yet ;) Apr 20 16:21:21 omg Apr 20 16:21:25 i <3 gdb Apr 20 16:21:32 i can change variables just like chrome inspector Apr 20 16:26:17 gdb rules Apr 20 16:26:30 I should really learn to use gdb properly Apr 20 16:27:35 oh, yes, you should Apr 20 16:28:09 and build your apps with all the debugging symbols until you're certain it works perfectly, and specify gdb where to find your source files Apr 20 16:28:14 the most I've done with it is attach it to a binary that's going to crash, and the 'bt' functionality Apr 20 16:28:45 I'm used to debuggers in IDEs, and a CLI one feels weird Apr 20 16:35:32 bah, android won't boot, nor webOS... nice :S Apr 20 16:35:51 that's what you get :P Apr 20 16:36:07 my Plus got mad at me :D Apr 20 16:44:38 dawm|laptop: so, what bug was that? Apr 20 16:48:28 hallelujah app payments Apr 20 16:48:39 none for me this month Apr 20 16:48:49 dangit. only part of it Apr 20 16:48:49 but I wasn't expecting last month's Apr 20 16:49:16 oh, I'm just waiting for euro payment Apr 20 16:49:21 they're separate, right? Apr 20 16:49:37 * NuttyBunny really needs to make a paid app :@ Apr 20 16:51:12 it took me a loooong time Apr 20 16:51:30 separate for Euro and USD, yes I think so Apr 20 16:52:06 sugardave: thanks Apr 20 16:52:52 meh.. revenue has gone down.. need to finish next app Apr 20 16:53:43 dawm_: That happens when there are no new users coming to the platform :) Apr 20 16:53:49 i know Apr 20 16:54:31 but i really dont wanna update my 1 paid app.. its a mess :p Apr 20 16:55:36 hahahaha Apr 20 16:55:41 http://www.subaru.com/auto-show/index.html Apr 20 16:55:55 2012 impreza unveiling in 12mins Apr 20 16:57:11 yaya, euro paymen t Apr 20 16:57:27 sweet Apr 20 16:58:29 yeah! nice to get some money from working on an app for 6+ months :) Apr 20 16:58:49 lol Apr 20 17:06:31 Finally came up with a few app ideas that can be paid app cat apps. Excited to start working on one. Apr 20 17:07:05 But I'm waiting for my second phone to charge for testing, because I still can't use the emulator. Apr 20 17:07:08 :-( Apr 20 17:07:46 PatrickC_Pre2: I'll get that video up eventually, I promise. I just keep getting distracted by things. Apr 20 17:14:23 zinge: lol, ok Apr 20 17:31:24 Javascipt question: If my callback function is not inline/anonymous, how do I pass the return value to the function? Apr 20 17:41:05 Nevermind, I cheated. I have an anonymous function that calls my real function. Not sure if thats actually the correct way to do it, but its working fo rthe moment. Apr 20 17:59:41 dawm|laptop: how's it goin? Apr 20 17:59:50 its going Apr 20 17:59:56 might be playable soon Apr 20 18:00:02 cool! Apr 20 18:01:09 did you fix that bug? Apr 20 18:01:27 yeh im on mouse events now and determining valid moves Apr 20 18:02:06 so, another few days till its alpha/playable? Apr 20 18:02:13 possibly Apr 20 18:02:37 cool Apr 20 18:11:32 Boys, I need a quick beta test done before I submit some homebrew. Just install with preware/internalz and let me know if it vibrates Apr 20 18:22:20 evening Apr 20 18:39:49 evening swisstomcat Apr 20 18:40:05 evening Apr 20 18:43:39 hmm.. css wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.. Apr 20 19:30:48 compress my mojo now supports google closure compiler: Apr 20 19:30:51 http://bit.ly/ieogbr Apr 20 19:32:09 and -v1 argument for 1.4.5 apps Apr 20 19:33:18 leiru: cool, was wondering about something like that :) Apr 20 19:33:28 does it modify the original source (not an issue, just wondering) Apr 20 19:34:45 it minifies it Apr 20 19:35:03 Palm uses it in certain services, don't they? Apr 20 19:35:51 madnificent: ah okay. now got it. now it copies it to a temp dir, then minifies the temp files, build the package, if wanted installs it on the device/emulator then deleting the tempfiles Apr 20 19:36:33 s/now it copies/no it copies Apr 20 19:36:50 leiru: cool! thanks Apr 20 19:37:00 NuttyBunny: I guess so Apr 20 19:37:21 does it load faster? Or is parse-time generally neglegible in webos? Apr 20 19:37:53 madnificent: one guy at precentral made some benchmarking Apr 20 19:37:53 mom Apr 20 19:38:00 madnificent: The js files in the findapps app are compressed, maybe that way... it took me a while to recover my paid app access because of that :D Apr 20 19:39:20 http://codingbees.com/2010/10/08/app-performance-tests-on-a-palm-pre-believe-it/ Apr 20 19:39:48 ah i see - my committer made the benchmark :) Apr 20 19:40:54 hi all Apr 20 19:43:08 50ms per pageview?! that's huge! Apr 20 19:43:33 any idea on how the google one compares to YUI? Apr 20 19:43:41 mmm... I must apply it to my crappy app :D Apr 20 19:44:09 think about it: how many screens do you view in a day? Apr 20 19:44:42 i know that yui compresses the CSS too if wanted. and it's older and closure compiler mostly makes better results on Javascript Apr 20 19:44:48 on the other hand it JS only Apr 20 19:45:29 better = shorter JS Apr 20 19:46:43 does Mojo have a way to inform my app when network state changes ? I know I can check the status via a system call, Im looking for a simple callback into the app, like iOS's reachability api Apr 20 19:46:47 it's also nice to use one of them to obfuscate your code, as a ipk is only some kind of zipfile of the source with some additional package-infos inside Apr 20 19:47:26 leiru: yeah, I guess the only reason why webos apps aren't copied more often is that the dev community is fairly small, thus resulting in a thighter bond Apr 20 19:48:23 how do you guys obfuscate your code ? do you have it automated or manual ? Apr 20 19:48:36 infiniteloop: just compress it, apparently Apr 20 19:48:48 infiniteloop: I currently don't Apr 20 19:49:07 if their looking at your code.. they obviously should be able to figure out how to unobfuscate it Apr 20 19:49:14 then again, I send a beta to anyone claiming not to be in a region where they can buy apps, so... Apr 20 19:49:16 so whats the point Apr 20 19:49:26 madnificent: by compress do you mean the jscompressor.com Apr 20 19:49:32 dawm|laptop: you make it harder, that's what security is :) Apr 20 19:49:42 harder yes, but impossible no Apr 20 19:49:46 infiniteloop: I mean: read 10 lines above at what leiru was saying :) Apr 20 19:49:50 if they want it, they get it Apr 20 19:49:57 dawm|laptop: i didn't say it makes it impossible. Apr 20 19:50:00 dawm|laptop: yup, but hey... if they really work for it, they can get it ^_^ I guess Apr 20 19:50:26 otoh: if they're good enough to work around that, they could also be writing apps Apr 20 19:51:13 im gonna go get my butt kicked in gears3.. this issue that im having in c is just pissing me off and im getting no where.. time for a break Apr 20 19:51:20 when you're writing javascript, I don't see the point to obfuscation Apr 20 19:54:59 it's one point next to performance/size and i am not in the mood to discuss this in an endless IRC conversation. Apr 20 19:55:59 ok... Apr 20 19:58:54 i saw a nice talk of one of the competitors from js1k Apr 20 19:59:13 really funny and interesting Apr 20 19:59:38 really great hacks just to save some chars Apr 20 20:02:20 ~~2.9 instead of Math.floor() for example (shift operator) Apr 20 20:09:42 leiru: do you accept patches? Apr 20 20:11:28 sure! Apr 20 20:11:38 you found a bug? Apr 20 20:13:17 no, I made it a bit easier to work with imho Apr 20 20:13:40 I've added a bash script which you can link (which keeps working) and you can now just drop the jar files in the directory of this app Apr 20 20:13:52 the temp directory is relative to the path of the ruby script as well Apr 20 20:14:00 trying it out now though Apr 20 20:14:12 * madnificent doesn't get it: why does he first modify the script and _then_ see if it actually works Apr 20 20:15:02 I'll create a branch and send you a pull request Apr 20 20:15:15 if that's ok by you! If you don't want it, I can understand Apr 20 20:15:54 just send a pull request Apr 20 20:17:46 leiru: bad thing though, it failed on my tasks app... the app refused to boot when I packaged it with google's thing Apr 20 20:18:09 yes i am currently investigating it Apr 20 20:18:25 https://github.com/robertkowalski/Compress-my-Mojo/issues/5 Apr 20 20:19:55 just pushed the fix Apr 20 20:21:24 i should be longer staging Apr 20 20:21:53 wooo, more output Apr 20 20:22:37 ;) Apr 20 20:23:29 takes ages to compile tasks@hand (not your issue, not even that important) Apr 20 20:23:36 s/compile/compress/ Apr 20 20:25:20 imagine how long it would take, to compress it all by hand via commandline, my current developed app has around 20 scenes. Apr 20 20:26:09 scenes = assistants/helper Apr 20 20:27:06 I seem to have a bug somewhere in my code, give me a few minutes :) Apr 20 20:27:36 the fact that I'm looking at it right now and didn't look at it in the past tells you something, I guess Apr 20 20:29:34 look at my bug just few minutes ago. ;) Apr 20 20:30:15 ok, this is looking odd Apr 20 20:30:18 tells me you are a guy with no time like me :) Apr 20 20:30:25 no, there's a bug in my code, it fails with palm-package as well Apr 20 20:32:20 it's as if it doesn't include a file which I need Apr 20 20:32:38 if mojo wasn't dying i would say: we need a GUI haha Apr 20 20:34:30 hehe Apr 20 20:35:28 it's as if the file isn't included anymore... how odd Apr 20 20:37:28 ok, just a glitch, I guess... It created a directory instead of a file Apr 20 20:37:33 also: WHAT THE HELL?! Apr 20 20:42:10 leiru: there's something odd going on, it keeps creating a directory of a file I have Apr 20 20:42:23 the file is not in app and is named migrations.js Apr 20 20:43:20 goodn8 Apr 20 20:47:48 leiru: woah, I see now, it fails when trying to use softlinks... Apr 20 20:50:05 madnificent: if i would knw what you are exactly trying, i could maybe help you? Apr 20 20:50:25 the goal is to copy the jars every app you write into the app-root? Apr 20 20:51:29 leiru: I reuse my migrations library, so it's a softlink. And cp_r doesn't copy softlinks, or something else doesn't handle it, but I'm on track to support that Apr 20 20:52:02 whats the manual way to uninstall an app? Apr 20 20:52:20 i installed the sms tone per contact patch months ago, and now it doesnt want to uninstall or update Apr 20 20:52:37 did it :) Apr 20 20:52:49 icarus: press the orange button or whatever it's called and tap the app Apr 20 20:53:10 madnificent, its a patch, so it has no icon Apr 20 20:53:12 icarus: or go to the app selection menu thingy and tap the upper left corner of the screen, show all apps, tap the app and tap delete Apr 20 20:53:38 oh, it's a patch... Apr 20 20:53:42 go to preware and deinstall it Apr 20 20:53:45 then you ought to uninstall it through preware Apr 20 20:53:59 it wont uninstall, it gives an error Apr 20 20:54:25 basically webos updated automatically and i didnt get a chance to uninstall all the patches before it did it Apr 20 20:54:27 which one? Apr 20 20:54:33 ah, ok Apr 20 20:54:34 so now this particular patch is kind of fubard Apr 20 20:54:42 and its really useful, so i kind of want it back, heh Apr 20 20:54:45 are you sure it's still installed? Apr 20 20:55:09 ok, for this there are these emergency xyz apps in preware Apr 20 20:55:09 all of my specific sms tones play when people text me Apr 20 20:55:31 but it doesnt show up in the individual menu Apr 20 20:55:40 leiru: do you have a mac? Apr 20 20:55:41 so to answer, im not really sure if it is installed any more or not Apr 20 20:55:47 it shows up in preware Apr 20 20:55:52 wont update, and wont uninstall Apr 20 20:56:00 just gives an error "not able to..." Apr 20 20:56:04 then it's probably not installed anymore Apr 20 20:56:20 means you need to corect the install-info in preware Apr 20 20:56:22 icarus, did you try some of the recovery tools in preware? Apr 20 20:56:50 it still works, as the SMS tone is probably attached to the contact Apr 20 20:57:00 the patch only helps you to do it Apr 20 20:57:25 "emergency patch recovery" maybe Apr 20 20:57:44 leiru: also: duuuuude, that makes a huuuuuge difference! Apr 20 20:58:14 (at least: in first startup, but that's important) Apr 20 20:58:23 is there a manual way i can do it in command line? Apr 20 20:58:28 that was kind of what i was looking for Apr 20 20:58:31 hmm... my vm is doing.. stuff. not really sure what stuff at the moment Apr 20 20:58:41 where are the patch details located? Apr 20 20:59:02 its probably jut an oddly placed config or log file that got lost in the mix between updates and is just broken Apr 20 21:00:13 they are packages in cryptfs Apr 20 21:00:23 where the other apps are too Apr 20 21:00:49 I am on a drug, it's called "Charlie Sheen"! Apr 20 21:04:45 madnificent: no i am ubuntu user Apr 20 21:08:26 leiru: well, you've got a pull request. Someone with a mac should look at the cp command, they based their support off of the BSD scripts and GNU had to be goofy and throw things around Apr 20 21:09:04 * madnificent cuts down on typing for today Apr 20 21:14:22 on the plane...apparently I fail at MAC cloning on my windows laptop Apr 20 21:15:09 sugardave_pre: make your pre host wifi? Apr 20 21:17:16 madnificent: does that mean, didn't test it, that i have to add a link to my path for every app? Apr 20 21:17:24 what would be a example link? Apr 20 21:18:14 in my case it's a symbolic link. I have ln -s ../../foo/bar/migrations.js or something like that Apr 20 21:18:55 leiru: either case, if they run it and it works, then it probably just works. Constructive: man cp and see if -L means dereference links Apr 20 21:19:50 leiru: google helped me, I think it's the same Apr 20 21:20:07 madnificent: it's that i can use build.rb anywhere - also without changing $PATH every app i develop? Apr 20 21:21:11 leiru: keeps working Apr 20 21:21:34 leiru: you can also use /path/to/dir/compress-my-mojo -args dir Apr 20 21:22:16 sounds interesting, but i would like to know, what i have to add to my $PATH if I would want to use it as supposed. Apr 20 21:22:34 maybe you write a comment to the pull request, i will test it tomorrow? Apr 20 21:22:37 oh, well, I have a bin dir in my home folder which contains all scripts for my personal user Apr 20 21:22:40 that would be great Apr 20 21:22:54 can I just jot it down here now? That's simpler/faster Apr 20 21:23:03 okay Apr 20 21:23:09 so, this is my setup: Apr 20 21:23:46 cd in my .bashrc I have (as the last line) export PATH="/home/madnificent/bin/:$PATH" Apr 20 21:24:02 which allows me to link scripts to ~/bin/ Apr 20 21:24:44 then I've executed: cd ~/bin; ln -s ../src/scripts/Compress-my-Mojo/compress-my-mojo; Apr 20 21:25:10 after opening a new bash shell you can then enter compress-my-mojo everywhere, as if it were a command like cp Apr 20 21:25:47 if you don't want a bin dir, you can add PATH="/path/to/Compress-my-Mojo/:$PATH" to your ~/.bashrc file Apr 20 21:26:21 <> Apr 20 21:27:15 does the modified build.rb also works without that? think i am going to test it first. Apr 20 21:27:21 yeah Apr 20 21:27:31 great! Apr 20 21:28:01 :) Apr 20 21:28:16 so users can do it if wanted, but aren't forced to do that. Apr 20 21:28:32 completely correct Apr 20 21:28:45 great. Apr 20 21:29:16 i will go to bed now and schedule that for tomorrow. Apr 20 21:29:31 thx alot, that sounded really promising Apr 20 21:29:41 hehe, goodnight Apr 20 21:29:48 thanks for writing the script Apr 20 21:36:06 this is ridiculous Apr 20 21:36:16 what did you do... Apr 20 21:36:42 used my Pre - on gogoinflight Apr 20 21:36:55 it ekeeps dropping me Apr 20 21:37:02 lol Apr 20 21:38:05 I thought I would be clever and clone my Pre's MAC to the laptop, but it doesn't work Apr 20 21:38:16 hah Apr 20 21:38:26 thats why i heart intel wifi cards Apr 20 21:38:34 you can share internet with thim Apr 20 21:38:44 it's 5 more for laptop Apr 20 21:38:51 st00pid Apr 20 21:39:58 * sugardave_pre sings "do you know the way to San Jose?" Apr 20 21:40:56 north Apr 20 21:41:08 west Apr 20 21:42:39 its north for cool people Apr 20 21:42:45 tibifib wins!! Apr 20 21:43:04 woot! Apr 20 21:43:23 sugardave_pre: getting out of texas while you still can? Apr 20 21:44:13 never! I have to go to CA to meet people, but I will be back in Austin in no time Apr 20 21:44:19 lies Apr 20 21:45:29 31 hours and I will be back :P Apr 20 21:45:48 so you think.... Apr 20 21:45:55 heh Apr 20 21:46:31 never been on Alaska Air before...nice leather seats in coach Apr 20 21:47:06 sitting next to a baby, but amazingly subdued so far Apr 20 21:47:18 I... why the hell are you on _alaska_ air... Apr 20 21:47:42 sugardave: it's a trap! Apr 20 21:47:52 I didn't pick nor pay, so... Apr 20 21:48:17 suuuure Apr 20 21:48:25 making a break for the border methinks Apr 20 21:48:44 tibfib, she keeps trying to grab my OG Pre sleeve Apr 20 21:49:28 sugardave_pre: heheh Apr 20 21:50:52 uh.. who invented Future.nest?... pretty stupid thing imho Apr 20 21:51:21 run a inner future in parallel and inserts the result when you don't expect it Apr 20 21:53:43 why are webos apps so slow to load? Apr 20 21:53:56 are they? Apr 20 21:54:04 ARE THEY!?!?!?!?!?! Apr 20 21:54:29 yes, are they? Apr 20 21:54:39 don't you guys use the device? Apr 20 21:54:55 for developing.. no? Apr 20 21:55:15 I have a pre oc to 1ghz but frustrating how slow things load Apr 20 21:55:19 * halfhalo looks at his device and its not slow Apr 20 21:55:29 * madnificent pets his pre- Apr 20 21:55:38 also: the hero was _way_ slower Apr 20 21:56:29 hero is a very old device. I did use the droid which has the same hardware as pre. huge difference Apr 20 21:56:34 * Tibfib is surprised there is no "palm boot logo" patch for 2.x Apr 20 21:57:16 hmm, can you include images in patches? Apr 20 21:57:40 there is an app called forums. I don't understand why it takes so long to load Apr 20 21:57:51 blasphemy Apr 20 21:59:07 auren, possible bad design decisions... Apr 20 21:59:27 who wants to help me write an AirPlay app or music player add-on!? Apr 20 21:59:32 auren: my pre- is from the same time Apr 20 21:59:43 maik: "music player" add-on? Apr 20 21:59:56 you're right, that's stupid Apr 20 21:59:59 maik vs. Tibfib. Fight! Apr 20 22:00:09 auren: also, I don't find it slow at all. Perhaps if you're doing multiple thins at once, but that's something you can easily do on webos... but well, it could be faster, I guess\ Apr 20 22:00:15 wha? Apr 20 22:00:18 auren: what device do you have? Apr 20 22:00:21 * halfhalo is taping it Apr 20 22:00:27 * maik eyes sugardave_pre Apr 20 22:00:36 I was wondering what maik was referring to as a "music-player" add on? Apr 20 22:00:38 pre - Apr 20 22:00:51 just reactivated to get it reaced lol Apr 20 22:00:52 auren: so you _do_ have a phone from the hero era :) Apr 20 22:01:01 Tibfib: was thinking to augment the music player, mayhaps add a button to stream to an AirPlay speaker Apr 20 22:01:05 had a problem with volume since september Apr 20 22:01:13 but it's not like that could be deployed to the masses easily Apr 20 22:01:17 hence a stupid idea Apr 20 22:01:17 maik: ah, gotcha Apr 20 22:01:29 well, if you get other stuff working, we can add that to koto Apr 20 22:01:32 tis open source Apr 20 22:01:45 fix Future.nest: https://gist.github.com/932978 Apr 20 22:01:51 would be badass, but right now i'm lacking the time or concentration :/ Apr 20 22:02:29 the catalyst for this was Shairport (perl script, airplay speaker emulator) which allows you to use your linux box as an airplay target from iTunes/iPod Apr 20 22:02:46 heh, well lemme know Apr 20 22:02:54 now i just want to do it from my webOS phone Apr 20 22:02:54 yar Apr 20 22:03:16 * maik wanders off to a vending machine Apr 20 22:13:32 what's new in this crazy webOS world? Apr 20 22:13:43 i've got cookies! Apr 20 22:15:43 Android for Pre is new ;) Apr 20 22:15:56 android for Pre you say Apr 20 22:16:04 the man lies Apr 20 22:16:09 Android for Pre I say Apr 20 22:16:36 * NuttyBunny doesn't need to lie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8nOD9zsCj8 Apr 20 22:16:36 i would think that one would cover thy mouth before uttering such blasphemy Apr 20 22:17:01 I'd prefer webOS for Androidhardware... Apr 20 22:17:19 yep, me too, but it's harder :S Apr 20 22:17:27 whoa.. Apr 20 22:17:58 does android work well? Apr 20 22:18:21 he, it crashes when you turn off the screen and turn it on Apr 20 22:18:29 it's more like a proof of concept right now Apr 20 22:18:39 NuttyBunny: I like that the video has the WebOS Internals logo on the device :) Apr 20 22:19:12 way cool Apr 20 22:19:14 rwhitby: Indeed :D Love that too, turns out that nobody cares to see how to remove it :D Apr 20 22:19:30 heh Apr 20 22:23:56 sweet jesus it works: http://env.preyourmind.org/ Apr 20 22:24:54 halfhalo: node.js? Apr 20 22:25:00 nope, not yet Apr 20 22:25:21 ah.. but it's your Pre, isn't it? Apr 20 22:25:24 ah.. but it's your Pre, isn't it? Apr 20 22:25:30 sorry :) Apr 20 22:25:32 its a cloud based open source system that supports ruby/rails and node atm. Apr 20 22:25:41 aaaah! nice! Apr 20 22:26:24 Another thing to hate android... it doesn't boot on my Pre Plus... hahahaha :D Apr 20 22:26:50 s/thing/reason Apr 20 22:26:58 grr Apr 20 22:29:43 http://nation.foxnews.com/invasion-privacy/2011/04/20/cops-pull-you-over-extract-your-cell-phone-data. Apr 20 22:29:47 remove the . Apr 20 22:30:02 hrmpf, the crypt service doesn't work for me... Apr 20 22:30:19 palm://com.palm.keymanager/crypt i mean Apr 20 22:31:27 dawm_: ouch. they are using cellbrite too, that's what phone companies use to move your contacts when you buy a new phone Apr 20 22:31:39 yerp Apr 20 22:33:05 heh, I don't really need the USB port anyway... Apr 20 22:33:18 true Apr 20 22:33:54 can anyone tell me why this returns just "null"? luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.keymanager/crypt '{"keyname": "YWJjCg==","algorithm": "AES","decrypt": false,"data": "YWJjCg=="}' Apr 20 22:34:05 "sir, why the hell is the usb port superglued shut" "the hippies!" Apr 20 22:36:02 oohhh... shiny nodejs upload Apr 20 22:44:40 COLIN CLARK Apr 20 22:45:07 Dave is your middle name Morgan? cause it would be funny if it was Apr 20 22:45:30 nope Apr 20 22:45:56 haha Apr 20 22:46:05 when you send a text thru google voice on the web Apr 20 22:46:14 if its too long the character counter changes to 'Really?' Apr 20 22:46:21 haha Apr 20 22:46:29 lol Apr 20 22:46:33 and when you get close Apr 20 22:46:36 it goes to decimals Apr 20 22:46:38 2.160 Apr 20 22:46:44 2.155 Apr 20 22:47:00 oh wait that might mean 2 messages Apr 20 22:47:13 yeah after 320 chars it goes to Really? Apr 20 22:47:28 the only time I send a text from google voice is when I need to ping my cellphone because it lost in my apartment Apr 20 22:48:12 im too lazy to text this url from my phone which is in the other room so i just used my google acct which is where all my contacts are anyways Apr 20 22:48:18 just txtbomb'd the crap outta my buddy too Apr 20 22:48:30 dont think he has that number saved :P Apr 20 22:49:34 gogogo node upload... Apr 20 22:53:47 fyi Apr 20 22:53:54 if your phone is on airplane mode Apr 20 22:53:59 the battery will last forever Apr 20 22:54:19 after a week of not being charged my pixi is at 41% Apr 20 22:54:48 yeah, my Pre2 lasts a loooong time Apr 20 22:54:52 weird Apr 20 22:55:02 AT&T disappeared and it says my wifi ssid Apr 20 22:55:13 im pretty sure this is a stock unmodified pixi Apr 20 22:55:23 doesnt even have preware Apr 20 22:55:26 I wish I had a pre... Apr 20 22:55:41 in airplane mode my phone seems to lose all track of time Apr 20 22:56:14 and this sim card i found 2 weeks ago still works Apr 20 22:56:22 dawm_: yeah, my pixi lasts fooorever on airplane mode Apr 20 22:57:45 My buddy asked who i was. i told him Dolph Lundgren Apr 20 22:58:11 UNIVERSAL SOLDIER! Apr 20 22:58:24 Dolph is a smart guy Apr 20 22:59:07 Fulbright scholar at MIT. Apr 20 23:01:50 * Hendikins drums claws on desk, wishes there was a decent kludge for the southern hemisphere GPS bug. Apr 20 23:02:05 Hendikins: turn off google assistance Apr 20 23:02:43 i wish i could send pictures thru gvoice web Apr 20 23:03:33 rwhitby: Well yes, but given I regularly go through locations where Google assistance would be useful (like underground stations), it isn't really a decent kludge. Apr 20 23:03:37 holy crap Apr 20 23:03:47 Hendikins: agreed Apr 20 23:04:15 using my pre2 for the first time Apr 20 23:05:45 rwhitby: So, I'm still wishing there was a decent kludge. Even if it was something that would just subtract 2^32 / 1e7 from the value if exceeded 90. Apr 20 23:07:28 Hendikins: unfortunately, I think that stuff is still in a binary, not converted to node.js service Apr 20 23:09:20 what about the service bindings... those could possibly be patched depending, or even mask the service behind another on the bridge Apr 20 23:11:11 heh, time to start twitter spamming richardkerris Apr 20 23:11:48 holy crap Apr 20 23:11:53 is deadrunner on 1.4.5? Apr 20 23:11:59 cause if it is how did i miss it.. Apr 20 23:12:02 its awesome Apr 20 23:12:06 yeah I'm pretty sure it is Apr 20 23:12:11 I'm a fan of it for sure Apr 20 23:12:14 what's deadrunner? Apr 20 23:12:29 a free game Apr 20 23:12:49 rwhitby: On a side note, it seems my handset has pretty much given up on using the Google assistance anyway, even when it is enabled. Slight irritation when it has been a testcase for a Latitude API bug, and I suddenly can't do it... Apr 20 23:12:54 * Tibfib dls Apr 20 23:13:56 Tibfib, basically your running thru the woods Apr 20 23:14:00 hit a tree you die Apr 20 23:14:15 but it has a survial horror feel to it Apr 20 23:14:24 heh fun game Apr 20 23:14:24 it's cool :) I like it Apr 20 23:14:32 it's quite well done Apr 20 23:14:42 and free Apr 20 23:15:21 good game Apr 20 23:15:33 I was expecting zombies to pop up tho Apr 20 23:17:30 nice Apr 20 23:17:33 the menu Apr 20 23:17:35 watch it Apr 20 23:17:41 sometimes the text goes behind trees Apr 20 23:17:47 thats attention to detail Apr 20 23:18:04 whoa yeah Apr 20 23:29:29 soo Apr 20 23:29:35 31mb update over wifi.. dog slow Apr 20 23:30:54 * Loudergood still isn't quite sure why there's a download throttle Apr 20 23:31:46 http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/the-kitchen-sinks-well-part-of-it/?partner=rss&emc=rss -- pretty cool kitchen hack Apr 20 23:32:10 yeah, unthrottler is helpful Apr 20 23:33:15 why didnt anyone pick up on this? Apr 20 23:33:16 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-wallpapers/275403-pre3-wallpaper.html Apr 20 23:33:21 notice the file name of the image Apr 20 23:33:39 yay! Apr 20 23:33:46 manta Apr 20 23:33:50 so pre3 is mantaray Apr 20 23:33:55 OH Apr 20 23:33:56 I see Apr 20 23:34:02 lol nice Apr 20 23:34:10 so mantaray is same res as pre3 Apr 20 23:34:21 hey i dont know anything Apr 20 23:34:26 i just noticed something in a file name Apr 20 23:34:33 thats over a month old Apr 20 23:35:28 dawm_: tip precentral Apr 20 23:35:36 i hate giving them tips Apr 20 23:35:37 ok Apr 20 23:36:50 Pre 3 - http://www.ko-surin-diving.com/images/manta-ray.jpg Apr 20 23:37:06 * Tibfib is very happy to have that wallpaper Apr 20 23:37:45 looks good Apr 20 23:38:02 :) Apr 20 23:38:47 one of the first things I did was email myself the Veer version from the Feb 9th event :p Apr 20 23:38:48 i asked adora for it ages ago (i think feb 10th :P) Apr 20 23:38:54 but she's always being hounded Apr 20 23:39:17 SineOt: heh, nice Apr 20 23:39:44 Tibfib, i 'tip'd' P|C Apr 20 23:39:50 but i dont know if they will care :P Apr 20 23:40:08 anything i find has to be retweeted by webosinternals before anyone care Apr 20 23:40:12 s Apr 20 23:40:31 dawm_: it's a good tip tho Apr 20 23:40:38 it confirms the 480x800 res Apr 20 23:40:43 i dont know why no one else noticed Apr 20 23:40:53 no one else cares :) Apr 20 23:40:59 to check the file title Apr 20 23:41:00 i just wanted to replace the ugly wp on the pre2 Apr 20 23:41:24 dawm_: have you tried the interfacelift app? Apr 20 23:41:35 i dont want it Apr 20 23:41:44 i pretty much pick 1 wp and it stays Apr 20 23:41:47 im that good Apr 20 23:41:54 https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.krischeonline.webos.interfacelift Apr 20 23:41:55 ive only had 2 wps on my pre- since i got it Apr 20 23:41:59 and only just recently changed it Apr 20 23:42:00 dawm_: digitalblasphemy.com has great wallpapers Apr 20 23:42:14 i previoulsy had a daim wp Apr 20 23:42:30 just changed it to a Subaru STi frontend shot which looks stellar locked :P Apr 20 23:42:51 http://digitalblasphemy.com/cgi-bin/mobilev.cgi?i=niflheim1&r=320x480 was mine Apr 20 23:43:21 mine was this Apr 20 23:43:21 http://graffitine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/daim-graffiti3d.jpg Apr 20 23:43:29 well part of that in higher res Apr 20 23:43:49 now its this Apr 20 23:43:50 http://www.showiphonewallpapers.com/iPhonewallpapers/20101/iphonewallpapers/20091514575932877801.jpg Apr 20 23:43:54 cause thats my car :P Apr 20 23:45:25 http://cl.ly/1j3L1F3K3o3w2Y3m2u40 < this is mine, because it's freaking awesome Apr 20 23:45:50 * Tibfib guesses otter Apr 20 23:45:50 ... Apr 20 23:46:00 hmm Apr 20 23:46:20 ugh Apr 20 23:46:23 i miss the jewel Apr 20 23:46:33 im so used to using that to turn on when the kb is open Apr 20 23:46:55 the jewel? you mean the like, pre- button? Apr 20 23:47:01 yes Apr 20 23:47:02 Tibfib: better, Wonderbolts :o Apr 20 23:47:13 * Tibfib rarely used pre- button Apr 20 23:47:19 to wake up Apr 20 23:47:42 well when the kb is open its hard to hit the pwr button Apr 20 23:47:47 well not hard Apr 20 23:47:50 it's not too hard to use the power button Apr 20 23:47:50 but uneasy Apr 20 23:47:58 well if the keyboard is open just press a key, that should wake it up Apr 20 23:48:02 yeah Apr 20 23:48:05 but im used to the jewel Apr 20 23:48:38 the Pixi's power button is in a better place than the Pre series is, I think Apr 20 23:48:47 easier to get with the index finger than to use your thumb Apr 20 23:48:49 yeah Apr 20 23:48:52 its the other damn side Apr 20 23:49:14 especially since if you're one handing it you've got your thumb at the front of the device to use the screen Apr 20 23:49:20 not tucked up in the corner Apr 20 23:49:38 bbl Apr 20 23:49:54 LOL Apr 20 23:49:55 Customer service 650-543-4800 Apr 20 23:50:01 facebook customer service Apr 20 23:50:42 I should call and ask to speak to Mark. I have a complaint! Apr 20 23:50:57 i dont know where that even came from Apr 20 23:51:01 cause i cant find it on the site Apr 20 23:51:13 but using bing to get free ms points, i was just typing in random things Apr 20 23:51:20 i typed in facebook and it gave me their customer service # Apr 20 23:51:31 ms points? Apr 20 23:51:34 http://www.bing.com/search?q=facebook Apr 20 23:51:37 yeah bingrewards Apr 20 23:51:54 at 500 bing reward points i can get 400MS points (xbox live $) Apr 20 23:52:12 oh, is that anything like xbox live rewards Apr 20 23:52:18 yeah Apr 20 23:52:23 you get points just for searching Apr 20 23:52:35 im up to 270 and i signed up yesterday Apr 20 23:53:02 hrm Apr 20 23:53:12 it linked to my fb acct wo/ my knowledge Apr 20 23:53:48 http://www.discoverbing.com/BingReward Apr 20 23:53:51 http://www.discoverbing.com/BingRewards Apr 21 00:00:11 SineOt: depends in which hand you hold your phone. I hold the phone in my left hand, and find the Pre power button better. Apr 21 00:00:27 I right hand it, so that's probably why Apr 21 00:01:31 dawm_, Tibfib: we've known mantaray is Pre 3 since the SDK was public. Apr 21 00:08:08 Any conjecture on what the Touchpad's code name is? Apr 21 00:08:39 I assume Windsor, since if the Pre3 is Mantaray, the Pre3-equse slate device is probably Stingray Apr 21 00:09:38 they really need a 7" phone to cash in on all those android fans that come in here and crap on the veer Apr 21 00:10:01 at 7" it wouldn't even be a phone Apr 21 00:10:25 you could pair it with a headband and shoulder rest for calls Apr 21 00:10:29 ~SIDE TALK TACO TABLET TIME~ Apr 21 00:11:14 one of my coworkers has a droidx and I already think it looks funny when he's on a call Apr 21 00:11:29 like a dinner plate Apr 21 00:11:40 I will say that I wouldn't mind like, a 6" Touchpad Nano or something though Apr 21 00:12:30 at that size it'd be a killer universal remote too c_c Apr 21 00:12:58 not that you have any interest in selling a remote app or anything ;) Apr 21 00:13:12 yeah ;D Apr 21 00:13:29 Boxee listened and is adding the JSONRPC API, so I get even more cool stuff to play with! :D Apr 21 00:14:15 raw TCP sockets, little to no overhead, perfect for a Node.JS service Apr 21 00:14:30 and it's finally moving from an asstastic multicast based discovery system to ZeroConf Apr 21 00:14:34 http://mashable.com/2011/04/20/weird-al-gaga/ Apr 21 00:14:48 Never thought I'd say it, but man, 1.4.5 is going to miss out Apr 21 00:16:44 im at a standstill in my pdk app.. basically i have to figure out a better way to rewrite a function since its not working well in c.. i wish arrays were easier to use as they are in JS/php Apr 21 00:17:29 ill let it fester in my mind over the next 2 days and maybe ill have an idea on what im doing ;p Apr 21 00:18:15 heh 2.1 installed. it says Apr 21 00:18:17 HP webOS 2.1 Feature Highlights Apr 21 00:18:24 Be sure to try out the new features in HP webOS 2.1 Apr 21 00:18:28 nice highlights :P Apr 21 00:18:44 haha Apr 21 00:20:45 kind of sucks that android won't boot on a Pre+ Apr 21 00:32:37 * haeffb doesn't care that android won't boot on a Pre+ Apr 21 00:33:24 sugardave: in Cali? Apr 21 00:34:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmGVYki-oyQ Apr 21 00:34:19 soooo great Apr 21 01:00:50 fail Apr 21 01:00:58 TMC error trying to open dead runner on my pre- Apr 21 01:05:20 stock webos is the worse Apr 21 01:05:39 they never fixed that mess Apr 21 01:09:21 weird Apr 21 01:09:25 haeffb: yes, just got situated in my room Apr 21 01:09:29 now to forage for food Apr 21 01:09:31 my pre- and pre2 Apr 21 01:09:36 display differently Apr 21 01:09:36 (find a McDonald's) Apr 21 01:09:37 nice. knock 'em dead. Apr 21 01:09:38 colors arent the same Apr 21 01:09:54 pre- is bluer Apr 21 01:11:01 Pre2 has a lower white point Apr 21 01:11:03 which is better Apr 21 01:11:28 I'm not a fan of high white points Apr 21 01:11:54 I run my monitor at 5400K, which is probably close to what the Pre2 is at Apr 21 01:16:59 ok i got bored Apr 21 01:17:01 made a video Apr 21 01:18:08 and its blurry as all hell :P Apr 21 01:24:02 Congratulations! Your account is now enabled for uploads longer than 15 minutes. Click the Upload button below to select a video. Apr 21 01:24:04 yay! Apr 21 01:24:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODTIUhdKuoo Apr 21 01:24:49 hrm must take longer for 720p version Apr 21 01:25:03 oh nope, its there now Apr 21 01:25:08 damn youtube has gotten way faster Apr 21 01:41:14 http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/60878820277895168 Apr 21 01:42:07 huh Apr 21 01:44:14 dawm_: hmm? Apr 21 01:44:34 doesnt work Apr 21 01:45:19 you have to enable Apr 21 01:45:20 it Apr 21 01:45:47 via a patch in preware Apr 21 01:46:09 edit a file like real men do ;) Apr 21 01:46:46 hah. takes longer Apr 21 01:46:58 it's a safe assumption that there'd be a way to launch the keyboard on a phone like that Apr 21 01:47:02 but what's it really matter? Apr 21 01:47:08 you have to plan around that for enyo anyways Apr 21 01:47:13 er, for the Touchpad Apr 21 01:47:18 wha? Apr 21 01:47:22 devmode = no restart on pre2 Apr 21 01:47:29 yup Apr 21 01:47:37 what file do i edit Apr 21 01:47:52 luna.conf or something Apr 21 01:47:59 or something.. cmon Apr 21 01:48:08 yep, use the patch Apr 21 01:48:19 even if we knew the file, we don't remember the commands ;) Apr 21 01:48:33 it's like seriously just virtualkeyboard=true Apr 21 01:48:38 yah Apr 21 01:48:57 hrm Apr 21 01:49:28 except the patch is not available for 2.1 Apr 21 01:49:40 novaterm and putty wont connect Apr 21 01:50:55 But go to the preware feeds page, look for it over there, download it and install it in 2.1, it works Apr 21 01:51:19 hrm Apr 21 01:51:22 NuttyBunny: are you sure? Apr 21 01:51:35 show's "This is not available for webOS 2.1" on my device Apr 21 01:51:40 looks like it downloaded the appcatalog app Apr 21 01:51:55 /downloads/com.palm.app.findapps_2.0.20900_all.ipk Apr 21 01:51:59 yep, because no one cared to upload it to the 2.1 feeds Apr 21 01:52:36 NuttyBunny: oh I see what you meanat Apr 21 01:53:43 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/2.0.1/org.webosinternals.patches.mojo-enable-virtual-keyboard_2.0.1-0_all.ipk Apr 21 01:57:01 ok this is ghey Apr 21 01:57:09 even WQI doesnt see it Apr 21 01:57:13 Or maybe it's this one ?? http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/2.1.0/org.webosinternals.patches.add-onscreen-keyboard_2.1.0-0_all.ipk Apr 21 02:05:21 Is there a way to inherit the FilePicker so that I can add the ability to select multiple files? Or does anybody know of something similar that has already been written? Apr 21 02:05:40 (Trying to avoid having to write my own, but I guess I will if there isn't anything available) Apr 21 02:12:02 I'm gonna take that as a "no". Apr 21 02:13:22 zinge: probably not Apr 21 02:13:34 it would require a homebrew patch afaik Apr 21 02:13:44 night everyone Apr 21 02:15:07 Shouldn't require a homebrew patch. I probably just have to write my own version of filepicker based off the mediaindexer db8 info. All of that should be available through the sdk. Apr 21 02:26:08 * PatrickC_Pre wanders in Apr 21 02:27:22 :'( Apr 21 02:31:26 Because of wirc? Apr 21 02:31:51 maybe you can pinpoint the problem with oil and ryan (PuffTheMagic) Apr 21 02:32:46 if I could fix it with them, I would Apr 21 02:33:21 they couldn't find the issue with my Plus either :( Apr 21 02:33:38 hey, one last try Apr 21 02:33:41 what's wrong with the plus? Apr 21 02:34:02 the same with the wirc plugin, but we couldn't find what it was Apr 21 02:34:16 type: find / -print | grep -i wirc Apr 21 02:34:23 (uninstall it first) Apr 21 02:34:29 you have the plugin issue too? Apr 21 02:34:31 then delete every trace of wirc, then reinstall Apr 21 02:34:35 I had it once Apr 21 02:35:08 how do I delete every trace of wirc? Apr 21 02:35:19 I'll do that if it means not doctoring :) Apr 21 02:36:33 uninstall Apr 21 02:36:34 then Apr 21 02:36:36 type: find / -print | grep -i wirc Apr 21 02:36:49 it should show you every file that contains wirc in the name Apr 21 02:36:51 delete them Apr 21 02:36:56 in novaterm? Apr 21 02:36:57 maybe that helps Apr 21 02:36:59 yep Apr 21 02:37:11 ok, thanks! I'll try that in a few Apr 21 02:39:45 * PatrickC_Pre takes bat to DirecTv DVR Apr 21 02:40:40 anyone want to get webOS running on a DVR/Wii? :) Apr 21 02:41:16 you have better chances to port Android :P Apr 21 02:41:32 lol, but I don't want android :p Apr 21 02:41:40 I want the best OS Apr 21 02:42:24 I am about to take a bat to my DVR though Apr 21 02:55:09 whats the issue? Apr 21 02:55:21 the plugin won't load Apr 21 02:55:44 what ever version? Apr 21 02:56:03 ever version? Apr 21 02:56:16 what version Apr 21 02:56:19 0.3.11 Apr 21 02:56:26 what phone/os? Apr 21 02:56:32 pre2 2.1 Apr 21 02:56:45 unlocked/unactivated pre2 gsm Apr 21 02:57:00 weird Apr 21 02:57:09 have u run lunasysmgr in foreground Apr 21 02:57:13 before starting wirc Apr 21 02:57:19 to see what is bitches about? Apr 21 02:57:28 I've run lumberjack Apr 21 02:57:47 but not lunasysmgr Apr 21 02:58:03 you have access to novaterm right? Apr 21 02:58:16 only via xterm atm Apr 21 02:58:30 becayse you are not home? Apr 21 02:58:43 or because u run windows and cant figure out how to use novacom? Apr 21 02:58:51 I'm not by a PC that has it currently Apr 21 02:58:59 well get at me when u are Apr 21 02:59:10 I run windows, and I've run novacom on it before Apr 21 02:59:29 ok.. it'll be about 20-30 probably.. (I'll try to get to one sooner) Apr 21 02:59:35 no rush Apr 21 02:59:39 ok Apr 21 02:59:46 but when u do just do... Apr 21 02:59:56 stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 21 02:59:58 2011