**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 21 02:59:58 2011 Apr 21 03:00:03 and luna will run in the forground Apr 21 03:00:10 then start wirc from launcher Apr 21 03:00:27 and u shoudl see some error if the plugin aint loading Apr 21 03:00:34 ok Apr 21 03:22:31 puffthemagic: so the "stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgs" all goes on one line? Apr 21 03:27:12 one line Apr 21 03:27:28 and it's Mgr at the end :) Apr 21 03:27:48 has App Catalog broken for everyone else on pre minus 2.1.0? Apr 21 03:28:37 I'll check mine torchie Apr 21 03:30:30 torchie: looks like its working for me Apr 21 03:30:50 waaaaa Apr 21 03:30:53 thx nuttybunny :) Apr 21 03:30:54 mine's been broke for weeks Apr 21 03:30:59 like updates n shyt don't work Apr 21 03:31:15 unactivated? Apr 21 03:32:13 PuffTheMagic: I'm at a pc with novacom Apr 21 03:33:14 The virtual keyboard in 2.0 is handled by LunaSysMgr isn't it? Apr 21 03:34:21 man, it reported my phone, and now is complaining about a whole lot Apr 21 03:35:31 s/reported/rebooted/ Apr 21 03:36:13 what am I looking for exactly? Apr 21 03:37:11 erors Apr 21 03:37:15 after wirc starts Apr 21 03:37:26 there is 17 lines of errors Apr 21 03:37:31 s/is/are/ Apr 21 03:37:44 pastebin them Apr 21 03:37:58 ok, gimme 1 min, Apr 21 03:38:03 * sugardave feels for PuffTheMagic. Apr 21 03:40:18 http://pastebin.com/MXjwVbzB Apr 21 03:42:16 those aren't errors from the plugin :) Apr 21 03:42:50 that's what I saw when I launched wirc Apr 21 03:43:08 nothing more? Apr 21 03:43:13 nothing about the plugin? Apr 21 03:43:43 I'll double check Apr 21 03:43:50 SineOt, it's a luna config file that gets edited to enable it, that much I know Apr 21 03:43:55 or now do the same on other device, one that works Apr 21 03:44:02 I also know it looks pretty, but crashed my phone Apr 21 03:45:09 RagingMind: how many times have I posted that? Install the VK, whatever, but it will crash your phone... :) nobody cares and there they go anyway :) Apr 21 03:46:10 it looks a lot nicer than the vkb patch from 1.4.5, but it crashes so easily that the patch is far more useful Apr 21 03:46:20 well, I did a key combo on the PCs kb, and novacom closed... Apr 21 03:46:30 gimme 1 second Apr 21 03:46:48 RagingMind: yeah, I know that's how you enable it Apr 21 03:48:17 I just found about 80 more lines of errors... Apr 21 03:50:29 pastebin? Apr 21 03:50:42 1 second.. trying :) Apr 21 03:51:42 http://pastebin.com/eFs1scGs Apr 21 03:51:46 ^^ should be it Apr 21 03:53:36 I see root cgroup tasks file not found: No such file or directory , but I don't think that's it :) Apr 21 03:53:45 gotta go.. bbl.. cya Apr 21 03:53:57 cya Apr 21 03:55:15 if I'm trying to find what files contain certain words, what cmd would I run? Apr 21 03:56:21 grep? Apr 21 03:58:16 hmm.. when running Apr 21 03:58:33 find / -print | virtual Apr 21 03:58:39 it looks in Apr 21 03:59:39 var/palm/jail/org.webosinternals.wirc/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.wirc: no such file or directory Apr 21 04:05:05 PuffTheMagic: any idea? Apr 21 04:09:16 sineot: you here? Apr 21 04:09:21 sup Apr 21 04:10:02 I found another dockMode file Apr 21 04:12:42 is it where it decides to kill the accelerometers? Apr 21 04:12:57 I'm starting to think that might be in Luna proper and not patchable Apr 21 04:13:28 how do I find luna stuff? Apr 21 04:13:43 I've found some stuff in luna.conf Apr 21 04:21:16 * PatrickC_Pre wishes he could get wirc fixed Apr 21 04:34:25 sineot: you here??? Apr 21 04:34:51 I got agendaView working in landscape!! Apr 21 04:50:49 i dont see anything int hat output, weird Apr 21 04:51:20 what would be the best way to fix it? Apr 21 04:51:25 aside from a doctor.. Apr 21 04:51:51 well since idk what is wrong i cant say how to fix it Apr 21 04:52:08 ok, I'll try a doctor tomorrow... Apr 21 04:52:22 I'm gettin ready to go to bed now.. just finishin up a patch Apr 21 04:53:11 and this is def the wrong channel for all this Apr 21 04:53:23 yeah.. probably Apr 21 04:53:36 #wirc or #webos-internals would be better Apr 21 04:54:05 if you would like, we could work on it more tomorrow Apr 21 04:54:30 I want to get this fixed without doctoring, so we can help others if/when they encounter it Apr 21 05:16:30 night all Apr 21 06:13:09 oh! dkirker! hey :3 Apr 21 06:13:22 hi SineOt! Apr 21 06:13:26 how do you download images in Universe? I could not for the life of me figure it out! Apr 21 06:13:26 * dkirker is super busy Apr 21 06:13:34 well... Apr 21 06:13:38 I am adding the code now Apr 21 06:13:43 but, it doesn't work... Apr 21 06:13:49 for some reason the API is not working Apr 21 06:13:54 Lol Apr 21 06:14:20 so, for now the code will exist, but it might not work (and I suspect that reviews will reflect such) Apr 21 06:14:38 weird! Apr 21 06:14:54 I would have thought that the webView would have just passed that through to the stock browser Apr 21 06:14:54 hopefully it isn't exported but only for com.palm apps... :( Apr 21 06:15:00 it does Apr 21 06:15:07 it does? Apr 21 06:15:14 oh, but then it doesn't do anything? Apr 21 06:15:44 how are you getting at the image? Apr 21 06:16:08 just an image on a page Apr 21 06:16:28 in the stock browser an opt tap brings up a menu with like, copy to photos and maybe share Apr 21 06:16:31 OMG Apr 21 06:16:32 wait Apr 21 06:16:35 it just worked Apr 21 06:16:39 but I couldn't get that to pop up an image in Universe Apr 21 06:16:44 tap and hold Apr 21 06:16:51 hmmmmmmm Apr 21 06:16:53 okay let me try that Apr 21 06:16:59 it won't work yet Apr 21 06:17:05 I am writing the code now :) Apr 21 06:17:05 oh durp Apr 21 06:17:20 sorry, kind of on a trip to the moon right now mentally Apr 21 06:18:01 haha Apr 21 06:18:02 no worries Apr 21 06:18:08 * dkirker is over stressed and busy :/ Apr 21 06:18:19 boo, boo I say Apr 21 06:18:46 I agree :/ Apr 21 06:18:57 two jobs, and Universe, and a messy apartment... Apr 21 06:19:51 :< Apr 21 06:19:59 Messy apartments are, well, messy Apr 21 06:21:18 I think that I am an hour away from the finish line! Apr 21 06:26:37 Two jobs? Apr 21 06:28:57 halfhalo: yeah, one is just a small little thing, but the contract is longer than my Palm one. I am hoping that the Palm contract converts. Apr 21 06:45:57 does anyone here know what the Nova-Bourbon webOS Version Distribution is? I ask because it showed up in my Metrix Analytics Apr 21 06:46:05 hi Apr 21 06:46:40 I think Bourbon is conjectured to be one of the 2.x updates like 2.2 or somethin' Apr 21 06:47:03 Ok thanks. It's a pixi only application Apr 21 06:47:32 how did you limit it to Pixi only? Apr 21 06:47:46 in the distrubtion Apr 21 06:48:04 it's probably running on a Veer then Apr 21 06:48:09 I created two versions of my app, one for pixi and on for pre cause the background needed to be poisitioned differently Apr 21 06:48:30 what's what my random thinking thought too lol Apr 21 06:50:06 the Veers they showed off at the Feb 9th thing were running probably some 2.1 and a half version, so it's probably that Apr 21 06:50:56 I got ya, makes sense now Apr 21 06:53:30 is the veer out already? Apr 21 06:53:36 No Apr 21 06:53:50 I wonder...o2 told me they offer it in june Apr 21 06:54:07 ah ok Apr 21 06:54:22 does anybody know how much ram the veer will have or has? Apr 21 06:54:43 i think precentral.net had it on a post somewhere Apr 21 06:54:48 I always think that's _the_ bottleneck with the pixi Apr 21 06:54:57 Question about storage: Are there any major disadvantages to using the Depot instead of an HTML 5 database? I'm going to be storing JSON objects, but one of the values in the JSON is going to be a multi-megabyte string. Apr 21 06:55:34 I don't have any need to perform complicated queries, and unless I'm gonna get some sort of big performance hit, it seems like the depot is easier in that I don't have to construct SQL... Apr 21 06:55:42 if html5 database is localstorage, then you are limited to 5MB or 10MB Apr 21 06:55:49 Nope, /media/internal Apr 21 06:55:53 k Apr 21 06:56:02 Thanks though. That's why I'm not using db8 Apr 21 07:00:06 wtf? the pre plus has webos2?! Apr 21 07:01:03 you can get it via a method webos-internals has posted on their website Apr 21 07:01:43 does it run well? Apr 21 07:02:04 idk about the pre plus, but on my pre minus (from launch day) it runs fine Apr 21 07:02:10 and it's over clocked Apr 21 07:04:38 ok Apr 21 07:09:01 Hi.. Apr 21 07:09:25 hi Apr 21 07:09:27 Can somebody tell me how to set border and borderColor in ares.. Apr 21 07:09:52 this.controller.get("Garea1").style.border=10; is not working Apr 21 07:10:15 I want to set it in app Apr 21 07:10:24 borderWidth Apr 21 07:12:52 Does anyone else have the issue where you launch an app from eclipse to a device and sometimes it works, but sometimes it launches and then eclipse freezes? Apr 21 07:13:06 I replaced border with borderWidth-But dint work..:-( Apr 21 07:13:11 your on OSX right? Apr 21 07:13:11 Well, I stopped using Uberkernel. It freezes my device randomly independent of set clock-rate :( Apr 21 07:13:27 graywolf336: Me? Yes. Apr 21 07:13:41 rs_: it's style.borderWidth = '10px' e.g. Apr 21 07:14:02 zinge: I sometimes had that problem with eclipse on linux mint, I'd just exit out of it then start the program back up Apr 21 07:14:29 sash_, I had freezes, too, when I installed the uberkernel via the java tool...I "webosdoctor"ed my phone and installed the kernel via preware webos app and never froze again Apr 21 07:14:33 graywolf336: That's what I'm doing. Not any less annoying though :-) Apr 21 07:15:03 I installed it via preware, too. Apr 21 07:15:19 zinge: I know :/ I bought esspresso for osx and then installed the webos.sugar and it works fine Apr 21 07:15:30 zinge: sadly not as much auto complete as eclipse Apr 21 07:15:34 thanks avarus.. Apr 21 07:15:38 it worked Apr 21 07:15:53 cool :) Apr 21 07:18:23 graywolf336, nice, didn't know that exists Apr 21 07:19:33 avarus: very useful! Apr 21 07:39:29 It is possible to get Mojo.Log messages or console.info or anything to show up in the eclipse console? Apr 21 07:39:51 Or do I have to open yet another window to view any kind of output? Apr 21 07:41:09 Hm... looks like Mojo.Log.error will show up, but .warn or .info won't. Apr 21 08:02:51 brb :) Apr 21 08:09:38 Here we go! Apr 21 08:11:50 go! go! go! Apr 21 08:15:02 where do we go Apr 21 08:15:03 ? Apr 21 08:15:21 hotdp: Here! Apr 21 08:15:39 yay Apr 21 08:18:47 The moon! Apr 21 08:19:04 my testers have been oddly quiet :/ Apr 21 08:20:36 testers for? Apr 21 08:21:01 Working on something. Need appid for free #webOS apps that are only in a) Sprint b) VZW c) ATT d) O2 e) SFR f) US g) UK h) DE app catalogs. Apr 21 08:22:40 rwhitby: no idea how to find those... mail palm? Apr 21 08:42:15 hotdp: Universe Apr 21 08:44:44 I have not testede it yet :SD Apr 21 08:44:54 If dropbox worked on my pre i would have tested it by know Apr 21 08:44:57 now* Apr 21 08:45:16 But i have to download it on another computer and email it to myself.. and have not done it yet Apr 21 10:02:11 hi Apr 21 10:03:16 anyone here who have detailed info how to write a txt file to the pre's files system? I've searched the forum and found some stuff but I have still no idea how the realize that Apr 21 10:19:30 Ponisch: you need a service to do that, and if you want to write outside of the jail you need to be a homebrew root service Apr 21 10:21:39 Ponisch: in-channel please Apr 21 10:21:55 Okay: Apr 21 10:22:16 so what is the best way to write a txt (not-homebrew)? The forum didn't helped me. Ah btw sorry for my poor english ;-) Apr 21 10:22:29 where do you want to write it? Apr 21 10:23:59 The user should see it if he connects the device (USB).. For example /media/internal/docs/ Apr 21 10:24:14 webOS 1.4.5 or webOS 2.x ? Apr 21 10:24:36 I guess it's only possible on 2 - or? Hm it would be cool if also webOS 1.4.5 Apr 21 10:24:57 I have a 2.x device Apr 21 10:25:01 for 1.4.5 you need a PDK app. for 2.x you can use a node.js service Apr 21 10:25:25 How to do it with node.js? Apr 21 10:27:06 Is a web connection needed for this? Apr 21 10:27:38 there are videos from webOS developer days on how to do this Apr 21 10:27:46 Look in the Palm channel on YouTube Apr 21 10:28:04 giv' me a minute Apr 21 10:29:44 http://www.youtube.com/user/Palm#p/a/4AB7849EAE99B015/2/6NDAwOvyL5s this one? Apr 21 10:32:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB1TNwSRI6U Apr 21 10:32:33 well thank you Apr 21 10:32:36 hope this helps Apr 21 10:33:02 I assume you also have requested SDK Early Access and are reading the developer.palm.com forums Apr 21 10:33:58 yes to both :-) Apr 21 10:34:33 but I'm still learning Apr 21 10:45:03 anyone know if there is a quick way to convert \r\n in received JSON that is going straight into a div into
s? Apr 21 12:26:57 lozzd: reg exp Apr 21 12:27:06 yeah, i guess that'd work heh Apr 21 12:29:00 is it a lot of json? Apr 21 12:29:44 if not, you could do somethign likeJSON.parse(JSON.stringify(obj).replace("\n\r", "
")) Apr 21 12:30:35 you may need a different regex Apr 21 13:45:56 * PatrickC_Sleepin yawns Apr 21 13:45:59 morning all Apr 21 14:21:04 leiru: 'llo Apr 21 14:25:37 sugardave: have fun today! Apr 21 14:29:07 what's special? Apr 21 14:40:10 haeffb_pre: thanks! Apr 21 14:42:34 morning Apr 21 14:48:26 erg, BSOD on the thinkpad this morning...hope it's not an omen :O Apr 21 14:48:59 time for the complimentary breakfast buffet, though Apr 21 14:49:17 you in Sunnyvale? Apr 21 15:20:22 Cupertino currently, Sunnyvale in a little while Apr 21 15:20:54 cool Apr 21 15:22:00 how's it goin sugardave? Apr 21 15:22:51 well, pretty good, I'd wager Apr 21 15:23:29 I'm thinking of trying to dualboot my pre+ Apr 21 15:23:51 why? Apr 21 15:23:56 seems pointless Apr 21 15:23:58 why not? Apr 21 15:24:04 ^^^ Apr 21 15:24:10 I don't really use the + anymore.. Apr 21 15:24:41 and Android on a pre would be kinda cool Apr 21 15:27:09 I guess...probably better off getting a phone designed for Android Apr 21 15:27:56 I know.. but it would be cool carrying around an android *and* a webOS phone all-in-one :) Apr 21 15:28:29 who do you know that is going to wait the 15 minutes it will take to switch between the two? Apr 21 15:28:57 15min? it took like 1 in he vid Apr 21 15:29:23 1 minute boot time for webOS? really? Apr 21 15:29:32 are you sure about that? Apr 21 15:29:34 to boot into android yeah.. Apr 21 15:29:41 or so it looked in the vid Apr 21 15:29:46 because even my 2 takes more than a minute Apr 21 15:30:15 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/04/android-booted-on-a-pre/ Apr 21 15:30:20 watch the vid there Apr 21 15:30:23 yes, I've heard Apr 21 15:30:25 no Apr 21 15:30:27 I won't Apr 21 15:30:33 I have mo interest in it Apr 21 15:30:40 s/mo/no/ Apr 21 15:31:32 it just looks interesting to me.. but I just found out its booted via a PC and USB cable Apr 21 15:31:57 that's convenient Apr 21 15:32:03 much better than just having an Android phone Apr 21 15:32:31 yeah.. now I'm gone wait till it boots like SHR(or whatever the one that is actually dualbooting is) Apr 21 15:34:09 it's like this: just because you CAN run a script that refreshes the full Palm app feed once per second via cron, doesn't mean you SHOULD Apr 21 15:34:48 right now, I just wish I COULD get wIRC working without doctoring :/ Apr 21 15:35:10 what are you using right now, prayer? Apr 21 15:35:21 wIRC on a different phone Apr 21 15:35:30 it works on my pre-, not my pre2 Apr 21 15:35:31 so the problem is... Apr 21 15:35:42 s/pre2/pre2 anymore Apr 21 15:35:50 plugin won't load Apr 21 15:36:02 no, I mean why not just use ONE phone with wirc? Apr 21 15:36:08 it seems that you make too many problems for yourself Apr 21 15:36:19 I like the Pre2's kb better Apr 21 15:36:43 then I guess you need to decide to dr. or quit whining Apr 21 15:37:11 I'm wanting to fix it, so others can fix it if they run into the problem.. Apr 21 15:38:07 and how many times could you have doctored by now? Apr 21 15:38:11 lots, I'm guessing Apr 21 15:38:21 seems a lot faster than waiting for you to magically fix it Apr 21 15:38:23 about 100 +/- Apr 21 15:38:40 it broke sometime yesterday aftewrnoon Apr 21 15:38:46 afternoon* Apr 21 15:41:00 I'm just gonna doctor, last night puff said he didn't know how to fix it, after he looked at the log.. Apr 21 15:41:38 OH, you want SOMEBODY ELSE to fix it for you...that's not what you said Apr 21 15:42:05 I didn't understand the log, and I was working with puff last night to fix it Apr 21 15:42:29 just because I was in the same airport as Tom Landry doesn't mean I was traveling with him Apr 21 15:42:44 I didn't even know how to get the log I got without puff Apr 21 15:43:08 color me unsurprised Apr 21 15:43:28 it wasn't a regular log, I had to get it from luna Apr 21 15:43:42 mmhmm Apr 21 15:44:08 LunaSysMgr is where I had to get it Apr 21 15:45:08 yes, I know what luna is Apr 21 15:45:32 and I didn't know how to access it.. Apr 21 15:46:10 let me guess...because you failed to read the webos-internals wiki Apr 21 15:46:31 I didn't know I had to access luna in the first place Apr 21 15:47:45 till puff told me Apr 21 15:49:34 bbl, school time Apr 21 16:23:08 hi chuqui Apr 21 16:24:48 yo Apr 21 16:25:56 chuqui: I'm coming for your puppies Apr 21 16:26:19 NO! Apr 21 16:26:48 I will be there in about an hour, hide them if you think it will help Apr 21 16:28:58 off to hide the puppies Apr 21 16:29:28 I guess I would take a prototype TouchPad in lieu of puppies Apr 21 16:30:25 chuqui: I'll find them!! I'm sure they're around your cube somewhere! Apr 21 16:30:52 time to check out, maybe I will ese some of you Palm peeps in a bit Apr 21 16:31:01 sugardave: are you in Sunnyvale? Apr 21 16:32:22 sugardave: ping me on Twitter, and I'll try to meet up with you and say "hi" Apr 21 16:32:34 and with that... I need to leave for work... Apr 21 17:14:33 I'm early Apr 21 17:18:20 that's better then being late Apr 21 17:18:39 well, the doctor screwed up my phone.. lol Apr 21 17:21:50 morning Adora Apr 21 17:30:46 mwenenrnrnrn Apr 21 17:31:33 when is skype coming to all webos devices I wonder Apr 21 17:33:20 I feel so left out of so much using webos Apr 21 17:35:06 do you know the appid of the skype app? Apr 21 17:35:55 there's a skype app? 8D Apr 21 17:36:22 on the vzw pre2 yeah Apr 21 17:37:25 hmmm, can I shout .dump to sqlite from within a webos app and receive the results? Apr 21 17:37:37 just read on precentral all android phones can now makes skype calls over 3g Apr 21 17:38:17 44/25 Apr 21 17:38:23 that's a verizon thing Apr 21 17:39:06 or alternatively: can a execute shell scripts on a non-rooted phone? Apr 21 17:40:11 if someone can find the appid I can probably get you the app legally Apr 21 17:40:33 s/a/i/ Apr 21 17:42:24 madnificent: all the phones are 'rooted' Apr 21 17:43:06 but sounds like you want a service Apr 21 17:44:33 sugardave_pre: yeah, I mean, I need to dump the database, I could do it through a shell script if I can't figure out another way. However, I don't know if I'm allowed to Apr 21 17:45:45 I'm thinking service Apr 21 17:46:36 but...never tried .dump before, not sure if you can do meta-commands or not Apr 21 17:50:49 I'm mainly asking: is this allowed for WebOS 1.x and where do I find information about it Apr 21 17:51:29 who knows and good luck Apr 21 17:51:37 are the answers Apr 21 17:52:21 the other answer is "try it" :) Apr 21 19:20:52 hi Apr 21 19:21:00 hello Apr 21 19:21:00 madnificent: i have no bin folder in my home Apr 21 19:21:02 ... Apr 21 19:22:02 ah Apr 21 19:22:05 mom Apr 21 19:28:10 great it works Apr 21 19:41:41 leiru: cool! Apr 21 19:42:22 leiru: and I guess that's normal, as unix became more of a commodity os. I used it without my own bin folder when I started using it as well... Apr 21 19:43:32 a bin folder in the home....that could be useful... Apr 21 19:44:30 madnificent: i opened a issue and contacted a mac user that also has commited if he would test on a mac. Apr 21 19:44:46 and added a bashrc example to textile. Apr 21 19:45:19 btw. what's a fast way to preview textiles? i always make formatting errors, that looks ugly in commits Apr 21 19:51:06 hrm i will set up a rails project for that driven by redcloth Apr 21 19:51:49 leiru: Sorry, I do the same thing. It fails Apr 21 19:52:42 well, not it, I fail at it Apr 21 19:58:42 2 weeks holidays Apr 21 19:58:58 and tomorrow -> monday easterhegg Apr 21 20:02:15 hm, any idea what i could be doing wrong if my plugin from a hybrid app doesn't start, but runs fine standalone from commandline? Apr 21 20:05:00 * NuttyBunny walks in showing off his brand (not new) Pixi!! :D Apr 21 20:17:55 args, forgot to push the main scene -.- Apr 21 20:18:16 I hate when I do that :/ Apr 21 20:19:14 well, just my 2nd app :D Apr 21 20:20:47 lol, I've got something like 6 apps, but they are all Ares based, and Ares takes care of that for you.. Apr 21 20:20:58 so moving to SDK was a bit of a shock for me :p Apr 21 20:22:45 :) Apr 21 20:23:58 I don't remember manually pushing the main app, does palm-generate do that for you? Apr 21 20:24:23 it doesn't for me Apr 21 20:24:52 then it must've seemed obvious to me Apr 21 20:25:00 ok, brb Apr 21 20:25:01 you should do it in the stage-assistant Apr 21 20:25:04 cya Apr 21 20:25:44 brb too Apr 21 20:25:48 next problem: the object element doesn't know my published method... Apr 21 20:26:16 stbuehler: pastie? Apr 21 20:28:10 Error: Object # has no method 'decode', line undefined, file undefined Apr 21 20:28:30 i just double checked method name and renamed the object element to avoid collisions Apr 21 20:29:08 stbuehler: what's the element named, how do you get it? Apr 21 20:29:18 plugin gets loaded and registers the method name according to tracking.txt Apr 21 20:29:28 $("qrdecodePlugin") Apr 21 20:31:12 and yes, that is the id of the