**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 22 02:59:57 2011
Apr 22 03:00:37 <kevets> richard branson probably has those on the virgin planes I bet
Apr 22 03:00:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 waves to dkirker
Apr 22 03:01:04 <dkirker> hi PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 22 03:01:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin dkirker?
Apr 22 03:02:27 <dkirker> Busy as all hell...
Apr 22 03:02:35 * dkirker was up until 2:30a
Apr 22 03:02:57 <kevets> pre plus is the o2 image ok to use for 2.1?
Apr 22 03:02:58 <kevets> webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar
Apr 22 03:03:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 22 03:03:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> dkirker: that's early
Apr 22 03:06:03 <dkirker> yes, indeed
Apr 22 03:26:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> dkirker: the next universe is public beta? right?
Apr 22 03:26:09 <dkirker> nope
Apr 22 03:26:25 <dkirker> the next Universe is to the app cat
Apr 22 03:27:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool!
Apr 22 03:28:31 * NuttyBunny loves universe, it parses the downloaded filenames correctly unlike the Pre browser :D
Apr 22 03:28:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to re-install Universe on freshly doctored device
Apr 22 03:28:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> dkirker: I can help fix the 2.x hide icons bug if needed
Apr 22 03:29:21 <dkirker> it is a bug in the underlying UI manager...
Apr 22 03:29:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> meaning? its harder to fix then what I know? :p
Apr 22 03:30:40 <dkirker> yes
Apr 22 03:31:11 <dkirker> I had some ugly work around to make the icons use a different shortcut (double tap), but I took it out
Apr 22 03:31:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> is it fixable? without a bunch of reprogramming?
Apr 22 03:31:18 <dkirker> no
Apr 22 03:31:25 <dkirker> a Palm engineer has to fix it
Apr 22 03:31:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I liked the long hold to hide
Apr 22 03:31:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh wow.. ok
Apr 22 03:32:14 <dkirker> I need to add one more option to the context menu!
Apr 22 03:32:16 <dkirker> Download as...
Apr 22 03:32:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> download as?
Apr 22 03:32:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> and is the dl manager accessible via menu?
Apr 22 03:36:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> well I'm off to bed
Apr 22 03:36:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
Apr 22 03:38:01 <dkirker> meaning you can tap and hold on a link and then select to download the file
Apr 22 03:38:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Apr 22 07:50:07 <phoque_uni> hey
Apr 22 07:50:15 <phoque_uni> what's the preferred way to display an error message?
Apr 22 07:50:20 <phoque_uni> via a dialog or a banner?
Apr 22 07:50:29 <phoque_uni> banners should not appear if the app is maximised, right?
Apr 22 08:05:58 <phoque_uni> hm
Apr 22 08:06:10 <phoque_uni> I'll go with a showAlertDialog
Apr 22 08:37:28 <phoque_uni> hm
Apr 22 08:37:40 <phoque_uni> is it possible to show a scrim and spinner while the setup() function of a scene is being executed?
Apr 22 12:18:53 <stbuehler> how can i find out how Ares generate the html/widgets? i'd like to have a panel in my app :)
Apr 22 13:19:58 * PatrickC_Pre2 yawns
Apr 22 13:20:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning all
Apr 22 13:20:03 <avarus> hi
Apr 22 13:20:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay avarus
Apr 22 13:27:39 <stbuehler> moin
Apr 22 13:28:34 <Tibfib> rwhitby: nice find on palmprofile site
Apr 22 13:30:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> what find?
Apr 22 13:31:36 <Tibfib> palm.com/palmprofile
Apr 22 13:33:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't see anything different..
Apr 22 13:33:24 <Tibfib> gotta log in.
Apr 22 13:33:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> the "Remove My Profile" button?
Apr 22 13:35:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> cause that is the only difference I see..
Apr 22 14:17:49 <Spanska> Has anyone already seen this? What id is that exactly? I cannot see that anywhere in Palm files /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.davidlaganiere.holidaydates.calendar.service/configuration/db/kinds/permissions/com.davidlaganiere.holidaydates.calendar: {"errorCode":22,"errorText":"invalid parameters: caller='permissions' error='required property not found - 'id''","returnValue":false} (MojErr: 22)
Apr 22 14:20:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> I've never seen it..
Apr 22 14:22:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's the app comin other then that?
Apr 22 14:22:44 <Spanska> the rest works fine, but I need to get this solved so I can create a calendar
Apr 22 14:23:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool, hope you can get it fixed
Apr 22 14:23:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need to get caught up in school so I can work on getting cookies working in my app
Apr 22 14:24:36 <Spanska> haha
Apr 22 14:24:45 <Spanska> caught up for what?:P
Apr 22 14:24:56 <Spanska> I can help you with cookies
Apr 22 14:25:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm behind.. lol
Apr 22 14:25:04 <Spanska> has that changed from 1.4.5 to 2.1?
Apr 22 14:25:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I haven't tried to get them working all that much.. but if I can't figure it out, I'll be comin here :)
Apr 22 14:25:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't believe so
Apr 22 14:25:40 <Spanska> ok ;)
Apr 22 14:25:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ re: change
Apr 22 14:26:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just need a simple toggle... lol
Apr 22 14:26:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> shouldn't be that hard ;)
Apr 22 14:26:19 <Spanska> well, I guess I'll remove the comments for that part now, at least I'll go foward if I can get them working in the new version
Apr 22 14:26:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> but for me... anything is possible :p
Apr 22 14:26:32 <Spanska> that's important
Apr 22 14:26:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> comments for what?
Apr 22 14:30:35 <sugardave> Spanska: nobody can help PatrickC_Pre2 with cookies.  Many have tried.  I think he just comes here to try to make devs' heads explode
Apr 22 14:31:45 <Spanska> hahaha
Apr 22 14:32:20 <Spanska> PatrickC_Pre2: I actually commented all my code from 1.4.5 and just uncomment it partially as I move everything to 2.0.. that way, I can see how I was doing things before too so I can make them work better
Apr 22 14:33:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: no, its only your head that I like to make explode.. :)
Apr 22 14:33:36 <sugardave> I'm immune, because I know your schtick
Apr 22 14:34:00 <sugardave> and therefore, know that it is far better to not help you than to attempt to help you
Apr 22 14:34:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> once I'm caught up in school (will be soon) I'll devote more time to coding.. I haven't had enough time to try and get them working.. I'm gonna finish my JS tutorial, then try again
Apr 22 14:35:58 <Spanska> I don't mind trying to help anyways
Apr 22 14:36:07 <Spanska> I already had my head explose a few times with my own code
Apr 22 14:38:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, my cookie would be something like this?
Apr 22 14:39:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> if (metrixCookie ==true") {codeToAllowDeviceDataCollection)}
Apr 22 14:40:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/true"/true/
Apr 22 14:43:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> that is not the exact thing? or is it? would that be how to use my cookie?
Apr 22 14:47:04 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: didn't read up on what you did before, but I think you need this: var metrixCookieVal = (new Mojo.Model.Cookie('metrix')).get(); if( metrixCookieVal ){ doWhateverYouWantToDo; };
Apr 22 14:48:18 <madnificent> be warned, this will error out if metrixCookie hasn't been defined yet, so you could do this as well: var cookie = new Mojo.Model.Cookie("metrix"); var metrix_value = cookie && cookie.get(); if( metrix_value ){ doTehFunk(); };
Apr 22 14:48:33 * sugardave laughs and laughs.
Apr 22 14:48:34 <sugardave> fools
Apr 22 14:48:44 <madnificent> sugardave: iz wrong?
Apr 22 14:48:48 <sugardave> nope
Apr 22 14:48:56 <sugardave> but just wait
Apr 22 14:50:53 * PatrickC_Pre2 isn't trying to do it yet.. will try when he gets to a PC
Apr 22 14:50:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Apr 22 14:52:56 <stbuehler> wtf. i always get 'Error: Could not init result parse. Lib out of date?' in my app when the plugin called PDL_JSException -.-
Apr 22 14:53:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: I'll hopefully be coding from an internet accessible machine today :)
Apr 22 15:03:32 <sugardave> DocLee: morning
Apr 22 15:03:57 <Tibfib> DocLee! I saw that the amazon app store had a deal on the android radiotime app
Apr 22 15:03:59 <Tibfib> did you make that?
Apr 22 15:05:02 <sugardave> probably
Apr 22 15:06:00 <Tibfib> oh, I guess he timed out and joined again.. so probably not actually here
Apr 22 15:06:32 <sugardave> indeed :)
Apr 22 15:06:45 <sugardave> OR HE'S JUST IGNORING US!!
Apr 22 15:07:50 <Tibfib> probably
Apr 22 15:08:12 <Tibfib> he makes too much to talk to us lowly indie devs :)
Apr 22 15:08:17 <sugardave> hahaha
Apr 22 15:08:42 <Tibfib> dang, where's funkatron. we need to chat
Apr 22 15:09:24 * Tibfib dms
Apr 22 15:12:35 <stbuehler> is there any timeout on plugin calls that i should know?
Apr 22 15:13:10 <sugardave> stbuehler: I don't do PDK stuff, but for some reason "10-second timeout" is popping into my brain due to your question
Apr 22 15:13:28 <sugardave> but that may not be specific to plugin/PDK stuff
Apr 22 15:13:45 <stbuehler> well, i think it is below 5 seconds
Apr 22 15:13:59 <Tibfib> sugardave: you are probably thinking about your microwave
Apr 22 15:14:31 <sugardave> maybe it's the microwave maikng me think those thoughts
Apr 22 15:14:37 <sugardave> hmmm
Apr 22 15:14:40 <stbuehler> also i just found this topic https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=10022&start=0 and i think it is pretty bad that this is not documented
Apr 22 15:14:57 <stbuehler> as i obviously wasn't the first hitting the problem
Apr 22 15:15:01 <maik> whoooo disturbs my slumberrrrr
Apr 22 15:15:19 <Tibfib> sugardave's failure at typing
Apr 22 15:15:43 <sugardave> maik: oops :)
Apr 22 15:15:59 * maik mumbles something about diamond in the rough and crashes again
Apr 22 15:17:07 <sugardave> stbuehler: ah, Ben C. talked a little bit about this the other day.  It's going to be fixed (I know that helps not at all right now)
Apr 22 15:22:25 <Spanska> PatrickC_Pre2: are you saying you don't have Internet at home except on your Pre2?
Apr 22 15:22:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> no, my main dev PC has no internet
Apr 22 15:23:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> my main dev PC is a poc and I don't feel like buying things to upgrade it atm when I'm gonna be getting a new one soon
Apr 22 15:27:34 <sugardave> don't feel like it or are forbidden...the ever-changing story
Apr 22 15:29:21 <Tibfib> hahah
Apr 22 15:30:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> the forbidden thing has been raised, I don't want to do anything to this lappy cause I'm gettin a job soon, and I'm gonna buy a real dev lappy
Apr 22 15:33:33 <RagingMind> Lenovo U260...  *drools*
Apr 22 15:37:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> RagingMind: wanna buy me one? :)
Apr 22 15:37:41 <RagingMind> If I had the money I'd buy one for me
Apr 22 15:38:32 <Spanska> buy an iMac ;)
Apr 22 15:38:36 <RagingMind> ew
Apr 22 15:38:54 <Spanska> the 27 inches screen is amazing
Apr 22 15:40:41 <Spanska> and Boot Camp works great too
Apr 22 15:41:56 <stbuehler> sugardave: well, i worked around the "plugin not really available" problem of course, but my next problem is that it looks like the plugin call times out after some seconds and returns "Error: Could not init result parse. Lib out of date?"
Apr 22 15:42:23 <stbuehler> well, i guess i have to make it real async on the plugin side too
Apr 22 15:43:40 <sugardave> stbuehler: unfortunately, PDK/plugin stuff is well beyond my expertise in webOS...but sounds like you are on the path
Apr 22 15:44:43 <dkirker> PDK is an interesting (but fun) beast :)
Apr 22 15:49:05 <sugardave> dkirker: oh man, Adam asked me some hard questions yesterday...whiteboarding javascript sucks ass, let me tell you
Apr 22 15:49:24 <sugardave> it's like, the only debugger is you :)
Apr 22 15:54:53 <Tibfib> sugardave: soo, they write js on a whiteboard and you debug? or you write it on a whiteboard?
Apr 22 16:01:21 <sugardave> Tibfib: you write it...like "what's the best way to make an array?"
Apr 22 16:01:32 <Tibfib> ah, and the answer is?
Apr 22 16:01:37 <sugardave> heh
Apr 22 16:01:39 <sugardave> right
Apr 22 16:01:53 <maik> the best way?
Apr 22 16:01:57 <sugardave> I did var test = ["A", "B", "C", "D", "E"];
Apr 22 16:02:10 <Tibfib> heh, that's what I would have done.. is there a better way?
Apr 22 16:02:13 <sugardave> maik: exactly
Apr 22 16:02:42 <sugardave> it then became a discussion on the difference between that way and use new Array()
Apr 22 16:03:03 <Tibfib> ah
Apr 22 16:03:14 <sugardave> now I know how deer feel when they see those shiny lights
Apr 22 16:03:20 <sugardave> uh....
Apr 22 16:03:30 <maik> lol
Apr 22 16:03:34 <maik> is there a difference?
Apr 22 16:04:02 <Tibfib> new Array() is worse iirc
Apr 22 16:04:46 <maik> certainly coding is worse, hell you could do var foo = new Array(); foo.push("A"); ...;
Apr 22 16:04:57 <Spanska> *sigh* another few hours lost because of contradictory documentation :\
Apr 22 16:06:49 <sugardave> well, from what I remember (brain got melted by the last guy) using new (in general) can yield more efficiency when you are using lots of methods/properties in the object's prototype
Apr 22 16:07:34 <sugardave> that way your methods and whatnot aren't necessarily getting run/created until you execute/access them...versus the not-using new method, they get executed/created
Apr 22 16:08:16 <sugardave> it also changes the way this behaves
Apr 22 16:09:15 <Spanska> Should we reach developer relations when we have suggestions/comments concerning documentation?
Apr 22 16:10:42 <sugardave> without new, the scope for this relies on where the object is created, versus being the scope of the constructor (or object prototype, I can't remember) when using new
Apr 22 16:10:53 <sugardave> or something like that
Apr 22 16:11:01 <sugardave> I learned a lot of cool new things
Apr 22 16:11:11 <sugardave> like hoisting
Apr 22 16:11:43 <sugardave> now I know the difference between var test = function(){}; and function test(){};
Apr 22 16:12:10 <maik> is that hoisting?  what's the difference?
Apr 22 16:12:28 <sugardave> Spanska: post them in the dev forum
Apr 22 16:13:09 <sugardave> maik: yeah, hoisting...so if you use the second way, it makes that function available to other code declared before it, because javascript compiler will look through and compile functions first, then vars
Apr 22 16:16:08 <maik> i'm having trouble thinking of a use case for that...
Apr 22 16:21:55 <sugardave> maik: well, be that as it may, there it is
Apr 22 16:23:32 <sugardave> all in all, I think I did okay for somebody whose only javascript experience is with Mojo apps
Apr 22 16:24:21 <lyht> So I just started having a problem. I can't seem to reinstall or delete my app, on my phone or emulator. On the emulator it says FAILED_IPKG_INSTALL, and on the phone it just sits there and never actually installs. And if i try to delete on the phone, it doesn't (on the emu I can't get "alt" click to do anything)
Apr 22 16:24:53 <lyht> is it possible it is to big? It is over 100 meg.
Apr 22 16:25:11 <maik> sugardave: this was an interview?
Apr 22 16:26:46 * PatrickC_Pre2 wanders in
Apr 22 16:32:07 <dkirker> sugardave: that is great!
Apr 22 16:32:10 * dkirker runs off to work
Apr 22 16:33:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone here heard of 8Realms?
Apr 22 16:35:25 <sugardave> maik: yeah, good times :)
Apr 22 16:36:00 <NuttyBunny> 3D Realms crashed hard and stopped developing Duke Nukem Forever, but Take4 stepped in and bought the project, they kept working in silent until they almost got it finished... Of course, that's 3d Realms, not 8realms :)
Apr 22 16:36:11 * NuttyBunny is, as always, saying incoherences
Apr 22 16:42:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> 8Realms is an online MMORP provided by Jagex, who is RuneScape :)
Apr 22 17:30:29 <Spanska> I like these Easter holidays, no work for 2 days :D
Apr 22 19:05:44 <stbuehler> any idea why my toolchain doesn't define fminl/fmaxl ?
Apr 22 19:12:16 <stbuehler> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10103
Apr 22 19:12:18 <stbuehler> very nice -.-
Apr 22 19:55:52 <stbuehler> i just pushed the source for my qr decoder (http://palm.stbuehler.de/) on github: https://github.com/stbuehler/pre-qrdecoder :)
Apr 22 19:57:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool :)
Apr 22 20:54:24 <haeffb> sugardave: methinks you were hoisted...
Apr 22 20:54:50 <SineOt> Whoa... Cool stuff. New polymer that repairs itself when exposed to UV light. Good by scratches!
Apr 22 20:59:40 <Spanska> I have a list of items that contain drawers. When I click on an item to open the drawer, the list moves so that the item is first at the top of the screen. How come it's doing this? This behaviour doesn't seem to occur with the drawers in the StyleMatters application.
Apr 22 20:59:42 <Tibfib> http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/22/iphone-5-design/
Apr 22 20:59:47 <Tibfib> ^kinda ugly
Apr 22 21:01:14 <avarus> doesn't load here
Apr 22 21:01:37 <avarus> now...slowly
Apr 22 21:02:16 <Spanska> it times out here too
Apr 22 21:02:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> its really ugly
Apr 22 21:02:46 <Spanska> even thinner
Apr 22 21:02:56 <Spanska> one day it will be as thin as a paper sheet
Apr 22 21:03:07 <SineOt> most mock ups tend to be pretty ugly
Apr 22 21:03:25 <Spanska> and people won't hold it because they'll be afraid to get paper cuts ;)
Apr 22 21:04:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> Spanska: hehe
Apr 22 21:04:35 <Tibfib> I was never a fan of the tapering of the new macbook airs
Apr 22 21:04:52 * halfhalo wants mba
Apr 22 21:05:07 <Tibfib> I think I'd take a macbook pro first
Apr 22 21:05:13 * Loudergood likes his angular thinkpad and fat rounded pre
Apr 22 21:05:14 <halfhalo> not me
Apr 22 21:05:23 <halfhalo> I use basically textmate only on macs
Apr 22 21:05:38 <avarus> what a  crap
Apr 22 21:05:39 <sugardave> haeffb: hoisted by my own petard?
Apr 22 21:05:40 <halfhalo> and I can't dev on my tp.  nead mah textmates and rails env
Apr 22 21:06:11 <Tibfib> halfhalo: yeah, I like 15" best.. so mbp
Apr 22 21:06:24 <halfhalo> smaller==better for me
Apr 22 21:06:35 <halfhalo> 11 or 13" is my sweet spot
Apr 22 21:06:42 * halfhalo misses his 12" powerbook...
Apr 22 21:06:45 <Loudergood> yeah I've been thinking of selling my T60 and getting a x120e
Apr 22 21:06:51 <Tibfib> I don't have to take my laptop around with me, so I may change my mind in the future :)
Apr 22 21:06:59 <halfhalo> you can snag a x220 for under a grand nowadays
Apr 22 21:07:24 <Loudergood> well right now that looks to be an almost even trade for me
Apr 22 21:07:39 <halfhalo> but smaller/lighter/potentially touchable
Apr 22 21:08:36 <Loudergood> also breaks my budget unfortunately
Apr 22 21:09:11 <halfhalo> psh, budget
Apr 22 21:09:18 <halfhalo> what have those ever done for me?
Apr 22 21:10:44 <KungPhoo> I have a problem. I can't glReadPixels on a FBO on 1.4.5
Apr 22 21:10:49 <KungPhoo> works fine on 2.x
Apr 22 21:16:33 <KungPhoo> sorry - didn't want to break the conversation with a technical questions ;)
Apr 22 21:20:17 <dawm_> too late
Apr 22 21:20:55 <sugardave> dawm_ is the resident PDK expert and knows all about glReadPixels, though
Apr 22 21:21:04 <sugardave> take it away, dawm_
Apr 22 21:21:07 <dawm_> incorrect
Apr 22 21:21:11 <dawm_> i dont even know c
Apr 22 21:21:12 <NuttyBunny> mine is better... how do I get the size of the lvm volumes ?
Apr 22 21:21:40 <KungPhoo> what is lvm?
Apr 22 21:21:48 <Loudergood> sugardave: I thought the C in PatrickC_Pre2 was for the programming language?
Apr 22 21:22:22 <sugardave> that's right!
Apr 22 21:22:51 <NuttyBunny> LVM = Logical Volume Manager, the "system" that handles how the linux partitions are managed in some equipment, as in the webOS phones
Apr 22 21:23:53 <KungPhoo> are there no linux commands to check that?
Apr 22 21:24:01 <KungPhoo> you can use them with popen
Apr 22 21:24:45 <NuttyBunny> no, I'm working on lower layers than that right now, I'm directly working with the installer image, and I needed to find that out
Apr 22 21:24:51 <NuttyBunny>  lvm.static  lvscan
Apr 22 21:30:01 <torchie> if I reset a metadoctored 2.1.0 pre minus it'll still be on 2.1.0 right
Apr 22 21:30:22 <NuttyBunny> yep
Apr 22 21:30:33 <NuttyBunny> uninstall all patches and themes first
Apr 22 21:32:37 <torchie> I think mine is just like
Apr 22 21:32:41 <torchie> completely deteriorating :(
Apr 22 21:34:01 <torchie> app catalog stopped working, it just straight up gives up on using notification sounds, clock takes 8 seconds to refresh on lock screen, calendar notifs go off like 17 minutes late
Apr 22 22:08:17 <madnificent> yay!  Common Lisp runs on the pre
Apr 22 22:08:21 <madnificent> probably not on the pixi though
Apr 22 22:08:44 <madnificent> (for future reference: Clozure's ARM port runs just fine, haven't tried ECL just yet)
Apr 22 22:09:34 <NuttyBunny> it may run
Apr 22 22:10:11 <NuttyBunny> most userspace software runs unmodified from armv7 to armv6, of course, providing you're not using something exotic
Apr 22 22:11:22 <madnificent> ah cool
Apr 22 22:11:28 <madnificent> don't have a pixi to toy with
Apr 22 22:11:50 <madnificent> how would one access the database from the PDK?
Apr 22 22:12:06 <Popple3> hey guys
Apr 22 22:12:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> no more Top Forum Contributor????
Apr 22 22:12:13 <madnificent> I'm guessing I'll have to write some kind of wrapper to a C library?  Or can I get round with shell script calls
Apr 22 22:12:23 <madnificent> 'llo Popple3
Apr 22 22:12:30 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: no more what?
Apr 22 22:12:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> there was a Top Forum Contributor group on developer.palm.com
Apr 22 22:13:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> and its not there anymore..
Apr 22 22:13:25 <Popple3> madnificent: 'lo
Apr 22 22:13:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I wasn't in it, I'm only a Senior Forum Member
Apr 22 22:19:23 <Popple3> Quick question: for multi card apps, do I just implement AppAssistant, and use application manager to essentially launch the app again?
Apr 22 22:21:09 <madnificent> Popple3: https://github.com/madnificent/lisp-addict/blob/master/app/assistants/introduction-card-assistant.js
Apr 22 22:21:31 <KungPhoo> BTW: Can I get a photo in the PDK?
Apr 22 22:21:35 <rwhitby> Popple3: the Lumberjack app has multiple card support.  Source code is on git.webos-internals.org
Apr 22 22:21:36 <KungPhoo> from the camera
Apr 22 22:21:41 <madnificent> Popple3: lisp-addict doesn't have many scenes, so it should be simple to understand :)
Apr 22 22:22:34 <Popple3> rwhitby & madnificent: Thanks, I'll have a look
Apr 22 22:23:46 <madnificent> Popple3: I think you only need what's in the exact link I gave you
Apr 22 22:24:06 <Popple3> madnificent: Whoops, I completely missed the links you sent
Apr 22 22:24:06 <Popple3> lol
Apr 22 22:24:09 * Popple3 reads
Apr 22 22:24:26 <Popple3> ok, I was totally off, Google failed me
Apr 22 22:26:31 <dawm_> http://www.justin.tv/giantbomb#/w/1114767616
Apr 22 22:26:42 <dawm_> mortal kombat tourny while the site is down
Apr 22 22:27:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> you have to verify that you are over 18 lol
Apr 22 22:27:39 <dawm_> lots of blood ;p
Apr 22 22:28:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> so lol
Apr 22 22:32:31 <Popple3> madnificent: Perfect, thanks for that, working perfectly
Apr 22 22:33:52 <Popple3> one last thing to do, then some testing, then submission :D
Apr 22 22:34:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 is gonna play a Java applet game
Apr 22 22:47:22 * NuttyBunny laughs at PatrickC_Pre2 as he tries to play a Java applet game on his 2.1 device
Apr 22 22:47:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm playing on a PC :D
Apr 22 22:48:08 <NuttyBunny> booo! traitor!
Apr 22 22:50:28 <NuttyBunny> New DNF Trailer: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=542662328408&oid=186028571601&comments
Apr 22 22:54:42 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: the site has the uncensored one :)
Apr 22 22:54:56 <madnificent> and that game is going to cost me a grade for sure
Apr 22 22:54:58 <NuttyBunny> is it censored?? argh
Apr 22 23:00:16 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: yeah, blood and boobies
Apr 22 23:00:24 <madnificent> my god, duke still makes me smile
Apr 22 23:05:06 <Popple3> blah, damn buffering
Apr 22 23:05:11 * Popple3 wants the DNF trailer now!
Apr 22 23:09:43 <NuttyBunny> "The adobe flash plugin has crashed"
Apr 22 23:12:22 <SineOt> durpdurp. Hey NuttyBunny
Apr 22 23:12:27 <Popple3> I need that game now!
Apr 22 23:12:28 <SineOt> You working on the Barleywine image? :O
Apr 22 23:15:01 <NuttyBunny> yup
Apr 22 23:15:46 <SineOt> how's it going?
Apr 22 23:16:02 <SineOt> (and I'll gladly donate my Pixi for testing!)
Apr 22 23:19:07 <NuttyBunny> Almost there, it's running 2.1 now, but it's patched as hell.  I need to mount the cryptofs to run preware and unpatch it (the easy way) :D
Apr 22 23:24:44 <SineOt> Awesome :3
Apr 22 23:24:56 <SineOt> yeah removing patches by hand is a pain in the ass
Apr 22 23:57:35 <dawm_> umm.. lame?
Apr 22 23:57:36 <dawm_> http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/712084/super-mario-proposal-princess-was-in-the-right-castle/
Apr 23 00:18:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm__: how's ailium comin?
Apr 23 00:38:23 <Popple3> I'm going mad trying to find something... How do I put a progress pill at the bottom of the scene? Just use a class and override global.css?
Apr 23 00:50:27 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC_Pre2: told ya if i gave up id figure it out
Apr 23 00:51:00 <dawm|laptop> valid move function almost works, just has a kink i need to sort out.. but i fixed the issue where it was accessing the wrong memory space
Apr 23 00:57:36 <Popple3> can anyone help with putting a ProgressPill at the bottom of a scene? My brain is slowly turning to mush with this more than likely easy task
Apr 23 00:58:18 <dawm|laptop> WOOT
Apr 23 00:58:20 <dawm|laptop> it works ;D
Apr 23 01:00:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> yay!!!!
Apr 23 01:00:13 <dawm|laptop> spoke too soon
Apr 23 01:00:15 <dawm|laptop> it broke
Apr 23 01:00:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> :/
Apr 23 01:02:37 <NuttyBunny> Rumor: The iPhone 5 will look like a slab phone about the size of the iPhone 4, 3, 2 and 1. Not sure who started this but it sounds true.
Apr 23 01:02:38 <NuttyBunny> LOL
Apr 23 01:04:16 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: No way! Not gonna happen :P
Apr 23 01:04:50 <NuttyBunny> What do you expect? physical slider keyboard? :)
Apr 23 01:05:32 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: Yes, and a gesture area, and a new card-like multi-tasking system... :P
Apr 23 01:06:14 <NuttyBunny> ah, you're looking at the wrong brand ;)
Apr 23 01:06:33 <Popple3> NuttyBunny: :P
Apr 23 01:07:44 <DocLee> What was I doing?
Apr 23 01:08:06 <NuttyBunny> did you just wake up?
Apr 23 01:08:14 <DocLee> Yeah, right.
Apr 23 01:08:43 <DocLee> Lack of sleep is the issue
Apr 23 01:09:05 <dawm|laptop> ok fixed
Apr 23 01:09:55 <Popple3> hmmm... Any idea why a progress pill inside a div positioned to the bottom won't display until the model is updated, while if I get rid of the div, it displays from the start?
Apr 23 01:12:10 <DocLee> Popple3, where are you creating the pill?
Apr 23 01:12:43 <Popple3> DocLee: In my html
Apr 23 01:13:05 <DocLee> Popple3, I mean, are you initializing it in the scene setup
Apr 23 01:13:08 <Popple3> then setting it up in in setup
Apr 23 01:13:50 <DocLee> Popple3, Are you setting initial values in the setup?
Apr 23 01:13:59 <dawm|laptop> there
Apr 23 01:14:10 <dawm|laptop> played thru until gameover, no glitches ;D
Apr 23 01:14:34 <Popple3> DocLee: Ah, I wasn't setting the title. Still strange why it will display without the wrapping div though
Apr 23 01:15:16 <DocLee> Popple3, In mojo, nothing should be considered strange...
Apr 23 01:15:36 <dawm|laptop> PatrickC_Pre2:  too bad you arent using a mac, i could send you a quick copy
Apr 23 01:15:45 <dawm|laptop> no sound, no scores, but it works ;p
Apr 23 01:16:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> what does a Mac have to do with it?
Apr 23 01:16:45 <dawm|laptop> im writing it in xcode, so it makes a mac version
Apr 23 01:17:03 <dawm|laptop> so i dont have to keep dumping to device (which i havent even tried yet)
Apr 23 01:17:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> you mean a iOS version?
Apr 23 01:17:15 <dawm|laptop> emulator wont run pdk apps
Apr 23 01:17:26 <dawm|laptop> no a mac osx version
Apr 23 01:17:33 <dawm|laptop> dont think it would work on iOS
Apr 23 01:17:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> xcode is also used for iOS
Apr 23 01:17:47 <dawm|laptop> xcode was around before ios..
Apr 23 01:18:57 <dawm|laptop> so i guess SineOt will have the first alpha ;p
Apr 23 01:19:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> :/
Apr 23 01:19:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need hackintosh :p
Apr 23 01:19:25 <dawm|laptop> next week.. i just wanted to solve my issue real quick and i did
Apr 23 01:19:33 <dawm|laptop> no more c++ till monday
Apr 23 01:19:57 <dawm|laptop> or maybe tomorrow night
Apr 23 02:12:05 <SineOt> sup
Apr 23 02:12:24 <syrinx_> yo
Apr 23 02:15:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay
Apr 23 02:18:34 <PatrickC_School> weird..
Apr 23 02:20:03 <syrinx_> rooted my pixi today, alot easier than I thought it would be
Apr 23 02:20:51 <SineOt> what, to turn on devmode?
Apr 23 02:22:53 <syrinx_> yea
Apr 23 02:23:00 <NuttyBunny> syrinx_: the term "rooting" implies doing something illegal and obscure, in webOS we simply turn developer mode on, a procedure 100% supported
Apr 23 02:23:23 <SineOt> and 100% easy
Apr 23 02:23:39 <syrinx_> very easy
Apr 23 02:25:53 <NuttyBunny> konami code FTW! :D
Apr 23 02:26:57 <haeffb> webos20090606
Apr 23 02:27:35 <NuttyBunny> nah, KONAMI CODE!! :D  hehehe
Apr 23 02:35:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> lolr
Apr 23 02:35:56 * Loudergood played a ton of contra when he was younger
Apr 23 02:36:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm with haeffb :p
Apr 23 02:36:04 <Loudergood> I'll never forget that code
Apr 23 02:36:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> RUNESCAPE FTW
Apr 23 02:37:14 * haeffb is too old for konami. PatrickC_Pre2 is too young.
Apr 23 02:54:50 <Loudergood> too old for contra? you going to drag out pacman?
Apr 23 02:55:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> PACMAN FTW!! :)
Apr 23 02:57:17 <Loudergood> http://static.arstechnica.net/assets/2011/03/att_eats-tmobile-ars-thumb-640xauto-20454.jpg
Apr 23 02:57:30 <Loudergood> I thought that was particularly appropriate
Apr 23 02:58:05 <haeffb> pre pacman. Asteroids
Apr 23 02:58:28 <Loudergood> ooh
Apr 23 02:58:46 <haeffb> tabletop asteroids
Apr 23 02:58:48 <Loudergood> I am old enough to remember arcades though...and not the well lit ones
Apr 23 02:59:11 <Loudergood> there was a chinese restaurant when I was little that had tons of those
Apr 23 02:59:16 <Loudergood> always wanted one
Apr 23 02:59:28 <haeffb> tabletop video games? Galaga
Apr 23 02:59:39 <Loudergood> and centipede
Apr 23 02:59:45 <haeffb> was at the pizza hut I worked in college
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