**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 26 02:59:57 2011 Apr 26 03:40:31 hay dkirker Apr 26 04:09:59 stupid xp Apr 26 04:10:24 maybe its just SP2.. doesnt support WPA2, had to setupi my router to do both WPA2 and WPA Apr 26 04:10:27 7 is much better Apr 26 04:10:37 i dont need 7 Apr 26 04:10:42 upgrade to sp3? Apr 26 04:10:42 just put XP on my mac Apr 26 04:10:49 i will now that i have working wireless Apr 26 04:10:56 ah ok Apr 26 04:11:13 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals dawm's mac to play Ailium Apr 26 04:13:06 hi PatrickC_Pre2! Apr 26 04:13:37 I'm lovin Universe, especially being able to lock rotation.. something the stock browser lacks.. Apr 26 04:14:04 I need to fix a small bug with that (and a piece of code that I wrote that makes no sense...). Apr 26 04:14:31 it works fine for me.. what's the bug? Apr 26 04:14:49 multiple cards Apr 26 04:14:59 ah ok Apr 26 04:15:26 it behaves how I would expect it, new card, rotation not locked Apr 26 04:18:31 well, I'm off to bed. Apr 26 04:18:33 night Apr 26 06:31:35 morning Apr 26 06:31:45 Mornings Apr 26 06:34:05 yay :) Apr 26 06:34:47 I'm using webos 1.4.5 now since 2-3 weeks and I simply love it Apr 26 06:35:10 however, what I want is to put different applications on the main bar that is visible most of the time Apr 26 06:35:14 is that possible? Apr 26 06:36:18 ah Apr 26 06:36:20 got it :D Apr 26 06:36:25 just keep the icon pressed Apr 26 06:36:28 then I can drag it Apr 26 06:36:59 mmh I can reorder with that Apr 26 06:37:35 yer Apr 26 06:37:48 luncher it is Apr 26 06:38:35 and the wave bar? Apr 26 06:38:41 where's that :P? Apr 26 06:38:51 .. Apr 26 06:47:29 really...I have no idea Apr 26 06:49:21 ah seems like a modification Apr 26 06:52:06 see you later :) Apr 26 09:40:24 morning Apr 26 09:44:33 Morning swiss Apr 26 09:49:50 morning hotdp Apr 26 10:27:42 Hello Apr 26 10:27:54 Is there any cool phones with webOS? Apr 26 10:29:47 Yes Apr 26 10:30:26 haha Apr 26 12:10:28 madnificent: works on osx :) Apr 26 12:13:07 I want my Pre³! Apr 26 12:19:20 leiru: nice! then we have a nice command :D Apr 26 12:19:55 leiru: perhaps we could add something like jslint right in Apr 26 12:22:10 gaurav_: I'd be happy with a Pre² Apr 26 12:22:57 I think it's silly to buy a Pre 2 seeing as the Pre 3 will be coming later this year Apr 26 12:23:29 comming months it is ,) Apr 26 12:24:26 also: it's the one mistake that killed many projects before: "We know there's product X now and it's great and all but look at the soon to be released X+1" and once X+1 is there, there'll be an X+2 to promote Apr 26 12:25:29 I hope coming months means before July Apr 26 12:25:42 or before August actually Apr 26 12:39:09 Adora: I have two apps in the pipeline to be published. One of them is an update. Will the former non-update one slow down the update? I don't really mind the new one taking time, but I'd like to get the update out. Apr 26 12:40:05 nice Apr 26 12:40:12 Veer reports itself as Veer Apr 26 12:40:25 and apparently was using 2.1.2 Apr 26 12:40:41 Pre3 reports itself as Pre3 Apr 26 12:40:45 running Nova-Catfish Apr 26 12:48:44 grr.. theres a user that grabbed the free version of my game back in august.. and has opened it 3621 times since Apr 26 12:48:54 maybe its not as crippled as it should be? Apr 26 12:49:14 3621? Apr 26 12:49:30 indeed Apr 26 12:49:32 did they give a good review? ;) Apr 26 12:49:33 That's like 20 times a day... Apr 26 12:50:04 and its on a pixi too Apr 26 12:50:56 they're hardcore Apr 26 12:51:37 what game, dawm? Apr 26 12:51:47 swap & drop Apr 26 12:51:51 bejeweled clone Apr 26 12:52:00 nice Apr 26 12:52:44 * rwhitby writes a background service to continuously report launches to metrix-like phone-home services Apr 26 12:53:08 http://www.biocandy.com/labs/webos/swapndrop/ Apr 26 12:53:20 isn't there a better getsatisfaction image you can use, dawm? :P Apr 26 12:53:29 dawm: don't you feel guilty? Apr 26 12:53:39 i havent updated that in forever gaurav_ Apr 26 12:53:47 heheh Apr 26 12:56:15 http://worldwidegadget.blogspot.com/2011/04/hp-ceo-leo-aphoteker-why-hps-webos.html Apr 26 12:56:20 article title is misleading Apr 26 12:56:28 HP CEO Leo Aphoteker :Why HP´s webOS TouchPad wont run Windows.Videos Apr 26 12:56:34 i thought it was about WMV Apr 26 12:57:56 WMV? Apr 26 13:07:55 There's content available in wmv? Apr 26 13:12:32 dawm: that was an interesting watch Apr 26 13:57:24 * PatrickC_Pre2 yawns Apr 26 13:57:26 morning Apr 26 14:05:38 meh Apr 26 14:05:51 I'm having a hard time fiddling around with background synchronisation Apr 26 14:08:05 background synchronisation? Apr 26 14:08:40 yeah Apr 26 14:09:02 ask palm://com.palm.power/timeout to wake up my app Apr 26 14:09:15 and let it fetch the newest data from the web Apr 26 14:09:32 but all it does is destroy the model Apr 26 14:09:45 I think because it's not waiting for the model to be completely loaded from the database Apr 26 14:09:48 isn't com.palm.power where exhibition settings are stored? Apr 26 14:09:55 maybe Apr 26 14:10:10 but palm://com.palm.power/timeout can also issue alerts to specific apps Apr 26 14:10:29 ah ok Apr 26 14:10:46 so yeah Apr 26 14:11:11 all I can do is function waitForDB() { while (!this.dbReady); return; } Apr 26 14:11:16 wich naturally kills my device Apr 26 14:11:17 :-D Apr 26 14:11:19 no Apr 26 14:11:39 mornin sugardave Apr 26 14:11:59 don't do that...your success handler from the db read should then start the next step of your logic Apr 26 14:12:30 sugardave, yeah.. but how Apr 26 14:12:36 hmm Apr 26 14:13:10 well, if you have a functiont hat you run to fetch the data, put that function as the success handler Apr 26 14:13:50 yeah, but I don't want to ALWAYS fetch the data upon model intialization Apr 26 14:14:02 just sometimes Apr 26 14:14:03 :-) Apr 26 14:14:04 you could write a wrapper that takes a function reference as a "callback" and that way you can call db read and pass it the function you want to run or null Apr 26 14:14:18 hmmm Apr 26 14:14:22 good idea Apr 26 14:14:32 and do something like this in your success handler: if (callback) {callback();} Apr 26 14:14:37 I do shit like that all the time Apr 26 14:14:40 yeah Apr 26 14:14:41 yet... Apr 26 14:15:09 argh affpappasasdjaksd Apr 26 14:15:10 mindfuck Apr 26 14:15:30 all this asynchroneus stuff is sometimes really hard to grasp Apr 26 14:15:36 when things start interweaving Apr 26 14:15:56 yeah, but when you get it working it's pretty cool ;) Apr 26 14:18:22 AHHHHHHHHh Apr 26 14:18:25 of course Apr 26 14:18:37 loadDb has a callback Apr 26 14:18:42 and the callback has another one Apr 26 14:21:11 ta-da Apr 26 14:24:39 hmpf Apr 26 14:24:41 not yet Apr 26 14:24:43 :-) Apr 26 14:29:44 this video is all kinda of fail Apr 26 14:29:55 says its HQ, but its blurry as hell and only 240p.. Apr 26 14:32:07 heh Apr 26 14:32:44 hay dawm Apr 26 14:32:51 * cwayne thinks tequila was a poor decision Apr 26 14:32:52 hay is for horses Apr 26 14:33:42 cwayne: morning after? Apr 26 14:33:51 madnificent: yar Apr 26 14:34:30 s/hay/hey/ Apr 26 14:34:31 lol Apr 26 14:34:37 no Apr 26 14:34:42 mornin madnificent Apr 26 14:34:46 you've used 'hay' numerous times lately Apr 26 14:34:48 ive noticed.. Apr 26 14:34:50 no s// Apr 26 14:35:00 I always say "hay" Apr 26 14:35:21 i will great you with 'Hi Fail' from now on then Apr 26 14:35:34 lol Apr 26 14:36:26 man... the Nexus S 4G looks amazing.... Apr 26 14:36:30 no Apr 26 14:37:09 no what? Apr 26 14:37:39 hello PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 26 14:38:06 and the Echo Apr 26 14:38:14 sugardave, it's working... almost Apr 26 14:38:22 :-) Apr 26 14:38:28 I might leave my pre if sprint doesn't get a pre3.... :'( Apr 26 14:38:45 after the background update, the app will be quite confused and the model will be broken Apr 26 14:38:52 but after closing and re-opening the app, it's fin Apr 26 14:40:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 is loving Universe!!! Apr 26 14:44:14 and my callback is called twice Apr 26 14:44:24 Anyone here use Universe as their default browser? Apr 26 14:44:54 what happens if I set var = function() {}; Apr 26 14:44:59 does if(var) execute that function= Apr 26 14:46:23 "var" is a keyword :D Apr 26 14:46:32 and an abbreviation Apr 26 14:46:39 var f = funtion() { }; Apr 26 14:46:47 if (f()) ... Apr 26 14:46:58 ; Apr 26 14:47:07 yeah, sorry Apr 26 14:47:13 foo = function() {} Apr 26 14:47:16 if(foo) Apr 26 14:47:20 appears to execute the function Apr 26 14:47:21 no Apr 26 14:47:31 hmmm Apr 26 14:47:32 it means true Apr 26 14:47:33 weird Apr 26 14:47:36 foo() executes Apr 26 14:47:51 and needs to return true Apr 26 14:54:40 it's working now Apr 26 14:54:55 I'm using this.params['onDbLoaded'](); Apr 26 14:55:05 instead of this.params.onDbLoaded(); Apr 26 14:55:11 don't know if that changed it Apr 26 14:59:49 phoque_uni: those should be equivalent Apr 26 15:00:11 unless... Apr 26 15:00:22 I got nothing Apr 26 15:00:25 :P Apr 26 15:00:58 :-) Apr 26 15:01:14 I also moved the place where I'm setting the callback Apr 26 15:01:20 I am not sure if that changes things Apr 26 15:01:26 anyways, callbacks are the way to go Apr 26 15:01:28 :-) Apr 26 15:01:31 yes Apr 26 15:02:04 is there a way to like safe boot pre- by holding volume button or something? Apr 26 15:02:06 yup Apr 26 15:02:30 what is the method Apr 26 15:02:52 im trying to run doctor on my phone but it keeps failing Apr 26 15:03:41 palm.com/rom shows you Apr 26 15:05:26 I've read somewhere that I can set certain conditions for palm://com.palm.power/timeout Apr 26 15:05:31 like "internet must be connected" Apr 26 15:05:38 was that a dream? Apr 26 15:05:39 :-) Apr 26 15:07:17 so you run it while the usb icon is up? Apr 26 15:07:51 yep Apr 26 15:09:35 jackjohn: meta-doctor, or original doctor? Apr 26 15:12:27 im going back to original Apr 26 15:12:31 1.4.5 right now Apr 26 15:12:41 going to bring phone in to see if i can get replacement Apr 26 15:13:19 and where does the doctor breaks? (percentage, error?) Apr 26 15:13:35 was breaking right away Apr 26 15:13:45 let me try it in rom mode Apr 26 15:13:50 and will let you know shortly Apr 26 15:13:58 i was at meta-doctor 2.1 Apr 26 15:14:21 what OS was the meta-doctor built with? Apr 26 15:14:32 windows Apr 26 15:14:42 just built one with ubuntu though Apr 26 15:14:50 and if i get new phone will use that build Apr 26 15:15:04 ok good Apr 26 15:15:27 could you run the doctor directly from a cmd window and see what errors it throws? Apr 26 15:15:57 just started it through java Apr 26 15:16:07 its a 4% now Apr 26 15:16:12 8 Apr 26 15:16:55 the webos internals icon is showing on phone now Apr 26 15:17:25 it should show a CPU icon next Apr 26 15:17:27 now a processor so it looks like its going Apr 26 15:18:06 yep, it's running Apr 26 15:18:31 i have weird issues after i unplug my headphones Apr 26 15:18:40 a lot of times it will stay on headphone mode Apr 26 15:18:51 and i think im on 3rd pre that they have given me Apr 26 15:19:27 so hoping they will give me another new one Apr 26 15:19:27 but that's not software related Apr 26 15:19:47 right, but i didnt want to bring my phone in with all the hacks and stuff on it Apr 26 15:19:51 and 2.1 Apr 26 15:19:56 but he also can't take it in with 2.1 Apr 26 15:20:05 and govnah Apr 26 15:20:14 excellent decision :) Apr 26 15:20:34 theres times when the screen also just will flash and turn on and off Apr 26 15:20:39 I've taken my Pixi in running at 88x MHz and they replaced it :) Apr 26 15:21:24 mmm... it flashes... when in a call? Apr 26 15:21:34 no when doing nothing Apr 26 15:21:47 just sitting there screen will turn on, no notifications or anything Apr 26 15:22:43 yes, my Pre does that sometimes... or it makes an alert sound, turns on, then off, and I never knew what was it Apr 26 15:23:07 of course, it's patched and hacked as hell so I'll never know what causes that ;) Apr 26 15:23:08 not sure if its from overclocking or what? Apr 26 15:23:17 don't think so Apr 26 15:23:23 is it on a touchstone when it does it? Apr 26 15:23:34 no dont have a touchstone Apr 26 15:23:44 wow you're missing out then Apr 26 15:24:02 oh yeah, why is that? Apr 26 15:24:07 touchstone FTW!! Apr 26 15:24:12 Exhibition is amazing Apr 26 15:24:33 no need to plug it in Apr 26 15:24:59 touchstone needs to be plugged in though Apr 26 15:25:01 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes we could go into USB mode with the touchstone Apr 26 15:25:44 nuttybunny and updates on 2.1 for pixi? Apr 26 15:26:28 preparing a review on that Apr 26 15:26:38 jackjohn: be watching my blog ( http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com ) for updates :) Apr 26 15:26:52 we'll have the exclusive ;) Apr 26 15:27:04 yep :) Apr 26 15:27:19 cool Apr 26 15:27:35 what does exhibition allow you to do? Apr 26 15:28:01 havent played with it a whole lot yet Apr 26 15:28:17 just show you crap Apr 26 15:31:30 back to 1.4.5 :( Apr 26 15:31:33 dawm: you just gave me a sick idea for an exhibition app... just like the fart apps :P Apr 26 15:31:49 just give me 10% and ill be happy Apr 26 15:32:00 heh Apr 26 15:32:32 theres a smally crack on the bottom of my pre so im afraid they wont replace it Apr 26 15:33:05 you got insurance on it? Apr 26 15:33:20 yea Apr 26 15:33:45 they should replace iirc Apr 26 15:34:16 dawm: Oh, my, my idea just got sicker... interactive turd Apr 26 15:34:26 havent had to pay for it yet with the other replacements they have given me Apr 26 15:34:27 sorry... gotta think on something else Apr 26 15:38:19 woot.. back on top of the friends leaderboard Apr 26 15:38:26 Java-applet game FTW Apr 26 15:38:50 every week for as long as i can remember (as long as bejeweled blitz on facebook has been around) im always #1 Apr 26 15:39:10 every once in a while someone beats my score, but i always overcome Apr 26 15:39:15 what is ur top score? Apr 26 15:39:31 i dont recall Apr 26 15:39:36 468400 this week Apr 26 15:39:49 oh wait Apr 26 15:39:54 602050 Apr 26 15:43:59 not sure if you can see this but Apr 26 15:44:00 http://www.facebook.com/dawmd/posts/144000112333659 Apr 26 15:45:11 dawm: you drive an impreza? Apr 26 15:45:25 as of last month yes Apr 26 15:46:04 looks like it's a 'real' one :) is it? Apr 26 15:46:12 yeah its a 06 sti Apr 26 15:46:25 i hate watching my replays cause i notice where i could have gotten more points.. Apr 26 15:47:54 dawm: congrats then, a piece of motoring history on the road Apr 26 15:48:19 im not following you Apr 26 15:48:59 the impreza is one of the few legendary models on the road imo Apr 26 15:49:05 oh yeah Apr 26 15:49:22 lemme find the wording Apr 26 15:49:23 can't say I find it the prettiest of cars, but then again, I dislike virtually any new car Apr 26 15:49:56 but congrats, treat it well! Apr 26 15:50:04 or her, if you prefer that Apr 26 15:50:49 yeah not many automakers keep a model around for so long Apr 26 15:50:55 1993-Present Apr 26 15:51:13 german makes tend to do so :) Apr 26 15:51:24 they use numbers tho :P Apr 26 15:51:27 but I grasp you. It's a racing legend, that has been built for years Apr 26 15:51:47 its horrible on gas, parts are uber expensive but ive always wanted one Apr 26 15:52:57 what do you get (if possible in l/100km) Apr 26 15:53:05 it was either the 06 STI or a 08 WRX Hatchback.. and after it was all done (dealer mistake) i got it cheaper than the 08 WRX Apr 26 15:53:21 my best so far (only had 3 tanks full so far) was 19miles per gallon Apr 26 15:53:23 i think Apr 26 15:53:38 19.65 Apr 26 15:53:50 first tank was 15.06 :P Apr 26 15:54:18 but i have a feeling this next fill up is gonna be worse, and gas prices rose yet again Apr 26 15:54:28 dawm: my e30 3 series uses just as much :) Apr 26 15:55:04 gonna be like $4.30/gallon when i go fill it up today :( Apr 26 15:55:15 :( Apr 26 15:55:37 * halfhalo pays that now... 70 to fill up.. ugg Apr 26 15:55:53 * madnificent runs on LPG ^_^ Apr 26 15:55:58 http://www.detroitgasprices.com/Price_By_County.aspx Apr 26 15:56:02 grr Apr 26 15:56:12 costs me like 50 to fill up Apr 26 15:56:28 * halfhalo gets _11_ mpg on his school route Apr 26 15:59:17 morning chuqui Apr 26 15:59:37 im like 4miles from work, and i dont travel around much so my gas milage is horrible due to the stop and go Apr 26 15:59:41 morning chuqui Apr 26 15:59:47 and the gas sucking turbo Apr 26 15:59:49 morning! Apr 26 16:00:59 4 dollars for gas ... wow Apr 26 16:02:14 its still about 3.50 herw Apr 26 16:02:17 here* Apr 26 16:02:23 swisstomcat: per gallon, not liter :) Apr 26 16:02:25 its like 4.40 here Apr 26 16:02:34 yay sf Apr 26 16:02:50 i remember when it was .99 back in .... 99 or so Apr 26 16:02:56 think I paid 4.30 for regular on sat.. good times... Apr 26 16:03:15 heres its 4.40-4.50 for reg Apr 26 16:03:16 so who can still afford to have a hummer now? Apr 26 16:03:17 4.80 for prem Apr 26 16:03:24 the governator Apr 26 16:03:33 drug dealers? Apr 26 16:03:53 and oil Apr 26 16:03:58 oil makes his own gas Apr 26 16:04:17 well his name is oil Apr 26 16:05:28 hehe Apr 26 16:30:15 4.25/g for gas =| Apr 26 16:31:02 pft, you've got it nice @_@ Apr 26 16:31:08 it's about that price for 87 here Apr 26 16:31:21 thats for 93 w/ credit Apr 26 16:31:38 not sure if its everywhere but here in MI they charge more if you pay with credit/debit Apr 26 16:31:47 like 6-9cents more Apr 26 16:31:49 I've seen 4.35 for 87 XD Apr 26 16:32:18 It's normally the same, sometimes they tack on an extra fee you have to agree to on the pump itself if you use debit, like an extra 45 cents normally Apr 26 16:32:30 ... but then you just run it as credit and don't bother with the debit fee Apr 26 16:33:18 some gas stations around here charge the same for cash or credit, but there arent any around my area Apr 26 16:33:24 not worth the drive to one either Apr 26 16:34:10 I just go to Costco honestly Apr 26 16:34:23 It's normally 20-30 cents cheaper per gallon than most other places Apr 26 16:35:29 i stick to BP or Mobil Apr 26 16:35:44 wish i had a BP gas card so i could earn rewards but meh Apr 26 16:36:15 We don't have BP out here, just Arco. Whatever they do to meet California's requirements sucks though :C Apr 26 16:36:26 heh Apr 26 16:36:28 Makes the truck knock and it drives me insane, such an annoying noise Apr 26 16:36:39 sucks that you guys only have 91 too Apr 26 16:40:15 eh, I don't really mind it too much! Gas in California has always been weird and expensive Apr 26 16:40:26 kind of weird to hear that it's about the same price elsewhere now Apr 26 16:40:47 I remember when we used to go to Arizona the moment you crossed the border the gas prices dropped like a dollar fifty Apr 26 16:41:09 dang Apr 26 16:41:38 mind this was from like 2.50 to 1.25 Apr 26 16:41:49 most gas in the area now is 4.10+ :I Apr 26 16:49:49 wait, why is 2.3 launching on the Pre3 some sort of news? Apr 26 16:50:02 I thought the Pre3/Touchpad page said that you'd need 2.3 for touch to share Apr 26 16:54:19 where does it say that its news? Apr 26 16:55:39 Precentral makes it sound like some major surprise news Apr 26 17:06:34 thats prolly what Nova-Catfish is Apr 26 17:06:35 2.3 Apr 26 17:06:48 a Pre3 running Nova-Catfish popped up in my logs Apr 26 17:06:54 and a Veer running 2.1.2 Apr 26 17:07:33 dawm: what app? Apr 26 17:07:49 the paid version of swap & drop Apr 26 17:07:57 prolly from when i pushed a meta update Apr 26 17:08:03 and they 'tested' it Apr 26 17:08:34 oooh~ Apr 26 17:09:05 Nova-Catfish was also tested from 'Device' Apr 26 17:09:08 er Apr 26 17:09:20 a 'Device' running catfish ran the app Apr 26 17:09:31 usually "Device' is the emulator Apr 26 17:10:11 but the pre3 was on the same ip ive seen in the past thats palm Apr 26 17:11:32 I really should make that Luna theme... :I Apr 26 17:11:51 too bad there isn't an easy way to change the very first boot image on device without meta-doctor Apr 26 17:13:02 funny Apr 26 17:13:17 a Sprint Pre running 2.0.1 Apr 26 17:13:25 er 2.1.0 Apr 26 17:13:33 that has the coreNaviButton Apr 26 17:13:59 aka jewel Apr 26 17:14:23 the Pixi with the jewel was the most hilariously stupid looking device I think I've ever seen Apr 26 17:40:18 NuttyBunny-work: I am so sorry about the P|C forums being so dumb :p Apr 26 17:41:29 I love API docs that include golden tidbits like this. "Gets a percentage, of what is not obviously documented, presumably Position/Duration*100" Apr 26 17:41:39 I'm so glad they don't even know what their own API returns @_@ Apr 26 17:55:45 i am at a complete loss as to how this is actually working.. soo puzzled Apr 26 17:55:54 i hate messing with my old code, its so.. hacked together Apr 26 17:56:53 my friend wants to code... and doesn't know how to extract a .zip file Apr 26 17:56:59 *facepalm* Apr 26 17:57:10 sounds strangely familiar! :Q Apr 26 17:57:48 I know how to extract a zip file lol Apr 26 17:59:14 he'll learn... eventually... Apr 26 17:59:16 * PatrickC_Pre2 hopes Apr 26 18:01:17 may take awhile Apr 26 18:01:18 lol Apr 26 18:02:45 dawm: refactor soon enough Apr 26 18:02:58 thi sjust doesnt make sense Apr 26 18:03:02 its a friggen icon Apr 26 18:03:04 meh Apr 26 18:03:08 i blame komodo Apr 26 18:03:11 mmmmmm.... refactor... Apr 26 18:15:21 so: remote API needs a device ID. Should I just use the NDUID for the device, to get an easy, known unique value? Apr 26 18:15:35 yes Apr 26 18:15:53 good enough for me! Apr 26 18:17:17 sineot: hash the nduid Apr 26 18:17:26 then you should be fine Apr 26 18:18:47 swisstomcat: the API basically functions like a bluetooth pairing request, and only functions on the local network. would a hash even be needed? Apr 26 18:19:03 i guess not if they're not stored Apr 26 18:19:22 it's really only stored on the Boxee Box, which will be placed under the user's TV, so... Apr 26 18:20:08 I'm not even sure if it's stored, to be honest Apr 26 18:20:24 just that it gets used in the challenge/request stage Apr 26 18:22:38 there Apr 26 18:22:59 pushing an updated version.. which i havent done since before the hotapps contest Apr 26 18:23:17 updated version of? Apr 26 18:23:29 switched it over to my callhome v2, updated the support scene as well as redid the help scene Apr 26 18:23:31 swap&drop Apr 26 18:23:53 cool Apr 26 18:24:36 my apptrack v1 is too hard on my database, v2 has 1 row per nuid, where as v1 has 1 row per use.. so its grown a lot :P Apr 26 18:28:42 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2946787#post2946787 Apr 26 18:29:00 what i should do is add a HP logo piece Apr 26 18:29:11 i wont remove the Palm one, but i'd add an HP Apr 26 18:29:23 ill save that for a later update i dont wanna touch this anymore today Apr 26 18:29:40 lol Apr 26 18:38:09 they replaced it... now time to hack it up Apr 26 18:38:15 install 2.1 Apr 26 18:38:53 http://tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/2011/04/25/say-fish/?xrs=synd_facebook Apr 26 18:39:47 http://gear.ign.com/articles/116/1164100p1.html Apr 26 18:39:55 Sony Playstation Tablets Apr 26 18:40:14 jackjohn: cool Apr 26 18:40:35 dawm: PST? (PlayStation Tablet?)?! Apr 26 18:40:43 calm down Apr 26 18:40:47 it is droid Apr 26 18:40:49 wifi/3g/4g Apr 26 18:40:54 will play PS1 titles Apr 26 18:41:00 wow.. lol Apr 26 18:41:06 I had a PS1 :) Apr 26 18:41:07 i think its just a tablet replacement for the PSP Go Apr 26 18:41:12 and a Sega Apr 26 18:41:21 i still have my PSX and Genesis(version 2) Apr 26 18:41:23 PSP Go was stupid.. lol Apr 26 18:41:33 hell i haev my original game boy and gameboy game genie Apr 26 18:41:42 and gameboy pocket (atomic purple) Apr 26 18:41:53 the Go was dumb just because the infrastructure wasn't really there to like, do anything with it Apr 26 18:42:02 I still have my GBA SP Apr 26 18:42:30 and my GameCube :) Apr 26 18:42:38 with GameBoy Player Apr 26 18:44:15 I was very sad when my xbox kicked the bucket...xbmc was very nice Apr 26 18:44:27 it finally died? Apr 26 18:44:41 the drive went Apr 26 18:44:53 which is fatal if you haven't backed up the encryption Apr 26 18:45:29 did you back it up? Apr 26 18:45:47 haha no, I didn't find this out until I looked into getting a replacement Apr 26 18:46:33 lol.. Apr 26 18:46:36 that stinks Apr 26 18:46:50 Good thing Xboxes are like, dirt cheap these days. :p Apr 26 18:47:18 Of course, now, I'd just spring for a dedicated media box like the Apple TV or Boxee Box or Roku or somethin' Apr 26 18:47:47 I ended up building a htpc from parts Apr 26 18:48:38 the microatx desktop style case slides right into the entertainment center a few slots above the reciever Apr 26 18:49:47 Cool :> Apr 26 18:49:56 heh... I still have a first gen psp somewhere... that thing was awesome in the day Apr 26 18:50:11 yeah our Boxee Box sits on the media center thing alongside the TV... And surrounded by ponies and tachikomas e_e Apr 26 18:50:29 also have a metallic blue game boy pocket. Apr 26 18:51:44 I've got an artic blue gameboy advance and that silly clear purple gameboy color... That never get used :I Apr 26 18:51:48 yeah, this was about a week after they delayed that thing the first time Apr 26 18:52:00 I can just emulate GBC/GB on my DS! :U Apr 26 18:52:06 psh Apr 26 18:52:09 ponies and tachikomas....that's an odd combination Apr 26 18:52:15 nowadays I don't play much mobile stuff Apr 26 18:52:27 SineOt, atomic purple Apr 26 18:52:32 buuuttt. I do have pokemon red in my backpack. Apr 26 18:52:32 when it came out it was uber hard to find Apr 26 18:52:34 win Apr 26 18:52:49 Loudergood: both come from awesome animated series, they're hardly that odd..! :] Apr 26 18:52:50 i dont know why my ex bought me one for xmas , but i have it somewhere heh Apr 26 18:52:53 had one of the clear pockets as well, but that broke... Apr 26 18:53:35 I still think that as far as Nintendo handhelds go, the white DS Lite is probably the best of the bunch. Especially if it's a launch one before they changed the hinges out Apr 26 18:53:54 I've got one of those....around here somewhere Apr 26 18:54:02 I was just thinking about it the other day.. Apr 26 18:54:12 I still use mine like, way often. Apr 26 18:54:23 I don't play games often enough any more Apr 26 18:54:26 I'm bummed they changed the hinge design though after that first launch bunch. Apr 26 18:54:27 I need to fix that Apr 26 18:54:47 99% of my time on it is playing Bejewelled Twist. Apr 26 18:55:32 I play most stuff off my pc nowadays. Rarely a console, and if I do consolize it its on the ps3 Apr 26 18:56:13 Bejewelled Twist is awesome and totally killer sweet :I Apr 26 18:56:43 yeah I've been PC for years, but I have a huge weakness for platformers Apr 26 18:57:26 I still randomly boot up Mario64 and just run around in the entry level for an hour or so sometimes Apr 26 18:57:46 lol Apr 26 18:57:50 For me, it's Star Fox 64. I've been going back and forth with that to break the highscores. Apr 26 18:58:09 I think I'm up to like 1600 kills in one run. Highest record I've seen online is like 2800 and makes me go :C Apr 26 18:58:47 my TouchPad/Pre3/Veer should arrive today Apr 26 18:58:56 http://www.precentral.net/xin-test-2020 Apr 26 18:59:36 speaking of games, my touchpad is going to be adventure game city when I get it Apr 26 18:59:49 dosbox/scummvm ftw Apr 26 18:59:54 dawm: lol Apr 26 19:00:03 I've been trying to find someone with some SDL experience to see if POWDER can get built for webOS easily, haha :p Apr 26 19:00:05 fprimex: oh that should be amazing Apr 26 19:00:45 I've been stocking up on 'em for a while. bought the king's quest, space quest, and LSL collections and already have a bunch of lucasarts Apr 26 19:01:15 somebody needs to do this for the Touchpad: http://boxerapp.com/ Apr 26 19:01:31 indeed Apr 26 19:01:36 Boxer is awesome Apr 26 19:01:52 I have info from the developer on how he packages everything... mayhaps I will put some funding out there to get it done if that's what it takes Apr 26 19:05:16 the Sprint Google Voice integration is pretty awesome Apr 26 19:05:36 you use it? Apr 26 19:05:37 too bad that webOS won't show that you have a voice mail when using it though, you don't get any notifications on the device :< Apr 26 19:05:45 yeah, rolled it over yesterday Apr 26 19:06:02 I haven't tried out GVoice yet Apr 26 19:06:23 it's a cool service Apr 26 19:06:42 and free, right? Apr 26 19:06:42 one complaint about Sprint Google Voice integration is that I don't think you can have a second number that forwards to your phone Apr 26 19:06:44 yup Apr 26 19:07:02 Did I read Starfox 64? :D Apr 26 19:07:02 I like having a second number I can give out to peopel I don't quite trust with my personal line XP Apr 26 19:07:10 NuttyBunny-work: that you did! Apr 26 19:07:11 yep Apr 26 19:07:36 SineOt: the Sprint/GVoice is the same as having Voogle? right? Apr 26 19:07:52 Er, what? No? Apr 26 19:08:03 It gives you Google Voice access using your Sprint phone number Apr 26 19:08:08 instead of a secondary number Apr 26 19:08:14 oh cool Apr 26 19:08:19 I'll have to look into it Apr 26 19:08:35 hmm.... I have popcorn here.... Apr 26 19:08:44 so now instead of having Sprint # and GV #, I have Sprint # that has all the GV stuff enabled Apr 26 19:09:09 * PatrickC_Pre2 is wondering what FedEx is bringing him today... Apr 26 19:09:11 voicemail, transcription, etc Apr 26 19:09:16 cool Apr 26 19:10:01 jealous Apr 26 19:10:37 of course, anyone can do that... Google just charges you like, 20 to do it and might break your contract to port the number Apr 26 19:11:25 I have no contract, but the last time I mess with porting a number it took several days Apr 26 19:11:41 that was unpleasant Apr 26 19:12:27 yeah... it depends on the carrier on how quickly they release the number to port Apr 26 19:12:41 * PatrickC_Pre2 has 2 Hulu bumper stickers, and no bumpers to put them on Apr 26 19:13:51 you should fix that Apr 26 19:14:10 I dunno, even then, why would you put Hulu bumper stickers on it Apr 26 19:14:18 some people cover their laptops with bumper stickers Apr 26 19:14:20 hulus about as cool as aids Apr 26 19:14:28 who said it was your car you put them on? Apr 26 19:14:38 lol Apr 26 19:14:43 * Loudergood has a 23 year old car and still doesn't put bumper stickers on it Apr 26 19:14:52 my laptop has some stickers on it XD Apr 26 19:14:59 mine.... has none Apr 26 19:15:02 * oil has no bumper stickers on his 87 accord Apr 26 19:15:03 * cwayne needs a new laptop Apr 26 19:15:08 some bootlegged japanese couture pokemon stuff Apr 26 19:15:12 my laptop isn't worthy to have bumper stickers on it Apr 26 19:15:14 * cwayne has nothing on his 99 camry Apr 26 19:15:36 I've got some apple stickers on the window of my S10, but window stickers are easy to remove Apr 26 19:15:41 but i do have a palm and a fallout "vault boy" sticker on my laptop Apr 26 19:16:39 booo Apr 26 19:16:45 cant stand stickers Apr 26 19:16:50 yeah, here we go: this guy http://pokebeach.com/news/0608/104-cubone.jpg Apr 26 19:17:22 my laptop has stickers on it, I'm getting a new one though, so now I need to figure out what I'm doing w/ the stickers Apr 26 19:17:38 although if I had some ponies they'd be on there too..! Apr 26 19:18:32 lol Apr 26 19:18:48 mmm.... popcorn.... Apr 26 19:19:05 argh, I'm hungry! Apr 26 19:20:03 2.1 installed... now time to patch Apr 26 19:20:28 is there patch to change like the pages to 4 *4 icons Apr 26 19:20:38 nope Apr 26 19:20:46 nope, the 2.1 launcher is built with QT Apr 26 19:20:50 no 2.x launcher patches Apr 26 19:20:56 not as easy to patch as a bunch of CSS and HTML Apr 26 19:22:57 so now that i got a new phone, best way to restore stuff to install the save/restore app and run that? Apr 26 19:23:23 yep Apr 26 19:23:28 if you saved stuff with it Apr 26 19:23:29 yeah, and to be sure to copy the files it makes off the phone first Apr 26 19:23:40 what do you mean Apr 26 19:24:04 Save/Restore makes a back up file on the USB drive of the phone Apr 26 19:24:15 but if you forget to actually copy it off the phone, it's not much of a backup XD Apr 26 19:24:31 yeah i copied everything off usb to my computer Apr 26 19:24:59 I did that once. Realized I had took the time to back up using Save/Restore, only to not copy it off the drive before doing a full erase. Oooooops Apr 26 19:25:02 so i need to copy the saverestore folder over to new phone Apr 26 19:25:11 yes Apr 26 19:29:46 and we are finally online: http://zenappstudios.com/ Apr 26 19:31:46 leiru: is it suppose to be "three designers"? Apr 26 19:32:16 leiru: looks like a nice site Apr 26 19:35:51 PatrickC_Pre2: you mean free? Apr 26 19:36:14 yeah, I didn't know if it was suppose to be "three" Apr 26 19:36:49 why wouldn't it be three? Apr 26 19:37:29 " group of *free* designers" Apr 26 19:37:30 or Apr 26 19:37:38 "group of *three* designers" Apr 26 19:38:55 ok before the argue starts, i changed free to independent ;) Apr 26 19:39:21 ok :) Apr 26 19:40:39 no argument required, he's just a mo Apr 26 19:41:47 ooooh, hah. I thought three was, well, the number of people :p Apr 26 19:42:22 that's what I thought, I figured it was a spelling error ment to say how many designers there was Apr 26 19:42:53 is there a way to get at the data from appinfo.json from your assistants? Apr 26 19:43:26 * sugardave doesn't presume to know other people's copy. Apr 26 19:43:40 to me, free means free, not three Apr 26 19:44:10 four Apr 26 19:44:24 jettero: yes, lots of things in Mojo.appInfo namespace Apr 26 19:44:26 jettero: yes Apr 26 19:44:38 sixty five Apr 26 19:44:45 hey folks! Apr 26 19:44:47 plus 4 Apr 26 19:45:18 tryin to play w/ a windows box now, but having a lot of driver q's.. Where can I get the OMAP3630, Palm & novacom drivers? (w/o installin sdk for latter) Apr 26 19:45:42 you can get drivers from the doc Apr 26 19:46:17 "the doc"? Apr 26 19:46:25 webos doctor Apr 26 19:46:29 yep Apr 26 19:46:33 includes novacom drivers, etc Apr 26 19:46:41 sweet, thanks sugardave/oil Apr 26 19:46:46 dunno about the OMAP stuff but novacom is in webos doctors Apr 26 19:47:11 oh, hrmm.. Apr 26 19:47:33 so just install java, grab a doc, run it, and in the process of starting up/looking for devices it'll install everything? Apr 26 19:47:36 interesting.. Apr 26 19:49:51 or you can just unzip the doctor and pull out the exe for novacom from it Apr 26 19:50:06 yeah Apr 26 19:50:28 there is also a couple tools that grab just it out of the jar Apr 26 19:51:43 seems like good files to link from the WOI wiki, no? (seems extreme for me to d/l a whole doctor for novacom drivers...) Apr 26 19:52:53 (yes i have many doctors downloaded.. in linux.. maybe i'll just reboot) Apr 26 19:53:14 does the novacom driver make the phone show up as a port/modem in win device manager? Apr 26 19:53:48 the replacement phone they gave the screen is cloudy on it Apr 26 19:54:10 ajay: we can't redistribute the drivers Apr 26 19:54:19 the only legal way to get them is included in the doctor Apr 26 19:55:39 oil: i shoulda guessed,heh.. :) Apr 26 19:55:48 bbiab Apr 26 19:55:58 but as i said, there is a couple tools that downloads just that part out of the jar Apr 26 19:56:01 instead of downloading the entire thing Apr 26 19:58:27 "look, its internetman!" Apr 26 20:02:34 where? where? is he gone yet? Apr 26 20:03:59 yes Apr 26 20:04:05 YOU KILLED HIM Apr 26 20:04:11 HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL Apr 26 20:04:13 OH GOD Apr 26 20:06:23 oh lawdylawdylawdy this website is actually doing what I want it to do atm Apr 26 20:06:30 namely, starting Apr 26 20:08:32 since i already had the whole thing d/l'd elsewhere, it seemed quicker to just go copy it over than figure out about the tools to get part.. Apr 26 20:08:35 or is it.... hmmmm..... Apr 26 20:09:04 what do i need to install to get the pre to show up as a modem/port in windows? Apr 26 20:10:24 If I have access to this variable in this page I will kiss someone Apr 26 20:15:38 Man, design blogs are pretty awful. So many of them just echo content posted elsewhere like some kind of... Blogosphere echo chamber. :Q Apr 26 20:15:53 echo... echo... echo.... Apr 26 20:17:30 I like the lenovo one, it's a bit different Apr 26 20:19:11 Loudergood: Lenovo has a design blog? Apr 26 20:19:18 yup Apr 26 20:19:29 consists of saying "square black laptops rock" Apr 26 20:19:30 :p Apr 26 20:19:33 http://www.lenovoblogs.com/ Apr 26 20:19:35 haha Apr 26 20:19:47 and that's squard black laptops with red dots Apr 26 20:19:54 oil: I started the webOS doctor, it installed novacom, but didn't seem to take care of the missing "Palm" driver Apr 26 20:19:55 *square Apr 26 20:22:30 ajay: OS? Apr 26 20:22:47 and 32 or 64? Apr 26 20:24:03 XP32-bit Apr 26 20:24:10 oh weird Apr 26 20:25:15 man this blog is awesome, Loudergood Apr 26 20:25:45 square laptops? hmm.. Apr 26 20:26:04 * Loudergood <3s his black angular beauty Apr 26 20:26:06 waayyyy to much silverlight going on right now Apr 26 20:26:10 i'm trying to figure out the (virtual?) com port the pre is on, but i take it that w/o a driver it isn't on any Apr 26 20:26:12 (although I still think that Thinkpads are pretty ugly!) Apr 26 20:31:25 hrmm.. Apr 26 20:32:43 shouldn't the bypass activation (devicetool.jar) work on a pre2? (vz) Apr 26 20:33:51 ignore that Apr 26 20:39:36 wow sony... wow... Apr 26 20:39:46 tablet? Apr 26 20:39:52 psn update Apr 26 20:39:53 psn Apr 26 20:40:09 i heard they're building it all in minecraft.. ;^) Apr 26 20:40:24 Disaster: Playstation Network User Data Compromised, Names, Addresses, Maybe Credit Cards Apr 26 20:40:37 s/build/rebuild Apr 26 20:42:07 all because somebody had a crush on a player? jk.. Apr 26 20:42:48 swisstomcat: Worst thing is, I do have an account, but can't remember what password I used, and I can't log in to check Apr 26 20:43:17 ah farts, Adora left :B Apr 26 20:43:21 Email, FB and Twitter are secure though, so meh Apr 26 20:44:07 * Hendikins ponders acquisition options for a Pre2 since one was not found in Honolulu. Apr 26 20:45:39 i'm starting to come around to the 'why pay for a pre2' camp.. Apr 26 20:45:51 ah farts Apr 26 20:46:22 I'm in the "I feel like swapping my existing no-paid-apps device for one with paid app access" camp, and with the AUD as high as it is... Apr 26 20:46:24 ah crap i need to telnet into my phone too..;^) Apr 26 20:46:58 I could buy 3 Pre2 devices for what they charge for the top of the line Apple device here, so *shrug* Apr 26 20:47:10 Hendikins: define 'high,' does that mean your exchange rate is favorable to ours? or do you mean that even though it isn't you're still willing? Apr 26 20:47:16 3? wow! Apr 26 20:47:19 that's ridic Apr 26 20:47:30 are the GSM bands the same in Oz as what ATT uses here? Apr 26 20:47:33 (For 3g i mean0 Apr 26 20:47:35 Well, certainly 2 with a packet of change. Apr 26 20:47:40 wait, what do you consider the "top of the line" Apple device Apr 26 20:47:47 there's quite a few devices! Apr 26 20:47:47 Telstra uses the same band as GSM. Apr 26 20:47:52 imac! Apr 26 20:48:20 Hendikins: woa, do the different gsm carriers in Oz use diff 3g frequencies? that sux.. Apr 26 20:48:32 er, as AT&T Apr 26 20:48:46 ajay: Telstra uses 850/2100, Optus uses 900/2100, Vodafone uses all 3. Apr 26 20:48:54 Hendikins: I'll sell you a gsm pre2! Apr 26 20:49:08 ajay: fully loaded Mac Pro! :U Apr 26 20:49:26 are optus and telstra Australian companies? Is one of them gov't? Vodafone.. that's.. french? british? british.. Apr 26 20:49:27 And I stand corrected, the 32GB iPhone Flaw has dropped to 1000AUD Apr 26 20:49:49 that sounds costy.. let's see .. Apr 26 20:50:04 (About 1077USD) Apr 26 20:51:40 Whereas the retail price of 450USD for a Pre2 is ~417AUD. So it is nearly 2.5 Pre2s I could buy for the price of the 32GB iPhone 4. Apr 26 20:52:00 Hendikins: you should buy 3 and sell them as iPhones.. :) Apr 26 20:52:28 cool, dev phones carry the limited 1yr warranty Apr 26 20:53:10 ajay: And by high, I mean the AUD is nearly 1.08USD at the moment - I'm used to it being 0.70USD or less. Apr 26 20:53:21 Hendikins: I think that's what it was when i was there, yeah.. Apr 26 20:53:44 i always screw up my numbers.. high means.. good for you, not us, if i'm not mistaken? Apr 26 20:53:45 what's up? Apr 26 20:56:12 ajay: The higher the better when I want to import gadgets from the US. Apr 26 20:56:56 that's what i thought, yeah.. you should import a lot.. ;^) Isn't there an import tax/tariff? too bad you couldn't get the phones when you were here.. Apr 26 20:57:13 I haven't been over there. It was the parents who were there. Apr 26 21:03:55 aah.. Apr 26 21:03:59 So... I'll do some pondering of options. Two part plan - replace my no paid apps Pre2 with one with paid app access (then ditch either the Pre+ or existing Pre2), then bide my time until the Pre3/Veer are out and ditch the other one. Apr 26 21:04:33 oh you have a pre2! That's weird that the directions require an unactivated pre2 to be able to fake appcat access.. Apr 26 21:04:58 It isn't weird, because that is a one shot only thing. Apr 26 21:05:12 i just don't see why it would be one shot.. Apr 26 21:05:45 i thought that appcat access was on a per-profile basis, but.. oh but it's not, it's based on when you first activate the device huh? hrmm.. Apr 26 21:05:58 When you initially activate the device, the state is stored and tied to the device. Permanently. Apr 26 21:06:01 so if you could 'change' the device, that should work Apr 26 21:06:10 nothing is permanent;) Apr 26 21:06:14 Changing the device, or even the comms board, works. Apr 26 21:06:36 so if you change the comm board in s/w, that would also work Apr 26 21:06:53 For some reason I doubt that. Apr 26 21:07:33 i have faith that all is possible.. Apr 26 21:07:35 good luck Apr 26 21:07:45 I think there has been some group of hackers working on this for a while Apr 26 21:07:52 Do you not think that if this was possible it would have happened by now? Apr 26 21:07:53 their name escapes me... Apr 26 21:08:06 webOS i-somethingorother Apr 26 21:08:44 ajay: With matters like this, I pretty much take Rod's word without question. The bloke knows what he's on about. Apr 26 21:08:46 Hendikins: well the impostah ability to even fake paid ac access just happened, right? so, no.. i don't think it woulda Apr 26 21:09:03 Hendikins: good plan Apr 26 21:10:21 so you figured out that it's tied to the comm board. the question becomes, what about the comm board? The IMEI? Where is the serial no stored? Apr 26 21:10:42 ajay: I don't know, maybe you should ask these kinds of questions in #webos-internals Apr 26 21:10:50 indeed.. Apr 26 21:11:12 ajay: Even if you did manage to spoof that data and do a new activation, you'd have to spoof it every time you wanted to install an app. I can't see that not leading to trouble. Apr 26 21:12:20 And if they've got a list of valid IMEI and serial numbers server-side, you can't really just generate them without further problems. Apr 26 21:12:25 Hendikins: unless you didn't just do a 1-time spoof Apr 26 21:13:39 Hendikins: so maybe shopping for a damaged gsm pre2 would be the way to go.. cheaper, and you could choose to pursue either method Apr 26 21:13:59 ajay: I'm, not a dev. I just want something that works. Apr 26 21:14:17 (And for the record, IMEI spoofing carries a 2 year prison sentence here) Apr 26 21:14:48 fair enough.. oh woa i didn't even realize, Palm doesn't sell/market in Oz? damn.. Apr 26 21:14:51 woa! Apr 26 21:15:18 If the device was sold here in the first place, I wouldn't have any of these concerns to begin with. Apr 26 21:15:37 Although I'd say Rod would still be doing what he does. Apr 26 21:16:13 * Hendikins has much respect for hackers (in the proper sense of the word) Apr 26 21:16:45 http://www.palm.com/au/ look what they're still introducing ;) Apr 26 21:17:19 Hendikins: exactly, i just didn't process until right now that webOS devices weren't avail there.. which makes it all the more impressive that you and Rod are with us! Apr 26 21:17:29 Loudergood: i heard about this from a palm employee the other day. eek! Apr 26 21:18:10 ajay: I'm just a user. The kudos go to Rod, not myself. Apr 26 21:18:49 NuttyBunny: device type? like pre/pre+/pre2? if a comm board swap allows you to be considered a new device, then maybe it's on imei+sn Apr 26 21:18:54 What does interest me is that I find people recognise the device here, in spite of the fact it has never been sold here. Apr 26 21:18:54 oops wrong channel.. Apr 26 21:19:16 ajay: Comms board swap isn't considered a new device. The comms board is the device for that purpose. Apr 26 21:19:49 So if you went down that path, it would have to either be a board from a phone with paid apps access or a virgin board. Apr 26 21:20:00 Hendikins: you misunderstand me. Props to you for using an unsupported device. I don't know if i'd go with a company's phones if they weren't available in my country Apr 26 21:20:21 ajay: Device type, Pre US, Pre EU, Pre Sprint, etc... and IMEI/ESN Apr 26 21:20:40 Hendikins: so it's probably tied just to the imei.. i wonder if you could ask palm "pretty please" remove your imei from their database of activated phones Apr 26 21:20:44 IMEI is on the comms board Apr 26 21:20:53 Palm will not remove your IMEI Apr 26 21:21:07 ajay: Folks like webos-internals are why unsupported is a challenge not something that scares me :P Apr 26 21:21:08 maybe with "pretty pretty please"? Apr 26 21:21:51 ajay: nope, not even if you get to have a private conversation with the right person Apr 26 21:21:59 And I'm getting a few "Wow, is that a Palm Pre? I've never seen one of them before..." Apr 26 21:22:21 Hendikins: I've gotten that from visitors from Italy, etc.. Apr 26 21:22:40 ajay: I'm getting it in Australia, from Australians. Apr 26 21:22:58 rwhitby: Well, i guess if they remove/fix that georestriction issue as they seem to promise this whole thing would be moot, but still.. damn! Apr 26 21:23:03 Even got it yesterday at work. Apr 26 21:23:24 * Hendikins has no faith that the situation will be dealt with. Apr 26 21:23:40 rwhitby: lucky for you that you got to activate your newest device(s) when you were here then i guess.. Apr 26 21:23:54 it'll get dealt with, just in a time frame that will make it next to useless is my bet Apr 26 21:23:56 Hendikins: makes sense, i haven't left the country with my phone.. (nor would i, as its cdma.. :) Apr 26 21:24:11 Ugh, CDMA. Apr 26 21:24:19 we've got quite the bundle of optimists in the channel atm.. ;^) Apr 26 21:24:25 ajay: my main phone was purchased in Switzerland, shipped to Ireland, hand-carried to the US, activated, shipped to Australia. Apr 26 21:24:34 Hendikins: the us (and canada?) cell mkts suck. eh. Apr 26 21:24:36 I've left the country with my phone..! 'course, data goes out the window pretty quick Apr 26 21:24:42 rwhitby: holy crap batman! Apr 26 21:25:15 SineOt: If I did that, I'd be tempted to get an unlocked mifi-style device then switch cellular data off on the Pre. Apr 26 21:25:33 ajay: and now the right hand side of the keyboard is starting to get dodgy, so I'm going to need to do a keyboard swap on it. Apr 26 21:25:59 in most cases, I'd just leave the phone at home and use Google Voice to handle everything over the internet with texts and stuff Apr 26 21:26:15 because the roaming costs get kind of redonk Apr 26 21:26:36 I have very little voice/text traffic, so I could handle roaming without data. Apr 26 21:26:38 SineOt: Yeah if i took my phone out of the country i'd get it on another carrier.. (which is where sim cards are useful :) Apr 26 21:29:18 rwhitby: Well... if I can get another 2 here easily enough, you can cannibalise my plus if you want extra parts. Apr 26 21:29:35 Hendikins: I have plenty of parts, thanks. Apr 26 21:30:04 Heh, I shouldn't have doubted that for a second. Apr 26 21:32:08 * ajay is possibly missing it, but really doesn't see the windows sdk/pdk download link on palm's site.. Apr 26 21:34:20 hm, don't see the mac link either. sloppy palm, sloppy Apr 26 21:34:35 oops, ignore that. :) Apr 26 21:35:36 * ajay hopes the pre3 has more codec support in kernel.. Apr 26 21:37:18 codec support for what, exactly? Apr 26 21:37:30 Hendikins: the only reason I haven't done it yet is that I'm on holidays on the other side of the country, and away from my Pre repair tools Apr 26 21:38:30 * Hendikins nods... speaking of holidays, he's got 3 days off. Should piss off out of Sydney. Apr 26 21:41:47 SineOt: some more video and audio codecs Apr 26 21:46:46 Touchpad has FCC stuff embedded in a little internal door :I noooooooooooo HP Apr 26 21:47:13 SineOt: it's the back of the sim card holder Apr 26 21:47:21 I hope so Apr 26 21:47:28 makes perfect sense to put it there Apr 26 21:47:31 the door on the Slate doesn't exactly fill me with hope Apr 26 21:48:08 you seen the door on the slate, rwhitby? Apr 26 21:50:33 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/2010-10-19hpslatehands-10.jpg < just look at that thing :< Apr 26 21:58:46 what's the problem with that? Apr 26 22:16:49 dkirker-pre hey! and uh, bye all.. (fo nw?) Apr 26 22:23:48 hay dkirker-pre Apr 26 22:30:10 "and attached door cannot be removed from the device." Wanna bet? Apr 26 22:30:56 what? lol Apr 26 22:31:42 if I leave, my phone decided to boot.. lol Apr 26 22:32:43 brb Apr 26 22:35:00 It would appear that if I develop an Enyo app, I can't run it on a Pre2, am I mistaken? Apr 26 22:35:16 IOW, must I wait for a Veer, Pre3? Apr 26 22:38:25 kfife: While the webOS 3.x SDK is currently under NDA, it would appear from published reports that you are correct. And even the Veer and Pre3 may not run webOS 3.x...so you may have to wait for the Touchpad. Apr 26 22:41:42 haeffb: I was under the impression that enyo apps would run on certain 2.x releases, namely those shipping on the Veer, Pre3, but not on pre2 running 2.0.1. Apr 26 22:41:47 Man, if that keyboard less Pre3 slate device ends up on Sprint in August, that's pretty killer. Apr 26 22:42:17 haeffb: sounds like you're saying only webos 3.x Apr 26 22:42:23 I don't think Enyo will run on any of the slated 2.x releases… I know they've stated that they plan to bring the phones up to 3.x at some point down the line Apr 26 22:42:34 Cr@p. Apr 26 22:42:42 I Apr 26 22:42:47 buuuuut, it will get there. Just not in the shipping devices, I don't think Apr 26 22:47:23 SineOt: Thanks. I'm itchin' to develop a new app, but don't want to knowingly do so on a legacy framework. If I could run it on Pre2's and newer that'd be good enough for me. Apr 26 22:47:48 ...or even on the Veer when it ships in a few weeks. Apr 26 22:47:56 from my understanding, the Pre2s and newer will at some point get an update that brings Enyo to them Apr 26 22:48:20 What do you know about the veer. will it run enyo apps? Or will it have to wait until 'summer' :-) Apr 26 22:48:20 it seems dumb to design a framework that adjusts based on resolution, and then only ship it on a device with one resolution, don't you think? ;D Apr 26 22:48:34 LOL Apr 26 22:48:38 at launch, it won't, it'll have to "wait until Summer" from my understanding Apr 26 22:49:02 SineOt: "in the coming months" Apr 26 22:49:08 I can't wait until summer. Apr 26 22:51:33 I suspect RIM and HP are goign to be fighting over the same customers. I suspect many ios users may consciously or subconsciously care more about 'zero learning curve' than the efficiency that webos offers. Apr 26 22:52:32 I dunno, "zero learning curve" is basically how I'd describe iOS -> webOS Apr 26 22:53:22 really? are they that similar? Apr 26 22:53:30 I've never looked at the iOS SDK Apr 26 22:53:56 kfife mentioned users, so I'm going off an end user point of view, not developer :p Apr 26 22:54:10 oh Apr 26 22:54:16 misunderstood Apr 26 23:09:11 turns out that I enjoy drinking beer and making chili more than coding. No app progress tonight! Apr 26 23:09:28 haeffb: hah, who doesn't? Apr 26 23:10:45 hmmm...good point. How do the rest of you resist? Apr 26 23:11:22 haeffb: I don't do very well at that Apr 26 23:11:24 I have absolutely no money, primarily Apr 26 23:12:44 haha. My problem is too much spare cash?!?!?!? :) Apr 26 23:16:12 re Apr 26 23:24:23 haeffb: I can help you with that problem Apr 26 23:25:33 when we moving to Sunnyvale? Apr 26 23:25:54 man, I am being as patient as I can be Apr 26 23:25:59 but it is KILLING ME Apr 26 23:27:03 sugardave: so they're telling you "in the coming months" ? Apr 26 23:27:40 Loudergood: I wish...not even that much yet :) Apr 26 23:47:27 Well I'll be. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280662543016#ht_621wt_1141 :I Apr 26 23:50:28 * haeffb needs a new name for my LLC Apr 26 23:50:43 CLL LLC Apr 26 23:51:10 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to find where DB8 is stored Apr 26 23:51:30 DB8 is stored in the cloud Apr 26 23:51:45 hrmm... well then... Apr 26 23:51:59 and also on device Apr 26 23:52:06 PatrickC_Pre2, DB8 isn't something you'd "patch" Apr 26 23:52:11 somewhere Apr 26 23:52:18 Ragingmind: why not? Apr 26 23:52:40 it's a database Apr 26 23:52:51 I'm wanting to change what Just Type launches when you click on something like "Open URL" Apr 26 23:52:58 could DB8 be used as a message passing interface between devices? do apps using it get callbacks when something changes? Apr 26 23:53:02 use database tools and alter the entries Apr 26 23:53:03 I want it to launch Universe, not the stock browser... Apr 26 23:53:25 RagingMind: I have to find it first :) Apr 26 23:54:19 use database tools like imposta and browse it like Rod suggested Apr 26 23:54:43 I was trying Apr 26 23:54:52 still are Apr 26 23:54:57 but idk what to look for in Impostah Apr 26 23:55:02 I still am too :) Apr 26 23:58:17 PatrickC_Pre2, you could probably patch in a separate button or change the function of the button with a patch if you find the files that draw the just type screen, but if it's a part of the new "native" launcher then it's not gonna be patchable Apr 26 23:58:53 and you'll have to use other methods to somehow register universe as the app to open Apr 27 00:00:14 you could try looking at some of the old 1.4.5 universal search patches to see of those files exist on 2.x Apr 27 00:00:17 hrmm.. this'll take some time then... :/ Apr 27 00:00:43 srry Apr 27 00:00:48 ChickFilA wifi lol Apr 27 00:00:56 I will, never even thought of that Apr 27 00:14:05 Universe is the *ultimate* web browser <3 Apr 27 00:14:34 so.. wtf sony Apr 27 00:14:46 PSN still down? Apr 27 00:15:01 http://go.ign.com/gX3Nqd Apr 27 00:15:06 PatrickC_Pre2: and your CC info has been leaked Apr 27 00:15:25 CC info? Apr 27 00:16:26 PatrickC_Pre2: he's working on that.. i thought he had a way to make it default actually Apr 27 00:16:44 ajay: for Universe? Apr 27 00:16:50 yeah Apr 27 00:17:00 I'm part of the beta team :) Apr 27 00:17:27 and you can make it default, but when Just Type launches the browser, it doesn't launch the default browser Apr 27 00:17:28 i hope i put it in all the deets right.. ;^) Apr 27 00:18:03 PatrickC_Pre2: oh.. oops.. Apr 27 00:18:18 it does it by appid afaik Apr 27 00:18:50 maybe you can just overwrite the default browser w/ universe? ;^) Apr 27 00:20:00 it already does that afaik :) Apr 27 00:20:06 I suspect you'd have to look at the url handler Apr 27 00:20:09 I wonder... Apr 27 00:20:45 I wonder too... lol Apr 27 00:21:52 so update-alternatives is installed on the pre2... Apr 27 00:22:48 what? Apr 27 00:35:14 * ajay loves the droid ad that comes up when i hit precentral.. arg.. Apr 27 00:35:55 :/ Apr 27 00:40:01 RUMOR: New HP phone coming to Sprint this August as a 6-month exclusive @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/04/rumor-new-hp-phone-coming-to-sprint-this-august-as-a-6-month-exclusive/ Apr 27 00:40:30 known Apr 27 00:41:08 just saw it Apr 27 00:56:15 i really wish photobucket would figure out why their damn site is so resource intensive.. freaking thing just broke firefox Apr 27 00:56:35 wow... Apr 27 00:56:52 lol Apr 27 00:57:06 i wish they'd give more notice for the palmcasts! eh.. ;^) Apr 27 00:57:09 zunes site breaks chrome Apr 27 01:18:09 ta! Apr 27 02:03:31 so, my pre+ wiped itself, and in the process of reinstalling apps I notice several are no longer available... including ones I paid for (like skyorb) Apr 27 02:05:16 is there some magical way to reinstall such apps, or get my monies back? Apr 27 02:05:56 I assume there aren't ipk repositories of old versions of paid apps Apr 27 02:06:24 why would you need that? Apr 27 02:06:50 doctoring wipes apps, on restore, apps that have been pulled won't restore Apr 27 02:07:01 there's really nothing you can do Apr 27 02:07:25 * PatrickC_Pre2 must have came in late... Apr 27 02:07:35 seems a bit evil to me Apr 27 02:08:00 eh, but that's business. Palm/HP isn't in charge of the people who make apps and if they pull them or not Apr 27 02:11:25 * sugardave thought the policy was that even if apps have been removed from the catalog, people that paid for those apps could still get them. Apr 27 02:11:34 I guess that is changed/incorrect? Apr 27 02:11:56 guess so Apr 27 02:12:08 that's a bit fucked. Apr 27 02:12:13 the 1password app got pulled by the dev, and I haven't been able to get it back after restoring Apr 27 02:12:37 eh, really, what else should they do? if a dev wants to remove an app, Palm should keep it and continue hosting it? Apr 27 02:13:00 mebe Apr 27 02:13:23 it's not like they can't keep track of who it was sold to Apr 27 02:13:27 so hpalm, being the publisher, storefront, and creator of code that accidentally wipes products from my device.... doesn't have a form I can fill out to get my monies back? Apr 27 02:13:53 I would complain to support Apr 27 02:14:02 doubt they'll do anything though Apr 27 02:14:11 might make you feel better Apr 27 02:14:12 and it's not really worth fighting a bunch of few dollar apps Apr 27 02:14:15 or start up a storm on twitter Apr 27 02:14:57 another question: is there a way to get a list of all apps i've bought? Apr 27 02:15:14 @sugardave it depends on the wishes of the developer whether it's still available or not (e.g. ePocrates, Free ringtones) Apr 27 02:15:18 but if the developer stopped supporting it, keeping a broke/dead app available is just gonna cause trouble Apr 27 02:15:32 plus if it breaks due to os changes, why keep it available Apr 27 02:15:47 krushia: write each one down when you buy it is one way. Apr 27 02:15:51 be mad at the developer for giving up Apr 27 02:16:07 he's the one that ran off with your money Apr 27 02:16:22 @krushia, there's currently not a way to get this list (sadly, I asked a year ago for it happily it maybe coming with webos profile 3 Apr 27 02:16:42 I have the emailed receipts thankfully Apr 27 02:17:30 but one would think the app catalog would have some feature to list them Apr 27 02:17:44 yeah, there's just no way to export them really Apr 27 02:17:50 HP neither creates nor pubishs the apps they are just the store for those devs Apr 27 02:18:03 SineOt, homebrew Apr 27 02:18:22 doesnt save&restore keep a list of installed apps (even ones not compatible w/ save&restor) Apr 27 02:18:32 oh, yeah. Preware does Apr 27 02:18:47 but you have to back that data up ;p Apr 27 02:18:53 NergalJAF: they indeed publish the apps. they download from hpalms servers, correct? Apr 27 02:18:59 preware does but it won't keep a running tally of what you've gotten Apr 27 02:19:16 krushia_: even then it can be hard to call that publishing Apr 27 02:19:37 +1 @sineot Apr 27 02:19:40 Valve doesn't publish/isn't the publisher of every game that releases on Steam Apr 27 02:20:22 eMusic/iTunes is not the publisher of the mp3s they host & encode Apr 27 02:20:34 also... I just searched for skyorb and found a listing on precentral that says it requires webos 2. so maybe it is still in the app catalog but not for my 1.4.5 anymore Apr 27 02:20:48 if anything, Palm/HP would be the distributor and more akin to a brick and mortar store like a Best Buy or something Apr 27 02:21:14 http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/26/clarifying-a-few-psn-points/ Apr 27 02:21:17 lol.. fail Apr 27 02:22:29 HP/Palm absolutely publishes my apps. Apr 27 02:22:30 @krusia checking on that now (re: 2.0) i'd say email the dev & ask for the 1.4.5 compatible version Apr 27 02:22:43 I submit, they publish in the catalog Apr 27 02:23:00 dawm: am I wrong in wanting to blame Sony for all this? they sure put a big target on their back over the whole Geohot thing... Apr 27 02:23:17 its their fault Apr 27 02:23:28 data was stored plaintext from what i hear Apr 27 02:23:39 blame them for that Apr 27 02:23:43 @haeffb they list them in the catalog (we just say publish) in you dev contract does it specifically name HP or Palm as "Publisher" Apr 27 02:24:22 i dont blame them for wanting to stop pirates, but i blame them for being so stupid to think they were so secure to store stuff unencrypted Apr 27 02:24:48 you already know there's gonna be a class action suit about this Apr 27 02:24:55 dawm: yeah, it sucks...I gotta get a new cc now Apr 27 02:24:57 I blame them for going entirely ham fisted and idiotic with wanting to stop pirates Apr 27 02:25:06 @krusia firing up my plus right now. what country are you activated in? Apr 27 02:25:09 and class action is going to net me...$5 PSN card Apr 27 02:25:51 im lucky that i have no money for them to take ;p Apr 27 02:26:02 NergalJAF: usa Apr 27 02:26:14 so wait according to @sugardave if you sue PSN then they give free tickets to buy their virtual stuff. Apr 27 02:26:24 lucky my psn password differs from email Apr 27 02:26:29 @krushia att or vzw? Apr 27 02:26:33 att Apr 27 02:26:46 yeah, like how as thanks for the PSN being down, they've offered an extra 3 months of Plus if you upgrade! Apr 27 02:26:47 NergalJAF: no, I am assuming a very low monetary value IF there is ever a class action suit against them Apr 27 02:26:49 my psn password... I have no idea what it is Apr 27 02:26:50 im getting sick of having to change my passwords cause of these stupid companies Apr 27 02:26:55 Pre+ battery sooooooo low can't boot yet Apr 27 02:27:37 lulz... ipad 2 Apr 27 02:27:55 in my class Apr 27 02:28:05 the white one is kind of weird looking @_@ Apr 27 02:28:12 ya Apr 27 02:28:23 it just doesn't quite look… right Apr 27 02:29:01 ya Apr 27 02:29:19 * halfhalo wants hp email right now Apr 27 02:29:44 the white iPad 2 looks like a KIRF attempt at a white iPad 2 Apr 27 02:29:44 @krushia have you filed a tech support with skyorb dev http://is.gd/Wyc8Q5 (still waiting on boot of pre+ battery very dead) Apr 27 02:30:20 @sugardave yeah that's why I don't ever involve myself in case action suits Apr 27 02:31:06 w@nnt internship.... Apr 27 02:31:14 NergalJAF: no, haven't been to a real computer yet. i'm just on my phone, passing time trying to reinstall things Apr 27 02:33:25 @krusia you should be able to do that one via webos (doctoring sucks I understand ;) i've finally been able to cut it down to about 1 hour to fully restore everything) Apr 27 02:33:45 zzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1.4.5 sooo slow on luna booting :P Apr 27 02:36:33 yup @krushia it is webos 2.x only contact them & have them post the 1.4.5 on webfeed or maybe send you a copy Apr 27 02:37:59 @krushia_ why are you signed in twice (also as @krushia ) Apr 27 02:38:25 this is irc man.. Apr 27 02:38:32 @ is for twitter/facebook Apr 27 02:39:01 lol Apr 27 02:39:25 a'ight I apologize I was under the impression @ originate in irc I apologize (sheesh :P ) Apr 27 02:39:32 it did Apr 27 02:39:41 as a symbol of channel operator Apr 27 02:40:11 *originated Apr 27 02:40:19 but i believe the idea came from an email address Apr 27 02:40:21 with @ meaning at Apr 27 02:40:36 @NergalJAF = at NergalJAF Apr 27 02:41:17 ah now I know (& knowing is half the battle, but seriously thanks I appreicate the knowledge) Apr 27 02:41:54 just saving you keystrokes :P Apr 27 02:49:34 plus, irssi doesn't highlight my name if you do @sugardave Apr 27 02:49:38 so I might miss something awesome Apr 27 02:51:50 lol not from me :P Apr 27 02:53:20 the other krushia is me logged in from an ancient cyrix 686 based computer that, unlike other gizmos, doesn't implode at random **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 27 02:59:58 2011