**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 27 02:59:58 2011 Apr 27 03:10:03 imploding is fun! Apr 27 03:29:01 Anybody know Qt? Apr 27 03:30:11 just received work, one of my friends has been missing sense this morning... Apr 27 03:30:18 word* Apr 27 03:36:05 so please pray Apr 27 03:48:00 I'm off to bed Apr 27 03:48:02 night all Apr 27 04:50:34 its barely playable but it now removes matches and adds scores plus changes levels ;D Apr 27 04:57:24 1426 was my score for the first time being played (with scoring) :D works as it should Apr 27 05:32:20 http://humorpix.com/images/faf1268fb6a8acbe76be36f809101e61/Michael_Jordan_is_So_Rich0-size-600x0.jpg Apr 27 05:40:32 morning Apr 27 05:41:22 hahah thats great Apr 27 05:45:12 ping dkirker Apr 27 05:50:48 hi swisstomcat! Apr 27 05:52:19 hey dkirker .. chuq sent me an email Apr 27 05:52:51 hmm... I am going to PM you Apr 27 06:09:55 everyone should send puppies to chuqui and Adora! Apr 27 06:10:09 lulz Apr 27 06:10:35 no more puppies for chuq Apr 27 06:10:37 :) Apr 27 06:10:43 poopies then Apr 27 06:10:46 send poopies Apr 27 06:10:50 >_< Apr 27 06:11:22 >.< Apr 27 06:11:31 * dkirker is reminded of the Rugrats Apr 27 06:11:56 * dawm|laptop is reminded of how much he likes Brand New Apr 27 06:12:11 related: I ate approximately 1/3 lb of garlic today Apr 27 06:12:31 * swisstomcat sends a crate of cat puppies to adora Apr 27 06:12:35 according to the lil tub it came in Apr 27 06:12:35 I.... am not surprised in the least Apr 27 06:12:35 why would you do that Apr 27 06:12:43 dawm|laptop: I like garlic Apr 27 06:12:50 and working from home =] Apr 27 06:13:06 vampire phobia? Apr 27 06:13:27 * Adora pets her Kitten in swisstomcat's honor Apr 27 06:13:28 dawm|laptop: that's what the wooden stakes around the office are for :o Apr 27 06:13:37 Good morning Apr 27 06:13:42 morning hotdp Apr 27 06:14:06 http://www.flickr.com/photos/sophistechate/5612968156/in/photostream Apr 27 06:14:40 (yes, that photo was taken with a non-Palm device....stay calm....) Apr 27 06:14:54 so it was a HP device then Apr 27 06:15:15 psh, all the cool kids still call it palm Apr 27 06:15:18 'morning hotdp! Apr 27 06:15:21 old habits are hard to break Apr 27 06:15:39 especially when our dna is still so drastically different Apr 27 06:16:02 well, hell, the about page for palm.com does read: "Palm Global Business Unit" Apr 27 06:16:04 :D Apr 27 06:16:22 the Pig-boo! Apr 27 06:16:49 bbl Apr 27 06:21:34 dkirker: just published your metadata update Apr 27 06:25:17 Adora: thanks! I can push the other update through now. :D Apr 27 06:25:38 I could even get it out tonight if you hurry Apr 27 06:25:39 Adora: Do you know where in the area I can buy quality bean bag chairs? I think that I need one for my cube. :) Apr 27 06:25:45 * oil inquires about wirc ticket status :) Apr 27 06:26:04 oil: the clock's ticking Apr 27 06:26:10 lol Apr 27 06:26:25 I wouldn't expect it this week though Apr 27 06:26:45 the nerds are quite busy this week Apr 27 06:26:50 Adora: Looks like I need to wait on the computer gods to process the approval :/ Apr 27 06:27:20 * dkirker sacrifices a goat Apr 27 06:27:38 (protip: they prefer chickens) Apr 27 06:27:43 at least the ones around here do Apr 27 06:28:44 haha Apr 27 06:48:21 minions eat chickens? Apr 27 06:51:28 cluck cluck cluck Apr 27 06:51:33 Adora: new review for you. :D Apr 27 07:20:06 krushia_: if you remember the appid of the app, you can try installing it with Impostah Apr 27 07:40:39 ping adora Apr 27 07:40:55 pong! Apr 27 07:41:58 * Adora pongs again for the fun of it Apr 27 07:42:13 * rwhitby mitm's the syn|ack Apr 27 07:42:19 !!!!!! Apr 27 07:42:24 hahahahaha Apr 27 07:43:03 the pong will never reach swisstomcat now ... Apr 27 07:44:26 * rwhitby tears down the intercept Apr 27 07:48:43 adora: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=13038 Apr 27 07:49:12 might be something serious Apr 27 07:49:47 that does indeed look serious Apr 27 07:51:43 do you ever sleep? Apr 27 09:49:29 I do sleep...now. G'nite, all! Apr 27 09:56:47 about to watch my friend on jeopardy Apr 27 11:24:46 morning all Apr 27 11:25:23 Why is webos closed source? Apr 27 11:25:50 it isn't afaik Apr 27 11:26:14 http://opensource.palm.com/ Apr 27 11:26:40 heh Apr 27 11:31:11 * PatrickC_Pre2 is glad we didn't get hit by the many tornadoes around him Apr 27 11:32:01 Ahh locat! Apr 27 11:32:07 lolcat* Apr 27 11:32:11 The positiv person! Apr 27 11:32:24 positive* :) Apr 27 11:32:29 i am the postive person? Apr 27 11:32:57 lolcat: did you see my link? Apr 27 11:33:17 PatrickC_Pre2: I dont see how palm is related to webos Apr 27 11:33:32 really? Apr 27 11:33:43 Palm owns webOS (well, Palm/HP) Apr 27 11:33:53 And I want Maemo on my phone Apr 27 11:33:55 Apr 26 10:27:54 Is there any cool phones with webOS? Apr 27 11:33:56 it was Palm webOS (now HP webOS) Apr 27 11:33:59 But they stopped making those Apr 27 11:34:06 no they didnt.... Apr 27 11:34:15 go to http://palm.com Apr 27 11:34:21 Anyone else try https://www.palm.com/ and get a SSL warning about a248.e.akamai.net? Apr 27 11:34:41 PatrickC_Pre2: palm.com makes maemo devices? Apr 27 11:34:46 lordbah: I didn't Apr 27 11:34:57 no, they make palm/webOS devices Apr 27 11:35:09 I don't think I want a closed source phone Apr 27 11:35:15 What is webos based on? Apr 27 11:35:41 I am not going to answer till you look for your self Apr 27 11:36:21 I gave you a very good link that answers all of your questions.... Apr 27 11:36:42 Maemo is based on Debian, is webos based on debian? Apr 27 11:37:40 webOS is based on Linux, that's all I know Apr 27 11:39:03 embedded linux Apr 27 11:39:07 v8,webkit Apr 27 11:39:11 qt Apr 27 11:39:16 other stuff Apr 27 11:39:38 thx swisstomcat Apr 27 11:41:03 hey guys Apr 27 11:41:14 hay phoque_uni Apr 27 11:41:54 I just noticed Apr 27 11:42:05 I've invested 38 hours dev time in my app Apr 27 11:42:18 how'd you find that out? Apr 27 11:42:35 I write it down Apr 27 11:42:36 :-) Apr 27 11:43:00 and when I don't I consult my Git logs and try to estimate the time spent Apr 27 11:43:08 hehe Apr 27 11:43:37 what's now missing are two scenes, one of them a dashboard Apr 27 11:43:44 and some smartness in my model Apr 27 11:50:13 what's the app do? Apr 27 11:50:31 it fetches wind forecasts from www.windguru.cz Apr 27 11:50:52 shows them and alerts the user if there's a "good weekend" ahead Apr 27 11:51:28 I could have used that today :) Apr 27 11:51:33 we had tornadoes.. :/ Apr 27 11:51:48 s/had/had and still having/ Apr 27 11:51:54 it's more for sailing than for stormwarnings Apr 27 11:51:58 :-) Apr 27 11:52:14 ah ok, well, there isn't much sailing in TN :) Apr 27 11:52:50 dkirker: what's new in Universe? as in the update today? Apr 27 11:53:38 never experienced a tornado Apr 27 11:54:13 I haven't either, they were all around us, and didn't come near us Apr 27 11:54:20 * PatrickC_Pre2 Thank God!! Apr 27 11:56:49 j #webos Apr 27 11:57:13 /j webos Apr 27 11:57:35 hello Apr 27 11:57:42 morning Apr 27 11:58:15 pretty new to IRC, sorry for some weird behaviour Apr 27 11:59:05 its ok :) Apr 27 11:59:13 using wIRC? Apr 27 11:59:17 xchat Apr 27 11:59:27 ah ok Apr 27 11:59:43 PatrickC_Pre2 i think dkirker is sleeping Apr 27 11:59:51 wIRC is a must-have for IRC and webOS :) Apr 27 12:00:03 ah okay, starting preware right now Apr 27 12:00:05 hotdp: yeah, figured that :) Apr 27 12:01:00 I'm only up this early because of the storm :P Apr 27 12:01:17 can I post a question hear about a problem I'm having with my Pre right now? Apr 27 12:01:35 or should it be discussed on the webos internals channel? Apr 27 12:01:45 go ahead Apr 27 12:01:59 here or #webos-internals Apr 27 12:02:02 try here first :) Apr 27 12:02:37 it's something that has been reported already on precentral's forum Apr 27 12:02:45 but I haven't got a solution yet Apr 27 12:02:52 what's up? Apr 27 12:03:01 got a Pre minus with webOS 2.1 Apr 27 12:03:23 everything works except Facebook 1.5 (neither 1.5 nor 1.5 beta) Apr 27 12:03:40 got a error message while trying to log in: Apr 27 12:03:48 palmcall failure Apr 27 12:04:06 no clue, I have 4 2.1 devices, and don't get that on any Apr 27 12:05:00 yeah.. it's pretty strange I guess Apr 27 12:05:18 it says "unknown palmcall failure" http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280374-error-login-facebook-1-5-beta-unknown-palmcall-failure.html Apr 27 12:07:41 thanks anyway Apr 27 12:08:04 np.. Apr 27 12:38:19 meh Apr 27 12:38:22 I'm bored Apr 27 12:38:32 yet I don't want to work on my app Apr 27 12:39:13 hehe Apr 27 12:39:23 I need to work on the Android version of my app... Apr 27 12:39:44 but I don't feel like setting up the work environment yet :p Apr 27 12:48:07 hay Louder|pre Apr 27 12:48:44 Good morning Apr 27 12:49:09 did you have any heavy storms last night/this morning? Apr 27 12:49:30 Oh yes Apr 27 12:49:41 and damage? we had tons Apr 27 12:49:47 Many rivers are flooding around here Apr 27 12:50:03 same thing here... and tornadoes.. Apr 27 12:50:24 No real damage, the terrain is too 3D around here for tornadoes Apr 27 12:50:59 we are near the Crumberland Plateau (I think that's how you spell it :) ) Apr 27 12:51:13 and out by me, its really flat :/ Apr 27 12:51:35 and windy ( <40MPH) Apr 27 12:55:23 Ah, I'm way up in northeastern vermont, there was still snow in the mountains Apr 27 12:55:51 heh Apr 27 12:56:00 I'm just outside Nashville TN Apr 27 12:58:52 * PatrickC_Pre2 wants an EVO with webOS <3 Apr 27 13:00:26 that would be the ultimate phone Apr 27 13:00:43 Too slow ;) Apr 27 13:01:14 hehe, well, we would *need* an OC kernel ;) Apr 27 13:02:47 Also preware is telling me I have an update to universe, but the app catalog is saying "no you!" Apr 27 13:03:00 did you buy it? Apr 27 13:03:04 or get it via github? Apr 27 13:04:13 Purchased Apr 27 13:04:22 weird... Apr 27 13:04:35 Looks like app cat is down for me Apr 27 13:05:01 its down here too (after I try about 3-4 times, it works) Apr 27 13:06:23 * PatrickC_Pre2 wants a C-3Pre-O Apr 27 13:07:00 lol Apr 27 13:08:15 its a Droid, isn't it ;% Apr 27 13:08:20 ;) * Apr 27 13:32:20 man, if you want a job at Palm, get ready to move :/ if you aren't near Sunnyvale.. Apr 27 13:32:45 are you applying? Apr 27 13:33:08 my dad is looking for an Electrical Engineering job Apr 27 13:37:49 and we are a little far away from Sunnyvale :/ Apr 27 14:52:57 sunnyvale is cool if only due to right turn yeilds they have. Apr 27 15:10:22 I liked Sunnyvale Apr 27 15:12:38 its nice Apr 27 15:16:30 with sunny in it name, i assume its always too hot Apr 27 15:18:16 nope Apr 27 15:18:25 its sf, its cold up there Apr 27 15:23:19 it was pretty cool while I was there...I should have had a windbreaker or something Apr 27 15:23:24 hi sugardave Apr 27 15:23:40 hey hey Apr 27 15:31:39 PlayBook sold 50,000. That's a good sign for TouchPad. Apr 27 15:38:41 does webOS support MVC? Apr 27 15:40:07 model/view/controller? yeah Apr 27 15:40:22 cool Apr 27 15:40:23 thx Apr 27 15:40:34 that's how Mojo is designed Apr 27 15:41:35 lol Apr 27 15:41:44 sorta. 8) Apr 27 15:41:51 well, that was the intent Apr 27 15:41:54 it's pretty fast and loose Apr 27 15:41:55 8) Apr 27 15:42:00 indeed Apr 27 15:42:02 but that's not bad. it just is Apr 27 15:42:36 I'm looking at some google code that uses it Apr 27 15:42:52 some google code Apr 27 15:43:47 well, MVC is like a program design methodology Apr 27 15:43:51 http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/javascript/basics.html Apr 27 15:44:12 * halfhalo hearts mvc for most things Apr 27 15:45:30 PatrickC_Pre2: right, MVC is a very common design pattern for UI applications Apr 27 15:45:39 coot Apr 27 15:45:44 cool* Apr 27 15:45:51 that means it should work Apr 27 15:45:59 PatrickC_Pre2: what gets called MVC may or may not be "proper" MVC nowadays; approaches vary a lot. but, yeah. Apr 27 15:46:08 so-long CloudNav :) Apr 27 15:46:13 well, yeah, a lot of things *should* work 8D Apr 27 15:46:26 haha Apr 27 15:46:40 lol Apr 27 15:47:27 heh, when I first started mojo I just looked at it and went "what the fuuuuuu". and then it all clicked at once later on. Apr 27 15:47:51 I'm still waiting for it to click.. lol Apr 27 15:48:43 In mojo, you basically have really stupid views, really heavy controllers (the Assistants), and no models (at least enforced ones) Apr 27 15:49:43 well, I'm also still learning JS Apr 27 15:49:57 and I'm always happy to have good tutorials :) Apr 27 15:50:32 I think it's really, really useful to learn JS properly first, yeah Apr 27 15:50:51 heh Apr 27 15:50:53 eloquent javascript is good. Best allover book I think is JavaScript: The Definitive Guide Apr 27 15:51:17 nah, you laugh, but there are tons of folks who just kinda hack on JS but don't really understand the nature of the language Apr 27 15:51:21 not judging, just saying Apr 27 15:51:24 I did for a loooong time Apr 27 15:51:45 I have been just kinda copy/paste/see what it does/move on Apr 27 15:51:49 * halfhalo hearts js Apr 27 15:51:52 JavaScript Patterns is a reallty good book to move beyond the language fundamentals with Apr 27 15:51:58 I have Eloquint, I'll lookup the other Apr 27 15:52:17 * halfhalo is writing whole sites in it now Apr 27 15:52:20 there's a new edition of The Definitive Guide coming soon. been a while, but the older one is still really useful Apr 27 15:52:36 I found the older one as a PDF Apr 27 15:52:41 OH, and: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide Apr 27 15:52:51 that MDC guide is really good. I learned a ton Apr 27 15:53:03 TibFib keeps showing me that :) I need to read it Apr 27 15:53:21 the nice thing is that JS is actually a very small core language. Apr 27 15:53:30 the Definitive Guide has 666 pages :/ Apr 27 15:53:33 that's a lot :P Apr 27 15:53:40 yes, it's quite definitive Apr 27 15:53:49 lol Apr 27 15:54:02 I guess I would say this: it really really helps to learn JavaScript, the language, properly. outside of the browser or other environments Apr 27 15:54:14 should I do Eloquint, Definitive Guide, or MDC first? Apr 27 15:54:27 Eloquent JS is very good, and that MDC guide is good too. Apr 27 15:54:33 either one of those, I'd say Apr 27 15:54:49 ok, I'll start with Eloquint (since it has offline viewing) Apr 27 15:54:58 that too Apr 27 15:55:05 man, I need to come up with a name... Apr 27 15:55:11 I think I own both of those books... never read them tho Apr 27 15:56:13 * halfhalo went old school when starting js and had a for dummies book. and then learned while doing. Apr 27 15:56:23 lol Apr 27 15:56:29 * oil just hacks till it works Apr 27 15:56:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 just wants to join in on the /me 's Apr 27 15:56:52 I have eloquent js, just haven't read it yet Apr 27 15:57:32 I downloaded it a while ago, and haven't gotten to read it yet Apr 27 15:57:38 and I learned all my js from doing Mojo Apr 27 15:57:46 same here Apr 27 15:58:25 the only thing I knew coming into webOS development was simple HTML (like basic layout, br, links, and that's it) Apr 27 15:59:22 and here comes the rain :/ Apr 27 15:59:25 (again) Apr 27 15:59:35 * halfhalo knows html5.... well, its doctype anywho Apr 27 16:00:44 I can spell it Apr 27 16:01:25 facebook comment on a post on sprint's wall Apr 27 16:01:28 John wrote: "@Patrick, I'm with you. I will wait no longer than July for an a new WebOS offering on Sprint. I will have to weigh out my options on whether to stick with Sprint or not. I current have WebOS 2.1 running on my launch day Pre-, thanks to WebOS Apr 27 16:01:28 Internals. Let me say that Flash is nice, however the Pre- even overclocked it really suffers keeping up. The Pre+ is a little better using Flash. For the most part I really like the improvements in 2.1. I think Palm should release of 2.1 w\o Flash for l Apr 27 16:01:28 egacy devices. I have the Unlocked GSM Pre2 (dev unit), and it is a really nice phone, really fast, and Flash works great. If you do decide and try 2.1 on your Pre-, use a new Palm Profile. Also use the Preware Backup Utility, this will backup all you gam Apr 27 16:01:28 es and settings. " Apr 27 16:01:46 wow.. that's long :P didn't seem that long when looking at it lol Apr 27 16:03:14 heh Apr 27 16:03:35 take a look at all the comments on it :/ people bashing :( Apr 27 16:04:47 oh I can't be bothered to go to facebook for it Apr 27 16:04:49 but meh Apr 27 16:05:02 sucks, I know, but don't sign contracts if you have an issue with it Apr 27 16:05:20 yeah Apr 27 16:05:33 PatrickC_Pre2: There's an update description in the app cat. :) Apr 27 16:05:42 I saw it :) Apr 27 16:07:18 already downloaded it :) Apr 27 16:07:42 one reference contacted, glowing review given...wo Apr 27 16:07:46 s/wo/woo/ Apr 27 16:08:15 dkirker: hoping to hear news "soon" Apr 27 16:08:50 sugardave: great! Apr 27 16:08:57 * dkirker goes and showers Apr 27 16:09:18 sugardave: "in the coming months"? Apr 27 16:09:20 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks Apr 27 16:10:09 "" Apr 27 16:10:54 so true... http://pastebin.com/M9Scjrts Apr 27 16:11:06 hopefully more like "by the end of the week" but I'm not holding my breath ;) Apr 27 16:11:31 hehe Apr 27 16:11:35 morning mr.chuqui Apr 27 16:11:39 * dkirker hands chuqui a puppy! Apr 27 16:11:49 morning! Apr 27 16:11:55 puppy! Apr 27 16:12:11 speaking of puppys... halfhalo: how's yours? Apr 27 16:12:29 a crazy one Apr 27 16:12:36 better from the bite? Apr 27 16:24:01 good morning Apr 27 16:24:59 morniin Apr 27 16:25:33 Adora: i were able to reproduce the yellow sign of @rretsiem in the german cat. didn't get any answer on twitter. are you working on it? Apr 27 16:26:32 Adora: maybe helpful: i use preware in the meanwhile of last issue two weeks ago. Apr 27 16:28:23 hi NuttyBunny Apr 27 16:28:40 hey Apr 27 16:32:43 hm Apr 27 16:33:52 why i get this feeling that no one is interesting in the repeating issues of the german app cat? :( Apr 27 16:35:27 anyway, i'll have a appointment soon. l8ers Apr 27 16:39:03 Have you talked directly to Palm support? Apr 27 16:51:30 I'm having a REALLY hard time getting motivated today Apr 27 16:51:52 * NuttyBunny slaps sugardave Apr 27 16:52:02 * NuttyBunny feels exactly the same ;) Apr 27 16:52:21 time for work!! Apr 27 16:52:29 go go go! Apr 27 16:52:32 bye guys, see you on my Pre soon. :D Apr 27 16:52:39 ciao Apr 27 16:54:34 hola Apr 27 16:59:01 hola avarus Apr 27 17:32:24 lo chuqui Apr 27 17:32:39 leiru: german app catalog problems? Apr 27 17:32:45 yo Apr 27 17:47:28 well, tornadoes are gone, flooding has come :/ Apr 27 17:48:38 bad weather, huh? Apr 27 17:49:10 a little :p Apr 27 17:49:49 irish alike Apr 27 17:51:34 what? lol Apr 27 17:58:42 dkirker: you here? Apr 27 18:01:48 he said he would be joining us from his Pre at work, but maybe he is busy adding SVG into WebKit ;) Apr 27 18:02:18 ah ok :) Apr 27 18:13:51 Hi, is there a simple way to export contacts in webos2 yet? I used to use the send contacts via email patch before but I can't find anything similar for WebOS2 Apr 27 18:14:56 fbnts: sync to a service that lets you export? Apr 27 18:15:36 fbnts: have a google account set as your primary? Apr 27 18:16:14 I have a gmail account which is what I used to import my contacts. If I set it to primary will it copy my current contacts over to gmail? Apr 27 18:16:35 it *should* Apr 27 18:19:04 no, it won't P: Apr 27 18:19:10 primary only applies to new contacts Apr 27 18:19:19 existing contacts will stay where they are Apr 27 18:20:09 ah bugger - Is there any way to export from the db8 file? Apr 27 18:20:18 dunno Apr 27 18:20:38 can you send vcards from contacts in 2.x? Apr 27 18:22:05 You can send each contact individually by email but thats gonna take a /long/ while Apr 27 18:23:00 there probably IS a way to export from db8, but I haven't really played with it yet, so I can't help you Apr 27 18:24:08 the dataimport app I believe is the cellBright thing.. Apr 27 18:24:12 hmm, I will probably have to sit and compare my phone to my gmail account and just write down the new ones but thats still gonna take a while Apr 27 18:27:01 I really need to sanbox this [REDACTED] app. It keeps crashing on a back form Apr 27 18:30:03 heh Apr 27 18:35:12 hey lonestar Apr 27 18:44:54 1,750 dollars for... ANOTHER twitter app? Oh dear Apr 27 18:46:06 ohno Apr 27 18:46:20 Maybe I should start crowdsourcing apps :U Apr 27 18:46:24 yeah, I saw that...guess they're not taking the whole "don't make new Twitter clients" to heart Apr 27 18:51:45 IT NEEDS TO BE TOMORROW Apr 27 18:51:55 what does? lol Apr 27 18:51:59 now Apr 27 18:53:52 why? Apr 27 18:54:18 because...hoping for some good news Apr 27 18:55:00 good /palm/ related news? :) Apr 27 18:55:11 hoping so, yes Apr 27 18:55:56 was it a SWAT application? Apr 27 18:56:27 indeed Apr 27 18:56:35 cool Apr 27 19:04:49 does anyone here have blog links in their P|C signature? Apr 27 19:06:56 Pre2, that sounds like a cool app! Apr 27 19:07:19 what does? lol Apr 27 19:07:40 oh. wait. SWAT sounds like a special weapons app. Apr 27 19:07:50 I was thinking about a SWOT Apr 27 19:07:53 hahaha Apr 27 19:08:15 like a SWOT analysis app. Apr 27 19:08:34 hehe Apr 27 19:08:34 I'll add that to my possible app list. Apr 27 19:08:56 fairly simple to pull together. Apr 27 19:08:59 someone needs to make a decent gun app... the iPhone has tons :/ Apr 27 19:09:25 you know what we need? Apr 27 19:09:33 a Twitter app. Apr 27 19:09:40 I know, right? Apr 27 19:09:49 we need not shitty apps Apr 27 19:09:54 One that the community can help develop Apr 27 19:09:56 and a gun app? really? Apr 27 19:10:01 * sugardave fondly remembers Twipper, the tweeting tip calculator. Apr 27 19:10:13 Twip You Apr 27 19:10:15 need SNOOD Apr 27 19:10:28 anyway I'm a hater Apr 27 19:10:31 audi! Apr 27 19:10:35 later Apr 27 19:10:49 ahaha, the tweeting tip calculator. "I'm a shitty tipper, I only tipped 4% while @RestaurantName!" Apr 27 19:11:10 integrate it with foursquare/gowalla/facebook places, and you're good to go Apr 27 19:11:21 SineOt: there's a github for it Apr 27 19:11:24 hang on Apr 27 19:11:45 oh man, this is a real thing? :( Apr 27 19:11:59 https://github.com/Dremel/Twipper Apr 27 19:12:05 sort of, we never really did anything with it Apr 27 19:12:19 BMyers made the project back when the catalog first hit and we had LOTS of tip calculators Apr 27 19:13:09 no oauth support, etc. Apr 27 19:45:45 my friend was found!! Apr 27 19:46:01 with or without pants? Apr 27 19:46:25 sugardave: seriously.. she was missing for almost 48 hours :/ Apr 27 19:46:31 lame Apr 27 19:47:55 Evning gents Apr 27 19:48:30 just wait till college. going missing for days on end is a standard thing then Apr 27 19:49:15 hotdp: hi hi Apr 27 19:50:13 oh wow Apr 27 19:50:17 good to hear, PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 27 19:50:23 thanks Apr 27 20:03:17 PatrickC_Pre2: what happened to her?? Apr 27 20:03:32 I don't know, all I know is she was foun Apr 27 20:04:00 well good Apr 27 20:05:10 yeah.. Apr 27 20:06:22 50GB free online storage http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic Apr 27 20:15:06 have you tried it out PatrickC_Pre2 ? Apr 27 20:15:22 just signed up before I posted it Apr 27 20:17:25 ok, cos looking myself at something like this or Livedrive Apr 27 20:17:50 Livedrive? Apr 27 20:20:36 yes Apr 27 20:20:39 www.livedrive.com Apr 27 20:20:43 unlimited storage Apr 27 20:20:58 mate of mine told me about it Apr 27 20:21:04 its unlimited to new customers Apr 27 20:21:26 ultimately once they've filled up their existing storage they will quota it for new customers Apr 27 20:21:34 so get it now while you can sort of thing Apr 27 20:22:27 well, that's a pay-for service.. Apr 27 20:22:50 ah right yes sorry, just realised adrive is free :D Apr 27 20:22:57 and I have a friend who can give me unlimited space if I need :) he runs a hosting company Apr 27 20:23:14 adrive is free 50GB :) which is more then I need :) Apr 27 20:23:20 cool :) Apr 27 20:23:38 yep Apr 27 20:24:02 is adrive all web interface? Apr 27 20:24:13 if you need a website or webspace, let me know :) Apr 27 20:24:13 ftp nor the thick client are ticked Apr 27 20:24:21 i have both thanks :) Apr 27 20:24:38 I believe it is, but I'm only at my pre atm.. so idk Apr 27 20:24:48 k Apr 27 20:29:57 ftp works for free accounts? Apr 27 20:31:06 hi Apr 27 20:31:35 HELLO Apr 27 20:32:32 sugardave, it should be possible to open a new scene in a new card with createStageWithCallback - right? Apr 27 20:33:06 that seems reasonable Apr 27 20:33:15 keith: no it doesnt Apr 27 20:33:16 brb Apr 27 20:33:21 I'm embarrassed to say that I never did a multi-stage Mojo app Apr 27 20:33:23 goin outside where there's no wifi Apr 27 20:33:29 lame Apr 27 20:33:49 Fo me it does not worked :-( Apr 27 20:34:05 But maybe I'm just do something wrong Apr 27 20:34:09 Ponschi: I think there's a simple example on the webos101 wiki: http://www.webos101.com Apr 27 20:38:42 I'll try it, thx Apr 27 20:39:31 good luck Apr 27 20:40:57 goodnight everyone Apr 27 20:59:23 time to roll this popsicle stand Apr 27 21:04:07 rolling a Popsicle stand? that sounds sticky Apr 27 21:11:14 WOW now it works and it looks SO GREAT! Thx for you advice sugardave! Apr 27 21:13:10 hi Adora! Apr 27 21:14:24 hay dkirker-pre Apr 27 21:15:42 hey dkirker-pre, hey Adora Apr 27 21:16:02 Adora, do you know who made those pebble chairs at the Feb 9th thing? Apr 27 21:16:49 bb Apr 27 21:16:55 SineOt: aah shoot, I don't remember Apr 27 21:17:13 I don't know why but last night I was thinking about how comfy they were Apr 27 21:17:27 hay Adora Apr 27 21:17:44 wow, I feel very welcome today Apr 27 21:17:46 hi guys =] Apr 27 21:18:04 thats because we want stuff^H^H^H I mean, hi! Apr 27 21:18:21 ruh oh Apr 27 21:18:27 ok, out with it Apr 27 21:18:43 if by stuff you mean the company name that made pebble chairs then yes >:C Apr 27 21:18:43 where's my "6Month exclusive sprint phone" ;) Apr 27 21:20:12 cool beans, I crashed the dock :3 Apr 27 21:20:38 PatrickC_Pre2: "palm does not comment on speculation and rumors" Apr 27 21:20:44 heh Apr 27 21:20:47 morning Apr 27 21:20:53 mornin' rwhitby Apr 27 21:21:30 mmm... "where's my 2.1 for Pixi"? (see if she falls for that) Apr 27 21:21:40 howdy folks Apr 27 21:21:41 mornin rwhitby Apr 27 21:21:54 that's easy, NuttyBunny, it's in Vietnam :Q Apr 27 21:21:57 mornin rwhitby Apr 27 21:22:17 SineOt: Yeah, what a way to tease people ;) Apr 27 21:23:17 NuttyBunny: would you have it any other way? Apr 27 21:23:52 nah, that's fine with me ;) Apr 27 21:25:08 lol Apr 27 21:27:43 Argh, the Plus' battery is at 73% Apr 27 21:27:57 ah, no, that was the Pixi's one :) I switched them Apr 27 21:28:52 * NuttyBunny leaves AB alone and tries to Make a PreDroidPlus ;) Apr 27 21:29:09 no, its a C-3Pre-O Apr 27 21:29:22 no, this is a C3Pre+O Apr 27 21:29:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 is lost :P Apr 27 21:29:46 but.. there aren't the droids you're looking for ;) Apr 27 21:29:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 and watching this flooding storm... :/ Apr 27 21:29:58 hehe Apr 27 21:59:15 hi PatrickC_Pre2, SineOt Apr 27 21:59:47 hi rwhitby! Apr 27 22:00:18 hmm... autocomplete... autocomplete... Apr 27 22:00:34 auto wall! Apr 27 22:01:48 hmm... I really LOVE amigo's exhibition mode. But it needs two things: playlist support and playback when taking the Pre off of the touchstone Apr 27 22:01:57 I shall email the dev! Apr 27 22:11:04 RagingMind: sticky and fun! Apr 27 22:46:06 we meet again, haeffb_pre Apr 27 22:46:45 DUNDUNDUN..... Apr 27 22:48:10 man.. at least 3" of rain so far.. and more to come Apr 27 22:48:47 meh, not that bad Apr 27 22:49:04 one storm here had an inch an hour for about 6 hours Apr 27 22:49:12 there was slightly above minor flooding here today Apr 27 22:49:19 sounds like last may Apr 27 22:49:38 http://www.magic977.com/Lyndonville-Flood-Pics-April-27-2011/index.html Apr 27 22:49:57 we have major flooding.. the Crumberland River that runs through Nashville will probably reach 55' Apr 27 22:50:34 it's super-drought here, though....my yard is already dead Apr 27 22:50:55 heh... river... we don't have those here Apr 27 22:51:05 major highways were closed, but just barely Apr 27 22:52:01 we've had mudslides, and all kinda of junk... Apr 27 22:52:13 and major highways shutdown afaik Apr 27 22:52:22 heh, they are talking about PSN Apr 27 22:53:17 Loudergood: Time to go kayaking! Apr 27 22:53:21 there aren't many pictures yet for here Apr 27 22:53:22 Guys, anyone knows how to disable the framebuffer in recovery mode? :D Apr 27 22:53:37 framebuffer? Apr 27 22:53:40 um....no? Apr 27 22:53:51 maybe #webos-internals does ;) Apr 27 22:54:11 hmm... last time I had a mudslide it ended inthe pool. stupid fires Apr 27 22:54:24 and stupid 5 for closing during rain due to snow Apr 27 22:54:25 dohtem: actually the epoxy to repair my cracked wooden paddle also arrived today Apr 27 22:54:28 Loudergood: are they going to play aqua-ball at that field? damn Apr 27 22:54:47 sugardave: that field seems to flood every time it rains Apr 27 22:54:55 I don't know how they ever get it dry enough to use Apr 27 22:55:01 usually not that deep though Apr 27 22:55:57 PatrickC_Pre2: the only way destinal knows is to boot with volumeup+C, but that doesn't work in 2.1 Apr 27 22:56:15 we have >2' of water is some places :/ Apr 27 22:56:25 vol up+C? Apr 27 22:56:29 never heard of that.. Apr 27 22:57:11 hehehe... I learned it when I got my Plus... it didn't boot when I got it Apr 27 22:57:17 I had to doctor it Apr 27 22:57:43 then, doesn't just plain recovery mode fix it? Apr 27 22:58:59 balls deep Apr 27 22:59:17 what? Apr 27 22:59:22 lol Apr 27 22:59:23 BALLS DEEP Apr 27 22:59:43 lol Apr 27 22:59:45 meaning? lol Apr 27 22:59:57 I WANT text mode boot on my Plus! Apr 27 23:00:03 fuck wheres the scissors Apr 27 23:00:03 if you have to ask..! Apr 27 23:00:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 worries about dawm sometimes Apr 27 23:00:26 tear here my ass Apr 27 23:00:33 the things you miss being homeschooled ;) Apr 27 23:00:40 heh Apr 27 23:00:55 hey i dropped out Apr 27 23:01:08 lol Apr 27 23:01:08 then they sent me to DC for some leadership conference (2 from each state) Apr 27 23:01:28 then i dont recall what i did Apr 27 23:01:36 but i graduated on time ;p Apr 27 23:01:37 haha Apr 27 23:01:46 lol Apr 27 23:02:00 now thats messed up ;p Apr 27 23:02:01 it was dawn in the library with the candlestick! Apr 27 23:02:04 "A console is highly recommended as a method to see what actions the kernel is performing when initialising a system. This can be any input output device with a suitable driver, the most common cases are a video framebuffer driver or a serial driver. Systems that ARM Linux runs on tend to almost always provide a serial console port." I want my video framebuffer to display text Apr 27 23:02:21 nothing quite like a public high school... none of that fancy private or home school crap Apr 27 23:02:52 halfhalo: yeah, gangs and stuff :) Apr 27 23:03:00 i was shocked when i took half a semestar off and came back, ppl thought i had died Apr 27 23:03:05 and i thought i was invisible Apr 27 23:03:12 lol Apr 27 23:03:21 but i passed.. only completing half the year Apr 27 23:03:27 na.... no gangs.. well, yeah at my local school, but not hte one I went to Apr 27 23:03:33 shows why i didnt feel like going :P Apr 27 23:04:09 brb Apr 27 23:05:44 I need to do a study Apr 27 23:05:58 'Things you can post on Facebook, which people take the wrong way.' Apr 27 23:06:08 Everything Apr 27 23:06:11 i posted 'I'm not sure why I bother any more.' Apr 27 23:06:17 and all the comments are about suicide.. Apr 27 23:06:30 wow Apr 27 23:06:31 wtf.. maybe i was talking about tying my shoes Apr 27 23:06:36 people think your life sucks Apr 27 23:06:42 apparently Apr 27 23:06:43 time to prove them wrong Apr 27 23:06:53 I don't even wear shoes with laces any more :C Apr 27 23:06:59 sugardave, the level of fun is directly proportional to the number of grape popsicles involved Apr 27 23:07:03 i buy short laces Apr 27 23:07:10 flipflops ftw Apr 27 23:07:11 and knot them under the tongue Apr 27 23:07:17 no slack Apr 27 23:07:17 I wear boots that I can cheat with... Apr 27 23:07:25 though it's starting to get too warm for them Apr 27 23:07:27 I just wear the Tom's classics Apr 27 23:07:35 nice shoes, terrible in the rain though Apr 27 23:07:48 converse chuck taylors with no laces ftw Apr 27 23:07:57 DC's for me Apr 27 23:15:42 bbl Apr 27 23:15:53 time to survey the storm damage :) Apr 27 23:18:15 SineOt: they took the laces away from you? Apr 27 23:18:28 sugardave: :p Apr 27 23:18:47 RagingMind: As a refinement, I will put forth that an equal proportion of cherry to grape is awesome Apr 27 23:23:59 Anyone watching Game of Thrones? Apr 27 23:24:41 no Apr 27 23:24:48 yes Apr 27 23:25:01 I think they're doing a fairly good job with it Apr 27 23:25:12 you know, PatrickC really needs to get out more. Seriously Apr 27 23:25:27 he's like 12 Apr 27 23:25:34 15 Apr 27 23:25:46 Loudergood: I heard good things. I gotta see it Apr 27 23:25:47 thats 12 upsidedown Apr 27 23:34:22 awesome Apr 27 23:34:31 sound isnt working, and its live in the catalog.. Apr 27 23:34:35 what a fail of an update Apr 27 23:37:43 i'm an idiot Apr 27 23:37:44 SwapnDrop.enableSounds = false; Apr 27 23:37:44 if (SwapnDrop.enableSounds === true) { Apr 27 23:39:25 haha Apr 27 23:39:27 ok welll thats fixed, now somethign else is broke.. argh i knew i shouldnt have touched this code Apr 27 23:41:59 see..this is why I don't have any apps... Apr 27 23:42:09 * haeffb has GoT on DVR Apr 27 23:42:37 "Trying is the first step to failure." -- Homer Simpson Apr 27 23:43:08 * haeffb giving up trying. Going to pop open a beer. Apr 27 23:43:26 success! Apr 27 23:47:16 argh! Apr 27 23:47:39 pre- 2.1.0 gave me a calendar notification an hour and 45 minutes after it happened Apr 27 23:48:40 at least it had the day right Apr 27 23:50:06 this is why I use google calendar and have it email me reminders Apr 28 00:02:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VyIDIAsCTI&feature=player_embedded Apr 28 00:02:41 lol Apr 28 00:07:42 anyone having problems with retreiving email from yahoo on webos device? Apr 28 00:07:49 using 1.4.5 here? Apr 28 00:07:54 yahoo sucks Apr 28 00:08:02 lol Apr 28 00:08:09 i knew someone was gonna say that Apr 28 00:08:21 been using yahoo mail since 1990s Apr 28 00:08:24 <- avid gmail user.. infact all my email accts are gmail Apr 28 00:08:35 have gmail, aol, also Apr 28 00:08:54 they all work but yahoo stopped functioning... as of a few days ago Apr 28 00:08:56 7 gmail, 2 hotmail (had them forever, required for xbox live) Apr 28 00:09:15 99% of my mail goes to my pop3 .edu account Apr 28 00:09:21 * haeffb can no longer login to my yahoo account on webos 2.1 Apr 28 00:09:43 yahoo sucks Apr 28 00:10:05 they probably stopped supporting it Apr 28 00:10:11 they're throwing in the towel Apr 28 00:10:28 lol Apr 28 00:10:28 I think they switched from pop3 to imap & the webos email app doesn't support it. Apr 28 00:10:34 or something Apr 28 00:11:00 haeffb: it would make sense , cuss it just began to happen a few days ago Apr 28 00:11:01 could probably set up the account manually, but it's not worth it Apr 28 00:11:26 set it up as imap then Apr 28 00:11:32 like google does :P Apr 28 00:11:43 do it from the emulator Apr 28 00:11:54 might be quicker Apr 28 00:11:56 right, but webOS tries to auto setup if you give it an @yahoo.com email address Apr 28 00:12:06 misspell it Apr 28 00:12:07 haeffb: it is not that important, will access it via webos browser Apr 28 00:13:48 ok weird working now, i think it had something to do with account manager Apr 28 00:15:08 I'm actually reading Game of Thrones...I don't have HBO Apr 28 00:17:19 reading some lame ass book "The missing years - Ho Chi Minh" Apr 28 00:19:09 heh, sugardave *spoiler* the next book is coming at last Apr 28 00:21:08 Loudergood: aren't there 4 books? I just saw the first one at Miami airport a few weeks ago Apr 28 00:21:19 or supposed to be 4 books? Apr 28 00:25:48 ok laters dudes time for dinner Apr 28 00:27:17 sugardave: unfinished series Apr 28 00:27:34 5 is coming out this summer, after taking 5 years to be written Apr 28 00:30:34 hrm Apr 28 00:30:49 reviewtomail lets you know when your app hits the catalog.. altho its a bit behind ;p Apr 28 00:33:08 hrm.. a call from minnesota.. i dont know anyone there.. Apr 28 00:33:23 it's not me Apr 28 00:33:47 Loudergood: ah, I had no idea. I like it so far Apr 28 00:34:01 dawm: it's haeffb, don't listen to him Apr 28 00:34:15 voicemail..hrm Apr 28 00:34:33 proof that it's not me. I never leave voicemail Apr 28 00:34:48 automated.. sounded like a debit consolidation place Apr 28 00:34:57 i dont have any credit cards Apr 28 00:36:08 ooh Apr 28 00:36:11 maybe its the ps3 hackers Apr 28 00:36:16 of doom Apr 28 00:37:10 still need a new name for my software company Apr 28 00:37:28 all the good ones are taken Apr 28 00:37:29 call it Balls Deep Development Apr 28 00:37:36 haha Apr 28 00:37:47 BDD Apr 28 00:37:52 funny Apr 28 00:38:06 hotdp is already taken Apr 28 00:38:11 when i call this number back it doesnt even ring.. just dead silence as if its still trying to fetch signal to make the call Apr 28 00:39:16 haeffb: sexy coderz! Apr 28 00:41:49 MODEV: A haeffb joint Apr 28 00:42:04 http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/646262/fight-for-your-right-revisited.jhtml Apr 28 00:42:05 epic Apr 28 00:42:09 so many big stars.. Apr 28 00:44:49 www.urologysoftware.com is available.... Apr 28 00:45:20 im telling you mang.. BALLS DEEP DEVELOPMENT Apr 28 00:45:24 urineapps.com Apr 28 00:45:37 pee soft Apr 28 00:45:38 IPAPPS? Apr 28 00:45:53 www.ballsdeepdev.com is open Apr 28 00:46:40 damn. seymourbutts.com is already taken Apr 28 00:46:51 is it work safe? Apr 28 00:46:59 doubtful Apr 28 00:52:54 ok, that was NOT sfw Apr 28 00:55:44 the internets is claiming Sony stored passwords as plain text Apr 28 00:57:11 yeah, it's bad Apr 28 01:00:33 yah Apr 28 01:00:37 everything as plaintext Apr 28 01:00:44 soo.. appcatalog2 got updated Apr 28 01:00:47 what about appcatalog1 Apr 28 01:13:47 seriously.. wtf Apr 28 01:13:56 i was about to click somthing on facebook and then it disappeared.. Apr 28 01:14:24 i noticed bestbuy has sprint phones again Apr 28 01:15:32 and they still call it Palm :) Apr 28 01:22:22 hey thats my name Apr 28 01:23:18 I'm just hoping this rumored Sprint device actually turns out to be something and not another rumor :B Apr 28 01:23:39 my upgrade eligibility is in early September, so... Apr 28 01:26:52 i was eligible (and used that eligibility) when i got my pre for $99 at bestbuy during their goof Apr 28 01:27:04 and ive been eligible since :P Apr 28 01:28:40 ok so.. Apr 28 01:28:43 where is NorCal? Apr 28 01:29:08 nm Apr 28 01:29:27 i kept thinking North Carolina Apr 28 01:29:34 but that would be NorCar Apr 28 01:30:01 SineOt, Apr 28 01:30:06 http://e621.net/data/b1/21/b121a2f5cf70149b05bec2d933733d88.jpg Apr 28 01:39:07 http://blog.getsatisfaction.com/2011/04/27/infographic-the-hard-knock-life-of-an-internet-troll/?view=socialstudies Apr 28 01:41:06 http://blog.getsatisfaction.com/2011/02/23/google-helmet/?view=socialstudies Apr 28 01:48:09 interested in finding a PDK dev for OpenGL and game collaboration. pm me for more info :) Apr 28 01:56:51 ooh, catalog update in software manager Apr 28 02:04:10 * oil should setup his pre2 to actually access the catalog Apr 28 02:05:28 did anything change with the catalog? I cant access the it with my at&t dev pre anymore Apr 28 02:05:50 apparently promo codes are available Apr 28 02:05:55 can't find anything on dev portal about them tho Apr 28 02:06:01 interesting Apr 28 02:08:00 the ui for it kinda sucks Apr 28 02:08:22 but I guess it's the best it can be without an overhaul Apr 28 02:11:40 http://media.precentral.net/resources/images/000/102/026/medium/app-cat-update-promo2.png Apr 28 02:11:53 they need to slap whoever setup that dialog Apr 28 02:12:07 i mean, come on, at least make the text box fit inside the group like it should Apr 28 02:12:10 thats just lazy Apr 28 02:12:23 looks like some crap UI that I would create Apr 28 02:13:30 no Apr 28 02:13:48 you would be copying from what i've done, and none of my stuff is that bad :) Apr 28 02:17:50 oil: what's the best way to have a service call that happens in parallel with the startup scene if there is one, or else happens on the main scene, but in both cases can throw an error message dialog if required? Apr 28 02:20:27 sounds like a case for... callbacks! Apr 28 02:20:40 halfhalo hates callbacks Apr 28 02:20:51 not anymore Apr 28 02:21:10 halfhalo 1.0 hates callbacks Apr 28 02:21:15 bingo Apr 28 02:21:20 callbacks are awesome Apr 28 02:21:57 * rwhitby gets "this"'s confused when using callbacks Apr 28 02:22:22 what changed between halfhalo v1.0 and halfhalo Current? Apr 28 02:22:38 if I have to use this in a callback, I usually do var self=this before, or pass this in. Apr 28 02:22:57 summatusmentis: callbacks+crazy Apr 28 02:23:12 fair enough Apr 28 02:23:39 so, who got the new app cat? Apr 28 02:25:23 that's so 10 mins ago. Apr 28 02:25:48 rwhitby: you could have a global function for error dialogs Apr 28 02:26:05 Tibfib: it needs to know the controller though? Apr 28 02:26:13 lemme paste a snippet Apr 28 02:26:38 you can find the current controller, no? Apr 28 02:27:22 rwhitby: actually you don't Apr 28 02:27:28 * rwhitby should probably get a deep understanding of the webOS framework at some point ... Apr 28 02:27:44 wait for enyo Apr 28 02:28:05 rwhitby: this is what I do: http://pastebin.com/SMEdba3W Apr 28 02:28:17 you've gone this long without knowing it, a little longer won't hurt~ Apr 28 02:28:20 altho, if you always know the stage controller, you don't have to banner error Apr 28 02:29:10 rwhitby: here: http://pastebin.com/pPigqJ25 Apr 28 02:29:32 Tibfib: I haven't yet determined if Enyo has everything needed to, for example, rewrite Impostah or Save/Restore or Govnah. Apr 28 02:29:46 Tibfib: geStageController? Apr 28 02:29:55 woops Apr 28 02:30:02 rwhitby: ui wise, or backend wise? Apr 28 02:30:12 Tibfib: and until people can actually share Enyo code openly, there will be no community learning or open source apps to cut and paste from. Apr 28 02:30:32 rwhitby: palm has said multiple times there is no point in learning mojo now Apr 28 02:31:13 Tibfib: palm does not give a congruent story on that. I simply don't believe what they say with regard to Enyo and actually selling apps in the next 6 months. Apr 28 02:31:33 but you don't typically sell apps, do you? Apr 28 02:31:47 rwhitby: regardless, enyo is the future.. Apr 28 02:31:53 Tibfib: um, I have to top-rated paid app in the webOS app catalog ... Apr 28 02:31:58 s/to/the/ Apr 28 02:32:18 enyo is the future, where the future starts in over 9 months from now. Apr 28 02:32:19 true Apr 28 02:32:56 until Enyo is public, learning it for open source apps is pointless. Apr 28 02:33:13 bbl Apr 28 02:33:16 why would you learn something that will be deprecated tho? Apr 28 02:33:32 Tibfib: cause I want to do stuff *NOW*, not in 9 months time? Apr 28 02:34:01 rwhitby: touchpad will be out in 1-3 months Apr 28 02:34:06 rwhitby: are you making the service call from the scene (startup or main) ? Apr 28 02:34:17 Tibfib: yeah, right. I'll believe that when I see it. Apr 28 02:34:36 rwhitby: heh, hopefully. Apr 28 02:34:54 I expect it by september Apr 28 02:35:03 Tibfib: everyone has seen the video of the webOS 3.0 leak. What is shown in that video is at least 6 months away from production quality. Apr 28 02:35:03 of '12 Apr 28 02:35:29 rwhitby: if you caught the video of the second beta, it was much more polished Apr 28 02:35:42 Tibfib: that's the one I'm talking about Apr 28 02:36:07 rwhitby already has a TouchPad and a Pre3, but since it's under NDA he's not allowed to talk about it ;) Apr 28 02:36:14 hmm, that didn't look 6 months from production Apr 28 02:36:19 to me anyway. Apr 28 02:36:29 In fact he already has the August Sprint keyboardless device ;) Apr 28 02:39:12 rwhitby: you could do it in a model outside of any of the assistants Apr 28 02:40:52 rwhitby: palm has put developers in a crappy position. they need to announce dates Apr 28 02:41:31 Tibfib: soon Apr 28 02:41:38 yeah. Apr 28 02:41:44 it's almost may Apr 28 02:42:01 they should switch to "eventually" Apr 28 02:42:38 "free beer tomorrow" Apr 28 02:42:39 "when we get to it, busy with toasters" Apr 28 02:43:00 haeffb: a friend of mine has that sign on the wall in his house Apr 28 02:43:35 NuttyBunny: I have the Pre 4 too. Apr 28 02:43:44 and should get the Pre 5 next week. Apr 28 02:44:02 I also have the iPad 3 and the Nexus Z8 Apr 28 02:44:03 can I have the pre4+? Apr 28 02:44:21 I have 3 Pre's, does that count? ;) Apr 28 02:44:28 Ah, also the Pixi 2 Apr 28 02:44:30 friggin' aussies and their crazy timezones. They get all the cool stuff first. Apr 28 02:44:38 it's not fair Apr 28 02:45:38 hmm... eating ice cream with a knife? check Apr 28 02:45:43 haeffb: when the world ends at the date stated by the latest cult, you can be comforted by the knowledge that I will also be gone first. Apr 28 02:45:53 (since they never state a timezone) Apr 28 02:46:15 Well, December 22, 2012 will hit first over there Apr 28 02:46:51 NuttyBunny: exactly. And Australians at least take comfort in the knowledge that New Zealanders will be gone before us. Apr 28 02:47:29 * rwhitby wonders why cult leaders are never asked what timezone their prediction is in ... Apr 28 02:48:34 * Tibfib googles what the furthest time ahead is Apr 28 02:49:02 Tibfib: Chatham Islands Apr 28 02:49:05 GMT+13:45 during DST Apr 28 02:49:15 crazy! Apr 28 02:49:27 oh, actually, I think there is one east of them. GMT+14:00 Apr 28 02:49:38 Chatham is the weirdest timezone, not the easternmost. Apr 28 02:49:53 yeah google's telling me gmt+14 Apr 28 02:50:15 the line islands Apr 28 02:50:26 yeah, Kiribati Apr 28 02:50:50 but an on-the-hour timezone is so boring Apr 28 02:50:52 it's crazy how you can travel a few miles and time travel 24 hours Apr 28 02:51:01 overrated Apr 28 02:51:53 * halfhalo waits for someone to come up with a timezone thats like 12:34 ahead. Because they can. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 28 02:59:57 2011