**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 28 02:59:57 2011 Apr 28 03:13:25 I'm off to bed Apr 28 03:13:27 night all Apr 28 03:13:40 night Apr 28 03:22:09 hahahaha, there is a version in my metrix logs of koto that doesn't exist Apr 28 03:22:17 2.0.0 Apr 28 03:23:44 odd Apr 28 03:43:54 * oil edits his appinfo to v3 Apr 28 03:44:48 was there an announcement made for the promo codes? Apr 28 03:44:53 did I miss it? Apr 28 03:48:30 apparently Apr 28 03:50:37 I think we all missed it Apr 28 03:50:38 Well I was surprised to land and see App Catalog in the list of updates. Pity the update is utterly useless to me. :P Apr 28 03:50:57 awesome Apr 28 03:51:23 * halfhalo sues Apr 28 04:00:20 * Hendikins can't even remember when he last used the App Catalog, just uses Preware instead. Apr 28 04:00:44 and preware doesn't have ugly dialogs Apr 28 04:01:00 lol Apr 28 04:01:04 haha Apr 28 04:01:15 yeah the only time preware annoys me is when I only have one update Apr 28 04:01:32 just because I go for the update all button by habit Apr 28 04:01:51 I sorta wish the update all button was there regardless of how many there are Apr 28 04:05:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnJHzCn8myM - webOS CONNECT London Apr 28 04:05:56 but there is only "all Apr 28 04:06:00 when there is more then 1 Apr 28 04:06:11 4 NEW APPSZZ Apr 28 04:06:20 OH GAWD Apr 28 04:08:05 * halfhalo is trying to find a song but only knows that the last word in the title rhymes with another word. Apr 28 04:08:24 "punt?" Apr 28 04:08:35 no Apr 28 04:08:44 well, that was my only idea. Apr 28 04:08:51 heinous Apr 28 04:09:04 what would punt rhyme with? Apr 28 04:09:04 Uranus? Apr 28 04:09:09 ________ rhyrmeswithheinous Apr 28 04:09:20 dohtem: welp. Apr 28 04:09:52 * Hendikins blinks at SimpleGPS. Apr 28 04:10:03 WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO FIND Apr 28 04:10:15 Accuracy 12288m... has AGPS magically worked or something? Apr 28 04:10:53 TO THE SMART DJ! Apr 28 04:11:59 Pink Grapefruit Perrier. There's no sugar in it, yet it's WAY TOO SWEET >:B Apr 28 04:12:07 i'm out! Apr 28 04:12:14 * halfhalo bashes his head into the wall Apr 28 04:14:44 * dohtem offers halfhalo some Activia Apr 28 04:16:38 bull... the songs name was I just had ___ Apr 28 04:16:46 Annd... its crap. just making sure Apr 28 04:17:00 * oil still gets ridiculous support emails Apr 28 04:17:16 BACK TO THE OLD SONGS! Apr 28 04:17:25 * halfhalo goes to play elvis Apr 28 04:17:26 "Your rule that a box must be completed removes an essential strategy of the game. In essence you game is not the Dots-and-Boxes game described in Berlekamp's book. You have made it, alas, into a game of no strategy, just the child's game of trading chains. Apr 28 04:17:27 Sorry if I'm in error, but see Berlekamp's book." Apr 28 04:17:53 to which i replied "Feel free to turn it off by toggling the "Require Box" option in the main scene to "No"." Apr 28 04:17:58 :/ Apr 28 04:17:59 lol Apr 28 04:18:21 * halfhalo wants to see his most recent songs on zune now... its going to be funny as hell Apr 28 04:22:41 * halfhalo plays some journey up in here. hows that for old school. Apr 28 04:23:29 Just a small time girl!!! Apr 28 04:23:45 bingo Apr 28 04:23:58 dohtem: small town girl? Apr 28 04:24:22 also, this summer, when I was in Pittsburgh, there was a Bon Jovi/Journey cover band that I saw Apr 28 04:24:48 mmm... cheeseburger in paradise.... Apr 28 04:24:51 I was there for the local opening band (it was a block party), but it got so packed for Bon Journey Apr 28 04:27:47 and... now portal 2 ending song Apr 28 04:27:58 one of three songs from a game I like. Apr 28 04:27:59 lol Apr 28 04:28:59 one of the others happens to be from portal 1. which says something Apr 28 04:29:16 what's the third? Apr 28 04:29:37 We don't talk about the third in here... Apr 28 04:29:44 Not anymore... Apr 28 04:29:55 Ever since...the incident. Apr 28 04:30:42 the third is was the halo theme from halo 2 with the crazy guitars. I saw the guy who did it play. was intense Apr 28 04:36:44 * oil now hears that song in his head Apr 28 04:40:45 hey Apr 28 04:41:05 * NuttyBunny looks at his half dead baby Pre Apr 28 04:41:17 * NuttyBunny then looks at haeffb Apr 28 04:42:03 blame oil Apr 28 04:43:39 :/ Apr 28 04:43:53 * SineOt doesn't blame oil. gives oil ponies instead. Apr 28 04:43:55 dontblameoil Apr 28 04:46:03 seriously Apr 28 04:46:15 Ok, now... how is it that I can connect via novaterm to my Pre, but I can't put it into usb mode? Apr 28 04:46:30 Luna :I http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/116/b/9/princess_selene_by_etonyoc-d3exj6f.png Apr 28 04:55:53 hey swisstomcat Apr 28 04:56:16 hey Apr 28 04:57:18 SineOt, you like ponies? Apr 28 04:57:33 Ayup. Apr 28 04:58:29 lol Apr 28 04:58:30 shocker Apr 28 04:58:45 oil: wirc rocks! Apr 28 04:58:45 inorit Apr 28 04:58:58 lol Apr 28 04:59:44 * halfhalo was gonna make fun of wirc... but gots nothin.... Apr 28 05:00:37 * swisstomcat likes unicorns and rainbows ;) Apr 28 05:01:23 wirc may someday hopefully make it into the catalog Apr 28 05:01:36 "in the coming months" Apr 28 05:01:36 so where are the wirc promo codes? Apr 28 05:01:47 there are none Apr 28 05:01:50 oil: better late than never Apr 28 05:02:18 i dont know about that haha Apr 28 05:02:31 woah! woah! stupid android booted on Baby Pre! hahahaha Cool! :D Apr 28 05:02:35 *I* Love rainbows :) Apr 28 05:02:37 if they dont get stuff fixed we wont be able to call it wIRC Apr 28 05:02:45 wIRCery Apr 28 05:02:48 :/ Apr 28 05:03:17 or wIRCah Apr 28 05:03:22 smIRC Apr 28 05:03:23 yeah, its wIRC or nothing Apr 28 05:04:00 noIRC Apr 28 05:04:34 IRCw? Apr 28 05:04:50 wIRCelery Apr 28 05:05:16 this will end badly. Apr 28 05:05:32 so what's with this app cat update? Apr 28 05:05:41 retarded Apr 28 05:05:51 change icon + bad code Apr 28 05:06:16 now I want celery :< Apr 28 05:06:18 * oil considers making a patch to fix that dialog xD Apr 28 05:06:24 heh Apr 28 05:06:29 RagingMind, swisstomcat: only the manliest of men can admit to stuff like that :p Apr 28 05:06:58 * oil only enjoys double rainbows Apr 28 05:07:16 * halfhalo likes the gold at the end. Apr 28 05:07:41 the gold is a lie Apr 28 05:07:49 * swisstomcat also likes HTML5 ... fits right in :) Apr 28 05:07:53 it is now, I stole it all Apr 28 05:08:12 unicorns,rainbows and html5 Apr 28 05:08:19 i admit it Apr 28 05:08:30 * oil prefers html 3 Apr 28 05:08:40 tables ftw Apr 28 05:08:43 heh Apr 28 05:08:51 * SineOt prefers oatmeal Apr 28 05:09:03 lest not forget the marquee tag Apr 28 05:09:06 and the blink tag Apr 28 05:09:08 one of my apps uses tables ... woot Apr 28 05:09:41 sometimes you gotta Apr 28 05:09:51 fake it with divs Apr 28 05:09:53 actually Apr 28 05:10:06 any app using palms styles for list dividers uses tables Apr 28 05:10:10 iFrames. Apr 28 05:10:22 oil: true Apr 28 05:10:45 * oil remembers doing ajax-like stuff with iframes before xmlhttprequest was in all browsers Apr 28 05:10:57 good times.... Apr 28 05:11:08 ie 5.5 Apr 28 05:11:13 yuck Apr 28 05:11:20 ie6 FOREVER Apr 28 05:11:57 * halfhalo pokes ie10 Apr 28 05:12:02 actually im glad chrome came along Apr 28 05:12:19 because firefox has always been too much of a hog Apr 28 05:12:31 yeah Apr 28 05:12:44 competition is good Apr 28 05:12:49 safari is.... sorta decent Apr 28 05:12:51 quick poll: who here DOESNT use chrome as their main browser? Apr 28 05:12:52 the proper Seamonkey suite was even worse Apr 28 05:12:57 I use Safari Apr 28 05:13:02 oil: I use FF4 Apr 28 05:13:07 mac uses gtfo Apr 28 05:13:08 lol Apr 28 05:13:13 * halfhalo uses chrome and ie9 Apr 28 05:13:30 * summatusmentis is a mac user, on FF4 Apr 28 05:13:35 booo Apr 28 05:13:40 ff4 can suck it Apr 28 05:13:55 nuh uh, love the tab grouping Apr 28 05:14:25 * summatusmentis has a group of 16 tabs open related to webos dev right now Apr 28 05:14:35 sitting in the background Apr 28 05:14:38 it's great Apr 28 05:14:39 http://www.theinvisibl.com/2009/12/08/chrometabs/ Apr 28 05:14:45 let me know when other browsers do that Apr 28 05:15:14 i use all of em (well chrome,ff,safari) Apr 28 05:16:06 pft, who closes tabs with the button on the tab Apr 28 05:16:15 me Apr 28 05:16:15 FF4 on a mac does, to an extent Apr 28 05:16:19 * Hendikins doesn't use Chrome at all. Apr 28 05:16:21 sometimes Apr 28 05:16:27 assuming there are enough tabs to fill the whole bar Apr 28 05:16:30 * SineOt either has his hand on command-w, or just middle clicks the tab which closes it regardless of where it had been clicked Apr 28 05:16:31 SeaMonkey, and occasionally Konqueror. Apr 28 05:16:49 * halfhalo regularly 50 + tabs open Apr 28 05:17:07 thats too many Apr 28 05:17:16 it gets to the point where its easier to open a new tab instead of hunting for the same one already open Apr 28 05:17:21 halfhalo: me too Apr 28 05:17:24 at least the other browsers picked up the drag a tab to new window / other window Apr 28 05:17:27 hehe Apr 28 05:17:40 let's see! I have 10 tabs right one, one of them is a page trolling Eric S Raymond, and the other half are Doctor Who or My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic! :I Apr 28 05:17:53 new season win Apr 28 05:17:54 I use tabs as reminders Apr 28 05:18:10 i use new windows really only for hulu or netflix or the like Apr 28 05:18:18 which is awful if webOS keeps making it so easy to open new browser things Apr 28 05:18:23 cards/tabs Apr 28 05:18:25 or whatever Apr 28 05:18:48 bbl Apr 28 05:19:15 i want the touchpad browser to have an option to see the other open windows in a little strip at the bottom of the screen. Apr 28 05:19:16 lol nobody ever changes the default part messages :) Apr 28 05:19:43 halfhalo: sorta like iOS does for their tabs? Apr 28 05:19:47 or whatever? Apr 28 05:19:54 but not a zoom out function Apr 28 05:20:00 it does it for open apps Apr 28 05:20:15 right Apr 28 05:22:39 I'm sure there will be a touchpad version of Universe at some point Apr 28 05:23:04 I should see about learning enyo Apr 28 05:23:13 NDA Apr 28 05:23:26 Not Dead Anymore Apr 28 05:23:32 right, I know it's under NDA Apr 28 05:23:35 that's what I meant Apr 28 05:23:39 I should look into it Apr 28 05:24:38 hmm.... I have 22 emails Apr 28 05:25:00 should I look at them... or delete them all... Apr 28 05:25:26 delete every other email, respond to only last 3 of what's left Apr 28 05:25:38 "i dont want to talk to unlucky people" Apr 28 05:26:11 non are respondable I think Apr 28 05:26:16 their almost all from forums Apr 28 05:26:45 you get email from forums? forget that Apr 28 05:27:00 I do on the forums I mod. Apr 28 05:27:10 granted Apr 28 05:27:31 all the more reason to not read them! Apr 28 05:28:26 wait, half of them are from a server monitoring thing yelling that my vps is out of memory Apr 28 05:29:37 it doesn't like I'm running REDACTED on it Apr 28 05:30:07 server monitoring, I should maybe run that Apr 28 05:30:30 http://REDACTED.preyourmind.org Apr 28 05:36:33 * oil wonders about redacted Apr 28 05:37:27 its for [REDACTED] to replace [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], [REDACTED], and [REDACTED]. Apr 28 05:38:20 well thats not very informative Apr 28 05:38:46 theres another url tied to it that unlocks all the features that is done so far Apr 28 05:44:08 * oil guessed it heh Apr 28 05:44:36 register and login work, nothing else atm Apr 28 05:44:47 well thats not very good Apr 28 05:44:55 lol, look at the source for the sha1 hash key im using Apr 28 06:47:15 rehi Apr 28 06:52:36 hi swisstomcat! Apr 28 06:53:56 hey Apr 28 07:07:31 Adora: I thought that you were tired?! Apr 28 07:07:39 I am Apr 28 07:07:44 doesn't mean I don't have work to do Apr 28 07:07:47 :( Apr 28 07:08:11 well, don't forget to sleep Apr 28 07:22:51 hey adora Apr 28 07:23:15 adora: appredirect url's are now http instead of https to open the app catalog on device? Apr 28 07:23:39 adora: and what's with the app catalog app update offered on pre2 devices? Apr 28 07:24:09 it's still rolling out, we'll have an official announcement tomorrow Apr 28 07:25:07 tomorrow is today's evening in europe, you know that ,right? Apr 28 07:25:28 so everyone in europe is seeing it for a wholeday without an official communication Apr 28 07:25:58 don't get me wrong, this is not directed at your personally Apr 28 07:26:05 yep, on my list of concerns to air Apr 28 07:26:30 if something is going to change on a user's device, we should tell them before they go "hey, what the...?" Apr 28 07:26:41 exactly Apr 28 07:26:43 but we're also trying to move to a culture of "available NOW" Apr 28 07:26:52 but why does it keep happening again and again? Apr 28 07:27:16 but the rollout hit a snag and now everyone's exhausted and need to sleep Apr 28 07:27:32 (I am exempt from this) Apr 28 07:27:45 but still Apr 28 07:27:50 (we) need to know Apr 28 07:28:19 please don't roll out changes without informing users beforehand Apr 28 07:28:24 just don't Apr 28 07:28:37 bbl Apr 28 07:29:12 is it "tomorrow as in after sleep (thursday)" or "tomorrow as in friday" Apr 28 07:29:45 thursday, after sleep Apr 28 07:30:33 I have a friend who uses tomorrow in the other way, drives me nuts :p Apr 28 07:31:11 psh, tomorrow is after the sun comes up Apr 28 07:31:16 until then, it is still tonight Apr 28 07:31:32 tomorrow is a frame of reference to when you're awake! Apr 28 07:33:06 oh, Adora~ hah, that custom pony I'm working on, when finished, will hopefully look closer to this :B http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/116/b/9/princess_selene_by_etonyoc-d3exj6f.png Apr 28 08:38:08 I think I've read somewhere that I can set an alarm using the palm://com.palm.power/timeout Service and define certain conditions under wich the Alert should be issued (device connected to network etc.). Is that true? :-) Apr 28 08:48:56 hmm Apr 28 08:49:06 I can't do a serviceRequest in my Model Apr 28 08:55:38 OK, got that one fixed Apr 28 08:57:06 hmpf Apr 28 08:57:12 host mode doesn't work with noWindow apps Apr 28 08:57:15 great... Apr 28 09:05:07 argh, and now my model is misbehaving in host mode Apr 28 09:05:12 this is so annoying Apr 28 09:12:27 yay Apr 28 09:12:37 and Ajax requests don't work because of the same origin policy Apr 28 09:12:43 the hostmode is useless Apr 28 10:22:55 ea devs: check the private forum :) Apr 28 10:48:05 Ugh Apr 28 12:45:25 ping hotdp Apr 28 12:55:26 yo Apr 28 12:55:32 hmm Apr 28 13:43:53 was anyone with a pixi able to download the Veer demo? Apr 28 13:45:18 nooo Apr 28 13:45:25 Natty shot my emulator environment Apr 28 13:45:54 who? Apr 28 13:46:01 Ubuntu 11.04 Apr 28 13:46:06 Natty Narwhale Apr 28 13:46:07 :-) Apr 28 13:46:26 I have that :) Apr 28 13:46:56 hm? Apr 28 13:47:14 hey who has two thumbs and just finished college Apr 28 13:47:17 <---- this guy Apr 28 13:47:52 lol Apr 28 13:48:23 phoque_uni: I have 11.04 Apr 28 13:48:32 PatrickC_Pre2, and your emulator is fine? Apr 28 13:48:50 don't have the emu on it yet Apr 28 13:49:04 phoque_uni: try running in an older kernel Apr 28 13:49:07 its also in a vbox Apr 28 13:49:34 I believe NuttyBunny is running 11.04 too Apr 28 13:58:22 Vbox 3.x is broken with 2.6.38 or newer kernel Apr 28 13:59:28 Louder|pre: yep, hence the having to boot into an older kernel :) Apr 28 14:02:15 And block the system from upgrading vbox Apr 28 14:03:16 * PatrickC_Pre2 uses Windoze and doesn't have to worry about it :) Apr 28 14:04:57 That's why I use 10.10 Apr 28 14:05:18 dang, should've tried the Upgrade on my Netbook first Apr 28 14:05:43 time to downgrade Apr 28 14:05:44 aka erase everything Apr 28 14:05:46 :-D Apr 28 14:07:30 can't you dualboot different versions? Apr 28 14:08:39 dont know Apr 28 14:08:41 doesn't matter Apr 28 14:09:04 my /home is on a separate partition Apr 28 14:09:19 I should've saved my package list though Apr 28 14:09:30 the stuff that I've installed myself Apr 28 14:09:34 ah, who cares Apr 28 14:10:29 Natty is choppy anyways Apr 28 14:11:08 my ubuntu is always choppy :) Apr 28 14:11:19 10.10/11.04 it doesn't matter lol Apr 28 14:11:29 try Xfce Apr 28 14:11:56 its in a vbox.. with I think 1.5GB Ram Apr 28 14:12:27 but ill look up Xfce Apr 28 14:15:24 or try it not in a vbox :) Apr 28 14:15:49 hehe, I'll have to wait till my dad says I can Apr 28 14:16:14 brb gotta reboot the pre2 Apr 28 14:39:22 hmm.. this app is throwing errors and idk where they are Apr 28 14:39:28 cause i cant find what is wrong.. Apr 28 14:40:54 hey everyone Apr 28 14:41:02 i'm floored, excited, humbled :) :D Apr 28 14:41:16 what happened? Apr 28 14:42:14 ill post the log, and explain Apr 28 14:42:47 Congrats Apr 28 14:42:51 http://pastebin.com/4ZRbnfDF Apr 28 14:43:07 there is no "addClassName" or "screenOrientationChange" in my code anywhere Apr 28 14:43:40 i'm joining HP/Palm to work for European Developer Relations :) Apr 28 14:43:47 YAY!! Apr 28 14:43:49 col Apr 28 14:43:49 wow Apr 28 14:43:50 cool* Apr 28 14:43:51 seriously? Apr 28 14:44:18 congratulations! Apr 28 14:44:43 swisstomcat finally. they needed someone forever Apr 28 14:45:05 (and congrats) Apr 28 14:45:43 halfhalo: it took one year :) Apr 28 14:46:02 PatrickC_Home, can't you narrow it down to the scene? Apr 28 14:46:07 that short, eh Apr 28 14:46:27 phoque_uni: i have one scene in the app so far Apr 28 14:46:35 just started development on it about 10 min ago Apr 28 14:46:35 hm Apr 28 14:46:57 someone make me a redmine app. Apr 28 14:47:18 * PatrickC_Home thinks halfhalo should make it Apr 28 14:47:20 :) Apr 28 14:47:34 I was thinking about making a CodebaseHQ app Apr 28 14:47:41 Ya Palm, i got my Phone back today Apr 28 14:47:56 but then again... they could simply create a mobile phone CSS and we'd be done Apr 28 14:48:02 * halfhalo has way more important prjects than a redmine one, like [REDACTED] Apr 28 14:48:34 [REDACTED] rocks! Apr 28 14:49:05 if you guess the magic unlock url you get a prize Apr 28 14:50:26 halfhalo: whats not not the magic unlock url? Apr 28 14:50:58 you get minus points for that lame attempt Apr 28 14:51:44 man.. Apr 28 14:52:21 ohohoh.... I should update it with the connect thingie... that would be cool... Apr 28 14:52:29 OK, reinstalling Linux Apr 28 14:52:30 connect thingie? Apr 28 14:52:33 cya in a bit Apr 28 14:52:48 yes, connect thingie. Apr 28 14:52:50 bye Apr 28 14:54:36 its actually mapped to a completely seperate url as well, but the other url doesn't redact everything. Apr 28 14:56:06 congrats swisstomcat Apr 28 14:56:32 yer its cool with swisstomcat Apr 28 14:56:48 thank you :) Apr 28 14:57:10 Humm will the Pixi not let you do anything with out a Sim in? Apr 28 15:03:09 veer launch party canceled? Apr 28 15:03:10 http://www.cvent.com/events/hp-veer-launch-party-event-los-angeles/event-summary-76d037b7e6c4441e918fc2e801ffe4d7.aspx Apr 28 15:03:28 :o Apr 28 15:03:31 that sounds strange Apr 28 15:04:38 yeah... Apr 28 15:04:49 have you tipped pc? Apr 28 15:04:57 just did Apr 28 15:05:07 oki Apr 28 15:05:23 doh :/ Apr 28 15:06:03 maybe its because veer is not ready :P Apr 28 15:06:11 But will be the comming months? Apr 28 15:06:24 Or it will be upgraded to a TouchPad event Apr 28 15:07:00 or a "Sprint's 6 month Exclusive Phone" Event :) Apr 28 15:07:13 maybe the veer has been canned Apr 28 15:07:25 maybe HP is going into bankruptcy Apr 28 15:07:44 awww man..... Apr 28 15:08:01 again with the money issues... Apr 28 15:08:14 * PatrickC_Home gives all his $45 to get HP out of bankruptcy Apr 28 15:08:18 hey everyone! :D Apr 28 15:08:31 or maybe none of the above, and the event is just fully subscribed, so no need to have the registration page up any more ... Apr 28 15:08:53 NuttyBunny: yo Apr 28 15:08:59 HP? Bankruptcy? it may be because of sending "all" those free devices ;) Apr 28 15:09:08 heh Apr 28 15:09:14 haha Apr 28 15:09:22 NuttyBunny how many did you get? Apr 28 15:09:33 NuttyBunny said he had 3 Apr 28 15:09:43 me? none at all ;) Apr 28 15:09:56 Nah, 2, Pre+ and Pre2 Apr 28 15:10:03 The Pixi is another story Apr 28 15:10:20 i got 2, Pre+ and Pre2 as well :) Apr 28 15:10:46 * cwayne has one :( Apr 28 15:12:33 * NuttyBunny has already set them for their purposes: Pre-: PreDroid, Pre+: Main dev device (Messaging plugins and other stuff), Pixi: 2.1 test and dev device as well, Pre2:Main device :D Apr 28 15:13:28 NuttyBunny: its a C3Pre-O Apr 28 15:13:53 yup, that's the one :) Apr 28 15:14:04 PatrickC_Home: that was just bad Apr 28 15:14:11 PatrickC_Home: SHOULDNT YOU BE AT SCHOOL Apr 28 15:14:38 * cwayne still cant get over the fact that he never has to go back to school Apr 28 15:15:41 bbl Apr 28 15:16:20 cwayne: LoL Apr 28 15:20:33 Anyone here can help with alarm service in Ares? Seems to set ok, but I can't make it call the correct function when it's time is up. Apr 28 15:21:52 spidge: If you manage to do it, could you share? I'm about to use the alarm service as well :S Apr 28 15:24:11 I think it's working as a service (hard to tell at the moment though). I think the trouble is I don't know how to allow the application manager to call the function I want it to. If I luna-send from novacom it does nothing. Do I need to do something to register the function as callable from 3rd party app (or appManager)? Apr 28 15:26:40 I haven't started to play around with it :S ... I read this: https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/alarms.html , but haven't played in Ares with it Apr 28 15:27:16 That's the problem I've found, Ares makes everything a lot simpler, but the documentation is all aimed at non-ares development. Apr 28 15:28:33 "uri": "palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch", Apr 28 15:28:34 "params": '{"id":"com.YourDomain.YourApp","params":{"action":"setTimeout"}}', <--- I just assume that we have to use a parameter handler on the app and go from there Apr 28 15:30:35 Ah, I have 'open' instead of launch. how do I make the parameter handler when the app is already running? What gets called with the parameter? is Setup called again. I had hoped 'action' would refer to the function I wnated to call. Apr 28 15:32:11 well 'launch' doesn't seem to make any difference, not from luna-send anyway. Apr 28 15:34:37 rehi Apr 28 15:56:37 hay gkatsev Apr 28 16:04:29 swisstomcat: congratulations! Apr 28 16:04:40 finally! Apr 28 16:08:12 hehe Apr 28 16:10:34 swisstomcat: congrats! Apr 28 16:15:52 sugardave: thanks Apr 28 16:15:59 madnificent: thank you Apr 28 16:16:44 swisstomcat: when will you start? Apr 28 16:17:51 swisstomcat: congrats :) Apr 28 16:19:14 thanks nuttybunny Apr 28 16:26:13 i'm very excited for no reason ;) Apr 28 16:26:48 new job, it's exciting! Apr 28 16:26:53 really? no reason? I mean... HP/Palm? It's a dream for most here ;) Apr 28 16:27:19 i know it's the TouchPad Apr 28 16:27:20 I'm excited and I don't even have a new job :P Apr 28 16:27:54 hehe Apr 28 16:28:00 * madnificent thinks what sugardave said Apr 28 16:34:38 pheeew Apr 28 16:34:40 home again Apr 28 16:34:50 sweet 10.10 Apr 28 16:36:35 I'm looking for a PDK contractor to join a team effort porting an OpenGL game to webOS 3.0. what's a good place to find a person? Apr 28 16:37:28 Maybe here or forums Apr 28 16:37:47 maybe the official Palm Dev forum or PC's Apr 28 16:45:20 hotdp: haven't explored those yet. thanks Apr 28 16:45:46 Is it like "full time work" and if for how many ? Apr 28 16:46:39 hotdp: full time yes. 2 devs, 1 qa, others as needed Apr 28 16:46:54 Ok Apr 28 16:46:56 the game is written in C for the most part Apr 28 16:47:19 Is it a port from another platform? Apr 28 16:47:32 I'll likely be one of the devs as well as the 'boss' ;) Apr 28 16:47:48 hehe Apr 28 16:48:02 windows app ported to iOS last year (by me) Apr 28 16:48:16 i see Apr 28 16:48:29 should be "easy" to port it from iOs to webos then Apr 28 16:48:39 have you investigated it? Apr 28 16:48:54 slapped a UI on top of the C and shoehorned OpenGL into it Apr 28 16:49:23 I suspect that the process will be the same, although the tinkering to get it right will be less (because I know what 'right' means more or less) Apr 28 16:49:53 yes Apr 28 16:50:10 But a port from ios to webos should be straight Apr 28 16:52:19 we're not doing anything fancy with OpenGL ES 1.5 on the iOS side. I don't know how that will map into webOS 3.0. Apr 28 16:53:02 oh and it's the touchPad that sparks all this for me Apr 28 16:53:20 so you want to convert it to touchoad? Apr 28 16:53:23 Has anyone seen on yet? Is it good? Apr 28 16:53:27 do you have link for your current version ? Apr 28 16:54:39 for iPad? sure one sec Apr 28 16:54:57 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-7th-guest-for-ipad/id407814889?mt=8 Apr 28 16:55:10 Ah! The 7th Guest! :D Cool! Apr 28 16:55:23 :) Apr 28 16:55:49 works great on the iPad (except for some old timers that say it goes too fast) Apr 28 16:57:15 looks good Apr 28 16:58:00 omg, I loved the 7th guest Apr 28 16:58:23 I just released the Microscope puzzle yesterday as a standalone game Apr 28 16:58:24 hotdp: why do people say it's so easy to switch from iOS to webOS doing dev? Apr 28 16:58:29 or to port it over? Apr 28 16:58:36 my wife will shit bricks i I tell her there will be 7th guest for the touchpad Apr 28 16:58:39 are the SDKs that similar? Apr 28 16:58:58 the microscope puzzle...the one that kept me from finishing the game for so long Apr 28 16:59:03 I curse thee Apr 28 16:59:09 sugardave: hahaha yes that one :) Apr 28 16:59:10 Codhisattva: And why don't you port it to 1.4.5 as well and go from there? Apr 28 16:59:29 sugardave: I made it with difficulty levels so that it's actually beatable now Apr 28 16:59:50 woo! I had to wait until I got a Pentium-class machine because I could never beat it on the 486 Apr 28 16:59:53 NuttyBunny: 3.0 interests me because of OpenGL and C Apr 28 16:59:59 NuttyBunny: can I do that with 1.4.5? Apr 28 17:00:03 yes Apr 28 17:00:05 Yep Apr 28 17:00:06 PDK Apr 28 17:00:14 either way, it'll be a pure PDK app. Apr 28 17:00:20 yer Apr 28 17:00:25 Codhisattva: its the same Apr 28 17:00:31 The OpenGL support is the same, Pre, Pre+, Veer, Pre3, Touchpad Apr 28 17:00:33 its the sdk part that is different Apr 28 17:00:48 ahhhh did not know that. for some reason the 3.0 info made me think otherwise Apr 28 17:00:57 PDK is my kind of thing Apr 28 17:01:02 3.0 changes alot of how the SDK works. Apr 28 17:01:10 since it switches from mojo to enyo Apr 28 17:01:24 go for 1.4.5 and you'll still have a lot of people buying it :D Apr 28 17:01:26 but PDK won't much, so everything except the pixi should run it well Apr 28 17:01:44 I don't know what those things are Apr 28 17:01:48 Codhisattva: is it lisenced? Apr 28 17:01:53 keith: OpenGL runs on Pixi as well, the problem is with 2D SDL apps Apr 28 17:02:04 well its armv6 Apr 28 17:02:07 hotdp: T7G? no. I'm with the rebirth of the original company. Apr 28 17:02:15 nice Apr 28 17:02:19 angry birds works on pixi? Apr 28 17:02:29 oh it does. Apr 28 17:02:40 cool! Apr 28 17:02:40 lol Apr 28 17:02:42 haha Apr 28 17:02:46 keith: yes, they had to hack some things on the SDL libraries, but it does Apr 28 17:02:52 haha nice Apr 28 17:02:59 The perfect example should be Need for Speed on the Pixi Apr 28 17:03:39 wow, thats impressive Apr 28 17:04:40 yeah, Pixis can run PDK apps toooooo Apr 28 17:05:05 Codhisattva: http://www.webosroundup.com/2010/11/bridging-the-porting-gap/ Apr 28 17:05:18 Codhisattva: If you need beta testers, count me in, and I'll buy it as well! :D Apr 28 17:05:45 NuttyBunny: sure thing (I will) Apr 28 17:06:01 Ah, there's only one single problem that you may have... Apr 28 17:06:04 and I'll be here. I'll need expert advice for sure. Apr 28 17:06:13 The package size can't exceed 200Mb Apr 28 17:06:29 NOOOOOIoOOOoOoooOOolOLoLlOooOoOooOOOOOOOOOOOO Apr 28 17:06:29 NuttyBunny ? Apr 28 17:06:31 But I bet you can download updates and add them to the app :) Apr 28 17:06:32 may be able to get an exception on that, but I'm not sure Apr 28 17:06:50 At least for standard devs, that's the max size Apr 28 17:07:03 perhaps they'll change it when the Touchpad comes :) Apr 28 17:07:03 i have created a 3gb iphone app, no problem Apr 28 17:07:40 The problem doesn't lay on the devices, but on Palm's application management system Apr 28 17:07:52 hmmm Apr 28 17:07:55 normally they don't allow apps bigger than 200Mb... Apr 28 17:08:04 3GB iPhone app is a problem ;) Apr 28 17:08:26 I hope I'm wrong and that this applies to SDK apps ;) Apr 28 17:08:33 T7G is about 600MB of video and audio content Apr 28 17:08:34 i think Apr 28 17:08:50 NuttyBunny: it sounds strange 200 is kind of low Apr 28 17:09:26 * NuttyBunny rechecks Apr 28 17:09:33 for SDK it's pretty huge :) Apr 28 17:09:46 https://developer.palm.com/content/index.php?id=5172 says the maximum size for an IPK file is 200MB Apr 28 17:10:19 Upload your application Apr 28 17:10:19 *Application Package : Apr 28 17:10:19 Up to 200 MB Apr 28 17:10:40 But yes, I'm pretty sure you can work something out with Palm, they're always open to exceptions :) Apr 28 17:10:45 cool Apr 28 17:10:47 to make* Apr 28 17:10:48 yer, Apr 28 17:10:50 hm, maybe ask Adora if it's possible to circumvent that limit Apr 28 17:10:59 Adora? Apr 28 17:11:01 but its not "future" safe Apr 28 17:11:28 Adora or chuq Apr 28 17:11:56 they're from HP's Developer Relations programme Apr 28 17:11:57 adora and chuq are dev relations folks for hpalm Apr 28 17:12:07 official reps! Apr 28 17:12:23 that actually irc. they love the community that much :) Apr 28 17:13:20 ah Apr 28 17:13:39 I've got a Peter Helm for a rep Apr 28 17:14:43 Now let's wait for the "anonymous tipster" to "leak" this to PreCentral: "Exclusive!! The 7th Guest Remake coming to all webOS Devices!!" hehehe Apr 28 17:14:55 hah Apr 28 17:15:09 hahah Apr 28 17:15:27 you're worse than a marketing department Apr 28 17:16:10 don't worry, we can add the magic words: "in the coming months", and that settles it ;) you'll have plenty of time! Apr 28 17:16:18 "What's our ship date? Can we announce on Wednesday? Are you done yet? What's the status? Can you make me a demo video?!! GO GO GO!" Apr 28 17:16:36 hahahaha Apr 28 17:17:23 The good thing is that the PDK is almost pure SDL/OpenGL with a bit of "PDL" calls, so you could be running in a matter of hours/days Apr 28 17:17:35 nice Apr 28 17:17:45 well except for the UI parts that written in ObjC Apr 28 17:18:35 hmm HP says "no size restrictions" and then says install is OTA WiFi or 3G. Poor poor 3G :( Apr 28 17:19:10 ah, yes, you can't install from your computer in webOS Apr 28 17:19:17 at least not officialy Apr 28 17:19:29 the official, app catalog method is over the air Apr 28 17:19:54 well, have to warn my customers on that ("Do not install over cell!") Apr 28 17:20:05 :D Apr 28 17:20:13 hmm i would not mind to get 500mb ota Apr 28 17:20:16 via 3g Apr 28 17:20:28 i whink you should let the custommer decide Apr 28 17:20:29 "7th Guest Ate My Data Plan!" Apr 28 17:20:30 I'm speed capped after 512Mb :P Apr 28 17:21:16 Yep, let the customer decide, install with a minimal set of binaries, then let the user download the remaining info, via wifi, 3g, or by copying some files from their computer Apr 28 17:21:36 hmm Apr 28 17:21:49 Anyone remembers if PDK apps can access /media/internal ? I think they can Apr 28 17:21:59 should be able to Apr 28 17:22:14 but that is different than actually being able to ;) Apr 28 17:22:38 or write in the description of many mb's Apr 28 17:22:53 *how Apr 28 17:23:05 guys...the default music player is acting up if I often click "next" in shuffle mode until it doesn't play anything anymore...any good alternative that runs on 1.4.5? Apr 28 17:23:06 which device should I get while waiting on the TouchPad? Apr 28 17:23:08 You have network access from the PDK so that shouldn't be much of a problem Apr 28 17:23:13 hi btw. :) Apr 28 17:24:06 avarus: I think that's going to be something any app does... Sometimes it just sort of fails at loading the track Apr 28 17:24:08 amigo 1 is fine but haven't found a shuffle button and amigo 2 is only for webos 2 it seems Apr 28 17:24:08 Codhisattva: As I told you, OpenGL works on pretty much every webOS device out there... you can even get a working Pre for $50 on ebay Apr 28 17:24:30 if you pop back and then forward again it should attempt to reload the track and load it proper Apr 28 17:24:45 SineOt, I thought that, too but it doesn't play anything then Apr 28 17:24:51 NuttyBunny: thanks. I was thinking about sex appeal too as I know nothing about the devices Apr 28 17:25:14 Codhisattva: Depending on what your budget is, if you have to get something now, get a Pre2 Apr 28 17:25:39 Codhisattva: Well, the nicest right now is the Pre2 :D Or you could wait for the micro Veer ;) Apr 28 17:25:41 pre plus is at 160 eur (new) unbranded, unlocked here Apr 28 17:25:53 sprint pre: $50-70 depending on condition Apr 28 17:25:58 would the game work on the small veer screen ? i dont think so.. Apr 28 17:26:07 vzw pre plus: $80-120 Apr 28 17:26:19 the veer only has 800mhz Apr 28 17:26:24 Pre2: actually going to be getting official updates! :U Apr 28 17:26:24 pre2: $300 and up or on contract Apr 28 17:26:26 Codhisattva: It's not fixed to a specific resolution, is it? Apr 28 17:26:32 dunno if that's slow but 600mhz in the pixi feels slow Apr 28 17:26:43 It's a completely different chip in the Veer. Apr 28 17:26:43 640x480 and you need to touch little things in the puzzles Apr 28 17:27:03 It's a Snapdragon variant, and those haul ass. Apr 28 17:27:08 ah cool Apr 28 17:27:17 thought they just recycled the pixi :P Apr 28 17:27:20 Having played with the Veer, it's no where near the drop in performance that the Pre to Pixi was Apr 28 17:27:30 Codhisattva: mmm... Pre's 320x480, Pixi/Veer is 320x400 Apr 28 17:27:30 good to read Apr 28 17:27:47 du you also know how much ram the veer will have or has? Apr 28 17:27:55 512 from what I understand Apr 28 17:28:01 I would bet that Apr 28 17:28:03 Codhisattva: go for the Touch Pad and maybe Pre 3 then Apr 28 17:28:15 hmmm Apr 28 17:28:18 does the early access SDK already include a TouchPad emulator? Apr 28 17:28:20 ok, that's enough Apr 28 17:28:31 I wouldn't even target the Pre3: while it's a higher res than the Pre, you're still going to end up with TINY touch targets that will be a pain in the ass :p Apr 28 17:28:36 phoque_uni: Why? you're gonna leak it? ;) Yep, it includes one Apr 28 17:28:38 the veer is way nice in hand tho Apr 28 17:28:49 NuttyBunny, heh, I meant for Codhisattva Apr 28 17:28:54 so he can get used to the OS Apr 28 17:29:01 The Pixi has 256, but dedicates like 64mb to the modem or something so it's closer to only 192mb in use Apr 28 17:29:04 I hope the veer isn't too thick Apr 28 17:29:05 or start developing for it Apr 28 17:29:13 I suspect it does. I don't have the 3 beta pdk yet Apr 28 17:29:14 avarus: its not Apr 28 17:29:14 the Veer is a little less thick than the Pre Apr 28 17:29:22 phoque_uni: No, bad idea, it won't work for pdk apps Apr 28 17:29:26 it's thicker than a Pixi, obviously Apr 28 17:29:26 less but the pixi is ultra thin :P Apr 28 17:29:28 oh, ok Apr 28 17:29:35 forgot what I said then Apr 28 17:29:36 :-) Apr 28 17:29:39 me likes ultra thin :) Apr 28 17:29:40 because of the slider and everything Apr 28 17:29:44 the veer is close to the perfect thinkness Apr 28 17:29:47 ya, sure Apr 28 17:29:49 but it's an overall awesome size Apr 28 17:29:50 any thinner and it would be to hard to hold Apr 28 17:29:58 so funny Apr 28 17:29:59 good point :P Apr 28 17:30:08 almost everybody is like "wow, a tiny smartphone. I want that!" Apr 28 17:30:10 Is it Pre-thin or Pre2-thin? or even thinner? Apr 28 17:30:18 nobody is "get lost, I want a huge phone" Apr 28 17:30:23 Any thinner and I think it'd be hard to not feel like you were going to destroy it when you opened the slider Apr 28 17:30:26 thinner, I think Apr 28 17:30:49 well after all the 4 inch screens im not surprised Apr 28 17:30:49 I'm curious about the pre3 as well Apr 28 17:31:04 the veer was faaast as well. Apr 28 17:31:09 and the pad... Apr 28 17:31:22 the evo 4g is freakin HUGE Apr 28 17:31:41 which means every other 4 inch screen is too Apr 28 17:31:41 here we go Apr 28 17:32:00 no, the pre3 wasn't that awkward Apr 28 17:32:24 Pixi is 10.85mm, Veer is 15.1mm, and the Pre+ is 16.95mm Apr 28 17:33:02 ya, pixis ram is very limited Apr 28 17:33:10 and yeah, the Pre3 while it has a bigger screen balances it pretty well because the device itself is thinner Apr 28 17:33:13 start some apps and it freezes for seconds :P Apr 28 17:33:19 I'm still waiting for someone to put a phone in a 7" tablet Apr 28 17:33:29 Louder|pre, dell did it Apr 28 17:33:36 streak or how it's called Apr 28 17:33:43 available in 5 and 7 inch :P Apr 28 17:33:51 the Pre3 is thinner then the Pre Plus P: Apr 28 17:34:05 Yeah, the Galaxy Tab is a phone in a 7" tablet Apr 28 17:34:09 it's taco talk time styled Apr 28 17:34:14 * halfhalo likes the veer more than the pre3 in the hamd Apr 28 17:34:32 how do you know? I want to see it in real, too! :P Apr 28 17:34:36 the dell strak also has horrible performance and no updates or app store Apr 28 17:34:41 streak Apr 28 17:35:03 mmm... guys... weren't we convincing Codhisattva to develop The 7th Guest remake for webOS?????? :P Apr 28 17:35:14 you were, not me Apr 28 17:35:21 at least thats the last i heard Apr 28 17:35:25 Never played it! :I Apr 28 17:35:47 is that like maniac mansion? Apr 28 17:36:01 or day of the tentacle? Apr 28 17:36:05 HP only brought the pixi, pixi+, pre and pre+ to this small country...no pre2 Apr 28 17:36:23 they really didn't market the pre2 at all Apr 28 17:36:29 but why? Apr 28 17:36:43 Pre2 was a last ditch release by a company that was sinking fast basically Apr 28 17:36:43 "not invented here" syndrome? Apr 28 17:36:48 webos is really great...I'm saying that from an iphone4 perspective Apr 28 17:36:52 avarus: Palm (not HP) only brought the Pre- to Mexico, and Telcel left it at 1.4.0, so, stop whining :P Apr 28 17:37:04 th3vo1d, <3 scummvm Apr 28 17:37:23 pre2 was in development while the buyout was happening, it had a really troubled childhood Apr 28 17:37:24 eh? Apr 28 17:37:26 NuttyBunny, ya, it's called "Palm" here, too :P...can't you use the doctor to get the latest update? Apr 28 17:37:33 Louder|pre, ScummVM doesn't work properly on my Pre- Apr 28 17:37:41 Ouch Apr 28 17:38:01 yup Apr 28 17:38:18 I figure that the Pre2 was basically a "we might die, we might not, at least let's get out a device that does a decent job" Apr 28 17:38:20 NuttyBunny, when I fucked up my pixi with themes I used the doctor and it worked like a charm Apr 28 17:38:23 th3vo1d, look it up if you like maniac mansion Apr 28 17:38:40 which is probably the same reason why a lot of people seemed to whine that the Pre2 wasn't 'enough' of a change Apr 28 17:39:35 how hard is it to install? Apr 28 17:39:40 omg waiting for something that "might" come today SUCKS Apr 28 17:39:53 sugardave: uh, waiting for anything tends to suck! :I Apr 28 17:39:53 Eh, the screen typers always wanted huge Apr 28 17:40:02 threats of violence solves that sugardave Apr 28 17:40:08 SineOt: well, if it's known, it makes it suck less Apr 28 17:40:19 avarus: Even if we use the latest doctor, you have to go through loots of things to get "unofficial" paid app access :S Apr 28 17:40:34 ok, that's a different "problem" Apr 28 17:40:42 that could happen here as well Apr 28 17:40:43 halfhalo: I'm saving the violence for the very last Apr 28 17:40:53 whats the fun in that Apr 28 17:40:55 sugardave: so make it a known! :I Apr 28 17:41:04 it hasn't happened yet, you can make it whatever you want in your head Apr 28 17:42:09 SineOt: hmmm, I'll consider it Apr 28 17:42:37 I tend to just go with the "it doesn't happen" ideal in my head, no big surprises when it doesn't :I Apr 28 17:42:40 NuttyBunny, let me guess...you can officially buy unlocked iphones in mexico where the app store just works? :) Apr 28 17:42:53 of course I tend to also be horribly depressed! so maybe that's not the best way to go about things Apr 28 17:43:37 avarus: No, the paid app access is "hidden", there's no permission from Palm to use it, but if you change some files here and there you can put your card details and buy apps :D Apr 28 17:43:52 NuttyBunny, that's risible :P Apr 28 17:44:19 SineOt: well, I do that sometimes, but this time I'd rather have the positive outcome Apr 28 17:44:22 the only app I bought til now is a twitter client :) Apr 28 17:44:36 you BOUGHT a twitter client for webOS? Apr 28 17:44:40 avarus: the changes are not obvious, and a bit hard to find, but I had to find them to get my paid app access back :D Apr 28 17:44:47 Hey! I use Carbon!! :P Apr 28 17:44:48 sugardave, ya, sure Apr 28 17:45:08 sugardave: well of course, I think most people tend to want the positive outcome Apr 28 17:45:10 I just use Spaz, but I'm not a power tweeter Apr 28 17:45:18 POWAR Apr 28 17:45:20 SineOt: you'd be surprised Apr 28 17:45:24 sugardave: I bought carbon Apr 28 17:45:50 sugardave, it was a recommendation :P... I just wanted to have twitter :)...I'm sure there are free good clients Apr 28 17:46:12 okay, rather, most people want the positive unless they have an active desire to perpetuate their own suffering because it feeds into some sort of matyrdom complex etc etc etc P: Apr 28 17:46:20 heh Apr 28 17:46:36 Twee2 was pretty good, but I got annoyed by the inability to fetch more than 50 tweets at the time, and I often lost tweets :D Apr 28 17:46:49 hehe Apr 28 17:47:41 ".... to perpetuate their own suffering because it feeds into some sort of matyrdom complex" ... when did a 7th guest conversation evolved into this??!!!! LOL Apr 28 17:47:46 *HOW Apr 28 17:47:54 well, guys...you know the tiny bar at the buttom of the main screen, right :)? it has icons that you can interchange :P...can I also put other "apps" there? :) Apr 28 17:48:03 I don't really need the contacts "icon" there Apr 28 17:48:10 you mean the launch bar? Apr 28 17:48:23 yeah, hold down on the app icon, and it'll glow, then you can move it around Apr 28 17:48:26 if that's its name, then yes Apr 28 17:48:30 ya I know Apr 28 17:48:36 but I want to put other icons there Apr 28 17:48:41 right, so you can take things off, and put other things on Apr 28 17:48:41 for the camera e.g. Apr 28 17:48:43 or music player Apr 28 17:48:49 how? Apr 28 17:48:59 same way as moving it around Apr 28 17:48:59 keeping it pressed, it glows and then? Apr 28 17:49:02 NuttyBunny: just be glad I'm not going on about PONIES or something stupid Apr 28 17:49:04 move it off Apr 28 17:49:08 where? Apr 28 17:49:10 avarus: tap and hold to drag it off the launch bar Apr 28 17:49:15 to the "desktop" Apr 28 17:49:20 na, that doesn't work Apr 28 17:49:24 I already tried that Apr 28 17:49:25 hmmm Apr 28 17:49:33 I removed something a long time ago... Apr 28 17:49:38 ha! :) Apr 28 17:49:45 it definitely works that way for me Apr 28 17:49:51 mh Apr 28 17:50:24 yeah, that's what you should be able to do Apr 28 17:50:42 although I WILL say that I hate if you have only the launcher icon on the bar it migrates to the middle of the screen Apr 28 17:51:00 maybe I want it to sit by its lonesome all the way over on the right >:< Apr 28 17:51:11 it doesn't work guys :P...I'm on 1.4.5 btw. Apr 28 17:51:20 works on my pixi :p Apr 28 17:51:21 maybe you need to have a launcher page open? Apr 28 17:51:30 but I don't think so Apr 28 17:51:33 yeah, you need a launcher page open and you drag the icon back onto there Apr 28 17:51:38 ah Apr 28 17:51:40 at least that's what I've always done Apr 28 17:51:55 ah ok so I need to uninstall the patch that hides the bar when the app launcher page opens :P Apr 28 17:51:58 I have the quick launch bar hidden in everything but the launcher, so I kind of have to have a launcher page open :I Apr 28 17:52:01 let's try it Apr 28 17:57:50 Google's multiple sign in stuff is downright retarded sometimes Apr 28 17:58:51 3 gmail accounts at a time, try to view an attached .doc, it gives you the option of reading it in on the two accounts that AREN'T the ones that got the email, and requires you to sign out from the others to access the one that did get the email Apr 28 17:59:03 who designs this stuff @_@ Apr 28 17:59:50 Haha Apr 28 18:01:40 worked guys Apr 28 18:01:45 the patch was the problem :P Apr 28 18:01:47 meeh Apr 28 18:02:04 avarus: uses sconix's patches Apr 28 18:02:19 k Apr 28 18:02:31 the advanced launcher one is killer, lots of control over how the launcher works and lets you change it with some toggles in the launcher preferences Apr 28 18:02:43 instead of having to outright uninstall a patch Apr 28 18:04:03 I'll have a look Apr 28 18:13:25 oh Miller Test you crazy ass law~ Apr 28 18:16:24 thanks for the hint...that patch is really good Apr 28 18:19:47 lol everone is getting repatched today Apr 28 18:27:10 holy moly, you're able to generate 1000 codes for each "major" version of your apps? D: Apr 28 18:27:19 Promo Codes!!!! Apr 28 18:27:54 PatrickC_Pre2: GO TO SCHOOL Apr 28 18:27:55 hrmm.. I wonder if 1.4.5 users can use 'em Apr 28 18:27:59 heh Apr 28 18:28:07 yeah, we knew that since yesterday... but WHERE ARE THEY?? Apr 28 18:28:24 NuttyBunny: go to your profile page, there's a tab where you can make a campaign Apr 28 18:28:39 ^^ they're there now :) Apr 28 18:28:43 no, no, I want promo codes to get apps :D LOL Apr 28 18:28:52 it's live now, under Promo Codes :I Apr 28 18:29:02 hehe I can give you one for mine lol Apr 28 18:29:30 apparently you get 1000 codes per major version Apr 28 18:29:38 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, etc Apr 28 18:29:38 yeah.. Apr 28 18:29:44 Wonder if you can 150.x Apr 28 18:29:59 lol Apr 28 18:31:01 * NuttyBunny wants a PromoCode for PatrickC_Pre2's [REDACTED] Apr 28 18:31:27 NuttyBunny: shhhhhhh no one can know about that yet Apr 28 18:34:15 PatrickC_Pre2: Why not? It would be great if people know that your [CENSORED] app will do [CENSORED] and [CENSORED] :D Apr 28 18:34:25 heh Apr 28 18:35:16 PatrickC_Pre2: Why not? It would be great if people know that your [COCKS] app will do [BONERS] and [WHIPPED CREAM]  :D Apr 28 18:35:52 LOL Apr 28 18:37:33 lol Apr 28 18:37:55 I'd buy that app Apr 28 18:38:31 who uses Universe as their default browser? Apr 28 18:39:00 I need beta-testers for a patch I'm makin Apr 28 18:39:29 NDA-libs, I like it Apr 28 18:40:26 * SineOt NDAs an NDA Apr 28 18:41:20 lol Apr 28 18:42:05 kind of wishing I was a lawyer though Apr 28 18:42:20 so you could make tons of money? Apr 28 18:42:21 there's some iffy terms I've seen Apr 28 18:42:36 PatrickC_Pre2 i am Apr 28 18:43:06 stuff about information release rending that aspect of the contract void for the non-infringing party Apr 28 19:03:04 Okay, I need an opinion... to doctor or not to doctor to 2.1 on my VZW Pre2/ Apr 28 19:03:07 ? Apr 28 19:03:15 yes Apr 28 19:03:47 2.1? Doesn't the VZW Pre2 only have 2.0.1? Apr 28 19:04:03 so, who wants to fix a load of data for me? :P Apr 28 19:04:06 dkirker-pre: I have a patch for Universe :) Apr 28 19:04:29 also, hai Apr 28 19:04:54 it makes just type launch Universe when clicking Open URL or Google Apr 28 19:04:57 I'm testing it now :) Apr 28 19:05:41 that sounds cool! Apr 28 19:06:10 I know!! :) Apr 28 19:09:03 I'll let you know if it works Apr 28 19:09:37 alternative search engine? Apr 28 19:09:49 Universe is a Browser Apr 28 19:10:03 I'm guessing that's a no so? :P Apr 28 19:10:08 * Popple3 fixes data himself Apr 28 19:10:20 Popple3: I would help if I could :P Apr 28 19:10:44 just a few JSON files :P Apr 28 19:11:07 actually, I think I'm best of modifying my original script for generating the JSON files Apr 28 19:11:21 jsonlint.com ? Apr 28 19:11:51 PatrickC_Pre2: The JSON structure is fine, it's the actual data in it that's the problem Apr 28 19:12:08 ah ok Apr 28 19:12:41 I'm actually generating it using Javascript and using JSON.stringify, so my structure can't exactly go wrong :P Apr 28 19:13:45 I've learned my lesson though, when writing scripts for scraping data, make sure you've covered every possibility. Otherwise, you'll end up screwing yourself over Apr 28 19:14:01 heh, is it scraping crap and forcing it into JSON where it shouldn't be? Apr 28 19:14:17 I still need to poke around with that Node Apricot service Apr 28 19:14:28 that thing would make HTML scraping stupid simple Apr 28 19:15:44 SineOt: No it's just I haven't made allowances for particular data possiblities (i.e. multiple of something, when there's only a spot for one in my JSON Apr 28 19:15:50 how accurate are the app download numbers at precentral? Apr 28 19:17:07 Humm is it a bad thing if the Pixi i just back from Palm repair center is asking for a newtork unlock code Apr 28 19:17:44 I dont have a sim pin set up and the sim is from the right network Apr 28 19:18:08 RichT23 Apr 28 19:18:16 hi gaurav_ Apr 28 19:18:17 do you have my Pre3? Apr 28 19:18:27 no its a pixi Apr 28 19:18:39 heh, just messing with you :P Apr 28 19:19:01 oh missed the 'my' Apr 28 19:19:38 * PatrickC_Pre2 steals gaurav_'s Pre3 Apr 28 19:19:53 i would like a 3 though... just wish they were doing a pixi format one Apr 28 19:20:39 dkirker-pre: Review: Universe Web Browser [Top Pick] @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/04/review-universe-web-browser-top-pick/ Apr 28 19:20:42 ma, this is sad. I'm sitting in direct sunlight and the biggest issue I'm having with my laptop LCD? dust Apr 28 19:20:44 RichT23: what do you mean? Pixie but a bigger screen? Apr 28 19:20:54 RickT23: Veer Apr 28 19:20:56 matte screen supremacy Apr 28 19:21:04 also i do hope they do not just release the 3 on bumb assed O2 only Apr 28 19:21:06 no, he means a Pre3 but with a candy bar style Apr 28 19:21:11 not a slider Apr 28 19:21:23 Droid Pro, Dell Smoke style Apr 28 19:21:27 ya candy bar style =) Apr 28 19:21:28 you could put rule markings on the side in case you need to measure something Apr 28 19:21:34 like the 6 mo exclusive Sprint phone :) Apr 28 19:21:39 lol Apr 28 19:21:47 a slate doesn't have a physical keyboard Apr 28 19:21:52 different form factor Apr 28 19:22:46 ah ok Apr 28 19:23:10 dkirker-pre: it worked!! Apr 28 19:23:30 Cool! :D Apr 28 19:24:14 who wants to try??? Apr 28 19:31:05 howdy all Apr 28 19:32:02 hay LoneStar99 Apr 28 19:32:15 howdy Apr 28 19:32:18 dkirker-pre, hotdp, NuttyBunny: sent Apr 28 19:32:41 howdy PatrickC_Pre2 Apr 28 19:32:51 ok brb going 2 coffee shop Apr 28 19:32:51 hey dkirker-pre: you going to break in the promo codes system with Universe? ;D Apr 28 19:33:05 * PatrickC_Pre2 votes yes Apr 28 19:33:11 HP's server names are just ridiculous... h30463.www3.hp.com Apr 28 19:33:46 hi Apr 28 19:34:01 hey leiru Apr 28 19:34:01 hay leiru Apr 28 19:34:03 SineOt: promocodes available now? Apr 28 19:34:07 phoque_uni: probably due to them having a billion of them Apr 28 19:34:10 leiru: yup! Apr 28 19:34:14 hai Apr 28 19:34:16 live on the portal right now Apr 28 19:34:29 so do we get paid for promo codes? Apr 28 19:34:41 humm well lets see what Palm Support say =) Apr 28 19:34:41 funkatron: I don't think so Apr 28 19:34:43 you get up to 1000 codes per major version (1.x, 2.x, 3.x) and can set it to either be a one time use code or a multiple use cold Apr 28 19:34:50 and I don't think there's payment for promo code apps Apr 28 19:35:03 SineOt: do you use Universe as your default browser? Apr 28 19:35:22 anyone who uses Universe as their default browser, and wants to beta an addon for it, PM me your email Apr 28 19:36:22 nawr, not right now Apr 28 19:36:39 ok Apr 28 19:36:41 SineOt, still, you could use transparent load balancing Apr 28 19:36:53 broke and I'd use it most on my Pre2 which is a dev phone and I kind of don't want to bother buying paid apps for a profile that's always going to be on a dev device and never my main Apr 28 19:42:00 cwayne: do you use Universe? Apr 28 19:42:24 PatrickC_Pre2: nope Apr 28 19:42:29 ok Apr 28 19:44:38 brb.. gonna luna restart Apr 28 19:47:01 night all Apr 28 19:47:28 works on the pre2 :) Apr 28 19:51:38 PatrickC_Pre2: Universe cannot be set as the default browser... Apr 28 19:51:47 how come? Apr 28 19:52:21 could that be a patch too? Apr 28 19:52:37 probably not. Apr 28 19:52:48 how come? Apr 28 19:52:52 and why can't it? Apr 28 19:52:54 wait, so it went from couldn't, to could, to couldn't, to could, to couldn't again? :p Apr 28 19:53:57 Wow, I've been putting that off for ages, sorted already Apr 28 19:53:58 this would make it kinda default, when you clicked links, it would still open the stock browser though Apr 28 19:53:59 :P Apr 28 19:54:33 it went from the IPK was supposed to be caught by the scanner to the feature was removed. I won't comment more on the topic. Apr 28 19:54:51 ah Apr 28 19:55:06 ah ok Apr 28 19:55:06 oh well! Apr 28 19:57:33 apps with accents on a letter (like é), it shows up perfectly on the home screen, but all screwed up in Software manager Apr 28 19:57:34 :/ Apr 28 19:58:24 and using é screws up on the launcher :/ Apr 28 19:58:55 any ideas? Apr 28 20:00:40 don't use them? Apr 28 20:00:44 hah Apr 28 20:00:57 I'm all about simpe solutions Apr 28 20:00:58 tell them to fix their shit Apr 28 20:01:02 s/simpe/simple/ Apr 28 20:01:43 hay sugardave Apr 28 20:01:45 sugardave: I don't really care too much about the mess in Software Manager, I'm just wondering is it gonna do the same thing in App catalog Apr 28 20:01:53 Popple3: probably Apr 28 20:02:27 ugh... Apr 28 20:03:41 so can I make promo codes for other apps? Apr 28 20:03:47 lol Apr 28 20:04:19 * oil makes promo code for $100 translation app Apr 28 20:05:15 funkatron: do it one better and make promo codes for free apps Apr 28 20:05:17 * PatrickC_Pre2 makes promo code for NDrive Apr 28 20:05:28 haha Apr 28 20:05:36 hahah Apr 28 20:05:42 1000 FREE SPAZ DOWNLOADS Apr 28 20:06:29 why is everybody making fun of Spaz? Apr 28 20:06:34 :-) Apr 28 20:06:42 it fucking sucks Apr 28 20:06:44 Adora once tweeted "oh and Spaz sucks" Apr 28 20:06:46 funkatron: LoL Apr 28 20:06:51 oh, hah Apr 28 20:07:18 lol Apr 28 20:07:23 2 years, wasted… Apr 28 20:07:28 Spaz will wipe your phone and rape your canary Apr 28 20:07:32 I use Spaz Apr 28 20:07:34 hehe Apr 28 20:08:04 hell, I got some TMC action today on my pre2. I dunno tho, I watch jstop and I don't see spaz doing it Apr 28 20:08:05 I use Carbon Beta Apr 28 20:08:14 but most of the time, I use the mobile website Apr 28 20:08:25 you *are* a masochist Apr 28 20:08:34 soo.. how are promo codes gonna work with the 1.4.5 crowd? Apr 28 20:08:34 * Popple3 also uses Spaz Apr 28 20:08:48 dawm: I was wondering that too Apr 28 20:09:03 maybe an App-Update Apr 28 20:09:04 again us sprint people get the shaft Apr 28 20:09:11 like the one for the 2.x Appstore Apr 28 20:09:16 DUNDUNDUN Apr 28 20:09:16 and vzw, and att Apr 28 20:09:24 vzw has pre2 Apr 28 20:09:48 hey, I'm sure sprint could have gotten better palm hardware if they wanted. Apr 28 20:10:02 ^^ probably Apr 28 20:10:27 arggs Apr 28 20:10:30 hmmm Apr 28 20:10:32 do we think at any time Palm was like "oh shit, we need to keep this exclusive?" Apr 28 20:10:46 I either need a usb cord or another battery for my mouse... buuuut I'm being lazy Apr 28 20:10:49 did someone get virtual box 3.2 with ubuntu natty to running? Apr 28 20:11:06 leiru, no. I switched back to Maverick Apr 28 20:11:18 it's incompatible with the kernel that ships with Natty Apr 28 20:11:22 \o/ Apr 28 20:11:28 don't know if you can boot into an older Kernel Apr 28 20:12:21 one point more to do more rails in next months ... Apr 28 20:12:43 mmmm..... rails.... Apr 28 20:13:38 btw, are there docs on how to write Synergy Services? Apr 28 20:13:54 ugh...gnome 3 would be really slick, if it didn't take a ridiculous amount of time and work to switch workspaces Apr 28 20:14:37 * halfhalo hearts rails Apr 28 20:15:37 idontwan2know, I haven't used Gnome3 yet but I've grown very fond of Gnome2+Docky :-) Apr 28 20:15:46 I like docky pretty well Apr 28 20:15:51 gnome 2… eh Apr 28 20:16:01 granted, it's very OS X like Apr 28 20:16:08 but I like it :-) Apr 28 20:16:15 funkatron, whats the issue wtih Gnome2? Apr 28 20:16:17 I don't think OS X-like is bad 8) Apr 28 20:16:29 oh I just find gnome 2 a bit clunky. hard to quantify. Apr 28 20:16:35 hm Apr 28 20:16:41 phoque_uni: that's the same setup I had and loved Apr 28 20:16:44 personal pref Apr 28 20:16:57 I like unity pretty well. have not tried Gnome 3 tho Apr 28 20:17:24 can anyone point me to examples of apps that use something like a "scrollbar" to visually indicate how far along you are in a fixed length scrollable region? Apr 28 20:17:35 Unity runs horribly on my Aspire One Apr 28 20:17:36 i know webOS ux has avoided this but find it particularly annoying when reading articles. Apr 28 20:17:52 granted, the A1 itself is horrible as it is, but it managed with the old launcher Apr 28 20:18:34 ryanwatkins: Universe Web Browser Apr 28 20:19:10 funkatron, I hate Unity Apr 28 20:19:24 just because it's kinda unnecessary Apr 28 20:19:34 okay Apr 28 20:19:41 could be Apr 28 20:19:43 and feels more like Canonical trying to be bold Apr 28 20:19:50 for the sake of... just being bold Apr 28 20:19:51 :-D Apr 28 20:19:54 hmmm Apr 28 20:20:02 I suppose it depends on what your intentions are Apr 28 20:20:05 Hate Unity with a passion...it's just ugly. Trying gnome3 now...Lots of things to like about it, but again...there is no one click workspace switcher Apr 28 20:20:29 Granted, if you click on an app in AWN it switches to that workspace Apr 28 20:20:54 idontwan2know, maybe you're doing it wrong :-) Apr 28 20:21:14 maybe the workspaces should prevent you from switching too fast Apr 28 20:21:15 thx. here comes another $2.99 Apr 28 20:21:24 heh Apr 28 20:21:34 so you can work more concentrated Apr 28 20:21:43 "There are no flaws, only unexpected features." Apr 28 20:21:52 heh Apr 28 20:22:50 11.04 went official? Apr 28 20:22:56 yes Apr 28 20:23:04 that's why I switched Apr 28 20:23:06 cool Apr 28 20:23:07 only to switch back again Apr 28 20:23:09 :-) Apr 28 20:23:10 I had the bet Apr 28 20:23:15 beta* Apr 28 20:23:57 that switching forth and back amazed me Apr 28 20:24:10 naturally, everything is saved in /home/username/... Apr 28 20:24:18 hey guys, I need some help with a db8 error I'm getting Apr 28 20:24:19 heh, I'm mostly a kde user Apr 28 20:24:19 with /home on a separate partition Apr 28 20:24:23 I just mounted it again Apr 28 20:24:28 and EVERY SINGLE SETTING was back Apr 28 20:24:35 This is the error I'm getting: required prop not found: 'include' at Object.create (palmfoundationsVersion1_0:104:372) at palmfoundationsVersion1_0:179:835 at Future. (palmfoundationsVersion1_0:129:246) at dispatch (palmfoundationsVersion1_0:140:493), palmfoundationsVersion1_0:133 Apr 28 20:24:37 my system is just as I left it Apr 28 20:25:30 where is otter Apr 28 20:26:14 I'm getting it when I'm trying to put an object to db8 Apr 28 20:40:26 rsanchez1: sorry, haven't messed with db8 much at all yet Apr 28 20:42:38 sugardave: I found what it was, I only got that error after making a change to a db8 kind Apr 28 20:42:50 sweet Apr 28 20:44:37 I tried setting the type property to multi and it gave me that error Apr 28 20:44:37 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/data-types/db8.html#IndexPropClause Apr 28 20:46:31 turns out I didn't need to change the property anyway Apr 28 20:46:49 I'm tinkering with it to get db8 search working the way I want it in Just Type Apr 28 20:52:09 the playbook is more webOS the webOS is :/ Apr 28 20:58:22 The playbook doesn't even have native applications. Apr 28 20:58:46 playbook doesn't have an email client Apr 28 20:58:56 playbook isn't compatible to existent bb apps Apr 28 20:59:02 it's ... a play book Apr 28 20:59:03 really? the commercial makes it look amazing Apr 28 20:59:04 nothing more Apr 28 20:59:10 yes Apr 28 20:59:16 it's based on qnx, a real time os Apr 28 20:59:17 If I recall it doesn't have a calendar app either. Apr 28 20:59:22 exactly Apr 28 20:59:27 QNX is the only thing about it that's at all impressive. Apr 28 20:59:33 yea :) Apr 28 20:59:35 but useless Apr 28 20:59:45 I never get the idea behind that Apr 28 20:59:45 I'm talking the kernel and low level OS, that is. Apr 28 20:59:54 they have an os that works quite well for them Apr 28 21:00:10 they even have smartphones with "touch" Apr 28 21:01:23 The reviews are terrible though. Apr 28 21:01:32 ctbeiser, I used QNX on the desktop for quite some time :P Apr 28 21:01:41 in 2005 or 2006 Apr 28 21:01:44 avarus: The playbook, that is. Apr 28 21:02:06 the reviews say "don't buy it" :P Apr 28 21:02:35 Even with the Xoom they tried to pretend that it was a reasonable iPad competitor for someone. Apr 28 21:04:06 well, the xoom is still not available here and there are rumors production will be stopped in june :P Apr 28 21:04:22 because they got something new Apr 28 21:04:31 I've used one, and it's just terrible. Apr 28 21:04:41 ya? oww :( Apr 28 21:04:56 The basic multitasking paradigm just makes no sense and the whole thing feels like it was designed by someone who just watched Tron. Apr 28 21:04:58 heh, the Xoom commercials claim it will be upgradeable to 4G. The part they leave out is how you have to pack it up, ship it to Motorola and have then take it apart and install a 4G radio and send it back to you. Apr 28 21:05:10 doesn't that sound like a logistics nightmare? Apr 28 21:05:26 motorola is a whole nightmare to me imho Apr 28 21:05:33 And that they'll probably decide it doesn't even make sense to make the 4g chip because they didn't sell enough. Apr 28 21:06:26 I'm waiting for the horror stories, I just dont see how this can go right Apr 28 21:06:53 motorola isn't very good at promising _good_ things :P Apr 28 21:08:03 I eagerly await hearing about the ten year old who sends his in, and they return the wrong one, which happens to be filled with pornography. Apr 28 21:08:23 haha Apr 28 21:08:48 or, "we found some questionable pictures and have promptly sent them to the FBI. Sorry." Apr 28 21:10:35 well, in case you find a good 10inch "pad" that's usable, call me :P I _will_ buy it Apr 28 21:11:30 There's the iPad, and then if you're lucky the touchpad will be usable, and after that you're basically screwed. Apr 28 21:11:41 meeh, already have an ipad Apr 28 21:11:50 it's nice for simple tasks but anything else is complicated Apr 28 21:12:02 too restrictive Apr 28 21:12:18 no real multitasking for 3rd party apps Apr 28 21:12:23 that is just disgusting Apr 28 21:12:39 The 1st party apps don't really multitask either. Apr 28 21:12:48 I'm an irc guy and I can't stand it if the irc client warns me that it will be closed if I don't do anything (after 10 minutes) Apr 28 21:12:55 indeed Apr 28 21:13:07 Yeah, IRC would suck on the iPad... Apr 28 21:13:09 totally disgusting Apr 28 21:13:41 I'm using wicd on the tiny pixi and it runs days if I want Apr 28 21:13:52 eh wircd :) Apr 28 21:13:54 wirc? Apr 28 21:14:00 the only irc app that's usable :P Apr 28 21:14:17 ya wirc :) Apr 28 21:14:20 yep :) Apr 28 21:15:23 but ipad is a nice toy...but really no more Apr 28 21:15:55 with my next "pad" I want full control, just like in startrek Apr 28 21:15:59 yeah if you ask the question "what does an ipad do better than a netbook" Apr 28 21:16:08 the only answer is angrybirds Apr 28 21:16:15 well, I used an netbook before Apr 28 21:16:22 they're really two different things Apr 28 21:16:24 I can't use a netbook on a couch Apr 28 21:16:28 I can't use a netbook in my bed Apr 28 21:16:36 I just can't use it :) Apr 28 21:16:39 you are holding it wrong Apr 28 21:16:56 I used to frequently do both with a 14" laptop..I can only imagine a netbook is easier Apr 28 21:16:58 just assume I hold it right I still have a shitty keyboard Apr 28 21:17:00 it's kinda like asking "what can a baseball bat do better than a rake?" Apr 28 21:17:16 it's really not the same Apr 28 21:17:19 or comparable Apr 28 21:17:45 I use my netbook for "car diagnostics" and it's ok for that :P Apr 28 21:17:53 my netbook also makes some noise Apr 28 21:17:59 and it gets warm Apr 28 21:18:04 makes me impotent Apr 28 21:18:09 I just don't like that :P Apr 28 21:19:42 http://www.marco.org/2011/04/28/removed-instapaper-free - An argument for not making a free version of your app Apr 28 21:19:53 it's way easier to wield a bat as a home security device than a rake Apr 28 21:20:09 Depends on the kind of bat. Apr 28 21:20:24 non-mamallian Apr 28 21:20:38 "Maintaining a second configuration of the app incurs direct, significant costs in development and support." Apr 28 21:20:39 that. Apr 28 21:20:55 even the tiny shit I do for the Spaz Special Edition is a pain Apr 28 21:21:15 actually the biggest pain is filling out the HP app submission forms Apr 28 21:23:42 I never understood why apple didn't provide some easy way to try out software like people are used to Apr 28 21:23:54 instead all the devs pull out free versions Apr 28 21:23:58 at least some do Apr 28 21:24:06 which doesn't seem too good regarding this blog post Apr 28 21:24:30 probably because the apps are like $3 Apr 28 21:24:53 plus frequent sales Apr 28 21:25:09 also apple doesn't give a shit about devs Apr 28 21:25:49 exactly...in fact every customer can try out every app they want without losing money Apr 28 21:25:59 that's not accurrate. Apple does not like devs. they give a shit because it makes them money. Apr 28 21:26:00 but luckily this is not widely known Apr 28 21:26:28 Question: When was the last time anyone in any other industry had a sale on a unique and well designed and useful product where they lowered the price by 50% even though it already cost half as much as a cup of coffee. Apr 28 21:26:48 ctbeiser: mmmmmm no where Apr 28 21:26:52 the pricing is stupid. Apr 28 21:27:17 I can't believe that people won't just pay three fucking dollars to try something. Apr 28 21:27:39 but they pay 8 bucks at burger king without even thinking about it :P Apr 28 21:27:42 well, at least in the US. I can't speak to other economies Apr 28 21:27:44 exactly Apr 28 21:28:08 I mean, hey, I'm glad people use Spaz, but the only reason 90% do is because it's free. Apr 28 21:28:19 they don't want to spend $2 on Bad Kitty or whatever Apr 28 21:28:20 the app store ruined everything with regard to app prices Apr 28 21:28:29 everyone started putting stuff up for free Apr 28 21:28:37 so to get to the top of the app store, you had to do the same Apr 28 21:28:50 now everyone realizes it was a bad idea, but consumers are used to free Apr 28 21:28:56 maybe $2 at most Apr 28 21:29:24 it's worse on Android Market. Apr 28 21:29:32 it's like crack: eventually you realize it was a bad idea, but you're too hooked to stop Apr 28 21:29:32 But on the other hand, apps never really made all that money until there was a unified place to buy them. Apr 28 21:29:36 if it aint free, most people wont bother Apr 28 21:29:47 ah the blog also has a similar example (starbucks :P) Apr 28 21:30:37 The weird thing is that even though the apps are now $1-$3 each, most people probably still spend more on third party software than they did before. Apr 28 21:31:17 I don't know, I would say probably not Apr 28 21:31:25 especially if you're a gamer type Apr 28 21:31:26 Before the App Store, I knew probably three other people who had bought third party software that was not antivirus or a videogame. Apr 28 21:31:36 But then I dont think this strategy will be as successful on webOS. Apple users tend to more, know they are paying more and are pretty ok with it. webOS users on Sprint are complaining that SERO is no more. Apr 28 21:31:47 tend to pay more* Apr 28 21:32:20 those antivirus and video game software cost a lot of money though Apr 28 21:32:25 the webos store is funny...2.99USD, I pay 2.99 EUR! :P Apr 28 21:32:49 you would have to buy twenty $2 apps to pay what a good PC game costs Apr 28 21:33:03 I suspect the demos of iPhone users are not much diff from the demos of Android or webOS users Apr 28 21:33:05 and studies have shown people usually have only 14 apps Apr 28 21:33:13 it's way, way diff than the PC side Apr 28 21:33:19 plus you never just buy one PC game Apr 28 21:33:26 There's no reason anyone should ever need an antivirus app. Apr 28 21:33:41 I know, but ctbeiser said that people spend more money on software now than they did before Apr 28 21:33:59 with apps being software purchases, but apps are too cheap to match Apr 28 21:34:07 And I'm pretty sure that there aren't that many people who are like, nah, I won't buy Portal 2 because I have this game with birds flying across the screen. Apr 28 21:34:16 lol Apr 28 21:34:22 I guess maybe each person on average doesn't spend as much, but with apps being cheap, A LOT more people purchase software now Apr 28 21:34:26 And how many people throw away their PCs because they have a phone? Apr 28 21:34:33 none Apr 28 21:34:50 ok, you knew the answer :P Apr 28 21:37:58 The interesting thing is that nobody buys Android apps or Windows applications, wheras on OS X and iOS people buy applications. It's not just that there's a well designed coherent experience for getting the applications, with no risk of damage, it's also that applications for Apple platforms are generally well designed and coherent. Apr 28 21:38:18 true Apr 28 21:38:31 well, what do you mean by "applications"? software sold through an "app store"? Apr 28 21:39:11 By applications, I mean all software. Apr 28 21:39:27 including games? because that's a pretty big market for windows software... Apr 28 21:40:16 I rarely hear of someone releasing a major game on Windows and Mac simulatenously Apr 28 21:40:25 the Mac port may come a few months later Apr 28 21:40:57 Erp. Here. I mean non-game software. Sorry. Apr 28 21:41:05 plus, consider the people who buy Macs Apr 28 21:41:09 except Blizzard Apr 28 21:41:11 but yeah. Apr 28 21:41:12 they are usually designer and developer types Apr 28 21:41:21 or other professional types Apr 28 21:41:29 people who can afford spending extra money on a Mac Apr 28 21:41:35 I think that's somewhat exaggerated, but Apr 28 21:41:42 and these types often need software for their job Apr 28 21:41:46 there are diff demos Apr 28 21:42:27 my thinking is that if you're willing to pay double the money for a Mac, you are also willing to shell out more money for software Apr 28 21:42:45 i think you exaggerate the price differences, but maybe Apr 28 21:42:59 I don't see that around here tho Apr 28 21:43:14 close to 50% of the laptops I see are Apple Apr 28 21:43:31 admittedly that is purely anecdotal Apr 28 21:43:34 Even if we only look at non-professional software, and even add software that doesn't cost money, I think you'd find that Mac users tend to install more software. Apr 28 21:43:57 funkatron: that mirrors my campus..but there are a lot of design majors here Apr 28 21:44:25 the looks I get when I break out my thinkpad in the middle of a class full of them..it's funny Apr 28 21:44:26 Macs are always more expensive than PC's of comparable specs Apr 28 21:44:41 I often see them at double the price, give or take a few $100 Apr 28 21:44:42 not even close to 2x, though Apr 28 21:44:44 yup Apr 28 21:45:05 it gets worse when you are buying screens from apple :) Apr 28 21:45:15 they have good build quality which is why you have to compare them to the business class machines, and not the $300 disposables Apr 28 21:46:02 got the puppy trained, she was digging holes in the yard, made her come inside and told her to goto her crate, she did (reluctantly) i closed the door (but didnt lock it) and she's still sitting in there like an idiot Apr 28 21:46:18 it's true that apple margins are higher -- you can see it in their annual reports. but they are not 100%. Apr 28 21:46:30 but then you can go through five of those $300 disposables for the price of one mac Apr 28 21:46:44 bbl Apr 28 21:46:55 that's fine. they are not identical machines, tho, so comparing the prices directly is not useful. Apr 28 21:47:09 they do the same thing though Apr 28 21:47:32 so do an Escort and a Lexus. Apr 28 21:47:42 nice to read all that and I'd like to continue reading you guys but I'm tired Apr 28 21:47:43 good night :) Apr 28 21:47:48 night Apr 28 21:49:31 meh, I just know I will not be getting an Apple product ever Apr 28 21:49:37 don't have that kind of disposable income Apr 28 21:49:38 that's fine Apr 28 21:49:46 no one says you have to 8) Apr 28 21:49:47 I've found that a lot of the time what you see as an 'identical' machine has some kind of cruddy thing like a lo-res screen or short battery life or a Core iX processor vs a Xeon. Apr 28 21:50:50 generally, the difference between, say, Dell and Apple is that Apple does not make low-end machines Apr 28 21:51:17 Dell does, and also makes machines comparable to Apple's offerings. Which are also similarly priced. Apr 28 21:51:34 I do think the build quality of Macbooks is superior to any other laptop I've used, fwiw Apr 28 21:51:55 or rather Macbook Pros Apr 28 21:53:26 meh, the only thing that matters to me in terms of build quality is if random parts start falling out or random cracks start appearing Apr 28 21:53:30 HI ADORA! Apr 28 21:53:40 HI Apr 28 21:53:43 beyond that it can feel like plastic and I wouldn't care Apr 28 21:53:50 rsanchez1: you should buy whatever you want. Apr 28 21:53:59 hello a-dogg Apr 28 21:54:12 I'm thinking build quality is not so important Apr 28 21:54:26 if it was there wouldn't be a market for low-end machines Apr 28 21:54:32 I'm thinking that's shortsighted, but okay Apr 28 21:54:48 that's simply not true though. there's obviously a market for both. Apr 28 21:54:52 ... Apr 28 21:55:45 hah Apr 28 21:55:59 i got props for typing my email to Kneeland on my pre.. it was a rather long email :P Apr 28 22:08:07 wtf.. Apr 28 22:08:24 google says i have a domain's mail hosted with them, but infact its the only domain that i DONT have hosted with them Apr 28 22:08:42 and apparently its setup, but i dont have any way of accessing it.. Apr 28 22:08:47 i didnt set it up.. Apr 28 22:09:50 that's weird Apr 28 22:09:56 webhost got hacked? Apr 28 22:10:05 nah the DNS doesnt point Apr 28 22:10:19 but its setup at gmail apparently Apr 28 22:10:49 and the forgot password/trouble logging in page just says to contact that administrator.. Apr 28 22:10:50 fail Apr 28 22:11:40 oh nm its a dreamhost thing Apr 28 22:11:48 it prepopulated but its not fully setup Apr 28 22:12:03 whew Apr 28 22:14:02 yep Apr 28 22:14:03 This domain is not yet setup. Apr 28 22:14:04 You have tried to access a domain that has no administrator account. Apr 28 22:14:20 double whew Apr 28 22:14:53 i guess dreamhost gets the process started whenever you add a domain to your account, even if you havent enabled hosting mail at gmail Apr 28 22:17:47 what is the folder where eclipse builds the "PDK"? Apr 28 22:17:57 in windows? Apr 28 22:18:03 forgot... Apr 28 22:18:18 c:\ballsdeep\PDK Apr 28 22:20:27 k thanks Apr 28 22:20:32 it has been a while Apr 28 22:20:37 haha Apr 28 22:20:55 honestly i dont know why i keep using that phrase.. its just fun to say Apr 28 22:21:03 BALLZ DEEEEEP Apr 28 22:21:08 it was something like tmp Apr 28 22:21:17 but there is something missing... Apr 28 22:21:19 Just be careful or it'll work itself into daily conversation! Apr 28 22:21:29 haha Apr 28 22:21:31 AND IT'LL NEVER LEAVE Apr 28 22:21:45 finally.. Apr 28 22:21:47 SineOt, http://e621.net/data/b1/21/b121a2f5cf70149b05bec2d933733d88.jpg Apr 28 22:22:20 ahaha Apr 28 22:22:30 yeah the big one is Celestia and she's kind of a troll on the show Apr 28 22:22:40 no idea what youre talking about Apr 28 22:22:48 a friend of mine posted that on FB yesterday and i thought of you Apr 28 22:22:52 now i can finally close the tab Apr 28 22:23:10 the one getting beat up is a dick on the show! Apr 28 22:23:19 i got that Apr 28 22:23:29 yes Apr 28 22:23:31 yes yes Apr 28 22:23:53 lol dawm Apr 28 22:24:12 I just want to know why your friend was on e621, lol Apr 28 22:24:17 you guys should use dm on twitter Apr 28 22:24:30 ehats e621? Apr 28 22:24:53 hey, its not my fault that i know SineOt is into MLP Apr 28 22:25:06 dawm: furry image board Apr 28 22:25:19 oh, well she's kinda weird Apr 28 22:25:36 i think she wants to be an anime character for realz Apr 28 22:25:44 ponibooru is the MLP image board :U Apr 28 22:25:53 her old beat up neon has initial D, tofu shop decals on the doors Apr 28 22:26:04 Ahaha. Apr 28 22:26:15 Yeah those types are either totally awesome or make you want to act like you don't know them at all. Apr 28 22:26:17 she lives with her ex (who is now married) Apr 28 22:26:38 Oh boy! Apr 28 22:26:41 What a party. Apr 28 22:26:46 indeed Apr 28 22:27:04 and he moved here from Greenland (he's asian) many years back Apr 28 22:27:25 its an interesting situation, but yes, 'make you want to act like you dont know them at all' Apr 28 22:27:47 for lack of a better term it sounds like a pretty furry situation :U Apr 28 22:27:58 lots of cats too Apr 28 22:28:34 http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/268609_S/thank-odin-for-twitter-otherwise-we-wouldnt-know-you-were-mad-about-the-psn-outage.jpg Apr 28 22:28:54 cats are bitchin' though Apr 28 22:29:24 haha Apr 28 22:29:30 <- winning Apr 28 22:29:42 my ex posted on fb 'Boys suck!' Apr 28 22:29:48 i replied with 'Girls Blow!' Apr 28 22:29:54 ahah Apr 28 22:29:58 hah Apr 28 22:30:00 ive got 4 likes to her none Apr 28 22:30:10 good man Apr 28 22:30:11 all dudes :P Apr 28 22:31:21 They're really pushing the Veer.. Apr 28 22:31:37 as they should though Apr 28 22:31:42 veer is a killer little thing Apr 28 22:31:44 Kneeland brought it up in his reply email, i only care about Pre3 on Sprint Apr 28 22:31:50 its a Pixi2 Apr 28 22:32:52 of course, but it's a Pixi2 done right Apr 28 22:33:02 im with you on that Apr 28 22:33:07 fast chip, similar RAM, same chip architecture Apr 28 22:33:27 http://www.facebook.com/Microsoft?sk=app_138547902880674 Apr 28 22:33:32 Big Box of Awesome.. Apr 28 22:35:05 that is actually a big box of awesome.. Apr 28 22:36:13 yup Apr 28 22:36:16 yeah it is Apr 28 22:36:26 I like that they throw in the Arc Touch mouse just… Because they can I guess Apr 28 22:36:54 the focus is one sexy phone Apr 28 22:37:07 crisp screen, colors just pop Apr 28 22:38:14 thanks to WinMo, i have my pre :) Apr 28 22:38:37 my HTC Mogul died the day of the bestbuy mistake. I had no choice but to get a killer deal on my Pre Apr 28 22:39:43 I really like the veer Apr 28 22:39:47 too bad its gsm only :( Apr 28 22:40:07 really? Apr 28 22:40:12 fail Apr 28 22:41:44 dog is still in her crate.. Apr 28 22:42:01 all she has to do is touch the door and it will open Apr 28 22:51:12 AWESOME! Apr 28 22:51:14 http://www.nyan.cat/ Apr 28 22:53:28 whats the word.. Apr 28 22:53:37 http://www.nyan.cat/ Apr 28 22:53:38 the bird Apr 28 22:53:59 BIRD Apr 28 22:54:06 Bird's the word! Apr 28 22:54:51 haha.. and context! Apr 28 22:54:58 I love it... "Lower the volume!!" hahahaha Apr 28 22:55:02 dkirker-pre: you have a bike? If you ever go to bike party, you'll hear that being said a few times! Apr 28 22:55:23 (I woulda mentioned sjbp either way, but since you're local it makes all the more sense.. ;^) Apr 28 22:55:28 NuttyBunny, keep hitting it Apr 28 22:55:46 also there are achievements :P Apr 28 22:55:49 Yes! that the funniest thing! :D Apr 28 22:55:50 hehehe Apr 28 22:55:54 OMGGGGG!!!!! Apr 28 22:56:02 i looked at src :P Apr 28 22:56:09 im at 500s Apr 28 22:56:15 dkirker-pre: did you get my email? surprised that dude didn't reply.. Apr 28 22:56:32 ajay you local too? Apr 28 22:56:40 keith: oh i know you! :) Apr 28 22:56:43 oh youre the indian who was at the internals meetup! Apr 28 22:56:45 sup dude Apr 28 22:58:03 http://leaverou.me/css3patterns/ -- slick! Apr 28 23:01:24 * ajay doesn't understand why he visited that nyan, nor what he thinks is funny about it Apr 28 23:01:34 anyone develop with win7/ eclipse here? Apr 28 23:02:31 dohtem, doesnt work in FF Apr 28 23:02:54 * dohtem just tested a bunch of them in ff 4.x Apr 28 23:03:04 i dont run v4 :P Apr 28 23:03:14 get with the program, man! Apr 28 23:03:22 "The patterns themselves should work on Firefox 3.6+, Chrome, Webkit nightlies, Opera 11.10+ and IE10+. However, implementation limitations might cause some of them to not be displayed correctly even on those browsers (for example at the time of writing, Opera doesn’t support radial gradients and Gecko is quite buggy with them). Apr 28 23:03:22 Also, this gallery won’t work in Firefox 3.6, even though it supports gradients, due to a JavaScript limitation Firefox 3.6 had." Apr 28 23:03:51 they dont work in 3.6.16 Apr 28 23:04:18 So let me repeat again Apr 28 23:04:24 "Also, this gallery won’t work in Firefox 3.6, even though it supports gradients, due to a JavaScript limitation Firefox 3.6 had." Apr 28 23:06:24 ff 3.6 is ancient Apr 28 23:06:44 compared to how much new stuff 4.x added Apr 28 23:07:32 over a year in the making: Apr 28 23:07:32 http://beltzner.ca/mike/2010/05/10/firefox-4-fast-powerful-and-empowering/ Apr 28 23:07:51 and the next few will be a couple months in the making. Apr 28 23:08:15 chrome has done a fantastic job accelerating people caring a ton about the web again Apr 28 23:08:21 apple re-vitalized it with webkit Apr 28 23:08:27 but chrome has really turned the heads Apr 28 23:08:39 and focused on the right shit, like replacing flash with html5 Apr 28 23:08:47 and kicking the IE team in the ass Apr 28 23:09:04 pretty much anyone who has made a browser in the last 15 years has done that :P Apr 28 23:09:12 w3m and links kicked the IE team in the ass! Apr 28 23:09:35 IE9 is pretty decent now... though I only launch it on rare occasions Apr 28 23:09:37 I doubt the Netscape team 10 yrs ago did much ass kicking of IE. Apr 28 23:09:49 IE 5 mopped the floor with Netscape. Apr 28 23:10:13 by the time ie5 was out, mozilla was already decent Apr 28 23:10:22 and konqueror.. got the whole [recent] party started! Apr 28 23:10:42 i dunno, comparing khtml then and webkit now... Apr 28 23:10:46 yeah, didnt webkit come from konqueror? Apr 28 23:10:57 webkit came from khtml Apr 28 23:11:09 konqueror used khtml Apr 28 23:11:24 i wonder how much from chrome/safari goes back into konq/khtml Apr 28 23:11:46 almost none. Apr 28 23:11:53 the webkit and khtml team had a huge spat Apr 28 23:12:02 webkit wanted to share, someone at khtml hated on them Apr 28 23:12:06 blah blah politics Apr 28 23:12:18 i think khtml got mad apple hired the best guys from them or something Apr 28 23:12:21 but now theyre ok Apr 28 23:12:24 Mozilla wasnt even released when IE5 came out Apr 28 23:12:27 and theres a little codesharing Apr 28 23:12:32 weird, the wikipedia page for khtml barely says anything about it.. Apr 28 23:12:36 lies Apr 28 23:12:42 because khtml hates on wbekit. Apr 28 23:13:01 Internet Explorer 5, launched on March 18, 1999 Apr 28 23:13:24 ya, and where was Mozilla then? Apr 28 23:13:28 "Mozilla" is sometimes referred to the free and open source software project that was founded in order to create the next-generation Internet suite for Netscape. The Mozilla Organization was founded in 1998 to create a new suite. Apr 28 23:13:35 remember firebird? Apr 28 23:13:42 ya Apr 28 23:13:52 Netscape announced on January 22, 1998 that it would be relicensing its source code for future development.[5] In March 1998, Netscape released most of the code for its popular Netscape Communicator Internet suite under a free software/open source license, the Netscape Public License. Apr 28 23:14:06 i ran nightlies of mozilla since the month it went open. Apr 28 23:14:11 it was awful, garbage shit Apr 28 23:14:17 but better than netscape 3.0/4.0 Apr 28 23:14:24 I installed Mac Mosaic 0.9 in the computer laps on campus - I know a bit about browser history. Apr 28 23:14:24 and better than ie4/ie5 Apr 28 23:14:36 I used to use thunderbird Apr 28 23:14:41 yea my first was .7b2? Apr 28 23:14:46 I have used it since it was called phoenix. 0.3, iirc Apr 28 23:14:59 this is all way before that. Apr 28 23:15:15 that was the 2000s, this is the 90s we're still in here, history wise ;) Apr 28 23:15:31 well, I USED to use Eudora and winsock on win 3.11 Apr 28 23:15:37 but that was shit Apr 28 23:15:54 * ajay thinks of firefox.. thinks of fennec on maemo.. then thinks: Apr 28 23:15:56 sugardave is a dinosaur Apr 28 23:15:57 mozilla march 1999 did not exist. it was the month JWZ announced he was quitting after a year of trying. Apr 28 23:15:58 ;) Apr 28 23:16:03 hehe Apr 28 23:16:03 HP needs to embark on a major campaign of attracting maemo devs! Apr 28 23:16:22 ryanwatkins: heh, I used to read jwz's blog Apr 28 23:16:28 yea, trumpet winsock was awesome. Apr 28 23:16:32 i remember when he left to run DNA lounge Apr 28 23:16:43 ooh, jwz had that cool animation when you visited his page.. :) Apr 28 23:16:54 i remember his his movie nights. ;) Apr 28 23:17:00 he didnt leave to run dna Apr 28 23:17:04 ? Apr 28 23:17:06 he left because netscape/aol sucked. Apr 28 23:17:11 hes a personal friend. Apr 28 23:17:12 ah Apr 28 23:17:24 and he didnt like the direction mozilla foundation was going Apr 28 23:17:25 IIRC Apr 28 23:17:30 ryanwatkins: nice, i'm over here in the mission Apr 28 23:17:40 i live around the corner from dna Apr 28 23:17:51 I'm in brooklyn now. Apr 28 23:18:16 i was about to say it was a all-kind-of-bay-area day in here or somethin.. ;^) Apr 28 23:18:32 hehe Apr 28 23:18:52 wheres brooklyn at wheres brooklyn at Apr 28 23:18:55 real men live in LA Apr 28 23:18:56 we gonna do it like this Apr 28 23:19:03 heh Apr 28 23:19:08 * dohtem mans the wheels of steel Apr 28 23:19:12 yes, because 'real' and 'la' have always been synonomous Apr 28 23:19:28 hollywood is the epitomy of real :P Apr 28 23:19:29 keith: dont hate on spray tans and fake boobs Apr 28 23:19:50 * halfhalo happens to have amany knifes in front of him right now... yay sharpening! Apr 28 23:20:14 thats real the same way rick ross and kanye west are 'hood' gangsters. Apr 28 23:20:16 * ajay just read the Wired article on "Tron," was actually a fun history piece! (of computing+movies+..) Apr 28 23:20:44 past lunchtime.. see yaz! Apr 28 23:22:31 two left.... Apr 28 23:23:08 halfhalo either moonlights as a chef or an assassin Apr 28 23:23:42 he competes in knife and axe throwhing competitions Apr 28 23:24:16 mebe... Apr 28 23:24:22 ffff where the wd40 Apr 28 23:25:10 ok.. I literally just took a cd out of the drive and lost it... Apr 28 23:25:41 yet he feels qualified to handle multiple knives at once Apr 28 23:25:50 :) Apr 28 23:26:31 OH DUR ITS ON THE KEYBOARD TRAY Apr 28 23:27:39 fun fact: I hate cars that only have a usb port and no aux in. such a pain Apr 28 23:29:09 making me have to buy a song... psh Apr 28 23:30:15 oh my god Apr 28 23:30:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9FRSghXhDM Apr 28 23:31:28 just carry a usb key on your keychain Apr 28 23:31:30 problem solved. Apr 28 23:31:38 i got a 32gb one jacked the other day :( Apr 28 23:31:46 jacked Apr 28 23:32:22 usb key wouldn't help me Apr 28 23:32:46 still have to buy the songs vs play them off the zune Apr 28 23:33:08 halfhalo: no Zune FM transmitter? Apr 28 23:33:33 I use one from DLO, kinda shoddy but it works. Apr 28 23:33:37 I have one (well, two due to an issue with my first) but who likes fm streamed musac? Apr 28 23:36:59 sooo... I'm missing a knife. but I found two more while looking... Apr 28 23:38:00 the one missing was my favwit... :( Apr 28 23:39:28 * halfhalo scared everyone off... double points! Apr 28 23:40:16 ! Apr 28 23:53:14 sugardave: is today the day? Apr 28 23:54:57 * haeffb listening to Classic Vinyl from Sirius in Nerdvana and buying the good stuff from Amazon MP3 on my Pre Apr 28 23:59:39 haeffb: nice pic of Nerdvana Apr 28 23:59:48 the day isn't quite the day Apr 28 23:59:54 maybe tomorrow? Apr 28 23:59:58 dying over here... Apr 29 00:01:58 sucks. Apr 29 00:02:47 yeah, my refresh button is pissed Apr 29 00:02:56 lol Apr 29 00:03:02 tape it down Apr 29 00:03:06 heh Apr 29 00:08:07 haha Apr 29 00:08:25 * halfhalo is not suprised Apr 29 00:08:31 yay! hulu plus finally comes to xbox tomorrow. Apr 29 00:09:08 and PSN Apr 29 00:09:09 wait Apr 29 00:09:13 haha Apr 29 00:09:19 iseewhatudidthar Apr 29 00:09:24 lol Apr 29 00:10:47 hulu plus is awesome Apr 29 00:11:17 i hope it comes to a platform i use that doesnt require a fee in additional to the hulu plus fee. Apr 29 00:11:27 i considered a roku just for hulu plus Apr 29 00:11:33 but the ui made me upset. Apr 29 00:11:39 keith, XBL has no additional fee when Hulu Plus hits Apr 29 00:11:49 they added it into the Gold Subscription fee Apr 29 00:11:53 lately their ads are louder than the shows, just like on TV. Apr 29 00:12:19 WHY CAN'T ANYONE IN TELEVISION FUCKING FIX THIS?! Apr 29 00:12:30 its not broken Apr 29 00:12:34 its to draw your attention Apr 29 00:12:59 yes gold subscription Apr 29 00:13:01 as in, costs money Apr 29 00:13:14 you have to have gold subscription for netflix Apr 29 00:13:15 i refuse to pay for the ability to use services i already pay for :) Apr 29 00:13:21 yes, but i do netflix on my atv2. Apr 29 00:13:22 but its only an extra $5 for the year Apr 29 00:13:27 and its 1080p and 5.1 Apr 29 00:13:27 i pay for gold to play video games online Apr 29 00:13:41 +1 Apr 29 00:13:46 my 360 is jtagged anyways, so i couldnt use XBL even if i wanted too Apr 29 00:13:50 I already have gold. no biggie Apr 29 00:13:58 i got netflix on xbox, ps3, and my tivo Apr 29 00:14:14 and macbook, desktop pc, ipod touch Apr 29 00:14:17 dawm: can you use them at the same time on the same account? Apr 29 00:14:30 say 2 people watching in different rooms? Apr 29 00:14:35 yeah should be able to Apr 29 00:14:39 i can go try if you want Apr 29 00:15:01 sure Apr 29 00:15:08 im that bored Apr 29 00:16:50 ugh xbox has to update.. sometimes it sucks being in their beta program Apr 29 00:17:11 my ps3 was on the dev network Apr 29 00:17:13 worked great Apr 29 00:17:22 until psn died :( Apr 29 00:17:31 the dev network on psn was nuts Apr 29 00:17:41 totally unsecured access to all accounting servers and everything Apr 29 00:17:45 thats why/how they got owned :( Apr 29 00:18:03 dohtem: netflix allows 2 users on basic, 3 users on $15.99/mo account Apr 29 00:18:09 dunno about hulu plus Apr 29 00:18:19 ah, nice to know. Apr 29 00:18:50 but i also own 2 qnap ts-809s Apr 29 00:18:58 screw sourcing media from someone else. :P Apr 29 00:20:04 heh, like a friend of mine. The walk-in closet of his guest bedroom is just servers, nas and fans Apr 29 00:20:06 playing on ipod touch, and tivo, 2 different movies, still waiting for xbox to update Apr 29 00:20:18 and i pay $12~/m Apr 29 00:26:09 ok still playing on the tivo and ipod, PS3 says im limited to 1 movie at a time, xbox360 says the same thing Apr 29 00:26:15 so i guess the ipod doesnt count Apr 29 00:26:34 might i add, the new netflix on XBL is nice, groups entire series together Apr 29 00:27:02 Lost went from 6 DVD Cases, into 1, and remembered where i left off (even tho this is my 2nd time watching thru) Apr 29 00:28:09 now we just need the option to set up playlists. It would be great for watching TV series Apr 29 00:29:56 how do I get a div to be on the bottom of the device screen with CSS? Apr 29 00:30:09 "bottom:0px" ?? Apr 29 00:31:15 whoa? Apr 29 00:31:22 http://twitter.com/#!/majornelson/status/63757719617802240 Apr 29 00:31:25 Hulu Plus TOMORROW Apr 29 00:31:40 LoneStar99: vertical-align:bottom ? Apr 29 00:31:51 let me try that Apr 29 00:31:53 thanks Apr 29 00:34:02 dohtem: yea i just have 2 qnap ts-809s, i used to have servers, never again Apr 29 00:34:12 now i live in SF, dont have the space. Apr 29 00:35:00 he ran mythTV iirc Apr 29 00:35:03 you? Apr 29 00:36:15 so.. it seems the gold sub. price hike was a lie Apr 29 00:36:23 you still need to pay hulu $7.99/m to use it on XBL Apr 29 00:36:36 and you have to be in a gold sub. to use it on XBL (just like netflix) Apr 29 00:36:59 its not a lie Apr 29 00:37:03 they did raise the price Apr 29 00:37:15 ok they led me to believe it was due to hulu plus Apr 29 00:37:27 wo/ paying hulu Apr 29 00:37:33 your interpretation != them lieing Apr 29 00:37:45 well you do get a free week Apr 29 00:37:49 :) Apr 29 00:38:00 ps3 people get a free week trial whenever Apr 29 00:38:08 that is when psn is online Apr 29 00:38:18 i had to bounce thru 3 login attempts to use netflix on the ps3 Apr 29 00:39:27 http://bit.ly/m8kSDM Apr 29 00:39:29 :) Apr 29 00:40:01 lol oil Apr 29 00:41:35 soo, what are peeps thoughts on promo codes? Apr 29 00:42:06 * oil cant get past ugly dialog Apr 29 00:42:11 haha Apr 29 00:42:18 not that i have anything to give out promo codes for Apr 29 00:42:20 oil: yeah, very poor ui Apr 29 00:42:21 Tibfib: have yet to figure out how to use them Apr 29 00:42:40 LoneStar99: hah, what part, implementing, or using them? Apr 29 00:42:41 * halfhalo wants a damn promo code for wirc Apr 29 00:42:51 * Tibfib expects one Apr 29 00:43:02 * Popple3 wants to actually be able to use promo codes Apr 29 00:43:06 wish i could name the code myself Apr 29 00:43:07 like Apr 29 00:43:16 "halfhaloisacheapbastard" would be his code Apr 29 00:43:23 d1$-is-sooooo-coooool Apr 29 00:43:24 so, so true.... Apr 29 00:43:27 hah Apr 29 00:43:30 that'd be slick Apr 29 00:44:01 what was it, one of the sim citys where the funds cheat was "iamacheater" or something like that Apr 29 00:44:34 haha Apr 29 00:44:46 I don't think the whole "not-instant" thing is a problem Apr 29 00:44:56 question. Can a user just hit the catalog and enter a promo code they have and it takes them to the app's page where they can download it. Or do they have to search for the app, then hit download and enter the promo code? Apr 29 00:45:00 me either Apr 29 00:45:06 dohtem: latter Apr 29 00:45:14 bbiab Apr 29 00:45:14 anyone know how to use special characters in app names, and not have it all screwed up in Software Manager? Apr 29 00:45:19 Tibfib: actually have not really looked into them yet, need to revamp an app first Apr 29 00:45:42 the 1st would be smart. Gimme your promo code and I'll figure out what you want Apr 29 00:46:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 just booted Android on his Pre!! :D Apr 29 00:46:36 GOOGLE.. SERIOUSLY.. I GOT THE 10 EMAILS ABOUT CHANGES TO GOOGLE APPS.. GIVE IT UP Apr 29 00:46:46 Inorit Apr 29 00:47:14 ok gonna go jog, chat laters Apr 29 00:47:20 took literally 10 min, and 3 commands... Apr 29 00:47:31 i got one per domain i run Apr 29 00:47:31 dawm: same here --> like 5 google app emails Apr 29 00:47:38 unsuprisingly Apr 29 00:47:42 That's 2 morecommnds I'm willing to run Apr 29 00:47:56 PatrickC_Pre2: I'll stick to running Android on my Desire kthx :P Apr 29 00:48:04 Popple3: hehe Apr 29 00:48:15 I'm wanting to tripple boot my pre :D Apr 29 00:48:21 i think ive gotten 2 per domain Apr 29 00:48:28 PatrickC_Pre2: webOS, Android, and...? Apr 29 00:48:42 Gotten 3 for one domain so far Apr 29 00:49:04 3 for me for 2 domains Apr 29 00:49:27 i got one for a domain i dont even have hosted w/ google apps Apr 29 00:49:33 Popple3: SHR Apr 29 00:49:48 i own the domain, but i never set it up w/ google Apr 29 00:50:12 http://workshop.rs/projects/twings/ <--- oooh! Apr 29 00:50:17 * PatrickC_Pre2 own no domains.. feel left out.. Apr 29 00:50:37 * halfhalo owns to many Apr 29 00:50:58 I'll take some :) Apr 29 00:51:29 No? Apr 29 00:51:42 Some theoretically make money Apr 29 00:51:56 I've been letting some of mine expire. My favourite domain I own though: http://iforonewelcomeournewcyb.org/overlords/ Apr 29 00:52:24 Oh.... I know one I should register for kicks... Apr 29 00:53:01 halfhalo: I'm listening :P Apr 29 00:53:09 ballsdeepdev.com Apr 29 00:53:16 Damn you dawm Apr 29 00:53:22 No, it's mein till I get it Apr 29 00:53:24 ? Apr 29 00:53:41 dawm: you have me thinking balls deep Apr 29 00:53:44 halfhalo: I wasn't gonna steal it... :( Apr 29 00:53:46 hah Apr 29 00:53:49 i was gonna say Apr 29 00:53:56 No match for domain "BALLSDEEPDEV.COM". Apr 29 00:53:56 >>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 00:52:44 UTC <<< Apr 29 00:54:37 Tibfib: the problem with not-instant is that iOS allows instant, so who at Palm designed a new app catalog feature which does not at least match the feature set of the competitor? Apr 29 00:54:40 Need to make an app to screen scrape another page tho Apr 29 00:54:57 hah Apr 29 00:55:07 i just realized where i got it from Apr 29 00:55:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAWeHdIRlSU Apr 29 00:56:34 Tibfib: the other problem is that there is no way to know exactly when your codes go active, since there is no timezone reference on the page. Palm still doesn't want developers outside of California it seems. Apr 29 00:57:01 Everyone loves Cali.... Apr 29 00:57:23 Seriously, sometimes I think the people who make these decisions at Palm simply don't realise that the world has many timezones and two hemispheres. Apr 29 00:57:46 hey, they like oregon, washington, idaho Apr 29 00:57:49 vancouver bc. Apr 29 00:57:56 haha Apr 29 00:57:59 those are all PST too ;) Apr 29 00:58:04 Hopefully that will change with swiss being hired Apr 29 00:58:19 even if it said they're valid 4/29/11 rwhitby would still bitch :) Apr 29 00:58:22 It's like they have meetings and decide things like "OK, today, how can we screw international developers and users even more with this new feature we are announcing" Apr 29 00:58:37 "there is no 29th month!" Apr 29 00:58:56 It can't just be accidental. There are people there who have travelled outside the US. It must be intentional to get it so wrong. Apr 29 00:58:58 * Popple3 high 5s oil :P Apr 29 00:59:27 hahaha Apr 29 00:59:38 Poople its ^5 Apr 29 00:59:40 too bad swisstomcat being hired means no more awesome webosinternals app translations! Apr 29 00:59:51 Fake it Apr 29 00:59:54 unless we want the translations to be owned by hp Apr 29 00:59:56 anyone know how to set the scroller widget to the bottom of device screen? Apr 29 01:00:00 from my visits overseas makes me realize how little of the us knows anything about international stuff Apr 29 01:00:13 i know very few us folks who have travelled internationally Apr 29 01:00:14 LoneStar99: im sure there is a method for moving it Apr 29 01:00:35 My international travel consists of going to Mexico Apr 29 01:00:38 LoneStar99, position: absolute; ? Apr 29 01:00:55 yea, canada or mexico is most americans view of 'international' Apr 29 01:01:02 "style="z-index:50;position:absolute;bottom:4px;" disables Apr 29 01:01:04 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/mojo/widgets/scroller.html Apr 29 01:01:05 it Apr 29 01:01:11 keith: hehe Apr 29 01:01:11 element.mojo.revealBottom() Apr 29 01:01:12 bam Apr 29 01:01:20 oil: yeah, the validity page does use US date formats. I decided to let that one slide this time. Apr 29 01:01:28 rwhitby: haha Apr 29 01:01:34 oil let me try that Apr 29 01:01:49 oil: just another example of how non-Global the people running this stuff think. Apr 29 01:02:10 anyone know how to go about getting special characters (in particular é) to work properly in app names? Screwed up output in Software Manager and I'm worried App Catalog might end up the same Apr 29 01:02:10 from what i can tell, the real problem was that rwhitby announced all the codes, only to find out none of htem worked, then he had to blame palm for him looking a fool :) Apr 29 01:02:18 Yup Apr 29 01:02:23 :p Apr 29 01:02:37 haha Apr 29 01:02:53 oil: nope =( Apr 29 01:03:11 oil: yeah, that'd be correct if the page for each code didn't say "STARTS TODAY" Apr 29 01:03:20 heh Apr 29 01:03:40 LoneStar99: wait, you mean you're making your own scene scroller of sorts and it doesn't go all the way to the bottom? Apr 29 01:03:48 it seems "Today" means "sometime in the future after midnight in some timezone" to Palm Apr 29 01:04:12 haha Apr 29 01:04:40 keith, not too sure about that international bit Apr 29 01:05:11 oil: yeah exactly --> using "position:absolute;z-index:50;bottom:4" moves it down but disables the scroller Apr 29 01:05:27 Well... Whacha gonna do besides time travel... Oh wait... Apr 29 01:05:28 oil: scroller functionality Apr 29 01:05:37 i've done it in an app before but i dont remember how i solved it Apr 29 01:05:47 as a test I've asked people if they've ever left the US and if they say No I ask if they've been to Canada. it's amazing how many people answer yes to that 2nd part after no to the first Apr 29 01:06:11 canada is just americas hat Apr 29 01:06:15 oil: i usually have scroller on top, but need it on bottom this time... Apr 29 01:06:16 Yup Apr 29 01:06:25 Very comfy hat Apr 29 01:06:30 LoneStar99: its probably due to the absolute positioning Apr 29 01:06:35 which breaks it Apr 29 01:06:38 yeah Apr 29 01:06:55 have tried position:absolute and the same Apr 29 01:06:57 * oil hasnt opened eclipse in like a week :/ Apr 29 01:07:03 Good man Apr 29 01:07:14 but for you, ill open it to look at an app that uses its own scene scroller Apr 29 01:07:29 * PatrickC_Pre2 never uses Eclipse Apr 29 01:07:44 * oil used eclipse before webos existed Apr 29 01:07:49 Text the mates. Apr 29 01:07:52 it was just nice of them to support it :) Apr 29 01:08:14 i only use eclipse for webos development Apr 29 01:08:42 I'll use Eclipse for Android Dev Apr 29 01:08:43 * Popple3 uses eclipse for Java dev in college, and Espresso for webOS dev Apr 29 01:08:47 so to be clear, you have a containing div you're positioning with x-mojo-element=Scroller Apr 29 01:08:51 I used it before webos... Apr 29 01:08:56 and a div under it which has the correct height for the content inside, right? Apr 29 01:09:05 s/under/inside/ Apr 29 01:09:11 * PatrickC_Pre2 didn't do anything before webOS Apr 29 01:09:29 oil:
Apr 29 01:09:48 i actually use: Apr 29 01:09:49 div#friendVertScroller Apr 29 01:09:49 { Apr 29 01:09:49 position: absolute; Apr 29 01:09:49 left: 0px; Apr 29 01:09:49 right: 0px; Apr 29 01:09:51 height: 450px; Apr 29 01:09:55 overflow: visible; Apr 29 01:09:57 } Apr 29 01:10:00 Oh god the pastes Apr 29 01:10:18 and friendVertScroller is the widget Apr 29 01:10:41 dont ask why, but that seems to work Apr 29 01:10:50 for my app anyways Apr 29 01:10:55 RagingMind: it takes me longer to get to massachusetts or new york than it does quebec...so it doesn't feel very international Apr 29 01:11:09 oil: ok will try it out, thanks Apr 29 01:11:13 gonna go jog now Apr 29 01:11:20 * halfhalo could be in mehico in 3 hours Apr 29 01:11:31 * oil could be in canada in 5 Apr 29 01:11:33 well Apr 29 01:11:40 now you need a passport, which i dont have Apr 29 01:11:44 3 hours could get me to 6 different states Apr 29 01:11:49 used to be able to go with just a copy of birth certificate Apr 29 01:11:56 it would take me about 5 hours to get to Canada from my current location Apr 29 01:11:59 oil yeah they changed that Apr 29 01:12:03 Lol Apr 29 01:12:05 oil: yeah I thought that was a big slide backwards Apr 29 01:12:05 unless I had a really fast boat Apr 29 01:12:19 in MI, you can get some special Seal on your license which lets you pass thru without a passport Apr 29 01:12:24 yeah Apr 29 01:12:27 you can do that here too Apr 29 01:12:34 but im too lazy to go to the DMV Apr 29 01:12:40 I think most border states have that Apr 29 01:12:41 i renewed my license over the net Apr 29 01:12:45 used my 5 year old photo too Apr 29 01:12:46 lol Apr 29 01:12:52 i have no use for going to Canada Apr 29 01:12:59 but it bumps the renewal fee up high enough that I said screw it and got a passport Apr 29 01:13:02 * oil has friends in canada Apr 29 01:13:07 dawm, not a fan of Windsor? Apr 29 01:13:26 im a fan of Boblo Island when it was an Amusment park.. Apr 29 01:13:29 thats about it Apr 29 01:13:47 i hate canada, i hate people buying my stuff that are in canada and make me ship to them.. always a hassle Apr 29 01:13:55 my grandma told me stories about Boblo... but I never saw it Apr 29 01:14:09 i think i went 12 times in one year Apr 29 01:14:21 it was like cedar point but required a boat ride Apr 29 01:15:08 that was like back in 5th grade :P Apr 29 01:16:02 * oil bbl Apr 29 01:16:07 my family left the detroit area in the 50s, and my first time in Detroit wasn't until I was 18 Apr 29 01:16:28 ok this is messed up Apr 29 01:16:40 i was trying to use google to figure out how old i was in 5th grade (what year it was) Apr 29 01:16:47 and it gave me this as a top 5 result Apr 29 01:16:52 its disturbing Apr 29 01:16:53 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100316114852AAqFyoe Apr 29 01:18:02 ill just say 20 years ago Apr 29 01:18:37 wow.... Apr 29 01:18:54 google.. stop.. sending.. me.. these.. emails..!!!! Apr 29 01:19:17 * PatrickC_Pre2 hasn't gotten any hahaha Apr 29 01:22:40 yahoo answers is hilarious Apr 29 01:22:43 'My teacher, a werewolf, just tried to hook me up with his slut vampire daughter. Should i accept?' Apr 29 01:23:31 'Somebody told me that my daughter is the town slut. What should I do?' Apr 29 01:24:58 hey all Apr 29 01:25:26 i'm trying to help out some pre- users getting their swap to flush when it hits a limit Apr 29 01:26:23 someone else came up with the approach, i wrote an easy to follow set of instructions for it: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/281268-clearing-swap-memory.html#post2948034 Apr 29 01:26:31 but it doesn't seem to be working as intended Apr 29 01:26:59 anyone willing to help troubleshoot? Apr 29 01:27:50 seriously i have a problem Apr 29 01:28:10 i just bought a photo from 01/11/1991 for $13.88 on ebay Apr 29 01:28:26 woulda been cooler if it was 13.37 Apr 29 01:28:46 http://cgi.ebay.com/1991-Dodge-Neon-Orig-Press-Photo-/290520333625?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item43a45c7d39#ht_3629wt_1073 Apr 29 01:28:58 uh Apr 29 01:29:04 its a free press photo of a neon. Apr 29 01:29:10 you really do have a problem. Apr 29 01:29:59 :D Apr 29 01:32:44 so.... i've dropped a file into /var/palm/event.d/ which contains: start on stopped swaphack Apr 29 01:32:44 console output Apr 29 01:32:45 exec /var/usr/bin/swapcleanup.sh Apr 29 01:34:05 holy crap Apr 29 01:34:07 http://173.12.230.44/zak165.jpg Apr 29 01:34:08 which my understanding is that will start this on boot, and launch swapcleanup.sh when swaphack stops Apr 29 01:34:21 i cannot even tell you where that is, even tho i worked in that terminal for 4 years.. Apr 29 01:34:22 what? Apr 29 01:34:33 maybe it wasnt there when you worked there Apr 29 01:34:36 or youre not an explorer. Apr 29 01:35:17 am i missing something? why wouldn't this be running swapcleanup.sh? Apr 29 01:36:18 Apr 29 01:36:25 no it wasnt there Apr 29 01:36:38 but the structure i dont even recognize Apr 29 01:46:01 what up homies Apr 29 01:48:03 bbl Apr 29 01:48:49 crap Apr 29 01:49:02 damn patrick why did you leave Apr 29 01:50:02 to play with predroid Apr 29 01:50:04 it appears? Apr 29 01:50:16 bastard Apr 29 01:50:32 i really dont wanna end task firefox.. but im gonna have to Apr 29 01:51:50 yes i win Apr 29 01:55:52 i got mudkip'd -> http://mudkipz.ws/ Apr 29 01:55:58 but i prevailed!! Apr 29 01:59:38 ain't nothing like 7.5k rpm in the evening Apr 29 02:03:11 Mmmm.... Illegal activities... Apr 29 02:43:40 * NuttyBunny crawls **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 29 02:59:57 2011