**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 29 02:59:57 2011 Apr 29 07:13:17 in the old app catalog: where can users see which updates I've added to the "in this update" description field when uploading a new version of the app? I can't seem to find it. Apr 29 07:16:56 morning Apr 29 07:17:25 "Morning" + "swiss" = should be my bedtime Apr 29 07:18:02 good morning swisstomcat Apr 29 07:18:35 hi swisstomcat Apr 29 07:22:13 hi hotdp Apr 29 07:22:15 hi madnificent Apr 29 07:32:43 what's new? Apr 29 07:33:00 swisstomcat: I'm wondering where users can see which updates my app has in the old app catalog :) Apr 29 07:33:13 and before that, there was a whole lot of silence going on Apr 29 07:33:14 I have a bug after installing the new app catalog :) Apr 29 07:34:24 oh :/ Apr 29 07:34:30 Its kind of funny Apr 29 07:34:52 everytime i pres a link in spaz ect. i opens my "app update app" Apr 29 07:36:45 hotdp: tried a reboot, as a lucky guess Apr 29 07:36:49 ? Apr 29 07:37:02 I will :) and it will properbly fix it Apr 29 07:37:09 hehe Apr 29 07:37:13 but i still thinks its funny :) Apr 29 07:37:38 * hotdp reebooting Apr 29 07:37:43 ah woops, I thought I sensed frustration, not fun :P Apr 29 07:37:44 strange Apr 29 07:40:51 GAH! Apr 29 07:40:55 Its stille fucked Apr 29 07:41:04 "Software manager" lunches :S Apr 29 07:42:47 madnificent: now i am frustrated :P Apr 29 07:46:01 bbl Apr 29 07:47:49 hotdp: ok... ahm... can you perhaps uninstall it and install an old one through novacom? Apr 29 08:47:08 pip pip royal wedding governor! Apr 29 08:48:51 dohtem: the "pip pip royal wedding governor" is a new cpu speed governor available in govnah, it makes your cpu run at 125Mhz regardless of what you need to do rendering your phone useless. Apr 29 08:49:29 *note; the pip pip royal wedding governor only works today Apr 29 11:41:09 rehi Apr 29 14:13:26 carbon has just replaced twee2 in my launcher Apr 29 16:17:00 really? I need a copy of my hs diploma and/or transcripts? Jeez, that's been 20 years Apr 29 16:25:19 lol Apr 29 16:29:57 sugardave: i'd just refuse Apr 29 16:30:10 I've made some calls Apr 29 16:30:57 there's a standard form application I've seen out there that asks what middle school you went to...I mean really.. Apr 29 16:31:05 "we verified everything else about this guy; job history, criminal records, credit report. But we have this sneaking suspicion he never graduated high school" Apr 29 16:31:37 middle school is a little much :/ Apr 29 17:35:42 .... I hate target Apr 29 17:36:44 target hates you Apr 29 17:38:55 I went to buy... stuff... and on the way out the security guy goes "need to see whatcha got". WTH. The whole reason I _went_ to target was because I didn't want to show you what ah got (long story, but funny. and maybe NSFW) Apr 29 17:42:55 it's always the discounters pulling that crap Apr 29 17:43:38 eventually amazon is going to eat most of them alive though Apr 29 17:44:00 yeah... Apr 29 17:44:40 protip: sleeping on the couch at a sorority dorm does not end well. Well, sometimes it does but thats not the point Apr 29 17:46:12 yeah, risky Apr 29 17:48:51 esp when they may be alcohol impaired and armed with shavers. LET THIS BE A LESSON FOR THE YOUNGER ONES. Apr 29 17:51:37 wow..and here I was only thinking markers and nailpolish Apr 29 17:52:28 apparently not at ucsb (fun fact: 150% of all ucsb students have herpes) Apr 29 17:54:54 impressive, I guess their math department isn't that strong though? Apr 29 17:56:10 no, they just have alot of herpes to go around. Apr 29 18:13:25 hey everyone Apr 29 18:16:39 hello Popple3 Apr 29 18:25:27 http://pocketnow.com/webos/white-hp-veer-4g-pictured-for-att-images - White Veer Apr 29 18:25:55 looks 70ies, not too bad I woudn't buy it :) Apr 29 18:26:02 but* Apr 29 18:27:21 I like it but I wish the front bezel was white as well Apr 29 18:29:15 I still don't believe that it's fast :P Apr 29 18:36:30 well, I'm just watching a video and it seems the big ram is helping it to be fast :P Apr 29 18:37:42 *want Apr 29 18:38:38 oww...no palm logo anymore Apr 29 18:39:12 want Pre3 in Nexus S form factor. Thin, curved and slightly weighted at the bottom. Apr 29 18:39:27 :) Apr 29 19:11:44 i didnt like the n1 formfactor Apr 29 19:11:47 havent tried nS Apr 29 19:21:36 any ideas why app submission isn't allowing me to select 1.4.5 as min OS? Apr 29 19:22:20 App runs fine on my Pre- and Pixi Plus on 1.4.5 Apr 29 19:23:14 hybrid? Apr 29 19:23:41 wow, just now heard about the new SSX...can't wait Apr 29 19:24:33 PuffTheMagic: Nope, all Mojo Apr 29 19:24:53 Popple3: Did you package it with palm-package --use-v1-format ? Apr 29 19:25:10 * Popple3 does what dohtem just said Apr 29 19:25:14 I remember seeing that before Apr 29 19:25:26 that would affect a drop down box Apr 29 19:25:28 * Popple3 should use Google before asking questions Apr 29 19:25:29 wouldnt Apr 29 19:25:37 yeah, if you have just type support or something else it won't love you Apr 29 19:26:10 PuffTheMagic: It did last time I tried.. Apr 29 19:27:03 ist the form where you pick webos version before you even submit a file? Apr 29 19:27:03 dohtem: That worked perfectly. Thanks Apr 29 19:27:24 np Apr 29 19:28:04 yo Apr 29 19:28:23 swisstomcat! Apr 29 19:28:27 swisstomcat: harro thar Apr 29 19:32:14 ugh, so much hassle to charge for apps :( I don't have a tax ID number... Apr 29 19:33:09 I think your SSN works (but dont quote me) Apr 29 19:33:18 not in Ireland it won't :P Apr 29 19:33:24 oops Apr 29 19:34:49 Under Irish law I don't even have to have register for one unless my turnover for the year is €75,000 Apr 29 19:36:48 methinks I'll just leave this app free for now and sort this out before my next. It's not like it was gonna make me anything worthwhile anyway Apr 29 19:41:07 man I suck at writing app descriptions... :/ Apr 29 19:44:23 Popple3: Me too... Apr 29 19:55:12 now to sit back and wait... Apr 29 20:00:08 back to twee2 Apr 29 20:39:23 I found the old laminated business card-sized version of my "diploma"...hopefully that will do it Apr 29 20:40:29 howdy sugardave Apr 29 20:40:34 hi LoneStar99 Apr 29 20:42:26 back in the webos game, forgot certain stuff =( Apr 29 20:42:42 time to learn new stuff, than Apr 29 20:42:45 s/than/then/ Apr 29 20:44:19 yeah gonna revamp current apps with mojo, but any new apps will be coded in enyo, but still have no idea about anything "enyo" Apr 29 20:44:37 Enyo is awesome Apr 29 20:45:16 is it totally different? Apr 29 20:45:20 ya Apr 29 20:45:26 k Apr 29 20:46:05 will look at it in about a week Apr 29 20:54:37 how long does a beta app submission generally take to be available for download? Apr 29 21:00:24 i asked this question yesterday, but need a scroller widget to not move with content anyone know how to do that? Apr 29 21:01:15 using "position:absolute" or "position:fixed" disable my scroller widget Apr 29 21:01:20 LoneStar99: what if you created two scrollers, one for content, and one for the bottom part? Apr 29 21:01:31 although then you've got size issues to deal with... Apr 29 21:02:08 Popple3: hmmm.. not sure... Apr 29 21:02:38 it'd probably work, but it would be very hacky... Apr 29 21:02:56 don't you have that if you don't disable the scene scroller? Apr 29 21:03:19 NOT move Apr 29 21:03:21 sorry Apr 29 21:04:53 LoneStar99: I assume you've tried wrapping the scroller in another div with position:fixed? Apr 29 21:05:18 Popple3: well not exactly, but good idea, let me try that Apr 29 21:05:38 LoneStar99: Didn't someone suggest that to you yesterday...? O_o Apr 29 21:07:38 Popple3: nope not working =( Apr 29 21:08:27 LoneStar99: Are you setting the left and right properties to 0 as well? Could be that the scroller ends up the width of it's content? Apr 29 21:09:43 Popple3: let me look into that Apr 29 21:14:11 ah screw it will get rid of the scrolling, just waisting alot of time on something that should be straight forward =( Apr 29 21:19:32 NuttyBunny: ping Apr 29 21:19:42 hey, whassup? Apr 29 21:20:01 * haeffb shipping a fully functional sprint pre- on Monday. Assuming this doctor works. Apr 29 21:21:31 Yeah! Thanks!!! Apr 29 21:21:34 it's at the 72% mark right now Apr 29 21:22:31 I just took the spare sprintified Pre2 apart and reassembled both in their original configuration. Apr 29 21:22:47 so you'll have the comms board and all. Apr 29 21:23:01 oooh! Palm logo Apr 29 21:23:27 now to run the 2.0 doctor on the Pre2 Apr 29 21:23:51 heh, great :D Although I don't see much use for the cdma board over here :) Apr 29 21:24:10 frame it and make it abstract art Apr 29 21:24:38 hehehe Apr 29 21:24:40 ok :) Apr 29 21:26:04 grrr...can't get the pre2 into recovery mode. Apr 29 21:26:53 ah, there it went Apr 29 21:26:57 sure you can! Apr 29 21:27:01 haha Apr 29 21:27:28 hehehe.. the trick is to press up and connect the usb cable Apr 29 21:28:52 is there a doctor for unlocked pre2 that bypasses first use? Apr 29 21:28:58 yeah that works 99% of the time Apr 29 21:29:48 I think you've got to build your own Apr 29 21:30:37 haeffb: there's a easy way to bypass it with a phone code Apr 29 21:31:16 haeffb: dont you just hit "emergency call" and enter ##DEVMODE# Apr 29 21:32:05 yeah, that Apr 29 21:32:21 ok...so use the 2.1 doctor? Apr 29 21:32:44 yeah Apr 29 21:33:20 oh right..duh Apr 29 21:34:00 why did myAppBox stop reporting daily download numbers? Apr 29 21:39:16 they lost track because the numbers were so high? Apr 29 21:40:17 doubt it :) Apr 29 21:41:04 everyone has 0 downloads, reported every 7 days. Apr 29 21:58:32 http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/webos-2-1-on-hppalm-devices-the-rundown/ Apr 29 22:03:58 sweet Apr 29 22:04:07 I think they were scraping? Apr 29 22:04:11 or I bet Apr 29 22:04:14 they were Apr 29 22:05:26 I thought they where using Palm's feeds Apr 29 22:06:41 I may be wrong Apr 29 22:07:04 They got a plug on the dev portal too Apr 29 22:20:45 NuttyBunny: You can get a 2.1 profile on the Pre- btw Apr 29 22:20:51 interesting read though Apr 29 22:21:08 Popple3: Not on Telcel ;) Apr 29 22:22:30 Blah, your blog post suggests you can't at all :P Apr 29 22:24:18 2.1 on a Pixi? Sounds like a task for masochists. Apr 29 22:28:08 Popple3: Only Europe 2.1 Pre- can report 2.1, right? Apr 29 22:29:13 NuttyBunny: Dunno, I managed it with an unlocked GSM Pre- anyway Apr 29 22:29:30 mmm... ok, lemme take that off then Apr 29 22:29:36 * haeffb doesn't have the option of making emergency call. it wants me to insert a SIM card Apr 29 22:29:47 haeffb_pre: Push #* Apr 29 22:29:53 haeffb_pre: on the keyboard Apr 29 22:29:58 I have done so Apr 29 22:30:10 & nothing happens Apr 29 22:30:13 hold the opt key down, push #*, release the opt key Apr 29 22:30:32 yeah, still nothing Apr 29 22:30:49 is it running 2.1 ? Apr 29 22:30:55 should be Apr 29 22:31:00 should work then Apr 29 22:31:07 2.1? it did work on mine as well Apr 29 22:31:22 i used the webosdoctorp103ueuna-wr-2.1.0.jar Apr 29 22:31:29 haeffb_pre: describe exactly how you are hitting #* Apr 29 22:31:39 haeffb_pre: every key press and release Apr 29 22:31:52 oook, got it Apr 29 22:32:14 haeffb_pre: what did you do differently? Apr 29 22:32:20 opt # opt * Apr 29 22:32:40 hit the * Apr 29 22:32:43 Awesome, my first (albeit beta) published app is live :D Apr 29 22:33:06 I was trying the cdma version of ## Apr 29 22:33:12 Popple3: congratulations Apr 29 22:33:27 * rwhitby wonders why people never actually follow instructions given Apr 29 22:33:52 rwhitby: Because people are impatient so just skim through instructions? Apr 29 22:33:55 because the instructions I was given said ##DEVMODE# Apr 29 22:34:21 ah, yeah, it's diff for gsm and cdma Apr 29 22:34:26 haeffb_pre: not the instructions I just gave you, which you then said "I have done so" explicitly to Apr 29 22:34:44 oops, that was me. ## is gsm Apr 29 22:34:58 haeffb: and you even said "yeah, still nothing" a second time after I repeated them Apr 29 22:34:58 or cdma Apr 29 22:35:37 haeffb: now you see why I don't believe anything anyone says when they are reporting problems. Apr 29 22:36:49 so, now that I'm at the dial pad, the instructions for enabling dev mode are...? (I promise I will read and follow them explicitly) Apr 29 22:37:00 ##DEVMODE# Apr 29 22:37:03 Send Apr 29 22:37:04 ;) Apr 29 22:37:10 ha. Not falling for that one! Apr 29 22:37:21 NuttyBunny: unclear instructions Apr 29 22:37:25 * Tibfib expects scanned signed document from haeffb promising to follow directions Apr 29 22:37:45 NuttyBunny: if you hit the DEVMODE on the keyboard instead of the dialpad, it will fail Apr 29 22:37:54 ok, ok... Apr 29 22:38:18 Press and release: #, #, 3, 3, 8, 6, 6, 3, 3, #, "phone" Apr 29 22:38:30 feels like group support in here. Apr 29 22:38:30 NuttyBunny: again, wrong. Apr 29 22:38:35 where's the comma key? Apr 29 22:38:35 ouch Apr 29 22:38:38 Green phone? ;( Apr 29 22:38:45 NuttyBunny: ## is wrong Apr 29 22:39:07 Wasn't it cdma? Apr 29 22:39:08 is there no-one in the world who have give or follow precise instructions? Apr 29 22:39:18 that was pretty precise. just incorrect Apr 29 22:39:19 #*DEVMODE# Apr 29 22:39:20 cdma=##, GSM=#* Apr 29 22:39:21 s/have/give/ Apr 29 22:39:34 Tibfib: good point. correct precise instructions Apr 29 22:39:43 never mind, I just threw the phone into the fire. Good riddance. Apr 29 22:39:55 haeffb: best solution at this point, yes. Apr 29 22:40:37 * NuttyBunny returns to installing shr as a third boot option ... head down.. ;) Apr 29 22:41:27 How Enterprise does JSON - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2498834 Apr 29 22:41:43 rwhitby, et al., Thanks! Apr 29 22:42:10 * Tibfib brings the happy back: http://thedesigninspiration.com/articles/70-cutie-baby-animals-bring-your-a-good-mood/ Apr 29 22:42:15 the phone is only slightly scorched and running 2.1 Apr 29 22:43:27 Good thing it has that "Gorilla Glass" ;) Apr 29 22:44:33 So this geo-restrictions on promo codes - have any US developers got hate mail from non-US people about not being able to use them? Or are the US developers meticulously creating codes for each country individually? Apr 29 22:44:43 bah, this will take longer than I thought... shr will have to wait :) Apr 29 22:44:55 rwhitby: Some developers are silently ignoring pleas for help Apr 29 22:45:30 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-app-promo-codes/281349-promo-code-gnews-w-exhibition.html Apr 29 22:46:09 sugardave: on scene setup " this.modelAva.value = BasCookie.cookies.someCookie.dough.avatar;" should display value of cookie value is that right? Apr 29 22:46:20 Tibfib: I'm happy again, thanks Apr 29 22:47:03 NuttyBunny: promo code expired Apr 29 22:50:03 NuttyBunny: I reckon Palm app catalog folks must have specific meetings to plan new ways to screw international developers and users. Apr 29 22:50:35 rwhitby: how could they have allowed promo codes that aren't geo-restricted? Apr 29 22:50:51 Tibfib: allow you to select more than one country for redemption of your code Apr 29 22:50:52 rwhitby: As ironically as that sounds, you just made my day with a sincere laugh :D Apr 29 22:51:14 rwhitby: okay, that's a fair point.. but not a big deal Apr 29 22:51:21 imo of course Apr 29 22:51:25 Tibfib: "not a big deal" - you're joking, right? Apr 29 22:51:33 that particular issue, no Apr 29 22:51:40 I don't care that I have to specify country Apr 29 22:51:56 OK, you're a developer. You want to give 50 codes away, and you don't care who gets them. How are you going to do it? Apr 29 22:52:14 I don't want to give 50 codes away. Apr 29 22:52:25 I don't like throwing out random promo codes Apr 29 22:52:29 so that doesn't apply to me Apr 29 22:52:36 I guess I should preface, not a big deal to me. Apr 29 22:53:04 Tibfib: ok, you want to give a code to joe.bloggs@gmail.com Apr 29 22:53:10 how do you do it? Apr 29 22:53:18 ask him his country and then generate it Apr 29 22:53:25 exactly. Apr 29 22:53:34 ? Apr 29 22:53:41 You run a contest, and there are 50 winners. Apr 29 22:53:44 what's the problem with that? Apr 29 22:53:47 How do you get them their codes. Apr 29 22:54:08 generate 50 of each country... then ask them what country they have when you give them their code Apr 29 22:54:22 howdy Apr 29 22:54:27 Tibfib: so you've just used up more of your limited number of codes than you needed to. Apr 29 22:54:41 why would I need more since I'm only do a contest of 50? Apr 29 22:54:57 why would I do lots of contests? Apr 29 22:54:59 You generated 400 codes, not 50. Apr 29 22:55:07 yes Apr 29 22:55:09 "generate 50 of each country" Apr 29 22:55:15 you only have 1000 total to give Apr 29 22:55:19 per major version Apr 29 22:55:23 right? Apr 29 22:55:23 yep. Apr 29 22:55:38 So you've just used up 40% instead of 5% Apr 29 22:55:44 no, he only used 50 Apr 29 22:55:50 * NuttyBunny imagines Tibfib releasing a "major version" of Koto every week Apr 29 22:55:51 he still has 350 sitting around Apr 29 22:55:56 correct Apr 29 22:55:59 haeffb: no, he generated 50 for each country Apr 29 22:56:01 or are they time-limited Apr 29 22:56:02 ? Apr 29 22:56:07 haeffb: good question Apr 29 22:56:25 so now you have to set a time limit on when the winners can redeem their coce Apr 29 22:56:28 code Apr 29 22:56:35 so you can get the unused codes back Apr 29 22:56:46 wha? Apr 29 22:56:51 oh, and what if the winner gives the code to 49 of his friends in each country Apr 29 22:57:04 * ajay also imagined version number bumps fast and furious, but.. who wants to give away more than 1000 copies of their app? Apr 29 22:57:05 I generated 400 unique Apr 29 22:57:17 * haeffb hasn't even looked into how the codes work at all... Apr 29 22:57:19 Tibfib: so you clicked the website 400 times? Apr 29 22:57:25 not sure how it works tbh Apr 29 22:57:34 Tibfib: instead of clicking once to get 50 global codes Apr 29 22:57:43 (one code, able to be used 50 times globally) Apr 29 22:57:53 wouldn't I just ahve to click 8 times? or however many countries there are? Apr 29 22:58:14 since this is a contest, we want unique codes, not 1 code for 50 peeps Apr 29 22:58:37 otherwise we have to worry about code piracy Apr 29 22:58:41 exactly Apr 29 22:58:56 oo.. but maybe if you have an app you really want to be free (lookin at you, Opera & RockMelt), give away codes like candy.. :) maybe now we can convince more ppl to port :) Apr 29 22:59:45 When creating a promo campaign, you can control when the campaign begins and ends, which app it applies to, and which country it applies to. For a major version of your app (e.g., 1.0, 2.0), you may give away up to 1,000 copies. Apr 29 23:00:06 haeffb: correct. but you can't specify multiple countries for a code Apr 29 23:00:42 so if you're doing a "free giveaway" like lots of devs are doing right now, you're going to piss off some of your customers (see the link that NuttyBunny posted) Apr 29 23:00:44 which unless you like to blindly throw out a 50 use code, which most don't find effective, you are fine Apr 29 23:00:57 * ajay thinks this whole code thing sounds like a disaster (death by complication).. codes per country? ich.. Apr 29 23:01:07 ajay: exactly Apr 29 23:01:18 * haeffb will just keep charging... Apr 29 23:01:25 a disaster? that's a bit of an exageration Apr 29 23:01:28 how am i supposed to know what country my users are in? Apr 29 23:01:38 and why should i even care Apr 29 23:01:49 Richard Kerris (monday): We're going to remove geo-restrictions. Promo codes (tuesday): We're adding new ways to geo-restrict things. Apr 29 23:01:56 hahaha Apr 29 23:02:18 sigh Apr 29 23:02:22 it gives them more satisfaction to be able to remove geo-restrictions from more stuff. Apr 29 23:02:30 maybe we've gotten to that place where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing? go go mega-corps! Apr 29 23:02:34 the more stuff they geo-restrict, the more they can remove! Apr 29 23:02:35 Tibfib: clearly you won't care about this, since you're in the promised land. Apr 29 23:02:45 haeffb_pre: u so crzy! :) Apr 29 23:02:49 lol. Apr 29 23:03:23 * ajay wonders if he should see a special light for bein in the promised land.. can't find it.. Apr 29 23:03:31 my phone keeps ringing and distracting me Apr 29 23:03:32 rwhitby: I think the geo-restriction is stupid. It hurts me as a developer, and those webOS users Apr 29 23:03:56 Tibfib: yet you're happy for it to be extended to promo codes Apr 29 23:04:01 * ajay wonders.. if webOS gets to every country, you can make promo codes for like 200 countries? wow.. Apr 29 23:04:07 rwhitby: the thing is, I don't really see the promo codes as being any more geo-restricted than what is currently happening Apr 29 23:04:19 Tibfib: I can't even see my own apps in the app catalog, and I'm a country with app catalog. Beat that :P Apr 29 23:04:35 * haeffb might just double the price on all my apps to protest the geo-restricted promo codes. Apr 29 23:04:42 Tibfib: so you think geo-restrictions are stupid, but are happy for them to be applied in the same way to all new things released Apr 29 23:04:58 when the geo-restriction paid apps goes away, the promo codes should get fixed too Apr 29 23:05:02 *I'm in a country Apr 29 23:05:06 rwhitby: that's not even close to what I said. Apr 29 23:05:12 * Popple3 is definitely not a country Apr 29 23:05:13 Tibfib: making the existing system entrenched/worse isn't moving us toward better Apr 29 23:05:23 ajay: tis a good point Apr 29 23:05:46 woa, i didn't think that'd even make sense. nice. :) Apr 29 23:05:53 ajay: and in the meantime is just further alienating the global customers that HP would like to purchase the next device. which is bad for developers. Apr 29 23:06:16 rwhitby: you should go on a hunger-strike. that will teach them. Apr 29 23:06:35 of course, as I've said before, it matters not what HP does to current customers, cause if current customers matter at all in the grand scheme of things, then the game is already lost. Apr 29 23:06:47 eek Apr 29 23:06:56 * ajay likes to think he matters Apr 29 23:07:11 you don't, and neither do any of us here. Apr 29 23:07:14 yeha, that's pretty true Apr 29 23:07:34 imo, current customers matter, but only in that they're potential future customers Apr 29 23:07:40 oh that reminds me did anyone here buy ndrive? that seems like a good rev src for hpalm (30% of $50.. sounds clean.) Apr 29 23:07:47 (and they're still screwing that up) Apr 29 23:08:00 altho, I think developers matter a bit, and webos-internals and its efforts do Apr 29 23:08:01 Popple3: due to the app store, all customers are revenue-generators Apr 29 23:08:07 Popple3: well, the majority of current customers are 1.4.5 on Sprint. Apr 29 23:08:08 (potential) Apr 29 23:08:20 * haeffb is just waiting for HP to "make it right" for my Sprint Pre- Apr 29 23:08:25 Popple3: so you can see how important those folks are to HP by HP's actions towards them Apr 29 23:08:49 rwhitby: Sprint doesn't sound like HP's fault to me (from the discussion during your meetup) Apr 29 23:09:20 ajay: I doubt the app store generates much revenue considering the costs of running it Apr 29 23:09:33 haeffb: do you think phones generate more revenue? Apr 29 23:09:36 haeffb: that's a sad thought Apr 29 23:10:08 haeffb: my point was that current customers are future customers even if they don't buy a new device.. it's like video games, the profit's not really in the hardware Apr 29 23:10:16 my apps probably don't generate enough revenue to pay for the time spent reviewing the updates... :( Apr 29 23:10:40 ajay: the current customers are so few and so angry that HP probably would prefer that they not be future customers Apr 29 23:11:38 I don't know about that... I know of three other people at work with Sprint webOS devices and they have no clue that they even should be angry. Apr 29 23:11:44 rwhitby: that would be short-sighted of HP. Get rid of us and you don't move forward. I don't buy that it's good for webOS or HP to be rid of all currents Apr 29 23:11:47 they just use the phones. Apr 29 23:11:53 anyways, angry can be dealt with Apr 29 23:12:17 haeffb: yeah, but those some people are the ones who will not even know when a new webOS phone is released Apr 29 23:12:50 I think they'd be much more likely to know a new phone is out Apr 29 23:12:59 plus, if they actually make things right (I'm skeptical) with vouchers for touchpad/veers/pre3's.. that will really affect the angry Apr 29 23:13:01 true, but the key is that there be a webOS option when they go to replace the phone. They don't care when it was released Apr 29 23:13:18 actually. I take it back. Apr 29 23:13:45 if there's no webOS option, they'll just move on. If there is an option, then webOS at least has a chance Apr 29 23:14:02 but from posts from palm employees, they don't sound all that generous even to devs, so i'm skeptical that they'll come through for current customers. and i can only hope current discussion of their disdain for currents is completely offbase Apr 29 23:14:31 I think they care about current developers Apr 29 23:14:49 well. Apr 29 23:14:55 kind of. Apr 29 23:16:35 hey can the wizards in here make a front-end for the node.js sftp client? Apr 29 23:17:44 Tibfib: I think the people in the company who actually interact with developers genuinely care deeply about them. Apr 29 23:17:59 rwhitby: I agree completely Apr 29 23:18:09 Tibfib: I think the executive decision makers are intentionally making toxic decisions to get rid of current customers. Apr 29 23:18:20 i don't completely agree Apr 29 23:18:23 heh, that I don't agree with Apr 29 23:19:02 Tibfib: the actions that are happening are clear. It's either intentional decisions, or incredibly ineffectual execution. Apr 29 23:19:28 I guess i'd say that sometimes the people are well-intentioned, but partially because they're understaffed, and partially because they're pushed (or feel pushed) to cut costs, they make bad decisions Apr 29 23:19:41 I can't believe the execution people can get things so wrong, so it has to be the decisions which are causing these actions. Apr 29 23:20:12 like how the email group has supposedly never been given a mandate to do threaded/conversation view in email, probably because the people above thing it's too hard Apr 29 23:21:35 like how the calendar doesn't have an agenda view Apr 29 23:21:52 to which actions are you referring, rwhitby ? Apr 29 23:22:22 haeffb: wasn't trying to start a list of missing actions, more about intentions/why poor execution is there.. Apr 29 23:22:43 * ajay was thinking today palm should really open source classic.. i needs some apps that don't work under current classic! :( Apr 29 23:23:57 * haeffb needs a database/spreadsheet that I can feed in monthly sales reports and query by app, version, month, etc... Apr 29 23:24:17 that'd be cool Apr 29 23:24:29 a database. Spreadsheet is just unwieldy Apr 29 23:24:35 unweildy? Apr 29 23:24:42 nah, the first one Apr 29 23:24:58 wow my icon is blurry :/ Apr 29 23:28:06 so, what's an equivalent to Access for ubuntu? Apr 29 23:29:04 LibreOffice has.. something. Apr 29 23:30:32 What res is the app icons supposed to be...? :/ Apr 29 23:33:28 64x64 I think Apr 29 23:33:42 you need a different size for the app catalog too Apr 29 23:34:07 OpenOffice.org Database Apr 29 23:34:29 64x64 for app, 48x48 and 64x64 for app catalog? Apr 29 23:35:39 * ajay needs a way to make voogle the default dialler app.. :( Apr 29 23:44:29 reboot, brb Apr 30 01:17:01 oh yeah btw Apr 30 01:17:02 http://nyan.cat/ Apr 30 01:17:06 ;D Apr 30 01:21:16 Curse you… I was in the middle of a gentoo install and I've just spent the last three minutes watching nyan cat. And I'm not done yet. Apr 30 01:21:37 wait atleast 7 minutes Apr 30 01:21:41 theres an achivement :) Apr 30 01:22:22 I clicked the lower the volume button a bunch of times and now it's flashing colors too. Apr 30 01:22:49 at 420s it changes to rasta nyan cat Apr 30 01:23:01 theres also one for 9001 seconds Apr 30 01:23:10 I'm not going to 9001. Apr 30 01:23:30 yeah thats just over 2.5hrs Apr 30 01:23:52 I would if I could mute it and still listen to real music. Apr 30 01:25:17 Alright, that's 400... Apr 30 01:25:46 Totally not worth it. Apr 30 01:27:17 just whatever you do dont goto http://www.mudkipz.ws Apr 30 01:27:42 DON'"T Apr 30 01:28:04 Curse you. Apr 30 01:28:34 i clearly said not to Apr 30 01:28:56 I skipped to the end, and... Apr 30 01:29:16 SLOBRO Apr 30 01:29:32 Darnit it won't let me close the windoowwwww Apr 30 01:29:59 if your in chrome you can endtask the tab Apr 30 01:30:04