**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 30 02:59:58 2011
Apr 30 03:11:01 <oil> rwhitby: thinking it would be up BEFORE launch?
Apr 30 03:11:10 <oil> it took what, 4 months for the pre2?
Apr 30 03:13:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay all
Apr 30 03:15:58 <rwhitby> oil: true. what was I thinking
Apr 30 03:16:06 <oil> haha
Apr 30 03:19:03 <rwhitby> gah, my Pre 2 keyboard is packing up. I need to do a keyboard swap between my two Pre 2 devices.
Apr 30 03:20:08 <oil> one of mine has a bad space key
Apr 30 03:20:29 <rwhitby> hmm - alternatively I could take the comms board out of my old Pre+ and put it in the Pre 2.  Then I don't have to open the other Pre 2.
Apr 30 03:20:39 <rwhitby> yeah, that's safer.
Apr 30 03:21:06 <ctbeiser> You could get the HP™ webOS™ bluetooth keyboard™
Apr 30 03:21:41 <oil> yeah, the one with the broken kb for me is the one i never opened haha
Apr 30 03:21:51 <oil> the one wi bought
Apr 30 03:25:04 <oil> maybe i should transplant the kb from a minus to it
Apr 30 03:26:18 <ctbeiser> Then you get the bonus of the orange button.
Apr 30 03:26:26 <oil> true
Apr 30 03:26:43 <ctbeiser> But I thought they said they had made improvements with the 2.
Apr 30 05:59:54 <halfhalo> *Evil Laugh*
Apr 30 07:16:54 <dkirker> Adora: I'm sad. :( There is either a bug in webOS 1.4.5 that prevents ajax requests from working the way that I want, or a bug in webOS 2.0 that keeps them from working to spec. Either way, Google Bookmark sync does not work in webOS 1.4.5 but does in 2.0+.
Apr 30 07:20:41 <Adora> dkirker:  you work here, fix the bug  =]
Apr 30 07:20:49 <dkirker> hehe
Apr 30 07:20:51 <dkirker> well...
Apr 30 07:21:41 <dkirker> I actually think it is a bug in webOS 2.0. XMLHTTPRequest is supposed to follow 302 redirects. In 2.0 it doesn't, which means that I can get the right tokens that I need. :/
Apr 30 07:33:05 <dkirker> Ah, well. Still have Delicious and Firefox Sync to support.
Apr 30 07:33:50 <dkirker> webOS 2 users will hopefully get Google Bookmark support, provided that Google hasn't broken anything recently...
Apr 30 07:53:12 <Popple3> so, who wants to try break my app? :P
Apr 30 07:53:52 <Popple3> (and give me whatever pointers they have)
Apr 30 07:54:04 <Adora> dkirker:  waitaminute.  So the only reason it works is because of a bug?
Apr 30 07:54:24 <dkirker> Adora: I think so... It seems.
Apr 30 07:54:29 * Adora facehp
Apr 30 07:54:33 <dkirker> heh
Apr 30 07:54:35 <Popple3> lol
Apr 30 07:55:04 <dkirker> I could swear that I had it working on webOS 1.4.5 before...
Apr 30 07:55:20 <dkirker> I wonder if I could still make it work...
Apr 30 07:55:35 <Adora> you are clever.  I have faith in you.  =]
Apr 30 07:56:24 * dkirker pokes Google with a stick some more
Apr 30 07:57:59 * Popple3 should really save a copy of the Mojo CSS files on my desktop instead of using novaterm and vi all the time
Apr 30 07:59:22 <dkirker> WAIT!
Apr 30 07:59:29 <dkirker> I *think* this *might* work
Apr 30 07:59:37 <hotdp> dkirker:
Apr 30 07:59:42 <hotdp> I need your help :)
Apr 30 07:59:45 <hotdp> pm?
Apr 30 08:01:24 <dkirker> Adora: I think it will work! :D
Apr 30 08:02:39 <Adora> the power of faith!
Apr 30 08:03:49 <dkirker> we'll see in about 5 minutes
Apr 30 08:04:15 <Xuzz> dkirker: bought universe finally :D
Apr 30 08:04:36 <dkirker> Xuzz: YAY! :D
Apr 30 08:06:40 <Xuzz> question: does "google bookmarks" mean "chrome sync"
Apr 30 08:06:42 <Xuzz> ?
Apr 30 08:09:39 <dkirker> Xuzz: Probably not. I tried Chrome Sync on Chrome on my Mac and realized it didn't sync my Google Bookmarks.
Apr 30 08:09:48 <Xuzz> okay :(
Apr 30 08:09:54 <Popple3> aw :(
Apr 30 08:10:12 <Xuzz> I think Android syncs those bookmarks, but I've tried to find a method on webOS, iOS, and Windows Phone 7 and had... no success :|.
Apr 30 08:11:18 <dkirker> yeah... I was hoping to switch to Google Chrome
Apr 30 08:12:01 <dkirker> ok, let's hope that Safari is reporting these headers correctly and not sneaking anything in!
Apr 30 08:12:06 <Xuzz> "The mechanics are complicated and there is no high-level documentation that describes Chrome's synchronization architecture."
Apr 30 08:12:07 <stbuehler> Popple3: i think the sdk has the stylesheets... more important would be some (undocumented) foundation libs :)
Apr 30 08:12:17 <Xuzz> huh, it's based on XMPP wut
Apr 30 08:12:36 <Popple3> stbuehler: Yeah, but I've never been able to find those files... lol
Apr 30 08:12:55 <stbuehler> PalmSDK/0.1/share/refcode/framework/367 ? :)
Apr 30 08:13:26 <Popple3> question is, where's the PalmSDK folder (on Mac)
Apr 30 08:13:31 <Xuzz> Popple3: /opt, iirc
Apr 30 08:13:32 <stbuehler> hehe
Apr 30 08:13:51 <Popple3> so it is :D Thanks Xuzz
Apr 30 08:14:09 * Popple3 creates symlink
Apr 30 08:14:43 <stbuehler> for example: does anyone know the foundations.crypto lib ? :)
Apr 30 08:17:42 <dkirker> uhhhh
Apr 30 08:17:56 <dkirker> Adora Adora Adora! I think it actually worked :)
Apr 30 08:18:09 <Adora> \o/
Apr 30 08:18:13 <Adora> what did you do?
Apr 30 08:18:27 <dkirker> I didn't send the cookies that I thought that I needed to
Apr 30 08:19:01 <dkirker> so, these cookies are useless? except for one value, that is not a cookie?
Apr 30 08:19:38 <dkirker> something makes no sense here
Apr 30 08:21:11 <dkirker> Well, at least I can make this work. It might be a hack, but I think 1.4.5 users will be happy. :)
Apr 30 08:22:44 * dkirker does the happy dance
Apr 30 08:24:25 * hotdp wonders what music goes well with the "happy dance"
Apr 30 08:25:11 <dkirker> oooooo
Apr 30 08:25:13 <dkirker> I KNOW!
Apr 30 08:25:55 <dkirker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3G5IXn0K7A
Apr 30 08:26:11 <hotdp> YAY!
Apr 30 08:26:56 <hotdp> Now my day is saved
Apr 30 08:29:52 <Adora> omg
Apr 30 08:30:04 * Adora hamsterdances 
Apr 30 08:34:54 <Adora> confession:  these are my happy dances - http://www.youtube.com/user/Sophistechate#grid/user/5C4C35C503E7DCB3
Apr 30 08:35:54 <Adora> and this is why:  http://log.lisabrewster.com/post/117432758/zefrank-how-to-start-a-dance-party
Apr 30 08:36:25 <hotdp> haha
Apr 30 08:37:52 <Adora> I still tear up around 1:30 mins into that last vid
Apr 30 08:38:42 <hotdp> he sure got the party started!
Apr 30 08:42:24 <dkirker> Adora: nice!
Apr 30 08:52:18 <dkirker> there. Now to see how to deal with the webOS 1.4.5 special case. But it will work!
Apr 30 08:54:20 <Adora> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=NB3NPNM4xgo
Apr 30 08:54:32 <Adora> man, if I ever witness one of these, I'd start sobbing like a baby
Apr 30 08:54:57 <Adora> it's like a vortex of emotional contagion
Apr 30 08:59:37 <dkirker> oh yeah! I saw that (not in person, just the video).
Apr 30 09:09:26 <dkirker> I think that it is bed time.
Apr 30 09:09:31 <dkirker> Good night everyone!
Apr 30 11:02:11 <Adora> will someone with a pre plus on verizon please tell me what build you're using?
Apr 30 11:02:18 <Adora> if you're awake  =]
Apr 30 12:03:49 <rwhitby> Adora: the webos doctor versions page can tell you that
Apr 30 12:04:19 <rwhitby> 20100614 171 2e1cbe14267c61941d62d2d7fd82a544 webosdoctorp101ewwverizonwireless-1.4.5.jar
Apr 30 12:04:41 <rwhitby> so build number is 171
Apr 30 12:05:21 <Adora> not 1.4.5.1 build 231?
Apr 30 12:09:16 <Adora> nope, I think I just ran this test on the wrong build
Apr 30 12:09:18 <Adora> fiddlesticks
Apr 30 12:14:19 <rwhitby> Adora: I guess there could be a 231 OTA update that we don't have a doctor for ..
Apr 30 12:15:34 <Adora> this is a production device that I haven't touched in ages, no telling what I did with it in the past, though
Apr 30 12:15:44 <Adora> oh well, still sending this report around
Apr 30 12:16:20 <Adora> testing basic install / uninstall of apps with 2.0 package format on 1.4.5
Apr 30 12:16:55 <Adora> which I meant to get to last weekend like I promised some folks in the forum
Apr 30 12:21:09 <stbuehler> i'd like to code a replacement for palm-package (goal: better error messages, more "sanity" checks, extra features for control file -> package feeds)
Apr 30 12:21:41 <stbuehler> if anyone has a good "reference" what the current palm-package tool supports, just tell me :)
Apr 30 12:22:25 <Adora> stbuehler:  grab lemketron next time he's around
Apr 30 12:23:07 <stbuehler> Adora: k thx, i'll try :)
Apr 30 12:23:17 <Adora> he owns palm-package
Apr 30 12:23:20 <stbuehler> https://gist.github.com/949636 is what i have right now
Apr 30 14:17:51 <BeThere> Hello.  Does anyone know how long it's going to be before the PDK rejection is fixed ?  I do feel that having to email pdc all the time is wasting everyones time :)
Apr 30 14:24:18 <RagingMind> Adora, I have a VZW Pre+ and I remember seeing 1.4.5.1 at some point, I think.  not that that's helpful
Apr 30 14:46:07 <nirv> has anyone got Skype to work on a Sprint Palm Pre- using MetaDoctor and 2.1?
Apr 30 15:00:47 <madnificent> is there a simple way to get the current screen rotation?
Apr 30 15:01:23 <hotdp> yer
Apr 30 15:02:10 <hotdp> MainAssistant.prototype.orientationChanged = function(event){};
Apr 30 15:03:22 <madnificent> hotdp: and the new orientation is available in the event object, I assume
Apr 30 15:03:56 <hotdp> Mayeb this.controller.window
Apr 30 15:04:03 <hotdp> has a property
Apr 30 15:04:06 <hotdp> it has height
Apr 30 15:04:13 <hotdp> i asume it has orientation to ;)
Apr 30 15:05:41 <madnificent> hmmm, could check that, thanks
Apr 30 15:05:53 <madnificent> loggy internet collection, sorry for th e failure questions
Apr 30 15:08:55 <hotdp> this.controller.window.innerHeight fx
Apr 30 15:09:40 <madnificent> ?
Apr 30 15:14:13 <madnificent> hotdp: I am a fool, it's this.controller.stageController.getWindowOrientation();  Thanks though!
Apr 30 15:19:43 <hotdp> hehe thought so ;)
Apr 30 15:26:49 <dohtem> http://www.precentral.net/hp-s-bluetooth-webos-keyboard-passes-through-fcc-approved-typing-fingers -- this looks sexay!
Apr 30 15:27:50 <hotdp> yer
Apr 30 15:29:50 <nirv> there sure are a lot of warnings and alerts on the webos threads about "illegal" posts. how "illegal" can modifying your phone get? free apps? big deal. free service? well, maybe a big deal.
Apr 30 15:30:13 <nirv> maybe I'm missing something, but I see more talk about modifying your PS3 or Xbox and burning games than anything of that nature happening on cell phones
Apr 30 16:05:25 <madnificent> nirv: are many apps copied?
Apr 30 16:05:44 * madnificent has low sales, but assumes it's more something in the likes of: there are no webos users out there
Apr 30 16:32:54 <madnificent> if I write what an update contains, can webos 1.4.5 users actually see what new goodies they're getting?  Or are the only ones to see that the ones with the new app catalog?
Apr 30 16:48:27 <madnificent> hey haeffb
Apr 30 16:53:09 <hotdp> madnificent: what do you mean by what a update contains?
Apr 30 16:55:22 <Louder|pre> I'm assuming he means a changelog
Apr 30 16:56:15 <hotdp> have they added one to the catalog since i last updated a app´
Apr 30 16:56:35 <madnificent> hotdp: well, when I'm uploading an app, there is this view of it
Apr 30 16:56:39 <madnificent> s/of/for/
Apr 30 16:56:44 <madnificent> but I can't see what the update looks like locally
Apr 30 16:57:13 <Louder|pre> Dkirker does it somehow for universe
Apr 30 16:57:19 <hotdp> Ahh
Apr 30 16:57:23 <hotdp> Like bullets?
Apr 30 16:57:24 <madnificent> however, if my users don't know what's new (because I didn't write it in the description itself, but in the specialised field), then my users will never discover the updated features :(
Apr 30 16:57:50 <madnificent> hotdp: no, I can't try to update my app, I can't buy it (restricted region blabla)
Apr 30 16:58:36 <hotdp> ahh now i understand
Apr 30 16:59:00 <madnificent> hotdp: and I also can't see it in the overview of my app (actually, I suspect the app submission thing is kind of borked)
Apr 30 17:00:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey all
Apr 30 17:00:33 <hotdp> welcome PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 30 17:00:44 <madnificent> hotdp: so, should I assume that it is not visible to users?
Apr 30 17:00:52 <madnificent> hey PatrickC_Pre2
Apr 30 17:00:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> hotdp: did you like the patch?
Apr 30 17:01:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey madnificent!! what are we talking about?
Apr 30 17:01:08 <hotdp> I have had alot of problems for univers
Apr 30 17:01:17 <hotdp> so i had to get dkirker to send me a newversion
Apr 30 17:01:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 30 17:01:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> fixed now?
Apr 30 17:02:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> the patch has been submitted (just waiting for aproval)
Apr 30 17:02:19 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: you can tell what your update contained when you update apps now.  However I don't know if my users can see it...
Apr 30 17:02:39 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: and if they can't... then I feel sorry for them  ;-)  I want to help them, not make their life harder
Apr 30 17:02:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> how?
Apr 30 17:02:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> like.. where do you put it?
Apr 30 17:03:14 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: there's a field for it now, at least I had one on monday
Apr 30 17:03:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> in the app submission?
Apr 30 17:03:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> does it say "New in this version"
Apr 30 17:05:28 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: yeah, I think that that's the one
Apr 30 17:05:41 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: but I wonder: where do users see that?
Apr 30 17:05:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> its been there for a while afaik
Apr 30 17:05:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't think they do
Apr 30 17:05:49 <madnificent> could be, it was my first update
Apr 30 17:06:14 * madnificent shouts and yells things in his mind that aren't supposed to be on an IRC channel
Apr 30 17:06:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 30 17:06:55 <madnificent> then why on earth does it show there?!  I write it down and format it for my users and then they can't see it...  Now it looks like I'm the epic lame dev that doesn't even do the effort of writing down what's new
Apr 30 17:07:14 <madnificent> stupid stupid stupid catalog
Apr 30 17:07:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I think its for the reviewers at Palm
Apr 30 17:07:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> so they know what to check for in the new version
Apr 30 17:07:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://awesomeappreviews.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/webos-2-1-on-hppalm-devices-the-rundown/
Apr 30 17:08:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ a post about all Palm devices running 2.1
Apr 30 17:10:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> Pixi included
Apr 30 17:13:18 <madnificent> interesting read
Apr 30 17:16:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Apr 30 17:16:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> NuttyBunny wrote it :)
Apr 30 17:22:22 <madnificent> so I read
Apr 30 17:36:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay NuttyBunny
Apr 30 17:39:17 <NuttyBunny> hey :)
Apr 30 17:39:43 * halfhalo does an evil laugh
Apr 30 17:48:57 * madnificent runs away scared
Apr 30 18:00:32 <madnificent> sales results come in on the first of each month, right?
Apr 30 18:02:21 <ctbeiser> More like lack-of-sales results.
Apr 30 18:03:24 <madnificent> ctbeiser: it's been the launch, I've sold some since the app review
Apr 30 18:03:39 <madnificent> but it isn't really much... I'm mainly wondering what it will look like :)
Apr 30 18:09:23 <madnificent> ctbeiser: I wonder if there really are that few users that buy webos apps... I'm just wondering
Apr 30 18:12:55 <ctbeiser> madnificent: I've heard that there aren't many, but I know people review apps, which means they must buy them.
Apr 30 18:41:00 <madnificent> ctbeiser: I wonder how much devices are being sold on a weekly basis
Apr 30 18:41:28 <madnificent> for app development, that's roughly the only interesting option.  People who've bought the phone earlier on probably found a solution elsewhere
Apr 30 18:42:26 <ctbeiser> I don't know, but I got my Pre Plus cheap off ebay, and the pixi is getting so cheap it'd make sense to buy them and send them to developing countries as computers, vs an OLPC or something.
Apr 30 18:46:45 <madnificent> ctbeiser: LoL, they'd become the ultimate app development country :D
Apr 30 18:48:49 <ctbeiser> I mean, $40 for an ARMv6 processor, 192mb ram, a 240x320 screen, charger, cable, wifi, bluetooth and cdma radios and battery?
Apr 30 18:53:21 <NuttyBunny> Speaking off... did you know that the Pre has a TV output pin in the circuit board? Near some serial debugging pins ;)
Apr 30 18:56:15 <ctbeiser> Really now? Does it do TV out?
Apr 30 18:57:56 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: hack it!
Apr 30 18:59:48 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: also, which pre?
Apr 30 19:00:40 <halfhalo> t minus 2 hours....
Apr 30 19:04:16 <madnificent> halfhalo: ?
Apr 30 19:04:30 * halfhalo whistles
Apr 30 19:05:32 * madnificent still doesn't get it
Apr 30 19:17:12 <madnificent> ahm, when I push a card from a pregerated menu (one generated from appinfo.json), I don't seem to have an active stagecontroller.  How would I pop a scene in that case?
Apr 30 19:17:50 <funkatron> could you get the active stageController?
Apr 30 19:17:55 <funkatron> I have a helper in Spaz to do that
Apr 30 19:18:02 <funkatron> oh err
Apr 30 19:18:04 <funkatron> nm
Apr 30 19:19:19 <madnificent> no but it's odd
Apr 30 19:20:05 <madnificent> in the handleCommand of the scene, I don't have the stageController ( Mojo.Controller.stageController ), but I do have it in another function (which responds to a list tap)
Apr 30 19:20:13 <madnificent> both of them are in the same scene
Apr 30 19:23:02 <madnificent> a scope issue, I think, but it's still odd
Apr 30 19:24:09 <madnificent> I give Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene as an argument of a function, which then tries to call that argument.  The parameter should be dereferenced in my current context, not in the future context (though the function should be executed within that context if I don't bind it)
Apr 30 19:29:02 <madnificent> if anyone has a clue why passing a bound function which does nothing but call the inner function would work, but why passing this function in general wouldn't, I'm still all ears
Apr 30 19:29:53 <LoneStar99> howdy folks
Apr 30 19:29:56 <madnificent> the only thing I can figure out is that something _inside_ of the Mojo.Controller.stageController.popScene function would also be calling Mojo.controller.stageController (but even then, a .bind(this) should work on the popScene itself
Apr 30 19:29:59 <madnificent> it's odd
Apr 30 19:30:01 <madnificent> hello LoneStar99
Apr 30 19:37:44 <LoneStar99> happy saturday
Apr 30 19:43:04 <Guest44587> What's new with webos?
Apr 30 19:46:48 <ctbeiser> I hear they're implementing a new feature in 3.0 called cards.
Apr 30 19:47:03 <ctbeiser> They let you run multiple applications simultaneously.
Apr 30 19:51:21 <Guest44587> That's like the only thing webos has going for it right now it seems.
Apr 30 19:57:31 <ctbeiser> If the touchpad is good enough, it could be the only other tablet ready for prime time.
Apr 30 19:57:49 <ctbeiser> Because Android 3.0 and the playbook are both pretty cruddy.
Apr 30 19:58:44 <haeffb> hi madnificent
Apr 30 19:58:55 * haeffb been afk for a bit... :)
Apr 30 20:00:21 <Guest44587> I honestly don't get the obsession with tablets
Apr 30 20:00:55 <Guest44587> Very slim laptops and a smartphone make more sense
Apr 30 21:17:55 <madnificent> haeffb: and then I repeated your action (being afk)
Apr 30 21:18:11 <haeffb> ha. so now we're even!
Apr 30 21:18:28 <madnificent> naah, you're 5 todo apps in front or something like that :)
Apr 30 21:20:23 * madnificent misses the user-kindness of the previous week
Apr 30 21:27:55 <halfhalo> bah, user kindness
Apr 30 21:42:46 <madnificent> halfhalo: I like it, it's nice to hear someone is enjoying themself
Apr 30 21:42:51 <Popple3> hey guys
Apr 30 21:45:03 <Popple3> anyone wanna do a quick test of an app, just a quick look for performance/UI issues and uncaught bugs? It's a small simple app
Apr 30 21:49:08 <dkirker> hi Adora!
Apr 30 21:49:17 <halfhalo> ruhroh
Apr 30 21:49:29 <dkirker> hi halfhalo!
Apr 30 21:49:33 <halfhalo> hola
Apr 30 21:55:33 <madnificent> Popple3: more info, always give more info :)
Apr 30 21:55:51 <Popple3> madnificent: https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=ie.danielbrierton.pkmntcg
Apr 30 21:56:22 * Popple3 is clearly a Pokénerd
Apr 30 21:56:23 <Popple3> :P
Apr 30 21:57:59 <Popple3> I know there's a few small issues with data, but that's getting sorted
Apr 30 22:00:23 <madnificent> Popple3: someone will jump on it.  I couldn't keep my attention to that, I'm affraid
Apr 30 22:00:29 <madnificent> (sorry)
Apr 30 22:01:28 <Popple3> madnificent: no worries, I thought that might be the case for some
Apr 30 22:01:30 <avarus> http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/mud-on-the-floor/5672464185/sizes/l/ <-- lol :P
Apr 30 22:02:56 <Popple3> avarus: That's what college assignments sometimes end up as with me, I'd be demoing it and discover bugs :P
Apr 30 22:03:21 <avarus> :)
Apr 30 22:03:25 <Popple3> But I'm being a good boy now and testing beforehand, and making use of the beta feed :)
Apr 30 22:04:01 <avarus> still not optimal but better than in production :)
Apr 30 22:04:40 <Popple3> yeah, "Here guys, buy this! Oh wait, I'll fix that. And that. And that. And that. And that."
Apr 30 22:06:02 <avarus> related: http://projectb14ck.org/how-to-not-be-lean :D
Apr 30 22:06:22 <Popple3> I don't think there's any issues left, but there's always the possibility I've missed something
Apr 30 22:06:34 <avarus> the problem is that you are the developer :)
Apr 30 22:09:39 <Popple3> huh...?
Apr 30 22:10:03 <avarus> you aren't :)?
Apr 30 22:10:12 <Popple3> I am, yeah, I just don't get what you mean.
Apr 30 22:10:32 <avarus> well, you'll test your app until you think it has no bugs anymore
Apr 30 22:10:39 <avarus> but the problem is that you designed the app :)
Apr 30 22:10:46 <avarus> you won't find certain bugs
Apr 30 22:10:53 <avarus> because you know how to use the app
Apr 30 22:10:58 <avarus> you know where to click etc...
Apr 30 22:11:07 <avarus> you know what to enter
Apr 30 22:11:08 <Popple3> yeah, I notice the same in work, my mate always finds bugs that I haven't
Apr 30 22:14:51 <Popple3> Makes me wish I had friends with webOS devices to help out
Apr 30 22:15:35 <Loudergood> haha I know exactly what you mean avarus, if I ever start a software company, I'm hiring a friend of mine as a tester, because he breaks everything he touches
Apr 30 22:16:33 <avarus> hehe
Apr 30 22:18:26 <Loudergood> I swear he must've opened an Amazon EC2 account last week
Apr 30 22:18:36 <avarus> in the last company we had a strange test procedure...we had some testers that should test certain apps. we gave them certain tasks to accomplish and while they were testing we had a look over their shoulder...was very exciting...I remember a lot of moments where I thought "dude, don't click there...click that dumb button on the right" etc... :P...usability wise we weren't too good it seemed :P
May 01 00:16:19 * PatrickC_Pre2 waves hi
May 01 00:29:05 * halfhalo does a party dance
May 01 01:18:29 <dawm> stupid DRLs, finally disabled them
May 01 01:56:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay all
May 01 02:03:34 <dawm> so wait..
May 01 02:03:46 <dawm> can you use the URL promo codes to get em on 1.4.5
May 01 02:04:02 <dawm> Download this app for free
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May 01 02:04:21 <SineOt> No idea! Probably.
May 01 02:04:32 <dawm> hrm
May 01 02:04:38 * SineOt shakes his fist at DOCTOR WHO!
May 01 02:05:26 <dawm> lets see
May 01 02:05:53 <dawm> nope
May 01 02:06:09 <dawm> it just launches the catalog with the promocode url, which 1.4.5 doesnt understand
May 01 02:06:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> :/
May 01 02:06:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: any progress last week?
May 01 02:06:58 <dawm> yeah
May 01 02:07:05 <dawm> i forget tho
May 01 02:07:16 <dawm> oh its playable now, just doesnt show a score
May 01 02:07:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 01 02:07:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
May 01 02:07:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
May 01 02:07:29 <dawm> but it tracks the score and changes level and resets level as it should
May 01 02:07:49 <dawm> i just have to play with TTF stuff now before i send out any copies
May 01 02:08:16 <dawm> will probably do that monday after i mow the lawn (i pray for no more rain...) and finish up a sticker order
May 01 02:09:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> rain... we had flood lol
May 01 02:10:23 <dawm> my grass wont stop growing
May 01 02:10:32 <dawm> and it wont stop raining.. so i cant cut it
May 01 02:10:42 <dawm> and i have a rather large yard.. biggest on the street
May 01 02:11:58 <SineOt> one of these days I'm going to finish those ponies and get them cut as sticker
May 01 02:13:48 <SineOt> dawm: how much would some say, 3 color 6x6 cost :o
May 01 02:23:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: how big of yard?
May 01 02:23:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have 2 acres
May 01 02:25:44 * halfhalo lives in Socal.  Win
May 01 02:26:32 <Loudergood> bonus to renting, no shoveling, no mowing...
May 01 02:26:45 <oil> haha, yeah
May 01 02:27:47 * halfhalo lives with his parents... no rent ftw
May 01 02:27:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm... can I use promo codes without having a credit card on my palm profile?
May 01 02:28:14 <halfhalo> unless something vewy special happens soon.
May 01 02:28:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> I take that as a no
May 01 02:28:43 <Loudergood> actually, I still had to shovel a few times..I would like a garage http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/185727_525493665925_160400191_30850007_551045_n.jpg
May 01 02:29:06 <halfhalo> bah
May 01 02:29:08 <halfhalo> snow
May 01 02:29:13 <halfhalo> that don't happen here
May 01 02:29:25 <LoneStar99> where can I find the IPK so I can upload to phone?  using eclipse here
May 01 02:30:37 <LoneStar99> used to find it in %TEMP% but now it deletes
May 01 02:30:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I use text editors.. srry
May 01 02:31:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> Notepad++ FTW
May 01 02:31:40 <LoneStar99> boo =(
May 01 02:35:21 <LoneStar99> palm-package "directory path of app"
May 01 02:36:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
May 01 02:37:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> or cd into the directory and palm-package appFolder
May 01 02:37:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> what hose OS?
May 01 02:39:44 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 01 02:39:49 <LoneStar99> win7
May 01 02:40:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, I use wind f
May 01 02:40:08 <LoneStar99> getting back to webos dev after about 5 months
May 01 02:40:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> for some development*
May 01 02:40:16 <LoneStar99> so a few things have changed
May 01 02:40:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> the packaging method hasn't ;) (afaik)
May 01 02:41:42 <LoneStar99> i used to be able to get the IPK from %temp% folder but not anymore
May 01 02:42:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't used Eclipse in forever, so idk how they package/where they store..
May 01 02:42:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> srry
May 01 02:45:53 <halfhalo> UncUncUncUnc
May 01 02:48:16 * PatrickC_Pre2 wonders about halfhalo
May 01 02:48:52 <halfhalo> ohohohoh..... Jumper Cables!
May 01 02:49:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> ohno
May 01 02:52:57 <LoneStar99> PatrickC_Pre2:  got it working
May 01 02:53:03 <LoneStar99> now testing on device
May 01 02:53:54 <halfhalo> burn baby burn
May 01 02:57:29 <halfhalo> its one of those days
May 01 02:58:24 <Loudergood> LoneStar99: how?
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