**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 01 02:59:58 2011
May 01 03:09:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay Loudergood
May 01 03:09:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> LoneStar99: cool
May 01 03:13:31 <SineOt> man the fact that there has to be an ad saying to be careful to not give your baby whooping cough is just so, so retarded
May 01 03:15:28 <SineOt> vaccinate your kids >:C
May 01 03:15:45 * ajay thinks the unix 'screen' program is a dangerous thing.. ;^)
May 01 03:19:58 * halfhalo debates pushing an update to REDACTED
May 01 03:20:40 * PatrickC_Pre2 debates whether to go to bed or code
May 01 03:22:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> I chose going to bed
May 01 03:22:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
May 01 03:29:14 <LoneStar99> night
May 01 03:29:30 <LoneStar99> taking off myself, been coding since 10am
May 01 03:29:34 <LoneStar99> laters all
May 01 03:34:49 <PatrickC_Sleepin> night all
May 01 03:51:01 <halfhalo> hmm... Parking Wars marathon
May 01 03:51:03 <halfhalo> sweeeeet
May 01 03:53:03 <SineOt> Man... This whole May 2nd thing is kind of annoying. >:<
May 01 03:53:15 <SineOt> Since it's still two days away.
May 01 03:59:54 * halfhalo hasn't gotten an email on 4 hours.... hmmmm
May 01 04:01:01 <oil> i like that the new app page on palms site shows all the screenshots
May 01 04:01:09 <halfhalo> oh?
May 01 04:01:14 <oil> (the "send to phone" page that is)
May 01 04:01:18 <halfhalo> Never actually look at those pages
May 01 04:02:24 <oil> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=ws.junk.dotgame
May 01 04:02:53 <halfhalo> heh
May 01 04:03:02 <oil> lol @ requires webOS 1.1.0
May 01 04:03:03 <halfhalo> SOOOOOO debating whether to format laptop right now
May 01 04:03:08 <oil> sorry those of you on 1.0.4
May 01 04:03:56 <oil> why doesnt it show the developer on that page?
May 01 04:03:59 <halfhalo> buuutttt also being lazy right now
May 01 04:04:05 <halfhalo> because the dev is worhtless :p
May 01 04:07:45 <oil> no its not
May 01 04:08:05 <oil> awesome new game v1 released tomorrow wouldn't get news, unless it was by rovio mobile
May 01 04:09:20 <halfhalo> heh
May 01 04:09:35 <halfhalo> ok, ONE of these buttons makes this boot from usb.  which damn button is it
May 01 04:09:50 <oil> heh
May 01 04:10:07 <halfhalo> mashing the kb makes it been as well
May 01 04:11:22 <halfhalo> gogogadget win7 usb3 install
May 01 04:12:54 <halfhalo> oh hey
May 01 04:13:00 <halfhalo> 80% done
May 01 04:32:19 * halfhalo waves byby to his storage space
May 01 04:33:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Does the Verizon Pre 2 2.1 Dr. wipe the storage partition?
May 01 04:46:32 <dkirker> Verizon 2.1 Dr?
May 01 04:51:56 <oil> i dont think any since 1.3.5 have cleared media? i could be totally wrong though
May 01 04:52:05 <oil> i suggest looking for better information :)
May 01 04:52:37 <SineOt> the first like, 2.0 doctors did wipe it, but I don't think any of the recent ones do
May 01 05:03:59 <rwhitby> oil: any doctor will wipe the usb if it finds the partitions to be not what it is expecting
May 01 05:04:14 <oil> like the switch in 135
May 01 05:05:07 <rwhitby> also in 2.0
May 01 05:05:23 <oil> ah
May 01 05:05:29 <rwhitby> 1.4.5 to 2.0 is smart enough not to wipe, but 2.0 to 1.4.5 is not
May 01 05:05:41 <oil> so 201 to 210 wouldnt trash it
May 01 05:05:49 <rwhitby> "should" not
May 01 05:07:09 <oil> so, backup, better to be safe then sorry
May 01 05:17:21 <rwhitby> oil: have you noticed how the column width for the app info in the app catalog app has now changed?
May 01 05:17:46 <rwhitby> things that used to fit (like "Documentation") no longer fit, and there is a column of blank space doing nothing.
May 01 05:18:06 <oil> yeah
May 01 06:41:14 <dkirker> Sometimes these social network sites scare me (in a good way) with how they are able to figure out connections.
May 01 06:52:56 <halfhalo> ok, who uses a short url that is just as long as the original one...
May 01 07:43:57 <sebastianha> Hi, which is the minimum version required to use promo codes? 2.0 or 2.1?
May 01 07:46:49 <rwhitby> you need the latest app catalog client, dunno which versions that has been released for.
May 01 07:47:34 <sebastianha> mmh, ok. Then that is my question :)
May 01 08:11:38 <rwhitby> I'd assume 2.1.0, cause Verizon folks are complaining they can't use promo codes.
May 01 08:12:21 <sebastianha> ok, good to know, thanks
May 01 10:37:28 <madnificent> in how many hours should the sales reports of april be visible on the site?
May 01 10:43:01 <madnificent> these are my first sales results, so I'm eager to look at them :)
May 01 11:13:34 <hotdp> hehe
May 01 11:13:44 <hotdp> madnificent: is it your first month?
May 01 12:21:06 <haeffb> madnificent: probably not for a few days
May 01 12:21:21 <haeffb> usually "near" the first of the month, not actually the first
May 01 12:49:47 <PatrickC_Sleepin> morning
May 01 12:53:53 <Loudergood> guten tag
May 01 12:55:05 <PatrickC_Sleepin> its raining here :/
May 01 12:55:13 <avarus> where?
May 01 12:55:44 <PatrickC_Sleepin> nashville TN USA
May 01 12:56:12 <Loudergood> sunny, blue skies, and holy crap the grass is green when did that happen?
May 01 12:56:48 <PatrickC_Sleepin> lol
May 01 12:57:55 <PatrickC_Sleepin> we tried to get all our grass cut yesterday..
May 01 12:58:30 <PatrickC_Sleepin> anyone down by Dallas TX?
May 01 17:27:51 <halfhalo> good times... heading to bob hope airport
May 01 18:07:34 <LoneStar99> morning folks
May 01 18:11:34 <Popple3> LoneStar99: evening :P
May 01 18:13:37 <dkirker> 'afternoon LoneStar99
May 01 18:13:40 <dkirker> hi Adora!
May 01 18:26:16 <LoneStar99> damn att wifi in starbucks sucks the big one
May 01 18:32:15 <halfhalo> duh, its att
May 01 18:34:32 <LoneStar99> yeap --> dialup is almost as fast =)
May 01 18:35:27 <Popple3> anyone know of a psd of a Pre 2 that I can throw my screenshots into?
May 01 18:35:42 <Popple3> I'm messing about with a png here, and nothing is lining up right
May 01 18:35:42 <LoneStar99> damn perfect timing now my cloud is down, so can't make App udates =(
May 01 18:36:37 <LoneStar99> popple3 some time ago some dude sent me a link of a some Pre media stuff, have you searhed the dev site?
May 01 18:37:46 <Popple3> LoneStar99: I'm looking around now. I just thought I'd ask here in case someone had a quick link
May 01 18:38:16 <Popple3> found stuff
May 01 18:40:03 <LoneStar99> i do the same IRC is faster than searching alot of times =)
May 01 18:40:12 <Popple3> never thought of searching the dev site rather than a global search
May 01 18:41:15 <Popple3> an 88MB tiff file O_o
May 01 18:48:08 <Popple3> I was hoping for an image that had the screen at 480x320 pixels :(
May 01 19:01:48 <LoneStar99> is anyone able to connect to http://urloid.com ?? or http://bobc.in
May 01 19:03:03 <Popple3> LoneStar99: Yeah, no problems here
May 01 19:03:15 <Popple3> I found a Pre with the right proportions for easy screenshots
May 01 19:03:20 <Popple3> it'll have to do
May 01 19:05:16 <LoneStar99> Popple3: yeah working here now, not sure what was up
May 01 19:05:55 <hlfhlo> fffff
May 01 19:05:59 <hlfhlo> no divx on mac atm
May 01 19:06:05 <hlfhlo> that makes me sad like a panda
May 01 19:14:11 <funkatron> merp?
May 01 19:41:35 <thomaschaaf> hello internet
May 01 19:55:52 <mcc> Hi, I've got a couple questions
May 01 19:56:05 <mcc> Someone sent me a copy of a webos project...
May 01 19:56:28 <funkatron> okay
May 01 19:56:30 <mcc> one thing that confuses me is that the project came with a series of scripts named packageit.cmd, uploadit.cmd, etc...
May 01 19:56:44 <funkatron> sounds like custom stuff they made for the project
May 01 19:56:47 <mcc> I am on a macintosh. What am I supposed to do with these? Do I basically just have to rewrite them by hand?
May 01 19:56:48 <mcc> OK.
May 01 19:57:09 <mcc> They'd said something to make it sound like this was generated by the SDL
May 01 19:57:10 <mcc> SDK
May 01 19:57:11 <funkatron> I'd guess batch files/shell scripts of some sort to automate build and deployment
May 01 19:57:34 <funkatron> maybe Eclipse does? I've never seen them tho. I do my work on OS X + TextMate, usually
May 01 19:57:48 <funkatron> I do write batch scripts to make the build process a little easier
May 01 19:58:01 <mcc> Oh, apparently it's a sample : https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/pdk/building-for-the-device.html Is there a recommended way to set up single build scripts that work on all platforms? Or do things with make?
May 01 19:58:25 <dkirker> you could probably make a custom make file
May 01 19:58:31 <dkirker> I am considering doing that
May 01 19:58:33 <funkatron> well, you only need scripts that work on the platform you're developing on
May 01 19:58:43 * hlfhlo goes to make a make file... of samiches
May 01 19:58:50 <funkatron> AFAIK there is not a shared scripting system for Windows and OS X, so…
May 01 19:58:58 <mcc> Well, there's MSYS
May 01 19:59:03 <funkatron> also, are you making a PDK app?
May 01 19:59:09 <mcc> funk: The problem is he's on windows and i'm on a mac and we are trying to collaborate on a project
May 01 19:59:23 <funkatron> okay, I'd make separate build scripts for each platform, then
May 01 19:59:25 <mcc> I'm ... not sure, I'm totally new to this :(
May 01 19:59:27 <mcc> Hm OK.
May 01 19:59:47 <mcc> I'm wondering, what if I just convinced the windows user to install cygwin or mingw-MSYS or something
May 01 19:59:47 <funkatron> the docs you linked to are for PDK apps, which are C++ compiled applications
May 01 19:59:49 <funkatron> "native code"
May 01 19:59:54 <mcc> Aha. yes. Native code
May 01 20:00:29 <funkatron> I suspect the dev on Windows will be much worse off doing that than you'd be to write the very simple bash scripts for yourself 8D
May 01 20:00:40 <mcc> Basically this is a crossplatform app, and I'm working with someone who has ported it to webos... the windows version already requires MSYS to build
May 01 20:00:40 <mcc> heh
May 01 20:00:46 <funkatron> but, if you're doing a PDK app, I've never worked with it
May 01 20:00:58 <funkatron> so I'm the wrong feller to ask, I'm afraid
May 01 20:01:10 <mcc> I guess there's that. the problem is i've worked with apps that had platform-specific build scripts and they drift out of sync very quickly
May 01 20:01:12 <mcc> OK. Thanks!
May 01 20:02:31 <mcc> The PDK apps, the scripts seem to get very complex. So like you need a separate %BUILD% line for each cpp file...
May 01 20:03:14 <funkatron> right. that I can see being a problem
May 01 20:05:50 <mcc> I had another question but I think it's remarkably PDK specific.
May 01 20:05:58 <PatrickC_Pre> hey all
May 01 20:06:02 <funkatron> perhaps someone will even answer
May 01 20:06:04 <madnificent> hey PatrickC_Pre
May 01 20:06:06 <mcc> I will try
May 01 20:06:07 <funkatron> PatrickC_Pre: yello
May 01 20:06:22 <PatrickC_Pre> brb lol
May 01 20:06:29 <mcc> What the webos guy I've been working with said was that you can't include OpenGL 1.0 and 2.0 headers in a single C++ file on WebOS. Can someone confirm there's not a trick for doing this? That just seems very weird
May 01 20:06:41 <madnificent> haeffb: sorry I didn't respond earlier, I must've missed it
May 01 20:07:24 <funkatron> mcc: if people can't help here, you should def check out the dev forums on developer.palm.com
May 01 20:07:27 <mcc> So this program was written so that it can run in either OpenGL ES 1.0 or 2.0 mode... and at certain points it just switches if (gl2_mode) and calls either the appropriate 1.0 or 2.0 function.
May 01 20:07:41 <madnificent> mcc: no, that's perfectly sensible, they probably have an overlapping namespace
May 01 20:07:45 <mcc> That actually is helpful, thanks!
May 01 20:08:05 <ajay> hey
May 01 20:08:06 * madnificent mumbles something about current programming languages
May 01 20:08:09 <madnificent> mcc: you
May 01 20:08:20 <madnificent> mcc: you _might_ be able to work around it with a macro, but I'm not sure
May 01 20:08:22 <mcc> madnificent: OK. Yeah it makes sense, but it's a little surprising since android/ios don't have the same problem with their respective OES headers
May 01 20:08:26 <ajay> y'know, bitchX handles ^Z _much_ better than mutt.. hrmm..
May 01 20:08:46 <madnificent> mcc: if IOS can do it, then WebOS should be able to do it as well
May 01 20:08:49 <mcc> madnificent: What we wound up doing was just putting all the OES1 calls behind a #ifndef TARGET_WEBOS
May 01 20:09:08 <madnificent> mcc: yup, that's C for you :)
May 01 20:09:17 <PatrickC_Pre> mcc: and it might be supported in webOS 3.0.. you can join the Early Access Program to check And get access to early releases
May 01 20:09:20 <mcc> madnificent: Well, what it sounded like was that it was just some sort of bug in the webos headers.
May 01 20:09:20 <ajay> OES?
May 01 20:09:28 <mcc> ajay: I'm sorry, OpenGL ES
May 01 20:09:54 <mcc> anyway though if it's a bug then it seems like it should be possible to work around by just writing custom headers? Because it all links to the same place anyway.
May 01 20:10:00 <ajay> mcc: oh no reason to be sorry, i just got here.. :)
May 01 20:10:00 <mcc> So I was curious if anyone had encountered this
May 01 20:10:22 <mcc> i'll poke at it myself and check out the dev forums, thanks
May 01 20:10:48 <mcc> ugh this sucks, i've somehow written myself into a corner where the android version is opengl 1.0 only and the webos version is opengl 2.0 only :P
May 01 20:11:10 <madnificent> mcc: no, I haven't done PDK programming (and it wouldn't be C anyways), but it sounds like it's possible
May 01 20:11:16 <mcc> BTW there are WebOS/Pre phones in the wild that only support OpenGL ES 1.0, right?
May 01 20:11:29 <mcc> I mean if a program requires OpenGL ES 2.0, how much of a limitation is this on who can run it?
May 01 20:11:38 <madnificent> mcc: ahaa, there you might have it!  If they only support one version, then it's clearly not a problem
May 01 20:11:57 <mcc> yeah
May 01 20:12:07 <madnificent> mcc: could you, perhaps, abstract the differences between both implementations somewhere, then you limit the amount of macros (which is good)
May 01 20:12:19 <mcc> madnificent, no, that's the interesting thing, i did exactly that
May 01 20:12:30 * PatrickC_Pre is lost in all this C talk :D
May 01 20:12:36 <mcc> madnificent: it's just, the way I did it depends on a single file named glCommon.cpp being able to access both header files :(
May 01 20:12:46 <madnificent> mcc: I don't know when they introduced 2.0... if it's in 1.4.5 or 1.3.x then you're not really skipping any users,  I think
May 01 20:12:46 <mcc> So I could split glCommon.cpp into two files or something?!
May 01 20:12:47 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre: Can't you C the way?
May 01 20:13:00 <PatrickC_Pre> heh
May 01 20:13:04 <mcc> ok
May 01 20:13:05 <RagingMind> as far as I know all pre's support oes1 and 2
May 01 20:13:09 <PatrickC_Pre> I need to learn JS first :P
May 01 20:13:12 <mcc> really, interesting
May 01 20:13:28 <madnificent> mcc: if you've gone that far, then you can add IFDEF everywhere in glCommon.cpp and then it'll only try to access one header file, no?
May 01 20:13:36 <RagingMind> not sure about the pixi, but I'm pretty sure even the Pre- does oes2, but that's just me recalling feature/data sheets
May 01 20:13:39 <madnificent> mcc: mind you: my C is rusty at best (and I don't intend to change that)
May 01 20:13:39 <ajay> I know more C than JS.. ;^) (which would be saying more.. 15 yrs ago when i could actually write a prog :)
May 01 20:13:48 <mcc> All webos phones have been branded as Pre, right?
May 01 20:13:51 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm gonna learn JS, then Java and XML, then Obj. C, then C#/C++
May 01 20:14:07 <madnificent> mcc: no, there's pre and pixi (and Veer coming)
May 01 20:14:08 <RagingMind> mcc, there is the Pre, Pre+, Pixi, Pixi+, and Pre2
May 01 20:14:14 <mcc> Pre: That's not a bad idea-- mastering other languages well before C++ I mean
May 01 20:14:21 <mcc> ok thanks
May 01 20:14:22 <PatrickC_Pre> and now Veer, Pre3, and TouchPad
May 01 20:14:34 <SineOt> isn't that Veer event tomorrow? D:
May 01 20:14:40 <PatrickC_Pre> yeah
May 01 20:14:53 <PatrickC_Pre> and supposedly 2.2 to sprint devices as well
May 01 20:15:03 <SineOt> I suppose that lends some credence to the whole 2.2 release thing
May 01 20:15:10 <mcc> This isn't so bad
May 01 20:15:16 <SineOt> Veer launches with 2.2, Pre3 launches with 2.3, Touchpad with 3.0
May 01 20:15:21 <mcc> I tried to do some Android development and the level of device fragmentation is INFURIATING :(
May 01 20:15:45 <SineOt> oh I bet, it's annoying to find apps that don't work and don't tell you they won't work >:C
May 01 20:15:52 * PatrickC_Pre is about to start Android development
May 01 20:16:06 <RagingMind> mcc, even with the number of "different" devices, so far there's a limited number of build targets
May 01 20:16:14 <RagingMind> (for Palm/webOS)
May 01 20:16:16 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre: oo, start it by dual-booting your pre! :)
May 01 20:16:27 <mcc> I wrote an app for Android 2.3 and somehow only found out afterward that it only runs on 0.5% of all devices and most android devices can't beupgraded :(
May 01 20:16:31 <RagingMind> waiting to see how much the new hardware changes that though
May 01 20:16:32 <PatrickC_Pre> ajay: already doing it ;)
May 01 20:16:37 <mcc> For the record are all Pre/Pre2/Pixi devices able to run the same OSes?
May 01 20:16:45 <PatrickC_Pre> no
May 01 20:16:49 <mcc> ok
May 01 20:16:49 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre: oh sh*t!  i need to get that going.. did it affect your webOS operation at all?
May 01 20:17:04 <SineOt> yeah, real only major difference RagingMind is screen size and CPU arc, no?
May 01 20:17:04 <PatrickC_Pre> ajay: not at all
May 01 20:17:05 <RagingMind> mcc, pixi is stuck at 1.4.5 as are most US Pre's (officially)
May 01 20:17:10 <ajay> they can mostly be upgraded, i just don't think it's a normal's ability
May 01 20:17:19 <PatrickC_Pre> and it doesn't resize any partitions
May 01 20:17:24 <avarus> pixi is too slow
May 01 20:17:35 <SineOt> it's not THAT slow
May 01 20:17:39 <RagingMind> mcc, but (many) world pre's and pre2 run webos 2.x
May 01 20:17:39 <PatrickC_Pre> keyboard right is out :/
May 01 20:17:41 <SineOt> it's not a speed demon but it's not miserable
May 01 20:17:47 <mcc> ok
May 01 20:17:51 <avarus> no I mean for webos2
May 01 20:17:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> From Twitter: "I'm debating between developing for the BlackBerry PlayBook and developing for the Sega Genesis."
May 01 20:18:00 <avarus> some guy posted it in the forum
May 01 20:18:20 <mcc> ....huh
May 01 20:18:23 <PatrickC_Pre> IGNTNUNLMTD: hehe
May 01 20:18:26 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre: Does it work as a phone?  have you used it long enough to have thoughts on battery life comparison?
May 01 20:18:29 <avarus> it's not too slow but it has far too few ram :)
May 01 20:18:59 <PatrickC_Pre> ajay: it doesn't work for a phone.. but wifi does work if you have novacom nearby
May 01 20:19:08 <PatrickC_Pre> and battery life doesn't seem too bad
May 01 20:19:08 <avarus> open 4-5 apps and it feels like it's frozen for me :P
May 01 20:19:19 <PatrickC_Pre> avarus: OCing?
May 01 20:19:28 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre: novacom for wifi?? hrmm..
May 01 20:19:39 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: that's just silly..
May 01 20:19:50 <SineOt> avarus: yeah, it's not so much a speed thing as it is just really RAM constrained
May 01 20:19:53 <avarus> overclocking? I think I had it overclocked to 800mhz but I believe it didn't work because it felt the same :)
May 01 20:20:09 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
May 01 20:20:12 <ajay> OT--any s/w recs to burn an mp4 into a dvd?
May 01 20:20:19 <ajay> (OSS, e.g. linux)
May 01 20:20:59 <PatrickC_Pre> ajay: idk
May 01 20:21:23 <PatrickC_Pre> brb
May 01 20:21:31 <avarus> I've seen videos where they showed the veer and it looks way faster and they could open a lot of apps and the phone didn't care too much
May 01 20:22:15 <SineOt> yeah, but that's due to it running a more modern webOS build and having a Snapdragon variant under the hood
May 01 20:22:26 <avarus> yea, and more ram :)
May 01 20:22:27 <PatrickC_Pre> ^^ yep
May 01 20:22:37 <PatrickC_Pre> I can't wait to get mine :D
May 01 20:23:06 <PatrickC_Pre> I would rather have a Veer then my Pre-
May 01 20:25:27 <PatrickC_Pre> anyone got a promo code for NDrive? :P
May 01 20:28:07 <hlfhlo> hah.  fired up a little logging for the proxy parody
May 01 20:30:57 <avarus> PatrickC_Pre, ordered a veer?
May 01 20:31:06 <PatrickC_Pre> not yet :/
May 01 20:31:22 <PatrickC_Pre> I want one though :)
May 01 20:31:46 * ajay definitely wants a promo code for nDrive! :)
May 01 20:32:08 <ajay> avarus: order? is that a joke?  (I didn't know it was up for preorder)
May 01 20:32:15 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm signing up for their beta now :)
May 01 20:32:29 <ajay> beta??
May 01 20:32:31 <avarus> ajay, it's not but I don't live in the US so I don't know :)
May 01 20:32:46 <avarus> o2 said they will offer it in june
May 01 20:33:44 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre: you're signing up for the ndrive beta you're saying?  why didn't i know about this earlier?! doh!
May 01 20:35:10 <PatrickC_Pre> ajay: google my friend ;)
May 01 20:35:25 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre: yeah found it, but can't understand what to do, so i'm just registering for their forum, hope that works! :)
May 01 20:35:34 <PatrickC_Pre> same here :)
May 01 20:35:53 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre: my point was more why didn't i know about this earlier, and i can't just go googling all off the handle everytime i want something, now can I?
May 01 20:36:31 <ajay> ;^)
May 01 20:36:34 <PatrickC_Pre> lol.. I was looking for nDrive promo codes and stumbled across it
May 01 20:36:41 <avarus> doctor google, please tell me what I can enter into you...I perhaps missed something
May 01 20:37:05 <ajay> man there's GOT to be an easy way to take mp4->dvd :(
May 01 20:37:33 <PatrickC_Pre> SlyFox or Nero?
May 01 20:38:49 * PatrickC_Pre hopes the admin approves soon :D
May 01 20:39:06 <ajay> look for a linux/OSS s/w solution..
May 01 20:39:46 <PatrickC_Pre> does Nero not work on Linux?
May 01 20:47:06 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm hoping Palm does a dev device givaway with the Veer ;)
May 01 20:47:17 <hlfhlo> meh
May 01 20:48:24 <PatrickC_Pre> what?
May 01 20:49:07 * hlfhlo thinks that the dev device giveaway is to open etm
May 01 20:49:10 <hlfhlo> atm*
May 01 20:49:31 <avarus> the veer is not too expensive; you probably just can afford it :)
May 01 20:50:22 <RagingMind> ajay, I've seen programs that do that easily on linux, I'd help if I really didn't have to leave in the next minute for work
May 01 20:50:33 <RagingMind> if you're on debian, do some searched in synaptic
May 01 20:51:11 <ajay> RagingMind: np, i should have taken off for may day hours ago ! :(
May 01 20:54:31 <ajay> peace
May 01 21:48:50 <LoneStar99> can we still upload apps for 1.4.5?
May 01 21:58:32 <Klownicle> Question for the informed.  When you write too much to a webos cookie, (ie more then 1mb?) does mojo error out and tell you or does it just write the data.  Becuase when I write good json data to a mojo cookie, the next time the app loads I get a bad json error and its the entire mojo cookie for the app (not just the data I wrote).
May 01 21:58:36 <Klownicle> Any ideas?
May 01 22:06:19 <LoneStar99> i use cookies but with very little infor
May 01 22:06:21 <LoneStar99> mation
May 01 22:09:26 <Klownicle> I tryed the MojoDB but it only took single values
May 01 22:09:30 <Klownicle> which was kinda gay
May 01 22:09:42 <Klownicle> It wouldn't do arrays.
May 01 22:21:31 <summatusmentis> yeah, if you can't pass an array to something, it's clearly homosexual
May 01 22:57:35 <Tibfib> what??? http://www.precentral.net/palm-snuck-new-gesture-webos-2-two-finger-swipe-launcher
May 01 22:57:40 * Tibfib never knew that
May 01 22:58:01 <Klownicle> I saw that to.
May 01 22:58:11 <Klownicle> I just hope were not going 4 finger apple.
May 01 23:05:33 <ctbeiser> I'm pretty sure that's a bug.
May 01 23:08:39 <ctbeiser> Like, it just does them sequentially. Try a two-finger up swipe in the launcher and it'll just do nothing because it goes down and back up again.
May 01 23:09:13 <ctbeiser> or better, in just type, where it'll clear your input.
May 01 23:09:35 <summatusmentis> ctbeiser: yeah, I think you might be right
May 01 23:09:55 <ctbeiser> Basically, I just can't think of a single place it'd be useful.
May 01 23:10:50 <summatusmentis> I don't know, there have been times when I'm in app, and want to get to the launcher
May 01 23:11:20 <summatusmentis> even if it is a bug, I might use it :)
May 01 23:11:21 <ctbeiser> Swipe up, holding your finger down, pulling up the launchwave, and hit the launcher icon.
May 01 23:11:33 <summatusmentis> the launch wave feels weird to me
May 01 23:11:36 <ctbeiser> It's just ergonomically impossible except on the touchstone.
May 01 23:11:50 <summatusmentis> I've never gotten used to it
May 01 23:11:52 <summatusmentis> what is?
May 01 23:12:02 <summatusmentis> the two-finger swipe?
May 01 23:12:06 <ctbeiser> unless you have two hands on it, putting two fingers on it?
May 01 23:12:06 <summatusmentis> not if you're using both hands
May 01 23:12:10 <summatusmentis> yeah
May 01 23:12:19 <ctbeiser> Yeah, I don't even usually type two handed.
May 01 23:12:20 <summatusmentis> although, that's a fair point
May 01 23:12:24 <summatusmentis> me neither
May 01 23:12:50 <ctbeiser> Double up swipe just works better for me.
May 01 23:13:04 <summatusmentis> wait, you don't type two-handed?
May 01 23:13:15 <ctbeiser> Only if I'm typing something long.
May 01 23:13:26 <summatusmentis> oh, I almost always do
May 01 23:13:36 <summatusmentis> I'm much faster
May 01 23:13:43 <summatusmentis> (typing two-handed)
May 01 23:14:30 <ctbeiser> Long texts, sure, but that's about it.
May 01 23:16:06 <Tibfib> ctbeiser: yeah, it may be a bug
May 01 23:16:39 <ctbeiser> Although I doubt they'll fix it, so that probably makes it a feature.
May 02 00:32:13 <leiru> hi
May 02 00:32:44 <leiru> sql-lite transactions are asynchronous, or am i wrong?
May 02 00:33:36 <leiru> i want call a callback, when the transaction is finished, but callback.bind(this, result); doesn't work...
May 02 00:33:38 <leiru> :(
May 02 01:06:44 <leiru> mäh
May 02 01:06:50 <leiru> i'm dumb
May 02 01:06:58 <leiru> the callback was fine
May 02 01:07:11 <leiru> 2 hrs of searching for nothing
May 02 01:08:13 <leiru> there was another listener being registered in a small method one hundred lines below
May 02 01:10:16 <leiru> that made the bug - not the db transaction and the callback.
May 02 01:10:27 <leiru> okay i'm off now
May 02 01:10:30 <leiru> bye
May 02 01:59:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 walks in
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