**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 02 02:59:57 2011
May 02 03:15:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: any news?
May 02 03:16:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> The rush to build the "Osama is Dead" app begins!
May 02 03:17:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> just got a text, is it true?? lol
May 02 03:17:47 <dkirker> watch Twitter. People won't stop about it...
May 02 03:17:57 <hlfhlo> the tweets
May 02 03:18:11 <sugardave> GW's 10-year plan pays off
May 02 03:18:27 <sugardave> (yes, I'm being very sarcastic)
May 02 03:18:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> heh
May 02 03:18:50 <dkirker> sugardave: haha
May 02 03:18:56 <sugardave> over/under on how long it takes the Republicans to take credit?
May 02 03:19:05 <hlfhlo> 2 hours
May 02 03:19:20 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I dunno, Fox is currently airing the Office
May 02 03:19:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 02 03:19:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> haha
May 02 03:20:12 <Klownicle> This news is huge.
May 02 03:20:17 <Klownicle> All my channels are talkin about it
May 02 03:20:18 <Klownicle> lol
May 02 03:20:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 03:20:26 <halfhalo> like, sliced bread huge
May 02 03:20:39 <dkirker> The good news: he's dead, the bad news (that everyone is missing): It means NOTHING
May 02 03:20:47 <sugardave> yep
May 02 03:20:51 <sugardave> #2 has been promoted
May 02 03:20:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 02 03:20:56 <dkirker> The Taliban will still live on
May 02 03:20:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I dunno, it'll be pretty big for morale
May 02 03:21:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> dkirker: in the universe I have installed, it still has the option to have it as default
May 02 03:21:28 <sugardave> there's another edge to that, though...lots of fanatics will be invigorated by his martyrdom
May 02 03:21:36 <dkirker> TSA will still grope all airline passengers, PATRIOT Act is going no where
May 02 03:21:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> anyone want to collaborate on building an "Osama is Dead" app and donate the proceeds to the Wounded Warriors project?
May 02 03:22:01 <halfhalo> hey, the TSA is a legitimate job for molesters!
May 02 03:22:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^lol
May 02 03:22:14 <dkirker> halfhalo: :o
May 02 03:22:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: hehe
May 02 03:24:21 <halfhalo> If you ever hear a child say  'I wanna be in the TSA when i grow up!" You know he's going somewhere.  Namely, jail.
May 02 03:27:34 <kjamc> Are the crazy people going to ask Obama to show us the body
May 02 03:27:50 <sugardave> yes
May 02 03:28:34 <halfhalo> "you see that stuff on the wall? Thats him"
May 02 03:29:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^ win.
May 02 03:31:10 <sugardave> I'm not seeing any footage of Muslims screaming/dancing/celebrating the end to this affrontery to their beliefs
May 02 03:31:42 <sugardave> conspiracy?
May 02 03:31:50 <halfhalo> totally
May 02 03:36:30 <kjamc> Funny how the next dvd i get from Netflix is Team America
May 02 03:41:06 <dohtem> USA! USA! USA!
May 02 03:41:20 * dohtem cooks a steak
May 02 03:51:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 03:55:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> tomorrow could be a big day :)
May 02 04:01:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/01/researchers-create-two-100-terabit-per-second-optical-connection/&category=classic&postPage=1
May 02 04:02:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://www.isosamadead.net/
May 02 04:02:54 <dohtem> that was quick
May 02 04:02:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> hahahaha
May 02 04:03:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> but... 100Tbps... I could only imagine lol
May 02 04:04:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/01/researchers-create-two-100-terabit-per-second-optical-connection/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
May 02 04:06:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Mine! :)
May 02 04:06:36 <halfhalo> to late
May 02 04:06:39 <halfhalo> tis mine
May 02 04:06:47 <halfhalo> RIIIIGHT as my desktop crashes
May 02 04:07:38 * PatrickC_Pre2 has a 3Mbps download... would like at least a 30Mbps.. let alone a 100Tbps!! :D
May 02 04:08:48 <halfhalo> hmmm.... bump down this OC or not bump down this OC...
May 02 04:09:01 <dohtem> pre or desktop?
May 02 04:09:07 <halfhalo> desktytop
May 02 04:09:22 <halfhalo> meh, plan B.  Crank the voltages to dodgy levels
May 02 04:09:44 <dohtem> OC to the max!
May 02 04:12:39 * halfhalo notes his voltage is waaaayyyy higher than recommended.  Sweeeet.
May 02 04:13:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 04:13:18 * PatrickC_Pre2 wishes he could OC his lappy :/
May 02 04:13:21 <halfhalo> then again, it is a 50% oc.
May 02 04:13:27 * halfhalo can OC his lappytops
May 02 04:13:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> mine would probably catch on fire.. lol
May 02 04:14:20 * PatrickC_Pre2 hopes Sprint gets 2.2 tomorrow :D
May 02 04:14:21 * halfhalo can oc one of his laptops from 2.4 to 3
May 02 04:14:34 <halfhalo> lol... like thats going to happen
May 02 04:14:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesome
May 02 04:14:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> well... there's a lot of rumors goin around... it /might/ be true
May 02 04:15:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I'm not getting my hopes up
May 02 04:15:09 <halfhalo> this is _sprint_ we are talking about
May 02 04:15:15 <sugardave> not happening
May 02 04:15:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> its not _vzw_ though
May 02 04:15:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> sprint did get 1.4.5 before any other US carrier iirc
May 02 04:15:53 <halfhalo> and then got nothing.
May 02 04:16:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> well... true.. but they did get the update first
May 02 04:16:26 <halfhalo> that was ages ago.  means nothing now
May 02 04:16:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm... how would I get the update? I'm meta-doctored lol
May 02 04:16:58 <halfhalo> fail
May 02 04:22:10 <sugardave> how would sprint phones get 2.2 tomorrow?
May 02 04:22:58 <dohtem> HBO.com should be taken out back and shot!
May 02 04:25:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> sugardave: its a rumor
May 02 04:25:36 <sugardave> how would it happen?
May 02 04:25:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> they are supposedly getting 2.2 on May 2nd
May 02 04:25:46 <sugardave> explain how I would get 2.2 on my pre -
May 02 04:25:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> OTA/Doctor I believe
May 02 04:25:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> lemme find the chat..
May 02 04:25:59 <sugardave> not happening
May 02 04:26:16 <halfhalo> ever
May 02 04:26:17 <sugardave> 1.4.5 OTA to 2.2?
May 02 04:26:19 <sugardave> hahahaha
May 02 04:26:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280957-palm-pixi-sprint-webos-2-0-a.html
May 02 04:27:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> if it doesn't happen, zacky59 will be devastated lol
May 02 04:28:30 <ajay> whats good
May 02 04:28:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280957-palm-pixi-sprint-webos-2-0-a.html
May 02 04:28:45 <Loudergood> prediction: zacky59 is going to disappear after tomorrow
May 02 04:28:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> possible 2.2 Sprint release tomorrow
May 02 04:28:53 <sugardave> ajay: 2.2 on sprint tomorrow, apparently
May 02 04:29:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> Loudergood: lol..
May 02 04:29:17 <ajay> sugardave: are pigs flying tomorrow too?
May 02 04:29:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> ajay: see link
May 02 04:29:37 * ajay mourns his bitterness at hPalm.. it serves none!
May 02 04:29:40 <ajay> loadin
May 02 04:30:02 <ajay> maybe the Vz Pre2 can get 2.1 then.. ;^)
May 02 04:30:09 <sugardave> ajay: well, it depends on if the demonic icecapades finish on time
May 02 04:30:47 <ajay> this is a strange chat
May 02 04:31:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 02 04:31:11 <ajay> it's like, Zach is making the rep say this stuff..
May 02 04:31:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> some of it looks... fake.. kinda
May 02 04:31:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah, exactly. it looks like the rep is saying it to make the customer happy
May 02 04:32:02 <Klownicle> 2.2 re: zacky59
May 02 04:32:04 <Klownicle> its all a scam.
May 02 04:32:31 <Klownicle> You could go on the sprint chats and ask them when ios 4.3 is coming to the pre and they would tell you anything to make ya happy.
May 02 04:32:55 <ajay> where did his may2nd date even come from in the first place?! this is maddening.. why are you making me read this.. WHY........!!!
May 02 04:33:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 04:33:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> Klownicle: you should do that :D
May 02 04:34:21 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre2: how about if you just summarize for me instead of me reading 155 more posts? :)
May 02 04:34:42 <ajay> or tell me where to find the proof in the thread
May 02 04:34:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> ajay: basically the first post is all that needs to be read :)
May 02 04:34:55 <ajay> oh ok, good thing i asked.. :)
May 02 04:34:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> and, its all rumor.. no hard evidence yet
May 02 04:35:12 <ajay> i can't see how sprint would release 2.2 tmrw..
May 02 04:35:42 <ajay> but .. well, i find 2.1 on my vzPre+ to be shit, but then again, as i've discovered in recent days, my phone is shit.. (it's CONSTANTLY locking up)
May 02 04:35:42 <Klownicle> Mr ZACK the COMEDIAN, went on to say a sprint rep said it could happen at 11:59pm.. lmao
May 02 04:36:32 * PatrickC_Pre2 waits :D
May 02 04:36:52 <Klownicle> Im not even going to check precentral till tuesday :-p
May 02 04:37:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> I check P|C all the time
May 02 04:37:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> for news on and Palm/HP related stuff
May 02 04:38:03 <ajay> Klownicle: that'll teach them to let forum posts like this happen.. ;^)
May 02 04:38:09 <Klownicle> Lol
May 02 04:38:30 <Klownicle> Ill no doubt end up checking around tommorrow but im really not expecting to see it.
May 02 04:38:40 <Klownicle> Im on the pc all day so its inevitble for me to check.
May 02 04:38:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ same here
May 02 04:38:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> I want it, but not getting my hopes ip
May 02 04:38:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> up*
May 02 04:39:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> my sprint pre- needs to go in for repair anyway
May 02 04:39:08 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre2: why does the meta-doctor solution not suffice for you?
May 02 04:39:16 <Klownicle> I already got 2.1 on my pre minus, and it runs like a sloth most of the time.
May 02 04:39:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> ajay: what do you mean?
May 02 04:39:43 <Klownicle> So I could only hope a offical version has some more tweaks or somthing.
May 02 04:40:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> and carrier apps
May 02 04:40:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> Sprint Nav
May 02 04:40:20 <ajay> oh, yea.. ;^)
May 02 04:40:34 <Klownicle> Patrick I hope you already have Sprint Nav on your pre...
May 02 04:40:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> Klownicle: oh, I do.. but for others
May 02 04:41:01 <Klownicle> Thinkin about others ;) lol
May 02 04:41:03 <Klownicle> How sweet.
May 02 04:41:13 <ajay> I still haven't talked to anyone that tried to sideload sprint nav from 1.4.5 and failed yet, i'd like to know that someone competent was trying to do it
May 02 04:41:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> ajay: it won't work
May 02 04:41:34 <Klownicle> ajay you don't use the 1.4.5 version
May 02 04:41:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> I tried it, it fails out
May 02 04:41:38 <Klownicle> theres a 2.x version around.
May 02 04:41:46 <Klownicle> the 1.4.5 will NEVER work on 2.x
May 02 04:42:07 <ajay> weird the appcat notification sometimes reports 6 apps to update, but there's always only 5
May 02 04:42:32 <ajay> Klownicle: like i said, until i hear from someone that tried (the right way) and failed i won't believe that.
May 02 04:42:41 <ajay> maybe i should pick up a sprint pre off CL and try..
May 02 04:43:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> ajay: what do you mean "the right way"?
May 02 04:43:37 <ajay> there are different ways to install apps..
May 02 04:43:46 <ajay> some strategies install to /usr, others to /media
May 02 04:44:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> I tried with regular palm-install and with -force-depends
May 02 04:44:12 <Klownicle> ajay its not possible.  Just give it up.  lol
May 02 04:44:28 <Klownicle> It has nothing to do with how its installed.
May 02 04:44:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> and installing the packages in different orders (yeah, more then one package)
May 02 04:44:30 <ajay> Klownicle: i can't give up because i haven't started to try :)
May 02 04:44:45 <Klownicle> The service for 1.4.5 is not complaint with 2.x
May 02 04:44:56 <Klownicle> So its just not possible even if you tryed to you were blue in the face.
May 02 04:45:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> ajay: I believe that the 1.4.5 version uses Java services, which are not in 2.x
May 02 04:45:20 <ajay> well then i'm glad there's a 2.x version around then :)
May 02 04:45:49 <ajay> the only reason i belabor the point is because nobody believed me that vzNav would work on 2.1, because everyone else was installing it the wrong way
May 02 04:46:01 <Klownicle> vzNav will work.
May 02 04:46:11 <Klownicle> Becuase theres a 2.x version out publically.
May 02 04:46:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> on sprint?
May 02 04:46:16 <Klownicle> Its a different scenerio all together.
May 02 04:46:37 <ajay> Klownicle: but nobody was willing to believe that, because so many people failed to get it to work
May 02 04:46:48 <ajay> (initially)
May 02 04:47:09 <Klownicle> nobody != smart people ;)
May 02 04:48:01 <ajay> oh, there were multiple smart people that wouldn't believe me
May 02 04:48:14 <ajay> anyone have a case recommendation for the Pre2?
May 02 04:48:36 <ajay> i was hoping to stick with the holster, but i read somewhere they're horribly unattractive, plus i don't think there are any
May 02 04:48:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> no case
May 02 04:49:22 <ajay> i was planning to just grab the phantom skinz someone rec'd on P|C.. there was another rec i forget..
May 02 04:52:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> I've had my pre2 for about 2-3 months, and had no case for it
May 02 04:53:06 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre2: to each their own?
May 02 04:53:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> what? lol
May 02 04:53:39 <ajay> I don't get your point :)
May 02 04:53:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't have a case, and I've got no scratches on it :)
May 02 04:54:38 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre2: well, if i wasn't negligent with my pre (even w case) maybe it wouldn't be so screwed up, so unfortunately i doubt that'd work for me :)
May 02 04:55:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 04:55:58 <ajay> i wish there was a site that cached craigslist postings
May 02 04:56:45 <ajay> Wow, someone's selling a VzPre2 for $160, that sounds cheap
May 02 04:59:13 <ajay> hmm, all these ebayers posting "pre 2" stuff with pictures that are clearly the sprint pre .. color me skeptical
May 02 04:59:21 <ajay> (accessories)
May 02 05:00:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 05:05:02 <ajay> maybe i'm becoming less skilled, but i'm less frequently able to successfully pull off the battery hot swap (pre)
May 02 05:05:19 <ajay> oh, maybe it's just because all my OEM charger cables are going bad.. yeah.. that must be it
May 02 05:07:36 <ajay> keith: you around?
May 02 05:11:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> man.. I tried to /nick keith and he's logged on lol
May 02 05:12:11 <ajay> PatrickC_Pre2: is there some identity theft you want to talk to us about?
May 02 05:12:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm off to bed
May 02 05:12:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
May 02 05:12:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> ajay: heh
May 02 05:12:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe*
May 02 05:12:45 <ajay> night patrick
May 02 05:12:55 <ajay_2> hehe
May 02 05:12:58 <ajay_2> night :D
May 02 05:13:23 <PatrickC_Sleepin> night ajay
May 02 05:13:55 <PatrickC_Sleepin> wait.. any news?? lol
May 02 05:14:42 <PatrickC_Sleepin> nope.. no news.. night
May 02 05:18:50 <swisstomcat> morning
May 02 05:23:09 <dkirker> hi ajay! hi swisstomcat!
May 02 05:23:30 <ajay> dkirker: hey mister!
May 02 05:23:38 <ajay> dkirker: did you get that email i cc'd you on btw?
May 02 05:24:35 <dkirker> ajay: Oh yeah! Sorry, I have been so busy, I forgot to reply. I think switching between SF and the South Bay has its positives and negatives.
May 02 05:24:44 <dkirker> I'll respond back tonight or tomorrow night.
May 02 05:25:10 <ajay> dkirker: oh no reply necessary, i just wanted to make sure it went out.. i was hoping dude would reply back but clearly, i didn't inspire him! alas
May 02 05:25:26 <ajay> actually, yeah no a reply would be interesting.. scratch what i just wrote :)
May 02 05:25:34 <dkirker> haha, ok :)
May 02 05:32:05 <swisstomcat> hey dkirker
May 02 05:32:58 <ajay> if dkirker knows swisstomcat, do i also?
May 02 05:33:23 <swisstomcat> maybe?
May 02 05:33:30 <swisstomcat> i'm not very well known
May 02 05:34:59 * ajay is not internationally known ...But I'm known to rock the microphon...Because I get stoopid, I mean outrageous 
May 02 05:35:32 <ajay> swisstomcat: unless you were at one of those recent bay area webos events then no :)  (was hoping d'd answer the q.. :)
May 02 05:37:50 <swisstomcat> gotta go to work
May 02 05:38:06 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 02 05:42:40 <RagingMind> dkirker, I'm assuming Universe is a new gui on the built in webkit?
May 02 05:43:25 <dkirker> RagingMind: yes
May 02 05:43:34 <dkirker> with a bunch of extra features
May 02 05:44:19 <RagingMind> so with the built in browser I've noticed that I can't leave pages open for too long, or when I come back they are blank and I have to reload
May 02 05:44:27 <RagingMind> does that still happen with universe?
May 02 05:45:05 <RagingMind> also happens sometimes just after a page has loaded, and it's *always* done this.  after several doctors and after my phone's been replaced
May 02 05:45:18 <dkirker> hmm
May 02 05:45:27 <dkirker> have you tried scrolling the page when it does this?
May 02 05:46:23 <RagingMind> Yup... I get the address bar, but that's all that shows up until I reload
May 02 05:46:34 <dkirker> hmm
May 02 05:46:48 <RagingMind> it happens often enough that I kinda gave up on using my phone for web browsing
May 02 05:47:12 <dkirker> which deivce/OS>
May 02 05:47:14 <dkirker> *?
May 02 05:47:49 <RagingMind> VZW Pre+ with 1.4.5 for most of the time, and recently updated to 2.1 with meta-doc and it still happens
May 02 05:47:49 <dkirker> it may be a bug in the browser-app architecture (what it sounds like)
May 02 05:48:01 <dkirker> hmm
May 02 05:48:02 <RagingMind> I was SO hoping that 2.1 would fix this
May 02 05:48:22 <SineOt> RagingMind: that's a built in webkit problem I think
May 02 05:48:39 <SineOt> or at least a webOS problem where I believe what happens is that it flushes idle pages to save memory
May 02 05:48:43 <ajay> there's a patch for the reloading, does that not help?
May 02 05:48:49 <RagingMind> it goes blank, and for scrolling I"m limited to an area screen-sized right around the address bar
May 02 05:48:50 <SineOt> and has problems reloading them
May 02 05:49:06 <SineOt> and hey dkirker :>
May 02 05:49:17 <RagingMind> SineOt, it also happens sometimes right after a page has finished loading
May 02 05:49:29 <ajay> i have that problem all the time, precentral app, etc, even right after loading
May 02 05:50:11 <ajay> actually the PC app is the worst, i shouldnt say etc
May 02 05:50:16 <SineOt> premature garbage collection?
May 02 05:50:21 <SineOt> PREmature har har har har :U
May 02 05:50:25 <ajay> but at least that one it's not rquiring a reload, i just have to scroll around
May 02 05:50:31 <ajay> oh. hah
May 02 05:59:37 <dkirker> The best I can suggest is if somebody can send me detailed steps to reproduce this (I need details, like hardware, OS, URLs, how many cards should be opened) to my palm.com email, or to Chuq (I'm not in a customer facing position, so I don't believe that I am the one that can be fielding these kinds of requests). I can't make any promises.
May 02 06:00:33 <RagingMind> it happens often enough that I would really be shocked if someone didn't know about it already
May 02 06:00:40 <ajay> +1
May 02 06:01:58 * ajay thinks it's pretty interesting to watch his pre+ screen let him know w/ flickers before it locks up
May 02 06:02:35 <dkirker> I am sure it has been taken care of...
May 02 06:03:18 <ajay> i want to ask someone why my resume looks so shitty, but really, i just need to start from scratch.. arg
May 02 06:06:47 <rwhitby> RagingMind: there's a patch for that I think
May 02 06:07:54 <SineOt> you'd be surprised at the stuff that seems to slip through the cracks on projects :<
May 02 06:08:00 <SineOt> even if they get constantly reported
May 02 06:08:33 <rwhitby> If you don't have a NOV number, then it's not reported.
May 02 06:09:06 <rwhitby> Even if you have a NOV number (which I do for the GPS Southern Hemisphere fatal bug in webOS 1.3.5 and later), it may still not be fixed over a year later ...
May 02 06:10:02 <RagingMind> I see "No Auto Refresh After Idle"
May 02 06:10:15 <rwhitby> sounds like it
May 02 06:10:58 <RagingMind> but what about when it happens just after the page finishes loading the first time and I never changed to a different card or anything?
May 02 06:11:15 <ajay> oh wait i don't think i have that..
May 02 06:11:16 <rwhitby> then I suspect you've simply run out of memory
May 02 06:11:32 <ajay> i do think i have trouble getting universe to load pages the first time though, need to upgrade to 1.0 and be sure though..
May 02 06:13:12 <RagingMind> If I've run out of memory then something else is broken, I know I've had it happen after having just a couple cards open with the web browser and nothing else
May 02 06:29:35 <ajay> computer's gettin slow+crazy, gtg..
May 02 06:41:27 <SineOt> Urggghhh. Easy way to get files off the emulator?
May 02 06:41:39 <rwhitby> novacom get or scp
May 02 06:42:05 <SineOt> ah, scp! hadn't even thought of that
May 02 08:28:45 <swisstomcat> morning
May 02 08:30:20 <dkirker> 'morning swisstomcat!
May 02 08:35:42 <swisstomcat> hey
May 02 08:35:51 <swisstomcat> first day at hp for me :)
May 02 08:36:15 <hotdp> are you "at" hp ?
May 02 08:36:25 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 02 08:36:27 <dkirker> swisstomcat: yay!
May 02 08:36:40 <hotdp> ohh so no remote position?
May 02 08:36:48 <swisstomcat> well, right now i'm at home
May 02 08:36:51 <hotdp> hp in switss?
May 02 08:36:56 <swisstomcat> i'll work at the swiss office from time to time
May 02 08:37:02 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 02 08:38:37 <hotdp> oki
May 02 08:38:40 <hotdp> is it close to home?
May 02 08:40:18 <dkirker> AHAHAHAHAHA I haven't seen this in soooo long! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j0qqPFJAfo
May 02 08:41:52 <swisstomcat> yeah, the hp office is close by
May 02 08:41:54 <swisstomcat> which is nice
May 02 08:41:59 <hotdp> thats great
May 02 08:42:06 <hotdp> have a good working day then
May 02 08:45:23 <swisstomcat> i can't really work yet ... need an account and notebook first
May 02 08:45:38 <hotdp> i see :s
May 02 08:45:47 <hotdp> where they not prepared?
May 02 08:47:40 <swisstomcat> doesn't look like :)
May 02 08:47:46 <swisstomcat> it takes time to set everything up
May 02 08:47:55 <hotdp> :s i hate when it happens
May 02 11:32:42 <dawm> wtf.. i goto bed and wake up and the internets are a tizzy..
May 02 11:34:27 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 02 11:34:32 <swisstomcat> WTF happend?
May 02 11:34:48 <dawm> basically -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
May 02 11:36:30 <swisstomcat> here is a fitting comment imho: "Yay Osama is dead, the Middle East is all fixed now!"
May 02 12:24:56 <PatrickC_Sleepin> morning all
May 02 12:31:21 <swisstomcat> morning
May 02 12:31:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> nDrive approved me for their beta!!! :D
May 02 12:31:33 <swisstomcat> yay
May 02 12:31:39 <swisstomcat> where did you have to write to?
May 02 12:32:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> go to http://beta.ndrive.com and sign up
May 02 12:32:39 <swisstomcat> thanks
May 02 12:33:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> np
May 02 12:34:45 <swisstomcat> signed up
May 02 12:34:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
May 02 12:34:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> it took 1 day for me to get approved
May 02 12:35:05 <swisstomcat> let's see if they accept me in my new role :)
May 02 12:36:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
May 02 12:39:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey thomaschaaf_
May 02 12:39:48 <thomaschaaf_> Hey
May 02 12:41:40 <thomaschaaf_> PatrickC_Pre2: what have you been up to?
May 02 12:41:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> nm
May 02 12:41:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> just got approved for the nDrive beta :)
May 02 12:42:06 <hotdp> PatrickC_Pre2: what countries has maps?
May 02 12:42:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> its installing
May 02 12:42:15 <hotdp> Denmark?
May 02 12:42:19 <hotdp> ohh
May 02 12:42:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll let you know in 1 second :)
May 02 12:42:24 <hotdp> please tell me
May 02 12:42:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> 74MB file...
May 02 12:42:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ is just the app.. no maps lol
May 02 12:44:00 <thomaschaaf_> PatrickC_Pre2: a good voice generator is big..
May 02 12:44:29 <hotdp> do you have to download one map at time?
May 02 12:44:33 <thomaschaaf_> I wounder when we get an API to recognize voices
May 02 12:44:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> I believe so
May 02 12:44:41 <thomaschaaf_> hotdp: every country costs money
May 02 12:44:48 <thomaschaaf_> I think 30 usd per country
May 02 12:44:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> hotdp: what part of the world were you looking fo?
May 02 12:45:15 <thomaschaaf_> PatrickC_Pre2:  denmark
May 02 12:45:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> here are my choices to start out:
May 02 12:46:11 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp and thomaschaaf
May 02 12:46:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> Africa & Middle East, Americas, Asia & Oceania, Eastern Europe, Western Europe
May 02 12:46:48 <thomaschaaf_> swisstomcat: PatrickC_Pre2: http://bit.ly/lu3Hyl this is what I have been doing the last week
May 02 12:47:03 <thomaschaaf_> sorry I look like the nervous geeky kid I am :D
May 02 12:47:12 <thomaschaaf_> should have gotten a haircut :/
May 02 12:47:17 <hotdp> wuhu PatrickC_Pre2 i want western eu
May 02 12:47:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
May 02 12:52:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> my patch is live!!! :)
May 02 12:58:07 <thomaschaaf_> PatrickC_Pre2: link?
May 02 12:58:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> for what? my patch?
May 02 13:00:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> man.. I don't think I'll be able to compete with nDrive in anything but price :/
May 02 13:01:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> thomaschaaf_: its in preware :)
May 02 13:02:26 <thomaschaaf_> swisstomcat: what have you been up to? Can I visit sometime?
May 02 13:02:42 <swisstomcat> not much ;)
May 02 13:02:59 <swisstomcat> are you coming to webosconnect berlin?
May 02 13:06:31 <thomaschaaf_> swisstomcat: when is that?
May 02 13:06:36 <thomaschaaf_> will you be there?
May 02 13:06:58 <swisstomcat> i don't know when it is but i'll be there :)
May 02 13:07:29 <swisstomcat> today was my first day at HP Switzerland, working in European Developer Relations
May 02 13:07:35 <swisstomcat> :D
May 02 13:08:24 <thomaschaaf_> swisstomcat: so you now get paid to do ircing? or what are your plans?
May 02 13:08:35 <swisstomcat> yep :D
May 02 13:08:54 <swisstomcat> irc,forum,twitter,conferences,meetups,workshops,...
May 02 13:09:44 <thomaschaaf_> so what are you going to change that wasn't here before?
May 02 13:16:37 <thomaschaaf_> Can you make devices suck less?
May 02 13:17:45 <thomaschaaf_> I like the feel of a brick (iphone) more than a cheap remote control (pre1&plus)
May 02 13:18:02 <thomaschaaf_> pre2 feels like an iphone 3g so it's okay..
May 02 13:18:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> or get me my Veer/Pre3 sooner? ;)
May 02 13:19:23 <thomaschaaf_> I guess pre3 I haven't held yet..
May 02 13:19:27 <swisstomcat> thomaschaaf: i'll make sure that european developer relations & support is improved
May 02 13:19:38 <thomaschaaf_> will the pre3 be around at the webos connect event?
May 02 13:19:47 <thomaschaaf_> got to play with a playbook
May 02 13:19:50 <swisstomcat> i don't know
May 02 13:19:59 <thomaschaaf_> (they were api sponsor at the hackathon)
May 02 13:20:23 <thomaschaaf_> hp should try to get into some hackathons
May 02 13:21:01 <swisstomcat> yeah, that'd be cool
May 02 13:21:09 <swisstomcat> if you know of any, let me know
May 02 13:21:13 <swisstomcat> (in europe that is)
May 02 13:21:24 <thomaschaaf_> swisstomcat: thenextweb was in amsterdam
May 02 13:21:33 <thomaschaaf_> I won :)
May 02 13:21:38 <thomaschaaf_> with http://emailtox.com
May 02 13:22:06 <thomaschaaf_> reviewtomail.com was mine to I seem to like XtoY.com domains :D
May 02 13:22:07 <swisstomcat> yay!
May 02 13:22:38 <thomaschaaf_> swisstomcat: http://emailtox.com/demo/ try that
May 02 13:23:14 <swisstomcat> cool, that works
May 02 13:23:43 <thomaschaaf_> won 2.5 k in amazon aws credits.. so my day today consits of playing with aws :D
May 02 13:24:06 <thomaschaaf_> just building facebooks hiphop php on my instace
May 02 13:24:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 13:24:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> has sprint released 2.2 yet (not that my hopes are up)
May 02 13:24:40 <thomaschaaf_> there is a 2.2?
May 02 13:24:44 <thomaschaaf_> I am still on 2.1
May 02 13:25:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> its a rumor that sprint will release 2.2 (but take it with a grain of salt)
May 02 13:25:12 <thomaschaaf_> btw.. why did palm FORCE update the catalog? I saw it update without me accepting anythin
May 02 13:25:46 <thomaschaaf_> I was on roaming.. -> costing me real money :/
May 02 13:25:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> its a good update
May 02 13:25:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> oh... :/
May 02 13:26:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would contact Palm about that...
May 02 13:26:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> swisstomcat: :)
May 02 13:26:57 <thomaschaaf_> just really interessted what they were thinking.. because I had roaming turned on for emails and not to get auto updated
May 02 13:28:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know what you are saying...
May 02 13:28:35 * PatrickC_Pre2 has unlimited roaming.. but still..
May 02 13:31:10 <thomaschaaf_> PatrickC_Pre2: you can have unlimited ROAMING?!
May 02 13:31:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> on sprint yeah
May 02 13:31:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not charged for roaming data
May 02 13:33:42 <hotdp> thomaschaaf_ we get fucked here in europe
May 02 13:34:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> hotdp: patch is live :)
May 02 13:36:12 <hotdp> yer i read it:)
May 02 13:36:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep :D
May 02 13:45:13 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: wait so if you go to amterdam you don't have to pay?
May 02 13:45:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> do they have CDMA towers?
May 02 13:45:31 <hotdp> nope
May 02 13:45:37 <hotdp> we use GSM
May 02 13:45:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> then I won't have signal :D
May 02 13:45:49 <hotdp> So your phone will not owkr :d
May 02 13:45:52 <hotdp> *work
May 02 13:46:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I have a UMTS Pre2 that I could use
May 02 13:46:31 <thomaschaaf> ah so it's like selling when you buy my apps for webos you get the iphone app for free aswell
May 02 13:46:48 <thomaschaaf> because there aint no app for iphone and no cell towers with cdma outside the us
May 02 13:46:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah, kinda
May 02 13:47:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> I roam inside the US for free
May 02 13:47:04 <thomaschaaf> love the marketing
May 02 13:47:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> and have my UMTS Pre2 for international ;)
May 02 13:47:45 <thomaschaaf> PatrickC_Pre2: what does roam mean for you? for us it means to travel into another country where your provider isn't available
May 02 13:48:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> it means I use another cell providers network
May 02 13:48:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> for me, its Verizon.. if I have no Sprint service, then I use Verizon's towers
May 02 13:48:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I rarely travel outside the US
May 02 13:49:32 <Loudergood> yeah where you live that'd be a long trip
May 02 13:49:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 02 14:06:25 <swisstomcat> ndrive installed :)
May 02 14:06:46 <swisstomcat> now waiting for maps
May 02 14:07:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here
May 02 14:07:46 <hotdp> uhhh
May 02 14:07:52 <hotdp> are the maps downloading automaticly?
May 02 14:08:00 <swisstomcat> not in the beta
May 02 14:08:05 <hotdp> what then?
May 02 14:08:12 <funkatron> HEY DOGG
May 02 14:08:14 <swisstomcat> i don't know yet :)
May 02 14:08:17 <swisstomcat> hey funkatron!
May 02 14:08:31 <hotdp> hi funkatron
May 02 14:08:34 <funkatron> hey folks
May 02 14:08:37 <hotdp> bbl
May 02 14:08:43 <funkatron> how's the new gig swisstomcat?
May 02 14:08:55 <swisstomcat> funkatron: too early to tell :)
May 02 14:09:00 <funkatron> hahah I hear ya 8D
May 02 14:09:11 <swisstomcat> still trying to get settled in
May 02 14:09:25 <funkatron> well congrats, sounds like a great fit for you
May 02 14:09:28 <swisstomcat> my boss wakes up at 5pm my time :)
May 02 14:09:36 <funkatron> haha yeah I hear ya
May 02 14:09:48 <funkatron> I have done contracting with folks in the UK
May 02 14:09:55 <swisstomcat> funkatron: thanks ... yeah, i'm very excited :)
May 02 14:09:59 <funkatron> it's not as bad because I'm on the east coast, but yeah
May 02 14:10:02 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 02 14:10:16 <swisstomcat> do you know if the jqm folks got their pre2 to test on?
May 02 14:10:26 <funkatron> so I *think* so
May 02 14:10:26 <funkatron> but
May 02 14:10:30 <funkatron> I haven't heard much
May 02 14:10:33 <swisstomcat> hmm
May 02 14:10:36 <swisstomcat> need to track that
May 02 14:10:47 <funkatron> however, the issue is marked as a blocker and priority. yeah, I think pinging them would be a really good idea
May 02 14:10:50 <swisstomcat> they'll have someone presenting at mobilism
May 02 14:10:57 <swisstomcat> mid may
May 02 14:11:05 <funkatron> https://github.com/jquery/jquery-mobile/issues/1337
May 02 14:11:37 <swisstomcat> palm/hp also needs to chime in
May 02 14:11:56 <funkatron> they do, yes
May 02 14:12:08 <swisstomcat> need to keep them on their toes :)
May 02 14:12:16 <funkatron> fwiw I think this is a vendor-introduced issue, and now jqm has to work around it
May 02 14:12:20 <funkatron> which is a bummer
May 02 14:12:22 <swisstomcat> it is
May 02 14:12:31 <swisstomcat> something wrong with gradients in 2.1
May 02 14:12:44 <funkatron> yeah
May 02 14:12:45 <swisstomcat> also the basetagtest is something else that's vendor-introduced
May 02 14:12:49 <funkatron> right
May 02 14:13:02 <funkatron> yeah I… I have been disappointed by the QC on webkit in webOS
May 02 14:13:15 <funkatron> but I don't need to tell you all that
May 02 14:13:19 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 02 14:13:22 <swisstomcat> old story
May 02 14:13:24 <swisstomcat> :/
May 02 14:13:35 <funkatron> I'm sure
May 02 14:13:46 <swisstomcat> not much i can do about it except raising the issues again and again
May 02 14:13:51 <funkatron> well
May 02 14:13:59 <funkatron> squeaky wheel and such. it helps.
May 02 14:14:04 <swisstomcat> it does
May 02 14:14:07 <funkatron> I may post about it blog-wise
May 02 14:14:11 <swisstomcat> do that
May 02 14:14:31 <swisstomcat> geo-restrictions is another pet-peeve of mine :)
May 02 14:14:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 14:15:04 <swisstomcat> no paid apps in my country
May 02 14:16:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> :/
May 02 14:17:16 <funkatron> yeah
May 02 14:17:28 <funkatron> swisstomcat: presumably you are in switzerland?
May 02 14:17:41 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 02 14:17:46 <funkatron> Seems like there are a lot of Deutchlander spaz users
May 02 14:17:51 <funkatron> Deutschlander
May 02 14:17:55 <swisstomcat> deutsche
May 02 14:18:11 <swisstomcat> maybe even swiss ones :)
May 02 14:18:20 <swisstomcat> is spaz in german?
May 02 14:19:23 <funkatron> no translation yet
May 02 14:19:33 <funkatron> actually I may. seems like Mojo stuff will be around a bit
May 02 14:20:04 <funkatron> almost everything is in JS for the user-seen strings, so would not be hard. the HTML stuff is a bit more of a pain; I don't want to do multiple templates
May 02 14:20:21 <funkatron> yeah, Deutsche makes more sense. derp
May 02 14:20:51 <swisstomcat> most apps i know do innerHTML replacement with $L do work around having multiple translated views
May 02 14:21:09 <swisstomcat> i'll gladly help with german
May 02 14:21:17 <swisstomcat> if you decide to do translations
May 02 14:21:20 <funkatron> swisstomcat: awesome. also I think I have a guy who can do klingon
May 02 14:21:29 <swisstomcat> heh
May 02 14:22:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 14:23:38 * madnificent is still eagerly waiting for his first sales reports :)
May 02 14:23:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
May 02 14:24:34 <funkatron> swisstomcat: isn't there a tool out there that will collect translateable strings from your codebase?
May 02 14:24:43 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 02 14:24:52 <funkatron> do you have a link for that somewhere?
May 02 14:25:06 <swisstomcat> i think i've used something with grep ...
May 02 14:25:20 <swisstomcat> if $L is already used
May 02 14:26:02 <swisstomcat> but i remember another tool
May 02 14:26:14 <swisstomcat> is somewhere in my gazillion bookmarks
May 02 14:26:30 <funkatron> right, I actually use $L already
May 02 14:26:35 <funkatron> so I could just grep it
May 02 14:26:52 <swisstomcat> yeah, grep, some regex and spit it out to a json file
May 02 14:34:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> 1.4.5.1 is out for vzw???
May 02 14:37:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning Adora!
May 02 14:37:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, it seems that 1.4.5.1 went ota?
May 02 14:42:20 * halfhalo yawns
May 02 14:43:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning halfhao
May 02 14:43:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo*
May 02 14:44:13 <swisstomcat> funkatron: did you see that unwiredben just commented on the open jqm issue?
May 02 14:44:21 <funkatron> not yet
May 02 14:44:22 <swisstomcat> adora!
May 02 14:44:39 <Adora> ruh oh
May 02 14:45:10 <swisstomcat> CATRUB! :)
May 02 14:45:31 <swisstomcat> funkatron: he asks for a public test app
May 02 14:46:37 <funkatron> swisstomcat: replied
May 02 14:49:14 * halfhalo thinks today will not go so well for him.  he already left his wallet at homr and now has to decide between food and gas to get home
May 02 14:58:15 <halfhalo> wait.... 20 won't get me home anywho.  food it is!
May 02 15:04:30 * NuttyBunny looks around
May 02 15:12:11 * PatrickC_Pre2 trips NuttyBunny
May 02 15:13:42 * NuttyBunny falls, dropping the usb memory with the full edited 2.1 Pixi and the source videos in the drain :)
May 02 15:15:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
May 02 15:15:07 * madnificent plays sewer-man and rescues the usb memory, gives it back to NuttyBunny 
May 02 15:16:53 <NuttyBunny> gross
May 02 15:16:56 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 02 15:17:10 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: You have gross memory stick right now :)
May 02 15:22:23 * NuttyBunny sticks the memory in the computer, trashing the usb port, memory, hard disk, and the entire building's network ;)  LOL
May 02 15:23:15 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: no videos? ;_;
May 02 15:23:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> no cloud backup?
May 02 15:23:53 <NuttyBunny> not yet, at least not today, weekend was a busy one... I'm recharging the camera battery ;)
May 02 15:23:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> shame on you!
May 02 15:24:07 <madnificent> and we all blame YOU, PatrickC_Pre2! ^_^
May 02 15:24:35 * PatrickC_Pre2 goes to corner and stays there
May 02 15:25:10 * madnificent thinks this is the downfall of WebOS, live!  Slowly all devs are falling out.  Someone please come to the rescue
May 02 15:29:19 <NuttyBunny> While looking for Osama: http://twitpic.com/4sejay   hehehe
May 02 15:30:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> NuttyBunny: hahaha
May 02 15:43:25 <swisstomcat> bbl
May 02 15:48:48 <madnificent> is there a way to check if there's a gesture area available
May 02 15:48:53 <madnificent> hello hotdp
May 02 15:49:03 <madnificent> hotdp: sorry for not responding, I completely missed the window last time
May 02 15:54:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> haeffb_pre: are you sprint or vzw?
May 02 15:54:51 <haeffb_pre> currently sprint
May 02 15:55:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok.. 1.4.5 or 2.1?
May 02 15:55:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> vzw supposedly has 1.4.5.1 OTA
May 02 15:56:49 <NuttyBunny> supposedly, that's the exact word ;)
May 02 15:57:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> heh yeah
May 02 15:59:53 <hotdp> madnificent np :)
May 02 16:00:13 <madnificent> hotdp: and thanks for the answer, I'm still eagerly waiting
May 02 16:01:26 * PatrickC_Pre2 is eagerly waiting for the veer launch!!!!!
May 02 16:04:19 <hotdp> i think veer will be a succcess
May 02 16:05:35 <haeffb_pre> 2.1 on a sprintified pre2
May 02 16:06:58 <maik> still no word if Sprint will get any of these?
May 02 16:07:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> sprint is /suppose/ to get 2.2 today
May 02 16:07:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> but its not likely
May 02 16:11:16 <funkatron> hey nerds, anyone here wanna help with localization on Spaz?
May 02 16:11:45 <maik> PatrickC_Pre2: on what?
May 02 16:11:46 <halfhalo> will never ever happen.  sprint is not getting 2.2 on the old devices.
May 02 16:11:53 <maik> funkatron: sure, i can do English
May 02 16:11:54 <maik> :D
May 02 16:12:01 <funkatron> maik: I'm sure I need help with that
May 02 16:12:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> maik: the Pixi afaik
May 02 16:12:36 <maik> PatrickC_Pre2: source?
May 02 16:12:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> precentral forums
May 02 16:12:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll get the link in a second
May 02 16:13:04 <keith> i dont think chat logs from sprint reps really count for anything.
May 02 16:13:08 <Loudergood> that thread is pretty funny
May 02 16:13:12 <NuttyBunny> yeah
May 02 16:13:12 <maik> heh
May 02 16:13:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe it is funnt
May 02 16:13:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> funny*
May 02 16:13:44 <NuttyBunny> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280957-palm-pixi-sprint-webos-2-0-a.html
May 02 16:13:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> thx
May 02 16:13:58 <NuttyBunny> That zacky59 guy is just plain annoying ;)
May 02 16:14:20 <NuttyBunny> but makes me laugh
May 02 16:21:30 <hotdp> funkatron: i can do Danish ;)
May 02 16:21:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> funkatron: I can to American
May 02 16:21:59 <funkatron> hotdp: cool! I've never done this before and I'm not sure how to test locale stuff, but here is the en_us file I generated: https://github.com/funkatron/spaz-webos/blob/master/resources/en_us/strings.json
May 02 16:22:00 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: do you have spanish already?
May 02 16:22:11 <funkatron> NuttyBunny: I have nothing but US english
May 02 16:22:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 only knows American and Tennissian, not this English you speak of
May 02 16:22:58 <NuttyBunny> will it really insult my family?? :D
May 02 16:23:40 <Loudergood> and here I thought it was tennesean..
May 02 16:24:02 <Loudergood> but what do I know, I think everything south of pennsylvania is the south
May 02 16:24:51 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: do we send you the translated files or are you giving us write access?
May 02 16:25:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> Loudergood: I spell it like the person from the south would spell it :) not you northern Yankees
May 02 16:25:08 <funkatron> NuttyBunny: I'd recommend forking your own repo and then sending me a pull req
May 02 16:25:21 <funkatron> hotdp: ^^^
May 02 16:25:48 <NuttyBunny> ok, the first one I know how to, unlike the second one :)
May 02 16:25:53 * Loudergood eats pie for breakfast at one of Yankee magazine's favorite diners
May 02 16:25:54 <NuttyBunny> hey chuqui
May 02 16:26:28 <funkatron> NuttyBunny: I hear google is awesome for that
May 02 16:26:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> chuqui: morning!
May 02 16:26:56 <funkatron> NuttyBunny: http://help.github.com/pull-requests/
May 02 16:27:33 <chuqui> hey, morning!
May 02 16:28:13 <funkatron> mern
May 02 16:28:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> chuqui: where's my 2.2 on sprint? :)
May 02 16:29:18 <NuttyBunny> LMFAO
May 02 16:29:27 <NuttyBunny> you just had to ask!! HAHAHAHAHA
May 02 16:29:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe yep
May 02 16:29:53 * PatrickC_Pre2 wants his 2.2!! :)
May 02 16:30:56 * NuttyBunny scribbles something
May 02 16:33:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> my wifi-only pre+ is telling me I have a webOS update :)
May 02 16:33:44 <NuttyBunny> http://twitpic.com/4sfalk
May 02 16:33:47 <NuttyBunny> There
May 02 16:34:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> haha very funnt :P
May 02 16:34:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> funny*
May 02 16:35:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee477/patrickc14/photos-temp-0jpg.jpg
May 02 16:36:10 <NuttyBunny> hahahahaha
May 02 16:36:26 <sugardave> let's see...no 2.2 on SPrint today?  This is my shocked face:  :/
May 02 16:37:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> no, but 1.4.5.1 on VZW
May 02 16:38:58 <Loudergood> NuttyBunny: you should post that in the sprint 2.2 thread
May 02 16:39:10 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha
May 02 16:39:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> do it
May 02 16:39:42 <NuttyBunny> No, I don't want to be accused of causing massive suicides ;)
May 02 16:41:26 <sugardave> but, 1.4.5.1 on vzw != 2.2 on Sprint
May 02 16:41:29 <sugardave> so, yeah
May 02 16:41:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> it says "Palm webOS 1.4.5.1" at the top, and "HP webOS 1.4.5.1" at the bottom
May 02 16:41:51 <chuqui> PatrickC_Pre2:  dunno. did you check to see if it fell between the cushions on the couch?
May 02 16:42:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> already checked there twice
May 02 16:42:19 <avarus> hi
May 02 16:42:51 <sugardave> chuqui: I have a new mission for you, go kick the finance people and tell them to release the headcount
May 02 16:43:06 <sugardave> should be an interesting diversion from your normal battles :)
May 02 16:43:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> but the vzw update doesn't do anything.. it says "downloading" and then stops, refreshes the update app, and starts again
May 02 16:45:27 <chuqui> sugardave: I will round up double the usuual suspects
May 02 16:45:54 <sugardave> awesome, make it so!
May 02 16:47:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> 56C... my pre is a little hot
May 02 16:48:09 <NuttyBunny> this one's better: http://twitpic.com/4sfg8a
May 02 16:48:50 <swisstomcat> evening
May 02 16:49:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> NuttyBunny: make it say "HP webOS" at the top
May 02 16:49:13 <sugardave> hi swisstomcat, how's HP?
May 02 16:49:36 <NuttyBunny> nah, it's better that way, so they know it's fake :)
May 02 16:49:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> well.. my update app says it just like that
May 02 16:49:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> it says "Palm webOS 1.4.5.1" at the top, and "HP webOS 1.4.5.1" at the bottom
May 02 16:50:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> and you left a 1.4.5.1 number in there ;)
May 02 16:50:41 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
May 02 16:50:47 <NuttyBunny> besides, I used the wrong font
May 02 16:50:52 <NuttyBunny> it was in a rush ;)
May 02 16:51:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 16:51:14 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: to test locales I usually change my device's language :P
May 02 16:51:41 <funkatron> NuttyBunny: good oto know
May 02 16:51:45 <funkatron> to
May 02 16:51:47 <funkatron> even
May 02 16:52:01 <funkatron> I bet I have missed a few strings to localize
May 02 16:54:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
May 02 16:54:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> lunch time
May 02 16:54:46 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: what's "Get Now Playing", does it go and asks the music player what's it playing?
May 02 17:03:52 <NuttyBunny> hey.. what's this? ANOTHER lost call on the 2.1 Pixi.. it's been about 8 since I began with this :S
May 02 17:05:31 <funkatron> NuttyBunny: yeah, except it does it with Koto
May 02 17:05:38 <funkatron> only Koto is supported atm
May 02 17:06:13 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: I supposed that when I found Koto mentioned below :)  Thanks
May 02 17:06:29 <funkatron> oooh yeah
May 02 17:10:22 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: Ok, project f**ked, and cloned.. editing now :)
May 02 17:10:42 <funkatron> **
May 02 17:10:47 <funkatron> awesome!
May 02 17:11:00 <NuttyBunny> **  = rk of course ;)
May 02 17:13:14 * NuttyBunny ducks
May 02 17:20:45 <dawm> finally... got the lawn mowed.. thank goodness too... looks like rain
May 02 17:22:20 <sugardave> I'm finally admitting defeat to the flashing screen of this Asus...it's insane..so now I get to be without a laptop for who knows how long?
May 02 17:23:19 <dawm> nice
May 02 17:23:49 <sugardave> it used to only do it when not plugged in, but not anymore...and it's getting worse.  I've almost broken my hand beating on the stupid thing
May 02 17:24:02 <NuttyBunny> netbook?
May 02 17:24:10 <sugardave> no, a full-size laptop
May 02 17:24:23 <NuttyBunny> argh.. that's not good :(
May 02 17:24:34 <Loudergood> dead backlight/inverter?
May 02 17:24:42 * NuttyBunny marks off Asus from his options
May 02 17:24:59 <avarus> sugardave, probably easy to fix (and cheap)
May 02 17:25:06 <sugardave> Loudergood: I have no idea...it's like it wants to switch into off-power/lid closed mode or something
May 02 17:25:21 <sugardave> NuttyBunny: yeah, no more Asus for me
May 02 17:25:28 <NuttyBunny> maybe the sensor/button is just dirty from the inside
May 02 17:25:32 <sugardave> avarus: hopefully, but I hate being without it
May 02 17:25:39 <avarus> you should have bought dell; they always tell you how to fix it :P
May 02 17:25:59 <avarus> at least I had the luck the last years
May 02 17:26:17 <avarus> but I had only thermic problems due to my dusty environment ;)
May 02 17:27:42 <dawm> ugh soo tired.. and its only 1:30.. why oh why did i have to buy the biggest lawn on the street..
May 02 17:28:37 <NuttyBunny> I'm so mean
May 02 17:28:40 <dawm> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mystery-BOX-medium-USPS-flat-rate-goodness-/120717675547?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1b558c1b
May 02 17:28:41 <dawm> LOL
May 02 17:28:54 <NuttyBunny> I almost feel bad for them: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2951526&posted=1#post2951526
May 02 17:29:36 <NuttyBunny> dawm: Hey! nice idea!! I could do that! hehehe
May 02 17:32:02 <cwayne> lol NuttyBunny
May 02 17:33:26 <dawm> http://twitter.com/#!/georgeb3dr/status/64902721794359297
May 02 17:33:38 <NuttyBunny> I'm still laughing.. poor guys... I'll tease them a bit later and then give them a the gift, maybe this weekend
May 02 17:33:38 <NuttyBunny> of course, unless something or someone stops me, in which case I won't be able to do anything about it :(
May 02 17:35:21 <NuttyBunny> nah... http://twitter.com/cesarneg/status/64924360191918080
May 02 17:37:37 <cwayne> sudo rm -rf /bin/laden
May 02 17:38:08 <ryanwatkins> kill -9
May 02 17:38:26 <cwayne> lolol
May 02 17:49:32 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: Why don't you separate the strings when you have 1 or several "items"? that way you can say "you have 1 new direct message" or "you have x new direct messages"... looks better in spanish to say "tienes x nuevos mensajes directos" than "tienes x nuevo(s) mensaje(s) directo(s)"
May 02 17:49:45 <funkatron> because I don't 8)
May 02 17:49:54 <funkatron> I generated the file programatically. First time.
May 02 17:50:47 <NuttyBunny> ok, we'll have to fix that in the future so it looks nicer ;)
May 02 17:51:12 * NuttyBunny may look at your code and hack something
May 02 17:52:00 <NuttyBunny> http://twitter.com/#!/ROBlNWILLIAMS/status/65110628234313728
May 02 17:52:55 <maik> funny that the "i" in robin is an l
May 02 17:52:57 <maik> L
May 02 17:53:48 <NuttyBunny> yeap, I think that account, along with an Adam Sandler one and a Samuel L jackson new ones are from the same guy, I don't care, they're funny :)
May 02 18:07:40 <NuttyBunny> funkatron: pull request sent
May 02 18:13:52 <dohtem> http://www.reddit.com/r/node/comments/h1m2o/i_am_ryan_dahl_creator_of_nodejs_ama/ - Node.js creator is doing an AMA on reddit
May 02 18:35:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> stupid maps...
May 02 18:35:31 <cwayne> some people don't have maps
May 02 18:35:35 <cwayne> such as like and... the iraq
May 02 18:35:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 18:35:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok.. I'll rephrase
May 02 18:36:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> stupid *ndrive* maps
May 02 18:37:25 <cwayne> hey who in here has a 401(k)
May 02 18:37:40 <cwayne> lol
May 02 18:40:19 <funkatron> heh
May 02 18:41:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> stupid nDrive...
May 02 18:41:50 <hotdp> PatrickC_Pre2: does it not rock?
May 02 18:42:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> it keeps telling me "Cannot connect to server" on my pre2
May 02 18:42:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> but the pre- has no trouble
May 02 18:42:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Just got a call from HP Small Business re: the TouchPad
May 02 18:42:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> really, really good to hear from them
May 02 18:42:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> and...
May 02 18:42:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> where is it?
May 02 18:43:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well, no info we didn't already know other than that we're getting the info we want within two weeks for sure
May 02 18:43:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> within 2 weeks?
May 02 18:43:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and that small businesses will get access to an invite-only pre-order if they qualify that will land them TouchPads before consumers
May 02 18:43:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, we should have a price and/or release date within two weeks according to her
May 02 18:44:01 * PatrickC_Pre2 joins your small business :)
May 02 18:44:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rofl
May 02 18:44:23 * NuttyBunny too
May 02 18:44:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I don't know if this is frontpage news worthy, but it was great to hear
May 02 18:44:41 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that it's coming
May 02 18:44:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> she was really enthusiastic about our use-case
May 02 18:44:51 * halfhalo gets out his "hostile takeover" tools
May 02 18:45:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> wow, to save me time and effort, who wants to play "Lowest Bidder App Build Auction"? lol
May 02 18:54:54 <hotdp> IGNTNUNLMTD: where can i sign as "small buisiness" ?
May 02 18:55:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> there's a form on their site
May 02 18:55:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> really? link?
May 02 18:55:19 <hotdp> do you have link?
May 02 18:55:19 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I found it in one of the TouchPad threads on PreCentral
May 02 18:55:22 <IGNTNUNLMTD> let me check
May 02 18:55:42 <hotdp> what was your use case?
May 02 18:55:47 <hotdp> thanks
May 02 18:56:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://www.hp.com/sbso/busproducts-tablet-notify.html?jumpid=re_r295_psg_nbgw_gen_off_1/psgpromo&psn=notebooks_tablet_pcs/notebook_pcs
May 02 18:56:44 <hotdp> thanks
May 02 18:56:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> our use case is under NDA with an exception to our web hosts and any companies we do business with for products (ex: HP, TouchPad)
May 02 18:58:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> signed up :)
May 02 19:00:39 <NuttyBunny> Let's see if that works for Mexico
May 02 19:02:32 <NuttyBunny> Ah, yes, now I remember, I skipped it because of the phone field ;)
May 02 19:04:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> heh
May 02 19:04:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay Adora
May 02 19:05:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 is loving nDrive!!
May 02 19:05:38 <NuttyBunny> hey Adora :)
May 02 19:05:49 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC_Pre2: Go on, ask her too! :)
May 02 19:05:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
May 02 19:06:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> Adora: is vzw getting 1.4.5.1?
May 02 19:06:28 <NuttyBunny> no, the other one ;)  hehehe...
May 02 19:06:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 19:06:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> what, the one about Sprint?
May 02 19:07:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> or the one about Telcel? ;)
May 02 19:07:25 <NuttyBunny> LOL
May 02 19:07:27 <NuttyBunny> ROFL
May 02 19:07:29 <NuttyBunny> Telcel!!!
May 02 19:07:31 <NuttyBunny> ahahahahaha
May 02 19:07:48 <NuttyBunny> Yes!!! Adora!! Is 2.2 coming to Telcel?? :D
May 02 19:07:55 <swisstomcat> ping adora
May 02 19:08:36 * NuttyBunny taps the updates button on his Pre
May 02 19:08:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
May 02 19:08:45 <NuttyBunny> ;)
May 02 19:09:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 taps the update button on his pre-.. oh wait.. its meta-doctored :D
May 02 19:09:43 * NuttyBunny 's Pre shows an update... for Android... LOL
May 02 19:10:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehehe
May 02 19:51:19 <SineOt> Is it just me, or does a Blackberry Bold with a touchscreen, a 1.2GHz processor, and 768MB of RAM just seem like overkill to an insane degree?
May 02 19:51:43 <NuttyBunny> Well, the Pre3 has a 1.2Ghz processor and 512Mb :)
May 02 19:52:11 <SineOt> yeah, but it's also got a 3.7 inch touchscreen
May 02 19:52:14 <avarus> next: quad core smartphones and I'm not joking
May 02 19:53:16 <ryanwatkins> toaster - in your pocket
May 02 19:53:45 <SineOt> yeah, but there's some devices where quad core could make more sense
May 02 19:53:55 <NuttyBunny> webOS toaster FTW!!!
May 02 19:54:12 <SineOt> but the Blackberry Bold? not really
May 02 19:54:17 <avarus> of course it does make sense...I wasn't joking and I meant it :P
May 02 19:54:57 <avarus> no single smartphone needs a whole cpu just to fetch emails :P
May 02 19:55:00 <ryanwatkins> yes, but you also need to balance power consumption and heat generation
May 02 19:55:23 <avarus> quad core doesn't mean it gets hot
May 02 19:55:26 * halfhalo needs a smartphone with a dedicated email cpu
May 02 19:57:54 <dawm> got my shiftknob cover today ;D (keeps it from getting uber hot or freezing cold)
May 02 19:57:55 <dawm> http://www.wiggyshifties.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/azul-shiftie.jpg
May 02 19:58:17 <avarus> so fucking ugly :P
May 02 19:58:30 <avarus> a real man needs leather there and not that :P
May 02 19:59:06 <dawm> uhh its only for when its not being used, you take it off when you drive.. durr
May 02 19:59:19 <avarus> that is...useless :P
May 02 19:59:32 <dawm> keeps the sun from making it super hot in the summer, and freezing in the winter
May 02 19:59:42 <halfhalo> REAL men don't live in areas with actual weather
May 02 19:59:44 <avarus> lol?
May 02 19:59:48 <dawm> LOL
May 02 20:00:37 <avarus> my wheel becomes hot in the summer but never the gearshift
May 02 20:02:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> the Pre3 is 1.4GHz I thought????
May 02 20:02:30 <SineOt> durp durp
May 02 20:02:46 <avarus> better spend your money on your girl
May 02 20:02:50 <avarus> or other girls :P
May 02 20:03:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok? lol
May 02 20:04:36 * halfhalo may or may not have a mattress in the back of his car
May 02 20:05:34 <ajay> hey oh
May 02 20:05:42 <SineOt> how cool
May 02 20:05:42 <SineOt> help under webOS 2.1 at least has an option to connect you to a Palm Chat session
May 02 20:05:42 <SineOt> of course I'm fairly sure it's a poorly coded bot because it didn't get my question at all
May 02 20:05:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey ho
May 02 20:05:50 * ajay still thinks the channel Topic should give the hot news
May 02 20:06:09 <halfhalo> now, the question is do I just sign off on this site for only webkit based browsers or do I load up a windows vm....
May 02 20:06:56 * halfhalo chooses option 1. 
May 02 20:09:34 <sugardave> 2.2 on sprint yet?
May 02 20:09:43 <halfhalo> lulz.  Webos phones hit proxy parody site
May 02 20:10:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> nDrive is amazing!!
May 02 20:11:45 <dwc-> amazing like, it doesn't hang after 30 seconds like navit?
May 02 20:12:00 <SineOt> S'funny, the guy that started the whole 2.2 on Sprint thing for May 2nd has suddenly disappeared. :p
May 02 20:12:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> amazing like, better then Sprint nav
May 02 20:12:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 02 20:13:39 <SineOt> that's not exactly hard to do
May 02 20:13:57 <halfhalo> This rock is better than sprint nav.
May 02 20:14:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> sprint nav is ok
May 02 20:15:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://beta.ndrive.com fwiw
May 02 20:16:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ semi open beta
May 02 20:17:20 <halfhalo> "semi open beta" sounds like "alpha craptastic buggy software" to me (Except in the case of MS, which it means "released product
May 02 20:17:22 <halfhalo> ")
May 02 20:17:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> semi-open == you have to sign up to receive the beta
May 02 20:18:03 <swisstomcat> ndrive looks pretty solid so far
May 02 20:19:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
May 02 20:19:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> baseball game
May 02 20:20:24 <avarus> I thought it's a game console :P
May 02 20:20:32 <avarus> ndrive sounds like a sega game console :P
May 02 20:40:21 * NuttyBunny needs a Genesis/Megadrive emulator for webOS
May 02 20:40:54 <avarus> then you'll need an extra battery as well :)
May 02 20:42:39 <NuttyBunny> that's no issue, I can have 6 batteries at my disposal :D
May 02 20:42:50 <avarus> hehe
May 02 20:43:47 <NuttyBunny> Of course, one has less than 50% of capacity, another one is at 70%, but they can get me through one full day, taking pictures, recording videos, tweeting, facebooking, IM'ing.. :D
May 02 20:44:27 <avarus> with my pixi it's always a bit frustrating as I'm driving home late and I always use the pixi as a player for the car
May 02 20:44:46 <avarus> during the day I am playing music with it as well but the player somehow soaks the battery
May 02 20:45:45 <avarus> with the iphone I can even stream internet radios all day without a problem :)...
May 02 20:49:40 <NuttyBunny> yep, current webOS devices' battery life sucks
May 02 20:49:47 <NuttyBunny> all of them
May 02 20:49:50 <NuttyBunny> even Pre 2 :P
May 02 21:13:21 <ajay> patrick: did you get your maps already? you're on it! :)
May 02 21:14:28 <ajay> NuttyBunny: surprised there's no genesis/megadrive emu already, huh..
May 02 21:15:03 <NuttyBunny> ajay: No, there's none... I shall port some GP32 emu ;)
May 02 21:15:12 <ajay> nice :)
May 02 21:15:43 <NuttyBunny> Stupid Pixi... if it isn't that it loses the calls, it loses audio, I don't think if it's the webos version or the hardware :@
May 02 21:15:47 <ajay> oh patrick is gone, heh
May 02 21:16:07 <NuttyBunny> yep, he supposedly went to test navit
May 02 21:16:12 <avarus> antenna broken?
May 02 21:16:40 <NuttyBunny> avarus: no, I hear them fine. let's hope they call me again (or maybe not) ;)
May 02 21:16:58 <ajay> it has to be either OS/sw or hw, right??  mine is both..
May 02 21:17:52 <NuttyBunny> ok, missed call, it vibrated twice, made two "alert" sounds (not the original ringtone that should have made), and  displayed the alert
May 02 21:17:57 <NuttyBunny> the missed call alert
May 02 21:18:09 <NuttyBunny> is it really that bad in 1.4.5??
May 02 21:18:27 <SineOt> I've had it drop audio on 1.4.5 before, it's kind of annoying
May 02 21:18:48 <SineOt> it's probably a webOS bug that wasn't fixed and has existed for a while
May 02 21:19:08 <NuttyBunny> oh, my, Why Palm?!!!! Why did you have to release this bastard kid?!!! why?!!?!
May 02 21:19:29 <avarus> my best phone still is my old nokia e63 :)
May 02 21:20:02 <NuttyBunny> I have an E61, still kicking, but I got the SIM from it and slapped onto the Pixi
May 02 21:21:46 <avarus> the pixi is light on weight and it has webos :P that's what I like about it
May 02 21:21:53 <avarus> and it's thin
May 02 21:23:12 <avarus> but no audio recorder...jesus
May 02 21:23:23 <avarus> the recorder via classic is horrible :P
May 02 21:23:26 <avarus> not usable
May 02 21:23:46 <NuttyBunny> audio recorder, didn't zcorder work?
May 02 21:23:59 <avarus> no :(
May 02 21:24:18 <avarus> I press record and nothing happens
May 02 21:24:46 <NuttyBunny> bah :(
May 02 21:25:00 <avarus> the recorder in the classic "suite" works but gives no feedback if it works :P
May 02 21:25:06 <avarus> and classic is dead...can't purchase it
May 02 21:26:02 <NuttyBunny> yep, that plug pull on Classic was a really bad idea :S
May 02 21:27:21 <ajay> we should start a pressure campaign on palm to restart classic dev, or release the src
May 02 21:27:52 <avarus> I don't expect them to continue it; just offer it for free
May 02 21:27:54 <avarus> at least
May 02 21:28:15 <avarus> it doesn't hurt them :)
May 02 21:29:46 <ryanwatkins> rarely trivial to release the source for a commercial product, they dont necessarily own all the IP.
May 02 21:30:04 <avarus> ack
May 02 21:30:18 <ryanwatkins> took Netscape ages to cleanup the code enough to open source Mozilla
May 02 21:30:23 <avarus> releasing the course costs them money
May 02 21:30:41 <avarus> and they still forgot the fuckwords in it :P
May 02 21:31:09 <ajay> avarus: do those words affect performance? ;^)
May 02 21:31:17 <avarus> probably :)
May 02 21:31:22 <avarus> bad comments, bad code :P
May 02 21:31:24 <ryanwatkins> not so much the comments as where it links into code they dont have the rights to release.
May 02 21:31:41 * ajay is really missing a slingPlayer client.. :(
May 02 21:32:08 <ajay> avarus: fair enough :)  and yeah they should keep it free even if they're not working on it, agreed..
May 02 21:32:31 <ajay> netscape's a bit of a monster (sw project), esp when compared to classic
May 02 21:32:31 <avarus> it's funny that you can still download the trial in the app catalog
May 02 21:32:55 <ajay> i wonder if the classic makers would be open to telling us how to make the trial.. not a trial
May 02 21:33:08 <avarus> hehe
May 02 21:33:13 <avarus> they won't
May 02 21:33:19 <avarus> but it's probably not too hard
May 02 21:33:23 <ajay> i mean if they won't sell it, that's the least they can do
May 02 21:33:26 <avarus> as always :)
May 02 21:33:35 <avarus> neeh...they sold the rights to do anything :P
May 02 21:33:39 <avarus> with it*
May 02 21:33:46 <ajay> but i'd rather see a pressure campaign on palm
May 02 21:33:49 <ajay> avarus: sold?
May 02 21:34:12 <avarus> well, I think they got money for it...I know the text they have on their website...but still
May 02 21:35:46 * ajay hopes his phone will allow a 20 mb file to be copied to it.. fingers crossed!
May 02 21:36:04 <avarus> lol :P
May 02 21:36:27 <ajay> if not i'll have to.. restart luna (at the least).. which it gets cranky about
May 02 21:36:48 <NuttyBunny> Well, that's it. I took the SIM out from the Pixi, slapped it into the Plus. Waiting for the next call
May 02 21:36:51 <ajay> eh, you ejected me improperly, i lost data, eh! how about if you weren't flakey with your usb port buddy!
May 02 21:38:17 * ajay thinks this twitter thing is interesting..
May 02 21:38:23 <ajay> oh! it copied.. my word
May 02 21:38:33 <ajay> i wonder if it'd be down for more..
May 02 21:40:56 <keith> ajay, did you see my url?
May 02 21:41:02 <keith> i found a cdma store in SF.
May 02 21:41:15 <ajay> --use-v1-format on palm-package?  does that mean i don't need to keep a copy of the 1.4.5 SDK around anymore?
May 02 21:41:27 <ajay> keith: no i didn't, did you irc it to me? musta missed it..
May 02 21:42:29 <ajay> NuttyBunny: was it you with the universe patch? (you and patrick?)
May 02 21:42:44 <NuttyBunny> yup, did we did something wrong? :)
May 02 21:42:49 <SineOt> Oh man gross. JSONX
May 02 21:42:55 <SineOt> Taking JSON then wrapping it in XML.
May 02 21:43:01 <dohtem> SineOt: heh, I saw that
May 02 21:43:09 <ajay> NuttyBunny: no i just wanted to clarify, it makes universe launch for EVERYTHING, or just when you don't try to search with an app?  the desc is confusing
May 02 21:43:57 <ajay> sounds like a movie
May 02 21:44:05 <NuttyBunny> it works when you use the "google" option with just type
May 02 21:45:15 <keith> 11:05 < keith> ajay: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mob/2358129003.html
May 02 21:45:31 <avarus> I laughed at jsonx as well
May 02 21:45:35 <avarus> but read that: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/h0chx/need_more_enterprise_introducing_jsonx_an_ibm/c1rmljm
May 02 21:45:41 <avarus> makes a valid point
May 02 21:46:52 <ajay> keith: i've been calling a lot of shops but they're all pretty confused, so will call them if i can't find a closer..
May 02 21:47:10 <avarus> and now good night :)
May 02 21:47:19 <ajay> but i'd prefer to collaborate with someone, else just get a copy, possibly split purchase cost with somebody
May 02 21:47:38 <ajay> there could be quite a market for iPhones and Pre2s on Sprint (I reckon)
May 02 21:49:01 <keith> sprint is impossible
May 02 21:49:08 <keith> you need to do cloning to bring to sprint
May 02 21:49:16 <keith> not only impossible, highly illegal
May 02 21:49:20 <keith> now, iphone 4 on metropcs..
May 02 21:50:07 <ajay> heh
May 02 22:02:28 <ajay> late lunchin again.. paz!
May 02 22:24:09 <LoneStar99> hwdy all
May 02 22:24:21 <NuttyBunny> hwy
May 02 22:29:35 <LoneStar99> NuttyBunny: have u used the promo codes yet?
May 02 22:31:08 <NuttyBunny> nope, not for getting, not for selling (I have no paid apps) :)
May 02 22:34:23 <LoneStar99> oh ok
May 02 22:34:44 <LoneStar99> have paid apps, but still wondering how to use them...
May 02 22:38:57 <sugardave> LoneStar99: you make a campaign for the app at the dev portal, and you will get a csv of all the promo codes you can then give out however you want
May 02 22:39:46 <dohtem> you, like others, can spam twitter with promo codes!
May 02 22:39:46 <LoneStar99> sugardave: you using the promo codes yet?
May 02 22:39:51 <sugardave> no
May 02 22:40:00 <LoneStar99> yeah was thinking twitter
May 02 22:40:46 <summatusmentis> I liked what Hedami did, easter eggs associated with promo codes
May 02 22:40:55 <summatusmentis> Music Player Remix 2.0
May 02 22:42:28 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  is there a link?
May 02 22:43:00 <summatusmentis> it was on webosRoundup
May 02 22:43:12 <summatusmentis> or in the P|C forums for Hedami apps
May 02 22:49:08 <WWJ> hey guys i changed if (terms === "I agree") { to if (terms === "I agree" && services === "<NOT SELECTED>") { and now the scene won't load. can you not have AND statements in the if statement?
May 02 22:49:51 <Jake_M> like is there a way to have && in the if statement or am i just doing it wrong?
May 02 22:50:05 <maik> put the two conditions in parenthesis, just to be safe
May 02 22:50:15 <maik> and take off one of the equals, it's not necessary unless you're checking for type as well
May 02 22:50:32 <Jake_M> i was told == was boolean in Mojo
May 02 22:50:45 <Jake_M> and that you needed === for string comparison
May 02 22:50:46 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis: ok found it
May 02 22:50:54 <maik> Jake_M: that's incorrect as i understand it
May 02 22:51:00 <maik> == compares values, === compares values and types
May 02 22:51:10 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure it's mojo though, that's javascript specific, iirc
May 02 22:51:20 <maik> that too
May 02 22:51:32 <summatusmentis> also, the more likely outcome is that one of your checks is failing
May 02 22:51:39 <summatusmentis> because that looks like proper syntax
May 02 22:51:56 <sugardave> == does type coercion, === does not
May 02 22:51:58 <Jake_M> oh wait
May 02 22:52:01 <Jake_M> i know what i did wrong
May 02 22:52:02 <Jake_M> oops
May 02 22:52:23 <maik> ah, i understood wrong, then.  thanks again sugardave :D
May 02 22:52:30 <Jake_M> got it working guys
May 02 22:52:32 <Jake_M> thanks
May 02 22:53:06 <summatusmentis> sugardave: so comparing two things of different types will force the second to be the type of the first if you use == ?
May 02 22:53:37 <sugardave> not necessarily the first, there are rules js follows as to what gets converted to what
May 02 22:53:47 <summatusmentis> ah
May 02 22:53:53 <summatusmentis> but if those rules apply, then the first?
May 02 22:53:57 <sugardave> depending on the things being compared
May 02 22:54:18 <summatusmentis> interesting
May 02 22:54:33 <Jake_M> question
May 02 22:54:38 <Jake_M> is there a way i can be like
May 02 22:54:39 <sugardave> well it's like I compare a string and an object, whichever precedence conversion rule takes place, it doesn't matter where in the expression it is
May 02 22:54:56 <Jake_M> if (terms === "I agree" && (services === "<NOT SELECTED>" || services==="something else")) {
May 02 22:55:10 <sugardave> (and I don't know the js type conversion precedence rules :P
May 02 22:55:40 <sugardave> Jake_M: yes
May 02 22:55:51 <maik> oh so i was right
May 02 22:55:53 <Jake_M> but it has to be in paranthesis?
May 02 22:56:01 <sugardave> maik: yes! :)
May 02 22:56:05 <maik> hooray
May 02 22:56:09 <maik> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/359494/javascript-vs-does-it-matter-which-equal-operator-i-use
May 02 22:56:26 <maik> === is the identify operator, == is the equality operator
May 02 22:56:51 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: you'll want the second part (the two OR options) to be in parens
May 02 22:56:57 <sugardave> Jake_M: yeah, you do it like this:  if (a && (b || c))
May 02 22:57:12 <Jake_M> okay sweet
May 02 22:57:13 <sugardave> if b or c are true and a is true, it passes
May 02 22:57:19 <Jake_M> right
May 02 23:00:00 <Jake_M> i don't think you can
May 02 23:00:04 <Jake_M> but is there a way to do like
May 02 23:00:11 <Jake_M> var x = (b || c)
May 02 23:00:27 <summatusmentis> I don't know about in js
May 02 23:00:37 <Jake_M> like if this.radiobutton.value = b || c
May 02 23:00:52 <sugardave> that will yield a boolean
May 02 23:01:07 <sugardave> so if it's 1 or 0 in the display, that will work
May 02 23:01:14 <Jake_M> or i mean ===
May 02 23:01:31 <Jake_M> like if a radio button is one of those 2 values, it will store in a variable
May 02 23:01:51 <summatusmentis> you mean store the value of the radio button?
May 02 23:01:55 <Jake_M> if not, that variable would be null
May 02 23:01:56 <Jake_M> yeah
May 02 23:02:00 <sugardave> no
May 02 23:02:03 <sugardave> it will store true or false
May 02 23:02:06 <summatusmentis> I don't think that's possible using that syntax
May 02 23:02:08 <sugardave> that way
May 02 23:02:18 <Jake_M> well the radio button has string values
May 02 23:03:06 <summatusmentis> won't matter, (b || c) will return 1 if either b or c has a value
May 02 23:03:09 <sugardave> you might be able to do this
May 02 23:03:11 <summatusmentis> if bother are null, it'll return 0
May 02 23:03:31 <summatusmentis> (assuming js works the way I think it does)
May 02 23:04:25 <sugardave> (this.radiobutton.value === thing1 || this.radiobutton.value === thing2) ? varX = this.radiobutton.value : varX = null;
May 02 23:04:25 <Jake_M> can you do !===
May 02 23:04:42 <Jake_M> sugardave i'll try that
May 02 23:04:55 <sugardave> Jake_M: you can do != or !==
May 02 23:05:03 <sugardave> opposites of == and ===
May 02 23:05:10 <sugardave> eating, bbiab
May 02 23:05:28 <summatusmentis> what sugardave suggested above should work
May 02 23:07:42 <Jake_M> if i have a blank text field, would the string value be ""
May 02 23:08:06 <summatusmentis> most likely
May 02 23:08:08 <summatusmentis> or ''
May 02 23:08:14 <summatusmentis> well, wait
May 02 23:08:21 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure on that
May 02 23:09:20 <Jake_M> i'll trial and error it
May 02 23:09:21 <Jake_M> lol
May 02 23:09:58 <Jake_M> you know what would be genius
May 02 23:10:16 <Jake_M> if your phone was running on the wifi of the network you're doing code on
May 02 23:10:20 <Jake_M> and you do like palm-install
May 02 23:10:27 <Jake_M> it would install the app over wifi
May 02 23:11:26 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: they do something similar for installing the emulator, I'm not sure how you'd expose that though
May 02 23:19:31 <SineOt> Going back over some old code and blehhhhh.
May 02 23:19:38 <sugardave> if the text field is blank, the value is likely undefined, as opposed to '', but they will evaluate equivalent if you use ==
May 02 23:19:45 <SineOt> I don't think I thought a lot of this stuff out real well.
May 02 23:20:13 <SineOt> Like having two places where one setting would fit. :I
May 02 23:23:37 <Jake_M> so if i was to do a check i would do
May 02 23:23:47 <Jake_M> if (this.textfield.value == undefined)
May 02 23:27:05 <sugardave> if (!this.textfield.value)
May 02 23:27:08 <sugardave> :>
May 02 23:27:26 <Jake_M> so thats saying if textfield doesn't have a value
May 02 23:27:40 <sugardave> if value is not defined or evaluates to 0
May 02 23:27:48 <sugardave> so if 0 is valid you have to do it like this
May 02 23:28:07 <sugardave> if (!this.textfield.value && this.textfiled === 0)
May 02 23:28:20 <Jake_M> alright thanks :)
May 02 23:28:21 <sugardave> well, I messed up the last part, but you know what I mean
May 02 23:28:32 <Jake_M> yeah you completely obliterated the word field
May 02 23:28:32 <Jake_M> lol
May 02 23:28:34 <sugardave> should be this.textfield.value !== 0
May 02 23:28:57 * PatrickC_Pre2 wanders in
May 02 23:30:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone on vzw successfully get 1.4.5.1???
May 02 23:30:25 <Jake_M> its out?
May 02 23:30:30 <sugardave> no, but I got 2.2 on Sprint
May 02 23:30:38 <Jake_M> what
May 02 23:30:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> very funny...
May 02 23:30:56 <sugardave> Jake_M: just yanking his chain
May 02 23:31:10 <Jake_M> i'm not in here enough lol
May 02 23:31:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, 2.2 might be fake, but 1.4.5.1 is real
May 02 23:32:14 <SineOt> any change log for 1.4.5.1?
May 02 23:32:30 <Jake_M> i guess HP made things right, lets all go home
May 02 23:32:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't been able to apply it yet
May 02 23:32:44 <Jake_M> lol
May 02 23:32:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> it said "downloading" but then refreshed the updates app
May 02 23:32:59 <SineOt> a tiny part of me thinks that 1.4.5.1 could, theoretically, be something along the lines of the Pixi "micro update" that allowed updates to be installed over 3G
May 02 23:33:12 <SineOt> and if you can't figure that out then I'm sorry ;o
May 02 23:33:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> or be an app catalog update
May 02 23:33:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> for promo codes
May 02 23:34:13 <SineOt> maybe
May 02 23:35:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> sineot: got ndrive yet?
May 02 23:35:21 <Jake_M> sugardave in eclipse when i do !this.textfield.value the 'this' becomes like regular text
May 02 23:35:27 <Jake_M> is that just eclipse?
May 02 23:35:31 <SineOt> no
May 02 23:36:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> http://beta.ndrive.com is a good site ;)
May 02 23:36:33 <sugardave> ummm....I don't think I know what you mean
May 02 23:36:51 <Jake_M> like you know how 'this' is a reserved word
May 02 23:36:56 <sugardave> right
May 02 23:36:59 <Jake_M> like in IDEs usually reserved words become bolded or highlighted
May 02 23:37:12 <Jake_M> when i put !this.etc
May 02 23:37:15 <Jake_M> this becomes not bolded
May 02 23:37:17 <Jake_M> will that affect?
May 02 23:37:20 <sugardave> no
May 02 23:37:26 <Jake_M> okay just making sure
May 02 23:40:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> is Eclipse really better then a traditional text editor?
May 02 23:41:04 <SineOt> I am so close to just outright giving up on my Pixi, it's sad.
May 02 23:41:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> sprint?
May 02 23:41:36 <SineOt> yup
May 02 23:41:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> Insurance?
May 02 23:42:06 <SineOt> yuppp
May 02 23:42:10 <summatusmentis> eclipse has some nice code-completion and refactoring stuff, if you're into that
May 02 23:42:13 <Hendikins> As a point of interest, if the guts of the Pixi were up to those of the Pre, I would have considered one to replace my Treo Pro.
May 02 23:42:29 <Jake_M> palm also allows you to launch apps from eclipse
May 02 23:42:36 <Jake_M> so you just hit "run" and it packages and installs the app
May 02 23:42:40 <Jake_M> in one click
May 02 23:42:44 <summatusmentis> oh, that's interesting
May 02 23:42:44 <SineOt> The touchstone casing for the Pixis are just horrible
May 02 23:43:00 <SineOt> peeling problems abound, cracks and splits, it's just gross
May 02 23:43:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> sineot: my Pixi went in for Service like 5 times in 6 months, and they upgraded me for free to a prw
May 02 23:43:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> pre*
May 02 23:43:20 <SineOt> I'm kind of pissed that I spent 25$ for it when it can't even really hold up for more than a few months at best
May 02 23:43:30 <summatusmentis> I really like the form-factor of the pixi, but I'm gald I picked a pre isntad
May 02 23:43:32 <summatusmentis> instead*
May 02 23:43:44 <Jake_M> and eclipse like bolds reserved words and if you click on a variable name it shows you where in the code its implemented and will give you errors if you don't define a variable or whatever
May 02 23:43:52 <summatusmentis> Hendikins: coming from a centro, I think you'd find the pre isn't _that_ much of a change
May 02 23:44:06 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: yes, most IDEs do that though
May 02 23:44:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> I use Notepad++
May 02 23:44:20 <SineOt> anyways, going to nap then be lazy
May 02 23:44:28 <Hendikins> summatusmentis: I don't regret getting the Pre, put it that way. But I would have probably purchased a Pixi instead if the internals were equivalent.
May 02 23:44:28 <summatusmentis> PatrickC_Pre2: I use MacVim
May 02 23:44:42 <summatusmentis> Hendikins: oooh, I thought you were a hold-out :)
May 02 23:44:50 <Jake_M> well you said traditional text editor
May 02 23:45:04 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: true, someone else did
May 02 23:45:13 <Jake_M> oh
May 02 23:45:19 <Jake_M> he said traditional text editor
May 02 23:45:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> well.. in my eyes, Notepad++ is a text editor, and Eclipse is an IDE
May 02 23:45:41 <summatusmentis> Hendikins: I read what you had said as "I'm still using my Treo Pro because I don't like the specs of the pixi, or the form-factor of the pre"
May 02 23:46:18 <Hendikins> summatusmentis: No. I got a Pre+ when the Treo Pro carked it, and a Pre 2 when I needed a work phone.
May 02 23:46:34 <summatusmentis> so, in a sense, Eclipse has things other IDEs don't, but clearly IDEs in general have some "benefits" above text editors (if you consider them benefits)
May 02 23:46:34 <Jake_M> i need a new phone...as in Pre 3 because my pre is like dying lol
May 02 23:46:44 <Jake_M> i consider IDEs benefits
May 02 23:46:53 <summatusmentis> some developers don't
May 02 23:47:00 <Jake_M> i'd be completely screwed without eclipse in AP computer science
May 02 23:47:02 <summatusmentis> some people don't like syntax hilighting
May 02 23:47:05 <LoneStar99> crazy they killed Osama Bin Laden
May 02 23:47:14 <LoneStar99> just read it right now
May 02 23:47:19 <LoneStar99> how long ago?
May 02 23:47:24 <summatusmentis> I think sometime last week
May 02 23:47:29 <summatusmentis> it was announced last night
May 02 23:47:34 <LoneStar99> oh so it is old news...
May 02 23:47:36 <LoneStar99> LOL
May 02 23:47:53 <summatusmentis> define "old news"
May 02 23:48:02 <sugardave> about 20 hours or so
May 02 23:48:20 <Hendikins> Well I hibernated for 16 hours last night, and it was news before I did that.
May 02 23:48:21 <summatusmentis> I'm sure to some extent they had to wait to verify, and make sure the speech was correct and complete, decide what they wanted the message to be, etc. etc.
May 02 23:49:21 <summatusmentis> I watched the livestream of the address
May 02 23:49:41 <sugardave> I got the announcement from the teevee picture box
May 02 23:49:53 <halfhalo> they still make those?
May 02 23:49:56 <SineOt> Didn't they end up breaking in on Celebrity Apprentice for the press event?
May 02 23:49:56 <Hendikins> I got it via text message and twitter.
May 02 23:50:17 <sugardave> SineOt: yes, hilarious
May 02 23:50:19 <SineOt> Because if they did, then it's one of the most amazingly planned trolls -ever-
May 02 23:50:22 <sugardave> and then delayed for like 30 minutes
May 02 23:50:50 <summatusmentis> I'm really skeptical it was planned that specifically >.>
May 02 23:51:04 <summatusmentis> also, I didn't realize they'd buried him at sea already
May 02 23:51:11 <SineOt> oh come on, of all the times to do it and shows to break in on?
May 02 23:51:16 <SineOt> Donald Trumps would be perfect
May 02 23:51:18 <sugardave> yeah, I didn't find that out until this morning
May 02 23:51:29 <Jake_M> yeah they buried him at sea the dave after the kill
May 02 23:51:35 <LoneStar99> not to be gross but --> is there an autopsy picture floating around?
May 02 23:51:40 <Jake_M> which was confusing because i heard that the US had his body
May 02 23:51:47 <Hendikins> SineOt: Given how things are going there, yeah, I'd say perfect timing.
May 02 23:52:15 <summatusmentis> SineOt: perhaps it was planned to break in on his show
May 02 23:52:23 <summatusmentis> I find the idea that the delay was intentional a bit odd
May 02 23:52:33 <summatusmentis> Jake_M: that's the impression I had too
May 02 23:52:56 <Jake_M> whatever
May 02 23:52:59 <sugardave> I don't think the delay part was originally planned
May 02 23:53:05 <Jake_M> all i know is we have the most badass military ever
May 02 23:53:41 <summatusmentis> yep, 10 years and tens of thousands of lives, most badass military ever
May 02 23:54:18 <Jake_M> most badass navy seals ever
May 02 23:54:22 <LoneStar99> summatusmentis:  yeah our military is awesome, but 10 years is ridiculous
May 02 23:55:08 <Jake_M> and you have to realize
May 02 23:55:17 <Jake_M> that this has turned from a war on terrorism to a war on democracy
May 02 23:55:20 <LoneStar99> especially when he was shot in Pakistan not some cave in afganistan
May 02 23:55:21 <Jake_M> like war FOR democracy
May 02 23:55:27 <summatusmentis> personally? I don't see myself ever considering any military "awesome", but that might just be my own hippy upbringing
May 02 23:55:32 <SineOt> I believe that under sharia law there may be requirements on the length of time after death to burial
May 02 23:55:47 <summatusmentis> SineOt: oooh, now that you say that, I think you're right
May 02 23:55:54 <SineOt> I know it was mentioned that everything was being done to stick to the letter for a proper Islamic treatment of the body
May 02 23:56:00 <SineOt> and hence the burial at sea
May 02 23:56:06 <Jake_M> personally i don't think the US should be trying to fight for democracy, but more like advocating it, but yeah idk
May 02 23:56:06 <summatusmentis> good for them
May 02 23:56:29 <SineOt> under Islamic sharia custom it's preferred to bury the body on land but if there is a risk of desecration, a burial at sea is preferred
May 02 23:56:41 <SineOt> and if anyone had a high risk of desecration, it was him
May 02 23:56:51 <oil> we'll beat you with a stick until you learn
May 02 23:58:53 <sugardave> desecration/enshrinement...two problems
May 03 00:09:30 <Loudergood> Sprint 2.2 yet?
May 03 00:13:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> its not coming today :/
May 03 00:13:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> 5:45:05 PM : Samuel G: Also, our Technical Team is working to make this launch available and very soon, we will come up with the 2.0 update.
May 03 00:14:25 <Loudergood> and now it's 2.0 lol
May 03 00:15:15 <LoneStar99> PatrickC_Pre2: will the original pre be able to upgrade to 2.0?
May 03 00:15:48 <sugardave> not ota
May 03 00:18:23 <LoneStar99> ok, will get a dev pre 2 soon
May 03 00:19:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> its all over the place lol
May 03 00:19:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> "2.2 may second" "2.0 soon"
May 03 00:19:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 03 00:30:42 <madnificent> LoneStar99: I wonder when they'll get a batch with my pre2 in it
May 03 00:34:28 <LoneStar99> madnificent: not sure ...
May 03 00:35:21 <madnificent> LoneStar99: they probably don't know for sure either
May 03 00:35:57 <madnificent> however, the Pre-'s usb cover latch has fallen off and the speaker isn't all that anymore, so I'm kind-of looking forward to the Pre2
May 03 00:36:27 <madnificent> and besides that, I really want to toy with the new features (card stacks, exhibition, ...) to see how I can use them practically in my application(s)
May 03 00:36:59 <Loudergood> the only thing you'll probably not like right out of the box is the edge of the screen
May 03 00:37:28 <Loudergood> the rounded edges on the screen on the pre are a bit more ergonomic
May 03 00:37:59 <madnificent> the pre acts as if it were a stone you interact with, I doubt they'll have reached that level of interaction with anything new
May 03 00:39:10 <madnificent> and they don't seem to 'get' that anymore either.  At least, from what I've seen of promotional material going around the tablet... I have the feeling that they lack some of the guys that used to be there when Palm was still Palm.
May 03 00:39:25 <madnificent> Though it may well still be the nicest OS to work with :)
May 03 00:39:35 <madnificent> (and I don't intend to dev on anything else)
May 03 00:41:11 <Loudergood> man...I have to say I like exhibition mode...
May 03 00:41:13 <Loudergood> hmm
May 03 00:42:12 <Loudergood> my phone is sitting on a touchstone right below my monitor right now, and it's working as a nice little notification display for my email+social media
May 03 00:45:18 <summatusmentis> I really wish they'd included the gesture area on the touchpad
May 03 00:45:28 <summatusmentis> one of my favorite parts of webos
May 03 00:46:01 <madnificent> summatusmentis: I agree, you can work around the technical issues, I'm fairly sure of that.
May 03 00:46:44 <madnificent> Loudergood: I can't afford a touchstone (yet?)
May 03 00:46:45 <Loudergood> also true
May 03 00:47:08 <Loudergood> no retailers dumping them over there?
May 03 00:47:21 <Loudergood> I took advantage of the verizon sales and I have 3
May 03 00:56:55 <summatusmentis> yeh, I bought one from VZW in a "travel pack" for $15
May 03 00:57:06 <summatusmentis> and I had a touchstone back because the pre I bought on ebay came with one
May 03 01:02:34 <LoneStar99> time to release stress, need to jog this cold away, chat later boys and girls
May 03 01:04:23 <LoneStar99> lates
May 03 01:32:06 * PatrickC_Pre2 loves 2.1!
May 03 01:33:09 <madnificent> Loudergood: no, not really
May 03 01:33:33 <madnificent> Loudergood: I guess that I'd better buy a traveler kit then... but that's roughly 100 euros once it's here in belgium, I think
May 03 01:33:49 <Loudergood> ouch
May 03 01:34:42 <Loudergood> the car adapter on those verizon kits is quite powerful too, it has an extra usb port and charged my phone and my brother's iphone at the same time
May 03 01:34:51 <madnificent> and even then... in order to really have the experience, I'd need at least 3 touch stones, I'm in 3 locations quite often so...
May 03 01:35:06 <madnificent> cool
May 03 01:36:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: ur overseas from US aren't you?
May 03 01:40:00 <madnificent> yup, europe
May 03 01:41:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
May 03 02:06:21 <SineOt> Ffffuuuuuuu. Got asked to show up at an invite only hiring event but can't remember what AppleID I used to sign up so I can't RSVP. :U
May 03 02:11:54 <halfhalo> mmmmmmmmm... jersey mikes....
May 03 02:15:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
May 03 02:45:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 walks in
May 03 02:49:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> stupid pre and PC....
May 03 02:50:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> they never play nice...
May 03 02:53:42 <summatusmentis> define play nice?
May 03 02:56:59 <sugardave> evolve easy buttons that work via ESP
May 03 02:57:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> whenever I unplug my phone from Usb, it usually takes a full PC reboot to get it to see my phone again
May 03 02:59:32 <dwc-> odd. mine doesn't have that problem.
May 03 02:59:52 <SineOt> yeah, sounds like a PC problem, not a Pre problem
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