**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 04 02:59:58 2011
May 04 03:03:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> back
May 04 04:15:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> howdy dkirker
May 04 04:17:37 <dkirker> hi
May 04 04:21:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's HP?
May 04 04:26:18 <dkirker> busy
May 04 04:27:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 04 05:59:04 <hotdp> Good morning
May 04 06:00:32 <SineOt> morning
May 04 06:20:26 <dkirker> haha! Google Bookmark "sync" FTW!
May 04 06:20:37 <dkirker> now to get it to work in webOS 1.4.5, if that is even possible :/
May 04 06:20:45 <dkirker> 'morning hotdp, swisstomcat!
May 04 06:20:49 <halfhalo> no
May 04 06:20:58 <halfhalo> because they hate you and all you stand for
May 04 06:21:09 <halfhalo> ohhh, shiny penny!
May 04 06:21:21 <SineOt> at some point, dkirker, just bite the bullet and give up on 1.4.5
May 04 06:21:43 <dkirker> SineOt: that is my plan, ultimately
May 04 06:22:15 <dkirker> but there are a lot of people still using it. It would work, except there appears to be a bug somewhere, so AJAX requests act different from 2.*
May 04 06:22:16 <SineOt> man, 2.1 really blows me away sometimes
May 04 06:22:24 <SineOt> and other times that just horribly piss me off
May 04 06:22:37 <SineOt> Deleting an email on my computer removes the notification on the Pre2
May 04 06:23:11 <SineOt> having to dick with folders because the MediaIndexer died, not so much fun :I
May 04 06:24:36 <dkirker> I really don't want to issue a statement that 1.4.5 can't support Google Bookmark sync...
May 04 06:26:07 <SineOt> I'll issue it for you if you want c_c
May 04 06:26:52 <dkirker> I actually had it working for a little bit on my Sprint Pre-
May 04 06:26:58 <dkirker> I just need to figure out what I did
May 04 06:27:41 <dkirker> I'll probably have to do something stupid before each transaction, like log in.
May 04 06:29:27 <SineOt> bleh
May 04 06:29:30 <SineOt> anyways, night
May 04 07:56:33 <swisstomcat> morning
May 04 07:56:52 <hotdp> Hi swisstomcat
May 04 07:57:10 <swisstomcat> hi hotdp
May 04 13:11:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning all
May 04 13:12:00 <hotdp> morning PatrickC_Pre2
May 04 13:12:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning cwayne, hotdp
May 04 13:12:41 <cwayne> yo PatrickC_Pre2
May 04 13:13:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's it goin?
May 04 13:14:03 * PatrickC_Pre2 hates running a stock pre
May 04 13:14:44 <hotdp> is it in for repair?
May 04 13:14:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> it went in last night
May 04 13:14:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> they were able to fix it
May 04 13:15:27 * dawm made some muffins
May 04 13:15:31 * dawm hopes they taste good
May 04 13:15:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> I was able to get it meta-doctored before bed last night, but not preware'd
May 04 13:15:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: any progress?
May 04 13:16:18 <dawm> been to busy w/ stuff to even turn on the macbook, maybe today ill have some time
May 04 13:16:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
May 04 13:18:26 * PatrickC_Pre2 wants to dual-boot his lappy, but doesn't have the HDD space :'(
May 04 13:18:39 <cwayne> or the RAM
May 04 13:18:44 <cwayne> lolll
May 04 13:19:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, if windows runs fine...
May 04 13:19:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would guess Ubuntu would run good too :)
May 04 13:21:08 <dawm> run off a usb stick
May 04 13:21:30 <dawm> just make sure its not a cheapo one
May 04 13:22:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> the PC won't boot from USB
May 04 13:22:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> already tried that :/
May 04 13:22:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> its ooooolllllllddddd :/
May 04 13:22:26 <swisstomcat> rehi everyone
May 04 13:22:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey swisstomcat
May 04 13:22:45 <dawm> install a bootloader that allows you to
May 04 13:22:50 <dawm> dur..
May 04 13:23:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> ill have my dad install it when he gets back, idk how to.. I cannot figure out how to get it on the internet, and it only boots from 2 things...
May 04 13:23:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> Floopy, or HDD
May 04 13:24:29 <dawm> it has a floppy drive?
May 04 13:24:36 <swisstomcat> wow
May 04 13:24:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 04 13:24:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> and it used to have Windows Me
May 04 13:24:52 <dawm> is that those square cd things?
May 04 13:24:56 <swisstomcat> :-O
May 04 13:25:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> haha
May 04 13:25:14 <swisstomcat> no, those square and flat usb-keys
May 04 13:25:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's a CD? :P
May 04 13:25:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> it has a DVD drive though, do idk..
May 04 13:25:35 <dawm> if it has a internal floppy drive.. its ancient
May 04 13:25:36 <swisstomcat> that should work
May 04 13:26:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> swisstomcat: it does, but it won't boot from it
May 04 13:26:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: my point exactly lol
May 04 13:26:10 <swisstomcat> why not?
May 04 13:26:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> the BIOS is out of date
May 04 13:26:51 <cwayne> THE WHOLE THING IS OUT OF DATE
May 04 13:26:55 <swisstomcat> yeah!
May 04 13:26:56 <cwayne> FOR 10 YEARS AGO
May 04 13:27:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ I know! lol
May 04 13:27:11 <dawm> well.. if your running WindowsME .. you should prolly upgrade to Win95
May 04 13:27:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> it has a P3 processor...
May 04 13:27:16 <dawm> since microsoft totally disowned ME
May 04 13:27:17 <cwayne> hahahahahahahaha
May 04 13:27:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm running is windows xp pro
May 04 13:27:29 <swisstomcat> my pre2 is faster than this thing
May 04 13:27:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> my Pixi was faster then it...
May 04 13:27:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> it runs at 68xMHz
May 04 13:28:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> my pixi ran at almost 800MHz
May 04 13:29:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> dawm: re-usb stick: the only usb stick I have that I don't use regularly is a 512MB one :/
May 04 13:33:02 <cwayne> dude PatrickC_Pre2 you just need some new shit
May 04 13:33:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have a new 8GB usb drive, but I use it all the time
May 04 13:33:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> and we have a new desktop downstairs (well, new insides)
May 04 13:35:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone in here use wubi before?
May 04 13:38:18 <swisstomcat> yeah
May 04 13:38:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> can I use it offline if I dl the ubuntu iso?
May 04 13:48:59 <swisstomcat> don't remember .. but i assume that it should work
May 04 13:49:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, I'll try it
May 04 13:51:23 <cwayne> PatrickC_Pre2: you dont need to be online to install ubuntu
May 04 13:51:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok
May 04 13:52:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> I didn't know if I did with wubi
May 04 13:54:19 <swisstomcat> hp veer on at&t from may 15th
May 04 13:54:26 <swisstomcat> including optional carrier billing
May 04 13:55:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> where do you see that?
May 04 13:55:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> at work? ;)
May 04 13:56:34 <dawm> um facebook?
May 04 13:56:37 <swisstomcat> http://blog.palm.com/palm/2011/05/veer-arrives-at-att-may-15.html
May 04 13:56:40 <dawm> hp blog
May 04 13:56:46 <swisstomcat> twitter too :)
May 04 13:56:47 <dawm> .. the internets ..
May 04 13:57:00 <dawm> http://twitter.com/#!/palm/status/65775283361423361
May 04 13:57:16 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't have a twitter yet :'(
May 04 13:57:29 <dawm> how do you not have a twitter
May 04 13:57:33 <swisstomcat> yeah!
May 04 13:57:38 <dawm> my mom has a twitter acct, even tho she doesnt know wtf it is
May 04 13:57:46 <dawm> i have 3
May 04 13:57:51 <swisstomcat> even my dog has a twitter account :)
May 04 13:58:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 04 13:58:04 <dawm> er 4 if you count my spam test acct
May 04 13:58:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> now, when do I get my veer dev device?
May 04 13:58:34 <dawm> you dont need one
May 04 13:58:36 <dawm> you have a pixi
May 04 13:58:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> no I dont
May 04 13:58:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> I got rid of that a few months ago
May 04 13:59:03 <dawm> fail for you
May 04 13:59:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> ohwell
May 04 13:59:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll wait to get a dev device
May 04 14:02:26 * PatrickC_Pre2 watches dev site for dev device program
May 04 14:03:17 <dawm> hrm..
May 04 14:03:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> what?
May 04 14:03:55 <dawm> both dawm and biocandy usernames are used..
May 04 14:03:58 <dawm> what the fuck
May 04 14:04:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> for what?
May 04 14:04:28 <dawm> minecraft
May 04 14:04:33 <dawm> guess i wont check it out
May 04 14:04:40 <dawm> not gonna get stuck with a stupid username
May 04 14:05:16 <cwayne> lol
May 04 14:21:56 <Louder|pre> Friend of mine has a minecraft server....they've built a overhead rail system on it
May 04 14:34:56 * PatrickC_Pre2 loves loves loves nova-browser
May 04 14:46:43 <twbbas> So the HP Veer is official and word is that AT&T is marketing it as the Veer 4G when it doesn't even have HSPA+
May 04 14:47:20 <twbbas> Coming May 15th: http://www.precentral.net/ATT-veer-4g-available-may-15th-99-contract
May 04 14:47:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> it has HSPA+ afaik
May 04 14:48:18 <twbbas> Where does it say that?
May 04 14:48:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> in the leaked white photos there was a "H+" icon
May 04 14:48:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> lemme check the product page
May 04 14:48:52 <twbbas> Yeah but not in any of the official news :)
May 04 14:49:20 <gaurav_> HSPA
May 04 14:49:22 <gaurav_> not HSPA+
May 04 14:49:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
May 04 14:49:35 <twbbas> hmm the release photo has a H+ in it too
May 04 14:49:40 <twbbas> but the specs don't say it has it
May 04 14:49:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah, it is only HSPA...
May 04 14:50:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> weird
May 04 14:50:12 <gaurav_> my friend is supposedly getting Pre 3s at work next week
May 04 14:50:19 <twbbas> Sweet!
May 04 14:50:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> how?!?!?!
May 04 14:50:30 <gaurav_> no idea, he just tweeted it
May 04 14:50:36 <twbbas> so cool
May 04 14:50:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> link?
May 04 14:50:43 <gaurav_> I'll ask for a photo when he has them
May 04 14:50:49 <gaurav_> it's private afaik
May 04 14:50:52 <twbbas> Weird that they're giving it to companies before the release date
May 04 14:50:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
May 04 14:51:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know, but.. its HP npw
May 04 14:51:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> now*
May 04 14:51:11 <gaurav_> https://img.skitch.com/20110504-des9krtbdw7tqp63m71ye3mwkc.jpg
May 04 14:51:12 <twbbas> True
May 04 14:51:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesome! can he send one my way? :)
May 04 14:52:19 <twbbas> Everyone on Engadget is saying the Veer will turn out like the Kin. One major difference though, the Veer is a full smartphone unlike the Kin was.
May 04 14:52:35 <gaurav_> the Kin was a POS
May 04 14:52:57 <Loudergood> MS pushed the kin as a teen phone, then got screwed by verizon when they required a full blown data plan
May 04 14:53:06 <halfhalo> yup
May 04 14:53:16 <gaurav_> the Veer for all intents and purposes is a resized Pre 3
May 04 14:53:21 <gaurav_> albeit slower too
May 04 14:53:24 * halfhalo knows someone with a kin who got it because it doesn't need a dataplan anymore
May 04 14:53:33 <gaurav_> but it's fully capable
May 04 14:53:41 <gaurav_> wow halfhalo
May 04 14:53:44 * halfhalo likes the veer
May 04 14:53:58 * twbbas does too
May 04 14:54:01 <Loudergood> it'll probably overclock like mad
May 04 14:54:02 <gaurav_> I wish the white version of the Veer was fully white, not just the sides and back(?)
May 04 14:54:16 <gaurav_> aKIN to the white iPhone 4
May 04 14:54:16 <twbbas> Same but I still think it looks good
May 04 14:54:19 <gaurav_> see what I did there
May 04 14:54:25 <twbbas> Nice one
May 04 14:54:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> Loudergood: I bet the pre3 will overclock like mad
May 04 14:54:38 <gaurav_> Pre 3 is 1.4GHz right?
May 04 14:54:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
May 04 14:54:41 <twbbas> Yup
May 04 14:54:50 <gaurav_> not dual-core?
May 04 14:54:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> idk
May 04 14:54:55 <halfhalo> nope
May 04 14:54:56 <twbbas> I don't think so
May 04 14:54:57 <gaurav_> that's the TouchPad
May 04 14:55:38 <gaurav_> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/05/get-ready-for-the-hp-veer/
May 04 14:55:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> Qualcomm MSM 8x55 (1.4 GHz)
May 04 14:56:38 * halfhalo will miss omap....
May 04 14:57:32 <gaurav_> http://twitter.com/mathieu is "Product Manager at HP, working on webOS. I also design iPhone apps"
May 04 14:57:52 <gaurav_> doesn't that seem a bit odd to anyon
May 04 14:57:55 <gaurav_> anyone*
May 04 14:58:04 <halfhalo> nope
May 04 14:58:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> not really
May 04 14:58:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> 8 min remaining :)
May 04 14:58:51 <gaurav_> until what, PatrickC_Pre2?
May 04 14:59:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> wubi finishes
May 04 14:59:22 <halfhalo> isn't wubi that thin that sucks
May 04 14:59:40 <cwayne> windows installer of ubuntu
May 04 14:59:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> wubi installs ubuntu along side of winblows
May 04 15:00:58 <halfhalo> yeah, so that thing that sucks.
May 04 15:01:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> why does it suck?
May 04 15:01:32 <halfhalo> because its buggy
May 04 15:01:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> how?
May 04 15:02:23 <halfhalo> crashes, locks up windows.  doesn't respect my goddamn hard drive arrangment
May 04 15:03:17 * halfhalo should just make a vhd
May 04 15:03:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: why not livecd and have it install alongside?
May 04 15:04:08 <gaurav_> so wait
May 04 15:04:11 <halfhalo> because I loathe dualboots on my computers
May 04 15:04:16 <gaurav_> if the Veer is "Veer 4G" on AT&T
May 04 15:04:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> then vbox it
May 04 15:04:24 <gaurav_> is the Pre 3 going to be "Pre 3 4G" ...
May 04 15:04:25 <gaurav_> lol
May 04 15:05:07 <halfhalo> OR I could stick it in a vhd and be done.  but I'm lazy so vmware It is
May 04 15:05:11 <twbbas> Pre 3 would be 5G as it actually will have HSPA+
May 04 15:05:30 <halfhalo> or I could find the ubuntu netbook.  bleh
May 04 15:05:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> vmware? I use vbox.. doesn't vmware cost?
May 04 15:05:41 <halfhalo> yup
May 04 15:06:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> then y don't you use vbox?
May 04 15:06:35 <halfhalo> because I like vmware.
May 04 15:06:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok...
May 04 15:07:29 * halfhalo actually spends money on stuff he likes/uses alot
May 04 15:07:56 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't have money to spend on the stuff he likes/uses a lot
May 04 15:09:45 <halfhalo> see, your talking to someone who wouldn't blink dropping 100 for a new pair of flip flops.
May 04 15:10:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> laptop is rebooting!! :D
May 04 15:11:31 * halfhalo likes his flipflops... so comfy
May 04 15:11:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> I wouldn't drop $100 on my laptop
May 04 15:11:58 <cwayne> lolol
May 04 15:12:11 <madnificent> halfhalo: you can't be in webos development, there are no sales here :)
May 04 15:12:12 <halfhalo> last laptop I got came out to aroun 1.8k
May 04 15:12:20 <cwayne> i dont think i had $100 when i was 15
May 04 15:12:30 * halfhalo has a real yob
May 04 15:12:47 * PatrickC_Pre2 is fifteen, finding a job ain't too easy
May 04 15:12:51 <ryanwatkins> s/has/is/
May 04 15:13:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> but, I hear Hobby Lobby starts at $11/Hr
May 04 15:13:20 * halfhalo got his first analog watch at 15... good times...
May 04 15:13:47 <cwayne> lololol
May 04 15:13:59 * cwayne worked at mcdonalds for 6.75 at 15
May 04 15:14:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 04 15:14:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> man, ubuntu doesn't like my laptop
May 04 15:14:31 <halfhalo> nobody likes that laptop
May 04 15:15:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know :/
May 04 15:15:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't either
May 04 15:15:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I'm trying to make the best of what I have :)
May 04 15:15:28 * madnificent pets his lappy
May 04 15:15:34 * halfhalo has spares that are miles faster
May 04 15:16:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> hrmm.. I wonder if it'll tether now :)
May 04 15:16:14 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: you have time, loads and loads of time.  Realize that now you still have it
May 04 15:16:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: time for what?
May 04 15:16:41 <cwayne> anything
May 04 15:16:51 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: for everything you'll soon not be able to do anymore
May 04 15:17:04 * halfhalo will most likely end up dead by 30 in a tragic accident involving clowns and sports cars
May 04 15:17:14 <madnificent> is there an app catalog allowed way to call a sqlite shell command?
May 04 15:17:20 <madnificent> halfhalo: I'll be in the sports car
May 04 15:17:29 <halfhalo> the hell you will
May 04 15:17:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> no, dawm will :)
May 04 15:17:47 <madnificent> then I want to be in another sports car :(
May 04 15:18:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: what car do you have?
May 04 15:18:10 * PatrickC_Pre2 has none :'(
May 04 15:18:20 <madnificent> a bmw e30 and an e34
May 04 15:18:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> sweet
May 04 15:18:42 * halfhalo pets his highlander
May 04 15:18:46 <madnificent> the e34 is waiting for my attention though :)
May 04 15:18:54 * PatrickC_Pre2 begs ubuntu to finish booting
May 04 15:18:55 <madnificent> well, the e30 as well, but at least that one is road-legal
May 04 15:18:59 <madnificent> and great fun to drive as well
May 04 15:19:54 * halfhalo wants a 99 volv s70 t5 awd as his next car
May 04 15:20:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> why is the other one not road-legal? lol
May 04 15:20:16 <madnificent> needs repairing, rust, wheels, suspension...
May 04 15:20:34 <madnificent> it's got 600.000 kms on it, so it's all normal
May 04 15:20:34 <cwayne> nobody can beat my 99 camry
May 04 15:20:39 <cwayne> bitches love 99 camrys
May 04 15:20:49 <halfhalo> hah
May 04 15:20:56 <halfhalo> even toyota doesn't like those cars
May 04 15:21:03 <cwayne> hey man
May 04 15:21:14 <cwayne> its lasted forever with only brakes and tires needing replacement
May 04 15:21:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
May 04 15:21:34 * madnificent doesn't buy cars for how economical they are
May 04 15:21:36 <halfhalo> yeah.... not so much with their newer cars
May 04 15:22:11 * halfhalo buys cars on price. like free.  free is good.
May 04 15:22:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes it is
May 04 15:23:11 * halfhalo notes his car needs more turbos
May 04 15:24:26 <halfhalo> but... that's true for all cars
May 04 15:24:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> how many turbos are on it now?
May 04 15:25:02 <halfhalo> a grand total of.... 0
May 04 15:25:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's a ton!
May 04 15:25:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> how did you afford so many?
May 04 15:25:20 * PatrickC_Pre2 ducks
May 04 15:25:34 <halfhalo> murder
May 04 15:25:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> Ur a hitman?
May 04 15:26:11 <halfhalo> let's go with that
May 04 15:26:39 * halfhalo may not have the fastest car, but he has a mattress in the back.
May 04 15:27:02 <summatusmentis> because you're homeless?
May 04 15:27:05 <ryanwatkins> ha
May 04 15:27:45 <halfhalo> if I was homeless would I drive a car that ges 11mpg in the city...
May 04 15:28:06 <summatusmentis> if you couldn't afford to buy another one
May 04 15:28:29 <halfhalo> new cars are like 10k nowadays
May 04 15:28:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> if ur homeless, you don't have 10k
May 04 15:29:02 <halfhalo> here they do
May 04 15:29:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll be homeless there then
May 04 15:29:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll have more money then I do now
May 04 15:30:09 <halfhalo> that's not saying much
May 04 15:30:44 * halfhalo may be broke, but he sorta kinda works for that money he spends
May 04 15:30:59 <madnificent> /have/ more money than you /do/ now... how can you write that?!  I'm not a native but that sounds terrible
May 04 15:32:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't speak English nativly
May 04 15:32:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> I speak American
May 04 15:32:11 <madnificent> you should be ashamed
May 04 15:32:13 <madnificent> very ashamed
May 04 15:32:24 <halfhalo> I hope to god you are making a joke there
May 04 15:32:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm kidding lol
May 04 15:32:54 <madnificent> it's like flemish peolpe that say "I'm not a belgian, I'm flemish" seriously, think about how dumb that is.
May 04 15:33:13 <madnificent> even makes me so angry that I can't write sentences anymore....
May 04 15:33:22 * madnificent hunts for coffee
May 04 15:33:29 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't know what a Flemish is :P
May 04 15:33:49 * halfhalo points PatrickC_Pre2 to a map
May 04 15:34:14 * cwayne thinks were teaching PatrickC_Pre2 more than his friggen teachers
May 04 15:34:18 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: it's not important (either case: Belgium has two 'big' regions.  A flemish one (we speak dutch) and a wallonian one (they speak french))
May 04 15:34:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> cwayne: I am my teacher :D
May 04 15:34:50 <cwayne> lolwut
May 04 15:34:59 <madnificent> that explains XD
May 04 15:35:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> the benefits of homeschooling lol
May 04 15:35:35 <halfhalo> benefits.... riiiight
May 04 15:37:22 * halfhalo went to _public_ school, and got into his fair share of trouble.  which is like a rite of passage
May 04 15:37:39 * Codhisattva watched the 2011 Fleche Wallone last night
May 04 15:38:34 * halfhalo fondly remembers picking a car up and placing it in the middle of the field with his friends... good times
May 04 15:39:35 <halfhalo> well, that and startcraft
May 04 15:39:44 <cwayne> starcraft fuckyea
May 04 15:39:52 <Codhisattva> also cantstopcraft
May 04 15:40:31 * halfhalo may have stuck starcraft in deepfreeze on all the computers in the programming lab
May 04 15:41:58 * halfhalo loved his webmaster class... passed a certificate the first semester which was an auto a, did nothing the rest of the semester
May 04 15:42:55 <halfhalo> and it was a 2 hour class as well.  which was awesomes
May 04 15:43:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
May 04 15:44:47 * halfhalo was one of those people who could walk around campus during a class for no reason and get away with it
May 04 15:45:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> I was the same way when I went to school
May 04 15:45:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> I was done with all my school work by noon usually
May 04 15:47:23 <halfhalo> I had 5 classes before lunch usually.  I could get out of 4 of them with no pass, and my school is really strict about passes since its an open campus
May 04 15:47:49 <halfhalo> s/is/was
May 04 15:48:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> mine was an open campus too.. with a total of 66 kids K-12
May 04 15:48:34 <madnificent> still, does any one have an idea on my database dump issue?  I'd rather not dump everything manually
May 04 15:49:09 <halfhalo> 66 kids?  we had something like 5k 9-12
May 04 15:49:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> man, I really like ubuntu
May 04 15:50:23 <cwayne> hey me too
May 04 15:50:44 * halfhalo wonders if his hs webserver accnt is still active
May 04 15:52:14 * halfhalo thinks yes, he was the only one with ssh setup
May 04 15:53:32 <halfhalo> mmmmm..... cracked starcraft...
May 04 15:56:29 <NuttyBunny> May the 4th be with you!
May 04 15:56:30 <sugardave> oh yeah, it's Star Wars day
May 04 15:57:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> it is? lol
May 04 15:57:45 <halfhalo> ...
May 04 15:58:11 * halfhalo needs sodypop
May 04 16:00:24 <NuttyBunny> oh, my, I just found a GREAT analogy!!!! Running Ubuntu with just 128Mb is like running webOS 2.1 on a Pixi! :D  LOL
May 04 16:00:32 <sugardave> haha
May 04 16:00:54 * PatrickC_Pre2 knows where he got that from :P
May 04 16:01:57 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
May 04 16:02:18 <NuttyBunny> it's been almost an hour and PatrickC_Pre2's 128Mb lap can't boot ubuntu yet :S
May 04 16:04:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> ...
May 04 16:05:21 <halfhalo> lol
May 04 16:05:47 * halfhalo has 512mb ddr2 dimms on his desk at home
May 04 16:06:21 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't know what kind of RAM this laptop uses
May 04 16:06:34 <halfhalo> ddr methinks
May 04 16:06:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> if I post a pic, could you tell?
May 04 16:07:01 <halfhalo> what model
May 04 16:07:14 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: it's probably written on a sticker attached to them
May 04 16:07:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll check
May 04 16:09:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning Adora
May 04 16:09:31 * halfhalo hides the baby goats
May 04 16:10:42 <halfhalo> ugg
May 04 16:10:53 <halfhalo> this mbp needs more ram as well
May 04 16:12:08 <destinal> Adora: morning!
May 04 16:12:18 <destinal> Adora:  do you know if it'll be possible for developers to get veer direct from HP as with pre2, or at least from ATT off contract?  I know some developers have to be interested in testing apps on it.
May 04 16:12:52 <halfhalo> oh, oh, count me in for off contract veery goodness
May 04 16:13:39 * PatrickC_Pre2 wants to test apps on it
May 04 16:14:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: I don't see anywhere on the ram where it says what kind
May 04 16:14:50 <halfhalo> what model laptop
May 04 16:15:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> Compaq 18XL380
May 04 16:15:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> Presario I believe
May 04 16:16:26 * halfhalo notes a google search for that would have answered this along time ago
May 04 16:16:40 <halfhalo> and its sodimms, which are holycrap expensive nowadays
May 04 16:17:11 <halfhalo> wait... not for 256 sticks
May 04 16:17:12 <halfhalo> tjo
May 04 16:17:16 <halfhalo> those are like 30
May 04 16:17:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> it has 1 slot :q
May 04 16:17:35 <halfhalo> i know
May 04 16:17:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> $70 from here http://www.edgetechcorp.com/ram/Compaq/Presario/18XL380-Memory
May 04 16:17:55 <halfhalo> http://www.memorystock.com/memory/CompaqPresario18XL380.html
May 04 16:18:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> would 256 Really make it run better?
May 04 16:18:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> or should I just save and get a new?
May 04 16:18:39 <sugardave> let's see...doubling RAM...hmm, would that help?
May 04 16:18:40 <halfhalo> A hammer to the mobo would
May 04 16:25:55 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: you should really think about how much money you still want to invost in an old laptop
May 04 16:26:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> right now, I haven't put any money into it
May 04 16:26:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> in fact, right now, its making me money
May 04 16:27:13 <sugardave> but less than $1.99 to cover the cost of a second Angry Birds purchase?
May 04 16:27:15 <sugardave> is it really worth it?
May 04 17:10:16 <gaurav_> is anyone coding an unreleased app that needs some graphic design work?
May 04 17:10:22 <avarus> hi
May 04 17:10:35 <gaurav_> if you are, PM me please
May 04 17:11:32 <avarus> :D
May 04 17:27:50 <hotdp> gaurav_ i coul have used your help many times then
May 04 17:51:42 * halfhalo yawns
May 04 18:08:19 <LoneStar99> morning - afternoon - evening all
May 04 18:10:22 <SineOt> Ahaha. Oh Samsung~
May 04 18:10:50 <SineOt> They neutered the Wifi only Galaxy Tab with an older generation CPU and dropping in a cheaper bluetooth chip.
May 04 18:23:22 <hotdp> LoneStar99 long tim eno see?
May 04 18:33:57 <SineOt> Oh man. OH MAN. Look at those fingers. http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkobkxsj8H1qzs75go1_500.jpg
May 04 18:34:01 <SineOt> AHHHHHHHHhhhhHHHhhh.
May 04 18:34:12 <SineOt> Adora: proof that baby goats aren't the most adorable things ever
May 04 18:40:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> sineot: baby goats aren't, pre3+touchpad's are
May 04 18:40:31 <SineOt> the Pre3+Touchpads are totally not adorable
May 04 18:40:37 <SineOt> awesome, maybe, adorable, no
May 04 18:40:46 <SineOt> Veer might be consiidered adorable by virtue of its size
May 04 18:40:50 <dwc-> are they adora'able?
May 04 18:41:12 <SineOt> har. har. har. har.
May 04 18:41:16 * SineOt golf claps
May 04 18:41:43 * halfhalo gets the white jackets with long arms out
May 04 18:43:13 <dwc-> oh good, those are nice and warm
May 04 18:43:34 <dohtem> they let you give yourself a big hug
May 04 19:04:47 <LoneStar99> howdy hotdp  got disconnected
May 04 19:05:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey lonestar99
May 04 19:08:55 <LoneStar99> howdy
May 04 19:10:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> veer launches the 15th
May 04 19:10:34 <SineOt> yup
May 04 19:11:04 <ryanwatkins> running 2.1 or some later version?
May 04 19:11:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> 2.2 iirc
May 04 19:13:37 <LoneStar99> this 15th?
May 04 19:13:58 <NuttyBunny> May
May 04 19:13:59 <SineOt> yup
May 04 19:14:02 <LoneStar99> wow that is the small one right?
May 04 19:14:07 <SineOt> I think it's running 2.1
May 04 19:14:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> it the small one yep
May 04 19:14:50 <SineOt> but I have a feeling given that the Pre3 FCC report said that it was running 2.3 that a 2.2 update will be out pretty soon after launch
May 04 19:14:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> wubi doesn't like my sedktop
May 04 19:15:18 <SineOt> since 2.2 is the minimum for touch to share for the Touchpad and if that launches soon they don't have much time to get 2.2 out
May 04 19:16:09 <SineOt> would be dumb to launch the Touchpad and not have any devices that could touch to share with
May 04 19:16:13 <SineOt> even if it was just the Veer
May 04 19:16:35 <LoneStar99> the veer looks sweet
May 04 19:16:47 <SineOt> The Veer is sweet yeah
May 04 19:16:55 <SineOt> I think I'm pining, finally, for the Pre3
May 04 19:17:03 <SineOt> Even if it is bigger, I wouldn't mind having a larger screen
May 04 19:17:18 <Draecos> agreed in the veer
May 04 19:17:26 <LoneStar99> i would like a pre 2 dev phone and a veer or pre 3 for daily use
May 04 19:17:27 <Draecos> was a bit doubtful until i got to play with one
May 04 19:17:45 <Draecos> feels alright for such a small formfactor
May 04 19:19:02 <SineOt> yup
May 04 19:19:04 <LoneStar99> Draecos:  how is the veer pretty sweet?
May 04 19:19:08 <SineOt> and the keyboard is surprisingly easy to use
May 04 19:19:24 <SineOt> They took a lot of hints from the Pixi keyboard with it
May 04 19:19:54 <Draecos> why ask me the question when you just made the statement yourself LoneStar99 ?
May 04 19:20:12 <SineOt> it's always nice to hear what others like and dislike about the hardware! :p
May 04 19:20:16 <Draecos> or are you asking my opinion?
May 04 19:20:25 <SineOt> personally? I like that it's a flat glass screen and a more Pixi like keyboard
May 04 19:20:55 <Draecos> i liked the small form factor and that the keyboard was small but spaced and tactile enough to type properly
May 04 19:21:04 <LoneStar99> Draecos:  i have not physically messed one, i thought you had...
May 04 19:21:24 <Draecos> ah right sorry, IM syndrome, came across wrong
May 04 19:21:41 <Draecos> yer I played with one at the gadget show her in the UK
May 04 19:21:45 <Draecos> here*
May 04 19:22:05 <Draecos> imagine a pre2 at about 2/3 the size and thinner
May 04 19:22:06 <SineOt> Yeah, I played with one at the Feb 9th event
May 04 19:22:16 <Draecos> fast as well
May 04 19:22:28 <Draecos> i imagined a pre- speed but it was dead fast
May 04 19:22:35 <SineOt> yeah, surprisingly fast. But then again, it's got a zippy, modern Qualcomm chip in it
May 04 19:22:40 <Draecos> yer
May 04 19:22:41 <LoneStar99> Draecos: nice
May 04 19:22:51 <Draecos> id have one for an one the road phone
May 04 19:22:53 <Draecos> on*
May 04 19:22:56 <Draecos> its diddy
May 04 19:23:17 <Draecos> perfect for a shirt pocket or trouser pocket when going out
May 04 19:23:20 <SineOt> I'd say it's probably on par with like, Pre2 speeds if not maybe a little quicker
May 04 19:23:20 <Draecos> quite light
May 04 19:23:28 <SineOt> at least in the perceived speed
May 04 19:23:33 <Draecos> i could slap my pre2 sometimes
May 04 19:23:41 <SineOt> probably not in actual synthetic benchmark speeds
May 04 19:23:57 <Draecos> when something is downloading on the nic is freezes the gui for a couple of secs
May 04 19:24:04 <Draecos> was the same on pre-
May 04 19:24:30 <Draecos> can only assume cpu is tied up with nic processing
May 04 19:24:33 <Draecos> anyway
May 04 19:24:37 <Draecos> veer is nice, i want
May 04 19:24:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> I want pre3
May 04 19:24:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I'll settle for a veer :)
May 04 19:24:57 <Draecos> pre3 was nice too
May 04 19:25:03 <Draecos> played with one of those and the touchpad
May 04 19:25:10 <SineOt> did you get to actually touch the Pre3 and Touchpad, Draecos?
May 04 19:25:17 <Draecos> well, watched the touchpad and felt the weight
May 04 19:25:20 <SineOt> they wouldn't let us touch either of them at the Feb 9th event, just the Veers
May 04 19:25:22 <Draecos> wasnt allowed to play :(
May 04 19:25:40 <Draecos> only played on pre3 and veer
May 04 19:25:43 <LoneStar99> =(
May 04 19:25:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's the pre3?
May 04 19:25:58 <Draecos> the geeza let me and the missus feel the weight and chassis on the TP
May 04 19:26:06 <Draecos> no play though - boo hiss
May 04 19:26:07 <SineOt> Hey, at least you got to touch the Pre3 and use it XD
May 04 19:26:10 <Draecos> hehe
May 04 19:26:32 <Draecos> it was just webOS 2.x so nothing new at the time OS wise
May 04 19:26:40 <Draecos> chassis was nice, thinner
May 04 19:26:43 <SineOt> I think the straight sliders on the Veer and Pre3 are going to make a huge deal of difference in how nice they hold up to use
May 04 19:26:45 <Draecos> preferred the keyboard
May 04 19:26:57 <SineOt> Yeah, it's surprising that the Pre3 is only about a mm thinner than the Pre2
May 04 19:27:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> straight sliders??
May 04 19:27:04 <SineOt> because it looks and holds like it's a lot smaller
May 04 19:27:22 <Draecos> yer but the kb is diff, they've given more space below the screen when extended
May 04 19:27:25 <SineOt> Yeah? Pretty sure the sliders on both don't curve like they do on the Pre2/Pre
May 04 19:27:30 <Draecos> so you're not mr stubby fingers
May 04 19:27:43 <SineOt> Yeah
May 04 19:27:56 <SineOt> Draecos: it's a straight slider, isn't it?
May 04 19:27:59 <Draecos> yer i dont remember the Veer and Pre3 being curved sliders
May 04 19:28:00 <SineOt> or am I remembering it wrong
May 04 19:28:07 <Draecos> struggling to remember tbh
May 04 19:28:11 <Draecos> i think you're right
May 04 19:28:12 <SineOt> yeah, I think it's straight now
May 04 19:28:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesome!
May 04 19:28:27 <Draecos> curved was ok when it was the Pre-
May 04 19:28:34 <Draecos> but pointless now
May 04 19:28:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 04 19:28:58 <SineOt> it was "okay" but I think like 99% of the problems people have with the Pre are due to the curved slider
May 04 19:28:59 <Draecos> I think HPalm learn their lesson with the shit that was the pre/2 slider
May 04 19:29:06 <Draecos> yes SineOt
May 04 19:29:33 <Draecos> both my personal and dev pre2's 'rattle' on the slider :(
May 04 19:29:47 <Draecos> look forward to straight sliders
May 04 19:29:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here
May 04 19:29:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> all my pre's have the oreo
May 04 19:30:09 <Draecos> my pre- does, pre2s done luckily
May 04 19:30:15 <Draecos> dont*
May 04 19:30:20 <Draecos> just rattle
May 04 19:30:23 <SineOt> Yeah, here we go: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/2011-02-09pre3macro-1.jpg
May 04 19:30:31 <Draecos> but anyway, im chuffed on using it on a daily basis now
May 04 19:30:37 <SineOt> The Pre3 is a straight slider that looks to have some beefy metal railings behind it
May 04 19:30:42 <Draecos> gets properly whored
May 04 19:30:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> sineot: amazing!
May 04 19:31:16 <Draecos> HP could learn a lot from Nokia and others on their sliders
May 04 19:31:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> we need a side-ways slider
May 04 19:31:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> berb
May 04 19:31:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
May 04 19:31:37 <Draecos> ^^ YES
May 04 19:31:39 <Draecos> want
May 04 19:31:49 <Draecos> miss that
May 04 19:31:57 <Draecos> had HTC Kaiser and Hermes before
May 04 19:32:04 <Draecos> both side sliders
May 04 19:32:05 <SineOt> actually, here: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/2011-02-09pre3macro-9.jpg
May 04 19:32:11 <SineOt> A pre3 and a Veer I think
May 04 19:32:14 <Draecos> nice one
May 04 19:32:20 <Draecos> much better
May 04 19:32:26 <SineOt> so while it might be still slightly curved, it's no where near the curve on the Pre/Pre2
May 04 19:32:32 <SineOt> And far closer to being a straight slide
May 04 19:32:48 <Draecos> hey look even the veer has more space above the screen
May 04 19:32:54 <Draecos> better
May 04 19:33:16 <Draecos> anyone here web devs as well as webos devs?
May 04 19:33:29 <Draecos> i could seriously do with finding ways to speed up dev
May 04 19:33:38 <Draecos> take ages doing websites :(
May 04 19:33:44 <SineOt> I think it's kind of hard to not be a web dev in one way or another when you're deving for webOS, haha
May 04 19:34:40 <Draecos> yer i know
May 04 19:34:55 <Draecos> not a web / webos dev by dayjob
May 04 19:35:08 <Draecos> so need to get some serious skills
May 04 19:35:11 <SineOt> y'know, I wonder if the version of Internalz in the app catalog would let you package apps off of the Veer
May 04 19:35:28 <SineOt> because the version of Facebook on there is a ton better than the one avaliable right now >:<
May 04 19:35:30 <Draecos> can it get skype off a verizon pre2?
May 04 19:35:36 <SineOt> it has a kick ass exhibition mode
May 04 19:35:41 <SineOt> it's not Skype, it's fake skype
May 04 19:35:46 <Draecos> cos id kill for skype
May 04 19:35:50 <Draecos> tossers
May 04 19:35:52 <SineOt> even if you can you can't do anything with it unless you're on the Verizon network
May 04 19:35:56 <Draecos> skype are such knobs
May 04 19:36:07 <Draecos> if its not iphone or Windows Mobile they dont care
May 04 19:36:11 <SineOt> it makes a regular phonecall to Verizon's back end telephone servers that then gets routed out onto Skype
May 04 19:36:20 <Draecos> took them ages to get Android skype sorted
May 04 19:36:25 <Draecos> thats shit SineOt
May 04 19:36:44 <SineOt> yeah but that's just as much Verizon's fault as anything
May 04 19:36:47 <SineOt> but mostly Skype's
May 04 19:36:57 <LoneStar99> alright time 4 lunch chat in awhile
May 04 19:37:20 <Draecos> ok chap
May 04 19:37:31 <keith> SineOt: yea love that fb exhibition mode
May 04 19:37:41 <keith> hopefully they push the updated fb out to all
May 04 19:37:41 <Draecos> i bet it wouldnt take much for skype to build an webOS app
May 04 19:37:46 <Draecos> they just cant be arsed
May 04 19:38:00 <keith> dude, what voip apps exist on webos?
May 04 19:38:01 <SineOt> yeah, it was pretty killer, keith
May 04 19:38:11 <keith> 2.x finally has recording apis
May 04 19:38:14 <keith> for the 1st time
May 04 19:38:19 <Draecos> could so do with a SIP client on webOS too
May 04 19:38:19 <SineOt> even if it did over write the camera thanks to a layering bug in the version they showed off on the 9th
May 04 19:38:24 <SineOt> keith: Linphone
May 04 19:38:27 <SineOt> it's in alpha right now
May 04 19:38:30 <keith> linphone doesnt work too well
May 04 19:38:35 <keith> and its not using the apis, IIRC
May 04 19:38:39 <keith> its reverse engineered
May 04 19:38:43 * keith is a voip engineer by trade
May 04 19:38:50 <SineOt> ah
May 04 19:38:58 <Draecos> pants
May 04 19:39:01 <keith> voip apps are hard to write
May 04 19:39:04 <SineOt> I'm not sure if the recording APIs could even handle doing proper VOIP type stuff
May 04 19:39:10 <SineOt> or if it's just like voice memo recording
May 04 19:39:13 <keith> it would either have to be a pdk port, or a hybrid
May 04 19:39:15 <SineOt> I haven't looked at them yet
May 04 19:39:20 <keith> SineOt: they are supposed to be proper hooks
May 04 19:39:30 <keith> but exactly, havent seen anyone use them for full duplex.
May 04 19:39:43 <keith> pdk port would be a massive pain in the ass
May 04 19:39:54 <keith> in theory, it can be done all with the sdk
May 04 19:43:33 <SineOt> in theory, yeah
May 04 19:44:30 <SineOt> our DSL at home: 2.87/0.63 HELL YEAH
May 04 19:45:44 <SineOt> rocked a 16% packet loss average on the 22nd of last month. HELL YEAH
May 04 19:51:38 <SineOt> keith: yeah, looking at it, I'm not entirely sure the exposed APIs could be used for full duplex audio conversation type stuff
May 04 19:55:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
May 04 20:10:42 <ryanwatkins> want skype even w/o VOIP - just want skype IM
May 04 20:12:04 <ryanwatkins> so whats the workaround for the damn developer forum website askign you to re-login every hour?
May 04 20:13:13 <cwayne> logging in every hour
May 04 20:13:52 <ryanwatkins> thx!
May 04 20:14:23 <ryanwatkins> tried setting all my cookies a yr into the future, but clearly server side session getting nuked.  ugh.
May 04 20:42:06 <dohtem> ryanwatkins: I think someone wrote a greasemonkey script to fix that
May 04 20:43:06 <ryanwatkins> dohtem: woot!  thx
May 04 21:14:29 <ryanwatkins> i love inconsistent APIs - setClassName, getClassName, yet addClass, hasClass.  lame.
May 04 21:15:42 <avarus> opium therapy...sounds interesting :P
May 04 21:16:14 <SineOt> yay opium :9
May 04 21:17:23 <dohtem> http://developers.aviary.com/effects-api <- ooh
May 04 21:34:24 <NuttyBunny> Bah, the Pre doesn't work as a boot device for installing Ubuntu :S
May 04 21:36:04 <Loudergood> no?
May 04 21:36:09 <Loudergood> that's a shame
May 04 21:36:24 <Loudergood> I almost tried that about a month ago
May 04 21:36:42 <NuttyBunny> I just did and no, it doesn't work
May 04 21:36:56 <Loudergood> does it not offer to go into usb drive mode until too late?
May 04 21:37:32 <NuttyBunny> nah, the machine just doesn't see it as an option for booting
May 04 21:37:33 <NuttyBunny> :(
May 04 21:38:30 <Loudergood> now I'm wondering if this is universally true...
May 04 21:39:46 <Loudergood> my thinkpad sees it :D
May 04 21:40:11 <NuttyBunny> for booting???
May 04 21:40:22 <Loudergood> it shows up as a boot option yes
May 04 21:40:30 <NuttyBunny> mmm...
May 04 21:40:34 <NuttyBunny> this is a T61
May 04 21:40:41 <Loudergood> now I'm going to use unetbootin to try something else
May 04 21:40:45 <Loudergood> this is a T60
May 04 21:40:55 <NuttyBunny> I used unetbootin, but it doesn't see it
May 04 21:41:21 <Loudergood> I have the bios setup to give me a list of options when I press F12
May 04 21:42:42 <Loudergood> I can't imagine the bioses are too different
May 04 21:42:42 <NuttyBunny> me 2
May 04 21:42:44 <NuttyBunny> mmm...
May 04 21:42:53 <NuttyBunny> no, I think it's something else...
May 04 21:42:58 <NuttyBunny> I'll do it again
May 04 21:43:11 <avarus> you are funny :P
May 04 21:43:27 <Loudergood> in the bios under startup there's a bood device list f12 option
May 04 21:43:28 <NuttyBunny> you too :P
May 04 21:43:44 <dawm> BOOD DEVICE
May 04 21:43:52 <Loudergood> lol
May 04 21:43:53 <NuttyBunny> yep, I press that, and it just shows the hard disk, the cd drive and network boot :(
May 04 21:43:57 <Loudergood> guess I should eat dinner
May 04 21:44:02 <dawm> <balls deep>
May 04 21:44:13 <avarus> in 2009 I had to ask for an alternative bios (supermicro) to support usb boot support :P
May 04 21:44:17 <Loudergood> and your pre is in USB drive mode?
May 04 21:44:24 <avarus> in theory the board supported it
May 04 21:44:30 <avarus> in practice it didn't
May 04 21:44:35 <Loudergood> lol
May 04 21:44:54 <avarus> they send me the wrong version, I flashed it, black screen
May 04 21:44:58 <Loudergood> right, but I have it working on a thinkpad T60, he has a T60...I think we even have similar bios downloads
May 04 21:45:00 <Loudergood> oh damn
May 04 21:45:03 <avarus> sent the board to sm, they send it back with new bios :P
May 04 21:45:08 <Loudergood> lol
May 04 21:45:29 <avarus> still didn't support usb boot, I asked for new bios, this time correct version :P
May 04 21:45:33 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: Of course, usb mode :)   I'll use unetbootin again
May 04 21:45:42 <avarus> the bios said "beta" during boot
May 04 21:45:58 <avarus> I never bought sm again :)
May 04 21:46:23 <avarus> in this case I really needed usb boot (open-e nas stuff)
May 04 21:47:04 <NuttyBunny> did it work at least?
May 04 21:47:11 <avarus> yes
May 04 21:47:45 <NuttyBunny> cool :)
May 04 21:47:52 <dawm> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/ctd/2361764612.html
May 04 21:47:59 <Loudergood> I've replaced the dvdrom in this with a battery, so USB boot is necessary
May 04 21:48:26 <Loudergood> it'd better be better than a polaris ranger
May 04 21:48:32 <NuttyBunny> In fact, this one boots with usb sticks, but I have no one here
May 04 21:48:33 <Loudergood> the one we have at work is always breaking down
May 04 21:49:14 <avarus> omg what a car :P
May 04 21:49:24 <dawm> i know.. 45mpg ;P
May 04 21:49:37 <dawm> 21yrs old too
May 04 21:49:48 <avarus> that's really not the problem here :P
May 04 21:49:50 <Loudergood> I don't know... if I could figure out how to fit my 18' kayak on it....
May 04 21:50:01 <avarus> my car is 21 years old, too
May 04 21:50:22 <dawm> i would totally rock that as a commute vehicle (if i had the money)
May 04 21:50:29 <Loudergood> yeah mine is 23, that would be an upgrade
May 04 21:50:38 <avarus> what is it?
May 04 21:50:41 <Loudergood> also I'd go from 20mpg up to that
May 04 21:50:44 <Loudergood> a volvo
May 04 21:50:51 <avarus> which one?
May 04 21:51:11 <Loudergood> 740 wagon
May 04 21:51:19 <Loudergood> works GREAT with the 18' kayak
May 04 21:51:30 <avarus> http://www.carmotive.com/admin/uploads/largeimages/20111.jpg <.. looks like it got "sprayed" :p
May 04 21:51:50 <dohtem> looks like dust
May 04 21:51:57 <dohtem> from when the AC is used
May 04 21:52:00 <avarus> ah yea, the 740 is a robust car
May 04 21:52:29 <avarus> was still a real volvo
May 04 21:52:44 <SineOt> and yeah, that's just dust
May 04 21:52:46 <avarus> not the ones with the renault engine which came out after that I believe
May 04 21:52:58 <SineOt> my S10 was full of it but it's easy enough to clean especially if the fan grills come off
May 04 21:53:23 <Loudergood> I paid $900 for it 5 1/2 years ago
May 04 21:53:31 <avarus> hehe
May 04 21:53:40 <avarus> I paid 1000 eur for mine 7 years ago :P
May 04 21:53:50 <avarus> for my car
May 04 21:54:41 <dohtem> heh, I knew someone that bought a Saturn for $1000 rode the thing into the ground and broke even when they sold it a few years later
May 04 21:55:54 <Loudergood> I've actually put more than that into it for repairs...
May 04 21:56:16 <Loudergood> but that was all a head gasket...which was my own fuckup
May 04 21:56:46 <dohtem> http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/04/att-t-mobile-dipping-hspa-4g-branding/ -- Veer & "4G"
May 04 21:56:52 <Loudergood> it was pretty much spend $1000 on a car whose issues I know, or $1000 on a car whose issues I don't know
May 04 21:56:55 <Loudergood> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/25866_516638501745_160400191_30634345_5150440_n.jpg
May 04 21:57:38 <Loudergood> still haven't taken the kayak out yet this year, can't afford the temptation for the rest of this semester
May 04 21:58:56 <NuttyBunny> ok, trying again :)
May 04 21:59:32 <avarus> for the autobahn I had to replace the 240000 km old running gear :P
May 04 21:59:42 <avarus> at 130km/h it became dangerous :P
May 04 22:00:04 <avarus> now I'm also 4cm lower and I can drive it with one hand at 200km/h
May 04 22:01:46 <avarus> dohtem, my pixi can't do more than 2mbps and I'm not too worried about that :)
May 04 22:02:21 <SineOt> Fastest I've seen my Pixi hit on Sprint was 1500mbps
May 04 22:02:53 <Loudergood> I should speed test mine at work
May 04 22:02:53 <avarus> I used some app to test it...not sure if the result is correct; just assume it is :)
May 04 22:03:26 <Loudergood> just installed speedtest.net mini on one of the servers
May 04 22:04:08 <Loudergood> and yup, there we go, I'm booting arch linux live off the pre2 usb drive
May 04 22:04:21 <avarus> torturer
May 04 22:04:43 <madnificent> pre screwed up date/time again
May 04 22:05:12 <Loudergood> madnificent: you're having problems with network time right?
May 04 22:05:27 <madnificent> Loudergood: I turned network time off this time
May 04 22:05:31 <Loudergood> it sucks that if you turn that off I've found it to wander wildly
May 04 22:05:43 <madnificent> ah, so that's vaguely normal
May 04 22:05:45 <Loudergood> it's a horrible clock
May 04 22:05:56 <madnificent> but how does it suddenly get off by 4 hours or more?!
May 04 22:06:02 <Loudergood> that I don't know
May 04 22:06:04 <SineOt> Clock Sync helps that a ton
May 04 22:06:10 <Loudergood> isn't there an ntp client?
May 04 22:06:13 <SineOt> especially on devices without a network connection
May 04 22:06:37 <SineOt> madnificent: drift. Every clock in every PC I've ever owned has drifted to some degree, some worse than others
May 04 22:06:44 <SineOt> my laptop and Pre both drift insanely bad
May 04 22:06:55 <madnificent> SineOt: yes, I know... but this a completely new level of drift for me
May 04 22:07:06 <avarus> meeh, wanted to jailbreak the stupid iphone to make  it more useful and now? cydia crashes upton startup and wifi doesn't work :P great...*throwing_it_away
May 04 22:07:13 <Loudergood> yeah I've seen that drive on pre and pre2
May 04 22:07:17 <SineOt> madnificent: I'm used to it XD
May 04 22:07:26 <SineOt> hence why the first thing I install is Clock Sync from the app cat
May 04 22:07:28 * madnificent remembers optimizing a microprocesser clock application so it ran less than 1 second out of bounds per month
May 04 22:07:45 <SineOt> my laptop will wander like 45 minutes fast over the course of two hours
May 04 22:08:00 * madnificent would prefer ntp, I have a tier 3 (I think) time server on the local network
May 04 22:08:06 <Loudergood> now that I haven't seen
May 04 22:09:11 <SineOt> Loudergood: it's a netbook running OSX. I think it's a mixture of those two factors coming together to create a laptop that travels through time
May 04 22:09:20 <SineOt> at least it runs fast and not slow
May 04 22:09:29 <SineOt> so I end up thinking it's later than it really is
May 04 22:09:35 <Loudergood> SineOt: that's pretty likely
May 04 22:09:39 <NuttyBunny> well, it didn't work :)
May 04 22:09:40 <Draecos> just out of interested, its anyone that spends time in here from the UK?
May 04 22:09:57 <avarus> probably, the british are everywhere
May 04 22:09:58 <Loudergood> NuttyBunny: when are you going into USB drive mode?
May 04 22:10:06 <Draecos> avarus, lol
May 04 22:10:10 <sugardave> limey bastards
May 04 22:10:17 <madnificent> SineOt: no, it's a broken internal clock, is the battery still charged?
May 04 22:10:22 <Draecos> i mean actually in the UK, not originally from the K
May 04 22:10:25 <madnificent> SineOt: of the mother board, that is
May 04 22:10:25 <Draecos> thanks sugardave
May 04 22:10:31 <sugardave> no problem ;)
May 04 22:10:31 <Draecos> bloody yanks
May 04 22:10:33 <avarus> sorry :)
May 04 22:10:36 <Draecos> :D
May 04 22:10:42 <SineOt> madnificent: yup
May 04 22:10:44 <avarus> where are you from then?
May 04 22:10:45 <Loudergood> haha I'm trying to think of anyone
May 04 22:10:48 <SineOt> it drifts while it's turned on :p
May 04 22:10:50 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: Before pressing F12, and after.. it doesn't seems to make a difference
May 04 22:10:55 <Draecos> avarus, where do you think...
May 04 22:10:56 <sugardave> I actually love the UK.  I can converse with people there :)
May 04 22:11:00 <avarus> Draecos, scotland :P
May 04 22:11:04 <Draecos> :D
May 04 22:11:12 <sugardave> I think Popple3 is in Ireland?
May 04 22:11:18 <Loudergood> I've seen it work if I set it in that mode before rebooting..
May 04 22:11:25 <Draecos> sugardave, k
May 04 22:11:29 <Loudergood> but from a cold boot I don't think it works
May 04 22:11:47 <madnificent> the motherboard battery doesn't charge, so it doesn't matter that much if it's turned on or not (or the power supply to the crystal must be broken)
May 04 22:11:49 <Draecos> just wondered how many active devs apart from a couple on twitter are UK webOS devs
May 04 22:11:59 <sugardave> there are a few
May 04 22:12:35 <madnificent> Draecos: there was this map, no?
May 04 22:12:38 <Loudergood> if you broaden that to commonwealth there's lots
May 04 22:12:40 <madnificent> Draecos: non-official, but still
May 04 22:12:48 <avarus> so?
May 04 22:12:53 <Draecos> yer i remember no madnificent
May 04 22:12:54 <Draecos> now*
May 04 22:13:08 <Draecos> UK only Loudergood :)
May 04 22:13:16 <avarus> my favorite is black bush :P
May 04 22:13:20 <Draecos> commonwealth yes there is lots
May 04 22:14:21 <madnificent> and now some yahoo account doesn't want to sync... what is wrong today?
May 04 22:15:49 <avarus> Draecos, so? :)
May 04 22:17:11 <Tibfib> anyone: http://twitter.com/#!/Tibfib/status/65902465811357696
May 04 22:17:22 <Tibfib> for the lazy: Going to UK in a few weeks. I have two unlocked pre 2's. Anybody know the best/cheapest way to get service for them for the 4 week trip?
May 04 22:17:48 <Loudergood> some prepaid uk sims?
May 04 22:17:56 <sugardave> that one
May 04 22:18:16 <Tibfib> we were looking at that
May 04 22:18:25 <dohtem> Tibfib: I used cheapo vodafone sims over there
May 04 22:18:34 <Tibfib> work well
May 04 22:18:36 <Tibfib> ?
May 04 22:18:41 <dohtem> yeah
May 04 22:18:48 <Tibfib> no contract?
May 04 22:19:08 <dohtem> you just have to remember to reload them ("top up" in UK speak) when you are low on credit
May 04 22:19:32 <sugardave> mind the gap!
May 04 22:19:43 <Tibfib> haha
May 04 22:20:49 <Hendikins> Hrm, so AT&T-exclusive Veer. For the US I can actually see it making some degree of sense if it is a GSM-only device and they're borging T Mobile.
May 04 22:20:51 <Tibfib> this is what was recommended to my mom: http://www.cellhire.com/products/international/sim-card/europe
May 04 22:21:12 <Draecos> avarus, dont get your point
May 04 22:21:25 <avarus> Draecos, thought so, where are you from? :P
May 04 22:21:31 <Draecos> UK
May 04 22:21:41 <Draecos> obviously given my questions :)
May 04 22:22:00 <dohtem> Tibfib: I think it might be cheaper just to buy one locally.
May 04 22:22:04 <avarus> lol :P...I come from world :P
May 04 22:22:09 <Draecos> hmm
May 04 22:22:18 <Loudergood> yeah buyingone locally would be my suggestion
May 04 22:22:19 <avarus> yep, buy it in the UK
May 04 22:22:25 <Draecos> ^^
May 04 22:22:49 <avarus> orange, vodafone, O2, etc...
May 04 22:22:50 <Loudergood> http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/pay-as-you-go/sim-cards
May 04 22:22:56 <Draecos> tmobile/orange is a good idea
May 04 22:23:05 <Draecos> they are sharing networks
May 04 22:23:24 <Draecos> if 3g is important, use three
May 04 22:23:27 <Draecos> three.co.uk
May 04 22:23:43 <avarus> wow, still very expensive, Loudergood :)...I pay 9 cents per minute
May 04 22:24:08 <Loudergood> yeah, so do I
May 04 22:26:01 <Hendikins> Draecos: I thought if 3G was important, travel to some other country?
May 04 22:26:05 <Tibfib> hmm we don't want a pay as you go
May 04 22:26:12 <Tibfib> don't want to have to worry about filling up and so forth
May 04 22:26:29 <Draecos> just saying Hendikins
May 04 22:26:42 <SineOt> I think Orange has contract free month to month SIMs
May 04 22:26:45 <SineOt> but I'm not sure
May 04 22:26:47 <dohtem> Tibfib: It seemed like everyone over there used pay as you go.  They are contract averse
May 04 22:27:04 <Hendikins> Tibfib: Beats using international reaming... er, roaming.
May 04 22:27:25 <Tibfib> Hendikins: well yeah :)
May 04 22:27:29 <avarus> what's the problem with these sims? when I've got no credit on my sim I simply can't make a call
May 04 22:27:35 <Draecos> dohtem, not always. but we do get punished on contracts
May 04 22:27:57 <Draecos> but people like me are lazy, i stay on contract so i dont have to both topping up
May 04 22:28:18 <avarus> in my case I have activated auto-pay or they've called it :P
May 04 22:28:28 <SineOt> Yeah, Tibfib: you can get 1 month prepaid Orange SIMs
May 04 22:28:37 <Tibfib> got a link handy?>
May 04 22:28:51 <SineOt> http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/price-plans/pay-monthly/sim-only
May 04 22:28:55 <dohtem> ooh, also get an oyster card
May 04 22:28:56 <SineOt> Any of the ones marked 1 month
May 04 22:28:58 <avarus> so when I'm below 5 eur they debit money from my credit card
May 04 22:29:00 <dohtem> for the tube
May 04 22:29:20 <Draecos> avarus, yes but you get whored for 3g usage :)
May 04 22:29:34 <avarus> me? no. you? dunno :P
May 04 22:29:46 <avarus> 10 eur for 1GB; that's what I pay
May 04 22:30:02 <Draecos> you as in uk users
May 04 22:30:12 <Draecos> not you as in yourself
May 04 22:30:19 <Draecos> figure of speech
May 04 22:30:22 <avarus> 500mb for 20gbp...looks good to me
May 04 22:30:23 <Draecos> doesnt matter
May 04 22:30:31 <SineOt> The Dolphin 20 might be the best option
May 04 22:30:43 <avarus> Draecos, you got it :P
May 04 22:31:10 <Hendikins> The main problem with 3G in my country is you either get reamed by the pricing or it completely sucks.
May 04 22:31:22 * Hendikins pads off to the station
May 04 22:31:32 <Draecos> if i paid ?20 for just 500mb id go balistic :)
May 04 22:32:00 <SineOt> Eh, it's 600 minutes and unlimited texting too.
May 04 22:32:22 <avarus> Tibfib, and don't forget to put the uk sim the other way around when putting it into your phone
May 04 22:32:35 <Tibfib> avarus: heh, thanks
May 04 22:32:40 <Draecos> SineOt, wasnt looking at the link
May 04 22:32:48 <dohtem> lol avarus
May 04 22:33:49 <avarus> now I'm leaving; I left the window open while driving and it was probably too cold...my body hurts everywhere :P
May 04 22:33:51 <avarus> good night
May 04 22:34:09 <Draecos> nn :)
May 04 22:37:22 <dwc-> afaict, there's no clock while the pres are off... if you don't have a SIM card in it, you need clock sync
May 04 22:37:44 <sugardave> nah...that can't be right.
May 04 22:38:04 <sugardave> there's an option to turn off the network time synch, it has to keep track somehow
May 04 22:38:11 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: some devices' internal clock is just plain crap
May 04 22:38:18 <sugardave> well, that's different :)
May 04 22:38:41 <NuttyBunny> My Pre Plus, here, is off by 5 hours right now
May 04 22:38:49 <sugardave> nice!
May 04 22:39:05 <sugardave> just travel 5 timezones, no problem
May 04 22:39:12 <dwc-> I think network time sync refers to your cellular time broadcasts
May 04 22:39:12 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha
May 04 22:39:13 <Draecos> 5 hours, nice
May 04 22:39:24 <NuttyBunny> yeah, I could go to the webOS meeting in Berlin :P
May 04 22:39:28 <sugardave> heh
May 04 22:39:33 <dwc-> shouldn't be that hard to test though... I guess turn off a phone for an hour, see how much time elapses
May 04 22:42:01 <Loudergood> just set a reminder on your pho...oh...
May 04 22:42:09 <sugardave> haha
May 04 22:44:27 <Draecos> love the slapping down I got from avarus
May 04 22:59:23 <madnificent> what the hell PRE?!
May 04 22:59:23 <madnificent> what
May 04 22:59:24 <madnificent> the
May 04 22:59:25 <madnificent> hell
May 04 22:59:51 <madnificent> I've reconfigured it, downloaded the app that was hinted to me :) which effectively reset the time from the local NTP, it seems
May 04 23:00:04 <madnificent> now the pre says it's 00:23...
May 04 23:00:11 <sugardave> what time is it?
May 04 23:00:13 <madnificent> (it is 00:58)
May 04 23:00:26 <Draecos> oh dear
May 04 23:00:29 <Tibfib> clock sync worked beautifully when my pre2 wasn't on a carrier
May 04 23:00:37 <Tibfib> does that use private apis?
May 04 23:01:04 <madnificent> the clock syncs every 2 hours now... but that'll likely mean I'll get a time-boost every 2 hours of one and a half hours or so
May 04 23:02:12 <madnificent> not entirely true, it seems to lag 50% of the time...
May 04 23:10:31 * halfhalo wonders if his work computer can play this video
May 04 23:11:20 <halfhalo> A bluray rip of the hangover... hmmm.  lets find out!
May 04 23:13:15 <halfhalo> holy crap it can.  I'm freaking amazed
May 04 23:14:18 * halfhalo wants to try his epic now... but doesn't have an sd card big enough... or a pre big enough for that matter
May 04 23:14:40 <Hendikins> Easy on computers, it just gets palmed off to a GPU that can do it in hardware.
May 04 23:14:55 <Hendikins> Assuming you've got something like VDPAU working, of course.
May 04 23:15:11 <halfhalo> not on this one, well, not really.  older gpu
May 04 23:15:27 <halfhalo> my low end ati card in my laptop does it fine though
May 04 23:15:37 <halfhalo> But it _is_ a 17GB mkv as well
May 04 23:15:43 <Hendikins> H.264 in hardware isn't a new feature though.
May 04 23:16:29 * halfhalo knows.  But this computer is rocking an x1600 with a coresolo backing it up
May 04 23:17:05 <SineOt> what is it using to play? CoreAVC eats H264 for breakfast
May 04 23:17:18 <halfhalo> quicktime
May 04 23:17:23 <halfhalo> because I'm lazy
May 04 23:17:28 <SineOt> hah
May 04 23:17:36 <halfhalo> and its a mac
May 04 23:17:44 <dohtem> Tibfib: pm?
May 04 23:17:44 <SineOt> ah
May 04 23:17:51 <SineOt> yeah quicktime for mac does H264 pretty well
May 04 23:17:53 * halfhalo prods his desktop at home to finish ripping the bluray
May 04 23:17:56 <Tibfib> dohtem: sure
May 04 23:18:55 <Hendikins> Speaking of that, I'm looking at setting up a bit of an encoding cluster.
May 04 23:19:00 <halfhalo> 20 bucks says my desktop locks up before it finishes the encoding after this rip as well.
May 04 23:19:24 <Hendikins> I've got an existing dual quad core Opteron box, and I may be picking up a dual quad core Xeon box on the cheap.
May 04 23:19:40 <halfhalo> nice
May 04 23:20:12 <Hendikins> Should give me better speeds than the paltry 16fps I get out of HandBrake on High Profile doing blu rays.
May 04 23:20:21 <halfhalo> I oh so rarely rip/transcode stuff thats not run through the ati card on my desktop its not worth it for me to upgrade anything purely for the sake of ripping
May 04 23:20:36 * halfhalo is getting 18fps average right now in handbrake
May 04 23:20:50 <Hendikins> What profile though?
May 04 23:21:18 * Hendikins can give his frame rates a decent bump by using Normal rather than High Profile.
May 04 23:21:24 <ryanwatkins> h264 w/ hardware acceleration is great.  w/o it sucks -- see flash video on a mac.
May 04 23:21:39 <halfhalo> custom one based off of high profile with a target file size of 2GB
May 04 23:21:55 <Hendikins> I'd be curious to see what I get with that profile.
May 04 23:21:56 <ryanwatkins> apple says - "no hardware acceleration for you!"
May 04 23:22:08 <halfhalo> doesn't hurt its using the ssd as cache right now either
May 04 23:22:13 <SineOt> I thought 10.1 had hardware accell now?
May 04 23:22:13 <Hendikins> Probably higher than the 16 I get at the moment.
May 04 23:22:21 <halfhalo> annddd.... it crashed
May 04 23:22:47 <Hendikins> halfhalo: The Opteron box has 16 gig of RAM that can be used for caching stuff. :P
May 04 23:23:30 <SineOt> Actually, yeah, it does. 10.1 Gala does hardware acceleration on OSX, ryanwatkins
May 04 23:23:33 <ryanwatkins> i think the answer to that is .. sorta.  depends on the frame size and scaling and such.
May 04 23:23:36 * halfhalo loves how his core voltage in bios has no relation to what it actually is at all
May 04 23:24:04 * madnificent looks disappointed to his pre and heads to bed
May 04 23:24:15 * Hendikins might try dumping a DVD on ramdisk and encoding that, just to see what sorts of speeds he gets compared to just reading it from disc.
May 04 23:24:45 <halfhalo> hmmm.... only handbrakes gui crashed... interesting
May 04 23:28:11 <Draecos> sineot, can back that up. using it on here (mac) atm
May 04 23:28:45 <Hendikins> I thought Jobs Almighty hated Flash? I'm surprised it even runs on a Mac at all.
May 04 23:31:24 <ryanwatkins> they have a hard time banning it completely since its been there for ages, but they can just make it suck, particularly when compared to the advances on windows.
May 04 23:32:08 <Hendikins> Easy way to ban it, just make MacOS X 10.7 a version of the iPhone OS...
May 04 23:32:37 <ryanwatkins> half way there already.
May 04 23:33:03 <halfhalo> guuu...  650 dollars to update my desktop... how about... no.
May 04 23:33:48 <Hendikins> I can see 10.8 being the "Taking the personal out of personal computer" release.
May 04 23:39:07 * halfhalo refuses to upgrade his desktop until he finds a mobo with feature parity to his current one thats not a bajilion dollars
May 04 23:43:29 <Tibfib> sugardave: big congrats!
May 04 23:43:58 <halfhalo> yeah, nice!
May 04 23:44:20 <sugardave> thanks!
May 04 23:44:26 <sugardave> whew
May 04 23:45:43 * oil hopes sugardave never utters the words "in the coming months"
May 04 23:45:53 <dohtem> sugardave: you got in?
May 04 23:45:56 <sugardave> only ironically :)
May 04 23:45:59 <sugardave> dohtem: yep!
May 04 23:46:05 <dohtem> yay! congrats man.
May 04 23:46:08 <sugardave> thanks!
May 04 23:48:09 <Tibfib_> "in the coming 4-week periods"
May 04 23:49:54 <Loudergood> jeez they're paying off all the influential people in the community ;)
May 04 23:50:49 <dohtem> pssh, sugardave had no influence!
May 04 23:50:58 <dohtem> :)
May 04 23:51:13 <Loudergood> so just the people that talk alot?
May 04 23:51:49 <halfhalo> no, since if that were the case alot more people would be hired right now
May 04 23:52:08 <Tibfib> like rod
May 04 23:52:11 * oil wants his pay off
May 04 23:52:17 * halfhalo does to
May 04 23:52:22 * Tibfib does three
May 04 23:52:26 <oil> lol
May 04 23:52:28 <Loudergood> haha of course
May 04 23:52:42 <Loudergood> I hear Adora only pays in chocolate though
May 04 23:52:44 <haeffb> sugar f'in dave!!!!
May 04 23:52:47 <Tibfib> or gum
May 04 23:52:51 <sugardave> haeffb!  woohoo!
May 04 23:53:00 <haeffb> very awesome
May 04 23:53:07 <sugardave> yeah, it's going to be cool
May 04 23:53:08 <dohtem> sugardave: will you move?
May 04 23:53:17 <sugardave> no!  that's the awesomest part!
May 04 23:53:21 * haeffb looking for a job...
May 04 23:53:24 <dohtem> nice
May 04 23:53:29 <sugardave> well, we will move at some point, but not required for the job
May 04 23:53:36 <haeffb> since I heard officially today that my office is closing.
May 04 23:53:38 <sugardave> haeffb: oh no, still closing your ofice?
May 04 23:53:40 <sugardave> lame
May 04 23:53:45 <Tibfib> aww, that sucks
May 04 23:53:55 <Tibfib> haeffb: might as well apply for SWAT team
May 04 23:53:55 <haeffb> yeah it sucks.
May 04 23:54:08 <Tibfib> if that's something you want to do, of course
May 04 23:54:10 * haeffb has no education or experience....
May 04 23:54:20 <haeffb> related to CS
May 04 23:54:24 <Tibfib> heh
May 04 23:54:28 <Tibfib> big difference
May 04 23:54:32 <haeffb> other than "here's some apps I wrote"
May 04 23:54:41 <haeffb> "hire me"
May 04 23:55:01 <sugardave> excuse me, that's my MO
May 04 23:55:01 <Tibfib> sugardave: do you have CS experience? I know you taught/teach a class
May 04 23:55:03 * haeffb is good at drinking beer, though...
May 04 23:55:04 <dohtem> haha
May 04 23:55:29 <sugardave> I went to school to get a CS degree but never even got past my 2nd semester
May 04 23:55:30 <dohtem> haeffb: dont sell yourself short.  Beer is terrific!
May 04 23:55:41 <Tibfib> sugardave: ah, interesting
May 04 23:55:57 <sugardave> so, all my experience is tech support, network admin, and now Mojo :P
May 04 23:56:04 <dohtem> what does SWAT stand for?
May 04 23:56:05 <Tibfib> haeffb: I think you could get it. as long as you are not scarier in person
May 04 23:56:07 <sugardave> oh and education, right
May 04 23:56:13 <Tibfib> Super webOS Awesome Team
May 04 23:56:15 <haeffb> if HP needs any roads built, I'm their guy
May 04 23:56:21 <dohtem> Tibfib: really?
May 04 23:56:22 <sugardave> dohtem: good question, I like Tibfib's
May 04 23:57:33 <haeffb> Tibfib: I am very scarier in person.
May 04 23:57:49 <Tibfib> lol
May 04 23:58:10 <Tibfib> hopefully good grammar isn't part of the job requirements
May 04 23:58:23 <dohtem> haha
May 04 23:58:25 <sugardave> heh
May 04 23:58:35 <sugardave> beer grammar is sufficient
May 04 23:59:18 <sugardave> now just gotta slog through some days at soon-to-be-old job.  boooooo
May 04 23:59:28 <Tibfib> ah, told them yet?
May 04 23:59:36 <haeffb> I subscribe to the South Park "look more closelier" form of grammar...
May 04 23:59:56 <haeffb> sugardave: don't tell them and draw two paychecks.
May 04 23:59:59 * NuttyBunny mentions "Zacky59", waits for rwhitby 's reaction ;)
May 05 00:00:00 <sugardave> Tibfib: yeah, I told my manager this morning.  He took it pretty well
May 05 00:00:05 <haeffb> until they figure out that you're not there anymore.
May 05 00:00:15 <sugardave> haeffb: hmmm, I'm intrigued
May 05 00:00:17 <dohtem> haeffb: and pay a ton of taxes
May 05 00:00:33 <Tibfib> sugardave: that's good
May 05 00:00:36 <haeffb> dohtem: yeah, but that's your duty as a citizen
May 05 00:00:49 <dohtem> wait? Everybody has to pay?
May 05 00:00:54 <dohtem> Oh shit
May 05 00:00:58 <sugardave> "While I'm here writing this app for you, how about I give you some TAM E-SSO training?  No?  Okay."
May 05 00:01:02 <haeffb> I wouldn't mind paying $5million in taxes if I made $10million a year...
May 05 00:01:03 * Tibfib thought that was optional
May 05 00:01:20 <sugardave> haeffb: agreed
May 05 00:02:15 <haeffb> Thin Lizzy's Jailbreak on Classic Vinyl in Nerdvana right now...
May 05 00:02:47 <haeffb> "Tonight there's gonna be trouble..."
May 05 00:03:35 <Tibfib> "Super webOS Attack Team".
May 05 00:03:35 <sugardave> haven't heard that in a while
May 05 00:05:18 <haeffb> if you missed it yesterday, this is a Ted talk worth watching:  http://www.ted.com/talks/sam_richards_a_radical_experiment_in_empathy.html
May 05 00:05:32 <Popple3> Anyone having issues with the dev portal at the moment? Trying to update an app, but I keep getting licked back to the My Apps main page
May 05 00:05:48 <haeffb> Who: Pinball Wizard
May 05 00:05:59 * haeffb gotta get Amazon MP3 up and running
May 05 00:06:28 <Popple3> ah, there we go, logged out and back in again
May 05 00:10:33 <haeffb> Foghat: Fool for the City
May 05 00:10:40 <haeffb> not a bad three-song run
May 05 00:22:32 <leiru> grats sugardave
May 05 00:25:33 <haeffb> Rhiannon
May 05 00:26:27 <haeffb> Stevie Nicks ftw
May 05 00:27:40 <Tibfib> ooh baby ooh baby ooooo
May 05 00:41:52 <rwhitby> sugardave: what's the job?
May 05 00:45:18 <leiru> good nite
May 05 00:46:44 <Tibfib> geo-restriction captain
May 05 00:46:57 <sugardave> leiru: thanks!
May 05 00:48:24 <sugardave> rwhitby: it's the webOS SWAT team.  I'll be writing webOS apps for partners that don't have the resources (or desire to obtain them) to do it themselves.  Interface with their devs and whoever else to get it done.
May 05 00:48:40 <haeffb> sugardave: call Mint today.
May 05 00:49:00 * sugardave makes notes.
May 05 00:49:03 <haeffb> or in two weeks or whenever you start
May 05 00:49:07 * oil makes list
May 05 00:50:02 <dohtem> then Speedtest
May 05 00:50:11 <haeffb> speedtest?
May 05 00:50:24 <sugardave> can't you just go there in the browser? :P
May 05 00:50:34 <dohtem> and use Flash?
May 05 00:50:35 <rwhitby> sugardave: nice one on the swat team.
May 05 00:50:48 <sugardave> rwhitby: thanks!  I've been working hard to get it :)
May 05 00:51:03 <rwhitby> sugardave: do you get a TouchPad on the first day?
May 05 00:51:15 <oil> if writing apps was my day job, writing apps would no longer be fun :/
May 05 00:51:16 <haeffb> "working hard" === "sitting at home waiting for finance to get off their butts"
May 05 00:51:29 <Tibfib> oil: you think so?
May 05 00:51:29 <sugardave> rwhitby: I hope so!  More likely a week or so after because I gotta get all HP-ified
May 05 00:51:38 * halfhalo wouldn't mind writing node stuff all day
May 05 00:51:39 <sugardave> haeffb: hehe
May 05 00:52:17 <oil> whenever i've tried to turn a hobby into a job i've lose all interest
May 05 00:52:24 * oil is just broken like that though
May 05 00:52:26 <Tibfib> hmm, that's too bad
May 05 00:52:32 <sugardave> rwhitby: or maybe they'll make me do it all with no TouchPad...that would be horrible :P
May 05 00:52:43 <haeffb> emu!
May 05 00:52:43 <Tibfib> I can see myself working on mobile apps/os as a dayjob
May 05 00:53:12 <rwhitby> oil: same. for it to be a hobby, you have to be able to say "stuff that, I'm doing something else today"
May 05 00:53:17 <haeffb> I can see myself drinking tropical drinks on an island as a dayjob
May 05 00:53:32 <oil> and besides, if i went to hp, who would write preware/govnah/etc?
May 05 00:53:38 <sugardave> oil: for me, I think it's going to be fun because each time will be a new app
May 05 00:53:44 <haeffb> patrickPre2
May 05 00:53:47 <sugardave> new problems, etc.
May 05 00:53:52 <rwhitby> oil: zacky59 of course
May 05 00:53:57 <sugardave> hahaha
May 05 00:54:02 * Tibfib missed the whole zacky59 thing
May 05 00:54:12 <Tibfib> is it in the logs?
May 05 00:54:12 * oil doesnt get zacky59 reference either
May 05 00:54:14 <Tibfib> what channel, when?
May 05 00:54:16 <rwhitby> that dude sent me a PM telling me to F off :)
May 05 00:54:19 <haeffb> what's a zacky59?
May 05 00:54:25 <Tibfib> rwhitby: hahaah nice
May 05 00:54:34 <haeffb> well, to be fair, who hasn't?
May 05 00:54:36 <rwhitby> oil: pixie 2.1 thread of Nutty's
May 05 00:54:41 <sugardave> he's the one that convinced Patrick that 2.2 was coming out on Sprint this past Monday
May 05 00:54:52 <Tibfib> lol
May 05 00:54:57 <rwhitby> oil: he made up some rumour about the Sprint CEO office calling him and saying 2.2 was coming out
May 05 00:55:02 <oil> not that convincing patrick is hard :)
May 05 00:55:05 <haeffb> oops. haeffb sends rwhitby a PM
May 05 00:55:07 <halfhalo> lol
May 05 00:55:24 <oil> lol
May 05 00:55:28 <Hendikins> This place sounds like the railway. If you haven't heard a rumour by 0900, start one.
May 05 00:56:01 <Tibfib> NEW PHONE IN SEPTEMBER. HP Gizmo. 4.5inch slab. running webos 4.0
May 05 00:56:04 <rwhitby> oil: according to zcky, 2.2 for Pre-, Pixi, Veer and Pre 3 would all come out on Sprint two days ago.
May 05 00:56:04 <dohtem> what's changed in the new HP developer agreement?
May 05 00:56:15 <oil> lol
May 05 00:56:40 <rwhitby> oil: and he even fabricated a customer service chat record to support his made up rumour
May 05 00:56:53 <oil> is this all somewhere on the internets i can read?
May 05 00:56:53 <rwhitby> (as if customer service chats have any credence anyway)
May 05 00:56:55 <sugardave> that's dedication,m right there
May 05 00:57:24 <rwhitby> oil: I think NNNeeewwwmmmaaannn removed most of the posts, but look in Nutty's 2.1 on Pixi threads.
May 05 00:58:51 <rwhitby> oh, did anyone beta test Preware 1.5.9 ?
May 05 00:58:58 * Tibfib dls
May 05 00:59:06 <oil> lol
May 05 00:59:19 <oil> i dont suggest releasing a new preware
May 05 00:59:25 <oil> i never finished the just-type stuff
May 05 00:59:30 <Tibfib> oh hahah
May 05 00:59:43 <oil> whats there only works when preware is already open
May 05 01:00:02 <oil> there was some problem whenever i was doing it that i dont remember right now
May 05 01:00:07 <oil> but it stoped it from working when its not open
May 05 01:00:19 <Tibfib> I'm impressed you actually started implementing it :P
May 05 01:00:21 <oil> something about the location field for downloading
May 05 01:00:27 <rwhitby> oil: turns out that control files larger than 4Kb were causing most of the parse errors
May 05 01:00:44 <oil> normally being hte feed url when its loaded
May 05 01:00:52 <oil> but those out-of-feed loads dont have that
May 05 01:00:56 <oil> and have no location url
May 05 01:01:10 <oil> if you are going to release something
May 05 01:01:26 <oil> i suggest commenting all the just-type database creating stuff tibfib implemented
May 05 01:01:36 <oil> so its not created then not work
May 05 01:01:39 * Tibfib pouts
May 05 01:01:53 <oil> :/
May 05 01:03:26 * halfhalo lulz
May 05 01:03:42 <sugardave> oops
May 05 01:03:42 <rwhitby> oil: not intending to release outside of testing feed
May 05 01:03:56 <rwhitby> but 1.5.9 has whatever is in there now
May 05 01:04:47 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, if the feed URL is not available, and the package doesn't have a location field in the Source line, then it wouldn't know where to download it from
May 05 01:04:50 <oil> yeah, then 1.5.9 is broken :)
May 05 01:05:11 <oil> yeah, it doesnt know the feed, it just says "service, tell me the info for package x"
May 05 01:05:12 <rwhitby> oil: well, it has an unannounced feature which is not complete yet :)
May 05 01:05:15 <oil> it has no clue about the feed
May 05 01:05:29 <oil> well, i dont deal with the end-users as much as you
May 05 01:05:42 <oil> im just trying to save you some headaches when people find it and complain :)
May 05 01:06:00 <rwhitby> oil: so the service will know which config file it came from, so I'd need you to reverse that config file into a feed URL
May 05 01:06:01 <sugardave> 16 new followers since my announcement, that's hilarious!
May 05 01:06:12 <rwhitby> (based on the URL->config file data)
May 05 01:06:13 <Tibfib> well, now you're relevant
May 05 01:06:19 <oil> heh
May 05 01:06:35 <Tibfib> oil: dang, the just type is pretty cool
May 05 01:06:36 <sugardave> haha
May 05 01:06:37 <oil> rwhitby: yeah, the single-pacakge info method will need to return the url
May 05 01:06:51 <oil> so it can create a location url for it
May 05 01:07:01 <rwhitby> oil: the service doesn't know the URL, the app does.
May 05 01:07:29 <oil> ehh
May 05 01:07:38 <oil> i dont think the single-load is touching feed data
May 05 01:07:43 <oil> so, it doesnt
May 05 01:07:47 <oil> itl have to get it from the service
May 05 01:08:06 <oil> anyways, bbl :)
May 05 01:08:08 <rwhitby> oil: the mapping of URLs to package files is in the app
May 05 01:08:24 <rwhitby> the app tells the service which URL to put into which package file in the cache
May 05 01:08:38 <rwhitby> the service does not have any record of that mapping
May 05 01:09:07 <rwhitby> so a single load will need to read the config files at least, and when giving a config filename back by the service, reverse that into a URL
May 05 01:09:17 <rwhitby> s/giving/given/
May 05 01:09:50 <rwhitby> we need to re-do the config file and packages file handling anyway, to parallelise them.
May 05 01:10:15 <rwhitby> since you could be downloading the next packages file while parsing the previous
May 05 01:32:51 * halfhalo melts in his room
May 05 01:33:03 <halfhalo> its 94F in here... gah
May 05 01:35:54 <funkatron> tibfib, what jive about a new phone are you talkin?
May 05 01:36:31 <Tibfib> just something this super credible hobo down the street told me
May 05 01:37:08 <funkatron> mmm… seems reasonable
May 05 01:41:01 <rwhitby> more credible than the Sprint 2.2 rumour at least
May 05 01:41:30 <SineOt> Huh! HP showed off the MetaWatch concept at one of their press events. Wonder if it'll see webOS support at some point in the future.
May 05 01:42:13 <funkatron> is that a Dick Tracy watch?
May 05 01:42:15 * sugardave doesn't say anything.
May 05 01:42:41 <SineOt> Nah, it's Fossils smart watch concept/design. http://www.metawatch.org/
May 05 01:42:58 <haeffb> you're not one of them yet...keep talkin...
May 05 01:43:07 <SineOt> Instead of running apps on the watch it basically gives you a second screen that receives data/app updates from a connected bluetooth device.
May 05 01:43:18 <ctbeiser> I really want one.
May 05 01:43:31 <ctbeiser> It's basically guaranteed webOS support.
May 05 01:43:48 <SineOt> Moving all the processing off the watch and to your smartphone seems like a smart move.
May 05 01:44:07 <SineOt> It also helps that it's Fossil doing it so they aren't eye meltingly ugly.
May 05 01:44:30 <ctbeiser> Also, I love the idea of a Revolution on my wrist.
May 05 01:45:18 <ctbeiser> But for a notification watch, $200 is too much.
May 05 01:45:24 <ctbeiser> $100 is the sweet spot.
May 05 01:45:32 * rwhitby hasn't worn a watch for 15 years at least
May 05 01:45:53 * halfhalo has worn a watch constantly for the last 10 years
May 05 01:46:16 <ctbeiser> I've worn a watch constantly since the first time I got one.
May 05 01:46:28 * Hendikins finds wrist watches irritating, uses a mechanical pocket watch instead.
May 05 01:46:29 <SineOt> Eh, for a notification enabled rechargeable watch? Especially a Fossil one? Yeah, I'd do 200$
May 05 01:46:38 * SineOt wears a 150$ Fossil watch. Cough.
May 05 01:46:58 <ctbeiser> I don't take my watch off, it just stays on my wrist 100% of the time, which makes rechargables troublesome...
May 05 01:47:15 <oil> do you have a monocle to go with your pocket watch?
May 05 01:47:20 <ctbeiser> I've currently got a casio wrist remote controller with a calculator.
May 05 01:47:37 * halfhalo would never spend 200 on a digital watch.  ever
May 05 01:47:46 * oil has used his cell phone as a watch as long as he has had one
May 05 01:47:51 * SineOt would!
May 05 01:48:02 <halfhalo> not when there is the 25 dollar unbreakable timex watch's around
May 05 01:48:03 <SineOt> At least Fossil backs their watches with a pretty heavy warranty.
May 05 01:48:16 <Hendikins> I would, however, prefer a watch to a tie.
May 05 01:48:48 * halfhalo is currently rocking a sector dive watch after breaking like 3 swiss army watches in a row
May 05 01:49:34 <halfhalo> flip flops, watches, and sunglasses are the three main apparel items I will shell out the big bucks for without any hesitation
May 05 01:50:16 <sugardave> I love watches.  I would love to have an awesome webOS watch from Fossil.
May 05 01:50:40 <ctbeiser> I got really hyped about the webos watch and put together an unrealistic mockup when I first heard about the idea.
May 05 01:50:41 * halfhalo is totally going omega for his next watch
May 05 01:50:54 <oil> video phone watch?
May 05 01:51:11 <SineOt> Who knows, maybe the MetaWatch is what spurred the webOS watch ideas.
May 05 01:51:18 <sugardave> it needs a projector
May 05 01:51:45 <halfhalo> http://www.amazon.com/Omega-3570-50-00-Speedmaster-Professional-Chronograph/dp/B000EJPDOK/ref=sr_1_1?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1304560204&sr=1-1 waaaaaant
May 05 01:52:09 <ctbeiser> It has an accelerometer (!)
May 05 01:52:27 <oil> for that price it better tell me a lot more then the time
May 05 01:52:35 <ctbeiser> halfhalo: Is it just me, or does that look like every other high end watch that exists?
May 05 01:52:35 <oil> and wipe my ass
May 05 01:53:04 <halfhalo> ctbeiser: inthe same vein.  But way, way understated compared to most others
May 05 01:53:44 <SineOt> It's an Omega though, it's probably what a lot of the other high end watches are based off of. :p
May 05 01:53:49 <ctbeiser> I'm going to do something where I ask people to guess the prices of watches from pictures with the logos taken out, and see if there's any correlation...
May 05 01:54:27 <ctbeiser> http://www.amazon.com/Casio-Techmowear-Control-Digital-CMD40B-1T/dp/B0000B19R0/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304560369&sr=1-1-catcorr
May 05 01:54:31 <ctbeiser> See that john?
May 05 01:54:49 <ctbeiser> I use it to control people's macs via frontrow and they freak out.
May 05 01:55:24 <halfhalo> http://www.amazon.com/Timex-T5E231-Ironman-100-Lap-System/dp/B00093CZV0/ref=sr_1_5?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1304560412&sr=1-5 the ONLY digital watch I would ever wear.  And even then, there had better be a damn good reason for it
May 05 01:55:40 <ctbeiser> My that is ugly.
May 05 01:55:43 <SineOt> Oh man that is an ugly, ugly, url watch ctbeiser
May 05 01:56:04 <oil> lol @ 4:20pm
May 05 01:56:13 <halfhalo> (its much, much thinner than it looks.  think 3 quarters thick)
May 05 01:56:37 <ctbeiser> SineOT: It looks quite a bit better in person, even if it's almost as big as an oreo.
May 05 01:56:43 <halfhalo> and they do not break.  And when the battery runs out you just get another which will last for 2 years.  because they are that invincible
May 05 01:56:47 <oil> http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2884/p1180248eq7.jpg
May 05 01:57:41 <halfhalo> currently rocking the silver version of http://www.amazon.com/Sector-R3273670125-Collection-Chronograph-Ion-Plated/dp/B000ZBFAJU/ref=sr_1_7?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1304560557&sr=1-7
May 05 01:58:58 <ctbeiser> I've always wanted the Frank Gehry reversible positive/negative watch..
May 05 02:08:44 * halfhalo wants new flipflops now
May 05 02:10:52 <SineOt> It's a pain to find the flip flops I like. :C
May 05 02:11:06 <SineOt> They're Brazilian.
May 05 02:15:16 <halfhalo> whenever I go flipflop shopping I usually get two pairs at once
May 05 02:15:57 <halfhalo> one decent leather or rubber pair for water/beach/etc (usually only last one summer), then another really really nice leather pair for the rest of the year
May 05 02:16:34 <SineOt> These lasted me probably two years. They weren't foam, or anything, but this kind of weird ultra dense PVC rubber/plastic. It's hard to describe.
May 05 02:17:10 <halfhalo> and I could care less about brand.  But I will say this, I have only been hit by sticker shock once with a 200 dollar pair that felt like a 30 dollar pair
May 05 02:17:40 <SineOt> Yeeooouch.
May 05 02:18:16 <halfhalo> yeah.  I mean, I;m willing to spend 200 on a nice pair that will last a few years, but not those.  just... no
May 05 02:21:29 <Loudergood> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/04/flexible-paperphone-wants-to-get-bent-out-of-shape-video/
May 05 02:21:41 <halfhalo> http://www.amazon.com/Citizen-Eco-Drive-Stainless-Bracelet-CB0020-50E/dp/B0045TI0UO/ref=sr_1_35?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1304561928&sr=1-35 not gonna lie, thats a really nice looking watch
May 05 02:25:44 * halfhalo wonders if they make that watch with the dual luminosity stuff and 300m water resistance.. if so, he shall buy it soon
May 05 02:40:33 <SineOt> I want to see HP/Palm build F.lux into new devices. That would be killer
May 05 02:43:24 <ctbeiser> I never liked it so much… Never got the hype.
May 05 02:44:37 <SineOt> did you have your monitor calibrated, ctbeiser? :p
May 05 02:45:16 <ctbeiser> I've got two monitors, both calibrated.
May 05 02:45:42 <SineOt> and you didn't like flux?
May 05 02:46:42 <ctbeiser> I never can get them to stay quite the same though, and furthermore, I got pissed at it because I use a combination of fluorescent and incandescent lighting to get a certain color of light I like more, but it's not right.
May 05 02:47:47 <SineOt> ah, yeah the mix of lighting in the room would probably make it a whole lot harder to get it to comfortably match
May 05 02:49:39 <ctbeiser> And also the light goes through two different slightly different colored glass panes,one whiteish, one yellowy, and so I have a maximum of five different light sources, with the sun, which is sometimes different colors based on the clouds...
May 05 02:50:46 <ctbeiser> Waitaminute… why doesn't flux decide color based on the webcam?
May 05 02:50:48 <SineOt> at the least, flux shouldn't be running when the sun up :p
May 05 02:52:47 <ctbeiser> It gradually changes though, doesn't it?
May 05 02:53:31 <SineOt> normally in the hour after sunset, yeah
May 05 02:54:01 <ctbeiser> Okay, I've had it on for five minutes and it might have to take it's place in my menu bar, perfect color reproduction aside.
May 05 02:54:28 <SineOt> at least on OSX you get your choice between length of time it takes to shift
May 05 02:54:36 <SineOt> I use the hour shift because you don't really notice it
May 05 02:55:23 <ctbeiser> http://cl.ly/6Vnn
May 05 02:55:34 <ctbeiser> I think I have a problem.
May 05 02:55:56 <SineOt> ahaha
May 05 02:56:30 <ctbeiser> That said, I'm reminded that there's really no reason to have bluetooth there, so I guess that's going to go.
May 05 02:56:36 <SineOt> control-option-command-8
May 05 02:56:55 <ctbeiser> Ohnonono.
May 05 02:56:55 <SineOt> well, no reason to have Growl either, is there? :p
May 05 02:57:21 <derby> Hellooo high contrast
May 05 02:57:24 <ctbeiser> See that thing that looks like an eclipse? That's nocturne, which I use to invert my menu bar.
May 05 02:57:53 <ctbeiser> It also dims it while my mouse isn't on it, and corrects the colors, so blues are blues, but blacks are whites.
May 05 02:58:22 * halfhalo is still melting... its 90.5F in his room atm
May 05 02:58:27 <SineOt> that's what I figured, I've used Nocturne before but didn't recognize the new menu bar icon
May 05 02:58:35 <dwc-> I like nocturne
May 05 02:58:39 <dwc-> the b/w mode is great at night
May 05 02:58:41 <ctbeiser> Also, I sometimes need to turn off growl, when someone walks into my room, and I'm chatting with someone.
May 05 02:58:52 * halfhalo doesn't use any of that stuff.
May 05 02:59:10 <ctbeiser> I use the inverted mode when notetaking in class while the lights are down for a movie or something so people don't glare at me for it.
May 05 02:59:37 * haeffb can't find the sandals that I liked best
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