**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 09 02:59:58 2011
May 09 03:01:35 <madnificent> halfhalo: where?
May 09 03:02:28 <halfhalo> near la
May 09 03:02:34 <halfhalo> 57F
May 09 03:02:43 <Loudergood> lol
May 09 03:04:47 * halfhalo has flipflops on dammi
May 09 03:05:15 <halfhalo> my feeeeeeeet are cooooooooooold
May 09 03:05:26 <Loudergood> I did today too for once
May 09 03:05:37 <Loudergood> it was 62 so I was kind of hot
May 09 03:06:04 * halfhalo considers 70 cold
May 09 03:06:22 <halfhalo> this is socal dammit
May 09 03:30:22 <Tomit12> I've been going through all the W3schools stuff, learning JS and CSS, etc
May 09 03:30:47 <Tomit12> been doing HTML5, but I wanted to ask, should I be doing 5 or learning the older HTML for now?
May 09 03:32:03 <Tomit12> don't want to get too into it and end up with stuff rattling around in my head that just causes confusion for the present
May 09 03:38:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey all
May 09 05:37:03 <summatusmentis> so, something really unsettling just happened
May 09 05:37:31 <summatusmentis> I piece of ribbon connector, maybe 3/4" long, fell out of my pre
May 09 05:37:48 <summatusmentis> it's probably a little bit less than 1/2" wide
May 09 05:44:38 <oil_pre> lol
May 09 05:58:03 <SineOt> huh, cool. That HP Datapass thing is kind of cool
May 09 05:59:55 <SineOt> Also interesting: The fact that HP is now basically a Sprint MVNO. Not a long stretch to see that being the first step towards new webOS hardware
May 09 06:04:42 <Hendikins> Well, I certainly get some interesting reactions when I tell people I'm looking at snapping up a Veer.
May 09 06:05:27 <SineOt> I realized that the Veer is basically the right size to fit in a coin pocket in pants
May 09 06:05:33 <SineOt> which would be awesome
May 09 06:06:30 <Hendikins> I think the mere idea of a small smartphone has people intrigued.
May 09 06:06:58 <SineOt> and not just small, but decently packed performance wise
May 09 06:07:42 <Hendikins> Well, mainly the small part.
May 09 06:08:27 <Hendikins> I asked my mate at Google about running Android on something with the specs of say, a Pre Plus. He laughed.
May 09 06:08:52 <SineOt> Hah, why?
May 09 06:09:13 <SineOt> The Pre Plus has more punch to it than stuff like the G1 did.
May 09 06:09:31 <Hendikins> He reckons current Android would be next to useless on something like that.
May 09 06:10:16 <Hendikins> Or at the least, not as usable as WebOS is.
May 09 06:11:19 <SineOt> That's kind of sad.
May 09 06:11:36 <SineOt> Well, really sad rather.
May 09 06:11:44 <Tomit12> no hard buttons would be interesting with android on a pre
May 09 06:12:09 <ajay> who was i chatting with about skype earlier?  yeah I have 2.2 installed (if you're here)
May 09 06:13:01 <Hendikins> SineOt: The Veer would be utterly anemic if it ran Android. But it doesn't. The joys of people zeroing in on things like clock speed rather than performance.
May 09 06:13:49 <ajay> i don't have any context, but i can't see how the veer would be anemic w/ android..
May 09 06:14:29 <SineOt> I think if anything that's just showing how terribly optimized Android has gotten.
May 09 06:15:01 <Hendikins> Oh it is a criticism of Android and not the Veer, believe me.
May 09 06:15:19 <Tomit12> hardware diversity has to hurt somewhere I guess
May 09 06:15:28 <Hendikins> I shouldn't need a 1.4GHz dual core CPU in a phone for it to be responsive.
May 09 06:15:33 <SineOt> yeah
May 09 06:16:26 <Tomit12> I had a moto atrix and they still found a way to make it not smooth
May 09 06:17:11 <Tomit12> 2 cores and a gig of ram and it is still sluggish in normal UI tasks
May 09 06:17:26 <SineOt> To be fair the Atrix apparently has a ton of issues
May 09 06:17:37 <SineOt> and probably because they did so much to it to get the laptop docking mode working
May 09 06:17:50 <SineOt> I kind of expect the Echo to be in the same boat with a ton of issues
May 09 06:18:06 <SineOt> just because they have to break it and screw the thing like crazy to get it to do what they want it to
May 09 06:18:10 <Tomit12> probably right
May 09 06:18:15 <Tomit12> I had the lapdock...briefly
May 09 06:18:50 <SineOt> It seems like a cool idea but after playing with it a bit it seems kind of half baked to say the least
May 09 06:18:59 <Tomit12> oh yeah
May 09 06:19:27 <Tomit12> sluggish and very limited in use
May 09 06:19:48 <SineOt> I want to see the EEE Pad Transformer with its keyboard dock because it seems like a pretty cool idea and better implimented to boot
May 09 06:19:53 <Tomit12> I know they got ubuntu mostly running on it, but I never got to see if a straight linux distro helped
May 09 06:20:48 <Hendikins> My issue with tablets is that I just don't see the point if it can't replace my smartphone and laptop.
May 09 06:20:57 <Tomit12> The transformer looks good, but I've heard finding one might be tough for a while :D\
May 09 06:22:05 <SineOt> Oh yeah for sure, which is way too bad. It sounds like the best option right now in terms of tablets
May 09 06:22:54 <SineOt> I don't think that a tablet will ever really be a replacement for a smartphone, since a smartphone is y'know, the tiny portable device
May 09 06:22:57 <ajay> Yeah I think it's a super HOT idea, but .. implementation i hear lags.. (Sorry for the delayed response, was swapping to shit and had to logout.. wonder why that happens)
May 09 06:23:16 <SineOt> and a tablet that was as portable as a smartphone would be, well, a smartphone
May 09 06:23:22 * ajay is looking forward to putting a touchpad to his ear to make calls.. yea yeaaaaaaaaaaA!
May 09 06:23:40 <Hendikins> SineOt: But why can't I use a Bluetooth headset and voice dial to make calls with a tablet?
May 09 06:23:50 <SineOt> The Transformer is at least making it easy to do a device that blends tablet and laptop
May 09 06:25:04 <SineOt> Hendikins: no real reason, other than it'd be annoying to carry around just for voice calls
May 09 06:25:21 * ajay thinks his vibrate mechanism just worked for the first time in 5+ months.. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
May 09 06:26:31 <Tomit12> this HTML isn't too bad...been putting it off forever figuring it would be too complicated
May 09 06:27:18 <Tomit12> I just hope I don't learn all this stuff and then they change everything in 3.0 :p
May 09 06:28:39 <SineOt> oh boy :p
May 09 06:28:54 <Hendikins> SineOt: But if I only wanted to make voice calls, I'd carry a phone.
May 09 06:29:11 <ajay> I installed my first phantom skinz cover.. the matte looks interesting
May 09 06:29:22 <Tomit12> yeah, beginning developer...but I like webos so much I want to make apps for it
May 09 06:30:13 <SineOt> so you'd rather carry a 10 inch device to make voice calls, etc with, rather than just have a smartphone that can go anywhere and a tablet for when you need larger?
May 09 06:30:58 <Tomit12> get one of those velcro lower back packs for it :p
May 09 06:32:22 <Hendikins> SineOt: My laptop goes with me everywhere anyway
May 09 06:32:41 <Hendikins> So if I could replace the laptop + phone combination with a tablet, I'd consider it.
May 09 06:33:12 <SineOt> to me, the tablet is more of a laptop replacement that won't replace a smartphone but instead augment it
May 09 06:33:44 <Hendikins> If I look at it that way, I might as well just stick to laptop + phone.
May 09 06:33:45 <SineOt> which is what HP got right with the TouchPad since you can pair it with a Veer/Pre3 and do a lot more than you could otherwise
May 09 06:34:25 <SineOt> instead of just like... iPhone/iPad stuff.
May 09 06:34:29 <ajay> SineOt: could I get you to say Palm instead of HP?  (Give credit where credit is due)
May 09 06:34:43 <Tomit12> yeah, the synergy between devices is what has me excited
May 09 06:34:45 <SineOt> <company name here>
May 09 06:34:55 <ajay> if not no worries, i just don't want to be thanking HP until they produce something.
May 09 06:35:14 <swisstomcat> morning
May 09 06:35:22 <hotdp> Mornings
May 09 06:35:26 <SineOt> they produced it, I've seen it in person, it's just not for sale yet :p
May 09 06:35:36 <Hendikins> Next thing it will be saying "Palm, a HP company"
May 09 06:36:10 <SineOt> I'm way lazy right now and HP saves me two keys :I
May 09 07:00:02 <Codhisattva> TouchPad better be awesome
May 09 07:06:27 <ajay> sineot: s/produce/design .. does that help? ;^)
May 09 11:35:44 <kaans> Hi, does anyone have experience with weinre, I am having trouble setting it up.
May 09 12:37:39 <phoque_uni> hmm
May 09 12:37:50 <phoque_uni> I enabled developer mode on the Pre 2
May 09 12:37:55 <phoque_uni> but novaterm can't find the device
May 09 12:40:38 <phoque_uni> novaterm -V gives me "novacom-16"
May 09 12:44:09 <phoque_uni> ah, it seems to be working now
May 09 12:44:36 <phoque_uni> on novacom-17
May 09 12:44:46 <phoque_uni> hopefullly that won't break compatibility with the Pre-
May 09 14:32:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> morning all
May 09 14:32:35 <hotdp> hi PatrickC
May 09 14:32:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> hey hotdp
May 09 14:35:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> you liking nDrive?
May 09 14:36:06 * cwayne1 wish my pre2 worked in budapest
May 09 14:36:48 <hotdp> PatrickC_Pre2: its ok
May 09 14:37:01 <hotdp> But last time i used it, it was "behind"
May 09 14:37:10 <hotdp> kind of bad :D
May 09 14:37:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> behind how?
May 09 14:37:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> did you report it in the forum?
May 09 14:38:26 <hotdp> Like the road it said i was on was not the right one
May 09 14:38:37 <hotdp> like it was some seconds behind my actual position
May 09 14:40:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
May 09 14:40:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would report to the thread
May 09 14:40:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/thread/forum/
May 09 14:42:22 * haeffb has a holiday today!
May 09 14:42:35 <haeffb> Harry S Truman's birthday
May 09 14:44:34 <halfhalo> boom
May 09 14:44:39 * PatrickC_Pre2 has school today . . . :/
May 09 14:44:47 <halfhalo> journery on my car playlist
May 09 14:44:55 <halfhalo> journey*
May 09 14:45:24 <halfhalo> we be going old school up in here
May 09 14:47:03 <halfhalo> everyone loves journey... everyone
May 09 14:47:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> who lol
May 09 14:48:08 <halfhalo> really....
May 09 14:48:11 <cwayne1> are you shitting me
May 09 14:48:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> what genera? rock?
May 09 14:51:12 <halfhalo> someone get this mn some popular culture
May 09 14:51:19 <halfhalo> man*
May 09 14:52:27 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't listen to much besides Christian music
May 09 14:52:58 <halfhalo> wow.... well then
May 09 14:55:44 <halfhalo> I though my music taste was weird but tha takes the cake
May 09 14:58:55 <halfhalo> on the other hand, I do have slipknot and ccr next to each other in my playlist
May 09 15:01:09 * Loudergood continues listening to led zeppelin
May 09 15:01:40 <halfhalo> good man
May 09 15:02:41 * halfhalo has two songs he uses to start off a road trip... thunderstruck and a little less conversation
May 09 15:04:24 <halfhalo> heh
May 09 15:05:35 * halfhalo is weird
May 09 15:06:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ is true :)
May 09 15:07:39 <halfhalo> but not weirdenough to listen to christian music
May 09 15:08:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm a Christian
May 09 15:08:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> so I listen to Christian music
May 09 15:09:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't find it weird at all
May 09 15:11:12 <Loudergood> nah, it's the not listening to much else part
May 09 15:11:25 <halfhalo> listeing to it sometimes is not weird.  only listening to it is.
May 09 15:11:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> I do listen to other stuff, just not a lot
May 09 15:12:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> I used to listen to rock/rap.. but I haven't in forever
May 09 15:12:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I listen to some country
May 09 15:12:58 <phoque_uni> my brother used to listen to worship music
May 09 15:13:06 <phoque_uni> sorry to say it, but that stuff is bad :-)
May 09 15:13:31 <phoque_uni> always the same choir/trying to sound epic scheme
May 09 15:13:34 <phoque_uni> always the same texts
May 09 15:13:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't listen to many choirs
May 09 15:13:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> I listen to groups
May 09 15:14:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> usually trio's/quartet
May 09 15:15:04 <halfhalo> theoretically I was raised christian... heh, that didn't really work out
May 09 15:15:44 <phoque_uni> same here
May 09 15:15:47 <phoque_uni> it's not the "being christian" that I don't like
May 09 15:16:03 <phoque_uni> it's the churches
May 09 15:16:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> what denomination?
May 09 15:16:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> Baptist, Roman Catholic, Prodistant etc.
May 09 15:16:32 <halfhalo> I haven't been in one for churchy stuff in at least 7 years
May 09 15:16:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I'm gonna be a Pastor.. so..
May 09 15:17:17 <phoque_uni> I didn't mean "church" literally
May 09 15:17:19 <phoque_uni> but...
May 09 15:17:21 <phoque_uni> parish?
May 09 15:17:28 <phoque_uni> don't know, I'm German
May 09 15:17:36 * halfhalo has been kicked out of Sunday school before... good times
May 09 15:17:54 <phoque_uni> yeah but... the one I was "close to" was just awful
May 09 15:17:58 <phoque_uni> all this peer pressure
May 09 15:18:15 <phoque_uni> pastor and "high ranking" people giving others the feeling that they're not worth it
May 09 15:18:23 <phoque_uni> that they're "not seeing it"
May 09 15:18:29 <phoque_uni> and "we need to show it to you"
May 09 15:18:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's probably Roman Catholic if I had to guess
May 09 15:18:36 <phoque_uni> no
May 09 15:18:44 <phoque_uni> "Freichristlich"
May 09 15:18:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> really?
May 09 15:18:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> never heard of it
May 09 15:18:52 <phoque_uni> let me google a translation
May 09 15:18:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm an Independent Baptist
May 09 15:19:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> my dad was raised Roman Catholic
May 09 15:19:26 <phoque_uni> it's "more liberal than protestant"
May 09 15:19:33 <phoque_uni> I can't find a proper translation
May 09 15:19:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, my whole family is Independent Baptist now
May 09 15:19:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah
May 09 15:19:52 <phoque_uni> no "proper churchmusic" but worship-pop
May 09 15:20:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> worship-pop =? ccm?
May 09 15:20:23 <phoque_uni> yeah
May 09 15:20:25 <phoque_uni> probably
May 09 15:20:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah . . I listen to some ccm
May 09 15:20:49 <phoque_uni> I find CCM so... pretentious
May 09 15:21:30 <phoque_uni> all they sing about is "god is great"
May 09 15:21:31 <phoque_uni> :-D
May 09 15:21:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> I mostly listen to Southern Gospel
May 09 15:21:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> and God is great
May 09 15:21:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> there's nothing wrong with singing about that :)
May 09 15:23:17 <phoque_uni> yes there is
May 09 15:23:24 <phoque_uni> when there are hundreds of people singing it
May 09 15:23:39 <phoque_uni> it washes out the message
May 09 15:23:54 <phoque_uni> they aren't singing "god is great, I mean it"
May 09 15:24:05 <phoque_uni> but "god is great, because everybody is singing it too"
May 09 15:24:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> some are like that yes
May 09 15:24:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> but.. there are some singing it cause they mean it
May 09 15:25:39 * halfhalo doesn't believe in god, at least not the god everyone else does
May 09 15:26:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> what god do you believe in?
May 09 15:26:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> the 1 God, or another god?
May 09 15:27:10 <phoque_uni> I don't really believe in God as an entity
May 09 15:27:18 <halfhalo> same
May 09 15:27:21 <phoque_uni> more like a personal... something
May 09 15:27:38 <phoque_uni> some need him to put hope into
May 09 15:27:45 <phoque_uni> some don't
May 09 15:27:47 <phoque_uni> that's fine
May 09 15:28:08 <phoque_uni> I'd say "you believe in my god" as long as you're acting ethically correct
May 09 15:28:23 <phoque_uni> it's hard to explain
May 09 15:28:37 <phoque_uni> but to me it's just "be a good person"
May 09 15:28:38 <halfhalo> I think of god as the sum of all physical laws in the universe, like gravity on the simpler side
May 09 15:28:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> well.. I believe in a literal heaven and hell, and that you cannot be good enough to get to heaven on your own
May 09 15:29:19 <phoque_uni> see, I don't believe that
May 09 15:29:26 <phoque_uni> that be good enough to get
May 09 15:29:42 <phoque_uni> that's a really cruel system you'd be living in
May 09 15:29:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> how so?
May 09 15:30:06 <phoque_uni> praising somebody who thinks of you being unable to achieve "the ultimate goal" anyways
May 09 15:31:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> well... I believe that there is only 1 way to heaven, which is by believing that Jesus Christ, the son of the One True God, died for our sins
May 09 15:31:07 <halfhalo> don't do good to get something/somewhere, do good to do good.
May 09 15:31:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> which is a good reason
May 09 15:31:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> but we can never do enough good to get to heaven
May 09 15:31:50 <stbuehler> i'd look at it the other way round
May 09 15:31:57 <stbuehler> sin is what separates you from god
May 09 15:32:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> yed
May 09 15:32:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes*
May 09 15:32:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> that's what it is
May 09 15:32:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
May 09 15:32:37 <stbuehler> you cannot just do good to get your account of sins even
May 09 15:32:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes
May 09 15:32:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> correct
May 09 15:33:02 <phoque_uni> but sins are "part of the system"
May 09 15:33:11 <phoque_uni> the system is designed for us to fail
May 09 15:33:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> they weren't meant to be
May 09 15:33:37 <phoque_uni> the only way out is to "hail the master"
May 09 15:33:44 <phoque_uni> very totalitarian
May 09 15:33:45 <phoque_uni> :-)
May 09 15:33:49 <phoque_uni> and
May 09 15:33:50 <halfhalo> see, I don't believe in heaven or hell.  I do believe in the power of neuron receptors in the brain that once gone are gone for good
May 09 15:33:55 <phoque_uni> what about the people who believe in buddha?
May 09 15:34:18 <phoque_uni> or allah
May 09 15:34:21 <phoque_uni> are they going to hell?
May 09 15:34:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> they believe in a false God
May 09 15:34:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes
May 09 15:34:40 <dkirker> see, I don't like that
May 09 15:34:41 <phoque_uni> see, I don't believe that
May 09 15:34:44 <stbuehler> i think they will get their chance
May 09 15:34:44 <Loudergood> technically allah is the same god as the christian god..
May 09 15:34:47 <phoque_uni> I hate that idea
May 09 15:34:50 <phoque_uni> and I don't believe in it
May 09 15:35:13 <phoque_uni> buddha and allah is their "personal version of god"
May 09 15:35:19 <phoque_uni> any version is fine
May 09 15:35:21 <stbuehler> well, how does your "i don't like that religion and that other instead" influence what the truth is?
May 09 15:35:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> buddah is just a piece of stone
May 09 15:35:34 <phoque_uni> yeah, but it makes them do good things
May 09 15:35:35 <halfhalo> I could not care less what people believe in as long as it is humane and does not impact me greatly.  and I will fight for that right.
May 09 15:35:51 <phoque_uni> buddism doesn't have a violent history as christianity does
May 09 15:36:04 <phoque_uni> christianity is among the worst of all religions
May 09 15:36:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> they have the right to believe what they want, same as do I
May 09 15:36:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> how so?
May 09 15:36:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> we die for what we believe in
May 09 15:36:44 <stbuehler> each religion can be abused
May 09 15:36:45 <halfhalo> crusades.
May 09 15:36:51 <phoque_uni> halfhalo, exactly
May 09 15:36:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> and if you go to Allah's grave, he is still there
May 09 15:37:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> correct?
May 09 15:37:21 <Loudergood> you have a lot to learn about islam
May 09 15:37:47 <phoque_uni> PatrickC_Pre2, I have no idea
May 09 15:37:48 <hotdp> what is the  latest touchpad release date?
May 09 15:37:49 <Loudergood> mohommed is more like moses
May 09 15:37:52 <phoque_uni> but I don't judge them either
May 09 15:37:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have a lot to learn about many different religions
May 09 15:37:58 <stbuehler> i know that the people who i consider to be "real" christian will fight for your free choice of religion too
May 09 15:38:03 <phoque_uni> hotdp, go away, we're talking about religion!
May 09 15:38:04 <phoque_uni> :-P
May 09 15:38:13 <stbuehler> :)
May 09 15:38:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't judge them either, just show them the error of their ways
May 09 15:38:23 <phoque_uni> see, you do judge
May 09 15:38:24 <Loudergood> judaism, christianity, and islam have the same god, but different prophets and texts
May 09 15:38:31 <phoque_uni> because you see their religion as being a false one
May 09 15:38:39 <phoque_uni> I'd say that's judgement
May 09 15:38:43 <stbuehler> yes, which is everyones right
May 09 15:39:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> I believe that their religion is false, yes
May 09 15:39:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> but I believe that they can get to heaven
May 09 15:39:33 <phoque_uni> by converting?
May 09 15:39:38 <dkirker> The problem that I have with the concept of a God in general, and I am not going to accuse anybody of doing it, but I am seeing it now, is that it is very one-way and very alienating. People tend to immediately discredit other religions and "gods" because it does not align perfectly with their own, and in the process completely alienate the people that follow that god.
May 09 15:39:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know many Catholic's that are saved, and on their way to heaven
May 09 15:40:27 <stbuehler> dkirker: why would you behave otherwise if you are convinced you found the true god?
May 09 15:40:45 <stbuehler> it is a very logical consequence
May 09 15:40:59 <phoque_uni> oh and...
May 09 15:41:04 <phoque_uni> the idea of an endless life in heaven
May 09 15:41:10 <phoque_uni> is pure horror to me
May 09 15:41:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> why???
May 09 15:41:23 <phoque_uni> I imagine it as being boring
May 09 15:41:33 <dkirker> stbuehler: True, but I find many people not only alienate, but they do it in a very violent manner. The worst thing that you can tell somebody is that they have no future, on Earth or after, because they don't believe in what you believe in.
May 09 15:41:42 <phoque_uni> yeah, I cannot grasp what heaven will be like
May 09 15:41:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> if you read about Heaven, it has many wondrous things
May 09 15:41:54 <phoque_uni> it might be awesome
May 09 15:41:58 <phoque_uni> but still
May 09 15:42:13 <stbuehler> dkirker: well, i agree you shouldn't tell people they have no future on earth :)
May 09 15:42:19 <phoque_uni> human minds are not made for an endless life
May 09 15:42:25 <stbuehler> and you shouldn't hate other people for their religion
May 09 15:42:26 <phoque_uni> you get bored, you'd die of boredom
May 09 15:42:31 <phoque_uni> and if the mind changes when in heaven
May 09 15:42:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> dkirker: I don't tell them that. I show them that, from a Book that has survived for over 4000 years
May 09 15:42:45 <phoque_uni> are we still who we were before going to heaven?
May 09 15:42:50 <stbuehler> and you shouldn't treat other people as "dumb" just as they have a different religion
May 09 15:43:03 <halfhalo> I am not living my life to get into some eternal place, I live to live this life.  nothing more, nothing less.
May 09 15:43:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque_uni: the mind-body-and soul change when in heaven
May 09 15:43:28 <phoque_uni> but that means I am not who I am now
May 09 15:43:48 <phoque_uni> I don't know, I'd simply hate it
May 09 15:43:58 <dkirker> Anyway. I need to get to work (I'm following on my Pre) so I can get breakfast! :D I don't mind this discussion, but if it gets too heated, or people start to feel uncomfortable then I'll ask that it stop (it's doing fine right now, it seems).
May 09 15:43:58 <phoque_uni> I love the idea of "lights being switched off"
May 09 15:44:22 <stbuehler> i'm pretty sure a god who created the earth can create a nice eternity and that i won't be bored :)
May 09 15:44:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> ^^ yes
May 09 15:44:41 <phoque_uni> but... eternity
May 09 15:44:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes
May 09 15:45:14 <halfhalo> see, my version of heaven would land me in hell if it were real
May 09 15:45:28 <phoque_uni> haha
May 09 15:45:43 <NuttyBunny> Hi all, religious talk? :)
May 09 15:45:49 <phoque_uni> yup
May 09 15:45:51 <phoque_uni> :-)
May 09 15:45:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah :)
May 09 15:46:11 * NuttyBunny may be considered a bit of an heretic by some
May 09 15:46:24 <NuttyBunny> I'm not that of a religious guy, I believe in some force, you put the name (God for some), that can control things, but we also have choices. And its not like we are forced to go to church, as this force should be everywhere
May 09 15:46:39 * PatrickC_Pre2 may be considered an idiot by some
May 09 15:46:41 <NuttyBunny> so, no church for me, it isn't necessary
May 09 15:47:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> NuttyBunny:  that's the point, we have a choice.
May 09 15:47:09 <halfhalo> college cures religion
May 09 15:47:15 <halfhalo> :p
May 09 15:47:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> we aren't forced to do anything
May 09 15:47:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: my college won't :)
May 09 15:47:49 <phoque_uni> PatrickC_Pre2, you're 14. you have no idea what college you'll end up
May 09 15:47:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> and the Force (God) is everywhere,  and all knowing
May 09 15:48:04 <phoque_uni> NuttyBunny, I wouldn't even say "the force controls stuff"
May 09 15:48:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque_uni: I'm going to a Christian college
May 09 15:48:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know that much, and I'm 15 :)
May 09 15:48:28 <phoque_uni> oh, happy birthday
May 09 15:48:33 <phoque_uni> you were 14 when we last spoke
May 09 15:48:36 <phoque_uni> weren't you?
May 09 15:48:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> it was in February :)
May 09 15:48:50 * halfhalo will either be in jail or a millioneer by the time he is 30
May 09 15:48:52 <phoque_uni> sounds about right :-)
May 09 15:48:54 <halfhalo> maybe both
May 09 15:49:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: lol
May 09 15:49:28 <NuttyBunny> The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.
May 09 15:49:33 <phoque_uni> heh
May 09 15:49:36 <NuttyBunny> ah, no, that's another Force... ;)
May 09 15:49:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> hahaha
May 09 15:49:49 <NuttyBunny> but it's basically the same
May 09 15:49:49 <phoque_uni> PatrickC_Pre2, if you become a pastor
May 09 15:49:57 <halfhalo> bustin out starwars.... nice
May 09 15:49:58 <stbuehler> halfhalo: btw, i'm in my 12th semester studying computer science.. and i'm still a christian :)
May 09 15:50:00 <phoque_uni> please don't build your community on peer pressure
May 09 15:50:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque_uni: I will
May 09 15:50:06 <phoque_uni> as most of them are
May 09 15:50:22 <phoque_uni> and I feel they're destroying more than they repair
May 09 15:50:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> stbuehler: awesome! :)
May 09 15:50:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> what part of the US/World?
May 09 15:50:58 <halfhalo> on my 5th sem compsci and totally not.
May 09 15:51:06 <stbuehler> PatrickC_Pre2: germany
May 09 15:51:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
May 09 15:52:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> see.. I live in the US, where we have freedom of religion (for right now) and I want it to stay that way
May 09 15:53:07 * halfhalo pretty much ticks all of the 7 sins right now... :p
May 09 15:53:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't want to force people to believe what I believe, but give them a choice
May 09 15:53:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> and if they say no, I leave it at that, say good day (or night :) and leave
May 09 15:54:22 <NuttyBunny> heaven, hell, that's another thing.... who can or can't say that this is not hell and when we die and rest at last we go to "heaven" (heaven meaning that we just stop existing)... maybe there's not such thing as spirit, or soul, maybe when we die that's it.  I just prefer to live and live nice, and if I die and nothing comes later, at least the people who knew me will remember me :9
May 09 15:54:58 <halfhalo> I don't believe in a soul
May 09 15:55:20 * PatrickC_Pre2 does
May 09 15:55:20 <stbuehler> i think if you live to be rembered you will have a pretty hard life
May 09 15:55:50 <halfhalo> there is no proofs of one
May 09 15:55:56 <NuttyBunny> maybe not remembered by everyone, but at least leave your loved ones a nice person to remember :)
May 09 15:55:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> George Washington was/is remembered, and he was a Christian
May 09 15:56:20 <halfhalo> electrochemical impulses, that I can get behind
May 09 15:56:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: that's the point, it takes faith to believe in that, and to believe in God
May 09 15:57:23 <halfhalo> I have no faith to give to that
May 09 15:57:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> I do
May 09 15:58:06 <halfhalo> but I will say I do believe that jesus christ was a real person, and that he did die on the cross
May 09 15:58:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, if you acknowledge why He died on the cross, then we are on the same page :)
May 09 15:59:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> that is the basis for Christianity
May 09 15:59:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> the death/burial/resurrection
May 09 15:59:30 <halfhalo> except I don't believe that he was the son of god, or came back to life, or any of that
May 09 16:00:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> then we aren't on the same page
May 09 16:00:38 <stbuehler> why would anyone do what he did when there was no good reason for it?
May 09 16:00:41 <halfhalo> he was a person who advocated something and was persecuted, just like countless before and countless after
May 09 16:01:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> stbuehler: exactly
May 09 16:02:38 <halfhalo> he died for what he believed in.  there is nothing unique about that.
May 09 16:02:42 * PatrickC_Pre2 wonders how we got here from talking about music
May 09 16:03:15 <stbuehler> so i guess you don't believe jesus claimed he was the son of god
May 09 16:03:22 <halfhalo> nope
May 09 16:03:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> or that he was born of a virgin?
May 09 16:03:49 <halfhalo> nope
May 09 16:04:03 <stbuehler> well, so you basically say "i believe there was a person who got persecuted once and died on the cross"
May 09 16:04:04 <halfhalo> well, not really
May 09 16:04:12 <halfhalo> yup
May 09 16:04:31 <stbuehler> but it has nothing to do with the person described in the bible
May 09 16:04:45 <Loudergood> sounds like he was a pretty good guy too
May 09 16:04:57 <stbuehler> that is (statistically speaking) a safe bet ofc :)
May 09 16:04:59 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC_Pre2: Lemme look if I can find some info about the original translation of the Bible.  Supposedly Mary wasn't a virgin, but a "young wife", and that began everything :S
May 09 16:05:04 <halfhalo> yup
May 09 16:05:21 <NuttyBunny> Of course, everyone has their interpretations
May 09 16:05:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, when the soldiers took him from the garden of gesseminy  (not sure how to spell it) and Peter chopped a soldiers ear off, how did He (Jesus) put the ear back onto the soldier??
May 09 16:06:19 <stbuehler> well, if you don't believe what the bible says you don't believe it :)
May 09 16:06:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> and how did He (Jesus) raise people like Lazarus from the dead? or heal the sick? or walk on water?
May 09 16:06:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> true
May 09 16:06:31 <halfhalo> thread and needle, assuming that it happened in exactly that manner, which is unlikely
May 09 16:06:45 <NuttyBunny> You have to take that for granted, you don't know if it really happened.
May 09 16:06:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> it is documented by more then just the Bible
May 09 16:07:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> and how do you explain BC and AD in the years? (like 2000BC and 2011AD)
May 09 16:08:06 <halfhalo> that they used his death as a pivot point?
May 09 16:08:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> BC==Before Christ --- AD== After Death
May 09 16:08:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> but why his?
May 09 16:08:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> why not Peter, or Pilot, or James, or someone else?
May 09 16:08:49 <halfhalo> because he became a symbol of christianity
May 09 16:08:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> why Jesus? why was he so special? many died for what they believed in?
May 09 16:09:15 <stbuehler> there are many special persons in history
May 09 16:09:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> and how do you believe the earth was formed? evolution?
May 09 16:09:25 <halfhalo> yes
May 09 16:09:27 <Loudergood> because a roman emperor converted
May 09 16:09:36 <NuttyBunny> yup, evolution
May 09 16:09:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> there are many symbols of Christianity.. D.L. Mody
May 09 16:09:57 <halfhalo> evolution has science backing it up
May 09 16:09:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> then show me a fossil of a fish becoming a frog
May 09 16:10:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I will believe you
May 09 16:10:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> if you can show me an evolving fossil, I will believe you
May 09 16:10:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> and Evolution doesn't have science backing it up
May 09 16:10:37 <halfhalo> wait, you think evolution hbappens that fast
May 09 16:10:40 <Loudergood> the frog is living evolution
May 09 16:10:41 <NuttyBunny> I seriously don't believe in Yahoo Answers, but: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081027054145AALKyup  (About Mary)
May 09 16:10:44 <stbuehler> i think scientists who try to prove the bible wrong just to make a point aren't doing science any favor
May 09 16:10:51 <Loudergood> it's a fish becoming a kangaroo
May 09 16:10:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> if the earth is really 600Billion years old.. then there would be no more sun
May 09 16:11:16 <halfhalo> what....
May 09 16:11:25 <NuttyBunny> stbuehler: The scientists want to know exactly how things happen and happened, they don't try to prove the bible was wrong
May 09 16:11:27 <Loudergood> I don't even...
May 09 16:11:31 <stbuehler> PatrickC_Pre2: be careful when arguing with science in that area :)
May 09 16:11:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> science has proved at the rate the sun is shrinking, the sun will be gone in like 10,000 years
May 09 16:11:58 <stbuehler> NuttyBunny: there are not many scientists of that kind
May 09 16:12:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> stbuehler: ok..
May 09 16:12:14 <stbuehler> many scientists just want fame
May 09 16:12:28 <stbuehler> and won't care too much about how likely their theories are
May 09 16:12:45 <Loudergood> I'm surprised it's taken this long to get here.
May 09 16:12:48 <NuttyBunny> stbuehler: Take the Holy Shroud for example, it has been found that it has indeed near 2000 years, so, it may have existed back then
May 09 16:13:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, how about the machine that scientists use to see how old something is? it gives a different answer on the same object if its inserted twice usually
May 09 16:14:09 <madnificent> what's the path where the usb drive is mounted on the pre?
May 09 16:14:20 <NuttyBunny> madnificent,  /media/internal   ?
May 09 16:14:25 <stbuehler> PatrickC_Pre2: well, if the scientist is good he will know the accuracy of the machine :)
May 09 16:14:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: we are talking religion, go away :)
May 09 16:14:36 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: thank you
May 09 16:14:42 <madnificent> PatrickC_Pre2: I must go away, don't have time
May 09 16:14:45 <madnificent> must try out the new pre
May 09 16:14:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> stbehuler: hehe
May 09 16:14:48 <madnificent> but must get food as well
May 09 16:14:49 <madnificent> new == pre2
May 09 16:14:50 <stbuehler> :)
May 09 16:14:51 <madnificent> THANKS PALM
May 09 16:14:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> madnificent: hehe
May 09 16:15:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> have fun
May 09 16:15:01 <madnificent> how do I sign in into my palm account after dismissing it?
May 09 16:15:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> Gesture Tutorial
May 09 16:15:28 * NuttyBunny thinks that giving away the Pre Pluses and Pre 2 to developers was the perfect way of clearing inventory ;)
May 09 16:15:40 <stbuehler> i guess science may one day actually figure out how evolution happened
May 09 16:15:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> NuttyBunny: veer time
May 09 16:16:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> stbuehler: and when they do, they will figure out that it didn't :)
May 09 16:16:12 <stbuehler> and i don't care whether their theory relies on "random" or whatever
May 09 16:16:31 <stbuehler> but that won't change whether i believe i god or not
May 09 16:16:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here.. I believe in Creation
May 09 16:16:52 <halfhalo> carbon dating ftw
May 09 16:17:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> and nothing can change that
May 09 16:17:13 <stbuehler> i believe god created the earth, and he certainly is able to make it look like anything
May 09 16:17:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 09 16:19:01 * madnificent believes in people's ignorance to facts.  Funny thing is that creationists believe that as well :P
May 09 16:19:11 <stbuehler> i think using science to proove or disproove any religion is bound to fail
May 09 16:22:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah
May 09 16:22:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok.. well I have to fix my partitions on the pre2
May 09 16:22:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya all
May 09 16:22:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> good talk :)
May 09 16:22:45 <halfhalo> except evolution is widely accepted, even by some in the vatican.
May 09 16:23:00 <stbuehler> ha
May 09 16:23:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> creation is widely accepted
May 09 16:23:30 <stbuehler> i think they asked students of biology or similar in our country whether they believed in evolution
May 09 16:23:55 <stbuehler> pretty bad results for evolution (and i'm pretty sure most of these students weren't christian)
May 09 16:24:24 <stbuehler> our news paper was like "our education failed!our experts believe the wrong things!"
May 09 16:24:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> hahaha
May 09 16:24:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, I have to go
May 09 16:26:07 <stbuehler> it would be similar funny when they tried telling me what programming language i have to use :D
May 09 16:28:35 <NuttyBunny> and what one do you use? (just curious)
May 09 16:28:45 <haeffb> The Old Testament and the Koran both implore followers to wipe out the "infidels". It's just too bad that we forgot we're both reading the same book and are on the same team.
May 09 16:29:33 <NuttyBunny> Hey Adora!
May 09 16:29:43 <haeffb> hello, Adora. Welcome to Religion Chat!
May 09 16:29:57 <dkirker-pre_> huh... wow...
May 09 16:30:05 <halfhalo> lol
May 09 16:30:10 <dkirker-pre_> 'morning Adora!
May 09 16:30:19 <Adora> ruh oh
May 09 16:30:39 <dkirker-pre_> halfhalo: </religion-chat>
May 09 16:30:48 <haeffb> is webOS the One True Mobile OS(tm) ?
May 09 16:31:04 <stbuehler> NuttyBunny: i use many... :) c, c++, javascript, ruby, python, perl, asm, java, c#, d, haskell, shells, ... :)
May 09 16:31:14 <NuttyBunny> John Rubinstein is "The Creator"? :)
May 09 16:31:34 <NuttyBunny> stbuehler: That's the thing, freedom of choice, let people believe what they want :)
May 09 16:31:42 <stbuehler> and if you know of a new "perfect one", tell me :D
May 09 16:32:18 <NuttyBunny> everyone has their flaws, just as in religion ;)
May 09 16:32:27 <NuttyBunny> every one
May 09 16:32:44 <stbuehler> everyone too :)
May 09 16:33:37 <stbuehler> oh, forgot lua :D
May 09 16:34:17 <halfhalo> lol
May 09 16:34:46 <stbuehler> and basic, pascal, delphi, ada
May 09 16:34:57 <stbuehler> damn, i should keep a list
May 09 16:40:08 <halfhalo> oh god they re playing whoop there it is in this place
May 09 16:47:12 <dkirker-pre_> 'morning chuqui!
May 09 16:48:37 <hotdp> are you finished talking about god?
May 09 16:49:00 <chuqui> dkirker-pre: good morning!
May 09 16:51:31 <NuttyBunny> hey chuqui!
May 09 16:54:31 <chuqui> NuttyBunny:  hey!
May 09 16:54:39 <avarus> hi guys
May 09 16:54:43 <avarus> and girls
May 09 16:54:47 <NuttyBunny> hi avarus
May 09 17:02:06 * halfhalo yawns
May 09 17:04:37 <stbuehler> http://www.gocomics.com/garfield/ :)
May 09 17:06:46 <dkirker-pre> oh man!! The Cafe here at work makes a pretty mean breakfast.
May 09 17:06:50 <dkirker-pre> I love it!
May 09 17:07:57 <avarus> omg you love it
May 09 17:09:40 <hotdp> dkirker-pre here = hp?
May 09 17:09:57 <dkirker-pre> ya!
May 09 17:10:03 <hotdp> niec
May 09 17:10:07 <hotdp> free?
May 09 17:10:13 <dkirker-pre> actually, they generally have great food
May 09 17:10:18 <hotdp> :o
May 09 17:10:19 <hotdp> nice
May 09 17:10:23 <hotdp> bacon?
May 09 17:10:29 <dkirker-pre> no, not free. I don't mind paying, though. :)
May 09 17:10:59 <dkirker-pre> I didn't get bacon. not a big fan.
May 09 17:13:23 <halfhalo> ...
May 09 17:13:55 <dkirker-pre> was too much of a fan as a kid :P
May 09 17:18:40 * halfhalo now needs food
May 09 17:18:52 * avarus now needs bacon
May 09 17:18:59 <halfhalo> but... no monies for on campus food right now
May 09 17:25:47 <dkirker-pre> hehehe
May 09 17:25:59 * dkirker-pre is making #webos hungry :P
May 09 17:26:10 <halfhalo> haaate
May 09 17:32:05 <avarus> a friend showed me grilled meat last time and it was around 11:00; I was so hungry then :P
May 09 17:44:37 <sbc> H
May 09 17:44:38 <sbc> Hi
May 09 17:45:24 <sbc> somebody help me to use setTimeout() or delay() or setInterval() in webos , please ?
May 09 17:45:40 <hotdp> its just like you do it in js
May 09 17:45:42 <hotdp> no difference
May 09 17:45:51 <sbc> its not working at all
May 09 17:46:05 <hotdp> pastebin
May 09 17:46:15 <sbc> i used this.refresh.delay(60);
May 09 17:46:38 <sbc> also setInterval(this.refresh, 1000);
May 09 17:47:10 <sbc> when i use setTimeout, it does not consider delay, and runs infinite loop
May 09 17:47:29 <sugardave> setTimeout(function(){//blah}.bind(this), 1000);
May 09 17:47:34 <hotdp> yer
May 09 17:48:00 <sugardave> will work in Mojo because we get bind :)
May 09 17:48:17 <sbc> let me try that
May 09 17:49:46 <sbc> setTimeout(this.refresh.bind(this), 30000) should give me refresh at every 30 seconds.. right ?
May 09 17:50:21 <sugardave> that sounds reasonable
May 09 17:50:36 <madnificent> sbc: if you call it on each refresh as well
May 09 17:51:07 <sugardave> sbc: oh, you want setInterval
May 09 17:51:15 <hotdp> yer
May 09 17:51:25 <madnificent> sugardave: thanks, I didn't know the name anymore
May 09 17:51:47 <sugardave> np
May 09 17:51:48 <madnificent> also: where can I sign into my palm profile in WebOS 2.x?
May 09 17:52:06 * sugardave pretends that user level stuff doesn't matter.
May 09 17:52:14 <sugardave> (i.e. I don't know)
May 09 17:53:32 <SimpsonTP> any1 here who did put openlayers in his app ?
May 09 18:01:06 <sbc> sugardave: its not working for me ..
May 09 18:01:53 <sbc> it called for the first time.. and second time it is not refreshed.. :(
May 09 18:02:00 <sugardave> lame, try sending some logging info:  setInterval(function(){console.log("INTERVAL");}.bind(this), 5000);
May 09 18:02:18 <sugardave> and check /var/log/messages and see if they're going in
May 09 18:02:53 <sbc> ok
May 09 18:08:26 <sbc> gr8.. it works
May 09 18:08:27 <torchie> well
May 09 18:08:33 <torchie> I'm confused about the point of sprint upgrade discounts
May 09 18:08:53 <sbc> i had to call this.refresh() inside the function in setInterval
May 09 18:09:24 <sugardave> sbc: yah, I always cheat and just wrap whatever I really want to call inside an anon function like that :)
May 09 18:09:45 <sugardave> there is a way to not have to do that, but I'm all about fast and easy
May 09 18:10:02 <torchie> if I weren't a long-time sprint customer, I'd be getting this phone with a new 2year for $200
May 09 18:10:33 <torchie> since I am a long time sprint customer, I'm getting, with $150 discount, this phone, with a new 2year for... $200
May 09 18:11:30 <halfhalo> lol
May 09 18:14:46 <cavneb> I finally got my Palm Pre 2 :D
May 09 18:15:11 <cavneb> 2 months later :D
May 09 18:15:13 <madnificent> cavneb: me too!!!
May 09 18:15:16 <madnificent> cavneb: today :D
May 09 18:15:22 <cavneb> congrats madnificent :D
May 09 18:15:32 <madnificent> congrats to you too, cavneb
May 09 18:15:34 <cavneb> unfortunately, I can't use it b/c I am on verizon :(
May 09 18:15:40 <sbc> yes, getting things right is what matters .. thanks a lot , sugardave !!
May 09 18:15:43 <madnificent> cavneb: I received my GSM version :)
May 09 18:16:05 <madnificent> cavneb: also, you can still use by it's non-calling functions, no?  I unlocked mine by accident :)
May 09 18:16:15 * SimpsonTP is stil awaiting his pre2 as well
May 09 18:16:21 <cavneb> it won't let me get past the 'missing sim' window
May 09 18:17:14 <madnificent> cavneb: ah, don't know if this'll work then: enter #*DEVMODE# (could be that it won't launch though)
May 09 18:17:18 <madnificent> I don't know for sure in that case
May 09 18:17:43 <cavneb> i couldn't get to any dialer at all :(
May 09 18:17:51 <cavneb> i'll try again tomorrow (left it at work)
May 09 18:18:25 <madnificent> cavneb: I read somewhere "The dialer will appear when you complete the code" something like that
May 09 18:18:58 <cavneb> oh.. you just dial it without an interface
May 09 18:19:01 <cavneb> i didn't try that
May 09 18:19:27 <madnificent> don't know if you need to enter the correct numbers or the correct letters in that case
May 09 18:19:33 <madnificent> I also haven't tried it!
May 09 18:20:15 <madnificent> signing in to your profile is a good excercise on remembering all your passwords :)
May 09 18:29:32 <haeffb> correct numbers
May 09 18:29:50 <haeffb> and for cdma it's likely ##DEVMODE#
May 09 18:32:41 <torchie> might as well get gsm nexus s on t mobile :/
May 09 18:32:49 <torchie> i mean they'll still exist for 2 years right
May 09 18:51:19 <thetaEight> hey does anyone how i can make my list selector change scenes when tapped. I use Ares. heres he code i have http://pastebin.com/riN1c8ZA
May 09 18:54:26 <LoneStar99> thetaEight:  i have code to change scenes but not from a list selector but it may work for u
May 09 18:55:09 <thetaEight> LoneStar99: okay thanks! may i see?
May 09 18:55:46 <LoneStar99> this.controller.stageController.pushScene('bg');
May 09 18:56:07 <LoneStar99> that would push bg-assistant.js
May 09 18:56:46 <LoneStar99> oops.. it is what u have...
May 09 18:56:47 <LoneStar99> lol
May 09 18:57:28 <LoneStar99> what is happening with your current code? nothing?
May 09 18:57:35 <thetaEight> LoneStar99: lol thanks anyways
May 09 18:57:41 <thetaEight> nothing
May 09 18:58:48 * NuttyBunny has earned the power of On The Fly data restore on webOS devices :D
May 09 18:59:03 <LoneStar99> have you verified that  "value" 1 is being set?
May 09 18:59:44 <LoneStar99> do you have a listener for the list selector?
May 09 18:59:45 <halfhalo> oh mah lord im hungry
May 09 18:59:50 <SimpsonTP> hmm any1 have audio problems with pre+ and webos 2.1 ??
May 09 19:00:09 <SimpsonTP> angrybirds + youtube have no sound anymore, but alarm phone etc work fine
May 09 19:00:40 <thetaEight> LoneStar99: I use ares so i didnt think i needed on? but it is being set
May 09 19:04:35 <leiru> ouh
May 09 19:04:40 <LoneStar99> thetaEight:  have you tried passing the value to a "div"  --> http://pastebin.com/rEbLzSCH
May 09 19:04:42 <leiru> just slept 2 hrs last night
May 09 19:05:55 <LoneStar99> thetaEight: for debugging purposes?
May 09 19:06:38 <thetaEight> LoneStar99: okay i ll try that
May 09 19:21:06 <vaibhav__> can anyone tell me how to implement dashboard like submenu in viewMenu like in facecbook app.
May 09 19:22:41 <SimpsonTP> ah headset plug bug
May 09 20:07:55 <hotdp> sugardave: pinh
May 09 20:16:34 <sugardave> p to the o n g
May 09 20:22:02 <maik> oh na hells to the naw
May 09 20:22:08 <maik> precentral and their full screen ads
May 09 21:02:53 <madnificent> receiving the Pre2 makes me want to dev more, not only better.  I didn't expect this
May 09 21:03:31 * madnificent <3 Pre3 (except for the bordered screen and the new launcher without patch support)
May 09 21:04:03 <SimpsonTP> I hope to recieve mine pretty soon
May 09 21:08:54 <madnificent> SimpsonTP: don't 'wait' for it.  It'll suddenly arrive and then the time will stop ticking for a while... or so it seems :)
May 09 21:09:12 <Loudergood> lol
May 09 21:10:01 <SimpsonTP> :)
May 09 21:12:04 <sugardave> Pre 2s are....magic?
May 09 21:12:39 <halfhalo> oh, look.  its the fancy mr swat.
May 09 21:12:40 <halfhalo> :
May 09 21:12:41 <halfhalo> :p
May 09 21:13:02 <sugardave> :) I'm still just Jenny from the block, yo
May 09 21:13:43 <dohtem> haha
May 09 21:35:32 <SineOt> Man, gotta love iFixIt. http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Tracking-Device-Teardown/5250/1
May 09 21:35:56 <SineOt> Tear down of one of the warrantless GPS trackers the FBI has been so fond of lately.
May 09 21:45:19 <halfhalo> dammit.. I'm out of names. you win sugardave
May 09 21:45:24 <sugardave> haha
May 09 21:46:15 * rwhitby is in San Jose
May 09 21:46:27 <halfhalo> that can't be good
May 09 21:46:36 <sugardave> are you all out of gum?
May 09 21:48:54 <dohtem> rwhitby: kicking it old school with the Palm guys?
May 09 21:50:32 <maik> anyone know if there's a cross-platform budget/register type of app?
May 09 21:50:59 <maik> because if not, i'm calling dibs on writing one
May 09 21:51:02 <maik> well, the webOS half
May 09 21:51:05 <maik> or...third
May 09 21:51:38 <dohtem> maik: like a point-of-sale register replacement?
May 09 21:51:50 <maik> oh no, sorry, like a checkbook register
May 09 21:52:01 <maik> tell it "i have $x to spend on food this month"
May 09 21:52:19 <maik> and make entries which sync centrally
May 09 21:52:27 <dohtem> Take a look at Mint
May 09 21:53:37 <maik> i use Mint, but they don't have a webOS app
May 09 21:55:24 <rwhitby> dohtem: nope, business meetings in San Jose, unrelated to webOS.
May 09 21:56:09 <keith> wow back in the bay already rwhitby?
May 09 21:56:16 <rwhitby> yep
May 09 21:56:26 <dohtem> the yay*
May 09 21:56:28 <dohtem> :)
May 09 21:56:39 <rwhitby> won a consulting contract last time, now need to plan the execution.
May 09 21:56:54 <keith> congrats
May 09 22:08:17 <maik> is the number of rings before going to voicemail a carrier thing
May 09 22:08:28 <sugardave> heh
May 09 22:08:47 <maik> or length of time or what have you
May 09 22:08:58 <sugardave> more rings means they didn't answer, less rings means they actively refused to answer your call
May 09 22:09:09 <sugardave> on Sprint, anyway :)
May 09 22:10:04 <maik> i'm wondering if i can extend it
May 09 22:10:19 <sugardave> I do not know
May 09 22:12:44 <dohtem> http://www.css3.me/
May 09 22:17:23 <projectalarum> Anyone have any experience with sharepoint?
May 09 22:17:39 <keith> yes
May 09 22:17:41 <keith> i rm'rf'd
May 09 22:17:56 <keith> sharepoint is absolute shit.
May 09 22:18:11 <projectalarum> ok, i friggin can't stand the logic that follows 'workflows'.....
May 09 22:18:17 <projectalarum> agreed...
May 09 22:18:40 <keith> sharepoint was made for non technical pm's at MS to feel like they had power/control over something.
May 09 22:18:42 <projectalarum> but, this task has been dumped on me as our one developer is a joke.....
May 09 22:21:01 <projectalarum> i couldn't agree more..... so my problem is, i have a simple list, when they click new they fill out the form, the workflow notices, 'hey a new item in the pending grievances list' and starts and that workflow works.... then after it's gather info from certain users, it creates a draft document, then it's supposed to go through a review process.... problem is, if its rejected, i want it to basically start over, i can delete the original list item and/or c
May 09 22:21:10 <LoneStar99> testing out memcached on server, it is sweet!
May 09 22:21:40 <projectalarum> someone told me workflows cant start if another workflow creates the list item, which isn't true because my first workflow starts the second by creating a new list item!!!
May 09 22:21:48 <projectalarum> i friggin hate sharepoint.....
May 09 22:50:10 <maik> this is very informative re: my previous question
May 09 22:50:10 <maik> http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/29952#29952
May 09 22:52:24 <sugardave> the more you know
May 09 22:53:30 <maik> ™
May 09 22:54:03 <maik> also, clearcheckbook.com (i'm guessing a Mint.com competitor) has a webOS app, checking out now
May 09 22:56:59 <maik> the webOS app isn't the prettiest i've seen
May 09 22:57:41 <sugardave> I didn't write it, I swear
May 09 22:58:18 <maik> heh
May 09 23:05:28 * madnificent wonders what people would look for when combining a tasks application on their TouchPad, which runs on their phone as well
May 09 23:13:25 <maik> i want The Hit List on webOS, that's all
May 09 23:17:00 <madnificent> maik: not the The Hit List, but perhaps tasks@hand can help you as well, that's its goal :)
May 09 23:22:02 <Loudergood> it was only a matter of time http://dl.dropbox.com/u/227626/Screenshots/rol-viruses.png
May 09 23:24:54 <PatrickC_Pre1> hey all
May 09 23:24:56 <maik> Loudergood: i saw mention of that last week, pretty funny
May 09 23:25:06 * PatrickC_Pre1 misses stacks :'(
May 09 23:25:34 <Loudergood> it's a pre, noone is stopping you from webos 2ing it ;)
May 09 23:25:37 <maik> as you should, traitor
May 09 23:25:42 <maik> oh
May 09 23:25:55 <PatrickC_Pre> I will once I get the replacement
May 09 23:26:11 <PatrickC_Pre> I picked this one up, and within 5 min they ordered another one
May 09 23:26:31 <PatrickC_Pre> I don't feel like doctoring 2 times on this one, and another time on the other one :)
May 09 23:26:55 <madnificent> Loudergood: funny
May 09 23:27:21 <Loudergood> I figure that would be a very ripe market
May 09 23:27:27 <Loudergood> ready for the plucking
May 09 23:27:30 <PatrickC_Pre> Loudergood: I want to pre2ify it, but I'm not gonna till sprint stops replacing it :)
May 09 23:28:10 <PatrickC_Pre> anyone here use an Airave?
May 09 23:30:40 <maik> http://code.google.com/p/crypto-js/
May 09 23:30:59 <dohtem> maik: heh, I used that for a while
May 09 23:31:05 <maik> pretty cool
May 09 23:31:12 <dohtem> just for SHA-1
May 09 23:34:37 <PatrickC_Pre> brb
May 10 02:54:28 <SineOt> "Fixed crash in Safari/Lion when using a keyboard shortcut after closing a tab." you'd think that would be such a common use scenario that it would never have made it into any kind of publicly available code… :I
May 10 02:55:13 <Tibfib> it doesn't say "using a keyboard shortcut TO close a tab"
May 10 02:55:40 <Tibfib> so maybe not?
May 10 02:56:45 <SineOt> If you close a tab then do any keyboard shortcut, it would crash Safari.
May 10 02:57:00 <Tibfib> oh, really, any one?
May 10 02:57:03 <SineOt> Open a new window? Crash. Close a tab? Crash. Switch tabs? Crash.
May 10 02:57:09 <SineOt> From when I was using it, yeah.
May 10 02:57:17 <Tibfib> nevermind. no excuses :)
May 10 02:57:46 <SineOt> Then again, beta OS + beta Safari + beta software, I'm sure there's a ton of weird bugs like that that pop up out of nowhere.
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