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May 21 03:16:31 <DocLee> Christ...if you're going to say something off the topic without reading the thread, then post it in another thread or shut your yap
May 21 03:39:31 <dwc-> rapture? http://yfrog.com/z/hs5zp7p
May 21 03:42:16 * PatrickC has stupid friends
May 21 03:42:24 <PatrickC> s/friends/friend/
May 21 03:43:43 <SineOt> What, they're all waiting for the rapture to start?
May 21 03:43:57 <sugardave> just one?  that's an abnormally small number, considering the circumstances?
May 21 03:44:06 * halfhalo went from sprint to att, does that count as the rapture?
May 21 03:44:27 <PatrickC> no.. I updated his iTouch to 4.2.1...
May 21 03:44:37 <PatrickC> and updated Cydia (hacking app)
May 21 03:44:50 <PatrickC> and now he's mad that he can't get *all* apps for free
May 21 03:45:24 <halfhalo> cydia is not a hacking app... its just like preware, but on the other side of the line
May 21 03:45:24 <PatrickC> sugardave: I have more then 1, I'm just talking of one in particular atm :)
May 21 03:45:37 <PatrickC> "other side of he line"?
May 21 03:45:42 * halfhalo just assumes everyone is stupid
May 21 03:45:54 <SineOt> yeah, Cydia has nothing to do with hacking
May 21 03:46:05 <rwhitby> over half the population is of below average intelligence
May 21 03:46:08 <PatrickC> it installs things like preware does..
May 21 03:46:28 <PatrickC> and is preware not considered "hacking" in some way/shape/form?
May 21 03:46:34 <sugardave> rwhitby: only "just over"?  it seems like a hell of a lot more than that :D
May 21 03:46:54 <rwhitby> sugardave: you live in the USA ...
May 21 03:47:00 <PatrickC> haha
May 21 03:47:04 <sugardave> rwhitby: ah, selection bias
May 21 03:47:10 <halfhalo> in texas...
May 21 03:47:16 <sugardave> 2 strikes!
May 21 03:48:55 * PatrickC can't think of a third
May 21 04:06:02 <sugardave> DocLee: you going to be around for a while?  I thought I would see if I can answer your question but it may take me a little while to get a sample project going...unless you want to share with me your code :)
May 21 04:06:20 <DocLee> I can share the entire code.  I don't care.
May 21 04:06:33 <sugardave> sugardave at gmail
May 21 04:07:00 <sugardave> does it run in a browser or does it need the emu?
May 21 04:07:04 <DocLee> Browser
May 21 04:07:08 <sugardave> cool
May 21 04:07:14 <DocLee> Note...it's no where near finished.
May 21 04:07:35 <sugardave> sure, I just want to make sure I have a handle on event propagation and scoping things like you're trying to do
May 21 04:08:21 <DocLee> Yeah, doesn't work worth a damn right now.
May 21 04:08:35 <DocLee> Sent
May 21 04:08:43 <sugardave> cool, I'll see what I can see
May 21 04:09:24 <DocLee> TuneinLayout.js is the main.js
May 21 04:09:37 <DocLee> Few extra files in there as well
May 21 04:09:51 <sugardave> alright
May 21 04:14:09 <DocLee> And the problematic code is in the Browse -> Local/Talk/Sports (only buttons that work so far)
May 21 04:14:48 <sugardave> so you are looking to handle responses from something clicked in Local/Talk/Sports ?
May 21 04:15:03 <DocLee> Do you have it loaded in a browser?
May 21 04:15:07 <sugardave> yeah
May 21 04:15:11 <DocLee> Hit Browse.
May 21 04:15:14 <DocLee> Then hit Local
May 21 04:15:23 <sugardave> right
May 21 04:15:25 <oil> remove govnah and doctor :)
May 21 04:15:26 <DocLee> Clicking on a station in Local needs to do something.
May 21 04:15:43 <sugardave> right
May 21 04:15:51 <DocLee> And yes, I know my scrollers don't go all the way down...
May 21 04:15:56 <DocLee> All of that other stuff is easy
May 21 04:16:04 <sugardave> don't worry, I don't critique layout :)
May 21 04:20:05 <PatrickC> oil: huh? lol
May 21 04:28:04 <DocLee> sugardave, getting there...
May 21 04:39:36 <sugardave> DocLee: sort of here, too...what you are trying to do should work, yet it is not...I'm leaning towards an issue with the dynamic creation of the thing you want to tap breaking the event system somehow
May 21 04:39:53 <DocLee> Same here
May 21 04:40:00 <DocLee> I've got it propagated to the ListBox
May 21 04:40:17 <DocLee> But, it can't get propagated back to the main layout
May 21 04:40:48 <sugardave> yeah, me, too...the funny thing is I think I've done this before, let me check something
May 21 04:43:03 <sugardave> oh, mine's different, but it gave me a clue...let's see
May 21 04:44:01 <sugardave> heh
May 21 04:44:05 <sugardave> you're going to hate this
May 21 04:44:12 <DocLee> I already hate this
May 21 04:44:14 <DocLee> So, yeah...
May 21 04:44:28 <sugardave> pm
May 21 04:44:35 <halfhalo> hate is such a... fun word.
May 21 04:48:44 <DocLee> Well, it was incorrect
May 21 04:48:50 <DocLee> So, despise
May 21 04:55:38 <halfhalo> but hate is so much more fun!
May 21 05:45:19 <halfhalo> interesting... no irc on winphone7
May 21 06:12:35 <dwc-> savages
May 21 06:19:55 <halfhalo> yup
May 21 15:01:29 <phoque> is twitter.com/@webOSconnect affiliated with the events in Paris and Berlin?
May 21 15:37:38 <DJNomad> hi all
May 21 15:37:51 <solix> hey DJNomad
May 21 15:37:55 <DJNomad> my facebook app is not showing images
May 21 15:38:09 <DJNomad> any idea if a patch could be the issue?
May 21 15:38:54 <DJNomad> sorry im direct to the point,Ishould at least come in and act like im social before asking stuff lol
May 21 15:39:51 <DJNomad> also uberkernals update is not working for me,ipkg log is saying cant find tarball
May 21 15:41:51 <DJNomad> ps ,my pixi's charge cordcover broke the piece off it that holds it closed,I chatted w palm via palm help on the phone via chat and they are sending one 3-5 days
May 21 15:43:52 <hotdp> ok
May 21 15:44:02 <solix> lol
May 21 15:44:36 <DJNomad> hmm,I never thought of that,I will try thx
May 21 15:45:28 <hotdp> :)
May 21 15:45:51 <twbbas> I don't get why people have problems with images in the facebook app... I've never had a problem
May 21 15:45:59 <twbbas> Where exactly are you having the problem?
May 21 15:46:03 <DJNomad> the fb issue isweird its just profile pictures
May 21 15:46:11 <twbbas> oh maybe that's why
May 21 15:46:13 <twbbas> I'll test it
May 21 15:46:20 <DJNomad> images in peeps posts are shown
May 21 15:46:51 <twbbas> profile pics working fine for me
May 21 15:46:53 <twbbas> just tested
May 21 15:47:11 <DJNomad> the thumbnail that is suppose to showthe users pic is the generic one,if I go to a album all pics are black
May 21 15:47:24 <twbbas> not on my device =\
May 21 15:47:38 <twbbas> Zhephree on Twitter knows the reason why it doesn't work for some people
May 21 15:47:47 <twbbas> It was like changing http to https or something
May 21 15:48:11 <DJNomad> wow
May 21 15:48:22 <DJNomad> so basically im hit lol
May 21 15:48:48 <DJNomad> no alternatives are valid replacements either are they?
May 21 15:49:40 <DJNomad> how am I suppose to try to be the cool nerd that shows people the facebook picture of the hott chick I got to say hi to me?
May 21 15:49:54 <twbbas> ah I was able to reproduce it
May 21 15:49:57 <twbbas> I turned on
May 21 15:50:06 <twbbas> "always browse on secure connection" in my account settings on facebook
May 21 15:50:09 <twbbas> and it broke profile pics on my phone
May 21 15:50:18 <twbbas> Want me to help you turn that off on facebook?
May 21 15:50:21 <DJNomad> ohh you done that on your pc
May 21 15:50:25 <twbbas> Yes
May 21 15:50:32 <DJNomad> awesome youare the man
May 21 15:50:42 <DJNomad> yeah guide me through it if youcan
May 21 15:51:02 <twbbas> Account -> Account Settings -> Account Security -
May 21 15:51:16 <twbbas> -> Uncheck "Browse Facebook on a secure connection (https) whenever possible"
May 21 15:51:33 <DJNomad> I am decent on computers but if someone just went down that road youd be a dummy to not ask directions lol
May 21 15:51:38 <twbbas> One thing to note: It will leave you vulnerable to someone being able to hack your connection to facebook over a public wifi
May 21 15:51:49 <twbbas> :D
May 21 15:52:35 <DJNomad> yeah I realise that..thats the reason I had it on
May 21 15:52:43 <twbbas> k
May 21 15:53:08 <DJNomad> Iactually dont use public wifi so it wont be a issue with me I guess
May 21 15:53:20 <twbbas> Same but I just turned mine on now
May 21 15:53:28 <twbbas> Didn't know facebook added that
May 21 15:53:38 <DJNomad> I didnt know the https was security for wireless
May 21 15:53:52 <DJNomad> im not saying it right but you knowwhat I mean
May 21 15:54:14 <twbbas> yeah
May 21 15:54:16 <DJNomad> fb done it maybe a month ago
May 21 15:54:31 <twbbas> k
May 21 15:54:45 <DJNomad> weird thing is to play any games you have to temp switch to insecure to play them
May 21 15:55:26 <DJNomad> it hasa prompt to switch it tem for ya tho
May 21 15:55:32 <DJNomad> temp
May 21 15:55:50 <DJNomad> its weird tho,them being all over the map on the issue
May 21 15:55:55 <twbbas> oh
May 21 15:55:58 <twbbas> yeah
May 21 15:57:25 <DJNomad> thanks bro
May 21 15:57:48 <DJNomad> I was trying to doctor just for this fix
May 21 15:57:56 <twbbas> :o
May 21 15:58:03 <DJNomad> luckily it kept saying devicedisconnected
May 21 15:58:20 <DJNomad> maybe due to usb1.??
May 21 15:58:53 <DJNomad> now fix the uberkernal tarball issue
May 21 15:58:58 <DJNomad> hehe jk
May 21 16:00:17 <DJNomad> it bugs me Icant get the new,even tho I didnt see anything in the changelog...Iwant the new tho
May 21 16:00:55 <DJNomad> fatal error unable to locate tarball
May 21 16:01:17 <DJNomad> do I need to clean my tobacco pipe?
May 21 16:01:28 <DJNomad> cough a lil ?
May 21 16:01:56 <DJNomad> jk I am a lil familiar w linux so I know what it actually is
May 21 16:06:45 <Popple3> is there any (simple) way to monitor HTTP requests from my Pre 2?
May 21 16:07:23 <Popple3> Whenever I use POST the API I'm using spews HTTP 500 errors, and I want to see if it's sending the data properly
May 21 16:08:10 <phoque> Popple3, I think it'll be much easier to monitor your emulator than the device itself
May 21 16:09:10 <Popple3> phoque: For some reason ajax calls in the emulator never work for me... :/
May 21 16:09:14 <Popple3> I'll give it a go though
May 21 16:13:24 <Popple3> ok, it's working, now to monitor data transfer
May 21 16:13:26 <Popple3> thanks phoque
May 21 16:13:37 <phoque> Popple3, what OS are you on?
May 21 16:14:21 <Popple3> Mac 10.6
May 21 16:15:27 <phoque> Hm... I'd say Wireshark
May 21 16:18:08 <Popple3> phoque: "There are no interfaces on which a capture can be done." :(
May 21 16:27:22 <Popple3> there we go, permissions problem
May 21 16:42:47 <Popple3> so, I copied the exact values from the captured data in wireshark and used it for curl in a terminal, and it worked :/
May 21 16:50:26 <Popple3> w00t! Got it solved!xhr.setRequestHeader("Content-Type", "application/x-www-form-urlencoded");
May 21 16:50:41 <Popple3> thanks phoque :)
May 21 17:03:37 <halfyhaloy> interesting...
May 21 17:07:00 <halfyhaloy> webchat works in mobile ie... not well, but it does
May 21 17:29:09 <DocLee> destroyComponents does not play nicely...
May 21 17:30:28 <sugardave> yeah, I think I just ended up blasting it away with setContent("") on the thing that holds my created components
May 21 17:30:35 <sugardave> not sure how that impacts RAM, though
May 21 17:31:07 <DocLee> Apparently you can't manually remove childnodes either
May 21 18:31:35 <BigWookie> Is there already something to expose webos applications to a browser
May 21 18:33:23 <Popple3> BigWookie: What do you mean exactly? Like, embed a browser, or launch a browser?
May 21 18:33:49 <BigWookie> external http service to be opened by a browser on a nother host
May 21 18:34:29 <sugardave> for dev or for application functionality?
May 21 18:35:08 <BigWookie> functionality
May 21 18:35:51 <Popple3> anyone have any idea why I'd be getting "Error: service request: undefined" when trying to use Download Manager?
May 21 18:35:55 <sugardave> unlikely....you could probably make it listen via service if you are on wifi, but I think you're going to have issues connecting directly to a webOS device that is on the cell network
May 21 18:37:01 <BigWookie> sugardave: I know, i meant over wifi,webos3.0 can easily be streched so the size of the applicaions would make sense in a computer browser, and cell network would be possible by a reverse connection ( but thats not really relevant )
May 21 18:37:41 <NuttyBunny> BigWookie: You want to "run" webOS applications in a standard browser?
May 21 18:37:43 <sugardave> BigWookie: so, with those limits, you SHOULD be able to make a node.js service (in webOS 2.x and beyond) that listens to whatever tcp port you want
May 21 18:38:16 <BigWookie> NuttyBunny: just the interface
May 21 18:39:22 <BigWookie> sugardave: the only problem I see is being able to access the applications through the api ( didn't dive that much into it 0
May 21 18:39:58 <sugardave> oh, I see...you want to RUN existing apps that aren't necessarily yours in an arbitrary browser?  not sure you're going to be able to do that
May 21 18:40:15 <BigWookie> yap
May 21 18:40:37 <sugardave> for enyo, I know, the devs talk about running those apps in a webkit browser, but that's typically just to dev them
May 21 18:41:17 <NuttyBunny> sugardave: I was about to say that, but you know, Fight Club ;)
May 21 18:41:31 <sugardave> that one is public :)
May 21 18:41:44 <sugardave> they talked about it when they showed us enyo in November at DevDay
May 21 18:41:55 <NuttyBunny> ah, yes, you're right :D
May 21 18:42:21 <Popple3> nobody have any idea about my error? :(
May 21 18:42:26 <NuttyBunny> WARNING: flashing failed, move to failed card ... hehehe
May 21 18:42:47 <sugardave> Popple3: honestly, I've used the download manager in ONE app before
May 21 18:42:51 <sugardave> so no clue :)
May 21 18:43:44 <Popple3> damn :(
May 21 18:45:02 <Popple3> It could potentially be a general serviceRequest error
May 21 19:07:47 <Popple3> got that sorted, clever me was using file:// syntax for fileName
May 21 19:07:57 <Popple3> still not working, but I'm another step forward
May 21 19:30:45 <Popple3> blah, it was the emulator
May 21 19:31:02 <Popple3> works on device, except now it's failing on HTTP Basic Auth :(
May 21 19:49:29 <sugardave> 5.25 hours until the end times...should I stay sober?
May 21 19:49:48 <NuttyBunny> it's ar 6pm?
May 21 19:49:51 <NuttyBunny> at
May 21 19:49:59 <sugardave> that's what that guy said
May 21 19:50:07 <Popple3> what time zone?
May 21 19:50:12 <Popple3> :P
May 21 19:50:21 <sugardave> well, he's in the CA Bay Area, so PST
May 21 19:50:22 <sugardave> US
May 21 19:51:21 <Popple3> blah, I could be asleep and miss it all then :(
May 21 19:51:27 <NuttyBunny> Damn, I was uploading a 150Mb file over a 128kbps uplink, for 3 hours... firefox told me to restart because it had just updated and I said "yes, why not?"... argh
May 21 19:51:57 <sugardave> Popple3: you won't miss it...huge worldwide earthquakes and anyone who has ever died will be thrust from the earth.  It will probably wake you up
May 21 19:52:14 <Popple3> sugardave: I dunno, I'm a pretty heavy sleeper
May 21 19:52:39 <sugardave> well, if you miss it, I'm sure there will be some footage on youtube you can check out tomorrow
May 21 19:53:51 <Popple3> ah, not too bad so
May 21 19:53:52 <Popple3> :P
May 21 19:56:42 <Popple3> I wonder should I battle this problem with basic auth and download manager if, like, you know, the rapture and all
May 21 19:57:21 <sugardave> hmm, I don't know...but I have a Whataburger to devour
May 21 20:06:31 * haeffb_ is going to sit on the couch and watch TV the rest of the day. No point in being productive until the Rapture happens/doesn't
May 21 20:28:21 <Popple3> I'm an idiot.... The emulator wasn't working because that file is on my Pre, not the emulator -__-
May 21 20:29:31 <sugardave> it's not even that late over there right now is it? :D
May 21 20:39:34 <Popple3> sugardave: 9:35pm, so I've been up about 10 hours now
May 21 20:40:18 <Popple3> my problem still isn't solved though. I'm not getting any errors anymore, but my image isn't uploading :(
May 21 20:40:30 <Popple3> meanwhile, popcorn!
May 21 20:44:26 <haeffb> so, my tcr website server has 20,000+ emails that are clogging it up. How can I delete all 20k at once?
May 21 20:44:58 <halfhalo> no idea... but tis canvas time for me!
May 21 20:46:26 <haeffb> will it hurt if I just FTP and delete files from the /mail folders?
May 21 22:37:41 <thor968> Hi all ...
May 21 22:38:10 <thor968> I want to replace the key mate in my UK Pre 2 with a German one, where can I look for patching webOS 2.1 that it will change the layout? If possible I would prefer a patch, instead of using a MetaDoctor. Thanks a lot.
May 21 22:46:04 <DocLee> You can probably just change the language to German
May 21 22:47:13 <thor968> @DocLee: No, that's not working.  The language is German, but the keyboard US.
May 22 00:13:49 <madnificent> thor968: it was possible to change the layout on the Pre-, it seems reasonably to believe that this hasn't changed
May 22 00:15:57 <sugardave> int
May 22 00:39:27 <oil> catshirt is totally not what i saw when i first read that
May 22 00:41:30 <twbbas> heh
May 22 00:45:11 <madnificent> odd, my pre2 doesnt seem to sign in to google talk.  It shows offline, but when I try to select a different status for that account, is says the account is in the status 'away' (same when I select a different one) any ideas?
May 22 00:47:12 <madnificent> also: if anyone reads this and has an idea later on, feel free to /msg me
May 22 00:54:21 <NuttyBunny> madnificent: reboot it, or novaterm to it and kill imlibpurpletransport
May 22 00:55:10 <NuttyBunny> that thing tends to hand quite frequently :@
May 22 01:23:19 <dawm_> um..
May 22 01:23:33 <dawm_> 6113 downloads in 1 day
May 22 01:23:41 <dawm_> 2966 updates/restores
May 22 01:23:49 <dawm_> 3147 failed transactions ?
May 22 01:23:54 <dawm_> wth
May 22 01:25:00 <twbbas> The 18th?
May 22 01:25:13 <dawm_> yeh
May 22 01:25:17 <twbbas> Same with the rest of us
May 22 01:25:23 <twbbas> like high #s then
May 22 01:25:24 <dawm_> fail
May 22 01:28:55 <Tibfib> dawm_: we've been told those numbers are artificially inflated
May 22 01:29:19 <dawm_> i knew that, but why are they always toying with the stats..
May 22 01:29:34 <oil> for fun?
May 22 01:29:49 <Tibfib> to mess with you?
May 22 01:30:18 <dawm_> or cheat me out of more money
May 22 01:30:35 <dawm_> still never got credited the 50% off sale apps that cleared after the promotion was over
May 22 01:30:55 <Tibfib> that's lame
May 22 01:31:02 <dawm_> payments that cleared after, didnt get the palm credit
May 22 01:31:24 <dawm_> its pocket change (as far as the sales reports state) but still
May 22 01:32:04 <dawm_> hrm my phone hasnt updated emails at all today..
May 22 01:33:17 <twbbas> Mine sometimes does that. It's pretty annoying
May 22 01:34:56 <dawm_> heh
May 22 01:35:01 <dawm_> someone explain this to me
May 22 01:35:02 <dawm_> http://www.woot.com/
May 22 01:35:07 <dawm_> HD LED Display and Edge-to-Edge Glass
May 22 01:35:15 <dawm_> i clearly see a border around the screen
May 22 01:36:01 <Loudergood> glass != screen
May 22 01:36:05 * oil has 2 xerox x-glass monitors
May 22 01:36:16 <oil> they've got a plate of glass over the front
May 22 01:36:28 <dohtem> dawm_: you are confusing glass with screen
May 22 01:36:34 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: trying, but I doubt it has ever worked for me on the Pre2
May 22 01:36:44 <dawm_> nah its bad marketing :P
May 22 01:38:14 <madnificent> NuttyBunny: ok, booting up the app right after rebooting does make it work, thanks for the hint!
May 22 01:40:25 <dawm_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY
May 22 02:17:13 <gregr> I am trying to develop a pdk application, I see from the logs that it crashed but there is nothing in /var/minicores, anyone know where my crash report is?
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