**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 23 02:59:58 2011
May 23 04:34:18 <PatrickC> hey all
May 23 07:19:52 <swisstomcat> morning
May 23 07:20:30 <hotdp> Good morning
May 23 07:20:49 <SineOt> morning
May 23 07:29:27 <swisstomcat> morning
May 23 08:40:09 <hotdp> swisstomcat: will it be possible to buy a touch bad as dev device?
May 23 08:47:18 <swisstomcat> hotdp: i don't know (yet)
May 23 08:47:27 <hotdp> Oki
May 23 08:47:37 <hotdp> Because its kind of whats holding back my apps
May 23 08:51:52 <SineOt> I'd imagine it would be, I don't see why they wouldn't offer that
May 23 08:52:06 <SineOt> I imagine that the veer isn't an option because of the 6 month deal with ATT
May 23 08:52:20 <SineOt> but the Touchpad Wifi won't have any such restrictions
May 23 08:53:52 <oil> saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJbAT1wzS8U made me think of SineOt
May 23 08:54:06 <hotdp> SineOt: but when? :D
May 23 08:54:14 <hotdp> i would like to have a app ready for lunch
May 23 08:54:24 <SineOt> Probably when they launch it!
May 23 08:54:30 <hotdp> oil: why?
May 23 08:55:14 <oil> ponies?
May 23 08:57:08 <hotdp> SineOt: but then it wont be ready for release date :s
May 23 08:57:25 <SineOt> oil: it's awesome
May 23 08:57:34 <SineOt> hotdp: I think that's what Early Access is for!
May 23 08:57:37 <oil> haha
May 23 08:57:45 <hotdp> have you read: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/23/hp-thinks-the-touchpad-will-be-better-than-number-one-if-that/
May 23 08:57:50 <hotdp> bestests!
May 23 08:58:59 <oil> he said number one plus
May 23 08:59:03 <SineOt> Ahaha. Yeah, I think if HP can force the price lower on the TouchPad they'd have something absolutely killer
May 23 08:59:05 <oil> isn't that number 2?
May 23 08:59:32 <SineOt> We've been looking at Tablets lately as a gift for my girlfriend but man, the market REALLY sucks
May 23 08:59:49 <SineOt> The only real options are like, the iPad and the EEE Pad Transformer
May 23 09:00:07 <SineOt> and the Transformer is really only an option because it's 399
May 23 09:01:16 <SineOt> but even that gets its ass kicked because you can get a 16gb iPad 1 for like 349 right now :/
May 23 09:01:33 <hotdp> the price will be the same as ipad 2
May 23 09:01:40 <hotdp> i am 99% sure
May 23 09:01:46 <hotdp> "because they have e better product"
May 23 09:02:05 <SineOt> of course, but that's the price at launch. I wouldn't be surprised to see HP pretty aggressively lower prices after the launch
May 23 09:02:27 <SineOt> or by introducing that rumored Opal 7 inch tablet that priced it lower
May 23 09:03:49 <SineOt> if HP wants to be better than number one, the quickest way to do that is having something killer and pair it with a killer price
May 23 09:04:00 * oil would want one of each
May 23 09:07:21 <hotdp> when in jun do you think they will release?
May 23 09:07:25 <hotdp> midt?
May 23 09:07:26 <hotdp> start
May 23 09:07:27 <hotdp> end?
May 23 09:15:28 <SineOt> PERSONALLY my guess is on the second week
May 23 09:15:33 <hotdp> oiki
May 23 09:15:34 <SineOt> but that's just me guessing
May 23 09:15:48 <hotdp> i nkow :d
May 23 09:17:00 <SineOt> it may be the end
May 23 09:19:28 <SineOt> Oh hey new Gaga today :T
May 23 09:25:07 <hotdp> new gaga?
May 23 15:17:12 * NuttyBunny walks in, looks around, and takes cover
May 23 15:18:07 <cwayne> NuttyBunny: HEY
May 23 15:21:30 <NuttyBunny> hey!
May 23 15:29:48 * NuttyBunny looks for Pixi victims...
May 23 15:31:15 * cwayne just wants a touchpad
May 23 15:34:52 * NuttyBunny trades his Pixi for a Touchpad
May 23 15:35:07 <halfhalo-sick> steals said touchpad
May 23 15:35:29 * NuttyBunny *wants* to trade his Pixi for a Touchpad
May 23 15:35:30 <NuttyBunny> :P
May 23 15:36:07 * halfhalo-sick steals that want and sells it on ebay for touchpad
May 23 15:37:22 <NuttyBunny> hahahaha
May 23 15:37:33 <halfhalo-sick> I have no idea what my current phone number is... its a temp one until the sprint one is switched, but I need it to switch the sprint number.... interesting...
May 23 15:37:57 <NuttyBunny> can't you dial with the temp number?
May 23 15:38:48 <halfhalo-sick> yes, but the only other phone I know the number to is currently booting up veeeeerrryyyyy slowly
May 23 15:39:42 <halfhalo-sick> I do happen to have 4 phones on me right now as well
May 23 15:39:50 <halfhalo-sick> only two have active lines
May 23 15:41:33 <halfhalo-sick> I will say I am very impressed with windows phone 7
May 23 15:51:43 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo-sick: does the slow booting phone is, by any chance, a webOS phone? :D
May 23 15:51:54 <halfhalo-sick> no, suprisingly
May 23 15:51:59 <halfhalo-sick> Epic 4G
May 23 15:53:33 <NuttyBunny> hah, that is, actually, quite conforting :)
May 23 15:54:03 <NuttyBunny> my Pre2 takes almost 5 minutes to boot... and even after it shows Luna it's still doing synergy stuff for several more minutes :S
May 23 15:54:53 <hotdp> dont restart your phone?
May 23 15:55:56 <Loudergood> that's a long time
May 23 15:58:54 <NuttyBunny> hotdp: I have to restart it, yesterday I got a Too Many Cards error.. on a Pre 2... the second time I got it on a 16Mb dev (last time was about 4 months ago on a Plus)
May 23 16:01:26 <halfhalo-sick> gogogadgetdataplandowngrade
May 23 16:06:49 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo-sick:isthatlikethekonamicodeoryourspacebarisbroken?
May 23 16:07:07 <halfhalo-sick> soldspacebarfordrugs
May 23 16:07:39 <NuttyBunny> youshouldselltheepicinsteadyoullgetmoremoneythanforjustthespacebar
May 23 16:08:14 <NuttyBunny> argh.. my eyes hurt... I promise to not sell my space bar :)
May 23 16:08:16 <halfhalo-sick> bah
May 23 16:22:12 <dwc-> I've gotten too many cards on my pre2 a few times in the past couple of months
May 23 16:22:24 <dwc-> surely less than all those older devices, but still
May 23 16:31:03 <bemjb> I've maybe seen TMC on my pre2 once
May 23 16:31:26 <bemjb> It is possible that one of the apps you are using doesn't properly stop it's listeners when it's closed
May 23 16:31:40 <bemjb> that is a common cause of memory leaks in Mojo apps
May 23 16:31:53 <dwc-> am I the only one that has the top-right menu bar stop responding
May 23 16:32:01 <bemjb> nope. happens to me, too.
May 23 16:32:04 <dwc-> or does that reason-for-reboots annoy other people too
May 23 16:32:13 <dawm__> ooooohhh.. one plus
May 23 16:32:15 <dawm__> .. wth
May 23 16:32:20 <bemjb> dude, I have so many reasons for reboots...
May 23 16:32:36 <dwc-> heh
May 23 16:32:41 * bemjb is tired of beta testing webos 2.x
May 23 16:32:46 * maik too
May 23 16:33:35 <maik> my reason for reboot is "oh, looks like either uberkernel or 2.1 is breaking things again, time to reboot"
May 23 16:33:46 * halfhalo-sick walks by with a basket of fish
May 23 16:34:03 <dwc-> feeding the masses?
May 23 16:34:12 * maik tosses some egg, flour and hot oil on halfhalo-sick's basket
May 23 16:34:31 * dwc- wonders if the fish made halfhalo sick
May 23 16:34:56 * maik wonders if the "sick" made halfhalo fish
May 23 16:35:16 <halfhalo-sick> nofishforyou!
May 23 16:35:26 <maik> fish nazi?
May 23 16:35:33 * halfhalo-sick was sick due to many things, but not fish.  but he has the coke's now, so he's all good
May 23 16:35:53 <maik> oh, caffeine sounds so good right now
May 23 16:36:28 <maik> any of you guys Django fiends?
May 23 16:37:03 <halfhalo-sick> nope
May 23 16:38:07 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, pixi victims? :)
May 23 16:39:38 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: Now it seems like no one wants to put 2.1 on their Pixies, who understands people??  Did they really wanted a mystical one word command that would do ALL the work for them??! :@
May 23 16:40:19 <Hendikins> Yes.
May 23 16:40:28 <Hendikins> That is exactly what they wanted.
May 23 16:40:28 <RagingMind> there's a pixi here that's waiting to try it
May 23 16:43:32 <Hendikins> Hey, we're on Vulture Central: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/23/hp_says_touchpad_will_be_number_one_plus/
May 23 17:26:23 <Hendikins> And whilst I think of it, I wonder if I could deal with the AT&T unlocking of a Veer by simply asking them, since I don't live in and will probably never use the phone in the USA.
May 23 17:27:46 <NuttyBunny> Hendikins: If you buy it off-contract, there's a pretty good chance that they give you the code
May 23 17:27:59 <hotdp> Hendikins: are you from eu?
May 23 17:28:04 <Hendikins> hotdp: AU
May 23 17:28:11 <hotdp> Because there 3g is different
May 23 17:28:16 <RagingMind> I've heard that they do it sometimes for people that say they are traveling out of the country
May 23 17:28:16 * halfhalo-sick points out this is ATT we are talking about.... the soul sucking monster from hell
May 23 17:28:20 <Hendikins> NuttyBunny: Well I'm not exactly going to buy it on a contract...
May 23 17:28:32 <Hendikins> halfhalo-sick: They can't be worse than Telstra.
May 23 17:28:44 * RagingMind misses Alltel
May 23 17:28:48 <Hendikins> hotdp: I specifically require the AT&T Veer, Telstra uses 850/2100MHz.
May 23 17:29:01 <hotdp> oki :)
May 23 17:29:14 <hotdp> i just know i had to make the comm board switch here in eu
May 23 17:29:42 <Hendikins> I'd get some other Veer if I used Optus or Vodafone, which are 900/2100MHz networks.
May 23 17:31:11 <Hendikins> Australia and New Zealand are unusual, in that UMTS 850 and 900 are both deployed.
May 23 17:31:30 <hotdp> i see
May 23 17:31:35 <Hendikins> (Telecom NZ uses 850, Vodafone NZ uses 900)
May 23 17:31:46 <hotdp> but should rwhitby not do it?
May 23 17:31:57 <Hendikins> Do what?
May 23 17:33:14 <hotdp> comm board switch
May 23 17:33:36 <Hendikins> I guess it would depend on what he wants to do.
May 23 17:33:57 <hotdp> donnu
May 23 17:34:05 <hotdp> just know he did it and that he is from au :)
May 23 17:34:12 <hotdp> and it was only fyi
May 23 17:34:21 <Hendikins> Since the Veer does 2100, it wouldn't be absolutely mandatory.
May 23 17:34:22 <bemjb> ATT actually tends to be nicer about unlocking than one might think
May 23 17:34:36 <bemjb> my friend got her pixi unlocked just by telling them she was travelling to thailand
May 23 17:35:07 <Hendikins> bemjb: So you reckon if I called from Australia and said "A mate sent me a HP Veer but it is locked to your network, would I be able to get it unlocked?" I'd have a hope of it happening?
May 23 17:35:42 <bemjb> Hendikins: there's a chance. admittedly, they may care less since you're not under contract with them and paying them money
May 23 17:35:54 <bemjb> Hendikins: but I'd say it's worth a try
May 23 17:36:16 <RagingMind> how do you unlock? it doesn't need to be done instore by a rep?
May 23 17:36:24 <Hendikins> bemjb: Well the most I have to lose is about a buck on the phone call.
May 23 17:36:35 <bemjb> I think they give you an unlock code
May 23 17:36:51 <bemjb> but I didn't ask my friend how it worked with her pixi
May 23 17:37:10 <bemjb> with friends that have gotten ATT to unlock phones in the past, they just give the unlock code
May 23 17:37:43 <Hendikins> I'm guessing the main reason I'd have a chance is that being in .au, they're not going to get any money out of me either way.
May 23 17:38:09 <Hendikins> Although being cooperative might mean that I'd use their services should I travel to the US at some point in the future.
May 23 17:43:21 <LoneStar99> g.morning folks
May 23 17:43:39 <NuttyBunny> mornin
May 23 17:46:19 <Hendikins> bemjb: The other option (which I might try as well) is to have the guy I'm getting it off call them ("I'm sending this to Australia...")
May 23 17:49:30 <bemjb> Hendikins: I'd do that first, since he paid for it/etc, so he has a relationship with them already. And it might work better if he says that he's travelling to australia
May 23 17:49:50 <bemjb> Hendikins: don't know how thrilled they are about resales
May 23 17:50:26 <Hendikins> bemjb: Gift much? :P
May 23 17:53:29 <bemjb> Hendikins: That's a nice gift. :-)
May 23 17:54:17 <Hendikins> bemjb: They don't need to know that I gifted the guy who is sending it enough money to buy the phone, a Simon Malls prepaid Visa, a couple of touchstones and a Dell server part and ship them all over. :P
May 23 17:54:56 <bemjb> Hendikins: heh. I don't think they even need to know that he isn't the user of the phone. :-)
May 23 17:55:11 <Hendikins> Well he doesn't have an AT&T account.
May 23 17:56:13 <bemjb> you know, he could try asking the reps in the store when he buys it
May 23 17:56:23 <bemjb> they tend to be more open about these things than the phone reps
May 23 17:56:40 <bemjb> it is possible they can give him some tips on getting it unlocked
May 23 17:56:51 <Hendikins> Being bought from Amazon Wireless.
May 23 17:57:25 <bemjb> he could still take it into a store
May 23 18:00:08 * Hendikins nods, ponders.
May 23 18:00:21 <Hendikins> Problem might be finding a store that has even heard of the Veer.
May 23 18:00:30 <Hendikins> (If the forum is anything to go by)
May 23 18:02:58 * halfhalo-sick was at an att store recently... was interesting
May 23 18:05:26 * halfhalo-sick needs to go to the bank... hmmm
May 23 18:21:12 <dawm__> http://youtu.be/iuEMjz5SUgA
May 23 18:21:13 <dawm__> LOL
May 23 18:39:44 <NuttyBunny> who wants to kill me?
May 23 18:42:20 <Hendikins> Too much effort.
May 23 18:42:43 <NuttyBunny> hehehe... grrr... I think... I made a huuuuuuuuuge mistake...
May 23 18:43:01 <NuttyBunny> it seems as if the pixi image is wrong
May 23 18:43:05 <Hendikins> I've got a pack of wolves, would that help? http://fuzzy.wolfoxpa.ws/IMG_6343.jpg
May 23 18:58:49 <NuttyBunny> they look like a pack of nuttybunnies :P
May 23 18:59:41 <dohtem> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/05/new-to-developer-device-program-hp-veer-for-att/ <- $280 Veer for devs
May 23 19:00:31 <Hendikins> NuttyBunny: Oh they're wolves alright... :P
May 23 19:00:39 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
May 23 19:01:37 <Hendikins> I had the four pack and two of their big brothers show up yesterday.
May 23 19:03:28 <Hendikins> This being one of the two: http://fuzzy.wolfoxpa.ws/IMG_6346.jpg
May 23 19:06:48 <RagingMind> Hendikins, they are cute, but keeping them in a plastic bag kinda makes it look... disturbingly sad
May 23 19:07:25 <RagingMind> but my mood was just significantly altered by a reddit thread
May 23 19:07:28 <Hendikins> RagingMind: They just hadn't been unpacked at that point.
May 23 19:19:35 <leiru> \o/
May 23 19:20:16 <haeffb_pre> leiru: in the cat!
May 23 19:20:29 <leiru> i hope my colleugues will not blame me on webOSConnect - my company will send some other guys too :)
May 23 19:20:35 <leiru> haeffb_pre: wtf?
May 23 19:21:07 <haeffb_pre> isn't that your app? or am I confused?
May 23 19:21:09 <leiru> am i featured?
May 23 19:21:39 <aurash91> do any of you guys have the linphone ipk?
May 23 19:22:04 <leiru> haeffb_pre: that overstyled thing that makes no money? that's mine :)
May 23 19:26:22 <leiru> hm
May 23 19:26:29 <leiru> something wrong with the youtube link
May 23 19:26:33 <leiru> mah
May 23 19:26:43 <leiru> or with the webOS youtube player
May 23 19:26:51 <leiru> plays zoomed just in landscape
May 23 19:27:44 <leiru> grml
May 23 19:29:22 <leiru> ah, i can zoom out, but not change to portrait
May 23 19:32:41 <sugardave> haha, Ben just told the whole team the wrong twitter account for me...poor guy :D
May 23 19:36:35 <hotdp> #fail
May 23 19:39:20 <leiru> haeffb_pre: it's definetly cool to have done such a project, but the API owners had several things that they didn't want, so we had to make an update. and the selling runs slowly, really slowly.
May 23 19:40:27 <haeffb_pre> all selling is going really slowly right now, I think...
May 23 19:49:02 <NuttyBunny> damn damn damn
May 23 19:49:04 <NuttyBunny> cya
May 23 19:59:06 <hotdp> Hmm
May 23 19:59:11 <hotdp> the Device program
May 23 19:59:13 <hotdp> VEER
May 23 19:59:21 <hotdp> Is it also for EU=
May 23 19:59:22 <hotdp> ?
May 23 20:02:21 <graywolf336> got a question for anyone... why would an audio app will work on pre's but won't work at all on the pixi's?
May 23 20:04:36 <LoneStar99> graywolf336:  what version of webos is the pixi running/
May 23 20:04:37 <LoneStar99> ?
May 23 20:05:14 <LoneStar99> had an audio issue with audio not working on 1.4.5 devices
May 23 20:20:54 <leiru> haeffb_pre: everything will be better with enyo. i hope.
May 23 20:34:05 <fudge_> hey all, i am really in a tight spot here, and i need to flash my pixi over to another carrier. can anyone assist me in doing so? i do not care if i brick my phone as its just an old one that has been lying under my bed for the past 2 months.
May 23 20:36:08 <fudge_> i want to switch to metropcs
May 23 20:45:29 <dohtem> Tibfib_uk: how's the otherside of the pond?
May 23 20:50:13 <sugardave> Tibfib_uk: 'ello guv-nuh
May 23 20:50:19 <sugardave> mind the gap
May 23 20:51:31 <sugardave> chuqui: MAKE ME ORANGE!!
May 23 20:52:03 <chuqui> sugardave: <waves wand> you are an orange. Valencia or juice?
May 23 20:52:12 <dohtem> Florida!
May 23 20:52:23 <sugardave> Blood
May 23 20:52:45 <chuqui> sugardave:  I like your style. welcome aboard, sucker!
May 23 20:53:13 <dohtem> chuqui: promise us there will be a newbie hazing! PROMISE US!
May 23 20:53:26 <sugardave> only if they do it in my office :)
May 23 20:53:44 <chuqui> dohtem: I will bide my time. it's better if they stop waiting for it.
May 23 20:53:49 <sugardave> haha
May 23 20:53:56 <fudge_> :3
May 23 20:54:10 <dohtem> lol a 10 year window.  It will come but you dont know when
May 23 20:54:54 <chuqui> I once held off a hazing until two years after the poor sap left the company.
May 23 20:55:06 <chuqui> I get to petition to have the court order removed in another year, too!
May 23 20:55:19 <sugardave> nice!  The Spanish Inquisition method..I like it
May 23 20:56:02 <Tibfib_uk_> sugardave: howdy!
May 23 20:56:26 <Tibfib_uk> I've got a pretty crappy internet connection so I may be gone soon
May 23 20:56:32 <Tibfib_uk> and I also could be talking to myself right now
May 23 20:56:32 <sugardave> yeah, it looks that way :)
May 23 20:57:06 * haeffb_pre does that a lot
May 23 20:57:32 <sugardave> Tibfib_uk: what are you doing in the UK?
May 23 20:57:41 <haeffb_pre> sugardave: how is it working for The Man again?
May 23 20:58:01 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: haha, great so far, I don't have to do anything yet :D
May 23 20:58:08 <sugardave> will change soon...
May 23 20:58:08 <haeffb_pre> after your recent atint of self-unemployment?
May 23 20:58:17 <haeffb_pre> stint
May 23 20:58:24 <Tibfib_uk> sugardave: my "mum" is taking a group of students on study abroad. I'm tagging along
May 23 20:58:27 <haeffb_pre> so, the same...?
May 23 20:58:30 <sugardave> at least I got another job before the world ended
May 23 20:58:35 <sugardave> haeffb_pre: pretty much! :P
May 23 20:58:59 <sugardave> Tibfib_uk: cool, ever been there before?  It's fun
May 23 20:59:16 <Tibfib_uk> I have not
May 23 20:59:23 <dohtem> Tibfib_uk: blow that student group, hop on the underground and explore
May 23 21:00:11 <sugardave> yes
May 23 21:00:12 <sugardave> do that
May 23 21:05:36 <Tibfib_uk> well I'm getting pretty good at loggin into this webchat client
May 23 21:05:48 <sugardave> haha
May 23 21:05:50 <Tibfib_uk> dohtem: ditching isn't much of an option
May 23 21:06:13 <Tibfib_uk> unfortunately my mom teaches interior design so the stuff we are doing doesn't always interest me
May 23 21:06:47 <sugardave> you don't say...
May 23 21:07:04 <Loudergood> I'm shocked.
May 23 21:07:29 <sugardave> though that does explain a bit about your good UI design skills :)
May 23 21:07:30 <Tibfib_uk> but. That means nearly all of the students going are girls.
May 23 21:07:37 <sugardave> bonus!
May 23 21:07:38 <dohtem> haha sugardave
May 23 21:07:45 <Tibfib_uk> sugardave: haha :)
May 23 21:07:55 <dohtem> aren't they much older than you?
May 23 21:08:13 <dohtem> plus, they'll probably be looking for Hugh Grant sounding brits
May 23 21:08:27 <Tibfib_uk> shmeh what's 5 years when you are in the (third?) city of love
May 23 21:08:42 <dohtem> statutory rape?
May 23 21:08:44 <dohtem> j/k
May 23 21:09:32 <Tibfib_uk> well this was a pleasant conversation until dohtem killed it
May 23 21:09:41 <dohtem> haha, my bad
May 23 21:10:05 <Tibfib_uk> haha ;P
May 23 21:27:11 <Tibfib_uk> hmm, dunno if I'm still connected... adios everyone
May 23 23:26:44 <cxreg> number one plus?  really?
May 23 23:26:56 <cxreg> gee, they'll never regret those words
May 23 23:27:54 <bpadalino> sure, like how 9th = 1 + 8 .. so 1 + .. they just don't know the other number yet
May 23 23:29:30 <cxreg> *snort*
May 23 23:41:51 <kesne> howwwwdy
May 23 23:44:50 <LoneStar99> hello kesne
May 23 23:46:57 <sugardave> apparently androirc is even worse than wirc
May 23 23:47:50 <Loudergood> that's the impression that I've gotten
May 23 23:56:37 <haeffb> everything is worse than wirc
May 23 23:56:45 <haeffb> except wirc, which is the worst.
May 23 23:56:52 <haeffb> hi, oil.
May 23 23:57:17 <Loudergood> seriously, it's almost as bad as spaz
May 23 23:59:23 <rwhitby> Hendikins: FYI, no such thing as a comms board swap for the Veer
May 23 23:59:35 <haeffb> one Veer to another?
May 23 23:59:49 <sugardave> I'm gonna get ya?
May 23 23:59:50 <bpadalino> is the veer more than one board ?
May 24 00:00:14 <rwhitby> I've taken a Veer apart, and I cannot see any way to swap anything.
May 24 00:00:34 <rwhitby> I'll post some pictures this weekend.
May 24 00:00:40 <bpadalino> neat
May 24 00:01:49 <haeffb> this is a public service announcement: If anyone has a need for an electric smoker, http://www.masterbuilt.com 's customer service is second to none.
May 24 00:02:09 <haeffb> (and I don't know why everyone wouldn't have a need for an electric smoker)
May 24 00:02:49 * haeffb cancelling service for my Sprint aircard
May 24 00:05:53 <haeffb> turns out all their representatives are assisting other customers
May 24 00:06:41 <rwhitby> the other customers are far more important than you
May 24 00:12:01 <haeffb> that goes without saying, but thanks for saying it. :)
May 24 00:16:50 <sugardave> haeffb: don't need the aircard anymore?
May 24 00:18:06 <haeffb> not with freeTether
May 24 00:18:36 <haeffb> the aircard used to be my home internet access, but now I have fiber
May 24 00:18:36 <sugardave> ah, good plan
May 24 00:18:51 <haeffb> so, $60 a month... not so much.
May 24 00:19:00 <sugardave> yeah
May 24 00:19:11 <haeffb> got that netflix app done yet?
May 24 00:19:15 <sugardave> any news on office re-location or anything like that?
May 24 00:19:38 * sugardave can't say what he might or might not be working on.
May 24 00:19:52 <haeffb> no news yet. The MHTC (highway commission) *might* vote on the plan on June 8. or might push it off for a while.
May 24 00:20:10 <haeffb> NDA's suck.
May 24 00:20:33 <sugardave> yes, it is the price of being near the cool shit :D
May 24 00:20:34 <haeffb> I'd say "Screw this job" and tell everyone what I'm working on. But that's just me.
May 24 00:20:56 <haeffb> "near" isn't close enough...
May 24 00:21:58 <sugardave> my cousin is already hounding me for HP employee discounts.  Dude, I JUST started today!
May 24 00:21:59 <haeffb> I had some time to work on coding stuff yesterday, but lacked motivation. Watched a movie instead. I suck.
May 24 00:22:18 <sugardave> the most recent code I worked on was helping doc with a forum problem he posted
May 24 00:23:18 <haeffb> nice.
May 24 00:23:56 <haeffb> If I'd wanted to put my aircard on a "standby" status, they'd only have charged me $9 a month
May 24 00:25:21 <sugardave> a bargain!
May 24 00:26:02 <haeffb> wait. I can give you $10 a month for...nothing? SIgn me up yesterday!
May 24 00:35:09 <haeffb> damn. Forget to cancel TEP for my frankenPre2
May 24 00:39:49 <PatrickC> hey all
May 24 00:42:37 <haeffb> so, Masterbuilt completely replaced my smoker. Even though it was a full year beyond the 1-year warranty.
May 24 00:42:49 <sugardave> nice
May 24 00:42:53 <haeffb> And then sent a retrofit kit for the new smoker when I had a small problem with it.
May 24 00:43:20 <haeffb> best customer service experience ever. Not sure how they can stay in business.
May 24 00:43:55 <haeffb> oh, and the smoker f'in rocks, too. makes some great stuff.
May 24 00:44:35 <sugardave> I had a wood smoker once, but I was bad at it
May 24 00:45:55 <haeffb> it doesn't get any easier than this: http://masterbuilt.com/prod-smokers-digital.html
May 24 00:46:56 <haeffb> or cheaper than this: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=prod1180971&navAction=
May 24 00:47:15 <sugardave> nice
May 24 00:48:20 <haeffb> and, if it breaks, they might ship you a new one... :)
May 24 00:49:11 <haeffb> I was on the phone with their CS - they said "your heating element has a 1-year warranty, but we'll extend it to 2 years if you have ProofOfPurchase"
May 24 00:49:17 * PatrickC got to drive some!! :D
May 24 00:49:25 <haeffb> I said, "I don't think I have a receipt"
May 24 00:49:38 <Loudergood> yeah it never hurts to try that
May 24 00:49:53 <Loudergood> I got a free mouse from logitech that way before
May 24 00:49:55 <haeffb> They said, "where'd you buy it". I said "Sams Club." They said, "Call them, they'll print you a receipt up to two years later.
May 24 00:50:14 <haeffb> PatrickC: awesome. Run into anything?
May 24 00:50:32 <PatrickC> nope
May 24 00:50:43 <Loudergood> I had an exciting car accident today
May 24 00:50:58 <haeffb> so, their CS rep told me how to go about getting what I needed to get it replaced. Would AT&T or Sprint do that?
May 24 00:51:00 <PatrickC> went around the cul-de-sac a few times, and drove down the street a little
May 24 00:51:07 <PatrickC> Loudergood: lol
May 24 00:51:09 <Loudergood> Turned the key, and POW the airbag went off in my face.
May 24 00:51:14 <haeffb> ouch!
May 24 00:51:30 <PatrickC> dang
May 24 00:51:31 <Loudergood> thankfully I'm not short
May 24 00:51:37 <PatrickC> lol
May 24 00:51:42 <Loudergood> so it just slapped my chin
May 24 00:52:01 <Loudergood> scared the crap out of me though
May 24 00:52:07 * PatrickC likes driving a car better then a van
May 24 00:52:17 <haeffb> and, on the bright side, now you get to sue the manufacturer...
May 24 00:52:31 <Loudergood> it's a 23 year old volvo
May 24 00:52:32 <PatrickC> haha
May 24 00:52:32 <PatrickC> it would scare the crap out of me too :P
May 24 00:52:41 <Loudergood> I don't think there's much I can do
May 24 00:52:47 <haeffb> volvo has deep pockets
May 24 00:53:13 <PatrickC> yeah
May 24 00:54:06 <haeffb> my philosophy is "Never sue the guy that's broke"
May 24 00:54:10 <PatrickC> what happened before you parked?
May 24 00:54:25 <PatrickC> haeffb: lol
May 24 00:56:01 * PatrickC is looking for an Underwriter for his radio station app.
May 24 00:56:13 <PatrickC> anyone interested? PM if interested.
May 24 00:56:24 <PatrickC> s/if interested/for more info/
May 24 00:56:44 <Loudergood> I went down a kind of rough road, and gave up and turned around
May 24 00:56:50 * haeffb is interested, but not enough to proceed with PM's
May 24 00:56:53 <Loudergood> then I drove for probably another 40 miles today
May 24 00:57:25 <PatrickC> haeffb: want more info?
May 24 00:57:49 <haeffb> not sure I'm that interested, either.
May 24 00:58:04 <PatrickC> that's fine. :)
May 24 00:58:06 <haeffb> more like, "What's an underwriter do?" interested.
May 24 00:58:31 <PatrickC> ah.. well
May 24 00:59:20 <PatrickC> an underwriter would give the church something like $100-200 a month to help run the station
May 24 00:59:20 <haeffb> ...and, I've been drinking again, so you may not want me involved even to that level...
May 24 00:59:30 <PatrickC> and in exchange,  I (the app dev) would put something like "This app is underwritten by _Fill in the blank_"
May 24 00:59:38 <PatrickC> lol
May 24 01:00:19 <haeffb> I think my deal with Sprint was better.
May 24 01:00:40 <PatrickC> huh?
May 24 01:01:02 <haeffb> They only wanted $10 a month for nothing.
May 24 01:02:22 <PatrickC> lol
May 24 01:02:37 <PatrickC> bbl.. gotta go do something..
May 24 01:02:53 <PatrickC> if I go offline...
May 24 01:03:05 * PatrickC mumbles "Stupid Sprint.. no service"
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May 24 05:34:05 <ajay> SineOt: Maybe that'd be a good excuse to get a front-end for the slydial app (at the least), and we could split the TP.. :)
May 24 05:41:34 <SineOt> split the TouchPad? :P
May 24 05:42:27 <SineOt> how do you do that, ajay?
May 24 06:17:59 <ajay> SineOt: :)
May 24 06:18:12 <SineOt> ajay: you ship me half of a TouchPad? :P
May 24 06:18:14 <ajay> I dunno, you get the T, I get the P?
May 24 06:18:19 <SineOt> hee
May 24 06:18:44 <SineOt> Yeah, my Javascript skills aren't really up entirely for TouchPad stuff, but graphically I could probably help :p
May 24 06:19:41 <ajay> that sounds good..
May 24 06:27:36 <ajay> I just setup amazon cloud drive, why i'm not sure, but now i hope that means an app is coming.. :)
May 24 06:30:24 <ajay> damn, touchNote doesn't even have Palm/webOS as an option in their survey on where I use their app! http://www.surveymonkey.net/TouchnoteMobile
May 24 06:33:19 <ajay> Weird, they have an "Other" fill-in field, but the survey only says "Don't know" arg.
May 24 06:34:00 <SineOt> Lame.
May 24 06:34:23 <ajay> I can only complain so much about free postcards though.. ;^)
May 24 06:34:32 <ajay> Adora: Is HPalm footing the cost for all these free touchnote postcards?
May 24 06:34:55 <Adora> I'm not sure how that works, actually
May 24 06:35:10 <Adora> we're probably at least chipping in  =]
May 24 06:35:29 <ajay> k/np.. just curious.. At first i thought it was an HP app, silly me :)  Yeah I'd bet at least :)
May 24 06:35:56 <Adora> I sent one to Dieter, but I don't think he got it (at least he never told me, ass)
May 24 06:36:03 <Adora> and benfysh sent one to me, and I know I never got it
May 24 06:36:03 <ajay> haha
May 24 06:36:21 <ajay> oh.. no wonder they're free.. ;^)
May 24 06:37:24 <SineOt> I sent two!
May 24 06:37:31 <SineOt> And know that both of them got to their targets.
May 24 06:37:43 <SineOt> One of them in California and one in the United Kingdom.
May 24 06:37:55 * ajay wants to send a postcard internationally.. needs an addr.. ;|
May 24 06:38:37 <oneRock> ajay, you could send one to germany :)
May 24 06:39:22 <ajay> oneRock: I need to know the address of someone i know over there to do that tho.. ;^)
May 24 06:40:10 <ajay> so I'm not understanding this whole amazon mp3 service.. so you can "buy" mp3s through your phone, but if you lose them, you have to rebuy??  (I'm just looking to get past purchases into the clouddrive, but it isn't clear how)
May 24 06:44:24 <SineOt> IDK really! Haven't used it much
May 24 06:44:50 <SineOt> I'd imagine it's like iTunes, where if you contact service you can redownload but it's not exactly something you're supposed to do
May 24 06:45:40 <Naranek> can you log onto amazon and download the songs there?
May 24 06:48:58 <ajay> Naranek: it seems like you have to repurchase them, maybe i'm mistaken.. seems like a bug they woulda worked out by now
May 24 06:59:10 <Naranek> I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that at least in normal website purchases the songs you've bought are added for your account and you can redownload them from amazon
May 24 06:59:45 <ajay> Naranek: that would only make sense.. however.. ;^)
May 24 07:00:10 <Naranek> yeah... better contact the support
May 24 07:00:41 <ajay> It shows me purchases i have made. When I go to that song's pages, it tells me as well the date of the order.  However I don't see a way to re-download the song. I tried with some free songs, and it takes me through the whole purchase thing again, making sure to ask me if i'm sure since i already purchased it..
May 24 07:03:43 <Naranek> strange
May 24 07:04:05 <Naranek> can you use the amazon downloaderprogramthingy?
May 24 07:04:08 <ajay> not serious enough for me to have a support headache, but i am surprised that they have such an error, they're such the retailler
May 24 07:04:13 <ajay> i don't know what that is.. ;^)
May 24 07:04:51 <Naranek> I tried downloading an album, but it required the use of program. you can only download single songs as files
May 24 07:05:05 <ajay> it's for the best that i not invest too much.. (I just bought the gaga album since it was 99c and said it would give me 20gb of cloud storage.. of which i need 0, but now.. ;^)
May 24 07:05:26 <hotdp> ajay: is it worth 99c?
May 24 07:05:28 <ajay> the more i delve into this rabbit hole, the more sad i am i don't have a device to access amazon cloud player with (yet?? i hope!)
May 24 07:05:53 <ajay> hotdp: she's probably sold more veers than you, buddy.. ;^)
May 24 07:06:03 <Naranek> gaga album?! This conversation is over! :D
May 24 07:06:07 <ajay> haha
May 24 07:06:23 <ajay> Naranek: that is actually downloadable from the cloud player, so that's not what we were talking about really.. ;^)
May 24 07:06:24 <hotdp> But do you think its worth it?
May 24 07:06:49 <ajay> hotdp: i'd have to listen to it to know for sure.. my friend torrent'd the whole thing yesterday, actually.. ;^)
May 24 07:07:06 <hotdp> oki
May 24 07:07:06 <Naranek> ajay: anyway, see here about the downloader http://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/help/amd.html
May 24 07:07:23 <Naranek> there is a linux version too, but it's linked to pretty old libraries
May 24 07:07:47 <ajay> before my first purchase?  how do I spell oops, and "why didn't you guys tell me before"
May 24 07:07:52 <ajay> hm, will give it a shot
May 24 07:08:35 * ajay tries to remember if ubuntu 9.04 or debian 5 is newer, eh..
May 24 07:09:09 <ajay> oh, before downloading i didn't read that "64-bit..not supported"
May 24 07:10:42 <ajay> i don't really know how these amazon.com people managed to become so successful..
May 24 07:10:50 <Naranek> yeah. they say that they work on expanding supported distros, but the supported ubuntu is two years old...
May 24 07:12:10 <Naranek> I found a site that says the downloader will work in Wine
May 24 07:12:16 <Naranek> you might give that a shot
May 24 07:12:16 <ajay> eww
May 24 07:12:26 <ajay> and you think saying gaga is bad
May 24 07:12:36 <Naranek> :D sorry about that
May 24 07:12:40 <Naranek> should have warned first
May 24 07:15:14 <Naranek> oh well, winehq says that everything except adding to WMP works, so better get your hands dirty ;)
May 24 07:17:00 <ajay> what will amazon think of me if they see me downloading a windoze version of a program!
May 24 07:18:05 <ajay> i have no idea how to use this app..
May 24 07:18:29 <ajay> and for some reason the colors on some of my apps is all messed up.. always on wine apps, sometimes on other apps..
May 24 07:19:10 <Naranek> left-click to open menus, right-click to select menu item
May 24 07:21:39 <ajay> this app looks minimally like the picture.. maybe if my video probs didn't persist it'd be more sensible..
May 24 07:21:48 <ajay> no worries, i really don't care about amazon, just curious..!
May 24 07:22:23 <Naranek> same here... they just have some songs I haven't found anywhere else DRM free
May 24 07:22:39 <Naranek> still haven't been able to download them though :D
May 24 07:29:28 * ajay is somehow obsessed with finding free popular songs on amazon.com.. somebody stop him!
May 24 07:52:17 <ajay> okely dokely..
May 24 12:52:05 <PatrickC> morning
May 24 12:53:01 <hotdp> Good morning PatrickC
May 24 12:53:18 <PatrickC> hey hotdp
May 24 12:53:26 <PatrickC> how's it going?
May 24 12:54:23 * PatrickC wonders how many applied for the Veer discount coupon?
May 24 13:08:27 <hotdp> yer
May 24 13:08:38 <hotdp> i would like to know if we can do it here from EU
May 24 13:08:44 <hotdp> there is nothing in the text about it
May 24 13:09:43 <PatrickC> email and ask?
May 24 13:12:43 <hotdp> yer
May 24 13:16:36 * rwhitby applied for 15 codes
May 24 13:16:58 <PatrickC> lol
May 24 13:17:05 <rwhitby> to cover http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WhoIsWho
May 24 13:17:11 <hotdp> yer
May 24 13:17:24 <hotdp> rwhitby do you know if you can get it to eu?
May 24 13:17:37 <rwhitby> dunno
May 24 13:17:42 <rwhitby> worth a try
May 24 13:17:45 <hotdp> yer
May 24 13:17:56 <hotdp> I am afraid it has to be in the EU store
May 24 13:18:00 <hotdp> and i dont think it is
May 24 13:18:10 * PatrickC wants to join WOSI :)
May 24 13:18:59 <rwhitby> do something open source and amazing and you might get a chance to do so
May 24 13:19:38 * rwhitby bbt - night all
May 24 13:19:57 <PatrickC> hmm.. I'll work on that :)
May 24 13:20:05 <PatrickC> night rwhitby
May 24 15:10:55 * NuttyBunny appears in a puff of smoke
May 24 15:45:12 <NuttyBunny> Booting THE Pixi for one last time, if this doesn't work I'll have to get it from the room across the hall
May 24 15:45:55 * halfhalo wants video of said throw
May 24 15:46:05 <NuttyBunny> :D
May 24 15:46:10 <NuttyBunny> he
May 24 15:46:12 <NuttyBunny> it worked
May 24 15:46:13 <NuttyBunny> :D
May 24 15:46:18 <NuttyBunny> no need for the video!
May 24 15:46:22 <halfhalo> throw it anyways!
May 24 15:46:42 <Hendikins> You know you want to.
May 24 15:46:57 <NuttyBunny> I'm tempted, but my mom will inherit it now that it works properly :D
May 24 15:47:05 <halfhalo> If I had my pixi right now I would....
May 24 15:47:13 <NuttyBunny> ah, the modem..... need to update it
May 24 15:47:19 <Hendikins> And I like seeing average download speed of 1.27MB/sec over 3G.
May 24 15:47:27 <halfhalo> ...
May 24 15:48:01 <Hendikins> When this Veer gets here I'm really going to have to see what it can do on a decent network.
May 24 15:48:19 <halfhalo> lol
May 24 15:48:26 <halfhalo> network, psh
May 24 15:48:54 <Hendikins> I'm serious with that comment. Putting it on Telstra 3G, the phone will be the bottleneck.
May 24 15:49:27 <Hendikins> I might hate the company, but it is hard to argue with their network.
May 24 15:49:29 <halfhalo> wth... trying to run the mobile speedtest and its yelling at me that IE doesn't support the needed javascr.... wait, there it goes
May 24 15:49:32 <halfhalo> stupid windows phone
May 24 15:49:34 <Hendikins> (Unless you're in the Perth CBD)
May 24 15:49:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 'morning folks
May 24 15:50:17 <NuttyBunny> mornin IGNTNUNLMTD
May 24 15:50:35 * NuttyBunny wishes that Telcel was faster... 
May 24 15:50:55 <NuttyBunny> but well, I'm capped after 512Mb, so... it would make that limit faster to reach ;)
May 24 15:51:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> man I can't wait to get my hands on a touchpad
May 24 15:51:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TAKE MY MONEY, HP
May 24 15:51:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TAKE IT
May 24 15:51:31 * halfhalo is capped at 2GB... which will make this a very interesting first month as he adjusts his usage
May 24 15:51:50 <NuttyBunny> YEAH! LET THE MACHINE HIBERNATE WHILE IT'S FLASHING THE MODEM!!!  Great Idea!!... I almost did that! :S
May 24 15:52:23 * NuttyBunny will sell his work laptop and get a TP
May 24 15:52:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 24 15:52:41 <NuttyBunny> of course, why would I sell mine? ;)
May 24 15:53:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's smart thinking right there
May 24 15:53:21 * Hendikins has a limit of 7GB/month on HSPA+ DC with his data SIM, and 1GB on his voice SIM.
May 24 15:53:35 * halfhalo would sell his work laptop.... buuuuuuuuuttttt its got a giant sticker on it thats virtually impossible from both the lid and one in the chassis
May 24 15:53:47 <NuttyBunny> hehehe... mine doesn't have any of that ;)
May 24 15:54:14 <NuttyBunny> but yes, I don't think it would be *that* hard to track... oh, well
May 24 15:55:04 * halfhalo can live with 2gb a month with this as his work internet connection http://speedtest.net/result/1302002420.png
May 24 15:55:06 <NuttyBunny> quick, someone tell me an idea for a killer 1.x paid app, and a touchpad app, I have to do it ASAP to sell it and get my earnings before TP launches!
May 24 15:55:23 <halfhalo> being limited by the 100Mb hub... meh
May 24 15:57:09 <halfhalo> hmm.... something is killing the speedtests connection speed right before it finishes....
May 24 15:57:58 <halfhalo> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1310236729.png better....
May 24 15:59:32 <halfhalo> ok, pretty sure this is the best I'm going to be able to do in terms of download http://www.speedtest.net/result/1310238685.png
May 24 16:06:23 <NuttyBunny> I know Rod will kill me for this comment, but ... the problem with the Pixi was his fault ;)
May 24 16:20:14 <Hendikins> NuttyBunny: Do you have a government job or something? :P
May 24 16:20:36 <NuttyBunny> Hendikins: why the question?
May 24 16:20:59 <NuttyBunny> "because you're always here"
May 24 16:21:05 <Hendikins> No, the buck passing. :P
May 24 16:24:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Massive Veer ad on Youtube
May 24 16:25:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and on the NY Times
May 24 16:25:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> anyone who thinks HP isn't advertising now is thick-skulled
May 24 16:27:09 <NuttyBunny> Someone please explain me Hendikins joke :P
May 24 16:27:13 <NuttyBunny> hey chuqui!
May 24 16:27:25 <chuqui> hey howdy
May 24 16:57:21 <Hendikins> Heh, here's a quote I like: "One thing for certain... the iPhone can do lots of things well, bar being a decent phone."
May 24 16:59:04 <NuttyBunny> The apps make the phone.  Have you ever used an iPhone with NO apps?
May 24 16:59:21 <NuttyBunny> it's even worse than a... Pre without apps.. ;)
May 24 17:03:41 <cxreg>  is there any indication of pre3 being on sprint?
May 24 17:18:15 <PatrickC> hey all
May 24 17:42:57 <codeslaw> whatup
May 24 17:43:08 <PatrickC> nm
May 24 17:43:14 <PatrickC> what's up with you?
May 24 17:43:27 <sugardave> hola codeslaw
May 24 17:43:32 <codeslaw> not a lot
May 24 17:43:42 <codeslaw> finishing up codeslaw.net v2
May 24 17:43:51 <codeslaw> getting ready to port the work on paintr pro over to enyo
May 24 17:44:00 <sugardave> sweet
May 24 17:44:07 <codeslaw> how bout you guys
May 24 17:45:04 <sugardave> figuring out what I can do to help at the new job
May 24 17:47:52 <codeslaw> whats the new job?
May 24 17:49:03 <Loudergood> He's the new sucker that gets stuck telling us "In the coming months"
May 24 17:49:12 <Loudergood> They always pass that on to the new guy
May 24 17:49:39 <sugardave> haha
May 24 17:49:49 <sugardave> codeslaw: webOS SWAT engineer
May 24 17:49:55 <codeslaw> nice
May 24 17:50:01 <codeslaw> congrats!
May 24 17:50:09 <codeslaw> what do you mean SWAT
May 24 17:50:12 <sugardave> thanks, I'm excited!
May 24 17:50:45 <sugardave> that's what they call it...it's part of developer relations, but as required I will help partners write apps for webOS (among other things)
May 24 17:50:53 <codeslaw> right on
May 24 17:51:01 <codeslaw> something sometihng action team
May 24 17:51:07 <sugardave> sure!
May 24 17:51:19 <sugardave> I guess I should ask Gray when I go to Sunnyvale :D
May 24 17:51:34 <codeslaw> you moving? or working from austin?
May 24 17:51:55 <sugardave> staying in Austin, but I'll need to go to CA from time to time
May 24 17:52:06 <codeslaw> cool
May 24 17:52:18 <sugardave> oh yes, definitely a big plus there
May 24 18:10:08 * PatrickC walks in
May 24 18:14:00 * NuttyBunny pushes PatrickC 
May 24 18:14:36 * PatrickC falls down
May 24 18:15:23 * PatrickC runs away and hides in corner
May 24 18:17:38 <halfhalo> oh, oh, oh, a mugging? totally in
May 24 18:17:56 <dohtem> consipracy time!
May 24 18:18:07 <dohtem> http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/index.html <- what date do you see in this pic?
May 24 18:19:41 <maik> dohtem: i see the apocalypse
May 24 18:19:44 <PatrickC> 9th?
May 24 18:20:11 <maik> 20th
May 24 18:20:30 <PatrickC> its the 9th on the touchpad
May 24 18:20:49 <dohtem> the calendar is opened to Monday June 20th 2011
May 24 18:20:52 <maik> eh, post a screenshot
May 24 18:20:58 <maik> oh, quite right
May 24 18:21:03 <maik> 9th on the launcher, 20th on the calendar
May 24 18:21:10 <PatrickC> grr
May 24 18:21:17 <PatrickC> now we have 2 dates :/
May 24 18:21:22 <maik> heh
May 24 18:21:58 <PatrickC> what if the TouchPad released on the 9th, an the Pre3 on the 20th? :)
May 24 18:21:59 <Loudergood> a thursday or a monday
May 24 18:22:27 <PatrickC> monday makes sense
May 24 18:23:27 <maik> it's traditionally been Sunday, hasn't it?
May 24 18:23:29 <maik> er, for Palm
May 24 18:23:40 <PatrickC> hmm.. both the Pre3 and the TouchPad have 9th in the launcher
May 24 18:24:22 <PatrickC> Oct. 9th is a sunday :)
May 24 18:24:30 <halfhalo> your a sunday
May 24 18:24:34 <cwayne> pwned
May 24 18:24:43 <PatrickC> lol
May 24 18:24:44 * halfhalo notes its 30 minutes till he is out of here and home
May 24 18:25:23 <halfhalo> mostly because I like to leave on round numbers
May 24 18:25:38 <PatrickC> heh
May 24 18:25:55 <dohtem> sounds like Rain Man
May 24 18:26:05 <dohtem> quick! how many toothpicks?
May 24 18:26:19 <cwayne> 3
May 24 18:26:19 * PatrickC thinks it sounds like OCD :)
May 24 18:26:19 * halfhalo pulls out lighter
May 24 18:26:21 <halfhalo> none now!
May 24 18:26:56 <PatrickC> haha
May 24 18:27:20 <halfhalo> There is a distinct lack of netflix at my work right now
May 24 18:27:26 <halfhalo> I should bring the 360 back in
May 24 18:28:15 <Loudergood> ah me too halfhalo, 30 minutes...
May 24 18:29:11 <halfhalo> Deciding what I want for food
May 24 18:29:47 <dohtem> Amazing, I have quite a few "almost finished" apps I abandoned because I lost interest
May 24 18:29:50 <PatrickC> Maggiano's
May 24 18:31:26 <cwayne> PatrickC: did you do any music streaming shit or did i make that up
May 24 18:31:35 <halfhalo> taco bell it is!
May 24 18:31:48 <PatrickC> I'm making a radio app, yeah
May 24 18:31:50 <PatrickC> 2 of 'em
May 24 18:32:56 <cwayne> how involved is doing that?
May 24 18:33:51 <PatrickC> well.. 1 is done (just waiting on graphics, and links) the other is still in the "thinking about how to do it" period
May 24 18:34:13 <PatrickC> and the 2nd one (right now, not naming what it'll do) will be really involved.
May 24 18:36:04 <PatrickC> sconix gave the idea for the 2nd app :)
May 24 18:36:50 <cwayne> PatrickC: wanna pm me
May 24 18:36:59 <PatrickC> sure.
May 24 20:00:05 <cwayne> anyone do anything with oauth here?\
May 24 20:02:40 <LoneStar99> what u trying 2 do?
May 24 20:03:56 <NuttyBunny> Taco time brb :)
May 24 20:04:10 <LoneStar99> lol
May 24 20:08:02 <cwayne> LoneStar99: login to ubuntuone with oauth
May 24 20:08:11 <cwayne> says the request needs to be oauth signed
May 24 20:08:21 <cwayne> i've got tokens and stuff, just no idea what to do with em :/
May 24 20:09:08 <PatrickC> ahh.. finally back in coverage :)
May 24 20:09:52 <PatrickC> hmm.. this new app I have planned will take a *ton more* JS then I know :/
May 24 20:09:58 <PatrickC> Tibfib_uk?
May 24 20:10:08 <PatrickC> what's the uk?
May 24 20:10:20 <tmandry> PatrickC: on the road?
May 24 20:10:50 <PatrickC> tmandry: yeah.. going from Jacksonville, FL to Nashville TN
May 24 20:11:01 <Tibfib_uk> PatrickC: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=UK
May 24 20:11:25 <PatrickC> you in the UK?
May 24 20:11:33 <Tibfib_uk> I love using lmgtfy, but I feel like a jerk everytime I use it
May 24 20:11:34 <PatrickC> is what I meant..
May 24 20:11:43 <PatrickC> lol
May 24 20:11:51 <Tibfib_uk> PatrickC: haha, that is much different than what you said
May 24 20:11:52 <Tibfib_uk> Yes, I am in the UK
May 24 20:12:16 <PatrickC> then use a link shortener :)
May 24 20:12:27 <PatrickC> what are you doing there?
May 24 20:12:36 <Tommy> PatrickC! <3
May 24 20:12:44 <Tibfib_uk> tagging along on a study abroad trip
May 24 20:13:26 <PatrickC> Tommy: huh?
May 24 20:14:24 * PatrickC wishes he had a extended battery :/
May 24 20:14:46 <Tommy> PatrickC: hey buddy
May 24 20:14:58 <PatrickC> hey lol
May 24 20:15:20 <PatrickC> got a webos device yet?
May 24 20:15:52 <Tommy> haha i'm stayin with android, broski
May 24 20:16:15 * PatrickC cries a little
May 24 20:17:00 <LoneStar99> ok boys check this out still has alot of bugs but  it getting better
May 24 20:17:40 <PatrickC> what's that LoneStar99?
May 24 20:18:09 <PatrickC> Tommy: use webOS for 2 weeks, and I can almost guarantee that you won't go back ;)
May 24 20:18:27 <PatrickC> s/webOS/webOS 2.1 on a Pre2/
May 24 20:18:28 <cwayne> LoneStar99: does it use oAuth :)
May 24 20:19:00 <LoneStar99> http://bobc.in/im/coloroo/cc/
May 24 20:19:05 <LoneStar99> nope
May 24 20:19:17 <LoneStar99> ok look at the screen
May 24 20:19:40 * PatrickC sees a white box
May 24 20:20:08 <LoneStar99> look at it again
May 24 20:20:27 <PatrickC> now I see it drawing something?
May 24 20:20:54 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 24 20:20:55 <PatrickC> everyone I refresh it draws more
May 24 20:21:16 <PatrickC> everytime*
May 24 20:21:17 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 24 20:21:37 <PatrickC> is that you drawing it?
May 24 20:21:42 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 24 20:21:54 <PatrickC> cool!
May 24 20:21:55 <LoneStar99> still trying to perfect it
May 24 20:22:14 <PatrickC> you work for BobChatter?
May 24 20:22:39 <LoneStar99> i work for myself
May 24 20:22:57 <PatrickC> you are bob chatter?
May 24 20:23:05 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 24 20:23:17 <PatrickC> awesome
May 24 20:26:50 <LoneStar99> http://bobc.in/im/coloroo/cc/
May 24 20:27:58 <LoneStar99> the coordinates are not to good yet
May 24 20:29:21 <PatrickC> does Bob Chatter work as a IM client yet, for like AIM, GChat, etc. ?
May 24 20:30:47 <LoneStar99> the things the way it works would not necessary work for those IM systems
May 24 20:31:33 <LoneStar99> still trying to figure out out how it can work with those clients
May 24 20:32:30 <PatrickC> you are not on ;)
May 24 20:32:34 <LoneStar99> meaning like if I write something you should be able to write to that one specific thread
May 24 20:33:00 <PatrickC> yeah, I see that
May 24 20:33:04 * PatrickC is in the app now
May 24 20:33:05 <LoneStar99> all other chats do not have that capability
May 24 20:33:55 <leiru> hmhm
May 24 20:34:21 <PatrickC> hey leiru
May 24 20:34:35 <LoneStar99> in my opinion it is ahead of its time
May 24 20:35:18 <PatrickC> it =? B* Chattr?
May 24 20:37:34 <LoneStar99> i do not mean it like that, just that people do not really use it, and it sucks
May 24 20:37:41 <PatrickC> brb
May 24 20:37:50 <LoneStar99> it took alot of time to build it
May 24 20:42:28 <PatrickC> build what? B* Chattr?
May 24 20:43:22 <LoneStar99> yeah
May 24 20:44:06 <PatrickC> I thought that it would have had a lot of users
May 24 20:44:20 <LoneStar99> it would be awesome if I could port it another IM system it is alll JSON
May 24 20:47:10 * PatrickC has no clue what that would do :P
May 24 20:47:58 <Loudergood> hard to tie into libpurple then...
May 24 20:54:56 <LoneStar99> all i know is that my new app is kills memory, so need 2 fix that
May 24 20:55:43 <LoneStar99> it slows down all browsers
May 24 20:56:07 <LoneStar99> so would never work for a mobile platform
May 24 20:56:59 <LoneStar99> but anyways time 2 go chat later
May 24 20:57:41 <PatrickC> cya
May 24 21:10:03 * madnificent wants more webos dev time!
May 24 21:11:44 * PatrickC wants his lappy
May 24 21:12:49 * PatrickC has huge.. huge plans for an app.. 
May 24 21:12:56 <PatrickC> good thing I have partners :)
May 24 21:14:32 <sugardave> cwayne: oauth, to sign a request you pack up all the parameters (in order) and base-64 encode them along with your accessor token, etc.
May 24 21:15:01 <sugardave> the real trick to oauth is trying to get the initial auth token without being able to provide a callback url
May 24 21:15:14 <cwayne> sugardave: i got that far :)
May 24 21:15:31 <sugardave> woo!
May 24 21:15:44 <PatrickC> cwayne: get the email?
May 24 21:15:49 <cwayne> PatrickC: yar
May 24 21:16:04 <PatrickC> sugardave: how's the Palm life?
May 24 21:16:09 <PatrickC> cool
May 24 21:16:26 <sugardave> so far so good...got an email address and an employee #
May 24 21:16:39 <cwayne> sugardave: so i got a consumer_secret, consumer_key, token, token_secret
May 24 21:16:40 <PatrickC> cool
May 24 21:16:57 <cwayne> sugardave: is that all i need to pack in there?  and do they go in as params or in the header like simple http auth?
May 24 21:17:04 <PatrickC> sugardave: who would I contact about marketing?
May 24 21:18:00 <sugardave> cwayne: exactly, the only other weirdness I rememember (for the service I was trying to use) was that the parameters need to be sorted alphabetically, as well
May 24 21:18:20 <sugardave> and then of course you have to send the toekn and secret with every request
May 24 21:18:31 <sugardave> PatrickC: pdc@palm.com, my guess
May 24 21:18:43 <PatrickC> ok thanks
May 24 21:19:34 <cwayne> sugardave: ah, thanks! :) lemme try this
May 24 21:27:15 <cwayne> sugardave: sorry just to clarify (i'm sure these types of questions get super annoying), but the token stuff goes in the header (a la http auth)?
May 24 21:32:55 <sugardave> cwayne: ah, good question...I always use it via Ajax.Request and make them the properties of my parameters object
May 24 21:33:09 <sugardave> so however that maps
May 24 21:33:19 <cwayne> sugardave: ah, that'd be easier :)  im doing it with Ajax.Request also
May 24 21:34:07 <ajay> howdy!
May 24 21:34:30 * ajay just had someone frankenpre his VzPre+ into a VzPre2 body!
May 24 21:34:41 <ajay> and it looks like i can make calls too! neat! :)
May 24 21:34:52 <leiru> sugardave: me as open cource dev and zenappstudios need a personal dev relations guy
May 24 21:35:05 <ajay> now for the scary step.. logging into my 1.4.5 palm profile!
May 24 21:35:11 <leiru> sugardave: whom i contact? pdc? twtomcat (im in europe)
May 24 21:36:21 <leiru> sugardave: even patrick:c has his own dev relations manager, i feel something like... given to one to another dev relation guy in the time(1year)
May 24 21:37:20 <leiru> my company has swisstomcat, but in this case i am just supporting
May 24 21:38:46 <leiru> adela gave me the pre2, a guy inivted me to private party in berlin, and my company made some squirrell-shit to invite me twice as part of my company
May 24 21:38:50 <leiru> thats so confusing
May 24 21:39:54 <PatrickC> leiru: who handled your dev phones?
May 24 21:39:59 <leiru> adela.
May 24 21:40:11 <leiru> but swisstomcat supporting the comapny where i am
May 24 21:40:15 <PatrickC> then I believe she's your dev rep
May 24 21:40:17 <Loudergood> I have one and I haven't even release an app yet..it's odd..
May 24 21:40:23 <leiru> i was the guy who said one could develop on enyo
May 24 21:40:30 <PatrickC> Loudergood: really? lol
May 24 21:40:32 <sugardave> leiru: yeah, not sure about the rep situation anymore....do they stil assign them to developers?
May 24 21:40:36 <leiru> watch out in EU ;)
May 24 21:40:56 <PatrickC> sugardave: I've got one assigned to me..
May 24 21:40:58 <leiru> sugardave: i dont know
May 24 21:41:00 <sugardave> at one point I thought they weren't doing that anymore...but, regardless, if you have been in contact with Adela, then that is your most likely contact
May 24 21:41:15 <leiru> okay.
May 24 21:42:05 * ryanwatkins wants a webOS workshop in NYC.
May 24 21:42:35 <leiru> but sean lindo gave me the ticket for workshops - one week after my company got invitation from HP europe
May 24 21:42:41 <leiru> and set me doubled on the list
May 24 21:43:01 * PatrickC wants a webOs Workshop in Nashville
May 24 21:43:21 <ryanwatkins> :)
May 24 21:43:33 <cwayne> sugardave: damn.  it's failing and not giving me any responseText to see why
May 24 21:43:58 <sugardave> awesome
May 24 21:44:01 <PatrickC> ryanwatkins: you near nashville?
May 24 21:44:06 <leiru> maybe i am a star now? everyone wants to invite me and i have two names on the list - THE GUESTLIST!
May 24 21:44:36 <leiru> maybe this trouble happened because i am passioned webOS developer and develop private and for my company
May 24 21:45:02 <sugardave> cwayne: not even an invalid signature error?
May 24 21:45:43 <cwayne> sugardave: nope.  i have my onFailure basically just do: 		$("content").update(transport.responseText);
May 24 21:45:53 <cwayne> and i get nothin
May 24 21:46:13 <leiru> any way, i need one person that talks to me, at this time HP europe, sean lindo and adela are my contacts. and in meetings at my company my PM writes with wisstomcat
May 24 21:46:23 <sugardave> it won't fire onFailure for an invalid signature...that is a successful call through Ajax :)
May 24 21:46:25 <leiru> thats somehow confusing
May 24 21:46:56 <sugardave> leiru: talk to swisstomcat, as it may end being that him eventually anyway
May 24 21:47:10 <ryanwatkins> PatrickC: not so much.  Brooklyn
May 24 21:47:11 <cwayne> sugardave: crap, i wonder what's firing onFailure then
May 24 21:47:23 <sugardave> that I don't know :)
May 24 21:47:33 <cwayne> sugardave: grr i hate when this happens
May 24 21:47:34 <cwayne> lol
May 24 21:47:34 <PatrickC> ryanwatkins: that's a little far from Nashville ;)
May 24 21:48:05 * PatrickC wonders how much data his phone has used so far this trip :)
May 24 21:48:12 <ryanwatkins> and just recently realized that unwiredben lived around the corner ... with his TouchPad until recently.  :/
May 24 21:48:50 <sugardave> ryanwatkins: yeah, now he is in my neck of the woods :)  I saw his TouchPad :D
May 24 21:49:39 <ryanwatkins> sugardave: heh
May 24 21:49:52 <cwayne> blarghhh why the shit would it not give me any responseText?!
May 24 21:50:05 <leiru> sugardave: maybe i will contact you for e-mail, if i can't catch him at webOS connect. would this be okay?
May 24 21:50:31 * PatrickC takes the TouchPad
May 24 21:51:01 <ryanwatkins> always good when writing code means actually deleting lines of code.
May 24 21:51:10 <ryanwatkins> ~ two dozen more down.
May 24 21:51:20 <leiru> ryanwatkins: refactoring ftw!
May 24 21:51:33 <ryanwatkins> woot.
May 24 21:51:38 <leiru> w000t!
May 24 21:52:29 <sugardave> leiru: I can't do much for anybody at this point :D
May 24 21:52:37 <sugardave> "soon" heh
May 24 21:52:53 <leiru> sugardave: no prob, but thanks for advice.
May 24 21:53:05 <leiru> i am really stucked in this
May 24 21:53:56 <leiru> cwayne: use bind(this)
May 24 21:54:07 <leiru> you have to bind the object scope into this.
May 24 21:54:22 <leiru> otherwise the method will be called again and again
May 24 21:54:46 <cwayne> leiru: i did :/
May 24 21:55:05 <leiru> hmm.
May 24 21:55:14 <PatrickC> I would buy a discount veer.. but I'm saving up for a TouchPad :)
May 24 21:55:22 <PatrickC> hey DocLee
May 24 21:55:26 <DocLee> Hello
May 24 21:55:29 <leiru> onFailure: this.doStuff.bind(this) ?
May 24 21:55:53 <cwayne> leiru: yerp
May 24 21:55:59 <leiru> hrm :(#
May 24 21:56:07 <cwayne> leiru: uhhh so now, neither onSuccess nor onFailure fires off ever
May 24 21:56:09 <cwayne> wtf
May 24 21:56:23 <cwayne> shrodingers response
May 24 21:56:46 <leiru> what says the response.header at failure
May 24 21:56:55 <leiru> and other things prototype serves?
May 24 21:58:27 <leiru> we had some bugs in the API of mite, and with some properties of the response object onfailure we could identify http error code and even parse the html-error page into the log
May 24 21:59:02 <leiru> would have to search on ggogle to find the prototype properties ...
May 24 21:59:16 <cwayne> uhhhh i can't get it to fire onFailure OR onSuccess ever now
May 24 21:59:19 <cwayne> i have a confuse.
May 24 21:59:35 <leiru> pastebin?
May 24 21:59:38 <leiru> *g*
May 24 21:59:39 <DocLee> pastebin
May 24 22:06:23 <leiru> hrm
May 24 22:06:33 <leiru> okay, good night, good fight.
May 24 22:08:14 <cwayne> leiru: http://pastebin.com/EXJm7SUQ
May 24 22:08:16 <cwayne> nooooooo
May 24 22:08:17 <cwayne> haha
May 24 22:14:12 <DocLee> cwayne, You try quotes around your request?
May 24 22:14:47 <cwayne> DocLee: tried that
May 24 22:15:05 <cwayne> DocLee: if i dont put any params in, it correctly tells me i have no auth creds
May 24 22:15:14 <cwayne> DocLee: but if i put them in, i get no responseText at all
May 24 22:15:25 <cwayne> and if i do it one way, i get no onSuccess or onFailure!
May 24 22:16:11 <DocLee> It's probably not a 200 success
May 24 22:18:16 <cwayne> hmmm, its actually getting a 500
May 24 22:18:19 <cwayne> crap
May 24 22:18:25 <DocLee> So put on500
May 24 22:18:42 <cwayne> nah i mean on this failure i just got (actually kicked off onFailure this way)
May 24 22:21:00 <NuttyBunny> http error 500?
May 24 22:22:39 <cwayne> yeah
May 24 22:22:42 <cwayne> but if i do it this way
May 24 22:22:52 <cwayne> FirstAssistant.prototype.oauthtok = function(response){
May 24 22:22:52 <cwayne> new Ajax.Request(oauth_url,{
May 24 22:22:52 <cwayne> 	method: 'get',
May 24 22:22:52 <cwayne> 	parameters: Base64.encode(response),
May 24 22:22:52 <cwayne> 	onFailure: this.dealwithFailure.bind(this),
May 24 22:22:52 <cwayne> 	onSuccess: this.dealwithSuccess.bind(this)
May 24 22:22:52 <cwayne> });
May 24 22:22:53 <cwayne> }
May 24 22:22:55 <cwayne> i never get anything
May 24 22:23:56 <cwayne> even tried onLoading, on0
May 24 22:24:06 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: what pixi problem was my fault?
May 24 22:24:26 * NuttyBunny hides under ... under...
May 24 22:24:29 * NuttyBunny runs
May 24 22:25:32 <NuttyBunny> the Makefile backup targets lets one do a backup without specifying device/carrier, so, it don't backs up the boot partition properly :)
May 24 22:25:47 <NuttyBunny> (meta doctor)
May 24 22:26:17 <rwhitby> ah, so it was user error.
May 24 22:26:41 <sugardave> rwhitby: dammit, why must you make users make errors?
May 24 22:26:56 <NuttyBunny> shhh.. yep... Layer 8 error
May 24 22:31:36 <NuttyBunny> I'll issue an update to the makefile later :)
May 24 22:37:52 <cwayne> fuck this im too stupid
May 24 22:37:55 <cwayne> time to drink instead
May 24 22:38:06 <PatrickC> haha
May 24 22:40:04 <cwayne> i seriously have no idea what im doing wrong
May 24 22:40:08 <cwayne> and the api docs are bullshit
May 24 22:42:58 * PatrickC needs to figure out how to find out how to find where text assist stores its backups
May 24 22:44:42 <PatrickC> bbl
May 24 22:45:59 <dawm__> http://i.imgur.com/WfN7k.jpg
May 24 23:56:43 <ajay> hm, universe won't start on my new device.. hrmm..
May 25 00:16:10 * PatrickC walks in
May 25 00:16:13 * haeffb tired of having to run Windows to stream netflix
May 25 00:17:29 <Loudergood> haeffb: I agree
May 25 00:17:49 <haeffb> plus my laptop doesn't output in 720p
May 25 00:20:46 <PatrickC> wow... the devistation is amazing here...
May 25 00:21:14 <dohtem> haeffb: no xbox?
May 25 00:21:21 <dohtem> or roku
May 25 00:22:14 * haeffb in a hotel room
May 25 00:22:16 <Loudergood> roku is nice, but not very flexible
May 25 00:22:42 <dohtem> :(
May 25 00:23:09 <haeffb> PatrickC: where?
May 25 00:23:49 <PatrickC> let me get the city name
May 25 00:23:53 <PatrickC> I'm on the road
May 25 00:24:16 * haeffb is about 60 miles from Joplin, MO at the moment.
May 25 00:24:22 <PatrickC> Ringgold, GA
May 25 00:24:40 <haeffb> and the devestataion there is beyond amazing. It's tragic.
May 25 00:25:06 <PatrickC> yeah.. I'll upload pix when I get to a PC
May 25 00:25:41 <PatrickC> wait.. Joplin? really? wow..
May 25 00:26:04 <PatrickC> take pix... I want to see
May 25 00:26:21 <PatrickC> we had bad tornadoes by us (in nashville/murfreesboro area)
May 25 00:26:42 * Loudergood hides behind his mountains
May 25 00:27:01 <haeffb> well...it's hard to see the devestation in pix from 60 miles away.
May 25 00:27:15 <haeffb> but if you turn on CNN or any other national news, you'll see it.
May 25 00:28:05 <dohtem> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/05/pictures/110523-joplin-missouri-tornado-science-nation-weather-midwest/
May 25 00:28:50 <haeffb> it would be cool if the TouchPad had HDMI out
May 25 00:30:13 <dohtem> or did DLNAn
May 25 00:30:58 <haeffb> ok, this is nice. Netflix streaming on the LG and still xChat on my laptop monitor
May 25 00:34:43 * PatrickC mumbles "Stupid wIRC"
May 25 00:35:17 <dohtem> haeffb: last hotel I stay at, they had this black box hooked up to the TV with tons of video-input
May 25 00:35:33 <PatrickC> dohtem: awesome
May 25 00:35:44 <dohtem> Never seen that before. You could bring your own device and enjoy
May 25 00:36:11 <PatrickC> well, you can always do that.. it just takes a little work :)
May 25 00:36:38 <dohtem> no, they usually make it impossible
May 25 00:37:01 <PatrickC> most hotels I've been in you could if you really wanted to
May 25 00:37:26 <PatrickC> they just only had the plugs in the back
May 25 00:37:45 <PatrickC> and you had to unplug something to plug your thing in..
May 25 01:18:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good evening
May 25 01:18:22 <Tommy> webos sucks.
May 25 01:18:25 <Tommy> jus' sayin.
May 25 01:20:05 <halfhalo> yet your in a channel full of webos devs.  just saying
May 25 01:20:46 <Tommy> halfhalo: i'm what we call a social troll
May 25 01:21:05 <Tommy> i come in here, and i'm a nice guy, i don't just start shit, but every now and again i remind you how much better android is, and where palm's market share is going (oops, HP's market share)
May 25 01:21:11 <haeffb> and his mom is ugly
May 25 01:22:21 <Tommy> true.
May 25 01:24:14 <IGNTNUNLMTD> funny how not even the fastest processors can make android smooth though! ;)
May 25 01:24:25 * halfhalo prefers webos over all other mobile os's, but will say wp7 is pretty slick
May 25 01:24:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> halfhalo: That's where I'd go if webOS were to die
May 25 01:24:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> no question
May 25 01:25:05 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: well, if they only had one piece of hardware to work with i'm sure it'd be a bit more fluid
May 25 01:25:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> isn't as fascist as Apple and isn't a poorly put together mess like Android
May 25 01:25:23 <Tommy> then again, fluid on a plasticky, profile slider that sells a few million in 2 years... that's not saying much
May 25 01:25:53 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: poorly put together mess, lol... palm had TWO PHONES to support and they couldn't even make it sell
May 25 01:26:16 <Tommy> android's activating what, 300,000 devices a day i think
May 25 01:26:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> look, we like our OS and don't have to justify anything to you
May 25 01:26:50 <Tommy> says the person who just bashed my OS choice?
May 25 01:26:54 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you can play your dickwaving game all you want, but at the end of the day you aren't converting me
May 25 01:27:19 <Tommy> i'm not trying to, fellas like you can go to wp7 and their marketshare will still go the same direction as palm's
May 25 01:27:39 <PatrickC> hey all
May 25 01:27:43 <Tommy> PatrickC: sup buddy
May 25 01:27:45 <IGNTNUNLMTD> doesn't leave me with any choice then, huh?
May 25 01:28:04 <PatrickC> hey Tommy.. and hey! IGNTNUNLMTD!
May 25 01:28:34 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well, I'd probably buy HTC in that case
May 25 01:28:34 <PatrickC> Tommy, do you do any dev work for android/webOS/RIM/iOS?
May 25 01:28:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> No, he's just a troll
May 25 01:28:52 <PatrickC> (IGNTNUNLMTD): noooooo
May 25 01:28:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tommy: i come in here, and i'm a nice guy, i don't just start shit, but every now and again i remind you how much better android is, and where palm's market share is going (oops, HP's market share)
May 25 01:28:57 <Tommy> PatrickC: i do not, i'm a premed student
May 25 01:28:59 <IGNTNUNLMTD> before you got in here
May 25 01:29:04 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: patrick knows me better than you do, son
May 25 01:29:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> son?
May 25 01:29:16 <Tommy> yes.
May 25 01:29:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> condescending too
May 25 01:29:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> beautiful
May 25 01:29:23 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD... i am... your father...
May 25 01:29:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I can't wait for someone to rip you a new one with a malpractice suit
May 25 01:29:40 <IGNTNUNLMTD> where do you live?
May 25 01:29:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I want to attend your clinic
May 25 01:29:57 <Tommy> new york city
May 25 01:30:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> okay, I'll see/sue you in a few years
May 25 01:30:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 25 01:30:30 <Tommy> mhm
May 25 01:30:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what field of medicine are you going into? gynecology?
May 25 01:31:00 <Tommy> lol nah, i see plenty of pussy without a lab coat on
May 25 01:31:11 <Tommy> i'm thinking surgery, but we'll see, i'm open minded
May 25 01:31:19 <Tommy> i have a feeling it'll either be surgery, anesthesiology or pulmonology
May 25 01:32:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well good for you; don't kill anyone.
May 25 01:33:32 <PatrickC> IGNTNUNLMTD: he doesn't know that he likes webos, he hasn't used it a lot yet :)
May 25 01:33:41 <Tommy> hahah
May 25 01:33:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that's how most of them are
May 25 01:33:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> truly
May 25 01:33:52 * ajay has been playin with a shiny new Verizon Pre2 today..
May 25 01:33:59 <ajay> man, it's NICE to have a power button! haha.. :)
May 25 01:34:05 <PatrickC> ajay: yay!! hahaha
May 25 01:34:35 <ajay> PatrickC: it's not everything i dreamed off, but it seems to be warming up.. (I think)
May 25 01:34:53 <PatrickC> Tommy: I know people who went from webOS to Android, and they want back to webOS. *badly*
May 25 01:35:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ^ plenty
May 25 01:35:11 <PatrickC> ajay: the F14 tomcat is the best kernel ;)
May 25 01:35:26 <PatrickC> almost everyone who works at sprint I know did that..
May 25 01:35:27 <ajay> I can see plenty of reasons to use webOS or Android..
May 25 01:35:43 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: i got the emulator as soon as it came out, i was convinced i loved webOS, and i still love the cards interface
May 25 01:35:45 <ajay> PatrickC: you mean i gotta overclock this thing??  noo... :(
May 25 01:35:54 <PatrickC> I would never use Android if I had a choice
May 25 01:36:04 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: in fact, i was praying google would buy palm instead of HP, so google could merge palm's UI with android's
May 25 01:36:05 <PatrickC> ajay: OC'ing isn't needed, but I like living on the edge :)
May 25 01:36:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and then you went to a platform on which most all apps are free but splattered with ads
May 25 01:36:11 <ajay> PatrickC: heh..
May 25 01:36:16 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Android's UI is horrifying
May 25 01:36:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nothing redeeming about it
May 25 01:36:27 <Tommy> o.o
May 25 01:36:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> HTC sense greatly helps
May 25 01:36:32 <Tommy> it's, incredibly functional.
May 25 01:36:53 <Tommy> i hate OSes that consist of one giant list of apps, and wp7's tiles seem so cluttered to me
May 25 01:36:56 <IGNTNUNLMTD> the widget thing is really all it has going for it
May 25 01:37:05 <Tommy> android's blend of the app drawer with customizable home screens works very well for me, that's all i can say
May 25 01:37:14 <ajay> I just started playing with Amazon Cloud Player yesterday.. it'd be nice to use it from my device..
May 25 01:37:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but even that gets abused by OEM's
May 25 01:37:30 <PatrickC> ajay: I like having the a phone faster then my friends Evo's :)
May 25 01:37:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> which device have you got, then, Tommy?
May 25 01:37:34 <Tommy> ajay: oh, no app for webOS? :(
May 25 01:37:56 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: right now i'm chillin with a mytouch 3g slide and a samsung captivate, i sold my g2 before it lost its value, waiting for something worth upgrading to
May 25 01:38:10 <Tommy> i don't want tegra 2, i want something stupid fast, omap4, tegra 3, something of that range
May 25 01:38:15 <Tommy> exynos would be nice
May 25 01:38:17 <IGNTNUNLMTD> myTouch is HTC so that's legit enough
May 25 01:38:24 <Tommy> meh, HTC
May 25 01:38:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> but the Captivate, christ, I'd stab myself in the eyes
May 25 01:38:32 <Tommy> *sticks tongue out in disgust*
May 25 01:38:34 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: why?
May 25 01:38:37 <PatrickC> Tommy: 1.4GHz fast enough?
May 25 01:38:47 <IGNTNUNLMTD> TouchPiss UI is the worst thing in design since Comic Sans
May 25 01:38:49 <Tommy> PatrickC: it's not about ghz, son, i could overclock my G2 to 1.9ghz
May 25 01:39:00 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: yeah, WELCOME TO ANDROID KID, i'm running cyanogenmod 7 on it, based on AOSP
May 25 01:39:12 <Tommy> no touchwiz to be found, same software as a nexus S for the most part
May 25 01:39:12 <IGNTNUNLMTD> you must stop using "son" and "kid"... you sound like a bro
May 25 01:39:27 <Tommy> mmkay, i apologize.
May 25 01:39:36 <Tommy> anyways, that's a perfect example of why i love android
May 25 01:39:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> to think people like you are going to be providing my health care in the future
May 25 01:39:47 <Tommy> i got this craptivate for free, threw cm7 on it, and wow now it's a nice usable phone
May 25 01:39:57 <IGNTNUNLMTD> this is why I'm moving to New Zealand when I graduate
May 25 01:40:08 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: oh yeah? i'm considering au/nz so keep running
May 25 01:40:17 <Tommy> visiting AU for like a month this summer, i'll probably hit up NZ too while i'm close
May 25 01:40:21 <IGNTNUNLMTD> good luck getting citizenship
May 25 01:40:24 <Tommy> ....
May 25 01:40:28 <Tommy> dude
May 25 01:40:34 <Tommy> live in australia for 4 years, take a 20 question test
May 25 01:40:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'm talking NZ
May 25 01:40:58 <Tommy> "what colors are in the australian flag", "what does ANZAC day mean", etc
May 25 01:41:11 <PatrickC> hmm
May 25 01:41:14 <Tommy> well, haven't looked into it for NZ, but i know australian citizens can come/go as they please in NZ
May 25 01:41:18 * PatrickC couldnt answer those :P
May 25 01:41:23 <Tommy> it's like being an english citizen in the UK
May 25 01:41:44 <Tommy> PatrickC: it's multiple choice, and only one of the answers actually matched up with the ANZAC acronym
May 25 01:41:57 <Tommy> i knew shit about australia and i passed
May 25 01:42:10 <PatrickC> lol
May 25 01:42:45 <Tommy> also, if you think NZ wouldn't love to have more doctors, ask them about their current shortages
May 25 01:42:54 <Tommy> all i'd have to do is say i'd work in a rural area for 3 years and WHAM, they love me.
May 25 01:43:53 <PatrickC> haha
May 25 01:44:06 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well aren't you just Mr. Perfect
May 25 01:44:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I'd be afraid to know you IRL, I'm sure my life would be worthless by comparison
May 25 01:45:06 <Tommy> ....
May 25 01:45:29 <Tommy> you're the one who said "good luck getting citizenship", i'm not trying to brag about anything, just saying it's not hard.
May 25 01:46:05 <Tommy> in fact, international travel, to australia in particular, is the #1 reason i want to go for the MD... i'm a respiratory therapist now, just turned down a schweet job today to go back to school
May 25 01:46:10 <Tommy> friggin hate school >.<
May 25 01:46:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> well then drop out
May 25 01:47:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> and then I'll never get to bring a malpractice suit against you for no reason
May 25 01:47:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 25 01:47:51 <Tommy> errr
May 25 01:47:59 <Tommy> respiratory therapists still work with patients, you could still sue me :P
May 25 01:48:10 <PatrickC> hahaha
May 25 01:48:23 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, say you groped me or something
May 25 01:48:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it could get really slanderous
May 25 01:48:33 * halfhalo saw everything
May 25 01:48:42 <Tommy> lol
May 25 01:49:07 <PatrickC> halfhalo sees all
May 25 01:49:24 * ajay is amazed by the productivity..
May 25 01:49:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> if you become an anesthesiologist I could take it further and be like "OMFG HE DRUGGED ME YOUR HONOR"
May 25 01:51:49 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: and i'll provide him with a list of everything i drugged you with
May 25 01:51:59 <Tommy> and he will dismiss your frivolous lawsuit
May 25 01:53:03 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I meant on top of the sexual assault charges, but yeah
May 25 01:53:15 <IGNTNUNLMTD> there's no telling what things my sick little mind could come up with
May 25 01:53:22 <Tommy> lol
May 25 01:53:26 <IGNTNUNLMTD> so watch yo'self
May 25 01:53:27 * ajay just got a msg over freecycle, "WANTED: Touchpad for Jennair Range".. I don't get it..
May 25 01:53:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> :P
May 25 01:54:30 <ajay> as much as i love aggressive males' posturing (not), i think i'd rather eat..
May 25 01:54:46 <ajay> hey who was around when we did that speed test.. did we decide that 2.4 MB/s was faster or slower than wifi?
May 25 01:55:23 <PatrickC> depends on your wifi
May 25 01:55:30 <PatrickC> that's about what mine is on my pre2 over wifi
May 25 01:55:31 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 2.4 MB/s should be WAY slower than Wifi in this day and age, no question
May 25 01:55:56 * PatrickC has 3MB/s dl at his PC :'(
May 25 01:56:22 <Tommy> Mbps you mean?
May 25 01:56:26 <Tommy> 3MB/s = 24Mbps
May 25 01:56:45 <PatrickC> Mbps... yes
May 25 01:56:51 <Tommy> i get like 43 down, 38 up
May 25 01:56:53 <Tommy> win.
May 25 01:57:10 <PatrickC> I got 3Mbps down and like 300kbps up :'(
May 25 01:57:16 <Tommy> lol
May 25 01:57:30 <PatrickC> I also live in the middle of nowhere :P
May 25 01:57:43 <Tommy> true that
May 25 01:58:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> 115 down, 85 up... at school, not home :(
May 25 01:58:24 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: to ur pre, not a speedtest
May 25 01:58:29 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh
May 25 01:58:30 <IGNTNUNLMTD> lol
May 25 01:58:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> one sec
May 25 01:58:39 <ajay> Writing
May 25 01:58:45 <Tommy> oh, my pre gets 0 down, 0 up
May 25 01:58:49 <Tommy> stupid friggin phone
May 25 01:58:58 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what were you using to test ajay?
May 25 01:59:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> just speedtest.net?
May 25 01:59:15 <PatrickC> Tommy: haha
May 25 01:59:23 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: just copying files to the device, i'm wondering whether usb is faster or slower (or same as) wifi
May 25 01:59:33 <IGNTNUNLMTD> oh USB?
May 25 01:59:35 <Tommy> PatrickC: i'm actually buying a pre plus tomorrow
May 25 01:59:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> dunno
May 25 01:59:37 <Tommy> but it's not for me
May 25 01:59:45 <Tommy> i have a canuckian friend who wants it
May 25 01:59:49 <ajay> Tommy: I'll sell you one! :)
May 25 01:59:52 <IGNTNUNLMTD> USB seems pretty slow frankly
May 25 02:00:00 <Tommy> ajay: free?
May 25 02:00:04 <Tommy> :P
May 25 02:00:07 <IGNTNUNLMTD> when copying music and stuff
May 25 02:00:08 <Tommy> this one is brand new in box, and $100
May 25 02:00:19 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: patrickC said that he gets about the same over wifi as i get over usb..
May 25 02:00:29 <ajay> PatrickC: didn't ur guys tests show the pre2 faster?
May 25 02:00:34 <PatrickC> ajay: I don't transfer over usb
May 25 02:00:40 <ajay> oh
May 25 02:00:44 <PatrickC> my guys? lol
May 25 02:00:53 <PatrickC> s/usb/wifi/
May 25 02:00:54 <PatrickC> sorry
May 25 02:00:56 <ajay> maybe it wasn't you.. i forget who was benchmarking weeks ago..
May 25 02:01:09 <ajay> PatrickC: ah, ok/gotcha..
May 25 02:01:14 <PatrickC> my site didn't do any benchmark tests
May 25 02:02:36 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Pre2 over wifi = 3.94/3.05
May 25 02:03:34 <ajay> IGNTNUNLMTD: hm, so marginally faster.. both involve trouble to use for me (my wifi router is downstairs, so either way my phone'd be inaccessible to me.. :)
May 25 02:03:55 <IGNTNUNLMTD> what are you trying to transfer?
May 25 02:04:24 <ajay> just restoring my files (to the pre2 from the backups i made from the pre+)
May 25 02:04:51 <ajay> damn.. drPodder is 5GB.. that seems.. large :)
May 25 02:05:01 <PatrickC> then delete it :)
May 25 02:05:30 <ajay> i just don't know how my podcasts went so overboard, must have extra video podcasts that it hasn't auto-deleted.. ;^)
May 25 02:05:46 <PatrickC> lol
May 25 02:06:55 * PatrickC is homesick.. wants to go back to FL :'(
May 25 02:14:10 <ajay> damn been downloadin a bunch of promo coded apps w/ my temp profile, now back on my own profile, wish i could give myself some promo codes.. ;^)
May 25 02:14:24 <ajay> s/give/gift/
May 25 02:16:00 <ajay> paz..
May 25 02:16:23 * IGNTNUNLMTD can't wait for in-app purchases to be enabled
May 25 02:16:34 <PatrickC> why?
May 25 02:19:28 <IGNTNUNLMTD> app for my site will use it for a specific and unique thing
May 25 02:19:30 <Tommy> oh, in-app purchases? yeah, those are cool on inferior operating systems that already have them
May 25 02:19:40 <Tommy> ;) <3
May 25 02:30:44 <PatrickC> dawm__: you here?
May 25 02:36:09 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tommy: no, they're terrible for how most devs use them, but I have a legitimate need for them that doesn't involve raping my userbase
May 25 02:36:16 <Tommy> lol
May 25 02:36:27 <PatrickC> haha
May 25 02:36:42 * PatrickC has no use for them atm
May 25 02:36:46 <Tommy> i like some implementations
May 25 02:37:16 <Tommy> there's a really fun game on android market that lets you buy extra levels in-app, most games you'd need to go back to android market to download a map pack, it's the same deal but slightly more convenient
May 25 02:37:49 <Tommy> in-app purchases is nothing i'd go crazy over, but simple enough to implement that it should be a feature for devs to take advantage of
May 25 02:38:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> yeah, we're using it for some IRL integration ;)
May 25 02:38:56 <Tommy> that's... odd
May 25 02:39:15 * PatrickC yells "Almost Home!!!!!!!!!"
May 25 02:39:19 <Tommy> lol
May 25 02:43:34 <PatrickC> 3 miles away!!
May 25 02:47:04 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tommy: odd but new. no one's ever done anything cool by just copying what's already been done.
May 25 02:47:27 <Tommy> IGNTNUNLMTD: well, i'd say i'm looking forward to it, but since i don't have a webOS handset, i'm looking forward to imitations of it :D
May 25 02:47:43 <IGNTNUNLMTD> we'll be launching on all three platforms
May 25 02:47:46 <IGNTNUNLMTD> maybe 4
May 25 02:47:51 <Tommy> oh awesome
May 25 02:47:54 <Tommy> what's the app called?
May 25 02:48:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> it will be an app for our site
May 25 02:48:11 <IGNTNUNLMTD> which is not yet finished
May 25 02:48:13 <Tommy> what's your site
May 25 02:48:20 <Tommy> i just wanna know to look out for it on android market :)
May 25 02:48:25 <IGNTNUNLMTD> http://whipsig.com/
May 25 02:48:28 <Tommy> mmkay
May 25 02:50:30 <rwhitby> this one? http://www.facebook.com/pages/WhipSig/168639353187839
May 25 02:50:44 <IGNTNUNLMTD> that one indeed
May 25 02:51:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> we haven't launched or sent out beta invites yet
May 25 02:53:32 <IGNTNUNLMTD> rwhitby: you a car guy?
May 25 02:53:44 <rwhitby> nope. drive one, don't care much past that.
May 25 02:54:02 <IGNTNUNLMTD> ah, fair enough
May 25 02:54:54 <rwhitby> well, I care enough to choose a good one to buy (Subaru Liberty RX 2.5 manual), but that's about it.
May 25 02:55:27 <IGNTNUNLMTD> very good choice
May 25 02:55:42 <IGNTNUNLMTD> I wish "don't care much past that" people in this country were more like that
May 25 02:55:49 <IGNTNUNLMTD> nobody drives manuals here
May 25 02:55:53 <IGNTNUNLMTD> except enthusiasts
May 25 02:56:08 <halfhalo> real men have one gear.
May 25 02:56:17 <Tommy> ...lol?
May 25 02:56:29 <halfhalo> reverse!
May 25 02:56:44 <Tommy> halfhalo: are you french, by any chance?
May 25 02:57:20 <halfhalo> sure, why not
May 25 02:57:29 <Tommy> i think you missed the joke
May 25 02:57:34 * halfhalo is having issues with the canvas and circles.  Why is this so complicated
May 25 02:57:34 <Tommy> why do french tanks have a forward gear?
May 25 02:57:39 <Tommy> ....in case they get attacked from behind
May 25 02:58:08 <IGNTNUNLMTD> Tommy:  I was thinking the same thing re: the french + reverse
May 25 02:58:14 <Tommy> :D
May 25 02:58:29 <Tommy> see, no matter if we like android or not, we can always agree that the french are cowards.
May 25 02:58:37 <halfhalo> Ok, I give up on this for now,  food time.
May 25 02:59:13 <IGNTNUNLMTD> indeed.
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